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@DutchDread Which is why the educational system has been putting a wedge between students and their parents. "Don't tell your parents what we've been talking about" is what they tell the kids. By the time the parents find out about it, the child is already prepared for anything the parent might tell them.
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@crucifiedthief Her parents were blackmailed into going along with it. They were told that if she wasn't allowed to go through with the transition, she'd likely commit suicide. "Better to lose a daughter to transition than a child to suicide" That's what they were told. The parents were terrified into going along with it even though they had strong doubts. There's nothing worse than losing a child and it's the number one fear that all good parents live with.
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@solveigvan808 Any doctor that performs that kind of procedure is DEFINITELY part of the problem. "I was only following orders" was deemed an illegitimate defence at Nuremberg. That doesn't absolve those at the top but it surely doesn't let the ones that are wielding the scalpels innocent, either. Every person, that's supposed to be a medical professional, is responsible for their own actions in these issues. Even turning a blind eye makes one ethically responsible even if it's a grey legal area.
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@dlpoe11 When I was growing up it was true to a certain extent. However, ideology has gotten hold of the medical establishment. I was from a small town and the police weren't as corrupt as they were in the big cities. Attitudes have changed and the new ideology can be extremely destructive.
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@solveigvan808 First, Chloe was a teenager. She wasn't old enough to understand what was really going on. Then, the medical establishment ganged up on her parents and scared the bejesus out of them by showing them all these statistics about trans kids committing suicide because they didn't get the support that they needed from their parents. They're ordinary people. They depend on the expertise of those who have saved the lives of countless people over the years. They were told that it wasn't safe but necessary to SAVE the life of their little girl and then they trot out those who had gone through it and seemed to be quite happy that they did it. Even Chloe admitted that there was a honeymoon period after surgery but it didn't take long for the shine to wear off. This is something brand new. Ten years ago, no teenager was getting this type of surgery. Now, it's on the mainstream news and they're telling you that it's safe and you're a bigot if you hold your child back. They'll take your kid away if you fight too hard. Custody battles are being fought over it and the parent that's against this surgery can lose all parental rights. There's no one available to support you if you push back. You're treated like some kind of Nazi if you even have doubts on it. It's all a scam and they fell for it. Now, you want them to suffer the consequences and those greedy SOBs will continue on, KNOWING that there's nothing that anyone can do because....."choices have consequences." You're taking every weapon available away from those kids and their parents to fight back after they've been taken in so badly. Those quacks have to be stopped but you don't want to do a thing about it. I have to even question your motives.
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@billbombshiggy9254 I don't see your original comment either. Apparently, we're both doing something right.
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@lookupverazhou8599 I'm living in Canada, right now. Trudeau can talk to me all he likes. He's not going to like what I have to say, though. I doubt that he will talk to me. He'll call me a white supremacist and that'll be his rationale for not having to engage in difficult conversations.
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@mr_geekchic2899 I'm not sure what it is you're saying. Should Chloe sue the medical professionals for not giving full medical disclosure or not? I'm not sure what to make of your comment.
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@sherilynstarzko8116 The "she's a liar" defence. Always a good one. That's why there will be a trial. That's how we determine what is true and NOT true. We don't assume anyone is a liar. We listen to their story, gather and examine the evidence and come to a conclusion. I will say one thing, though. They amputation of perfectly healthy body parts should never happen. Our bodies perform and grow according to the plan that its genetics have laid out. Perform surgeries on it, the body will treat it as threat, even if that surgery involves the removal of a cancerous growth. It will do its best to heal it. You can't amputate away emotional issues, however. Those issues will still remain. This could be why suicide rates are just as bad AFTER surgery as it is before. They're not treating the problem. It's all cosmetics.
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Jordan Peterson has a long interview with Chloe Cole. If you can watch that and not be furious with the medical establishment then you're as heartless as they come.
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@solveigvan808 In 2015, if I'd have told you that, by 2022, there would be members of Congress who were going to claim that men could get pregnant, you'd have told me that I'm nuts. That our president would even name a trans person to his cabinet. That men would claim to be women and insist on going to women's prisons and be allowed into women's sports. That's how quickly this nonsense took over. There was no such thing as affirmative gender care back then. We didn't even know that these TikTok teachers existed. Remember, this started for Chloe in 2017. Her parents didn't know any of this and the most trusted people in society, our doctors, were telling them that this was SO serious that if the medical establishment did nothing, Chloe would die. They're just ordinary people....probably not even that bright. They believed those doctors....actually BELIEVED them. If a doctor tells you that you have cancer and that you need surgery, you believe them. We ALL know people that have died of cancer so we know how dangerous cancer can be. These doctors told them that their little girl was going to die because of this condition that was "rare" and it was back then. That terrified her parents. Her parents weren't going to ask YOU, some random guy on the internet, what YOU thought. They had nowhere to turn. The doctors lied to them and they believed them. For that alone, those doctors should pay. They took a confused little girl, convinced her parents that their little girl was going to commit suicide and it would be THEIR fault and then made a fortune off it. Remember, even though it's foolish for people to fall for the Nigerian Prince scam, that doesn't absolve those crook of their guilt. If her parents can show that they didn't know or understand what was happening and that this wasn't something that they wanted or pushed for, then they were being foolish and didn't act out of malice. Foolish mistakes shouldn't be punished through the courts. Malicious intent however, should be and this was as malicious as it comes by the medical establishment. They made money off of it and lots of it.
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@TibiaOTarena That's where you're mistaken. Little boys are being allowed to take testosterone, as well. A doctor won't get charged for doing to a teenage boy to what they're doing to teenage girls, except the boys don't take testosterone. They'll take estrogen and puberty blockers to prevent them from going through the puberty that will take them into manhood. This isn't about boys and girls. It's about erasing gender so there's no distinction between the sexes. Right now they claim that there are over 100 genders and the list is growing. Eventually, there'll be so many genders that it'll be impossible to keep track of them all and all the pronouns necessary to speak in any rational way. That's where they want us. They want us in a place where there are no definitions and no way to describe ourselves or our ideas. That's when they'll have their own "Newspeak".
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@TibiaOTarena They don't get testosterone for body image issues because it can be dangerous. Too much testosterone can be cause severe health issues. The same goes for estrogen. That's the irony of it all. A pubescent girl is starting to receive, naturally, increased levels of estrogen. That's a part of life for women. However, now they're being given testosterone as well as blockers to prevent the increased levels of estrogen. However, their genetic makeup still wants to do what it's programmed to do. That's why it becomes a life long cycle. They have to take drugs for the rest of their lives, because their bodies will try to repair what it believes is damage. The same thing happens to pubescent boys except in the opposite manner. Estrogen therapy can help some menopausal women but only under specific circumstances and it's not for all women. Men and women are different and because of the differences, react differently to hormonal actions. However, pubescent boys are encouraged to act on their doubts and emotional urges just like girls are. It's just that girls seem to be more susceptible to certain social contagions than boys are and boys have their own range of social contagions. In the future, this time in history will be seen as a weird aberration, sort of like the Satanic cult beliefs of the late eighties.
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@eugeniaskelley5194 I believe that it's ideological. There's a new brand of Marxism that infected the educational system over the years and the results of that are now manifested throughout society. Communism has attempted to bring about an androgynous society before, like China did when Mao was the leader. It's an attempt to blur the lines of individuality and the meanings of words. George Orwell's 1984 talked about this. There's an attempt also to erase the idea of objective truth. 2 plus 2 can equal 5 or in this case, men CAN get pregnant. Voltaire once wrote. "Those who can get you to believe in absurdities can also get you to commit atrocities". There is no idea more absurd than men can get pregnant.
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@eugeniaskelley5194 I have to add that another thing that Communists have tried to do is destroy the family structure. They want full control and to do that, they start when you're very young. That's why the big emphasis, by some teachers, on the Pride, Drag Queen story time and teaching children that they can be a girl or boy or however they feel. A person without conviction is malleable. This is a part of a socialist takeover. It has to be resisted or our future is in terrible jeapardy.
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@billbombshiggy9254 I have to add one word to that sentence. "You'd be a fucked up mutilated adult woman". You have sensible parents. I'm glad it all worked out for you.
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