Comments by "Jack Haveman" (@JackHaveman52) on "Think You Can Be an Adult Without This? Wrong! (Pt. 1) | Jordan Peterson | POLITICS | Rubin Report" video.

@aorg9793 They ignore their children. They continuously fight with their spouse. The cupboards and fridge are devoid of nutritious food. They can't hold down a job. They have no sense of responsibility or don't aspire to live a life with high standards of ethics and integrity. They live narcissistic lives, placing their own wants (not needs) ahead of their family requirements. These are all great indicators of a lack of maturity and the entire family structure suffers because of it. All you need is one parent who isn't interested in living a life of being the best person possible and it drags everyone within the family into uncertainty and chaos. Is that a good enough explanation for you?
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@aorg9793 Sometimes the love that a child brings to your life forces you to act in a way that see the child needs must take priority. When that call to sacrifice is answered, you can't help but to act in a more mature manner. If you think it important to be at home with your kids than to out satisfying your personal whims, that's when mature responsibility really starts to shine. That love brings out the best in you. If you're incapable of that love, you'll continue to act in your own self interests, first and that's a narcissistic way to live a life. "Me first" is usually quite damaging to any society.
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What? Hows that hypocritical? He's saying "Don't abort. You can adopt. I'll do my part to raise the unwanted and unloved by adopting them".
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"Those usually are bad parents" I'd say that they're usually bad people. They just don't care enough to up their game in order to care for their children. Good people don't behave that way.
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I don't believe in a higher power, yet I'm convinced that religious beliefs were essential to human evolution. It was the narrative that gave us a set of values that mitigated our need to act in a selfish manner. There's a reason that religious beliefs have been present in every corner of the earth, in every society, throughout our history, so your dismissal of the importance of religion is poorly thought out. Also, your argument, that it's a sign of responsible behaviour, to not have children today, doesn't wash, either. Those conditions are relatively new. The need to act in a mature manner towards our family and offspring have been essential for millions of years of our history. It lies at the core of our being and survival. To turn that psychological imperative off goes against who we are and the inability to bear children has been fraught with depression and other mental issues. "What abouts" doesn't lend credence to anything that you've said. It's used to avoid the discussion and then lead you to claim that YOU know the better way. I find your comment to be condescending and somewhat illogical. Even your name "AtheistVegan and then You should be too" strongly implies that you've got it all figured out. Using the exception to negate the trend or the imperative of procreation doesn't lend to a very strong case.
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@antitheistvegan But we were discussing the people that equate having pets to having children. You gave a very snide response to the person that thought that this was an unacceptable comparison and I called you out on it. I didn't like the snide remark and told you why I agreed with his comment.
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@antitheistvegan I grew up on a farm and we made sure that all the animals were fed and properly cared for before we sat down to eat or went to bed. My parents insisted on it.. However, there's was no doubt that they kids came first. ALWAYS. If the dog starting biting the kids, that dog would be disposed of, immediately no matter how beloved it was. The kids come first. So to say that your pets ARE your kids, denies that kids should be the priority. That you'd even take issue with that statement is astounding.
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@Stonezster YOU can't see. Fortunately, it's not up to you. It's up to Dave. You're condemning him for things that he hasn't even done yet. Why not wait to see how it works out? To judge others is considered to others is the sin of pride. To judge on things that haven't even happened is the height of arrogance.
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@Stonezster Got nothing left so you mock me. Maybe it's good for a "lol" (I don't) but it does nothing for your claim. So.....go ahead and congratulate yourself for your self awarded win. It's really nothing to be proud of.
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@Stonezster "Are you trying to impress a GF or something, lol..." Strong implication that I'm a fake and would lie to further an agenda. I'd call that mocking and insulting and quite narcissistic. It's also gaslighting to the nth degree.
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@antitheistvegan You're dismissal of tens of thousands of years of human history is intellectually lazy. I know that because you refuse to even discuss what I've said except to be, once more, smug and condescending.
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It's why I'm grateful that I had my children when I was young and my spouse has stated that she feels the same. We both still had lots of time, after our children were grown, to explore career opportunities and find success that way. As a matter of fact, when you approach child raising with responsibility and integrity, you'll already be setting the foundations for economic stability. We both went to college after our kids were grown and we came out debt free. Also, we had built the maturity to concentrate on our studies in a more positive manner than if we had gone after high school. We didn't go to college to party and our expectations were more grounded in reality. It also meant that we still had energy levels to deal with our grandchildren, which added to our relationships with them. However, life comes as it comes and it doesn't take away from your experience of is even a criticism of it. My mother had my youngest brother at 45 years of age. It was unexpected and my brother was 8 months younger than my son, but he's a great guy and my parents would not have had it any other way.
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@antitheistvegan If you would place the importance of a cat on par with your child, I would find you annoying....and I like pineapple on my pizza. The child ALWAYS comes first and it shouldn't even be a part of a discussion. There is no mammal in which at least one parent would sacrifice their own life and safety to protect their offspring. It's what we are as a species and as a part of a class of species.
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How could he say that. It's still too new a phenomenon to even know whether it has negative effects on their children. It might well be better to have a mother and father but there's still value in having 2 adults who care for their children, no matter the gender of the parents. Life isn't perfect and you do the best with what you have.
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@Stonezster A lot of children go through life never being adopted and go from one foster home to another and have to deal with the mental anguish that goes along with that. At least the adopted child won't have to deal with that system and will be in a home where he/she can be cared for. Also, like I said, this is a relatively new phenomenon so we don't know what the negatives would be. I'd say that the mother/father family is the best scenario but that's not the only way. We do the best with what we have, under the circumstances. Too many children grow up in terrible circumstance, much worse than what Dave Rubin has to offer.
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