Comments by "Myles Platt" (@melsop54) on "Flat Earthers vs Scientists: Can We Trust Science? | Middle Ground" video.

And the scientists reply after was amazing. "It's not that I think you are uneducated. I think you are wrongly educated." One side believes people are misunderstanding things, the other side thinks everyone who disagrees is actively evil or being purposely lied to.
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Exactly. It removed all desire to actually think, and replaced it with the desire to seek out that which confirms ones bias.
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I smell a lil experiment that needs to be done... Someone needs to do just this and then claim they went up and recorded it themselves. I have a feeling there is no possible way it will be CGI...
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@Globeisahoaxx You said absolutely nothing in regards to my comment You just made up a Marvel movie plot...
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@Proclivitytolife On the contrary, my points of view have changed dramatically over the past few years as a result of learning new things with an open mind. Namely, the much older age of the universe. Also, my faith remains unchallenged by that fact.
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100% spot on. I picked up on that too. Grief is a powerful thing, and I hate that she had to experience that at what seems like far too young an age. But it absolutely has played a major role in cementing her viewpoint. To tell her she is wrong is to tell her her deceased husband is wrong (in her eyes), and that is, understandably, WAY too hard to hear.
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Particularly with the lady, in addition to religion, it is quite clear that the death of her husband played a MASSIVE role in pushing her there. There is zero doubt in my mind that she went full throttle with it when he passed as a way to keep his memory alive with her. And she's as outspoken as she is about it here because, I'd wager everything I have, that to tell her she is wrong on it is to tell her her deceased husband was wrong. And that is NOT an easy thing to accept. None the less, the point stands, logic did not lead her there. Religion and grief did.
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So the big difference between the two sides here is that one has an iron fisted commitment to their presupposed world view, and it is VERY hard, if not impossible, to shift them from it. In fact, they won't even entertain anything that challenges it. You notice this with that first conversation. The bible says XYZ, so we HAVE to take that literally. That is to say, they have the answer, so the information received can ONLY serve to confirm that presupposed idea. Not challenge it. The other side has zero issues with changing their entire worldview if the evidence demands it. There is no iron fisted grip on one way of thinking.
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@DallaS.88 OH for sure. The confirmation bias bbecomes highly enforced lol!
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Next time a flat earther tells you the earth must be a disk because the horizon is not curved, hand them a round pizza pan and ask them to find the straight edge. It's the same logic.
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@melodydito4723 It's really not. Find any psychologist and show them this video. Topic itself aside. I'd wager $1000 they would immediately determine it was most likely her husband's passing that cemented her views. Sure, she was already leaning that way, but she jumped in head first after he passed.
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@Lichtblick1 Correct, but the overwhelming physical evidence of a spherical earth and massive universe is what produces the overwhelming agreement.
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@Globeishoaxx it is not a statement of a crime. It's a statement that one believes they are being lied to. Simply claiming it doesn't make it true. Show me irrefutable proof of your claim.
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@Lichtblick1 I'm happy to provide. Are you willing to consider what is provided? Or will you immediately dismiss it without thought?
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Even worse, being told you must have gone through ALL of that, an absolute marathon of schooling and studying, passing the tests, pulling all nighters, taking on the massive loans...to then get an offer letter to sit in a room and lie to the world and I guess play solitaire all day...
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Watched a Professor Dave video that perfectly demonstrated this tonight. Prof Dave was explaining to this guy that he and himself together could purchase this flight ticket on a flight path that this Flerf INSISTED did not exist.
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23:10 Not to mention you are presuming insanely evil motives to 100's of thousands of people you have never met and never will. That is madness.
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@nagranoth_ OH I'm not arguing that. Having several flerfs in my own family, and know several others within my circle of friends (people I know who are friends of friends kinda thing), the last thing they do is any kind of actual research. As wIth all of em, they begin with the conclusion they want and then grasp at anything that seems to confirm it.
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@Globeisahoaxx What is your evidence for these outer realms?
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@Globeisahoaxx x
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@Globeisahoaxx What the heck are you even saying?
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@Globeisahoaxx And again, where are you seeing multiple suns and moons around earth?
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@Globeisahoaxx As you know what a star is definitionally, please explain what it is and how the sun and say...Mars are the same definitionally? I trust you understand I can't just google it as I'm sure Google will provide me the lie that they are different. So I'm hoping you won't send me there...but I'm also hoping, as a matter of fair and open research, you don't only send me to sources that simply tell me what you are telling me verbatim. That is to say, I would like sources that have done thorough research with a variety of any testing instruments that have concluded the same results across multiple experiments. I'm not asking to just here "The other explanation doesn't make sense, so they have to be.".
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@Globeisahoaxx No. These are not starts. They are distinctly not stars. They are planets like earth is. They are made up of different things, but they are no more stars than earth is a star. The sun is a star. I need some concrete proof that these things you refer to are stars and not something you heard somewhere. What hard evidence do you have to demonstrate that Mars is a star?
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@Globeisahoaxx You are proving nothing. All you are doing is stating your opinion. I'll ask a final time. Please provide actual proof of your claim.
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@Globeisahoaxx But why would those social media sites allow flat earth content that could expose the lie? Seems like a pretty big liability no?
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@Globeisahoaxx But why wouldn't they all restrict? It's such a massive conspiracy to keep under wraps successfully, why would they allow anyone to uncover it at all? How does anyone survive uttering a word about it? We are talking about a conspiracy to hide reality itself. There is a massive liability in letting anyone speak. Why would they allow it?
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@Globeisahoaxx What I am asking is, if NASA and scientific institutions the world over, and every government in existence is all working together to hide this, and they have done so SO effectively that literal BILLIONS of people have been fooled, why would they forget to stop the amateur sleuth on Youtube? Seems that would be quite a precarious place to be lax on security no?
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"We are being mislead" is not evidence. It is a statement of disagreement.
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@Lichtblick1 I'm not a troll, that's for sure. My names Darren. Like I'm happy to provide what you're asking for. But I won't spend the time doing it if your a brick wall about it. All I ask.
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@Lichtblick1 My apologies. I can understand language barriers lol! What I meant by that is being unwilling to absorb or accept anything presented anyway. But before I begin, I would like to clarify your position exactly. Is yours more a Christian Scriptural interpretation of everything around us? We may have some common ground there, I'm just trying to understand where your foundation for this is.
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@Lichtblick1 I was prepared lol! I might have missed a response though. To begin, does the foundation of your position rest on the Bible? I just want to know where you are coming from.
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@Lichtblick1 Also, with all due respect, perhaps assuming you already knew everything could be an issue. No one knows everything.
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@Lichtblick1 I do await your response. I'm not trolling, I'm not trying to be disrespectful.
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The underlying idea in their head here is that consensus means simply that everyone gets together in a room and goes "Ok, so we all agree here? Cool, it's in the book!" with zero research, zero study, zero anything. Just pure popular opinion. When reality, of course, is that the consensus is decided based on thoroughly researched and conclusive facts. You drop a ball from a plane, that ball goes down. Every time without fail. No conspiracy needed.
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17:30 It's not that consensus always wins. It's that, generally, the consensus is on the side with overwhelming irrefutable evidence, and that evidence wins. The consensus is that the sky looks blue on a clear day. You can swear up and down it's pitch black at 12pm. You can fight the consensus all you want. It will still prevail because the cold hard facts support it.
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