Comments by "Jack Haveman" (@JackHaveman52) on "Correcting the Myths of Slavery, 1619 & the Founding (Pt. 1) | Glenn Beck | POLITICS | Rubin Report" video.

@shanecorning5222 I'm Canadian and we celebrate Thanksgiving. It's about being grateful for what we have, the opportunity to be free and to better our lives. It's giving thanks for the harvest and for the people in our lives that matter to us. That's what it means to me. I WILL celebrate Thanksgiving. I will NOT allow politics to stop me from feeling gratitude for my life, on Thanksgiving or another day of my life.
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@shanecorning5222 Now you're just spouting talking points. They just didn't come in and start killing and raping. That would have been impossible as they were vastly outnumbered. What did happen was that tribes made alliances with the Europeans to help them in their wars with each other. For example, Cortez would never have defeated the Aztecs if it hadn't been for the help of their Tlaxcaltec allies. Many tribes hated the Aztec because they were the local powerhouse. It's the same in North America. Champlain encountered the Huron and upon seeing the French weapons, the Huron thought that they should try them out on their arch enemies, the Iroquois. This set the tone for the history of North East America for 150 years. Also, the blanket thing is also a myth. There is only one verifiable time that it was used and that was at Fort Pitt, now Pittsburgh and they're not even sure if it worked or not as there was a smallpox outbreak already among the local settlers. If smallpox was already there, Natives could have gotten it from the settlers NOT from the blankets. These are just points of contention that modern day identity politics play. It's not just with the natives either. Everything is about finding grievance and being offended. I have a good friend, who is native and he was taken, as a 6 year old, an placed in a government school. However, his family lived in a remote area and they were living in extreme poverty. As bad as this practise seemed, he may not have survived had they not taken him out of the area due to the changing environment. He also told me that his great great grandparents were cannibals and not too well liked by the other tribes in the area. You see, the natives are people, just like us. No better and no worse. When you demonise a group of people, you engender hatred and that NEVER leads to anything good.
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Where, in this video, did anyone explain the upside of slavery? This is something that you've added, that was never even suggested here.
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@shanecorning5222 They have MORE, in many cases. There is Mohawk land about 30 miles from where I live and the natives there are quite prosperous. The things that the individual Mohawks have today, would boggle the minds of the Mohawks of 600 years ago. Now if you're talking about power, no. At least not the political power they had after they joined the Iroquois Confederation. Then they were the most powerful influence of this area. If that kind of power is important to you, then you're correct. However, times change, just as it has for all of us around the world. 600 years ago, my ancestors were living as peasants, in the Netherlands, subservient to the nobility that was the way of life in Europe, of that time. They couldn't move, take part in trade or do anything that we can now, as free people. Racial identity and its importance has changed. Now, we're more about nations as political units and we try to include all ethnicities as part of the nation state. That's life in the US and Canada, in spite of some of issues involved. A kid, growing up in squalor, can become a multi-millionaire overnight. It happens all the time. People become quite affluent through hard work and dedication and race isn't the determining factor. I've worked with Native construction workers, who have nice homes, drive big fancy trucks and have a good life. It's all relevant to where the native lives and what he/she wants in life.
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@shanecorning5222 The infamous "winners of history" meme. It's always the last resort when you have no evidence or argument. It's the guaranteed win, in the minds of those who don't want to do the real legwork to understand human history. That's what it is.....human history. Human history because we're ALL human and to understand who we are as a species you have to understand us all, not some self styled narrative designed to show off your idea of personal morality. Also, I object to your characterisation of the natives as "losers". It's condescending and self serving.
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How does studying history force one to criticise? I'm not following the logic. I study history to understand, NOT criticise.
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@tamarasauls8855 All of which may be true but what does any of that have to do with the topic he's now presenting? If Hitler says that 2 plus 2 equals 4, does that mean he's wrong because of all the terrible things he's done? Of course not. This video is about the founding fathers and how they tried to deal with slavery and with the tyranny of the crown. Beck has shown documents written by Jefferson that sheds light on it. Let's talk about that.
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@shanecorning5222 Now you're really starting to get "cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs". I suppose they're spraying us with chemtrails and that there are lizard people living in the centre of the earth, too. Put down the pipe, buddy.
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@shanecorning5222 LOL. A flat earther, too. You'll believe just about anything. LOL.
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@shanecorning5222 Speak English or at least in full and coherent sentences. Reading your comments is like talking on a cell phone and the signal keeps flashing in and out on me. It's a garbled mess.
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@shanecorning5222 Belief definition from the online dictionary: 1. an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists. 2. trust, faith, or confidence in someone or something. Now, quit being so damn cryptic and tell me what it is you're talking about. Quit the stupid games.
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@shanecorning5222 "without proof"? You added that on. It wasn't in the definition, at all. Not in the one that I cited. So...I went to Merriam/Webster. 1: a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing 2: something that is accepted, considered to be true, or held as an opinion : something believed 3: conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence Nowhere do I see "without proof". You're making that part up. You're still not saying what it is you're REALLY talking about. You're dancing around it. Quit pretending that you're so kind of mystic. Just get to the damn point.
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@shanecorning5222 According to you. You can't just make up your own definition because that's how you want it to be. There's a reason why we have dictionaries. It's so that EVERYONE knows what the hell you're talking about when you say something. How can anyone take someone seriously who just defines words the way that he wants them to be defined. That's nuts.
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@shanecorning5222 You're talking about faith, not belief. Once again...you've made your own definition. Faith is the belief in things not proved. One can have a belief in things that are proven. The Merriam-Webster dictionary defines it that way, as I showed you. Faith definition as to the online dictionary: 1. complete trust or confidence in someone or something. 2. strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof. Check number 2. Once again....this is a dumb exercise. What are you REALLY talking about. You have something in mind. Quit playing games.
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@shanecorning5222 My word gymnastics. I'm doing one thing. I'm asking you a question. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? Please....just tell me. WHAT IS YOUR DAMN POINT???? That's pretty direct. Quit telling me to define words and asking cryptic questions. Just tell me what the point is. God....it's like pulling teeth, trying to get you to do that.
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@shanecorning5222 The thing is, you're all over the place. Now you're trying to avoid telling me what you're talking about by telling me to reread the comment thread. Stop talking in riddles. Just lay it out in plain English. You've touched on all kinds of weird conspiracy stuff. Now it's something about the scientific method. GET TO THE POINT!!!!!
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@shanecorning5222 So, this discussion is about nothing. As for being a schoolboy, I'm 68 years old, raised 2 kids, have 3 grand children, have a college education, have read thousands of books and still read to this day. You're just a pompous fool, pretending to be wise and all knowing but refusing to have a discussion on what he claims he knows and understands. Talking to you has been a colossal waste of my time.
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I'm not sure what you mean by that. What is wrong with this video clip and what's did Rubin say or do that is so funny?
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A lot of anger, personal attacks and name calling but not a lot of substance. What, in this video, do you object to? Be specific. Don't start with the name calling. Actually discuss what this video is about and what was said.
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@tamarasauls8855 It still doesn't negate what this video is all about. You give the impression that you're invalidating the video by personally attacking Beck. Like I said, all you've said could be true, but what does that have to do with the video? Discuss the topic. Don't discredit one of the speakers and then leave it at that. It accomplishes nothing to understanding what was said in the video.
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@mikegleghorn5437 I've said this earlier, what you've said about these guys may well have merit, however that doesn't take away from what's being presented in the video. You can't, in any future discussion on what is being talked about, in the video, deride the letter, written by Jefferson, because you first heard about it from Glenn Beck. That letter still exists, with or without Beck, and you have to deal with it, as if Beck doesn't exist. A refusal to discuss it because of this one man, doesn't disprove or prove, what's being said. The only thing that does that is by using your intellect in a reasoned and logical manner. You're basically doing what an 8 year old does in a school yard. "You're stupid" might work at recess but not between supposedly intelligent adults.
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@tamarasauls8855 Thanks. I appreciate that you took the time to watch it. There are so many that lack that kind of integrity. That's a big "good on you".
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