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Comments by "ostiariusalpha" (@ostiariusalpha) on ".30 Super Carry: My 7.65 French Long is Back! (feat. S&W Shield Plus)" video.
Actually it would be impossible, the .30SC case is larger enough in diameter to not fit even in a loose 7.65x20mm Longue chamber. Almost as if it was purposely done to keep dumb people from blowing up antique pistols with ammo that was way beyond their pressure rating.
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@smokedbeefandcheese4144 No, he didn't. He said they were baffled by his comparison, because they were unaware of the 7.65mm French, not that they didn't care.
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Honestly, the number of malfunctions that a backup magazine introduces is about the same as you would deal with in a modern higher capacity, single magazine carry. We'd all like to think we're as smooth as butter under stress, but from the number of highly skilled competition shooters I've seen occasionally fumble a magazine change, it's not something you should take for granted. If you can eliminate a mag change, it is actually probably the better way to go.
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@kimmoj2570 That's speculation, though it is interesting that .30 Super Carry is juuust large enough not to chamber in a 7.65x20mm gun.
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That's an incredibly dumb argument. The 5.7x28mm is already a higher pressure cartridge than even a hypothetical +P version of .30 Super Carry would be, and due to it small caliber, it also experiences much higher bore heat flux. Are the 5.7mm barrels getting rapidly worn out all the time? Hell no, they aren't. There are Five-seveN pistols from the 90's still going strong to this day. This idea that .30SC is going to burn out barrels is thoughtless nonsense.
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@Stevie-J Ian is no threat to their business, that's laughably ignorant. They were probably gleeful that he was there, and gave a thumbs up to their product.
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@Followme556 Those guys are also always teaching this clearance drill while wearing tucked shirts and tactical or competition gear. If you're trying that technique while wearing casual clothing from a concealed carry mag pouch, you might not get such great results. Pinky retention of the mag works better if you are not wearing a tactical belt with easy access to the spare mag.
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@joshuab7737 Cartridges do have a habit of only dying out as the people that shoot them do also.
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They were trying to engineer a solution to increase capacity, not playing historian.
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Basically yes.
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@Followme556 Those are unrelated arguments though. With a high capacity magazine you avoid making a magazine change more, which is a good thing. A double feed malfunction forces you to strip the mag out anyways, but you can avoid fumbling under your shirt for a new mag by retaining the mag near the pistol. This isn't that complicated.
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@PassivePortfolios That wear and tear comes from the bolt thrust of the round, and since .30 SC has a smaller diameter case, it's bolt thrust is basically the same as 9mm despite its higher pressure; and certainly much less than .40 S&W.
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@PassivePortfolios Recoil spring life would be far more effected by the physical length of the spring than any difference in bolt thrust between .30 SC and 9mm, for instance. A micro compact pistol has a much short recoil spring life expectancy than does a compact or full sized pistol.
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The case diameter of .32 ACP cartridge makes it possible to squeeze it into a 7.65x20mm French chamber, but the .30 Super Carry's case is actually slightly greater in diameter, so it genuinely won't fit in even a loose 7.65mm French chamber.
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@RavemastaJ You mean just like all that 9mm NATO and +P ammo that will rapidly disassemble the far more common Luger pistol? Federal engineers could very well have purposely designed the .30 SC to not chamber in 7.65mm Longue guns, but their actual liability potential was negligible.
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@calebnation6155 Hornaday is now on board. I wouldn't expect a miraculous drop in cost anytime soon, but .30SC is definitely showing some staying power.
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@Nathan-jh1ho Correct.
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There's nothing wrong with not jumping on some new cartridge's bandwagon, but I wouldn't be too confident about easy access to 9mm either. Every gun panic sends that round on a price and availability roller-coaster.
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@renotsttam Sure, there's nothing wrong with having a backup magazine at all. If you don't have to resort to using it though, how can that be a bad thing?
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@Stevie-J Sorry, I meant to specifically address the argument against a higher capacity magazine versus carrying two lower capacity mags; I should have been much more clear on that. As BatCaveOZ alludes to though, it usually isn't the magazine that fails. How are you confirming that your magazine is the source of the problem? Or are you just habitually swapping mags to "play it safe" instead, and needlessly introducing another point of failure to operating the gun smoothly?
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If 6.8x51mm somehow successfully replaces 5.5.56x45mm entirely for close combat units, then it might be more interesting to apply these ideas directly to the 5.56mm round itself. Since it would be relegated to being used as a PDW round anyway, imagine if you could slim the case diameter down from .377" to .345", and reduce the case length from 1.76" to 1.38". That would improve the cartridge's logistical footprint and make it easier to carry (in smaller, but higher capacity magazines) for the modern, more gender-inclusive support troops; while still performing exactly the same as the original 5.56x45mm thanks to a higher pressure rating.
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Who said they didn't care?
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Oh my god, you guys are all idiots.
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@whatsmolly5741 Your either shamelessly dishonest or utterly ignorant, 6.8x51mm is more powerful than .308/7.62mm at all ranges.
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@slick3129 He was certainly not impressed with the expansion of the Gold Dot ammo he tested, but that seems more like something that you can fix by tweaking the bullet construction a bit (or saving the Gold Dots for a longer barrel, if such a pistol ever comes out). I don't believe he had any HST, and he definitely didn't have any Hornaday rounds on him.
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