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Comments by "Brad Williams" (@samsabastian5560) on "Ned Kelly: Australia's Most Famous Outlaw" video.

Katie B Actually Ned Kelly never said those words on the gallows. It was a common saying at the time and he may have said it at some time, but certainly not on the gallows.
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Jinx Dragon Your comment is wrong. Squatters did settle on land and there were some issues regarding settlers. However, the Victoria government enacted the Lands Act that gave settlers rights. By 1869 the matter was settled in favour of the settlers. It should also be noted that at the time of the Kelly outbreak there were no squatters left in the Greta area. Kelly was actually stealing horses from poor settlers, often taking their only horse that effectively sent them bankrupt. The police acted properly regarding the Kelly's as the Royal Commission found. Your comment is mythological nonsense.
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DRUNK The reputation of Victoria police in the Kelly era was very much intact as the Royal Commission found.
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@edmunns8825 The evidence clearly shows he WAS a murderer. You claim he tried to protect his family. He did nothing of the sort. He shot Constable Fitzpatrick then ran off and left his mother and other relatives to face the music. After robbing the banks not one penny of those funds went to his mother or his sisters, and it was a police officer in Benalla that raised money for the Kelly woman to ensure they did not starve. So if you claim the facts are different, let's see what you have got. Because frankly, you are repeating myths, lies and falsehoods.
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DillyDyson007 What I have written is factual. What is in this doco is seriously tainted with fictional myths. My information is provided by professional historians with PhD's on the subject. So what is your version Dilly?
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@scarto3887 Then prove it knife. You are again quoting myths and lies. Only two superintendents were recommended for retirement. The government rejected that, reinstated both of them and a few weeks later appointed them both police magistrates. Sgt Steele was recommended to be broken to the ranks. It never happened due to public support for the officer. Only 3 police were dismissed, and they were the police at Sherritts house. You are very consistent with your lies aren't you. Show us what you got. I can guarantee you will come back with a big fat O.
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@FinbarCharlesBarton0 Melbourne is named after Lord Melbourne who was prime minister of the UK at the time.
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@scarto3887 You picked a great name there son. Here is what it means. " reject, waste, scrap." You got it right for a change.
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Dougie, so you want more bank robbers, murderers, stand over thugs, thieves? What a silly comment to make.
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@sheepdog4041 Fitzpatrick was NOT given an instruction not to go to the Kelly home. Again, you are a liar.
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@metalmatt3431 I am simply telling you and others that your view of Ned Kelly is one very screwed up view, and it does not reflect the facts at all. Your claim to be a patriot is a bit off target too. You are clearly very uneducated on Ned Kelly and his criminal associates and it shows. Those who adorn themselves with Ned Kelly tattoos are clearly uneducated, illiterate and probably have a very low IQ. What did the local papers say about Ned Kelly at the time? Here is one editorial from a Benalla paper. "The Kelly Family are notorious in this district and their names are as familiar as household words. The home of the family has been the rendezvous of thieves and criminals for years, and indeed has been the centre of crime that almost surpasses belief. They lived on the Eleven-Mile Creek between Winton and Greta and made a living by horse stealing and theft. They were surrounded by neighbours of the same bad reputation and it was notorious that to obtain evidence or arrest the accused owing to the network of confederates for miles around was almost impossible." Maybe, just maybe if you were better educated on the subject you would not be so gung ho with your comments, and would learn that Ned Kelly was scum through and through as the facts show. However, if you are hell-bent on adorning yourself with criminal paraphernalia, be my guest.
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@metalmatt3431 Well Matt, if you claim to be a patriot, you would not be promoting a man who murdered, held up banks, took hostages at gunpoint and threatened them with death if they disobeyed him. He stole from poor settlers and then stood over them with the Greta Mob and threatened to do them more harm if that had the audacity to report the theft to the police. In many instances Ned Kelly's actions guaranteed that many poor settlers went bankrupt as he had taken the only horse they had. He was a stand over thug through and through. No real patriot would promote a criminal of that calibre.
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@metalmatt3431 If you are educated as you claim, why would you laud a serious criminal who was a stand over thug to poor settlers? Ned Kelly was a man who murdered, who took hostages and threatened them with death if they disobeyed, robbed banks that held poor settlers hard-earned cash, and stole horses from poor settlers effectively sending them bankrupt. Bear in mind that Ned Kelly never uttered those words 'Such is Life' on the gallows. I am sure we will all be very interested in your answer, or educated one.
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Jacobite The Pumpkin Legends do not murder, hold up banks, rob from poor settlers, use stand over tactics, take hostages or lie. Your comment is nonsense.
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@Pablo-nc6qu The reporter made it up to enhance his story.
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@mista2621 Not very bright are you?
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@alonsocushing2263 The only police that were sacked were the 3 police officers who were supposed to be guarding Aaron Sherritt. No other officers were sacked.
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@jornavyr2459 The answer to that is quite simple. There are numerous records from the period. Official government, police, courts, newspapers, letters to editors etc. What I state has generally been researched by professional historians with PhD's on the subject. Not 200 years.
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@jamesstevens8009 John Monash was not in Jerilderie when Ned Kelly was there. He was in Melbourne with his mother. You have been deceived by fictitious nonsense sport.
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@C C And tell us CC who was he at war with? He was just a very serious criminal who in the end got his just deserts.
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@godzilladude1231 If you believe that nonsense you are being led up the garden path. Most police in rural Victoria were well respected as they kept the towns folk safe from the Kelly scourge.
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@godzilladude1231 So according to you Louis, it's OK to murder police? What a disgraceful piece of ............ you are.
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Revered by buggered. Normal people know he was just a very serious criminal, and he is despised.
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@jimboblordofeskimos Your suggestion that they had been granted to freed convicts is not quite true. Most of the land grants were given to FREE settlers who came to the colony of Victoria by their own free will. Many of the squatters just took the land without a title. By 1869 the Lands Act effectively removed the Squatters and the settlers won that battle big time. That was well before the Kelly outbreak. Your comment is somewhat off track regarding trespass etc.
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@adamroodog1718 Ned Kelly did not give his mother one penny as the result of his thieving, so who did he spread the money around too?
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@adamroodog1718 The Mick Jagger movie was fiction through and through. Almost nothing factual at all. Just promoting myths invented by Kelly fans.
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@timwoodward8113 So where is your evidence to support your statement regarding the "dirty racist mungrul (sic) coppers". You have no idea tim, you have no idea at all.
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Carl, Kelly had to pay his criminal supporters who hid stolen horses on their land.
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@jadethornton7975 I suggest you read 3 books. The Kelly Gang Unmasked Ian MacFarlane. Ned Kelly A Lawless Life Dr. Doug Morrissey. Ned Kelly Selectors, Squatters and Stock Thieves Dr Doug Morrissey. Both of those authors are expert in the Kelly era and destroy the myths that proliferate regarding Ned Kelly. After reading those, you will have a very clear understanding of just how serious a criminal Ned Kelly was.
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@alonsocushing2263 Although the RC recommended some members be retired, some reduced to the ranks, some demoted and some sacked, only 3 junior police were sacked. Supts. Nicolson and Hare, who had been stood down, were re-instated by the government and a few weeks later were promoted to become police magistrates. Sgt Steele, who was recommended to be reduced to the ranks following a false allegation that he shot at Margaret Reardon as she was escaping from the hotel, was cleared of that made up nonsense in 1882. The townsfolk at Wangaratta held public meetings and were scathing of the RC recommendation regarding Steele. He retained his rank until he retired. No other police were reduced in rank, and the only officers dismissed were the three who were in Aaron Sherritts hut when he was murdered. They had no right of appeal.
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@Adroyo The rank and file police officers were not corrupt as the Royal Commission found.
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@H0901-l4u Actually there is no evidence to support your comment anywhere. Ned Kelly was a murderer and a very serious criminal. He did not want social justice, he just wanted the authorities to leave him alone, so he could carry on his criminal ways uninterrupted.
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lefthook southpaw If you are born in Australia, you are Australian. Ned Kelly always considered himself Australian.
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Captain Cook Hero's do not murder, rob banks, take hostages and threaten them with death. Hero's do not rob from poor settlers often taking the only horse they had which sent them bankrupt. Hero's do not stand-over their victims and threaten to do them more harm. How can you realistically suggest that a person of this ilk is a hero?
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lefthook southpaw Ned Kelly often told people that he considered himself Australian. He was born here of Irish parents. Fact.
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@rossyeaah Hero's do not murder, take hostages, rob banks, stand over their victims, and thieve from poor people, as Ned Kelly did. Take a good hard look at yourself Ross.
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nick hazelwood Ned Kelly does not qualify in any way shape or form as a legend. You would do well to go back to school and learn how to spell.
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@curtisbranagan So true, yet Ned Kelly never uttered those words on the gallows. Mythological nonsense as usual.
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alex williamson Actually, I think you mean farrier, not ferrier.
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@belle.m REALLY? You have no idea and what you are saying is nonsense. Ned Kelly ambushed the police party at Stringybark Creek and murdered 3 police without giving them an opportunity to surrender or even draw a weapon. He chased Sgt Kennedy for 800 metres through the bush before murdering him too. So if you claim this is incorrect, let's see some evidence for your fake story.
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@chrisl.5637 Sadly The Last Outlaw is also a work of fiction through and through.
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Grandmaster Zodd. Ned Kelly knew the horse was stolen and he stated that to two witnesses that gave evidence against him at his trial. Kelly intended to sell the horse for profit. Your comment is following the mythological nonsense that claims Kelly was falsely accused when in fact he was not. Get your facts straight sport. Your comment that the arresting police officer hit him with a pistol is true. It was not long after relatives of Kelly had almost killed the police officer by belting him over the head with a stirrup iron on the end of a stirrup leather. He was almost killed by this brutal attack by Kelly's relatives.
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@godzilladude1231 My source is real and I have provided the reference.
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@godzilladude1231 I have looked for those books. Double Trouble relates to issues that are recent and does not relate to issues in the 1870s. People reading that book call into question the authenticity and truth of what has been written. e.g. shootouts with other police in the streets of Melbourne. Adventures of the Pacific appears to have no relevance at all, and clearly is repeating made up myths about Ned Kelly's trial. The facts speak very differently about what actually happened, which was confirmed by the RC as previously stated where I have given you a reference. The RC in no way confirmed there was corruption or harassment regarding Kelly's trial. the commissioners were almost ALL anti-police, but they found there was no corruption or harassment. Can you please provide what Day said in that book with a full quote thanks if he is supposed to be quoting from the RC? I seek the truth and willing to read your material in the interests of getting the truth out there.
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@godzilladude1231 Well here is what the 1881 anti police Royal Commission commissioners said about police corruption. What is shown below comes directly from the RC. So if you say there is a document that disproves this and supports your statement - lets see it. Far too much nonsense has been written by Kelly fans lauding a very serious criminal. "It may also be mentioned that the charge of persecution of the family by the members of the police force has been frequently urged in extenuation of the crimes of the outlaws; but, after careful examination, your Commissioners have arrived at the conclusion that the police, in their dealings with the Kelly's and their relations, were simply desirous of discharging their duty conscientiously; and that no evidence has been adduced to support the allegation that either the outlaws or their friends were subjected to persecution or unnecessary annoyance at the hands of the police." Over to you Louis
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@godzilladude1231 You are so wrong with your comment. How about presenting some proof to support what you are saying. You claim the police support were of English stock. You are wrong with that statement. At the time of the Kelly outbreak 82% of the police in Victoria were either born in Ireland or descendants of Irish stock. If you claim the Irish were harassed, where is the evidence of this? In my extensive readings of historical documents, there is not a shred anywhere to support what you are saying. It has certainly been written in books by Kelly fans, without a scrap of evidence in support anywhere. So let's see some evidence please. Enlighten me with the evidence.
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@godzilladude1231 Then can you please explain why the townsfolk held public meetings to farewell the local police officer and give him gifts and money, as they had kept the towns free from the Kelly scourge. There were some corrupt police, but I believe they were in Melbourne not so much in country areas. Show us some evidence to support your claim. Also, at what time was this supposed to be occurring? Police supervision was strong in country Victoria as Constable Fitzpatrick found out, when he was dismissed without being given a reason.
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@jadethornton7975 If you say the police were very corrupt, where is the evidence to support your statement. The Royal Commission found that the police acted properly regarding the criminal activities of Ned Kelly and his associates. Ned Kelly was just a very serious criminal. It appears that you have been reading fiction and believing it.
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Colin, you have learnt nothing have you. Still pushing the myths regarding Kelly. Time you woke up sport.
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Dieter Jones, except Ned Kelly never uttered those words on the gallows. Just another made up myth.
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@robertstoudt4578 Someone who claims Ned Kelly is a hero.
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@theangryaustralian7624 Only by the ignorant and uneducated.
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@tyronemalone4158 So you got a tattoo on your body of a murderer, hostage taker, bank robber, stand-over-thug, thief and prolific liar. Very smart of you, Tyrone. And you probably have "Such is Life," somewhere in there too. BUT Ned Kelly never uttered those words.
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@mista2621 No one with half a brain would ever get a tattoo of a murderous thug. Where are your values? Or don't you have any?
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@MissMarquise Your comment is made up nonsense. The Felons Apprehension Act did NOT permit anyone to shoot on sight. Citizens could arrest the felons, and if they resisted with firearms they could return fire. Your comment is nonsense. It was the government that enacted laws that required the police to arrest Kelly supporters, not the police. Your comment that the poor were oppressed by the police is NOT TRUE. In fact the Royal Commission found that the police acted properly regarding the criminal family that the Kelly's were. Your comment about the gang returning money to farmers wives is total and complete fiction. Your making up nonsense?
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@jimboblordofeskimos You are correct. The myth about Kelly supporters waiting outside the town is simply made up nonsense. It did not happen.
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@jimboblordofeskimos You are very wrong about the convicts being granted land. Some came to Victoria, but very few were settlers. If you say you are correct, how about some evidence in support of what you are saying.
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John Mana FActual accuracy = minus 10.
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The_Jaguar_ Knight Do it - please
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Andy Ned Kelly never said those words on the gallows. Just another Kelly myth that has been disproven.
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@adamroodog1718 Talking about the Kelly era Adam.
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@adamroodog1718 That's what the facts reveal in very strong terms Adam.
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@timwoodward8113 Where is the evidence for what you are writing tim? You are making it up. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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Simon so where did you get the idea that the police were untrustworthy in the 1870's? The vast majority were well respected in their communities as they kept them safe from the Kelly scourge.
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@stmcnally001 Where the unemployable get money from the government.
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Terry There is not one shred of evidence anywhere that Ned Kelly or his family were subject to anything other than proper treatment by the police. The Royal Commission found the police acted properly regarding the criminal Kelly's.
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@allisond4737 He was convicted of receiving a stolen horse. He knew it was stolen as he told at least 2 people who gave evidence against him. He was rightly convicted.
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Colonial Gal, you are almost certainly right with your comment. Jack Lloyd got the money, but Ned was the Black Snake.
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Kimvoslice Ned Kelly NEVER mentioned a republic. It is just another made up Kelly myth. Where are you getting this nonsense from?
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@redned7771 Books written following well researched facts all agree. It is only the books written by Kelly fans that make up stories that laud a very serious criminal that confuses the issue.
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Jamie Nothing I am quoting comes from the Internet. My knowledge comes from historical records and from books written by professional historians with PhD's who have sought out and found the facts. What you are claiming is mythological nonsense without a word of truth of facts in anything you have stated. You claim the police harassed the Kelly's. Well the Royal Commission looked into that and here is what is recorded as their findings. "It may also be mentioned that the charge of persecution of the family by the members of the police force has been frequently urged in extenuation of the crimes of the outlaws; but, after careful examination, your Commissioners have arrived at the conclusion that the police, in their dealings with the Kelly's and their relations, were simply desirous of discharging their duty conscientiously; and that no evidence has been adduced to support the allegation that either the outlaws or their friends were subjected to persecution or unnecessary annoyance at the hands of the police." Now Jamie, maybe you should stop reading rubbish and try reading factual information that is readily available, and stop making claims that have no basis in fact at all.
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Jamie Another rubbish comment.
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Ayen zzz but the story you get in schools is fiction from top to bottom.
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yetigriff Australia was NOT a country of criminals. Where are you getting this nonsense from?
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Brian Taylor WRONG, totally wrong.
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Tom Smith BUT Ned Kelly NEVER uttered those words on the gallows. Total and complete fiction. Do you know you were conned?
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@FinbarCharlesBarton0 Melbourne is named after Lord Melbourne, who was PM of the UK at the time.
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@DonnieTheGent1 Are you not aware that up until 1945 the only people here were from the UK. Very few were from other countries until the 1960's when the Europeans started coming as a result of the mess that Europe was in after WW2.
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Cold Killer Hero's do not murder, hold up banks, take hostages, and thieve from poor people. He was a stand over thug and a liar. He was just a serious criminal, and certainly not a hero.
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Awesome, Australian history especially in the gold rush days in the mid 1800's is just as exciting as it was in the US, and in many cases much better.
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Jason Johinke It tells us that he had integrity and that he was intent on stopping a massacre of huge proportions that Ned Kelly intended to commit. Your understanding of this vicious criminal is sadly lacking.
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Hugh I think you mean an over rated criminal
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@alonsocushing2263 Scarto is just one of his many names. He is a Kelly nut case through and through, and NEVER provides any evidence to support his false views. He is brick thick, vicious with his personal attacks on those that present truth, and would prefer to settle a matter with his fists. Illiterate and cannot put together a sentence to save himself. I don't waste my time talking to this lunatic.
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@shannondixon9031 You guessed that right. Dee is a Kelly expert, and would leave anyone on this page for dead with facts.
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@shannondixon9031 Still waiting to see your evidence that the police were corrupt. You won't come back and you know why? Because there is no evidence anywhere that the police acted improperly towards the Kelly's.
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@shannondixon9031 Your comment is made up nonsense. Most of the Victoria police were of Irish heritage and many had served in Ireland before immigrating as free men. Very few former convicts ever became police in Victoria. By the way the Royal Commission found that the police acted properly in relation to the criminal family the Kelly's. Most of the police were well respected in the townships as they kept the people safe from for Kelly scourge. If you say I am wrong - let's see some evidence.
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Scrap to signify that you belonged to the Greta Mob.
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David The Wiki pages have been taken over by Kelly fans, and most of the information written there is a load of fictitious rubbish.
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@H0901-l4u Ned Kelly did not want social justice. He just wanted the police to leave him alone, so he could carry on his stock stealing business without police interference.
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@gordonfreeman3450 Then Gordon why did most of the people who took up land in the Greta area make a go of it? They were all poor immigrants but almost all were good decent honest hard working Christian people who made a go of it.
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lefthook southpaw He was Australian. He was born in Victoria and always considered himself Australian.
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@bradleymaxey2471 Well bradley, at least around me you get the truth spoken, not the mythological nonsense that proliferates that you probably follow.
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@bradleymaxey2471 So the locals just follow the mythological nonsense do they? Here is what the Royal Commission of 1881 said about that nonsense. "It may also be mentioned that the charge of persecution of the family by the members of the police force has been frequently urged in extenuation of the crimes of the outlaws; but, after careful examination, your Commissioners have arrived at the conclusion that the police, in their dealings with the Kelly's and their relations, were simply desirous of discharging their duty conscientiously; and that no evidence has been adduced to support the allegation that either the outlaws or their friends were subjected to persecution or unnecessary annoyance at the hands of the police." Now I suggest that next time you are talking to people where you live, you can correct them and expose the truth.
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@bradleymaxey2471 Well bradley, if you claim that, let's see some evidence.
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Hegemon1984 Victoria was a colony settled by free people. The only convicts in Victoria came into the colony via Van Diemen's Land or NSW.
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Mark Williams Then perhaps you can provide some evidence to support your statement.
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Mark, you got that right.
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@iamhis4749 There is a HUGE monument in the centre of Mansfield erected by the grateful people of Mansfield and surrounding areas in memory of the three police officers who Ned Kelly murdered. No one who murders, robs banks, takes hostages and puts them in harms way, thieves from poor settlers, often taking their only horse and effectively sending them bankrupt, then standing over them threatening more harm if they dared to report the theft to police, qualifies as a legend. At the time of his demise, the population were glad to see the end of his criminal reign. It is only in recent times that Kelly fans have written the rubbish that proliferates now glorifying a very serious criminal, and you have been sucked in big time.
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David Byrne Stupid uninformed comment. 82% of the police in Victoria were IRISH. Ned Kelly was a violent, vicious, stand-over-thug. A murderer of three IRISH police. A bank robber, a prolific thief who stole from poor settlers, including IRISH settlers. He was dealt with by the police in an appropriate manner, as the Royal Commission found. Your comment is 100% WRONG relating to the polcie dealing with Kelly.
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Rob, your comment follows mythological nonsense. The evidence shows that the lies were told by the Kelly's and not the police. You claim rape? Let's see some evidence to support your statement? You are well off track with that comment.
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@HULK-HOGAN1 Your inference that the police were to blame for Kelly turning to crime is fiction. You are out of touch with the true story.
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Y K A very uninformed comment on your part. Ned Kelly's father was rightly charged with having a calf skin in his possession. He was fined 25 pounds. There is no written record of Red Kelly ever being in a gaol in Victoria. Red Kelly drank himself to death. He did that all on his own Y K, nothing to do with the police. Ned Kelly was born into a criminal family, and he is first mentioned as a thief when he was 5 years old. The only reason Ned Kelly opposed the police was because they were rightly interfering in trying to stop him thieving other poor settlers only horse. Your understanding of Ned Kelly is sadly lacking.
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Phil Ned Kelly was never dealt a rough hand. In fact in his early teens police tried to put him on the right track, even giving him money to go to a job they organised for him. He discarded the job and turned to a life of crime all of his own volition.
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Wendigo 82% of the police in Victoria were Irish. They kept their towns safe from the scourge of the Kelly's and the Greta Mob. Here is what the Royal Commission found regarding the rank and file police. "It may also be mentioned that the charge of persecution of the family by the members of the police force has been frequently urged in extenuation of the crimes of the outlaws; but, after careful examination, your Commissioners have arrived at the conclusion that the police, in their dealings with the Kelly's and their relations, were simply desirous of discharging their duty conscientiously; and that no evidence has been adduced to support the allegation that either the outlaws or their friends were subjected to persecution or unnecessary annoyance at the hands of the police." There are the facts for all to see Wendigo. Your research is sadly wrong.
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@zember9 Byrne was shot at about 5am., so up to that time 3 murderers left to shoot at the police from Ann Jones Inn. Ned Kelly had walked straight out the back of the hotel and went for about 150 metres before he lay down behind a log and remained there until about 7.15am at dawn, when he rose and approached the police from behind. He had been seriously wounded twice in his left arm and through his right foot, and was losing a lot of blood. Why was Ned Kelly at war with the police? The police were properly paying attention to him as he bragged to having stolen 280 horses. Was it reasonable for police to be paying attention to him for that thieving?
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@zember9 There were 4 members of the Kelly gang, not one.
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zember9 Your comment is nonsense. Kelly walked out the back of Ann Jones hotel as he was severely wounded. There was a total of 30 police at Glenrowan. Hardly an army.
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John Smith That's nice to know, seeing the Royal Commission found the police acted with integrity regarding the Kelly's criminal behaviours.
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Tiana Wang What a stupid comment.
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@shebbs1 Hero is not a word to describe a murderer, hostage taker, who held up banks, was a stand over man, a thief and a liar.
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@mickypoole9226 Well, maybe you should learn some facts and start telling truths, instead of fairy tales.
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@mickypoole9226 Ian Jones wrote a book of complete and total fiction. Lies, fiction and made up nonsense throughout.
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SaltGamer78 Why would you say that? Ned Kelly never uttered those words on the gallows. It was made up fiction.
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@theurbangoose4126 Educated people still use gaol.
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@captainrisky6561 It's English spelling, not just Australian spelling.
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@idonhaveanyideawhattocallm1472 I am not telling readers that. I am correcting the mythological rubbish presented on sites like this that paint a picture of Ned Kelly being downtrodden and abused by authorities and police. The facts are that Ned Kelly was just a serious criminal, and behaved as such. He was a stand over thug, murderer, who held up banks, took hostages and threatened them with death, stole from poor settlers often sending them bankrupt, and he was a prolific liar.
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Daniel Pity most of what is presented is fiction.
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MsMp15 Excellent? It is fiction through and through. Kelly was a monster, you are right with that comment.
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@australiaisnotrealjustaska4379 Well those people are ignorant aren't they, as they do not know the truth.
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Australia - so let's hear your reasons as to why a murderer, bank robber, hostage taker, thief, stand over thug and liar is a hero?
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deborah barry Jesse James tortured and murdered a number of people.
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@jornavyr2459 Not so. I suspect the historians you are referring to are the likes of Ian Jones, who wrote a load of codswallop regarding a very serious criminal He hid his real criminal and thuggish behaviour to present a very distorted picture and denied you the truth. Try reading The Kelly Gang Unmasked by Ian MacFarlane which is extremely well researched and very accurate. Clearly you have been badly mislead by the fiction you have been reading.
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@tyronemalone4158 Only people who are ignorant of the facts would ever consider that a murderer was a hero. You are way off track with that comment, Tyrone.
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Calvin That fight may well be a load of fiction.
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DarkRonnie RUBBISH. Extra Credits presentation is made up rubbish through and through. Tis garbage.
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@jacolitethepumpkin765 You haven't got a clue what you are talking about. Stealing more than 280 horses from poor settlers was 'good', as you claim? Your comment is delusional.
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@jlord9638 Do you know what decadent means? This is what is means. "characterised by or reflecting a state of moral or cultural decline". Does that fit you J Lord?
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Biorichina Ned Kelly is NOT a national hero. He was just a serious criminal.
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Mark Kelly. Actually 2 Catholic and 1 was Protestant.
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Ned Kelly. Well didn't Ned Kelly murder 3 Irish police officers. At the time Kelly was hanged, the Premier of Victoria was IRISH. So tell us Ned, where were the British?
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Caper. here That movie was a load of rubbish from top to bottom. It was a box office flop.
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@joshtowns5630 If necessary, I will email the author and put it up online myself.
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@joshtowns5630 It did not happen.
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@jamesstevens8009 That fiction was investigated by Dr. Stuart Dawson PhD. He found that Monash was in Melbourne at the time. Cannot put my hands on the research at this time, but it is clear that Monash was not in Jerilderie when Ned Kelly was there. Monash was a scamp and often told lies in fun.
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Malcolm - hero's do not murder, hold up banks, rob from poor settlers, use stand over tactics, take hostages or lie. Your comment is nonsense.
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Josh. Now that IS a stupid comment.
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DeltaFrost117 But it's almost totally fiction from top to bottom.
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beauson Get your facts straight sport. Red Kelly stole 2 pigs and immediately took them to market to sell, not to feed his family. It was the second time he was caught, so he got transported for 7 years.
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kombi k So who was Ned Kelly wronged by? There is not a shred of evidence anywhere that the police or the government wronged him. He was just a full blown low life criminal.
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ckbs Only bogans and low lives would ever consider a murderer, thief, who held up banks, took hostages, stood over people he had stolen from and lied throughout his life could ever consider Kelly to be a hero.
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@Threeredbells No debate at all. That photo was taken the day after he was released from prison for feloniously receiving a horse, and it is of Ned.
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@Threeredbells Not sure where you are, but at the 4.40 mark or thereabouts that photo is of Ned.
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rocket both photos are of Ned
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PrinzPaul. Not quite true. His father was in Jerilderie at the time and got caught up in the robbery, but John Monash was with his mother in Melbourne at the time.
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Andrew Ned Kelly did not say those words on the gallows. Another Kelly myth.
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That Guy, but that movie is full of myths and fiction. Not worth watching at all.
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Anne Scholey Why not? They were the ones who were stealing most of the poor settlers horses.
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243WW Nope. It was government versus a serous criminal outbreak led by Ned Kelly.
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Robert Sever, this video follows the mythological nonsense that distorts the truth. It is a very poor presentation and not factual at all.
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Aaron but its full of mythological nonsense.
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T. Macca That is 100% true.
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WE MUST The Kelly's were loathed in the Greta area. Where are you getting this nonsense from? McIntyre did not discuss Fitzpatrick with Ned Kelly. That is a lie. Ned Kelly himself admitted that what Fitzpatrick said in his statement was true. Under oath, during Ned Kelly's trial in Melbourne, Senior Constable Kelly described a conversation he had with Ned Kelly immediately after he had been captured at Glenrowan: "Between 3 and 6 the same morning had another conversation with prisoner in the presence of Constable Ryan. Gave him some milk-and-water. Asked him if Fitzpatrick's statement was correct." Prisoner said, "Yes, I shot him." The police did NOT go into the bush to kill the Kelly's. You are repeating fictional nonsense. In fact, they carried 2 sets of handcuffs to secure their prisoners. Ned Kelly gunned down both Lonigan and Scanlan without either having had a chance to surrender of even reach for a weapon. You are talking complete rot sport.
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@metalmatt3431 Legend be buggered. Ned Kelly never uttered those words on the gallows. There is significant evidence to prove that.
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@dreystlouis2998 Everything I have stated can be proved from documentary evidence, and statements taken at the time.
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@matthewharris-davies8368 The correct spelling is advice, not advise.
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@matthewharris-davies8368 I note that you have many spelling and grammar errors in your writings.
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@metalmatt3431 You ARE a bogan then aren't you?
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@matthewharris-davies8368 The word is advice, not advise.
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@TerminusEst1982 Ned Kelly never claimed to be Irish. He always stated he was Australia.
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@jeremywright8612 There was ample proof that they were all Kelly supporters and were actively helping the gang evade the police. It was the government that requested the police to arrest the supporters. It is acknowledged that no proof was presented to courts, and they were all eventually released.
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Jeremy, the Vic police during the Kelly reign of terror were not corrupt. Where are you getting this fiction from?
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@divusaugstus Doug's book is brilliant. It shows what was really happening in Kelly country. Thanks for mentioning my health. I am actually fighting the big C again right now. You will find Fitzsimons book just follows Ian Jones mythological nonsense from beginning to end.
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John Carey, The True History of the Kelly Gang is fiction. Even the author says it is fiction. Peter Fitzsimon's book on Ned Kelly is poorly researched and just carries on the myths that proliferate regarding this vicious criminal. British includes Irish does it not? I think you mean English, however you are very wrong with that comment. Try reading Dr. Doug Morrissey's book Squatters, settlers and Stock Thieves. After reading that, you might want to withdraw the fiction you have written here.
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Mike Oz. If I asked you to show me who was censured, reprimanded, demoted, suspended or dismissed, you could not find anything to support your false comment, could you. In fact, the only police that were dismissed were the three police at Sherritt's home that were there to protect him. Where did you get this fiction from? What you have stated is a load of BS.
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@ianb4801 I should take you to task on your statement that Ned Kelly was not permitted to speak on his behalf. He could not give evidence on oath, but he could make an unsworn statement. That was the law at the time. His barrister refused to let him speak, probably as he knew he would lie and be found out and discredited. If you have ever read a transcript of the trial you will see that Bindon asked some very serious questions, especially of Constable McIntyre and the officer was steadfast in his evidence and did not waver at all. Overall Bidon did a pretty good job, although the Kelly fans will say he was incompetent. The police were paid reward money for bringing criminals to justice. Arresting them and putting them before the courts and upon conviction some of the reward money would be paid to police.
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@ianb4801 The people around Greta were only hounded by Ned Kelly and his Greta Mob, not the police. In fact the police were well respected in the towns as they protected the people from the Kelly scourge.
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Ian B I agree. But they should also check the facts, as a huge percentage of this video is just following mythological nonsense that lauds a serious criminal.
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Markus Flydd Not quite right. I will see you there where I go, not when I go.
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Tossie, when they confronted police on the verandah of Ann Jones Inn, all four gang members were wearing helmets. Your comment is made up nonsense.
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Cotton Tails Your comment is nonsense. The police Royal Commission found that the police acted properly regarding the criminality of the Kelly's. Your comment is way off the truth.
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trailer park supercars If you believe this is the true story as told here, you have been conned big time.
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justinkane. WRONG The petition was about capital punishment. It was initiated to stop the authorities hanging him. The decent Irish despised Ned Kelly and his criminal gang. Where are you getting this nonsense from?
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Georgiana's Studio And how many don't exist because Ned Kelly murdered them? He was a low life if ever there was one.
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Travis Ned Kelly does NOT define Australia. He was a serious criminal who was a murderer, bank robber, hostage taker, stand over thug, horse thief and liar. Sensible Australians do not consider Kelly a hero.
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Greg Perriman Only the ignorant, ill-informed, and imbeciles consider Ned Kelly a hero. Sensible decent people know he was just a filthy low down murdering criminal.
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Michael astericks Your comment is WRONG. The police had nothing to do with the reward money. That was decided by the government. It is true that the black trackers did not get their fair share, but it was allocated to them. The Royal Commission found that the police acted properly towards the Kelly's. The Irish were not badly treated in Victoria at all. Two of the first premiers in Victoria were Irish, 82% of the police were Irish. There were no squatters in the Greta region at the time of the Kelly outbreak. Your comments are fictional nonsense.
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Tim Meyer. Don't bother it's fiction through and through. A disgrace and presents fiction not truth
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Belle Give them ALL a miss. They are all fiction.
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@C C Why was he at war with the police? Because they were acting properly to stop his criminal activity. After all he boasted that he had stolen more than 280 horses. Don't you think it would be proper for police to act against such a felonious character as Ned Kelly? Squatter class, really? You are obviously unaware that there were no squatters left in the Greta area when Ned Kelly was stealing horses. In fact he was mostly stealing them from his poor settler neighbours, effectively sending them bankrupt and then threatening them with further damage if they dared to report the theft to police. He was a stand over thug as the evidence shows.
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Eric, Only to uneducated dimwits.
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John Titus Who is Dan Hart?
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fred derf Sadly, Kelly was a liar, so you could not believe anything he said.
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@seanmccann8368 The treatment of the Irish in the UK was atrocious, that is a given. But things were very different in the new colony of Victoria as I have stated above. If you can provide evidence to the contrary, let's see it.
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@seanmccann8368 If you have evidence of this, let's see it. Obviously you are not aware that there were no squatters left in the Greta area at the time of the Kelly outbreak. So lets see some evidence of what you are stating. You are talking complete nonsense.
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Sean Mccann Two of the early premiers in Victoria were Irish. 82% of the police force were Irish.
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Dru Gore How sick are you claiming that a murderer, hostage taker, thief, bank robber and stand over thug is a hero. Get your mind out of the gutter Dru.
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Aurora, why did he get a bad wrap. He was after all a murderer, who held up banks, took hostages and threatened them with death. He had a major horse stealing business. He was a stand-over thug and a liar. So tell us, how did he get a bad wrap?
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@RexiousX Except what was presented as the truth was a load of fiction with hardly one fact correct.
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Awesome the first full length motion picture in the entire world was of Ned Kelly, made in 1906. Only scraps of it remain today.
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Grandmaster Zodd Wild Wright was convicted of unlawfully using a horse, not stealing it. A much lessor offence at the time. That is why he received only 18 months in gaol.
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@incredingo Well maybe you should look at the facts and not listen to hearsay twice removed.
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Wolfpaw What you see in US movies about quick draw shootouts is mythological nonsense. It did not happen.
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Matthew Leonard Why not? In any case what he presented was mostly fictional nonsense.
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@tobyoneil1969 I just noticed your comment here Toby. Where is your evidence of this happening? As previously advised, most police in small towns were well respected as they kept the townsfolk safe from the Kelly scourge. To suggest that someone who murdered a police officer could be a hero is simply delusional.
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@tobyoneil1969 I should also include the editorial from a local paper after the Stringybark Creek murders. The Benalla Ensign editorial stated: "The Kelly family are notorious in this district and their names are as familiar as household words. The home of the family has been the rendezvous of thieves and criminals for years, and indeed has been the centre of crime that almost surpasses belief. They lived on the Eleven Mile Creek between Winton and Greta and made a living by horse stealing and theft. They were surrounded by neighbours of the same bad reputation and it was notorious that to obtain evidence or arrest the accused owing to the network of confederates for miles around was almost impossible." They certainly were considered a scourge Toby. You should also recognise that in the entire NE Victoria there were only 50 mounted police and 30 foot Constables. Very thin on the ground indeed, which allowed criminal elements like the Kelly's almost a free hand.
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@tobyoneil1969 The police in the small towns in Victoria at the time were generally well respected as they kept the people safe from the Kelly scourge.
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@simonjstuart666 Lets get a few facts straightened out Simon. 1. None of the police in Victoria wore uniforms. That was normal to be in plain clothes. 2. They were NOT heavily armed. Each carried a police issue revolver, and they BORROWED a shotgun and a Spencer repeating rifle, that they did not know how to use. 3. They did not need to carry warrants with them. That is still the position today. If a warrant exists police can arrest without a warrant in possession. 4. They were carrying two sets of handcuffs to secure their prisoners. THEY are the facts. So if you disagree with these provable facts, let's see some evidence for your fictitious nonsense.
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@simonjstuart666 Self defence be damned. Kelly gunned down both Lonigan and Scanlan without either of them having a chance to surrender or draw a weapon. It was cold blooded murder. The jury of 12 men found him guilty within 30 minutes. He got his just deserts.
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Rylee Sayka, Ned Kelly was in gaol when he was 18. You are a believer in myths.
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GTFORDMAN Your comment is fictitious nonsense. Most of the police in Victoria at that time were recruited from free men and 82% were in fact Irish.
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michael howell Naming Ned Kelly alongside Paul Hogan and Steve Irwin is a disgrace.
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Cheese Smoke But putting the myths to sleep and presenting facts not fiction.
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Dylan so why was Ned Kelly a hero?
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Jamie Ned Kelly was never a practising catholic.
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@jadethornton7975 Did you answer the question? NO. Your understanding of Ned Kelly's extensive criminality is woeful.
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@jadethornton7975 If you claim the police were very very corrupt, let's see some evidence to back up your comment? Can you explain to us all then how come the Royal Commissioners who were ALL anti-police found that the police acted appropriately in their dealings with Ned Kelly? I will be most interested to hear your explanation.
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Graham Watts. Ned was no revolutionary. He grew up in a criminal family, and he was a very serious criminal. So who were the corrupt land-owners Graham? At the time of the Kelly outbreak there were no squatters left in the Greta area. You are obviously not aware that the government enacted the Lands Act to provide land to poor settlers on excellent terms, throughout North East Victoria. So if you say there were corrupt land-owners and government power brokers, what are you referring too? I would suggest you are just repeating myths that have no basis in fact at all.
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Jason the RC into Victoria police found that the police acted properly regarding Kelly's criminality. If you claim otherwise, show us some evidence? By the way, in the entire RC transcripts the word 'corrupt' does not appear in the entire document.
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@charlotrisch5138 The author of the book that led to that film stated that the book was made up fiction. It certainly did not represent in any way the true story.
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Charlot Risch. Sadly this video promotes a great deal of mythological nonsense that is simply made up rubbish. It is a disgrace and is not factual at all.
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Sambo's mummy The only people who have Ned Kelly tattoos, are of low intelligence and ignorant of the true story.
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@donedane2269 Tis grammar done dane, not grammer.
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@donedane2269 Dreadful English sport. A jury found Ned Kelly guilty of murder. The only option for a judge was to pass the death sentence. Ned Kelly always considered himself to be Australian.
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done dane What a load of rubbish. 82% of the police in Victoria were Irish. Your comment is ridiculous.
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Blackjack55 Your comment is without foundation. If you claim the police were corrupt and abusive, let's see some evidence. Guess what, there is none as most police were well respected and kept their towns safe from the Kelly scourge. Why do you keep promoting such mythological rubbish. Get a life.
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Pete, if it was true maybe yes, but it's full of fictitious nonsense.
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blodmann 262 Ned Kelly was just a serious criminal. He was a murderer, he robbed banks, took hostages, was a stand over thug and a liar. If you think a person like that is a hero, take a good long hard look at yourself.
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Khmet He had one drink of brandy and lemonade on route. That's right - one drink. I should add that Constable Fitzpatrick did not make a pass at Kate Kelly. She made up that story some 10 months after the event.
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@pzuliomaccavellion9711 Your first comment is nonsense. Only the uneducated, and low intelligentsia 'love' Ned Kelly. He was a murderer. You are delusional if you think all Australians 'love' Ned Kelly.
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Aussie Truck Photos. WRONG. Two of the first premiers in Victoria were Irish Catholics. The Royal Commission found that the police acted with integrity regarding the criminality of the Kelly's. Your comment is without foundation at all.
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@elitegamer2498 It reflects badly on your education my friend. Maybe do some work on getting it right. By the way your last comment says "since I’m your" in long hand "since I am your." That does not make sense.
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@elitegamer2498 "What the police done to the bones", is appalling English. It's not about understanding what you have written, it's about dreadful English that reflects on your education. I re-iterate the Police had nothing to do with Ned Kelly after he was convicted and held in gaol. It was up to the gaol authorities to carry out the hanging and it was also up to them to dispose of his remains. Nothing to do with police at all.
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ELITE GAMER 249 Your English is woeful and by the way police had nothing to do with Kelly's body after he was executed for his crimes.
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Aaron only in the eyes of unintelligent bogans.
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ChezzaAU Jerilderie is in the Riverina district of NSW.
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Aussie86 Pity what he says is 100% fiction.
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@elliotspencer5300 Stupid ignorant comment.
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@climax050 REALLY. You have a very lop sided of history if you think most people remember him as a hero. He was just a serious criminal who murdered, robbed banks, took hostages, stole horses from poor settlers then stood over his victims threatening more damage if they reported the theft to the police, and he was a prolific liar. No sensible intelligent person would ever consider a man of this ilk a hero.
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@climax050 Only bogans and the unintelligent would consider a serious criminal a hero.
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climax050 Ned Kelly is NOT a national hero in Australia. He was just a very serious criminal.
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@subaru_wrx_impreza_5552 The Kelly story is finally being told in a truthful way. Kelly was a vicious stand-over-thug, murderer, hostage taker, thief and liar. He got his just desserts in the end.
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@mista2621 As I said previously. You must be pretty dumb to have a tattoo of a murderer.
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@tyronemalone4158 Patriotic to have a Ned Kelly tattoo? Dumb comment. So you worship a murderer, a stand-over-thug, bank robber, thief and hostage taker. How smart are you? Brick thick more like it.
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@fruittree1670 Plenty claim that Ned Kelly was a hero. Are you blind? He was so cool that he got his brother, Steve Hart and Joe Byrne killed, and he got hanged. Yeah, that's really cool. Ned Kelly was a very serious murdering criminal and should be seen as such.
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@fruittree1670 WHY? The fiction lies and myths that claim Ned Kelly was some sort of hero when he was a vicious criminal needs to be exposed. Especially to the children of this great nation. They need to be told the truth.
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@GalicHoHyabusa Your ignorance is showing. Samuel is a boys name is it not?
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@geoffreywallace132 The information I have provided is from a professional historian who wrote his PhD thesis on people living in the area at the time of the Kelly scourge. His information is very in depth and no one I know has anywhere near his knowledge on the Kelly era. There was plenty of opportunity if you wanted to take that opportunity. The grant of land to settlers was well received and more than 80% of the settlers made a go of it, even after coping with droughts, bushfires and the Kelly scourge. Why didn't the Kelly's do the same? It was easier to make a living as a thief for Mr Ned Kelly.
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@geoffreywallace132 Your comments reflect the myths that abound claiming that Kelly was treated badly by the police and government. Here are the facts. There is not one shred of evidence anywhere that the Kelly's were set up or badly treated by police. The Royal Commission found the following. "It may also be mentioned that the charge of persecution of the family by the members of the police force has been frequently urged in extenuation of the crimes of the outlaws; but, after careful examination, your Commissioners have arrived at the conclusion that the police, in their dealings with the Kelly's and their relations, were simply desirous of discharging their duty conscientiously; and that no evidence has been adduced to support the allegation that either the outlaws or their friends were subjected to persecution or unnecessary annoyance at the hands of the police." The police rightly stood up to the Kelly's and protected their towns from the scourge that he and his Greta Mob were. Kelly was a serious criminal through and through. Let's see your evidence that Kelly was 'set up'? Do you not know that most of the settlers who were granted land in that area made a go of it and progressed with their lives. My comments come from professional researches with PhD's on the subject. Where does your mythological nonsense come from?
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Geoffrey Wallace, Ned Kelly is no hero. He was just a serious criminal who got his just desserts.
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Marius Tan NO. Sympathisers numbered about 250 in a population of 14,500. Some 2.5%. The police in that era WERE protecting their communities from the thieving menace that Ned Kelly and his Greta Mob thugs were.
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fanele mabaso He was just a criminal. There is no evidence that he was wronged by authorities.
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Alan Scott Holmes Except what was presented was a load of garbage.
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2011 Matz, quite correct and Kelly shot Kennedy with a shotgun to the chest, after learning that he had 5 young children and his wife was pregnant. Some hero?
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@Ihavebeenwatchingyou Not all police were above board, but the Royal Commission into Victoria police found that the local police in dealing with the Kelly's criminality acted with integrity. Many of the police who have been vilified by Kelly fans, e.g. Constable Fitzpatrick and Sgt Steele acted properly as the evidence shows.
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donnie darko The police that were in the North East of Victoria during Kelly's reign of terror were well respected as they kept the Kelly scourge at bay.
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Blake Pullen your comment is nonsense. Ned Kelly dictated his Jerilderie letter to Joe Byrne before he held up the bank in Jerilderie. His hostages did not know he had written a letter and most of those hostages were petrified and in fear of their lives as they knew that Kelly and his gang had recently murdered 3 police at Stringybark Creek. Ned Kelly was a murderer, who held up banks, took hostages and threatened them with death. He robbed poor settlers of their only horse effectively sending them bankrupt, then he stood over them and threatened them with more harm if they reported the theft to police. He was a prolific liar and was loathed by the majority of the population in NE Victoria. If you consider a man if this ilk a hero, you need to take a good hard look at yourself.
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adamwally That is true. However, the reality was that the police acted with integrity regarding the extensive criminality of Ned Kelly, as the Royal Commission found. Had the film shown the facts, it would have not been banned. Unfortunately, Kelly fans have degraded the police in that era, when most of them were good decent family men who worked hard to keep their communities safe from the Kelly menace.
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@fated4glory Yes, nothing presented here is true.
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Stephen. What a pity it's all fiction.
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Nick Randon There is plenty of proof that it was made up by a journalist to embellish his story.
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muuaji mpumbavu What a stupid comment. Nothing you have written is true. Kelly was born into a criminal family. Fitzpatrick had nothing to do with Kate Kelly. She made up that fiction 10 months after the event. You need to get your facts right sport.
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@metalmatt3431 You are so wrong with your comment. Ask the silent majority who know the true facts and not the mythological nonsense that you have been reading, viewing and believing, and you will find that Ned Kelly is just considered a serious criminal who got his just deserts in the end.
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Metal Matt Decent Australians do NOT hold Ned Kelly in high esteem. Why would any decent Fair Dinkum Aussie hold a murderer, bank robber, hostages taker, thief and stand over thug, in high esteem. He was a vicious criminal and in the end got his just deserts.
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@aussie1005 But my friend your comment is still made up supposition. You have not a shred of evidence that they shot themselves. The facts are that we do not know how they died.
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Aussie 100% May I ask where the evidence is to support your statement? The facts are that we do not know how they met their end, as no autopsy was carried out on their bodies, and they were handed over to their families and buried quickly. Your comment is made up conjecture.
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@shannondixon9031 There is no correlation at all between the events at Eureka and the criminality of Ned Kelly. At Eureka the miners were rebelling against the mining fee, that was being charged to anyone on the gold fields. It was excessive and caused great hardship for miners, decent men who were trying to make a living and who were not finding any gold. That is what Eureka was all about and after the insurrection changes were made to benefit the miners.
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@shannondixon9031 Your comment regarding government corruption is nonsense. In Victoria the government worked hard to provide for those less fortunate and in fact enacted legislation granting land to settlers, so they could make a go of it in Victoria, which most did and went on to better themselves.
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Mya Starr Ellen Quinn was from a family of criminals. She didn't need any corrupting from John, as she was already a skilled criminal matriarch.
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Holly Q, only dumb bogans have Ned Kelly tattoos.
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RexiousX What is in this video is fictitious nonsense. Not a fact anywhere to be seen.
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Wayne Hunter Only to uneducated buffoons.
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@BTheBlindRef What do you mean by absurd laws?
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@griff420blazer4 He put his revolver in the mouth of one man who stood up to him and threatened to shoot him dead at Euroa. He WAS a violent thug.
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@BTheBlindRef What is presented here is mostly fiction. Ned Kelly was a serious criminal and his adulation is only believed by unintelligent morons.
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Dean Martin, you are right there sport. What is presented is mostly fiction.
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@ImRuined666 Kelly was no underdog. He was the king of the criminals in the area and stole from plenty of poor settlers right across NE Victoria.
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@ImRuined666 That statement is mythological rubbish. The police were not corrupt as the Royal Commission found. There was no oppression. If you claim there was, let's see some evidence. Guess what - there is none. Kelly was just a serious criminal.
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@ImRuined666 Your comment is not true. Ned Kelly was never a Robin Hood figure. In fact after he stole a huge amount of money from banks not one penny of those funds went to get his mother out of gaol. There is not a shred of evidence anywhere that Kelly gave to the poor, but there is plenty of evidence that he stole from the poor.
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Ande Fina What a dumb stupid comment.
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David Ruse You are correct. Ned Kelly's massive horse stealing empire had been brought down a few months before the Fitzgerald affair. He had several opportunities to turn his life around, but chose a life of crime.
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Max Tickner If you knew the whole story you would understand why his legs were not covered.
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@getreelproductions5737 So what historians don't agree? Can you name them please?
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Brolando My information comes from documentary evidence, including the Royal Commission that was recorded and is available on the Internet. It also comes from authors with PhD's on the subject, who have studied Ned Kelly and his criminality for decades. In relation to the stolen horse incident regarding Wild Wright, that is well documented in court records and readily available online.
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John Snow So please tell me in what way I am wrong?
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Aussie Chunda There is substantial evidence that Ned Kelly was stealing horses. He admitted to hostages that he held at gunpoint that he had stolen at least 280 horses. That came out of Ned Kelly's mouth. Is that sufficient evidence for you Aussie? Ned Kelly did not pay for the horse that was being ridden by Wild Wright. Kelly admitted to two people that he knew the horse was stolen, and he intended to sell it. A jury found him guilty, and he was sentenced to 3 years imprisonment. And may I ask why you have to resort to abuse because I correct your nonsense with facts? That is VERY un Australian.
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Aussie Chunda I am not twisting an argument at all. The people with PhD's have researched thoroughly and their work is in books that most Kelly fans have never read. In fact Dr. Doug Morrissey's thesis was on the people who lived in that area at the time of the outbreak. Try reading his books sometime, and be enlightened. Ned Kelly admitted to his hostages that he had stolen at least 280 horses. YES, I claimed that he stole horses, and that is factual and confirmed by Ned Kelly himself. He had a major horse stealing 'business' going. He also received a stolen horse from Wild Wright, and was eventually convicted by a jury of feloniously stealing a horse and he was given a 3 year sentence for that felony. What else do you want to know?
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Elite It was not a rebellion, it was a criminal enterprise.
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Gary Dargan Way off course with your comment Gary. The Eureka Stockade event occurred in 1854, where Victoria was still governed by a governor appointed by the Crown. His name was Sir Charles Hotham, and the event was regarding the imposition of a high licence fee. No question that police acted improperly at that time. Twenty years later, Victoria had its own parliament and 82% of the police were of Irish origin. In those early years, two of the premiers of Victoria were Irish. The Royal Commission of 1881 into Victoria police found that the Kelly's were not targeted at all by the police, and the police acted properly regarding Kelly's criminal activities. Your comments regarding Kelly follow fictitious nonsense and are not true in any way.
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King Dragon Ned Kelly was the head of the Greta Mob, and they placed the chin strap under their nose to indicate they were part of the Mob.
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Michael. What a pity what he is saying is mostly mythological nonsense.
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Laura Frost Your comment is not true. This presentation simply follows the mythological rubbish that has been written by Kelly fans, and it fails miserably in telling the truth. The police did NOT have stretchers, or body straps with them when they went to arrest the Kelly brothers. They did have handcuffs with them to secure their prisoners. Body straps were never issued to Victoria police EVER. Let's see some evidence for your claim that the police were going to kill Kelly.
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Bejamin Maden, me too. He was a vicious criminal.
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Thorshammer If you claim the police were corrupt, where is your evidence?
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@glosh3091 Wikipedia is written by anyone who can write. Not a reliable source for anything.
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@glosh3091 Not true Glosh 30. Ned Kelly's head has never been recovered. It was not taken by grave robbers. That is nonsense.
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David Price. What is presented here is a load of fictitious nonsense.
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Barney, you are obviously unaware that even Ned Kelly confirmed that he shot Fitzpatrick and also that the officer never made an improper approach to Kate Kelly. You are seriously unaware of the facts, aren't you?
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