Comments by "No One" (@joermundgand) on "Owen Jones meets Mary Lou McDonald | 'Ireland will not be collateral damage for a Tory Brexit'" video.

  1. Ian Harrison. Though I'm not an arab speaker, but I've been informed by those who can speak arab that Osama Bin Laden spoke beautiful classical Arabic.
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  2. EMB 2017. Why would a reunification of former Soviet republics lead to war when its basically what the vast majority of people in the former Soviet republics want. It would be voted in democratically too. You see what I did here, I exposed your stupidity for all to see.
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  3. cdog1990able. There is no moral equivalency. One stole millions of pounds in the from charities aidiing people in the third world, one didn't. One sees men as inferior humans, the other doesn't. Also LMAO at the idea of the far left not being bad. Are you familiar with their work in Russia and China?
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  4. thetroyzernator. Loves democracy until the vote is against you, hypocrisy on display.
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  5. Taint ABird. At the time of the referendum there was 54,000 EU citizens in NI, mostly from Poland and Lithuania, then there are the ones who have chosen to become British citizens and settled in NI, they aren't included in this number, this is the sole reason for the increase in catholics in NI in the last 20 years and I feel that I must state this repeatedly, they have no connection to Ireland at all.
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  6. thetroyzernator. Northern Ireland is a part of the UK, the UK as a whole voted leave, if Northern Ireland desires to remain in the EU it must have a referendum with three options on the ballot, these are the three options, 1. Remain a part of the UK, 2. Independent Northern Ireland 3. Join the Republic of Ireland. Once a plesbicite has been held a mandate to determine their fate will have legitimacy, the last two options grants either the possibility of joining the EU or it automatically grants membership if Ireland accepts Northern Ireland becoming a part of the Republic. The first option is a Northern Irish mandate for leave. Is this specific enough my anti democratic compadre.
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  7. intempify. A world in which truth is considered relative, right and wrong extinguished, the ends justifying the means every time.
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  8. Brendan Gavaghan. There is very little good in you, you seem to be a fanatic, an arrogant smug fanatic who have dreams of violence without ever having experienced it, have you ever felt that sick iron taste in your mouth after.
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  9. Brendan Gavaghan. I'm not a a unionist, I'm a realist, the kind who dislikes fanatics regardless of their creed, the Brexit campaign was no more deceitful that than the remain campaign, with one crucial difference, brexit removes power from unelected bureaucrats, it's a small step in giving power back to individuals.
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  10. I have a alternative solution, why not have an independent Northern Ireland, it won't be a part of Ireland and it won't be a part of the United Kingdom.
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  11. McFraneth Fradet. Everything you just wrote is absolute nonsense, according to your "logic" the people of Ireland should vacate the island and leave it to fictional goidelic natives.
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  12. Aaron Martin. Why not?, seriously why not, you have this idiot Mary Lou McDonald wanting a unified Ireland, you have other idiots wanting to remain a part of the UK, why not just realize that all of these idiots are wrong, declare Northern Ireland independent, none of the idiots get what they want and reasonable people can go back to living their lives in peace. As a bonus all the idiots will be exposed as such as they begin to attack those who want peace instead of attacking each other in their violent circlejerk.
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  13. Aaron Martin. I wonder how many of those Catholics came from the rest of the EU, will they support a unified Ireland, I doubt it, imagine somebody polish or spanish living in Northern Ireland, this individual is a catholic, the pro unification idiots will cry, look we are the majority because cathlics are the majority, which will be untrue.
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  14. Aaron Martin. I better call my Icelandic friends and tell them that they should rejoin Denmark, their independence is impossible because they don't have the capability to stand on their own, I'll be contacting the Estonians and the Latvians also, they shouldn't be independent, better they rejoin Russia because they don't have the capability, people of Bahrain, you are too small, become a part of Saudi Arabia, Trinidad and Tobago, your independence is a sham, get back under British rule.
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  15. Aaron Martin. You said it was mpossible, your belief is the only obstacle, the same goes for McFraneth, you've been told a story over and over again, the story isn't true, but now you believe it and so you allow people who really do not care for your well being to use you as pawns in a game for power.
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  16. Shane kenny. "Respect the democratic wishes of the Northern Irish people who voted to REMAIN in the EU" Apples and oranges, a person may be for EU and against a unified Ireland.
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  17. Silent Audio. The evidence is the plesbicite.
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  18. And so will the balkanization of Britain be, btw McFraneth, do you eally think in your naive vision that there won't be those who violently object to being annexed.
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  19. I think they are right to be anxious, after independence the Irish State allowed the Roman Catholic Church to take over the entire educational system, which then caused the protestant supporters of independence to switch sides, this fact is among the things that aren't taugh in Irish schools. They are however taught in Danish schools. I mean the argument presented here by this Sinn Fein moron is idiotic, the majority of the population in Ireland(the geographical entity) supports unification, in Northern Ireland the majority support British rule, using the argument of this Sinn Fein idiot could be aplied in any number of ways, the majority of Canadians and Americans support a single North American state, therefore Canada should become a part of the United States, the majority of all people in the Indian sub continent supports a unified Indian sub continent, therefore India, Bangladesh and Pakistan should be unified.
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  20. zavi13. You are correct that a majority of Canadians do not desire to become a part of the US, some desire an independent Quebec, some in the great plains provinces of Alberta, Manitoba and Saskatchewan desire to become a part of the US, check it out if you don't believe me. That's a plurality lost, not a plurality gained by the opposing point of view, a great many people are indifferent because they consider the issue settled.
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  21. zavi13. Let's imagine somebody who imigrated to Northern Ireland after the good friday agreement, this person hasn't chosen a "side", this is an individual who simply believes that he or she lives in Northern Ireland.
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  22. Brendan Gavaghan. You claim Valera was Spanish, he was Irish and a catholic nationalist, the nationalists had many villains, were the Omagh bomber heroes when they murdered the innocents, their targets were women and children, the old and infirm, nationalist and loyalist. Deluded fool, fanatic.
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  23. Taint ABird. The majority of Russian speakers within the former Soviet Union desires to reunify the Soviet Union, the majority of people in Ireland and Northern Ireland combined desires a united Ireland, Russia is the biggest former Soviet Union republic and because they have more people they of course would be a majority in combination with Russian minorities in other former Soviet republics, Ireland has more people than Northern Ireland and therefore the combined populace of both desires a united Ireland. In Northern Ireland the majority is against a united Ireland, much like the majority people in the Ukraine doesn't desire to be a part of Russia.
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  24. garry walsh. And at the moment no such majority exists in Northern Ireland, the Sinn Fein talking head claimed that the majority of all of Ireland would be enough to determine the fate of the North, watch the interview, she's sneaky.
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  25. Brendan Gavaghan. I'm not a tory and I haven't said a single thing that is even remotely racist. Finding joy in the misery of others is a hallmark of the murderous fanatic. Europe is a fiction entertained by the deluded and it serves the wealthy, it is not for those who barely gets by.
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  26. Brendan Gavaghan. Eamon de Valera, Roman Catholc church granted constitutional power, provided the pretext for civil strife, in a such strife there are only villains.
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  27. Taint ABird. No the tide isn't on the side of just Irish nationalism, the tide is generally on the side of nationalism which will scuttle Mary Lou and others like her dreams of a united Ireland, let's imagine Scotland becomes independent, the Unionists are more closely tied to Scotland than they are to England, that alone would severely destroy any hopes that Republicans have of annexing Northern Ireland, the Unionists themselves will begin to advocate for independence, it is obvious at this point, that is why the politicians at Westminister are walking around in a trance like confused zombies, the writing is on the wall, EU is dying and Britain will cease to exist, which means that the different parts will become independent states, how are you going to cry Brits out when Britain no longer exists? Or are you going to cry Scots out, that would be interesting, leftwing independent Scotland villified by lunatic Republicans, this is but one scenario btw.
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  28. Taint ABird. "Poles and Lithuanians also have no connection to a Brexit UK." True, they have a connection with the place they live and with their homelands, which means that they would prefer Ireland and Britain to not rock the boat, I don't see that happening, somebody like Mary Lou will make sure of it.
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  29. Taint ABird. "Mary-Lou and SF are seeking a border poll for a 50% +1 majority for Irish unity. The Irish government will block such a poll as it opens an appalling vista of a divisive constitutional change reminiscent of the Brexit referendum, but with higher stakes. The Irish government will need to see a large minority of unionists in favour before there will be any agreement by Dublin for a poll on the border." With good reason, 200,000 angry people in armed revolt is a bit of a problem.
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  30. Taint ABird. I'm not a unionist or a republican I see two groups of brainwashed retards and I guarantee you that Irish nationalism and Unionism will very soon become obsolete, so will Ireland itself later and the UK.
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  31. Taint ABird. "any notions of NI independence can hardly be considered worthy of serious consideration: there is no political or economic argument for it." Translated, fuck liberty or freedom, gimme money.
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  32. Taint ABird. "An independent Irish state will always exist, though it will continue to evolve too." Ireland isn't an independent state, it's vassal used by the banks as a tax haven.
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  33. Taint ABird. Poland and the EU isn't on the best terms right now, you might wanna consider that they aren't too keen on the whole thing anymore.
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  34. Declan Walsh. So she desires for Ireland to become a part of the United Kingdom, a reunification.
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  35. Hannah Dyson. Correct and by proxy so does this supposed nice upper middle class lady from Dublin.
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  36. Hannah Dyson. Correct, that's the problem, Owen and others like him thinks this lady is nice and full of spice, others swear by Saint Paisley and thinks that their team are all good and can do no wrong, the truth is that they are a cornucopia of giant arseholes.
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  37. Did you purge the connection to Getty images, a new low.
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  38. The Road to Wigan Pier, I hope against hope that people learn from history, Mary Lou and Owen Jones haven't learned at all.
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  39. "acceptance of diversity" The annihilation of the cultures of the plebs, huzzah for the few and their vision of how things should be, our new overlords will pretend for a while to care the rights of individuals.
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  40. thetroyzernator. Self deception is the worst kind of deception.
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  41. "democratic expression" Technocracy with the trappings of Democracy, what a loathsome idea. A sham Democracy for the many, a Technocracy for the "enlighthened ones", no thank you.
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  42. thetroyzernator. "I'm not anti democratic at all. And no, it's not specific enough because you still haven't said where I was anti democratic." You are, you refuse acknowledge the result of a plebiscite that included the entirety of the franchise, that makes you anti democratic. "The people of Northern Ireland voted to stay. So while I agree the mandate of the people of the UK as a whole was to leave, the mandate of the people of Scotland and Northern Ireland wasn't. There is no way of being democratic." So did London and Scotland, yet nobody in their right mind would advocate for them leaving the UK due to this, the last vote for Scottish parliament proved this to be the case. "There was not a vote on the UK leaving the single market. There is no mandate anywhere for this. So why not just stay in the single market which satisfies leaving the EU and that way we won't have to worry about a hard border?" There was, you lost in a free and fair plebiscite and it's a poitical union that aspires to becoming a state. Unfortunately it has no legitimacy because it isn't a democracy. "Although your plebiscite would also be interesting. But it's the unionists who would be terrified of such a proposition." Not if they were to keep the Queen as the monarch and remain a part of the commonwealth. That would make it palatable for them. As a bonus people would start voting within Northern Ireand according to socioeconomics and the DUP wouldn't prop up a tory government.
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  43. thetroyzernator. "I'm not dismissing the results of the plebiscite. I'm not disputing that the entirety of the UK voted for Brexit. I'm saying that it matters that some parts didn't. And that it should colour in the type of deal being negotiated." No it should not, the rules were agreed on beforehand, the result is known, you and others like you didn't like the result and are inventing excuses circumvent democracy, that is undemocratic and makes you an enemy of democracy. "Can you show me on the ballot paper where it gave the general public the option to leave or stay in the single market? Or the customs union? As I've explained already, Brexit is so complicated and people voted for so many different reasons. You had right wing free traders and left wing protectionists both voting for Brexit. Do you honestly think they cast their ballot with the same post Brexit vision? Of course not." Leave or remain, yes or no, everybody was aware of what that meant, another attempt to delegimitize the plebiscite, undemocratic and authoritarian. "Britain will leave the EU as it should. Unless there's a second referendum, which I think people are entitled to after seeing the deal available." No, article 50 has been triggered, the decision has been made and the executive and the legislature must implement it. To not do so would be undemocratic and authortarian. "I think a United Ireland joining the Commonwealth is a no brainer along with a broad constitutional settlement. Ireland having a monarch is simply a non starter though." I think that's up to the people of Northern Ireland to decide, three options on the ballot, free and fair, those who wish to remain a part of the EU but who doesn't desire to be a part of the Republic can vote for an independent Northern Ireland.
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  44. thetroyzernator. "Where am I circumventing democracy? I am agreeing with you that Brexit should happen." You desire another referendum on a flimsy excuse, how many referendums, one more, what if you lose again the polls suggest that the defeat for remain(which should have been called stay, but the usual trickery with words was employed, remain sounds benign, leave sounds scary, stay sounds like a command)seems even more likely in a second referendum, so you'll whine again and demand a third referendum, you don't like democracy at all do you. "You're right, the option was to leave or remain the European Union. Staying the single market has nothing to do with this. It's not anti democratic to stay in the single market." That would make Britain a vassal with no influence on laws passed with the consent of the governed, like Norway. "It's not just up to the people of the North of Ireland actually, we have the right down south as well in a border poll. And any mention of adopted a monarchy unacceptable. It's fundamentally incompatible with being a Republic." No you don't, you have the rights afforded to you by your parliament and as members of the franchise in the Republic, rights which you've bartered away and have chosen to become a tax haven for some of the most unsavory people on the planet.
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  45. thetroyzernator. Do I need to remind you that there are three options, not just two. "It's not just up to the people of the North of Ireland actually, we have the right down south as well in a border poll. And any mention of adopted a monarchy unacceptable. It's fundamentally incompatible with being a Republic."
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  46. thetroyzernator. Because the other two options will if Mary Lou and her opposite number is allowed to control the narrative will reboot futile bloodshed, and the good friday agreement wouldn't be needed if Northern Ireland was independent, that's why, there a a lot English speaking nations in the World, what difference does it make if there is one more. Besides all the Celtic and Rangers fans hate the English as much as they hate each other, why not use their mutual loathing of Westminister to unify them.
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  47. thetroyzernator. Ireland is at the moment a EU vassal, so your argument isn't that solid, all economies are integrated to a lesser or greater extent, it is for the populace of a nation to decide the degree to which that is true in a democracy. By that metric so is Ireland when you really think about it, should Ireland simply abolish itself because it is a small country, besides there are many countries in the World that are smaller than Northern Irelæand and are quite successful, Iceland and Singapore are fantastically prosperous nations and I would argue that the Icelanders in particular are probably the people on the planet who have the most individual freedom. You've just explained why the Unionists in the past had no desire to join the Republic, especially the fact that the Catholic Church were to run the educational system was a big reason for the Prostestants to abandon the republican movement. Besides, it is not for the people of Ireland to dictate what another nation of people should be, self determination is paramount in a democracy.
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  48. thetroyzernator. Incorrect, Iceland is not in the single market, they trade freely with other nations, they have bilateral trade deals wth the EU, they have the same arrangement with the US, Canada and Mexico who are the major nations in NAFTA. You are a vassal, a vassal pays tribute, you do that, a vassal has no say in it's defence(you are not a NATO member and has to obey without having any influence on the policies of the alliance), Ireland, the penultimate vassal. Why, they could just tell Ireland and the UK to go fuck themselves, it doesn't really matter, be a vassal of the EU or the UK, horrible options.
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  49. thetroyzernator. Yes, there are still publicly funded catholic schools in Northern Ireland and Ireland, the only Protestant schools that receive public funding are open for a single day each week, how odd.
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  50. thetroyzernator. Big difference, only religion is engaging in religious doctrination by clergy in the public school system even to this day.
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  51. thetroyzernator. Iceland is not in the single market, a bilateral trade agreement exists between the EU and Iceland, Iceland has many bilateral trade agreements, they have a bilateral trade agreement with Japan. The peopl of Iceland have the least limitations on free of expression in the World, they used this to make their discontent about the financial services sector a public issue and succeded after the 2008 crash to imprison bankers for fraud, Embezzlement tc... Meanwhile in Ireland all the bankers were bailed out and the politicians did nothing, instead they follow the guidelines from the EU and not a single banker has been imprisoned in Ireland, instead a single individual among a multitude was offered up as a sacrificial lamb and paid a fine of 100.000 €, he is awaiting trial, but he's not incarcerated, congratulations Ireland, the Cayman Isles of Europe. David Drumm will never go to jail, he'll pay a fine and little Mary Lou and other puppets for multinational financial entities will laugh at the idiots of Ireland.
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  52. thetroyzernator. There's a big difference between a teacher reading the bible and a member of the clergy reading the bible, one is employed by the state, the other is employed by the state and the church. Separation of church and state is kind of important in a secular society.
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  53. thetroyzernator. Latest opinion poll in Iceland concerning EU membership. Date, February 2017, Join EU. Yes: 25.9%, No: 54%, Unsure: 20.1%, Iceland literacy rate: 99%, Iceland IQ: 101-102. Compare with Ireland, remember these are the most literate people in the world who produces more literature per capita than any other nation on Earth who are rejecting the EU.
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  54. thetroyzernator. "They pay into the EU budget and take the vast majority of the EUs laws without having a role in shaping them." Incorrect, they do not pay into it, they in order to export goods follow legislation on manufacturing and packaging of goods. In fact it is a sweet deal for them, the EU being run by idiots allow Iceland to generate a surplus in exports at about 1.1 billion Euros. They have recently opted out of the EU regulations on banking in certain areas. It is not surprising that you are ignorant of these matters, Ireland average IQ: 92, Ireland literacy rate: 77% according to the Irish government, ignorance is bliss.
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  55. Cailin Eire. I did read a history book, the remaining 27% of the vote almost all lived in the North, Ireland would have been unable to suppress 23% of the populace at the time of independence, civil war would have been immediate. Especially considering that the proposed constitution enshrined Catholicism as the defacto state religion.
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  56. Cailin Eire."800 years of british occupation." Do you really think that medieval and renaissance warlords cared about nations, that a warlord who spoke Gaelic would be any different as a master than one who spoke French, Welsh or English, foolish little child
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  57. Let it go, soon there won't be an Ireland, there will be province number 23 governed by a EU technocrat at the behest of your corporate overlords
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  58. Anthony Burke. Nah, just the market state replacing the nation state which replaced the princely state.
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  59. Anthony Burke. Here you are, a little history for the retarded incarnation of Anthony D. Burke. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princely_state https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_state https://newsok.com/article/5515584/phillip-bobbitts-books-on-the-formation-of-the-market-state?
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  60. intempify. There will be several market states competing against each other in this vision of the future that certain people have invested a lot of time bringing about, these states will be governed by technocrats, they'll be technocratic, expert rule, the plebs will have to obey and consume, that's the plan. It's not even a secret that this is what a great many political and financial leaders are working towards.
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  61. intempify. These states are still in their infancy, TPP, NAFTA, EU, UNASUR, CSTO, SCO.
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  62. intempify. I've read the books which informs their view of what they would like to see come to pass and I saw a world of horror, human dignity trampled underfoot in the name of progress.
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  63. In order to unite Ireland you would have to murder app 150,000 human beings, good luck.
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  64. intempify. "Can’t see why having separate nations being automatically better." That depends on the nation, Norway is clearly better than Saudi Arabia.
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  65. intempify. Having many small states is preferable to having large imperial states, in a small nation state the individual has a greater importance, the individual can therefore influence their rulers more efficiently because power is far less insulated. The rulers have only one option if they desire to become autocratic, they would have to suppress the individual using draconian means and the individual can attempt to flee tyranny physically, in a large imperial state that option is more easily denied to the individual. A large state always has to become more autocratic to maintain control, it is inevitable. the EU is at this very moment enacting laws against freedom of expression at the behest of corporate power, article 13.
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  66. intempify. These market states will of course also require armies, these armies can only be comprised of mercenaries, and that is already happening, private contractors hired by corporations to serve the market state, G4S is presently the largest purveyor of these services, others are Dynacorp, Blackwaters many successor companies that obfuscate ownership still serve market states. National armies are recruited from the citizenry at large and therefore the ruler has to be more cautious when engaging in military endeavours in order to avoid populist revolts, there are no such restrictions on the armies of the market state.
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  67. intempify. But I doubt you'll ever stop listening to Owen Jones, defender of the market state, I think Owen believes that he and those who agrees with him will be granted a seat at the table of power and they'll be able to determine policy without asking the peons beneath them, these pesky little people can be so bothersome to the likes of Owen with their demands of accountability, justice and their stubborn insistence to be treated as individuals.
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  68. intempify. Owen's technical staff is supplied to him by Getty Images which is owned by the Carlyle Group, this corporation serves as a advisor to intelligence agencies and governments, their role is to provide mercs, media and influence public opinion through other means, consider them Cambridge Analytica on steroids, Owen will never tell you why he made a deal with the proverbial devil, he'll never make this information publicly available, is he ashamed of this connection to some of the worst people on the planet?
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  69. intempify. Your friend Owen's financiers. https://www.carlyle.com/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Carlyle_Group
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  70. intempify. I get people in power that are less difficult to hold accountable, the other option was to abandon whatever vestige remained of liberty. Companies come and go, that is a nice fiction, some companies don't go anywhere, they merely change names and are shuffled about to obfuscate ownership, the owners remain the same. So you are now at least admitting that Owen Jones is a massive liar, thank you, will you keep believing in his lies? You may be fine with being a peon beholden to technocrats and corporate multinationals, I'm not fine with it, that just makes you a coward who barter away dignity for a paycheck.
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  71. intempify. Coward.
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  72. intempify. You are commenting on Owen Jones channel and you do not know who he is? Norway is rich because of oil which is why I compared it to Saudi Arabia. Most people live from day to day for a paycheck, in Britain most of those people voted leave, unlike you they weren't cowards, I too live day to day for a paycheck. The World finally heading in the right direction, politicians are once more afraid of the people, that is a good thing.
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  73. intempify . Russia is economically weak, it has massive internal dissent from ethnic minorities and people who are quietly opposed to the present regime, a colossus with clay feet dependent on high oil prices to survive in its present form. It is hardly a threat and has very little reach in geopolitical terms. The US at the moment is internally divided, it's ruling elite engaged in a futile struggle for power and it's economy is about to overheat in five years due to the increase in oil production and the correlating increase in dollar supply, it is in fact so preoccupied with its internal problems that its intelligence agencies was unable to prevent a social democrat becoming the president of Mexico. The EU desires to become a fully fledged market state ruled by technocrats, the parliament is no more than a rubber stamp for unelected bureaucrats, it cannot change this state of affairs because those who hold power within a system are always opposed to change. That means that it cannot become a democracy. There is no mechanism to reform the EU in order to turn it into a true representative democracy and its rulers have absolutely no interest in doing so without pressure from the populace which lends it legitimacy, the only manner in which pressure can be applied to the EU is by saying no to it, which of course automatically will cause its destruction.
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  74. intempify. Why reinvent the wheel? It was never a wheel in the first place.
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  75. intempify. Neither has the capacity to weakens us, they really don't at the moment, what you want can only end up meaning that an EU army has to invade nations in order to control markets for its currency, is that what you want. Can I vote for the executive in the EU, no I cannot, that renders the parliament meaningless, please press start and retry. Even worse is the fact that the commision is elected by executive fiat by the member nations from a list of candidates recommended by the commission, the populace has even less influence on who becomes the executive than they do in their nation states. Normally the executive is chosen directly by the populace or by proxy, the commision is chosen a proxy by a proxy. That means that individuals have even less influence on the exceutive, less democracy, more technocracy. Religious leaders along with aristocrats are mostly pro EU, racists are a miniscule component of those who oppose it, nationalist merely describes somebody who supports the nation state, social democrats and conservatives are mostly nationalists, liberals and communists are mostly internationalists.
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  76. intempify. The commission acts as the executive, The European Commission (EC) is an institution of the European Union, responsible for proposing legislation, implementing decisions, upholding the EU treaties and managing the day-to-day business of the EU. Didn't you have civics in school? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Commission "Just that I don’t see any viable alternative to an european union, be it this present one or another one." Then we make one, that is what a person who desires a better world does.
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  77. intempify. "A nationalist is someone for whom his nation is the most important." Do you even understand what a nation state is?
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  78. Adam Sich. Perhaps it's because it's the people you left behind as you all decided to praise Blair and allowed their communities to die, but it must be nice being so insulated from reality in a nice North London neighbourhood.
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  79. You are insane.
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  80. Taint ABird. And at the moment no such majority exists in Northern Ireland, the Sinn Fein talking head claimed that the majority of all of Ireland would be enough to determine the fate of the North, watch the interview, she's sneaky.
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