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Comments by "Missile Auto-Guidé Interception et Combat" (@Etendard1708) on "Crony Capitalism Built Indonesia's Biggest Business Empire" video.

@lukaswilhelm9290 Ah fellow Indonesian, finally. So many chinese here are biased. They enjoy life in Indonesia & Malaysia, able to enjoy equal career opportunity, even allowed to become important figure in politics & business. Unlike how the Han Chinese treat Uighur or Aboriginal Taiwanese (Ming & Qing Dynasty).
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@aaronlimeuchin7352 Not diverting the fact that most of Malaysian communist rebels are Chinese and it even got support from Mao Zedong (not Soviet). Majority the founders of Communist Malaysia were: Chin Peng, Lee Meng, Lau Yew, Yeung Kwo, etc
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@malakatan3235 I'm a non muslim but cringed so much at your unloyalty as an Indonesian. I saw your comments everywhere being pro-P.R.China. Kinda ironic too that you people accusing NU. I have muslim cousin and he is in NU. NU is now actually the most tolerant & moderate muslim movement in Indonesia, they even guard our churches & temples from terr0rists attacks. Compared to HTI and such.
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@era7928 Nah, no. You never read history. Millions were killed only during 1965-1966 anticommunist purge. And the victims were not mostly chinese.. instead large majority of it were farmers and labors of Javanese descent accused of Communist membership. While in 1998 riot, which happened only in Jakarta, the casualties never reaching above hundreds. On the other side of the coin.. if communist ruled.. pretty sure it would be similar to when China-backed Khmer Rouge regime causing millions lost their lives between 1976-1978 in Cambodia.
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@hailyrizzo5428 You chinese-malaysian/foreigner are always trying to make Indonesians & Malaysians fighting each other for your own benefit. We are brothers, literally "serumpun" (one nation).
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@malakatan3235 LOL. We saw your comments everywhere, "Malaka Tan". In this channel you claim not being pro P.R.China. But elsewhere, you are. In channels of Kompas, in CGTN, in CCTV, etc.
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@era7928 It's one way or another. P.R.China also planned a regime change too in Malaysia and Indonesia by supporting each country's communist party. In Malaysia it was more severe: broke out into armed conflict "Malayan Emergency". In Cambodia, the China-backed Khmer Rouge successfully ruled in 1976-1978 causing millions lost their lives. It was between rock and hard place.
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@agps4418 Oh elo ngomongin toxic nationalism/chauvinisme? Sama aja di China juga ada kok. Yes negara kita ada kekurangan (SAYA juga minoritas di sini), tapi gak separah di Mainland China yg masih rasis ke non Han Chinese & non member Partai Komunis China. Atau bahkan negara Asia Timur memang secara garis besar memang masih rasis karena masyarakatnya konformis/gak menerima pendatang/perbedaan, makanya populasinya sangat homogen, imigran gak bisa jadi orang penting di negara Asia Timur. Kalo elo gak setuju silahkan angkat kaki saja ke negara kesukaanmu..
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@malakatan3235 Nowhere as severe as the treatment of P.R.China of the Uighur & Tibetan people (mention how many of them are able to become business conglomerate or a minister?). Or Han Chinese wiping out Aboriginal Taiwanese during Ming & Qing rule.
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@hailyrizzo5428 Ha.. Chinese promoting divides in another country. How dare you talking about Papua one of Indonesia's numerous provinces, when you treated the Uighur & Tibet much worse? How dare you talking like that after separating Korea into two countries? How dare you talking like that after wiping out Aboriginal Formosans during Ming & Qing Dynasty?
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@agps4418 Plenty of European-Indonesian (Indos) became celebrities in Indonesia, Arab-Indonesians in religious affairs & economy, Chinese-Indonesians are allowed in politics and businesses, and ethnic Papuans working in state-owned companies plus became a minister of Indonesian government (Yohana Yembise). Can you tell me is there any Hong Kong citizen of Pakistan/Indian descent who became a minister in P.R.China? Or Uighurs as dominating conglomerate in P.R.China's economy? None.
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@agps4418 Coba loe sebutin apakah ada orang Hong Kong keturunan Pakistan/Punjabi/India atau orang Uighur.. sekaligus bukan anggota partai komunis china yg bisa jadi menteri di RRC atau jadi konglomerat di sana? Gak ada.. Bandingin dengan Indonesia.. di mana seorang Kwik Kian Gie (chinese) atau Anies Baswedan (yemeni arab) yg keturunan imigran bisa jadi menteri (minister).. pun keluarga Sri Prakash Lohia (India) dan Sudono Salim (Chinese) boleh kok jadi konglomerat bisnis (business tycoon) di Indonesia?
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Nowhere as bad as Uighurs or Tibetans where the natives were displaced by Han Chinese and they are now largely sinicized. Chinese in Indonesia still can celebrate their cultural heritages.
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@era7928 You are wrong. P.R.China had major influence in Malaysia's communist movement in 1948-1970. Even succeeded in backing Khmer Rouge power struggle in Cambodia since 1960s and then caused massive displacement of population between 1976-1978.
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@malakatan3235 P.R.China still denied the "Tong Chup incident", a war cr1me which happened during China invasion of Vietnam in 1979. While America at least admit it, P.R.China denied everything. Both of your country are same.
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@KeyaanPoon To us Indonesians, we admit that 1965-1966 was a dark chapter of Indonesia history. But these Chinese supremacists always steering the narratives as if the incident was about "Indonesia being racist on chinese". No. It is wrong. The large majority of victims of 1965-1966 massacre were Sumatran & Javanese farmers or labors accused of being Communists. And it was still nowhere on the same scale as the victims of "Great Leap Ahead" by Mao Zedong or the China-backed Khmer Rouge in Cambodia 1976-1978.
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@malakatan3235 LOL the irony. Pot calling a kettle black. I saw you generalizing Islam (our muslim brothers) in the comment above. And lot of us have been observing your comments on CGTN, CCTV, Kompas, CNN Indonesia, etc mostly pro-P.R.China.. dear "Malaka Tan".
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@resanovyanto9594 banyak propagandais chauvinis china di sini
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@Cecilia-ky3uw No matter how worse the person are.. whether it is racist Anies Baswedan (yemeni arab descent) or corrupt Edy Tansil (chinese descent).. the fact that their family have been living in Indonesia for many generations are testament that Indonesia is not really racist. Nowhere as severe as discrimination of P.R.China toward Tibetans, Uighurs, or Catholics in China.. the wiping out of Aboriginal Taiwanese by Ming & Qing Dynasty.. the ill treatment of Native Americans by US.. or the wiping out of Circassians and Ukrainians by the Russians.
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@malakatan3235 LOL you chinese also hate Islam (while NU's Islam is predominant in Indonesia). That's literally your comment above.
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@agps4418 Absolutely "nothing happened" to Aboriginal Formosans whom Han Chinese had sidelined during Ming & Qing Dynasty, "nothing happened" to Uighurs, "nothing happened" in Tiananmen Square 1989.
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@zenlei8258 But HK is an autonomous region anyway. We talk about the central government bruh. Not even ethnic Koreans in China (and especially if he/she is not a CCP member) are allowed to participate as business tycoon or minister in P.R.China's central government.. let alone Uighurs, or other non Han Chinese? Compare it with ethnic Koreans who are able to establish big company in Japan like Masayoshi Son (Softbank) and Shin Hyuk Ho (Lotte Group).. or like Sudono Salim in Indonesia (thanks to Suharto's hands).
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@NicholasPangaribuan LOL "full blood Sumatran". Liar. China had intervened in other countries: supported PKI's rise in the government & promised to arm them with license-made SKS rifles (Chung rifles) if "Angkatan Kelima" proposal was approved (it was not approved by Gen. Ahmad Yani however), supported Khmer Rouge/Pol Pot coup which successfully took over Cambodia in 1976-1978, supported Malaysia communist rebellion since 1948-1970s, etc.
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@AKAtheA Not really. All of its population speak same national language. Compare it with India or Malaysia which minority couldn't speak the national language.
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@idk_wtf_is_going_on9614 Why don't you criticize Thailand policy on why Chinese had to use Thai name, why Americans forced Italian immigrants to anglicize their name, or why Aboriginal Taiwanese during Ming & Qing dynasty era were forced to adopt Han Chinese culture?
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You are wrong indeed. Is Indonesia really racist? But these immigrant descendants of Arab, Chinese, and Indian were granted opportunity to become businessmen. Indonesia is already tolerant. If Indonesia is racist, they all would be put into concentration camp like Myanmar did to Rohingya & Karen people or like P.R.China to Uighur people.
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@CuriosityCircuit2024 US never apologized about its intervention in Chile, P.R.China never apologized for killing millions of oppositions during "Great Leap Forward" and "Cultural Revolution" purge and never apologizes for the invasion of Vietnam in 1979 including "The Tong Chup"war cr1me tragedy, USSR never apologized for displacing the Dagestanis and Ukrainians during Stalin times. These great powers are all b*llsh*t bro.
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@hcdtrs9684 Nowhere as worse as when Americans forced Italian and German immigrants to anglicized their name & and abandoned their culture. Or when Han Chinese sinicized Uighurs, Manchurians, Inner Mongolians, and Tibetans.. while prevented them from dominating important aspects of their life whether it is central government politics or economy.
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What are you rambling about. If Indonesia was racist at the first place, then those immigrants of Arab, Indian, Chinese descent were already kicked out long time ago.. not allowed to enter the country. The fact that chinese descendants are able to lived here for generations and allowed to held high position including in business.. is actually a tolerance. Meanwhile can you point out how many non-Han Chinese (like Uighurs) & non-CCP member who can held positions in the P.R.China government???
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LOL what a nonsense. Ethnic Arab, India, and Chinese in Indonesia have been living for many generations and have equal opportunity & enjoy live better than the Uighurs in Mainland P.R.China. Or than Aboriginal Formosan people whom Han Chinese had wiped out and sidelined in their own native land during Ming & Qing Dynasty.
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star grow all were design by both US, China, Soviet.. you keep blaming Indonesians for being racist but you forget how the problem of minorities in those countries are not even solved yet.
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@KeyaanPoon Exactly. History is written by the victors.. whether it is USA, P.R.China, or Russia.. but somehow for them it is always the smaller countries as being the only ones guilty.
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@marsilio4328 Elo ngotot masa lalu terus hahahaha. Kita bicara sekarang boss.. pasca Gus Dur. Nyatanya sekarang etnis Tionghoa, Arab, India boleh jadi menteri, boleh jadi polisi (Hendra Setiawan orang Tionghoa perwira polisi yg ikut kasus Sambo, apa kabar??), boleh jadi konglomerat. Sedangkan diskriminasi terhadap etnis minoritas di USA, Russia, RR.China aja masih ada hingga sekarang.
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But at least Adani is an Indian. Not arab, chinese, or anything
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All of these terms in economy is actually from "western". Why are you so anti-western? Beside, ironically these Chinese-Indonesians & Suharto authoritarian regime are all pro-US.
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@aranjohn5502 nowhere as severe as P.R. China's treatment on Tibet & Uighur people and Myanmar people on Karen & Rohingya people.
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Not playing victim. You chinese are the ones who are playing victim. Remember who wiped out the aboriginal Formosans during Ming & Qing Dynasty? You come to another land and displaced the local population. Meanwhile Indonesia never come to other country and say "you should be obliterated". Indonesia even allowed these Arabs, Chinese, and Indian descendants of immigrants to become important figure in government seat (Kwik Kian Gie & Bob Hasan), CEOs (Sudono Salim), military (John Lie), etc. But is there any descendants of immigrants, non-Han Chinese, who are allowed to be important figure in P.R.China? Nope.
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@aranjohn5502 LOL as if Mainland Chinese are not racist themselves.
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Sounds racist. No wonder they don't like you.
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Ada, tapi sejak Soeharto.. itu semua berubah. Siapa yang ngasih persenan besar ke Harto, itulah yang disayang, dibesarkan, dan dijadikan kroni/circle nya Harto.
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No.. it sounds more like kleptocracy to me. Because Suharto and his circle robbed our country's money away for their own entertainment.
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It is indeed a dictator.. without him, Indonesia's economy wouldn't be dominated by certain ethnic.
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@gundarvarr1024 It quite the reverse actually. Plenty of Koreans became founder of big Japanese companies: Masayoshi Son (Softbank), Shin Kyuk-Ho and Shin Dong-bin (Lotte), and Masahiro Miki (ABC-Mart)
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Which is why this corrupt crony capitalism & suharto reign made 32 years of Indonesia's journey gone to waste. Its economy is now still dominated by very vew families.
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Not really. According to Indonesian themselves.. Suharto regime and his favoritism to Sudono Salim etc had destroyed the country for 32 years. Only few families dominating Indonesia's economy. The inequality gap in Indonesia is high because of that. FYI, Sudono Salim (Lim Siew Liong) was involved in corruption scandal with Suharto in the 1950s, when Suharto became a commander of Diponegoro Division in Central Java. Suharto was reprimanded by his superior General Ahmad Yani, because of the power abuse. But then 1965 coup happened, Ahmad Yani was murdered, and Suharto came into full power in 1970s.
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Yep. Except any further damage was prevented thanks to 1998 protest which ousted Suharto from his absolute power. Meanwhile, at least Russian oligarchy is held by Russians themselves not immigrants or anything.. so it's a mixed feeling.
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Populous country doesn't always mean = positive. Unemployment is high & currently Indonesia our country is still ridden with economic inequality gap problem. Even US & China being the most populous countries are having difficulty in managing its demography.
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@devatsdb7 thanks to foreign propaganda, especially by Gaddafi (Gaddafi backed Aceh separatists & Peruvian Shining Path rebels).. Aceh separatists thinks it is entitled, it thinks it contributes more for the country (merasa paling berjasa sendiri).. but they forgot that other region: Siak Sultanate, Yogyakarta Sultanate, East Java, Bali, Molucca, North Sumatera etc were also contributing to Indonesia's independence efforts.
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Zaydan Alfariz Brunei doesn't have inequality gap so wide and its economy is not dominated by certain ethnic of immigrant descendants.
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Haily Rizzo What genocide? 1998 riot was not even a genocide and not all Indonesians approved that. It was an attempt by Suharto to divert the blame after his failure in preventing 1997 crisis, but failed to widespread and only happened in Jakarta. The victims of 1998 riot also include native Indonesians like the protesters from Trisakti University and activists like Widji Thukul. But of course you gonna ignore that. US/China/Russian narratives are always forced on smaller countries' throat.. according to you, only Indonesians are exclusively at fault.
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@marsilio4328 We treat the descendants of the immigrants (Arab, Chinese, Indians) better than China treated aboriginal Formosans & Uighurs, Americans treated Native Americans, or Russians treated Ukrainians & Circassians.. just saying. Is there any Uighur & non CCP member became a minister in P.R.China? Like Kwik Kian Gie (Chinese) or Ali Alatas (Arab) became minister in Indonesia? Nooope.
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@marsilio4328 Lu gak nyadar betapa bebasnya media di Indonesia membahas masalah peristiwa 1965-1966 serta 1998? Serta Tanjung Priok 1984 atau Peristiwa Penembakan Dili 1991? Tapi pernah gak lu menemui Russia mengakui perbuatannya saat Holodomor di Ukraina, atau China terhadap rakyat Uighur & Aborigin Formosa, atau USA terhadap minoritas Hispanik atau orang asli Amerika?
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My previous comment literally says we admit that 1965-1966 was horrible, 1998 incident was horrible. How dare you say Indonesians are being denial? However, the context of those incidents are being steered by Chinese supremacists as remotely just a case of "Indonesia being racist toward Chinese". Not really. 1965-1966 victims are largely Native Indonesians who were accused of being communist sympathizers and the 1998 riot also saw many Indonesians non-Chinese became victims of Suharto regime including the missing activists.
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Except India doesn't have Arab or Chinese immigrants which makes their social situation even more complicated.
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@waleed8530 except Jews were not as expansive as Chinese. Chinese conquered other land and even made other people displaced (Uighurs, Nanman people, Aboriginal Formosans).. while Jews instead of conquering & gained more land in the ancient times, lost their homeland.
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@The0ldg0at Ah CCP bot. OK.
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Also the "using local name policy" is not just in Indonesia or in P.R.China only. For example during Ottoman times many Armenians, Greeks, Albanians, and Bosnians were Turkicized. Or like Thailand where it was obligated for non-ethnic Thai (including ethnic Chinese in Thailand) to use Thai names.
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@ramumanickam1643 Except I'm not a muslim. I'm a nonmuslim. Yes we received discrimination, but Chinese behavior of being unloyal and being loyal either to Dutch, then American, or then currently to P.R.China made us further be stigmatized by the majority and further discriminated in society.. we are even more being perceived as unloyal.
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@rainz4599 Your situation is less worse than the Christians in Pakistan, low caste Hindus in India, Tibetans/Uighurs/Catholics of China in P.R.China or Aboriginal Taiwanese during Ming-Qing Dynasty, Native Americans in USA, Kurds in Turkey, or Ukrainians during Stalin's rule. Indonesia has racism but nowhere as severe. In fact, Indians, Chinese, Arabs in Indonesia can hold important positions in politics and economy.
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@rainz4599 Narasi negara besar AS, Rusia, China selalu memojokkan Indonesia. Padahal merek lah yang pendatang ke negeri ini. Jika Indonesia rasis mungkin sekarang Indonesia akan terdiri dari 1 bangsa saja dan tidak beragam etnis/agamanya karena menolak pendatang di masa lalu.
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The policy of making ethnic Chinese to change their name with local name actually make them easier to blend to local population (benefitting them). Remember, Thailand already had the same policy: urging non Thai (including the ethnic chinese) to use Thai names.
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@hcdtrs9684 So before you criticize Indonesia.. ask China about the forced sinicization toward non Han Chinese, ask why Thai forced non-Thai to use Thai name, ask Americans why they urged Italian and Hispanic immigrants to abandon their culture and anglicized their name.
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Except Adani is a native Indian.
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aran john Even Chinese in Malaysia is allowed to speak their own language.. but why Uighur not allowed to speak their own language?
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star grow All design by USA/Russia/China in the cold war. These big powers are always cornering smaller countries like Indonesia with their narratives, as if only smaller countries who are at fauit. *MEANWHILE*: Cambodia massacre for example happened because of Khmer Rouge 1976-1978 was backed by China; Pinochet purge toward communists were backes by US; the Holodomor massacre to Ukrainians was happened because of Soviet Russia.
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How can you be so ignorant when you already knew that Indonesia's economy is dominated by conglomerates, leftover of Suharto's (New Order) regime.
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At least Korean chaebol are held by Korean families.. not Arab, Indian, Chinese, or any foreign/descendants of immigrants family.
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@gundarvarr1024 Like whom? Mention a Korean chaebol who is of Chinese/Japanese descendant??
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If you are an Indonesian, lu harusnya tau kalo Sudono Salim & Bob Hasan korupsi dgn Soeharto sejak 1950an, jauh sebelum Soeharto berkuasa.
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@lukaswilhelm9290 Sudah ada usaha untuk hal tsb, dengan kebijakan ekonomi Ali-Baba.. tapi yang terjadi malah penyelewengan & menguntungkan satu pihak saja.
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At least Indonesians admit their dark past. Meanwhile Chinese supremacists always being denial about the poor treatment toward Tibetans and the dark past involving wiping out the Aboriginal Formosans.. and the Tiananmen Square Incident 1989
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@baron7199 Sejarah versi mana itu? Kebijakan Ali Baba kan bertujuan agar etnis Tionghoa yg sudah enak-enakan di masa penjajahan Belanda dan mempunyai bisnis sejak masa Belanda agar mentransfer ilmunya kepada golongan pribumi dan menghapuskan kesenjangan. Note: Etnis Tionghoa dan Timur Asing berada di strata di atas Pribumi, diijinkan bersekolah sampai taraf SMA (HBS), dan diperbolehkan bekerja dengan Belanda misal sebagi supplier, pegawai pemerintahan (ambtenaar), jaksa, administrator perkebunan, pemungut pajak (terkhususnya dilakukan oleh para Kapitan China), dll
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@baron7199 Lha iya, Indonesia punya jejak sejarah kelam. Namun pernahkah kau bertanya sejarah kelam di bangsa lain? India terhadap minoritas muslimnya, Pakistan terhadap minoritas nonmuslimnya, China mainland terhadap non Han Chinese (Tibet, Uighur dan kalo ditarik mundur beberapa ribu tahun: pada Vietnam & Aborigin Formosa), dll?
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Ironically you chinese have quite racist remark toward non chinese
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Kinda ironic that Suharto used to favor Chinese businessmen like Roby Tjahjadi (who was involved in car smuggling business) than the local honest Police General Hoegeng Iman Santoso (whom Suharto had deposed after Hoegeng tried to reveal the car smuggling business in Jakarta).
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LOL no. India doesn't have its economy dominated by immigrant descendants whether it is Chinese, Arabs, or anything.
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Except Bavaria's were owned by the Germans themselves not foreigners. Crony capitalism was bad because of Suharto and his corrupt friend Salim from the beginning..
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More like kleptocracy than capitalism like in EU
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Zaydan Alfariz Not really. Nowhere as severe as Indonesia: HM Sampoerna, Salim Group, Astra, Asian Agri, Kawan Lama Group (Ace Hardware), Kompas Group, MNC Group, Djarum Group, Gudang Garam, Gramedia.. LOL all sectors you're even more f**ked up.
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Zaydan Alfariz Corruption case also done by immigrant descendants. Chinese: Robby Tjahjadi's smuggling activities (this is the man who made honest Police General Hoegeng fired from his position), Sudono Salim & Bob Hasan deals with Suharto, Edy Tansil, Harun Masiku, Meikarta problem, Djoko Chandra, Hendra Kurniawan, etc. Arab: Nazarudin, Hesham Al Warouq (Century Bank), etc.
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Zaydan Alfariz Not in all sectors as in case with Indonesia, its sector is dominated by either descendants of Chinese, Suharto's offsprings, or Indian immigrants. Being an absolute monarchy too, Brunei could kick out that companies if the Monarch is willing.
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@radizanakiz666 and chinese also makes narratives.. make "bad guy" "good guy" polarization.. saying Indonesians being racist.. saying 1998 was an ethniccleansing.. saying things like "without Chinese, Indonesia won't be as thriving as it is today" blablablabla
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Zaydan Alfariz Aceh was not the only one who donated gold for Indonesia's independence efforts. Siak Sultanate & Yogyakarta Sultanate also donated large amount of cash from their treasury. Also, remember the biggest battle ever occured during Independence War was in East Java (Surabaya).. they paid with blood. Life is more valuable than gold and they sacrificed their life.
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MSS China was responsible in arming the Communist Party of Indonesia with "Chung" rifle (SKS license made by P.R.China) donation (for "Angkatan Kelima"). And enabled Khmer Rouge to be in power.. causing mass killings in Cambodia between 1976-1978 (which was stopped by Vietnam, the Vietnam got invaded hy China in 1979)
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@malakatan3235 Western propaganda? LOL I'm an Indonesian, non-muslim. It's unloyal ethnic Chinese pro P.R.China like you who makes other minorities in Indonesia got stigmatized & persecuted even more.
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@malakatan3235 LOL and yet you enjoy lavish life in Indonesia. You are allowed to do normally dude. What a parasite: living in Indonesia while hating Indonesia too. Now I ask you did China ever admit what they did on Aboriginal Formosans? Uighurs? Catholics in China? Tibetans?
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@franktoh3041 Ah typical Chinese chauviniist, you always think you are never wrong.
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@Cecilia-ky3uw Uighurs/Tibetans in China & American Hawaii beg to differ. Why you insist on blaming the smaller countries, while the problem in big countries themselves are not yet solved? Also if Indonesia is racist.. then these people of immigrant descent are not allowed from participating in society at all.. Indians like Raam Punjabi, Sri Prakash Lohia, etc; Chinese like Liem Siew Liong aka Sudono Salim, Lie Moe Tie (Mochtar Riady), Bob Hasan, etc; Arabs like Anies Baswedan, Shihab clan, etc
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@Cecilia-ky3uw Oh on which scale? Can you point out? There are many of my Papuan friends at university who would disagree with you. Papuans have special quotas/special path for becoming state-owned (BUMN) and government employees, many of us could ever dreamed on (it is a desirable jobs for us Indonesians). Papuans are also allowed to become minister (e.g. Yohana Yembise) and government officials in their own region. Meanwhile, can an immigrant of Hong Kong Indian descent or Uighur descent be a minister in China's central government? LOL.
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@Cecilia-ky3uw According to Dutch-Indonesia agreement (Round Table Conference, Den Haag 1949).. the territory of Indonesia consisted of former Dutch Eat Indies territory ("uti possidetis iuris") and Dutch promised to talk about solving the Papuan issue. But Dutch betrayed the agreement, thus the nationalization of Dutch companies in indonesia. Also, Papuans are equally Indonesian citizens not colonized: they are not forced to use Javanese names, they keep their religion (even christian Indonesians are happy with their presence), and not enslaved. Meanwhile, the same cannot be said about Aboriginal Formosans treatment during Ming & Qing Dynasty, Uighurs treatment during P.R.China's era, or the wiping out of Native Americans in USA.
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@marsilio4328 Yep double standards by the big countries.. US/Russia/China.. always pressing on the smaller countries while the issue of minorities in their own countries are not even solved yet.
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@marsilio4328 Which massacre? Have you read my comment above? Need to explain allover again? 1965-1966? Was not an ethnic cleansing toward chinese indonesians, it was a massacre toward people accused of being Communists.. the largest victims came from Javanese farmers and labors. Yes it was horrible. 1998 riot? The victims were not only exclusively Chinese, many of them were non-Chinese like the missing activists (Widji Thukul the poet being the most prominent). Yes it was horrible. You don't raise voice for them too? Secondly, P.R.China not only not acknowledging the massacres toward political dissidents during "Cultural Revolution", Uighurs, Tiananmen Square protesters, etc.. but also not yet granting rights for non Han Chinese to become central figures in Politics & Economy until today.
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@marsilio4328 Denying what? Are you an Indonesian like me? Do you even understand the history? The context around 1965-1966 or 1998? You seem are not an Indonesian. Bisa gak kau ngomong Indonesia, paling gak bisa. Meanwhile P.R.China still being denial of its treatment toward minority. Here, a coin. Go criticize them, not just Indonesia.
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@marsilio4328 Read the comments above. Or if you are an Indonesian, talk with me with bahasa Indonesia.. seems like you don't know the history of Indonesia.
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Malaka Tan You Chinese, Americans, Russians would always demand smaller countries (us) everything and shove your narratives into our throat.
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Meanwhile? Did P.R.China already admits that it conducted the "Tong Chup" massacre during 1979 invasion to Vietnam? Or acknowledging its fault on supporting the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia 1976-1978? Or to millions of its own citizens during "Great Leap Ahead" and "Cultural Revolution" purge? Did the Chinese supremacists like you admit about the wipe out of Aboriginal Formosans during Ming & Qing Dynasty? Double standards.
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@hachibidelta4237 Uh.. you never heard the Holodomor then. Or the displacement of Armenian population from Artsakh.. which was the root of Azerbaijan-Armenian conflict. Or before the Soviet era: Circassian massacre.
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@Wdasgo Pertanyaannya kenapa lu nuduh Indonesia jahat kepada etnis Tionghoa, apalagi sejak era Abdurrachman Wachid? Padahal ada orang2 yang memperjuangkan demokrasi? Lu nyalahin Indonesia tapi kenapa lu terus bisa hidup di sini? Kenapa lu boleh bergerak di bidang ekonomi dll (kesempatan setara)? Tanpa kalian berada di kamp konsentrasi macam Uighur di China atau dipaksa berdoa sembunyi-sembunyi macam umat Katolik di China?
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@androiduser9086 Bukan berarti juga diulang-ulang untuk memojokkan negara sendiri. Sementara di negara adidaya RRC, Amerika Serikat, dan Russia aja perlakuan ke minoritas juga masih belum baik. Apalagi RRC.. pernah nemu etnis Uighur & non anggota Partai Komunis China jadi orang penting di central government nya? Gak pernah. Masalah di Indonesia cukup jadi masalah antara orang Indonesia sendiri, kita gak perlu didikte orang asing apalagi penganut supremasi kulit putih & supremasi Han chinese (memang ada loh istilah tsb, itu tidak dibuat-buat).
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@hailyrizzo5428 Of course the government admit. What's wrong with it? We Indonesians are democratic & tolerant nation .. too tolerant perhaps so that Indians, Arabs, Chinese are able to hold our important positions.. even if we are a small country. Unlike Chinese supremac1st who never apologize for what they did toward Aboriginal Formosans during Ming & Qing dynasty & the treatment of P.R.China toward Tibetans, Uighurs, Inner Mongolians, and Catholic of China.. or what P.R.China did to Vietnam like the Tong Chup m4ssacre of 1979.
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@lunix3259 Not just islamophobia or your own religion.. these Chinese supremac1sts already blame you all Indonesians no matter what your religion is.
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@peekaboopeekaboo1165 some pro-P.R.China & han China supremacist propagandist.
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@bunnystrasse Past is past all of those you mentioned mostly happened during Suharto times. While China is still oppressing its Uighur & Tibetan minority, Pakistan still oppressing its Hindu minority, etc
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@bunnystrasse 1965 massacres? The victim is not just ethnic Chinese but most of it were farmers, labors, even armed forces members, government workers, ordinary people accused of being Communist Party of Indonesia (PKI) sympathizers.. most of them were in Java (ethnic Javanese) since this tragedy was in Java island. Think of it as similar as the Stalin's Purge in Soviet or Mao's Cultural Revolution Purge.. but the victims were reversed: communists instead.
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Except Jews are not spreading their people all over the world. Or imposing their culture over other country's culture. And now Israel is relatively secluded, compared to expansionist P.R.China. Also.. I bet Israel is not happy with P.R.China now because Iran is China's friend...
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@baron7199 Typical chinese supremacists.. when you demand Indonesians to admit their dark past, you don't want to admit Chinese's own dark past
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@baron7199 LOL. Kau ceracau apaan sih, b0d0h?? Orang Tionghoa, Arab, India sudah diberikan hak yg sama sebagai WNI pasca Orba, kita jangan bicara masa lalu lagi. Bahkan dibolehkan jadi orang penting di politik & ekonomi. Kwik Kian Gie (chindo) jadi menteri, Nganies (arab) jadi Gubernur, Sri Prakash Lohia (india) jadi salah satu taipan bisnis Indonesia.
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@baron7199 Sementara lu nuntut2 Indonesia, chindo.. kenapa lu gak nuntut agar India memperlakukan minoritas muslimnya dgn setara, atau Pakistan memperlakukan nonmuslimnya secara setara, atau China RRC meminta maaf atas apa yg terjadi pada Aborigin Formosa & Tibet serta berhenti memperlakukan Uighur dgn buruk?
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@baron7199 Uighur, Tibet, Aborigin Formosa bukanlah bangsa pendatang seperti halnya Timur Asing (Arab, India, Chinese) di Indonesia. Mereka adalah orang asli di tanah mereka sendiri. Itu aja mereka diperlakukan buruk oleh supremacist Han Chinese.
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@rainz4599 You are criticizing Indonesia yet you still live in Indonesia ... what a parasite. You don't look how even more severe the situation of interethnic relation in other countries.
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@idk_wtf_is_going_on9614 Ha. Invading Singapore? Not really. But P.R.China seems like to invade its neighbor's sea. Yesterday China's Coast Guard was caught inside North Natuna Sea. Let alone those artificial islands built over Philippines & Vietnamese sea. Of course Chinese supremacist like you don't oppose it.
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@rainz4599 I'm not comparing. But you are the one who demand "fairness". While (yes) Indonesia had dark past, Chinese themselves also had dark past. Every nation has a dark past, dude.
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@ramumanickam1643 Mgr. Soegijapranata said: 100% orang katolik = 100% orang Indonesia
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Zaydan Alfariz Di Aceh dan Papua boleh pakai hukum sendiri & tidak dipaksa pakai nama Jawa, orang Chinese sekarang pun juga bebas milih nama sendiri. Sedangkan di Thailand orang non etnis Thai termasuk Chinese masih wajib pakai nama Thailand (google aja sendiri) & di China sendiri orang non etnis Han mengalami sinifikasi (tidak bisa pake nama asli).
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@jjsamuelgunn1136 I don't do whataboutism. Every nation has dark past. But why you Western and Chinese always insist on blaming Indonesia? Yes Indonesia has dark past, but how about yours? Solved yet? It's like pot calling kettle black.
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@rainz4599 "Just sharing" but actually "menjelek-jelekkan" / cornering Indonesia
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@rainz4599 Alah lu sendiri juga bikin asumsi seolah2 lu sendiri yg jadi victim pas kejadian kerusuhan 1998 itu. Banyak non chinese jadi victim, lu gak liat demonstran kayak Widji Thukul dan mahasiswa2 Trisakti? Lu gak liat orang-orang yg dihilangkan Suharto?
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@rainz4599 You also made assumption as if only ethnic Chinese were the victim of 1998 riot in Jakarta and made as it appears to be "Indonesians being racist toward Chinese" while actually it was Soeharto's diverting the protesters attention by scapegoating the Chinese (but it was failed to widespread & only localized in Jakarta). You forgot that many non-Chinese (like Widji Thukul - a notable poor Javanese poet) were missing because of Suharto regime.
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@rainz4599 You forgot that non Chinese like Timorese became victims of Suharto regime in 1991 (Santa Cruz Incident), locals who became victims during Tanjung Priok 1984, the murder of labor woman Marsinah, the murder of "Bernas" news media reporter by Suharto, or the victims of force eviction during Suharto-era Kedungombo Dam development.
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@jjsamuelgunn1136 This video is not also a justification for cornering the Indonesians or to amplify US/Russia/China/Arab etc narratives to our throat. The fact that racism happens everywhere even in much worse scale than in Indonesia now (after Suharto dictatiorship went down). The fact that Arabs, Indians, and Chinese can be a business tycoons are example of democracy in Indonesia.. unlike how Uighurs and Tibetans are stripped from its identities & unable to equally participate in the central government of P.R.China.
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@jonijoestar6871 This.. you get my point
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@aliceyan8808 Yep. Thanks to Indonesian government under Gus Dur (Abdurrachman Wahid) efforts and apology/reconciliation in early 2000s, the interfaith and interethnic situation in Indonesia has became much better, even if not perfect. Just ignore the US, P.R.China, Russians, and Saudi Arabia supporters shoving their narratives into smaller countries mouth. They have minority issues not solved yet, far worse even.. yet they taunt other countries.
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Olivia Winani The ancestors of the Manchu people, the Jurchen, originally formed the Jin dynasty located to the Song dynasty's northeast. The Jurchen Jin already started assimilating Han Chinese language, and even their Jurchen script was influenced by Chinese characters (hanzi). So they were already Sinicized from the start and even more Sinicized when they became the holder of Qing dynasty. Beside they are not foreigners anyway, they were literally on the same continent. Unlike the relation between India and British.. or Indonesia with Chinese, Arab, and Indian. Locals & foreigners. Different continent and whole different civilization.
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@jordyj4126 Yeah we talk about today, not Suharto anymore. Now is now. That's like talking about Nazi Germany where its relevancy to today's circumstance is very little, because today's Germans are not like Germans under Hitler. Meanwhile P.R.China is still under CCP and still systematically oppresses the Uighurs & Tibetans. Or like in Pakistan where Christians are still discriminated. Or like India where Hindu supremac1st is still prevalent in India's politics.
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@jordyj4126 This video is not just about Suharto time. This video is about crony capitalism which still dominates even until today. So it's about today.
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Jo Nathan? Why, can't handle the truth? If Indonesians are not tolerant then why we have multiple ethnics, why people of immigrant descent (Arab, Indian, Chinese, Indo-European) are allowed to hold important position in Indonesia including made their own hegemony in economy? Why negative people of immigrant descent like Anies Baswedan (arab) & Edy Tansil (chinese) are allowed to be born and be wealthy in Indonesia?
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@jordyj4126 Well you also remember the case of Benny Moerdani being blamed for Tanjung Priok 1984 despite it was an order from Suharto? You forget that in 1998 there were also many non-ethnic Chinese e.g. Widji Thukul (javanese Indonesian) who became victim of the riot? You don't see how Munir Thalib (an arab Indonesian) lost his life just because he demands the justice for what happened in the 1998? It's not just about Chinese. The world is not going around you only.
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@jordyj4126 You forget that Hendra Setiawan (a chinese) is allowed to be general in Police force. Unlike non Han Chinese unable to become important figure in Chinese central government.
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