Comments by "Siana Gearz" (@SianaGearz) on "William Spaniel"
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That is a somewhat silly leap of logic. Because Ukraine in this context is none of these things, well it is one of these things, nationality, but it's not an ideology and not an ethnicity. Ukraine is a state that comprises its citizens, who are multi ethnic and have a variety of ideologies.
So you would suggest that subjugation and oppression is worse than death, which I assure you we aren't that suicidal. You can recover from slavery, you can't recover from death.
The calculation here is different. That we need to push Russia back hard because otherwise they'll come back deadlier, they need to be shown their place in the world, namely that they don't have the right to interfere in their neighbours' business. You can't have a truce with Russia, and you can't count on it not sacrificing millions of its own citizens. We'll definitely need a NATO membership going forward for protection, but for that, our territorial integrity in internationally recognised borders needs to be restored.
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@irinasandlers1337 I would say Russia didn't WANT to join NATO. Putin made some public gestures in that direction around that time, but it was purely a PR move, to just signal what sort of a nice upstanding guy and real democrat he is supposed to be, a sort of illusion that many Western leaders were mislead by. It's betrayed by the fact that he never entered negotiations, never filed the paperwork, never made a single tangible step towards it.
In contrast, Ukrainian Pres. Kuchma did think joining NATO was potentially a way forward to Ukraine, now that it was defenceless after it was forced to give up the nukes, and lead with liberalisation and openness reforms which would enable that in the future. In part as a result of such reforms and the overall trajectory, his own corruption schemes became public, Orange Revolution happened and his party was voted out. He will be remembered relatively fondly though in the grand scheme of things, since he did steward economic recovery and important reforms both, and when it was his time to go, he went.
But these sort of reforms are not something Putin would ever implement. His course of action was consolidation of power, which runs completely counter to the sorts of reforms that NATO demands of you.
Ultimately even first wanting to join NATO and then rallying against it is hardly a contradiction per se: if you have a powerful potential enemy, wouldn't you want to make them an ally instead? The problem with NATO ultimately isn't that it could attack Russia, but that it would weaken his control of Ukraine and other neighbours, so in a way the confrontation became real; but it's also self-inflicted by Putin, a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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@irinasandlers1337 They say in history, there are no givens... (история не знает сослагательного наклонения) - speculating is a thankless task. But the legs of the revolution and the corresponding counter-revolution that then allowed the Donbas insurgence and the Crimea secession grow from many a place, but leading in numerous ways to Yanukovich specifically. It has long been a course of action that Russia chose, to interfere with Ukraine in many a way. One key feature of the Yanukovich system (and not only his, it's inherited but it got so much worse and so much more dangerous under him due to corruption and reshuffling of courts and power structures in his favour etc, he single-handedly undid so much progress and made it even worse) is the centralised system of government - where the regional governors are assigned by Kyiv rather than locally elected. So they know when there's a government change on the charges of corruption, especially a revolutionary one, there is going to be a grand sweep, and they'll be gone, probably locked up and lose everything. This is why a number of those allied with Yanukovich and with Russia and why you can't investigate what happened in Odessa, since all the evidence is gone - regional government was implicated, so it had cleaned things up real good.
Poroshenko fixed it, but not out of his own accord - he was forced to by Russia under Minsk agreements! Russia thought Ukraine where at least some regional corruption is possible is more amenable to their goals than one which is cleaned up completely, but the result is the more internationally renowned, more resilient system that can effectively prevent collapse of the whole state no matter what. Sometimes the way things work out, the causal chain reactions, it's absurd, you can't make this shit up!
Russia deems itself strong - it calls itself a "federation" on paper, but in reality there are no federative features left at all, uprooted one by one, it's all controlled by one guy and a handful of his cronies. And it considers this centralised structure a strength rather than a weakness, and it's deeply mistaken. Russia doesn't understand democracy, why it's workable if you're super thorough with it, why it's the most robust and adaptable system of governance. Or how to build international and domestic relationships based on mutual benefit rather than on force, corruption and trickery. Indeed, Ukraine as of 20 years ago was very amenable to deeply economically integrate with Russia and follow its lead, had it shown itself to be that, cooperative rather than hostile. Russia could have been one of the wealthiest countries on Earth as a democracy, and a reliable partner of EU and Ukraine. I think about these things a lot and the sheer tragedy, i can't hold back my tears. And then i recall the destruction that so many cities in Ukraine are experiencing now and i cry more.
I see in the future an emergence of a much stronger Ukraine, one where the political system has earned a deserved trust of the population, and a stronger economy, but it'll be a difficult way there and things might go wrong yet. And we'll suffer a lot of loss.
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This comment seems to forget that Russia had the largest and most lasting success in the south of Ukraine, particularly forces attacking from Crimean direction to capture Melitopol and Kherson, and then link up with Donbas forces. And then look at the geography where Crimea connects to Ukraine, it's marshes, lakes and lagoons, mostly unpassable save for 2-3 little thin connections, basically funnels, looks like an ideal trap for an attacker. Ukrainian armed forces say they were facing an absolutely overwhelming force, they say 14 times their size, so their only choice was to run basically. While you were looking at Kyiv, they took the south and did it swiftly and in force. Melitopol on first of March, Kherson a day later, Enerhodar another 3 days later, Tokmak also around that time, by March 11th, they destroyed Volnovakha and Mariupol was fully encircled as well.
In contrast the attack on Kyiv failed completely. So which was the first target of the war? If Kyiv was more important, why did they try to capture it with forces spread so thin? A city of 3 million people, you need massive forces. There were so few fighters and supplies and weaponry and so fast and loose, that the failure there is hardly a surprise, success imaginable (especially to Putin's yes-men) but realistically more of a long shot. Kyiv was a legitimate goal, but not nearly as important as the south.
Ultimately had they managed to capture Kyiv, make the current government silently disappear, and Boyko/Medvedchuk government take their place; from there on, Russian forces would only have to suppress dissent, not fight a war. You don't need to do much when you have a puppet government accomplishing the goals for you. But the real war was in the south.
Oh also aren't VDV show-offs with little to no actual fight experience?
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@justshokh Well fact of the matter is we're all in this together, and we get the consequences together. Including consequences that are yet to come not a few months or a year or two down the line, but 20, 30, 40 years, generations. You can't just sell out a neighbour to a despotic regime and expect it to end well, we have historic precedent over here, several. Selling out the future and the country i know well, used to live in, remember the streets, have friends, speak the languages, to pacify your inner neurotic - not with me.
As a matter of fact we wouldn't have had a nuclear threat had we shown Kremlin a harder stance leading up. Germany's corrupt Schröder and incompetent Merkel made Germany appear like a Russian pawn that would tilt Europe in support and help Russia effectively bypass sanctions, and this formed a key leverage in Putin's plan. Then he tested us in 2014 and prior and we just watched and danced around the issue such as to not inconvenience or "endanger" ourselves. It was prime time to take a small risk back then and avoid the larger one we're having now; and second best time is now to take a somewhat larger risk and avoid a yet bigger one next time. And Putin isn't the only hazard we have to concern ourselves with, when Putin tests us and we show weakness, others take notice.
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I like that you represent Prigozhin in the uniform of his culinary company.
4:35 Prigozhin: Salt yours? SALT MINE.
5:30 OMG WHAT WHY IS THIS SO PERFECT!
4:45 Stop. Sledgehammertime! (keywords: Wagner, Nuzhin, sledgehammer, EU, violin-case)
May i relay a little bit of an observation made by i think colonel Hamish de Bretton-Gordon at The Telegraph. Shortly after mutiny announcement videos by Prigozhin, there was a public video message by Surovikin, urging Prigozhin to stand down, published barely within hours. So this journalist notes that some things are highly unusual about it, for one Surovikin doesn't appear to behave quite right, also he's unshaven which never happens, and most damningly he's not wearing his shoulder rank insignia, while being in uniform. He concludes that by that point early on in the coup, Surovikin was likely already arrested and stripped of rank, and the video message may have not been entirely voluntary.
In a voice message to the world after the mutiny, Prigozhin said they actually split up right up front. He headed a group that captured Rostov on Don; while Utkin headed the Moscow storm path. There has been a video message today as well. I think he would be wise not to let us know his location, but he isn't what one would call missing.
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@javierfrancia1938 Russia has been able to mislead a lot of people into believing that it's great by claiming to be the successor of Soviet Union; in reality a third of Soviet military-industrial complex was Russian, a third was Ukrainian, a third everyone else taken together. And Ukraine bore a lot of higher tech end of things. All ended up with incomplete, somewhat dysfunctional bits and bobs.
What Russia had going for itself after separation is master plans for all Soviet equipment (but not necessarily the know-how to produce it), practical control over nuclear warheads, larger population than Ukraine (but not more educated) and hydrocarbon dollars. But the riches aren't worth much if they're stolen along the way. Ukraine and Russia inherited a similar degree of corruption, but while Ukraine continuously reduced it starting mid 2000s, Russia built it up, since this became the instrument of the ruling apparatus for holding onto power. Thus any possible claim about the alleged advantage of Russia by "orders of magnitude", is exaggerated by orders of magnitude.
And larger is not always better. Russia has 3 times the population for 4+ times the border length and a couple dozen times the area - thus the physical extent is not an asset, it's a burden, since people are spread thin; many of them in climate and nature ill fit to sustain life, plus huge infrastructure overhead to connect them to necessities. And yet these people are needed where they are for the functioning of the state.
Lay off the "Soros media" claim. You know who pushes Ukrainians into this war? Kremlin. It's not like there's Soros-adjacent media in Russia left (if there are, name them), so who pushed them to invade? And if some country invaded yours, don't you believe you and most of your mates would go hard on defending it?
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@polarvortex3294 I don't think you're wrong, but it's difficult to say. So far Russia has been successful in suppressing dissent; however war like this sure isn't helping!
But look you can't look in the head of Putin. Anything you imagine him thinking might very well be wrong.
What we do know is that he completely lacks ability to trust people, to him, as he quipped once while talking to Venedictov, there are two kinds of people, enemies, and not-yet-enemies, future backstabbers. So he can't ever just retire. So his recipe has been consolidation of power. I also think he's unable to draw a clear line between his own needs and desires, and those of Russia, to him they might as well be one and the same. Whether he imagines himself a deep thinker? Doubt. He sure wants to project this image, but also because it's useful.
Taking Kyiv was realistically at best a long shot. They had... how many troops trying to take a city of THREE MILLION? Spread super thin? And while you were distracted looking there, they took the whole south in 2 weeks flat. Melitopol and Kherson fell in days, and then they rapidly linked up and surrounded the whole Azov coast.
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"relatively" does spectacular feats of heavy lifting here, because relative to what. Getting conscripted isn't very safe (hazing deaths are not uncommon), getting sent to the front line in Ukraine is even less safe, having a health condition is quite unsafe, roads buildings and infrastructure crumble from neglect, wealthy people run over people in their large SUVs and evade prosecution by corruption, people get accidentally killed by their drunk neighbours and relatives, kids get killed by bullies, some people get beaten to death by police just randomly, if you're unlucky you might even freeze or starve to death, there's so many tens thousands of "seasonal" deaths every winter not even worth a headline. But yeah if you ignore all that it's "safe".
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