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@nonameslb - HUSH! Don't even talk about it. Chomsky is a unique and singularly stupendous intellect whose passing will leave a huge hole in the world. But there are other brilliant and learned minds that understand what he and Zinn (and like you say, so many more greats who have come before and moved on) have talked and written about, and at least their voices will continue to remind us of them in the years we have left.
Not trying to equate anyone with Chomsky, but I think of Chris Hedges and cheer for his voice. And I see my brothers and sisters in his audiences and know that at least I am not alone in these painful days. But we are all at the end of an age. Too much is changing too quickly across a the spectrum of our global collective existence and we're all interconnected in ways we have never been before. I suspect we're all going to loose a hell of a lot, if not everything, all too soon. Historically, frightened groups of people tend to do stupid and terrible things. And when they can rally around a central idolized figure, especially a narcissistic, con-man, who really knows how to work up a crowd, I really don't know. Check back with me in two years and let's see how the things have gone - if you still can.
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This again? FFS -
"In order to determine its origins, we reached out to a number of experts at the Orwell Society — whose patron is Richard Blair, Orwell’s adopted son — and The Orwell Foundation, which brings together Orwell scholars and awards the Orwell Prizes. Representatives of both organizations said that this quote could not be attributed to Orwell.
A cursory internet search indicates Newsweek claimed Orwell wrote the statement in the 1940s. The quote was attributed to a collection of Orwell’s essays in “The Collected Essays, Journalism and Letters of George Orwell: As I please, 1943-1945.” But we were unable to find the quote in an archived version of the book online.
Leslie Hurst, a trustee of the Orwell Society, told us that this was not an Orwell quote, as it could not be found in his “Complete Works” collection. He believes the line was loosely copied from a sentence about fascism (not elections) from an Orwell essay titled “Rudyard Kipling“:
Whoever coined this phrase seems to have copied the construction of a sentence from George Orwell’s 1942 essay “Rudyard Kipling”: “Those who now call themselves Conservatives are either Liberals, Fascists or the accomplices of Fascists,” which suggests a certain intelligence and knowledge of Orwell’s work, but while the statement “A people that elect […]” may be true it does a disservice to attribute it to Orwell.
Benedict Cooper, publicity officer for the society who had most of the Orwell library digitized on his computer, also could not find the above quote in the collection.
Hurst also pointed us to Wikiquote, which he said “is very good with misattributed Orwell quotations,” but the above quote was not listed there.
We also reached out to a number of academics, and we will update this post if we receive new information.
Given that expert institutions associated with Orwell’s work have not heard of this quote, we rate this claim as “False.”
Nur Ibrahim
Published 30 November 2020"
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Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story--
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Sam : [coughs] Get outta here, Dewey!
Dewey Cox : What are y'all doin' in here?
Sam : We're smoking reefer and you don't want no part of this shit.
Dewey Cox : You're smoking *reefers*?
Sam : Yeah, 'course we are; can't you smell it?
Dewey Cox : [Dewey doesn't have a sense of smell] No, Sam. I can't.
Reefer Girl : Come on, Dewey! Join the party!
[takes a hit off a joint]
Sam : No, Dewey, you don't want this. Get outta here!
Dewey Cox : You know what, I don't want no hangover. I can't get no hangover.
Sam : It doesn't give you a hangover!
Dewey Cox : Wha-I get addicted to it or something?
Sam : It's not habit-forming!
Dewey Cox : Oh, okay... well, I don't know... I don't want to overdose on it.
Sam : You can't OD on it!
Dewey Cox : It's not gonna make me wanna have sex, is it?
Sam : It makes sex even better!
Dewey Cox : Sounds kind of expensive.
Sam : It's the cheapest drug there is.
Dewey Cox : [at a loss and out of excuses] Hmm.
Sam : You don't want it!
Dewey Cox : I think I kinda want it.
Sam : Okay, but just this once. Come on in.
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@sheilamacdougal4874 Except Orwell basically recanted that in another paper a few years later in December of 1944 --
"Nobody is searching for the truth, everybody is putting forward a 'case' with complete disregard for fairness or accuracy, and the most plainly obvious facts can be ignored by those who don't want to see them. The same propaganda tricks are to be found almost everywhere. It would take many pages of this paper merely to classify them, but here I draw attention to one very widespread controversial habit – disregard of an opponent's motives. The key-word here is 'objectively'.
We are told that it is only people's objective actions that matter, and their subjective feelings are of no importance. Thus pacifists, by obstructing the war effort, are 'objectively' aiding the Nazis; and therefore the fact that they may be personally hostile to Fascism is irrelevant. I have been guilty of saying this myself more than once.
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This is not only dishonest; it also carries a severe penalty with it. If you disregard people's motives, it becomes much harder to foresee their actions. For there are occasions when even the most misguided person can see the results of what he is doing. Here is a crude but quite possible illustration. A pacifist is working in some job which gives him access to important military information, and is approached by a German secret agent. In those circumstances his subjective feelings do make a difference. If he is subjectively pro-Nazi he will sell his country, and if he isn't, he won't."
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Except that still wouldn't solve the problem that animal rights activists have with using animals as a source of food. I abhor using animals for sport and as weapons, or for testing products and drugs. And I fully agree that we should stop factory farming and that it would be best to only have pasture raised livestock in a regenerative system. But I also think we need to stop with heavily fertilized, mono-culture crop production and I'm not a fan of GMO crops, though we'd probably need to do both to feed all eight billion plus of us if everyone went vegan. Unfortunately none of that solves the problems most vegans have with killing animals for food, and to them I'm as bad for eating a pasture raised egg as someone who fights dogs, puts cosmetics in a bunny rabbits eyes, or enjoys torturing animals. I understand their position - I just don't agree with that level of "it's all bad, man" absolutism. I also know I don't have what it takes to be a vegan and I recognize that most people don't either. It's simply much easier to get all the nutrition I need for a healthy diet by including animals produce in my meals along with vegetables and other starches, fats, and oils. I also miss the presence of meat in my diet pretty quickly form the aesthetics of flavor when I don't eat any for a few days. It's a moral dilemma -- meat is indeed murder. Tasty, tasty murder.
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What I envision is a hybridized system where the useful elements of capitalism such as creativity, innovation and individual exceptionalism can continue to flourish along with the rewards of private ownership of material goods, and intellectual property but not at the expense of the general welfare of the full community. There is an obscene hoarding of wealth, property and resources by a small few and fetishization of material prosperity that capitalism encourages and that a socialized democracy can help mitigate with higher taxes on individual incomes from employment and/or investments of over six figures and the effective elimination of a seven figure or larger accumulation of wealth. With strong unions and reinvestment in improved social welfare programs, everyone except for those few financial hoarders will be improved. And by removing healthcare, access to healthy food, clean water, and basic housing from a for-profit system, everyone in the country will benefit instead of a minority of the population. The answer, as with most things, lies somewhere in the middle.
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@tokiowrld9999 Or New Zealand. But then have you been to North Korea, China, Russia, pretty much any of the -stans, most countries in the middle east, many countries throughout Africa and Mexico, Central and South America. Sorry dude, my list is longer. The US is far from perfect, but there seem to be a lot more people trying to come the the United States, legally and not, than many of the countries on my list. And I'm not sure how open to immigration any of the countries on your list are now that we're a few years into the diaspora of refugees from Iraq, Syria, and other Middle Eastern and North African countries.
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Marijuana has been and continues to be a schedule 1 substance so no legitimate studies have been conducted on any of these substances. Since the Schedule 1 classification indicates that there is no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse and there is a potentially severe psychological or physical dependence, the Establishments intent was to negate the debate and eliminate the need for any pesky facts that might be found to contradict the party line. Since we haven't had any legitimate studies conducted to determine the validity of any of this any "evidence" gained by "research" can only be considered anecdotal which doesn't mean much in regards to legitimate science. Issue 1 - Psychosis - which psychosis is marijuana supposed to be causing? There are lots of psychoses out there that should only be applied to someone by a trained professional in a clinical setting after multiple interviews and peer reviewed documentation. Trying to attribute any psychosis to a single external substance that people have been using for thousands of years is very difficult, especially so when you add in the laundry list of other things we all do and have done to ourselves that we know leads to the development of a psychological condition. As for it being a gateway drug, I'd argue that most people who smoke marijuana probably will have smoked a cigarette and had a drink of beer or wine or something harder - maybe those are the gateway drugs? See what anecdotal information does for you? And addictive and damages organs - no and probably not unless you are smoking an ounce or more a day every day, but even the Freak Brother didn't imbibe that much. Besides the recurring problem of this all being anecdotal, the volume of marijuana being ingested isn't going to have a traumatic effect on body systems. It usually isn't the substance that causes harm to us, it's the volume and over consumption that ends up causing problems.
There are legitimate concerns that marijuana can interfere with motivation or information retention, but so can too little sleep or being worried about any of the myriad crap that we have to deal with. If anything, marijuana can help reduce anxiety, increase appetite, and is at best only psychologically addictive the way that anything that helps us live a better life can be "addictive".
Anyone who thinks that marijuana should be illegal and the people who use it fined or imprisoned needs to understand that they are the problem - not some plant that makes people who use it feel better. To quote from that grand old diddy, The Govt. Wants to Test Me When I Pee - "Not to change the subject, but didn't you ever wonder why gettin' high's a crime, in the first place."
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@rorycallaghan5719 Hey again - You're right about the armor piercing ammunition but you can still buy hollow point bullets in most places except New Jersey (unless some local ordinances wer passed in 2020 I don't know about). And as a private citizen you actually can own a rocket launcher or hand grenades if you comply with the 1934 NFA and 1968 GCA (plus any state or local rules that may apply). This means you have to apply for.permission to register them as a “Destructive Device" with the federal government before you have possession, which is an involved process that requires filling out the paperwork, getting fingerprinted and photographed (actually, you provide the passport type photos), and attaching a $200 check (per device; individual rounds for “Destructive Devices" are frequently - although not always - “Destructive Devices" by themselves and have to also go through the same process per round), and wait up to a year for ATF to respond with an approval if you meet the legal requirements (residency, legal in your state, at least 21 years old in most cases, and a background check doesn't show any disqualifies that would prohibit you from buying a “normal" gun). There are also very specific rules you have to follow when transporting, storing, or allowing other people access to NFA regulated things like Destructive Devices.
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When people talk about how many more people voted for trump in 2020 than 2016 they don't mention that 23 million fewer people voted in 2016 (136,669,276) than 2020 (159,690,457). Trump had 62,985,106 votes in 2016 and around 73.9 in 2020 whereas the votes for the Democrats candidate went from 69.5 to 80 million. Of course, it's only the Electoral college totals that matter, but the electoral college is still made up of the total votes in individual states, so if even only a few thousand voters here and there in those make-or-break individual states swing from R to D, or even just stay home, then Biden wins the popular vote AND the electoral college again.
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@realcreature3D - "Condo Caravan Cities" - Nice. It's exactly that concept of a return to the mobile community that is going to be seen more and more among people both as a choice and a necessity. These kinds of solar arrays (or whatever we'll see in the coming years) are only one part of the future tech post-modern nomads will be using. It's not only about being an efficient means of transport, but as one part of a new take on an old way to live in a world that maybe very different than what we see today. If as a group you can move 30 to 50 miles and then deploy solar and wind arrays to recharge your batteries while using other means of two-wheeled or a communal fueled vehicle to move around and locate supplies than efficiency isn't part of the equation anymore, or at least a smaller factor, because you are living at a different speed than everyone else. Think Plains Indians or the Mongol herders who move with the seasons.
Now, add in autonomous vehicles to the equation and we might have part of the solution to how the elderly who haven't saved for their retirement are going to live once Social Security and Medicare benefits have to get reduced or are restructured into some new limited program and the only shelter someone can afford is their vehicle. Imagine six or seven people pooling their resources to buy a rechargeable recreational vehicle and using it as a rolling retirement home. I've thought a lot about this and there are many, many possibilities for how this will play out, but vehicles like the one in this video will be part of the landscape.
Mind you, I guess it could be just more of the same for the duration but I don't think so. There is enough of a confluence between rapidly increasing population groups, technological innovation, social evolution, and financial and political dysfunction happening that I think large scale change is pretty much inevitable and within the next decade or so. After Facebook finally ruins Social Media and the financial problems we keep hearing about happen, a lot of people are going to have to find ways to come together in the real world and work around the barriers we won't be able to overcome anymore individually. It's already started, it's just most of us don't pay attention to these people because many of them have dropped off the grid partially or completely and are largely invisible.
Merry Christmas!
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4:15 - Ted is asking what happened to make us so horrible. He spews out some of the most vile filth about people on the Left and people he finds unworthy for whatever reason. I remember the video from his performance at the oroville,ca 8-22-07 feather fallls casino where he's quoted as saying,
"Obama, he's a piece of shit, and I told him to suck on my machine gun. Let's hear it for him. And then I was in New York. I said, "Hey, Hillary, you might want to ride one of these into the sunset, you worthless bitch. Since I'm in California, how about Barbara Boxer, she might want to suck on my machine gun. And Dianne Feinstein, ride one of these you worthless whore. Any questions?"
That's pretty horrible, Ted. And that was back in '07 before Obama was even President yet. Just load the next video Titled Joe Rogan - Ted Nugent on Gun Control and he starts going off immediately on Michael Moore. Michael Moore makes the Right fucking nuts, but it's ten years later and he's doing the same angry schtick! While this has always been going on in our country, it started getting worse again in the 90's with Newt Gingrich and the Republican outrage at the Clintons. The Conservative Right had already assumed the mantle of America's moral authority against the Liberal menace they stereotyped as godless, sex-crazed, drug-addled pussies (the pinko commie part didn't really work anymore since the USSR had collapsed - also part of the reason the Right turned so much harder against the Left - they needed a new enemy) and the Liberals didn't do much to change their opinions. Now after the almost thirty years of this slow escalation of hostility, which is now actively being reciprocated by some on the Left as well, why should we expect any less than the escalation of violence that we're seeing. And a gun is a damn good tool to kill someone with. Hell, it's why it's made. But even if you were somehow able to take away all the guns, people will still be able to build bombs and chemical devices that can incapacitate allowing someone with nothing more than a knife to do horrible things to a good sized group of people. The Tokyo Subway attack by the Aum Shinrikyo is an example of what I'm talking about. That was in 1995.
You can stop the sales of high capacity magazines, put the old Brady Law gun-ban back in place, do community buybacks, and other things to chip away at the problem, and it would help but it won't stop this. As a gun owner I'm comfortable with people having to go through a background check. I'd think it would be valuable for most all gun owners, especially new ones, to take a gun safety or a full concealed-carry permit class and get to spend some time training with a professional on a live range, but none of that is going to stop this problem. We all have to stop being such assholes to each other to make that happen. And from a lot of the comments I see - and some that I've made - that isn't happening anytime soon. But I'm trying, Ringo - I'm trying real hard.
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"Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are perverse." (1 Peter 2:18)
"And when she had presented him the meat, he took hold of her, and said: Come lie with me, my sister. She answered him: Do not so, my brother, do not force me: for no such thing must be done in Israel. Do not thou this folly". [II Kings 13:8-12] "But he would not hearken to her prayers, but being stronger overpowered her and lay with her." [II Kings 13:14]
"He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord."(Deuteronomy 23:1)
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I'm reminded if that scene from The Newsroom where Jeff Daniels goes off --
"...We're seventh in literacy, twenty-seventh in math, twenty-second in science, forty-ninth in life expectancy, 178th in infant mortality, third in median household income, number four in labor force, and number four in exports. We lead the world in only three categories: number of incarcerated citizens per capita, number of adults who believe angels are real, and defense spending, where we spend more than the next twenty-six countries combined, twenty-five of whom are allies. None of this is the fault of a 20-year-old college student, but you, nonetheless, are without a doubt, a member of the WORST-period-GENERATION-period-EVER-period, so when you ask what makes us the greatest country in the world, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about?! Yosemite?!!!"
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GamingByteTv - Obliged, brother! Hillary definitely has more knowledge than Don and would have been better in the role. Sadly, it told me everything I needed to know that she didn't make Bernie her running mate - sort of a last nail in the coffin kind of thing for me. Obviously, he would have stolen the stage from her and she couldn't be the second fiddle if she was trying for the first chair, but I thought the perfect argument would be that due to your very point of all her time on the world stage as Secretary of State, a former FLOTUS, senator, etc., she would make the better president and she could just spend the next four years travelling abroad on Air Force One trying to avoid being impeached by the Republican Congress that would have been screaming for her head on a pike from day one. Plus there was that whole first-woman-president thing going on which we could have just gotten rid of. But Bernie could have proceeded to use the power of the Executive branch to continue the Obama policies and work on new policies and legislation that would help bring much needed help to millions of people in need - kind of like an anti-Dick Cheney. But noooooooo, Hill and the Establishment went with Kane and we got Donald fucking Trump. My poor, stupid, easily misled countrymen (and women) - this is why we can't have anything nice any more.
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The whole reason Tulsi was in Syria is that...
"Former Rep. Dennis Kucinich and his wife, Elizabeth, along with Rep. Tulsi Gabbard met with Syrian religious leaders in Aleppo, led by Archbishop Denys Antoine Chahda of the Syrian Catholic Church of Aleppo, and joined by Archbishop Joseph Tabji of Maronite Church of Aleppo, Rev. Ibrahim Nseir of the Arab Evangelical Presbyterian Church of Aleppo, and others. Each called for peace, and an end to foreign support of terrorists who are trying to rid Syria of its secular, pluralistic, free society...
...Kucinich, longtime sponsor of legislation to create a cabinet-level Department of Peace visited Lebanon and Syria last week on a fact-finding tour that included meetings with Syrian president Bashar al-Assad, Lebanese Prime Minister Saad Hariri and its president, Michel Aoun, and Iraq's foreign minister."(By Sabrina Eaton, cleveland.com)
I never hear this get mentioned.
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It's not any one -ism. If we don't destroy the habitability if our planet first, the answer is a hybrid of social systems under a single world government with small territorial carve-outs for groups that want to live in an exceptional way (like the Amish or the Kardashians). I suspect that Communism only works well in a small group environment of like-minded individuals, much as Capitalism most benefits only a small group of like-minded individuals. As such, neither is going to be a successful singular option for the long-term health of the full, global society. The most successful answer is going to be the one where no one is going to get everything they want. The members of the greater society will be more socially free to be who they are and will have access to very basic and safe shelter, food, clothing, healthcare and entertainment allowing them to focus less on working to earn a living and more on living a life doing meaningful work. There will be common sense rules for everyone about not being greedy or an asshole but also having a bit of tolerance for your neighbors when they fall short. If we want to do some extra tasks in order to have a luxury item than there will be ways to do that. Taking part in a performance or contributing above and beyond to the general good of your community could provide one with credit towards a variety of luxuries. But the freedom to have twenty kids or amass an estate of land and property (save for in the territorial carve-outs) will have to go away. More than anything we have to start working to naturally reduce our global population over several generations. Do we really need more than a couple billion people on the planet? I bet we’d be fine with even less and it would free up a lot of room for everyone.
Or not - a lot of us, like the piece-of-shit people who trashed Joshua Tree and other national parks and monuments during Trump's Shutdown, or the ISIS fucks taking the Yazidi women as sex slaves and destroying cultural antiquities, all remind me of how natural it is for some people to do the worst things. Since we are unable to eliminate the worst examples of ourselves from our tribes, maybe we should all suffer for the sins of those stupidest members and accept our civilizations seemingly inevitable end whether it be with a bang or a whimper.
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There is a lot of open office space these days all of a sudden, no? Maybe we should use some of those empty offices to store all the medical PPE and equipment and other Emergency supplies that don't expire like gloves, gowns, whatever those shoe coverings are called, face shields, respirators, dialysis machines, needles, tubing, mylar blankets, water purification systems, bandages, gauze, cotton, and surgical and emergency medicine instruments and supplies we don't have right now. It would be in the public interest to have large numbers of these and other non-perishables stored in a dispersed fashion across a city, wouldn't it? Let robots make the stuff and make it too cheap - and too shaming - to steal.
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(This is more me trying to wrap my head around all of this than an attempt to get answers from anyone, but feel free to reply if you want. With all the ugliness and ignorance of late around politics and the conflict in Gaza I've turned off my reply notifications for a bit so I won't know if anyone does, but I'll probably check back in a day or two to see if anyone had anything interesting to say. Cheers!)
I feel like what "racism" is keeps changing. I used to confuse racism with racial bigotry and racial bias until I was educated that they are different. I was corrected that racism is the systemic oppression of non-whites in the White dominated socio-economic structural system, so that only a White person can be a racist but anyone of any racial group can have racial bigotry and bias. And that all White people, but only White people, are inherently racist by the fundamentals of their birth and the societal structural system we are all born into. Thus, until that societal structure changes, and Black and Brown people have equal levels of status, control and equity within the societal structure, a White person can be an anti-racist ally in the struggle to make that happen but they will always still be a racist. So as a White person I have no choice but to be a racist and the best I can do is strive to not be a racially bigoted and intolerant White person as well.
But in this discussion it sounds like they are saying White people might not be racists - or can somehow chose to not be racists? Or is it that now Black and Brown people who are "White on the inside" are racists too so that it's actually not only White people who are racist after all but also anyone from another racial group who is enabling and profiting from the existing socio-political and economic system? And why does it sound like the goal is not to end racism but to create a new social structure in which White people are no longer the racists but either Black or Brown people (it probably wouldn't be both as realistically only one group at a time can be in the seat of of power and control) are in the power position benefiting from being the dominant racial group and becoming the new racists in that structure? Is it that there will there always be racism but Blacks wants to be the "masters of the universe" over the Whites and other People of Color in that new structure? And why at other times in the program are they using the word racist when it sounds what is actually talking about is White racial bigotry, White racial bias, or White supremacy?
As a side note here, it's always odd to me how the subjects of economic class and class warfare are never part of this conversation. I've always been acutely aware that I have more in common with another Black or Brown person of my economic status than I ever will with a White Person like King Charles or an Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos billionaire - or someone who isn't White but still crazy rich and/or powerful like Mohammed bin Salman or Xi Jinping.
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"...there's absolutely no evidence to support the statement that we're the greatest country in the world. We're 7th in literacy, 27th in math, 22nd in science, 49th in life expectancy, 178th in infant mortality, 3rd in median household income, number 4 in labor force, and number 4 in exports. We lead the world in only 3 categories: number of incarcerated citizens per capita, number of adults who believe angels are real, and defense spending, where we spend more than the next 26 countries combined. 25 of whom are allies. Now, none of this is the fault of a 20 year old college student. But you, nonetheless, are without a doubt a member of the worst period generation period ever period. So when you ask, "What makes us the greatest country in the world?" I don't know what the f*ck you're talking about! Yosemite?!"
The Newsroom
(some of those stats may have changed in the years since the show but the sentiment remains the same)
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So if we have a brain machine interface, could it be used in reverse to put our consciousness back into a new life form? Sort of like the transfer that took place in Avatar or Altered Carbon? If so we have the solution to interstellar space travel. You wouldn't need to travel at the speed of light, or try to survive travelling through a wormhole, cryogenic sleep, or the warping of space and/or time if you were able to occupy your electronic self with running equations and contemplating ideas we can't imagine we'll have when we can live for thousands of years, effectively becoming immortal until/unless we transcend into some hybrid being or form of higher energy yet to be discovered. And when we arrive at a new planet we can find a suitable host species and transfer a copy of our consciousness into a host body grown from sampled DNA of that new species so as to experience a now relatively short time of existence living a life in their world through their senses, transmitting that knowledge back at some point, and further adding to and expanding one's perspective as we travel from world to world, people to people, for millions of years. It's a heady possibility to even try and consider, but I can see it! It could also help get the planet's population back down to more reasonable levels if we had an off-world exodus of people wanting to go see the Universe. Though, having a brain/machine interface and becoming cyborg's will probably solve a lot of any population problems we might be facing. I just hope this can be pulled off before something unpleasantly wacky happens.
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@asaasare220 In the US it's very likely that person who was born and raised in a certain class will stay in that class. Some born into a lower class may advance into a middle or even an upper class lifestyle for a while but they tend to return back to the lower class from which they started. Likewise, someone raised middle or upper class that falls on hard times will more easily be able to return to the economic status they were part of when they were growing up. There are a lot of reasons for this that would only make this reply even longer than it already is.
Maybe there isn't as much overt discussion specifically about class struggle and class warfare the US among the wider population because, as the saying goes, the class war in America is over and the rich won. But the issues of class and the inequity of class disparities that exist here like they do most everywhere are very much a part of people thoughts and concerns even if they phrase the subject using different language or view it from other perspectives. It's not uncommon for people in the US to be aware of the fact that they have more in common with other people, regardless of their ethnicity, that are in their same economic status or class than they do with people from a higher or lower class. It's a fact about which people who are less racially bigoted are especially aware.
As for education, I don't know about other countries as I've only lived full-time in the US, but it's been my experience that education is just another part of the same thing I was originally writing about. The quality and scope of a persons scholastic and extra-curricular education depends on several factors including the parents political views and how engaged they are in their child's education, the individual teachers a student has especially during high school history, social studies, government, or civics classes and when/if they attend college, and any mentors or other non-curricular influences a person has either directly in-person or through the music they listen too, books they read, or other sources they encounter, again, especially during their high school and college years. It also matters if the person being educated is engaged in their education and with the people educating them. As I wrote in my previous post, class consciousness and the issues of class very much depends on the groups of people in which someone is a member and by which they are influenced.
Sorry - this got kind of long.
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Septimiu.B.D - Resistance is NOT futile! If you want to do something now, you can find like minded people with a practical and diverse set of knowledge and skills and gather enough resources so that you can go form your own self-sufficient micro-community and won't have to take part in this when/if it happens. The problem I see is that we are already so far along the path to this being reality that there probably isn't too much we can do to keep it from happening. But humans do two things really well - mess things up and figure out ways to deal with or work around the thing that last asshole messed up. If at some point a unified system monitored by AI and enforced by a full spectrum totalitarian security force provides a universal basic income card (chip, data-tat, etc.) that we all have to use for all of our everything then we'll either submit and have to hope for a gilded cage and benevolent keepers, take part in the counter response by whatever small minority of people choose to fight against such a world, or try to find some middle path between the two worlds like most of us already are doing today.
Something I am sure of is that the vast majority of people in the modern First World of our Western Civ 2K already live in a gilded cage and have our entire lives. We pretend we're free and are making our own choices to go where we want and do what we want and while there is some truth to that in a much larger sense very few of us really are. And most of us don't want to be set free and wouldn't know what to do with ourselves if we really were. For those of us who refuse to be forced in to such a system, there will be a way around it. It might mean having to live mobily on scraps and cast offs, but people will find a way if they want it badly enough. And there will, depending on the nature of the ruling order, be people gaming the system all the time.
We humans put ourselves above our fellow animal species, even our primate cousins, but at the end of the day we're still mostly apes pushing a button for a treat. The thing is that some of us are also very clever apes that want to take that button apart and figure out where that treat is coming from. And we can because we have THUMBS! Nothing more dangerous than a clever ape with an opposable thumb. They end up building bombs that can destroy everyone or develope medicine to save everyone. So I have hope and we all should, but I also hope the planet doesn't kill us off to save itself before we can figure out this phase in our history and get our collective poop in a group.
I'm a hell of a lot more concerned about that than, as someone else so aptly put it, a multipass. Nowhere near enough of the people and things that needed to happen to keep the problems we are going to face from the changing climate to a minimum have happened and we are absolutely past any tipping point for any serious problems to come. I don't know if it's going to be in a few years or a few decades, but there's your problem. And wouldn't cha know, it's right next to a gosh dang population explosion - now that's gonna be a toughee to fix, mister. Looks like we all got some hard choices to make for ourselves. Good luck, brothers and sisters. Be excellent to each other.
(apologies for the length)
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@gillypuente1794 There are many reasons a miscarriage can occur and the risks are often higher in women living in unstable environments (poverty, violence, drugs, age, lack of prenatal care, etc.) The National Advocates of Pregnant Women, a pro-choice advocacy group, has recorded 1,600 cases from 1973 to 2020, with about 1,200 occurring in the last 15 years alone of women who have been imprisoned after suffering a miscarriage.
But with your ignorant argument and by calling me a dumbass you are obviously one of those people who will always find a way to blame the woman and justify their mistreatment and imprisonment. I'm going to go ahead and mute you now so I don't have to interact with your toxicity anymore.
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I don't get why people here are acting like she isn't a conservative. The conservative Republican party gave us Nixon, Reagan, both Bushes (along with Dick Cheney, the War on Terror and the Patriot Act), and Trump plus too many awful Governors, Senators, and Representatives to list here. They have fought against every attempt to regulate guns, do right by every minority group in the US, do anything about global warming/climate change, and now they own the Supreme Court and are trying to make the Handmaids Tale into reality. The conservative media from Rush Limbaugh to Fox news has spent decades spreading mis- and disinformation, outright lies, hatred, white nationalist jingoism and tearing this country apart. Lauren Boebert fits right into their midst.
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Depressive disorders, anxiety, dissociative, stress-related, somatoform and other nonpsychotic mental disorders, behavioral and emotional disorders with onset during childhood and adolescence, bipolar disorders, manic episodes, schizophrenia, schizotypal, delusional, and other non-mood psychotic disorders are all mental health conditions that people suffer from.
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Username [Redacted] - Dude, most of us that chose to watch this know that the same way American is often used to indicate the archetypal white anglo saxon protestant from North America, Mexican is used to group together all people of indian, spanish and portuguese ancestry from throughout the Americas. It's the reason you see other national ethnic groups applied as a prefix to American. Even the poor Canadians probably get labeled as Americans unless they say about or eh? as in "Don't call me an American! I'm Canadian Eh?!!".
It's all racist as fuck, but until we choose to stop describing and dividing each other by our ancestry, Mexican is both the people of Mexico proper and a racially charged term to describe (usually in a derogatory way) any other person who isn't white, black, asian or middle eastern - though plenty of the people in Montana and most of the United States probably couldn't tell the difference between a person from the middle east or a person from latin america. And that's partly because there are plenty of racist people and partly because there are so few minorities of any ethnicity for anyone to interact with let alone have as a friend in places like Montana, Idaho, West Texas or pretty much any rural area in any state. There are exceptions, but not many. Joining the military is the first experience a lot of young people from states and rural areas with very few non-white (other than native american) populations have with a wide range of people from other ethnic backgrounds.
I don't trust the established order to do it, but having a universal period of national service that ALL of us have to serve in, from graduation or when someone is ready to complete a GED until they are 21, would be one of the best things to actually help us learn about our neighbors and the bigger world and actually start to Make America Great Again, but Donny and the Cons don't really want to do that - not for everyone. But that's a different post for a different day.
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Mercenaries attacking a major metropolitan city in the United States and holding it ransom a la Siena? Well, even in that case the city of Siena, which was more like Vail or Martha's Vineyard than Los Angeles or Manhattan, eventually just gave up it's independent status and joined with Milan for protection, so that is more of a lesson about trying to go it alone in a world without a formal state. We're talking about the 14th century here people - the depths of the frelling Dark Ages! That isn't going to happen unless there is a massive shift in the structure of the current order and I think that for now the Oligarchs have way too much to loose to let that happen.
The State will continue to function as their beard for as long as it's useful (long past the time that it will be anything more than empty words an meaningless gestures of obedience hen a few remaining people are surviving in a bunker somewhere). Their mercenaries having been trained in the militarized branch of the State can easily be credentialed and authorized to act on their interests as an agent of the State when the event calls for it. We've seen this already during Katrina and at the recent pipeline protests. Individual actors and groups will commit acts of aggression against other agencies, state and private, oligarchs, and population groups but that really never stopped. Mr McFate (really?) is ignoring instances during the 20th century when hired-guns like the Pinkerton's were used in conjunction with the National Guard by mine owners against striking workers at Ludlow, Colorado. It may be one of the more egregious singular examples of a privatized, armed group being used with a State militarized force of people willing and able to use lethal force to resolve a problem for their employer. but it certainly isn't the only one. Strike-breakers were commonly used throughout the 20th century. And the violence practiced against people in the lower economic status of our society, especially when combined with being from an ethnic, religious, gender or some other minority, has always been present. To the person being physically, socially and/or economically assaulted it doesn't make more than a semantic difference whether it's a mercenary, their boss, their bosses-boss (etc.), the landlord or property owners, law enforcement, a bureaucrat from some local/county/state/federal/privatized level of fill-in-the-blank, or any other person or group of individuals, foreign or domestic, that might be threatening your world.
I feel like it's obvious that mercenaries will also be a part of the Foreign Forever War of Distraction our leaders and their sponsors embarked on a generation ago, right? That's just the Privatization stage of things. I've read this book and seen this movie many times over. Just curious to see if there's going to be a twist before it ends.
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Tipper went after Metal too - Dee Snider, Rob Halford, Dave Mustaine, etc.
"F is for fighting, R is for red
Ancestors' blood in battles they've shed
E, we elect them, E, we eject them
In the land of the free, and the home of the brave
D, for your dying, O, your overture
M, they will cover your grave with manure
This spells out freedom, it means nothing to me
RC"
Hook in Mouth
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On the subject of Obama separating children just like Trump--
"...The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services’ inspector general released a report in January noting that, “historically” such family “separations were rare and occurred because of circumstances such as the parent’s medical emergency or a determination that the parent was a threat to the child’s safety.”
But, the report notes, that changed as a result of the Trump administration’s “zero tolerance” policy last spring. The Department of Homeland Security “separated large numbers of alien families, with adults being held in Federal detention while their children were transferred to the care of the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) within the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS),” according to the report.
That report also said the department had “thus far identified 2,737 children in its care at that time who were separated from their parents. However, thousands of children may have been separated during an influx that began in 2017 … and HHS has faced challenges in identifying separated children.” The government is under a court order to identify other children who had been separated, but either way, we know the total far surpasses the 1,900 figure used in the meme.
As for the number of children who were separated under Obama, there have been no official figures released — but, as we said, the HHS inspector general noted that such separations were rare.
The “89,000” figure used in the meme is similar to previous claims that “90,000” children were separated under Obama — a number the Associated Press last year pointed out may have been incorrectly pulled from a 2016 Senate report. The report said that, since the beginning of fiscal year 2014, the Obama administration had placed “almost 90,000” unaccompanied children “with sponsors in the United States.”
At the time, the U.S. was experiencing an influx of unaccompanied children arriving at the border from Central America. The “90,000” figure largely represented children who had arrived at the border without a parent or guardian (though, as we said earlier, there may have been limited cases in which children were separated for the child’s safety).
That process for releasing unaccompanied children to sponsors continues. For reference, HHS data show that 133,502 unaccompanied children were released to sponsors during the 36 months between October 2013 and September 2016. The figure for the 33 months from October 2016 to June 2019 (the most recent data available) was 132,340..."
https://www.factcheck.org/2019/08/falsehoods-about-family-separations-linger-online/
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