Comments by "the truth hurts" (@thetruthhurts7675) on "Record number of nurses quitting the NHS in England – BBC News" video.

@xsentfromuk8938 Basically you are telling me my ex wife is wrong, she is in charge of a mental health section of the NHS, and has been a mental health nurse (with a doctorate in Mental health now) for over 30 years, and you are saying my ex wife is lying to me. That is your point here is it? Before you answer this think hard on your reply. There are very many people with far more complex jobs than nursing. There have always been more patiemts than nurses, there has never been a time when the number of nurses to patients is the same, or even near parity. I don't know where in the uk you are from but to be honest I have been in London hospitals with family, southampton Hospitals with family, our local ones, and even Yorkshire hospitals, and other than a Saturday evening i have never seen violence towards staff verbal, or physical. An aggressive nurse broke my ex wife's grandmothers femur (thigh bone) while we were there because she insited my ex wife's grandmother move in a certain way, that she could not, and she was so aggresive the break was audible, as were the screams from a 90 year old woman. Most situations even my wife says are caused by nursing staff not explaining exactly what is going to happen, or why. My eldest son was treated with nothing short of shall we say angellic treatment, nothing was too much, and this was King's College Hospital London on the NHS, not private where you get less nurses, and medical staff per person as most of these people will find out. Real stress by the way in the medical world, is when you are doing battle medicine in a war zone, and being shot at continuously. not doing as you are told, following simple instructions (which every often they do not), and monitoring machines as they do now in a heated airconditioned ward.
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@whatfruit7965 Wow is that meant to be hurtful here? She is my ex wife because we drifted apart, nothing else. Strangely she knows I wrote this because I have just got off the phone with her. We are good friends, but nothing else now. She admits she doesn't work hard, she chooses her 4 days a week and what time she finishes. She runs a county wide mental health team, and the mental health department. She did have a very stressful job when we met though and still to this daty says nuring is a doddle comapred to modelling, which is the main reason she switched. She says most nurses now haven't a clue when they moan about hours worked, or stress, and has on record said the only stress in her life is that caused by her new boss, another woman!!!!!!
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This is not true. It is about pay, or rather the fact that they all can work via agencies who charge the NHS exhorbitant amounts of Money for their labour. These people, like in France, should be told they HAVE to do 40 hours NHS work every week before getting lower wages in the private sector. Private hosoitals in france are owned by the state, and run by private health care systems who all make profits despite having to charge less by French law than the French NHS for any treatment. Nurses DO NOT get treated badly by patients, families, and hospital systems, those leaving don't go abroad, they simply want to rip the NHS off. Most eventually come back to the NHS because they get better terms for their jobs!!
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@NermalSunny Ok What did I put because whatever i wrote was the truth. At least give me a clue as this is one year old now.
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@csuporj Yes compared to many people health care workers live in a paradise, and say they are overworked, when in reality all they have to do is follow a very simple set of rules, and guidelines. Most so called understaffing is simply so that "bank" shifts can be used regularly giving nursing staff the same hours, but higher wages because they "volunteered for Overtime." Nurses regularly "go ill" to allow bank shifts to be worked, and then get the hours they should have worked later but at a higher rate. Anyone who chooses to be a nurse accepts the shallenges they are getting into when they take the position, it isn't as if someone suddenly changes the rules like in Teaching for example!!
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@xsentfromuk8938 12.5 hour shifts? In a hospital, when I was away from home 6 days a week (weekends included for my previous job) and living in Hotels!! Stress? My sons have both spent time in Hospital, and family have done so as well, my ex is a mental health nurse who started in the community, working inside a hospital honestly you truthfully have no idea of what stress is until you have dealt with mentally ill patients, or drug addicts on a daily basis as my ex wife did, and still does in their homes!. Hospitals are stressful only if you are doing things incorrectly, or not organised. My previous job involves me being questioned today about accidents to aircraft, that killed or injured people this last two years, legal questions on safety, what I did, what I know the companies did after my advice, and coroners courts every time there is a crash/accident. I am in my 60's now, retired from that job ten years ago, and my first coroners court was as a young lieutenant in the Royal navy when a Captain had died in an aircrash that he was piloting. Stress is once a week sometimes slightly more often getting FAA (US)/AAIB (British)/BEA (French)/BFU (German), and any other country's air safety board paperwork through the door asking what I did, what I advised, what the company did, how components I authorised are supposed to work, etc. Every one of those has to be answered with a solicitor, and a barrister present. That is stress because I was reasonably good at my job!! There isn't a day goes by from when we were married to now that my ex wife doesn't actually say she is extremely glad she didn't understand maths, and physics at school!! Stress on a ward in a hospital, you are having a laugh here!!
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@xsentfromuk8938 It isn't only my point of view. However I simply fail to see how people who are the only people in the world to dictate their terms of employment can possibly have any stress at work. I am NOT saying you don't get stress, but compared to Police, and Prison Officers, Military Personel, Fire fighters, Airline pilots, and Rescue personnel (not an exclusiove list) health care workers in a hospital simply don't get the same level of stress. Most if NOT all people leaving the NHS go into agency work, or move abroad and do healthcare work there. Most do come back to the NHS because the stress on them in a ward environment is not as high as working for an agency, and the roles given are far less rewarding in the private sector are more regulated, and defined, but give less responsibility. Personally I would outlaw all agencies hawking people for huge amounts of money to the NHS, which was another discussion my ex and I had. She works 4 days a week, and does 2 Agency days for really a stupid amount of money. Why when she chooses should the NHS have to pay her 8 times her normal wages (yes the agency she works through charges 8 times her wages, with another twice her wages as their fee) to do exactly the same job? That is where the NHS is losing money hand over fist! However as you say we are never going to agree, your point of view is not from a battle line, or down a cave rescuing people or arresting someone who has just killed your best mate. I am being prosaic a little, but truthfully realistic when doing this. I will say thank you for the time you have given, you never know you may have been one of the staff who gave my boys, and an aunt (who the US system had told us was going to die) the best treatment in the world by the NHS, and I will as a right wing Tory always back you and your people to my dying day. I think the ideas as espoused by Churchill, and the ideas that formed the two best health care systems in the world (French, and British) are something to be marvelled at. Despite what I have written here, I do appreciate everything you do, and every day you go into work. I know like teachers most of the problems you face are government driven because they give you the rules you have to abide by. I have, and will continue to do so, defended the NHS on here, and Quora ( a question and answer site), as deeply as if it were my personal possesion. Good luck in your future, and once again thank you for the work you do. Personally I would willingly pay twice the cost of the NHS to see it reamin in Government hands (when the exhorbitant US failing system costs exactly that to the US state) exclusively, but I do know it is the best thing since sliced bread!!
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These people are ripping off the NHS by joining agencies and getting paid higher wages. The NHS should be like the French system ,where no matter what job you do in the NHS you have to work for 40 hours a week first for the NHS, then you can work for the private sector, but the cost of private healthcare in France is cheaper than their NHS, by law. The Labour party by opening up the NHS to privatisation under Blair, and allowing smaller so called regional sectors to be part privatised under Brown should be ashamed of themselves!! Even Bevan allowed the doctors to rule his plans, whilst the French just simply stated it will be illegal to strike while working in any (private, or NHS) health depeartment in the country while their nHS was set up, and today it is still illegal for French health care workers to strike, or withdraw labour even under the European directive.
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Yes correct 90% of those leaving return to their original jobs because the agencies they are going to work for may offer considerably higher pay, but treat them like animals!!
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@Jack-fs2im My ex wife has never worked more than 3 days a week, and chooses the shifts she works. She presently runs a whole county mental health system, and workd Monday to Wednesday 8am to 8 pm Her only stress is her boss, and she is a mental health nurse. I still do NOT see your point here! Why should nurses Choose when they work? The Hospital needs them 24 hours a day, why should they not work within te rota they are given? Come on you are defending the undefendible here. I do NOT know a single nurse who has retired because of Stress. whilst I do know one who relocated because of threats to her life because as the ward medication nurse she refused to falsify medical notes so that she could supply drug dealers. Come on there are very few nurses who work alone, or even do full shifts ever. Mean while rescue workers are dragged from their beds in the middle of the night, and never complain. The chose the profession, and during training they do work on the wards, so it isn't as if they are getting a shock when they start the job. I know one guy who litterally his whole working life here in the UK was getting £50 an hour back in the 1990's from an agency, so he only did agency work two days a week. You cannot choose to work for up to 7 times your normal wages by opting to work for a private company so why exactky should medical workers?
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@Jack-fs2im Sorry yes. i see. OOPS! Well I get a massive public pay sector pension as one of my two private pensions. The far larger is the one from my private pension in the company I worked for most of my adult life after leaving the RN. Though to be honest that company was only 50/50 private, and government, but the pension was a private sector pension, and pays around £25K+ a year, guaranteed from when I first got it... LOL. I also had a very "stressful" job, I travelled the world, got put up in 4, or 5 star hotels, and worked 4 days a week by choice, no it wasn't my company either.
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@Jack-fs2im Lol so that is why my government ex forces pension pays £400 a month, and the private guarenteed one only pays just over £2,500. I did double the time for the company than the time for the Navy. My basic Navy wage was higher when I left, than at the start of my other job, forces pay rises were always higher than the company i worked for as well, but the pension was amazing that was why I opted for it. Not that I am complianing about either by the way, I am grateful i have them both. Oh also for some reason the private pension is very generously based on 40th's whilst the naval pension is based on the standard 60th's. I will on my 66th birthday also get my state pension, and if i choose another much smaller private pension based upon what I did for several years after i retired early from my work, though I do fully intend to go back to that second job when I reach retirement age in the UK.
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@Jack-fs2im Erm that doesn't figure with mine. I did 12 years in the RN and get roughly £4,350 a year, I did 25 years in the other company and get roughly £30k a year. The state (public/RN) pension is as I said based on 60th's this means 60 working years from when I started aged 20, whilst the private one was extremely good at 40th's based on 40 working years (which would be 20 to 60 in age) both started paying aged 60 as well. The company constatly offered me all kinds of incentives to scrap my guaranteed pension, and have a government pension (based as I said on 60 working years until right from the 10th year i was working for them to the date I left, just under 9 years ago now, however because that was one of the main reasons I started there in the first place I always said no. Not all private pensions are worse than the public pensions is all I am saying here.
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@Jack-fs2im No i took the maximum pension, not the maximum premium lump sum from them both. you can't that I am aware of cash in the forces pensions at all. My first lump sum payments from my pensions paid my mortgage off, that is why I took it that way. I also waited two extra years for both, as the job i had at the time included wages accomodation, and free food, and drink, but not alcohol, so I get a slightly enhanced payment on both.
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