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Comments by "rivenoak" (@rivenoak) on "Could modern day German Air Force stop the Allies at D-Day, 1944?" video.
rather the ports first, so the overlord operation would be dead in the water. allied air force activity would lead nowhere without allied boots on the continent on top.
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@truetoffeeefc4life970 it is just my guess: britain would protect London more than Portsmouth or whatever port. let britain sit on the island and just block the transfer of troops. a port strewn with half sunken ships is pretty useless, Overlord postponed or called off even.
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sink them in the ports and D-Day is "dead in the water" literally. you cannot invade without a fleet to land the troops
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tsk tsk :)
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@marsupix3554 same for german icbm heading for NYC, nobody had countermeasures.
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@Ork20111 remember the total amnesia applied to any modern german mentioned in the vid, such loss of memory is a vital part of the scenario :)
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only the planes and tanks available, not the infrastructure.
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all material lost/sunk and troops killed/wounded are still off the table. allies would need to form something out of thin air to compensate those losses.
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leopard2 tanks among the tigers ? modern subs in the channel or even west of england "greeting" the convois ? tsk tsk tsk :)
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if Wernher v. Braun had his way.... yes. but simple nukes on ICBMs would do the trick.
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repeated air raids ?
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with broken supply lines the troops would be stranded.
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General Eisenhower had his letter of defeat prepared: https://www.businessinsider.com/d-day-in-case-of-failure-letter-by-general-eisenhower-2012-6?r=DE&IR=T
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just planes or also air defense like patriot batteries ? my guess: bombing raids would start still, but the loss of half the allied fleet on every raid would end the idea soon-ish. industrial losses would still occur but limited to the more western parts of germany; any incursion into eastern and southern parts would be met with massive defense.
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reconnaissance from ~25000 feet above, then strike. not a snowball's chance in hell London would have been able to hold a candle
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@darnit1944 sorry info for you: the same Wernher von Braun USA captured later was testing ICBM prototypes in Peenemünde. drag out WW2 and then think about who is nuked first and who second. it would mean massacre on both sides and afaik USA had only 3 nukes ready, one for test in Los Alamos and the 2 others used in Japan.
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@darnit1944 http://www.astronautix.com/a/a9a10.html "The A9/A10 was the world's first practical design for a transatlantic ballistic missile." well, what do you call a Ballistic Missile with transatlantic aim of ~5000km radius ? sounds pretty ICBM-ish to me ;) but of course nobody wanted to find out what it could have achieved.
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@darnit1944 a lot of sunny assumptions required, yep. but there is also "The Man in the High Castle" on amazon, much more preposterous than this video here: USA divided between Germany and Japan with just the Rocky Mountains as neutral zone. Binkov would be proud or completely shy away from the plot because it is just to much fiction.... :D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_in_the_High_Castle_(TV_series)
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if we can time travel we can also throw in german aggregat 9+10 and Hitler sat on a vast resource of uranium ore (east germany became 4th largest supplier in the world later). US east coast: say hello to crude ICBM :(
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thus why the "we dont know nothing" parameter in the vid. :)
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in this case not delicate Sidewinders, but something less difficult. and more dumb unguided bombs and loads for the eurofighter cannons. unfair to poke piston engine planes and battleships with that :) as 1944 is far past 1941 and the tactic was known: what if luftwaffe simply executes a 2nd pearl harbour ? nobody sees them coming, they sink the ships in the harbour and done.... forget the air-to-air battle. no allied boots on the continent = naaah, forget it.
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@Ork20111 where to land those US planes ? you may have to rethink air strategy if all your air fields are now north in scotland or wherever. england is not on the table anymore as playground
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@pedrojuan8050 you could repel the invasion twice: once by sinking ships and second by ground troops. whatever survives the transfer over channel is greeted by german army and shore fortifications. for allies: forget it, sail home while you can.
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be glad Hitler never knew he sat on a mountain of uranium ore which made east germany the world's 4th largest supplier in the cold war era. and he opposed aggregat 10/9 program by Wernher von Braun: germany had blueprints for ICBMs. now imagine an ICBM launched every day, some crude nuclear warheads cruising to east coast hitting major cities ? USA never suffered a war at home after the 1860s, how would USA populace react ?
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