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@tevarinvagabond1192 Here is another European who doesn’t know history, much less his own. The European cultures of antiquity were also no stranger to the ultimate religious expression of violence. The Greeks, Romans, Celts, and Germanic peoples all practiced ritual human sacrifice to a certain degree. In 216 BCE, after the Roman defeat to the Carthaginians at Cannae (believed to be the biggest defeat in the history of Rome), two Gauls and two Greek couples were buried under the Forum Boarium as a plea to the gods. The Romans did have traditions of ritual murder, which they did not consider human sacrifice. Hermaphroditic children were regularly drowned. Vestal virgins accused of being unchaste were buried alive in specially built chambers. Their chastity was thought to protect Rome, so even in times of peace, the unchaste virgins became victims of religious beliefs. The Romans also did not strictly consider gladiatorial combat to be religious sacrifice, despite the fact that death in the arena was believed to appease chthonic deities.
It seems the Romans practiced ritual sacrifice on many levels but suffered from an inability to see it the same way they saw ritual sacrifice in other cultures—a classic case of double standards. If you want me to move onto other ethnic Europeans.... just holla. 😉
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@beartheconfused6798 “So the Spanish won with ease.” Far from the claim you are making. I guess you never heard of the Sad night.... about "400 Spaniards, 4000 native allies and many horses [were killed] before reaching the mainland". also Muskets were unreliable due to it getting jammed a lot, aiming was not accurate and projectile didn’t go far, it was also slow to reload. Don’t forget when Ammo would get scarce and had to wait days, or even weeks to get more ammunition. Also Spaniards would swap their armour with Aztec armoury. MesoAmerica had iron works but they used Obsidian mostly and for a good reason.... Obsidian is a naturally-occurring glass, usually black and opaque. It's harder than steel. Since obsidian will fracture down to a single atom, it is claimed to have a cutting edge five hundred times sharper than the sharpest steel blade, and under a high magnification microscope an obsidian blade still appears smooth, whereas a steel blade has a saw like edge. was noted by the Spanish that the macuahuitl was so cleverly constructed that the blades could be neither pulled out nor broken. The macuahuitl was made with either a one-handed or two-handed grip, as well as in rectangular, ovoid, or pointed forms. Two-handed macuahuitl have been described as being "as tall as a man". The macuahuitl was sharp enough to decapitate a man. According to an account by Bernal Díaz del Castillo, one of Hernán Cortés’s conquistadors, it could even decapitate a horse.
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@jackmeoff9299 “The Romans were far more advanced and more civilised.” The Romans and Greeks are the most famous of the European civilizations of antiquity, and the reason for that is that they were more advanced than the rest of the European civilizations, at least in the majority of things. On the other side of the world, in Mesoamerica, the Maya existed much earlier than the Greeks and Romans, in the same period as these two, and outlived them. They have developed a civilization that was more advanced than the surrounding civilizations, and it was actually on about the same level of development as the Greeks and Romans.
If we take the accomplishments of the Maya on one side and the Greeks and Romans on another side, we will see that in most things they have about the same level of development, the Maya being more advanced in some aspects, while the Greeks and Romans in others, so they balance each other out. While at their peaks these civilizations seem to have reached about the same heights, it has to be mentioned that the Maya had a big portion of their achievements in a period where the Greeks and Romans were not existing as such, thus they developed certain things centuries and even millenniums earlier than their European counterparts.
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@pollypurree1834 The wheel can be seen on toys. Meanwhile.... Europeans didn’t invent the wheel. The wheel was invented in the 4th millennium BC in Lower Mesopotamia(modern-day Iraq). The oldest evidence of wheels in India, for example, dates from 4,500 years ago. The wheel did not reach Europe until 3,000 years ago. In the Old World, one of the last peoples to adopt the wheel were the Britons just 2,500 years ago. Like I told others before you... 6 cradles of civilisation and none trace back to Europe. Meanwhile Mexico and Peru are part of the cradle of civilisation club. Horses were reintroduced into the Americas. Archaeologists say horse domestication have begun in Kazakhstan about 5,500 years ago, about 1,000 years earlier than originally thought. Their findings also put horse domestication in Kazakhstan about 2,000 years earlier than that known to have existed in Europe. Fail.
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@Yarblocosifilitico Spanish soldiers used a harquebus, a sort of early musket. The harquebus was undeniably effective against any one opponent, but they are slow to load, heavy, and firing one is a complicated process involving the use of a wick which must be kept lit. See some contemporary native images they draw the conquerors as they saw them at the time of conquering. You’ll notice that guns and cannons are not depicted. They were useless in close encounters. It took too long to recharge them. Spanish soldiers often discarded their own, heavier plate armor, which was uncomfortable in the warmer, moist Mexican climate and prone to rust, in favor of indigenous armor which was lighter and comparatively maintenance-free. Ichcahuipilli were so effective at stopping arrows, darts, and even lead musket shot.
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@Yarblocosifilitico The question should be asked in reverse. What is there to support the idea that the Europeans would’ve developed complex technology without others considering gun powder/guns came from Asia. Handheld cannons weighing up to 15 kilos (33 lbs) - were used from the 14th century CE, introduced by Arab armies. Europeans were taken out of the Stone Age (Iron working was introduced to Europe in the late 11th century BC, from the Caucasus, and slowly spread northwards and westwards over the succeeding 500 years). I could go on. By the way you can’t invent electricity and electricity was experimented with among a lot of cultures and several cultures experimented with electricity long before Europeans, ie, A 2,200-year-old clay jar found near Baghdad, Iraq, has been described as the oldest known electric battery in existence. Since the discoveries have proved that the ancient Egyptians were able to really generate electricity. “Stay away from hospitals.” Laughing my ass off. The Moors founded modern hospitals in Spain, where they combined schools and libraries. 2600 BC: The oldest known prescriptions are recorded on Sumerian cuneiform clay tablets. The earliest documented general hospital was built in 805 in Baghdad, by the vizier to the caliph Harun al-Rashid. India has one of the world's oldest medical systems. It is known as Ayurvedic medicine (Ayurveda). The “father of medicine” of the west got his education in Egypt. Greeks visited Egypt as students to learn from Africans.
Plato studied in Egypt for 13 years.
Pythagoras studied Philosophy, Geometry and Medicine in Egypt for 22 years.
Thales, the first Greek philosopher studied in Egypt.
Hippocrates studied Medicine in Egypt for 7 years. Pythagoras studied Medicine in Egypt for 22 years.
"Pythagoras theorem" was used to build the pyramids in Egypt 1,000 years before Pythagoras was born.
Imhotep, an Egyptian Multi Genius was already the Father of Medicine 2,200 years before Hippocrates was born. The Moors’ scientific curiosity extended to flight and polymath. Ibn Firnas made the world’s first scientific attempt to fly in a controlled manner in 875 A.D. Historical archives suggest that his attempt worked, but his landing was somewhat less successful. Africans took to the skies some six centuries before the Italian Leonardo Da Vinci developed a hang glider. Like I told you previously... 6 cradles of civilisation and none trace back to Europe. When will you put that in your thick skull of yours?
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@bud389 Is that why Italy and Greece are part of 6 cradles of civilisation? Oh wait, they aren’t..... meanwhile Mexico is on the list. The Maya are not a single entity, a single community, or a single ethnic group. There are 21 different Mayan communities in Guatemala alone. The wheel was seen on toys, a wheel was useless considering the terrain. They also had alternative device that had the same functions of the wheel but Mayans chose to travel by boat more frequently. Europeans didn’t invent the wheel. The wheel was invented in the 4th millennium BC in Lower Mesopotamia(modern-day Iraq). The oldest evidence of wheels in India, for example, dates from 4,500 years ago. The wheel did not reach Europe until 3,000 years ago. In the Old World, one of the last peoples to adopt the wheel were the Britons just 2,500 years ago. Fail. It is always projection.
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Speaking of electricity.... you can’t invent electricity 😂. Plus multiple civilizations were experimenting with electricity. Baghdad Battery. A 2,200-year-old clay jar found near Baghdad, Iraq, has been described as the oldest known electric battery in existence. Relief carvings could also show that the Egyptians used hand-held torches powered by cable-free sources. Since the discoveries have proved that the ancient Egyptians were able to really generate electricity, ie, the pyramids. The rest of the technology wouldn’t exist without prior achievements before that.... ie, the number zero coming out of India/MesoAmerica as a great example. The computer you’re reading this article on right now runs on a binary — strings of zeros and ones. Without zero, modern electronics wouldn’t exist. Without zero, there’s no calculus, which means no modern engineering or automation. Without zero, much of our modern world literally falls apart.
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Cotton first cultivated as a fabric in the Indus River Valley (present-day Pakistan). The oldest known trousers, dating to the period between the thirteenth and the tenth centuries BC, were found at the Yanghai cemetery in Turpan, Sinkiang (Tocharia), in present-day western China. Gossypium barbadense, known as 'Pima' or 'Egyptian' cotton, was (despite its common name) domesticated in the Peruvian Andes between 4,000 and 5,000 years ago . When Columbus discovered America in 1492, he found cotton growing in the Bahama Islands. By 1500, cotton was known generally throughout the world. The crusaders, who continued their warfare for almost 200 years, brought back new fabrics, design motifs, and clothing styles that were adapted for European dress. * Mic drop.
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@Yarblocosifilitico “If you’re gonna count the disease thing as a genocide... that takes meaning out the word (a genocide is supposed to be intentional).” There is documentation of Europeans purposely spreading diseases. “Indians had laid siege to Fort Pitt and small pox broke out in the fort. The fort’s commander sent word of their situation to Colonel Bouquet. On July 13, 1763 Bouquet, who at that point was traveling across Pennsylvania with British reinforcements for Fort Pitt, responded to Amherst, commander of British forces in North America, promising that he would try to spread the disease to the Native Americans via contaminated blankets, “taking care however not to get the disease myself.” That tactic seemed to please Amherst, who wrote back in approval on July 16, urging him to spread smallpox “as well as try Every other method that can serve to Extirpate this Execreble [sic] Race.” Don’t forget ethnocide, ie, destruction of identities and cultures is also considered genocide.
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@Yarblocosifilitico Central to this strategy was the capture and burning of the ‘enemy’ town’s main temple - a symbolic act to show Aztec victory. However, as Manuel Aguilar-Moreno explains ‘burning the temples also meant that the local gods had been defeated, although their images were not necessarily destroyed. The Aztec often removed them, along with the local priests, to Tenochtitlan, where the gods were housed in the coateocalli temple in the Sacred Precinct.’ (Handbook..., p. 125). These stone and wooden statues were believed to contain cosmo-magical powers. This policy had a devastating impact on the conquered populace, since their gods had been ‘invested with the power over agricultural fertility’ (John Pohl, Aztec, Mixtec and Zapotec Armies). The Mexica, then, made a show of appropriating, and respecting, both local gods - many of which in any case they already worshipped in one form or another.
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@Yarblocosifilitico English language is influenced by many non-white cultures and not to mention that English is based off of Latin alphabet - which derives from the Phoenician alphabet as I stated previously. Technology wouldn’t exist without prior achievements, ie, the number zero coming out of India/MesoAmerica as a great example. Without zero there would be: No algebra, no arithmetic, no decimal, no accounts, no physical quantity to measure, no boundary between negative and positive numbers and most importantly- no computers! The computer you’re reading this article on right now runs on a binary — strings of zeros and ones. Without zero, modern electronics wouldn’t exist. Without zero, there’s no calculus, which means no modern engineering or automation. Without zero, much of our modern world literally falls apart.
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@Yarblocosifilitico Some gods were foreign and some weren’t, either you have to work on your English comprehension skills or your translator isn’t translating properly. Anyhow.... Europe has others to thank for brining them civilisation and also thank for the Silk Road. You don’t know who you are speaking on, uh? The people are of northern/east Asian descendants. The civilisation was isolated and still managed to surpass Europeans in many aspects. That’s that Asian genetics for you. No matter how good you are at something, there’s always an Asian kid better than you. Speaking of science.... The Aztec... were so expert in medicine compared to European physicians that reportedly the Spanish conquistadores preferred to seek help from them instead of barber-surgeons who accompanied the Spaniards to the New World. Even administrative officials, Roman Catholic priests, and even Spanish doctors expressed their admiration of the medical practices of the Aztecs.
’Aztec physicians understood the workings of the heart and circulatory system long before Europeans possessed such knowledge. They were familiar with the main details of the internal parts of the heart as well.. (Historians generally credit William Harvey, an Englishman who lived between 1578 and 1657, with putting forth the first theory describing the circulatory system.) The Aztec language, Nahuatl, even contained a word to describe the throbbing of the heart: tetecuicaliztli.
‘The Aztec not only developed sophisticated anatomical terminology but also classified the parts of the human body, organising them into systems. In this book Indian Givers: How the Indians of the Americas Transformed the World, anthropologist Jack Weatherford states: “The Nahuatl-speaking doctors developed an extensive vocabulary that identified virtually all of the organs that the science of anatomy recognises today.”’ South America's Inca civilization was better at skull surgery than Civil War doctors,
survival rate was a remarkable 80%, compared with just 50% during the American Civil War. Base your assumptions on that alone.
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@jackmeoff9299 Another ignorant European that doesn’t know history. 6 cradle of civilisation and none trace back to Europe. Meanwhile Mexico and Peru are on the list. 3000 B.C. - Cotton first cultivated as a fabric in the Indus River Valley (present-day Pakistan). The oldest known trousers, dating to the period between the thirteenth and the tenth centuries BC, were found at the Yanghai cemetery in Turpan, Sinkiang (Tocharia), in present-day western China. Gossypium barbadense, known as 'Pima' or 'Egyptian' cotton, was (despite its common name) domesticated in the Peruvian Andes between 4,000 and 5,000 years ago . When Columbus discovered America in 1492, he found cotton growing in the Bahama Islands. By 1500, cotton was known generally throughout the world. The crusaders, who continued their warfare for almost 200 years, brought back new fabrics, design motifs, and clothing styles that were adapted for European dress. * Mic drop. What were Europeans doing all throughout history? Holding hands, skipping through flowers like in a Disney movie? Pfft please.
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@tytlersbicycle “Cradles of ancient civilisation. The cradles of modern civilisation were Greece and later Rome.” Thanks for the laugh. Rome and Greece are copy cat cultures that got their culture from others, smart one. Greeks visited Egypt as students to learn from Africans.
Plato studied in Egypt for 13 years.
Pythagoras studied Philosophy, Geometry and Medicine in Egypt for 22 years.
Thales, the first Greek philosopher studied in Egypt.
Hippocrates studied Medicine in Egypt for 7 years. Pythagoras studied Medicine in Egypt for 22 years.
"Pythagoras theorem" was used to build the pyramids in Egypt 1,000 years before Pythagoras was born.
Imhotep, an Egyptian Multi Genius was already the Father of Medicine 2,200 years before Hippocrates was born. Here I can only quote the great 16th-century champion of Copernicus, Giordano Bruno, who wrote, ''We Greeks own Egypt, the grand monarchy of letters and nobility, to be the parent of our fables, metaphors and doctrines.'' Herodotus, the Greek Historian described Ancient Egypt as the Cradle of Civilisation.
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@tytlersbicycle Most of Europe were living in mud huts. Germanic people, Celts, and Slavs live in mud huts but Romans and Greeks did not. Even then... Greeks and Romans learned architecture and engineering from the "Middle Easterns(Phoenicians, Egyptians and Mesopotamians)", including the use of ornamental columns(and all derivatives like colonnade and portico), arches and vaults(and derivatives like arcades), relief sculpture, capital, cornice, Awning, Brise soleil(Mashrabiya), baluster, basilicas, mosaic etc. Even the materials they used were invented in Mesopotamia, such as bricks and tiles.
Every single detail you can imagine of Greek and Roman culture came from the Fertile Crescent, they are part of the same cultural sphere and share the same cradle (Sumer). I could go on.
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@rawrxd9156 When the delegates to the Constitutional Convention met in 1787 to debate what form of government the United States should have, there were no contemporary democracies in Europe from which they could draw inspiration. The most democratic forms of government that any of the convention members had personally encountered were those of Native American nations. The framework of government in the Iroquois Confederacy is said to have inspired Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin and other founders as they wrote the Constitution. The founders adopted the Iroquois nation's symbol, the bald eagle, as the new nation's national symbol. Findings put horse domestication in Kazakhstan about 2,000 years earlier than that known to have existed in Europe. The study also reveals that the horse spread throughout Asia at the same time as spoke-wheeled chariots and Indo-Iranian languages. However, the migrations of Indo-European populations, from the steppes to Europe during the third millennium BC4 could not have been based on the horse, as its domestication and diffusion came later. Researchers already knew that agriculture in Europe appeared in modern-day Turkey around 8,500 years ago, spreading to France by about 7,800 years ago and then to Britain, Ireland and Northern Europe approximately 6,000 years ago.
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@JAK1981 Mexicans are still worshiping their Gods and people like you don’t even know it, LMAO. look up on YouTube: 5 dioses prehispanicos que la iglesia cambio por viregenes, christos, y Santos and 7 dioses mexicas que fueron sustituidos por deidades españolas. That Rosa De Guadeloupe that Mexico holds so dear is based off of Coatlicue/Tonantzin. People like you just decide to be blind and be sheep’s 🐑.
Lots of Spanish words do in fact have native words, just like English and French - basically anyone that had contacted with native tribes had native influences on their languages. cashew, cougar, jaguar, macaw, piranha, caribou, chipmunk, moccasin, moose, muskeg, opossum, pecan, pemican, potlach, racoon, sequoia, squash, tamarack, teepee, toboggan, wampum, wanigan, wigwam. The list goes on.
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Example : Greeks visited Egypt as students to learn from Africans.
Plato studied in Egypt for 13 years.
Pythagoras studied Philosophy, Geometry and Medicine in Egypt for 22 years.
Thales, the first Greek philosopher studied in Egypt.
Hippocrates studied Medicine in Egypt for 7 years. Pythagoras studied Medicine in Egypt for 22 years.
"Pythagoras theorem" was used to build the pyramids in Egypt 1,000 years before Pythagoras was born.
Imhotep, an Egyptian Multi Genius was already the Father of Medicine 2,200 years before Hippocrates was born. Here I can only quote the great 16th-century champion of Copernicus, Giordano Bruno, who wrote, ''We Greeks own Egypt, the grand monarchy of letters and nobility, to be the parent of our fables, metaphors and doctrines.'' Herodotus, the Greek Historian described Ancient Egypt as the Cradle of Civilisation.
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@Durahan82 Though it did fall to the Umayyad. The Islamic new Lords even had 2 main garrison capitals inside it.
One in the traditional Asturica cisalpina of the Romans Empire province, in modern Leon. And the other in Gigo, modern Gijon in the central coast of the modern province of Asturias, a smaller portion of the former Asturica sub-province of Hispania. But the second most important garrison post lasted only for about a decade, before the first serious rebellion or attack came about around 721 from the nearby districts of Cantabria most dense Sierra peaks, all along still in charge of the last Gothic local dukes family, of which the local Pelayo was a relative. Impossible to locate or defeat in the mountains maze where they held control and were shielded from, the local Islamic powers at the coastal garrison found themselves were cut off (specially in winter due snowed high altitude Mountain passes) from their backing force in the Leon high plateau. In this one, as in the much northern walled town of Lugo over in the Galician neighbor province, the Islamic governors with their Berber troops will continue for another generation keeping surrounded and contained such small Christian independent county…. before revolting themselves against the Arab-Syrian elitist leadership in the rich provinces of the South, and abandoning these outposts where little of urban rich lives or farming happened. That would give the Asturias fringe realm over the mountains a breather, hopes for a future survival and remove the immediate threat to its existence right next door.
So, basically, because contrary to invading the Hispania, Gaul or Sicily and other islands of the Mediterranean, the Islamic raiders will not find wealth of relevance to live off as elite on top of the local Social ladder, too rudimentary and medieval to make its occupation worthwhile.
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@doingtime20 No actually... you are proving my point. Everyone in Mexico knows that Indio is used as an insult. You know it, even your momma, daddy and even your granny and poppa know it! You probably even heard some of your relatives say a self hating, anti-Indigenous comment. Am I wrong? You can close your eyes and cover your ears with your hands but eventually you will open up your soul. Mexican culture is mostly native/Asian... even Mexicans today are still worshiping their gods and most Mexicans don’t even know. Let me explain, Spaniards were known to turn MesoAmericans gods into saints, priest, virgins, etc. to confuse the native into adopting into Christianity. The Guadalupe that Mexico holds so dear is based on Tonantzin. Look up “7 dioses Mexicas que fueron sustituidos por deidades espanolas,” and “5 dioses prehispanicos que la Iglesia cambio por virgenes, cristos y Santos.” Everything we were taught was a lie. No one taught me anything, I had to pick up history books and even look up online for historical information for myself. I like to question things and look at the bigger pictures, not be a yes man and take in things without even questioning it.
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@doingtime20 Today, about 80 percent of Mexicans identify as Catholic (though Atheism is on the rise and Christianity is dying off), but many practice a unique version of Catholicism that includes pre-Hispanic traditions. According to the Pew Research Center, about half of Mexican Catholics report “medium” to “high” levels of engagement with indigenous beliefs and practices. For example, among Mexican Catholics, 45 percent believe in the evil eye, 45 percent believe in reincarnation, and39 percent believe in magic, sorcery, and witchcraft. Thirty-one percent believe it is possible to communicate with spirits.
Syncretism between indigenous religions and Catholicism is visible in many Mexican traditions. For example, the famous Day of the Dead holiday derives from the pre-Hispanic custom of venerating death and the dead, but modern altars typically include pictures of the Virgin Mary and rosaries. In the plaza outside the Metropolitan Cathedral, next to the remains of the Templo Mayor, you can find concheros (Aztec dancers) performing in their traditional dress and carrying conchas. Their dance, which evolved during colonization as a way to preserve and celebrate indigenous traditions, is intended to honor God and connect with the cosmos. Open your eyes, you were taught to reject everything native even though it is right in front of you.
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@jan.dafrique Human sacrifice in the ancient Iberian Peninsula is recorded in classical sources, which give it as a custom of Lusitanians and other Celtic peoples from the northern area of the peninsula. Its most complete mention comes from the work of Greek chronicler Strabo, in which those ceremonies have a divinatory utility. Recent evidence that Druids committed cannibalism and ritual human sacrifice perhaps on a massive scale add weight to ancient Roman accounts of Druidic savagery, archaeologists say. After a first century B.C. visit to Britain, the Romans came back with horrific stories about these high-ranking priests of the Celts, who had spread throughout much of Europe over a roughly 2,000-year period.
Julius Caesar, who led the first Roman landing in 55 B.C., said the native Celts "believe that the gods delight in the slaughter of prisoners and criminals, and when the supply of captives runs short, they sacrifice even the innocent." Recent gruesome finds appear to confirm the Romans' accounts, according to Secrets of the Druids, a new documentary airing Saturday on the U.S. National Geographic Channel. Dont throw stones in a glass house. Should I continue or save face?
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What a buffoon. tenochtitlan alone was bigger than anything in Europe and cleaner too. 6 cradles of civilisation and non trace back to Europe. Europe was given civilisation and not the other way around. Most of Europe were living in mud huts. Germanic people, Celts, and Slavs live in mud huts but Romans and Greeks did not. Even then... Greeks and Romans learned architecture and engineering from the "Middle Easterns(Phoenicians, Egyptians and Mesopotamians)", including the use of ornamental columns(and all derivatives like colonnade and portico), arches and vaults(and derivatives like arcades), relief sculpture, capital, cornice, Awning, Brise soleil(Mashrabiya), baluster, basilicas, mosaic etc. Even the materials they used were invented in Mesopotamia, such as bricks and tiles.
Every single detail you can imagine of Greek and Roman culture came from the Fertile Crescent, they are part of the same cultural sphere and share the same cradle (Sumer).
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Barbary captivity, while terrifying, and often brutal, was not analogous to African race chattel slavery for white captives. As historian David Eltis explains, “almost all peoples have been both slaves and slaveholders at some point in their histories.” Still, earlier coerced labor systems in the Atlantic World generally differed, in terms of scale, legal status, and racial definitions, from the trans-Atlantic chattel slavery system that developed and shaped New World societies from the sixteenth to the nineteenth centuries. As the trans-Atlantic slave trade with Europeans expanded from the sixteenth to nineteenth centuries, however, both non-slaveholding and slaveholding West and Central African societies experienced the pressures of greater demand for enslaved labor. In contrast to the chattel slavery that later developed in the New World, an enslaved person in West and Central Africa lived within a more flexible kinship group system. Anyone considered a slave in this region before the trans-Atlantic trade had a greater chance of becoming free within a lifetime; legal rights were generally not defined by racial categories; and an enslaved person was not always permanently separated from biological family networks or familiar home landscapes.
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Human sacrifice in the ancient Iberian Peninsula is recorded in classical sources, which give it as a custom of Lusitanians and other Celtic peoples from the northern area of the peninsula. Its most complete mention comes from the work of Greek chronicler Strabo, in which those ceremonies have a divinatory utility. Recent evidence that Druids committed cannibalism and ritual human sacrifice perhaps on a massive scale add weight to ancient Roman accounts of Druidic savagery, archaeologists say. After a first century B.C. visit to Britain, the Romans came back with horrific stories about these high-ranking priests of the Celts, who had spread throughout much of Europe over a roughly 2,000-year period.
Julius Caesar, who led the first Roman landing in 55 B.C., said the native Celts "believe that the gods delight in the slaughter of prisoners and criminals, and when the supply of captives runs short, they sacrifice even the innocent." Recent gruesome finds appear to confirm the Romans' accounts, according to Secrets of the Druids, a new documentary airing Saturday on the U.S. National Geographic Channel. Dont throw stones in a glass house.
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@Yarblocosifilitico ”Because left alone, those indigenous people would still be primitive societies.” Laughable, Mexico along with Peru are part of the 6 cradles of civilisation. Can’t say the same for any of the European nations. It was others who gave Europe civilisation and not other way around. Europe and its people couldn’t compare to MesoAmerica. Primitive were the Europeans who barely bathed or at all and cleaned their teeth/clothes with urine, when Europeans got lice.... they referred to them as “pearls of god,” it was also considered a status symbol among Europeans. Yck. Don’t project. “All those concepts of wealth, law, politics, science, human rights, etc, were introduced in SA by Europeans.” Spain is the most corrupt country inEurope, its no coincidence that culture is now prevalent in the Americas.... It was better controlled by MesoAmericans, before Spaniards showed up — Aztec society expected its rulers and nobility to be role models and stipulated stiffer penalties for them than for the general population if they violated the law. Wastefulness was not tolerated, particularly among the elite: children of nobility were sentenced to death if they were wasteful. This contrasts markedly with most contemporary societies, cough, Latin America and Spain, where high government officials and policymakers enjoy legal immunity from prosecution, and their children sometimes flaunt their wealth and privileges. Speaking of science.... Mayan Priests were so precise that their calendar correction is 10,000th of a day more exact than the standard calendar the world uses today. Of all the ancient calendar systems, the Maya and other Mesoamerican systems are the most complex and intricate. It wasn't just Greece: Archaeologists find early democratic societies in the Americas
Ordinary people had a voice in some early Mesoamerican societies.
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@jackmeoff9299 “Europeans have somewhat potty trained them.” Funny considering Europeans like the British would throw their bucket of feces out of the window. Romans would their toilet sponges with others. I’ll stop there to save face. Like I said previously... 6 cradles of civilisation and none trace back to Europe. Even the most advanced European civilisations derives from non white civilisations. Most of the European alphabet derives from the Greek and Roman alphabet and that alphabet derives from the Phoenicians. Greeks visited Egypt as students to learn from Africans.
Plato studied in Egypt for 13 years.
Pythagoras studied Philosophy, Geometry and Medicine in Egypt for 22 years.
Thales, the first Greek philosopher studied in Egypt.
Hippocrates studied Medicine in Egypt for 7 years. Pythagoras studied Medicine in Egypt for 22 years.
"Pythagoras theorem" was used to build the pyramids in Egypt 1,000 years before Pythagoras was born.
Imhotep, an Egyptian Multi Genius was already the Father of Medicine 2,200 years before Hippocrates was born. Here I can only quote the great 16th-century champion of Copernicus, Giordano Bruno, who wrote, ''We Greeks own Egypt, the grand monarchy of letters and nobility, to be the parent of our fables, metaphors and doctrines.'' Herodotus, the Greek Historian described Ancient Egypt as the Cradle of Civilisation. I could go on.
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@aaroncapricorn5867 Ah and I wouldn’t be bringing up IQ considering Asians beat you in your own western standardised testings. Also a couple of years after that news and more stories of black and other minority progress on GCSEs, GL Assessment, an independent testing organization, published results of their Cognitive Assessment Tests (CAT), indicating the performance of different ethnic groups. The CAT, though given to children at age 11, is highly correlated with GCSE results at age 16. The CAT results confirmed what the GCSEs had shown: that black Africans were catching up with British whites, and this sparked even more panic in the IQ-human biodiversity blogosphere. In fact, their performance seems to be at least as high as the “model minority” Chinese and Indians in the UK, as seen when some recent African immigrants are divided into languages spoken at home (which also indicates that these are not multigenerational descendants but children of recent immigrants).
Africans speaking Luganda and Krio did better than the Chinese students in 2011. The igbo were even more impressive given their much bigger numbers (and their consistently high performance over the years, gaining a 100 percent pass rate in 2009!). The superior Igbo achievement on GCSEs is not new and has been noted in studies that came before the recent media discovery of African performance. A 2007 report on “case study” model schools in Lambeth also included a rare disclosure of specified Igbo performance (recorded as Ibo in the table below) and it confirms that Igbos have been performing exceptionally well for a long time (5 + A*-C GCSEs); in fact, it is difficult to find a time when they ever performed below British whites. The Chinese and Indian levels of Free School Meals are even lower than the Ghanaian and Nigerian pupils when the Africa segment is broken down into nationalities.
I wonder though if westerners can do it in reverse and take the tests of others and come out performing better. 🤔
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@tytlersbicycle “tHE SpAnIsH BuIlT GaLlEoNs which could reach the farthest corners of the globe.” A number of peoples had ocean going boats that were used for trading, whaling and raiding. The Europeans “navigated the ocean” because they already knew where China was from overland trips and from Arab traders, and they wanted a shorter route. Before the quest for the huge profit margins from the spice trade no Europeans navigated the oceans except the Norse. They did just as Native Americans did and followed coastal routes. Crossing the Mediterranean is not crossing an ocean and Native Mayan peoples and people in the Caribbean and Florida did similar crossings. People on the west coast traveled in the ocean just as Europeans did. People on the west coast traveled in the ocean just as Europeans did. The rest of the tribes from Puget Sound to SE Alaska had ocean going large canoes for trading and raiding and travel. These people did raids from hundreds of miles away, not too different than the Norse. The Tlingit canoes were up to 70 feet long, similar in size to many Norse boats. The Taino had large boats that could hold up to 30 people. The Makah in Washington had whaling canoes for whaling at sea. The Nuu-Chah-Nulth, Ditidaht, Mowachat, Ahousaht, Tla-o-qui-aht, Ucluelet, Tseshaht, Quileute, Quinault, Kwakwaka’wakw, and Haida all also were whalers and had large oceangoing going boats to hunt the whales from. The maritime Maya have been described much like ancient seagoing Phoenicians. In Europe’s great Age of Exploration, Spain and Portugal were the leaders in global seafaring. It was the Moorish advances in navigational technology such as the astrolabe and sextant, as well as their improvements in cartography and shipbuilding, that paved the way for the Age of Exploration. Thus, the era of Western global dominance of the past half-millennium originated from the African Moorish sailors of the Iberian Peninsula during the 1300s. Sounds like you going to cope after this. You can go cry in your pillow now.
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@mermaidmarina2411 The word CASTE itself is a European word. So obviously the concept existed there. Earlier writing in England does show the term used with similar connotations. The term derives from the Portuguese ‘casta’ meaning ‘breed’ or ‘race’ or the Latin ‘castus’ meaning ‘cut off’ or ‘separated’.
Later, when the Europeans came to India they witnessed a highly organised, ancient network of social and occupational groupings called Jatis. To their alien and casual eyes it reminded them of the ‘casta’ in Europe and thus named it ‘caste.’ But essentially Jatis differ from the European view of castes. Jatis were a highly evolved, complex, vocational, social network of interlinked groups spread all over Bharatha. They then further muddied the waters by confusing the Chaturvarna concept (the Varnas - Brahmana, Kashatriya, Vysya and Shudra)) with the Jatis, or as they called it, Castes. But in actual fact Varnas are not Jatis.
There are socio-economic groups which are endogamous, hereditary and hierarchical, present in all societies of the world, bar none. Only the levels of rigidity or flexibility vary. Such groupings exist in all other nations in other names.
All nations of Europe had roughly the same triangle that is attributed to the 'Caste' system in India, only differing in minor areas. In fact, the rigidity and insularity and economic exploitation was equally, if not far higher. This was the reason for Marx and Communism which originated there. And the various revolutions across Europe that took place post medieval times. There was one more layer on the base of the European triangle in many nations which was 'Slaves.' (which was not found in India)
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@mariar.6741 “As for the Indigenous languages, isn’t it true that the Spanish were precisely the ones who made an effort to persevere them? They created the first grammar of Nahuatl in 1531.” MesoAmerica is part of the very few regions where writing developed independently, meanwhile nowhere in Europe can claim such thing. ➡️ When the Spaniards arrived to these lands, there was already rich literature... The Aztecs had a long literary tradition, with poetic works long before England had its Shakespeare or Spain its Cervantes. From the little that was saved from the destruction, we know of poets like Tlaltecatzin, Cuacuauhtzin, Nezahualpilli, Cacamatzin, and Nezahualcóyotl. This is a contrast when it came to the Moors and Spain ➡️ Education was universal in Muslim Spain, while in Christian Europe, 99 per cent of the population was illiterate, and even kings could neither read nor write. The Moors boasted a remarkably high literacy rate for a pre-modern society. During an era when Europe had only two universities, the Moors had seventeen.
The founders of Oxford University were inspired to form the institution after visiting universities in Spain. According to the United Nations’ Education body, the oldest university operating in the world today is the University of Al-Karaouine of Morocco founded during the height of the Moorish Empire in 859 A.D. by a woman named Fatima al-Fihri. Davidson, noted that during the eighth century.
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@RaspK the Assiniboine, Blackfeet, Crow, Sioux, Arapaho, Cheyenne, Kiowa, and Comanche. The average height of white men in the U.S. was about 5’6” in the mid-1800s, and European men were slightly shorter. However, Boas found that the height of the average Cheyenne was a whopping 5’10”; the Arapaho about 5’9”; the Crow 5’8-1/2”; Sioux 5’8” and the Blackfeet a fraction under the Sioux; the Kiowa were 5’7” and the Assiniboine a fraction under the Kiowa. The Comanche were the shortest; they had the same average height as white men: 5’6”. Most North American tribes had a diet high in protein, especially red meat, which provided iron, iodine and other vitamins and minerals for greater height, more dense, stronger and bigger bones, teeth durability, muscle mass, stronger immune systems, cognition, etc. Heights of 6’ and over were quite common among Native American males.
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Human sacrifice in the ancient Iberian Peninsula is recorded in classical sources, which give it as a custom of Lusitanians and other Celtic peoples from the northern area of the peninsula. Its most complete mention comes from the work of Greek chronicler Strabo, in which those ceremonies have a divinatory utility. Recent evidence that Druids committed cannibalism and ritual human sacrifice perhaps on a massive scale add weight to ancient Roman accounts of Druidic savagery, archaeologists say. After a first century B.C. visit to Britain, the Romans came back with horrific stories about these high-ranking priests of the Celts, who had spread throughout much of Europe over a roughly 2,000-year period.
Julius Caesar, who led the first Roman landing in 55 B.C., said the native Celts "believe that the gods delight in the slaughter of prisoners and criminals, and when the supply of captives runs short, they sacrifice even the innocent." Recent gruesome finds appear to confirm the Romans' accounts, according to Secrets of the Druids, a new documentary airing Saturday on the U.S. National Geographic Channel. Dont throw stones in a glass house.
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@Guy Ledouche It was golden age Middle East that took Europe out of the dark ages and into the future. Shows how little you know about history. Even way before that — Iron working was introduced to Europe. Iron working was introduced to Europe in the late 11th century BC, from the Caucasus, and slowly spread northwards and westwards over the succeeding 500 years. Europeans didn’t invent the wheel. The wheel was invented in the 4th millennium BC in Lower Mesopotamia(modern-day Iraq). The oldest evidence of wheels in India, for example, dates from 4,500 years ago. The wheel did not reach Europe until 3,000 years ago. In the Old World, one of the last peoples to adopt the wheel were the Britons just 2,500 years ago. As I said previously, most of Europe don’t even have a alphabet of their own. Most deprive from the Roman/Greek alphabet, even then the Latin alphabet deprives from the NON-EUROPEAN Phoenicians. Europeans were hunter gathers until Middle Easterners introduced farming.... Researchers already knew that agriculture in Europe appeared in modern-day Turkey around 8,500 years ago, spreading to France by about 7,800 years ago and then to Britain, Ireland and Northern Europe approximately 6,000 years ago. 6 cradles of civilisation and not one traces back to Europe. Europe was never the base of civilisation. You’re welcome again!
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@damiannightwalker8461 Amber eyes are most commonly found in peoples of Asian, Spanish, South American, and South African descent. There have been 16 genes identified that contribute to eye colour. This means that no matter what colour eyes your parents have, yours can be pretty much any colour. All races, including Caucasian, African, Asian, Pacific Islanders, Arabic, and the Indigenous Peoples of the Americas can have green eyes. One great example of an Indigenous tribe that had colourful hair and eyes is Cloud People of Peru. Hell, there were even native tribes that looked black. You watched to many Hollywood Cowboy Vs Indian movies...
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Greeks visited Egypt as students to learn from Africans.
Plato studied in Egypt for 13 years.
Pythagoras studied Philosophy, Geometry and Medicine in Egypt for 22 years.
Thales, the first Greek philosopher studied in Egypt.
Hippocrates studied Medicine in Egypt for 7 years. Pythagoras studied Medicine in Egypt for 22 years.
"Pythagoras theorem" was used to build the pyramids in Egypt 1,000 years before Pythagoras was born.
Imhotep, an Egyptian Multi Genius was already the Father of Medicine 2,200 years before Hippocrates was born. Here I can only quote the great 16th-century champion of Copernicus, Giordano Bruno, who wrote, ''We Greeks own Egypt, the grand monarchy of letters and nobility, to be the parent of our fables, metaphors and doctrines.'' Herodotus, the Greek Historian described Ancient Egypt as the Cradle of Civilisation.
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@yokaiou5848 “Cannibalism to avoid starving to death is not an institution. It’s a worldwide phenomenon.” Europeans eating people for medicinal purposes does sound like to avoid starvation. It sounds more institutional. Work on your English comprehension skills, lmao. By the 16th century, cannibalism was not just part of the mental furniture of Europeans; it was a common part of everyday medicine from Spain to England. Initially, little bits of pulverized mummies imported from Egypt were used in prescriptions against disease, but the practice soon expanded to include the flesh, skin, bone, blood, fat and urine of local cadavers, such as recently executed criminals and bodies dug up illegally from graveyards, says University of Durham’s Richard Sugg, who published a book in 2011 called Mummies, Cannibals and Vampires: The History of Corpse Medicine from the Renaissance to the Victorians.
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@stephenodubhlaoich “But I realise it’s a political issue, not an ethnic one.” You sure about that considering all of the anti-Scottish ethnic slurs that the British came up with? Here is a poem showing it is more of a ethnic problem, than a suppose political problem — poem written by James Michie and published in The Spectator, who was editor of the magazine at the time. The poem reads:
The Scotch – what a verminous race!
Canny, pushy, chippy, they're all over the place,
Battening off us with false bonhomie,
Polluting our stock, undermining our economy.
Down with sandy hair and knobbly knees!
Suppress the tartan dwarves and the Wee Frees!
Ban the kilt, the skean-dhu and the sporran
As provocatively, offensively foreign!
It's time Hadrian’s Wall was refortified
To pen them in a ghetto on the other side.
I would go further. The nation
Deserves not merely isolation
But comprehensive extermination.
We must not flinch from a solution.
(I await legal prosecution.)
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