Comments by "Vic 2.0" (@Vic2point0) on "Rep. Pramila Jayapal Endorses Bernie at Des Moines Rally" video.

Trump's doing a great job, IMO; I'll definitely be voting for him this time. I know that Bernie likes to claim that Trump's "trying to divide us up", but Trump's not the one going around promoting class warfare against "the billionaire class", acting like they're somehow more "greedy" than the rest of us. Trump's not the one saying that white people don't know what it's like to be poor just to pander to minorities who are gullible enough to believe it.
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JamesHLanier https://youtu.be/z6IlGoeDIUQ?t=37 And how are billionaires more greedy than the rest of us?
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@jillylove101 Trump's regulations and tax cuts provided over 7 million jobs, and members of every class has benefited. Average weekly paychecks are up 2.8% and the poverty rate's declined. And real median household income went up over $4,000 (6.8%) since he took office. I don't agree with painting our military men and women as victims; everyone who joins the military knows they could be sent to fight in a war they might not believe in; that's the tradeoff for all the benefits. As for "destroying the planet" (which is done by Bernie, Greta Thunberg, etc. as well, not just the billionaires), our only realistic chance of turning that around is through innovation. Clean energy has to be practical and affordable to not just get the U.S. but other nations on board. So I do think Trump's done a great job for the most part. Also like what he's done with prison reform, right to try, right to know the costs of a particular medical treatment beforehand, getting more drugs approved by the FDA, and so on.
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@Kaefer1973 I would agree that Bernie calling Trump "dangerous", a "racist", etc. boils down to personal attacks, if that's your point. I still like to call people on that (I would do the same if Trump called, say, Tulsi Gabbard "dangerous", because I don't see why someone would) because unfortunately a lot of people's votes are going to be swayed by the mud-slinging.
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Cosmic Rey It's hard to just write you off, to be honest. I mean, not one but two of his campaign organizers have blatantly promoted violence and/or gulags for people who disagree, and to my knowledge Bernie has yet to denounce (much less fire) either of them.
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@Joey_Buttafoucault Scandinavia's doing it the Scandinavian way, though, which is decidedly more free market than the U.S. No minimum wage laws, they have school vouchers, they don't penalize the wealthy with high corporate tax rates, etc. All things Bernie is opposed to. They learned their lesson about capitalism some time ago (especially Sweden), while the U.S. bumbles around and people like Bernie aren't helping.
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@Brinda Davis-Noyes Please give me a link showing where (and how) Bernie denounced the two "bad apples". Also, I don't believe for a second that they don't represent Bernie's movement overall; the majority of his campaign is a promotion of class warfare against "the billionaire class".
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@jillylove101 The comments keep getting deleted. I'll keep trying though.
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JamesHLanier Naturally, I'm going to find it offensive when someone tells me I don't know what it's like to be poor just because I'm white. And yeah, I know, Bernie was just pandering to minorities because he thought that's what they wanted to hear. Doesn't change the fact that it was a lie. And having more money than you need doesn't mean you're greedy, or again, no more than the rest of us. But most of the billionaires are doing things to help! When they're not donating (far more money than we can because we didn't make billionaires out of ourselves), they're providing value (products/services) and/or jobs. The numbers don't lie; Trump's economy has indeed helped Americans in every class. And I didn't make any excuses for the military actions themselves; I just don't appreciate when people use military men and women for political purposes. When you say we should "commit" to clean energy, that doesn't address my point that it actually has to be practical and affordable. And again, if we're (honestly) looking to save the world, we need the free market to innovate ways of doing that so that other countries (who couldn't care less about how many food stamps Americans are getting) will get on board with that newly doable clean energy. You lost some credibility there, calling the camps at the border "concentration camps". And I listed the specific things Trump has done to lower healthcare costs, so it doesn't work to just respond with "He hasn't done anything".
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JamesHLanier If you have to lie about who does/doesn't know what it's like to be poor, you should probably revisit your whole argument. You might find that white people are harassed and killed by cops too! "You're right, but having a dickload more money that you would ever need in a thousand lifetimes does make you greedy." Sounds arbitrary, and no basis for dividing us by wealth. Especially when it's the American people who decided they should be billionaires. What makes your definition of "greedy" (found absolutely nowhere in the dictionary) better than simply "If you have more money than you will need to get by, while some people are literally starving to death overseas"? "They're not doing shit to help." Most of the billionaires are doing plenty to help, and I listed how. "And yeah, tell me more about how we should be thankful we get the scraps from our exploited labor." You should be thankful that you even have the gall to think of the life you live as "scraps". "And why not use military people for political purposes?" Because they're human beings, adults in fact, and they made the decision to support the U.S. even if they don't agree with the specifics. The military would be worthless if everyone in it just did what they felt like doing. "It is practical and affordable." Not at all. For example, solar energy. We can't even store it properly. It literally would not work, even if it were affordable. "As long as coal and oil have a voice in the free market," We don't have a free market, that's the problem. "They're camps where a certain group of people are concentrated for punitive reasons." So would you call prisons concentration camps too? Why or why not? "Trump has done NOTHING to lower healthcare costs. Absolutely nothing." Again, I specified what he's done. It doesn't work to just repeat "He hasn't done anything".
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Cosmic Rey Bernie is definitely weak, for whatever it's worth. Apologizes to Joe Biden for telling the truth and argues when Trump calls the DNC out for being biased against Bernie (both of which make his supporters look stupid). That's in addition to things like letting a few BLM lunatics take the microphone away from him, stuff like that. We need a strong leader at least.
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@Kaefer1973 Well we have a strong leader right now. Willing to stand up not only for himself but his supporters. Even stood up for his political opponent (Bernie) as I mentioned already. He knows it's wrong what the DNC's doing to him, so he spoke up about it. What does Bernie do? Deny that it's happening, refuse to call anyone out. But in so doing, he disagrees with both Trump and his own supporters. @Kaefer1973 Well if he meant that he'd be getting rid of corrupt politicians/government officials, I'd say that we're staring directly at the results of doing so - the impeachment trial. But it seems that's not what he was talking about at all: https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-ethics-reform-washington-dc-2016-10 Either way, he's still taking a much stronger stand against corruption than Bernie has thus far. Bernie even endorsed Hillary last election! And like I say, he won't back his own supporters up for shit.
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@Kaefer1973 The response I typed up for you was deleted. Gonna try and add it to my last comment here.
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@Kaefer1973 "Orange man bad", basically. Calls Trump "dangerous" among other things; meanwhile, not one but two of his campaign organizers have promoted violence and/or gulags for anyone who disagrees with Bernie, and he's yet to denounce either of them.
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@Kaefer1973 Agreed. I actually don't like Trump on a personal level (I always say I'd rather hang out and have a beer with Obama any day), but I agree with most of what Trump's been doing. I think he's doing the job well, so that's why I'm voting for him this time.
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