Comments by "adamnesico" (@adamnesico) on "Understanding Indian Civilization" video.

  1. No expert, i found him 3 lies in just 2:30 minutes of a video.
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  2.  @lorefox201  comparative numbers, plis.
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  3.  @mainakmandal2003  2:30 and he has already said 3 lies. I don’t have hopes in the rest of the video.
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  4. You have a better one for the linguistic similarities with europeans?
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  5. The pasta theory is ur refusal of it.
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  6.  @chaitanyapant3248  I watched a recomemended video of that guy. I stopped watching after he said 3 lies in less of 3 minutes about the yamnaya, that guy has too much mistakes for be a good source. Liar, nazionalist indians are the ones who reject it for national pride, Ive never seen one that has given me good facts about. Yes, because when british raj dominated it, european linguists studied indian languages and then realized the similarity. That developed the theory. Previous linguists were interested only in either arab, farsi or sanscrit and despised the other languages. Its not a conspiracy theory.
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  7. Nice comments, but still i see unlikely that of peaceful assimilation. No historic arrival of invaders through khyber pass was peaceful, the own vedas speak of genocide. How would be peaceful and then suddenly started killing each other for no reason? Steppe peoples are never peaceful.
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  8. Not just basqes, etruscans and retians were too preindoeuropeans.
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  9.  @svanimation8969 Where? In all India. All Indian culture and gentics is acombination of aryan and other peoples. Source? The rig vedas, read them.
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  10.  @casperjoshi  and for certain, see what you said. Most brahmins come from steppe scholars??? Steppe peoples are good producing cowboys, not scholars.
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  11. They arrive without fight, thats the point.
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  12.  @dharmrakshak6735  As Ive said you, requency doesnt mean tis older, just that the group was succesful. A better indication of age is the presence of basal branches. The L657 branch of India is far from basal is quite recent.
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  13.  @vkk926  all europe has preindoeuropean ascendancy. But the languages are lost.
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  14. Blame a pederast is a western ethic, not indian. How westernised u are :P
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  15. Guy, did you saw the video or came just for puke nazi propaganda? He totally said in he video that aryans are just 1 of 3 basal elements of India, and speaks of the Indus Valley Civ, that totally acknowledges the rpevious existence of culture. Wich investigations? Investigations I know say yamnas and IVC were completely diferent. Liar, there are a lot of pagan religions still surviving. Only that afirmations proof you are just a nazi proud of his ignorance.
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  16.  @adityavartak6990  Hehehe, I knew it, people showing proofs against the invsion dont realize those proofs support it becasue they cant interpret it. Correct me if Im mistaken. First R1a is just a chromosome. It speaks about the distribution of father-son lineages, but says few about the global genes. Yes, R1a apeared in some unknown place, maybe Iran, in the ice age. But 99 % of people with R1a are from the M417 branch, wich genetists totally think comes from the pontic steppe and radiated in the yamnaya expansion. And 2 most common banches iside are brother branches: Z83: germans slavs, baltics Z93: aryan indian most common branch is the L657, wich comes from the Z93. If India were the origin of M41, the mutation L657 would be as common as M417. It isnt, is scarce outside India. Autosomal analysis show big diference between IVC, and steppe people. IVC analysed shows no steppe genes. Modern indian analysis shows everyone in India have steppe genes. There you have, Being civiliced? Hehehe Im being. As Conan the barbarain said: Civiliced peoples are rude because they know they can insult without being killed. Well, for me, if act like a nazi, is one. Nazis too twisted history and repeated lies for their own arrogance. ill send u links in adiferent article, thi page hide answers with links
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  17.  @simulify8726  neither are remains of the arab invasion in spain. Or the celt invasion in Europe. But tell me, according to you, a group of foreigners arrived to India and indians gave them half of their women and renounced to their language for please them, with no violence? Unbelievable. Rig veda speaks of violence.
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  18.  @simulify8726  for certain, if I don’t remeber bad, india has been invaded by persians, macedonians, grecobactrians, saka, parthisns, kushana, heftslites, arabs, turks, afgans... Tell me do you have remains of burned cities and mass graves of all those invasions? In the ones who not, you will claim they never happened?
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  19.  @simulify8726  Another curiosity: Steppe Y dna in India: 60-30 % according to the region. Steppe mt DNA in India: Just 8 % Why sch diference? Either -the arrivers were mostly men. That totally point to military invasion. -were more sexually balanced, but over time thanks to be the upper chastes wih more breeding success, their y dna became most common. Dont tell me the natives simply acceptd them as their lords and renounced to their own language by their own choice. Latinamerica is the same scenario: Predominantly european y dna and native mt DNA. Achieved with violence.
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  20. Liar, there are linguistic, genetic and historic evidence. Its so evident. Well, of course, nazis are well known liars. For them lie is part of their pride.
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  21. And yes, afroamericans have an average of 1/4 brit ascendancy. Probably the same as north indian aryan ascendancy.
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  22. Only one nfians believe in it, is just legends... Mmmm or maybe is real, remains of a very ancient indian civ remains, but no remains outside India found.
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  23. Speaking of apropiation having an english username, little colonized subject?
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  24.  @fredericchopin4821  that is u?
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  25. Another hindu racist who can stand the idea of be related to europeans. No evidence of killing the natives? Have you read the genocide verses of the Vedas? Archaeogenetic tests were done, no trace of R1a y haplogroup found in harappans. Such dramatic gene change tends to be linked to genocide. And just remember how diferent is the harappan alphabet to the indoaryan.
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  26.  @dynamitebsb4520  There were aryans invasion, the persians, sakas and parthians were aryans too. That you didnt found a archeologic proof doenst mean it didnt happened, there is neither archeological proof that celts, or arabs invaded Spain. Both were written in the same age, the dark age after the bronze fall. Exactly when its unknown, maybe with some centuries of diference. I already commented their resemblance. Both places of origin are true. The origin of the yamanya seems to be in ukraine. One branch of the yamnaya went east and installed in sintashta, those were the aryans. 5 % is still a invasion.
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  27. The created story is what you are saying.
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  28. Not debunked, the ones just say it are just either saying lies or asking fir not found historical remains
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  29. God, another video that will be taken down. 7:10 Sure? I heard archaeologic evidence of most if important harappa cities conserved intact, so it seems they left their cities. Mmmm a city rural exodus and then barbaric invasions. Like the fall of Rome. 12:52 i started reading the artsastra. Intro says, when it was written, it was enabled to change of chaste. The not changing you said is part of the process of decadence wich made hinduism more rigid and made many change to islam. 14:55 not true, a scientific american article says most of europe has basque toponyms, so seems basques are the last remnant of neolitic europe. 15:44 sure? Doesn’t celts believe too in reincarnation? 18:46 similarly? War&peace is a novella compared to mahabharata
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  30. well, it was in slow steps. >21000 bC R1a apears somewhere around Iran in ice age, R1a people migrates from their origin around Iran to the pontic steppe. After ice age with neolithic, various people migrate from mid east to the north with diferent dominant Y halogroups : R1b from taurus monts, E1b from syria, T from Iran monts, G from georgia and anatoly, 5000 bC russian forests, Khvalynsk culture R1b 4500 pontic steppe, sredni stog culture. R1a unknown date darkveti meshoko, west caucasus, not know main Y dna maybe R1b 3700 bC western caucasus, maykop culture R1b 3300 bC pontic steppe, yamnaya culture R1a & R1b 3000 bC russian forests, corded ware culture R1a 2900 bC russian forests, Fatyanovo–Balanovo culture R1a 2300 bC west of Urals, abashevo culture R1a 2000 bC east of Urals, sintashta culture. R1a. aryans central asian stepe, andronovo culture. R1a aryans So, yamnaya origins in ukrain, the aryans were a branch of them wich slowly diverged, by the time they install in east Urals they are reconizable as aryans, fro them thy extended to the central asian steppe. R1a origins are somewhere around Iran, in the ice age. A lot of things happened in the next 15k years, between them, they moved to the pontic steppe. The yamnaya are the result of the mixing of the sredni stog culture of R1a people in the pontic steppe, and migrants from mid eas from many origins, R1b became the most common haplogroup between them.
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  31.  @xijinpig8982  the chariots of the harappan were diferent of the aryan chariots after the harappans. Not found? Neither is a single archaeological remaining of the arab conquest of Iberia. I guess youll say that proof arabs never conquered Spain. Same with the celt conquest.
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  32.  @xijinpig8982  for certain neither has been found a single remain of harappan weapons. I guess youll say then that harappans had no weapons and didn’t practiced war. :P
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  33. A invasion is just another kind of migration. No people has historically dominated India peacefully.
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  34.  @sanskar4539  But true, for invade, people goes from one side to other, that is a migration.
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  35.  @DailyLifeSolution  its not disproven, that is just a lie of bharati nazionalism twisting history.
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  36.  @chaitanyapant3248  happened
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  37. Its used by linguists for design the 2 indian linguistic groups, the aryan is related to europeans. The dravidian existed previously.
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  38.  @dharmrakshak6735  liar, oldest r1a is from the steppe 24k years ago.
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  39.  @chaitanyapant3248  Yes, and hitler was an indian wannabe, he loved the racism and classism of aryans so much he tried to culturally apropiate it. If his arguments are of the same quality of the first video minutes, they must be wrong, ive already seeing other nationalist guys saying arguments against the theory without realize those arguments they emntioned in fact supported the invasion theory, they didnt even understood what they were saying. Rudyard says indochinese cant think holistically. maybe the average indian cant neither. Why dont you say those arguments? Or you neither understand them?
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  40. The fake racist theory is your arrogant rejecto f it beause you are too racist for admit you arent mixed.
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  41. Of course exist, archaeogenetic evidence. That it has More doesn’t mean it originated there. Prearyan india had no R1a
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  42.  @shodhitgoyal6539  vedas predate the invasion? First, who says that? If true, then they could be composed outside India.
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  43. Rig veda too says aryans killed the dasa worshipers of lingam. Can it be more clear? See latinamerican. The first latins in America putted themselves as nobility and forced the conquered to become latin.
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  44.  @svanimation8969  The britannica encyclopedia says that rig veda says that aryan were proud of have killed the dasyus/dasa, and wich those were worshipers of lingam. If you know so much about rig veda, why dont you quote those exact verses? Guy, comment the arguments, dont use a racist ad hominem, that means you have no arguments. You dont bully because you have no strength, do I remember you you have an entire chaste dedicated to war? kautilya had no hopes about indian morality, he thought a indian country could only sustain through war, they arent better than others.
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  45.  @svanimation8969  Why? Very simple, they never said they killed them all. They conquered them, and slowly the conquerors adopted traditions of the conqueredm as always happens. Very simple logic. So hard to use logic for you?
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  46.  @svanimation8969  If outsiders are the only ones who wanna speak about matters that you refuse to speak for nazional pride, yes. Diadvantage of refuse to be honest. Or if you are too lazy for read the rig veda. At least british antropologists had the curiosity of know your sacrd texts, something most of you dont even have. Wich divide and conquer? Divide and conquer is to fuel hate between muslims and hindus. Aryan invasion has no divisive effect in modern india. Even the dravidian speakers have basically the same culture than the indoaryans and are proud members of India. The few indians who are theoretically less descedans of such invasion has far less politic power than the muslims. And you keep using more and more ad hominems. You only saying: we dont like the theory so we dont believe it. Thats not reasoning. Thanks for proof you just feel ,not reason.
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  47.  @ruyaminrakluk  im not white supremacist. You are the hindu supremacist too racist for accept he is mixed with europeans snd probably speaks an european originated language.
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  48.  @svanimation8969  I know many things, for example what is varna or who was prothviraj, th one of the tarain battles. Southern indians simply dont wanna lose their own langages. They hate hindi simply as historical resistance against the north, Im sure tamils in ashoka time too disliked the idea of speak hindi of whatever langage was spoken by magadha.
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  49. Peaceful aryan migration? "We killed the impure dasa, we razed their 10000 cities." Didnt rigveda said that? Your system has an entire varna of warriors. ALL historic migrations to India have been violent. Mahabarat proofs how violent aryans were. All descednants of ancient yamna cultures were violent people. And you still say they were peaceful? Really? Harappan sites were bandoned be4 the invasion, you said it, climate cahgne, sobreexplotation, corruption... ended the civ. Aryans got advantage of the power vacuum. You said it, certainly he was mistaken in that detail Of course there is continuity, invaders diluted in the majority, the video said it. But gene analysis too show and be4 and after to aryan invasion. No steppe genes be4. No, rakigarhi doesnt showed any recent mix with mid east, the one found was around the end of ice age. After that millenia of isolation. Well, not foreing elite found yet, but I wouldnt discard it completely, no elite necropolis found yet.
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  50.  @ArghyadipGhosh  ah, ok, you admit it. Any way didnt rig veda talked too of they conquered the lingam worshipers? You guess where are the lingam worshippers. An unorganized violent arrival is still an invasion.
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  51.  @ArghyadipGhosh  neither exist in spain remains of arab invasion or of celt in UñEurope. Are you gonna say me that both gothic, basques and indians wilfully submitted to inmigrants and renounced to their language, and many of their women? Neither is proof that didn’t happened. If you deny it, you must then deny too the arab conquest of Spainor the celtic of Europe. He, even you could deny the european conquest of America and call it a peaceful submission due to the lack of mass geaves and remains of razed cities.
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  52. What is outdated and distorted is your version of the theory. No, it never said it replaced the natives, they submitted them. Yes, now has ben demostrated that the invasion was the consecuence of the fall, not the initially beleived opposite. Yes, and all those migrations were violent invasions: Persians, macedonians, grecobactrians, sakas, parthians kushanas, heftalites, arabs, turks, afgans...
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  53. 1 Not proven. All historical invasions through khyber pass have been violent. You have no proof this wasnt. In fact, rigveda seems to show violence apology agaisnt the indians. Maybe for you as indians who ara pacifist sound believable, but Im european, I know europeans and steppe people, and knowing that, that is absolutely unbelievable. The rest: Nice intersting tips
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  54.  @03.achyuthans39  Tell me, in west Europe there are no remains of destruction accompnying the arrival of the celts. But the strong change of Y haplogroups, the warlike culture of celts and the language change totally points to a genocide. Neither are remains of destrution in the arab invasion- Are you gonna talk me arabs never invaded Iberia? Or that celts invaded peacefully and natives volutarily renounced to their women and language? That is the same thing you are affirming respect India. That indians suddenly renounced to their language and gave their women to some new arrivers. And rig veda speaks of war. That is more proof than we have about the celts. Lots f historical invasions in india, tell, you have destruction remains for all them? Or are you gonna tell me all who arent found such remains are fairytales?
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  55. No record of savagery? Have you read the vedas? How do you explain that an inmigrant minority suddenly becomes y dna majority? The examples i know of that involves genocide.
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  56. Anything can be debatable, but with the current data to say that has been disproven is just a nazi lie. Genetic articles show IVC has no the steppe genes that all hindus have today. That totally prooves it. Well, that and the indoaryan languages, wich originated the theory. Either you have misinterpreted it or he was generalizing. Go to eupedia, that site says both archaelogy and archeogenetics proof the origin of the yamnayas is in the maykop people who migrated up to beyond the caucasus from the armenian plateau. Maykop was a mix of people from the tauro monts, iranian monts, armenian highlands, north syria, caucasus... Iliad too mentions the existence of Sparta while the war of Troy, but both archaeology and greek history shows that Sparta did not exist that time. That anachronist part could be simply a latter adition by the indians to the rig veda. Legends are full of anacronisms. Or could be seen by an aryan traveler in India be4 the invasion. IVC had some colonies in aryan steppe. Still, an interesting data. I wouldnt trust him about the gods, he has a very prowhite bias. I cant opinate about the gods, I dont know much about them. If you know the hindu gods more than him, I guess ur criteria will be better. And anyways, India doesnt naming a god Zeus does not proof anything, in fact with Zeus he probably meant simply the steppe sky god, wich any culture have a diferent name for and very likely and independent origin for the sme concept, anyone can see the sky. Indians: Indra Greeks: Zeus Turks: Tengri and here s the best part: Rome: Djous Pater India: Diaus Pitar. Those 2 seem totally the same god. He should have said that instead of Zeus. If aryan invasion was so burtal ,why this merger happened? In the most typical way: Invaders are a minority, so they end absorbed in the majority. Turk invasions in India were brutal too, but they ended absorbed. He they could be said aryan invasions too, turks have aryan ascendancy. Brutal invasions can result too in the merging of 2 civilisations. It totally seems its what happened on India. Many times. He recognised he dont undestand well India and would have mistkes in his video and asked u to correct his mistakes. Well, Bagavad Geeta is said to be part of the Mahabarata. Is like If the Tanaj would be inside of the Iliad and Odissey.
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  57.  @siddharthmalhotra3699  Yes, this is a nice discusion. Haplogroup F? Interestig, what is your oint about it?
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  58.  @siddharthmalhotra3699  hehehehehe Happens in this debate a lot epople dont know to interpret the articles No guy. F is a very big asian macrohaplogroup and very ancient. From wikipedia: constitute over 90% of paternal lineages outside of Africa. It is estimated that the SNP M89 appeared 38,700–55,700 years ago, and most likely originated in South Asia[2][10] or Southeast Asia[11] It has also been suggested by previous research that F-M89 most likely first appeared in the Arabian Peninsula, Levant or North Africa, about 43,800–56,800 years ago.[3] It has also been speculated that the possible location of this lineage's first expansion and rise to prevalence appears to have been in the Indian Subcontinent, or somewhere close to it, See? Its not from the yamnaya invasion, is from the palaeolithic, the ice age. Almost all eurasian and oceanian people are members of that group, the H I J K L M N O P Q R S T haplogroups are branches of it. That only proofs that most non subsahrans come from a distant ice age ancestor in south Asia and that branch diversified probably in India due to the high population India can support. That only suggests most eurasian people come from indian stone age populations.
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  59.  @siddharthmalhotra3699  did u got the link?
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  60.  @siddharthmalhotra3699  i send u my facebook
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  61.  @siddharthmalhotra3699  a friend of mine asked me to make one, but back then i had no smart phone.
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  62.  @siddharthmalhotra3699  now i have but don’t use it. If you gonna give me urs, ok
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  63.  @siddharthmalhotra3699  why? Why not use the one i did?
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  64. Still beleiving in Indu total isolation theory.
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  65. Its quite likely, the almost extinct natives of sri lanka look quite australian.
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  66. Next video.
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  67. No myth. Myths are old. Aryan invasion is recent hypothesis with many data backing it. And there is historicaldata that happened: The persians, scythians and parthians were aryans too. There is no proof that proofs that first aryans were peaceful and they suddenly changed, in fact they invented war chariot.
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  68.  @ruyaminrakluk  and those racist lies doesn’t change that the invasion happened.
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  69. Criticizing without giving new info :P
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  70.  @casperjoshi  Lets debate the 4th link. Wich conlusions you take from it?
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  71.  @casperjoshi  1) Yes, archaelogy now higly points that aryans arrived thanks to the fall of the IVC. I accept that. As Mel Gibson said in apocalypto: Great civs arent invaded be4 they have defeated themselves. 2) Of course not, everyone who arrives to India mix with the locals and gets integrated, has happened in 2500 years of history, why not the previous 1000? 3) mmmmm interesting. IS true that one ethnicity can force other to change of langauge. India is the greatest example, see how a steppe minority made the majrity to leave their language. Can be see too in arab, chinese or european colonisation. 4) No, as I said that just means that the invaders diluted in the majority of natives after 3500 years of mixing. Varna system isnt as rigid as europeans think. Just see the europeans in america, they too thought mix with amerindians or blacks wasnt cool, but happened, and that in just 500 years. It dosnt, one article says that >70 % of brahmins have steppe Y DNA. They simply amrried to indian woman and accepted later members of other varnas who had talent. I already send you an article that proofs that IVC has not the steppe ascendancy that all indians have now. That proofs the invasion. Thanks to resume me the content of the articles. Do u want me to resume u the ones I sen u?
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  72.  @casperjoshi  NO having the R-L657 as the most common Y DNA and more in high varna cant be explained due to merchants or scholars. That is an obvious change of rulers, like the saxon invasion of Britania or the european of America. "These individuals had little if any Steppe pastoralist-derived ancestry, showing that it was not ubiquitous in northwest South Asia during the IVC as it is today." It changed the entire genic map of India. See the positive side. Some thought dravidina s were just inmigrants from the persian gulf, like europeans today comr from mid east inmigrant. Dravidians were autoctonous, so indians are autoctonous to their land, totally.
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  73.  @dynamitebsb4520  and rig veda says dasa worshiped lingam. I only know that ceremony in indian culture, so i guess they refer to the indian natives.
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  74.  @casperjoshi  because youtube deletes messages with links. Yours are only in mailtube too.
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  75.  @casperjoshi  why they should claim yadavas are the original aryans? Anyone can be a cowboy, see how easily amerindians learned to mount horses from the spanish. Cowboys never have great consideration in european societys, is just another commoners work. White man? You are projectingyour racist prejudices, guy. Thanks for this chat, im learning a lot, i know few about the huge diversite of the... satis?
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  76.  @casperjoshi  why they should? Genetic markets can vary in a population due to genetic derive, environmental selection genetic fluxes or family success. Central asia has a higher variety of haplogroups because nomads continuosly have taken slaves through history, introducing new genes in their populations.
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  77. Composed be4 sanscrit arrived to india? If it was, then it was later redone for adapt it to India geography.
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  78.  @Deepak_Dhakad  Then was written after 1500, the aryan arrival. Or dates are bad caculated.
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  79. It wasn’t, you are just repeating lies for overcompensate your loser complex.
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  80. not really, improved some things, others remained same, and maybe introduced some problems.
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  81. Liar. In that case indian y dna would be in inner asia. It isn’t. In fact, harappan remains show no trace of the R1a dna wich is now most common un both india and russia and wich is native to asian steppes. And harappan alphabet would be the predecesor of indian alphabets. Neither.
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  82. Ehm, indian empires don’t last more than world average. Possibly less.
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  83. Aryan conspiracy theory is a theory developed by hindu nazis for reinforce their racial pride. Nazis love to twist history for arrogance. British neve needed such theory for instaure white supremacy, they idnt developed something similar to africans or chinese.
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  84.  @lorefox201  you started speaking of empire, not civilisation.
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  85. Chattel slavery is worse. There are peopl who defend the cahste system. Wirse can be said about it is that prevents people from working in their passion ,and that bad things can be soltioned by admiting people changing of chaste, something happened in certain eras. Forbid the cahge is between the things made Indu civ decadent.
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  86. We see again, bharati nazionalist. You are too much susceptible, you see racism where it isn’t. He only said both books are similar. Didn’t said one copy the other.
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  87.  @dynamitebsb4520  its very similar, 2 sides of chariot riders nobility fighting each other for a dispute performing duels, heroic acts, divine miracles and intervention... What you said are just the details expected from have been written independently.
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  88. Yes? Interesting. Horses evidence? link? The IVC chariot was 4 wheeled, the sintashta chariot was 2 wheeled, they invetned that. Well for be honest, not central asian came to india for 8 millenia b4 the aryans. Hindu kush are a great barrier.
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  89. Because harappan sites were already empty. The invasion was after the collapse of Harappa. Like the spocalypto movie said: great civilizations arent conqered be4 they have defeated themselves.
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  90.  @dynamitebsb4520  its documented, they say they killed the dasyus, they razed their cities. IVC collapsed, that is what motivated the aryan invasion.
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  91.  @dynamitebsb4520  they said they killed the dasa. Current indian low classes are called dasa, right? A split with the iranians (is mentioned in the rig veda? Yes? Wich verses?) would had been a conflict between aryans, not with dasa.
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  92.  @dharmrakshak6735  yes, just search info about the R haplogroup and youll see the most ancient remain is the boy of a mammoth hunterer dated 24k years ago.
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