Comments by "" (@pwillis1589) on "The great calling of western democracies has been to ‘inculcate’ Christian values" video.

@sduc0041 Please name one unique Christian value reflected in a modern western democracy?
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@unknownkadath1289 Nope can’t think of one. Please give me an example of a uniquely Christian/Jewish value?
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@KurtBoulter Yep I get it, you are not a fan of the catholic church, but is celebrating the alleged birth of Christ with a prawn and a beer OK?
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@fionnmaccumhaill3257 There are no eyewitness accounts of any alleged Jesus. There are no contemporaneous historical accounts. No mention of a Jesus character in any Roman writings from the period despite hundreds that still exists. There are only fragments of the gospels dating from about 70 CE and are in Greek. The first complete copies of the New Testament don’t turn up until around 300 CE again in Greek. You have got nothing but a 100 years of oral stories turned in myth.
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@Mannyxz Actually you are factually incorrect. On a whole range of independent measures i.e. life expectancy, wealth, education, quality of life, the more secular a society is the better off it is.
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@chadjcrase No you are exactly correct religion may or may not have anything to do with. So what then is the point of religious belief if your life is significantly worse? Are people praying for their babies to die in childbirth? Because the data is absolutely clear if you live in a deeply religious country your babies die at a significantly higher rate than in a secular country. Compare The infant mortality rate of Pakistan with Denmark.
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Please just name one unique Christian value that is reflected in a western democracy?
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@unknownkadath1289 and I understand why you would be fearful of naming one, because you don’t have one.
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@unknownkadath1289 So that's a big YES There isn't a single Christian/Jewish value reflected in a modern western democracy. Thankyou for you lack of honesty
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@PJRayment Yes, as I expected it is impossible for you to answer. No surprises for me. Finally being honest.
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@PJRayment Once again name a single unique Christian/Jewish value that is reflected in a modern western democracy? It can’t be any simpler than that. The reason you are equivocating is because you want provide an answer so vague as to be utterly pointless.
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So which is it. You Christian’s need to sort yourselves out and come up with a definite answer before I take either of you seriously.
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@barryhill1044 Heh any time I get two paid days off, I’m not concerned when it is or what they call it.
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So am I eating prawns and drinking beer this Sunday or not?
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@KurtBoulter and yes and I have no problem with that as long as you understand it is all in your imagination. Merry Xmas.
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@PJRayment A laughable excuse. Your god is so pathetic and impotent it can even organise one accepted coherent message to all. It's so stupid the majority of us ignore your god as an idiotic imagery nonsense. The vast majority of us have a drink and pretty much ignore the religious nonsense. There is little evidence of any birth and its so vague it is hard to believe any god could be so stupid as to leave so little evidence. It is as if they were trying to be incompetent. Name a eyewitness account. You can't none exsist. You are lying and being deliberately misleading. Just saying there are contemporaneous accounts is idiotic with providing that source. You don't have one. You are lying. Neither Josephus or Tactitus accounts of an alleged Jesus are contemporaneous. They were written in well after any life of Jesus. Greek was the language of the disciplines. That statement is idiotic on so many levels. Once again so little evidence only a deluded believer could possibly conclude any certainty of any alleged jesus character. But he is damn good for an excuse to get pissed and have a break from work.
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@unknownkadath1289 Your argument is fallacious. It is called the nutjob fallacy or cherry picking fallacy. You have taken one example which proves nothing. The US is neither particularly religious or secular. I spoke generally, but I can easily disprove your argument. Compare one of the most secular countries in the world Sweden with one of the most religious Timor Leste and on every single measure from GDP to life expectancy to GENI index, to crime rates, Sweden is far better. There is absolutely no advantage to being religious. In fact it’s even worse than that, it is as if God is deliberately making religious countries suffer.
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@chadjcrase So why then is crime rates and murder significantly higher in religious countries compared to secular countries. Again take the 20 most religious countries and compare them to the 20 most secular countries and low and behold if you live in a religious country you have a much higher chance of being robbed and murdered. Again there is no value at all in religious belief.
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@unknownkadath1289 I didn’t cherry pick one country I gave an example of one country to another country and qualified it as such. You get the same result with the 20 most religious countries when you compare them with the 20 most secular. Also the mean average life expectancy in the US going backwards for the first time since WWII is directly related to deaths from Covid and has nothing to do with increased secularism.
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@PJRayment No you haven't answered it at all. This religious history of a country is irrelevant. The data proves beyond doubt there is absolutely no advantage to religious belief whatsoever. What a stupid comment in reply to a statement that the US is neither particularly religious or secular by stating it is both. A completely pointless assertion. Again it is irrelevant what religion is practiced in that country secular countries do better and its history is irrelevant to the point. You continue with your idiotic strawman. No it has absolutely nothing to do with what religion was previously practiced. Your stupid strawman Again. There is no evidence that Christian biblical belief provides a better life. The data shows the opposite. Comparing two countries for infant mortality is not cherry picking as it was just an example as further explained by the average infant mortality spread over 40 countries religious and secular. Again anothrt strawman. Nobody is denying Christian history, but it is irrelevant to current data. But your last comment is the most stupid. Just a cursory look at the data on deaths in the US from covid shows the clear link with the drop in life expectancy, however there had been a minor decrease that started around the time of the Trump administration as well.
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@PJRayment Yes Phil we dont need your lack of morality that you can only get from reading a book. Happy for you to worship your imaginary friend, but keep it to yourself. The rest of us have important issues to deal with responsibly.
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@PJRayment No you haven't answered a single thing merely cowardly side stepped a simple question. In the context of standard of living the individual religious history of country is irrelevant as on average more secular a country is the better off it is. The US is not a particularly religious country when compared to Timor Leste or Nigeria or many other countries. Your have provides zero evidence for your claim of a god or any of your assertions. The data clearly shows there absolutely no benefit to religious belief or practices. That doesn't mean secularism is the cause of increased life expectancy, better wealth, less crime, better wealth distribution, better education outcomes, all it means is there is no advantage whatsoever for a society to engage in religious practices. No Phil you never make a claim because you know you know you can't defend your position. It's just cowardly. Comorbidities has nothing to to with the total fatality rate. Obese people existed before covid, as did diabetics, as did cancer suffers. It is stupid beyond belief to suggest anything other than Covid contributed to the steep rise in deaths in the US from early 2020. It doesn't even make sense with your earlier statement that the US is a religious country considering it was one of the worst hit countries for covid deaths. It is just nonsensical idiocy. Your god completely deserted millions of fundamentalist Christians you didn't mask up and refused vaccines and died in thier droves, totally unnecessarily.
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So just let me get this straight, it’s just all in our imagination?
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@PJRayment All you have provided is a history of Christianity which absolutely nobody denies existed. And all the data proves beyond any shadow of doubt that the benefits of religious belief while totally imaginary did prove useful in the beginning of civilisation, and are now just a cultural habit that is totally unnecessary. For some like yourself without a moral compass or completely lacking any sense of what is moral you do need a god to tell what is right. Thankfully you have one as you need your imaginary friend. Merry Xmas to you.
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@PJRayment So in the end after asking 4 times for anyone to, and i don't care who, not a single person in able to identify a single unique jewish/christian value reflected in a modern western democracy. Pathetic.
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@PJRayment The evidence of imaginary god is the lack of evidence. I can only conclude you made it up as cultural belief depending where in the world you were born. The data clearly shows there is absolutely no benefit to religious belief. Evolutionary biology and psychology shows there was some benefit in to humans in a term called metaphorical truth, but that's it. On average cultures that are abandoning a god belief are doing extremely well, proving religious belief totally unnecessary. Unless you can prove conclusively there is an existence after death. You don't need a god for objective morality. Anyway is something good because god told you? If so it is immediately subjective. If it was good already then god telling you is just an unnecessary intermediary. If you think god is real then that is being intellectually dishonest. The only thing you said that made sense at all was your last words. My belief and yes it it your belief.
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@PJRayment Are you telling me of all the different values in a modern western society you can't think of one single value that you know is undeniably Christian. Great we will leave it at that.
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@PJRayment No need to clarify anything your answer is all the clarification needed, and I'll leave it at that. You have answered my question perfectly.
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@PJRayment Your inability to provide any evidence of my evidence that there is no evidence of a god is the evidence there is no god.
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@PJRayment Thankyou. Your response provides all the evidence required that you are unable to answer the question.
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