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AileDiablo No, the problem is that you as muslim don’t have an objective view and you are forced to think that you are better than the rest.
Hehehhehe
Wrongs:
-Mogols made war in diferent fronts, they attacked the jurchens, the kwarazmisns and more at the same time.
Napoleon too fought against coalitions of empires. The combined efforts of 3 of the 5 biggest empires were needed for defeat him, and if not for the russian campaign in wich winter defeated him, he would have died succesful.
So don’t say the only ones.
-No idea? Guy, you are forgetting generations of pillaging and invade. Zaynab and Zenobia already prooved how adept they were centuries previously.
-Although enemy numerical superiority is undoubtable, it wasnt so much, arabs greatly exagerate it, and isn’t so surprising, sweds routinely defeated armies twice or three times bigger be4 the great northern war. Arabs had a similar quality advantage.
Alexander faced in Issos and Gaugamela armies bigger than any army the muslims faced, neither romans or persians were in shape for muster so much.
Arabs were unable of defeat the inhabitants of the plains, the nubians or the franks.
The mamluks did.
So its evident wich were the best warriors.
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@Trapset_Agent Ukraine, USA, UK, North Korea, URSS, Australia, Norway, Switzerland, Italy, France... all of them westernnized societys with feminism, nothing to explain there, we already know those.
Why you didnt mentioned Vietnam?
We dont know if the scythian fighting women were a defensive militia or true warriors, but I dont think they were soldiers.
So, in the end the only non western female soldiers presented are the agoji.
Why you didnt included the army of Nzinga?
Or the female guard of the mauryas? They were the indian version of the agoji.
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@awabgabir1972 And wich new discoveries did the ottomans with the observatory?
I hear that they just kept observing the moon for calculate dates and counted stars, but discovred nothing new.
Or the gurkhanis, what they did discover?
Not really, although with a lesser size, still was a big city and the house of wisdom still existed. Or not?
Ibn Khaldun said that one of the worst type of rulers is the nomad herders, he treats his subjects as cattle.
He said too that any family not working for the ruler died in povrty and any rich man who wouldnt kiss the ass of the ruler family would be killed for steal him.
😆, and if we mention the opinion he had about the arabs 🤣
Ibn Yubays said that Saladin was the only muslim leader in Levant who wasnt strangling his subjects with high taxes, some even went with the crusaders fleeing from the taxes.
The fitna was unavoidable, just after muhamamd death eveyone started to kill each other in the ridda/first fitna, the winners were divided in 2 parties who ended killing each other too later.
The waa ruined the state, and for cpmensate it they had to start colonial wars.
In a city state everyone knows the politicians, but not in an empire, there each region has his favored politician and woont agree in an ellection, at elast with the tch of the time.
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"betterment of its peoples happiness, development, freedom, and peace/security then what is it?"
That remembers me to Song China, they achieved a lot of things, it was themost technical ,studious, productive, wealthy and hedonistic society ever be4 Europe.
What hapepend?
They were razed by the mongols, as Europe, they didnt thought armies were good and negelected them.
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Im spanish.
An heroic victory in the Pyrenees.
Oh yeah. In OTL the catalan company kicked the asses of the turks in Anatoly, those skirmishers would be great in their own terrain, spanish has always been great in guerrilla.
You are sure spanish inquisition would be in this timeline?
Until Isabel, spanish inquisition wasnt worst than in other places of Europe, with a diferent set of kings like Pedro I of Castile Spain could had been a more tolerant and progressive place.
Well, its truth that Spain was build in a crusader spirit, and presence of dangerous foreigners both in North and South would trigger fanaticism.
No Portugal, bad detail.
And why Renaissance just in Britain?
What triggered Renaissance in Italy in my opinion was:
1 Getting to wealth and knowledge thanks to trade with muslims.
2 Political fragmentation of city states that made lords competing between them in patronize art and culture.
3 The strong position of merchants in the society.
4 Watching with their eyes the corruption of papacy.
Im sure i left important points.
Spain was more divided than England and too had better access to muslims, in fact, Renaissance gardens are based in andalusi ones. Aragon dominated west mediterranean commerce, and Portugal started very commercial soon too. Too in this timeline they would be watching the pope, its with them.
If Renaissance isnt triggered in a place more similar to the original, why in England, that, while Italy was in Renaissance, England was in a feudal civil war?
Following the meme that England and Japan are analoges, what if in this world, an England driven to isolation from the Woods Khanate, ended in his own 150 years civil war, and after it, a unification govern would try to employ the soldiers in reconquer France, succesfully?
Well, England was never as isolated as Japan, fool analogy.
And one big assumption in this: Why no traders?
The silk road was the biggest land trade route of the Old world, and with mogols lived a a golden moment.
Hehehe, good point the detail of relation between mogols and democracy.
I guess in this world, the first european revolution would be in Spain instead of France.
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@anthonybragoli671 Your language has 2 very stupid problems:
1 It doesnt have fix laws for vowels
2 There is no diferentiation of plural and singular in second persona. I was asking of vuestra opinion, not tu opinion.
And you keep trying to impose your ethics in others in pure colonial fashion.
Its unfair to apply it in others, USA is surrounded by ocean so it can cribe the inmigrants, Europe doesnt have that.
Too there governs doesnt fund the inmigrants for their multiplication.
In USA inmigrants have never been more than 1/6 of the total, in Europe some coutnries already have majority of births from inmigrants.
Many peoples could call that invasion.
And you are a bunch of hypocrytes, if diversity is so good, why you only wanna enforce it to whites?
No, your speech is just racism.
Yes, and we know too that many inmigration proceses have ended in genocides.
Your country is one big example, the modern inmigraion of muslims to Europe is disturbingly similar to the english to USA.
You dont desire diversity, if you would like it you wouldnt be dstroying the natives culture.
For you diversity is your politic code word for inmigration.
Your idea of the of the inmigrant=ubermensch is quite genocidal, see what you did with the natives, now you wanna repeat that in Europe.
And yes, you wre the inspiration of the nazis, Manifest destiniy =Lebensraum, Trail of tears = Holocaust, jim crow laws= race laws.
I like diversity, but keep this in mind:
Capialsits dont like diversity, they like cheap workers for profit and the delocalizing of production of tools, for them humans are another tool.
Search about sympatric speciation.
A globalized world will lose most of his diversity.
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@wroughtironmgtow9558 I said it:
Inmigrant go because the english capitalist ethic hate babys so much that they have delocalized human production.
Be4 that, they had laws against non white inmigration.
Too they had a new type of supremacy.
In the past they said tha white inmigrnats are superior. Now they say that inmigrant are superior, no mattter the place.
Ill do, Ill say that english countries arent a place for have a family, all you have there is spend your life working for others.
Too, as Thoreau said: An honest man doenst finance wars with taxes, so, the only place for an honest man in US is jail.
I live in a latin country and wanna leave it, but not for USA...
Mmmmmm, maybe Australia or NZ, but not the other 3.
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Suscribe at least for its videos of understanding civs, they are great.
I too think his filosofic videos are nice, even if u disagree they point to lot of interesting books
I am transhphobic, is nothing personal, I have a phobia against body modifications, I dislike too tattoos and piercings.
If you really think you need to change of sex, well, only thing I can say you is I would never go to a way to has no return, I think that, like terrorists and thiefs, you must always have a scape rout if the plan didnt worked well.
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For certain I had a genderfluid friend, well not close, by internet, lived too far away, was born as female but developed and identified as male, and I loved him/her, was called Marta but preferd to be called Brian and I agreed with that.
Once talked me wanted to change gender, I said her/him s/he could do as s/he desired but I couldnt support that, for me it was senseless to try to become on sex, s/he would always be genderfluid, and I dont see why that would be bad.
MAybe that amde s/he angry with me.
Years later I spoke him/her for last time. Talked me s/he was working as engineer and had a an eunuch boyfriend. Didnt spcified if changed of sex. I was so happy for him/her to have found both love and professional success.
Whatever s/he decides, I desire the best for him/her.
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@PigeonJr. Guy, are you saying that muslim science was stopped by an european colonialism who hapened 6-4 centuries after the stop?
Not traumatic for Egypt, India, Sahel or swahili. Magreb has its own mogol invasion in the form of the fantic berbers.
Well, muslim india was basically a turk/iranian colonislism, so if iranians were traumatised and bookless and turks only thought with the sword, is comprehensible.
Why muslim golden age simply didnt continued in Africa?
Or returned with the ottoman splendor?
Egypt... Oh, right, Saladin burned the libraries of Egypt.
Sahel was being isalmised, no books in others, no knowledge to them.
And why not in the swahili city states? too small?
I know he was a scientist, but didnt he said that if science cant proof God existence, then is lesser to faith?
You are sure occasionalism didnt influenced?
That muslim golden age depended on Iran and alAndalus? Then it wasnt muslim, just iranian and iberian.
I think Ruyard ha a strong point with the reason being th replacement of the arabs with turks as the ruling chaste.
Warriors arent scientists. Merchants can be.
Mmmm, another theory comes to my mind.
Civs are like people.
New ideas come only from young.
So, once the civ matures, is unable of do science.
I think that was what Spegler thought.
Mmm read about algazali existencal crisis? Interesting. Where I can?
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فهيم يوشأ You said it, they were executed for adultery, christianity didnt preached that.
So, there you have a rigth that christian women have and muslims no.
You too said it, christianity too fives women the irgth to not share their husband with other women.
Certainly that right usually wasnt respected,but you are saying just what religion says matters
Mmmm sex slaves are married? I rea that Islam enables as much as 4 wives, but there were epople who had 4 wives an too had sex with the slaves.
You shuld be the ones to have problems with poligamy, that is unequality and lack of women makes men cazy, not surprosed muslims have so many civil wars.
Most western men are no longer christian, and the sex slaves were just institucionalized mistresses and cheating.
And such hipocrisy, men could have sex with slaves and everyone was fine, if a woman had sex with one, they killed her.
I dont have a prlem with tht because im not a christian, we are just comparin religions.
What you call immorality i in fact liberty and rights that your women doesnt have.
You cn say with good reason that there are certain liberties and rights that arent healthy, but they are still rights.
While, muslim countries have the record of sexual represion of women with harems, executions and clit mutilation.
And dont presume so mych of purity, that apart of the institucionalized cheating of the sex slaves, homosexuality and buse kids have been traditionally more prevalent in muslim countries.
So much repression ends exiting in bad ways.
Oh, I forgot it, a woman in chritianity too has the right of speak with any man, unlike muslim women who are like prisoners.
Yes, your families were very organized, just see the methodical relatives assasination of the turk dinasties.
Even in the praised Saladns family thy inmediately started to killing each other after his death.
And just see how the muslim historians spoke about the dinastic decadence due to the inhability of the rulers to raise well educated children.
You have bigger birthrate because you are in an expansive pjase and you dont care if your kids die of hunger.
In the european expansive phase fecundity and family ties were as strong as yours, and what happens now is not unknown to muslims, ibn Khaldun said clearly that citizens are immoral, even if muslim. Virtue id for field people, and muslim contries are far mro rura than western.
See all the waves of muslims that justified wars against more urban muslims saying that hey were falling in corruption and vice.
German, celt and san women too were able of make a divorce.
Im no christian, I agree Bible is very violent, the Old Testament is posibly the biggest genocide apology ever writen.
At least Jesus abrogated that violence forgiving the adulteress.
In Islam, violence abrogates peace.
Still wich are those verses to promote kill women for criticise an authority?
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@Communism_Inc._official guy, hes right, historically comunism has always derived to absolut monarchies.
Theory in communism has nothing to do wuth its aplication, its own followers in fact don’t desire the supposed paradise, wich is only a bait towards the absolutist monarchy.
Having private property is hiperindividualism?
What religious fanatic u are?
True communist, the hunter gatherers, enable private property of objects who aren’t needed to be shared, like their clothes
There are many disadvantages in communism you don’t wanna see, like how even is usually lead by criminals.
I don’t know why he didn’t mentioned it, I realized it even more when i tried to find its jungian page.
And one last thing.
Haven’t you realized that communist countries have in their banners the same star as USA?
They all worship power, so you are deluding urself thinking they want to free people.
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@randomloserdontthinkaboutit Yes just one doesnt define, but is a representative sample.
You didnt see how people are in China, India, Africa, the Ummah... Basically all lands not conquered by USA hates the wokes, and they are most of mankind.
That you are an iman for woke inmigrants doesnt mean that in their countries all think like them.
So dont be so entitled, most people dont support you.
Really?
Because they hate anyone who refuses to integrate in what they think is their PC set of enabled things.
Youre rich? We hate u.
You are no POC? We hate you.
You are a hetero male? We hate you.
You are no socialist? We hate you.
And you dont see the bad things of preach equality?
First, 4 scify distopias aboout equality:
-The things to come: English destroy all world langauges, and all religions, except socialism, in the name of equality.
-We: The individuality of people is smashed to make them just homogenised tools for the state.
-Ringworld: Equality laws have made Earth completely homogeneous. No races, no languages, no architectures, no countries, no cultures, all the same. Such a lame boring world. In fact it says that if spacefaring is so prominent is because many people see it as the only way to scape suicide by boredom.
-The forever war: The premise even more extreme. Modern mankind is now an individual clone with a hive mind. Equality carried to the ultimate extreme.
So, you cant defend both diversity and equaity, they are opposites.
As ecologist I defend diversity.
Too, it makes people to lie and reject the diferences that exist in reality and drives to unfair things, like males turned "women" expelling real women from sports, or to promote mediocrity, like how army is becoming more mediocre for integrate women.
Or to lie rewriting history to their own like.
Or use it to justify genocides or culture destruction, like evryone must be equal inside the state, so no other ethnic or culture will be allowed.
Or to justify injustice in the main of equaity, like proclaiming that priviliged sectors deserve to be treated with unfair laws.
Well, that is certainly the tolerance paradox. As soon as you dont tolerate something you are untolerant.
As Spegler said tolerance is a virtue of slaves.
Anorexic no shamed for something beyond their control, they are still beautiful?
Why dont you say the same about nambla?
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well, it was in slow steps.
>21000 bC R1a apears somewhere around Iran
in ice age, R1a people migrates from their origin around Iran to the pontic steppe.
After ice age with neolithic, various people migrate from mid east to the north with diferent dominant Y halogroups : R1b from taurus monts, E1b from syria, T from Iran monts, G from georgia and anatoly,
5000 bC russian forests, Khvalynsk culture R1b
4500 pontic steppe, sredni stog culture. R1a
unknown date darkveti meshoko, west caucasus, not know main Y dna maybe R1b
3700 bC western caucasus, maykop culture R1b
3300 bC pontic steppe, yamnaya culture R1a & R1b
3000 bC russian forests, corded ware culture R1a
2900 bC russian forests, Fatyanovo–Balanovo culture R1a
2300 bC west of Urals, abashevo culture R1a
2000 bC east of Urals, sintashta culture. R1a. aryans
central asian stepe, andronovo culture. R1a aryans
So, yamnaya origins in ukrain, the aryans were a branch of them wich slowly diverged, by the time they install in east Urals they are reconizable as aryans, fro them thy extended to the central asian steppe.
R1a origins are somewhere around Iran, in the ice age. A lot of things happened in the next 15k years, between them, they moved to the pontic steppe.
The yamnaya are the result of the mixing of the sredni stog culture of R1a people in the pontic steppe, and migrants from mid eas from many origins, R1b became the most common haplogroup between them.
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@BMFC -Kameron Hurley. She desires the end of males in general, as her novel Stars are legion, wich is communist propaganda featuring a society of only females, show.
-HBO: See its series:
Lovecraft country: All whites are evil.
Watchmen: Whites are disapearing and it features them as evil for try to avoid it.
Six: The latin guy has more sons than all the wasps. One is gonna have sons: His wife dies.
Handmaids tale: All evil guys are white, almost all good guys are in interracial relations.
You know that latianamericans rulers used interracial coupling as Final Solution for their natives?
-Hollywood in general: Even nazi movies potrayed less hate to jews than hollywood to whites.
And have you realize that in some series, only the jew characters+ their couple have sons?: Friends, American pie, House, Big Bang Theory... Looks like Hollywood only desires a certain type of white having kids. Curiously, none of those featured offspring follow the Talmud laws, they are either adopted or from a gentile woman, so seems Hollywood is too against jewish conservatism.
-Lots of afroamericans: In a video titled something like Are whites disapearing?, about demographics, most of the comments were afroamericans cheering for the idea. More clear sample than that you can't have.
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@person-yu8cu Needed industrialisation ofr result in socialism? I dont see the relation, both full control of scoiety by state and socialization of lands can be done without industry.
I see more like industrialisation is needed for power, the supreme value that the star of the banner symbolises.
Yes, there are bureaucrats in capitalism, but they dont monopoliz the power like in comunism.
No, if you own something, you can chose what to do with it.
In communism choices are done by the high members of the party, they command people what to do.
So they own the entire country. They are the biggest monopoly.
At least in theory, I know that private companys existed too in URSS.
Commanding anyone what to do, they dont need taxes.
Come on guy, you started nice, dont lie me, money is used for bribe in comunism by the groups of power, corruption exist too. One can wonder too if unchecked absolutit power is other kind of corruption.
Too see how comunist China made a campaign against corruption, showing that it exist. And the campaign worked, or at least thats what the earnings of Macaos casinos ddropped while Chinas economy was still well. Corrupts like to gamble.
Yes, the small fish is eaten by the big anywhere, I find sad that socialism is suposed to protect the small farmers but in the end it doesnt.
And in Netherlands, one of the paradises of capitalism, small farmers prosper.
So its more in the culture of each than in each system.
Problem is both Russia and USA are empires, and problem of empires s that big size enables the development of big oligarchs that abuse their power.
Best countries in the world tend to be small ones.
Has anyone has found a solution to the corruption inherent to the accumuation of power in oligarchys that happen in great countries?
Yes, capitalism and comunism tend to share problems, as I said, they share the same base values.
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@adityavartak6990
Hehehe, I knew it, people showing proofs against the invsion dont realize those proofs support it becasue they cant interpret it.
Correct me if Im mistaken.
First R1a is just a chromosome. It speaks about the distribution of father-son lineages, but says few about the global genes.
Yes, R1a apeared in some unknown place, maybe Iran, in the ice age.
But 99 % of people with R1a are from the M417 branch, wich genetists totally think comes from the pontic steppe and radiated in the yamnaya expansion.
And 2 most common banches iside are brother branches:
Z83: germans slavs, baltics
Z93: aryan
indian most common branch is the L657, wich comes from the Z93.
If India were the origin of M41, the mutation L657 would be as common as M417. It isnt, is scarce outside India.
Autosomal analysis show big diference between IVC, and steppe people.
IVC analysed shows no steppe genes. Modern indian analysis shows everyone in India have steppe genes.
There you have,
Being civiliced? Hehehe
Im being.
As Conan the barbarain said: Civiliced peoples are rude because they know they can insult without being killed.
Well, for me, if act like a nazi, is one.
Nazis too twisted history and repeated lies for their own arrogance.
ill send u links in adiferent article, thi page hide answers with links
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@simulify8726 for certain, if I don’t remeber bad, india has been invaded by persians, macedonians, grecobactrians, saka, parthisns, kushana, heftslites, arabs, turks, afgans...
Tell me do you have remains of burned cities and mass graves of all those invasions? In the ones who not, you will claim they never happened?
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@bipl8989 Im not scared of nuclear power, for many countries is a good option, germans were idiots shutting them.
I dont have a car, neither wanna have it, neither to have air conditionin, all for avoid energy consumption.
In your rsource devouring country, a woman stopped talking to me just because I said her I had no air conditioning bcause as long as I can go to street I dont need it.
I hate buying needless things.
The only time I got a money loan was 2 years ago, and for an adiction. If I would had thought wih my big head, I would had never asked for a loan, loan enslave you.
And aniways, it was only 500 euros.
Democrats did not undid what republicans did, and now democrats have become the wankers of the chinese .
Dont be so stupid for think those 2 parties arent the 2 faces of the same coin.
Im not a gringo, Ive never voted republican.
We will lose our public health, yes, thanks to urresponsible boomers who do unsustainable economies for their lack of concern with the future and the young.
What invented zoomers? Nothing important, they are just your minime. Still, they are still young , lets give them a bit more time.
Obama was the one who started to unsustainably indebt the country.
Are you one of those fools who think in ideological xenophobic tribal terms
In my country we can only have bad jobs because boomers must maintain their proviliged status exploiting the young with trash jobs.
Aniways, their privileges will drop at any soon point, their provileges model is economically unsustainable.
Justifying my existence? Dont order others to do what you dont.
Wait an inheritance? Speak for urself, my parents have nothing.
Are you gonna keep barking to the imaginary enemy they taught you to hate inside ur ideological plato cave?
The video is right, young gringos are just deepening the mistakes of the old urresponsible and manicheist generation that raised them.
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Come on guy with your luteran prejudices about spain.
Chaste system? Says that the guy whose country had until recently laws against interracial marriage?
Other guys has already pointed that many of them are more or less false.
I guess the problem of IberoAmerica, (Brazil too, in fact, as Camoens said, portuguese are too spanish) is that they inherited from Spain a nobility ruled society that lived from the taxes of the commoners, without worry of their conditions, and that has evolved into the parasytic politicians they have now.
Still, Mexico was rich in 18 century. Chile, Cuba, Venezuela and Argentina were rich at the begin of XX century. As no IberoAmerica has been rich again after WW2, I deduce that the problem is that they are now the colonies of USA.
So quite the mote of ur eye be4 accuse the spanish empire of quit all the resources and chaste system.
Portugal no abusive father? Didnt you heard of the bandeirantes? You already pointed the slavery.
And you didnt saw the movie La misión? The jesuits werent exploitative with the guaranis.
You did no expected native americans be conquered? Have you seen rest of world?
The bantu wiped the natives of half of Africa. The cossacks the siberyans, the malays the natives of indonesia...
Is always the same when a society faces another better connected that has more tech and diseases.
For Spegler is wasnt surprising that the arabs conquered so much, for the it was destined by a series of factors.
If you think, it, is more surprising that a bunch of primitive tribes from the coasts of modern Denmark and Saxony would conquer the world imposing their language?
I didnt read that part, but Spegler said that all that big chunk of north Africa and west Asia were what we could call the extended Persian cultural area, an area whose culture derived one way or other from the achaemenid empire, both in institutions and his religions, mazdeism, judaism... The sassanians, the byzantyne rebel provinces, the arabs... just diferent branchess from the same wood. Spegler says, at certain point, a barbaric newcomer from the fringes of the cultural area with the stregth of the barbarians, comes and unifies the region. That is in fat what USA did with the western culture. That is what arabs did with the post achaemenid cultural area.
Other reason, Islam is in fact as untolerant as christianism in that both are commited to make the rest of faiths of the world disapear. So, in fact they both thrive because their xenophoby gives them an excuse for imperialism. And that people adopted Islam isnt so surprising, colonised people adopts the culture of the coloniser for be able of integrate in the elites. With christianism happened the same.
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AileDiablo Complete slavery?
Be hunted, sold in market and sometimes too chastrated, like an animal, years of hard work, if he survives the process, be given liberty only after show is well tamed so doesnt wanna leave the ones that treated him like an animal.
That isnt complete slavery?
Yes, europeans made th worst slavery, but the endd forbidding it, muslims never. In fact, they learned plantation slavery from muslims.
Servant is the original word for slave. So, yes, those were slaves.
Wrong, al-Andalus in 10 century had a lot of slaves. So dont accuse others of ur own faults.
Muslims have never forbade slavery.
Wrong, almost all caliphs were hereditary, only the first ones were elected.
Well, Iran is resurrecting that noocracy system. Its a shame that USA bullies them, they are an interestign country.
Of curse muslims are the legislators, they justify it in their imaginary God.
Ruled by muslims only, so, an apartheid.
When jews do the same you do, you say its evil. Best way of show that what you do is evil.
Many of what you said are the lies that ur masters have made for justify your new colonialist wave.
Ive read history books of the muslims and they openly deny what you say.
Go to lie to your mom.
Still thanks for describe the system.
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AileDiablo No, I'm not describing atlantic slave trade, that trade neither chastrated the slaves, neither were given the liberty after years of work. Im speaking of muslim trade.
Yes, muslims couldnt be enslaved, so they attacked unbelievers.
In fact was one of the reason for islamisation of peoples, many accepted Islam for stop being attacked by enslavers.
Islamophobic, the eternal liar word created for denigrate the ones who criticese muslims.
I base many of my words books written by muslims. Were they islamophobic?
The first true sultan was Mahmud of Ghazni, previous great rulers were known as califs. You may mean were not legal caliphs according to the initial noocracy system,
but they were called caliphs, not sultans.
Of course the slaves were outsiders, same with european slavery.
Yes, but the leade of state always a muslims, and the vizier almost always a muslim.
The only jew vizier of al-Andalus ended in the first recorded progrom of Europe.
NO, if would be simbolic, umayads wouldnt have forbidden conversions for maintain the tax income, neither would had christians under ottoman should had send their kids as slave soldiers.
At least I agree that jyzia nowadays is less money than the heavy taxes in Europe.
Me? Im not religious, does jyzya protects people who doesnt believe in God?
There arent muslim wars like WWs today because muslism dont have the power for now, but muslims have produced some of the Hitlers of the past centurys. Mahmud of Ghazni, Temur and Auragzeb made the biggest wars of their time.
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AileDiablo Ufffffff so many wrongs.
250k in Tunisia? XDXDXDXDXDXD
Just compare their current populations.
Tunisia has just 12 millions, Egypt+Great Syria are more than 10 times that.
What you say is an umpossible.
Easily? Fielding so many useless soldiers they would had went bankrupt and they would have died of hunger, wars are expensive and logistics have limits. Just see how they continously got tramped by rains. Turks knew well that mobilize far more than 100k soldiers for an army was useless.
Liar, that cypher was more than twice all the soldiers byzantynes could muster, and if they would have so many soldiers they wouldnt had been recceding in so many fronts previously, they would have conquered the world.
Just some years before byzantynes had to make a public collect because they had no money for raise an army and were in far bigger danger, they had already lost far more.
In the battle of Dara byzantynes had just 25k soldiers for face the persians.
So your position is just unbeleivable.
Liar, if arabs were so unoffensive.
Why Zaynab conquered so much just with one city?
Why Mawiya forced the romans to sign her treaty?
Why romans and persians hired arabs for defend them against arabs if arabs were so useless in war?
Why persians lost in Dara, but the they hired arab soldiers and won the next battle. How curious they win by hiring people that accoding to you didnt knew to fight.
Of course they knew war.
American war against nazis was too in terminal phase, nazis were already receding against russians, then why you say that counts and mogols not? You dont even aply yur own arguments.
XDXDXDXDXD Epic fail.
1º When Subutai became general mogols were already a superpower, Subutai was a kid when he met Chingis Khan and didnt became general until a pair of years before Chingis died. So no, he didnt made most of the work.
2º According to that argument arabs had no merit, they had Khalid, he made most of the work.
In your face.
Learn for bodies? That is as stupid as say that people can learn karate by watching hurted karatekas in hospitals.
Thats true, they wouldnt had won against a China in full power.
Neither arabs would have won against a Rome or Iran in full shape.
As Mel Gibson said, no great civ is conquered until it defeats itself first.
Neither were big names in byzantium, Heraclius was senile and unable to lead and just hired a bunch of mediocre leaders that the only thing ever did was to be killed by arabs.
The jins occupied norhern China. If that is no merit, then that arabs defeated eastern rome is no merit either.
And no, there is no color, the mogols defeated the same steppe people that arabs were unable of defeat, so certainly mogols were far superior.
Mazdeists were no real polytheists, they just beleived in 2 big gods.
If you say that they beleived in lesser gods, I can say you beleive in angels, who are too lesser gods, and Satan is too a god of lesser power, so you are polytheists too.
Mazdeists were the first ones talking about the conflict between God and devil and you dont count them as people of the book. Thats totally unfair.
And if they would have converted so willingly, arabs wouldnt had made laws for expropiate them. You converted them through violence and opresion.
Its easy to convert people through colonisation.
Thanks for continously show how unreliable you are.
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@AFFoC Im european, I see how USA invades the culture everywhere.
See the new that korea wanted to show less american movies in his country and USA asked that if they did , they would retire their troops.
And read Last&First men by Olaf Stapledon.
Be4 the WW2 it was beleieved that every european country had a very diferentiated caracter and culture.
With the american invasion/dominance, that has become seen as a bad idea, tthere are americans that say the first part of the book shouldnt be viewed because they thin heir ethnic stereotypes arent good.
Hehehehe, I think they get angry above all over the american stereotypes, even said that in USA to lynch blacks for sxual agresion in a white woman is a national sport.
Now you see a french, a spanish, a british, a german momvie, and all them show the same values and messages than an american movie.
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@stormhawk31 The only one who can destroy USA its Russia, and not without destroy itself, so I see unlikely.
A civil war can happen, but as I said Rome had 3 civil wars and just changed of govern model.
The latins are integrating well, I dont see them making a secession.
For France I was refering to a foreign country invasion. As I said I see likely a process of replacng in Europe.
Yes, you inspired them.
You made your empire over the corpses of the native americans.
Nazis wanted to make their own over the corpses of other europeans.
One thing is to have blood in hands, and other thing is to bring the inhabitants of half a continent towards their extiction.
Those high ideals were for whites only at first, and has never been for the natives. For you they had to disapear.
Your ideals dont contemplate the survival of the native populations and cultures. So dont ask me that you are the good guys.
Yes, is easy to play nice after have become the strongest guy by slaughtering anyone that opposed your rise to power.
Yes, I agree that you are now spreading inhuman ideas.
All big powers ruled by freemason ideals are doing, they are a cult of power, and now power is on machines, not humans.
I wonder if humans will survive to this new tech revolution.
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@markcangila1613 Only one example isnt enough. Looks more like an exception-
One problem i have with communists is their hipocrisiy, they say to despise monarchies, but half of their rulers are monarchs.
I agree market doesnt self regulate, its a chaotic system.
Similarities:
-They have semythic bearded prophets: Abraham, Moshe, Yoshua, Muhammad, Marx...
-They gave sacred texts that their followers study.
-They view the world as good beleivers and evil unbeleivers.
-They believe conquering and converting people is good and use it for justify their crimes.
-They beleive only them have reason and hates other faiths.
-They beleive by following their faith will achieve a paradise that in fact never arrives.
Unbeleivers are taget of slavery
-They have institutions for hunt and expropiate unbeleivers and disidents: Inquisition, minah, cheka...
-They beleive in a supreme all powerful trascendent being that gives them law and protection. God. In marxism God is the state.
-People name their sons after the saints.
Do you want more? Write so much is boring.
And this one isnt abrahamic, but the supreme leader is the incarnation of the God, with all powerful volunty, and makes the state be ruled by high bureaucrats and experts in faith, whose orders must be obeyed by the workers without question.
So, it too copy the faraonic regime.
So, for me is clearly a religion.
Another of their hipocrisy, blame religions when they follow one too.
That is another, all them are highly hypocrite.
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@markcangila1613 1 Marx could had not been semytic or be shaved. Coincidence.
2 Sacred books. Marxist likes to deconstruct everything, except their sacred books.
3 4 5 Most religions arent so arrogantly xenophobic, dont wanna dominate world and enables others to have their own faith, that is an abrahamic trait. Coincidence.
6 Russians were. Not really, most ancient cultures didnt beleived in progress, that is too an abrahamic idea. Coincidence.
7 Many doesn't, but the fact is that has happened much. Many free market suporters are against explotation, and that doenst mean capitalis is against it. Coincidence.
8 I dont speak about normal police, about religious police controling sacred ideas. Neither police is used for dictaminate expropiation, although once decreed it enforces it. Coincidence.
9 A Anywhere those guys became powerful? Or are just dreamers?.
B No state society is the paradise that never arrives. The great scam those faiths are based. Coincidence.
10 Ive hear of a guy that named his sons Vlad, Illich and Ulianov. Too a marxist character of a show called his son Fidel. A politician in my country has the name of ilustrious local marxists. Coincidence.
For certain, the fact that my father called me Adam for the economist make me think free market (second to science) is his reiglion. But I dont see other paralels.
Wrong.
1 Stalin stablished a cult personality and ruled as an absolutist faraoh.
2 The Kim dinasty are adored as gods in northKorea.
3 Turkmenistan has an absolut monarch with cult personality system.
4 Like Mao
5 Like Gadafi
6 Like Sadam
7 Fidel Castro.
8 Hugo Chavez stablished a similar cult aparate, and he has been posthumously deified.
9 Azerbaijan is ruled by a dinasty. Sounds very monarchic.
Isnt curious how the postsoviet states and similars are so similar?
You gave 1, I gave 9, and Im sure I can find more.
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@anthonybragoli671 3 USA more diverse than Europe?
Not in languages or institutions.
You keep using diversity as synonim of inmigration, there are FAR more kinds of diversity.
Then what you call development and industry, I call it genocide, and you are justifying it in that is needed for the industry.
As many evil like the opium wars, colonisation, chattel slavery, genocide of natives... were justified. Thanks for show you dont think diferent to them.
The next part of that logic is replace humans with machines.
4 Doesnt inherently does, but it often happens, above all when plutocrats care only of profit and control, like its the case. Yes, and your media keeps promoting racism for their own interests.
I accept the right of ther peoples and groups to have their own country and exist, unlike you who are about to achiev your final solution over the natives.
You cant preserve endangered peoples with gringo politics.
No, you dont se it wasnt done by racism, was done by plutocrat interests, wich keep dominating ur country. Amerindian were seen as an obstacle to progress and business, so progress would erase them. Blacks were enslaved because it was profitable, not just of racism.
6 Again, tu estupid language doesnt enable to distinguish when im speaking about vuestras colonial ideologies. What tu opines doesnt matter, is the official propaganda of ur empire.
World is already diverse and migrations are lowing that diversity.
Just see how your country is purposefully destroying dozens if not hundreds of natives languages and cultures.
Have you searched the alopatric speciation?
Frontiers create diversity, fluxes erase it. One of the main causes of extinction of boths species and cultures is the arrival of stronger ones.
And you can't ask everyon to be tolerant, tolerance in fact doesnt exist, everyone is proud of refuse to tolerate certain things that others like, and the more dominant is a group, less tolerant is.
So your tolerance formula is just an ideal detached from reality.
Dont say that ur coutnry is a model of diversity when its so effective in erasing it.
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@lolbitbot4791 I was talking of demostrations, strikes, boycotts, tax evasion... more than revolution. Many ways of civil resistance.
I dont seek revenge, I respect old people, but their egoism is ruining the country, what needs to be done is to chagne the system.
Or just surrender, exile, and enable the country to die.
That is a shitty revenge, you enemy dies happy after have make you bad, that is jus the stupid lie the loser talks to himself.
Many boomers dont even have childs or they egotistically cared only of themselves. Sae or wros can be said about their offspring.
No pensions for them for not have contributed to the next generation would b th adequate punishment.
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@KNWProductions Same number?
No more of 5k deads are counted in inquisition archives.
im surprised they are so few, but not so much. Iberians have valued honor more than life for millenia, the perspective of suffer a public humiliation under the inquisition was enough terror.
Maoists copied the autos de fe.
In the soviet archives are counted 12k executed by cheka only in 2 years.
Nazi germany eclipses both?
Hehehe
Thats unfair, you are comparing religious policies to all the deaths of a bloody empire.
A more fair comparison would be the total or relative deaths of communist regimes in either URSS, China, or Cambuja.
Amerikan civil war more han bolshevik revolution?????
Google says american; <1 million. Russian: >7 million
We can doubt of Google, but to think that more people died in a secesionist war in a country of 31 M than in a civil war in a country of 132 M, a war between one side of arrogant enslavers and other of religious fanatics with the official intention of eradicate their enemies, apears fool, just for the population difference we can expect the russian civil war to be at least 4 times deadlier.
Embrace progress or be forgotten?
I see that a false dicotomy, embrace progress could very likely to make everibody to be forgotten, too their embracers, by replacing humans by robots, or many other types of tech apocalypses.
Humankind tend to progress yes.
Do you know what tends too? To explotation, unequality, autoritarism, to genocide the less developed... And those thigs rise with progress. USA genocided the natives in the name of progress. Now wanna do the same with whites.
You are so fanatic that u worship progress, no matter the results?
You think a system that empoverishes the people and promote hate and genocide doesnt deserve to be hated?
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@indy32d Grrrrrrrr
What a bunch of materialyst prejudices.
Religion is far more, you with ur materialist view only view it as a substitue of science.
Religion is above all the justification of the laws and ethics of the group.
Of course serves for control people, they had to do aniway be4 having schools and propaganda media. Do you blame school and media their use as control tools?
Specially the abrahamic? Wich civilized religions dont do that?
The egyptian polytheism, the mesoamerican one, the confucianism, hinduism... All civiliced faiths justify the rule of the oligarchs.
If roman empire would have continued, we would be just like a ew more advanced byzantynes.
Quit that prejudice, romans were against innovation, so no christianity wouldnt have changed anything.
In fact, chrisstianity created the idea of progress.
That pagan knowledge was already being destroyed as part of the decadence of culture. Most of the Alexandria Great library was lost due to civil wars.
All cultures destroy the others knowldge.
What do you beleive that the very advanced english and americans did when they conquered Africa or Iraq? Burn the librarys.
They preserved it? Sure? They had even forgotten the achaemenids, that knowledge was conserved by the christians.
I wonder how many of their knowledge was conserved and how much stolen from other civs.
Aniways, their own religion soon became against innovation.
Then the only accepable religion for you is old school marxism.
Feminism see women as superior.
No treligion see them as equals because they all acknowledge that they get pregnant, men not, and that does makes a huge difference in lots of things.
You are wrong, western coutnries started to rise in science be4 enlightement. Maybe thanks to Renaissance.
Why frech revolution? The important revolution was the american one. French was just a copy.
You re sure? Muslims says that Quran is full of scientific miracles. If you point a fail in Quran, they just say that Quran is hard to tanslate and say other meaning that adjust to science.
I have the impresion they are lying doing that.
Not just fairytales, legends and myths often speak of things that happened.
Austrlian legends remember the ancient configuration of sea level 10k years later.
They serve too for moral teaching.
And science isnt diferent.
You jst said me the myth of roman science. That is what is, just a myth.
The tale of Huxley vs Wilbeforce debate is just a scientific legend, reality was a bit diferent.
Millions and millions have been killed without any religious justification.
Religions dont cause wars, just try to make them look good.
You aren't marxist? Really? You speak like one.
Marx was a materialist hypocrite that just wanted to replace other religions with his own, and he didnt knew that anticonceptives would rise.
With anticoncetives and no religion, people is doomed to disapear, only religious people have a healthy fecundity.
So, in the end religion wins, unbelievers have no future due to their lack of kids.
Abolish religion? For replace it with nihilistic materialism and consumerism as ilusory happiness?
Stop your capitalist preaching.
Unless materialists find a way of have healthy birthrates, they are doomed.
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@wroughtironmgtow9558 Pubmed says that between <50% and >60% of argentinians, depending on the regions, have native mtDNA.
And you just have to see many of those "whites" for see the evident traces of native genes in them.
Why should cubans claim something that they forgot? Their ascendancy is well showed by genic analysis.
You didnt understood, they inspired the nazis, nazis wanted to make their own american dream. Manifest destiny>Lebensraum.
Trail of Tears>Final solution
Yes, everyone wanted to flock to the rich gringo reich, but from the 17-19 centuries Mexico or Brazil were more ethnically diverse. Brazil too have great diversity, amerindians, portuguese, blacks, japanese, syrians, jews, germans... arrived there, making it very diverse. And Id say more if I would know better brazils history.
Wrong, your MGTOW is an etiam sequitur from the inhuman english production ethic that wanna make people care only for produce, so wanna make them lonely tools with no family.
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@wroughtironmgtow9558 Who cares if a coutry is serious in a discussion about ethnic diversity?
Pubmed's agenda is science, is a scientific database.
Those data dont contradict themselves, britannica just says how the people depicts themselves. Pubmed speak about ascendancy.
You dont understand that people of one race usually have some ascendancy of others?
Laugh? We would have to ask them how would they call be deported to barren lands and be killed if resisted, sufering in the process a big drop in their numbers.
You are wrong. the migration balance between USA and Mexico now is equilibrated, many americans go to Mexico searching a cheaper and more relaxed life. Too Japanese, there are more than a million of japanese bot in Mexico and USA.
Yes, latins cant be as wealthy as english, I dont deny that.
But wealth isnt everything, english will disapear due to their delocalization of human production, the inmigrants will replace english culture with their own.
So much cockiness in a guy who is so scared of women.
English men now are terrified by women, where is the glory in that?
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@aa4a-a4 That capitalists dont support lgtb?
Are you blind?
Of course they dont apreciate them, they are all tools for them, but they care about support the lgtb agenda and feminism because its profitable.
They didnt just died.
Women in Caribe used abortions to avoid having kids in those bad conditions.
Same arguments western users of abort usually cite.
Yes, and due to that european and african inmigration, the caribeans were asimilated like they never existed.
Other places faced the same downfall but as didnt received the same inmigration, survived.
Spanish never wanted to wipe the natives, they wanted the max profit for them, so gave them a life of exploitation.
And you pointed something, like european pop exploited due to their superior natality promoted by the church.
That happened too in USA.
And now is happening in Europe.
Muslims are already half of babys in Netherlands, soon Netherstan.
Yes, so all those countries will be submitted too by underdevelopeds unless they keep their borders closed.
The refugee crisis is just the beginning, this isnt gonna stop.
Europeans took 3 centuries to replace the natives, this isnt a thing of one generation.
Romans too though germans would integrate without any problem.
Spanish cant be saved, french and english dont deserve to be saved, but the other europeans dont have to suffer that fate.
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@amk4956 USA half socialist?
First, socialism is too capitalism, wealth is too concentrated in some hands.
But USA is not half socialist, there are lots of countries far more statized.
I live in europe and everyone says USA is a capitalist hell compared to Europe.
I dislike capitalism, socialism is too capitalism, but Lybia and Somalia are more like anarchists, there is no state and there is no respect to private property.
Ey, if you want socialism, go to Somalia and Lybia. Socialists say that a stateless society is their dream, so go to those countries, those have achieved your dream, those countries are the aplication of your dream. And more than you think.
My dream countries I guess are Iceland, Norway, Costa Rica, New Zealand and the Pacific isles.
Countries free of the evils of capitalism, socialism and anarchy.
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@pyotrcapaldi451 Hehehe, so, most of ur plains have been taken by the chinese and they left you the worst part.
Not much ethnic tension yes, for them to fight each other was just the natural way of life, no matter the ethnicity, as happened in the german confederation, wich was neither holy, roman or empire.
Not as much as in Europe, Song China feared an inner uprising and was centralized, so weakened the inner defenses, with the militar uncompetnece consecuences.
Europe was feudal, conquer all castles of europe would be like kill a swarm of mosquitoes with ut hands.
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@50ulEat3r NO
Im thinking too of the native americans, the bushmen, the pigmys, the vedoids, the australoids... all those people that doesnt amtter for you because they dont wanna focus in produce money so you wanna genocide them.
You purposefully genocided the native americans. You are the racists. You inspired the nazis.
Natives in Caribe were genocided using the same general strategy that is being now used in the gringo empire with the commoners: Make them live only for work, if they have no kids, no problem ,they can be replaced, they must focus in the sacred task of production.
And Im thinking too in the moral value system of other cultures.
What makes you think you must impose your values?
Of, of course the typical old euro supremacyst colonizer mindset of superiority.
Yes, and other cultues can argument that many of your values are wrong.
You wanna destroy racial, linguistic and general cultural divesity.
You wanna make men and women hate each other.
You wanna submit evrything to production.
You wanna concetrate power in few hands.
You wanna criminalize hetero sex.
You wanna erase all coutires and create a world govern.
You wanna destroy family and traiditional religions.
You wanna relocate the births.
You wanna make women abort with public money, amking everyone in society implied.
You are promoting your own kind of human supremacism. The supremacy of the inmigrant, as you are a country of inmigrants, you wanna imposue ur national supremacy.
You wanna erase any spiritual value system with meteryalism.
You wanna erase any umprouctive ethnic group.
If inside a country a democracy doesnt align with you put a dictatrship in its palce. You dont really value democracy, just submission to you.
You start wars with false flag attacks.
You support one side for them ackstab it in conflicts.
You wanna impose your value and politic system in anoy country without thinking it simply can not be the best for other cultures.
And do I remeber you what you did in Iraq?
Those things are seen by LOTs of people around world as EVIL.
Son dont go with ur colonizer mindset of impose ur system everywhere, that is colonialism, imperialism, fanaticism.
And for certain, you still beleve in slavery, you just changed it.
Modern slaves are now imprisone workers and illegal workers.
And you are greatest of the world in both categories and both are higher in the old enslaver states. And yes, imprisonment affect far more the blacks and illegal work to the latins, bunch of racists.
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I think this video could need a remaster, some variables to add:
The author didnt heard of Sol Invictus? A solar deity wich was declared main god by Aurelian and Julian.
To make paganism monoteistic could had been part of the recipt to adapt it.
Being Mitra too a solar god, it would had been easy to the priests to mix them in a single god, so, no division of Europe.
Still, due to the commented difference, I could totally se a schism between a catolic solar cult in wich the greek gods are present as minor gods or saints like in catolicism, and a protestant germanic version without the greek gods.
Would that still make the germans mysoginists?
Still, the goddesses are too much present in european mindset from the european pagan past, so I guess any kind of sincretised female goddess/saint would provide spirituali reference for women.
Obisp Wulfila had already converted the goths to arianism, so east germans were arian christians. That coud had lead to a divided Europe, an arian western Europe, or who knows... like...
as in reality christians not believing in the trinity tended to convert into Islam, this could be a POD for a muslim West Europe.
Wow, now I realiz rhis timeline could drive to the rise of a feminist Islam.
Lets explain:
Official neopagan/solarian Rome becomes in conflict with Syria and Egypt who are christian. In fact in our, reality, they were in confict because those were monofisites instead of nicean.
So, the christian arab warrior queen Mawiya, in her wars against Rome, would be welcomed by the rebel provinces, probably making them secede, like Zaynab did.
She could become a cultural hero and inspire the rise of a feminist Islam later, maybe.
Wow, this timeline should be explored.
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@kennyholmes5196 Yuval logic is that a religion is the irrational idea that something is the supreme value that must determine peoples law and values.
Too signals of religion are fanaticism, veneration to saints, imposition of laws and values...
Just see how comunists behave as religious in basically verything.
And this is an idea of mine: God is a overhuman entity in wich people searchs protection and luck and justify the laws of the followers of the faith.
For comunists, is the state.
With those 2 postulates, both comunism and capitalism can be accounted as religion.
Of course one can follow both capitalism and comunism, there are religions who arent exclusive, and too exist something called syncretism.
Buddhism and hinduism are compatible religions, and there were greeks that worshipped both the oficial gods and secret cults.
Well, science is a religion diferent to others: It's true and works.
For that reason is not a religion because follow something that works its rational.
I agree, is the less religion alike idea, but scientists can be dogmatic and close minded too and think that science has more atributes than it really has.
Hehehe capitalism in fact works too, but people expects from it and does more than seems reasonable.
Guy, you are giving too much credit to fanatic religions who reject to follow others.
Before those religions became dominant by actively eliminating competence, people wasnt so xenophobic with mix religions.
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Peaceful aryan migration?
"We killed the impure dasa, we razed their 10000 cities." Didnt rigveda said that?
Your system has an entire varna of warriors.
ALL historic migrations to India have been violent.
Mahabarat proofs how violent aryans were.
All descednants of ancient yamna cultures were violent people.
And you still say they were peaceful? Really?
Harappan sites were bandoned be4 the invasion, you said it, climate cahgne, sobreexplotation, corruption... ended the civ. Aryans got advantage of the power vacuum.
You said it, certainly he was mistaken in that detail
Of course there is continuity, invaders diluted in the majority, the video said it.
But gene analysis too show and be4 and after to aryan invasion. No steppe genes be4.
No, rakigarhi doesnt showed any recent mix with mid east, the one found was around the end of ice age. After that millenia of isolation.
Well, not foreing elite found yet, but I wouldnt discard it completely, no elite necropolis found yet.
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What is outdated and distorted is your version of the theory.
No, it never said it replaced the natives, they submitted them.
Yes, now has ben demostrated that the invasion was the consecuence of the fall, not the initially beleived opposite.
Yes, and all those migrations were violent invasions: Persians, macedonians, grecobactrians, sakas, parthians kushanas, heftalites, arabs, turks, afgans...
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@AtlasCrafted My idea is that you can see 5 years be4 that someone is gonna become a lovable woman, and wait until then. And that a good relation with the famiy is very important, my relation with her family was excellent, I loved them as if they were my family.
Other people withot ur prejudices said me I was a gentleman for wait until she was 18 and while, cultivating a good relation with them
I wont end in jail, I never went after teens, not even when I was one.
What I did was manipualtive?
How can u manipulate somene doing nothing?
Nothing is what I did, I never told her I Iiked her.
Aniways, probably her mom noticed and said her. Her mom loved me like a son.
My sister years later said me than when we met her when she was 13, she clearly liked me.
Damn, if she would have said me, I would have confesed her when she turned 18.
So, if my sister was right, and she is a clever girl, in fact she wanted to be with me.
I damn myself for being a coward when I was 24.
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@aasifazimabadi786 Hell?
That Allah enables Hell means he isn’t diferent to Temur.
I don’t want to believe in an evil god.
You can’t blame to be demonized, your god is literally a demon.
And ive seen too great demonization against communism and Christianity.
And you lying saying he is merciful look like orc minions flattering their dark lord for not be killed.
I understand it, people behave better when they think they are being seen and will be punished.
But to end killing others for think diferent is too much.
stop scapegoating orientalists or playing as victim.
Ive read your books.
What ive read both amazes and scares me.
See Pakistan, see Somalia, see Yemen, see Bangladesh, see Iran, see Afganistan.
That is Islam.
Pakistanis killed more muslims in a short war than all islamist terrorist groups.
And thats nothing new.
You find strength, wisdom and social order in Islam, it certainly has many wisdom, i see that ok.
But don’t blame others for not do the same.
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@aasifazimabadi786 You god isnt merciful, behaves like Temur.
Liar, Iv said you that even with my atheist hearth, I found in biology the proof of its existance.
But I dont se any proof he is the evil god you claim it is.
I beleive in God, not in Allah the Lord of Pain, whose avatar Temur was.
I beleive in God, not in you, the desert supremacists.
There must be consequences for not obey him?
Exactly what Temur thought.
Tell me, when you have a kid and he has bad grades in school, you will pu him gasoline and burn him alive as consecuence of is failure?
Thats what you should according to your fake concept of justice.
Your master?
XDXD
Thanks for confirm you are a religion of total slavery.
Allahs face?
You really think he is an human?
XDXDXDXD
Stop lying, I am more merciful than Allah, I think not even the most evil human deserves Hell.
Stop acting like a scared slave who fear the whip of its master, so les to him for flatte him. I detest flatterers and liars.
Yes, he has made us unbeleivers, accoding to you just for burn us.
Your god is a sadistic monster.
I prefer to think like the bahais, that god is merciful and he created all religions in world as part of his progressive revelation, contradictions are simply due to humans mistake or diferent conditions of each culture.
They are merciful and peaceul unlike you, the desert raiders who have never stopped of kill each other.
Anything possible? You think there is not possible to exist more than one god, so dont say that.
Go to say to another person how wonderful are you chains.
Ufffffffff.
I know you did it with good intention.
You did what was correct in ur culture, I clearly see you are a good person.
But Allah has given me an open minded merciful hearth,and my hearth hate Islam.
Your religion os for judging people full of hate.
Tell me, why he has created me for hate Islam if he hates that?
That ha no logic.
The logic is you are supremacists.
That you hate Israleis when they behave like your beoved rashiduns is the best proof of your moral failure.
If you don want more harsh words from me, stop this.
I know you are a good person, but I hate your faith.
I would say god bless you, but I think he already did, you look to have a virtuous hearth.
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@sonofuniverse6355 Ive given you a lot of proofs, that you are too dumb and fanaticd to underrstand or accept them is your problem.
There is no proof of iranians following vedas or hinduism, and that certain words who design divine beings good and bad have reversed moral between iranians and hindus seems to suggest aryans separated between iranians and indoaryans due to a religious schism.
Rigveda too says that the aryans conquered the 10000 cities of the dasa and defeated the lingam worshipers.
How apears the river? Why not? The final version of the rigveda was undoubtly composed in India.
There was no Sparta in the troyan war, but the Iliad mention Sparta because it existed in Homers time.
Thats self-delusion, a migration performed by violent people always end becoming a invasion, and more when the invaders are far more men than women, as genetics show.
Yes, 2 can form.
But think as an explosion.
The aryan expansion would have eaten the dravidians if they would have formed in India.
Kurgan origin is more plausible, it occupies a central position in the yamnaya expansion and archaeology and genetics support the palce as the beginning.
Sorry, but ur linguistic theory can be easily unproven.
North India is a land of farmers, the true comercial zone is the dravidian, and they haven't changed their language due to their stronge commerce.
Indus valley remains show more similarity to the dravidians, so, the dravidians are the original indians, the northern ones are the mixed with the europeans, as ther anguage and culture shows.
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@sonofuniverse6355 1 Original name of Iran= Iranshar> Aryan kingdom.
Yes, word isnt exactly aryan, but as it means too noble and pure and its similar, clearly point to a same origin.
2 I havent read rigveda, but in internet you can search those words I said.
I know that.
Misterious, still, its possible that an aryan traveler saw the sarawasti be4 the invasion. Indus civ had colonies over aryan lands.
3 Because those sites were abandoned due to the decadence of the indus civ, that same decadence produced the invasion, as the civ wasnt strong anymore for content the barbarians in the frontiers.
Thats like say that find no remains of destruction by the spanish in the classic mayan cities proofs that there was no spanish invasion of mesoamerica.
The sites described in the rigveda dont resemble indus civ cities, those were already empty.
I dont know any archaeologic remain who proofs the celt invasions, but we know they happened because its impossible that such a warlike people traveled without invade.
All yamnaya peoples were highly warlike.
4 Ye, there are sanskrit words due to be under same culture, but those languages are so diferent that linguists classify them as diferent.
That now you use english words for new thigns doesnt mean now your langauge is english.
Learn linguistics.
I dont know exactly where they originated, but its evident that the dravidian is the indian native linguistic group, and looks obvius that the indus civ too spoke dravidian.
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@sonofuniverse6355 Tell me, you know archaeologic evidence of all the historic invasions of India?
And you gonna say me then than none of those happened?
Assumptions? You are the one assuming that steppe people were peaceul and then suddenly became extremely aggressive for no reason.
Dont blame others of do the same as u.
You use migration because you refuse to accept your essence is mixed and comes from an european coquiest. As I said migration done by violent peoples= Invasion.
Aryans existed at the same time as saravasti and we know indic civ had colonies over them, so why do you think aryans had never seen the saravasti be4 conquer India?
They needed an invasion for conquer the people who existed there.
You think only civiliced people resist invaders?
Do you think when a civ colapses its inhabitatns disapear?
You are the one making extremely fool assumptions.
I dont know. As I told you, how many signs of the persian, macedonian, scythian, kushan, arab, turk, afgan, english....
Or of the roman, assyrian, spanish, celtic, hun... invasions you know? Are you gonna say me none of those were invasions?
I simply assume aryans behaved like any other else did after them.
You are assuming they behaved diferent for no reason.You must give a reason.
Yes, I know that there is aryan dna in both but less in the south.
Iranshar= Noble kingdom
Aryavarta= Noble land.
Pakistan= Pure land
Arent the concepts of nobility and purity related?
You dont see the relation because you dont want to.
So if the religion is what really matters, wich problem do you have in accepting just another invasion more in your long history of invasions?
Your religion is national, see how the aryan gods soon stopped being worshipped, in the end the indians assimilated religiously the aryans, as they did with all invaders, except with muslims and english.
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@sonofuniverse6355 They got attacked? What do you mean?
War is never in just one direction, there is always mutual violence.
When a people arrive to a new place and conquer it, thats an invasion.
Again, you aare the worst type of blind, the one who refuses to see.
Who are the main gods in hinduism?
Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva, the creator, the conservator and the destroyer, right?
Wich is the main god in rigveda?
Indra, the sky father.
Wich is the equivalent of greek Zeus or turkic Tengri.
Hes a steppe god.
And you know the best one?
Aryan>Diaus Pitar
Rome>Deus Pater
They bringed new gods, its proved.
But in the end, the local gods prevailed.
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Anything can be debatable, but with the current data to say that has been disproven is just a nazi lie.
Genetic articles show IVC has no the steppe genes that all hindus have today.
That totally prooves it. Well, that and the indoaryan languages, wich originated the theory.
Either you have misinterpreted it or he was generalizing.
Go to eupedia, that site says both archaelogy and archeogenetics proof the origin of the yamnayas is in the maykop people who migrated up to beyond the caucasus from the armenian plateau. Maykop was a mix of people from the tauro monts, iranian monts, armenian highlands, north syria, caucasus...
Iliad too mentions the existence of Sparta while the war of Troy, but both archaeology and greek history shows that Sparta did not exist that time.
That anachronist part could be simply a latter adition by the indians to the rig veda. Legends are full of anacronisms.
Or could be seen by an aryan traveler in India be4 the invasion. IVC had some colonies in aryan steppe.
Still, an interesting data.
I wouldnt trust him about the gods, he has a very prowhite bias.
I cant opinate about the gods, I dont know much about them.
If you know the hindu gods more than him, I guess ur criteria will be better.
And anyways, India doesnt naming a god Zeus does not proof anything, in fact with Zeus he probably meant simply the steppe sky god, wich any culture have a diferent name for and very likely and independent origin for the sme concept, anyone can see the sky.
Indians: Indra Greeks: Zeus Turks: Tengri
and here s the best part: Rome: Djous Pater India: Diaus Pitar. Those 2 seem totally the same god. He should have said that instead of Zeus.
If aryan invasion was so burtal ,why this merger happened?
In the most typical way: Invaders are a minority, so they end absorbed in the majority.
Turk invasions in India were brutal too, but they ended absorbed. He they could be said aryan invasions too, turks have aryan ascendancy.
Brutal invasions can result too in the merging of 2 civilisations. It totally seems its what happened on India. Many times.
He recognised he dont undestand well India and would have mistkes in his video and asked u to correct his mistakes.
Well, Bagavad Geeta is said to be part of the Mahabarata.
Is like If the Tanaj would be inside of the Iliad and Odissey.
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@siddharthmalhotra3699 hehehehehe
Happens in this debate a lot epople dont know to interpret the articles
No guy.
F is a very big asian macrohaplogroup and very ancient.
From wikipedia:
constitute over 90% of paternal lineages outside of Africa.
It is estimated that the SNP M89 appeared 38,700–55,700 years ago, and most likely originated in South Asia[2][10] or Southeast Asia[11] It has also been suggested by previous research that F-M89 most likely first appeared in the Arabian Peninsula, Levant or North Africa, about 43,800–56,800 years ago.[3] It has also been speculated that the possible location of this lineage's first expansion and rise to prevalence appears to have been in the Indian Subcontinent, or somewhere close to it,
See? Its not from the yamnaya invasion, is from the palaeolithic, the ice age.
Almost all eurasian and oceanian people are members of that group, the H I J K L M N O P Q R S T haplogroups are branches of it.
That only proofs that most non subsahrans come from a distant ice age ancestor in south Asia and that branch diversified probably in India due to the high population India can support.
That only suggests most eurasian people come from indian stone age populations.
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@mzadro7 Arguments against:
-In big human masses, is unavoidable that groups of persons start to asociate and elitist groups desiring to lead and privileges emerge. Those are the capitalists, they communist high councis are too capitalists. And as Marx said, capitalsits dont renounce to their privileges.
-I know there are anarchist marxists, but the spanish war is an example, they were outcompeted by leninists, anarchic society are in disadvantage against elititsts.
-MArxists says that just with the correct education people will change. The collapse of URS prooved that once state is gone, no matter the education, people revert to their old ways.
If you wanna create the new comunist man, I sugest you to genically modify people.
-The comunists in fact doent even want the stateless society, is just a bait.
Proof: Wich southamerican civ admire the comunists? The egalitarian stateless chachapoyas? No, the monarchic jerarchic with a big state incas.
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@millgiass That view can be easily prooved false.
According to your theory, a deeply religious scoiety should disapear after not much time.
See the arabs, 1400 years being really religious.
Or the jews, 3000 years.
So, no, religion doesnt kill societys.
Lets see the opposite, wich societys had science and big cities in the past.
Sumerians: Gone.
Abasids: Gone
Ptolemaics: Gone
Tenochtitlan: Gone
Science too has created the nuclear weapons that could wipe us.
I see more proof of big cities and science are cancer.
See the exeriments with mice. High population density reduces fecundity, there is a strong correlation between urbanisation and fall of fecundity.
Too exists a strong correlation between atheism and low fecundity.
I guess women need to think in a superior cause for breed, atheists tend to think the best cause is $, and kids are an obstacle for make $
Too see history. Romans be4 their decadence lost their faith in their gods and values.
India be be invaded by muslims lost faith in buddhism.
Now Europe los faith in christainism and is being "invaded" by other cultures.
I see too a correlation there.
You are just a Marx worshiper showing the hate to other faiths that your religion has.
Your religion has just replaced god with the state, and has the same amounts of stupid dogmas and hate.
Most religions arent as untolerant as the ones founded by bearded semytes.
You are the same type of person you are denouncing.
You know the Bylve parable of the mote in the eye? See yourself.
Stop projecting in others your own hate.
And seeing ur videos, just a small teen that beleives he knows far more than he actually knows.
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@millgiass I dont obey noone that commands me to stop talking here, and less a Peter Pan.
Not all are. The abasids, al-Andalus, the papacy... were theocracies with good life quality.
But certainly, most are shithole, just see the cuban, korean, venezuelan, east berlin... marxist theocracies.
Typical marxist deforming the language to make it fit to his deformed vision of the world.
Death is cease of existance, those shithole are still life.
Religion its far more, is too common purpose, virtue, ethics, organization...
I you are unable to see it, you are blinded by your religious fanaticism.
Of course its a religion, I could write you lots of things in wich is equal to abrahamic religions.
You of course denie it for avoid the separation of state and religion.
You are wrong, your hate to (others) religion is a dogma you believe.
Your videos list of games and anime is typical of a teenager. See Dragon Ball, the shonen by excellence. You adult? Well, a good example of how consumism infatilizes people.
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@nikoivanovic42543 heehehe, I didnt claimed it wouldnt work with capitalism, Yuval Harari says any ideology you look as sacred and shoud control society is a religion.
For my dad, his religions are undoubtly capitalism and science, he putted me Adam due to the prophet of free market like many comunists put their kids Vladimir, he venerates scientists as saints.
Lenin and Stalin were the head of state, very powerful and ruled until die.
That is a monarch.
I dont know the later presidents.
No, in capitalism people are justified by their hability to manage money.
There are many rich useless guys who waste their dads money, my mom was married to one of those.
Of course they do offer an unexistnt paradise: The communist utopia of abundance with no state and no social classes.
Its not achievable, state and social classes in big societys are unavoidable, is part of our nature.
The ones who think free market will solve everything are either liars of deluded fanatics, there is no panacea.
Lenin s mummy is not religious? And the peregrines who cam to his mummy arent a total case of pilgrimage to a saint tomb? ¬¬
Yes, he wanted to be buried but Stalin knew his power as holy site for pilgrimage.
In the railways in a capitalist country workers do it for a wage.
In egypt, tahuantisuyu and the communist countries they do it because the state by the holy monarch orders them to do it.
How much of ethics codes of people in capitalist societys are coded by The wealth of nations?
To insult anyone who doesnt think like you, even the ones who differ just in details, to think ur ideology must rule the wrld, and to kill dissidents and the inquisition aren't fanaticism?
Yes, USA wanna spread capitalism, I dont know if by religious impulse or just by greed.
Hehehe, hipocrisy in countless ways:
Say they are against opression> Crete autoritarian governs.
Say are against state> create all powerful states.
Say they are against social classes: Create a class of rulers.
Say they are against monrchies: Create monarchies.
Say they wanna free people: They enslave people.
Say they are against racism: They are racists.
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@Fatts919 Just by selective breeding?
Well, according to that defitnition, the hindu chastes, the diferent arab tribes, the samaritans, the jews, the american black slaves... were/are human breeds.
For certain, in Spain we say race to the breeds. So, what is race for you?
And human isnt the only creation factor.
Dingo is a dog breed that is not the product of selection by humans, but the adaptation to the environment.
So, if animal races can emerge just by isolation and adaptation to one environment, why not human ones?
For certain, one cracter of the animal breeds is that each has its own propension to diseases, that happens in humans too.
Why such phobia to recognise human breeds?
Ah of course, the homogenized world project with no diferences, no frontiers and no diversity.
Something whose existence is denied cant be preserved.
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@leepdroon I partially disagree with 1. It comes with merit, just with no ethic merit.
$, beauty, simpathy and social position too are merits.
I dont see women uncomprehensible, their motivations for me seem quite comprehensible.
The problem is that everyone says that they use unbelievably complex ways for test men, and I simply cant pass those tests. Too that they have minimum rrequirements that I cant fulfill.
Sorry, but according to my experience, socialization is
-With men: To participate together in a bunch of boring activities.
-With women: A check of achievements, for me thats not enjoyable, I always feel ashamed of have no achievements.
Im 33, I fear im too old for make friends.
Well, probably should try charity activities.
I tried to do, but pandemy started. Maybe should try now? Or when it passes? What if never pass?
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@deeznutz7064 You are crazy.
I know that organs market exist, but the communist party of China could find the cure for cancer if it would be easy, they can obtain money by many ways, they dont need the triads, and triads cant cure the cancer, they cant give hem more life.
China is a comunist country, they enable capitalist business because gives money, bu in the end those business men has to bow to the power of the bureaucracy.
In USA power is in the emrchants, in Chin is in the bureaucrats.
And you overstimate the powr of organized crime, in fascist Italy many fled to USA due to the persecution against them, an autoritarian govern can easily submit the organized crime.
Triads arent gonna stop the chinese bureaucracy, they must bribe them for survive.
I dont defend enterprise feudalism, is you who defends the return to the past, to a faraonic regime where an absolute god king is worshped, his priest scribes rule the kingdom and brainwash people and an inquisition goes after the unbeleivers.
All tha is too capitalism, the evil of capitalism is the concenration of power, and you dont want to solve that evil, in fact you wanna agravate it.
And seeing how ineficient socialist countries are, seems very likely they would collapse be4 find any cure.
Any san govern today knows that both socialim and free amrket in their pure form are a bad idea and is bes to mix them for compensat their flaws.
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@casperjoshi 1) Yes, archaelogy now higly points that aryans arrived thanks to the fall of the IVC.
I accept that.
As Mel Gibson said in apocalypto: Great civs arent invaded be4 they have defeated themselves.
2) Of course not, everyone who arrives to India mix with the locals and gets integrated, has happened in 2500 years of history, why not the previous 1000?
3) mmmmm interesting. IS true that one ethnicity can force other to change of langauge. India is the greatest example, see how a steppe minority made the majrity to leave their language.
Can be see too in arab, chinese or european colonisation.
4) No, as I said that just means that the invaders diluted in the majority of natives after 3500 years of mixing. Varna system isnt as rigid as europeans think.
Just see the europeans in america, they too thought mix with amerindians or blacks wasnt cool, but happened, and that in just 500 years.
It dosnt, one article says that >70 % of brahmins have steppe Y DNA.
They simply amrried to indian woman and accepted later members of other varnas who had talent.
I already send you an article that proofs that IVC has not the steppe ascendancy that all indians have now.
That proofs the invasion.
Thanks to resume me the content of the articles.
Do u want me to resume u the ones I sen u?
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@alangivre2474 Many conservatives arent racist and are ready to join others.
In fact I wonder something: Will those blacks who were raised in the hate to the white will be ready to join them?
The ones who share southern anabaptism yes, but the communists or the muslims?
He has reason, Ive been overprotected, and Im a loser. There is protection and overprotection.
I agree is nice to attack the inequality, wich drives to so many evils, and that extreme individualism is driving to the fall of West.
Problem: Doing it through communists? Just replace one inequality by another.
Pride is dangerous, yes, and communists are a certain kind of arrogant guys.
Wel, sorry if Im rude, is refreshing to not be bickering with a communist.
We know that capitalist lords are dangerous and should be averted.
But they control the media.
They have promoted racism and ideologic hate.
They have divided the people so well, that make them figth each other instead of the lords woul seem easy for them.
Too the last techs have helped them, now revolts are easy to crush for strong governs unless they are financed by a stronger country, see how easy russians defeated the kazakh revolt.
Facebook was used for cause revolts in muslim countries.
Should be easy for them to direct an inner revolt according to thei desires.
How do u defeat such a pwerful enemy that in fact is feeding with hate the revolt because they seem convinced t control and use it for their purposes?
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@aidan883 japanese are xenophobic, nationalists, have buddhism and shinto as base religions, are prodly elitist and submissive to their leaders, if they have a democracy is because conquerors firced them, and it fact it isn’t a true democracy, votes are supposed to be used to punish the rulers if do it bad, and japanese always vote the sane party, they think vote other would be to treason the emperor.
Japanese have a hive mind of sacrifice for the group, they frown individualism, and too frown feminism.
They inmolate themselves for war or protest.
Where are the similarities with west apart of economy and secularism?
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k. About no importance of religion you are wrong.
China, north Korea, Vietnam, are countries ruled by a religion: Marxism.
Indonesia, Tailand, Myanmar, India... still see religion as an important part of life.
You are generalising Taiwan, Singapur, Japan and south Korea, th most colonized and submitted to capitalism countries.
The rest arent like those.
More personal liberty?
You call personal liberty to the insane amount of work and submission to the authorities in China, Korea, Japan...
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فهيم يوشأ Stoning comes from the hebrews, not christians.
Ive never hear of any male punished for have sex with a slave, so that was enabled.
It gives them th right to live if they cheat. Nobility, wich liks so much to kill, killed thm, the commoners had other punishmetns for adulteress women., but death wasnt enforced by christianity in that amtte.
Jesus and his disciples had no concubines, they were the ones whose example mattered to christianity.
Have you read the New Testament?
Dont say Bible when you refer just to the Tanaj.
New Testament abrogates a lot of the stuff of the Tanaj.
Mormons are seen by the rest of christian as an heresy, they are a minority group, is like put ahmadis or azraqis as examle of Islam.
I can act like you and say that Islam enbles to apear new prophets, that ahmadis are example of that.
Dont say is lack of Islam, the widws of the prophet lived as prisoners in life.
Well, Ummah is living the violent initial phase of industrialization. Europe lived it though coloialism and the Great war.
So many young people produces conflicts.
Dont say clit mutilation cant be in Islam, the hafii mahdab promotes it and the hanbali sees ok.
It was an african stuff, until muslims exported it to Inonesia.
It help to solve it, sexual deprivation is one of the basic tools for make the soldiers eager of blood.
And you sound like a blind chauvinist with no self criticism.
History shows that muslims need no foreing intervention, they are very able of harm themselves.
Mot of muslims dying in wars are dying at the hands of other muslims.
That happens now and in many other centuries.
Dont say it happens just now, no western country is making as many harm to muslims as the muslims ibn Tumart or Temur did.
We are disussing about who has more amounts of rights. Now you have to resort that muslim women have less rigths for their own safety.
Is a way of see it, but the dont say that they have more rigths.
I dont need to convince you of that, you already are convinced, as the continous example of sex with slaves outside marriage show.
I didnt said you didnt have education, just that the families were unable of educate their sons for avoid the fall of the dinasty, with some exceptions as the otomans.
You? Sure?
Chinese had the mos dificult exams for millenia.
I know you love your kids, more than westerners, that is a bless and i congratulate you of that, that will give you victory other them.
Kids dying of poverty is not new, ibn Khaldun said always happened and is caused by the inequality in muslim society.
You presume of education, but you sem to prefer to avoid your own classics.
Someone said: Why West coquered the Ummah? Because Ummah is people of the book while West is people of many books.
It int sad that I know muslim history better than u?
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فهيم يوشأ You said hanafi.
I said hanbali and shafii. Yes, mahdabs diverge in that question, but shafii and hanbali are important mahdabs.
I know. I too know that they werent enabled to marry again and only Aisha had fame, the others were just like ghosts under their nikabs remembering the deceased prophet.
Yes, people treat royalty with devotion, and Id hate to be royalty, all the protocol stuff is like live in a prison, far more for a muslim woman.
Certainly I know almost nothing of Muhammad widows, but what I read sounded like be buried alive.
Well, be a nun to me sounds too that.
No bullshit, all militaries did it, to sexually repress the soldiers for make them bloody.
The pashtuns, the arabs, the burmese, the english.... All agrressive peoples and very prude.
If they were averagly married, there wouldnt be so many young muslims making war.
If you live in a rich place, dont generalise.
Stop accusing others of your own faults, the big harems and obsession with repres sex and female virginity clearly show how obsessed with sex you are.
Just a tip, the man with more registered kids ever was muslim.
The most promiscuous man I know, and too the one with more sons, are muslims.
Muslim women dress like that for protect them from desert, and from the predatory minds of the sex starved men.
Just see how in fact Egypt exported the taharrush.
I said their clothin was opressive?
Well, in fac to force them to carry it is opresive, even devout women sometimes wanna go without hiyab.
Still accusing others of ur sins, man from the society wich harem word comes?
My sister doesnt need to pass complicated rituals of sexual purity or have to conserve a precinct of unused good for be apreciated.
Urgh, certainly the perverse western media looks like is normalizing incest in porn, and incest is becoming a problem in ftherless societys who dont eve know who their brothers are.
Well, but again, do you lack he parable of the mote in the eye?
You are the society that says that default marrige is with first cousin, that cause inherited incest damage.
We have moral anchor, just diferent ones than you, mr xenpphobic supremacist.
Christians dont believe that only jews matter to God and that adulteress must be stoned, if the Tanaj contradics new testament, new is the one to be fllowed.
According to christians not, accordint to the council of Nicea, there were other christians branches who said he wasnt god. but th nicean branch became the wood.
Still, there were later christians as Newton denying he was God.
Jesus ignored the law of stone adulteress, christian imitate his example.
None of the disciples had concubines, example is extremely important.
Muhammad said to have sex with only 4 females, but as he ignored that law, muslims leaders imitated that having big harems.
You can see, example beating law.
For not be interested you talk too much about it.
Thats possibly your bigget mistake, you arent interested in the practice, just in the theory, you are disconnected from reality.
For tha t reason I dont read muslim boks of religion , instead read books done by them of history or other amtters, those portray reality, not religious theories.
Yes, and you are just a bunch of fanatics obsessed with rituals and killing each other for very small diferences.
Jesus is never mentioned in the Tanaj and the christins do great mind malabarisms for refuse to acknowledge the reality, that New Testament and the Tanaj are the products of very diferent times and societys wearing diferent values.
I m not very interested in the mind malabarisms that you religious do for solve all ur contradictions.
I love to argue against anyone I disagree but certainly I should argue more with christians but they are very boring, thy usually say their fanatic stuff of christ is the only way and nothing more.
Muslims argument well and are very polite.
Communists have certain good argument tactics, but thy abuse of the insult, the lie and the difamation, the play really dirty.
Well I have a diferent aproach to both faiths.
The only girl I ever loved was a devout christian, she taught me the beauty of sexless love, something that ibn Hazm praised too.
The first muslim I met wa my moms second husband, and he treated her as trash, he is a living compilation of prejudices about bad magrebi husbands..
So, although for my cortex both religions are the same shit, for my heart one has a far better paladin.
And that is another right christian women have, they can preach the religion to unbeleiver men, unlike muslim women.
Ah, and christianity neither promotes to hunt women and sell them like animals.
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فهيم يوشأ If you beleive that is such a wonderful life, put a nikab and spen you time hidden in a house commited only to pray.
For me a life of a cloistered nun seems like jail.
Fake history? According to wich scholars, islamists? Galilea was a place of cultural mixing between greeks and jews, thats why christianity is diferent to judaism and Islam.
How can you be so liar and arrogant?
14 centuries of trade of sex slaves in all Ummah vs 2 centuries of wife trade just in England, and you point the westerners?
You have no selfcriticism, im not surprised why Ummah is kept in inequality and injustice.
Worse in America? Probably, at least they dint chastrated the slaves, the process of take the slaves was even more brutal in the muslim side.
And you taught the europeans the slave commerce, in Europe slave commerce had been replaced with serfdom.
Im talking that no muslim woman that wouldn't have a family connection to me preached me ever. In fact the only ever not family connected who talked to me was a faculty partner.
And ibn Battuta was disgusted seeing other muslim cultures where women spoke to men outside the family.
Ok, better rights, thats the point.
One can argue that overprotection makes people fool and dependent, but I guess you want that in women.
I defend it because christianity doesnt promote to jail women in their houses and doesnt forbid interaction with other men. I would hate to live like that.
I understand women living in the hellish desert prefer to not go outsie house, but the rest of the world isnt a desert, so women doesnt have to live like in the desert, but you impose it for your imperialistic colonial arrogance.
Not even muslim woman wanna live like that, a devout muslim woman I knew once quitted her hiyab for a short time, and his brother took a ship for cross the sea and blame her.
How is the bad behaviour of my husband mom related to Islam? I dont know. MY sister was for 1 year the concubine of other muslim. He was far better than the one of my mom, I liked him, but in the end repeated some of the bad actions of the other, as not to return money. Why both made some same wrongs? Magrebi, or islamic culture?
No, christianity isnt 1000x worse, if worse, just a bit, both faiths are so similar.
In didnt called you presonally. This is a limitation of english language. With you I meant your people. I dot know personally how u are.
LIAR. History shows that you beleive sex is too between man and slave.
Or with kids. See the bacha bazi.
Western narcissisitic women are usually marxist or liberal, not christian.
Dont you realize West isnt christian anymore?
That a religion produces people that continuously refuse to obey it, well, seems like the religion must have some guilt.
In fact, religions dont exist, exists their followers and how they practice it, and islamic practice differs from theory.
So, think like I criticise you as followers. Your religion in fact doesnt exists, is just an idea of wich everyone has diferent versions.
And remember hipocrisy, they may say officially that they hate it, but if they continuously do it, then the society in fact promotes it.
Ummah had to homosexuality or kid molesting the same attitude that West has to drugs.
Officially forbidden, in private very practiced.
And see the infidelity, officially forbidden, in the practice anyone cheating his wive/s with a slave.
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فهيم يوشأ Proof? Simply search the video of kings&generals of pilgrimages.
Women could travel alone. Part of them ended as hookers.
A book of traveling women says that first women who liked to travel were christian pilgrims. And almost all examples of the book were christian or liberal women.
So, there you have, is your women who has less liberty.
I dont see be jailed to be better. I see liberty is better.
If they would had been considered inhuman, they would had been forbidden to rule, like between muslims.
Oh yes, the founder of a madrasa.
That was a good point I had forgotten.
Not university, university is laic institution, so that is european invention. In a medieval university you could say you were atheist, something impossible in a madrasa.
Im getting tired of your lies, in Europe existed instructed nuns.
If you must rely in lie and ignorance for fee better, is that because you arent better.
Search Hildegarde of Bingen.
Proof lts count rights that christian women had and muslim not.
Vote? Just Muhammad? Something that endured just some years doesnt count.
-Cheat and not be lapidated.
-Be a hooker.
-Travel alone.
-Speak to any man.
-Rule.
-Know she wil be the mother of the heir, unless she cant have kids.
-Be chief of an abbey.
Rights muslims women had apart of:
-Divorce
-Half of the husban money.
-Reject a marriage
-Not be bastard.
No, you have selling of slaves in markets for 14 centuries, that is far worse, you went to thir homes, hunted them and sold thm in a market like animals that show clearly you see any non muslim as animals. And that really happened 1000x more than sell wives in Britain.
No, in most of medieval Europe for most centuries hunt and sell people like animals was forbidden.
In other cultures a concubine doenst have to be sold like a beast.
And if you are gonna generalise all west for 2 centuries in just one country, I can generalise then the clit mutilation, the bacha bazi, the smoking of hashis, the forced conversions of ghazis and almohads, the turks family assasination, the minah, ...
For all the muslims. That drives to:
You are currently the worst epople in world.
In the past the angú or the hadenosaunee had that title.
So, stop generalasing, or accept that you are clit mutilators, pedos, conversion enforcers, hashis smokers, killers of your brothers, chastrators... And all thing I said.
Make generalisations is ugly and unfair.
Tell me, where in ISlam says that people could have sex with more of 4 women?
Not everything is in the sacred texts.
Eunuchs and harems were a fundamental part of islamic society, logic consecuence of the womanizing leaders paired with their extreme jealousy, they only wanted chastrated meni n the harems.
Again, you dont care of reality.
Certainly, slavery in West was terrible, but at least West forbade it, something you almost never wanted and still practice.
Ibn Battuta quote? I dont have here his rihla, I read it from a library.
Ibn Battuta is acknowledge as the greatest muslim traveler and hi rihla is the most complete description of the Ummah, along with the works of ibn Khaldun.
They certainly had mistakes, but are considered authorities.
Release would be only for muslim slaves or for the ones who could pay a ransom. But dont say whenever they wanted.
Yes, and you had whole indic and saharian slave trade. 2 full routes.
In average was better in Ummah, but westerners didnt chastrated the slaves.
Yes, you taught the western christians to enslave, and you said too that blacks were cursed to be slave.
In West Europe slave markets didnt existed in middle ages, roman church said sell people was a sin. Instead they used serfdom, similar to slavery, but people werent sold and in certain places could change of lords and elect leaders.
Yes, first hebrew patriarchs had sex slaves, those ancient nomadic people loved slavery.
I was speaking of christians, not hebrews.
Yes, they had same right, like to start a civil war for the throne.
One wife and bastard sons were a way of limit civil wars, in Ummah there were continuously sucesion and family wars due to the high numbers of candidates for thrones.
Yes, yankees used Bible for both justify and abolish slavery.
Muslims used Quran just for justify it.
Liar, Islam endorses slavery, muslims almost never stopped to have slaves, the muslim abolitionists were killed until USA.
You say me I dont undertand Islam.
Neither you do.
Muslim slave trade was enven more brutal, the chastrated kids, the people eaten by lions, the ones left in the sands for die, the long travels in ships, like in Atlantic...
Once arrived the conditions were better, but the travel process was worse.
And any non muslim historian can argue muslim slave trade was as horrible.
Not so lenient, but islamic slavery laws are derived from romans, they too considered virtuous men freed the slaves.
And subsaharians say their slavery was usually indentured work, a process far less brutal until the muslims arrived. I dont know, only heard rumors about.
NO.
If I wanna know muslims or chritians Ill read about them, not their books, wich so often they disobey and there are things not included in those books.
If you dont want to continue simply dont answer, Ill answer if I want.
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فهيم يوشأ That hostile climate between muslim and men?
What argument is that? Most christian lands were safe from muslim raids. A pilgrimage could be done to any place with remains of a saint.
Did smae??
Dont say that they have more rigths, put a list of rights that they had and christian not, like I did. Lets count them.
Less Goebbels and more ibn Haytham.
Travel in Yemen? Not surprised, but always together with a male relative I guess.
Or maybe they could alone?
Now I remember that ibn Hazm told that one female told him that when she was making hajj, she got advantage of the situation and practiced sex out of marraige with a sailor.
But is the only example I know.
I dont know any single famous muslim female traveler, and I have a book of western female travelers, the first be4 hegira.
Im not saying muslim women, Im saying that muslim men treated unbeliever women like animals with all the hunt and sell in markets.
Other video of kings&generals said that one rashidun general under the rashiduns got high the morale saying that the soldier that would kill the enemy leader would be rewarded marrying=raping his daugter.
And arabs cheered the idea in the comment.
Even 11/9 scared me less.
What stupid reasoning is that?
You know that ruling queens existed (unlike in Ummah), and you refuse to admit the existence of instructed abbess?
Most people were forbidden to read Bible because roman church forbade anyone outside cleric to read it, but women could become nuns and read it, ignorant.
And too most muslims werent able of read Quran for the simple reason that most were illiterate.
No, not 1300 years, ibn Khaldun alreay said that the present unequality of muslim societys already existed 700 years ago, like ibn Battuta said that in that time Bangla was already the pooorest country and Afganistana land of bandits.
Even Utman was killed by an embassy that went to blame the sacking and corruption of the arab colonial administration of Egypt.
For centuries the Ummah was on average better, but 700 years ago that was ending.
And ibn KHaldun said that poverty depended of the historical moment. A borning empire with good leaders is posperous, a decadent one with corrupt leaders and overpopulation due to the previous prosperous times is full of poverty and hunger.
USA was still christian when they abolished the slavery.
Of course Europe had sucesion wars, its dificult to count them, but Aamin Maalouf said that Ummah had more sucesion wars because Europe had laws for limit the numbers of candidates to the thrones. More candidates in Ummah, more chances for conflict. That ended riving the ottomans to make a law for kill relatives, so common were family wars between turks.
In times of Battuta&Khaldoun, turk dominated parts of Ummah were as violent as Europe.
The starting phase of each culture is very violent, arabs today are starting again.
That election of leaders dured almost nothing. Democracy was possible only when Ummah was only in Medina, once they conquered an empire they had to transition to monarchy.
Sorry but an institution that was employed just 4 times between thousands is stadistically irrelevant, just an exception.
You see how theory and reality differ a lot? You are unable to follow you own faith.
No, the list o insults was just aplying your own logic that everyone in a group are guilty of the sins of some.
Proof? Lets search... Mmmmmm interesting...
Hehehehe, what cunning bastards.
You simply evaded that prohibition making dhimmis or foreigners to do the dirty work, then, muslim employed the eunuchs. Like the mamluks of India used hindu torturers.
Thanks, you taught me that chastration is forbidden but you just find a way for still make it.
I dont know what theological malabarisms do the christians who beleive in Jesus divinity for concile what you said, but Jesus is clearly absent in Tanaj. According to christians God said first only israelites were the people of God, then with Jesus he send a new message for all mankind, so I gues they will say that Jesus preached a new message and new laws for a new time.
Doesn'tsay the Quran that Allah can send a message and later other abrogating the first?
Sorry, about clit mutilation, shafiis says Islam claims its good and hanbalis that is enabled. As I said, Islam doesnt exist, just a lot of people claiming diferent versions of how Islam is. Yes, other followers of religions practice it, but muslims asimilated it to the point to export it to Yemen and Indonesia.
You can talk how bad are christians as long as you want.
There are many things about them I hate.
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@enriquejavier8056 Yes. The written language in Sahel was arab.
Some africantribes developed writing by their own, but they didnt shared it.
A channel of african history says one of the reasons of afica being behind was that tribes refused to share their knowledge for distrust.
Aniways, see the ethiopian alphabet, its their own.
Yes, cities like Tombuctu, Nianni, Gao, Gondar, Sofala, Kilwa...
For certain, read about Benin city.
Their inhabitants wee obsesed with wall any parcel of the city, so the total amount of walls in bein was longer than the chinese reat wall.
They built mosques, the university of sankore is a building of decent size.
Aniways, why build big buildings that overheats with the sun would be a priority for those cultures?
And see the very special ethiopic architecture of buildings carved in the rocks, like the lalibean churches.
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@ailediablo79 A nap of 600 years? I call that stagnation.
All governs use blood and fear, you cant hate them only for that.
For nothing not, here you see how we are writing us.
Like Mongolians not, West didnt slaughtered the biggest cities of world.
Most peaceful? Talibans in Sahel, the enslaver raids in the rest of Africa, Nader Shah, The Gurkhanis, Aurangzeb, The Qing conquest, the dzungar genocide... If those are peaceful, how bad the warlike ones.
Why you dilike ottomans? The pax otomana is possibly the longest time of peace the Crescent has seen.
Things expensive? Now peple is throwing more trash than ever thanks to how cheaps many things had become with industrialising. You should see how expensive are things by artisans.
And Ill tell you something. The most peaceful times muslims ever lived was the western colonisation. they didnt made wars, they werent allowed to do.
hey became free, and started killing each other again.
Your critic of capitalism is very valid, the rest, you are only a racist who hate europeans.
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Chandan Matho Indians hate to travel is talked by everyone, even by indians.
Only with british domination they started to go over world.
Well, except the cholas and gypsies.
Not. Aryans werent neither european or indian, were asian steppe nomads that invaded India, as has happened so many times through history. Maybe they started the trend.
So, according to you, you cant accept science or technology, because comes from foreigners. Then what are you doing using this foreign invention for comunicate?
Euro supremacyst of course beleived that egyptian theory, but has no proofs in favour and is rejected.
Recorded history is often false, genetics, archeology, linguistics can give more reliable data.
Aryan theory comes from them, no history remembers it.
Vikramarditya is as historical as Arthur and no foreign chronicle mentions him.
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