Comments by "SepherStar" (@SepherStar) on "VICE Life"
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***** No, men don't age like wine. 20 something doesn't want to date grandpa.
What's the problem anyway? Are you upset because the girls you wanted rejected you and now you are taking it out on older single women like they are the ones who rejected you once upon a time? Well new flash for you, those hot young thangs who rejected you are probably happily married by now and the women you are attacking are likely the ones you never asked out, or are the female equivalent of you. Is that why you are unhappy? The women who are left are the ones YOU rejected, and you are mad you can't get the ones you wanted, so you attack the ones you didn't want? Who would want a person like that.
You see here, I don't buy for a second that no one would have had you, and I think you probably still can find someone with whom you could have a happy relationship, if you manage to get over yourself.
Maybe it's a natural selection thing but it seems to me that you are doing everything in your power to make sure you remain single, by not only rejecting the pool of women available to you, but making sure that you are unattractive to them.
Girls reject guys by saying no and guys reject girls by not asking them to begin with. I bet you never thought of it that way, did you?
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Gabriel Lewicki That's the fantasy isn't it? It's always easier to think you are the one who doesn't want them, rather than they you, but when a person really doesn't want something, they don't think about it, or come online and rant about it. It's a non issue for them. For example, I don't care about being an Olympian, and I'm not much for sports, so I rarely, if ever, talk about sports or the Olympics. The fact of the matter is, most of these men who come online and rant about women do so because they want women and have a difficult time getting them. Sometimes these men have social deficits. Sometimes these men are on the unfortunate side of statistics. Sometimes these men do not meet some social standard, and sometimes these men literally don't have a female counterpart because of skewed sex ratios.
If a person has difficulty obtaining or maintaining relationships, and this causes them distress, they should seek counseling and attempt to improve their social skills, rather than self isolate and direct negative emotions at that which they have difficulty obtaining. When they self isolate and spew hatred, they sell themselves short and drop any chance they might have had of a happy relationship with another person, to zero.
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Sage Thinker You have the nerve to ignore all of the contributions a woman makes, and all of her sacrifices, and devalue the traditional role of a woman and ignore it's importance. A woman brought you into this world and if you are like most people, a woman put your needs above her own, taught you not to eat dirt, taught you how to feed yourself, and not to sh!t your pants. What a woman did to you to make you so bitter towards them, I don't know, but I would not be surprised if the kind deeds of 1,000,000 women go ignored by you and cruel deeds of 1 would be that which you judge all women by. I have respect for men and their contributions, you can have respect for women and theirs.
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Sage Thinker But speaking of easy office job, my sister's husband has an office job. He goes to work and works at his desk at his office job. My sister is a chef, and a wet nurse, and works as a nanny, during the day and at night, and she is a buyer, she buys all of the supplies for the house, and a currier because she often has to go get them herself. She is also a personal assistant...she does the laundry and runs all of the errands and makes all of the appointments. She also is a taxi driver, taking the kids everywhere and occasionally driving her husband too and from work, and she also is a maid on top of this, cleaning the entire house, and she does each one of these jobs full time. If you keep ignoring and devaluing the role of women in society, of course you are going to be miserable and resentful and think you as a man have to do all of the work, when you in your traditional role work one job and a woman in her traditional role works 9 jobs. And sometimes she also works outside of the home to help her husband make ends meet, making that 10 jobs.
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Sage Thinker I would like to point out some things for you to think about.
1. You hate feminism but consistently hold equal contempt for women in traditional roles, the contributions of which you devalue or ignore.
2. You have made claims about tribal societies, which, for the most part, are incorrect, suggesting you have spoken on a matter you have not taken the time to educate yourself on. In addition, instead of admitting you might have spoken too soon, you attempted to change the context from tribal societies to modern societies to cover yourself, as if that would not be apparent to everyone.
3. Your belief that a woman is merely a vessel in which to incubate a baby flies in the face of the most basic of scientific knowledge, and to be honest, I'm confounded by this, because that half of our nuclear DNA, and all of our mitichondrial DNA comes from out mothers, is something that I imagine should be taught in elementary school, or middle school at the latest.
I do not mean to sound condescending but I worry sir that your views of the world are based on your ignorance of it and I implore you to challenge your perceptions, be open to the idea that you might be wrong, and educate yourself.
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Sage Thinker Have you never read a biology book or taken a science class? A person inherits 50% of their nuclear DNA from their mother, and 50% of their nuclear DNA from their father, and 100% of their mitichondrial DNA from their mother. The sperm contains 23 chromosomes with the fathers genes, the egg contains 23 chromosomes with the mother's genes, and the mitichrondrial DNA, and this is what you are made out of.
Though it's not relevant to the conversation, and should not be seen as any claim that one sex is superior to the other, you might find it interesting to know that you do not actually need a sperm to replicate an organism, but you do need an egg. In the process by which an animal is cloned, nuclear DNA from a cell is implanted into an egg or an egg with it's own nuclear DNA removed...depending, and this will develop in a similar fashion as a naturally fertilized egg. Some species also have virgin births by different biological processes depending on the species.
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Sage Thinker This article does not support your claim that most wars in history were started by women. It found a 27% increase in wars in Europe when countries were headed by Queen reginas. A queen regina is a queen who was the daughter of a ruling king, and ascended the throne, and thus becomes the head of state, and takes on the duties of a ruling King. The article states that countries more often attacked the countries of these Queens when they were single, as opposed to married, which may be one factor in the increase in wars, and also that when these Queens were married,they tended to divide their responsibilities with their husbands, allowing them to more effectively pursue foreign policies. In short, it's speculated that the increase in wars was due to the fact that single ruling Queens were more likely to have their countries attacked, and married ruling Queens were more likely to have the administrative resources to launch effective military actions.
It in no way supports your claim that most wars were started by women, because the article talks about Europe, not the world, a small time from, not most of human history, and if her country was attacked, she didn't start the war.
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Sage Thinker Far from most women die as a result of pregnancy. The highest maternal mortality rate is found in Sierra Leon, where most women don't have access to modern medical care. It has a rate of about 1,360 deaths per 100,000 pregnancies. That means, if the country had 100,000 pregnant women, 1.36% would die as a result of pregnancy. Even in instances where the mother dies, it's rarely the men who are left to care for the child. It's usually a female relative. If no female relative is able to care for the child, the child often ends up in an orphanage. Even if the man did stay at home and care for the child, he would then be filling a woman's traditional role. People did not starve in Europe because many of the men had been killed in war. People starved in Europe because all of the food went to feed the men fighting the war and you can't plant crops when a war is being fought in your field and your town is being bombed.
Yep, most farmers and fishermen today are men, but as I said, in tribal societies, women in their traditional roles farmed and gathered.
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Sage Thinker In tribal societies, that's not actually true except in a small number of hunter gatherer societies which exist in areas that vegetation is scarce. In most hunter gatherer societies, women provide the majority of food by gardening and gathering. In some of these societies, women and men both may participate in hunting if the society uses netting techniques that require animals be scared out of bushes. Hunting with weapons is something that is primarily a male activity, and while this brings in prized protein sources, they do not comprise the majority of the food supply. Most tribal societies, however, are not hunter gatherers but pastoralists. Most of their food is in the form of dairy, and sometimes blood, or meat from their livestock. In these societies men often only have two responsibilities, and those are to shepherd the livestock and occasionally slaughter them, while the women gather the firewood, fetch the water, build the houses, make the clothes and jewelry, milk the animals, process and cook food, and feed the children and look after them. These are primarily African tribal societies. In Amazonian tribal societies, they are not pastoralists and the division of the labor is a little more even, with men building the houses and assisting more in gardening and food processing.
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Sage Thinker English class in the US is critical thinking and comprehension. It's the ability to understand situations and what is being communicated. Course work often entails reading essays and stories and analyzing them, and writing essays that clearly and concisely articulate that which you wish to communicate. The skills stressed in mandatory American English classes are integral to being able to understand and navigate the world, even in STEM fields.
I would not say STEM fields are "hard", though for most they are certainly time intensive. What actually makes something easy or difficult is how well your brain is wired for it. Some people excel more at mathematics than essay writing, and would say mathematics is the easier of the two fields, and some people excel more at essay writing, and would say that is the easier of the two fields (By the way, the prestige of STEM professor in academia is measured by the number of papers he or she has published, and the amount of grant money, which is obtained through written proposals, he or she can obtain). If a woman excels at a STEM field then she excels at a STEM field, and there would be no reason to exclude her from it based on her sex alone.
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Mark Rudy I believe you are referring to the paper called "The Paradox of Declining Female Happiness" http://www.nber.org/papers/w14969.pdf
I don't have time to read the paper thoroughly but if I read correctly, the decline in female happiness was across the board....single working women and married female home makers both had a decline in happiness, and the study could not pinpoint the cause, but rejected various theories on it. They did speculate though that the lives of women have become increasingly more complex and that women might feel they have to meet more standards than in the past. Or it could be that society in general is less happy and women are just more forthcoming with this, or it could have been sample selection bias in that they are just not looking in the right places for unhappy men.
I seem to come across disproportionately more unhappy men on the internet than I do women. They are usually unhappy that they are single, or have had a bad relationship. I think men actually get more lonely when they are single than women, which is part of the reason I think it's unfortunate that some single older men are not receptive to dating women closer to their age. I'm not saying they should date a woman they find unattractive...it's imperative they be attracted to her, but they are often looking for women in venues where they do not have a chance to interact with her in person, and there are often dimensions of attraction that only come across in person. They are looking for women on venues that you type an age range in a box, and they might be preventing themselves from meeting a woman they would find attractive and are compatible with, by the number they enter into that box.
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Sage Thinker Elizabeth Báthory? You are really reaching now. But only one of us has to dredge up obscure people from history, or vaguely related articles on small, obscure tribes in the rain forest, and attempt to spin it to make potential exceptions into the generalized case. Since you are so inclined to do so anyway, look up photos and videos of ISIS, wars, and whatever battles and militant groups please you. When the majority of the people in those videos gathering in groups and waving guns and swords and launching rockets at and destroying cities like Homs and Damascus (which have been destroyed many times over by armies of men for centuries), are women, you will be correct in your assertion. When the history books talk primarily about armies of 100,000 of women, overthrowing whatever army of other women, and sacking cities, you will be correct in your assertion, but the people in all of these scenarios are not women, but men. Understand, this is not attempting to paint men as bad people, or proclaim that all, or even most men are horribly violent...most men are law abiding citizens. It is just the fact of our species, that like most other mammalian species, the males are more inclined to physical violence than the females. It was not evolutionarily favorable for the females of our species to be as inclined towards physical violence because of her role as primary care giver. It's more favorable for a woman to defuse a situation or use passive aggression.
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Sage Thinker Do you know what a perfect example of the importance of social intelligence is? The Tesla vs. Edison affair. We can both agree that Tesla was a rare genius with abilities in engineering that far surpassed anyone that I know of. However, though he was also noted to be charming and a good showman, he was lacking in social intelligence, and got royally screwed by the more socially endowed Edison. Edison was able to use his social prowess to drive Tesla, despite his genius in engineering, into the ground, and Tesla faded into obscurity and died destitute because of it. Do you know what the electric company in my area used to be called? "Edison". Edison was socially intelligent enough to get the backers, and the money, and become a brand name, and sway the minds of people in his favor, despite the technological short comings of the ideas he marketed.
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Mark Rudy That was the ideal 60 years ago but ideals and reality are often very different. I don't know that the women were actually happier. Maybe they were, or maybe they just said they were, because part of the ideal was that a woman was not just any home maker, but a happy home maker, and people were big on keeping up appearances. You are not any more wrong for wanting a chaste, pretty, young, submissive, pure, yet secular wife who worships you, any more than any woman would be wrong for wanting a rich, young, handsome husband who shares her values and only has eyes for her, and they live happily ever after like in a fairy tale. But we must remember that potential spouses are not objects we can customize, or that exist merely to please us. They are other human beings like ourselves. They have minds and desires, like ourselves, and imperfections like ourselves, and often hope we will be forgiving of those imperfections as we hope they are forgiving of ours. Anyway, may you find someone you are happy with and may she also be happy with you.
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Sage Thinker Some people like Stephen King. Some people like Judy Blume. As far as I can tell, the board of the most prestigious literary prize in the west...the Pulitzer Prize, did not have a female member until the 1980's, and women are still a minority. I wouldn't expect subjects and genres that appeal to women to equally appeal to men so it would make sense that a male board or predominantly male board would be biased towards male authors who write about subjects and genres that would more appeal to men. Gender biased is a hot topic in the literary and entertainment industries, and there have been many papers citing it's existence. Anyway, you have still yet to answer any of my questions to you, and I will not discuss further subjects you bring up until you address them.
I will re-iterate one of them. How are beliefs in things such as Allah, jinn, and shaytan more logical than witchcraft (which the quran also discusses). How do you conclude that a woman who believes in witchcraft, by virtue of that, is more illogical and more superstitions than a man who believes in Allah, or jinn, or shaytan?
Also, show me how you come up with the numbers and percentages you did in your last post.
And why should a woman not study STEM, merely because she is a woman, if she has the aptitude for it?
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Sage Thinker Maybe you can clarify. I don't really follow your reasoning.
For simplicity, If you had 100 coders, and 87 were men, and 13 were women, and 74% of men had their code accepted, that's 64 men who had their code accepted. If 78% of women had their code accepted, that's 10 women.
Now before we go any further, understand when you have two substantially different sample sizes of two groups you are comparing, that introduces a sample bias.
the larger group will almost always give a better representation of the general population from which it was sampled, than the smaller group.
Now here is the statement of yours I don't understand. "So if you do the math and it was reversed and women were 87% of coders less than 50% of women coders would be accepted"
If you said women were 87% of the coders, and we had 100 coders total, then there would be 87 female coders.
If the percentage of women who have their code accepted remains the same, that is...74%, then 64 women have their code accepted.
Of 87 women, 64 women is not less than 50%. It's 74%.
So I don't understand where you come up with "less than 50%". Please clarify.
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Mark Rudy I don't know any 35 year old woman who considers herself infertile unless she actually is. We have a large number of older couples in my city starting families past 35. I'm in STEM and the reason women tend to become discontent with their careers as they get into their mid 30's is because they tire of lack of promotions and the culture. I can't speak for women in other fields. But I can tell you, my grandmother, who married when she was 19 and had 5 kids was so miserable that she wasn't smiling in any of the family photos when she was a housewife. If I had married and had a family when I was young, I know I would have been miserable. What if you, as a young man, were expected to marry and settle down in your early 20's before you even had a chance to explore the world and understand who you are a little better? I think most men would go insane.
There's no reason to think women are really any different, particularly because through most of human history, marriage and child bearing had often been somewhat of a forced affair for women and this took away any pressure to evolve an actual preference for marrying and baring children young. So do I regret not marrying young and having kids? Heck no, I would have been absolutely miserable! I would have been sitting there thinking of what I could have done with my life, and to be honest, I think it would have been unfair of me to pretend I was attracted to or loved a man who I didn't. Would I like to marry now? If I find someone I like enough to marry and who likes me enough to marry me, but I do prefer to be alone rather than with someone I don't actually have any interest in or who does not have any interest in me. I might be career oriented but if I marry a man I would like it to be someone I could be a good wife to. Would I want kids? I wouldn't mind them but I would not be devastated if I didn't have them.....I would just think it's a little unfortunate for the world.
As for those 35+ single career women who do lament that they can't find anyone, we both know that that's hogwash. These women, as always, just can't find someone they like and maybe they need to accept the fact that they are the female version of those lonely old guys who can't find someone because they are only receptive to dating women between 18-25.
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Mark Rudy Well misogyny should be frowned upon, as should misandry, caste discrimination, racial prejudice, etc. Anyway, I'm glad that I don't live in the world you fantasize about where I would only be seen to exist to please a man and would not have much of a say in the matter. As I previously said, should I ever marry, of course I would strive to be a good wife to my husband, but the key concept here is that it would not be forced or coerced in anyway. I would be doing so because I truly loved him. If an older man has some hard requirement that a woman be under 30, that's fine with me, but it seems that a large number of men are not successful in this endeavor when they pass the 35 year mark, and are thus relegating themselves to a life of loneliness.
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Mark Rudy If a woman does not want a family, if a man does not want a family, they should be aware that they have the option of not having one.
I can talk a lot about women being pushed into STEM fields. Mainly, that it rarely happens. At least not in the sense of a girl or woman not having any interest in STEM, pursuing, qualifying for, and graduating from a STEM program. They are very rigorous and competitive and many people just do not have the love to tolerate them, or cognitive capacity for them. I think this "push", at best, can only serve to remind women who might be interested that a STEM field might be an option for them.
I'm skeptical that many older single career women had put off marriage and a family for their career, until it was too late. One of the best places to find a mate is a college campus, because you have a high density of young people of the same age group, the most of whom will be marriage ready by the time they graduate...if not with an undergraduate degree, then with a graduate degree. I think the truth of the matter is, that many of these women are the women for whom it just didn't happen.
Maybe they were not big on the social scene, or were social misfits. Maybe they had been in a relationship that fell apart. Maybe they just didn't attract many guys or the one guy who was attracted to them never got the nerve to approach her, or maybe he did, and she didn't reciprocate for whatever reason.
And then you graduate and get a job and your chances of meeting someone with mutual attraction and compatibility drop off significantly because the population pool you are in shrinks.
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Sage Thinker I did read them, and I also downloaded the Excel spreadsheet and had some fun. I would like to make a correction to my previous post. I missed a column on account of small screen size when selecting columns to sum in Excel. The difference between the average male and female scores is about 1.2 points, which is just less than 6% of the average score. The same questions apply. Is that a statistically significant difference?
I also did notice that males scored on the ACT, 0.2 points higher on average. But the sections of this test are "Reading, English, Mathematics, and "Scientific Reasoning". Reading is a relatively gender neutral at this level. While more males are affected by dyslexia, those who are either don't get to the point of taking the ACT, or overcome it by the time they do take the ACT, or they might have a "reader", so we would expect males and females to have similar performance levels on this sub test. Males scored, on average about 0.4 points lower than females on reading. You can calculate the P value to determine if that is statistically significant. If we were to consider reading, for the sake of the ACT a gender neutral subject, that leaves English, Mathematics, and Scientific Reasoning, which is also known as Science Reasoning, and seems to be composed of mathematical word problems.
I don't object to the idea that males are inherently slightly better at math than females. They might very well be, or not, but we can assume they are if you wish. My claims are that 1. Mathematics alone is not a good measure of human cognition. 2. Females, while they may be outperformed by males, even if slightly, in tasks such as visual spatial reasoning, and perhaps mathematics, outperform males in other tasks, such as critical thinking (aka "English) and social reasoning. Thus, I would like to point out, the ACT does not have a "Social Reasoning" subsection. It has a gender neutral subsection...reading, a subsection which may be inherently favorable to males...mathematics, a subsection which may be inherently favorable to females...English, and then another subsection which may be inherently favorable to males...Scientific Reasoning. So the test may very well be biased against women in that manner.
On that note, I will repeat myself. Western females are just not as interested in STEM fields as western males. Even if they do go into STEM fields, many women leave to start families or because they become tired of being a minority in the workplace.
Women generally tend to have different interests and priorities than men. They may not be interested in chess in nearly the same numbers, instead preferring to chat with their friends about social situations, and this may be far more relevant to a woman than chess.
What you are doing is the equivalent of claiming fish are better than birds because fish are generally better at swimming, when birds generally need to swim more than fly, and so generally excel more at flying.
The article you linked to concerning the SATs actually refutes a lot of your claims. It's a 2 part article, and I suggest you read carefully through both the first and second part.
Anyway I have address your comments and you still have not addressed mine. Do you intend to at all?
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Sage Thinker There is a 0.2 point difference between the total average male score in mathematics and total average female score in mathematics. Males scored 0.2 points higher than females in mathematics. 0.2 points is 0.95% of the combined total average score of males and females. In other words, males did less than 1% better. A statistician would then ask "But is it significant?" To determine that, you would have to calculate the P value. Would you like to calculate that for us?
And if it turns out that your P value indicates there is a statistically significant difference in the performance of males and females in mathematics, would you like to justify how you conclude that females are inherently worse at mathematics, rather than just not interested in the subject?
Also, would you like to justify how you determine that one's performance in mathematics is a better indicator of all around intellectual superiority than say, critical thinking skills and communication skills, because that is what the subject of "English" is in the United States, and females scored, on average, 0.8 points higher than males, and 0.8 points is 3.96% than the combined average score of males and females.
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Sage Thinker Actually, most disorders are NOT caused by women having babies when they are older than 35 years of age. The odds of having baby with Down's Syndrome increases with the age of the mother, but there is evidence to show that the odds of other disorders and birth defects decrease with an increase in the age of the mother. Additionally, the combined prevalence of disorders that are not dependent on the age of the mother, such as recessive and dominant disorders, exceeds the prevalence of Down's Syndrome.
You are correct that testosterone seems to improve spatial reasoning skills, and this is a factor in the increased IQ scores of men. But that is consistent with my claim that modern IQ tests are less likely to identify gifted women than men, because they are still somewhat biased towards testing for attributes that are more relevant to men. For example, while a man may excel in spatial reasoning, a woman might excel in social reasoning, but while older IQ tests tested spatial reasoning, they did not test for any social abilities. More recent IQ tests have started to include subtests that test social abilities, but they still focus more heavily spatial reasoning.
That being said, I disagree that women put emotion above logic. Women simply tend to more often excel at a different type of logic than men. Men are more likely to excel at visual-spatial, and symbolic logic, while women are more likely to excel at social logic and logic pertaining to executive planning. This relates back to primitive roles among humans.
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Red Walker Interesting article. I can tell you, there is a cultural factor to the low number of women in STEM in the west. While STEM fields seem to be low on the list of interests of western girls and women, they are near the top of the list of interests for girls and women in India, where they are considered highly reputable professions. In the west, while there are few women in STEM who are not also immigrants, those native born western women who are in STEM fields tend to be at the top of their class. The reason for this is thought to be the fact that girls are more adverse to failure, so boy who got A's in math in elementary school and middle school, and B's and C's in math in high school, is generally not deterred in the subject, but girls who do well in math in elementary school but who might get B's and C's in middle school and high school, are more likely to conclude they are not good at math, and decide not to go into STEM if they initially had an interest in it. What's left are the girls who did well in math and science all the way through. The ones who were always at the top of their class and managed to stay there.
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Mark Rudy Youtube was acting up and there was an edit to my comment you might not have read before you replied, if you wish to go back and read it. You should not make assumptions about an older woman's past. Not all older single women ran around with bad boys. There are thousands of reasons an older woman could be single, for example, a woman who actually did have the values you want, who was not religious, may very likely be single because most men do not have those values and expect a woman to have premarital sex with them. So chaste, modest women who are not religious often have a hard time finding someone who will stick with them and marry them. Cancer, particularly breast cancer, is another thing that keeps women from relationships, and can do song long after they are cured as many of these women have scars that they are embarrassed by or that shallow men can't get over. Some of these women lost their fiance to tragic circumstances and some of them may just be socially shy and have never dated at all.
I certainly have never dated a "bad boy", and there really isn't a market among the secular men for women who don't do premarital sex. so women like that will very likely be single.
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Mark Rudy I think you misread what I wrote. I'll clarify. I think, due to China's sex disparity, more men rose up than women, but as you pointed out, an upper class man can marry a lower class woman in Chinese society because that is marrying down, and in accordance with Chinese custom, and in accordance with Chinese custom, women are still expected to marry up, so yes, if she is a doctor she would be expected to marry a more prestigious doctor or CEO or something like that. Anyway, I think we will eventually women in China start to marry down as the younger generations start to care less about what their parents and grandparents think.
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Sage Thinker Here's why belief in Allahu is no more logical than belief in witchcraft. Because both have yet to be discovered through a scientific process. You must be told about witchcraft, and you must be told about Allahu, and you have no way to test the existence of either in a laboratory. If this were not the case...if the existence of Allahu could be discovered through a logical, scientific process, then there would be no need for Mohammed. Belief in Allahu would likely arise through discovery among isolated cultures. The importance of Mohammed as a prophet rests on the fact that belief in Allahu could NOT be logically deduced. It, and the rest of Islam, just like knowledge and belief in the concept of witchcraft, has to be spread by word of mouth, or written words, and the belief of such things must be by faith, not logic. If you believe in Allahu then you must accept that he chose these methods.
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