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Comments by "Neil of Longbeck" (@neiloflongbeck5705) on "Who saved Hitler? The Munich Crisis & The Oster Conspiracy 1938" video.
No squadrons operational with Sptifires (first examples came into service in August 1938 with 19 Squadron). The crappy tanks as used in 1940, but fewer of them. Result would be similar to 1914, if we were lucky.
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@2ndTimPlayground not with the fragile French governments of the mid-1930s.
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@pavliksin123 whilst the Bf109 had been in service for around 18 months and had been used in combat over Spain, I agree that Getnany wasn't ready either (they weren't really ready in 1939), which is why I think it would have been a repeat of 1914.
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@tomfu6210 and nobody ever talks about the bits of Czechoslovakia that Poland and Hungary took either.
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@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623 you seem to overlooking the fact that the British army based in the UK was much smaller than the French ķarmy based in France. The first portion of the BEF left Portsmouth on 4th September 1939 and by 27th Deptember 1939 152,000 men were in France along with21,400 vehicles, 36,000 tons of ammunition, 25,000 tons if petrol, and 60,000 tons of frozen meat. Between January and April 1940 8 TA Divisions were also landed after completing large formation training in the UK.
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@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623 a third of the total British deployment delivered to France in 3 weeks, and that was just the Army's contingent. And it used radios. Maybe nit as many as the Germans but certainly more than the French did. The only radio in Gamelin's was fine if you wanted to listen to the BBC or Radio Luxembourg. He had to issue orders over the civilian telephone system. The British Army in Europe may have been small, and it was certainly smaller than that which had sailed to France in 1914, but it was highly trained and reasonably armed. It was let down by the French command and control system and the crap plans drawn up by Gamelin.
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@robertcbarry potentially doesn't mean that they would. It is equally potential that the interference of foreign governments in the inter al affairs of Germmany could have had the opposite effect.
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@robertcbarry there's a big contraction in your last post. How could Chamberlain go against all advice if he was listening g to the people of Britain, who were primarily anti-war? I also don't believe that the conspirators had full control of the units they claimed. Just look at what happen on the Storozhevoy when its Commissar, Sablin, lead a mutiny and tried to sail the frigate to Sweden. Not all of the crew were on his side. One escaped and raised the alarm in the port before they sailed and several others freed the Captain whilst at sea. The Beer Hall Putsch failed after Ludendorf released von Kahr. Not that I'm saying such would have happened, but they could of happened.
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@2ndTimPlayground it's not working in Israel is it? All it causes it revenge attacks. The occupation of the Ruhr by the French and Belgians when Germany defaulted on its reparation payments bred more resentment of France than anything useful.
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@Tian Wong 500 years earlier we had just concluded the Hundred Years War against France, which had 2 main aims to restore the Angevin Empire and to allow the grandson of Philip IV (and his descendants) to hold the crown of France. In this we had the support, for a while, of the biggest power block in Europe at the time the Holy Roman Empire, whilst France was officially only a small territory surrounding Paris. The real power of the French Kings was the vassalage of the local Lords, some of whom were also vassal of the English Kings at the same time.
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From 1937 Lord Woolton, he was elevated to the peerage in 1939 (as unalligned peer), was involved in many secret war preparation committees and worked senior civil servants, such as Sir Horace Wilson (who advised Stanley Bsldwin) and Sur Warren Fisher (Permanent Secretary to the Treasury and Head of the home Civil Service. From May 1939 he was an honoury advise to Secretary of State for War, Leslie Hore-Belisha, and was responsible for ensuring sufficient uniforms would be available in case if war. Iin April 1940 was appointed as the Minister of Food (the Woolton Pie is named after him). In the same year he was made a Privy Councillor. So, his carpeting in 1938 by the government wasn't a serious sanction; it was only done as a matter of form. The government had to show the Germans that they were serious about maintaining good relationships with their country and not draw attention to the more covert aspects of war preparation. Really expect better from you TIK. Took me all of 10 minutes to find these details and draw my quick and dirty conclusions of the information readily to hand from the Oxford Dictionary of National Biographies which is run by Oxford University Press. After the war he joined the Conservatives (on the day after Churchill's defeat was announced) and quickly became party chairman and oversaw party reforms which git them back into power in 1951, after which he was in the Cabinet for 4 years. He died in 1964 as the Earl of Woolton.
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@dejjal8683 easy. The PM is the leader of the party that gains the most seats in a General Election, or if the change of leadership occurs during the term of the Parliament the leader if the largest party in Parliament. When Baldwin resigned after the Coronation of George VI, he advised the King to call for Chamberlain.
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@tomfu6210 the border fortresses were no longer relevant as many of them were lost with the the Sudeten. Numbers are less important than many people think. One man can hold off a thousand in a narrow passage of ge has the will to fight. The French and British had more tanks than the Germans, but had failed to learn how to use them effectively. The days if the close blockade were over. Billy Mitchell had shown that air power was a danger to warships and got court martialed for it, and the previous conflict had shown just how vulnerable warships were to the submarine.
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@stevewatson6839 what exactly could he do as Gamelin's subordinate? Apart from ensuring all units under his command were aware of their role in Gamelin's great plan. A plan that involved the Belgians preparing positions for the French and British, which when push came to shove were either not started or already occupied by the Belgians (who didn't want us on their territory before being invited - the Belgian Ambassador to the Court of St James made an official complaint on the day the Gernans invaded Belgian that British troops had entered his country without being invited).
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@stevewatson6839 you should be on the stage, you're a real comedian. He did prepare The BEF for action. But as they were intended to move into Belgium there was little he could do until the Belgians invited them to enter. The Belgians having played the neutrality card to avoid a repeat of 1914, not that it helped them. As for Arras, that attack was ordered by Gamelin, who was fired before the attack commenced and IIRC both attacks were cancelled by his replacement only for the order for the orders to be reinstated giving the Germans about 48 hiyes if respite. The problem with Gamelin's plan was it left the Belgians out in the breeze and King Leopold told Gort his army would not be able to hold out if the BEF went south as ordered. Gort attacked with what he had, but the only half decent tank was the Mathilda II, and that's stretching half decent to breaking point, and there were only 16 of them. The French command structure meant some units had 2 chains of command. How, all knowing Oracle that you are, is a foreign subordinate going to sort that mess out?
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@2ndTimPlayground but you still espoused that Britsin and Frande should have invaded Gernany in 1935, when the populations of both Britain and France were opposed to war? You can't gave it both ways?
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@dondajulah4168 or another more openly anti-semitic, anti-bolshevik leader from the Nazi Party would have arisen. One with the economic brains that Hitler lacked.
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@dondajulah4168 why would it have to transition to a democratic government? An internecine conflict was just as possible.
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@Tian Wong it ended just over 500 years before WW2. 500 years is the period you stated.
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@Tian Wong reufirces a pointless point. OK, have it your way.
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