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***** No, men don't age like wine. 20 something doesn't want to date grandpa.
What's the problem anyway? Are you upset because the girls you wanted rejected you and now you are taking it out on older single women like they are the ones who rejected you once upon a time? Well new flash for you, those hot young thangs who rejected you are probably happily married by now and the women you are attacking are likely the ones you never asked out, or are the female equivalent of you. Is that why you are unhappy? The women who are left are the ones YOU rejected, and you are mad you can't get the ones you wanted, so you attack the ones you didn't want? Who would want a person like that.
You see here, I don't buy for a second that no one would have had you, and I think you probably still can find someone with whom you could have a happy relationship, if you manage to get over yourself.
Maybe it's a natural selection thing but it seems to me that you are doing everything in your power to make sure you remain single, by not only rejecting the pool of women available to you, but making sure that you are unattractive to them.
Girls reject guys by saying no and guys reject girls by not asking them to begin with. I bet you never thought of it that way, did you?
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Sage Thinker You have the nerve to ignore all of the contributions a woman makes, and all of her sacrifices, and devalue the traditional role of a woman and ignore it's importance. A woman brought you into this world and if you are like most people, a woman put your needs above her own, taught you not to eat dirt, taught you how to feed yourself, and not to sh!t your pants. What a woman did to you to make you so bitter towards them, I don't know, but I would not be surprised if the kind deeds of 1,000,000 women go ignored by you and cruel deeds of 1 would be that which you judge all women by. I have respect for men and their contributions, you can have respect for women and theirs.
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Gabriel Lewicki That's the fantasy isn't it? It's always easier to think you are the one who doesn't want them, rather than they you, but when a person really doesn't want something, they don't think about it, or come online and rant about it. It's a non issue for them. For example, I don't care about being an Olympian, and I'm not much for sports, so I rarely, if ever, talk about sports or the Olympics. The fact of the matter is, most of these men who come online and rant about women do so because they want women and have a difficult time getting them. Sometimes these men have social deficits. Sometimes these men are on the unfortunate side of statistics. Sometimes these men do not meet some social standard, and sometimes these men literally don't have a female counterpart because of skewed sex ratios.
If a person has difficulty obtaining or maintaining relationships, and this causes them distress, they should seek counseling and attempt to improve their social skills, rather than self isolate and direct negative emotions at that which they have difficulty obtaining. When they self isolate and spew hatred, they sell themselves short and drop any chance they might have had of a happy relationship with another person, to zero.
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I'm just going to copy and paste what I already wrote. It's not really about white people displacing brown people because gentrification doesn't mean white people displacing non-white people. It means more affluent people displacing less affluent people. I'm a white jew from an area that was predominantly white, I got displaced from my hometown when housing prices shot from $200,000 to $600,000 and took rents along with them, pushing out people like me and only being affordable to more affluent people, 50% who happened to be hispanic.
In your area it's white people displacing latino people but in some areas, that's not the case. In some areas, it's more affluent Asian people displacing less affluent white people. Or more affluent white people displacing less affluent white people. Or more affluent latino people displacing less affluent latino people. Or more affluent black people displacing less affluent white people (the term for this is "white flight" to make it sound like white people are running from black people, and that idea masks growing affluence among black people and the idea that black people can be more affluent than white people), or more affluent latino people displacing less affluent latino people.
I don't doubt you felt unwelcome in these restaurants but I'm not in the position to say whether this is because you were not welcome, or your own racial biases. Maybe these places have so many white people because vegan food is more of a thing in white circles? Maybe more latinos need to be turned on to the idea of vegan food? Maybe hipsters are just snob buckets who look down on people who aren't hispsters and need to be educated that anyone can be vegan.
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Sage Thinker But speaking of easy office job, my sister's husband has an office job. He goes to work and works at his desk at his office job. My sister is a chef, and a wet nurse, and works as a nanny, during the day and at night, and she is a buyer, she buys all of the supplies for the house, and a currier because she often has to go get them herself. She is also a personal assistant...she does the laundry and runs all of the errands and makes all of the appointments. She also is a taxi driver, taking the kids everywhere and occasionally driving her husband too and from work, and she also is a maid on top of this, cleaning the entire house, and she does each one of these jobs full time. If you keep ignoring and devaluing the role of women in society, of course you are going to be miserable and resentful and think you as a man have to do all of the work, when you in your traditional role work one job and a woman in her traditional role works 9 jobs. And sometimes she also works outside of the home to help her husband make ends meet, making that 10 jobs.
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Sage Thinker I would like to point out some things for you to think about.
1. You hate feminism but consistently hold equal contempt for women in traditional roles, the contributions of which you devalue or ignore.
2. You have made claims about tribal societies, which, for the most part, are incorrect, suggesting you have spoken on a matter you have not taken the time to educate yourself on. In addition, instead of admitting you might have spoken too soon, you attempted to change the context from tribal societies to modern societies to cover yourself, as if that would not be apparent to everyone.
3. Your belief that a woman is merely a vessel in which to incubate a baby flies in the face of the most basic of scientific knowledge, and to be honest, I'm confounded by this, because that half of our nuclear DNA, and all of our mitichondrial DNA comes from out mothers, is something that I imagine should be taught in elementary school, or middle school at the latest.
I do not mean to sound condescending but I worry sir that your views of the world are based on your ignorance of it and I implore you to challenge your perceptions, be open to the idea that you might be wrong, and educate yourself.
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Sage Thinker Have you never read a biology book or taken a science class? A person inherits 50% of their nuclear DNA from their mother, and 50% of their nuclear DNA from their father, and 100% of their mitichondrial DNA from their mother. The sperm contains 23 chromosomes with the fathers genes, the egg contains 23 chromosomes with the mother's genes, and the mitichrondrial DNA, and this is what you are made out of.
Though it's not relevant to the conversation, and should not be seen as any claim that one sex is superior to the other, you might find it interesting to know that you do not actually need a sperm to replicate an organism, but you do need an egg. In the process by which an animal is cloned, nuclear DNA from a cell is implanted into an egg or an egg with it's own nuclear DNA removed...depending, and this will develop in a similar fashion as a naturally fertilized egg. Some species also have virgin births by different biological processes depending on the species.
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Sage Thinker This article does not support your claim that most wars in history were started by women. It found a 27% increase in wars in Europe when countries were headed by Queen reginas. A queen regina is a queen who was the daughter of a ruling king, and ascended the throne, and thus becomes the head of state, and takes on the duties of a ruling King. The article states that countries more often attacked the countries of these Queens when they were single, as opposed to married, which may be one factor in the increase in wars, and also that when these Queens were married,they tended to divide their responsibilities with their husbands, allowing them to more effectively pursue foreign policies. In short, it's speculated that the increase in wars was due to the fact that single ruling Queens were more likely to have their countries attacked, and married ruling Queens were more likely to have the administrative resources to launch effective military actions.
It in no way supports your claim that most wars were started by women, because the article talks about Europe, not the world, a small time from, not most of human history, and if her country was attacked, she didn't start the war.
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Sage Thinker Far from most women die as a result of pregnancy. The highest maternal mortality rate is found in Sierra Leon, where most women don't have access to modern medical care. It has a rate of about 1,360 deaths per 100,000 pregnancies. That means, if the country had 100,000 pregnant women, 1.36% would die as a result of pregnancy. Even in instances where the mother dies, it's rarely the men who are left to care for the child. It's usually a female relative. If no female relative is able to care for the child, the child often ends up in an orphanage. Even if the man did stay at home and care for the child, he would then be filling a woman's traditional role. People did not starve in Europe because many of the men had been killed in war. People starved in Europe because all of the food went to feed the men fighting the war and you can't plant crops when a war is being fought in your field and your town is being bombed.
Yep, most farmers and fishermen today are men, but as I said, in tribal societies, women in their traditional roles farmed and gathered.
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Sage Thinker In tribal societies, that's not actually true except in a small number of hunter gatherer societies which exist in areas that vegetation is scarce. In most hunter gatherer societies, women provide the majority of food by gardening and gathering. In some of these societies, women and men both may participate in hunting if the society uses netting techniques that require animals be scared out of bushes. Hunting with weapons is something that is primarily a male activity, and while this brings in prized protein sources, they do not comprise the majority of the food supply. Most tribal societies, however, are not hunter gatherers but pastoralists. Most of their food is in the form of dairy, and sometimes blood, or meat from their livestock. In these societies men often only have two responsibilities, and those are to shepherd the livestock and occasionally slaughter them, while the women gather the firewood, fetch the water, build the houses, make the clothes and jewelry, milk the animals, process and cook food, and feed the children and look after them. These are primarily African tribal societies. In Amazonian tribal societies, they are not pastoralists and the division of the labor is a little more even, with men building the houses and assisting more in gardening and food processing.
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I can't believe how unobservant you lot are. For those of you who have never spent time in marine environments, things in the water float back and forth with the current, so the driver would not have been able to determine that the Ferry was actually pulling away. Apparently, the Ferry employees didn't know the Ferry was pulling away either, as opposed to just drifting with the current, because one pointed her into a parking space as she approached! When they saw it was actually pulling away, they ran off ramp.
In most jurisdictions, it's the captains responsibility to ensure the safety of the crew and passengers, and the captain failed here. When passenger ships in the US depart, there is no ambiguity. The entire crew knows departure is underway because specific procedures are followed, and this usually includes untying the vessel and a few blasts of the horn to signal the boat or ship is pulling away from the dock.
As to why she stopped and didn't continue forward, it looks like the back tire hit the edge of the deck at the mid point. That usually causes the tire to pop, and sometimes messes up the rims. I can tell you from the experience of being in a car that hit a curb like that, the jolt and sound would cause most people to stop to see what they hit. Remember, she only saw a smooth path in front of her, and probably had no idea what she hit. It appears the car might also be rear wheel drive. If you look closely, you can see water spray up when the back tires enters the water. Anyway, poor little girl. Horrible lack of safety procedures, and this line have received complaints about this in the past.
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Sage Thinker English class in the US is critical thinking and comprehension. It's the ability to understand situations and what is being communicated. Course work often entails reading essays and stories and analyzing them, and writing essays that clearly and concisely articulate that which you wish to communicate. The skills stressed in mandatory American English classes are integral to being able to understand and navigate the world, even in STEM fields.
I would not say STEM fields are "hard", though for most they are certainly time intensive. What actually makes something easy or difficult is how well your brain is wired for it. Some people excel more at mathematics than essay writing, and would say mathematics is the easier of the two fields, and some people excel more at essay writing, and would say that is the easier of the two fields (By the way, the prestige of STEM professor in academia is measured by the number of papers he or she has published, and the amount of grant money, which is obtained through written proposals, he or she can obtain). If a woman excels at a STEM field then she excels at a STEM field, and there would be no reason to exclude her from it based on her sex alone.
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Sage Thinker Elizabeth Báthory? You are really reaching now. But only one of us has to dredge up obscure people from history, or vaguely related articles on small, obscure tribes in the rain forest, and attempt to spin it to make potential exceptions into the generalized case. Since you are so inclined to do so anyway, look up photos and videos of ISIS, wars, and whatever battles and militant groups please you. When the majority of the people in those videos gathering in groups and waving guns and swords and launching rockets at and destroying cities like Homs and Damascus (which have been destroyed many times over by armies of men for centuries), are women, you will be correct in your assertion. When the history books talk primarily about armies of 100,000 of women, overthrowing whatever army of other women, and sacking cities, you will be correct in your assertion, but the people in all of these scenarios are not women, but men. Understand, this is not attempting to paint men as bad people, or proclaim that all, or even most men are horribly violent...most men are law abiding citizens. It is just the fact of our species, that like most other mammalian species, the males are more inclined to physical violence than the females. It was not evolutionarily favorable for the females of our species to be as inclined towards physical violence because of her role as primary care giver. It's more favorable for a woman to defuse a situation or use passive aggression.
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Mark Rudy I believe you are referring to the paper called "The Paradox of Declining Female Happiness" http://www.nber.org/papers/w14969.pdf
I don't have time to read the paper thoroughly but if I read correctly, the decline in female happiness was across the board....single working women and married female home makers both had a decline in happiness, and the study could not pinpoint the cause, but rejected various theories on it. They did speculate though that the lives of women have become increasingly more complex and that women might feel they have to meet more standards than in the past. Or it could be that society in general is less happy and women are just more forthcoming with this, or it could have been sample selection bias in that they are just not looking in the right places for unhappy men.
I seem to come across disproportionately more unhappy men on the internet than I do women. They are usually unhappy that they are single, or have had a bad relationship. I think men actually get more lonely when they are single than women, which is part of the reason I think it's unfortunate that some single older men are not receptive to dating women closer to their age. I'm not saying they should date a woman they find unattractive...it's imperative they be attracted to her, but they are often looking for women in venues where they do not have a chance to interact with her in person, and there are often dimensions of attraction that only come across in person. They are looking for women on venues that you type an age range in a box, and they might be preventing themselves from meeting a woman they would find attractive and are compatible with, by the number they enter into that box.
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+SGPlays well a woman birthed you, and kept you alive, and fed you and wiped your ass and taught you not to sh!t yourself, and not to eat poison in hopes you would turn into an upstanding, productive member of society....but maybe you are right and it was useless. Studies have shown that men who insult women online are literally losers. Not figuratively, but literally. This woman in this video not only was a productive member of society, but took a great risk to her own life in an attempt to save all of those men, and you are doing what with your life? Watching anime, playing video games, and insulting women on the internet in a completely failed attempt to raise yourself up? You can't build honor, value, or worth by putting others down. You build honor by doing something honorable, you build value by doing something valuable, and you build worth by making yourself worthy. Most men learn those things as boys in the Boy Scouts or from their fathers. I'm sorry you missed out on that but now you know it.
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Sage Thinker Do you know what a perfect example of the importance of social intelligence is? The Tesla vs. Edison affair. We can both agree that Tesla was a rare genius with abilities in engineering that far surpassed anyone that I know of. However, though he was also noted to be charming and a good showman, he was lacking in social intelligence, and got royally screwed by the more socially endowed Edison. Edison was able to use his social prowess to drive Tesla, despite his genius in engineering, into the ground, and Tesla faded into obscurity and died destitute because of it. Do you know what the electric company in my area used to be called? "Edison". Edison was socially intelligent enough to get the backers, and the money, and become a brand name, and sway the minds of people in his favor, despite the technological short comings of the ideas he marketed.
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mewabe4 It's not outdated because many marriages still have primary care givers who do their job as home maker and child carer. As I said to the last person I discussed this with though, it's like with infidelity. Of course an adulterer should not receive anything in a divorce because they violated the sanctity of the marriage and undermined it. But if this were a factor in who got what, the courts would be bogged down with a bunch claims that couldn't be proven, and he said/she said arguments...it would be like a Jerry Springer episode, so the courts no longer take this into account. It's the same with alimony.
Most divorced caregivers I know, btw, are not living the high life. Most of them become single working parents and have to try to raise the kids and make ends meet with the jobs they can get, which is usually low paying.
For most people, who are poor or middle class, divorce is a financial strain on both parties, and personally I think if there is no abuse, people should work harder at maintaining their marriage. For most married couples, at one point they liked each other enough to marry each other. What changed? Did anything even change? Or were expectations not met? And if they weren't met, were they even talked about before marriage? Romance is great. All marriages should have it, but there's also a business end to marriage. In a business, employees know their job description and what is expected of them, and there are meetings and a structure to ensure the business continues to operate smoothly, and the boss understands what the job of his or her employees entail. Marriages should be treated the same way.
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Sorel366 In many places, when two people marry, at least some of their assets either become joint assets, or some or all of the assets brought into the marriage by either party become joint assets. What is yours, under a government, is ultimately determined by laws. Where I am, all assets a married person obtains while married are joint assets shared by both spouses. Financial responsibility is also shared. If one spouse earns $100,000, it's both of theirs. If one spouse racks up a $100,000 debt, both of them are held accountable.
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Sage Thinker Some people like Stephen King. Some people like Judy Blume. As far as I can tell, the board of the most prestigious literary prize in the west...the Pulitzer Prize, did not have a female member until the 1980's, and women are still a minority. I wouldn't expect subjects and genres that appeal to women to equally appeal to men so it would make sense that a male board or predominantly male board would be biased towards male authors who write about subjects and genres that would more appeal to men. Gender biased is a hot topic in the literary and entertainment industries, and there have been many papers citing it's existence. Anyway, you have still yet to answer any of my questions to you, and I will not discuss further subjects you bring up until you address them.
I will re-iterate one of them. How are beliefs in things such as Allah, jinn, and shaytan more logical than witchcraft (which the quran also discusses). How do you conclude that a woman who believes in witchcraft, by virtue of that, is more illogical and more superstitions than a man who believes in Allah, or jinn, or shaytan?
Also, show me how you come up with the numbers and percentages you did in your last post.
And why should a woman not study STEM, merely because she is a woman, if she has the aptitude for it?
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Sage Thinker Maybe you can clarify. I don't really follow your reasoning.
For simplicity, If you had 100 coders, and 87 were men, and 13 were women, and 74% of men had their code accepted, that's 64 men who had their code accepted. If 78% of women had their code accepted, that's 10 women.
Now before we go any further, understand when you have two substantially different sample sizes of two groups you are comparing, that introduces a sample bias.
the larger group will almost always give a better representation of the general population from which it was sampled, than the smaller group.
Now here is the statement of yours I don't understand. "So if you do the math and it was reversed and women were 87% of coders less than 50% of women coders would be accepted"
If you said women were 87% of the coders, and we had 100 coders total, then there would be 87 female coders.
If the percentage of women who have their code accepted remains the same, that is...74%, then 64 women have their code accepted.
Of 87 women, 64 women is not less than 50%. It's 74%.
So I don't understand where you come up with "less than 50%". Please clarify.
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Sage Thinker I did read them, and I also downloaded the Excel spreadsheet and had some fun. I would like to make a correction to my previous post. I missed a column on account of small screen size when selecting columns to sum in Excel. The difference between the average male and female scores is about 1.2 points, which is just less than 6% of the average score. The same questions apply. Is that a statistically significant difference?
I also did notice that males scored on the ACT, 0.2 points higher on average. But the sections of this test are "Reading, English, Mathematics, and "Scientific Reasoning". Reading is a relatively gender neutral at this level. While more males are affected by dyslexia, those who are either don't get to the point of taking the ACT, or overcome it by the time they do take the ACT, or they might have a "reader", so we would expect males and females to have similar performance levels on this sub test. Males scored, on average about 0.4 points lower than females on reading. You can calculate the P value to determine if that is statistically significant. If we were to consider reading, for the sake of the ACT a gender neutral subject, that leaves English, Mathematics, and Scientific Reasoning, which is also known as Science Reasoning, and seems to be composed of mathematical word problems.
I don't object to the idea that males are inherently slightly better at math than females. They might very well be, or not, but we can assume they are if you wish. My claims are that 1. Mathematics alone is not a good measure of human cognition. 2. Females, while they may be outperformed by males, even if slightly, in tasks such as visual spatial reasoning, and perhaps mathematics, outperform males in other tasks, such as critical thinking (aka "English) and social reasoning. Thus, I would like to point out, the ACT does not have a "Social Reasoning" subsection. It has a gender neutral subsection...reading, a subsection which may be inherently favorable to males...mathematics, a subsection which may be inherently favorable to females...English, and then another subsection which may be inherently favorable to males...Scientific Reasoning. So the test may very well be biased against women in that manner.
On that note, I will repeat myself. Western females are just not as interested in STEM fields as western males. Even if they do go into STEM fields, many women leave to start families or because they become tired of being a minority in the workplace.
Women generally tend to have different interests and priorities than men. They may not be interested in chess in nearly the same numbers, instead preferring to chat with their friends about social situations, and this may be far more relevant to a woman than chess.
What you are doing is the equivalent of claiming fish are better than birds because fish are generally better at swimming, when birds generally need to swim more than fly, and so generally excel more at flying.
The article you linked to concerning the SATs actually refutes a lot of your claims. It's a 2 part article, and I suggest you read carefully through both the first and second part.
Anyway I have address your comments and you still have not addressed mine. Do you intend to at all?
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Sage Thinker There is a 0.2 point difference between the total average male score in mathematics and total average female score in mathematics. Males scored 0.2 points higher than females in mathematics. 0.2 points is 0.95% of the combined total average score of males and females. In other words, males did less than 1% better. A statistician would then ask "But is it significant?" To determine that, you would have to calculate the P value. Would you like to calculate that for us?
And if it turns out that your P value indicates there is a statistically significant difference in the performance of males and females in mathematics, would you like to justify how you conclude that females are inherently worse at mathematics, rather than just not interested in the subject?
Also, would you like to justify how you determine that one's performance in mathematics is a better indicator of all around intellectual superiority than say, critical thinking skills and communication skills, because that is what the subject of "English" is in the United States, and females scored, on average, 0.8 points higher than males, and 0.8 points is 3.96% than the combined average score of males and females.
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Mark Rudy That was the ideal 60 years ago but ideals and reality are often very different. I don't know that the women were actually happier. Maybe they were, or maybe they just said they were, because part of the ideal was that a woman was not just any home maker, but a happy home maker, and people were big on keeping up appearances. You are not any more wrong for wanting a chaste, pretty, young, submissive, pure, yet secular wife who worships you, any more than any woman would be wrong for wanting a rich, young, handsome husband who shares her values and only has eyes for her, and they live happily ever after like in a fairy tale. But we must remember that potential spouses are not objects we can customize, or that exist merely to please us. They are other human beings like ourselves. They have minds and desires, like ourselves, and imperfections like ourselves, and often hope we will be forgiving of those imperfections as we hope they are forgiving of ours. Anyway, may you find someone you are happy with and may she also be happy with you.
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Mark Rudy If a woman does not want a family, if a man does not want a family, they should be aware that they have the option of not having one.
I can talk a lot about women being pushed into STEM fields. Mainly, that it rarely happens. At least not in the sense of a girl or woman not having any interest in STEM, pursuing, qualifying for, and graduating from a STEM program. They are very rigorous and competitive and many people just do not have the love to tolerate them, or cognitive capacity for them. I think this "push", at best, can only serve to remind women who might be interested that a STEM field might be an option for them.
I'm skeptical that many older single career women had put off marriage and a family for their career, until it was too late. One of the best places to find a mate is a college campus, because you have a high density of young people of the same age group, the most of whom will be marriage ready by the time they graduate...if not with an undergraduate degree, then with a graduate degree. I think the truth of the matter is, that many of these women are the women for whom it just didn't happen.
Maybe they were not big on the social scene, or were social misfits. Maybe they had been in a relationship that fell apart. Maybe they just didn't attract many guys or the one guy who was attracted to them never got the nerve to approach her, or maybe he did, and she didn't reciprocate for whatever reason.
And then you graduate and get a job and your chances of meeting someone with mutual attraction and compatibility drop off significantly because the population pool you are in shrinks.
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Mark Rudy Well misogyny should be frowned upon, as should misandry, caste discrimination, racial prejudice, etc. Anyway, I'm glad that I don't live in the world you fantasize about where I would only be seen to exist to please a man and would not have much of a say in the matter. As I previously said, should I ever marry, of course I would strive to be a good wife to my husband, but the key concept here is that it would not be forced or coerced in anyway. I would be doing so because I truly loved him. If an older man has some hard requirement that a woman be under 30, that's fine with me, but it seems that a large number of men are not successful in this endeavor when they pass the 35 year mark, and are thus relegating themselves to a life of loneliness.
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Mark Rudy I don't know any 35 year old woman who considers herself infertile unless she actually is. We have a large number of older couples in my city starting families past 35. I'm in STEM and the reason women tend to become discontent with their careers as they get into their mid 30's is because they tire of lack of promotions and the culture. I can't speak for women in other fields. But I can tell you, my grandmother, who married when she was 19 and had 5 kids was so miserable that she wasn't smiling in any of the family photos when she was a housewife. If I had married and had a family when I was young, I know I would have been miserable. What if you, as a young man, were expected to marry and settle down in your early 20's before you even had a chance to explore the world and understand who you are a little better? I think most men would go insane.
There's no reason to think women are really any different, particularly because through most of human history, marriage and child bearing had often been somewhat of a forced affair for women and this took away any pressure to evolve an actual preference for marrying and baring children young. So do I regret not marrying young and having kids? Heck no, I would have been absolutely miserable! I would have been sitting there thinking of what I could have done with my life, and to be honest, I think it would have been unfair of me to pretend I was attracted to or loved a man who I didn't. Would I like to marry now? If I find someone I like enough to marry and who likes me enough to marry me, but I do prefer to be alone rather than with someone I don't actually have any interest in or who does not have any interest in me. I might be career oriented but if I marry a man I would like it to be someone I could be a good wife to. Would I want kids? I wouldn't mind them but I would not be devastated if I didn't have them.....I would just think it's a little unfortunate for the world.
As for those 35+ single career women who do lament that they can't find anyone, we both know that that's hogwash. These women, as always, just can't find someone they like and maybe they need to accept the fact that they are the female version of those lonely old guys who can't find someone because they are only receptive to dating women between 18-25.
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The problem with drug addicts is they don't sit there in their house getting high and not bothering anyone. They create mayhem and often do dangerous and criminal things when under the influence. They often cannot maintain employment and will steal and rob to obtain money for their addiction. Lifting the prohibition didn't reduce the number of alcoholics, it just made it unprofitable for organized crime syndicates. Because alcohol is so easily obtainable, homeless alcoholics fair significantly worse than homeless drug addicts, and create more problems. Drug addicts sober up on a fairly regular basis due to the fact that it's not as easy to obtain drugs as it is alcohol. Homeless drug addicts will use this sober time to attend to personal hygiene and personal and business affairs. Homeless alcoholics have access to a steady, unbroken conveyor belt of alcohol. They never sober up and their hygiene, state of mind, and quality of life suffer significantly because of it. They are significantly more likely than homeless drug addicts to completely forgo personal hygiene and care, live in clothes soiled with urine, vomit, and feces, and urinate and defecate on streets, sidewalks and buildings. San Diego is having a deadly hepatitis A outbreak for this very reason. They have had to pressure clean the sidewalks with a bleach solution in an effort to prevent the virus from spreading, as it's easily communicable.
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Angel: You are uninformed. Affirmative action was an idea tossed around in the 90s and is not in effect today. There are few full ride scholarships but the ones that exists are not predominantly nor are they exclusively for black people. Most black people who go to college have to fund their college education the way most white people do. Grants, loans, and maybe a few small scholarships and work study. The UNCF does keep a list of privately funded scholarships that may be available only to people who are ethnically African or have African heritage, however what people such as yourself overlook or are ignorant to is the fact that there are similar scholarships for people of European ethnicity or heritage. You can find scholarships for ethnically British people, people of Kossack heritage, people with French huguenot ancestry. Scholarship offerings are diverse. You can find scholarships for people who descend from revolutionary war soldiers, civil war soldiers, indentured servants, people who's father was a cop, freemason, went to X university or high school.....probably even scholarships for people who's ancestors died of dysentery on the Oregon trail if you looked hard enough. So no, there are not more funding opportunities for black people than white people based on race.
Some colleges do have programs for disadvantaged students and their idea of disadvantaged does involve the idea of being a racial minority, however sometimes these programs aren't what they seem. I know this not because I was part of one, I wasn't, but because I had to sit through the info session to one of them at my university. I come from a disadvantaged background but was apparently too white to ever be invited to join this program...I was there because I had a student job and helped with the event set up. So there I was sitting there totally pissed off that I was excluded from the program because of my race, despite being from an economically disadvantaged background, until I realized what was really going on.
The entire program was basically a way for the school to try to milk an extra $4,000 out of people of color who were low income....but not so low income that their parents couldn't take out loans. In exchange for the $4,000, students would be permitted to start during the summer rather than the fall (big deal, you get one or two classes out of the way...for twice the typical summer tuition), had access to tutoring (big deal, there were multiple tutoring centers open to all students), and I guess maybe someone would come along and give them a pat on the back for encouragement every so often. I left the event feeling kind of sick that the school would try to scam unsuspecting working class people like that who had spent most of their lives putting away so their kids could be the first in their family to go to college, and realized that if I had been invited to the event as a potential program participant I would have been thinking "$4,000? LO f'ing L! Bye." Anyway most Americans, black or white, are in the same boat as far as funding their college education.
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This list is wrong. Snobbery can't be measured by wealth alone. I doubt Steve Wozniak is a snob. A lot of affluent people are nice people and were not always affluent. That being said, yes, Beverly Hills is snobby. They are hindering the expansion of the subway in Los Angeles because they don't want people from the bad areas coming through their part of town. Malibu is also snobby because it's residents try to block off beach access. They put up illegal fake "no parking" signs, and hire private security guards to harass people on the beach. The police department has wrongly sided with security guards in some instances and once threatened to arrest a representative from the coastal commission for refusing to leave a public section of beach which a private security guard was claiming was private. You forgot Santa Barbara. People in Santa Barbara think Santa Barbara is the absolute best city in the world and everyone else would love to live there. It'd be a great city, if it wasn't full of people from Santa Barbara. Near the top of the list is Hidden Hills. You've probably never heard of it. It's a small city that is occupied almost entirely by a private, gated community of mansions. The city hall and post office and whatever other city services they have literally sit right outside the gates like guard shacks. You, as an American citizen, are not allowed in most of the city unless you live there. The top of the list is the city of Vernon. If you have ever seen Vernon, you may be quite puzzled. For those who haven't seen Vernon, CA, it's nearly 100% tagged up, runned down industrial superfund clean up site with few trees and train tracks running between the factories, warehouses, and slag heaps. You might wonder "How the hell is this place snobby?" Well for decades, the city was ran by a small, related group of people who ran all of the residential population out of the city. The city owns the little residential housing that's remaining and the city employees supposedly live there. I say supposedly because it was discovered during a voter fraud investigation that some of them actually don't. And why would they? It's the ugliest city in the U.S. But they claimed to be residents because a city needs residents so it will have voters and continue to exist, and thus, this is how a very small group of people created their own country within a country and nearly went to jail for it. The city was almost dissolved, but is now expecting 200 new residential housing units. So Vernon is both the worst place, and snobbiest place to live in CA.
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David Leitman I would like to point out some differences between race and gender.
The first is, gender, if defined as the behavioral and cognitive processes most often conveyed by one's culture, and biological sex, has both social and biological components, the latter which is subject to the same variation that all other biological entities are. There is no conclusive or widely accepted evidence that the same holds for race; that there are biological components, conveyed by race, that are responsible for certain behavioral characteristics and cognitive processes, in a generalized way. Dolezal says she identifies as "black" but what she actually identifies as culturally African American. She just thought she had to be black to be a cultural insider. And maybe, on some level, that is the case. But most black people are not African American and black people world wide are not, and don't see themselves as a culturally homogeneous people. African American culture is just as foreign to a black person in Botswana, as Japanese culture.
The second is, sex, and at least some of it's gender components, develops in the womb in a way different from race. The default of the human form is female in phenotype. A person with no genetic sex, as is the case with Turner Syndrome, will develop as female, though will often be infertile. For a human embryo to develop a male phenotype, the fetus has to be exposed to androgens during a certain time frame in fetal development. This process is usually started when the SRY gene causes the ovotestes to develop into testicles and start producing the androgen, but a genetically female fetus will develop a male phenotype all the same if exposed to androgens during the proper time period, and this occasionally happens through external exposure such as medications the mother takes, or internal exposure, such as can arise in certain disorders. An phenotypically male infant must be exposed to further androgens at puberty to develop an adult male phenotype. But racial phenotypes do not rely on such a process to develop in the womb. There is no default racial phenotype and racial phenotype is polygenic. There is no such things as biological race because what we call race is a group of genes or gene variations to which certain physical characteristics can be attributed, but are usually not all present in the individuals of the group in question, and this variation differs from that seen with variation in sex determination.
3. Caitlyn Jenner is not passing herself off as someone who was born with a female phenotype or as someone who was raised female. Rachel Dolezal tried to pass herself off as someone with recent sub-Saharan ancestry, and tried to obscure her actual ancestry, and has possible told more grave lies on top of that. But Bruce/Caitlyn has been very transparent.
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black pantah Dowry is paid by the bride's family to the groom or his family. Bride price is when the man or his family pays for a wife, but dowry is far more common than bride price. The exact purpose of dowry and bride price vary from culture to culture. In many cultures, dowry is to offset the economic burden of the wife to the husband, and to discourage him from divorcing her, because he usually must return some or all of it in a divorce, in which case it serves as a type of alimony. However in India more often than not, it's role has been relegated to profiteering, because families with unmarried boys know that families with unmarried girls are desperate to marry their daughters off for cultural reasons.
In Shia Islam there is a temporary "marriage" called a Nikah Mut'ah which is essentially prostitution, and, in fact, is how many prostitutes in Iran operate. It is a relationship in which a man pays the woman an agreed upon sum to "marry" him, usually for the purpose of sex. The agreement is officialized by an Imam and the marriage can last for any period of time, no matter how short, however many Imams require a few weeks or months. Unlike regular marriages, however, the woman must not be a virgin. The woman must also be either Muslim or a person of the book, meaning a jew or a christian. It's usually single mothers with no viable alternatives to bring in enough income for their children who enter into these contracts.
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That's actually not how it works. The males of most mammalian species are larger and stronger than the females. This is likely because, in mammals, the males who were strong enough to fight the other male off, mount the female, and hang on long enough to inseminate her, was more successful at passing on his genes. In the history of human evolution, females likely had little say in who they reproduced with. Before we were quite so civilized, most sexual encounters were probably more akin to rape, or at least coerced sex, and in most cultures, until recently, marriages were arranged by the parents, and while a woman could sometimes reject her fiancee in theory, this was usually not the case in practice.
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chauvinistic indian No I didn't. I said "Look at an Indian city or any city in a developing country, vs. a first world city". There are first world cities in the east, for example, all Japanese cities and most prefeture level cities in eastern China, as well as Seoul, in South Korea. There are developing nations in the west. For example, Brazil (which does have first world cities, by the way, but is still considered a developing nation), El Salvador...heck, most central and South American countries. Were the British horribly racist towards Indians? Yes. Do you have a right to be upset over the indignities to your ancestors? Yes. Do you want your cities to be a little cleaner and look a little nicer? Well no point sitting in the dirt and lamenting about long dead British people. They can't come back from the grave and clean up your cities, nor should you want them to as they are your cities.
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Sage Thinker Here's why belief in Allahu is no more logical than belief in witchcraft. Because both have yet to be discovered through a scientific process. You must be told about witchcraft, and you must be told about Allahu, and you have no way to test the existence of either in a laboratory. If this were not the case...if the existence of Allahu could be discovered through a logical, scientific process, then there would be no need for Mohammed. Belief in Allahu would likely arise through discovery among isolated cultures. The importance of Mohammed as a prophet rests on the fact that belief in Allahu could NOT be logically deduced. It, and the rest of Islam, just like knowledge and belief in the concept of witchcraft, has to be spread by word of mouth, or written words, and the belief of such things must be by faith, not logic. If you believe in Allahu then you must accept that he chose these methods.
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Red Walker Interesting article. I can tell you, there is a cultural factor to the low number of women in STEM in the west. While STEM fields seem to be low on the list of interests of western girls and women, they are near the top of the list of interests for girls and women in India, where they are considered highly reputable professions. In the west, while there are few women in STEM who are not also immigrants, those native born western women who are in STEM fields tend to be at the top of their class. The reason for this is thought to be the fact that girls are more adverse to failure, so boy who got A's in math in elementary school and middle school, and B's and C's in math in high school, is generally not deterred in the subject, but girls who do well in math in elementary school but who might get B's and C's in middle school and high school, are more likely to conclude they are not good at math, and decide not to go into STEM if they initially had an interest in it. What's left are the girls who did well in math and science all the way through. The ones who were always at the top of their class and managed to stay there.
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Sage Thinker Actually, most disorders are NOT caused by women having babies when they are older than 35 years of age. The odds of having baby with Down's Syndrome increases with the age of the mother, but there is evidence to show that the odds of other disorders and birth defects decrease with an increase in the age of the mother. Additionally, the combined prevalence of disorders that are not dependent on the age of the mother, such as recessive and dominant disorders, exceeds the prevalence of Down's Syndrome.
You are correct that testosterone seems to improve spatial reasoning skills, and this is a factor in the increased IQ scores of men. But that is consistent with my claim that modern IQ tests are less likely to identify gifted women than men, because they are still somewhat biased towards testing for attributes that are more relevant to men. For example, while a man may excel in spatial reasoning, a woman might excel in social reasoning, but while older IQ tests tested spatial reasoning, they did not test for any social abilities. More recent IQ tests have started to include subtests that test social abilities, but they still focus more heavily spatial reasoning.
That being said, I disagree that women put emotion above logic. Women simply tend to more often excel at a different type of logic than men. Men are more likely to excel at visual-spatial, and symbolic logic, while women are more likely to excel at social logic and logic pertaining to executive planning. This relates back to primitive roles among humans.
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Mark Rudy Youtube was acting up and there was an edit to my comment you might not have read before you replied, if you wish to go back and read it. You should not make assumptions about an older woman's past. Not all older single women ran around with bad boys. There are thousands of reasons an older woman could be single, for example, a woman who actually did have the values you want, who was not religious, may very likely be single because most men do not have those values and expect a woman to have premarital sex with them. So chaste, modest women who are not religious often have a hard time finding someone who will stick with them and marry them. Cancer, particularly breast cancer, is another thing that keeps women from relationships, and can do song long after they are cured as many of these women have scars that they are embarrassed by or that shallow men can't get over. Some of these women lost their fiance to tragic circumstances and some of them may just be socially shy and have never dated at all.
I certainly have never dated a "bad boy", and there really isn't a market among the secular men for women who don't do premarital sex. so women like that will very likely be single.
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Mark Rudy I think you misread what I wrote. I'll clarify. I think, due to China's sex disparity, more men rose up than women, but as you pointed out, an upper class man can marry a lower class woman in Chinese society because that is marrying down, and in accordance with Chinese custom, and in accordance with Chinese custom, women are still expected to marry up, so yes, if she is a doctor she would be expected to marry a more prestigious doctor or CEO or something like that. Anyway, I think we will eventually women in China start to marry down as the younger generations start to care less about what their parents and grandparents think.
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Most drug users are 1. In denial that they have a problem, and 2. Underestimate the impact of their problems on others. I've had the misfortune of knowing a lot of drug addicts. All kinds of drugs, and it was always the pot smokers who were the worst to interact with. Crack addicts and heroin addicts, they have a time and place for their drugs. When they are drugged up, they know they are impaired, and they are sober for big chunks of time, but pot addicts don't have a time and place. They are like prescription pain killer addicts who try to go about their day under the influence, and they don't think it's a big deal. In fact they don't think that anything is a big deal, even when it is to others, because that's what pot does. It makes you think that nothing is a big deal, and makes you emotionally unavailable. That can have very profound and negative affects on those around you. I saw a documentary about a lady with cerebral palsy who was trying to get pot legalized. Her fiance had committed suicide. They had gotten into a verbal argument and she told him he was worse than the man who had raped her. He was so upset about this that he locked himself in the bathroom, and instead of talking it out, she kept urging him to come downstairs to smoke some pot. He committed suicide in the bathroom. And after recounting this story she added that if he had just come down stairs and smoked some pot, everything would have been fine. She completely discounted his feelings and the hurt she had caused him. She completely brushed it off because pot made her think that what she said wasn't a big deal, and pot was a solution to everything for her.
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+OCTANE91 I understand that you feel that "black and Mexicans score a lot lower than whites and still get the same degree" and if that were the case it would certainly be unfair, but it's not the case. Colleges and universities have GPA policies which are applied uniformly throughout the program of study. At my university, in my particular program, a passing grade was a D but to graduate and receive a degree, you had to maintain a GPA above 2.0. That applied to everyone. Most masters programs in my field require a GPA of at least 3.0. And that also applies to everyone. There are ethnicity and race based scholarships offered by private organizations or trusts that anyone can set up. That being said, I've seen as many for students of specific European heritages as I have for black and latino students. Because there is always competition for scholarships, there are always merit requirements as well, and often requirements as to the type of institution you are at, your field of study, and so on. Are you of Lithuanian heritage? You can find scholarships for Lithuanians at the Lithuanian Foundation. Scottish? Try Scottish Heritage USA. There's even scholarships for children of coal miners, and railway workers, and steel workers. You can look this stuff up. I do seem to recall some students were to upset to take exams due to a noose at some university. I don't know if the university decided to accommodate their requests or not but universities actually accommodate what are considered to be extenuating circumstances all the time, and if they did accommodate these students then they would have also accommodated a white student who was equally upset by the incident. If not because they believed the student, then because they just wanted to avoid the hassle of a legal battle. You know your problem is that you don't challenge your perceptions. Of course if you think others are getting things you aren't, you are going to be upset but your upset was based on false perceptions. There's a scholarship for you based on your heritage if you want one, you just have to find it and then meet the additional criteria.
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I don't know about SSDI, but people on SSI are permitted to work, and the system was designed with the idea that individuals on it would engage in part time work. The first S in SSI stands for supplemental. The idea is that a disabled person works part time and the combination of part time income and supplemental security income would provide them with enough to get by, as SSI alone does not. Those on SSI who do not work usually have to rely on family or other government benefits such as welfare to make ends meet.
When a person on SSI works, they have to submit copies of their pay stubs to the SSA, and sliding scale deductions are made to their SSI benefits, such that, if a person makes $2,000 in one month, they do not receive benefits for that month...the cut off might be a little higher these days though.
If they don't submit pay stubs, the SSA will find out about the employment through their regular audits, and the person could face penalties.
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pink panther Unless of course you have Klinefelter Syndrome (XXY), Turner Syndrome (X0), certain instances of congenital adrenal hyperplasia, androgen insensitivity syndrome, certain forms of hypogonadism, hermaphoriditism with any karotype (XX, XY, XX/XO, XY/XO, etc), and various other intersexed conditions.
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The problem with North Korea did not start with Obama or Bush, or even Bush Sr. or Reagan. The problem with North Korea started at it's inception when communism spread into the Korean peninsula and the Korean War broke out in 1950. The war was never concluded. We have been at a cease fire all of these decades, and the front line has become the border. It was impossible to win the war at the time because North Korea was backed by Russia, who we could not fend off but only stalemate with, and China, and we were still recovering from WWII. North Korean ideology eventually morphed from communism to the "Juche Idea" and the cult of Kim formed. North Korea began to isolate itself and eventually even distanced itself from Russia and became the weird, 1984 totalitarian state that it is today. The only chance we had to dissolve the regime was likely in the late 1980's when the Soviet Union was collapsing and China was converting to a free market economy, but at this point, American attention was on Iran and the middle east, worry what the fall of the USSR would mean for it's nuclear arsenal, ousting the Panamanian president, Manuel Noriega, on drug charges, the drug war, and The New Kids on the Block.
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+NuclearBeast NB Being we can't even take out a bunch of guerilla fighters in the middle east, Afghanistan and Vietnam, who had nowhere near the technology or defense budget we have, what makes you think we can "take out" a well organized, militaristic regime who eats, sleeps, lives, and breaths the idea of fighting us, and has been planning for our invasion for 60 years? How many times do we have to get out ass kicked before we realize that we aren't all that good at kicking ass, maybe other people are a lot tougher than we give them credit for? And a war with North Korea won't be some intangible thing in a distant land. American soil..possibly even in the continental US, will be hit and American civilians will die.
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mharris1270 When my friend was 17, he knocked a girl up (despite repeated warnings from my myself and his mom to use a condom). His first job was at a a fast food place, and he got it specifically to pay child support. He was a reliable worker and gave the mother of his child everything except what he needed for gas to get to work (he lived at home with his mom, so he had no living expenses of his own), but ran into trouble when the county started demanding he pay more child support than he actually made. I'm not sure how they came up with the number they did, but I suspect it was based on his tax return, only he wasn't a salaried worker, he was hourly and his hours were subject to change. Anyway, a person should not be forced to pay what they don't even make, or punished for their inability to pay. Those men have valid gripes about the system. However the guys who simply don't like the idea of giving money to their ex, or are pained to see a large chunk of their paycheck leave them to support their own children, seem to do a disproportionate amount of the griping about this.
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webherring He divorced her for a 25 year old model. I think he will be getting enough sex. I don't know the marriage laws in the jurisdiction in which the divorce is taking place. Where I am, each spouse gets 50% of what was brought into the marriage, and the custodial parent get's child support and possibly alimony. There is logic behind alimony. I'll illustrate is using myself as an example. I'm career oriented and single, but if I were to marry, and be a home maker, I would be forgoing the ability to build an income earning career, to dedicate my time to caring for my husband, children, and the household. After however many years of marriage, if we were to divorce, he has probably been in the work force all of that time, and does not lose his ability to bring in an income. However I as the care giver, would be left up the creek without a paddle, an older person with minimal or no work experience, who has been out of the work force for x number of years, and probably am not going to be able to make enough to support myself. So why would I take such a risk? Would you? The purpose of alimony was to offset that risk so women (at the time), and their parents, would be more agreeable to the marriage and know that she wouldn't be left destitute if the marriage fails.
Other cultures tackle this issue in different ways. In some cultures, a woman's family must pay a dowry before their daughter is married. For the average Indian this could amount to the equivalent cost of a car or house, and this is why daughters are viewed as burdensome. Imagine if you had to come up with $200,000 to marry your daughter off. Then imagine you had 4 daughters. Theoretically the husband's family holds on to the dowry and must return it in a divorce so your daughter will not be impoverished, but this can be troublesome when it was cash.
In many tribal culture, the dowry is in the form of cattle, and is easier to return/get back, because they are usually kept around for milk, and produce offspring.
In Islam, they have mahr, or a dower in English. This is an amount agreed upon in the marriage contract that, that the husband or the husband's father agrees to pay the wife in the event of a divorce.
In the US, we also have marriage contracts, but since they are built in contracts in the form of marriage and divorce laws, not enough people seem to be aware of them until they decide to get divorced.
Personally I'm not a big fan of divorce. It's warranted for instance of abuse or infidelity, or infertility, but that aside, I think it's best in the long run for couples to make a mutual effort to keep their marriage together. I see a lot people who don't make the effort, and I'm sorry to say that most of these people seem to be men. That always perplexes me being the fact that divorce is a huge financial burden to most of these men, as they tend to be the wage earners, and I think men take a bigger emotional hit regardless. But in my observation, they tend to avoid addressing the problems in the marriage, even when they know the marriage is dying because of it. I'm not saying all men, just a lot of men. They will exhibit avoidance behavior, whether that is with video games, work, or affairs. I think this is because they might think they don't have as much power in the marriage as they actually do. There's a horrible myth that men are poor communicators, but most men communicate just fine at the office and on job sites. A marriage, like an office, needs structure, and protocols, and board meetings, and too many people go into them thinking love alone is enough.
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***** As I expressed in my previous comments, I do not believe the standard of living of the middle class is as high as it should be. I acknowledge many middle class individuals are struggling to be what middle class once was. Concerning welfare fraud, it's not as widespread as people think. People like to envision the image Reagan painted for them...some lady with too many kids, driving a cadillac with gold rims and living in free housing with a big screen TV and living it up while the free things roll in, but that's not the reality of most people on welfare. Most people on welfare are likely wondering how they are going to survive for the remaining 2 to 3 weeks in the month. When welfare came in paper "stamps", the most common "fraud" was people selling the stamps for cash to buy things they couldn't buy with stamps, such as personal hygiene products, laundry detergent, and the likes...for some I'm sure cigarettes or alcohol or lotto tickets, but that's a long way from a cadillac. Another form of welfare "fraud" you might find among those polygamous mormon cults. I haven't confirmed this, but I've heard that to support their large families, many of these polygamous families rely on welfare. Since only one wife is the legal wife, the others decline to list the father of their children, and then apply as single mothers for welfare. Because the father is unlisted, the state can't go after the father for reimbursement.
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+Ray Ramirez If you need help, maybe you are not actually middle class? Let's be honest, whatever the poverty line is in this country, it's probably too low. Once upon a time, middle class meant that you could meet your basic living expenses, had some expendable income on top of that, could save for retirement, and put at least one kid through college. What we consider middle class today....a pay check or three away from homelessness, no appreciable savings, and the kid better get a lot of grants and scholarships and loans or college isn't happening, was low class a few decades ago. Anyway though, regardless, if you found yourself in the same situation as those who qualify for assistance, you would also qualify for assistance.
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John D Internet dating is like window shopping. Everyone likes to gawk at and inquire about things they want and can't have, marketed by retailers who try to make the things look better than they actually are. It's a fantasy land that isn't good for anything except for confirming that a man would like a super model if he could have one, and a woman would like a rich guy if she could have one. The number one predictor of whether or not two people will hook up, is their general physical proximity. Famous people tend to date famous people because said famous people typically meet at a "Hollywood" party or through mutual social connections. It's not any different with business executives. The primary reason it might turn out that most female CEOs who are married to male CEOs have spouses who are more successful than themselves, is likely due to the fact that male CEOs tend to be more successful than female CEOs in general.
When career minded men look for wives to be home makers, they tend to want someone pretty, but they still tend to want her to be educated. It's not much different when career minded women look for husbands to be home makers. But there is one caveat and it's not how much he made before she met him. It's how much he aspired for before she met him. It's the difference between the guy making $8 an hour at McDonald's who is doing noting else with his, life, and the guy who makes $8 per hour at McDonald's but is also writing a book, or is an aspiring actor, or spends every night planning the ice cream shop he wants to open some day. It's not about wanting a guy with money to these women. It's about wanting a guy who has the capacity to be creative and ambitious. I guess the male equivalent would be wanting a woman who's fun.
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John D There are valid men's right's issues such as men being held responsible for child support for children that are not theirs, and men being jailed for not being able to meet their child support payments due to lack of employment. A lack of resources for men who are the victims of domestic violence, and so on, and quite frankly sir, when you try to pass the things off you have mentioned, as valid men's rights issues, you make a joke out of an otherwise valid movement. I will illustrate why.
1. "Women and children first!" is only a saying. The fact of the matter is, on sinking ships, people panic, and it's the men who are far more likely to get off than the women and children. There is no chivalry on a sinking ship.
2. There is no draft, only a selective service registry. So you sound silly when you bring it up. I do understand though, that you feel vulnerable by this because congress could just up at any time and decide to re-instate the draft and send you to your death for seemingly arbitrary reasons. To that end, I can't say I agree with such a thing.
3. You don't get pigeon holed into being a provider. If you would rather be a home maker, then say so. You are prime pickings for tons of career minded women. Women actually find a guy who will cook and clean sexy. If I were in the market, I would love a guy who took care of the house and domestic responsibilities. Not all women are cut out for being home makers.
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***** Maybe I've been on the internet too long but I don't see where he starts being nasty. Impassioned, yes, but not nasty, unless I've missed something. Yes, you have a right to refuse, but you resorted to tactics, possibly subconsciously, that are meant to shame and defame, and as there is not a word for them in the English language (a common problem when trying to call out bullying) I will simply highlight what you did. When Paul suggested you talk face to face, you could have said "No" or "I'm not interested" or "I prefer text" but you said "Okay...." When "okay" doesn't mean yes, or "well then" it is used as a sarcasm, and sarcasm is a form of passive aggressiveness often intended to shame or humiliate the receiver.
You later state "You creeped me out with your "offer." It's like asking for my mobile phone number. Are you that desperate? Men only want to have contact with a woman for a reason. They want "something". Scary."
Maybe he did creep you out...what you consider creepy or not isn't for me to dictate. You decide that based on your own experiences and perceptions. But then you launch attack #2. You accuse if of being "desperate" and accuse him, via implication, that he only wants sex from you. That constitutes a defamation of character.
Then you proceed to laugh at him (attempted invalidation, though admittedly common on the internet), and end the conversation in a manner reminiscent of a teenaged girl.
You asked if I was male or female. I am a FEMALE with Asperger's Syndrome. I have two sisters. I have been a life long witness, and occasional target of the very same type of aggression you have just subjected Paul to....passive aggressiveness, ostracization, hostile invalidation, attempts to humiliate, and character defamation. It's wrong, and in the name of all that's fair and just, I'm calling you out on it.
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1. Post pubescent boys are stronger and faster than girls. If you weren't, you would likely have some type of health condition. If you have twice the muscle mass of a girl, whatever is hard for you to lift, half of that weight is just as hard for a girl to lift.
2. Maybe the teachers do like the girls better. I don't know. But if it's so, could it be because the girls mind better and don't cause as many problems?
3. In most careers, girls actually don't get picked over guys. It's the other way around. A less qualified man is more likely to get a position than a more qualified woman, because society, in general, views men as more competent.
4. I don't believe anyone should hit anyone, but I do believe a person has a right to defend themselves from physical harm. That being said, if you have the option to flee, flee. If you have the option to restrain, then restrain. You should only hit when you cannot effectively flee or restrain, and when you hit someone, it's not like in the movies. A teenaged boy, or man can easily kill someone with a blow to the head or face, particularly when a man hits a woman or older individual. Remember, anyone can throw a punch but not everyone can restrain someone. "With great power comes great responsibility".
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Paul Johnson I agree with most of your statement. I don't have a problem with the notion of men having intrinsic value as human beings....I never thought they didn't. I've never been of the opinion that a man needs a woman to be worth something, and I don't have a problem with MGTOW to the extent of it serving as a platform for men to recognize their intrinsic value, be their own person, and grow as people. We don't have a problem with women doing their own thing? Why should we have a problem with men doing their own thing? A note on Nicola Tesla. When pressed on the matter, he would sometimes refer to he changing behaviors and perceptions of women concerning their place in society, as a reason for his solitary life. However, he very likely was on the autistic spectrum, or had juvenile onset schizophrenia. He most certainly had untreated OCD. Any one of these things would have made it difficult for him to have a relationship, and none of these things would he have easily been able to explain to society, because the terms and words did not yet exist for him to do so. He would occasionally try to explain...he experienced what we would now call hallucinations. He heard voices and saw flashes of light, and had running trains of thoughts. He was severely germophobic, and could not easily tolerate anyone in his living quarters. He was certainly a great man, but as is common in profound geniuses, the trade off for his genius was poor mental health, which probably impacted his day to day life and social relations more than most people know. I would suspect that was the reason for his solitary life more than the reason he is perceived to have eluded to.
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Paul Johnson I've never said men's contributions weren't significant......when I was younger I probably would have thought the same as you, assigning infrastructure, knowledge, and technology to be of greater importance than care giving, and home making, and interpersonal bonds. I have Asperger's Syndrome and I've historically been more of a machine and animal person than a people person. But as I've made more efforts to develop socially, I've been forced to closer examine the nature of humanity and ask what is really important to human beings. I came to realize that when you take away all of the technology, and infrastructure, you are left with human beings, and their family units, and their relations. I believe unhappiness is so common in modern societies because they are socially deficient and rife with isolation. At the end of the day, we put ourselves in boxes by ourselves...how strange is that? I'm sitting in my box by myself and my neighbor is sitting in his box by himself, and the person who has lived 20 feet away from me for 7 years, who I have never met, is sitting in their box by themselves....how strange is that? This is not the type of environment humans evolved in.
Even when we are surrounded by people, we can be alone in this strange society. We can be surrounded by thousands of people, not know a single one of them, and be alone. Humans are so much social beings, that human brains do not develop properly in the absence of social interaction, we can use isolation as a form of torture, and elderly individuals who have limited social interactions have much higher rates of mortality and dementia than elderly individuals who are socially active. So I have been forced to acknowledge that the most important thing to humans is actually other humans, and ideally, when you come home at the end of the day from building bridges or roads, there should be another human waiting for you, to provide you with that warmth and care, and social interaction that you need. It doesn't have to be a woman, it could be a friend or a roommate. But in most instances, for most men, it was a woman for 18 years of their life, and it still is a woman who does this.
I think men tend to overlook this because we, as a species, have evolved to prioretize things most relevant to our responsibilities. If you have ever read "Brave New World", each rank of person Alpha, Beta, Delta.....Epsilon, were all made to think that their role in society was the most important so they would be content in them and do them, when, in reality, for the society to function, all roles were equally important.
Men, in general, make and build. This is how they have evolved, so apparently this is important. Women, in general, care for and socialize. This is how they evolved so apparently this is important. And apparently these things are so important that each tends to think their role is the most important. What a clever thing nature is.
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Jeff Huston I did not mean to imply that men made no contributions to Himba society...they do, and the women value those contributions greatly. But it is a largely matriarchal society and I think one of the best approximations of how a society of only women would be. I believe it's testosterone that provokes men to be action takers. Genetic males with complete androgen insensitivity disorder (who are not able to respond to androgens) grow up to be externally physically, and behaviorally identical to females. I did not omit the benefits that men provide to women and children. We had just arrived at that point in our conversation yet. And now here we are. In human society, of course men are just as much a valuable part of the equation as women are. As we agreed upon previously, it's men who are largely responsible for the infrastructure on which our civilizations are based.
They protect and provide. They spend most of their life away form their family, working at tasks they would probably rather not be doing so often, with just a photo on their desk or in their wallet to remind them why they are doing it. They make great sacrafices for both women, and human children, some of the most resource intensive offspring on the planet, and they take huge risks, that have ultimately...at least to this point in time, have served to make humans one of the most survival successful species on the planet. I fully and officially acknowledge the importance of men to human societies and the human species. It would just be nice if more men acknowledged the equal importance of the contributions of women....or the contributions of women at all.
Anyway Mr. Huston, it is rare that I come upon someone on the internet who is such a pleasure to converse with as you have been. It is nice to know that there are still others out there who are willing to have such respectful conversations on matters. You have restored my faith in humanity.
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Jeff Huston If by societal infrastructure, you mean things such as roads, buildings, corporations, and militaries, I agree. Men are magnificent in that respect. But let us not overlook the contributions that women have historically made. We too often sum them up with the word "domestic work" or brush over them, or take them for granted, or fail to acknowledge them entirely. If men are the hands and head of humanity then women are the feet and heart. It was likely a woman who taught you language and compassion. It was likely a woman who held you steady as you stood on your feet for the first time. It was likely a woman who first instilled i you right and wrong, and nurtured your emotional and social development with the care, comfort, and kindness you needed to become a decent, functional human being. They took the time to prepare your food so you could eat, and wash you and your clothes and your dwelling to keep you clean and healthy, and they did these things 24/7 without a break. Women often formed the spiritual basis of many pre-judeochristian cultures, and are intergral in building and maintain important social bonds.
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