Comments by "Alex" (@Alex-cw3rz) on "Naval Warfare Expert Rates 9 Sea Battle Tactics in Movies and TV | How Real Is It? | Insider" video.

One thing Master and Commander does that I have never seen in any other movie, is having sound move slower than light, at the start of the movie the French frigate is seen in the distance and you see the flashes of the cannon and then after a delay you hear the sound. It's also the only movie I've seen that has actors of the right age and diversity (as the navy at the time was actually very diverse), it's the only time I've heard mention the standard practice of loading more than one cannon ball in the gun at a time, having the cannons fly backwards when fired and using the correct terminology throughout the movie.
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Master and Commander is my favourite naval movie, it's so realistic and the soundtrack and sound design is brilliant
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@jamesduffy7799 firstly the two you are referring too, one was a powder monkey and the other the cooks assistant, not servants. Secondly in the movie they had a lot of sailors from all over the world if you remember the really big guy who got the chain tattoo, quite a number of other black sailors as well, even some Irish, you should re-watch and you'll see. Technically it was less diverse than the navy in 1805 as a totality but that doesn't matter as we are talking about one ship.
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@Carla-jd1ub GhostEye31 got it in one, often midshipman are played by older people and I've never seen powder monkey's in any other movie. Also something I forgot to mention was the diversity in the film is spot on, the crews were extremely diverse back then.
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7:51 one of the other problems from this scene from Worlds end, is that Becketts ship still has the advantage, due to the fact it has more cannon per side and will have larger calibre guns on it's lowest gun deck and the one above as well. The Flying Dutchman is based off the Black Pearl (as in for the movie sets, not lore) which is partially based on the Queen Anne's revenge which had 9 pounder cannon with 40 guns each. HMS Endeavour of 100 guns+ would have 32 pounders on it's gun deck 18 pounders on it's middle and 9 pounders on it's upper deck.
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@ahistoryrelic9736 oh I love hornblower as well! The only time it ever falters in accuracy is budget, which is understandable being a TV Show.
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@Johnny-rx4hs I never knew of her story! Had a little look and there is one website which has an incomplete list of over 60 Cross dressing women in the navy. There is also Ann Perriam who fought at the Battle of St Vincent in 1797 and at the Battle of the Nile in 1798. Mary Ann Riley and Anne Hopping at the Battle of the Nile as well. These three didn't actually cross dress, they were just working on the ship or husband to someone on the ship, so during Battle fought alongside the men.
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Totally agree, there should have been more, it's not like there weren't anymore books to base it off
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@churblefurbles I think you need to seek help.
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@ono446 I'd agree on sound design and of course the soundtrack, although as we probably both know it's not particularly realistic
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@d7588 ducks
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@GiulianoM14 well the black pearl isn't immortal, the Flying Dutchman can still be made inoperable, we see the Black Pearl knockout cannon and crew and no the Flying Dutchman does not have the most powerful guns in the world that's established nowhere, you can see the calibre is the same as the Black Pearl. The Black Pearl, who's cannons didn't match the Dauntless. The Black Pearl is only supernatural when it had the curse of Cortez on it's crew and that was never to do with sailing into the wind and even if the ships are supernatural and can still sail which ever way they want, the sails should still have been flat/being pushed backwards.
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@Soulsphere001 ah but it's a movie that came out when they were children and weren't thinking about how many people of different races they could see, so this will be considered one of the good ones.
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@GAdmThrawn Beckett was not a politican, he was an employee of the British East India Company. But I agree the Captain should have been in charge, not sure why they were even waiting for Beckett to tell them to do something.
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No that's a French flag, the Dutch flags stripes are horizontal, the painting is of the exact event he is talking about, that is the French warship Droits de l'Homm and in the background is HMS Indefatigable commanded by Sir Edward Pellew and HMS Amazon
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@JoshuaTootell well when I mean young I'm talking 12 years old and some younger
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@trooperdgb9722 well modern firearms have rifling and tight tolerances which builds huge amounts of pressure, we are talking less here and seen as double and triple shoting was standard practice the barrels will have been designed for those tolerances... Canonades sometimes were filled to the end of the barrel with shot, for short range engaments. Look at the ones that blow up, it's due to being below standard or barrels that became too hot, not pressure of shot
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@jimsmith997 it's obvious you don't understand what a politican is you said a Lord is one 🤦‍♂️, also the fact it has taken you this long to realise what the conversation was about is utterly embarrassing. It is impossible for Beckett to be an MP as he already has a job with EIC therefore he can't be an MP, come on Jim we've been over this fact mutiple times. Now repeat after me you cannot have a full time job on a different continent and be an MP. Right so you are just outright lying now, I thought it was ignorance but you are just lying, no by defintion of the word Lord is not a politicians, because you need to be seeking or in an elected office to be a politican, Lords are not elected, you got it yet? The irony of your last sentence is palpable, but I think the fact you are starting to just lie now Jim, means you know I'm correct but you'll string out the conversation. All because you have a juvunile aversion to being taught something when you are proved wrong. P.s. I do not believe you are reading my comments, due to the amount of times I have to say something to enter your brain. So the code word is cheese, if you don't say it you've proved, how dishonest you are.
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@jimsmith997 how am I a troll, most trolls don't ask you to be honest... I'm glad you actually read my comment, it is a bit of a shame you still ignored some it. For example right at the start you had to ignore the fact he is on a different continent... one of the most important reasons he is not an MP, the fact you ignore this, shows how dishonest you are being, because if you did acknowledge it, it would debunk what you said. The fact not one person in two movies said he was a politican, also shows what a fool you are making out of yourself. "Nor at this point, had political parties fully developed" this is just factually incorrect, why you'd lie like this I don't know, I understand you are out of your depth, but to lie like this is very silly. Your entire next paragraph is just a big obfuscation with factually incorrect statements sprinkled in, you claim people would use the word politician differently back then, which by your made up defintion means they'd have call the king and civil servants, advisors etc politicans... So go on, find me one mention of someone in the house of Lords at the time the quote was made, being called a politician at the time (so not they were a politician for example)... Come on give one source, this is going to be beautiful are you going to ignore this or run away, I wonder. Judging by your past dishonesty, you are going to ignore it. "What qualifications do you have" Ah is this going to be an attempt at an appeal to authority, due to you losing the argument.
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@sethhowerton1489 what's your obsession with talking about Saving Private Ryan? You've mentioned it in mutiple threads on a video about 18th century naval warefare
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@jimsmith997 How many times am I going to have to tell you this you cannot be in the house of Lords and be a politican as politicians are in the house of commons as they are elected, you cannot be in both at the same time, you can be one at one time, one at the other, but not at the same time. This isn't speculating on Becketts life this is basics of how the parliament works. It was some other person who claimed Beckett was a politican, which obviously he can't be he's got a job already with the East India Company and is stationed on a different continent, then they also like you have confused the title of Lord as meaning politician, which it just doesn't. Lord Liverpool was in the commons and then afterwards entered the house of lords, Duke of Wellington was in the house of Lords after, being a politician do you see, and there are tons of Earls of Mornington so being more specific would be helpful. Again Politicians are in the house of commons and Lords are in the upper house.
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@jimsmith997 no everything I said is correct. Lords are defintionally not politicians, politicians are elected, Lords are not. The mandate of the house of Lords from the 18th century has not change to now. And Beckett most likely won't have been a politician.
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@jimsmith997 Just to preface this you failed on the only task I sent you on, so well done you've proved nobody back then used politican in the wrong way you are using it. Just a little piece of advice there is no need to write when you have nothing to say. Please take it to heart your rambling gish gallops are not just boring but insufferable in the way they obfuscate the conversation and consistently tell falsehoods. Now back to your inane comment, that's why I said civil servant not civil service... read what I write. They were considered political parties at the time and were well formed. The defintion of a politician is not whether they are heavily involved in governance, how are you this uneducated on a simple concept, as again that would mean the kings and advisors were politicans too, the defintion of politican is that they are elected or seek election in the government, something lord and kings don't do. It doesn't make it unlikely he was not an MP it makes it impossible, just admit it, MP's being sent abroad is, totally different than my other job sent me abroad nothing to do with the government. The fact you had the gall to try and slip that past me is a testament to how dishonest you are. And your last sentence shows you are working off a defintion of politican that is from a different dimension, just admit it. As this is getting very tedious debunking everything you say, your comment are you agreeing with everything I say and then saying but maybe he was a politician, not just do you look foolish, you look stupid.
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@MichaelAlthauser yep a 1,908 pound broadside weight, whereas the other two combined top out at 480 - 600 pounds in broadside weight, as their gun deck of 20 guns were 9 pounders and their quarter deck and forecastle between 10 and 20 guns of 6 pounds each.
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@Granza90 what a wonderfully true voice C G possesses
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@jimsmith997 no you've misunderstood, being in the house of Lords means he is not a polictican, they review policy, just like consultants, Civil Service, urban planners etc. Who are also not politicians but (especially in the case of the civil service) are politically influential. (Also the Lords job is exactly the same now as it was in the 18th century, so not sure what you mean by " they were still an important polictical force" as they still are now) So just to recap being in the house of Lords means he is not a polictican at that point, do you understand? It's less likely he'd be a politican, as most employees in the British East India Company even at this level were not politicians, but it's possible, just like now if you'd be poetically advantageous for them, you are sort of garentueed a job
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@trooperdgb9722 no it was exceptionally common triple shotting was as well. It didn't put strain on the guns as it was the same amount of powder. I actually here it more in real accounts than in movies and books that is why I mentioned it.
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@GAdmThrawn Lords are not politicians, it's an appointed role, it's a peerage. Edit : yes even though they review policy they not politicians just like the civil service.
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@sethhowerton1489 firstly calm Down, the point was you wrote about a irrelevant movie to the topic of this video twice, in comment threads that had even less to do with Saving Private Ryan than the video.
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@jimsmith997 well yes you are a politican if you are trying to become an MP, that is correct you don't have to be elected, just trying to be elected, however that is the same then as now. And you can't become an MP if you are in the house of Lords, I have told you this mutiple times. Just because they had more powers back then doesn't make them suddenly politicians. Well done, for proving my point, Lord Liverpool had an inherited peerage, the fact he was a lord was nothing to do with him being a politican, get it yet? Just to preface this I physically face palmed at your sentence it was that silly and I'm being kind here, Beckett can't be a politican for the very simple fact he already has a full time job, the fact he is a lord indicates he is in the house of Lords therefore even more not a politician. It does preckude you from being a politican if you are in the house of Lords, have you not been listening? The fact you are still going on a topic, it's obvious you are way out of your depth in is getting very tedious now.
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@jimsmith997 TL;DR Bekett has a job already in a different continent, MP's are not allowed another job. Do you understand yet?
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@trooperdgb9722 what are you talking about in the movie there is a 30 year old midshipman, you are complaining about something portrayed in the movie.
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@ddawis they did and they had mutiple powder monkey's in the movie, 1 had a speaking roll as well
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@jimsmith997 Again you ramble on and on saying nothing, is that your aim, to just waste my time? I said get me a quote listen to what I said. Right you are really showing what a dishonest little weasel you are now, I said 10 comments ago that you can be a politican before being on the house of Lords but you are not a policitian while in the house of Lords, how many times do I have to say this before either enters your thick skull or you finally admit that you were wrong. As I said before your juvinile nature to never admit when you are corrected is a real deficiency you have. You need to sort that out. And your last sentence again is incorrect, seen as you never actually take in when I explain anything to you there is no point going over, your lack of comprehension of the topic, just do one google search before making yourself look foolish. P.s. instead of running away from your failures can you at least admit when you constantly get things wrong, as it's very tedious having to constantly reply to your goalpost shifts.
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@jimsmith997 you have now revealed how little you understand of this topic. I don't know if I should continue with you when you are this out of your depth. The dilusional idea politics happens less the less democratic a country is 🤦‍♂️ I have no words. And then your last sentence gets even dumber, as I have to constantly try and drill into your head the simple fact politicians are people seeking or have been elected. The entire point the word got invented was to identify people who were promoting their party interests, its why the entire point of the word is negative. Someone in the house of Lords cannot promote there party as they not in one. Got it yet?
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@jimsmith997 they were not in the house of Lords at the same time as being prime minister... Have you not been listening to anything I've written. The term politician did not get created at the big bang, please just think for two seconds before writing something. The term only apeared after political parties became a thing. It is not merely the word that describes someone involved in politics, again this shows how little you understand of the topic or have listened, by your defintion it mean reporters would be politicians...
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@preachergallow394 but he's not the commander, the captain is, Beckett has no understanding of sailing or cannon use. So he'd have no sway over what commands the captain gives as he is a guest on the captains ship.
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@Trepur349 I would be interested what you thought the range was?
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@firestorm165 the French in that are Privateers, so almost pirates as well
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@user-uy1rg8td1v it has some when they were in Brazil
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@Dead25m the point was he wrote about an irrelevant movie to the topic of this video twice, in comment threads that had even less to do with Saving Private Ryan than the video.
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@redrick8900 half being the operative word
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@michelemagnetti4967 it looks nothing like Vasa, the Vasa had two full gun decks the Fly Dutchman has one.
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@jimsmith997 wow looking at my comment it's fascinating coming back to it, to see someone as mesmerising stu pid as yourself. Hopefully you have matured since the last time we spoke, guess your probably 11 and half now. So the Marquess of Salisbury inherited that title, he was not prime minister in the commons as well as in the house of Lords. See in the UK that would be like in your country of the US having someone in the House and senate at the same time. He was one then the other. Not just that he wasn't working with the East India Company at the same time as again you won't know this being completely ignorant on the basics of British politics. But an MP cannot have another job. Now run away kid, it was funny coming back and seeing what a snivelling simpleton I had to talk to 11 months ago.
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@jimsmith997 Just wanted to remind you of your emb arrassing comments, are you ashamed of them now?
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