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  1936.  @graham7176  I admire your faith. It seems to me you hold your beliefs with much conviction however I have a few points to make regarding your assertions 1 You say the Monarch is the Head of equals amongst the people. That doesn't make sense. If everybody is equal then why is the Monarch above everybody else? 2 You say the Monarch represents the people as required by british law. How so? What is your proof to support your view? No proof means your statement is just a passing remark and nothing more 3 quote - The Monarch is also required to uphold the laws and customs of the people of the United Kingdom of Britain and Northern Ireland, as solemnly promised in his Coronation Oath. No you have it wrong - the Monarch swears to govern the people according to law 4 quote - Government, MP's and Local Authority Councillors into office, who are put into office to represent and serve the people, Incorrect. The Monarch governs the people of GB NI etc via Parliament and consequently via the government, local councils etc. Governance in UK is a top down process. The people are irrelevant in matters of governance because the Monarch does as s/he sees fit. 5 quote - the people also pay through their taxes, for their service and representation, In my opinion governing the people costs money so the people pay the cost of governing the people that is forked out by the Monarch! 6 quote - Therefore Government, Parliament and Local Authorities serve the people through the Monarch as Head of Equals. Wtf are you on about? That's just a riddle! 7 what on earth do you mean by "the British Common Law Constitution" Great Britain doesn't have a constitution and what's with the common law? Common law is not even what i'd expect it to be - law that is common to all men! Lots of people have funny ideas about the society they live!
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  2301.  @nmpolo  now that's a great question how does the man on the street benefit from britains illustrious,. glorious past of empire and colonialism?? Maybe because the british people over the years have had security and the same ruling family for 100s of years. People in britain enjoyed the industrial revolution where work was plentiful. Look at the wealth of the UK. London is considered the financial centre of the world. Look at its aristocracy too! Unfortunately we're now in 2024 and the rest of the world has caught up with the standard of living people enjoy in the UK. So nothing new from colonialism and empire for the man on the street! However it set the example where other countries followed I guess. Regardless, the commonwealth still remains and the british flag is represented on each of the commonwealth country flags too. This is why for example students from nigeria (a commonwealth country) studying in UK can vote in UK elections! thye were able to in 2019 so nothing new here!! I think the issue here a lot of people like yourself have got to get over is the fact the UK, england, great britain is not YOUR country. The UK and any part of it is CROWN property and you haven't got a say regarding what happens! Feel free to voice your disdain like many other people and continue to vote but imho, GB/UK is a huge disappointment with the majority of people living in UK/GB leading disappointing lives. Maybe people like yourself have yet to wake up and realise the extent of your disappointment! You have it all to come I'm sure!! Best of luck!
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  2913. @Aunty Mary QUOTE - the question is why can't we just return them to France? Imo it is because if a person seeks asylum under the 1951 Convention they can claim asylum in any Contracting State that has signed up to the Convention. If a person seeking asylum wants to claim asylum in the UK the French authorities have no powers to stop them. That's why the Calais MP suggested they should be finding out why these asylum seekers don't wish to stay in France because that's all they can do. A refugee is a 'free man of the land'. Regarding people who consider refugees are illegal in the country, Article 31 of the Convention states:- refugees unlawfully in the country of refuge 1. The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who, coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened in the sense of article 1, enter or are present in their territory without authorization, provided they present themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence. Doesn't state any Contracting State like UK has to send them on to somewhere else. So they even have rights in the UK even if they are here illegally. In other words Farage should be lobbying Parliament to withdraw from the Convention or lobby the UN to amend the text to suit his words in that refugees only claim asylum from the first 'safe country' they reach. Until then there's absolutely nothing anyone can do about this situation!!!
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  2916.  @gintasvilkelis2544  where have you got this idea of 'safe country' from? The phrase is not even written in the Convention as far as I'm aware!! You're including the phrase at your convenience. Can you direct me to the part of the Convention where the phrase is plz and is used in the context that you are applying it? If you cannot do that refrain from using the phrase. "....coming directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened" absolutely correct, these refugees have come directly from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened because they haven't legally resided anywhere else since. Just because they stopped in France on their journey to UK doesn't mean that France was the territory where where their life or freedom was threatened. Asylum seekers in France can only be legally resident in France if they make an application for asylum status in France. If they do this, they cannot then make another asylum application in another Contracting State! You're trying your hardest not to accept that Nigel Farage is misleading and misinforming people to gain support and many others are moaning at the wrong people and institutions. Like I've stated Nigel needs get MP's and the UK to withdraw from the 1951 Refugee Convention or lobby the UN to amend the Convention details so that the phrase he and you support is clearly written in the document or accept that people fleeing a territory where their life or freedom was threatened can come to the UK who have signed up to the 1951 Refugee Convention. Or better still why don't you contact your local MP and lobby him/her to get the UK Government to take legal action against France in the International Court of Justice where they will hear a case relating to the 1951 Refugee Convention. The UK Government can then obtain a judgement to stop refugees coming to the UK because you and NIgel consider France to be a safe country to where the refugee was being persecuted.
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  2917.  @gintasvilkelis2544  Quote - Safe country" is a convenient (and unambiguous) term to refer to a country Let's stick to terms within the Convention and use Contracting State instead of safe country. Now, where does it state a refugee MUST apply for asylum in the nearest Contracting State to the territory where their life or freedom is threatened? The Convention does not state this at all. The Convention does not dictate which Contracting State should accept a refugee and which ones should not. Quote - So if France is NOT "where their life or freedom was threatened", then why "flee" from it? They're not fleeing France. They're fleeing from a territory where their life or freedom was threatened and as the UK has signed up to the 1951 Refugee Convention some want to come and claim refuge in the UK and NOT France. It's that simple and is something Farage fails to inform people of. Quote - But more importantly (and why so many people don't like what's been happening) is because the majority of these migrants (most of whom are military-age men) are leaving their countries of birth NOT because "their life or freedom is threatened", but because they don't like the places that people of their own culture That's down to the authorities of the Contracting States when determining any asylum application. You should be aware the UK authorities can deport failed asylum applicants. It's not yours or anyone else's decision to determine whether refugees can or can't come here, all the while the UK has signed the 1951 Refugee Convention. Like I've stated all along, if you dislike refugees being accepted into the country when the UK has signed the 1951 Refugee Convention then you along with other people who feel the same way should campaign to withdraw the UK from the 1951 Refugee Convention. However I wish you all the luck in the world with that because imho it isn't ever going to happen especially for example when you consider events like our involvement in the Iraq war, which engendered lots of Iraqi refugees to come to UK. Just think about the hundreds of thousands of potential Hong Kong citizens that might come to UK because they're fleeing China - will you want to turn them away even when we ruled Hong Kong for about 150 years? Maybe you just can't direct your frustrations at the UK Government because you know they're not interested so you direct your frustrations at vulnerable people instead? So come on Gintas, what has life done to you in order for you to get frustrated over a piddly number of people, who we understand to be refugees, crossing the Channel in inflatable boats? It's clear you and many others have chips on your shoulders. Maybe you're unhappy about a specific aspect of your life? Perhaps as times have changed you're not benefitting from society as much as your predecessors have benefitted? Whatever the case you're taking your frustrations out on the wrong people.
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  2918.  @gintasvilkelis2544  quote - If those "vulnerable people" make where I live less prosperous and less safe, then in my books, they are the primary cause of those undesirable changes, and the government's culpability is only secondary (for their failure to protect). (I assume you are living in UK) I understand your point but problems like these are a fault with your Government and/or your local Council and even with the Policing in your area! If I experience criminal activity in my area, it's the responsibility of the Police to deal with it, irrespective who commits the crime. quote - It's not a "piddly" number of people: there is probably at least a billion people who would like to do the same thing as these "early arrivals" have already done; and what's preventing orders of magnitude more people copying their footsteps, is the still-somewhat-present "deterrent factor" (the knowledge that currently it takes a lot of effort and money (paid to the traffickers) to get a foothold "in the lands of milk and honey"). Again take your concerns to Government, contact your MP, afterall that's why you have an MP! Organise a protest march in London and lobby Government to withdraw from the UN Convention! You do realise you live in a democracy?? quote - The majority of migrants, BTW, are coming NOT from countries, in the instability of which the West had played a significant role (e.g. Iraq), but from the otherwise peaceful and politically-stable countries, where the quality of life is simply lousy. This area is dealt with by the Home Office when asylum applications are processed. It's not a matter for you or I to say otherwise! It's a matter for Government bodies to assess whether a person is genuine asylum seeker or an illegal immigrant etc not you or I. If you feel the Government aren't doing enough then contact your local MP! Or contact Farage and ask him to start a campaign to withdraw from the Convention. The UK is not YOUR country and neither is it mine. In fact it's nobody's country - the UK belongs to the business of the Crown Estate or UK Plc and what the business owners say goes whether we all like it or not. The UK signed up to the 1951 UN Convention on Refugees! It's a contractual agreement! Personally I couldn't care who my neighbours are as long as they treat me the same as any other national and give me due care and consideration! I ask that of anybody irrespective of their country of origin. You really are wasting your time commenting on a YT video
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  2919.  @gintasvilkelis2544  quote - As for the asylum applications, from what I hear, even when they get denied, it's practically impossible to deport them once they are in this country. The Government has every legal right to deport people in the counrty illegally. If somebody has their asylum application denied they would then be classed as an illegal immigrant and deported. If the government has problems with this then that's their problem not YOURS or mine and it's up to them to seek redress from the ICJ or withdraw from the convention! and say we're not accepting anynody wanting asylum! quote - but I would make an educated guess that the 1951 UN Convention on Refugees does not stand in the way of deporting failed asylum applicants I can't confirm this as I'm only expressing my opinion but i woulld imagine if an asylum application getrs rejected then that person would be considered an illegal immigrant and can be deported according to international law! quote - One possible solution idea that I have: the UK government should make an agreement with one of the politically-non-repressive but economically unattractive countries outside Europe (e.g. Rwanda?) that would accept the failed asylum applicants (or even active applicants, while their applications are being considered) in exchange for extra economic aid. According to the UN 1951 Convention asylum seekers can apply for asylum in any contracting state they wish. Enabling a contracting state to send asylum seekers to another contracted country goes against the responsibilities of each contracting state as laid out in the convention. Failed asylum applicants should be deported to their country of origin! The cost of this is probably borne out by the UN. The only problem i can see with immigration in the UK is the fact the UK Government aren't investing money to deal with all the applications! In my opinion the UK government can claim money from the UN to help deal with asylum seekers, so where does all that money go???
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  2921.  @gintasvilkelis2544  You seem to be moving onto another topic unrelated to the refugees crossing the channel. According to the UN Convention 1951 people in dinghys have every right to cross the Channel to UK and seek asylum (even if they are not genuine asylum seekers). Once here in the UK it's down to the UK authorities to determine these people's status and what to do with them according to international law. If people come here and remain in hotels awaiting their determination by the Home Office and give the neighbours grief and trouble by committing crime in local area then that is a matter for the Police. if the Police have problems dealing with this behaviour then that is a failure on the Police to uphold the law. It seems to me you're directing your disdain and anger for the current situation at the wrong people. You should be looking at the failures of the UK authorities in managing the situation. I guess that's why it's sometimes called a migrant crisis because the manner in which it is being dealt with by UK authorities IS a crisis! This is the way I see things. It's all about MONEY! For every person seeking asylum in the UK the UK Government can claim money from the UN or whatever organisation. This means the asylum seeker crisis is a way for the UK Government to make money. So the Government makes the cash and does not spend the money on the infra structure needed to deal with the issues the asylum seekers bring with them eg housing, policing, education. Unfortunately we live in a country (the UK) where money is of higher value than people so I'm afraid you'll always have something to moan about because this country isn't going to make YOU or anybody else any happier!
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  2939.  @BritishRosie-es3zr  The Nazi Party were like any other Government at the time, they all act in the same manner; bring in laws to restrict movement of people, monitor the news outlets etc. All Government's enemies are the very people they govern. The US with its Patriot Act is no different. Name me one Government that increases people's freedoms from the state? You conveniently forget the main point of my argument that Nazi Party won over the majority of the German people because alot of people became disenchanted that non-Germans owned much of the country's wealth. Britain today is different. The current British Government led by the Tories haven't won over many people at all and still own much of the country's wealth and media outlets to sway public opinion!! This is something the Monarch and British Government have always done - own much of the country's wealth and media outlets to sway public opinion. So you cannot make a comparison between Nazi Germany and the current British Tory led Government because 1930's Germany was more of a reversal of todays Britain; a liberation of one control to another. The socialist German people took back the wealth whereas in Britain currently it's all owned by the Crown. What makes you think freedoms in 1930's 'facist' Germany are experienced currently in this country? Hitler banned smoking in public spaces in the 1930's. Are people allowed to smoke in public spaces these days in UK? Of course they are!!! But you don't even own the pavements you walk on in the UK. You don't even own the house you buy; you only pay for the privilege of living there. It's all owned by the Crown. In my opinion living in the UK has always been like living in 1930's Germany or even China and Russia. The only difference is the degree of control exerted on the people by the state. Because of the press and TV you're misled into thinking you have certain freedoms in this country but they are the same freedoms elsewhere in China, Russia and America. If I started a group in the UK wanting to take down the Crown I'd soon have a visit from the Police because I'm not free to question the legitimacy of the Crown!!!!
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  3139.  @numbersix8919  Well I consider the Earth to be a level plane but I do not subscribe to this 'earth accelerating upwards' idea. I'm unsure where Dr H got that idea from. Maybe she found it on the FE Society's website. Who knows? My understanding of gravity is that it's jst a word that describes the motion of falling objects but it doesn't explain why objects fall. To my knowledge nobody can prove why objects fall and hence, nobody can ever come to know why objects fall!! Bear in mind, science doesn't do proof or truth so gravity, although said to be a force or infuence causing objects to fall due to attraction (larger mass attracts smaller mass), is merely an accepted scientific theory that explains the falling motion of objects but this IDEA of gravity has never been tested to even exist in the real natural world in any scientific way! There's an awful lot about the natural world science can never know. Science can come up with IDEAS but those ideas, like gravity being an attractive force/influence, require proper testing to know they are correct! Essentially science is filled with hypotheses about the natural world that the scientific community accept as being true! However none of those hypothese have been tested to be true! That isn't science, that's skilful manipulation of information gained from observation to present people like you and me a skewed understanding of the real world!! Science has limitations with regard to the natural world and Dr H should consistently mention this in her videos! 😁
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  3202. ​ @twinwheels4717  sounds wonderful but you've forgotten that alot of people are making money and earning a living from asylum seekers; solicitors, hotel owners/staff, judges/tribunals, councils even Governments. Furthermore, expecting asylum applications to be carried out in 2 months is priti pathetic (excuse the pun) as one cannot process applications in 2 months especially when investigations have to be carried out. You don't even know the full extent of the work that goes into processing these applications. Large detention centres? What's wrong with existing hotels where the hotel owners probably receive big financial incentives for doing the Council/Government a favour and housing the asylum applicants? I'm sure most people would put asylum seekers up in their homes for a nice financial incentive. Asylum seekers have the right to use the full appeal rights of the UK courts. Even Owen Patterson wanted to appeal the Commitee's decision but unfortunately for him there was no appeals process for his situation. If after all the appealing, the application is refused, then the person can be deported back to their country of origin. Think we can agree on that. Let's hope they don't abscond while they wait for the plane. Yet we still haven't stopped them from coming over. This is the real problem, dealing with countries where the people come from. Sangatte was the location of a refugee camp set up by the French Red Cross in 1999 as a result of an influx of migrants attempting to travel to the United Kingdom. They were mainly from Afghanistan, Iraq and Kosovo. The real problem is that if UK hadn't have interfered and helped to destabilise Iraq in 1991/2003 and Afghanistan and perhaps Kosovo we wouldn't have people coming to UK from those countries!! You reap what you sow I'm afraid!!! Some could argue the UK owes these people a duty of care for ruining their lives!! Still Liz doesn't have to worry. As long as there's people waving the Union Jack outside Buckingham Palace when she's on the balcony everything is ok.
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  3308.  @hoxtondave9619  you make a lot of assumptions in your comment - me jealous of everyone who has higher incomes and greater savings than i?? far from it - the majority of people i know whether they have money or do not are so miserable and unhappy with their life it's saddening to be aware of. Let's take Farage, the man who's an MP, has plenty of residual money, yet is soooo miserable! Farage has 2 failed marriages, seldom expresses genuine laughter and beneath the shell is a sad, lonely old man. Look at lee anderson, he too is unhappy. In fact look at lots of other people, i rarely see them laugh, smile or express the qualities of being human that are good! most people who have money pretend an awful lot too imo, they pretend to love their wives/husbands, pretend to love their kids, pretend to enjoy themselves when they clearly are having a terrible time! it's all a show and one, i'm not jealous of!! and finally, you've overlooked my point that poor people or the have nots elect people to 'represent them' in the commons who 'have'. Can you not see the madness? but one thing i have witnessed over the past few months is that generally british people are self centered, self righteous and unprincipled! For example, Brits typically will express sadness that some migrants died crossing the channel but will not support the creation of a safe route to avoid future fatalities! Why don't these people just be honest and say they careless for these people and if they drown crossing the channel then so be it!! Oh no! They're all filled with sympathy and sadness, pretending yet again! One never knows where one stands with british people!
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  3860.  @robertanderson6786  I disagree. I grew up with nothing in the early 70's when there was no war but I had a peace of mind. I had everything life could offer me. I realised the best opportunity any child could ever have was being born to two truly loving parents. Nobody is taught that in the education belonging to the society you're so proud of, which is why lots of people live wasted lives. Do you think paedophilia was just created by Jimmy Saville? No. It's been going on for years, even during that golden era you hail!! It's plausible lots of children were sexuallly abused when they were evacuated to different areas of the country during the war but people kept their 'stiff upper lip' and never said a word about it. Have you ever wondered why there's so much dementia? Have you ever considered why there's so much loneliness in old age? We live in a society where old age is seen to be ugly; it's a turn off, it doesn't make money and the cosmetics can't cover up death which millions of people are frightened of in this Great country. The new young Duke of Westminster was more in awe about his wealth he attained rather the loss of his father. But his father was responsible wasn't he, being in charge of such a large Estate? Yet he regularly had prostitutes for entertainment and held regrets in his life. Imo he shot himself on his country estate because his quality of life was s**t. One won't get taught in school what life can do to a soul, instead people are taught rubbish. Have you ever had a prostitute Robert?
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  3865.  @shelleyphilcox4743  You type so mighty about how great 'we' are and yet there is still poverty, there is still sickness and ill health, (the NHS England & Wales being the largest employer in Europe because the population are sick and unhealthy; there's no determination to get the population healthy) there is still loneliness, there is still family breakdown, there are more single childless adults than co-habitees and married people, there is still child abuse, there is still misery and unhappiness, there are still people who laugh at others misfortunes and there are still others who make money from other's misfortunes, there are still soldiers who sexually abuse their fellow soldiers, there are still people who lavishly spend at other's expense.......etc etc. No doubt Prince Andrew can just say sorry and you'll forgot all about it? Pretend he never sexually abused young girls!! Sweep it under the carpet eh? When are people like you going to admit that your 'great society' isn't that great at all and only a facade of pretence covering up the real problems that nobody wants to deal with. Remember, you live in a society where a car salesman gets paid more money for selling metal than a person looking after a fellow citizen at the end of their life - how sad is that? Money before people in your great country!!! If you ever end up in a care home (and I really do not hope you do) you'll realise just how right I am in that nobody gives a ** about you!!! Btw, the monies charities are raising is a waste of money because charities never deal with the causes, only the effects!!!! They may as well race backwards!!!
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  4262.  @petergardner760  Our conversation seems to get deeper into the technicalities. So before you provide me with this case law that you're relying on here is some info for you. The UK Government’s position is that refugees should claim asylum in the first safe country they reach. The UN Refugee Agency says this is not required by the Refugee Convention or international law. Domestic law allows the Home Secretary to declare an asylum claim inadmissible if the person “has a connection to a safe third State” For an asylum seeker to have a connection to a safe third state they have to meet any of conditions 1 to 5 set out in section 80C of the Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Act 2002 in relation to the State. Condition 3 is that the claimant has made a relevant claim to the safe third State and the claim— (a)has not yet been determined, or (b)has been refused. So the Home Secretary cannot declare an asylum seeker's claim inadmissable if they have NOT made an asylum application in any safe third country prior to coming to the UK. Obviously I'm going on the basis the asylum seeker doesn't meet any of the other 4 conditions either. Info taken from:- Refusing to process asylum claims: the safe country and inadmissibility rules Research Briefing Published Wednesday, 08 February, 2023 commonslibrary parliament uk research-briefings cbp-9724 Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Act 2002 UK Public General Acts2002 c. 41PART 4ASection 80B and 80C It's not the Convention that states what I typed earlier but the Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Act 2002 actually implies it and this piece of legislation is based on the UK's obligation under the 1951 Convention 👍 Now, where's the case law you're relying on?
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  4628. @ 3:53 ships do not go over the horizon, that is a misconception, they go BEYOND the horizon. @4:39 that example could happen on both models @4:48 how did the ancients have known the 'shadow' on the moon was from the Earth? How did they know it was a 'shadow'? @5:09 many ordinary folk knew that water found its own level @5:37 Proofs of Round Earth? In your words, Pythagoras was first to promote the 'idea' of a spherical Earth....well we don't know exactly how he came about his BELIEF of Earth's shape. Sounds like an opinion to me not a PROOF. @6:31 Plato offers his opinion @7:17 Aristotle's opinion but he also promoted that heavier objects fell faster @8:07 that's no PROOF, just opinion Plato, Aristotle and Pythagoras all came from a civilization that thought of unimaginable creatures in common culture e.g. half man half horse, a one eyed monster and a three headed dog. If people in those days can think of these creatures, thinking the earth to be a globe and having space and an endless universe is no different. @8:38 Eratosthanes findings can be applied to a flat plane and a small localised sun (as acknowledged by VSauce). No proof there. @11:05 Longitude and lattitude can exist on a flat plane @11:46 Symbology or orbs do not change the shape of the earth Got to the end and still convinced the Earth is a flat plane. The globe is an idea built upon observations that can be interpreted in many other ways. And of course, there is only circumstantial evidence/information to support the idea or belief the Earth to be a globe. People prefer the dream than the reality!!
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  5412.  @Gary-bz1rf  Thanks for your opinion but I'm not projecting my views and feelings onto others. I'm quite a happy positive person when I go out. I see most other people in a bad mood!!! I only have to walk down my local high street to see the pain and suffering on people's faces - some look as though they're going to cry!! Have you ever seen pain and suffering in people's faces? Or do you just ignore it and focus on the money? You seem to not have much life knowledge do you? Do you not realise people pretend to be happy but underneath it all they're miserable - they have lots to think about!! I can't see how lucky I am living in the UK. UK is the fourth country in the world with the most CCTV so what does that tell you? It tells me people in the country can't be trusted. Europe's largest employer is NHS England & Wales, so what does that tell you? It tells me Gary that most of the population in England & Wales are sick and ill!! And what comes with illness/sickness? Misery!! If everyone was fit and healthy, happy and content NHS England & Wales would be one of the smallest employers in Europe. The UK has the third highest levels of alzheimers and dementia in Europe behind Turkey and Finland. Why is that? Imo it's because people have a lack of 'spiritual' wealth in their lives. It shows many people have mental health problems that later on manifest as alzheimer's and dementia. How many people in the UK do you trust? Do you trust your politicans? Clearly not because you wouldn't be commenting on this thread. Would you trust Prince Andrew with your daughter (if you have one)? Do you trust all media outlets to give you honest and truthful information? Can you trust your council not to waste the money you give them? The majority of people in the UK live in a dream to hide the reality that nobody gives a fk about them and nobody in their life truly loves them!! There was some graffitti on an underpass wall, it read, who cares? It soon came off the wall!!!
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  5951.  @danielcuddihy4273  Quote - Our economy is not shrinking by the day our growth is set to outstrip the eurozone and America so stop lying. Our economy IS shrinking by the day. It's stagnating!! Quote - but you don't like the country you live in which I find astonishing! The country is great, the fields, hills, rivers etc. but what lets it down are the people living in it because all they think about is themselves and money. We have over 1million employed in the NHS E&W and yet people continue to be sick and ill. Shouldn't people be educated about their health and happiness to reduce ill health and sickness? We have one of the best Police forces in the world and yet there is still crime. Aren't people educated about the causes of crime? Clearly not so what's going wrong? We have the best education system in the world and yet people don't have commonsense and allow other people make their decisions for them. We have the best policitical system in the world and yet we have a PM who consistently lies. We have the best Royal Family in the world and yet 3 out 4 of the Queen's children have been divorced. One had sex with underage girls and had a convicted pedo as a best pal. We have the best legal system in the world and yet people don't know the law and some people even abuse the law!! There's clearly something wrong with the majority of British people. I see so much pain and anguish on people's faces and yet nobody wants to do anything about it. The people in Britain make the country crap!!
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  5980.  @warmachineuk  but science doesn't say it's right so there is the possibility science is wrong and in my opinion science has it wrong about a lot of things regarding the natural world!! It's very simple - you either know or you don't know; you either have the knowledge or do not have the knowledge - it really is that simple! There's no room for 'maybe' quote - After all, that I'm pulled towards the ground is an assumption only proved by evidence you cannot prove anything with evidence because evidence can be any kind of information that supports a given IDEA or scientific theory! The evidence doesn't even have to be directly related to the IDEA or scientific theory. For example the observation of a boat's hull disappearing on the horizon is evidence that supports the IDEA the Earth is a globe but this observation doesn't prove the Earth is a globe as the observation can occur on a level plane!! Ideas, just like scientific theories require testing and with a great deal of scientific theories regarding the natural world they're great ideas but lack testing so one can KNOW the idea is correct! So regarding the observation of the boat's hull disappearing an IDEA has been put forward to explain the observation and that is the Earth is a globe, but no tests have been carried out to KNOW that IDEA is correct. In many cases IDEAS are accepted as being factually true and yet science doesn't do proof nor truth! If you think I'm wrong then answer the following question Is it true that in the natural, real world the Earth is a globe?
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  5998.  @maxfan1591  quote - No, I get the point. And so does every scientist, every historian of science and every philosopher of science. You haven't uncovered something nobody ever thought of before. why then do people think the model is true? why is it taught in schools to be true? why does nasa build rockets/satellites and launch them? why do people talk so much about colonising Mars? Why is there the ISS? Why all this when you only got a model or IDEA? Oh probably because people WANT it to be true because not only does the model not reflect the real world but the people who support the globe idea have mental health issues! quote - In the case of the shape of the Earth, the model of "Earth is a globe" matches reality extremely closely. Therefore the model is considered to be a close match for reality. Tks but you're basically saying that you are creating a reality. Nobody can create the real world or ever come to know the real world. This is why the globe cannot reflect the real world and only exists in one's imagination! quote - Stop getting hung up on the existence of a difference between reality and the model, there exists a clear difference between the real world and the globe model - the real world stares one right in the face and one lives it everyday whereas the globe model exists in one's imagination because it's ONLY a model or IDEA! If you wish to continue through life THINKING that what's in your imagination is true then feel free. I'm very happy to live in the real world and live life learning through my own experiences than other peoples!! But let me warn you nobody can evade the real world, so watch out! The real world will creep up on you when you least expect it and trust me, you will not enjoy the experience becase escaping in your model tells me you're scared of something and that something has got to be the real world!!
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  6003.  @maxfan1591  i guess you're not understanding my point - "For example a candle's flame burning in air can support the scientific theory that air has constituents and one of them is oxygen as it supports combustion! But in my view a candle's flame will burn in oxygenless air!" that's why I do not consider a burning candle in air to be evidence of the presence oxygen being a constituent of air because the candle will burn solely in air!! Imo that scientific theory should only be supported by evidence if it is the only possible explanation ie the presence of oxygen in the air. However oxygenless air can also be an explaination to explain why a candle burns. Btw 'experts' get paid money. If they expressed views than the commonly held views they wouldn't get paid and would probably lose their jobs!!!! It's called blackmail!! Finally scientific theories are largely supported by evidence gained from experiments that employ the scientific method. For example electrolysis using water, an acid (H2SO4) and some electricity will produce hydrogen and oxygen at cathode and anode. This experiment can be conducted numerous times and produce the same results ie hydrogen at cathode and oxygen at anode. One has repeatability and one can predict the gas products. This procedure is used as evidence to support the scientific theory that water is made of hydrogen and oxygen. However the actual procedure doesn't directly link the production of the gases to the scientifc theory that "the water is being split and is made of hydrogen and oxygen" simply because the gas products can originate from the materials in the water eg electrodes and/or electrolyte! Again we have an instance where there exists another factor that can account for the observation just like the candle flame! Such factors are usually dispelled without any rigorous testing using scientific methodology by the scientific commnunity because it doesn't fit the 'model' they wish to build. This is common practise within science ie accepting a scientifc theory without proper scrutiny and shows really that science doesn't reflect the real world and cannot be trusted because essentially , the understanding science has of the world is a complete fabrication!
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  6212. @bina nocht quote - so what do you not understand. Ronald mc donald Swears an oath to feed you burgers the burger flipper Swears to serve Ronald mc donald. Who's governing the grill? In your mind its Ronald mc donald? now you're being totally fcuking stupid! I can see your mental health issues coming through as you're comparing the Monarch to Ronald McDonald! quote - When the Queen died did you notice all the governance of the land suddenly stopped? I guess you fail to understand Charles is heir to the throne so business carries on! But I guess you also failed to see top people all wearing black for nearly a week and don't forget the bank holiday on the day of the Queen's funeral when much of the business of UK plc stopped!!! Here's the coronation oath the Queen took way back in 1953 Archbishop. Will you solemnly promise and swear to govern the Peoples of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the Union of South Africa, Pakistan, and Ceylon, and of your Possessions and the other Territories to any of them belonging or pertaining, according to their respective laws and customs? Queen. I solemnly promise so to do. Notice the word GOVERN Oaths are an inherent part of society because they bind a person to their word. If that bond is broken they can be prosecuted! Oaths are verbal contracts. What bit do you not understand? MP's Lords swear oaths of allegiance to the Monarch not to you. Here's the current oath for a police officer I (name) ...of (police force)... do solemnly and sincerely declare and affirm that I will well and truly serve the King in the office of constable, with fairness, integrity, diligence and impartiality, upholding fundamental human rights and according equal respect to all people; and that I will, to the best of my power, cause the peace to be kept and preserved and prevent all offences against people and property; and that while I continue to hold the said office I will to the best of my skill and knowledge discharge all the duties thereof faithfully according to law. Here's the oath used in the army "I swear by almighty God that I will be faithful, and bear true allegiance to his Majesty King Charles III, his heirs and successors, and that I will as in duty bound, honestly and faithfully defend his Majesty, his heirs and successors in person, crown and dignity, against all enemies, and will observe and obey all orders of His Majesty, his heirs and successors and the generals and officers set over me." If the UK Monarch is useless as you so misguidedly think, why is it top people in society and those who represent the establishment in society swear an oath of allegiance to the Monarch and not to anybody else? The Monarch also has the POWER to exercise royal prerogative which asserts absolutism in parliament! What bit do you not understand about these FACTS of british life?
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  6380.  @OceanlinerDesigns  From wiki Hawke's bow, which had been designed to sink ships by ramming them, collided with Olympic's starboard side near the stern,[49] tearing two large holes in Olympic's hull, above and below the waterline, resulting in the flooding of two of her watertight compartments and a twisted propeller shaft. From a post on Quora, communication between the Admiralty and the Board of Trade. The impact was more serious than first thought causing £125,000 damage to Olympic including bending her keel which meant she was unseaworthy. Quote - How many differences were there between Titanic and Olympic? Unsure but Royal Carribean International owns the Oasis of the Seas and Allure of the Seas which is 50mm longer and they are similar. Harmony of the Seas is only 8ft longer and looks similar to the previous 2!! I know someone who used to be a Chief Engineer and now works as a marine vessel inspector for an insurance company and he has told me it is quite common for two identical ships to be built and these can be swapped over. I'd imagine that once the Olympic sunk it was impossible to identify whether any insurance crime had been comitted. Quote - How long in your opinion would it take to "switch" the two ships? It's not for me to say but knowing that people are capable of any 'crime' paying off a good number of people, I reckon it could easily be done overnight. Lots of people make bogus claims on their insurance to get a new kitchen, perhaps a new car or carpets, new roof even so there's no reason it doesn't occur on a much larger scale involving business. It is unfortunate that life is a business for many people and all they think about is money!!!
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  6381.  @OceanlinerDesigns  Thanks for your reply but I'm not espousing the Olympic was switched whilst the Titanic was still being built. I've never stated when it was switched. All I'm stating is that imho the Olympic is at the bottom of the ocean. White Star would have built the Olympic knowing they would be building a sister ship. In fact they were building 3. You state - Removing 600 feet of first class suites and staterooms on Titanic and installing them on Olympic Yet the Olympic and the Titanic would both have had the same interiors - they weren't sister ships for nothing. All they would have had to change were consumables e.g. table ware, posters, promotional material, souvenirs. Remember the Olympic was knackered months before so they had plenty of time to plan. The bent keel could easily have been a result of the the twisted propellor shaft. If they had asked me to help swap the ships for a pretty price I'd have helped out and stayed quiet!!! Every man has a price, even Captain Edward Smith. Lots of people like you would even deny the possibility the ships were switched because you wouldn't want to think your educators and 'mainstream' have lied to you. At the end of the day you cannot prove the ships weren't swapped, you can only 'believe' they weren't swapped based on information that is provided to support that narrative. I've seen NO proof the ships were not switched therefore it remains a possibility the ships were indeed switched. Life is a business I'm afraid where money comes before people.
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  6759. ​ @msidc1238  1) If the Earth is flat then why do objects disappear beneath the horizon? It's a natural phenomenon that nobody can explain because the parameters are too extreme for the limitations of man's abilities. 2) Why is the horizon visibly below eye level at the cruising altitude of major airliners? Because one looks at the visible horizon and not the true horizon. 3) How does the Sun and Moon set? They move further away from the observer just like an aircraft flying at a constant altitude appears to fly downwards as it's flying away from us. 4) How can somebody in Africa look south and see the same exact stars as someone in South America looking south? I've never been to those locations at the same time to know what one truly observes. I mean do they really see exactly the same? 5) How are there two celestial poles? It's beyond man's imagination to fully know why. I just accept the night sky for what it is. 6) Why does the MESOS amateur rocket launch which went way higher than any weather balloon show curvature? A level horizon being distorted by the lens 7) How does gravity work? What do you mean by gravity? An external force or influence or perhaps a consequence of space time, the attraction of masses? 8) How does navigation on an extremely distorted Southern hemisphere work? I don't understand the 'distortion'. What distortion? What hemisphere? I only know of ships' captains and pilots and they navigate using charts, time and distance. Gyrocompasses help the navigator know the position of the vessel/aircraft relative to its starting point. Granted the use of land and sea based transmitters are also employed to help communicable navigation. None of your questions prove the Earth is a globe.
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