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The question is this. Did that Manifesto influence Mangione to the point that he committed murder due to that influence? Also, were these ideas central to this group or was it just a matter of interest? That's not horrible. I read Marx, Engels, Marcuse and Gentile. I read it out of interest in the socialist mindset as intriguing ideas. I find those ideas dangerous and destructive. Others read it because it's something that they fully believe in and admire. If I ever commit a serious crime, it would be quite appropriate to go through my reading material to see if it's consistent with the reason why I committed that crime. Nothing unusual about that.
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There have been suggestions that he was angry about a loss in sexual function. This question might clear up the rumours around that. When the roommate said that he didn't want to comment on that out of respect for his privacy, Waters, quite graciously, said that he understood and left it at that. His lack of sexual function might well be what drove this man to commit murder. I don't think that it was inappropriate to ask if that was the case. It WOULD have been inappropriate if Waters pushed the issue but he didn't. I think Waters and the roommate handled it quite well.
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@jcthomas3408 I read Hitler's "Mein Kampf" It was rambling and off the rails as well but it was interesting to dig into Hitler's mindset. It told me that the guy was nuts. What was interesting is that these guys lived in a commune. Did they read that Manifesto because they all had similar viewpoints on modern society? Or did they read it out of curiosity? That I would find interesting to know.
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He asked about the commune and they talked about the book club. The Unibomber's Manifesto appears to be a text which influenced Mangione quite a bit. To talk about it doesn't seem like an agenda. It seems like a natural topic of discussion. The same thing applies to Mangione's health, specifically his back problems. It's been suggested that those back problems affected his sexual functions and that caused a great deal of anger. It's something that I would ask about just like talking about the Manifesto. It was a part of the news for a few days now. I'd like to know why exactly this was such a bad interview. Your comment is rather vague on this.
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@rustinstardust2094 It is also possible that the Unibomber Manifesto did influence Mangione's decision to commit murder. Either way, it is interesting and opens up possibilities either way. Since his own Manifesto reflects the Unibomber's Manifesto, it's a legit question and the roommates response is rather rather surprising and eyebrow raising. It begs the question that if it didn't influence him, what did? Also, we have no idea whether the roommate would or did lie for Mangione. There's good reason to be doubtful of the roommate's intentions or agenda. We just don't know.
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@kpm7727 I care what his motives are. I want to know if the ideas that drove the motive are shared by others and is he a part of a group or did he act alone. Remember, he was part of a commune. A motive can uncover things that could help us to prevent similar crimes.
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@BeeBlot If that was the only evidence, you'd be correct. However, they found fingerprints, a manifest, a gun and a notebook outlining plans to commit a crime similar to this one. In his Manifesto, he even referenced UnitedHealthcare, although it said nothing about Thompson, the man that he allegedly killed. Put all that together, that's enough reason to hold him.
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