Comments by "exnihilo415" (@exnihilo415) on "Thai transgender tycoon the first woman to own Miss Universe, hopes to inspire" video.

  1. It's true. The cis women and trans women of Venezuela are pretty amazing to behold. They've won a ton of pageants.
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  2. Trans women in sports has nothing to do with Anne buying Miss Universe. Must we bring up the most contentious things when mentioning a class of people? If a Jewish person buys a house, must we then bring up the atrocious treatment of Palestinians? It's just not necessary.
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  3. There have been trans women competing in miss universe for 10 years now. Look up Jenna Talackova.
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  4. These days? There have been trans people all over south Asia since antiquity.
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  5. Cis and trans women alike.
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  6. There have been trans women competing in Miss Universe for 10 years already. Look up Jenna Talackova. Anne buying it last week changes nothing.
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  7.  Kashgari  Why do you care what a private organization does? Make your own pageant with your own rules.
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  8.  Kashgari  Obviously. Anne wasn’t even alive when Miss Universe began.
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  9.  @rok0sbasili5k  She's a woman to me and to millions of others as well that support trans women.
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  10. Miss Universe Spain was already transgender in 2018.
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  11.  @jklgls2181  False. "At this time, the Miss Universe Organization, the governing body for the competition, currently has no restriction regarding plastic or cosmetic surgery." Look it up.
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  12. Nah. There have been trans women all over Asia since antiquity. Hijra / Kinnar in India / Pakistan, Waria in Indonesia, Kathoey in Thailand, Bakla in the Philippines, Mahu in Hawaii, Fa'afafine in Samoa. Goes on and on and on. It's simply part of the human condition. No big deal.
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  13. It can buy the Miss Universe organization which is what this video is about.
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  14. I know, right? For something with such enormous brand recognition it is incredibly cheap. Anne is pretty smart for scooping this up at this rock bottom price.
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  15.  @danielgao7891  Stuff Transphobes Say
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  16.  @danielgao7891  Nope. You should see a licensed therapist to work through your fears. That's the proper clinical approach.
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  17.  @joshisraelvillahermosa2680  Being trans is not a crime and is not wrong AND trans people have been with us since antiquity. It’s a simply rare feature of the human condition in that cultures all around the world have had gender pluralistic people in them.
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  18. Trans women have been competing in Miss Universe for 10 years already. If you don’t like that, don’t watch. It is a private organization and they can do exactly as they please.
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  19. It counts for me.
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  20.  @miyutakahada5691  It is not misidentification. Anne lives and appears as any other woman does in society. This isn't drag. This is her gender identity and gender isn't biology.
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  21.  @AgentAO7  What we need is Miss Multiverse! 😀
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  22.  Mr Righton  trans pho bic
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  23.  @ussgearlocker  The best things in life are socially constructed. Trans women are as much a woman to me as my own mother.
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  24. Unfortunately trans women and trans men in Thailand cannot change their legal gender on government documents. There are many activists trying to get legislation passed but it’s not easy with the very dysfunctional Thai government which is barely a democracy at this point.
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  25.  @jklgls2181  An opinion not backed by the actual Miss Universe Organization which literally has no ban on any surgery. It's all available online. Look it up. Why keep an obviously incorrect opinion?
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  26.  @jummyran  True enough. If you're going to be a pageant queen it does help to be taller, though and some cis girls are just really short. Helps to be east Asian too. Thai trans girls and Philippines trans girls transition incredibly well. They're just less sexually dimorphic compared to others.
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  27.  @byrontownsel7274  Trans women have been competing in Miss Universe for 10 years already. Zero trans woman in Miss Universe have ever wore a wig in the competition. It is a private organization and they can do exactly what they please and there is nothing you can do about that.
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  28. This comment is transphobia
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  29.  @pedrojulio1960  Trans women have been competing in Miss Universe for 10 years already. It is a private organization and they can do exactly what they like. If you don’t like it, don’t watch.
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  30.  @pedrojulio1960  I treat and refer to people as they want to be treated and referred to. Someone’s biology Is their business, not mine. I have no idea who is trans or intersex or not. People tell Me their gender I do not tell Them their gender.
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  31. Miss universe has allowed trans women competitors for 10 years already. Miss Universe is a privately owned organization and they can make their own rules.
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  32. There have been trans women competing in Miss Universe for 10 years already. Clearly you’re not much of a fan if you didn’t know that.
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  33. Check your reading comprehension. A trans woman now is the owner of the organization. She isn’t competing in the Miss Universe competition. Anyone with $20 million could have bought it.
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  34.  @andrewcanoy1708  Thank you. Trans people are worth defending.
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  35. It has been the norm for 10 years already. You didn’t know?
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  36.  @penghai4009  I am not exaggerating. Angela Ponce, a trans woman. won Miss Universe Spain in 2018. The winner at the country level! She was the first trans winner, not the first trans competitor. Jenna Talackova competed in the 2012 Miss Canada pageant. 10 years ago. Initially she was disqualified but then she lawyered up and the Miss Universe pageant then decided to allow to her and other trans women to compete. Jenna didn’t win as Angela did but she did compete and trans women have been able to compete since then. Don’t accuse me of exaggerating when you clearly do not know your facts. Look it up. It’s all there on the internet.
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  37.  @penghai4009  Jenna Talackova competed in the 2012 Miss Universe Canada pageant. That is 10 years ago. Thus I am not exaggerating. Check your reading comprehension.
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  38.  @penghai4009  Explain trans woman Jenna Talackova competing in Miss Universe Canada in 2012. Go on. Do you not understand that every country has their own Miss Universe contest and those country level contests are part of Miss Universe? That any trans woman competing in any of those country level Miss Universe contests are also competing in the broader Miss Universe because they are under the umbrella and rules of the same Miss Universe organization? Yikes.
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  39.  @abrahamlupis9354  It's a lot less about priorities than not really having a functioning democracy.
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  40.  @abrahamlupis9354  More than two dozen other countries have figured it out, it's just not that hard. Rest assured, it'll happen as younger generations gain some measure of political power. There are a lot of political wheels in motion in Thailand about this, as we speak.
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  41. Her and she pronouns can be used for ships and countries. It’s not making some kind of objective claims about biology. You do understand that, right?
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  42.  @supertwin1000  Trans women are women because gender isn’t biology, that’s the point. Pronouns aren’t making claims about chromosomes or uteruses. You can say “her voice” without knowing if the audio was actually voiced by a person or a computer.
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  43.  @memrman8331  yeah but like I wanna see beautiful women, cis, trans or otherwise. Cis women only isn't my kinda thing. I don't hate em but I'm allowed to like what I like. Miss Universe has had trans contestants for 10 years BEFORE Anna bought Miss Universe. Look up Jenna Talackova, that was 2012.
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  44.  @byrontownsel7274  Miss Universe is a private organization and can make their own rules. It is not your organization. It is Anne’s organization. Trans women have been competing in Miss Universe for 10 years already. A trans woman won Miss Spain in 2018. Many people do actually want to see trans women compete and thrive. Unfortunately your transphobia makes that impossible for you.
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  45. Only half? Not enough!
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  46.  @heart8143  Nope. My wife is a Thai trans woman and seeing feminine beauty (cis and trans alike) in all its forms is a wonderful thing.
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  47.  @nate6045  Then you haven't spent much time in SE Asia or Latin America. Pageants are huge.
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  48. What video did you watch? This video is about a trans woman buying the entire Miss Universe organization. It's not about a trans woman competing. That's happened a decade ago. If a Jewish man buys a company do you go on and on about the treatment of Palestinians? How is that relevant?
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  49.  @alejandratorres2210  So far but I'm holding out hope that there will be a trans contestant from Venezuela someday just like Spain.
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  50.  @xposetruth5681  I don’t know what you’re taking from the word but no dictionary lists cisgender as a pejorative. It simply means not trans as a way to distinguish you from trans women. If you don’t think trans women are women then that is insulting and degrading to trans women.
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  51.  @andrewcanoy1708  The word Cisgender is in every modern dictionary. I’m going to use words in the dictionary. That’s it. Look it up if you like. If not, don’t.
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  52.  @damienmulder909  I’m going to continue to advocate for trans people, no matter what you think about it.
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  53.  @alembess9129  There are cis women and trans women in every country in the world, Including Venezuela.
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  54.  @nate6045  Men do, in fact, compete in their own masculine beauty pageants. There are plenty of them.
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  55. What are you talking about? The woman who OWNS Miss Universe is trans. She's not competing. She's running the new organization she paid for. In addition there was not a ban on plastic surgery for cis women or trans women in Miss Universe. "At this time, the Miss Universe Organization, the governing body for the competition, currently has no restriction regarding plastic or cosmetic surgery". Where do you get your facts? Yikes.
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  56. There have been trans female contestants in Miss Universe for 10 years already. If you don’t like that, don’t watch.
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  57.  @danielgao7891  Brainwashed by a doctor? Surely you're joking.
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  58.  @xinpingdonohoe3978  OED lists dozens of definitions for woman. Self identification is womanhood for me. She tells me her gender and pronouns and I will respect them. As I said, Gender is an aesthetic, a presentation, an identity and a social construct. It is not biology.
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  59. Apparently you didn't watch the video. This is about a Thai trans woman purchasing the Miss Universe Organization for $20 mil, nothing more. There have been transgender competitors in Miss Universe for literally 10 years prior to Anne buying it last week. Offer her $22 million for Miss Universe and maybe she'll sell it to you. Otherwise it's literally not your organization and all your prescriptivism amounts to nothing.
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  60. You are aware there are Thai American trans women, right?
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  61. Not to me.
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  62.  Zaydan Naufal  Offer her 21 million. Maybe she'll sell it to you. :)
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  63. There already has been at the country level.  Miss Universe Spain in 2018 was trans. Angela Ponce. There have been trans competitors in Miss Universe for 10 years already.
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  64.  @vvvnokk8309  Japan isn't progressive on LGBT rights. Check Japan's LGBT laws.
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  65.  @miyutakahada5691  They get to make that determination for themselves, not you forcing that determination on them. They get to decide what's offensive to them, not what you think they should deem offensive or not. That's the difference. Agency. Trans women are women to me. They are not 'very different' from my point of view. They get to define their own gender identity, not you. That's what liberty is all about.
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  66.  @miyutakahada5691  Who says it needs to be hidden? Just because a woman calls herself a woman doesn't mean she isn't a Jewish woman. She shouldn't be made to say 'jewish woman' every single time at gunpoint because Miyu thinks that's what would be best for the future of Jewish people, to celebrate the uniqueness of her Jewishness at every single turn. Obviously every trans person is going to disclose their medical history to their health provider. Its all right there in the chart, as it is for all patients when they see their doctor. That said, just because someone has some kind of treatment for diabetes doesn't mean that they need to always introduce themselves as "Hi, I'm Dave. Diabetes-man". There is a time and a place for everything. I get the sense that you actually don't know many trans women personally, given this line of argumentation. Do you understand that they get to have their own feelings and agency and freedom of speech about themselves in the same way that you do?
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  67.  @miyutakahada5691  I invite you to talk to some more trans people so that you can understand their perspective. It's one thing to talk about an entire class of people you don't know abstractly over the internet using the power of reason and logic and it's another to really understand their lives and experiences and fears, hopes challenges and dreams in public life, with family and in their relationships. As long as people have their own opinions there is not going to be 'satisfactory categorization' which 'can be agreed upon universally'. There are different cultures of trans people all around the world and language and gender have a very complex relationship to one other. Thai trans people (Kathoey) are not the same culturally as Indian trans people (Kinnar) are not the same culturally as Mexican trans peple (Muxe) are not the same culturally as Samoan trans people (Fa'afafine). And on and on. It's not a point. It's not a line. It's multi-variable calculus of gender pluralism constantly evolving.
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  68. Not even. There have been trans women all over South Asia since antiquity. Do the smallest amount of googling and you’ll see this clearly.
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  69.  @___________________1  So you want a pageant with no contestants?
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  70.  @___________________1  Virtual contestants? May the best 3D modeler win?
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  71.  @lesarguelles928  Trans women are as much a woman to me as my own mother. Gender isn’t biology. “Straight genders” ? Sheesh you don’t even realize the difference between attraction and identity. That said, you’re welcome to think anything you like, as am I.
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  72.  @Monolith_1  Pageants are a difficult business. It was for sale in the first place for a reason. That’s said, bankruptcy is usually just debt restructuring not liquidation. Look at the airline industry. No, I don’t hate women. I support cis and trans women alike.
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  73. What makes you think Anne wants to sound any different? Rest assured, Anne has all the money it takes to make it happen.
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  74.  @Zod.mp4  Sounds like you know Anne very personally. Is there something you aren’t telling us? 🙂
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  75. There have been trans women all over South Asia long before Columbus sailed the Atlantic.
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  76. What are you talking about? There have been trans women all over South Asia for thousands of years.
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  77. What are you talking about? This is about the new owner who purchased the organization. Anne isn’t competing in Miss Universe. Anne is the owner.
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  78.  @galihpratanda4546  Miss universe Spain 2018 was transgender. That was 4 years ago. Anne buying the organization last week changes nothing.
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  79.  @talalh7247  Trans gatekeeper cop, walking the beat.
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  80.  @Bunny2319b  You sound like an as shole.
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  81.  @abbigailslone6162  And thus my analogy was directly applicable.
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  82.  @S5S5066  You are replying to the wrong person. I could not agree with you more. Check your @
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  83.  @BYOH4Z4RD  yer garbage
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  84.  @yerri5567  Some woman with better characteristics will always some in first. I don’t care if that’s a trans woman or a cis woman. You do. Thus the fundamental and immutable disagreement we have. Every sports organization has a governing body that determines eligibility and those individual governing bodies set the rules. It’s up to them. If a league of female golfers wants to include trans women that’s the league’s decision. Not yours. Not mine.
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  85.  @pedrojulio1960  Always a she to me.
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  86.  @pedrojulio1960  Trans women are women because gender isn’t biology. The Canadian government also supports trans women as women. Canadian trans women can update their legal gender. Clearly you know little about Canadian LGBT law.
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  87. ​ @pedrojulio1960  I'm sure you do mind that the Canadian government recognizes trans women as women. No doubt you would be overjoyed if they didn't. Classic Sour Grapes argumentation here. What you and your students think is immaterial compared to the legal status of trans women as women in an entire nation, quite obviously. It doesn't matter at all what you or I think, by comparison.
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  88.  @mayasquaw2254  Transphobia is a real thing.
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  89.  @natsohigh5552  Doesn’t appear underlined for me. The Underlining lookup browser dictionaries are also not the gold standard of the English languages, as you know. The gold standard dictionaries of the English language are the Oxford English Dictionary and Webster. They both have the word transphobia on them. Look it up.
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  90.  @orangemike802  Brian is a cutie. Wishing her the best.
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  91.  @abumansaray7  You missed your chance to buy Miss Universe and make it that way. Miss Universe is a private company and they can run it however they want. Trans women have been competing in Miss Universe for over a decade already.
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  92.  @abumansaray7  Miss Universe is an aesthetic competition. No one is running karyotype tests to determine the most beautiful chromosomes. Again if you cared that much about making Miss Universe trans free, then you should have outbid Anne JKN for ownership of it. It is a private company and they can do exactly what they want. Your opinion about what they they should do, and my opinion about what they should do both mean exactly nothing.
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  93.  @abumansaray7  Miss is a title for gender which isn’t biology. Simple. It doesn’t matter what you think. Miss Universe has had trans women competitors for a decade already and will continue to have trans women competitors into the future. Spend every waking moment of your life protesting this if you want, it’ll change nothing. Miss Universe is a private company and can do exactly what they want to do, not what you think they should do.
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  94.  @andrewcanoy1708  I’m whatever you want me to be, baby cakes.
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  95.  @damienmulder909  There is no damage to control. Miss Universe is privately owned by a Thai trans woman. She can do exactly whatever she wants with the organization but the reality is that Trans women have been competing in Miss Universe for a decade before she owned it.
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  96.  @damienmulder909  Rest assured plenty of people tuned into the 2018 Miss Universe contest where Miss Spain was trans. Ratings were essentially the same. If you’re not interested, don’t watch and tell all your friends not to watch. Boycott it every day of your life, if you want. Does that sound like a paid shill talking and doing PR damage control? Lol.
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  97.  @damienmulder909  No one is forcing you to watch Miss Universe. Please don’t and tell all your friends not to. That said, millions of viewers tune in every year that do want to watch it. Don’t be among them.
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  98.  @damienmulder909  Please continue your hate speech, transphobe.
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  99.  @chiquitafeldberg8259  I call it the way I see it. I have no problem calling trans people themselves, transphobic.
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  100.  @tambaluslosMarcosMamatayNaKayo  Same as it ever was. You just can’t resist the opportunity to trash trans people.
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  101. What video did you watch? Anyone with $20 million could have bought the Miss Universe organization. That’s what the video is about. Anne isn’t competing. Anne owns it.
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  102. She's a woman to me. Gender isn't biology.
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  103. Trump owned it for years and he's not a woman despite all the orange makeup and hair.
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  104. Miss Universe had trans woman competitors 10 years ago (Jenna Talackova ) an entire decade before Anne bought Miss Universe.
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  105. Trans women are women.
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  106.  @anglekernux6776  Gender isn't biology.
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  107.  @yeyosilver7067  Contempt for trans women.
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  108.  @yeyosilver7067  Laugh it up, transphobe.
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  109.  @andromedamessier3176  And then further create sub categories for first black woman, first Jewish woman, first short woman, first tall woman, first green-eyed woman, first left handed woman, first Buddhist woman and every unique combination of those attributes until literally everyone is sorted individually into their own unique category with a unique million character descriptor... OR we could simply just see that her gender identity (which is not biology) is simply woman.
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  110.  @andromedamessier3176  A war of ideas is what a healthy democracy looks like. I support trans women and their gender identity as women, as does the South China Morning Post. I have no interesting in othering them with sub categories implying that they're not really women. They are women because gender, by definition, just isn't biology.
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  111.  @andromedamessier3176  It is not very much new. There have been gender diverse people in cultures all around the world since antiquity. Hijra / Kinnar in India, Waria in Indonesia, Kathoey in Thailand, Bakla in the Philippines. Muxe in Mexico, Mahu in Hawaii, Fa'afafine in Samoa, Native American two-spirit and Berdache. The list goes on and on. Do even the slightest bit of googling and you'll see this clearly. Please don't believe me. Go look. I do expect people to change their minds when presented with a preponderance of evidence, which does exist. If this comes as new information, sure. It takes time to assimilate it. I am also imagining that you're not Thai. Trans people have been a part of Thai culture going back to it's beginnings.
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  112.  @andromedamessier3176  It's only misleading if you think trans women aren't women.
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  113.  @andromedamessier3176  The title is "Thai transgender tycoon the first woman to own Miss Universe, hopes to inspire". No English literate person reading that sentence and understanding all those words would assume that the woman is a cis woman because they know what the word transgender means. I'm also not going to assume she's poor because I know what the word tycoon means. I'm not going to assume she's another nationality either because I know what a Thai person is.
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  114. ​ @andromedamessier3176  Then that is an English literacy problem. These ESL readers should take the page and have Chrome translate that into their native language for which there will be a direct translation of the word transgender. My read of Op was that they were misunderstanding nothing, they simply categorically resent the idea that trans women are women and stated such as 'misleading'.
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  115.  @andromedamessier3176  The ground is established. The SCMP is literally following the Associated Press Style Guide when it comes to LGBT topics. Trans women are women. There will never be complete consensus in a world where everyone can have their own opinion. Surely you are aware that trans women are disliked and disrespected and misgendered all the time. That much is obvious from reading any comment thread about trans people.
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  116.  @Right_Direction_  Trans women are women as gender is not biology.
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  117.  @bruhstick6736  and presumably this transphobia has your tacit support. Right?
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  118. Transgender men are something else entirely.
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  119.  @gabriellefur3225  Correct.
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  120. Fortunately trachea shaving is outpatient surgery in an dozen clinics in Thailand. Trans women or cis women with big Adam’s apples (happens with PCOS sometimes) can have them shaved down.
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  121.  @nate6045  You have every right not to watch it and not understand it but pageants are huge in these places and big percentages of people there just think it's fun.
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  122. Yes
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  123. Trans women buy Miss Universe organizations to trick straight men into what? Anne isn’t competing in anything. Anne owns the entire Miss Universe organization.
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  124. I’ll call her a woman with no surgery. Gender isn’t biology.
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  125. Cis Women have already been competing against trans women in Miss Universe for 10 years. This changes nothing except who owns the Miss Universe organization.
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  126.  @pedrojulio1960  trans women are women because gender is not biology.
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  127.  @pedrojulio1960  trans women are women to me. The reason is because gender isn’t biology.
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  128.  @dantasticmania8728  Thailand is more freely capitalist with fewer capital controls and regulation than the US, Canada or all of Western Europe. What mammals you like to eat is up to you. Enjoy.
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  129.  Nick Smith  Was probably just Siri by mistake.
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  130.  @bi111ieluvbot  Gender by definition isn’t biology. That is the reality.
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  131.  @damienmulder909  Nope. Comments are open. All your replies do is bump the thread to higher visibility.
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  132.  @damienmulder909  No professional medical or psychiatric organization classifies trans people as having a mental illness. Not the APA nor the WHO. The treatment for the mental condition of gender dysphoria is transition following the WPATH standard of care.
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  133.  @damienmulder909  Please continue your hate speech, transphobe.
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  134.  @damienmulder909  Please continue your hate speech, transphobe.
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  135.  @zhigstar1891  There is more to the story. Jenna was disqualified in march of 2012 and then Miss Universe Canada realized this was not going to be a court battle they could win in Canada, she was reinstated in April and did actually compete. I watched the whole thing. Look it up.
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  136.  @zhigstar1891  Nope. Angela Ponce is the first winner at the country level, though.
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  137.  @nate6045  The closest thing you've seen, which as you've admitted already, you're not familiar with the worldwide appeal and scope of all types of beauty pageants around the world. Look up: Mister World, Mister International, Manhunt International, Mister Supranational, and Mister Global. The list of male beauty pageants goes on and on. Obviously, yes, I fully understand you when you say that anyone should represent the category of masculinity. Clearly, yes.
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  138.  @itsourlife  She to me.
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  139.  @ab_0724  All competitions are ridiculous. All pro athletes are cheating in some form or another. Fairness is fantasy sold to children and all that goes out the window when money and fame are on the line. It's just business. Genetic clones raised identically and trained identically would be fair. Anything else isn't. We just pretend that it's 'close enough' when in reality it just isn't.
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  140. You are very misinformed. 1. Plastic surgery is allowed in Miss Universe. 2. Trans women have completed in Miss Universe for 10 years already. 3. This video is not about a trans woman COMPETING in Miss Universe, it's about a Thai trans woman BUYING the entire Miss Universe Organization.
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  141. Nonexistent entities don’t give anyone anything.
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  142.  @MarokoJin  Consult the dictionary. A trans woman is a woman because gender isn't biology.
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  143.  @xinpingdonohoe3978  Gender is an aesthetic, a presentation, an identity and a social construct. It is not biology.
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  144.  @ABDURAZIKTCK  Hundreds of thousands of Thai trans women use the women’s toilet every day in Thailand without issue. You clearly know very little about Thai trans women in Thai society.
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  145. ​ @ABDURAZIKTCK  That transphobic non-sequitur is your rejoinder? Have you ever even visited Thailand?
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  146. Classic Nirvana Fallacy argumentation.
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  147.  Mr Righton  Angels to some Demons to others (Hellraiser quote)
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  148. Yes.
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  149.  @tristanchua3546  Courage gatekeeper cop, out walking the beat. Let’s keep raising the stakes for what courage REALLY is so that only a single person in all of world history was courageous. Yay! It’s merely an accident of course that people you don’t like are suddenly and of course strictly accidentally then excluded from any positive attributes. A happy accident, mere coincidence, of course of course. Yep. Yep.
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  150.  @andrewcanoy1708  Counterfactual Provocateur.
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  151. Rest assured the 25 richest women in the world are all not trans.
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  152. Then buy it, Ellen. It was for sale and was sold.
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  153.  @futorenkin6838  Wow. I had no idea about that!
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  154.  Mr Righton  as shole
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  155. Because you didn’t buy the Miss Universe organization?
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  156. The privilege of being bullied by men for being trans, that is.
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  157.  @zammy7068  Not at all. Trans women are women because gender isn’t biology, by definition.
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  158.  @andrewcanoy1708  Surgery doesn’t make you a woman, your gender identity does. Gender isn’t biology. Gender is a social construct, an aesthetic and an identity. As such, trans women are women to me.
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  159.  @gregorygrimm5540  YES THEY ARE. Gender isn’t biology.
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