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Comments by "Ronin Dave" (@RoninDave) on "Fox News: Westboro Baptist Church is Left-Wing Cult" video.
dear god, please shut up you simpleminded moron. That does not make him part of the left wing. Only spoon-fed Fox watching morons think that and that is because Fox don't them that.
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the majority of your last comments are just quotes from me with barely a sentence from you in rebuttal which is hardly a rebuttal worth commenting on. The fact that you use such phrases as "typical liberal defense" shows your childish mindset. What is a typical liberal defense and how do you know I'm a typical liberal. You are just making assumptions which is what you have been doing thru-out rather making a real argument. What little you have presented I have already countered. Try harder.
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TYT is an internet media site whereas Fox News pretends to be a legit news agency. There is a difference. And what does the military grade weapons buyback have to do with this story? Clutching at straws? I wasn't aware that rocket launchers were not considered military grade regardless of their firing capacity.
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it's unfortunate. Look at public debate 30 years or more so ago. It was nowhere near this ridiculous or "trigger-charged." You could say it goes both ways but really the left is just getting involved whereas the right has been at it for quite sometime partially as far back as the Southern Strategy in the late 60s but really in the mid-90s with the rise of conservative talk radio which paved the way for Fox News.
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I don't need to have an answer. You don't understand how debate works. Nazis as rightwing has been a long established fact. You guys are the ones claiming the contrary. In order to do so, you have to provide evidence to support this and just the word socialism in the acronym in Nazi is not enough. I don't need to prove what is already widely-accepted except for a relatively few Fox followers.
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very true. Despite the contradictions and flying in the face of logic, they will label anything they think of as evil as left wing because they have a warlike mentality of "us vs them." Ultra-Conservatives will label mass shooters liberals than later say liberals are scared of guns having never owned them despite the obvious contradiction of their own making. They'll say liberals hate God then call the WBC liberals. It makes no sense! They are ideological insane
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no they have attacked Islam on a number of occasions or rather islamic fundamentalists as they have with christian and jewish fundamentalists. In short you are either mistaken or blatantly lying
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It doesn't matter what Hitler said, dummy! Or hasn't over 60 years of hindsight taught you that already? What matters is what he actually did and believed. This may come as a shock to you but world leaders have been known to lie sometimes
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and yet the Nazis hated Marxists and Communists weird that, huh? Probably because modern day conservatives are too ignorant to understand history or that words just by themselves are meaningless. People have called themselves Christian yet have broken every commandment&law there is. Even staunch conservatives of the past have supported forms of socialism. The problem is today Fox&their ilk has brainwashed people confusing the terms.
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no he wasn't. He originally said he supported the workers to woo them away from Marxists then under the Nazis labor unions were abolished and the right to strike done away with. And his government was one of autocratic rule with most of the power residing in one person which is more of rightwing sentiment.
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what is my ideology? Have I stated any? No, you are already jumping the gun because I was pointing out that you were in error or were blatantly lying which I am more leaning towards now. By calling me liberal you are basically throwing mud from a conservative point of view since they think of the word liberal as a dirty word. As it is, I'm independent but I see Fox for the propaganda machine that they are
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It is not a matter semantics but history. No one until recently has ever suggested that the NAzis were anything but rightwing. It's just Fox and their moronic viewership who think the "socialism" in the name (but not ideology or action) of the NAzis makes them lefties.
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wrong again? And where is your proof? You cannot say someone is wrong and that's it. That's how a child argues which is what you have been doing here. MLKJr supported democrats when the democrats embraced Civil Rights which is what started the switching of the parties. To this day democrats have reenslaved the blacks as voter stock? What does that even mean? You keep babbling nonsensical talking points. Try to construct a response that is more your own words and less mine, k? You're failing.
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Left/Right has become confused but what Fox&conservative pundits are doing is disturbing. It's propaganda&brainwashing with a wartime footing. They have convinced their followers that they are at war with liberals so anyone deemed as evil - Hitler, WBC, mass shooters - is labeled as a leftie liberal in order to fan the flames of the visceral hatred this core group of conservatives have for anyone they perceive as "liberal" which basically means "enemy." You can't reason with this mindset
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shut up, you idiot! What does that have to do with this story, you shallow muppet? FFS this isn't a fashion show. Go watch American Idol
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because...why?
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but he was no Hitler. Better comparison - Bob Doyle Republican presidential candidate 1996, fought and was wounded in WWII. He is rightwing but lefties don't necessarily say he's a Nazi because of this whereas this is what Fox is doing with liberals
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Hitler said he was a lot of things. He schtick was swaying the masses into following him no matter. His actual actions, beliefs, and policies were more inline with extreme rightwing philosophy. No one thought otherwise until more recent times when a few American conservatives desperate to feed their brainwashed followers started claiming Hitler was leftwing because of the word socialism in the Nazi party name. Sorry but the majority of the world's opinion is against for good reason
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still waiting for a real argument. Nothing you have written is worthy of comment. Keep trying
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and Nazis had nothing to do with the Left Wing or Liberalism regardless of having the word "socialism" in their name. No one thought of them as anything other than far right until very recently when American conservatives in desperation to feed the frenzy of their dwindling ranks starting saying Hitler was left wing. No one other than this small group of intellectually challenged individuals believes that
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right and left have more to do than just with economics. The fact is the majority of the world both academic and general view Hitler&Nazis as representing extreme rightwing sentiments. It was only relatively recently&only in America amongst the US rightwing that people started to call Hitler leftwing. If Fox&other righting pundits hadn't started this&continued to echo this, it wouldn't even be a talking point.
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No, you aren't. It isn't just a matter of economics or of dictionary definitions, you simpleminded buffoon. - it's of ideology which what I said is of the right wing. I'm sorry but once again as always you and your small group are reality-challenged individuals. No one outside of your group or outside of the US will even entertain such a ridiculous notion.
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that's pretty much the game plan and unfortunately it works with their viewers because they'll pretty much buy anything Fox&other rightwing pundits sell them. 15-20 years ago no one would serious suggest that WBC or Hitler were even remotely left wing. Fox lost face with the re-election so they are desperate to keep their masses addicted to their propaganda
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so? That doesn't make him a left winger. He probably just hates Mormons. Hitler liked dogs. It didn't make him any less of a monster
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and can you actually offer an argument that Hitler was extreme left wing which contradicts the longheld notion of right&left wings. Only recently and only in the US is Hitler even remotely thought of as left wing. People are just really dumb in the US
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"if I remember correctly" is not a good way to make an argument. Being for or against capitalism does not make one completely right or left wing. It has more to do with the method of control and philosophy behind it. BTW the "socialism" in the name of NAZI has nothing to do with real socialism. No wonder ever thought of the Nazis as anything but rightwing until very recently when some conservatives thought themselves clever when they saw the word socialism in the acronym of Nazi. Not buying it
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Yes and Republicans freed the slaves. Times have changed. Republicans courted southerners opposed to Civil Rights and the parties changed significantly. Southern Strategy - look it up. The nazis were not socialists in your simpleminded view of what socialism is. Nazis were extreme rightwing - their aristocratic social hierarchy and authoritarianism is proof of that. Hardly anything you have written is supported by proof. You are arguing from emotion not logic. Try harder.
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Marx didn't kill anyone. He was dead long before the Russian Revolution and never would have recommended for either Russia or China because they had not gone thru the necessary evolution of society and economies. As it was both Stalin and Mao used elements of Marx for their own autocratic-style of governments. And socialism doesn't equal left wing automatically. Your ignorance of history aside, many rightwingers of the 19th and early 20th century believed in a form of socialism
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Only recently&only in the US amongst hardline conservatives has the idea that Hitler was a leftie been thrown out there. This is just another desperate attempt by Fox&rightwing pundits to smear their opponents and further demonize the boogeyman of Liberalism in the brainwashed minds of their followers. It's sad to see how angry, afraid, and lost these people have become and a lot of it is due to rightwing pundits like Fox.
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yes because they are fanning the flames of ideological warfare amongst their dwindling followers. Anything seen as evil will be blanketed with the label left wing/liberal. Logic doesn't factor into this. This is war afterall and the great enemy is the liberals in their minds. Because Hitler is generally seen as the epitome of evil he therefore must be labeled a liberal for the fight today. Fox&other neo-con pundits are evil manipulators while their followers are brainwashed insane sheep.
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they try to deceive people? Oh, boy, aren't you a little tinfoil hat wearing bundle of joy?
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but the thing is Fox takes a more complicate issue tries to oversimplify it in order to make their opponents seem worse. In the past when people called Hitler rightwing, they didn't think of someone like Reagan as being like him but that is what Fox is trying to do - convince their followers that liberals=nazis and therefor evil.
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No, this idea of Hitler being a left wing in a pathetic attempt to make stab at liberals today only came about in recent times. The majority of that comes from the simple-minded look at the word socialism. The beliefs and policies of Hitler and the Nazis is far more adhering to what is classically seen as far right mentality. They could have called themselves Leftie Commie Pinko Fags for all that it mattered but you lot are easily confused by big words you don't understand
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and yet left wingers don't want God in government or public school which the WBC claim is the reason why God hates the US. Also the left generally supports gay marriage which is another reason WBC says God hates the US. Do you not see the obvious contradiction in your simple-minded argument?
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tell me how that's not a stupid question especially using a question mark.
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The Nazis banned labor union, collective bargaining, and the right to strike. The Nazi Charter of Labor gave power to the employer not the worker and the employer was answerable to the Nazis. It was more of a capitalistic aristocracy with heavy emphasis on typical rightwing sentiments - nationalism, racial superiority over others, competition rather cooperation, merit rather than equality, one man rule instead of democracy. Hitler personally despised Marxism BTW
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sorry but racial superiority is a key element of extreme rightwing such as the KKK and the Nazis. This is not my opinion that I just made up. One of the defining aspects of the rightwing is the belief in social hierarchy in contrast to equality. Racism is the extreme form of that. Other classic rightwing elements - looking towards the past and being authoritarian both of which the Nazis heavily emphasized. when Fox said Hitler was leftwing they were showing their appalling ignorance yet again
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rightwingers have lost it. You'll see them saying/posting crap that mass shooters are all lefties then in the same breath call lefties pansies who are afraid of and hate guns.
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you represent the adage "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" because you are completely mislead with what little knowledge you have and it is those kind of sentiments that Fox&conservative talk show pundits sow in the minds of their followers.
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they could have called themselves Peaceful Pansies for all that it mattered considering their actions, beliefs, and policies. Stop being such a moron and do some real research
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A dictionary will tell me or anyone what hypocritically deranged means? I doubt it. Those are two separate words, you moron, that cannot go together like that. Anyway, the Nazis were in part inspired by the nationalistic rightwing version of socialism of Spengler which I mentioned. The Nazis were a rightwing group. Your only arguments against the vast general consensus are not convincing because the ultimate core of the Nazis being racial superiority&nationalism is rightwing
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hypocritically deranged? What does that even mean? Look, you presented your argument that Hitler=left wing and I countered that. Now are are wasting character bits quoting half of my posts in your responses. I gave you a name - Oswald Spengler who supported a rightwing authoritarian socialism yet later fell out with the Nazis whom he felt were vulgar. Anyway more productive use of your time would spent in reading up on him than in making these useless responses which say nothing.
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no, they know what they are doing. It's their followers who are out of their heads and Fox is just feeding them with stuff that fits their bizarre view of reality
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and people like you forget that a word or a speech does not make one automatically one thing or another. No one until recently&only amongst certain US conservatives ever thought of Hitler as anything more than rightwing as it perceived universally. US conservatives with their appalling ignorance&US-centric viewpoint looked at the word socialism in the acronym Nazi&thought they discovered something new that Hitler was actually a leftie. It's a rather ignorant view and more than a little insane
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Funny you mention Stalin because the USSR especially under Stalin was hardly the ideal Marx believed in. The core of what liberals believe - tolerance, equality, anti-war are completely missing with Hitler and Stalin. Hitler admired Stalin because originally he felt Stalinism was a type of Nazism which as I said before is viewed by all except some "clever" Fox followers as the epitome of right wing.
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And it was so left of him to oppress minorities, believe in German superiority while others were deemed inferior and to support the fascist dictators Mussolini and Franco. Try to understand no one other than some harebrained US conservatives even remotely view Hitler as anything but rightwing - rightwing as it is universally perceived not just in the US.
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my side? It has to do with what is correct and more importantly what Fox News is doing by making such comments. I don't care if you watch Fox or not, you are still talking about things you barely comprehend. It hurts me to read your "clever" stupidity
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tell me how the Nazis were socialist
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no, lucky is a trueblooded 'Murican!
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according to the conservatives who follow Fox News and rightwing pundits - yes, it apparently is
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What we are witnessing are the death throes of hardline conservatism and it's not pretty. They will try to pull anything down with them regardless if it makes no sense or is against their very principles. Even wacky conspiracy theories are acceptable to them now because they are desperate for any ammo to fling at their dreaded enemy. Anyone they hate&fear they'll label as left wing because all that means to them now is "enemy" and they want to rally the few "troops" they have left. Sad, really
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no religious leaders and followers kill in the name but that doesn't make the founders guilty. Marx died long before the russian revolution. Nothing else you wrote is even a rebuttal. Study some history if you wish to make a real argument. Look up Oswald Spengler and just accept the Hitler-left wing is a ridiculous notion that a desperate propaganda channel came up with in order to throw a bone to their dwindling followers.
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your words speak volumes of what is wrong with those who label themselves as conservative or rightwing. You are so full of hate, intolerance, and ignorance that you will seize on anything no matter how nonsensical or even against your principles to throw at your enemy whom you don't even understand because you are so brainwashed.
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democrats&republicans were different back then. It's just you guys are too stupid to understand basic concepts of change. The fact is many racist went republican with the Southern Strategy of the 60s because Johnson a democrat supported civil rights.
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no, I would not be agreeing with a nutcase like yourself. Good day!
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