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Comments by "Dennis" (@Dennis-nc3vw) on "Men's Rights vs Feminism: Is Toxic Masculinity Real? | Middle Ground" video.
@joaquinrodolico Men lack the right to consent to parenthood, lack the right to avoid conscription, and lack the right to birth control (Obamacare and the NHS both pay for every form of female birth control, but not vasectomies). In Canada, men also lack the right to male only spaces, even domestic violence shelters, because they are a 'privileged' group. Patriarchy exists in so much as traditional gender roles exist, but what doesn't exist is a system that subjugates women for men's benefit. The idea such a system would ever exist is the biggest slap in the face to evo-psych and common sense I can think of. In what species of animal does the male prioritize the safety and well being of its competitors (other males) over its potential mates!?
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@Cewlbeans Feminism brought us the Tender Years Doctrine, not "patriarchy."
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Do you have a single fact to back that up? Most prominent MRAs are former feminists who got ridiculed and ostracized for trying to discuss men's issues through feminism. Erin Pizzey, Warren Farrell, Dean Esmay, etc.
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CDC statistics show otherwise. While women are more likely to be sexually abused than men, and more likely to endure severe physical abuse in a relationship, it is not NEARLY as one sided as feminists have manipulated us into believing. Its more like 2 to 1, rather than 99 to 1. And abuse of women is certainly is not systemic. People laugh off abused men and women who commit this abuse walk off with little to no punishment in many cases. Abuse of men is what's systemic (ie enabled by the system).
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And he does not represent Men's Rights Activists. Leftists lump all anti-feminists with MRAs, the same way Communists lump all dissenters with fascists.
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The legal system is made elected mostly by women. If you don't see politicians as your representatives, what was the point of giving women the right to vote in the first place? Also the fact that men are talking about the laws proves feminists have it backwards. Misandry is systemic while misogyny is personal.
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Women were given less power and less responsibility. Now women have more power and less responsibility.
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I doubt he even self-identifies as an MRA. I've never seen an Incel in any MRA circles. The only sexual sub-culture that's pervasive in the MRM is the MGTOW movement, which is the polar opposite of being an Incel.
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The fact they brought an Incel to represent MRAs shows they have a sinister agenda. There is virtually no overlap between those groups. The only sexual subculture with any clout in the MRM is the MGTOW movement, which is the polar opposite of the Incel movement.
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Judging by the domestic violence rates in lesbian relationships, you'd need to protect from other women if men weren't around.
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That's what comments are for.
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Feminists are the ones telling men not to argue with women.
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@couchpotatoe91 If men criticize anything about women we're told we're trying to control them and we're misogynists. Go to Glamor video about men's preferences for body hair and look at all the princesses throwing hissy fits that men dare have standards.
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@BlowsAgainsttheEmpire Men don't have our reproductive rights challenged because we have no reproductive rights.
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@BlowsAgainsttheEmpire Men reproduce, don't we?
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Mimi should change her name to Me-me-me-me-me.
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@Ult_R4nger 94 You messed up already by letting him virgin shame them. I'm sure if they sold their souls and pretended to be something they weren't like limp-dicked simp Shane here, they could have 100X the sex he has.
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You're right, men have lost our ability to control women...but are still responsible for women! Women want birth control? We gotta pay! Women want to use our DNA to gestate a child against our will? We've gotta pay! Women want abortions? We gotta pay! Women want to pop out babies they can't afford? We gotta pay! On average a woman recieves a net transfer of $100,000 from unwilling men over the course of her life.
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@JohnDoe48959 Feminism is partially responsible. Feminists campaigns on domestic violence and sexual assault have further entrenched the idea men are uniquely predisposed to evil while women are 'sugar and spice and everything nice', which makes people more eager to give us longer sentences and makes everyone reflexively side with the female in a divorce court. Feminism authored the Tender Years Doctrine, made it easy for women to get restraining orders against their husbands, and also pushed for No Fault Divorce. Also feminism helped put the teeth behind child support, which made it easier for mothers to not keep hubby around. Feminists have shut down the attempts to create Men's Centers on several college campuses. The rest is indeed the fault of "patriarchy", but only the elements of "patriarchy" that feminists exacerbates and exploits to serve its ends.
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cartohead Jesus, that's horrible! I'm sorry to hear that!
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cartohead Jesus Christ. What's the university?
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Only 5% of men would ever harm a woman, and those who would would not be moved by anything feminists say, so what are feminists trying to get out of the other 95%?
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@lionofjudah8289 Why the HELL would believe otherwise!? Of course more than 5% of women get assaulted or harassed, but sex crimes are committed by a small number of repeat offenders. Do you honestly think if a guy would grab a woman's butt without her permission, he'd stop at one!?
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Translation: You unchivalrous pigs, I AM THE DAMSEL IN THE DISTRESS! How dare you talk about your own interests!
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@Henrietta Magee It's called "on the rag", not "on the tampon" for a reason.
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When I see a male feminist, I see a guy who's making a misguided attempt to get laid. At least when feminists are female, they probably believe what they are saying.
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Do you have a single fact to back that up? Men have far less funding for our healthcare despite dying earlier, far less access to homeless shelters, no reproductive rights but full responsibilities, 85% chance of losing custody of our kids in a dispute, get longer sentences for the same crimes, can't defend ourselves from aggressive women and have almost no chance of getting a bed in a DV shelter, have no legally mandated parental leave, etc.
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Cute like puppy cute?
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@khalilfreeman7194 Sure. HeForShe totally sounds like compassion for all genders.
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Most prominent MRAs are former feminists who got ostracized and ridiculed for trying to call attention to men's issues. Helen Smith, Dean Esmay, Warren Farrell, and even Paul Elam are all former feminists.
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Fruedian slip
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"And to pay for my birth control, maternity leave, child support, alimony, welfare babies..."
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More importantly, 90% of the UNSHELTERED homeless are men.
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Warren Farrell, Dean Esmay, and Erin Pizzey all thought the same thing, until they started bringing up men's issues with their feminist comrades.
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The difference is feminism claims to be the all encompassing gender equality movement, and demands a monopoly on gender dialogue.
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Then women don't have much to worry about.
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That's interesting considering most prominent MRAs are former feminists. Warren Farrell, Erin Pizzey, Dean Esmay, etc.
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@firstlast-sm6hx A reaction against feminism, yes. They thought it was about equality but they learned it was just about female self-interest.
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The very nature of masculinity proves that's been true from the beginning. Who do you think acted more effeminate in, say, Renessiance Italy? The noblemen, or the peasant men?
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And food.
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No one believes we should. But feminists look at lack of women in board rooms as evidence of discrimination, and demands we bludgeon society into "correcting" it.
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I greatly appreciate the sentiments, but sadly feminism has never been about equality. Those feminists were always in the minority, its just you don't live in those times so you can see their legacy through the spin of historians. For instance, women got the right to their own incomes about 100 years before they got responsibility for their own incomes (ie a man could be thrown in jail for not paying his wife's debts). Even Catie Stanton Dowd said, in a private letter "We, as a sex, are infinitely superior to men."
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If Derrick wants power over women, why does he label himself an incel? The best way to give women power over you is to care about whether you get laid. PUAs and incels are just servile dogs as far as I'm concerned. Traditional society venerated and looked up to celibate men as moral authorities (Catholic priests, Buddhists monks, etc.).
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Incels are NOT MRAs. The only thing the two have in common is they both occupy the manosphere, but there is almost no overlap between the two groups. I have never seen a self-proclaimed incel in any MRA circles. The most closely associated sub-culture with the Men's Rights Movement is the MGTOW movement, which is almost the opposite of incels.
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Yeah, sure. Then explain why most prominent MRAs (Dean Esmay, Erin Pizzey, Warren Farrell) are former feminists who got ridiculed and ostracized by their sisters for bringing up those very things.
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@sweetmyth2537 Actions of a few? Erin Pizzey founded the first battered woman's shelter and Warren Farrell was the first male President of a NOW chapter. My examples are hardly cherry-picking.
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@EXTENDEDWARRANT You're a moron denying basic biology.
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Most prominent MRAs are former feminists. Erin Pizzey, Dean Esmay, Warren Farrell, even the notorious Paul Elam.
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You don't know how often men are getting touched and abused. Look at the CDC statistics. It's not nearly as one sided as you think.
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I don't know how anyone can be insane enough to think any rapist would care what other people thought about his behavior.
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@miamevans9791 I'm agreeing with you.
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Statistics show women are actually more likely to commit child abuse, factophobe.
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That's because feminism claims to be the all encompassing gender equality movement and demands a monopoly on gender dialogue. MRAs admit we delegate towards men's issues.
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Name one right men have that women don't. Just. One. I can name three rights women have that men don't: 1) The right to birth control (Obamacare covers every form of female birth control, does not cover vasectomies) 2) The right to choose parenthood (women can abort and use safe havens) 3) The right to stay home during war (only men are eligible to be drafted)
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Oh yeah at 4) The right to parental leave (the federal govt mandates maternity leave, not paternity leave) 5) The right to not be charged more for insurance (it's illegal to charge women more for health insurance, but men can be charged more for car insurance)
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@lmrussell2003 What do safe havens have to do with ovaries?
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@lmrussell2003 Okay so? We're living in the present, not the past.
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Prove it.
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I'm sure your equity doesn't apply to reproductive rights.
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@JohnDoe48959 What proof do you have they are underpaid?
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I think most coffee shop feminists genuinely want equality but they simply don't matter. The feminists with power and influence are almost universally callous man haters. Mary Koss, who invented the term "made to penetrate" to hide male rape victims in CDC statistics (the same woman who wrote the ridiculous study that said 1 in 4 women are raped on college campus), is a textbook example of this.
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To make MRAs look bad. There is basically no overlap between Incles and MRAs. The most closely associated sexual subculture with the MRM is the MGTOW movement, which is basically the opposite of the Incels.
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@lolamiramontes3275 Feminism: Women fighting gender roles by playing damsel in distress
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Almost?
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