Comments by "cosmosofinfinity" (@cosmosofinfinity) on "Spotify Loses Billions Over Joe Rogan Controversy" video.

  1. I'm seeing a RISE in Apple value, but then again Apple does more than just a music platform. If all the music platforms are suffering this bad and it's that common knowledge and David is blatantly misrepresenting it, it should be easy to point to a source, no? All the news outlets I'm seeing a attributing this to the Neil Young controversy, and I'm not seeing any buzz about any other companies taking $2 billion dips.
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  2. Exactly, if Joe Rogan were even to simply move to some other platform that was less popular and more a pain in the ass to bother clicking, that would curtail tons of viewership. Twitch's Ninja moved to Mixer and that was a move that lost many people and wasn't enough to save Mixer as a viable platform. People want their shows at the places where they are already at so everything is in proximity to each other, it's why no one goes directly to creators' own websites anymore, the people want the convenience of Walmart and all the harm that brings over the inconvenience of having to go to all these different places. InfoWars suffered greatly for not being on the major platforms and was just as popular a show, it would be the same deal here. Same deal with taking Trump off Twitter. He hurts every day for that one simple change. The truth is, these moves do a non-zero amount of damage (often incredible business-ruining amounts), and that alone makes it worth doing instead of feebly surrendering to the cynical fatalist notion that these figures are just immune to any and all damage just because you can't completely destroy them and their base of support. That was never the goal anyway, only to incentivize them doing the right thing and disincentivize them doing the wrong thing. Make the decision easier for them, make it have a non-zero impact to their bottom lines, make doing the right thing the more profitable thing and they will make the change themselves. But if no one puts up ANY resistance to what they are doing, then they are just gonna keep having at it since there is no reason to stop Absolutely perfect example with the robber, the HYPOTHETICAL inevitably is being treated as CERTAIN inevitability and is not excuse to do nothing about it. Because there are people who will break the law no matter what, is that excuse for there to be no laws? Come on, people, this is basic elementary school stuff. You still gotta try something, and you all certainly wouldn't be taking this approach with climate change. Something still needs to be done, to be TRIED, as feeble as it may be, to stop it, yes? Even if you cannot outright stop the damage, mitigating it is good enough, no? 90% of damage instead of 100% of damage is preferable, right? Society cannot eliminate all damage but it can reduce it. You only get that reduction of damage if you actually bother putting up resistance, and that counts for something. Don't let perfect be the enemy of the good, Joe Rogan is still gonna exist doing his dumb BS but that doesn't mean we gotta put our hands up and shrug, because that just gives him PERMISSION to do it, and why permit something we already know is bad? Why PERMIT it, when there is the equally easy option to NOT permit it? It's like defending the high school bully spreading false rumors and gossip about you because the bully has freedom of speech. FUCK his freedom of speech, he misuses his freedom of speech, and those who misuse their freedoms get their freedoms taken away, just the same as people who crash their cars get their right to drive taken away. Rights carry responsibilities. Right to speech doesn't mean you get to use that right to paint illusions that ruin people's lives. Bad uses of those freedoms are not equally defensible as GOOD uses of those freedoms. Taking away someone's right to lie is not taking away someone's right to NOT lie just like how taking away someone's right to drive recklessly is not infringing on any of the rights of the people driving safely. Taking away the freedom to paint swastikas on a public wall does not take away the freedom to paint something other than a swastika on a public wall. Banning walking around the city in a banana hammock doesn't ban people walking around with any other clothes. Joe gets singularly punished, and the people who aren't Joe, in fact, don't get punished. Easy. Sick of all this slippery slope paranoia when society can decide precisely where on the slope to draw the line as the getting off point, and reevaluate the legitimacy of that line year by year to assess if damage is still being done.
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  3. Is Apple Music down in a similar way?
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  4. We're talking about a very recent anomalous dip, a bonus dip on top of the normal longterm covid dips
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  5. Really sad that something that should be so simple is driving a wedge between people that otherwise liked each other
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  6. Imagine if Joe Rogan was saying marijuana kills you. Bet you'd feel a different way about that. It's equally as false as what he's putting out
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  7. Misinformation comes from Joe Rogan's guests as well as Joe Rogan himself. And David is not talking about 6-month dips, he's talking about a dip that just happened in the advent of this
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  8.  @nicholew350  I'm seeing lots of people pulling subscriptions, those are subscriptions that Spotify would have otherwise had, and that's not nothing
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  9. ​ @nicholew350  Fair point. Pissing off Rogan fans might well have been a bigger loss considering there's probably a ton of people who are there only for Rogan, but Spotify is taking big losses either way, damned if they do damned if they don't. Either way some group of people is gonna be pissed off and so I guess the best they can do as a company is stay the course they already decided upon and weather the storm. Doing anything else would probably just bring magnify the issue and bring more attention to it, and even more ire. What matters more to me than Spotify's decision here is that the issue is being raised at all, and this prominently, so that we can all have that discussion of what responsibilities people with such big megaphones and audiences have to their audience and what degree of quack science and lying, intentionally or unintentionally, is protected and valid speech. I mean more in public perception than legally, although we do have false advertisement laws and did crack down on the cigarette industry. With great power comes great responsibility, so I wish people who fall into large power like Joe Rogan would use their power more wisely. If he's #1 in the business he should be putting out his best work, and lately he's been pretty sloppy about the info he is disseminating, to say the least. A lot of this blowback was preventable, but of course no matter what point of view he takes there are always gonna be a crowd of people that disagree. The difference this time is that the greater public health is involved, and it lives or dies by what information the infected and uninfected alike have been exposed to, and if the words of Joe Rogan played a part in people doing unsafe things, that's blood on his hands, so this is just a lane he would be better served staying out of and his chiming into subjects he knows very little about gets him (and Spotify) into trouble unnecessarily
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  10. Rogan is spreading covid. He got it himself, and who knows who else he gave it to, and who knows how many of his duped viewers did the same
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  11. I appreciate you getting to the specifics instead of letting all these people get away with putting a veil of ambiguity over the protest writing it off as just a result of everyone taking a dip in general. Even if that was the case, Spotify is taking the dip extra hard, now aren't they?
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  12. Yeah, they are in bed with him now and invested so much in him, it would be a serious blow to the gut if they rescinded that investment. Not sure how much money Joe Rogan has made them to pay off that investment off though, maybe that amount already regenerated itself Rogan revenue. Pulling Rogan now would also result in similar blowback from the Rogan fanbase, crying persecution and censorship and stirring up their own movement
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  13. And now they are losing additional money beyond just that excuse
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  14. Nothing authoritarian about educating people, exposing lies, and holding liars accountable
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  15.  @dlewis9760  So? Bernie supporters aren't capable of doing wrong?
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  16.  @Forever_Laura  The whole Robert Malone episode, there's a start
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  17. It's a pretty successful YouTube channel, more significant than you are at least
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  18. ARE Spotify's direct competitors down like this though? In the 2 billion dollars ball park?
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  19. If you were to just simply click the channel icon, you would instantly see a ton of videos that do precisely that. Rogan is the most viewed media figure in the country and he's spreading bullshit, I would think that would warrant at least some level of concern but oh well, there's still literally every other video this week that you ignored
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  20. $4 billion worth though? Apple just got a big RISE, not a dip
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  21. InfoWars was insanely popular, and they too took major damage from being shunned by the usual platforms. Of course there would still be a fanbase, but Joe Rogan wouldn't be immune to any and all losses if such things were to happen to him, he would make more money if he was on these platforms than off, that is the simple fact. Enabling his misinfo because addressing it wouldn't eliminate the entire support base for him is idiotic, nor was that fantasy ever part of the proposition
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  22. That does tend to be a regular pattern of boycotts. One could argue it's free marketing/awareness the product would have otherwise not gotten
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  23. Source please? All I'm seeing are articles linking it to the Neil Young controversy. I am not seeing anything about any of Spotify's rival companies taking similar dips to this. What I have learned though is that Spotify has been on a decline even before this Neil Young thing started
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  24.  @obredaanps3  Well even when he does, he forgets it all by the time the next quack guest comes on
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  25. I didn't know internationally accepted medical fact was Kool-aid, interesting
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  26. Lol you think spine is what this is? Like they're being brave and taking a moral stand? Bravely managing their pocketbook and profiting off of quackery
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  27. People ages 1-100 are impressionable, are you really outraged or surprised if 24-year-olds are also impressionable?
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  28.  @happyjungle868  Keep telling yourself that as people keep pulling subscriptions in droves. I'm sure that has NO relationship to how Spotify makes money
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  29. They are losing a little bit more than "nothing". A non-zero amount of people have pulled subscriptions. Explain how losing subscribers is good for Spotify
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  30. Busting out the ol' "you just jealous" strawman, so corny
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  31. Malone lost his credentials, the broader medical community has fact checked his claims and cast him out
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  32. Lots of equally prolific doctors and the medical community at large?
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  33. Watch his previous videos on Rogan when the actual misinformation itself was the news of the day, this is easy to find information
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  34. Joe Rogan is full of shit and is getting his rightful blowback, get over it dude
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  35. I'd say 4 billion less dollars is some degree of suffering
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  36. I bet you still watch Netflix even though they took Kevin Spacey out of the final season of House of Cards. He too was a menace to society who got "censored"/cancelled for his own heinous actions
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  37. I would expect a ton of people visibly pulling their subscriptions and songs from the platform and all the bad press to be a cause of less revenue than usual, yes
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  38. Robert Malone is discredited, he's gotten his own bans and for good reason, he's sadly a quack now
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  39. Misinformation Rogan pushes is part of what contributes to that struggle. It's about the deleterious message Rogan pushes to the masses, not just one person's personal opinion
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  40. Do we know the specifics of the contract? Netflix last minute axed Kevin Spacey even though he was planned for the final season of House of Cards. Surely these companies allow themselves pullout contingencies
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  41. So glad Neil Young's taking a stand actually did some serious damage to them, lots of people laughed it off as a futile effort
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