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Good luck trying to find information about the "shrinking markets" concept in relation to National Socialist ideology online, because it's simply not discussed (in English at least). As of the publication of this video, I don't think Wikipedia even mentions it in relation to Nazi ideology, and I'm fairly certain it's rare to find discussion of it even in the historiography. So welcome to the forefront of historical discussion!
Let me know if you want me to discuss why the “shrinking markets” concept is not as well known as it should be. If I do create a follow up to this video, I’ll also endeavour to answer as many questions that you raise in the comments related to this topic, since I think this may prove to be a popular topic of discussion.
Here's an alternative translation of the quote of the one I read from Hitler’s Second Book, this time from the fantastic book by Zitelmann ‘Hitler: The Politics of Seduction’ which I highly recommend -
“The market of today’s world is not an unlimited one. The number of industrially active countries has constantly increased. Almost all of the European nations suffer from the insufficient and unsatisfactory ratio of their territory to their population, and are therefore dependent on world exports. In recent times they have had the Americans union added on, in the east Japan. With this, a fight for the limited markets begins automatically, which will become all the sharper the more numerous the industrially active nations become, and on the other hand the more limited the markets become. Because while, on the one hand, the number of nations fighting for the world market increases, the market itself gradually shrinks, in part due to self-industrialization under their own power, in part by a system of branch companies which are increasingly being set up in such countries out of purely capitalistic interests… The more purely capitalistic interests begin to determine today’s economy, especially the more general financial and stock market considerations gain a decisive influence, the more this system of the foundation of branches will expand, but with this also the industrialization of former markets… artificially carried out and, in particular, restricting the possibilities of export of the European mother countries… The greater the difficulties of export become, the harsher the fight for the ones remaining will be waged. And if the initial weapons in this battle lie in price structures and the quality of the goods with which one tries to compete each other into ruin, the final weapon here too ultimately lies in the sword.” - Zitelamann, P277 quoting Hitler's Second Book.
Technically I should have done a Q&A video this week, but given that we’ve just had the anniversary of D-Day, I thought I’d best do something a bit more special. I’m planning on answering most of the remaining Q&A questions in the next Q&A video coming in two weeks time (it’s Courland Part 9 next Monday).
Sources
Aly, G. “Hitler’s Beneficiaries: How the Nazis Bought the German People.” Verso, 2016. (Original German 2005).
Barkai, A. “Nazi Economics: Ideology, Theory, and Policy.” Yale University Press, 1990.
Bel, G. "Against the mainstream: Nazi privatization in 1930s Germany." Universitat de Barcelona, PDF.
Birchall, I. “The Spectre of Babeuf.” Haymarket Books, 2016.
Bosworth, R. “Mussolini’s Italy: Life under the Dictatorship 1915-1945.” Penguin Books, Kindle 2006.
Brown, A. "How 'socialist' was National Socialism?" Kindle, 2015.
Engels, F “Socialism: Utopian and Scientific.” Written, 1880. Progress Publishers, 1970.
Evans, R. “The Coming of the Third Reich.” Penguin Books, Kindle 2004.
Dilorenzo, T. “The Problem with Socialism.” Regnery Publishing, Kindle 2016.
Farrell, N. "Mussolini: A New Life." Endeavour Press Ltd, Kinde 2015.
Feder, G. "The Programme of the NSDAP: The National Socialist German Worker's Party and its General Conceptions." RJG Enterprises Inc, 2003.
Feder, G. "The German State on a National and Socialist Foundation." Black House Publishing LTD, 2015.
Friedman, M. “Capitalism and Freedom: Fortieth Anniversary Edition.” university of Chicago, Kindle 2002. (originally published in 1962)
Grand, A. "Italian Fascism: It's Origins and & Development." University of Nebraska Press, 2000.
Geyer, M. & Fitzpatrick, S. "Beyond Totalitarianism: Stalinism and Nazism Compared." Cambridge University Press, Kindle 2009.
Hazlitt, H. “Economics in One Lesson: The Shortest & Surest Way to Understand Basic Economics.” Three Rivers Press, 1979. (originally published 1946)
Hibbert, C. “Mussolini: The Rise and Fall of Il Duce.” St Martin’s Press Griffin, 2008.
Joseph Goebbels and Mjölnir, Die verfluchten Hakenkreuzler. Etwas zum Nachdenken (Munich: Verlag Frz. Eher, 1932). (English translation)
Hobsbawm, E. "The Age of Extremes: 1914-1991." Abacus, 1995.
Hoppe, H. “A Theory of Socialism and Capitalism.” Kindle.
Hitler. A. “Mein Kampf.” Jaico Books, 2017.
Hitler, A. "Zweites Buch (Secret Book): Adolf Hitler's Sequel to Mein Kampf." Jaico Publishing House, 2017.
Kershaw, I. “Hitler: 1936-1945 Nemesis.” Penguin Books, 2001.
Kershaw, I. “Stalinism and Nazism: Dictatorships in Comparison.” Cambridge University Press, Kindle 2003.
Keynes, J. "National Self-Sufficiency," The Yale Review, Vol. 22, no. 4 (June 1933), pp. 755-769.
Marx, K. “Capital: A Critique of Political Economy: Volume I Book One: The Process of Production of Capital.” PDF of 1887 English edition, 2015.
Marx, K. “Capital: A Critique of Political Economy: Volume III Book One.” PDF of 1894, English edition, 2010.
Marx, K. “Capital: A Critique of Political Economy: Volume III Book One.” PDF, English edition, 2010. (Originally written 1894)
Marx, K. “Capital: A Critique of Political Economy: Volume III Book One.” Penguin Classics, Kindle edition. (Originally written 1894)
Mises, L. "Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysis." Liberty Fund, 1981. 1969 edition (roots back to 1922).
Moorhouse, R. "The Devil's Alliance: Hitler's Pact with Stalin, 1939-1941." Random House Group, Ebook (Google Play) 2014.
Mosley, O. "Fascism: 100 Questions Asked and Answered." Black House Publishing, Kindle 2019.
Muravchik, J. “Heaven on Earth: The Rise and Fall of Socialism.” Encounter Books, Kindle.
Mussolini, B. “The Doctrine of Fascism.” Kindle, Originally published in 1932.
Newman, M. “Socialism: A Very Short Introduction.” Kindle.
Luxemburg, R. “The Accumulation of Capital.” Routledge and Kegan Paul Ltd, 1951. (Originally written in 1913.)
Luxemburg, R. “The National Question” 1910.
Reimann, G. “The Vampire Economy: Doing Business under Fascism.” Kindle, Mises Institute, 2007. Originally written in 1939.
Siedentop, L. “Inventing the Individual: The Origins of Western Liberalism.” Penguin Books, Kindle.
Smith, A. “An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations.” Kindle.
Sowell, T. “Economic Facts and Fallacies: Second Edition.” Kindle.
Sowell, T. “The Housing Boom and Bust.” Kindle.
Spengler, O. “Prussianism and Socialism.” Isha Books, 2013. First Published 1920.
Temin, P. “Soviet and Nazi Economic Planning in the 1930s.” From The Economic History Review, New Series, Vol. 44, No. 4 (Nov., 1991), pp. 573-593 (21 pages). Jstor.
Tooze, A. “Wages of Destruction: The Making & Breaking of The Nazi Economy.” Penguin Books, 2007.
Young, Adam. "Nazism is Socialism." The Free Market 19, no. 9 (September 2001).
Zitelmann, R. “Hitler: The Politics of Seduction.” London House, 1999.
The American Economic Review, Vol. 1, No. 2, Papers and Discussions of the Twenty-third Annual Meeting (Apr., 1911), pp. 347-354
Hitler’s Confidential Memo on Autarky (August 1936) http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/pdf/eng/English61.pdf
Deficit Spending in the Nazi Recovery, 1933-1938: A Critical Reassessment http://personal.lse.ac.uk/ritschl/pdf_files/ritschl_dec2000.pdf
Sir Oswald Mosley | Interview | Thames Television | 1975 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNhF28fzN9I
(Accessed 04/10/2018)
https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Reichstagsbrandverordnung
http://home.wlu.edu/~patchw/His_214/_handouts/Weimar%20constitution.htm
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Weimar_constitution
http://www.zum.de/psm/weimar/weimar_vve.php
https://www.marxists.org/archive/fromm/works/1961/man/ch06.htm
https://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Inflation_in_Nazi_Germany
“A nation or territory considered as an organized political community under one government.” https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/state
Mises "Planned Chaos" (an excerpt from "Socialism: An Economic & Sociological Analysis) https://youtu.be/7EnHeZXLzTc
For a list of all my books on WW2 and similar, please visit this link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
Thanks for watching, bye for now!
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The point of this video is to strike a more balanced view of the events. Considering that the balance has been mostly pro-German and anti-Soviet, presenting a more neutral case can make it seem that I’m favouring the Soviets over the Germans. Yes, this isn’t 100% unbiased since our perception history is based on sources and no source is truly unbiased, plus I am human and thus make mistakes, but it’s certainly not pro-Soviet. If you think it is based on the first couple minutes, wait until the end. And if you didn’t, and posted a comment complaining about my bias, shame on you for not watching the full video ;)
Imagine a gauge (like a speedometer in a car), if the arrow has been pointing to the right mostly (favouring the Germans), then if we move the arrow to the centre we’re also moving more to the left, which people assume is favouring the Soviets. But in actuality, we’re striking a balance between the two sides. We’re being neutral. It’s just, because we’re so used to the arrow pointing to the right, any move left is interpreted as bad. But it’s not. We have to try and reach that midpoint, and keep the arrow there. If not, we’ve not got a balanced view of the events.
The book “Stalingrad: How the Red Army Triumphed” was used for a lot of the quotes throughout this video. I highly recommend it! And the population statistics came from the book Harrison, M. “The Economics of World War II: Six great powers in international comparison.” Cambridge University Press, Kindle Edition, 2000.
Please consider supporting me on Patreon and make these videos as good as they can be. I’m highly reliant on your support, which is why I’m going to say another big thank you to my current Patreons. THANK YOU! Got another Patreon update coming tomorrow, a poll, and a few posts too, so look forward to that ;) link to my Patreon https://www.patreon.com/TIKhistory
Also, it was great to see some of you at TankFest yesterday! Just got home in time to publish this :)
Links
All my History videos in one playlist - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNSNgGzaledhMtb3bsJkJmtECxS_mm_QM
Your Perception of the Eastern Front is WRONG https://youtu.be/B-ZHH770WLs
The Numbers Say it All | The Myth of German Superiority on the WW2 Eastern Front https://youtu.be/_7BE8CsM9ds
Why Germany Lost WW2 - OIL video https://youtu.be/kVo5I0xNRhg
Fall Blau https://youtu.be/hzr6dD8fvVY
Sources/Bibliography
Beevor, A. “Stalingrad.” Penguin Books, 1999.
Chuikov, V. “The Beginning of the Road.” Panther Edition, 1970.
Fritz, S. “Ostkrieg: Hitler’s War of Extermination in the East.” University Press of Kentucky. 2011.
Glantz, D. “Colossus Reborn.” University of Kansas, 2005.
Glantz, D. House, J. “The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 1. To the Gates of Stalingrad. Soviet-German Combat Operations, April-August 1942.” University Press of Kansas, 2009.
Glantz, D. “Zhukov’s Greatest Defeat: The Red Army’s Epid Disaster in Operation Mars, 1942.” University Press of Kansas, 1999.
Harrison, M. “The Economics of World War II: Six great powers in international comparison.” Cambridge University Press, Kindle Edition, 2000.
Hill, A. “The Red Army and the Second World War. (Armies of the Second World War.” Cambridge University Press, 2017.
Jones, M. “Stalingrad: How the Red Army Triumphed.” Pen & Sword Military, 2016.
Liedtke, G. “Enduring the Whirlwind: The German Army and the Russo-German War 1941-1943.” Helion & Company LTD, 2016.
Matthews, R. “Stalingrad: The Battle that Shattered Hitler’s Dream of World Domination.” Arcturus Publishing Limited, 2014.
Overy, R. “Russia’s War.” Penguin Books, 1999.
Overy, R. “Why the Allies Won.” Pimlico, 2006.
Shakespeare, C.” Stalingrad: Struggle in the East.” 2014.
Zaitsev, V. “Notes of a Russian Sniper.” Frontline Books, 2017.
Thanks for watching!
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Hey guys, I’m back! Just want to say thank you for allowing me to take a break, and a big THANK YOU to those of you who sent me extra tips on SubscribeStar and Patreon so I could buy a beer, a meal and so on. Most notably: Firebird, Sergeant Major Zero, and User#9ff70389, but there were a few others too. I can confirm that I did have a couple of ales and went out for meals with friends during my time off, so cheers! 🍻
The break was much needed, and apparently “well deserved” according to Razorfist/Rageaholic. (Just in case you don’t know who that guy is, here’s the link to his channel https://www.youtube.com/c/TheRageaholic )
I started work on Tuesday again, even though many of you said I should have had more time off. I agree, I probably should have had more time off since I’ve not fully recovered. But the two weeks has allowed me to rest, and re-focus, and it’s changed my perspective a little as well.
I’d been working so long that I was fatigued and unable to concentrate. Then that was causing me to fall behind with the work, which was then stressing me out, and then causing me to lose sleep and then not be able to focus, which was then making me exhausted, which was causing me to fall even further behind...
But then, being able to stop, I’ve realized that the channel hasn’t died, you’ve all not disappeared, the world’s not ended, and I’ve not had to go back to working in retail - thank Manstein!
The lesson here is that I need to give myself permission to take the odd week off here or there, and take more days off in general, because it turns out that most people don’t work 7 days a week for a reason. Surprisingly, working solidly for four years without more than the odd day or two here or there isn’t healthy for both the body or the mind. Wish I had realized this sooner.
It’s also made me realize that the combination of the Monday videos and the Stalingrad stuff is killing me. If it wasn’t for Stalingrad, I think I’d have no problem doing Monday videos forever. And if it was just Stalingrad videos, I could maybe publish a video every two or three weeks. But the combination of the two is just not sustainable indefinitely. So, for this reason, I’m going to have to figure something out. Not sure what though yet.
The next episode of Battlestorm Stalingrad will not be out next week, which is technically when it should have been. Because of the break I’ve just taken, I’m now not in a position to actually get it done in time. So it will be out the week after - Monday 6th of December. And because I can’t work every day over Christmas, the Stalingrad video after that will be out on Monday 10th of January. So it’s a bit stretched out, but from then on I’ll try and get back to the 4 weekly Stalingrad schedule. There will be videos every Monday going forward though (until my next break).
Cheers!
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Can’t wait to get put on “Bad History” again on Reddit to be ‘refuted’ by an inter-Nazi using two sources, one of which is Wikipedia… or to be told to “read a book” by other Nazis...
Aly, G. “Hitler’s Beneficiaries: How the Nazis Bought the German People.” Verso, 2016. (Original German 2005).
Barkai, A. “Nazi Economics: Ideology, Theory, and Policy.” Yale University Press, 1990.
Bel, G. "Against the mainstream: Nazi privatization in 1930s Germany." Universitat de Barcelona, PDF.
Birchall, I. “The Spectre of Babeuf.” Haymarket Books, 2016.
Bosworth, R. “Mussolini’s Italy: Life under the Dictatorship 1915-1945.” Penguin Books, Kindle 2006.
Brown, A. "How 'socialist' was National Socialism?" Kindle, 2015.
Engels, F “Socialism: Utopian and Scientific.” Written, 1880. Progress Publishers, 1970.
Evans, R. “The Coming of the Third Reich.” Penguin Books, Kindle 2004.
Dilorenzo, T. “The Problem with Socialism.” Regnery Publishing, Kindle 2016.
Farrell, N. "Mussolini: A New Life." Endeavour Press Ltd, Kinde 2015.
Feder, G. "The Programme of the NSDAP: The National Socialist German Worker's Party and its General Conceptions." RJG Enterprises Inc, 2003.
Feder, G. "The German State on a National and Socialist Foundation." Black House Publishing LTD, 2015.
Friedman, M. “Capitalism and Freedom: Fortieth Anniversary Edition.” university of Chicago, Kindle 2002. (originally published in 1962)
Grand, A. "Italian Fascism: It's Origins and & Development." University of Nebraska Press, 2000.
Geyer, M. & Fitzpatrick, S. "Beyond Totalitarianism: Stalinism and Nazism Compared." Cambridge University Press, Kindle 2009.
Hazlitt, H. “Economics in One Lesson: The Shortest & Surest Way to Understand Basic Economics.” Three Rivers Press, 1979. (originally published 1946)
Hibbert, C. “Mussolini: The Rise and Fall of Il Duce.” St Martin’s Press Griffin, 2008.
Joseph Goebbels and Mjölnir, Die verfluchten Hakenkreuzler. Etwas zum Nachdenken (Munich: Verlag Frz. Eher, 1932). (English translation)
Hobsbawm, E. "The Age of Extremes: 1914-1991." Abacus, 1995.
Hoppe, H. “A Theory of Socialism and Capitalism.” Kindle.
Hitler. A. “Mein Kampf.” Jaico Books, 2017.
Hitler, A. "Zweites Buch (Secret Book): Adolf Hitler's Sequel to Mein Kampf." Jaico Publishing House, 2017.
Kershaw, I. “Hitler: 1936-1945 Nemesis.” Penguin Books, 2001.
Kershaw, I. “Stalinism and Nazism: Dictatorships in Comparison.” Cambridge University Press, Kindle 2003.
Keynes, J. "National Self-Sufficiency," The Yale Review, Vol. 22, no. 4 (June 1933), pp. 755-769.
Marx, K. “Capital: A Critique of Political Economy: Volume I Book One: The Process of Production of Capital.” PDF of 1887 English edition, 2015.
Marx, K. “Capital: A Critique of Political Economy: Volume III Book One.” PDF of 1894, English edition, 2010.
Marx, K. “Capital: A Critique of Political Economy: Volume III Book One.” PDF, English edition, 2010. (Originally written 1894)
Marx, K. “Capital: A Critique of Political Economy: Volume III Book One.” Penguin Classics, Kindle edition. (Originally written 1894)
Mises, L. "Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysis." Liberty Fund, 1981. 1969 edition (roots back to 1922).
Moorhouse, R. "The Devil's Alliance: Hitler's Pact with Stalin, 1939-1941." Random House Group, Ebook (Google Play) 2014.
Mosley, O. "Fascism: 100 Questions Asked and Answered." Black House Publishing, Kindle 2019.
Muravchik, J. “Heaven on Earth: The Rise and Fall of Socialism.” Encounter Books, Kindle.
Mussolini, B. “The Doctrine of Fascism.” Kindle, Originally published in 1932.
Newman, M. “Socialism: A Very Short Introduction.” Kindle.
Luxemburg, R. “The Accumulation of Capital.” Routledge and Kegan Paul Ltd, 1951. (Originally written in 1913.)
Luxemburg, R. “The National Question” 1910.
Reimann, G. “The Vampire Economy: Doing Business under Fascism.” Kindle, Mises Institute, 2007. Originally written in 1939.
Siedentop, L. “Inventing the Individual: The Origins of Western Liberalism.” Penguin Books, Kindle.
Smith, A. “An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations.” Kindle.
Sowell, T. “Economic Facts and Fallacies: Second Edition.” Kindle.
Sowell, T. “The Housing Boom and Bust.” Kindle.
Spengler, O. “Prussianism and Socialism.” Isha Books, 2013. First Published 1920.
Temin, P. “Soviet and Nazi Economic Planning in the 1930s.” From The Economic History Review, New Series, Vol. 44, No. 4 (Nov., 1991), pp. 573-593 (21 pages). Jstor.
Tooze, A. “Wages of Destruction: The Making & Breaking of The Nazi Economy.” Penguin Books, 2007.
Young, Adam. "Nazism is Socialism." The Free Market 19, no. 9 (September 2001).
Zitelmann, R. “Hitler: The Politics of Seduction.” London House, 1999.
The American Economic Review, Vol. 1, No. 2, Papers and Discussions of the Twenty-third Annual Meeting (Apr., 1911), pp. 347-354
Hitler’s Confidential Memo on Autarky (August 1936) http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/pdf/eng/English61.pdf
Deficit Spending in the Nazi Recovery, 1933-1938: A Critical Reassessment http://personal.lse.ac.uk/ritschl/pdf_files/ritschl_dec2000.pdf
Sir Oswald Mosley | Interview | Thames Television | 1975 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNhF28fzN9I
(Accessed 04/10/2018)
https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Reichstagsbrandverordnung
http://home.wlu.edu/~patchw/His_214/_handouts/Weimar%20constitution.htm
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Weimar_constitution
http://www.zum.de/psm/weimar/weimar_vve.php
https://www.marxists.org/archive/fromm/works/1961/man/ch06.htm
https://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Inflation_in_Nazi_Germany
“A nation or territory considered as an organized political community under one government.” https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/state
Mises "Planned Chaos" (an excerpt from "Socialism: An Economic & Sociological Analysis) https://youtu.be/7EnHeZXLzTc
For a list of all my books on WW2 and similar, please visit this link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
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Even the figures for the food Sixth Army received are disputed, with one source saying one thing, and another saying something else. So you have to take the ration numbers with a pinch of salt (ha!). That said, the official figures indicate that they were on half rations from the first day of the siege, and things only got worse as time progressed.
The weight loss calculations in the video could be challenged too - and I don’t dispute that! I’m not a diet expert, however there are websites out there (some listed below) that do state though that a reduction of 500 calories does equal a loss of 1 pound of weight per week. These claims are challenged by the story at the time (stated by Speer and Beevor), which says that Zeitler lost 26 pounds in 2 weeks on a similar diet to Sixth Army, even though they should have been losing around 4 pounds a week by the 500 calorie deficit idea. So clearly 500 calories = 1 pound of weight loss per week, is probably incorrect.
Either way though, the troops in Sixth Army were severely malnourished by the time the battle ended. Existing on two and a half slices of bread, and some horse meat and cigarettes is not a particularly healthy diet to have.
I did make a few mistakes in the video regarding the numbers (mostly just mis-reads). It’s likely some will complain about this and use it as an example of me being “untrustworthy”. As I keep telling people, do your own research. Don’t just rely on mine. I encourage you to go out there and read the sources (listed below) and form your own conclusions. You should see my videos as an introduction to the topic, not as the start and end of it.
Links
Link to my “Why Germany Lost the War - Oil” video https://youtu.be/kVo5I0xNRhg
Link to my “The BIG Stalingrad Airlift Myth” video https://youtu.be/feeYOqQkr3M
Link to my “Paulus’s 6th Army ORDER OF BATTLE - Before Stalingrad” video https://youtu.be/DCDjAqTUCmw
Link to my ‘Stalingrad’ video playlist with lots of Stalingrad-related videos https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNSNgGzaledhLd1zG3MeeRSbIei6lHhxO
Please consider supporting me on Patreon and help make these videos as good as they can be https://www.patreon.com/TIKhistory
Selected Sources (Sauces!)
Beevor, A. “Stalingrad.” Penguin Books, 1999.
Collingham, L. “The Taste of War, World War Two and the Battle for Food.” Penguin Books, 2011.
Forczyk, R. “Demyansk 1942-43, the Frozen Fortress.” Osprey Publishing Group, 2012.
Glantz, D. House, J. “The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 3. Endgame at Stalingrad Book Two: December 1942-February 1943.” University Press of Kansas, 2014.
Hayward, J. “Stopped at Stalingrad: The Luftwaffe and Hitler’s Defeat in the East 1942-1943.” University Press of Kansas, 1998.
“Germany and the Second World War: Volume VI/II, The Global War.” Militärgeschichtliches Forschungsamt (Research Institute for Military History) Potsdam, Germany. Oxford University Press, 2015.
Calories come from the back of a pack of Warburtons Bread, plus several websites listed below.
NHS Website “What should my daily intake of calories be?” 13/10/2016, accessed 20/03/2018. https://www.nhs.uk/chq/pages/1126.aspx?categoryid=51
HealthLine Website “How Many Calories Should You Eat Per Day to Lose Weight?” Accessed 20/03/2018. https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/how-many-calories-per-day?floorType=lowestByBidder
Thanks for weight watching, rye for now
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Timestamps + Links + Notes + Biography/Sources
00:00 Hook
01:09 Introduction
02:20 Part 1: The Age of Oil
06:12 Part 2: Crisis 1940-41
11:28 Part 3: Decision to Invade the Soviet Union
17:13 Part 4: Heading to Moscow?
24:40 Part 5: 1942 - The Last Chance
31:37 Part 6: No Economic Collapse 1943-1945
33:52 Part 7: Hitler’s ‘Stand Fast’ Orders!
39:56 Part 8: Dunkirk
44:20 Conclusion
As a follow up to this video, I highly recommend the Toprani video “Oil and Grand Strategy: Great Britain and Germany, 1918--1941” which can be found here - https://youtu.be/RgxEBGAXNRU
Also check out my BIG Stalingrad Airlift Myth video if you haven’t seen it already https://youtu.be/feeYOqQkr3M
And my “filthy detailed and super accurate” WW2 ‘Battlestorm’ documentaries https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNSNgGzaledgHIszXQVDreX-ZC1Xejf9Y
Next Battlestorm Documentary will be Operation Crusader 1941-1942 and I am still working on my Stalingrad Documentary (research from March 2017-present).
Please consider supporting me on Patreon and help make these videos as good as they can be https://www.patreon.com/TIKhistory And thank you again to all my Patreons - you guys are awesome! Special mention goes to Richard Stokes for providing several articles about this topic (listed below) as well as supporting my on Patreon. Thank you Richard!
Notes and Additions :
German tank numbers come from Enduring the Whirlwind.
Peiper driving over mines comes from Page 351 in Snow & Steel.
From Too Little Too Late by Hayward - “...on 21 November, [Göring] presided over an oil conference in Berlin. Maikop, which had yet to produce oil for Axis troops (and never would, except a few dribbles), remained at the forefront of his mind. "I'm fed up," he exclaimed. "Months have passed since we captured the first oil wells, yet we still aren't getting any benefit."29 He astounded his audience of technical experts when, referring to the concrete plugs dropped down the bores, he naively demanded to know: "Can't you just drill them out with something like a gigantic corkscrew?"
This was the same conference where Göring was when Jeschonnek indicated to Hitler (who was then convinced this was the right course of action) that the Sixth Army could be supplied by air at Stalingrad.
The situation was so bad for Germany that their tank training schools were forced to use gas-powered tanks. See this website for more details - http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/nazi_germany/gas-powered-fahrschulwanne-tanks.php
The term “Revisionist Historian” makes no sense. A historian should question every source he reads, weighing up the reliability of each source, and looking for biases. This applies to both primary, secondary, and tertiary sources. If you do not do this, you are a bad historian. People are using the term as a weapon against those who are questioning the “traditional narratives” of history. The problem isn’t that historians and history buffs are questioning the old out-of-date narratives (because that’s what historians are supposed to do when new evidence or new perspectives comes to light) but that some people think that the old narratives were somehow indisputably correct and are completely unwilling to consider new evidence, claiming that it’s “biased” or “propaganda”. I have news for you: all evidence is biased and the old narratives are equally filled with propaganda. This is why you should not completely trust any source and be willing to change your opinion when new evidence emerges. Evidence and new sources are constantly being discovered or reconsidered that will have an impact on the “accepted” narrative. This is good! This is what’s meant to happen. If this doesn’t happen, then we’re not doing history right.
Selected Biography
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Caddick-Adams, P. “Snow and Steel: The Battle of the Bulge 1944-45.” Arrow Books, 1988.
Citino, R. “Death of the Wehrmacht: The German Campaigns of 1942.” University Press of Kansas, 2007.
“Germany and the Second World War Volume IV/I: The Attack on the Soviet Union.” Oxford University Press, 2015. [Referred to as the “German Official History” in the video.]
Fritz, S. “Ostkrieg: Hitler’s War of Extermination in the East.” University Press of Kentucky. 2011.
Hayward, J. “Stopped at Stalingrad: The Luftwaffe and Hitler’s Defeat in the East 1942-1943.” University Press of Kansas, 1998.
Guderian, H. “Panzer Leader.” Penguin Books, 2000.
Kershaw, I. “Hitler: Nemesis 1936-1945.” Penguin Books, 2001.
Liedtke, G. “Enduring the Whirlwind: The German Army and the Russo-German War 1941-1943.” Helion & Company, 2016.
Manstein, E. “Lost Victories.” Zenith Press, 2004.
Overy, R. “Why the Allies Won.” Pimlico Edition, 2006.
Shirer, W. “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.” Pan Books, 1960.
Stahel, D. “Operation Barbarossa and Germany’s Defeat in the East (Cambridge Military Histories).” Cambridge University Press: 1st Edition, Kindle Edition, 2009.
Tooze, A. “Wages of Destruction: The Making & Breaking of The Nazi Economy.” Penguin Books, 2007.
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Hayward, J. “Too Little Too Late.” From Journal of Military History 64 (July 2000): 769-94.
Toprani, A. “Oil and Grand Strategy: Great Britain and Germany, 1918-1941.” PhD Dissertation. Georgetown University, 2012.
Toprani, A. “The First War for Oil: The Caucasus, German Strategy, and the Turning Point of the War on the Eastern Front, 1942.” From The Journal of Military History 80 (July 2016): 815-854.
Toprani, A. “Germany’s Answer to Standard Oil: The Continental Oil Company and Nazi Grand Strategy, 1940-1942.” From the Journal of Strategic Studies 37 (December 2014): 949-973.
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A couple of notes:
First, if you’ve read books on this topic from the 1960s and 70s that contradict what I mentioned in this video, you should know that many of the books from that era were flat out wrong. In fact, historian Goodrick-Clarke states this in the opening of his book (The Occult Roots of Nazism). He states while there are a couple of exceptions, most of the authors were writing sensational nonsense just to sell books, so I would disregard them and read a more up-to-date book instead.
And this leads to my second point. I would like to clarify my book recommendation that I stated at the end of the video. Most of the references in the video were from Goodrick-Clarke’s “The Occult Roots of Nazism” and that’s with good reason! It’s a great book on the topic, and while it is academic in nature (which might put people off), I still think it should be your first choice unless you really insist on reading something lighter. If you prefer an easier read, then Hale’s “Himmler’s Crusade” is the book you should get. And Anthony’s “The Horse, the Wheel, and Language” is only on the Proto-Indo-European history NOT the Nazis, but is really interesting in its own right if you want to dive into the Ancient Aryans.
Finally, I should point out that this is not a sponsored video or post; I’ll only ever recommend books for people to do their own follow-up reading if I genuinely think the book is worth picking up, and in this case I think these three are. This video is also not monetized and doesn’t have adverts on it because YouTube’s “Community” Guidelines are deliberately vague on what “controversial topics” are or aren’t. So this video could only have been made possible thanks to my Patreons and SubscribeStars. Therefore I’d like to say a BIG THANK YOU once again to all of your who have chosen to support my work. You guys are awesome!
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I’ve replaced my original pinned comments in BOTH videos because people either ignored them completely (pinned comments is where I list my sources, not the description as many of you claimed) or because I wanted to address many of the criticisms that people had about these videos. Since comments can only be so long, I’ve had to split this into sections. So please make sure you check out the comments below this one. Sources will be listed in the following post, as are links to a couple of videos etc.
First of all, the National Socialist economy and society in Germany was absolutely not capitalist (no matter how much people scream at me that it is). After crushing imports and exports in 1933-1934 in order to promote Autarky and rearmament, party officials were basically in every shop and business, providing them with goods or foreign currency, and dictating policy etc. On top of this, Autarky crushed imports and exports, causing the end of trade, helping to isolate Germany from the globalized economy. All this caused a massive economic crisis in 1934, but to quote Tooze's Wages of Destruction -
"...in practice the Reichsbank and the Reich Ministry of Economic Affairs had no intention of allowing the radical activists of the SA, the shopfloor militants of the Nazi party or Gauleiter commissioners to dictate the course of events. Under the slogan of the 'strong state', the ministerial bureaucracy fashioned a new national structure of economic regulation." - P112
"It would be absurd to deny the reality of this shift. The crisis of corporate capitalism in the course of the Great Depression did permanently alter the balance of power. Never again was big business to influence the course of government in German as directly as it did between the outbreak of World War I in 1914 and the onset of the Depression in 1929. The Reich's economic administration, for its part, accumulated unprecedented powers of national economic control." - P113
And this was 1934. So this was absolutely not capitalism. And if it's heavy state intervention, with a planned centralized economy, without being capitalism, what could it be?
A commenter critical of what I was saying (Adrian Mahon) said that my definition of socialism was wrong, and that - "It's about power relationships and shifting these to the workers"
Ok, I absolutely agree with what he’s saying there. From an ideological perspective of what was defined by Marx, that's a fair assessment. And I don't disagree - I never have done. But, there's an issue with this definition historically. And people have given other definitions (revolutionary vs non-revolutionary, “seizing the means of production” etc). In fact, socialism doesn’t have “one” definition because as Evans wrote -
“When an intellectual historian reads Hobbes’s Leviathan or Marx’s Das Kapital, it is not in order to use their writings to reconstruct something outside them, but in order to construct an interpretation of what they mean or meant. There are indeed many interpretations of these thinkers’ ideas, not least because the systems of thought Hobbes and Marx established were so wide-ranging that they never became completely closed.” - Evans, R. “In Defence of History.” Granta Books, Kindle.
So, let’s not pretend that socialism is a fixed definition. Now, some of you also have this concern -
"We are seeing a rise of fascism; to 'revise' the meaning of socialism plays to a particular audience that (I'm hoping) you don't want." - Adrian Mahon.
I agree, and I absolutely don't want to see a rise in fascism or National Socialism. I cannot stress this enough. I've already said a couple videos back that I'm doing a Holocaust documentary because I'm sick to death of people preaching Holocaust (and Holodomor) denial. It's sickening. So, do not think I'm at all promoting either ideology. Several people claimed I was ‘redefining socialism’ so I could deny the Holocaust. No idea where that came from. And actually, by saying that National Socialism wasn't socialism - this actually plays into the National Socialist and denialist hands. Now, at first you might think - why? Well, let me explain with a bit of history -
Hitler genuinely believed in his version of 'socialism', and thought it was a form of 'socialism'. It doesn't matter if you think that it's socialism or not at this point, just run with it. So, when Hitler comes to power in 1933, he 'socialized' the German economy by removing the Jewish influence from government etc and imposes his version of 'socialism'. And this actually caused an economic crisis by 1934 as a result. This was due to Autarky and armaments spending (see the previous quotes in my above comment which are linked to this).
With the 'socialization' of the people, he removed Jews from society, and heavily restricted trade, ending capitalism. And he geared up for war. Military spending was less than 1% of the budget in 1933, and was 10% in 1935. This was “- a bigger and quicker increase than ever seen before in peacetime in a capitalist state.” from Rees, L. “The Holocaust: A New History.” Penguin Books, 2017. Page 92.
Now, why would he do this? Is it just for military conquest? Or is there some sort of underlying motive?
And yes, there's an underlying motive. Going back to Mein Kampf, what he see is his version of Nationalism (which is entwined with his 'socialism'). As a brief explanation - he thought that the species shouldn't mix breeds. And that Aryan peoples built nations. However, the reason he thinks nations collapsed in the past had nothing to do with war etc; it was all because the Aryans interbred with the lesser races. In Hitler's mind, the dilution of Aryan blood would weaken the race, and bring down the nation. Yes, complete lunacy, but there's little doubt he thought this.
And he honestly thought that the Jews were the absolute worse race, and the fact they didn't have a nation of their own (at the time) proved his theory right. In Mein Kampf, Hitler says that the Jews were like parasites who would latch onto Aryan nations and dilute Aryan blood with their own blood by interbreeding. Therefore Hitler thought that the Jews had to be removed from society to prevent the Aryan German blood from being diluted, and thus causing the downfall of the German race.
However, there's the Marxist problem too. In Hitler's mind, the Jews were championing Marxism. The reason was stated as: if they made everything equal and classless, this would give the Jews the best chance to interbreed with everyone and thus bring about the fall of humanity. Yes, it's ridiculous, but that's where he went with it.
So, you can see why he hated Bolshevism so much. He thought that international communism would allow the Jews to destroy the Aryan races. He therefore decided to take action and beat the Jews before they beat the Aryans. This is why he wanted to go East. He viewed the Slavs as slaves owned by the Jews. But if they conquered the Soviet Union, rid the Jews from society, the Slavs would serve the master German Aryans for a 1,000 years.
Now, Adrian Mahon said "Can we agree agree on what 'socialist' means (hint: it's not state intervention). It's about power relationships and shifting these to the workers" Ok, but let's look at what Hitler thought for a moment.
Hitler thought that 'socialism' was about power relationships too. The difference was that he thought the way to solve the issue wasn't by having the workers rise up. But actually by removing the Jews. (I know this isn't socialism as Marx defined it, but stick with me for a bit longer) If he removed the Jews, then the power relationships wouldn't happen. The Aryan race would all work together as a collective to better the German nation - the elites would help their fellow men, and the workers could rise to the top. Hitler does say that the ladder still exists because individuals should be able to climb up if they're better than others. That would actually help the race because supposedly the better elements of the race would rise upwards. (And you do have quite a bit of social movement in the National Socialist era of Germany, so it's not completely correct to say he was just saying this stuff.)
Now, this Hitler-version of 'socialism' is actually mixed with his Nationalism. Hitler redefined this to mean that the state was the absolute embodiment of the race (his 'Nationalism'). However, the two are intermixed. You can't have one without the other. The state/people need to remove the Jews, and the state/people need to work together. Now, if you keep this idea in mind - that the Nationalism and the Socialism element are equal and the same - look what happens when we consider the history of the time:
When you think of the trains taking people to the forced labour camps, the concentration camps, the death camps etc, what you have to remember is that, this absolutely wasn't free-market forces doing this. This was a systematic industrial mass-killing, controlled by the state (hence my "intervention in economy and society" bit), and I would absolutely argue that this could not have happened to this extent in a free-market capitalist economy. How would a business market "Murder of Racial Minorities on a Mass Scale" in any capitalist society? It just wouldn't happen to this extent. Yeah, you have persecutions and murder during wartime etc, but not mass-industrial-scale-murder.
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It was my birthday last week so I fancied a change of pace with this video. Plus, I still get comments every day saying that Manstein didn’t lie ( https://youtu.be/uzAzpIdDNcI ) and that I absolutely have to listen to what the German generals said because they were there and know what happened, whereas I wasn’t there and didn’t know what happened. Ok then… we’ll go along with what Manstein said 100% and see where we end up.
Also I’ll be honest, Wesley asked this question several months ago, and I only realised last week that I had completely missed his question out (I’m really sorry Wesley). So this was a very quick last-minute video, which is why I didn’t go into the super-detail (divisional level) which I think Wesley wanted. That said, I’m currently working on Battlestorm Stalingrad behind the scenes, and I absolutely want to do the Third Battle of Kharkov as a Battlestorm series after that, because then that will lead nicely to the Battle of Kursk. So if you’re wanting me to go into great detail on it, start demanding that I hurry up with Stalingrad.
And just to be clear, the sarcasm in the video is not directed towards Wesley, but is directed towards the idea that the Third Battle of Kharkov was a “miracle”. I’m not convinced that you can trust what the German generals (or any generals) by what they claim at all. The number of German troops was more than often stated, the number of Soviet troops was less than implied, and the Red Army was stretched thin and exhausted after months of advancing. The Soviet divisions were depleted, running out of ammunition and fuel, and weren’t concentrated. The Germans struck at the very moment the Red Army offensive was on the verge of coming to a halt anyway, and they had air superiority. Manstein had gathered substantial forces (either fresh or experienced) for his attack, and hit the Soviets in the flanks. They took on the Red Army in pieces rather than all in one go, and they only took a small amount of territory. If you call taking back a couple of miles after losing 100 miles a “miracle” then I guess this really was a great victory for the Wehrmacht.
Sources
Glantz, D. "After Stalingrad: The Red Army's Winter Offensive 1942-43." Helion & Company, Kindle 2011.
Glantz, D. “Colossus Reborn: The Red Army at War, 1941-1943.” University Press of Kansas, 2005.
Glanz, D. "From the Don to the Dnepr: Soviet Offensive Operations December 1942-August 1943." Routledge, Kindle 2013.
Glantz, D. House, J. “The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 1. To the Gates of Stalingrad. Soviet-German Combat Operations, April-August 1942.” University Press of Kansas, 2009.
Glantz, D. House, J. “The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 2. Armageddon in Stalingrad: September-November 1942.” University Press of Kansas, 2009.
Glantz, D. House, J. “The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 3. Endgame at Stalingrad Book One: November 1942..” University Press of Kansas, 2014.
Glantz, D. House, J. “The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 3. Endgame at Stalingrad Book Two: December 1942-February 1943.” University Press of Kansas, 2014.
Glantz, D. “When Titan’s Clashed.” University Press of Kansas, 2015.
Manstein, E. “Lost Victories.” Zenith Press, 2004.
Melvin, M. “Manstein: Hitler’s Greatest General.” Orion, Kindle 2010.
Zeimke, E. “From Stalingrad to Berlin: The Illustrated Edition.” Pen & Sword, Kindle 2014.
A full list of all my WW2 and related books can be found here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
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It would be almost impossible for me to cover events on the Eastern Front without talking about the regimes and the atrocities. For example, ~180,000 civilians at Stalingrad alone are shipped off to the slave labour camps in the Reich. This is part of the battle, it is part of the Axis-Soviet War, and it’s something that cannot be ignored. The reason Hitler wanted to go East in the first place is all tied into this, so this was a topic I was going to end up discussing at some point anyway.
That said, the hateful comments and downvotes on my videos (both recent and historic) have spurred me to move in this direction early. I can confirm that the battles and campaigns will absolutely remain the priority for this channel. And only on occasions will videos be on these topics in particular. However, I will now cover them.
My goal is not to persuade denialists or far-right and far-left commenters to change their minds (I’m fully aware that some people would rather believe in fiction or belief, than reality). The point is to make people conscious of the problem, and to not get suckered into believing in a distorted view of history. And I’m fairly certain that a good portion of you reading these words right now have read up on the subject, or are not falling for their tricks. And that’s fine. But there are also people reading this who, for various reasons, do not know, are not so widely read, and who may have the seed of doubt planted already or in the future. And I don’t want any of you sliding into the extreme denialist camp.
So when I do create these videos, I want to produce highly detailed documentaries (as usual) so everyone can learn from them. But I also want to provide videos where we can assure people who maybe do have doubts, or are on the fence, that the views they’re hearing from the denialists are incorrect.
As mentioned in the video, here is a link to the +300 page document by a British Judge against David Irving making clear all the distortions that Irving made in his book http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/i/irving-david/judgment-00-00.html
To take one quote from it -
“13.51 For the reasons which I have given, I find that in most of the instances which they cite the Defendants' criticisms are justified. In those instances it is my conclusion that, judged objectively, Irving treated the historical evidence in a manner which fell far short of the standard to be expected of a conscientious historian. Irving in those respects misrepresented and distorted the evidence which was available to him.”
Video Links
The Alt Right Control YouTube https://youtu.be/583X6DGjits (mirror) https://youtu.be/LtHNmV-Wtbs
Behind the lies of Holocaust denial | Deborah Lipstadt https://youtu.be/0ztdofPc8Rw
Confronting Holocaust Denial: A Strategy https://youtu.be/1CLKptQmUR8
"History on Trial: My Day in Court with David Irving," Deborah Lipstadt, 9/14/2005 https://youtu.be/t7zSR7BGbuQ (note the number of downvotes)
The Origins of Mass Killing: the bloodlands hypothesis https://youtu.be/fXrqGlgufCA
What Do We Know About the Holodomor: New Research Results https://youtu.be/3k5ScxnpQrg (this video actually has timestamps!)
Potsdam Agreement Lecture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ft4Tb_k1NI
Questions answered in the video
[Mario] What are the most ridiculous and/or hilarious conspiracy theories you have heard of around WW2?
[Jen] Have you thought about doing a detailed debunking video on Holocaust Denial? It's started to become more and more common, and their arguments are just patently false, but no one is actually taking the time to debunk their lies in detail.
[Kirin] 1) will we see more social history? 2) I feel even distorians David Irving and the anarcho-Stalinist Grover Furr have their place because in their desire to defend indefensible positions they uncover a lot of important and before unseen documents. How do you feel about that? 3) will we see things on the Communist Partys role in the Soviet defence structure? How about the Nazis in the occupation one? This is partially social history but it interests me. It both would disprove the Clean Wehrmacht myth but also show us what the Party was doing things like organizing Partisans and the like.
[Craig] - We see in the American army segregated troops black/white. Did the Soviets have any such qualms regarding their far eastern soldiers? I know they persecuted Volga Germans and forcibly migrated them eastwards. Was similar action taken elsewhere?
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If you did ‘marathon’ this video (watch it all the way through in one go) you get the right to boast about it in the comment section! The script for this video was ~84,300 words.
YOUTUBE SUBTITLE ISSUE - I spent 8 hours wrestling with technical glitches whilst trying to put subtitles into this video. Every time I “saved” the subtitles, some sentences would be replaced by random other subtitles, and it was almost impossible to edit anything due to extremely heavy jittering and stuttering on the subtitle editing page. It’s definitely because of the length of the video. If you want to see this series with subtitles, please check out the individual Crusader videos, which do have subtitles.
I’ve fixed numerous minor issues, added a few bits, and pieced everything together as neat as possible. Didn’t get everything right though, mainly because I actually ran out of time getting this video prepared, so it is what it is. At 01:52:00 I forgot to change “battleships” to “warships” because the Italians were using warships to ship supplies.
Many were asking me to show more of the logistical side of the battle, but the sources simply don’t allow it. Many were asking about the air-war, and all I can say that this was a battle fought in winter, and so the aircraft were grounded fairly often. And even when they weren’t, the confusing mess of the battle prevented them from intervening as often as they would have liked. Air power therefore played a minor role in this battle overall.
People have stated over and over that I should have put front lines in this video. But that’s the point - THERE WERE NO FRONT LINES IN THE BATTLE. There was just total confusion. Imagine blobs of units moving around and you’ve got a more accurate representation of the situation.
Chapter 7 - 15th Panzer Division’s clash with 4th Armoured Brigade - I’m fairly confident I have the 4th Armoured Brigade’s and 8th Panzer Regiment’s correct, however I don’t have any information about the position of their battalions. I’m fairly confident with the British battalion positions, but the German battalions could be in an incorrect order.
British tank loss statistics for the 27th of November 1941 -
7th Armoured Brigade Tanks at start = 165 Remaining tanks = 28. Losses so far 137 (83%)
4th Armoured Brigade Tanks at start = 141. Remaining tanks = ~97. Losses so far ~44 (31%)
22nd Armoured Brigade Tanks at start = 155. Remaining tanks = ~100. Losses so far ~55 (35%)
Total tanks in 7th Armoured Division at start = 461. Remaining tanks ~225 (source says 209). Losses so far ~236 (~51%)
It’s worth noting that 21st New Zealand Battalion is from the 5th New Zealand Brigade but cooperated with 6th New Zealand Brigade at Sidi Rezegh. 27th New Zealand Machine Gun Battalion was not assigned to any brigade, but was a separate unit in the division, and cooperated with 19th Battalion. And yes, the Maori flag wasn’t used at the time, but I think it looks cool and I wanted to distinguish the unit (there’s nothing else to it than that).
The picture I used for the Afrika Division wasn't actually Sümmermann, but a guy from the division. The reasoning was because I wanted to make the division look unique, but didn't have a good picture of Sümmermann (still don't). I realise now that that was a mistake and I should have just left it blank because people missed me saying why I used that picture and people think it's him. I've learnt my lesson though and won't be doing that sort of thing again, however I decided to keep him in this ‘Complete’ video for continuity.
Anyone disagreeing with me about the Pienaar situation should check out my in-depth video on the Pienaar Debate (link in the description).
Yes, “Adolf Hitler” is a genuine Patreon of mine. Clearly it’s a joke, but whoever it is is supporting the channel, so I’m not removing him from the list. I know there’s a “Patreon Crisis” at the minute (and I support anyone who doesn’t want to support me through Patreon), but if you enjoyed the video and want to help me make more, please consider supporting me on Patreon. It is my Patreons who make these videos possible! https://www.patreon.com/TIKhistory Again, thank you to my Patreons! You made this possible because YOU ARE AWESOME!
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If you want to read more on this battle, I highly recommend Pitt’s “The Crucible of War: Auchinleck’s Command. The Definitive History of the Desert War.” Pitt’s series is definitely the best volume to pick up out of all the books, although I’d obviously suggest you read a few of the others too. But if you can only pick up one, Pitt’s series is the the one I recommend.
Agar-Hamilton, J. & Turner, L. “The Sidi Rezeg Battles 1941.” Oxford University Press, 1957.
Barnett, C. “The Desert Generals.” Kindle, 2nd Edition.
Becket, I. “Rommel: A Reappraisal.” Pen & Sword Ltd, Kindle, 2013.
Bierman, J. & Smith, C. “Alamein: War Without Hate.” Penguin Books, 2003.
Butler, D. “Field Marshal: The Life and Death of Erwin Rommel.” Casemate Publishers, 2015.
Cappellano, F. “Italian Medium Tanks: 1939–45.” New Vanguard, Kindle.
Ford, K. “Operation Crusader 1941: Rommel in Retreat.” Osprey Publishing, 2010.
Harrison, M. "The Economics of World War II: Six Great Powers in International Comparison." Cambridge University Press, Kindle 2005.
Kitchen, M. “Rommel’s Desert War: Waging World War II in North Africa, 1941-1943.” Cambridge University Press, 2009.
Kurowski, F. “Das Afrika Korps: Erwin Rommel and the Germans in Africa, 1941-43.” Stackpole Books, 2010.
Macintyre, B. "SAS: Rogue Heroes." Penguin Random House, Kindle 2016.
Mellenthin, F. "Panzer Battles." Spellmount, 2013.
Mitcham, S. Hitler’s Legions: German Army Order of Battle, World War II. Leo Cooper, 1985.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume One: 1st-290th Infantry Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Two: 291st-999th Infantry Divisions, Named Infantry Divisions, and Special Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Three: Panzer, Panzer Grenadier, and Waffen SS Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “Rommel’s Desert War: The Life and Death of the Afrika Korps.” Stackpole Books, Kindle, 2007.
Mortimer, G. "Kill Rommel! Operation Flipper 1941." Osprey Publishing, Kindle 2014.
Nafziger, G. “The Afrika Korps: An Organizational History 1941-1943.” 1997.
Nash, N. “Strafer Desert General: The Life and Killing of Lieutenant General WHE Gott.” Pen and Sword Books Ltd, Kindle Edition, 2013.
Pitt, B. “The Crucible of War: Auchinleck’s Command. The Definitive History of the Desert War.” Cassell & Co, 2001.
Playfair, I. The Mediterranean and Middle East, Volume II, The Germans come to the Help of their Ally [1941]. The Naval & Military Press LTD, 1956.
Playfair, I. The Mediterranean and Middle East, Volume III, British Fortunes reach their Lowest Ebb [September 1941 to September 1942]. The Naval & Military Press LTD 1960. Ed. 2004.
Rees, L. “The Holocaust: A New History.” Penguin Books, 2017. (yes)
Smart, N. “Biographical Dictionary of British Generals of the Second World War.” Kindle.
Stewart, A.”The Early Battles of Eighth Army: ‘Crusader’ to the Alamein Line 1941-1942.” Lee Cooper Books, 2002.
Zapotoczny, W. "The Italian Army In North Africa: A Poor Fighting Force or Doomed by Circumstance." Fonthill Media Limited, 2018.
Bender, R.J., & Law, R.D., “Uniforms, Organization and History of the Afrikakorps.” R.J.Bender, Publisher, USA, 1973. PDF: “German Kampfgruppe In North Africa 1941 through 1943”.
Jim, H. “Axis Forces in Libya (September, 1941).” FEBRUARY 17, 2010. http://www.comandosupremo.com/Libya1941.html
Moore, G. “Operation Crusader” (Order of Battle) http://gregpanzerblitz.com/Crusader.htm
German generals in Operation Crusader https://rommelsriposte.com/2009/02/03/i-have-a-son-in-russia/
300th Oasis Battalion https://rommelsriposte.com/2010/07/28/oasen-bataillon-z-b-v-300/
British and German Armour Piercing Rounds Penetration Statistics https://www.wwiivehicles.com/
Tobruk Breakout Positions. “The Crusader Project.” 7th September 2014. https://rommelsriposte.com/2014/09/07/making-sense-of-the-tobruk-breakout/
Maughan, B. & Gage, C. “Australia in the War of 1939–1945: Series One: Army
Volume 3 Tobruk and El Alamein.” Chapter 10, 2016. http://tothosewhoserved.org/aus/army/ausarm03/chapter10.html
Badia Garrison from “The British Capture of Bardia (December 1941 - January 1942): A Successful Infantry-Tank Attack (Information Bulletin No. 21, U.S. War Department, WWII)” http://www.lonesentry.com/bardia_intel/index.html As for the Sollum/Halfaya Garrison and Savona positions, I’ve tried to piece them together using various maps and forums online (mainly https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=177538 especially map at bottom of first page). I suspect the German positions are correct, but not sure on the Savona positions. If anyone has any more information, let me know.
The Official New Zealand History http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-corpus-WH2.html
Full list of all my WW2 and related books can be found here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
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It took me most of the week to render this video - so I hope you’re happy with it! The script was approximately 47,500 words long!
I corrected a handful of minor mistakes, but essentially 99% of it is the same as the stand-alone episodes. There was also major issues trying to get the front lines to render in parts 5 and 6, and I’ve not been able to correct the issue, so I’ve left those parts as they are. I was also ill when I recorded the 4th part of this video, so please forgive me for the lack of ‘energy’ in my voice in that episode.
The sources are vague and limited on this topic. But I did the best I could with what was available.
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I’ve also used some maps and information from http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/
A full list of all my WW2 and related books can be found here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
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History has been made today! If you like history, be sure to give the video a thumbs up!
As regular viewers will see, I do cover some parts in this video that I've mentioned in other videos. I'm assuming the viewer is new to my channel, and I'm bringing them up to speed. However, I've tried to present these parts a little differently so that regular viewers are getting additional information.
EDIT: Lots of people are commenting about the 53 degrees temperature on the 22nd of July 1942, saying it's too high. I've double checked, and Beevor definitely says 53 degrees in the sun on Page 87 of my edition of his "Stalingrad" book. He's quoting from Helmuth Groscurth, chief of staff of XI Army Corps, who recorded that temperature. It could still be a false reading, or Beevor/Groscurth may have got the numbers wrong, but that's what it says. See my Addendum video which discusses this https://youtu.be/9p_5viY7V4s
Some of you may have noticed that I’ve released this video half an hour earlier than usual (at 1630 hours rather than 1700 hours). The reason why I decided to do that is to emphasize the fact that this battle started earlier than many of the books and authors of this battle like to start it. For example, Wikipedia currently says that the Battle of Stalingrad started on the 23rd of August 1942. Well, once again, Wikipedia is wrong. The city fighting may have started then, and the German generals wanted to push the date back to then to push their narrative that this period of the battle wasn’t important, but the Battle of Stalingrad actually started in late July. Some Russian authors say it started as early as the 16th of July, but I’m starting it on the 21st which is roughly when the main fighting got going. The reason the German generals pushed it back into August will become blatantly clear in the first three videos of this series.
Also, without Glantz & House’s “Stalingrad” series of books, a video on this period of the battle would be impossible to create because (again) many authors miss this period of the fighting out. Glantz and House do not miss this period of the battle out. So if you’re looking for a great book to read about Stalingrad in even more detail than I can present in the videos, I’d highly recommend Glantz & House's "Stalingrad" book. If you’re not reading Glantz, you’re doing it wrong!
A big thanks goes to Historian Anton Joly, who helped with the research for this series - check out his YouTube channel “Stalingrad Battle Data” (link in the description)!
Another big thanks goes to my current Patrons, and my previous ones, who have supported me since 2017 which was when I first started doing the research for this Stalingrad series. Many many books have been purchased with their support, and the research is well over 400,000 words (I lost count). If you would like to see your name in the future videos of this series, please support my channel and make these videos happen. You can support me here https://www.patreon.com/TIKhistory or https://www.subscribestar.com/tikhistory
The first Season of this series will be three episodes (including this one), and the next two videos will be released on the 21st of October 2019 and the 4th of November 2019. After Season 1 I will then break from releasing Stalingrad videos to prepare for Season 2.
All sources relating to Stalingrad are listed in the “specific Battlestorm Stalingrad bibliography” link in the description!
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This video touches on many subjects which I couldn’t possibly go into fully today. However I will be coming back to many of these later for a more in-depth discussion. The thing to take away though is that the failure of the Blau Campaign results in a definite “turning point” in the war for several reasons. Hopefully by the end of the video, you will have a clearer picture as to why.
Another aspect which is touched on, but which perhaps needs further discussion (and its own video) is that of Hitler’s “madness”. Some claim Hitler was a madman, and that he should have listened to his generals. This actually stems from Halder and several other leading German generals who survived the war, who were trying to show that their dismissal from command positions within the army were not rational decisions because they were great generals. This view was made with the purpose of covering up their own mistakes or failures, and by saying Hitler was mad, gives them an excuse for being sacked which doesn’t say they were in-fact bad. What we have to remember is that, while the actions of the main players of this giant game (e.g. Hitler) may at first glance seem irrational, the reality was that these players were making rational decisions when placed within the context of the time. The problem with many accounts is that the actions made have not been placed in the wider context, and so they seem irrational to us in hindsight.
What I didn’t mention in this video was that the plans for Blau actually fell into the Soviet hands prior to the battle. But Stalin dismissed them as a deliberate ploy by the Germans to draw forces away from the Moscow area. Hitler though was not amused. This was the so-called “Reichel Affair”. And it further convinced Hitler that his generals were not obeying his orders, since Reichel shouldn’t have been in a plane with the full Blau plans anyway. Hitler dismissed the commander of the 23rd Panzer Division (where Reichel was from), plus his superior at 40th Motorized Corps, and his chief of staff. Halder wrote in his diary for the 24th of June 1942 -
“In OKW, which returned today, the campaign against the General Staff is in high gear again. The unfortunate Reichel affair (Ia, 23d Armoured Division) seems to have crystallized ill feelings of apparently long standing. We only have to brace ourselves now for the explosion.”
Again, a seemingly irrational decision. However, if we consider that Hitler had been at loggerheads with his generals for quite some time, it all makes sense. And if we consider that his generals were not considering the strategic picture (as mentioned in the video) then again, it adds weight to the idea that Hitler was actually making rational decisions. Hitler may have been evil, but he was not mad, nor stupid. He was on a whole making very good decisions - even better than his generals at times - and was frustrated when his generals failed to obey his commands because they were tunnel-visioned by training and philosophy into looking at the tactical or operational level. Again, given the context, it makes sense.
I absolutely recommend Citino’s “Death of the Wehrmacht” book, which goes into this campaign and the whole ‘traditional German way of war’ element. It’s a very well written book and good read for anyone interest in Blau or the German military in WW2.
Someone said last video that “Operation Blau” is actually “Fall Blau” or “Case Blue” and not an operation. However, while it’s name was Fall Blau, it was an operation, so for this reason, I use the term “Operation Blau” occasionally. But yes, technically it should be Fall Blau.
I also mistakenly say “1940” twice in the video rather than “1941”. This was purely a slip of the tongue.
Video Links
The MAIN Reason Why German Lost WW2 - OIL https://youtu.be/kVo5I0xNRhg
Why No German Reinforcements at Stalingrad? https://youtu.be/VQ3-TqeZqeA
Citino’s “Death of the Wehrmacht: The German Campaigns of 1942” https://youtu.be/UNDhswF1GKk
SELECTED SOURCES
Citino, R. “Death of the Wehrmacht: The German Campaigns of 1942.” University of Kansas, 2007.
Gerasimova, S. “The Rzhev Slaughterhouse: The Red Army’s Forgotten 15-Month Campaign against Army Group Center 1942-1943.” Helion & Company, Kindle, 2013.
Glantz, D. House, J. “The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 1. To the Gates of Stalingrad. Soviet-German Combat Operations, April-August 1942.” University Press of Kansas, 2009.
Halder, F. “The Halder War Diary 1939-1942.” Presidio Press, 1988.
Liedtke, G. “Enduring the Whirlwind: The German Army and the Russo-German War 1941-1943.” Helion & Company LTD, 2016.
Stahel, D. “Operation Barbarossa: Germany’s Defeat in the East.” Cambridge University Press, Kindle, 2010.
Toprani, A. “Oil and Grand Strategy: Great Britain and Germany, 1918-1941.” PhD Dissertation. Georgetown University, 2012.
Toprani, A. “The First War for Oil: The Caucasus, German Strategy, and the Turning Point of the War on the Eastern Front, 1942.” From The Journal of Military History 80 (July 2016): 815-854.
“Germany and the Second World War: Volume VI/II, The Global War.” Militärgeschichtliches Forschungsamt (Research Institute for Military History) Potsdam, Germany. Oxford University Press, 2015.
“Führer Directive 41” From: World War II Database site. https://ww2db.com/doc.php?q=419
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Hi all! Timestamps are available in the description, and subtitles are available. Some fun statistics: the video length is 2 hours 50 minutes, the script length is 27,318 words, contains 742 citations, from 57 sources, and the final render took 6 hours and 45 minutes. In total, all the files amount to 870 GBs of hard drive space.
This video has been in the works for the past 6 to 7 months, with my editor/animator (Gigz) deserving a big thank you for all her hard work! I also pulled an all-nighter last night to get it to you on time, so I really do hope you all enjoy it. A big thank you to Gigz, as well as Terri (who made the map and the thumbnail), and another a big THANK YOU to my Patreons and SubscribeStars for making this video possible.
For further reading, I highly recommend the series “The Crucible of War” by Barrie Pitt, which is probably the best all-round account of the North African Campaign. The South African “Crisis in the Desert” is another good book, but can be difficult to get a hold of, is biased towards Pienaar, and is a bit out of date. Playfair’s Official British History is also recommended, even if it’s out of date and biased towards Auchinleck. Carver’s “Dilemma’s of the Desert” is a necessary read if you’re interested in the debate about whether Ritchie “went rogue” in this battle or not. Forczyk’s “Desert Armour” is also a decent modern source for this battle and others.
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Despite the evidence given in the video, I have no doubt that some of you will still argue that the Germans couldn’t, or indeed, didn’t replace their losses suffered in 1941 by the summer of 1942. Some will probably complain that Germany was (by as early as 1942) at the bottom of the manpower barrel. But this was simply not the case. The following quote from Liedtke explains that Germany actually squandered her available manpower -
“Regardless of the heavy losses sustained over the previous year, the Wehrmacht as a whole had witnessed a net increase of about 1.1 million personnel by 1 July 1942. However, despite the urgency of defeating the Soviet Union as quickly as possible, which should have resulted in a ruthless prioritization towards meeting the needs of the Army, large consignments of personnel were still allocated to the Luftwaffe and the Kriegsmarine.” - Enduring the Whirlwind, Page 209
This, and the evidence presented in the video, points us firmly in the direction of mismanagement and poor staff-work. Germany had the manpower, but didn’t use it correctly.
Also to note, the Germans created an additional 22 divisions in 1942. This was at a time when their other divisions weren’t at full strength. This fact is often used as a point against the explain why they didn’t have enough manpower. In reality, with an almost 3,000 kilometer front, which was about to expand to 4,100 kilometers, Germany needed both to reinforce her existing divisions, and create more divisions. So to say that they were wrong to create 22 new divisions is the wrong conclusion to come too, especially when you consider some of these divisions were made from elements of other veteran divisions.
Either way, why is Army Group Centre being prioritised in terms of reinforcements over Army Groups A and B? This does not make any sense, regardless whether you agree or disagree with the manpower situation. I’d love to hear your thoughts so let me know.
If you would like book recommendations for further reading, the two books I suggest you pick up are Citino’s “Death of the Wehrmacht” and Liedtke’s “Enduring the Whirlwind” - both of which cover the Operation Blau period quite well.
Links
Citino’s lecture on the “Death of the Wehrmacht: The German Campaigns in 1942.” https://youtu.be/UNDhswF1GKk
My “Your Perception of the WW2 Eastern Front is Wrong” video https://youtu.be/B-ZHH770WLs
My “The Numbers Say it All | The Myth of German Superiority on the WW2 Eastern Front” video https://youtu.be/_7BE8CsM9ds
Another thank you goes out to my Patreons. If you would like to support me in creating these videos, please take a look at my Patreon page https://www.patreon.com/TIKhistory
Selected Sources/Bibliography
Citino, R. “Death of the Wehrmacht: The German Campaigns of 1942.” University of Kansas, 2007.
Glantz, D. House, J. “The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 1. To the Gates of Stalingrad. Soviet-German Combat Operations, April-August 1942.” University Press of Kansas, 2009.
Glantz, D. “When Titan’s Clashed.” University Press of Kansas, 2015.
Hayward, J. “Stopped at Stalingrad: The Luftwaffe and Hitler’s Defeat in the East 1942-1943.” University Press of Kansas, 1998.
Liedtke, G. “Enduring the Whirlwind: The German Army and the Russo-German War 1941-1943.” Helion & Company LTD, 2016.
“Germany and the Second World War: Volume VI/II, The Global War.” Militärgeschichtliches Forschungsamt (Research Institute for Military History) Potsdam, Germany. Oxford University Press, 2015.
Thanks for watching, and thanks for commenting!
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Hey everyone, I know it may not seem like it in the video, but I am, in fact, still ill. Never before have I been so tempted not to publish on a Monday. I thought I was getting better, but it got worse. I was only able to get this video done by fighting through the headaches. And because the parts I appeared on camera were short, I was able to clear my throat between them to make it appear like I wasn’t as ill as I actually was.
So I apologize that the video is so short, and not on “tanks”. And I also apologize for not having the list of Patreons and SubscribeStars in the video, but it’s too short to list it. I deliberately chose an easy question which I had already done the research for a while ago so that it was quick and easy to produce (“tanks” type content isn’t always easy to produce). Thank you Santtu Mäenpää for asking an easy question!
I’m still aiming to get Stalingrad out next week, but the headaches are bad. So if it’s not out on time, or there’s no video next week, you’ll know why.
Note: I know Santtu Mäenpää asked a slighty different question to the title of the video, but I thought I'd answer his question and this one too, since Hitler's opportunity to restore the monarchy reveals his views on the German monarchy.
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Clarification for 32:04. Some Hermeticists call the Christian God the ‘demiurgos’ (the Artisan), while others call the true immaterial God the ‘demiurgos’... you know, just to confuse us. Well, for the purposes of this video, the name isn’t important. What matters is that, as a Hermeticist, Marx is looking to overcome the ‘material’ God and get to the true ‘immaterial’ God. So if in doubt, just ignore where I said “and they call him the Demiurgos”.
While I did criticise Francis Wheen in the video, I actually found his book to be very in-depth, and would still recommend it for anyone interested in doing further reading. Jone’s book on Karl Marx is very apologetic and is, therefore, less of a priority. Kengor’s book (The Devil and Karl Marx) is good if you’re interested in the Christian perspective of this topic.
For any socialist or communist who has realised that there may be a problem with the Marxist or socialist ideology and would like further help in understanding the problem, I’d recommend the following books (in this order):
Muravchik’s “Heaven on Earth: The Rise and Fall of Socialism”.
Henry Hazlitt’s “Economics in One Lesson”.
Leonard Peikoff’s “The Cause of Hitler’s Germany”. (Yes, it is relevant.)
Thomas Sowell’s “Basic Economics”.
L.K. Samuels’s “”Killing History”.
Murray Rothbard’s “America’s Great Depression”.
Ludwig von Mises’s “Omnipotent Government”.
Ludwig von Mises’s “Socialism”.
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"This is exactly how the mainstream historians behave when it comes to the holocaust. Most famously, Deborahl Lipstadt, a star among the mainstream holocaust historians, is infamous for refusing to debate. Could it be that the mainstream "are in a bubble of their own ignorance because they refuse the debate." the holocaust?" - Bhigr Bond
@Bhigr Bond - The Holocaust happened, and I agree with Lipstadt over Irving. Irving manipulated the evidence to suit his agenda. He misquoted and claimed the sources said things when they didn't - and he did these things on a grand scale (see the book "Telling Lies about Hitler" by Evans). That's a BIG no no.
That said, I don't agree with the State-sponsored censorship (which, for Holocaust Denialism, exists in only ~17 countries out of ~196 countries around the world) because if Marxist Denialist Historians didn't deny Hitler's Socialism it wouldn't be necessary to suppress freedom of speech at all. But since they refuse to recognize Hitler's Socialism, they must also refuse to accept the ideological motivation for the Holocaust. This gives Holocaust Deniers and Nazis the opportunity to keep pushing their agenda, and the censorship gives them a further claim to legitimacy.
It also puts academic historians in a poor position to combat Holocaust Denialism because they're not directly debating with the Holocaust Denialists, and aren't willing to even consider what they're saying - seeing them as a joke. As a result, they don't know the Denialist arguments very well and are impotent in their counter-arguments against Denialism. So, for these reasons, while I do think people shouldn't be denying the Holocaust or denying any history for that matter, I also refuse to accept the idea that ANY argument should be outright censored.
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“Winston Churchill (who is talked of as the likely leader of a Fascisti party in England) says Fascism is the shadow of Bolshevism, and that if we must be ruled by one or the other, he would rather be ruled by Fascisti than by Bolshevik violence.” - Clare Sheridan, In Many Places, 1923
“If I had been an Italian, I am sure I should have been wholeheartedly with you from start to finish in your triumphant struggle against the bestial appetites and passions of Leninism. But in England we have not yet had to face this danger in the same deadly form. We have our own way of doing things. But that we shall succeed in grappling with Communism and choking the life out of it - of that I am absolutely sure… the great mass of the people love their country and are proud of its flag and history. They do not regard these as incompatible with a progressive advance towards social justice and economic betterment.” - Churchill, statement to Journalists in Rome on 20 Jan 1927
“The Roman genius impersonated in Mussolini, the greatest law-giver among living men, has shown to many nations how they can resist the pressures of Socialism and has indicated the path that a nation can follow when courageously led. With the Fascist regime, Mussolini has established a centre of orientation from which countries which are engaged in a hand-to-hand struggle with Socialism must not hesitate to be guided.” - Churchill Feb 1933
Although Italy had signed the Pact of Steel, Mussolini had told Hitler that Italy would not support Germany in their Invasion of Poland. At this point, Mussolini was trying to remain neutral, and Italy’s joining of the war on Hitler’s side was not necessarily guaranteed. Mussolini only joins the war on Hitler’s side when it appears that Germany is winning. If they had started losing, perhaps Mussolini may have remained neutral, or even possibly joined the Allies.
“One final point of similarity between Nazi and Soviet policies should be noted, although its meaning is far from clear. Both governments reorganized industry into larger units, ostensibly to increase state control over economic activity. The Nazis reorganized industry into 13 administrative groups with a large number of subgroups to create a private hierarchy for state control. The state therefore could direct the firms’ activities without acquiring direct ownership of enterprises. The pre-existing tendency to form cartels was encouraged to eliminate competition that would destabilize prices.” - Temin, P582-583
“In brief definition, Capitalism is the system by which capital used the Nation for its own purposes. Fascism is the system by which the Nation uses capital for its own purposes. Private enterprise is permitted and encouraged so long as it coincides with the national interests. Private enterprise is not permitted when it conflicts with national interests. Under Fascism private enterprise may serve but not exploit. This is secured by the Corporative System, which lays down the limits within which industry may operate, and those limits are the welfare of the Nation.” - Mosley, Fascism 100 Questions P22
Thoughts?
Sources
Recommended reading: Farrell’s “Mussolini: A New Life”.
(Note: many of these sources are in relation to the nature of Socialism, Nazism, Fascism, Capitalism, and Marxism in order to fully understand the differences, plus general economics and politics books. They’re not all specifically related to Mussolini alone.)
Aly, G. “Hitler’s Beneficiaries: How the Nazis Bought the German People.” Verso, 2016. (Original German 2005).
Barkai, A. “Nazi Economics: Ideology, Theory, and Policy.” Yale University Press, 1990.
Bel, G. "Against the mainstream: Nazi privatization in 1930s Germany." Universitat de Barcelona, PDF.
Birchall, I. “The Spectre of Babeuf.” Haymarket Books, 2016.
Bosworth, R. “Mussolini’s Italy: Life under the Dictatorship 1915-1945.” Penguin Books, Kindle 2006.
Brown, A. "How 'socialist' was National Socialism?" Kindle, 2015.
Engels, F “Socialism: Utopian and Scientific.” Written, 1880. Progress Publishers, 1970.
Evans, R. “The Coming of the Third Reich.” Penguin Books, Kindle 2004.
Dilorenzo, T. “The Problem with Socialism.” Regnery Publishing, Kindle 2016.
Farrell, N. "Mussolini: A New Life." Endeavour Press Ltd, Kinde 2015.
Feder, G. "The Programme of the NSDAP: The National Socialist German Worker's Party and its General Conceptions." RJG Enterprises Inc, 2003.
Feder, G. "The German State on a National and Socialist Foundation." Black House Publishing LTD, 2015.
Friedman, M. “Capitalism and Freedom: Fortieth Anniversary Edition.” university of Chicago, Kindle 2002. (originally published in 1962)
Grand, A. "Italian Fascism: It's Origins and & Development." University of Nebraska Press, 2000.
Geyer, M. & Fitzpatrick, S. "Beyond Totalitarianism: Stalinism and Nazism Compared." Cambridge University Press, Kindle 2009.
Hazlitt, H. “Economics in One Lesson: The Shortest & Surest Way to Understand Basic Economics.” Three Rivers Press, 1979. (originally published 1946)
Hibbert, C. “Mussolini: The Rise and Fall of Il Duce.” St Martin’s Press Griffin, 2008.
Joseph Goebbels and Mjölnir, Die verfluchten Hakenkreuzler. Etwas zum Nachdenken (Munich: Verlag Frz. Eher, 1932). (English translation)
Hobsbawm, E. "The Age of Extremes: 1914-1991." Abacus, 1995.
Hoppe, H. “A Theory of Socialism and Capitalism.” Kindle.
Hitler. A. “Mein Kampf.” Jaico Books, 2017.
Hitler, A. "Zweites Buch (Secret Book): Adolf Hitler's Sequel to Mein Kampf." Jaico Publishing House, 2017.
Kershaw, I. “Hitler: 1936-1945 Nemesis.” Penguin Books, 2001.
Kershaw, I. “Stalinism and Nazism: Dictatorships in Comparison.” Cambridge University Press, Kindle 2003.
Keynes, J. "National Self-Sufficiency," The Yale Review, Vol. 22, no. 4 (June 1933), pp. 755-769.
Marx, K. “Capital: A Critique of Political Economy: Volume I Book One: The Process of Production of Capital.” PDF of 1887 English edition, 2015.
Marx, K. “Capital: A Critique of Political Economy: Volume III Book One.” PDF of 1894, English edition, 2010.
Marx, K. “Capital: A Critique of Political Economy: Volume III Book One.” PDF, English edition, 2010. (Originally written 1894)
Marx, K. “Capital: A Critique of Political Economy: Volume III Book One.” Penguin Classics, Kindle edition. (Originally written 1894)
Mosley, O. "Fascism: 100 Questions Asked and Answered." Black House Publishing, Kindle 2019.
Muravchik, J. “Heaven on Earth: The Rise and Fall of Socialism.” Encounter Books, Kindle.
Mussolini, B. “The Doctrine of Fascism.” Kindle, Originally published in 1932.
Newman, M. “Socialism: A Very Short Introduction.” Kindle.
Luxemburg, R. “The Accumulation of Capital.” Routledge and Kegan Paul Ltd, 1951. (Originally written in 1913.)
Luxemburg, R. “The National Question” 1910.
Reimann, G. “The Vampire Economy: Doing Business under Fascism.” Kindle, Mises Institute, 2007. Originally written in 1939.
Siedentop, L. “Inventing the Individual: The Origins of Western Liberalism.” Penguin Books, Kindle.
Smith, A. “An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations.” Kindle.
Sowell, T. “Economic Facts and Fallacies: Second Edition.” Kindle.
Sowell, T. “The Housing Boom and Bust.” Kindle.
Spengler, O. “Prussianism and Socialism.” Isha Books, 2013. First Published 1920.
Temin, P. “Soviet and Nazi Economic Planning in the 1930s.” From The Economic History Review, New Series, Vol. 44, No. 4 (Nov., 1991), pp. 573-593 (21 pages). Jstor.
Tooze, A. “Wages of Destruction: The Making & Breaking of The Nazi Economy.” Penguin Books, 2007.
Zitelmann, R. “Hitler: The Politics of Seduction.” London House, 1999.
The American Economic Review, Vol. 1, No. 2, Papers and Discussions of the Twenty-third Annual Meeting (Apr., 1911), pp. 347-354
Sir Oswald Mosley | Interview | Thames Television | 1975 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNhF28fzN9I
(Accessed 04/10/2018)
https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Reichstagsbrandverordnung
http://home.wlu.edu/~patchw/His_214/_handouts/Weimar%20constitution.htm
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Weimar_constitution
http://www.zum.de/psm/weimar/weimar_vve.php
https://www.marxists.org/archive/fromm/works/1961/man/ch06.htm
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In response to someone yesterday, I don’t believe there’s a “grand conspiracy” going on in academia where historians are denying Hitler’s socialism. I do think that 99% of historians are not trained in economics, and do not understand what socialism is (the socialization of the means of production - read Mises’s “Socialism” for more info). And I do think that the majority of historians have been influenced by the Marxist narrative as a result of this ignorance of basic economics.
The Marxist-Socialists are denying Hitler’s socialism - Stalin himself painted National Socialism as the end-stage of capitalism, and modern Marxists say nothing is REAL socialism, not even Soviet socialism - so there is plenty of evidence that the Marxists themselves are pushing this particular agenda.
There’s obviously a lot more to National Socialist Holocaust Denialism than outright denying the entire Holocaust, and I will be covering more of this in the future. But once you grasp the ideological reasons for what the Deniers are doing and why, it becomes a lot easier to tackle them. By denying the Holocaust, they’re undermining the ideology of National Socialism itself - the very thing that they believe in. Saying the Holocaust didn’t happen is equivalent to saying Hitler wasn’t a racist and didn’t hate Jews. It’s simply ridiculous.
Many of the sources are listed because they prove that Hitler was a socialist. For more information about this, see my “The REAL Reason why Hitler HAD to start WW2” video (link in the description) and the follow-up “Why they don't tell you about Hitler's "Shrinking Markets" problem”.
Aly, G. “Hitler’s Beneficiaries: How the Nazis Bought the German People.” Verso, 2016. (Original German 2005).
Barkai, A. “Nazi Economics: Ideology, Theory, and Policy.” Yale University Press, 1990.
Bel, G. "Against the mainstream: Nazi privatization in 1930s Germany." Universitat de Barcelona, PDF.
Birchall, I. “The Spectre of Babeuf.” Haymarket Books, 2016.
Bosworth, R. “Mussolini’s Italy: Life under the Dictatorship 1915-1945.” Penguin Books, Kindle 2006.
Brown, A. "How 'socialist' was National Socialism?" Kindle, 2015.
Engels, F “Socialism: Utopian and Scientific.” Written, 1880. Progress Publishers, 1970.
Evans, R. “The Coming of the Third Reich.” Penguin Books, Kindle 2004.
Dilorenzo, T. “The Problem with Socialism.” Regnery Publishing, Kindle 2016.
Farrell, N. "Mussolini: A New Life." Endeavour Press Ltd, Kinde 2015.
Feder, G. "The Programme of the NSDAP: The National Socialist German Worker's Party and its General Conceptions." RJG Enterprises Inc, 2003.
Feder, G. "The German State on a National and Socialist Foundation." Black House Publishing LTD, 2015.
Friedman, M. “Capitalism and Freedom: Fortieth Anniversary Edition.” university of Chicago, Kindle 2002. (originally published in 1962)
Grand, A. "Italian Fascism: It's Origins and & Development." University of Nebraska Press, 2000.
Geyer, M. & Fitzpatrick, S. "Beyond Totalitarianism: Stalinism and Nazism Compared." Cambridge University Press, Kindle 2009.
Hazlitt, H. “Economics in One Lesson: The Shortest & Surest Way to Understand Basic Economics.” Three Rivers Press, 1979. (originally published 1946)
Hibbert, C. “Mussolini: The Rise and Fall of Il Duce.” St Martin’s Press Griffin, 2008.
Joseph Goebbels and Mjölnir, Die verfluchten Hakenkreuzler. Etwas zum Nachdenken (Munich: Verlag Frz. Eher, 1932). (English translation)
Hobsbawm, E. "The Age of Extremes: 1914-1991." Abacus, 1995.
Hoppe, H. “A Theory of Socialism and Capitalism.” Kindle.
Hitler. A. “Mein Kampf.” Jaico Books, 2017.
Hitler, A. "Zweites Buch (Secret Book): Adolf Hitler's Sequel to Mein Kampf." Jaico Publishing House, 2017.
Kershaw, I. “Hitler: 1936-1945 Nemesis.” Penguin Books, 2001.
Kershaw, I. “Stalinism and Nazism: Dictatorships in Comparison.” Cambridge University Press, Kindle 2003.
Keynes, J. "National Self-Sufficiency," The Yale Review, Vol. 22, no. 4 (June 1933), pp. 755-769.
Marx, K. “Capital: A Critique of Political Economy: Volume I Book One: The Process of Production of Capital.” PDF of 1887 English edition, 2015.
Marx, K. “Capital: A Critique of Political Economy: Volume III Book One.” PDF of 1894, English edition, 2010.
Marx, K. “Capital: A Critique of Political Economy: Volume III Book One.” PDF, English edition, 2010. (Originally written 1894)
Marx, K. “Capital: A Critique of Political Economy: Volume III Book One.” Penguin Classics, Kindle edition. (Originally written 1894)
Mises, L. "Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysis." Liberty Fund, 1981. 1969 edition (roots back to 1922).
Moorhouse, R. "The Devil's Alliance: Hitler's Pact with Stalin, 1939-1941." Random House Group, Ebook (Google Play) 2014.
Mosley, O. "Fascism: 100 Questions Asked and Answered." Black House Publishing, Kindle 2019.
Muravchik, J. “Heaven on Earth: The Rise and Fall of Socialism.” Encounter Books, Kindle.
Mussolini, B. “The Doctrine of Fascism.” Kindle, Originally published in 1932.
Newman, M. “Socialism: A Very Short Introduction.” Kindle.
Luxemburg, R. “The Accumulation of Capital.” Routledge and Kegan Paul Ltd, 1951. (Originally written in 1913.)
Luxemburg, R. “The National Question” 1910.
Reimann, G. “The Vampire Economy: Doing Business under Fascism.” Kindle, Mises Institute, 2007. Originally written in 1939.
Siedentop, L. “Inventing the Individual: The Origins of Western Liberalism.” Penguin Books, Kindle.
Smith, A. “An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations.” Kindle.
Sowell, T. “Economic Facts and Fallacies: Second Edition.” Kindle.
Sowell, T. “The Housing Boom and Bust.” Kindle.
Spengler, O. “Prussianism and Socialism.” Isha Books, 2013. First Published 1920.
Temin, P. “Soviet and Nazi Economic Planning in the 1930s.” From The Economic History Review, New Series, Vol. 44, No. 4 (Nov., 1991), pp. 573-593 (21 pages). Jstor.
Tooze, A. “Wages of Destruction: The Making & Breaking of The Nazi Economy.” Penguin Books, 2007.
Young, Adam. "Nazism is Socialism." The Free Market 19, no. 9 (September 2001).
Zitelmann, R. “Hitler: The Politics of Seduction.” London House, 1999.
The American Economic Review, Vol. 1, No. 2, Papers and Discussions of the Twenty-third Annual Meeting (Apr., 1911), pp. 347-354
Hitler’s Confidential Memo on Autarky (August 1936) http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/pdf/eng/English61.pdf
Deficit Spending in the Nazi Recovery, 1933-1938: A Critical Reassessment http://personal.lse.ac.uk/ritschl/pdf_files/ritschl_dec2000.pdf
Sir Oswald Mosley | Interview | Thames Television | 1975 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNhF28fzN9I
(Accessed 04/10/2018)
https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Reichstagsbrandverordnung
http://home.wlu.edu/~patchw/His_214/_handouts/Weimar%20constitution.htm
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Weimar_constitution
http://www.zum.de/psm/weimar/weimar_vve.php
https://www.marxists.org/archive/fromm/works/1961/man/ch06.htm
https://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Inflation_in_Nazi_Germany
“A nation or territory considered as an organized political community under one government.” https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/state
Mises "Planned Chaos" (an excerpt from "Socialism: An Economic & Sociological Analysis) https://youtu.be/7EnHeZXLzTc
For a list of all my books on WW2 and similar, please visit this link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
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No guarantees, but I'm trying to get the first episode of Battlestorm Stalingrad out for next week. The editing is taking an absolute age to do, and I'm not sure I'll get it done in time. So it will either be next week, or the week after. Hope you're looking forward to it!
Specific Sources
Bormann, M. “Hitler’s Table Talk.” Ostara Publications, 2016.
Farrell, N. "Mussolini: A New Life." Endeavour Press Ltd, Kinde 2015.
Gentile, G. “Origins and Doctrine of Fascism: with Selections from Other Works.” Routledge, 2017.
Grand, A. "Italian Fascism: It's Origins and & Development." University of Nebraska Press, 2000.
Kleinfeld, G. & Tambs, L. "Hitler's Spanish Legion: The Blue Division in Russia in WWII." Stackpole Books, 1979.
Moradiellos, E. “Franco: Anatomy of a Dictator.” JCS Publishing Ltd, Kindle 2018.
Mosley, O. "Fascism: 100 Questions Asked and Answered." Black House Publishing, Kindle 2019.
Payne, S. "Franco and Hitler: Spain, Germany, and World War II." Yale University Press, 2008."
Muravchik, J. “Heaven on Earth: The Rise and Fall of Socialism.” Encounter Books, Kindle.
Mussolini, B. “The Doctrine of Fascism.” Kindle, Originally published in 1932.
Zitelmann, R. "Hitler: The Policies of Seduction." London House, 1999.
The Cambridge History of the Second World War. Volume II: Politics and Ideology." Cambridge University Press, 2017.
Full list of all my sources https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
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IMPORTANT: There will now be a gap of a few weeks before the next Season of 3 episodes comes out. I will be working on the script, more research, and then editing the videos behind the scenes. I know most of you will understand that all this takes time, but some people do not. So, to those of you who do not seem to grasp this: please do not complain that the next few weeks are not Battlestorm Stalingrad videos, or keep requesting that I “get on with it”. Next season’s script are simply not ready, and I’m already working a hell of a lot behind the scenes to get these videos out. I’m not “slacking”; it’s simply more complicated than clicking my fingers and having a Battlestorm video appear out of thin air, which apparently some people think is all I do.
Next Monday’s video will either be a Stalingrad Addendum video or another history video (I haven’t decided yet). An Addendum video will come soon though regardless.
Errors or issues in this episode -
When doing the subtitles, I realised that I hadn’t updated the front lines on the map at roughly 8 minutes in order to show the Kalach Pocket. Sorry about that.
Also I’m still struggling to say “Hoth”. Viewers have told me it’s not pronounced “Hoth”, but is pronounced as “Hot”. However, according to Forvo it’s pronounced something like “Hort” https://forvo.com/search/Hoth/ so I have no idea…
I did mention the ‘Gulags’ in this video, and there’s usually a couple of people who complain that they’re technically not called ‘Gulags’, because that was the system that got them there, not the camps themselves. Great. But I’m still calling them Gulags because that’s how they are known in the English speaking world, and I’m not calling them “The Soviet forced-labour or corrective labour camps” because that’s too unwieldy.
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Timestamps, Notes, Links, and Sources
00:00 Introduction
02:05 Context
04:15 Requirements at Stalingrad
06:51 Planes
11:12 Supply
13:57 Last Orders Please
23:37 Rations
26:30 Stalingrad vs Demyansk
29:17 Reason for Failure
Links
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Link to my “Why Germany Lost the War - Oil” video https://youtu.be/kVo5I0xNRhg
Link to my “The BIG Stalingrad Airlift Myth” video https://youtu.be/feeYOqQkr3M
Link to my “Paulus’s 6th Army ORDER OF BATTLE - Before Stalingrad” video https://youtu.be/DCDjAqTUCmw
Link to Military History Visualized’s video “Letters from Stalingrad” video https://youtu.be/ql-yeDWm04Q
Notes
The most amount of tons delivered to Demyansk in a single day was 544. The most tonnes delivered to Stalingrad in a single day was 258 (19th of December 1942).
They delivered 24,303 tons to Demyansk. Divide that by 82 and you get 296.37 tons per day. To compare this with Stalingrad, 6536.3 divided by 71, is 92 tons per day.
The figures for the number of tons that are shipped by the airlift varies on each and every source. I think this is because of numerous difference primary sources, plus the difference between ‘tons’ and ‘tonnes’. I didn’t mention this difference in the video because it’s makes things even more complicated. However, regardless of whether it’s tons or tonnes, the Luftwaffe was still not supplying enough on each of the days of the airlift.
Of course there are other issues - The Official German History of the War states that between the 18th and 22nd of December the 6th Army received roughly all the food it needed, stating that the amount flown in was 450 tonnes. But in the statistics table it provides, the number of food tonnes calculated brings us to 562.5 tonnes. Even if you take the three biggest days, 19th to 21st, this totals 509 tonnes, according to its own statistics!
In fact, some of the sources can’t even be sure how many days the airlift went on for, with some saying 71 days, and others saying 73. It was 71. The final day (72nd) they were parachuting supplies to the Soviets.
The highest figure I’ve come across for the amount of tons delivered to the Sixth Army was 8,500. The official German history states 6536.3, and lists the tons per day and also the amounts of tons for food, fuel, ammunition and ‘other’ (which the other sources do not). Even if it was 8,500, that’s still not as much as Demyansk.
The ration at Leningrad ended up sinking lower than I mentioned in the video. And some of the population (possibly half a million) didn’t receive a ration at all. The ration then recovered later.
Selected Sources / Bibliography
Beevor, A. “Stalingrad.” Penguin Books, 1999.
Forczyk, R. “Demyansk 1942-43, the Frozen Fortress.” Osprey Publishing Group, 2012.
Glantz, D. House, J. “The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 3. Endgame at Stalingrad Book Two: December 1942-February 1943.” University Press of Kansas, 2014.
Hayward, J. “Stopped at Stalingrad: The Luftwaffe and Hitler’s Defeat in the East 1942-1943.” University Press of Kansas, 1998.
“Germany and the Second World War: Volume VI/II, The Global War.” Militärgeschichtliches Forschungsamt (Research Institute for Military History) Potsdam, Germany. Oxford University Press, 2015.
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Hi everyone! Historian Nigel Askey made an article responding to this video. I have now responded to his response. Please see this video https://youtu.be/-zwq1w9BV2g
I also highly recommend the video "How the Red Army Defeated Germany: The Three Alibis" by Dr. Jonathon House which is a nice follow up to this video. Link https://youtu.be/zinPbUZUHDE
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Sources -
*Citino, R. Death of the Wehrmacht: The German Campaigns of 1942. University Press of Kansas, 2007.
*Glantz, D. with House, J. When Titan’s Clashed. University Press of Kansas, 2015.
*Glantz, D. with House, J. Armageddon in Stalingrad. The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 2. University Press of Kansas, 2009.
*Glantz, D. with House, J. To the Gates of Stalingrad. The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 1. University Press of Kansas, 2009.
*Kavalerchik, B. The Price of Victory: The Red Army’s Casualties in the Great Patriotic War. Pen & Sword Military, 2017.
*Liedtke, G. Enduring the Whirlwind: The German Army and the Russo-German War 1941-1943. Helion & Company LTD, 2016.
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Racism is the glue that bounds National Socialism together. And traditionally, people think that racism is a Right or conservative idea. And it is - keep the country pure is a conservative attitude. But, it’s also a Left or socialist idea too. In this instance, the idea of ‘purifying society’ of the bad elements is actually a socialization of the people. So, getting rid of the Upper Classes for a socialist paradise, is the same as getting rid of the minority races for a different socialist paradise. Purifying the race is the socialization. National (keeping the country conservative) Socialism (purifying the people of the ‘bad’ elements) are the same thing. And people do not seem to grasp this. There really is no difference between the Right-Nationalism and the Left-Socialism in National Socialism. So, when you see racism in the Nazism of WW2 (the killings, the death camps etc), what you’re seeing is the evidence for socialism in National Socialism.
“In the People's State the army will no longer be obliged to teach boys how to walk and stand erect, but it will be the final and supreme school of patriotic education.” - Hitler, Mein Kampf, P375
The “People’s State” sounds very much like something you’d hear on the communist side. The “People’s Republic of China” or “People’s Republic of North Korea” to give a couple of examples. In Hitler’s case, the socialist state education system would teach boys about the national “community”. With all members of the Aryan race educated to be pure Aryans, they would be ready to rule over the inferior races of the East (see below). Again, this is a socialist policy.
I don’t want to bring modern politics into this since this is a history channel, but I know that some of you will say I’m wrong here. The reason you’ll do that is because your judgement will be clouded by modern politics. So, let me explain -
The Left and the Right both have their reasons to say that Hitler and National Socialism were not on the Left of the political spectrum. The Right do not want to be stigmatized as ‘commies’, and many of their members don’t realise that socialism is even a factor. They think that racism is the main element (which it is) and that the word ‘socialist’ is just there by accident (or they haven’t realised the significance of the word). Because of this, many people think that National Socialism is actually conservative capitalism, which it absolutely isn’t. But, if people think that it is a conservative capitalism, they can gain support from business leaders and so on, which is exactly what Hitler did in the 1920’s and 30s. Therefore, it benefits the Nazis in the current political climate to claim that National Socialism wasn’t socialist.
And the Left obviously do not want to associate themselves with Hitler and National Socialism, since it’s bad press for socialist policies. They will downplay the atrocities committed by Stalinist Socialism, and say that Hitler and National Socialism was on the Right (and wasn’t socialist). But the reality is, it was socialism. Just like the Marxists want to rid society of the undesirables (the upper class and the bourgeoisie), National Socialists want to rid society of the undesirables (the other races). If they persuade people that there’s a conspiracy, and that the evil-other race are in positions or power (upper class and bourgeoisie), then there’s no difference between the two ideologies.
However, it’s worth noting that socialism is a wide spectrum, and I do not want you to come away with the idea that ALL socialisms are evil. When talking about the 1930’s and 1940’s, yes the National Socialists and Stalinist Socialist regimes are bad. However, when looking at other socialisms, like the Labour movement in Britain (as an example), things like State Pensions, National Insurance policies, a National Health Service and so on - these policies are fine. You may not agree with these policies (and there are pros and cons to them), but they’re not inherently evil just because they’re socialist policies. There is definitely a distinction to be made here between the extreme Left, and more moderate socialisms. Just because you’re communist doesn’t mean you’re also a Nazi, or being conservative does not make you a racist.
The reality is that National Socialism is socialism - and thus, this video will no-doubt annoy a lot of people.
Now, there are counter-arguments. People often say (see Telegraph article below) that the Nazis purged the socialists during the Night of the Long Knives, and therefore Hitler and the National Socialists weren’t socialist. This is untrue. They only purged the ‘wrong’ socialists (up to a 1,000 of them, but probably less, depending on source), since socialism is a spectrum - as I said in the video and above. The SA continued to exist after this event, going on to commit Kristallnacht in 1938, and existing until the end of the war. Hitler also killed anti-Nazis and conservatives in the Night of the Long Knives - so the same argument that says he therefore wasn’t socialist could also be made to say that he wasn’t right-wing either.
This also fails to grasp the idea that, if Hitler had to purge the socialists from his own party, then there were socialists in the party. If there were socialists in the party, that might have something to do with the idea that the party was socialist. There were over 3,000,000 SA members in the early 1930’s. Taking out their socialist leader (Ernst Rohm) and up to 1,000 others, does not equate quashing the socialist movement.
Hitler being socialist also explains why he has a hatred for the traditional army elite (he disliked Prussian officers) and why he put so much emphasis on the SS (which you should see as a fanatically racist and socialist army). His Marxist-worldview also explains why he wanted the resources, food, oil and slaves of East. Only with sufficient resources and slaves could he build his Germanic-socialist utopia. It’s also tied in with the atrocities committed in the East - such as the killing of the elites in Poland. The Polish intelligentsia were all eliminated - including teachers, priests, professors, doctors, lawyers, officials, business owners and landowners. This was very similar to a socialist revolution. In fact, the Soviets did exactly the same in the Eastern portion of Poland, since they occupied that half of the country.
So yes, it actually makes a lot more sense for Hitler to be socialist, and for National Socialism to be socialism, than for it not to be. Looking at the history of WW2 with this in mind, several pieces of the puzzle now fit correctly…
(Selected) Bibliography
These books are directly in reference to the above topic.
Brown, A. "How 'socialist' was National Socialism?" Kindle, 2015.
Geyer, M. & Fitzpatrick, S. "Beyond Totalitarianism: Stalinism and Nazism Compared." Cambridge University Press, Kindle 2009.
Grand, A. "Italian Fascism: It's Origins and & Development." University of Nebraska Press, 2000.
Hitler, A. "Mein Kampf." Jaico Publishing House, 2017.
Hobsbawm, E. "The Age of Extremes: 1914-1991." Abacus, 1995.
Kershaw, I. “Stalinism and Nazism: Dictatorships in Comparison.” Cambridge University Press, Kindle 2003.
For a complete list of books I own on WW2 and similar, see this link - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
Links to interesting articles that claim that National Socialism was not Socialism -
“Hitler was not a socialist, even if he did stash champagne” https://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/11655230/Hitler-was-not-a-socialist-even-if-he-did-stash-champagne.html A good example as to why you shouldn’t trust the traditional media for your information.
“An entirely Americentric argument, spurred on by certain batty ideologues and infamous websites, claims that Adolf Hitler was not the far-right, anti-communist nationalist that everyone else remembers him to be, but rather an egalitarian socialist.” https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Hitler_and_socialism [This page was last modified on 8 August 2018] Hitler was anti-communist, so not sure where the author of this page got that idea from. But being anti-communist does not make him an anti-socialist.
“Man says Nazis were socialist, gets schooled by history writer” https://www.indy100.com/article/nazi-socialist-right-wing-white-supremacists-history-twitter-mikestuchbery-7900001 Yes, except the history writer in this case thinks fascism and national socialism are the same thing. They are not.
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I highly recommend Henry Hazlitt’s “Economics in One Lesson” as a good, straightforward and accessible introduction to economics.
Effectively, I removed ‘cost’ in this video in order to get the point across about production being the principle that increases the living standards of the whole of society, not money. However, if you add it back in, the fundamental principle still applies. Cost would have needlessly complicated the explanation, even though the outcome would have been the same. Also, the production and scarcity principles are the reason why an economy is not finite (there will always be more to do, and the economy can always expand) and that economics is not a “zero-sum game”. And before anyone says it - I am not advocating “trickle down economics”, since this is a term invented by the Left and doesn’t actually exist, as Thomas Sowell points out here https://youtu.be/nZPDpk8NA-g
It’s clear when there’s only 10 people in an economy that production is what matters most. But when there are millions, or billions of people, this factor gets lost. The reality is, if we all hypothetically produced twice as much, we’d have twice as much, without needing to increase the money supply. Yes, individuals who have more money in our society have more access to more resources. However, if you want to improve the lives of ALL the citizens of a nation (or the globe) the only way to do it is to increase production, not money. Moving wealth down to the poor earners does not increase living standards. Higher production does. This is a fundamental concept of economics, and is the element that has caused the industrial revolution and subsequent explosion of living standards. The graphs in the article I’m about to give (especially the third graph) are an indication of the drop in global poverty over the previous two centuries as a direct result of this boom in production, innovation and technology https://ourworldindata.org/extreme-poverty
There are two important schools of thought that theorize how a product gets valued (there are more but again, simplicity). The older one (going back many centuries) is known as the “Labour Theory of Value”. This is the idea that the amount of work put into a product by a labourer will determine the product’s price. The more modern “Subjective Theory of Value” put this idea to bed. An item is worth what the purchaser is willing to pay for it. So, which is correct? Well, you can buy shirt for a couple of pounds/dollars because they’re dirt cheap to produce. And yet, Manchester United shirts cost tens of dollars. Why is that? Is it because the workers who make Manchester United shirts spend many more hours crafting the shirts? Or is it because you have a bunch of Manchester United fans who really really really want to support their team and so are willing to pay more for their shirts? That’s right, an item is worth what the purchaser is willing to pay for it, and the Subjective Theory of Value wins hands down. If only one loaf of bread was baked in an economy, the price of that loaf of bread would be very high because of the scarcity/supply principle - again, nothing to do with labour. Second hand goods sold on Amazon are determined by the rarity and the willingness of the purchaser to pay for them. A thirsty guy in a desert would really want a drink of water, which someone who’s got access to a tap. Again, nothing to do with labour, and everything to do with the subjective value of the items.
At ~07:45 in the video, when talking about the extra clothes factory, I forgot to mention that the price of the goods would have to come down as well because of the excess amount of goods in the economy (supply and demand). But the excess food means that a second factory can be supported by the food produced. Then any innovation in either factory would either decrease the price of goods or spur another factory to be produced. And the cycle repeats. The only issue is if the economy has enough workers (especially new ones via population growth), which I also didn’t include in my super-simply scenario because it would complicate things.
This is also the reason why Universal Basic Income doesn’t work. You’re effectively just increasing the cost of items, by reducing the supply of those items (since there’s only so many to go around). You’re also decreasing production across the economy as workers choose not to work. Worse, you’re directly taxing the rich (preventing investments into production), and taxing everybody’s savings through inflation (preventing investments again). It also stands to reason that even if the robots did come and produce 100x more stuff than a human worker could, it would still be beneficial for humans to work, because even if they only produced 1% of the goods, they’d increase living standards by 1%. Everyone would be better off. Plus, much like health, there will always be more things to produce since there is no limit to the amount of goods that we can produce. We could always have more food, clothes, roads, cars, houses, laser rifles... What the goods being produced will depend on future technologies, or perhaps humans will simply no longer produce raw materials but stick to service sector jobs, or entertainment jobs (like YOUtube) etc. But ultimately, it’s in all our best interests if we all continue to work.
The Housing Crisis in the UK (now referred to as a “bubble on a bubble”) is caused by the centralised state “Planning Permission” and height restrictions, but also several other issues like government “first time buyer” loans and grants, and “Help to Buy” schemes are giving taxpayer money to people who banks won’t lend money too (because they’re not trustworthy and therefore a definite risk, plus the government has crippled the banking industry) in order for them to buy their first property. Therefore, they government has tried to fix the problem they created in the first place, and now are causing a further increase in the demand of housing (since these people wouldn’t have been able to afford to buy a house normally anyway due to their poor credit scores), thus deepening the Housing Crisis. In the future when higher interest rates return, these people will default on their mortgages and usher in a bigger recession in the housing market than would have normally happened. And in the meantime, the taxpayer is subsidising the whole crisis. It’s a colossal waste of resources which is hurting everyone and hindering the economy. Similarly, the same principle - government causing a problem, then sending in someone else to fix the problem - is applied throughout the economy.
When talking about US housing, Thomas Sowell said in ‘Housing Boom and Bust’ - “A fundamental misconception of the housing market existed both during the housing boom and after the bust. That misconception was that the free market failed to produce affordable housing, and that government intervention was therefore necessary, in order to enable ordinary people to find a place to live that was within their means. Yet the hard evidence points in the opposite direction: It has been precisely where there was massive government intervention, in the form of severe building restrictions, that housing prices skyrocketed. Where the market was more or less left alone - places like Houston and Dallas, for example - housing prices took a smaller share of family income than in the past.”
Friedman - “Government is necessary to preserve our freedom, it is an instrument through which we can exercise our freedom; yet by concentrating power in political hands, it is also a threat to freedom.” (From ‘Capitalism and Freedom’) and he also said - “Collectivist economic planning has indeed interfered with individual freedom.”
A capitalist isn’t necessarily someone who’s rich. You can just have some savings and start a business with them. Here’s a video explaining how to start a business for under $500 https://youtu.be/rKAAzZFLPEs
Also, please see Academic Agent’s video on “Understanding Inflation”, link in the description. His video on the Origins of Money is also good.
SELECTED RELEVANT SOURCES/BIBLIOGRAPHY
I have read and watched more than this (videos in the description), but these were the books and videos that are most relevant to this particular video.
Friedman, M. “Capitalism and Freedom: Fortieth Anniversary Edition.” university of Chicago, Kindle 2002. (originally published in 1962)
Hazlitt, H. “Economics in One Lesson: The Shortest & Surest Way to Understand Basic Economics.” Three Rivers Press, 1979.
Hoppe, H. “A Theory of Socialism and Capitalism.” Kindle.
Kershaw, I. “Hitler: 1936-1945 Nemesis.” Penguin Books, 2001.
Marx, K. “Capital: A Critique of Political Economy: Volume I Book One: The Process of Production of Capital.” PDF of 1887 English edition, 2015.
Muravchik, J. “Heaven on Earth: The Rise and Fall of Socialism.” Encounter Books, Kindle.
Newman, M. “Socialism: A Very Short Introduction.” Kindle.
Smith, A. “An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations.” Kindle.
Sowell, T. “Economic Facts and Fallacies: Second Edition.” Kindle.
Sowell, T. “The Housing Boom and Bust.” Kindle.
Full list of all my WW2 and related books can be found here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
Thanks for watching!
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Some notes -
The reference at 19:47 wasn’t actually the full reference because I couldn’t fit it all in the reference box. Here’s the full reference -
Courtois, Werth, Panne, Paczkowski, Bartosek, Margolin, "The Black Book of Communism," P71-126.
Engelstein, “Russia in Flames,” P560.
Gellately, “Lenin, Stalin and Hitler,” P63, P65, P72, P75.
Marx, & Engels, "Manifesto of the Communist Party," P67.
Zamoyski, A. "Warsaw 1920: Lenin's Failed Conquest of Europe." Harper Press, 2008. (all of it)
The FULL list of sources is available in the description.
In case you didn’t see last week’s pinned comment - the editing for next Season of Stalingrad is currently underway. My current target for the release of episode 16 is the 23rd of November 2020. (Turns out that aiming for next Monday was a bit too ambitious.)
Next week’s video will probably be about General Patton…
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No timestamps because it’s not that type of video. It requires you to watch it from start to finish. Would also recommend you don’t read this comment fully until AFTER watching the video… but I know some of you won’t wait for that, so don’t say you weren’t warned :)
Notes -
For those that will no doubt come back and say that “nobody ever says the T-34 and the KV’s were war winning tanks”. No, people do. I’ve had quite a few comments claiming this, and there are sites out there that do say this. For example,
https://medium.com/war-is-boring/the-t-34-was-a-war-winning-tank-662ba112774f
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/guest-bloggers/soviet-t-34-tank.html
Some very interesting quotes from Iseav on the Dubno battle you guys may find interesting -
“Anyone who has not limited themselves to merely studying the initial period of the history of the war would be struck by the abundance of infantry divisions on the site of the tank battles in the triangle formed of Brody-Lutsk-Dubno. This was never subsequently repeated. In the advance outside Kursk in the summer of 1943 German tank divisions were forced to plot the route in front of them independently and from the first few days, or even hours of the battle, they were ‘gnawing through’ the Soviet defence. In this same location outside Kursk there was no amiable breaking in the defence as had happened in the case of the ‘Molotov Line’ in Ukraine in the first half of the day on 22 June 1941. Between 1944-1945 the operational support for tank formations by infantry was very poor and unregulated. Moreover, as the number of infantry formations decreased that had fought in the battle, between 1943-1945 the quality of the infantry deteriorated considerably.”
-From Isaev, P192-193
“Naturally such a multifaceted phenomenon as a week-long battle of a large number of tanks is not just limited to a clash of tanks and infantry. The enemy divisions that were armed with tanks unavoidably clashed on the battlefield. Complex factors determined the winner in these battles, but first and foremost it was the organisational structure of the tank forces on both sides. Here the Wehrmacht’s infantry and artillery, though this time they were motorized, were a match for the tanks of the Red Army. This enabled the pulverisation of enormous numbers of light tanks and the attacks by T-34s and KVs to be countered.”
-From Iseav P193-194
This next quote is from the Staff of Strategy and Tactics Magazine. Page 122 (see sources below)
“1942-45 Soviet Motorized Anti-Tank Regiment -
“This is the unit that destroyed the German "panzerblitz" in the East. Based on their experience, the Soviets calculated that 12 rounds of 45mm or six of 76mm gun fire were needed to destroy one medium tank. Based on the calculation, each 76mm gun was expected to put 2 or 3 medium tanks out of action before being destroyed. Heavier tanks (Panther and Tiger) cut the 76mm gun's effectiveness by about half. But the Soviets were producing more 76mm guns than the Germans were producing tanks. In the 1944 the Soviets produced 23,800 76mm anti-tank guns (some 20 percent more than 1943) as well as 16,500 45mm guns (then being replaced by the 57mm gun). The Soviets employed their 76mm guns in batteries of four guns, all concentrating their fire on one target at a time.”
From the Rommel Papers talking about tanks in North Africa -
“[The Mark II Matilda tanks] were also only supplied with solid, armour-piercing shell. It would be interesting to know why the Mark II was called an infantry tank, which it had no H.E. ammunition with which to engage the opposing infantry. It was also, as I have already said, far too slow. In fact, its only real use was in a straight punch to smash a hole in a concentration of material.”
What’s interesting is the Rommel’s main concerns about the British tanks were their speed and guns. He notes that the Matilda had heavy armour, but was too slow and that it’s gun was not capable for firing HE, meaning it wasn’t a very effective infantry-fighting machine, and was easy to take out with the 88mms. Heavy tanks therefore can be vulnerable.
He also praises the Crusader tank for being very fast, but says its gun (2-pdr, the same gun as the Matilda) had too short a range. He says if only it had a heavier gun “it could have made things extremely unpleasant for us.” He even says this gun therefore did not make up for the “heavy armour it carried”. For Rommel at least, armour protection alone is not as important as speed, maneuverability, and firepower.
“The armoured units which they threw against our striking force in the area north of Sidi Omar failed to prevent the advance of the 5th Light Division and 15th Panzer Division, and thanks to the excellent co-ordination between our anti-tank, armoured and A.A. forces, were themselves destroyed.” - again from the Rommel Papers.
Last week, GM4ThePeople said “For this reason, mass-produced light vehicles, with a de-emphasis on protection, & an emphasis on mobility & firepower were indicated. Doctrine should have more closely adhered to the strategic reality. Motorised infantry, not armoured halftracks. The Pz II chassis was the solution, not the problem.”
The Panzer II part aside, as shown in this video, the role of the tank does not require it to have overly thick armour. Therefore it could be argued that medium tank designs are the most suitable sort of tank. I do think that Panzer IIs were a little too weak in this, since they couldn’t fit a decent enough gun in their turret. Panzer IIIs also have limited turrets - which is why the StuG design was very good. But the Panzer IV is a great tank which, perhaps with the adoption of sloped armour, could have been focused on, even in the late war. It could, and often has, be argued that the production of Panthers and other heavy tanks (Tigers were good for morale purposes, but beyond that, there were too few to make a difference) was a waste. If you consider tanks to be used as exploitation vehicles, then heavier tank designs are a waste.
Then again, the Germans didn’t have the fuel to fight the war of movement anyway so perhaps it’s a mute point. Perhaps heavier tanks were the best option for the Germans, given the circumstances. Would love to know your thoughts on these points.
I also want to point out that the Soviet mortar numbers are the only weapon number that increases by that much. Most other weapons either increase somewhat or decrease somewhat, but not multiply by that amount.
The conclusion in this video will play an important part in explaining both the Crusader and Stalingrad battles - both of which I’m still working on creating “Battlestorm” documentaries for. Next week’s video will be Stalingrad-related…
Selected Sources
Butler, Daniel Allen. Field Marshal: the Life and Death of Erwin Rommel. Casemate Publishers, 2015.
Clark, L. “Kursk: The Greatest Tank battle Eastern Front 1943.” Kindle, Headline Publishing, 2013.
Mawdsley, E. “Thunder in the East: The Nazi-Soviet War 1941-1945.” Second Edition, Kindle, University of Oxford.
Glantz, D. When Titan’s Clashed. University Press of Kansas, 2015.
Kavalerchik, B. The Price of Victory: The Red Army’s Casualties in the Great Patriotic War. Pen & Sword Military, 2017.
Liedtke, G. Enduring the Whirlwind: The German Army and the Russo-German War 1941-1943. Helion & Company LTD, 2016.
Isaev, A. Dubno 1941. The Greatest Tank Battle of the Second World War. Helion & Company, 2017.
Healy, M. Zitadelle: The German Offensive Against the Kursk Salient 4-17 July 1943. Kindle edition, 2016.
Hart, L. The Rommel Papers. 1953.
War in the East, Staff of Strategy and Tactics Magazine (this section on order of battle by James F. Dunnigan), Simulation Publication s Inc., NY, 1977. Page 122
Link to Purges video - https://youtu.be/JnWNnI6YlQQ
Please consider supporting me on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/TIKhistory
Thank you all for watching!
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It’s the end of the series! I hope you’ve enjoyed it!
The next BATTLESTORM series will 100% definitely be Stalingrad. I can’t put a firm date on it at the moment because the maps aren’t finished for it and I’m still working on parts of the script, but it is coming in the near future. But I’m planning on doing a bit of an update about it next week where I’ll go into more detail of where I’m at with it.
Let me know what you think about the Traditional Narrative, Dönitz and Madman Hitler. Was I correct in my assessment? Was I wrong?
Most of the authors spend barely a paragraph on the 6th Battle of Courland, which is why I couldn’t go into much detail with it. I can promise a lot more detail in the Stalingrad series though… :)
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Inflation in Germany
https://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Inflation_in_Nazi_Germany
I’ve also used some maps and information from http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/
A full list of all my WW2 and related books can be found here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
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I’ve replaced my original pinned comments in BOTH videos because people either ignored them completely (pinned comments is where I list my sources, not the description as many of you claimed) or because I wanted to address many of the criticisms that people had about these videos. Since comments can only be so long, I’ve had to split this into sections. So please make sure you check out the comments below this one. Sources will be listed in the following post, as are links to a couple of videos etc.
First of all, the National Socialist economy and society in Germany was absolutely not capitalist (no matter how much people scream at me that it is). After crushing imports and exports in 1933-1934 in order to promote Autarky and rearmament, party officials were basically in every shop and business, providing them with goods or foreign currency, and dictating policy etc. On top of this, Autarky crushed imports and exports, causing the end of trade, helping to isolate Germany from the globalized economy. All this caused a massive economic crisis in 1934, but to quote Tooze's Wages of Destruction -
"...in practice the Reichsbank and the Reich Ministry of Economic Affairs had no intention of allowing the radical activists of the SA, the shopfloor militants of the Nazi party or Gauleiter commissioners to dictate the course of events. Under the slogan of the 'strong state', the ministerial bureaucracy fashioned a new national structure of economic regulation." - P112
"It would be absurd to deny the reality of this shift. The crisis of corporate capitalism in the course of the Great Depression did permanently alter the balance of power. Never again was big business to influence the course of government in German as directly as it did between the outbreak of World War I in 1914 and the onset of the Depression in 1929. The Reich's economic administration, for its part, accumulated unprecedented powers of national economic control." - P113
And this was 1934. So this was absolutely not capitalism. And if it's heavy state intervention, with a planned centralized economy, without being capitalism, what could it be?
A commenter critical of what I was saying (Adrian Mahon) said that my definition of socialism was wrong, and that - "It's about power relationships and shifting these to the workers"
Ok, I absolutely agree with what he’s saying there. From an ideological perspective of what was defined by Marx, that's a fair assessment. And I don't disagree - I never have done. But, there's an issue with this definition historically. And people have given other definitions (revolutionary vs non-revolutionary, “seizing the means of production” etc). In fact, socialism doesn’t have “one” definition because as Evans wrote -
“When an intellectual historian reads Hobbes’s Leviathan or Marx’s Das Kapital, it is not in order to use their writings to reconstruct something outside them, but in order to construct an interpretation of what they mean or meant. There are indeed many interpretations of these thinkers’ ideas, not least because the systems of thought Hobbes and Marx established were so wide-ranging that they never became completely closed.” - Evans, R. “In Defence of History.” Granta Books, Kindle.
So, let’s not pretend that socialism is a fixed definition. Now, some of you also have this concern -
"We are seeing a rise of fascism; to 'revise' the meaning of socialism plays to a particular audience that (I'm hoping) you don't want." - Adrian Mahon.
I agree, and I absolutely don't want to see a rise in fascism or National Socialism. I cannot stress this enough. I've already said a couple videos back that I'm doing a Holocaust documentary because I'm sick to death of people preaching Holocaust (and Holodomor) denial. It's sickening. So, do not think I'm at all promoting either ideology. Several people claimed I was ‘redefining socialism’ so I could deny the Holocaust. No idea where that came from. And actually, by saying that National Socialism wasn't socialism - this actually plays into the National Socialist and denialist hands. Now, at first you might think - why? Well, let me explain with a bit of history -
Hitler genuinely believed in his version of 'socialism', and thought it was a form of 'socialism'. It doesn't matter if you think that it's socialism or not at this point, just run with it. So, when Hitler comes to power in 1933, he 'socialized' the German economy by removing the Jewish influence from government etc and imposes his version of 'socialism'. And this actually caused an economic crisis by 1934 as a result. This was due to Autarky and armaments spending (see the previous quotes in my above comment which are linked to this).
With the 'socialization' of the people, he removed Jews from society, and heavily restricted trade, ending capitalism. And he geared up for war. Military spending was less than 1% of the budget in 1933, and was 10% in 1935. This was “- a bigger and quicker increase than ever seen before in peacetime in a capitalist state.” from Rees, L. “The Holocaust: A New History.” Penguin Books, 2017. Page 92.
Now, why would he do this? Is it just for military conquest? Or is there some sort of underlying motive?
And yes, there's an underlying motive. Going back to Mein Kampf, what he see is his version of Nationalism (which is entwined with his 'socialism'). As a brief explanation - he thought that the species shouldn't mix breeds. And that Aryan peoples built nations. However, the reason he thinks nations collapsed in the past had nothing to do with war etc; it was all because the Aryans interbred with the lesser races. In Hitler's mind, the dilution of Aryan blood would weaken the race, and bring down the nation. Yes, complete lunacy, but there's little doubt he thought this.
And he honestly thought that the Jews were the absolute worse race, and the fact they didn't have a nation of their own (at the time) proved his theory right. In Mein Kampf, Hitler says that the Jews were like parasites who would latch onto Aryan nations and dilute Aryan blood with their own blood by interbreeding. Therefore Hitler thought that the Jews had to be removed from society to prevent the Aryan German blood from being diluted, and thus causing the downfall of the German race.
However, there's the Marxist problem too. In Hitler's mind, the Jews were championing Marxism. The reason was stated as: if they made everything equal and classless, this would give the Jews the best chance to interbreed with everyone and thus bring about the fall of humanity. Yes, it's ridiculous, but that's where he went with it.
So, you can see why he hated Bolshevism so much. He thought that international communism would allow the Jews to destroy the Aryan races. He therefore decided to take action and beat the Jews before they beat the Aryans. This is why he wanted to go East. He viewed the Slavs as slaves owned by the Jews. But if they conquered the Soviet Union, rid the Jews from society, the Slavs would serve the master German Aryans for a 1,000 years.
Now, Adrian Mahon said "Can we agree agree on what 'socialist' means (hint: it's not state intervention). It's about power relationships and shifting these to the workers" Ok, but let's look at what Hitler thought for a moment.
Hitler thought that 'socialism' was about power relationships too. The difference was that he thought the way to solve the issue wasn't by having the workers rise up. But actually by removing the Jews. (I know this isn't socialism as Marx defined it, but stick with me for a bit longer) If he removed the Jews, then the power relationships wouldn't happen. The Aryan race would all work together as a collective to better the German nation - the elites would help their fellow men, and the workers could rise to the top. Hitler does say that the ladder still exists because individuals should be able to climb up if they're better than others. That would actually help the race because supposedly the better elements of the race would rise upwards. (And you do have quite a bit of social movement in the National Socialist era of Germany, so it's not completely correct to say he was just saying this stuff.)
Now, this Hitler-version of 'socialism' is actually mixed with his Nationalism. Hitler redefined this to mean that the state was the absolute embodiment of the race (his 'Nationalism'). However, the two are intermixed. You can't have one without the other. The state/people need to remove the Jews, and the state/people need to work together. Now, if you keep this idea in mind - that the Nationalism and the Socialism element are equal and the same - look what happens when we consider the history of the time:
When you think of the trains taking people to the forced labour camps, the concentration camps, the death camps etc, what you have to remember is that, this absolutely wasn't free-market forces doing this. This was a systematic industrial mass-killing, controlled by the state (hence my "intervention in economy and society" bit), and I would absolutely argue that this could not have happened to this extent in a free-market capitalist economy. How would a business market "Murder of Racial Minorities on a Mass Scale" in any capitalist society? It just wouldn't happen to this extent. Yeah, you have persecutions and murder during wartime etc, but not mass-industrial-scale-murder.
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It’s 9 corps, not 8. And it’s also 4 panzer divisions, not 3. Only noticed when I was editing and too late to go back. Yes! I can’t count!
Map shown is actually for the 24th of July rather than the 23rd, simply because it turns out I don’t have an accurate map for the 23rd of July.
The reason for doing the order of battle on the 23rd of July is because I will be following the events in detail from the 24th of July 1942 to the 2nd of February 1943 in my upcoming Stalingrad documentary. When’s it coming? Well, considering it’s taken me 55 minutes just to tell you which units are in the 6th Army, I think we can confidently say “in a bit”. https://youtu.be/PMEXIocRfOg
I do not know if 44th Infantry Division had a reconnaissance battalion. If it did, I don’t know which one it is.
I also don’t know the artillery unit for 60th Motorized Division - let me know if you know!
Several other units don’t have unit symbols or generals, and I don’t know the leaders for a lot of them. If you can help me out, please do!
Important Links
Please consider supporting me on Patreon and help make more videos like this possible https://www.patreon.com/TIKhistory
Link to MHV video “Organization & Structure of a German Infantry Division in World War 2” https://youtu.be/_tiH5YCa8Qs
Link to my “The MAIN Reason Why Germany Lost WW2 - OIL” video https://youtu.be/kVo5I0xNRhg
Link to my “Croatian Legion” video https://youtu.be/bVbqdD6CmOI
Link to Don't Buy This Book! "With Paulus at Stalingrad" https://youtu.be/51_6olyYPDo
Link to “Death of the Leaping Horsemen Book Review” https://youtu.be/sPNhk7ForPw
Selected Bibliography/Sources
Adam, W. Rühle, O. “With Paulus at Stalingrad.” Pen and Sword Books, 2015.
Beevor, A. “The Second World War.” Phoenix, 2012.
Glantz, D. House, J. “The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 1. To the Gates of Stalingrad. Soviet-German Combat Operations, April-August 1942.” University Press of Kansas, 2009.
Glantz, D. House, J. “The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 2. Armageddon in Stalingrad: September-November 1942.” University Press of Kansas, 2009.
Glantz, D. House, J. “The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 1. To the Gates of Stalingrad. Soviet-German Combat Operations, April-August 1942.” University Press of Kansas, 2009.
Glantz, D. House, J. “The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 3. Endgame at Stalingrad Book One: November 1942..” University Press of Kansas, 2014.
Glantz, D. House, J. “The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 3. Endgame at Stalingrad Book Two: December 1942-February 1943.” University Press of Kansas, 2014.
Heiber, H. Glantz, D. “Hitler and his Generals. Military Conferences 1942-1945.” Enigma Books, 2004.
Mitcham, S. “Hitler’s Legions: German Army Order of Battle World War II.” Redwood Burn Limited, 1985.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume One: 1st-290th Infantry Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Two: 291st-999th Infantry Divisions, Named Infantry Divisions, and Special Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Three: Panzer, Panzer Grenadier, and Waffen SS Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mark, J. Obhodas, A. “Croatian Legion: The 369th Reinforced (Croatian) Infantry Regiment on the Eastern Front 1941-1943.” Leaping Horsemen Books, 2010.
Mark, J. “Death of the Leaping Horsemen: The 24th Panzer Division in Stalingrad 12th August - 20th November 1942.” Stackpole Books, Kindle 2003.
Mark, J. “Panzer Krieg: Volume 1: German Armoured Operations at Stalingrad.” Leaping Horsemen Books, 2017.
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The three books listed in the video -
Richard Overy’s “Russia’s War” - short sharp and sweet
Stephan Fritz’s “Ostkrieg”
David Glantz and Jonathan House’s “When Titan’s Clashed”
The other recommended books for the Eastern Front -
(these are not in any particular order)
Your best bet is to pick up anything by David Glantz or Jonathan House if you liked the style of “When Titan’s Clashed”. For example, his single-volume book on “Stalingrad” (he’s done a 5-book, 4 volume “trilogy” on it, but that’s even more ridiculous) is pretty much the greatest account of the battle ever.
Robert Citino’s “Death of the Wehrmacht: The German Campaigns of 1942” is a decent account of the events of 1942 - Hitler’s last chance for victory. In fact, anything by Citino is good, but just remember that this guy is talking about things from the German perspective.
Joel Hayward’s “Stopped at Stalingrad: The Luftwaffe and Hitler’s Defeat in the East 1942-1943” - great for anyone looking into the air war, or also Stalingrad.
Gregory Liedtke’s “Enduring the Whirlwind: The German Army and the Russo-German War 1941-1943” - shows that many of the old myths about the Eastern Front from the Cold-War era are incorrect, or at least questionable. The statistics provided are also fantastic.
David Stahel’s “Operation Barbarossa: Germany’s Defeat in the East” is a good place to start if you want to look at the beginning of the war. Stahel is an expert on the 1941 campaign, and his books are definitely recommended reading.
Books you should avoid for now -
Any and all MEMOIRS
Seriously, avoid memoirs until you understand the topic. People lie or twist the truth in memoirs, and you want to avoid them until you’ve got a grasp of the conflict. Manstein’s “Lost Victories” and Guderian’s “Panzer Leader” will drown you in a false perception of the conflict. For example, Manstein just so happens to not mention any of the war crimes he committed on the Eastern Front which he went to prison for. Would you believe the logic of a known criminal? No, yet people read his popular memoirs and believe him without question. This is why it’s probably best you avoid memoirs for now.
In addition, Shirer’s ancient “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.” should also be avoided because he’s heavily reliant on the German general’s memoirs, specifically Franz Halder’s. Halder basically scored a natural 20 in intrigue and has manipulated most of the post-war literature on the Eastern Front to his way of thinking. The German generals went along with him because it gave them a way of wriggling out of their prison cells. Again, be wary of texts written in the Cold War, and aim for more modern books.
In addition, please avoid some of the ‘hostile’ comments that will no doubt come up in the comment section below because of my recommendation to avoid the memoirs of the German generals. A lot of people are of the opinion that the Germans did nothing wrong in WW2 - and this is simply ridiculous, as you will see in the three books I recommended.
Here’s a spreadsheet with all the books I currently have about WW2 (and related) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
Link to my Patreon https://www.patreon.com/TIKhistory Please consider supporting me if you can and make these videos be as good as they can be!
Happy reading! And thanks for watching, bye for now!
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This is the first time I’ve done a specific video on the air war. What do you think? Want me to do more? Or should I “stick to tanks”?
Still not sure on a date with Stalingrad, but the map is almost done so I will let you know. If you like Stalingrad, you should check out and subscribe to Anton Joly's YouTube channel - "Stalingrad Battle Data". Link: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIk1QDvITjPOCsIRGGpSasA
Sources
Drabkin, A. "The Red Air Force at War: Barbarossa and the Retreat to Moscow." Pen&Sword, Kindle 2007.
Glantz, D. “Stumbling Colossus: The Red Army on the Eve of World War.” University Press of Kansas, 1998.
Glantz, D. “Colossus Reborn: The Red Army at War, 1941-1943.” University Press of Kansas, 2005.
Glantz, D. & House, J. “When Titan’s Clashed.” University Press of Kansas, 2015.
Overy, R. “Russia’s War.” Penguin Group, 1999.
Hayward, J. “Stopped at Stalingrad: The Luftwaffe and Hitler’s Defeat in the East 1942-1943.” University Press of Kansas, 1998.
Hill, A. "British Lend Lease Aid and the Soviet War Effort, June 1941 June 1942." Article from The Journal of Military History,Vol. 71, No. 3 (Jul., 2007), pp. 773-808.
Liedtke, G. “Enduring the Whirlwind: The German Army and the Russo-German War 1941-1943.” Helion & Company LTD, 2016.
Suvorov, V. "Icebreaker. Who Started the Second World War?" PL UK Publishing, Kindle 2012. (this book is not recommending reading)
van Tuyll, H. "Feeding the Bear: American Aid to the Soviet Union, 1941-1945." Greenwood Press, 1989.
A full list of all my WW2 and related books can be found here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
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This video was demonetized by YouTube after manual review without any explanation as to why. The conclusion we must assume is that YouTube clearly doesn’t want to promote videos talking about military history or events like the Hunger Winter (is YouTube Denialist?). For this reason, I am 100% reliant on my Patreons for support, who really are allowing videos like this to be made. Thank you! All questions are from Patreons donating $5 or more on my Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/TIKhistory Please consider supporting me and allow this channel to continue.
Dutch strikes gripped the country in response to Arnhem being evacuated. This was the excuse used by the Germans to cut food and supplies to the Netherlands. The Hunger Winter was the result. It seems that some blame the Allies for not advancing into the Netherlands quicker to relieve them from the hunger. But Allied strategy was focused on knocking the Germans out of the war, which would then solve the starvation issue by itself. Was this a right strategy? Could the Allies have done more to help the Dutch?
And I’m curious to hear your thoughts on the board front vs narrow front strategy, and whether you think either was right or wrong. There are clearly flaws to both. But which was the better strategy? And, once again, who’s really to blame for how Market Garden turned out? Let me know in the comments!
Selected Bibliography / Sources
(I have more books on the Battle of Arnhem and Operation Market Garden, but these were the most relevant to this particular discussion)
Beevor, A. “Arnhem: The Battle for the Bridges.” Penguin Books, 2018.
Ambrose, S. "Band of Brothers: E Company, 506th Regiment, 101st Airborne from Normandy to Hitler's Eagle's Nest." Simon & Schuster, Kindle 2001.
Citino, R. “The Wehrmacht's Last Stand: The German Campaigns of 1944-1945.” University of Kansas, 2017.
Eisenhower, D. "Crusade in Europe." Doubleday, Kindle 1948.
Hunt, V. "Blood in the Forest: The End of the Second World War in the Courland Pocket." Helion & Company, 2017.
Middlebrook, M. “Arnhem 1944: The Airborne Battle, 17-29 September.” 2009.
Montgomery, B. "The Memoirs of Field-Marshal Montgomery." Pan & Sword Military, 2014.
Neillands, R. “The Battle for the Rhine 1944.” Kindle, 2014.
Internet sources -
http://www.pegasusarchive.org/arnhem/RepPegasus.htm
http://www.pegasusarchive.org/arnhem/depth_aftermath.htm
Full list of all my WW2 and related books can be found here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
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“...as everyone says, that the [Soviet] divisions are so weak that this character is making a huge bluff with his so-called “divisions.” That’s what’s being said on all sides. He’s counting on his artillery. He is concentrating it. Apart from this, his divisions are so weak - just a few thousand men… We’ve had pockets with 7 divisions inside, where we took 2,000 prisoners and killed another 2,000. But where are the rest? And then it is said that he attacks with huge crowds of infantry. But if we ever made such an encirclement, there was never anything in it. But if has always been like this. It was like this already in 1941. Except for a few major attacks ,the results have been very meager in general.” - Hitler, 6 Nov 1944. [From “Hitler and his Generals” P511-512]
When reading many of the books - especially those written from the German perspective - it quickly becomes evident that they are trying to downplay the mistakes made by the German generals and soldiers, and emphasise Soviet atrocities and Hitler’s meddling. They also point out how vastly outnumbered they are by “waves” of Red Army troops by pointing out how many divisions the Soviets have compared to them. The statistics don’t support such a thesis, and you can’t compare German divisions to Soviet divisions because size-wise they are not the same. Soviet divisions are much smaller than German divisions, as Hitler points out in the quote above.
Unfortunately, being unable to read German or Russian, I’m limited to the German perspective (since a lot of German books have been translated into English). As you will see from the listed sources below, I have limited amounts of sources written from the Soviet-side. This is a major issue, so I will attempt to compensate where possible, but I’m acutely aware that this series will be rendered out of date as soon as some Russian-sources are made available in English, or someone who can read Russian makes a documentary on the same period. So, if and when that does happen, I encourage you to change your perspective.
That said, I’m fairly confident this first episode is accurate for the most part, since we’re not talking about the unit positioning on the battlefield yet. To clarify: the German U-boats are technically just boats, not submarines, because they weren’t able to stay submerged. Only with the fitting of the new snorkel were the new generation of U-boats classed as submarines. In the video, I said the snorkel came from the Dutch, but I should have said Danish. The snorkel came from the Danish.
Next week, we will look at the tragic circumstances that the Baltic States were in. If nothing else in this series, we must remember the innocent lives of those caught in the middle of this conflict. Then we will begin looking at the combat itself in episode 3.
Sources/Bibliography
Anderson, T. “The History of the Panzerwaffe. Volume 2: 1942-45.” Osprey Publishing, 2017.
Battistelli, P. "Panzer Divisions 1944–45." Ospery Publishing, Kindle.
Byrd, R. "Once I Had a Comrade: Karl Roth and the Combat History of the 36th Panzer Regiment 1939-45." Helion & Company, Kindle 2006.
Buttar, P. "Between Giants: The Battle for the Baltics in World War II." Ospery Publishing, 2013.
Citino, R. “The Wehrmacht's Last Stand: The German Campaigns of 1944-1945.” University of Kansas, 2017.
Dönitz, K. "Memoirs: Ten Years and Twenty Days." Frontline Books, Kindle 2012.
Glantz, D. “Colossus Reborn: The Red Army at War, 1941-1943.” University Press of Kansas, 2005.
Glantz, D. “When Titan’s Clashed.” University Press of Kansas, 2015.
Guderian, H. “Panzer Leader.” Penguin Books, 2000.
Harrison, M. "The Economics of World War II: Six Great Powers in International Comparison." Cambridge University Press, 2000.
Heiber, H. Glantz, D. “Hitler and his Generals. Military Conferences 1942-1945.” Enigma Books, 2004.
Hillblad, T. "Twilight of the Gods: A Swedish Volunteer in the 11th SS Panzergrenadier Division "Nordland" on the Eastern Front." Stackpole Books, Kindle 2009.
Hitler, A. "Mein Kampf." Jaico Publishing House, 2017.
Hitler, A. "Zweites Buch (Secret Book): Adolf Hitler's Sequel to Mein Kampf." Jaico Publishing House, 2017.
Hoppe, H. “A Theory of Socialism and Capitalism.” Kindle.
Hunt, V. “Blood in the Forest: The End of the Second World War in the Courland Pocket.” Helion & Company Limited, 2017.
Haupt, W. "Army Group North: The Wehrmacht in Russia 1941-1945." Schiffer Publishing Ltd, 1997.
Kurowski, F. "Bridgehead Kurland: The Six Epic Battles of Heeresgruppe Kurland." Fedorowicz Publishing, 2002.
Lunde, H. “Hitler’s Wave-Breaker Concept: An Analysis of the German End Game in the Baltic.” Casemate Publishers, 2013.
Mawdsley, E. “Thunder in the East: The Nazi-Soviet War 1941-1945.” Second Edition, Kindle, University of Oxford.
Megargee, G. "Inside Hitler's High Command." University Press of Kansas, 2000.
Mitcham, S. “Hitler’s Legions: German Army Order of Battle World War II.” Redwood Burn Limited, 1985.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume One: 1st-290th Infantry Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Two: 291st-999th Infantry Divisions, Named Infantry Divisions, and Special Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Three: Panzer, Panzer Grenadier, and Waffen SS Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Moorhouse, R. "The Devil's Alliance: Hitler's Pact with Stalin, 1939-1941." Random House Group, Ebook (Google Play) 2014.
Muravchik, J. “Heaven on Earth: The Rise and Fall of Socialism.” Encounter Books, Kindle.
Newman, M. “Socialism: A Very Short Introduction.” Kindle.
Newton, S. “Retreat from Leningrad: Army Group North 1944/1945.” Schiffer Military History, 1995.
Perrett, B. "Panzerkampfwagen IV Medium Tank 1936-45." Osprey Publishing, 2007.
Raus, E. "Panzer Operations: The Eastern Front Memoir of General Raus, 1941–1945." Kindle.
Rees, L. "The Holocaust: A New History." Penguin Books, 2017.
Snyder, T. "Blood Lands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin." Vintage, 2011.
Wilbeck, C. "Sledgehammers: Strengths and Flaws of Tiger Tank Battalions in World War II." Aberjona Press, Kindle 2015.
Wilbeck, C. "Swinging the Sledgehammer: The Combat Effectiveness of German Heavy Tank Battalions in World War II." Fort Leavenworth, PDF 2002.
Zeimke, E. “From Stalingrad to Berlin: The Illustrated Edition.” Pen & Sword, Kindle 2014.
Zaloga, S. "T-34/76 Medium Tank 1941-45." Osprey Publishing, 2010.
Zaloga, S. "T-34-85 Medium Tank 1944-94." Osprey Publishing, Kindle 2010.
Some gun penetration statistics from - https://www.wwiivehicles.com/
Video Links
Why the Germans had the Tactical Advantage early in WW2 | Tank and Anti-Tank Warfare https://youtu.be/OQblCC1rh74
The State of Soviet Artillery on the Eve of Operation Barbarossa WW2 https://youtu.be/dprGvO5GG9c
Soviet "War-Winning" Tanks in 1941? The Role of Tanks on the Eastern Front WW2 https://youtu.be/DkDiYuWlgV8
A full list of all my WW2 and related books can be found here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
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Due to one Patron asking me a related question about Hitler, I’ve decided that next week’s video will be the “Public vs Private” video, which I’m hastily putting together now. For the first time on this channel, we’ll be going back all the way to ancient Greece and Rome, and then forward in time all the way to WW2. As you can imagine, it’s going to be quite a long video, so be ready for that.
The Stalingrad map is finished! It looks amazing! So once the “Public vs Private” video is made, I’m going to get editing Stalingrad :) I’ll also be creating a behind the scenes Stalingrad editing video for Patrons pledging over £5 where I show how I move the units on the map and put in effects etc. As soon as I have a hard date for Stalingrad, I will let you know, but it’s going to be very soon.
In the meantime, check out historian Anton Joly's YouTube channel "Stalingrad Battle Data". Link: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIk1QDvITjPOCsIRGGpSasA
There’s no real need to list sources this time, so I will just link to my full list of WW2 and related books https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
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WAS HITLER’S REGIME TOTALITARIAN? Yes or no? Let me know.
Standard “utopian” socialism : common control of the means of production.
Marxist socialism : class control of the means of production.
National Socialism : race control of the means of production.
Fascism : nationality control of the means of production.
Markets : people, individuals. [A market is two people who trade. So do you want to have "Free Markets"/free people, or "planned economy"/non-free people?]
Means of production : people, individuals. [A factory/building/tool cannot operate without a human, so humans are the means of production. Therefore do you want to control your own life, or have someone else control it?]
Capitalism : private control of the means of production. [private individual (you) control over your own life]
Classic Liberalism : people are individuals and should be judged as such. Freedom of speech, equal rights, and people are free to do as they please (spend their money the way they want).
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Notice how the Left will change the terms of those above to hide the meaning of following -
Standard "Utopian" socialism : common-control of the means of production. [a group / other people / another authority controls your life - you're no longer free. You are not allowed to own property, and your possessions, money and lives are not your own.]
Marxist Socialism : class-control of the means of production. [the "workers" unions are in control, anyone else should be enslaved and murdered]
National Socialism : race-control of the means of production. [the "Aryan" race should be in control, everyone else should be enslaved and murdered]
Fascism : nationality-control of the means of production. [e.g. the "Americans" (nationality, not race) should be in control, everyone else should be enslaved and murdered]
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Some random Leftist terms that don't make sense -
State Capitalism : a contradiction in terms, since you cannot have non-free free individuals. Either the individual is free, or is controlled by the state. Capitalism is freedom from the state, so you cannot have state-controlled free-people.
Anarcho-syndicalism : a contradiction in terms, since if you have workers unions (or federalism etc) you cannot also have anarchy at the same time. This is actually based on a deliberate postmodernist revision and misquotation of Das Kapital Volume 3 (and yes, I checked the original German).
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Clearly, socialism is built on both killing and enslavement, no matter which form it is. Enslavement and killing are fundamental to the very core ideology itself, which is that some people should be excluded from society because they are part of a social group that another social group doesn't like.
Totalitarianism requires total control of the people, in terms of politics, society and economy. You cannot have totalitarianism without a dictator who is in control of the people/economy. And since capitalism is non-control of the people/economy, then if Hitler is capitalist, he cannot be a totalitarian. If Hitler is totalitarian, that must mean he has an economic policy that controls the people/economy. Since socialism is control of the people/economy, it makes sense for him to be labeled a socialist.
However, the counter-argument is made that Hitler “privatized” the industries, proving his capitalism. Ok, well now we have a problem. Either he did “privatize” the industries and wasn’t a totalitarian dictator, or he was a totalitarian dictator and something is wrong with the narrative being pushed by Marxists about Hitler’s “privatization” policy.
Turns out there’s something wrong with the Marxist narrative, and I’m going to set the record straight in a future video.
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Is there something about Stalingrad/Fall Blau that you want to know more about? Let me know what that is and I’ll see what I can do.
And also, what’s more important to you - individual stories like Pavlov and his House, or the big picture (units, positions, strategies etc)? Let me know in the comments below.
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Links
Other videos of mine you may be interested in -
The Myth and Reality of Joseph Stalin’s Order No. 227 “Not a Step Back!” https://youtu.be/JOKAIDpOY80
6th Army's Rations at Stalingrad https://youtu.be/occOOTk6OKY
The BIG Stalingrad Airlift Myth https://youtu.be/feeYOqQkr3M
Stalingrad video playlist https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNSNgGzaledhLd1zG3MeeRSbIei6lHhxO
Confusing My Ex Girlfriend with Random History Facts! Honey, Spies... https://youtu.be/cTEYY5P0QbM
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Beevor, A. “Stalingrad.” Penguin Books, 1999.
Chuikov, V. “The Beginning of the Road.” Panther Edition, 1970.
Craig, W. “Enemy at the Gates” Kindle, 2015.
Glantz, D. House, J. “Stalingrad.” University Press of Kansas, 2017.
Glantz, D. House, J. “The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 2. Armageddon in Stalingrad: September-November 1942.” University Press of Kansas, 2009.
Jones, M. “Stalingrad: How the Red Army Triumphed.” Pen & Sword Military, 2016.
Many sources do not even mention Pavlov’s House and therefore aren’t relevant in this instance.
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As Marx/Engels said in Das Kapital volume 3, "socialized man" in "common control" of the means of production is socialism. Therefore, if the socialized-race is in common control of means of production, which is what Hitler himself said, then that is socialism. Socialism is common control of the means of production, which is different to Marxist Socialism which is class-socialism. Fascism is nationality-socialism and National Socialism is racial-socialism.
Essentially, when you divide society into social-groups (race, class, gender, nationality, etc), people become caricatures of the evils of their social-groups, and people lose their individuality. Having lost their individualities, they become little more than statistics, and lose their humanity. At this point it becomes very easy to ‘remove’ these ‘undesirables’ from society. This is why socialism results in things like the Holocaust or the Killing Fields of Cambodia - it strips people of their rights, freedoms and of their humanity.
Today, the Russian Federation and their pro-Marxist internet trolls claim that the Baltic States were Nazi states, or that the Baltic people deserved what happened to them, or that they were at war, or it was all part of the revolution… Basically they’re trying to justify the actions of the Soviet Union as being somehow legitimate. I’ve actually had commenters claim this was the case. Well, no - the Soviets invaded and destroyed those states. Their annexation was not a legitimate act; it was an aggressive move by Stalin and the Soviet Union in much the same way that invading Poland was for National Socialist Germany.
Some National Socialists denialist-trolls claim that when the Germans invaded the Soviet Union, the people welcomed the Germans with open arms. And at first, yes they did. But it is a distortion of history to then not acknowledge the fact that soon afterward this first period of occupation, the people were then subjected to a rule of terror which they weren’t happy with. Millions were shipped off to die in the Reich’s slave labour camps. Millions were starved to death (this wasn’t the Holodomor of the 1930s, this was the Hunger Plan of the 1940s). And, of course, we have the Holocaust. I know some deny it, but we cannot take them seriously, since denying the Holocaust is denying Hitler’s socialism, which is to deny his racism, his nationalism and his entire reason for existing. In short, denying the Holocaust is not possible from a National Socialist ideological perspective, which is why those that do it can safely be called denialist-trolls.
No doubt some will complain that I used pictures which are “fake” or “disputed”. From what I’ve read, they seem pretty legit. Besides, it’s not like the Nazis and Marxis took selfies as they were going about their enslavement and murder of the conquered territories, so there’s not a bountiful number of pictures available. The main factor is the events themselves - which are confirmed.
I didn’t mention Finland much here because I’ve covered them separately in previous videos (links in the description) and they weren’t actually conquered. I also want to cover Poland in a separate video at some point in the future.
Also, since my "National Socialism was Socialism" videos were targeted by Marxist trolls, he's another good video called "Why Nazism is Leftist" by John Doyle https://youtu.be/FNJzqqh-jRw
And again, YouTube decided to limit the ads on this video. Given the sensitive nature of the topic, I’m (again) not going to request a review. Personally, I don’t think it’s YouTube’s fault (they’re being careful). But I do question the motives of advertisers who don’t want to advertise on historical videos that discuss events like the Holocaust. Why would you advertisers not want to advertise on such topics? Is it because you don’t want to people to be educated about the Holocaust? Are you trying to deny it? By not supporting videos like this, said advertisers are essentially preventing people being education on the topic, preventing distortions from being corrected, and are therefore supporting historical distortions. Remember that next time you see an advert somewhere else on the internet or TV.
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I’m fully aware that the armour thickness of the tanks and the gun penetration values vary per make and model. I’m also aware that the exact millimeters may be out depending on which book you use. I’m also aware that every single shell is different - since that’s how the universe works. However, it doesn’t affect anything, since the difference between 51mms and 50mms is irrelevant if you have a gun which can defeat it.
And this is why armour thickness is not really as important as some people may think. There’s many ways to disable a tank. Disabling a tank is a kill, so long as you win the overall fight. This is why having more ‘alright’ tanks is better than having fewer good tanks, and why light tanks are absolutely important on the battlefield. They’re still relevant and can do a lot of damage to infantry and anti-tank guns.
But of course, anti-tank guns and infantry are super-important too. It may not be glamorous, but a big gun hidden behind a bush is just as deadly as a gun mounted in a tank turret. It’s also significantly cheaper too. Yes, they have their downsides, but so do tanks if used incorrectly.
Overall, I’m of the opinion that tanks are not as important as the tactics used, and are only part of the whole combined-arms process. If you don’t have all your weapons working in sync with one another, the enemy has the advantage. This is one of the big reasons why the Germans had an advantage early war - their enemies hadn’t figured out combined arms warfare. So, I guess the lesson here is: don’t bring just rocks to a rock, paper and scissor fight.
The early war German tanks were also very effective. They weren’t “superior”, but the 75mm gun on the Panzer 4 gave them the advantage. Same with the 50mm Pak guns. This is why early German mobilization was so important and was the main reason why they had the advantage in the early war. The Germans started mobilizing in 1935, but had actually pumped a lot more money into their armament production since 1933. Military spending went from 1% of national income in 1933 to 10% in 1935. “- a bigger and quicker increase than ever seen before in peacetime in a capitalist state.” Rees, L. “The Holocaust: A New History.” Penguin Books, 2017. Page 92
Also, it’s worth saying that I’m not a Wehraboo. The Germans are not “superior” just because they have one or two advantages due to them mobilizing earlier than the other powers. If anything, this proved that the Germans weren’t just inherently better, because once the Allies learnt their lessons, the Germans lost those advantages.
Some pictures in the video come from Bovington Tank Museum (TankFest 2018).
Links to other videos mentioned in the video are in the video description.
The Battlestorm Operation Crusader Script is currently 74,319 words. Have been working on it today, and hope to have the script finished in a matter of days. Then it’s time to start editing the video. Don’t worry, it is coming.
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“Krupp’s firm [armaments] profited more from the armament boom than any other industrial enterprise in Germany. Yet even Herr Krupp is grumbling because he is no longer the absolute master he used to be.” - Günter Reimann Vampire Economy P126
“The position of the manager or “factory leader” is contradictory in theory and in practice. On one hand, he has more authority than before within his factory; he can rule his business by issuing orders which must be obeyed by all his “followers.” On the other hand, he himself is only an infinitesimal part of a gigantic State and military machine. Party and military authorities will interfere with his management, while at the same time making him responsible for difficulties in fulfilling his production program and for dealing with labor troubles, should they arise. He may even be declared unfit for “leadership” if he is not on good terms with Party authorities.” - Günter Reimann Vampire Economy P118
The industrialists were part of the State. Class had been ‘abolished’, and replaced by “factory leaders” and “followers”. Reimann misunderstands this because he doesn’t understand Nazi ideology.
However, The Vampire Economy is a very important primary source document and I recommend you all pick it up (especially because you can get it online for free, PDF).
Also, another quote for you -
“For Mussolini there was no contradiction between Socialism and what would become Fascism. Its was the Socialists who had, for him, betrayed Socialism, not he. In fact, he continued to think himself as a Socialist to the end of his life.” - Farrell, Mussolini A New Life.
“Fascism’s big idea was the corporate state - the so-called Third War between Capitalism and Communism - which would abolish the class war. Both Capitalism and Communism meant class war. In the class war, Capitalism, via the free market, gave the bosses the upper hand, and Communism, via the state, the masses. Fascism, via the corporate state, would incorporate both bosses and masses inside the state and so abolish class war.” - Farrell, Mussolini A New Life.
I absolutely will be following this up in the future because it is necessary to understand how the war was fought, and how the Holocaust happened. The “war socialism” of National Socialist Germany (starting from 1933) has been ignored for long enough. It’s time for historians and history-buffs to take the National Socialist ideology and economy more seriously (see Zitelmann above for more detail on the historiography).
For those who want me to “stick to military history” don’t waste your breath. This is my channel and I’m the one who decides what type of history I will be publishing or not.
For those who think I don’t know what I’m talking about so it’ll be good to hear your alternative theories on how the Free Market economy resulted in the policy of Lebensraum (hint: it doesn’t).
And for those of you who think Socialism isn’t state-control of the economy, or somehow misinterpret that to mean that any State at all is socialist (which is NOT what I’m saying), you have a choice: unsubscribe and live in ignorance, or wake up before you sleepwalk into a dystopian nightmare. Non-private (non-Capitalism) means it’s public. Public means State (as discussed in the video). A group is a public. Any group in charge of the means of production is socialism. Therefore socialism is State-control of the economy.
Sources
The books I highly recommend for this topic (in order I recommend you read them) -
Günter Reimann’s “The Vampire Economy”
Tooze’s “Wages of Destruction” (great on the National Socialist economy)
Zitelmann’s “Hitler: The Politics of Seduction” (very good for National Socialist ideology, economy and society, and historiography surrounding it. THIS BOOK IS AMAZING.)
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Marx, K. “Capital: A Critique of Political Economy: Volume III Book One.” PDF, English edition, 2010. (Originally written 1894)
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Moorhouse, R. "The Devil's Alliance: Hitler's Pact with Stalin, 1939-1941." Random House Group, Ebook (Google Play) 2014.
Mosley, O. "Fascism: 100 Questions Asked and Answered." Black House Publishing, Kindle 2019.
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Tooze, A. “Wages of Destruction: The Making & Breaking of The Nazi Economy.” Penguin Books, 2007.
Zitelmann, R. “Hitler: The Politics of Seduction.” London House, 1999.
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I had great feedback from many of you in the first episode, so thank you all for that. I hope you all enjoy this video too!
If you’re questioning why the 196th Rifle Division has “disappeared” between the first and second video and then reappears later on in this video, the reason why was explained in my Stalingrad Addendum 1 video. Here’s the link to that https://youtu.be/9p_5viY7V4s
I wanted to say thank you to those of you who were helping me with the pronunciation of the Russian words/names in the comments of the addendum video. It was too late to change the audio for this video, but I will use your audio to (hopefully) improve my pronunciation of the names for the next episode. I did change the way I pronounced “Chuikov” though!
I’ll be doing another “Addendum” video after the end of the first Season, and I encourage you all to watch it (and the first Addendum video, if you haven’t already). The purpose of the Addendum videos is give additional information, to correct the mistakes I’ve made, debate some of the issues that come up, and allow me to respond to some of your comments. The final video of this Season will be released on the 4th of November 2019. After Season 1 I will then break from releasing Stalingrad videos to prepare for Season 2 and answer some Patron Q&As.
A big thanks goes to my Patrons. Without you, this series would not be possible. If you would like to see your name in the future videos of this series, please support my channel and make these videos happen. You can support me here https://www.patreon.com/TIKhistory or https://www.subscribestar.com/tikhistory
Another big thanks goes to Historian Anton Joly, who helped with the research for this series - check out his YouTube channel “Stalingrad Battle Data” (link in the description)!
All sources relating to Stalingrad are listed in the “specific Battlestorm Stalingrad bibliography” link in the description!
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I just want to clarify a couple of bits in the video. (See the first reply to this message for the second point.)
The first point is on the way that the Leftist only gives two ways out of the system: Peaceful Reform or Violent Revolution. Well, a conservative or right-winger might say “why not just work your way out of poverty?” And the answer is: because it’s all to do with the Labour Theory of Value. For a Leftist, the only way to create wealth is by working. So, if all the landlords and business owners have all the labour, then there’s no way to work your way out of the system because they will just skim the excess labour off the top.
And this brings me to the fun part! To a conservative, someone sitting on the dole (state benefits) is a lazy good-for-nothing who is milking the hard working people of their wealth. But to a Leftist, since labour value is being stolen by the landlords and business owners, then it is the landlords and business owners who are the lazy ones. In their mind, landowners and business owners don’t work - they just sit there and let the money roll in. Therefore, a person sat on state benefits isn’t lazy because all they’re doing is receiving the money that was originally stolen from them by the landlords and business owners in the first place.
Yes, in the Leftist world-view (Weltanschauung), the landlords and business owners are the lazy people. The hard workers cashing cheques from the government are not lazy people - they would work if the system wasn’t rigged against them. So yes, it’s the complete opposite to the way that a capitalist or conservative would think.
The problem, of course, is that value is not derived from labour. The Labour Theory of Value was debunked in the 1800s by Carl Menger, shortly after Marx wrote Das Kapital. Value is SUBJECTIVE, meaning that something derives value by individual preferences. https://mises.org/library/subjective-value-theory Therefore, the capitalist doesn’t get his value from the people under him, but by selling products that people want to buy. If value is derived from labour, then no business would ever make a loss. Clearly they do, so value has nothing to do with labour.
Also, the landlords and businessmen do work, and they work a lot harder than most minimum-wage employees realize. It’s only when you rise through the ranks of a corporation, or actually become a landlord, that you realize how hard these guys work, or how much of a risk these guys take with their wealth. It’s stressful, they work long hours, and usually skip holidays or don’t get days off… It’s a nightmare! And the main point is this: THEY ARE WORKERS TOO. Yes, the “capitalists” are often other workers. A worker can be a capitalist simply by having a bank account with some savings in it. But again, all this is foreign to a Leftist.
Finally, Leftists don’t realize that self-employment exists. If the system is rigged against them, then they don’t have to work for the system, and instead could become self-employed. Most don’t think of this, and it’s partly because they believe that they have to be trained or educated in order to become self-employed. And in some respects, this is true. However, they also hold a false belief that the only way to be educated is to be educated by someone else. They think pieces of paper with a grade on it is “education”. Whereas learning things by yourself, or buying books and reading them, is just impossible. You can’t possibly learn things from a book!?! It’s all predicated on this faulty belief that value only comes from labour, and it simply doesn’t.
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Plus the fact that 62,400,000 Soviet people fell under Axis rule by 1942, meaning that the USSR only had 104,600,000 of the original 167,000,000 people it had before the war (source, Table 1.2. from - Harrison, M. "The Economics of World War II: Six Great Powers in International Comparison." Cambridge University Press, 2000.).
And another 26.6 million civilians died as well (according to "The Price of Victory" chapter 8).
Yes, the price of victory was VERY high.
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Specific Sources used in the video (for the benefit of the students out there) -
Beevor, A. “Stalingrad.” Penguin Books, 1999.
Bellamy, C. "Absolute War: Soviet Russia in the Second World War." Pan Books, 2009.
Fritz, S. “Ostkrieg: Hitler’s War of Extermination in the East.” University Press of Kentucky. 2011.
Glantz, D. & House, J. “When Titan’s Clashed.” University Press of Kansas, 2015.
Glantz, D. House, J. “The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 3. Endgame at Stalingrad Book Two: December 1942-February 1943.” University Press of Kansas, 2014.
Hirschfeld, G. “The Policies of Genocide: Jews and Soviet Prisoners of War in Nazi Germany.” Routledge, Kindle 2015 (original 1986).
Mises, L. "Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysis." Liberty Fund, 1981. 1969 edition (roots back to 1922).
Overmans, R. “Deutsche militärische Verluste im Zweiten Weltkrieg.” Oldenbourg, 2004.
Overy, R. “Russia’s War.” Penguin Group, 1999.
"The Cambridge History of the Second World War. Volume I: Fighting the War." Cambridge University Press, 2017.
Cheers!
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Bit of an update: I ‘successfully’ upgraded my computer this week just gone. And by ‘successfully’ I mean, it was a real pain in the neck, took a lot longer than I thought it would, and isn’t quite finished (lots of bugs with Windows 10 I’m trying to figure out, plus waiting for another part to arrive). This is why I didn’t publish more videos last week. But I’m going to publish another video on Wednesday, and possibly another later in the week to try and catch up with the Q&As and other things.
I’m also still working on the ‘big response’ video, got to work on the Stalingrad Season 2 script, got to do more research for Q&As and catch up with them, need to do a long-overdue behind-the-scenes Patron-only video on how I edit videos, and Corporate YouTube and the US government are being a pain at the moment too as many of you probably already know about…
Basically, there’s no rest for the wicked! :)
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Video Timestamps
Q1 [Jen and Aaron] Can you talk a bit about the Russian Winter of 1941? And why has so little been written about the 1941-42 Soviet winter offensive? 00:35
Q2 [Semih Sander] What if the German Army retreated to the pre-Barbarossa positions upon failure to take Moscow, maybe as early as November 41? 09:10
Q3 [Olaf] Assuming that an important objective of Barbarossa was to secure access to raw materials, such as oil and grain; how did the Nazi's initially try to accomplish that? 12:13
Q4 [Ken Goss] How did the Soviets have enough fuel for their 42-45 offensives? 16:10
Q5 [Aaron again] Why do you (TIK) say the Germans replenished their losses when Glantz says Hitler was told they were a million men understrength in 1942? 19:27
Q6 [SparkyBoomer and Craig] Can you further elaborate about their issues with logistics and the apparently long suffering logistics officers who were seemingly constantly ignored? And who were the people responsible for rear echelon logistical security? 26:07
Q7 [Dekabr] Is this blog http://tankarchives.blogspot.com trustworthy. And what would be your thoughts on the soviets "lying" on purely internal documents? 35:09
Q8 [Alexandre] Did the Battle of Stalingrad impact the theory of Urban Warfare? And how much did the Battle of Berlin owe to the Battle of Stalingrad in terms of Urban Warfare doctrine? 43:17
Q9 [Milan] Are you going to further specialize on the eastern front, especially bringing russian sources to the english-speaking audience? 48:34
Q10 [Kirin] What do you think of Budyonny? 52:50
Q11 [Timo] How is your German coming along? What is the first German source you want to use once you master the language enough? 57:33
Q12 [Ricky] What books would you recommend for the North African theater in WWII? 59:26
Q13 [Gregory Mackay] Were you able to find any good books or papers on tanks, and if so what were they? 01:01:53
Q14 [Jen] What's your opinion on Alternate History and self-described "Educational" channels? 01:03:37
Books used/referenced in the video
Liedtke, G. “Enduring the Whirlwind: The German Army and the Russo-German War 1941-1943.” Helion & Company LTD, 2016.
Pitt, B. “The Crucible of War Volume 1: Wavell’s Command. The Definitive History of the Desert War." Cassell & Co, 2001.
Pitt, B. “The Crucible of War Volume 2: Auchinleck’s Command. The Definitive History of the Desert War." Cassell & Co, 2001.
Pitt, B. “The Crucible of War Volume 3: Montgomery and Alamein. The Definitive History of the Desert War." Cassell & Co, 2001.
Pöhlmann, M. "Der Panzer und die Mechanisierung des Krieges: Ein deutsche Geschichte 1890 bis 1945." Schöningh, 2016.
Stahel, D. “The Battle for Moscow.” Cambridge University Press, Kindle, 2015.
Stahel, D. “Operation Barbarossa: Germany’s Defeat in the East.” Cambridge University Press, Kindle, 2010.
Wette, W. & Ueberschär, G. "Stalingrad: Mythos und Wirklichkeit einer Schlacht." 2013.
Wette, W. "The Wehrmacht: History, Myth, Reality." Harvard University Press, 2006.
“Germany and the Second World War: Volume IV/I, The Attack on the Soviet Union.” Militärgeschichtliches Forschungsamt (Research Institute for Military History) Potsdam, Germany. Oxford University Press, 2015.
The books on tanks (and guns) that I said weren’t great -
Fletcher, D. "Crusader and Covenanter Cruiser Tanks 1939-45." Osprey Publishing, 2007.
Henry, C. "British Anti-tank Artillery 1939-45." Osprey Publishing, 2004.
Henry, C. "The 25-pounder Field Gun 1939-72." Osprey Publishing, 2011.
Newsome, B. "Valentine Infantry Tank 1938-45." Osprey Publishing, 2016.
Perrett, B. "Panzerkampfwagen III Medium Tank 1936-44." Osprey Publishing, 2009.
Perrett, B. "Panzerkampfwagen IV Medium Tank 1936-45." Osprey Publishing, 2007.
Zaloga, S. "BT Fast Tank: The Red Army's Cavalry Tank 1931-45." Osprey Publishing, 2016.
Zaloga, S. "T-26 Light Tank: Backbone of the Red Army." Osprey Publishing, 2015.
Zaloga, S. "T-34/76 Medium Tank 1941-45." Osprey Publishing, 2010.
Zaloga, S. "M3 & M5 Stuart Light Tank 1940-45." Osprey Publishing, 2009.
Thanks for watching!
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Sorry. I want to say I’m sorry to all of you. I’ve been struggling to reply to a lot of comments in recent videos and I feel guilty for not replying to each and every one of you. I’m simply overwhelmed by the volume of them. Just know this - I do read every single comment. So I absolutely get your message even if I don’t reply to you. I’m not ignoring you, I just have to be selective. I’ll be around for a few hours after this video releases, so be sure to comment and I’ll try get back to you asap.
My time is limited (who’s isn’t?). Working a full-time job and these videos - it feels as though I have two full-time jobs. But I’m determined to bring you videos every Monday, and I’m working very hard behind the scenes on Battlestorm Operation Crusader, and videos on Stalingrad (including the BIG one), and others. And I want to do more.
I am grateful to every single one of you who have watched my videos, even if you’re critical of them! Whether you agree or disagree, like or hate me, I hope you all can relate to my goals expressed in the video. My ‘agenda’ is to simply learn from the lessons of history. Having a bias towards a certain country or person or language is not ideal, and I’m fully aware of my biases (do you know yours?) and I want to work on them. I keep one eye on my biases at all times, questioning if I’m letting them affect my judgement. This is why my next big task is to learn German, which is actually the next goal on Patreon. If I get more support, I’ll hire a tutor and get practicing properly. Then I want to learn Russian. And then I want to dive into the sources in those languages. And I want to go to the next step, and then to the one after that, until eventually I really can give you something that currently no other channel on YouTube brings - the full perspective of WW2!
This is perhaps ambitious, but it’s not impossible. I’m determined to work hard, and I want us all to grow and learn together.
Thanks for watching. Let me know what got you into history and why you’re still into it. I want to hear your story, and know your history!
Cheers! :)
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Not a great deal to say this time because I pretty much covered everything in the video. No timestamps because this video really requires you to watch from start to finish. Be sure to check out my Operation Crusader series, links in the description.
And yes, videos are out every Monday, regardless of whether it’s Christmas Eve, or New Years Eve, or my birthday (which falls on a Monday this year). No rest for the wicked!
Due to it being Christmas Eve, I won’t be around much to reply to comments this evening, or tomorrow. But I’ll try to catch up over the week. Thanks for all your comments!
Current video plan (subject to change)
31/12/2018 Economics video
01/12/2018 New Year’s Resolutions video (Tuesday)
07/01/2019 Operation Crusader ‘Complete’
14/01/2019 A video on ‘History’ as a concept (no title yet)
21/01/2019 A video on Primary and Secondary Sources
28/01/2019 ?? (Not sure yet, but got several ideas)
04/02/2019 The First video of BATTLESTORM The Courland Pocket 1944-45
I’m actually worried that I won’t get Operation Crusader ‘Complete’ rendered in time, so that’s definitely subject to change. That’s why it’s taking up a Monday-slot, simply because it’s going to take an age and a day just to render out, plus it will allow me to do other work behind the scenes. It’s going to be 9 hours, 12 minutes, and 22 seconds long!
I also want to throw in a couple of Patreon Q&A videos in the mix too, since I’m well behind with them (sorry). These may be done on some of the Mondays if I run out of time. The focus in January 2019 is to get all the prep ready for Battlestorm Courland, starting in February. So I’ve chosen video-content for January that is less work-intensive to allow me to get that prep done behind the scenes (plus give me a break from too much editing).
While the videos in January may not be specifically on WW2, I’ve been meaning to make the ‘History’ and ‘Sources’ videos for a long time now, and I think everyone will benefit greatly from watching them. I see so many misconceptions about the practice of history itself (and historians) that I feel compelled to clear them up. In the current climate, many people feel like they can’t trust anything they read, or are quick to point out ‘bias’ and ‘agendas’ and accuse others of being this or that… the world is a mess! And worse, people have ‘attacked’ me in the comments, saying “I’m doing history wrong”, or that “I need to go back to school”, or that I’m not allowed to give my opinions, or that history is purely about fact and nothing else. They’re also quick to condemn me for doing or saying things that they don’t agree with, saying that this is the “wrong way to do history”, and their reaction is to instantly unsubscribe. The comments sections have also become worse and worse over time, with arguments turning into hate, or wild statements/accusations being thrown about... Well, I’m going to set the record straight.
SELECTED SOURCES/BIBLIOGRAPHY
Sources are the same as the Crusader videos -
Agar-Hamilton, J. & Turner, L. “The Sidi Rezeg Battles 1941.” Oxford University Press, 1957.
Barnett, C. “The Desert Generals.” Kindle, 2nd Edition.
Becket, I. “Rommel: A Reappraisal.” Pen & Sword Ltd, Kindle, 2013.
Bierman, J. & Smith, C. “Alamein: War Without Hate.” Penguin Books, 2003.
Butler, D. “Field Marshal: The Life and Death of Erwin Rommel.” Casemate Publishers, 2015.
Cappellano, F. “Italian Medium Tanks: 1939–45.” New Vanguard, Kindle.
Ford, K. “Operation Crusader 1941: Rommel in Retreat.” Osprey Publishing, 2010.
Harrison, M. "The Economics of World War II: Six Great Powers in International Comparison." Cambridge University Press, Kindle 2005.
Kitchen, M. “Rommel’s Desert War: Waging World War II in North Africa, 1941-1943.” Cambridge University Press, 2009.
Kurowski, F. “Das Afrika Korps: Erwin Rommel and the Germans in Africa, 1941-43.” Stackpole Books, 2010.
Macintyre, B. "SAS: Rogue Heroes." Penguin Random House, Kindle 2016.
Mellenthin, F. "Panzer Battles." Spellmount, 2013.
Mitcham, S. Hitler’s Legions: German Army Order of Battle, World War II. Leo Cooper, 1985.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume One: 1st-290th Infantry Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Two: 291st-999th Infantry Divisions, Named Infantry Divisions, and Special Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Three: Panzer, Panzer Grenadier, and Waffen SS Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “Rommel’s Desert War: The Life and Death of the Afrika Korps.” Stackpole Books, Kindle, 2007.
Mortimer, G. "Kill Rommel! Operation Flipper 1941." Osprey Publishing, Kindle 2014.
Nafziger, G. “The Afrika Korps: An Organizational History 1941-1943.” 1997.
Nash, N. “Strafer Desert General: The Life and Killing of Lieutenant General WHE Gott.” Pen and Sword Books Ltd, Kindle Edition, 2013.
Pitt, B. “The Crucible of War: Auchinleck’s Command. The Definitive History of the Desert War.” Cassell & Co, 2001.
Playfair, I. The Mediterranean and Middle East, Volume II, The Germans come to the Help of their Ally [1941]. The Naval & Military Press LTD, 1956.
Playfair, I. The Mediterranean and Middle East, Volume III, British Fortunes reach their Lowest Ebb [September 1941 to September 1942]. The Naval & Military Press LTD 1960. Ed. 2004.
Rees, L. “The Holocaust: A New History.” Penguin Books, 2017. (yes)
Smart, N. “Biographical Dictionary of British Generals of the Second World War.” Kindle.
Stewart, A.”The Early Battles of Eighth Army: ‘Crusader’ to the Alamein Line 1941-1942.” Lee Cooper Books, 2002.
Zapotoczny, W. "The Italian Army In North Africa: A Poor Fighting Force or Doomed by Circumstance." Fonthill Media Limited, 2018.
Bender, R.J., & Law, R.D., “Uniforms, Organization and History of the Afrikakorps.” R.J.Bender, Publisher, USA, 1973. PDF: “German Kampfgruppe In North Africa 1941 through 1943”.
Jim, H. “Axis Forces in Libya (September, 1941).” FEBRUARY 17, 2010. http://www.comandosupremo.com/Libya1941.html
Moore, G. “Operation Crusader” (Order of Battle) http://gregpanzerblitz.com/Crusader.htm
German generals in Operation Crusader https://rommelsriposte.com/2009/02/03/i-have-a-son-in-russia/
300th Oasis Battalion https://rommelsriposte.com/2010/07/28/oasen-bataillon-z-b-v-300/
British and German Armour Piercing Rounds Penetration Statistics https://www.wwiivehicles.com/
Tobruk Breakout Positions. “The Crusader Project.” 7th September 2014. https://rommelsriposte.com/2014/09/07/making-sense-of-the-tobruk-breakout/
Maughan, B. & Gage, C. “Australia in the War of 1939–1945: Series One: Army
Volume 3 Tobruk and El Alamein.” Chapter 10, 2016. http://tothosewhoserved.org/aus/army/ausarm03/chapter10.html
Badia Garrison from “The British Capture of Bardia (December 1941 - January 1942): A Successful Infantry-Tank Attack (Information Bulletin No. 21, U.S. War Department, WWII)” http://www.lonesentry.com/bardia_intel/index.html
The Official New Zealand History http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-corpus-WH2.html
Full list of all my WW2 and related books can be found here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
Thanks for watching! Bye for now!
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"This comment deserves a responce from TIK"
"Very well written insights! TIK should definitely respond to this"
Okay okay... if you insist :)
1. Let's take the Kar 98k as an example. The Kar 98k has "98" in the name, meaning 1898. But the Kar 98k was created in 1935. This is because, like the British rifle, and others, they had been updated (usually reduced in size) either in or post WW1. My source refers to the fact that the Swedish rifles were still from the previous century, meaning they had not been updated like the other powers had done with their rifles.
2. My source doesn't mention the Motorized Brigade or the Local Defense forces, which is why I didn't mention them. Thank you for explaining that there were more units.
3. My source must have got the numbers wrong.
4. My source must have got the numbers wrong.
5. If I said Sweden got "most" of her equipment from abroad, then I was wrong to use that word. Sweden did make weapons domestically. However, there were some weapons that she didn't make domestically.
6. Again, if I used "gave" when referring to other powers giving arms to Sweden, I apologize. I meant it in the sense "the seller then gave them to her in exchange for the money Sweden gave to them". I probably should have been more specific in my language and said "Sweden purchased arms abroad".
7. Yes, I agree.
8. My source specifically says - “...the ‘Per Albin Line’ on which millions had been spent was garrisoned with a few barely-trained conscripts who had only 50-80 per cent of the required weaponry of machine-guns and anti-tank guns that most did not know how to operate.” Gilmour, “Sweden, the Swastika and Stalin,” P213.
9. That could be true, but my source says Narvik.
10. My source specifically says 85,000 Home Guardsmen were raised for 1940 - but perhaps it was 110,000.
11. Yes, that could be true.
12. Yes, I said that in the video.
13. My source doesn't mention two panzer divisions, but does say that most of the units (or equipment) that were called for never arrived, and the plan didn't get off the drawing board anyway.
14. Exactly.
15. I have no reason to doubt your numbers.
16. My source says it did fear a Communist take over. Gilmour, “Sweden, the Swastika and Stalin,” P101-103.
17. My source calls them "grenade-launchers", and since there's not many sources on Sweden in English, I couldn't verify if it meant grenade-launchers or mortars, so I stuck to the language used. Thank you for clarifying that they were mortars.
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@Wallyworld30 It's not about convincing others, and it's not about "credibility", it's about presenting the facts. I refuse to lie to my audience just because the majority don't like the truth. If they don't accept the evidence, I will shove it in their face. And if they still don't accept it, then there is no more conversation.
Besides, this isn't a waste of time, I have gotten through to some people. And, in addition, it's good for me too. I gained additional knowledge working on this video, as I have on previous ones. The evidence is mounting, and that's a good thing by itself.
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@jancz357 "democracy leads inherently to socialism"
I've heard this a few times, but I'm not so sure. The reason democracy currently leads to socialism is because the majority of people want socialism. Why do they want socialism? Because socialism is popular and has 'won' the argument. Socialists have successfully made the case that their ideology is 'moral' and the alternative is 'immoral'. They can do this because the opposition is branded as 'fascism' or 'nazism', and deny all the failings of their system, or even the very definition of their system.
The reality though is quite different. As I am showing, the Marxists are actually quite immoral. They're exactly the same as Nazis and Fascists, just a different variation. Marxist Socialists are arguing that murder and theft of the bourgeoisie is moral. Ok, but if killing Jews and stealing their possessions is bad, why is killing and stealing from the bourgeoisie good? Turns out that it isn't. Murder and theft is immoral no matter who's being killed or robbed, and socialists are the ones arguing that murder and theft is good, and that judging people by their 'class' 'race' and 'sex' is also the moral thing to do. And they don't like it when people call them out for judging individuals by their supposed social group.
If people understood what socialism was, and understood why it is immoral, then less people would advocate it. More would look into actual economics, and more people would call out those who make socialist arguments. The debates would be won. Thus, fewer people would vote for the theft and murder of the bourgeoisie and more people would vote against it.
Democracy is designed to provide a weak government. It is also designed to provide time for society to win the arguments by those who advocate more state control. Democracy isn't perfect, but it's better than more state control (a dictatorship by the masses or by a monarch etc). To stop socialism, the argument needs to be made - not from a logical stand point, but by an emotional and moral stand point. That, unfortunately, is not happening, and thus we are sleepwalking into totalitarianism.
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Bit of an update regarding Stalingrad. Historian Anton Joly has agreed to help me out with the Stalingrad series, and has already provided me several Russian sources and other information. The script is looking better already! If you like Stalingrad, check out and subscribe to Anton Joly's YouTube channel - "Stalingrad Battle Data". Link: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIk1QDvITjPOCsIRGGpSasA
Also, Season 1’s Stalingrad script is currently 14,924 words long, split into three episodes. I’m still tweaking it here or there, but it’s pretty much the greatest thing I’ve ever written. Map is not finished yet but nearly is so it shouldn’t be too long now. I will let you know as soon as I can confirm a release date.
This Q&A video was more of an opinion piece so I’m not sure which specific books to reference. However, if you want to know more about the concept of “Bewegungskrieg” and the evolution of the German military tradition, Citino’s “Death of the Wehrmacht” goes into it as it describes the campaigns of 1942. Highly recommended book in general if you’re interested in Fall Blau, Stalingrad, or El Alamien.
Cheers!
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NOTES, LINKS and SOURCES
I’ll be discussing the “tank heavy” problem that the British suffer from during my upcoming Operation Crusader video. But in a nutshell, Major General Percy Hobart thought that tanks could win battles on their own. This meant that when he created 7th Armoured Division, he didn’t really think much about the infantry or artillery aspects. He advised Auchinleck, Norrie, and Cunningham for Crusader, which is why they split their tanks from their infantry into two separate corps. In the end, it was the infantry corps (13th) that won the day.
The 1st UK Armoured Division did have an extra brigade (4th Armoured) prior to 2007, but this was dropped. Even so, the ratio of tanks to infantry remains the same.
There are variances, but in general - Binary divisions have two regiments; Triangular divisions have three regiments; Square divisions have four regiments; And Pentomic divisions have five battlegroups (going off the US version, since they’re the only ones to make this type of division ever as far as I’m aware).
Not all German divisions in 1941-42 went from 9 to 6 battalions, so the numbers shown in the video are rough estimates. That said, we know that the Germans replaced their losses, and we know that they increased the number of their divisions. And what we find is that the number of men on the Axis-Soviet Front actually grown in the summer periods of 1941-1943. It is only post Kursk that the Germans have manpower issues and difficulties filling their ranks. Prior to Kursk, they did have shortages (what army doesn’t), but these were usually in the Winter months. The reduction in the size of German divisions in the period 1941-1943 therefore cannot be explained by manpower shortages as usually stated.
I highly recommend the book “Enduring the Whirlwind” by Liedtke (listed below) for a decent discussion on German unit manpower and tank strengths, as well as replacements, in the period 1941-1943. It’s essential reading for anyone interested in the Axis-Soviet Front.
Not a lot has been written on this topic, and most of what has been written doesn’t specifically state why the triangular division concept was the dominating one at the time. House’s book does talk about it, but I’d like a second opinion. I suspect it’s not really an interesting subject for non-military personnel, but it is a topic I’m now interested in. If you have any recommendations for books on the topic of division composition and the transition to a more combined-arms organization, please let me know.
And as you can see from the source list below, I’m needing a lot of books (let alone other equipment) to make these videos. Please consider supporting me on Patreon and make these videos as good as they can be. I’m highly reliant on your support https://www.patreon.com/TIKhistory
And a big thank you goes to my current Patreons for your ongoing support, for which I am super-grateful. As always, you guys are awesome!
VIDEO LINKS
You may be interested in the following videos after watching this one -
How BIG were Soviet Armies and Divisions in 1942? And what impact did this have? https://youtu.be/wDslsMgnphI
Why No German Reinforcements at Stalingrad? https://youtu.be/VQ3-TqeZqeA
Operation Compass 1940-41 (where 20k British troops under O’Connor beat 150k Italians under Marshal Graziani in North Africa, prompting Rommel to be sent to Libya) https://youtu.be/b71kdhj27rk
FALL BLAU 1942 - Examining the Disaster https://youtu.be/hzr6dD8fvVY
The MAIN Reason Why Germany Lost WW2 - OIL https://youtu.be/kVo5I0xNRhg
Your Perception of the WW2 Eastern Front is Wrong https://youtu.be/B-ZHH770WLs
The Numbers Say it All | The Myth of German Superiority on the WW2 Eastern Front https://youtu.be/_7BE8CsM9ds
Stalin’s Purge of the Red Army and Its Effects on the WW2 Eastern Front https://youtu.be/JnWNnI6YlQQ
Kampfgruppen in WW2 https://youtu.be/zKWczZkQ130
And various Order of battle videos -
Paulus's 6th Army ORDER OF BATTLE - Before Stalingrad https://youtu.be/DCDjAqTUCmw
The Axis Order of Battle for Operation Crusader 1941-42 WW2 https://youtu.be/LwPJWb2BUj4
The British Order of Battle for Operation Crusader 1941-42 WW2 https://youtu.be/QCNDEoRDp6I
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Anderson, T. “The History of the Panzerwaffe. Volume 2: 1942-45.” Osprey Publishing, 2017.
Barnett, C. “The Desert Generals.” Kindle, 2nd Edition.
Becket, I. “Rommel: A Reappraisal.” Pen & Sword Ltd, Kindle, 2013.
Butler, D. “Field Marshal: The Life and Death of Erwin Rommel.” Casemate Publishers, 2015.
Ford, K. “Operation Crusader 1941: Rommel in Retreat.” Osprey Publishing, 2010.
Christie, H. “Fallen Eagles: The Italian 10th Army in the Opening Campaign in the Western Desert, June 1940.” Pickle Partners Publishing, 2014.
Glantz, D. “When Titan’s Clashed.” University Press of Kansas, 2015.
Glantz, D. House, J. “The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 1. To the Gates of Stalingrad. Soviet-German Combat Operations, April-August 1942.” University Press of Kansas, 2009.
Guderian, H. “Panzer Leader.” Penguin Books, 2000.
Heyman, C. “The Armed Forces of the United Kingdom 2006-2007.” R & F Defence Publications, 2006.
Hill, A. “The Red Army and the Second World War. (Armies of the Second World War.” Cambridge University Press, 2017.
House, J. “Toward Combined Arms Warfare: A Survey of 20th-Century Tactics, Doctrine, and Organization.” University Press of the Pacific, 2002.
Isaev, A. “Dubno 1941: The Greatest Tank Battle of the Second World War.” Helion & Company, 2017.
Liedtke, G. “Enduring the Whirlwind: The German Army and the Russo-German War 1941-1943.” Helion & Company LTD, 2016.
Mark, J. “Death of the Leaping Horsemen: The 24th Panzer Division in Stalingrad 12th August - 20th November 1942.” Stackpole Books, Kindle 2003.
Mitcham, S. “Hitler’s Legions: German Army Order of Battle World War II.” Redwood Burn Limited, 1985.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume One: 1st-290th Infantry Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Two: 291st-999th Infantry Divisions, Named Infantry Divisions, and Special Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Three: Panzer, Panzer Grenadier, and Waffen SS Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Nafziger, G. The Afrika Korps: An Organizational History 1941-1943. 1997.
Pitt, B. “The Crucible of War: Auchinleck’s Command.” The Definitive History of the Desert War. Cassell & Co, 2001.
Playfair, I. The Mediterranean and Middle East, Volume III, British Fortunes reach their Lowest Ebb [September 1941 to September 1942]. The Naval & Military Press LTD 1960. Ed. 2004.
Internet Sources:
Moore, G. “Operation Crusader” (Order of Battle) http://gregpanzerblitz.com/Crusader.htm
German Army Official Website http://www.deutschesheer.de/
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I want to finish the North African Campaign, Torch, Tunisia, Sicily, Italy, then Normandy, whilst probably doing more on the Eastern Front. The reason I want to go back to North Africa is because we're nearly at Gazala, and then, shortly after, El Alamein, so makes sense to do more on it and get it finished.
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Timestamps
I don’t think you should skip ahead, but here you go anyway -
00:00 Hook
00:20 Introduction
01:35 Context
02:35 Viktor Suvorov’s Thesis
06:20 Keitel at Face Value
17:02 Keitel under the Critical Eye
36:15 Questioning Suvorov
43:50 Summary and Conclusion
Links
Please consider supporting me on Patreon and makes these videos as good as they can be https://www.patreon.com/TIKhistory
A great follow up to this video is “5 tips to improve your critical thinking”. Link: https://youtu.be/dItUGF8GdTw
My previous video on Critical Thinking here - https://youtu.be/_IYPoa0poXQ
Link to Soviet “War-Winning” Tanks in 1941? The Role of Tanks on the Eastern Front WW2 https://youtu.be/DkDiYuWlgV8
Link to my “The MAIN Reason Why Germany Lost WW2 - OIL” video https://youtu.be/kVo5I0xNRhg
Notes
I know the irony of telling people to question everything is that you’ll question the very advice I’m giving to that says to question everything. But it’s true, you should even be questioning what I’m telling you. You should even be questioning what I’m saying. Do your own research and find these things out for yourself.
SPOILER! STOP READING NOW IF YOU HAVEN’T WATCHED THE VIDEO.
No know because of technicalities some people will say what I said about the yellow circle isn’t true. So here’s the technicalities I missed out of the explanation. It’s actually your eyes/retina that see things in blue, green and red. In fact, these are all the primary colours in the color spectrum (that we can see), and are known as the “Additive Colours”. Using certain quantities of red, green and blue light, you can create all of the colors in the visible spectrum, including white light. So, the reason the RGB colour model (RGB= Red Green and Blue) is that used in your electronic devices is because that’s all the colours that are needed. For more information on this subject, see this TED-Ed video https://youtu.be/l8_fZPHasdo
Selected Bibliography/Sources
Gorlitz, W. “The Memoirs of Field Marshal Wilhelm Keitel: Chief of the German High Command 1938-1945.” First Cooper Square Press edition, 2000.
Macdonald, A. “The Nuremberg Trials: The Nazis Brought to Justice.” Arcturus Publishing Ltd, Kindle, 2015.
Mawdsley, E. “Thunder in the East: The Nazi-Soviet War 1941-1945.” Second Edition, Kindle, University of Oxford.
Glantz, D. When Titan’s Clashed. University Press of Kansas, 2015.
Kavalerchik, B. The Price of Victory: The Red Army’s Casualties in the Great Patriotic War. Pen & Sword Military, 2017.
Liedtke, G. Enduring the Whirlwind: The German Army and the Russo-German War 1941-1943. Helion & Company LTD, 2016.
Suvorov, V. “Icebreaker: Who Started the Second World War?” PL UK Publishing, Kindle Edition, 2012.
Such a long video, and I didn’t even include a Wilhelm scream...
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The main source I used here was Cornelius’s “Hungary in World War II” which I highly recommend if you want more details on Hungary. If anyone has any good books on why Italy was on the Eastern Front, let me know, because I’m still not certain why they went East.
Sources
Axworthy, M. "Third Axis Fourth Ally: Romanian Armed Forces in the European War, 1941-1945." Arms and Armour Press, pdf 1995.
Cornelius, D. “Hungary in World War II: Caught in the Cauldron.” Fordham University Press, Kindle 2011.
Glantz, D. House, J. “The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 3. Endgame at Stalingrad Book One: November 1942..” University Press of Kansas, 2014.
Glantz, D. House, J. “The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 3. Endgame at Stalingrad Book Two: December 1942-February 1943.” University Press of Kansas, 2014.
Hamilton, H. "Sacrifice on the Steppe: The Italian Alpine Corps in the Stalingrad Campaign, 1942-1943." Casemate Publishers, 2016.
Hitler, A. "Mein Kampf." Jaico Publishing House, 2017.
Trigg, J. "Death on the Don: The Destruction of Germany's Allies on the Eastern Front, 1941-44." The History Press 2017.
von Kuehnelt-Leddihn, E. "Leftism: From de Sade and Marx to Hitler and Marcuse." Arlington House Publishers, PDF 1974.
A full list of all my WW2 and related books can be found here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
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The number of Axis divisions in Glantz’s table does not list German security or Luftwaffe Divisions (some of which actually took part in the fighting), and so might explain the discrepancy between the 72 German divisions I read elsewhere, and the 68 listed here.
Glantz does say that most Soviet divisions usually had 2,500 to 5,000 men in the field, and that Soviet brigades had 4,000 to 5,000 men. This suggests that the Soviet brigades were newer formations than the divisions, since they were filled to capacity more percentage-wise vs the divisions, and (since they’re roughly the same size as divisions in the field) perhaps this is why they’ve been called “demidivisions”. Glantz does say this -
“As a result, in the late summer and fall of 1941, the People’s Commissariat of Defense (NKO) truncated the organizational structure of its rifle divisions and began forming smaller rifle brigades, in reality, demi (light)-divisions, in their stead. Although their reduced size made them ideal vehicles for training Red Army command cadre in how to command and control forces at division-level and below, these weak rifle divisions lacked firepower and mobility sufficient to conduct or sustain high-intensity mobile defensive or offensive operations, and, as a result, they often suffered catastrophic losses at the hands of the more experienced and stronger Wehrmacht.
“Therefore, in the spring of 1942, the NKO ceased forming rifle brigades, began converting rifle brigades into full divisions, and slowly but progressively increased the rifle divisions’ firepower and logistical support by adding new weapons and supporting subunits to the rifle division’s organizational structure.” - Glantz, “Colossus Reborn” P180
So, this was a deliberate policy from the Soviet high command, which effectively handicapped their own forces. When you hear about how the Germans were able to run rings around the Soviet forces in 1941 (after the first couple weeks, when the Germans destroyed the original Red Army units at the border) and cause heavy casualties on them, then this is one of the big reasons why. Soviet divisions and generals clearly couldn’t go toe-to-toe with a German division, not because they were bad, but because they were outnumbered on the tactical level.
This begs the question - would it have been better to just keep producing normal divisions rather than independent rifle brigades? Would the inexperienced Red Army officers have been able to manage in combat better with full divisions compared to demidivisions? And why would the Soviet high command deliberately handicap themselves like this, even bearing in mind the lack of experience in the officer corps? As I said in the video, this is a topic that needs to be looked into in further detail. But I’d love to hear your thoughts on this below.
LINKS
Please consider supporting me on Patreon and make these videos as good as they can be https://www.patreon.com/TIKhistory
VIDEO: Stalin’s Purge of the Red Army and Its Effects on the WW2 Eastern Front https://youtu.be/JnWNnI6YlQQ
VIDEO: Fall Blau 1942 - Examining the Disaster https://youtu.be/hzr6dD8fvVY
VIDEO: Paulus's 6th Army ORDER OF BATTLE - Before Stalingrad https://youtu.be/DCDjAqTUCmw
Coming soon - the Soviet Order of Battle for pre-Stalingrad (i.e. 62nd and 64th Armies)
SELECTED SOURCES / BIBLIOGRAPHY
Citino, R. “Death of the Wehrmacht: The German Campaigns of 1942.” University of Kansas, 2007.
Glantz, D. “Colossus Reborn: The Red Army at War, 1941-1943.” University Press of Kansas, 2005.
Glantz, D. House, J. “The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 1. To the Gates of Stalingrad. Soviet-German Combat Operations, April-August 1942.” University Press of Kansas, 2009.
Glantz, D. “When Titan’s Clashed.” University Press of Kansas, 2015.
Jones, M. “Stalingrad: How the Red Army Triumphed.” Pen & Sword Military, 2016.
Liedtke, G. “Enduring the Whirlwind: The German Army and the Russo-German War 1941-1943.” Helion & Company LTD, 2016.
Sokolov, B. “Marshal K.K. Rokossovsky: The Red Army’s Gentleman Commander.” Helion & Company, Kindle 2015.
As noted in the video, I need to learn German and Russian asap!
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Hey everyone, more videos are coming this week (including tomorrow). As I said in the community post I made earlier, I’ve decided last-minute to not publish the original video I was going to publish today. It was a ‘tank’ WW2 video on a sensitive topic, but given our current climate, I don’t think it would be wise to publish it in its current form. So I’m going to ‘sleep on it’ and maybe rewrite it (again) for a release at some point in the future.
Instead, I published this one, which is probably the shortest video I’ve ever made. And I’m going to publish several short quick-fire videos this week (and possibly next) on a variety of topics, some Q&A’s, some not.
Also, this video isn't fully monetized by YouTube for some reason. I’ve no idea why, but yes, even this one has been ‘Limited’. You can’t make this up.
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Pinned Comment
Part of the reason I wanted to look into this topic was because I’m working on a Courland Pocket 1944 documentary, which will be out very soon. Finland realises the game is up in late 1944 as Army Group North struggles to hold onto the Baltic. Finland may, or may not, be one of the reasons Army Group North gets trapped in the Courland Pocket, so I thought it was worth exploring the reasons why Finland went to war in the first place.
I have begun editing Courland, and I’m hoping to have the first episode out either next Monday or the Monday after. Currently all my focus and effort is going into making that series as good as it possibly can be.
Selected Sources
(These were the most relevant)
Lunde, H. "Finland's War of Choice: The Troubled German-Finnish Coalition in World War II." Casemate Publishers, 2011.
Trotter, W. "The Winter War: The Russo-Finnish War of 1939-40." Aurum Press Ltd, 2003.
Wuorinen, J. “Finland and World War II, 1939-1944.” Pickle Partners Publishing, 2015.
Ziemke, E. “The German Northern Theatre of Operations: 1940-1945.” Pickle Partners Publishing, Kindle 2014 (original 1956).
Zeimke, E. “From Stalingrad to Berlin: The Illustrated Edition.” Pen & Sword, Kindle 2014.
“Germany and the Second World War: Volume IV/I, The Attack on the Soviet Union.” Militärgeschichtliches Forschungsamt (Research Institute for Military History) Potsdam, Germany. Oxford University Press, 2015.
The full list of my history books (currently 333) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
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BIG Announcement!
Because the script is finally done (75,423 words) and because I’m having Battlestorm-withdrawal symptoms, I have decided that Battlestorm Operation Crusader must come out NOW. And, because the laws of space-time dictate that I can’t create Monday videos and Battlestorm at the same time, I’m committing 100% to Crusader. I didn’t want to do it like this, and the script is not set up for it to be released like this, and I’m not sure if I can actually do it in such a short space of time, but I’m biting the bullet and releasing Crusader in weekly episodes, starting from next week.
In theory, it will be the same as I did with Battlestorm Operation Market Garden where I published several episodes and then put them together into one long video at the end. The only problem is that I actually had Market Garden finished when I started releasing episodes; with Crusader that will not be the case. So any and all mistakes made in the script will have to be ironed out on the fly… which means that if I notice a mistake half-way through that impacts a previous episode - tough luck!
However, the benefits will hopefully outweigh the cons. I’m expecting Crusader to be 7-8 hours long, and I’ll never get it finished if I carry on creating Monday videos. Therefore the only way to finish it is to supplant the normal Monday videos for Crusader.
Now, practically the script was not designed for this, so I’m having to improvise massively. I also don’t know how long each episode will be, nor how many episodes there will actually be. It will be at least 11 episodes, but probably several more. Each of these will vary in length, simply because certain days of the operation are much longer than others etc. But regardless of the logistical issues the offensive must continue! And by that, I mean, Crusader is happening whether we’re ready for it or not.
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In light of the pro-censorship stance our beloved Collectivist-Corporations are currently taking, I’ve started backing up my videos on BitChute https://www.bitchute.com/channel/aqCvYwXmjslI/
Please consider subscribing to me on there. I couldn’t get BitChute to work on Chrome, so if Chrome blocks you too, I’d recommend the Brave browser (which also blocks 3rd Party trackers). All new videos will be uploaded on BitChute, and I’m slowly reuploading my old videos there as well. YouTube will continue to be the main focus unless the censorship-hammer pays a visit. And yes, Corporations originally came from the Marxist Revolutionary Syndicalist movement, as I explained in my Mussolini and Fascism video https://youtu.be/06vJY9nLMXU
Given that this was more of a random opinion piece episode, a list of sources is not really relevant. However, the source on Lend Lease which talked about the amount of food and munitions consumption of the American and Soviet soldiers and the Molotov-Roosevelt meeting was Tuyll’s “Feeding the Bear: American Aid to the Soviet Union, 1941-1945.”
Next week will be Courland episode 10, and in two weeks time will be the update to the “The REAL Reason why Hitler HAD to start WW2” video where I’ll explain why the shrinking markets isn’t taught in relation to Hitler’s ideology. Don’t expect a Q&A that week because I expect another Collectivist backlash like I’ve had on the previous video. Yes, that “Hitler HAD to start WW2” video and others have been brigaded by Collectivists who are of the opinion that “Churchill started WW2” and “Hitler didn’t want war” and that I “should try reading Mein Kampf” (even though I did quote from Mein Kampf in the video). That video received 95% likes in the first 48 hours, but since then has slowly degraded to 83.8% as a flood of Holocaust Denialists have come from neo-Collectivist websites. Several of you (notably b52gf16c) were in the comments questioning the logic of the Denialists and hitting hard with some heavy truths. Thank you for your vigilance in the fight against totalitarians.
For a full list of all my WW2 books, check out this list https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
Thanks for watching!
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NOTES and SOURCES
Part 2 will be next week. And no, you’re going to have to wait.
Yes, I did mispronounce Weichs. I realised during editing but not enough time to go back. More like “Viche” or “Vy-shhh”. I mispronounce it next week too since that was recorded the same time as this video, but I’ve learnt my lesson and I won’t be mispronouncing it during the main Battle of Stalingrad documentary.
And that’s the benefit of doing these Monday videos. I get a chance to fix my mistakes in preparation for the big videos. Because they are coming. Operation Crusader is getting there now, with a lot of the research and a lot of the units having been made already. The main Battlestorm Stalingrad documentary is also coming together, thanks to these videos. And yes, it will happen. It’s just a question of time.
If you haven’t seen my in-depth Battlestorm documentaries, see this playlist https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNSNgGzaledgHIszXQVDreX-ZC1Xejf9Y
And please consider supporting me on Patreon to make these videos as good as they can be. If you become a Patreon now, your name will be included in all future videos! Link https://www.patreon.com/TIKhistory
The fantastic video "The Soviet-German War, 1941-1945: Myths and Realities" by COL (Ret) David M. Glantz https://youtu.be/5qkmO7tm8AU
SOURCES (Selected)
Beevor, A. “Stalingrad.” Penguin Books, 1999.
Glantz, D. House, J. “The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 3. Endgame at Stalingrad Book Two: December 1942-February 1943.” University Press of Kansas, 2014.
Hayward, J. “Stopped at Stalingrad: The Luftwaffe and Hitler’s Defeat in the East 1942-1943.” University Press of Kansas, 1998.
Manstein, E. “Lost Victories.” Zenith Press, 2004.
“Germany and the Second World War: Volume VI/II, The Global War.” Militärgeschichtliches Forschungsamt (Research Institute for Military History) Potsdam, Germany. Oxford University Press, 2015. [referred to as the “Official German History” in the video]
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Hey kids! Are you ready to drink some salty tears? Here’s some more quotes from comments on my previous videos which get this wrong for various reasons. It’s even better now that you know the difference between a good and bad ‘revisionist’ historian. Note that most of these are just insults because very few people who dislike my videos know how to construct valid counterarguments. Also note, I’ve taken snippets from some of the comments because they proceeded to drone on and on with more of the same rubbish -
“** tier revisionist history who thinks he is so smart. Goering still told Hitler that it could be done so you didn't disprove anything. Clickbait/fakenews title.” - That’s not what the definition of clickbait is. If you’d clicked on the video expecting to hear about the Stalingrad airlift, but instead it was just some guy walking down the street, that’s clickbait. My videos are not that. Also “fakenews” doesn’t makes sense considering this is a history channel talking about events from 80 years previously. Nor was it fake. Plus, you didn’t disprove the Jeschonnek didn’t tell Hitler that the 6th Army could be supplied by air, so the argument stands. From ‘The BIG Stalingrad Airlift Myth’ https://youtu.be/feeYOqQkr3M
“I'm sick of revisionist who want to understate the American roll in the war.” - by saying the Soviets did the majority of the fighting? 8 out of 10 Germans died on the Eastern Front. Saying that the US won the war is actually understating the role of the USSR during the war, which is equally as bad. Also, the video this comment is from had nothing to do with USA! From ‘Your Perception of the WW2 Eastern Front is Wrong’ https://youtu.be/B-ZHH770WLs
“This is a terrible analysis by TIK. It is basically completely wrong. TIK has been reading way too much Glantz who is a well known revisionist.” - so reading the latest analysis of the Stalingrad Campaign in addition to all the old narratives which have been disproven over and over again is a bad thing? No, it’s only bad because you’re wrong and don’t actually have a counter-argument. From ‘The BIG Stalingrad Airlift Myth’ https://youtu.be/feeYOqQkr3M
“This Revisionist Video attempts 2 lay the blame at General Manstein's feet.” - yep! It sure does. And it succeeded in doing so because the only counter-arguments made were people calling me a “revisionist”, or people ignoring the argument I made and insisting Manstein’s biased memoirs were still right - even though they’re wrong. From ‘Manstein is LYING! Breakout at Stalingrad Part 2’ https://youtu.be/uzAzpIdDNcI
“This video is possibly the worst one that TIK has done . Just hopeless. It is totally wrong. This guy has to stop reading revisionist historians like Glantz.” - great counter-argument you have there. I think your argument is wrong, and your comment is wrong. See? Very easy for me to counter you too. Oh, and I guess we all may as well start burning books, since anything written post-1945 is going to be wrong, according to this guy. From ‘FALL BLAU 1942 - Examining the Disaster’ https://youtu.be/hzr6dD8fvVY
“Argument 1: True (duh). Argument 2: True (also duh). Argument 3: Revisionist ****, you could make claims like these at any level of the failures of this operation [Market Garden]. Ultimately this is not a British vs American vs Polish failure. The buck stops with Eisenhower and Montgomery.” - No, Gavin of the 82nd Airborne is at fault for not capturing the Nijmegen bridge on day 1, which lead to the failure of the operation. Call it what you want, but unless you present a valid counterargument, you’ve not disproven anything. From ‘The REAL Operation Market Garden’ https://youtu.be/vTUC79o4Kmc
“Typical revisionism. Gavin had to secure his drop zones for re-supply, or he would have wound up like the British Paras. Out of supply and forced to capitulate to the Germans. Apparently the people who make these revisionist videos have never been paratroopers, or in combat.” - yes, because unless you’ve been a super-elite-sniper-ex-marine-navy-seal-SAS-one-man-army-warrior you just don’t know what you’re talking about. Also, you do realise that the video you watched where you commented this was about what COLONEL JOHN FROST said about who was to blame for Market Garden. He was in the military, and he was there! He said the blame should be laid at Nijmegen, and was one of the first to do so. And absolutely nobody was claiming Gavin had to leave the drop zone undefended. Gavin sent Warren’s battalion later on in the day, so clearly he could have done it six hours earlier. From ‘Who to Blame? John Frost on Operation Market Garden's Failure WW2’ https://youtu.be/7C_HoMVhKAI
“I'm very suspicious of revisionist history but this is a very decent piece of work which makes a whole lot of sense to me.” - Finally a positive comment! Don’t be suspicious of revisionist history. Be suspicious all all history. From ‘Your Perception of the WW2 Eastern Front is Wrong’ https://youtu.be/B-ZHH770WLs
“revisionist ** ** deiged to place on the Americans instead of the cowardly Brits... America bashing, the current popular pastime of all hisotry revisionists” - this comment got several likes. Nobody was bashing the Americans. Just because General Gavin happens to be from the US, doesn’t mean we have to resort to a childish “US vs Brits” argument. Nobody cares who’s country is better that who’s. That’s an argument for children. Get over it. From ‘The REAL Operation Market Garden’ https://youtu.be/vTUC79o4Kmc
“Interesting how most white millennials of European heritage have such guilt of that (such as this typical British great- grandchild of the British who fought and died against a terrifying German war machine) that they want to lie about and rewrite history to redeem and glorify themselves.” - drink up those salty tears everyone! I like the fact that the video had absolutely nothing to do with anything this guy was talking about. Honestly, I’ve got nothing, except ‘racism’ is a synonym of ‘ignorance’. From ‘Your Perception of the WW2 Eastern Front is Wrong’ https://youtu.be/B-ZHH770WLs
“Utterly appalling revisionism. You sound like a communist sympathiser..” - Great counter-argument there. I was called a fascist on my Croatian Legion video. I can be a lot of things, but I can’t be both! From ‘Your Perception of the WW2 Eastern Front is Wrong’ https://youtu.be/B-ZHH770WLs
“This is typical "Bail Monty out revisionism".” - who was bailing out Montgomery? You can still blame Montgomery for the failure of Operation Market Garden, even if Gavin messed up at Nijmegen. From ‘Who’s to Blame for the Failure of Operation Market Garden?’ https://youtu.be/SkZIAhpbW7I
Now for some ‘great’ counter-arguments -
“your concluson doesn't fit the numbers.” - really? How does it not fit the numbers? Care to explain? Apparently not. This was his entire comment. Talk about a terrible counter-argument. If you’re reading this and you’re in education, this is how not to present a counter-argument. Stating “you’re wrong” is not a counter-argument. And yet somehow this comment got 10 likes. Ten people liked this comment!?!?!? What were they thinking!? From ‘The Numbers Say it All | The Myth of German Superiority on the WW2 Eastern Front’ https://youtu.be/_7BE8CsM9ds
Right, final comment, and it’s a special one. I have always considered this to be the most stupid comment on any of my videos ever. It was posted about a year and a half ago, and I have never forgotten it. Drum-roll please -
“I get a sense of anti-Americanism here especially when describing the 82nd AB crossing the river and the reference to old men and young boys were overwhelmed. Being a veteran, that stuff really disappoints me.”
This comment has always stuck with me because it highlights the problem people have with history. If you’re unwilling to let go of your patriotic-pride (or your political/economic/social/racial/sexual/religious/or-whatever pride), and get offended when someone presents evidence that you don’t like, you’re going to have a bad time. This “veteran” was offended that I said in the video that the 82nd Airborne crossed the Waal in boats against old men and young boys who were firing at them. This was clearly anti-Americanism… apparently. Well, no. No it wasn’t. Here was my reply -
“The unit facing the 82nd was SS-Captain Schwappacher's training regiment of artillerymen. "Many of the German defenders were 15-year-old teenagers, or 60-year-old previous exemptions from service. They were totally unprepared to meet those enraged paratrooper veterans rushing at them." - Kershaw, R. 'It Never Snows in September' Surry, 2007. p197.
“If anything, that's a compliment to the 504th. They crossed a river in boats like marines which they weren't trained for, lost unit cohesion in the ensuing chaos and yet still had the tenacity to individually overwhelm the unit facing them on the far bank that had been ruthlessly killing them moments before. Despite being old men and young boys, the Germans did have machine guns and 20mm cannon. Half the boats didn't make it. And as I said in the video, this was probably one of the most heroic acts of the war.
“I made this documentary to dispel the myths of the battle and tell exactly what happened. Everything is based on the facts given in the sources listed in the video description. Even the conclusion at the end is based on arguments that historians have made and are making - which I do agree with as that conclusion makes more sense to me than the others. Feel free to debate it with me.”
Needless to say, he never replied.
Thank you for watching and reading. Please think twice before getting offended at things.
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Part 1 “Paulus in NOT to blame!” is here https://youtu.be/USCyLcjdH4s
Yes, I did mispronounce Weichs again. These two videos were recorded at the same time. It’s Vikes!
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The fantastic video "The Soviet-German War, 1941-1945: Myths and Realities" by COL (Ret) David M. Glantz https://youtu.be/5qkmO7tm8AU
Fact - Manstein never once issued the order to breakout, but claims several times that he and his Army Group (Don) gave the order. Here are some of the claims and suggestions that the order was given -
“The immediate problem - that is, from 19th till 25th December - was whether Sixth Army would actually be able and willing to carry out the order issued to it.” - Manstein P337
“Although the Army Group strove by its order to absolve him of that responsibility, he still felt unable to acquit himself of it, either vis-a-vis Hitler or before his own conscience.” - Manstein P342
“In the week that followed the Army Group’s order for an immediate break-out, the fate of Sixth Army was decided.” - Manstein P342
Full order from Manstein to Sixth Army which supposedly gave the order to breakout -
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1. Fourth Pz. Army (57 Pz. Corps) has beaten enemy in area Verkhnye Kimsky and reached Myshkova at Nizh Kimsky. Attack launched against strong enemy grouping in area Kamenka and north of here. Hard fighting still expected.
Situation on Chir front does not permit forces west of Don to advance on Kalach. Chirskaya in enemy hands.
2. Sixth Army will begin ‘Winter Tempest’ attack earliest possible. Aim will be to link up with 57 Pz. Corps, if necessary by advancing beyond Donskaya Tsaritsa, for purpose of getting convoy through.
3. Development of situation may make it necessary to extend task in para 2 up to Myshkova. Code-word ‘Thunderclap’. In this case the aim must likewise be to establish contact with 57 Pz. Corps in order to get convoy through, and then, by covering flanks on the lower Karpovka, to bring army forward towards the Myshkova simultaneously with sector-by-sector evacuation of fortress area.
It is essential that Operation ‘Thunderclap’ should immediately follow ‘Winter Tempest’ attack. Supply by air must be carried out in the main without advance stockpiling. Important to hold Pitomnik airstrip as long as possible.
All weapons and artillery which can be moved, primarily guns needed for the fighting and also any weapons and equipment which are difficult to replace, will be taken along. To this end they will be moved in good time to the south-west of the pocket.
4. All necessary preparations to be made for action laid down in para. 3. Only to be implemented on express issue of ‘Thunderclap’.
5. Reports day and time on which you can attack in accordance with para. 2.
”
-- end of quote
Clearly, that does not say “Breakout now please, Paulus.”
No, the reality is that the code-word ‘Thunderclap’ never came.
SOURCES (Selected)
Beevor, A. “Stalingrad.” Penguin Books, 1999.
Glantz, D. House, J. “The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 3. Endgame at Stalingrad Book Two: December 1942-February 1943.” University Press of Kansas, 2014.
Hayward, J. “Stopped at Stalingrad: The Luftwaffe and Hitler’s Defeat in the East 1942-1943.” University Press of Kansas, 1998.
Manstein, E. “Lost Victories.” Zenith Press, 2004.
“Germany and the Second World War: Volume VI/II, The Global War.” Militärgeschichtliches Forschungsamt (Research Institute for Military History) Potsdam, Germany. Oxford University Press, 2015. [referred to as the “Official German History” in the video]
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Hey everyone, I’m going to have another video up this week talking about Günter Reimann’s “Vampire Economy” (primary source document published 1939) as part of another Patron Q&A. It’ll probably be up on Thursday. You can get this book online as a free PDF if you want to do some reading beforehand. I would highly recommend it because it’s a great source for understanding Nazi Germany, even if it does have a few flaws… as I’ll discuss in the next video.
I am behind with the Q&As (as usual) so I apologize to those who have asked questions and haven’t yet had them answered. I’m currently reading up on Mussolini and Italy for a future video on them, as well as the German economy, and I’m trying to find information on chemical weapons in WW2 in order to answer some more.
Was Finland part of the Axis of WW2? Or was it a co-belligerent? Let me know what you think below. I’m willing to change my mind on the subject if your evidence/interpretation is superior than the counterarguments.
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Dix, A. "The Norway Campaign and the Rise of Churchill 1940." Pen&Sword, Kindle 2014.
Haupt, W. "Army Group North: The Wehrmacht in Russia 1941-1945." Schiffer Publishing Ltd, 1997.
Hitler, A. "Mein Kampf." Jaico Publishing House, 2017.
Hitler, A. "Zweites Buch (Secret Book): Adolf Hitler's Sequel to Mein Kampf." Jaico Publishing House, 2017.
Hunt, V. “Blood in the Forest: The End of the Second World War in the Courland Pocket.” Helion & Company Limited, 2017.
Glantz, D. "The Battle for Leningrad 1941-1944." University Press of Kansas, 2002.
Glantz, D. "The Siege of Leningrad 1941-1944: 900 Days of Terror." Brown Partworks Ltd, 2001.
Lunde, H. "Finland's War of Choice: The Troubled German-Finnish Coalition in World War II." Casemate Publishers, 2011.
Newton, S. “Retreat from Leningrad: Army Group North 1944/1945.” Schiffer Military History, 1995.
Wuorinen, J. “Finland and World War II, 1939-1944.” Pickle Partners Publishing, 2015.
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"My question was: What is your opinion on Lipstadt's refusal to debate so called "deniers"? You didnt respond to that. Does that lend her opinion on the holocaust any credence?"
She should debate them. I understand why she doesn't, since they're anti-Semites and she's Jewish so they'll just be attacking her racially rather than coming up with decent arguments, but she should debate them.
As far as your other points, individuals get things wrong all the time. Now I don't know about that particular debate, but assuming she was wrong, that doesn't prove that the Holocaust didn't happen or that she's lying - she may have just been mistaken. I get things wrong from time to time. Unless you're a god, you're not perfect and will make mistakes. That mistake doesn't prove that the Holocaust didn't happen, nor does it prove that Lipstadt is lying on a whole. In fact, Evans in his book explains that Lipstadt did make some mistakes in her original book, but no where near the same number as Irving did, and she was correct to call Irving out for his deliberate distortion of the evidence.
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All of them.
No seriously, if you’re not using all of them, you’re doing it wrong ;)
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And yes, it’s kinda hard to list my sources for this video, considering that this lesson was learnt at college/university.
The point of the video isn’t really to discuss Manstein’s dates being wrong
(but if you insist, see Glantz, D. “Endgame at Stalingrad Book Two: December 1942 - February 1943. The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 3.” University Press of Kansas, 2014.)...
...or if the term “Dark Ages” is truly defunct or not (or even if the Dark Ages were a “Phantom Age” ~ whoooooo ~ scary stuff - see Scott, E. “A Guide to the Phantom Dark Age.” 2014.)...
...or if Caesar was born of cesarean (Goldsworthy, A. “Caesar.” Orian Books, 2007.). “Although the procedure would later bear his name, there is no ancient evidence to suggest that Caesar was delivered by Caesarean section, although the procedure was known in the ancient world. In fact, it is extremely unlikely, since the operation was usually fatal for the mother and Aurelia lived on for decades.” P42
The point of the video is to say why “revisionist historians” are good. The term “revisionist historian” has two meanings - one good, and one bad. People do not seem to realise this and use the term for the negative more often than the positive. Well, revisionism is necessary for history. Without it we’d never learn the truth, and we’d never correct the mistakes historians have made in the past. So there needs to be a split between the good revisionism and the bad revisionism.
Therefore, revisionist historians are good. Distorians are bad.
And all modern historians should be revisionists. Disagree? Let’s see a compelling counter-argument that explains why you should just believe the words of early-historians. And why you shouldn’t question everything you read, see or hear. I’d love to hear it.
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Sorry again that the video was not out on time. Everything was fine until it took an absolute age to render. I suspect it’s the size of the map I’m using. I’ll know for next time.
The sources are vague on Operation Doppelkopf, including the one German source I have on it (although the maps were pretty good). I’m fairly confident that the German unit positions in this episode are correct for the most part, but I’m not 100% certain about corps-level and below on the Soviet side. The sources I have do not speak much about the Red Army, and those that do don’t go into detail. I found one source that shows the Red Army unit positions for the beginning of the operation, but that’s it. This is why I was able to show the divisional positions at one point, and then they disappeared. The German accounts are also vague about their own unit positions and don’t place many units below divisional level on the map - with the exception of 14th Panzer Division.
I could not find information on which “German and Latvian” forces fought at Jelgava. It could be the 81st or 93rd Infantry Divisions, but that’s purely at a guess.
I do find it interesting that several panzer and motorized division were used in this operation, but weren’t able to break through Soviet lines. The Red Army units (mostly rifle divisions from what I can find) were able to block the elite divisions of the German Army, despite reaching the Baltic Coast and being stretched out and exhausted after weeks of advancing and fighting. This is partly why I suspect the Warsaw Uprising was a little premature. If the Soviets couldn’t hold onto the Baltic Coast at this point, then it does lend credibility to the idea that they also couldn’t get to Warsaw due to their logistical overstretch. Thoughts?
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That's actually what I'm hoping for! Sadly, many subscribe to the German (Leopold von Ranke) philosophy of history where you "just present the facts" and there is no debate. That's why you get the "ultimate truth" outlook. Unfortunately, history theory shows us that 'history lies in the heart of the debate'. Without the debate you can't figure out the truth because the "facts" are all over the place and don't necessarily lead us to the correct interpretations. That's why debate is necessary, so we can figure out the truth through argument and counter-argument (testing the thesis like you would do in science). I've been over this concept in my history theory video https://youtu.be/PvpJEc-NxVc
Plus you must bear in mind that many YouTubers are playing it safe as a result of the current political culture and YouTube's terms of service. They'll discuss tanks, weapons and training - stuff where the debate is limited to "what's your favourite tank", which isn't controversial. I totally understand why they do this, but it does mean that the audience is not seeing the potential benefits of a serious academic debate over a more important topic (like this video, or the Hitler's Socialism debate).
They also present themselves as a-political or non-political, which I know for a fact is untrue. They hide their political beliefs, deceiving people into thinking they're impartial and therefore trustworthy. I know why they're doing this (partly Ranke, partly so as not to rock the boat), but in their quest to be trustworthy, all they've done is hidden their cards up their sleeves, which actually makes them untrustworthy if you think about it. People may not agree with my stance on certain topics, but at least they know what that stance is. For all you know, one of these other YouTubers could be a secret [insert-whatever-bad-person-you-like-here].
Of course, it's more difficult to get into these debates, and people aren't mature enough to stop themselves from getting emotional and insulting each other. But in theory, everybody would benefit from a serious and academic debate on more 'controversial' topics. And for this reason, I think a debate would be good for the community here on YouTube, and would be entertaining for everyone.
Plus, I want someone who's actually mature (unlike my current critics) who can take an opposing stance to my work, so that I can see if my arguments hold up to scrutiny, or if I need to clarify certain points, or do more research on certain things to back up my points. It's not easy to do that without someone with an opposing view.
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Here’s the full quote from the German official history of the war -
“What is certain, however, is that Hitler had been closely considering the question of supplying Sixth Army from the air while he was still on the Obersalzberg, and that he had arrived at a positive assessment of that option. At any rate, he had discussed the subject a few hours prior to his departure with Colonel-General Jeschonnek, Chief of the Luftwaffe General Staff, who was present at Berchtesgaden. It seems that Jeschonnek - aware of Richthofen’s pessimistic attitude, but possibly misjudging the basic conditions - did at least not dispute the possibility of temporary aerial provisioning in principle.
“This was enough for Hitler to settle on the solution to the crisis which was to him the most attractive psychologically - holding on to Stalingrad.”
- “Germany and the Second World War: Volume VI/II, The Global War.” Militärgeschichtliches Forschungsamt (Research Institute for Military History) Potsdam, Germany. Oxford University Press, 2015.
The question now becomes - why was this lie accepted by academic historians? Why did no one check the facts? And how can we prevent such myths in the future? Let us know in the comments below.
Main Sources used -
Beevor, A. “Stalingrad.” Penguin Books, 1999.
Glantz, D. and House, J. “Endgame at Stalingrad, Book One: November. The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 3.” University Press of Kansas, 2014.
Kershaw, I. “Hitler: Nemisis 1936-1945.” Penguin Books, 2001.
Manstein, E. “Lost Victories.” Zenith Press, 2004.
Overy, R. Russia’s War. Penguin Books, 1999.
Shirer, W. “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.” Pan Books, 1964.
“Germany and the Second World War: Volume VI/II, The Global War.” Militärgeschichtliches Forschungsamt (Research Institute for Military History) Potsdam, Germany. Oxford University Press, 2015.
Wikipedia. “Hermann Göring. Decline on all fronts.” 07/01/2018. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_G%C3%B6ring#Decline_on_all_fronts
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Good old Halder. We’ve seen Halder do this sort of thing before in previous battles in the North African Campaign, and during Fall Blau (links to these videos are in the description). And his manipulation of the historiography after the war has clouded our perception of the Second World War. So yes, the Halder Hate is strong. What do you think?
A couple of interesting points -
Gause would later go on to be the Chief of Staff of German troops in the Courland Pocket.
According to the British official history, the HQ unit of Oberstleutnant Knabe’s 104th Schützen Regiment, but the infantry battalions were not provided with lorries. I can’t be sure if that’s true or not, or if he was just referring to Bach’s battalion at Halfaya? Considering that this division was very mobile throughout Crusader, and Operation Sommernachtstraum (as we’ll see next week), it’s unlikely that the infantry didn’t have lorries.
I’ve decided to keep the Afrika Division as “the Afrika Division” throughout this series. One source says it changed names on the 28th of November 1941. Oberst Mickl, who has a kampfgruppe, but is also in charge of the 155th Schützen Regiment is the same Mickl who would later commander 11th Panzer Division at Kursk in 1943, and later still, the 392nd Croatian Infantry Division.
Do you think the Italian M13/40 tank should be classed as a medium tank or not? Let me know below.
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According to Google, a PhD is usually 70,000 to 100,000 words (or "book-length"). So I've done 3-4.5 PhDs worth of words in this series. However, not many PhDs would have to speak the entire thing, create tons of graphics, animate and editing it into a documentary, so factoring all that in, it's more like 6 to 9 PhDs worth of work.
Edit: and I did it in 4 years, 2 months. A full-time PhD in the UK is only 3 to 4 years. So I've done 6 to 9 PhDs in the same time as 1 PhD!
Edit 2: But then again, I started the research a lot earlier, so it's not right, plus there's breaks. So I guess factoring all that in it's not quite as impressive as my previous edit.
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@Mark - perhaps you don't realize what Schwab (who is a Marxist, calling for world Fascism) is actually saying. Like a typical Marxist, he's lying to your face - saying one thing when he means another. The Nazis called it the "Final Solution", the Marxists call it the "Great Reset". The concept of "stakeholder capitalism" is just Revolutionary Syndicalism (aka Fascism/Marxism) by another name. They want to collectivise the farms and prevent you from eating meat and other things they deem wrong (which, if nothing else, will weaken you and make you sick, and that's assuming the farms output doesn't drop to zero due to the collectivisation, which it probably will, resulting in mass starvation). They are calling for the abolishment of private property, which as Mises explained undeniably in 1922, will bring about the collapse of the economy and civilization https://mises.org/library/socialism-economic-and-sociological-analysis
There are more crossovers than that but the point is that the words he uses are hiding their true meaning. And if you aren't concerned by Fascism, Marxism or Nazism taking over the world, then I would suggest it is you who doesn't understand politics and economics, or you don't value individual freedom and liberty and would rather see the world enslaved to the elites and the corporation (the State).
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Yes, most sources do not even factor-in the civilian population. Many talk about the civilians themselves, but not about their fate, or the numbers. There are many stories (like the baby that was born in Pavlov’s House), yet this is not the centre of attention. This is understandable, but it gives a twisted version of history. The Wehrmacht is “clean” only because most scholars are not willing to talk about the atrocities committed by the German Army. Well, the German Army was absolutely not innocent, as the video shows.
Be sure to check out the 6th Army’s Rations video I created a while back (link in the description) to hear about the fate of the 6th Army and the starvation of the Stalingrad concentration camp (yes).
And, I have to state this before I get accused of being a “commie” again. I am not favouring the Soviet Union. They committed atrocities too. But the simple fact remains that both the National Socialist and Soviet Socialist regimes were terrible for the innocent civilians and peoples caught between them.
Selected Sources (Bibliography)
Beevor, A. “Stalingrad.” Penguin Books, 1999.
Fritz, S. “Ostkrieg: Hitler’s War of Extermination in the East.” University Press of Kentucky. 2011.
Glantz, D. House, J. “Stalingrad.” University Press of Kansas, 2017.
Glantz, D. House, J. “The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 1. To the Gates of Stalingrad. Soviet-German Combat Operations, April-August 1942.” University Press of Kansas, 2009.
Glantz, D. House, J. “The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 2. Armageddon in Stalingrad: September-November 1942.” University Press of Kansas, 2009.
Glantz, D. House, J. “The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 3. Endgame at Stalingrad Book One: November 1942..” University Press of Kansas, 2014.
Glantz, D. House, J. “The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 3. Endgame at Stalingrad Book Two: December 1942-February 1943.” University Press of Kansas, 2014.
Hayward, J. “Stopped at Stalingrad: The Luftwaffe and Hitler’s Defeat in the East 1942-1943.” University Press of Kansas, 1998.
Hellbeck, J. "Stalingrad: The City that Defeated the Third Reich." PublicAffairs, Kindle 2016.
Jones, M. “Stalingrad: How the Red Army Triumphed.” Pen & Sword Military, 2016.
“Germany and the Second World War: Volume VI/II, The Global War.” Militärgeschichtliches Forschungsamt (Research Institute for Military History) Potsdam, Germany. Oxford University Press, 2015.
Full list of my WW2 history books - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
Reichenau / Severity Order - “Secret Field Marshal v.Reichenau Order Concerning
Conduct of Troops in the Eastern Territories.” from - https://web.archive.org/web/20091227042100/http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/genocide/ussr2.htm
Commissar Order - “Directives for the Treatment of Political Commissars (“Commissar Order”) (June 6, 1941).” from http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/pdf/eng/English58.pdf
Thanks for watching!
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I had MAJOR issues over this weekend trying to get this video rendered. I had to re-render the video several times (well over 30 hours of rendering in total) because of a “compiling movie error”. This prevented the software from finishing the render. To cut a long story short, one of the front-line animation png files is corrupt. However, it would take me a week to figure out exactly which particular png file it is and fix the issue. So, in order to get this video out in time, I had to bulk-delete several sections of the front-lines. This is why there are no front lines in numerous parts of the video. I have made them and animated them, but because of this error, I had to then delete them again. To say I’m frustrated with this particular issue is an understatement. But it is what it is.
At 05:49 in the video I said “50th Army Corps couldn’t stop the Soviets…” but it should be Gollnick’s 28th Army Corps. I’ll correct this mistake for the future all-episodes-in-one video.
I used the Finnish National Anthem for the Estonians, because I couldn’t get a free-to-use rendition of the Estonian National Anthem. Technically they are the same tune, but the ending and lyrics are different.
Something to think about - the Soviets are deliberately attacking towards Memel, and hoping to push Army Group North into Courland. Perhaps this is an indication that, instead of aiming to destroy them, their plan was to encircle Army Group North in Courland, neutralize it, and keep it there while they raced off to Berlin? Sounds reasonable to me. What do you think?
Bibliography
Anderson, T. “The History of the Panzerwaffe. Volume 2: 1942-45.” Osprey Publishing, 2017.
Battistelli, P. "Panzer Divisions 1944–45." Ospery Publishing, Kindle.
Byrd, R. "Once I Had a Comrade: Karl Roth and the Combat History of the 36th Panzer Regiment 1939-45." Helion & Company, Kindle 2006.
Buttar, P. "Between Giants: The Battle for the Baltics in World War II." Ospery Publishing, 2013.
Citino, R. “The Wehrmacht's Last Stand: The German Campaigns of 1944-1945.” University of Kansas, 2017.
Dönitz, K. "Memoirs: Ten Years and Twenty Days." Frontline Books, Kindle 2012.
Glantz, D. “Colossus Reborn: The Red Army at War, 1941-1943.” University Press of Kansas, 2005.
Glantz, D. “When Titan’s Clashed.” University Press of Kansas, 2015.
Guderian, H. “Panzer Leader.” Penguin Books, 2000.
Harrison, M. "The Economics of World War II: Six Great Powers in International Comparison." Cambridge University Press, 2000.
Haupt, W. "Army Group North: The Wehrmacht in Russia 1941-1945." Schiffer Publishing Ltd, 1997.
Heiber, H. Glantz, D. “Hitler and his Generals. Military Conferences 1942-1945.” Enigma Books, 2004.
Hillblad, T. "Twilight of the Gods: A Swedish Volunteer in the 11th SS Panzergrenadier Division "Nordland" on the Eastern Front." Stackpole Books, Kindle 2009.
Hitler, A. "Mein Kampf." Jaico Publishing House, 2017.
Hitler, A. "Zweites Buch (Secret Book): Adolf Hitler's Sequel to Mein Kampf." Jaico Publishing House, 2017.
Hoppe, H. “A Theory of Socialism and Capitalism.” Kindle.
Hunt, V. “Blood in the Forest: The End of the Second World War in the Courland Pocket.” Helion & Company Limited, 2017.
Kurowski, F. "Bridgehead Kurland: The Six Epic Battles of Heeresgruppe Kurland." Fedorowicz Publishing, 2002.
Larsson, L. "Hitler's Swedes: A History of the Swedish Volunteers of the Waffen-SS." Helion & Company, Kindle 2015.
Lunde, H. “Hitler’s Wave-Breaker Concept: An Analysis of the German End Game in the Baltic.” Casemate Publishers, 2013.
Mawdsley, E. “Thunder in the East: The Nazi-Soviet War 1941-1945.” Second Edition, Kindle, University of Oxford.
Megargee, G. "Inside Hitler's High Command." University Press of Kansas, 2000.
Michaelis, Rolf. "The 11th SS-Freiwilligen-Panzer-Grenadier-Division "Nordland"." Schiffer Publishing, 2008.
Mitcham, S. “Hitler’s Legions: German Army Order of Battle World War II.” Redwood Burn Limited, 1985.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume One: 1st-290th Infantry Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Two: 291st-999th Infantry Divisions, Named Infantry Divisions, and Special Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Three: Panzer, Panzer Grenadier, and Waffen SS Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Moorhouse, R. "The Devil's Alliance: Hitler's Pact with Stalin, 1939-1941." Random House Group, Ebook (Google Play) 2014.
Muravchik, J. “Heaven on Earth: The Rise and Fall of Socialism.” Encounter Books, Kindle.
Newman, M. “Socialism: A Very Short Introduction.” Kindle.
Newton, S. “Retreat from Leningrad: Army Group North 1944/1945.” Schiffer Military History, 1995.
Niepold, G. “Panzer-Operationen Doppelkopf und Cäsar: Sommer ‘44.” Mittler & Sohn, 1987.
Perrett, B. "Panzerkampfwagen IV Medium Tank 1936-45." Osprey Publishing, 2007.
Raus, E. "Panzer Operations: The Eastern Front Memoir of General Raus, 1941–1945." Kindle.
Rees, L. "The Holocaust: A New History." Penguin Books, 2017.
Snyder, T. "Blood Lands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin." Vintage, 2011.
Számvéber, N. “Illustrated History of the Sturmgeschütz-Abteilung 202.” PeKo Publishing Kft, Kindle 2016.
Tieke, W. "Tragedy of the Faithful: A History of the III. (germanishes) SS-Panzer-Korps." Fedorowicz Publishing Inc, 2001.
Wilbeck, C. "Sledgehammers: Strengths and Flaws of Tiger Tank Battalions in World War II." Aberjona Press, Kindle 2015.
Wilbeck, C. "Swinging the Sledgehammer: The Combat Effectiveness of German Heavy Tank Battalions in World War II." Fort Leavenworth, PDF 2002.
Zeimke, E. “From Stalingrad to Berlin: The Illustrated Edition.” Pen & Sword, Kindle 2014.
Zaloga, S. "T-34/76 Medium Tank 1941-45." Osprey Publishing, 2010.
Zaloga, S. "T-34-85 Medium Tank 1944-94." Osprey Publishing, Kindle 2010.
Finnish and Soviet Treaty 1944 - the “Moscow Armistice” http://heninen.net/sopimus/1944_e.htm
A full list of all my WW2 and related books can be found here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
Thanks for watching! Bye for now!
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The first episode of “Battlestorm The Courland Pocket 1944-45” will be out next Monday (25/02/2019 - at 5pm GMT). I was hoping to get it done this week, but ran out of time, so quickly made this video instead. For several practical reasons, I may do the Courland series bi-weekly rather than weekly, but will decide on that this week and let you know.
I didn’t want to talk about the cannibalism in the video itself because I didn’t know how YouTube will take it. Personally, I don’t think YouTube should restrict any historical content, but that’s just me. Others think they should restrict historical content though. Some people don’t like my videos and want them removed, so I can imagine talking about cannibalism in the video itself would just give those people ammunition to use against me. There’s also a lot of pro-Soviet and pro-Russian people out there who will take offense because I’ve even brought this subject up, as if somehow I’m anti-Russian for stating what happened and discussing historical events. No doubt they will accuse me of being biased again for relying on (shock) sources that I can read, rather than sources that I can’t read - either because they’re in a different language, or because they’ve been censored. Well, tough. If you have evidence that proves no cannibalism happened, please provide it.
I mentioned the fact that Reid’s book talks about it, but Jones’ book covers the cannibalism in detail too, so either would be recommended for further information on this gruesome subject.
Officially, some 2,015 cannibals had been arrested during the siege. Of these, 64% were female, 44% were unemployed and over 90% had just a basic education or were illiterate. Take those statistics any way you want, but I would make an educated guess and say that the reason there were more women cannibals was either because more women survived longer during the siege (many of the men died earlier in the siege or were sent to the front) or because more of the women were on the “dependants” rations, which brought them to starvation-level much quicker. The 90% being illiterate or basic education is probably because the better educated people were employed or part of the state, rather than being unemployed or on “dependants” rations. Really, those “dependants” rations at 125 grams of bread is what did them in.
These were the official statistics though, and since the police and many of the services collapsed during the siege, it’s likely that more cannibals weren’t caught. Or the crimes didn’t get reported. I’m not sure, but it seems that many of the cannibals that were caught were shot.
Sources/Bibliography
Beevor, A. “The Second World War.” Phoenix, Kindle 2012.
Fritz, S. “Ostkrieg: Hitler’s War of Extermination in the East.” University Press of Kentucky. 2011.
Glantz, D. "The Battle for Leningrad 1941-1944." University Press of Kansas, 2002.
Glantz, D. "The Siege of Leningrad 1941-1944: 900 Days of Terror." Brown Partworks Ltd, 2001.
Jones, M. "Leningrad: State of Siege." John Murray Publishers, Kindle 2008.
Overy, R. “Russia’s War.” Penguin Group, 1999.
Reid, A. "Leningrad: Tragedy of a City Under Siege, 1941-44." Bloomsbury Publishing, Kindle 2011.
"U.S. soldiers in Iraq face battle of the bulge | The Seattle Times." 10 Jul. 2007, https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/us-soldiers-in-iraq-face-battle-of-the-bulge/. Accessed 16 Feb. 2019.
"What should my daily intake of calories be? - NHS." https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/food-and-diet/what-should-my-daily-intake-of-calories-be/. Accessed 16 Feb. 2019.
A full list of all my WW2 and related books can be found here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
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TIMESTAMPS!
QUESTION 1 Time 00:33
swe420den + trinimac + Darren Martin - Did America supplies beat the Nazis in Russia, or is that just cold war propaganda? What were the Lend Lease Routes
QUESTION 2 Time 08:56
Kevin Dragos - If oil was the thing that forced Germany to invade the Soviet Union by 1941, why would Germany have to invade if they were getting a steady supply of oil from them?
QUESTION 3 Time 11:47
Jim Land - How much difference would it have made had the Germans been able to cut and hold the Volga for longer?
QUESTION 4 Time 16:18
Elijah Rose - Did the Axis exploit the rich supply of coal in the Donbas?
QUESTION 5 Time 23:28
Wojciech Prokop - Were the Axis aware that the Soviets relocated their industry further into the Soviet heartland? Were any significant efforts made to stop the relocation?
QUESTION 6 Time 26:07
Craig B + Joseph Keenan + Craig Marshall - In your opinion was there a better way the Germans could have effectively used populations they controlled? What about those races/peoples who fought for the Wehrmacht or SS?
QUESTION 7 Time 33:05
Craig Marshall - Could you explain German plans for the Eastern Territories?
QUESTION 8 Time 35:58
Stéphane Adam - At what point did German civilians realized the war was essentially lost?
QUESTION 9 Time 38:31
Jim Land - Why weren’t the Allies and Soviets punished under the war crimes trials after the war, since they committed war crimes too?
QUESTION 10 Time 42:25
Claus Adler - How did the Germans and Italians lose the Battle of Sicily? And why did the offensive at Kursk needed to be halted because of it?
QUESTION 11 Time 45:49
Craig Marshall - What was the general tier of command within Commonwealth troops? Did a colonel in the Raj have equal sway to a colonel from the Home Islands? Did the protectorates willingly give control to the War Ministry or was it implied force?
QUESTION 12 Time 51:54
Craig Marshall + Ratty - What are the future Battlestorm videos? And will you cover battles like Breslau, or wars like the Falklands or Iraq/Afghanistan
QUESTION 13 Time 56:44
Nico - Will you ever talk about the engineering of machinery and weapons used in WWII and Secret Weapons?
QUESTION 14 Time 01:00:16
Daniel Falch + shab249 - What was the difference between Axis and Soviet Infantry Divisions ability to apply firepower at the beginning of the war? And anti-aircraft weapons in units.
QUESTION 15 Time 01:05:01
Patrick Bang - Should Germany have shared their technology more with their allies like Italy? Would this have changed the North African Campaign?
QUESTION 16 Time 01:14:27
Grimbert - Did the Soviets not produce spare parts for the T-34 and just cannibalise for parts for them?
QUESTION 17 Time 01:17:29
Serafim Mihai - Which qualities do you think make a good leader? Who are the people from history that you think embody these qualities?
QUESTION 18 Time 01:23:14
Afflickted - Was Patton known to the Germans?
QUESTION 19 Time 01:27:25
Afflickted - Why did Hitler consistently ignore the advice of his advisors and draft up obnoxiously large tanks that at best were a massive waste of resources and engineering man-hours?
QUESTION 20 Time 01:32:30
Walter Thomas - Can you imagine future historians seeing both WW’s as one conflict?
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Sources (Not sure, but may have missed some out)
Cappellano, F. “Italian Medium Tanks: 1939–45.” New Vangard, Kindle.
Edgerton, D. "Controlling Resources: Coal, Iron ore and Oil in the Second World War." Pdf.
Glantz, D. “Colossus Reborn: The Red Army at War, 1941-1943.” University Press of Kansas, 2005.
Hill, A. "British Lend Lease Aid and the Soviet War Effort, June 1941 June 1942." Article from The Journal of Military History,Vol. 71, No. 3 (Jul., 2007), pp. 773-808.
James, L. "The Rise & Fall of the British Empire." Abacus, 1998.
Kennedy, P. "The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers: Economic Change and Military Conflict from 1500 to 2000." William Collins, Kindle 2017.
Khan, Y. "The Raj at War: A People's History of India's Second World War." Kindle, 2015.
Liedtke, G. “Enduring the Whirlwind: The German Army and the Russo-German War 1941-1943.” Helion & Company LTD, 2016.
Toprani, A. "Oil and Grand Strategy: Great Britain and Germany, 1918-1941." Georgetown University, 2012. Dissertation, Pdf.
Toprani, A. "The First War for Oil: The Caucasus, German Strategy, and the Turning Point of the War on the Eastern Front, 1942." The Journal of Military History 80 (July 2016): 815-854.
For a list of all the books and sources I have, please check out this link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
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Alternatively, you can now send me books using this address: PO Box 795, Southport, PR8 9RE
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I’ll be doing future Q&A videos similar to this, and Patreons who pledge $5 or more on my Patreon will be able to submit questions for these videos https://www.patreon.com/TIKhistory Please consider supporting and make these videos as good as they can be! Even $1 will go a long way!
And obviously, thank you to my current Patreons - you guys make this channel possible! THANK YOU!
I’m also committed to doing a video on the Treaty of Versailles, and also a video where I play guitar. Not sure when these will be, but it will happen at some point. Still working on Operation Crusader - don’t worry, it’s happening!
Next week’s video will be on Pavlov’s House :)
TIMESTAMPS
Q1 by Serafim Mihai
Hi Lewis! What do you think about The Treaty of Versailles in relation with the start of WW2? 00:40
Q2 by Alex Bujnicki
What is your opinion on the widely held belief that one of the main reasons for Germany's defeat was the failure to fully mobilize until 1944? Is this just more playing the blame game by German generals in their memoirs, or is their some merit to this view? 03:37
Q3 by Craig Marshall
What made the Sturmgeschütz the so called "war winning tank" in terms of the individual engagements? 09:40
Q4 by Craig Marshall, Afflickted, and Jen'ari-asha (all related questions)
Are you ever planning covering Imperial Japan? Any plans to cover naval warfare? Do you think you could get around to some of the battles such as Iwojima, Okinawa, and Guadalcanal? You used to upload quite a few videos about Historical Topics that aren't the Second World War - is there anything specific that has caused the shift to go from History in general to the Second World War specifically? 14:48
Q5 by Jen'ari-asha
You've talked a lot about the issues facing the Red Army during 1941 and 1942 - A truly awful organisation of the Army that overburdened commanders, bad morale and discipline, the fact that the Red Army was in the middle of a mobilisation when Germany attacked, the fact that Germany had essentially had a "head start" in growing their army, etc. Do you think that these factors alone explain the huge Soviet losses? One thing I've noticed is that the Soviets seem to, quite consistently, suffer a lot of losses due to disease? However, this is not something that seems to get mentioned in a lot of books. Maybe that helps explain just why the casualties were so enormously different, even during some of the Red Army's greatest triumphs, like Bagration or Uranus? 25:28
Q6 by Jen'ari-asha
3) What is your opinion of Rommel and his historiography? 32:09
Q7 by Jen'ari-asha
Why has Zhukov managed to escape the propaganda of the Cold War and the Nazi Generals intact, when those things have either tainted, or straight up erased, equally adept generals like Vatutin, Konev, Chuikov, Rokossovsky, and Vasilevsky? 42:25
Q8 by Stephen Besley
What books can you recommend about the very early Middle Eastern campaigns in Iraq; Ethiopia up to and including the Keren campaign? 47:48
Q8 by George Holdstock
What is it that has drawn you to history and specifically WW2? What’s your personal story of how you came to this point with your YouTube videos? Have you studied history or is it purely a hobby? 49:31
Q9 by George Holdstock
Market Garden! How did the only major defeat of the allies post D-Day not become surrounded in negativity? 53:14
Q10 by Robert Boutet
Has there ever been any thought about making a movie about Alan Brooke? 57:23
Q11 by Robert Boutet
Why didn’t the Americans help Britain to develop the atomic bomb? Was Churchill an influence on the USA’s reluctance to help Britain? 59:47
SOURCES
I can’t really list the sources for this video, since it was off-the-cuff. But I will list some that I mentioned.
Books
Glantz, D. “Colossus Reborn: The Red Army at War, 1941-1943.” University Press of Kansas, 2005.
Glantz, D. “The Companion to Colossus Reborn.” University Press of Kansas, 2005.
Fritz, S. “Ostkrieg: Hitler’s War of Extermination in the East.” University Press of Kentucky. 2011.
Hayward, J. “Stopped at Stalingrad: The Luftwaffe and Hitler’s Defeat in the East 1942-1943.” University Press of Kansas, 1998.
Shirer, W. “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.” Pan Books, 1964.
Articles
Hayward, J. “Too Little Too Late.” From Journal of Military History 64 (July 2000): 769-94.
Toprani, A. “Oil and Grand Strategy: Great Britain and Germany, 1918-1941.” PhD Dissertation. Georgetown University, 2012.
Toprani, A. “The First War for Oil: The Caucasus, German Strategy, and the Turning Point of the War on the Eastern Front, 1942.” From The Journal of Military History 80 (July 2016): 815-854.
Toprani, A. “Germany’s Answer to Standard Oil: The Continental Oil Company and Nazi Grand Strategy, 1940-1942.” From the Journal of Strategic Studies 37 (December 2014): 949-973.
If I missed any out and you want to know which ones I was referring to, let me know.
LINKS
Patreon again https://www.patreon.com/TIKhistory
Why Germany Lost the War - Oil https://youtu.be/kVo5I0xNRhg
Revisionist Historian https://youtu.be/ruqt8uv__18
BATTLESTORM Rommel’s First Offensive in North Africa https://youtu.be/wMv9YN11xkY
Greatest British Land Victory of the War (Operation Compass 1940) https://youtu.be/b71kdhj27rk
Why I'm Passionate about HISTORY and What Got Me Into it https://youtu.be/KnpCaLH9z7M
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This is why I'm not backing down on this issue. By being a state-controlled racist-socialist entity, events like the Holocaust can absolutely be explained. A racist free-market-capitalist entity actually gives the Holocaust deniers more room to deny the event, because they can say "there's no way they systematically murdered this many Jews". Under the traditional 'let's see National Socialism as a capitalist regime' mentality, you can't explain it because the markets wouldn't create it, and no individual human being could possible murder people like that. So in this scenario, the denier-argument reasoning sparks as true (at least, to those who haven't done research).
But if you turn around and say, actually it does make sense because these guys weren't just racists in a free-market society, but they believed in different collective groups, and that (in this outlook) individual human beings have no meaning (since we're all a collective of groups), so murdering groups is alright. And then you realise that these National Socialists didn't think for themselves because they were part of a collective group. So if they're ordered to kill, they will! Because who are they to question anything? Why would they go against their Aryan group? And if they don't view other human beings as individuals but as ants to be crushed, or just pure numbers, or even barcodes... then it's much easier to see why, in a state controlled collectivist society, why systematic industrial murder is actually possible. At that point, it becomes much harder to deny the events in question.
Now, onto what socialism was by people’s definitions in the comments. The ‘socialism’ they’re championing never actually happened in practice. They talk about ‘real’ socialism, often saying that “well, ‘real’ socialism never happened”. But looking back on history, the theory of socialism as Marx said it was never happened, but numerous attempts to create socialism did occur. To say they’re not socialism is not fair to history.
The Soviet Union wasn’t a ‘socialist revolution’. The Bolshevik Party seized the means of production; the workers didn’t. They didn’t solve class conflict - the Party or the state employees became the new upper classes of society - and there was definitely not equality. They also introduced the New Economic Plan (limited capitalism), but also, even when they attempted to ‘socialize’ the people in the collectivisation of the 1930s (inside the famine that was a direct consequence of the state ‘taxing’ the produce off the peasants in the fields) the state was the controller of the economy and society, not the workers. You also have a slave economy in the Gulag system, which is similar in some ways to the forced labour camps and the concentration camps of National Socialist Germany, which clearly indicates that the equality and liberty that Marx was aiming for wasn’t a reality. So, by the definition used by everyone else ‘in theory’, the Soviet Union wasn’t socialist.
When you consider that Venezuela was socialist - again people say this wasn’t ‘real’ socialism. But it existed. When you consider the socialist policies of the Labour Party in Britain, the Scandinavian countries, Western Europe, Cambodia, China and so on, you can certainly make the case that these weren’t ‘real’ socialist countries or policies. However they existed, and they tried to implement the ‘theory’ of socialism, and they instead created a version of socialism that is very much real in history. You can say these weren’t ‘real’ socialisms, and that’s great for a political debate, but from a historical debate, these were real and they were socialisms - by the historical viewpoint of history. And, since I’m looking at history not theory, I’m interested in defining socialism as what actually happened, not discussing the theory of it.
Hitler’s version of socialism isn’t Marxist Socialism, and I’m not saying it is, but it is (by historical standards) a version of socialism. Hitler’s socialism variant is: directly influenced by what Marx said; he changes this to come to a different conclusion; he implements it in history; it is not capitalism; it shares many of the same traits as the other ‘socialisms’ that existed in history; and it supports the Holocaust and other National Socialist policies that, on the surface, don’t make much sense because they’re being viewed from the ‘they’re capitalist’ viewpoint.
Is the National Socialist Party left-wing or right-wing? That’s up to you to decide. I would suggested they’re a mix between the two sides, and I avoided creating a different political spectrum in the videos for this reason (although I split it up into different categories). Did National Socialism ‘work’? Not really. As the two quotes I quoted from Tooze show, the economy by 1934 was in the gutter, which is another reason war was on the cards because they had to conquer more territory and resources, and enslave a lot of people, in order to make it work.
Now, what does this mean for ‘real’ socialism (Marxist Socialism)? Well, this is absolutely not an attack on socialism. Nothing I have said has been against socialism in general. Just because Hitler was a socialist, doesn’t make all socialism bad. That would be like saying “Hitler was a politician, therefore all politicians are bad”, which is clearly not a logical way of looking at it. And I’m absolutely not implying that socialism doesn’t ‘work’, by bringing up the ‘failed’ socialisms of the 20th Century. Looking to the future, there’s no reason to think that because socialism didn’t work so great in the 20th Century that it couldn’t work in the future.
Yes, some of what I said in the videos was wrong - the liberalism/conservatism bit in the 19th Century in the second video were flipped around (it’s been over a decade since I last studied that stuff and the video was off the cuff). I also mentioned Manstein as being a star general. This is true, but he was actually the exception, and was really the only “von” (aristocrat) that Hitler trusted (until 1944, when he was dismissed). Generals like Model and Zeitzler were favoured over the Prussian officers because these represented the new generation of ‘socialists’ that had worked their way up the ranks. But again, that was in the quick off-the cuff response video. Overall, the points I raised about National Socialism being a version of socialism still stand.
And, to those who say that “I’m not listening” or have gone out of their way to suggest that I shouldn’t cover politics again because I’m “ignorant” (which is a polite word compared to what some have used), you’re not being fair. When covering WW2, battles and the Holocaust etc, it’s impossible to stay out of politics, economics and society, since they’re all linked. Plus, I have studied this stuff, and will continue to do so. I’ve now re-read Das Kapital (after a decade) and it hasn’t changed my view on all this at all.
(Selected) Bibliography
Notice the word “selective”. I studied this in college and university, and therefore don’t have access to all the books I used back then. The books listen below are directly in reference to the above topic, and below them is a link to the list of books I have on WW2 and the surrounding period.
Brown, A. "How 'socialist' was National Socialism?" Kindle, 2015.
Geyer, M. & Fitzpatrick, S. "Beyond Totalitarianism: Stalinism and Nazism Compared." Cambridge University Press, Kindle 2009.
Grand, A. "Italian Fascism: It's Origins and & Development." University of Nebraska Press, 2000.
Evans, R. “In Defence of History.” Granta Books, Kindle.
Hitler, A. "Mein Kampf." Jaico Publishing House, 2017.
Hobsbawm, E. "The Age of Extremes: 1914-1991." Abacus, 1995.
Kershaw, I. “Stalinism and Nazism: Dictatorships in Comparison.” Cambridge University Press, Kindle 2003.
Tooze, A. “Wages of Destruction: The Making & Breaking of The Nazi Economy.” Penguin Books, 2007.
For a complete list of books I own on WW2 and similar, see this link - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
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Of course I remember you Aiden. You're one of the trolls who constantly and rapidly spam hundreds of comments in this comments section, none of which are worth reading, and this is the reason I "threatened" to shut you up (or, in reality, warned you to stop spamming).
Everything you've said is refuted by the information contained within the video that you still haven't watched. This is why you still haven't provided a single relevant argument - everything you've said is either just insults and opinions, or refuted by the video. So to say I haven't addressed anything you've said is wrong because this video does address what you say, and this is why I know you haven't watched the video because otherwise you wouldn't bother to make such arguments.
You waste most of your time insulting my viewers, or trying to turn them against me by insulting me and claiming that my arguments have been refuted (which they haven't). Just like with others (e.g. this other video https://youtu.be/ws3p6uWW19U ) if you or anyone else had come up with an actual argument that wasn't just a bunch of crybaby opinions, or an argument that didn't appear to be refutable to others on the face of it, then I would address it. And if you came up with an argument that refuted mine, then I would happily make a video saying "congratulations" to you for helping me get to the truth about the matter. But you haven't done that.
And the best part is - I've told you this before! But you don't listen, just like you and "mike mcmike" above you won't watch the video, because you're not here to learn, you're here to cry in the comments like the losers you are.
Oh and the only reason I haven't banned you from commenting is because your spammy comments actually help the video. If it wasn't for that fact, or the fact I actually find dumb comments written by unthinkers amusing to read, you would have been silenced long ago.
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I initially lost a few hundred subscribers as a result of my stance on Hitler's Socialism. It's hard to judge because YouTube only lists the cumulative total of subscribes and unsubscribes, not the individual amounts. So I lost 150 or so, but it could have been more like 200. I could also be losing a small amount of subscribers each day as a result of this, but the number of subscriptions outweighs the number of unsubscribes. There's only been a few days in the history of my channel where I've lost subscribers, and most of those have been when YouTube deleted spam accounts. Interestingly, I lost more to YouTube deleting spam accounts than I did for my stance on Hitler's Socialism.
I did lose a lot of Patreons as a result of the first National Socialism is Socialism video in 2018. Many messaged me instantly to tell me how I had "betrayed" them, and how I should be ashamed of myself for spouting "blatant lies". I had only just gone full time, and the hate I received and the loss of this Patreon base made me worry that I was going to have to go back to working in retail. I then got angry, and this is what drove me to quietly do my homework behind the scenes and create the 5 hour Hitler's Socialism video. I wanted to show that I hadn't just come to this view based on lies or propaganda, but on hard evidence and solid interpretation, and that the people who were ignoring me or slandering me were wrong or ideologues themselves. I think I've achieved my aim with that regard.
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Notes and Sources
A reminder: this video series is bi-weekly, but I do publish videos every Monday at 5pm GMT (double check for British Summer Time) so be sure to check back on Mondays!
I decided not to animate the front lines this time due to the issues I faced last time with the render, and the fact that I couldn’t find any good maps on the Memel Offensive, so using front lines for it wouldn’t have been possible anyway. I do like the idea of the front lines, but I think I should only put them in when I’m certain a front line exists and where it actually is, not when the front lines have been shattered and there’s no coherent front (such as in this case).
As a bit of an interesting fact, on the 7th of October, 11th Infantry Division “borrowed” buses from Riga and used them to move through Kuldīga, and then south towards Memel. But when they arrived in the area south of Liepāja, the road was blocked by advancing Soviet troops, so 11th Infantry Division just joined the line there. While some may argue that it was “justified” by the situation in the war, the fact was that this is another example of the German Army (not SS) stealing property from the local inhabitants in the east to further their own gains.
I’m honestly not sure how 7th Panzer Division went from 39th Panzer Corps’ area to getting trapped in Memel. I’m assuming they were pulled out of the line at some point (possibly when 14th Panzer Division arrived) but I’m not sure.
Bibliography
Anderson, T. “The History of the Panzerwaffe. Volume 2: 1942-45.” Osprey Publishing, 2017.
Battistelli, P. "Panzer Divisions 1944–45." Ospery Publishing, Kindle.
Byrd, R. "Once I Had a Comrade: Karl Roth and the Combat History of the 36th Panzer Regiment 1939-45." Helion & Company, Kindle 2006.
Buttar, P. "Between Giants: The Battle for the Baltics in World War II." Ospery Publishing, 2013.
Citino, R. “The Wehrmacht's Last Stand: The German Campaigns of 1944-1945.” University of Kansas, 2017.
Dönitz, K. "Memoirs: Ten Years and Twenty Days." Frontline Books, Kindle 2012.
Glantz, D. “Colossus Reborn: The Red Army at War, 1941-1943.” University Press of Kansas, 2005.
Glantz, D. “When Titan’s Clashed.” University Press of Kansas, 2015.
Guderian, H. “Panzer Leader.” Penguin Books, 2000.
Harrison, M. "The Economics of World War II: Six Great Powers in International Comparison." Cambridge University Press, 2000.
Haupt, W. "Army Group North: The Wehrmacht in Russia 1941-1945." Schiffer Publishing Ltd, 1997.
Heiber, H. Glantz, D. “Hitler and his Generals. Military Conferences 1942-1945.” Enigma Books, 2004.
Hillblad, T. "Twilight of the Gods: A Swedish Volunteer in the 11th SS Panzergrenadier Division "Nordland" on the Eastern Front." Stackpole Books, Kindle 2009.
Hitler, A. "Mein Kampf." Jaico Publishing House, 2017.
Hitler, A. "Zweites Buch (Secret Book): Adolf Hitler's Sequel to Mein Kampf." Jaico Publishing House, 2017.
Hoppe, H. “A Theory of Socialism and Capitalism.” Kindle.
Hunt, V. “Blood in the Forest: The End of the Second World War in the Courland Pocket.” Helion & Company Limited, 2017.
Kurowski, F. "Bridgehead Kurland: The Six Epic Battles of Heeresgruppe Kurland." Fedorowicz Publishing, 2002.
Larsson, L. "Hitler's Swedes: A History of the Swedish Volunteers of the Waffen-SS." Helion & Company, Kindle 2015.
Lunde, H. “Hitler’s Wave-Breaker Concept: An Analysis of the German End Game in the Baltic.” Casemate Publishers, 2013.
Mawdsley, E. “Thunder in the East: The Nazi-Soviet War 1941-1945.” Second Edition, Kindle, University of Oxford.
Megargee, G. "Inside Hitler's High Command." University Press of Kansas, 2000.
Michaelis, Rolf. "The 11th SS-Freiwilligen-Panzer-Grenadier-Division "Nordland"." Schiffer Publishing, 2008.
Mitcham, S. “Hitler’s Legions: German Army Order of Battle World War II.” Redwood Burn Limited, 1985.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume One: 1st-290th Infantry Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Two: 291st-999th Infantry Divisions, Named Infantry Divisions, and Special Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Three: Panzer, Panzer Grenadier, and Waffen SS Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Moorhouse, R. "The Devil's Alliance: Hitler's Pact with Stalin, 1939-1941." Random House Group, Ebook (Google Play) 2014.
Muravchik, J. “Heaven on Earth: The Rise and Fall of Socialism.” Encounter Books, Kindle.
Newman, M. “Socialism: A Very Short Introduction.” Kindle.
Newton, S. “Retreat from Leningrad: Army Group North 1944/1945.” Schiffer Military History, 1995.
Niepold, G. “Panzer-Operationen Doppelkopf und Cäsar: Sommer ‘44.” Mittler & Sohn, 1987.
Perrett, B. "Panzerkampfwagen IV Medium Tank 1936-45." Osprey Publishing, 2007.
Raus, E. "Panzer Operations: The Eastern Front Memoir of General Raus, 1941–1945." Kindle.
Rees, L. "The Holocaust: A New History." Penguin Books, 2017.
Snyder, T. "Blood Lands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin." Vintage, 2011.
Számvéber, N. “Illustrated History of the Sturmgeschütz-Abteilung 202.” PeKo Publishing Kft, Kindle 2016.
Tieke, W. "Tragedy of the Faithful: A History of the III. (germanishes) SS-Panzer-Korps." Fedorowicz Publishing Inc, 2001.
Wilbeck, C. "Sledgehammers: Strengths and Flaws of Tiger Tank Battalions in World War II." Aberjona Press, Kindle 2015.
Wilbeck, C. "Swinging the Sledgehammer: The Combat Effectiveness of German Heavy Tank Battalions in World War II." Fort Leavenworth, PDF 2002.
Zeimke, E. “From Stalingrad to Berlin: The Illustrated Edition.” Pen & Sword, Kindle 2014.
Zaloga, S. "T-34/76 Medium Tank 1941-45." Osprey Publishing, 2010.
Zaloga, S. "T-34-85 Medium Tank 1944-94." Osprey Publishing, Kindle 2010.
Finnish and Soviet Treaty 1944 - the “Moscow Armistice” http://heninen.net/sopimus/1944_e.htm
A full list of all my WW2 and related books can be found here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
Thanks for watching! Bye for now!
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Hey all! Time stamps
00:00 Intro
01:07 Browning's Life
12:44 Frustration
17:57 Market Garden
28:52 Criticisms of Browning
29:28 Criticism 1
31:06 Criticism 2
32:30 Criticism 3
33:33 Criticism 4
35:36 Criticism 5
38:24 Browning's Defence is Flawed
43:45 Decision
Bibliography (Sources)
Brereton, L. The Brereton Diaries: The War in the Air in the Pacific, Middle East and Europe, 3 October 1941-8 May 1945. Kindle, 2014.
John Frost, A Drop Too Many. 2009.
Max Hastings, Armageddon. London, 2004.
Robert J. Kershaw, It Never Snows in September. Surry, 2007.
Mead, R. General Boy: The Life of Lieutenant General Sir Frederick Browning. Kindle, 2010.
Martin Middlebrook, Arnhem 1944: The Airborne Battle, 17-29 September. 2009.
Robert Neillands, The Battle for the Rhine 1944. UK, 2014.
Poulussen, R.G. Lost at Nijmegen. 2011.
Cornelius Ryan, A Bridge Too Far. USA, 1974
Major General R E Urquhart, Arnhem. 1958.
Major General S Sosabowski, Freely I Served. Great Britain, 1982.
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I don't mind people disagreeing with interpretations, and I encourage that, so long as everyone is civil and trying to get to the truth. Fine, I get things wrong from time to time (like yesterday's video which wasn't great) but my intention is always to get to the truth, and you can't do that any other way than by having an open and honest discussion.
However, when it comes to throwing out the facts and evidence just because it hurts feelings, and then insults start flying around, that's where I draw the line. And unfortunately, there's so many people in my comments sections who are screaming at me and firing off a million accusations, saying I never respond to them, or am "insane" and so on... it's just depressing.
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Incorrect. As I said in the video more than half of the Red Army was in the Far East or was positioned internally, at least up until mid-November 1942. And while most of its army was in the east, the Germans did have sizable numbers in the west. Also, Germany wasn't operating alone. It had many allies itself - e.g. Finland, Romania, Hungary, Croatia... even one division from Spain. It was one alliance vs another, and the Soviets did defeat that alliance, almost by itself (yes, with a crucial contribution from the other powers, but it paid out the most in blood).
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Links to other people’s videos that are interesting:
The Irish Marxist Leninist’s “The Nazis Were NOT Socialist - Response to TIK” video. https://youtu.be/vaA_hix9E9k this was good, but fails to understand that the National Socialists weren’t capitalist, and doesn’t grasp that this isn’t Marxist Socialism.
Blitz of the Reich’s “Nazism is not Capitalist nor is it Socialist... it's something else (TIK Video Response)” https://youtu.be/go9lP1vZL8I this was very good. I don’t necessarily agree that it wasn’t socialism, but he makes a very good argument for it being neither capitalism or socialism. Highly recommend his channel.
Hitler and Economics | Thomas E. Woods, Jr. https://youtu.be/17DkMDvKqw0 This is a “conservative” institution talking about the National Socialist economy. Yes, it’s biased (just like all sources), but it makes it clear that this wasn’t capitalism.
There were other response videos too, but these pretty much covered all the points.
Links to interesting articles that claim that National Socialism was not Socialism (which I linked in the original pinned comment, but nobody seemed to see that and thought I wasn’t taking in what other people were saying) -
“Hitler was not a socialist, even if he did stash champagne” https://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/11655230/Hitler-was-not-a-socialist-even-if-he-did-stash-champagne.html A good example as to why you shouldn’t trust the traditional media for your information.
“An entirely Americentric argument, spurred on by certain batty ideologues and infamous websites, claims that Adolf Hitler was not the far-right, anti-communist nationalist that everyone else remembers him to be, but rather an egalitarian socialist.” https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Hitler_and_socialism [This page was last modified on 8 August 2018] Hitler was anti-communist, so not sure where the author of this page got that idea from. But being anti-communist does not make him an anti-socialist.
“Man says Nazis were socialist, gets schooled by history writer” https://www.indy100.com/article/nazi-socialist-right-wing-white-supremacists-history-twitter-mikestuchbery-7900001 Yes, except the history writer in this case thinks fascism and national socialism are the same thing. They are not.
Thanks for watching and reading!
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Ok, just to clarify, I'm not trying to say that the German soldiers were bad at fighting. But I am saying that they weren't miles ahead of the Soviets, as some people suggest. Instead, I'm saying that both sides fought hard - roughly equally on an individual level - but that the Germans held a lot of the tactical, operational, and strategic cards in 1941, which explains why they did so well. It wasn't because the Germans were "superior" to anything the Soviets had, but that they held the initiative, had the element of surprise, concentrated their forces and so on...
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Yes, and the reason why is because they didn't want to be in school in the first place, they think it's incredibly boring, and have no reason or incentive to learn the stuff. If the kid doesn't want to be there, it doesn't matter how great the teacher is, that kid is not learning anything.
This is why I said it's a babysitting operation. This is also why I said self-education is more valuable than official education. If you're curious or have an interest in a particular subject, that's when you'll go out to read or study the topic, and ultimately learn it. Education starts with curiosity, and ends in incentives. If you got paid to learn to do something, you'd definitely be more motivated to learn it.
The irony is that school kids would probably learn to write properly if they played computer games, because they'd be on the internet and reading articles or forum posts on how to play, and would naturally pick up how to string a sentence together. Same with paragraphs or anything else. I personally didn't learn to read, write or do math in school, and I didn't even take history in school because I thought class was boring (even though I loved watching documentaries and playing historical computer games).
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Notes and Sources
I couldn’t give the page number for Dönitz’s memoirs because I’m using the Kindle version which doesn’t use page numbers for some stupid reason. But I’m really interested to hear what you think about Dönitz’s contradictory claims. Is he directly to blame for this? Are Haupt and Kurowski manipulating the evidence somehow? Is Dönitz guilty or innocent? Let me know.
The 4th and 5th Battles of Courland aren’t talked about in much detail in the sources - probably because the German lines held pretty firm. The argument that they were launched just to burn through German supplies has some merit, and I currently subscribe to that view, since most of the ‘good’ Soviet formations were transferred from the two Baltic Fronts to the west. What remained weren’t the ‘best’ that the Soviets had to offer, and it does make sense that they were actually trying to use up German supplies and keep the Germans tied down in Courland. But the opposite could be argued - that they were trying to destroy Army Group North/Courland, but were rubbish. Your thoughts?
Not a lot more to say on this one. Just a reminder, next week’s video will be the follow up to the Why Hitler HAD to go to War video. I expect a backlash on it (as I had on the original video). So I won’t be doing a Q&A that week because I don’t want the backlash to spill onto a Q&A video.
Bibliography
Anderson, T. “The History of the Panzerwaffe. Volume 2: 1942-45.” Osprey Publishing, 2017.
Battistelli, P. "Panzer Divisions 1944–45." Ospery Publishing, Kindle.
Byrd, R. "Once I Had a Comrade: Karl Roth and the Combat History of the 36th Panzer Regiment 1939-45." Helion & Company, Kindle 2006.
Buttar, P. "Between Giants: The Battle for the Baltics in World War II." Ospery Publishing, 2013.
Citino, R. “The Wehrmacht's Last Stand: The German Campaigns of 1944-1945.” University of Kansas, 2017.
Dönitz, K. "Memoirs: Ten Years and Twenty Days." Frontline Books, Kindle 2012.
Glantz, D. “Colossus Reborn: The Red Army at War, 1941-1943.” University Press of Kansas, 2005.
Glantz, D. “When Titan’s Clashed.” University Press of Kansas, 2015.
Guderian, H. “Panzer Leader.” Penguin Books, 2000.
Harrison, M. "The Economics of World War II: Six Great Powers in International Comparison." Cambridge University Press, 2000.
Haupt, W. "Army Group North: The Wehrmacht in Russia 1941-1945." Schiffer Publishing Ltd, 1997.
Heiber, H. Glantz, D. “Hitler and his Generals. Military Conferences 1942-1945.” Enigma Books, 2004.
Hillblad, T. "Twilight of the Gods: A Swedish Volunteer in the 11th SS Panzergrenadier Division "Nordland" on the Eastern Front." Stackpole Books, Kindle 2009.
Hitler, A. "Mein Kampf." Jaico Publishing House, 2017.
Hitler, A. "Zweites Buch (Secret Book): Adolf Hitler's Sequel to Mein Kampf." Jaico Publishing House, 2017.
Hoppe, H. “A Theory of Socialism and Capitalism.” Kindle.
Hunt, V. “Blood in the Forest: The End of the Second World War in the Courland Pocket.” Helion & Company Limited, 2017.
Kurowski, F. "Bridgehead Kurland: The Six Epic Battles of Heeresgruppe Kurland." Fedorowicz Publishing, 2002.
Larsson, L. "Hitler's Swedes: A History of the Swedish Volunteers of the Waffen-SS." Helion & Company, Kindle 2015.
Lunde, H. “Hitler’s Wave-Breaker Concept: An Analysis of the German End Game in the Baltic.” Casemate Publishers, 2013.
Mawdsley, E. “Thunder in the East: The Nazi-Soviet War 1941-1945.” Second Edition, Kindle, University of Oxford.
Megargee, G. "Inside Hitler's High Command." University Press of Kansas, 2000.
Michaelis, Rolf. "The 11th SS-Freiwilligen-Panzer-Grenadier-Division "Nordland"." Schiffer Publishing, 2008.
Mitcham, S. “Hitler’s Legions: German Army Order of Battle World War II.” Redwood Burn Limited, 1985.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume One: 1st-290th Infantry Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Two: 291st-999th Infantry Divisions, Named Infantry Divisions, and Special Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Three: Panzer, Panzer Grenadier, and Waffen SS Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Moorhouse, R. "The Devil's Alliance: Hitler's Pact with Stalin, 1939-1941." Random House Group, Ebook (Google Play) 2014.
Muravchik, J. “Heaven on Earth: The Rise and Fall of Socialism.” Encounter Books, Kindle.
Newman, M. “Socialism: A Very Short Introduction.” Kindle.
Newton, S. “Retreat from Leningrad: Army Group North 1944/1945.” Schiffer Military History, 1995.
Niepold, G. “Panzer-Operationen Doppelkopf und Cäsar: Sommer ‘44.” Mittler & Sohn, 1987.
Paterson, L. "Steel and Ice: The U-Boat Battle in the Arctic and Black Sea 1941-45." The History Press, Kindle 2016.
Perrett, B. "Panzerkampfwagen IV Medium Tank 1936-45." Osprey Publishing, 2007.
Raus, E. "Panzer Operations: The Eastern Front Memoir of General Raus, 1941–1945." Kindle.
Rees, L. "The Holocaust: A New History." Penguin Books, 2017.
Snyder, T. "Blood Lands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin." Vintage, 2011.
Számvéber, N. “Illustrated History of the Sturmgeschütz-Abteilung 202.” PeKo Publishing Kft, Kindle 2016.
Tieke, W. "Tragedy of the Faithful: A History of the III. (germanishes) SS-Panzer-Korps." Fedorowicz Publishing Inc, 2001.
Wilbeck, C. "Sledgehammers: Strengths and Flaws of Tiger Tank Battalions in World War II." Aberjona Press, Kindle 2015.
Wilbeck, C. "Swinging the Sledgehammer: The Combat Effectiveness of German Heavy Tank Battalions in World War II." Fort Leavenworth, PDF 2002.
Zeimke, E. “From Stalingrad to Berlin: The Illustrated Edition.” Pen & Sword, Kindle 2014.
Zaloga, S. "T-34/76 Medium Tank 1941-45." Osprey Publishing, 2010.
Zaloga, S. "T-34-85 Medium Tank 1944-94." Osprey Publishing, Kindle 2010.
Finnish and Soviet Treaty 1944 - the “Moscow Armistice” http://heninen.net/sopimus/1944_e.htm
Inflation in Germany
https://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Inflation_in_Nazi_Germany
I’ve also used some maps and information from http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/
A full list of all my WW2 and related books can be found here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
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Hi all, here’s the timestamps for the video, and the bibliography as well as some notes to video below them. Also I would recommend turning on subtitles for this video (and any Battlestorm videos).
Timestamps
Video Intro 00:00:00
Act 1 - Pre-Battle
Chapter 1 - Introduction 00:00:46
Chapter 2 - Context
Section 1 - Finding the Würzburg 00:05:10
Section 2 - Intelligence Gathering 00:07:51
Chapter 3 - Preparation
Section 1 - German Forces
Part 1 - Order of Battle 00:11:44
Part 2 - Positions 00:14:37
Section 2 - British Forces
Part 1 - Pre-Raid 00:18:22
Part 2 - Order of Battle 00:21:28
Part 3 - Equipment 00:26:06
Part 4 - The Plan 00:29:37
Act 2 - The Bruneval Raid
Chapter 4 - The Flight 00:33:37
Chapter 5 - The Drop 00:40:24
Chapter 6 - The Attack Begins 00:45:21
Chapter 7 - Stealing the Würzburg 00:49:02
Chapter 8 - Decision Time 00:53:00
Chapter 9 - Fire Fight 01:00:41
Chapter 10 - Stalemate 01:04:26
Chapter 11 - Turning Point 01:08:12
Chapter 12 - The Ruddy Navy 01:16:03
Chapter 13 - Aftermath 01:23:31
Chapter 14 - Science! 01:28:27
Chapter 15 - Epilogue 01:34:07
Notes to the video
04:09 It wasn't the 22nd of June 1941, it was the 22nd of February 1941. Only noticed my mistake as I was creating the subtitles for the video.
09:29 Ford says it was the "ocean" which is why I said it (because it's stupid if it is), but other sources say the agents did in fact refer to it as the sea. Either way, the sentry was an idiot.
14:40 This section talks about the map and the area around Bruneval. This took me ages to figure out. A big thank you goes to Jeff Baker for helping me figure this out. On Google Maps Le Presbytère is a small village, but in 1942 it was where Theuville is now. La Poterie seems to be displayed as La Mairie for whatever reason.
01:32:16 This system was called "Window" by the British, and was also known as "Chaff" by the US, and Düppel by the Germans.
Sources/Bibliography
Downing, T. Night Raid: The True Story of the First Victorious British Para Raid of WWII. Kindle, 2013.
Ford, K. The Bruneval Raid: Operation Biting 1942. Kindle, 1st Ed, 2012.
Frost, J. A Drop Too Many. Kindle, 2009.
Mitcham, S. Hitler’s Legions: German Army Order of Battle World War II. London, 1985.
Oldfield, P. Bruneval. Pen & Sword, Kindle, 2013
Other Videos
My video on the Assault of Fort Eben Emael by German Fallschirmjäger paratroopers - the fall of strongest fortress in the world https://youtu.be/IFP4-dwTMQ0
Forgotten Weapons video on the Sten gun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-PmLxkOmaM
My documentary on the REAL Operation Market Garden https://youtu.be/vTUC79o4Kmc
Who John Frost blames for the failure of Operation Market Garden https://youtu.be/7C_HoMVhKAI
The History of the Long Range Desert Group https://youtu.be/8u2yq5tRN9U
Final Message
Thank you for all your support, and your patience recently. These videos take a long time to make, and until I diverted attention to Bruneval I’ve really been concentrating on the Stalingrad Documentary behind the scenes. Even though I don’t upload many videos, it’s rare that a day goes by where I’m not working on Battlestorm videos. Back to Stalingrad!
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The second point. In the video I said I was burning out again. This isn’t burnout because I’ve worked long hours though (although I have). But is different. Let me explain.
If I was presenting a video to non-ideological people, I would just say “Lenin destroyed the Russian economy”, and probably wouldn’t even have to back it up, or if I did, I’d just give one source for it and move on, because everybody knows that Lenin destroyed the Russian economy. But because the Leftists refuse to accept this due to ideological reasons, I then get challenged on it. I have to defend myself by providing a source or two, but that’s not good enough for the Left, and gets dismissed somehow. So in the next video I then back up my statements with even more evidence, usually from multiple authors, only for that to get dismissed as well. So I do it again with even more evidence, and the same happens again.
What’s happening is that I’m constantly going to greater and greater lengths to explain every detail and back up every single point in my videos with multiple sources (regardless of how insignificant the point might be), which is causing me to work needlessly long hours, and then burn out. And what for? It’s all going to be dismissed anyway, and then I’m called “crazy” and “insane” to top it off.
To give a concrete example, I originally planned to just cover the 1918 Revolution and Spartacist Uprising in the first third of the second video in the Weimar Hyperinflation series. But when I came to do it, I realized that I couldn’t just state that it was a Socialist revolution and that Weimar was a Socialist Democracy, because I’d get ridiculed for just stating it (backed by several sources). I realized that I would have to take up the whole of the second video, going into great detail, providing more sources, including reading extra sources that I knew were a load of rubbish (like the Marxist historian - Sewell’s - book), just to show that this was the case and that I knew what I’m talking about. It’s slowing me down, it’s needless extra work, and it’s frustrating because the response I get from the Left was: “Tik should stick to history and keep his bizarre anti socialism theories to himself.” (This was a genuine response.)
Obviously, this is incredibly disheartening, and that’s why I’m burning out. It’s impossible to defend history or the truth from such nonsense.
And I understand why people are reacting this way, but as I explained in the video, there’s no way to get the Left to realise that they have been deceived by a faulty world-view (Weltanschauung). They’re not stupid, they’ve just been tricked. Even the smartest people can be deceived, and that’s what’s happened here. It happened to me too, but I was lucky enough to accidentally “Red-Pill” myself.
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Notes PC is working again now though! Sorry for a day late upload. Timestamps will be in the description shortly!
Regarding the “3 battalions” of 8th Bersaglieri Regiment at Bir el Gubi, it seems there’s a contradiction in the source material. I have two sources saying that there wasn’t a “7th Battalion” of this (in their view) two-battalion regiment. However, the book “Iron Hulls, Iron Hearts” states clearly that there were three battalions in this regiment at Bir el Gubi, and mentions the 7th Battalion specifically during this action, even though it doesn’t list a 7th Battalion in its (poor) Order of Battle at the end of the book. There could be a couple of explanations for this - 1. that there really was a 7th Battalion. 2. that the Young Fascists Battalion (not listed in the OOBs, but was there too) was designated the “7th Battalion”. 3. It was 7th Armoured Battalion from 132nd Armoured Regiment (unlikely since this was in the north). 4. It didn’t exist, Iron Hulls was wrong. 5. Since it was overrun in this action, it could have been disbanded, which might be why nobody bothered to list it in their Order of Battles. Either way, since Iron Hulls is the only book that describes the Italian actions at Bir el Gubi in any detail, I’ve gone with its version of events.
Also, I’m not sure if the 5th and 12th Battalions were in positions as shown. They could have been swapped around. Also, Pasquali’s 4th Artillery Group was from the Corps, and it had just one battalion in support, not the whole regiment, but I wanted to make it clear in the video which unit it was part of.
It has come to my attention (I found this out myself a few days ago) that Franz Kurowski is a far-right-wing “revisionist historian” (a Distorian, to use my own term https://youtu.be/ruqt8uv__18 ) who has been very liberal with the facts written in his accounts on other subjects (e.g. Dresden). Luckily, I’ve only actually used his “Das Afrika Korps” book sparingly, mainly to confirm the positions of units or other cosmetic information, such as the quote about the Germans noting British radio silence, as shown in the video. Notably, he was also the only author talking about “Kampfgruppe Wechmar”, with other accounts just referring to it as the 3rd Reconnaissance Battalion etc, so I’m hopeful that any ‘damage’ done is not substantial. My current system of reference makes it quite easy to go back and see where I’ve used his book, so I’m going to double check any part of the script where I’ve used him to ensure that his ‘facts’ aren’t counter to any of the other books (yay, extra unexpected work). So far though, everything seems alright.
If you enjoyed the video and want to help me make more, please consider supporting me on Patreon. It is my Patreons who make these videos possible! https://www.patreon.com/TIKhistory Again, thank you to my Patreons! YOU ARE AWESOME!
SELECTED SOURCES/BIBLIOGRAPHY
Barnett, C. “The Desert Generals.” Kindle, 2nd Edition.
Becket, I. “Rommel: A Reappraisal.” Pen & Sword Ltd, Kindle, 2013.
Bierman, J. & Smith, C. “Alamein: War Without Hate.” Penguin Books, 2003.
Butler, D. “Field Marshal: The Life and Death of Erwin Rommel.” Casemate Publishers, 2015.
Cappellano, F. “Italian Medium Tanks: 1939–45.” New Vanguard, Kindle.
Ford, K. “Operation Crusader 1941: Rommel in Retreat.” Osprey Publishing, 2010.
Harrison, M. "The Economics of World War II: Six Great Powers in International Comparison." Cambridge University Press, Kindle 2005.
Kitchen, M. “Rommel’s Desert War: Waging World War II in North Africa, 1941-1943.” Cambridge University Press, 2009.
Kurowski, F. “Das Afrika Korps: Erwin Rommel and the Germans in Africa, 1941-43.” Stackpole Books, 2010.
Macintyre, B. "SAS: Rogue Heroes." Penguin Random House, Kindle 2016.
Mellenthin, F. "Panzer Battles." Spellmount, 2013.
Mitcham, S. Hitler’s Legions: German Army Order of Battle, World War II. Leo Cooper, 1985.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume One: 1st-290th Infantry Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Two: 291st-999th Infantry Divisions, Named Infantry Divisions, and Special Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Three: Panzer, Panzer Grenadier, and Waffen SS Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “Rommel’s Desert War: The Life and Death of the Afrika Korps.” Stackpole Books, Kindle, 2007.
Mortimer, G. "Kill Rommel! Operation Flipper 1941." Osprey Publishing, Kindle 2014.
Nafziger, G. The Afrika Korps: An Organizational History 1941-1943. 1997.
Nash, N. “Strafer Desert General: The Life and Killing of Lieutenant General WHE Gott.” Pen and Sword Books Ltd, Kindle Edition, 2013.
Pitt, B. “The Crucible of War: Auchinleck’s Command.” The Definitive History of the Desert War. Cassell & Co, 2001.
Playfair, I. The Mediterranean and Middle East, Volume II, The Germans come to the Help of their Ally [1941]. The Naval & Military Press LTD, 1956.
Playfair, I. The Mediterranean and Middle East, Volume III, British Fortunes reach their Lowest Ebb [September 1941 to September 1942]. The Naval & Military Press LTD 1960. Ed. 2004.
Rees, L. “The Holocaust: A New History.” Penguin Books, 2017. (yes)
Smart, N. “Biographical Dictionary of British Generals of the Second World War.” Kindle.
Zapotoczny, W. "The Italian Army In North Africa: A Poor Fighting Force or Doomed by Circumstance." Fonthill Media Limited, 2018.
Jim, H. “Axis Forces in Libya (September, 1941).” FEBRUARY 17, 2010. http://www.comandosupremo.com/Libya1941.html
Moore, G. “Operation Crusader” (Order of Battle) http://gregpanzerblitz.com/Crusader.htm
German generals in Operation Crusader https://rommelsriposte.com/2009/02/03/i-have-a-son-in-russia/
300th Oasis Battalion https://rommelsriposte.com/2010/07/28/oasen-bataillon-z-b-v-300/
British and German Armour Piercing Rounds Penetration Statistics https://www.wwiivehicles.com/
Full list of all my WW2 and related books can be found here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
Thanks for watching!
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No timestamps because there’s only one question this time, so the video requires a full-watch to understand. Please consider supporting me on Patreon and help make more videos like this possible! All questions are from Patreons donating $5 or more on my Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/TIKhistory Also, thank you again to my Patreons - you’re making these videos (and the upcoming Battlestorm ones) happen!
An interesting quote to spark debate -
“Clark and Lucas therefore were clearly concerned first to establish and consolidate a beachhead, and then to leave offensive operations from it to an undefined second phase.” - Molony, British Official History, P646
Was that really what they were doing? Is the British official history right?? Let me know your opinions.
Bit of an update regarding Battlestorm Courland 1944 - still not going to put a hard date on it, but it will be coming in February (2019) regardless. All that’s left to do is the script and the map. So, if push comes to shove, I’ll get the map done first, then release it bi-weekly so that I can finish the script in the in-between weeks. But we’ll see.
Selected Bibliography / Sources
Blackwell, I. "Anzio: Italy 1944 (Battleground Europe)." Pen & Sword Books, Kindle 2006.
Churchill, W. "Memoirs of the Second World War." Mariner Books, 1987.
Citino, R. “The Wehrmacht's Last Stand: The German Campaigns of 1944-1945.” University of Kansas, 2017.
Clark, L. “Anzio: The Friction of War.” Headline Publishing, Kindle 2013.
Molony, C. "The Mediterranean and Middle East, Volume V, The Campaign in Sicily 1943 and The Campaign in Italy 3rd September 1943 to 31st March 1944." The Naval & Military Press LTD 2004, first published in 1973.
Full list of all my WW2 and related books can be found here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
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@adamjaquay4279 Yes, tank losses are spot on, which is good. But if you look at Glantz on page 177, he says the losses were 88,000 for the 2nd Kotluban Offensive (18th to 19th). This was my mistake, because I said they were for the 18th only, but it was for two days... However, Glantz has made a mistake here because he then points to the table on page 178, which you rightly says is for the 1st to 20th of September. This chart therefore includes the 1st AND 2nd Kotluban Offensives. Glantz says this 88,000 is for the 18th and 19th though!
BUT his source for this chart is Isaev's book (which is quoting from the Russian archives), however Isaev is writing about the 2nd Kotluban Offensive, implies in his wording that this chart was for the 2nd Kotluban Offensive, but the chart does say the 1st to 20th. So Glantz didn't notice this (his mistake). But I'm not sure if Isaev is right here because of the way he's worded things? It's understandable why Glantz made this mistake. And if this chart is correct, then this leads to other problems... In fact, it renders the figures for the 1st Kotluban Offensive wrong too.
So yes, this is a bit of a mess.
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Selected Bibliography/Sources
Brereton, L. “The Brereton Diaries: The War in the Air in the Pacific, Middle East and Europe, 3 October 1941-8 May 1945.” Kindle, 2014.
Frost, J. “A Drop Too Many.” Kindle, 2009.
Hastings, M. “Armageddon.” Pan Books, 2004.
Robert J. “Kershaw, It Never Snows in September.” Ian Allan Publishing, 2007.
Mead, R. “General Boy: The Life of Lieutenant General Sir Frederick Browning.” Kindle, 2010.
Middlebrook, M. “Arnhem 1944: The Airborne Battle, 17-29 September.” 2009.
Neillands, R. “The Battle for the Rhine 1944.” Kindle, 2014.
Poulussen, R.G. “Lost at Nijmegen.” Kindle, 2011.
Ryan, C. “A Bridge Too Far.” Kindle, 1974
Urquhart, R. “Arnhem.” Kindle, 1958.
Sosabowski, S. “Freely I Served.” Kindle, 1982.
Links
My “REAL Operation Market Garden” documentary https://youtu.be/vTUC79o4Kmc
“The BAD BOY of Operation Market Garden” A video on General 'Boy' Browning https://youtu.be/Dvv8GQIRYVU
The “Who to Blame? John Frost on Operation Market Garden's Failure” video https://youtu.be/7C_HoMVhKAI
My discussion of Market Garden’s True Purpose using Monty vs Eisenhower’s Memoirs https://youtu.be/f79KgQVL3MM
A video on Kampfgruppen where I talk about some of the Market Garden Kampfgruppen https://youtu.be/zKWczZkQ130
My Book review of “It Never Snows in September” https://youtu.be/-RRdWCyHpG8
My “A Bridge Too Far Book Review” video https://youtu.be/D6vDlbsOkQE
Add me on Twitter @TIKhistory
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Wow, thank you! Honestly though, I'm standing on the shoulders of giants. Yes, I've put it all together, but without giants like Beevor, Craig, Glantz, Jason D Mark, Anton Joly, Egor Kobiakov etc this series wouldn't be possible. So I hope, in addition to watching my videos, you pick up their books too, which it sounds like you have done with regards to Beevor and Craig :)
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Timestamps are in the video description! They’re not really necessary for this video (since it’s short) but I think it’s worth including them simply for convenience, and so you can easily find the relevant bits.
The current plan is to release a Crusader video every Monday from now on until it is finished. The script (+75k words) is done but none of the editing is done, so this is going to be a tall order to get them finished weekly to say the least. Therefore, I’m going to be realistic and say that I’ll probably end up throwing in an emergency video or so into the mix (Patreon Q&As and possibly even a gaming video if I get stuck). So I think it’s best to warn you now, and ask you not to be upset if/when this happens. I’m only human! Also, I still plan to upload the full series in one 7-8 hour video at the end (after fixing any mistakes I make).
Once Crusader is all finished, we’ll be going back to the Eastern Front for both Courland and Stalingrad. After they’re done, we’ll probably return to the North African Campaign to see Rommel’s second offensive, then Gazala and so on. Eventually progressing to Torch, Tunisia, Sicily, Italy and then D-Day.
Next week’s video is going to be about the British preparations prior to Crusader (but not the plan - that’ll be the week after). This includes a brief look at the commanders, the British units and doctrine, and British tanks and equipment. I’ve covered some of this before in previous videos, but there will be corrections (like the fact the British used battalions but called them “regiments” because… yes).
SELECTED SOURCES/BIBLIOGRAPHY
Barnett, C. “The Desert Generals.” Kindle, 2nd Edition.
Becket, I. “Rommel: A Reappraisal.” Pen & Sword Ltd, Kindle, 2013.
Bierman, J. & Smith, C. “Alamein: War Without Hate.” Penguin Books, 2003.
Butler, D. “Field Marshal: The Life and Death of Erwin Rommel.” Casemate Publishers, 2015.
Cappellano, F. “Italian Medium Tanks: 1939–45.” New Vanguard, Kindle.
Ford, K. “Operation Crusader 1941: Rommel in Retreat.” Osprey Publishing, 2010.
Harrison, M. "The Economics of World War II: Six Great Powers in International Comparison." Cambridge University Press, Kindle 2005.
Kitchen, M. “Rommel’s Desert War: Waging World War II in North Africa, 1941-1943.” Cambridge University Press, 2009.
Kurowski, F. “Das Afrika Korps: Erwin Rommel and the Germans in Africa, 1941-43.” Stackpole Books, 2010.
Mellenthin, F. "Panzer Battles." Spellmount, 2013.
Mitcham, S. Hitler’s Legions: German Army Order of Battle, World War II. Leo Cooper, 1985.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume One: 1st-290th Infantry Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Two: 291st-999th Infantry Divisions, Named Infantry Divisions, and Special Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Three: Panzer, Panzer Grenadier, and Waffen SS Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “Rommel’s Desert War: The Life and Death of the Afrika Korps.” Stackpole Books, Kindle, 2007.
Nafziger, G. The Afrika Korps: An Organizational History 1941-1943. 1997.
Nash, N. “Strafer Desert General: The Life and Killing of Lieutenant General WHE Gott.” Pen and Sword Books Ltd, Kindle Edition, 2013.
Pitt, B. “The Crucible of War: Auchinleck’s Command.” The Definitive History of the Desert War. Cassell & Co, 2001.
Playfair, I. The Mediterranean and Middle East, Volume II, The Germans come to the Help of their Ally [1941]. The Naval & Military Press LTD, 1956.
Playfair, I. The Mediterranean and Middle East, Volume III, British Fortunes reach their Lowest Ebb [September 1941 to September 1942]. The Naval & Military Press LTD 1960. Ed. 2004.
Rees, L. “The Holocaust: A New History.” Penguin Books, 2017. (yes)
Smart, N. “Biographical Dictionary of British Generals of the Second World War.” Kindle.
Jim, H. “Axis Forces in Libya (September, 1941).” FEBRUARY 17, 2010. http://www.comandosupremo.com/Libya1941.html
Moore, G. “Operation Crusader” (Order of Battle) http://gregpanzerblitz.com/Crusader.htm
German generals in Operation Crusader https://rommelsriposte.com/2009/02/03/i-have-a-son-in-russia/
300th Oasis Battalion https://rommelsriposte.com/2010/07/28/oasen-bataillon-z-b-v-300/
British and German Armour Piercing Rounds Penetration Statistics https://www.wwiivehicles.com/
Full list of all my WW2 and related books can be found here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
And finally, please consider supporting me on Patreon and make these videos possible! https://www.patreon.com/TIKhistory Again, thank you to my Patreons! YOU ARE AWESOME!
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I did mispronounce “Servizio Informazioni Militare” and “Cesare Amè”, but I tried really really hard not to! I’ve probably also mispronounced “Gabr Saleh” and other places, so please be nice to me in the comments… I’m also assuming Colonel Bonner Fellers was pronounced “Boh-ner” rather than “Bone-er”, which would be unfortunate.
Thank you to a few of you who told me how to pronounce “Freyberg” correctly (it’s Fry-berg). Also, a quick shout-out and a thank you to David Olie, who sent me a picture of Alexander Gatehouse, and I’ve updated the unit card.
At 20:38, I quoted from Pitt, but somehow missed this when editing. So, this part of the narrative is from Pitt, Page 35. “Not only did this affect their efficiency for the coming battle but it obviously affected the morale of men who had volunteered for active military duties, and now found themselves continually employed as static labourers.”
Piecing together how the plan was actually formed isn’t easy with the current secondary sources. I’d love to dive into the primary sources to figure out the evolution, but I’m unable to do so. Cunningham seems to have been concerned about 13th Corps’ flank, so to blame Godwin-Austen and Freyberg entirely would probably be wrong. Should Cunningham take the blame for the plan? Was it a collective effort or not? I’d love to hear your thoughts on this.
Norrie complained about the plan after the battle, but it’s not super-clear if he was genuinely unhappy before the battle. I’ve run with the idea that he was, simply because of the war-game rehearsal shows that he convinced Cunningham to accompany him in the drive to Gabr Saleh. He wouldn’t have done this if he was entirely happy with the plan.
This video was so graphically intensive (I know it doesn’t look like it is, but it is) that it took 5 hours to render out. That’s a bit ominous for future videos, since there’s going to be a lot more units on the field of battle when we get into the action.
Next week’s video will be talking about Axis forces, and Halder’s scheme to stop Rommel. I think it’ll be about 40 minutes long :)
SELECTED SOURCES/BIBLIOGRAPHY
Same as last week (they probably won’t change now) -
Barnett, C. “The Desert Generals.” Kindle, 2nd Edition.
Becket, I. “Rommel: A Reappraisal.” Pen & Sword Ltd, Kindle, 2013.
Bierman, J. & Smith, C. “Alamein: War Without Hate.” Penguin Books, 2003.
Butler, D. “Field Marshal: The Life and Death of Erwin Rommel.” Casemate Publishers, 2015.
Cappellano, F. “Italian Medium Tanks: 1939–45.” New Vanguard, Kindle.
Ford, K. “Operation Crusader 1941: Rommel in Retreat.” Osprey Publishing, 2010.
Harrison, M. "The Economics of World War II: Six Great Powers in International Comparison." Cambridge University Press, Kindle 2005.
Kitchen, M. “Rommel’s Desert War: Waging World War II in North Africa, 1941-1943.” Cambridge University Press, 2009.
Kurowski, F. “Das Afrika Korps: Erwin Rommel and the Germans in Africa, 1941-43.” Stackpole Books, 2010.
Mellenthin, F. "Panzer Battles." Spellmount, 2013.
Mitcham, S. Hitler’s Legions: German Army Order of Battle, World War II. Leo Cooper, 1985.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume One: 1st-290th Infantry Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Two: 291st-999th Infantry Divisions, Named Infantry Divisions, and Special Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Three: Panzer, Panzer Grenadier, and Waffen SS Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “Rommel’s Desert War: The Life and Death of the Afrika Korps.” Stackpole Books, Kindle, 2007.
Nafziger, G. The Afrika Korps: An Organizational History 1941-1943. 1997.
Nash, N. “Strafer Desert General: The Life and Killing of Lieutenant General WHE Gott.” Pen and Sword Books Ltd, Kindle Edition, 2013.
Pitt, B. “The Crucible of War: Auchinleck’s Command.” The Definitive History of the Desert War. Cassell & Co, 2001.
Playfair, I. The Mediterranean and Middle East, Volume II, The Germans come to the Help of their Ally [1941]. The Naval & Military Press LTD, 1956.
Playfair, I. The Mediterranean and Middle East, Volume III, British Fortunes reach their Lowest Ebb [September 1941 to September 1942]. The Naval & Military Press LTD 1960. Ed. 2004.
Rees, L. “The Holocaust: A New History.” Penguin Books, 2017. (yes)
Smart, N. “Biographical Dictionary of British Generals of the Second World War.” Kindle.
Jim, H. “Axis Forces in Libya (September, 1941).” FEBRUARY 17, 2010. http://www.comandosupremo.com/Libya1941.html
Moore, G. “Operation Crusader” (Order of Battle) http://gregpanzerblitz.com/Crusader.htm
German generals in Operation Crusader https://rommelsriposte.com/2009/02/03/i-have-a-son-in-russia/
300th Oasis Battalion https://rommelsriposte.com/2010/07/28/oasen-bataillon-z-b-v-300/
British and German Armour Piercing Rounds Penetration Statistics https://www.wwiivehicles.com/
Full list of all my WW2 and related books can be found here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
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It didn't. As shown in the video, the Germans lose by 1941 (or 1942 at the latest). In 1941, when the Germans and Axis invade the Soviet Union they outnumbered the Red Army. There were 3,957,910 Axis troops (3,118,910 German plus 839,000 Axis Allies) vs 2,743,000 Soviet troops on the 22/06/1941.
Yes, the Soviets sent in reinforcements, but that doesn't mean on day 2 the Germans suddenly faced a billion Soviets. On the 11/09/1941 the Soviets had 3,463,000 men, vs 4,215,147 Axis troops (3,382,000 German and 833,147 Allied). And between the 22nd of June and the 30th of September, Soviet losses amounted to 2,817,303. So effectively, they had taken losses equivalent to their border army, and now had 3,463,000 troops at the front, vs 4,215,147 Axis. So yes, during this initial period of the war, the Germans and Axis outnumber the Soviets.
The Axis are only outnumbered for the first time in December 1941, which is coincidentally the first time they're thrown back.
German casualties on the Eastern Front for 1941 were 312,600, plus Axis allied losses of 81,500, for a total of 384,100 total Axis losses in 1941.
For the whole of 1941, the Soviets lost 4,791,300 men. On the 1st of December 1941, they had 4,197,000 men at the front. Add them together, gives you 8,988,300 (admittingly, we're a month out from 1st of December to January, but you get the point).
During this vital time on the Eastern Front - June to October/November - the Germans outnumber the Red Army. Yet they are not able to achieve strategic victory. In fact, their offensive grinds to a halt through lack of oil (as the main factor, though there are other factors). We can therefore conclude they are not outnumbered.
And outproduced? The Soviets are busy transporting their industries to the Urals. Production does not catch up until late 1942. I'm planning on doing a video on this, but it's hard to see how between June 22nd 1941 and October 1941 how the Soviets out-produced and outnumbered the Germans, when in reality their army was smaller at any one given moment in time than the Germans. Yes, they eventually outnumbered the Germans, but by that point the war is arguably lost. Only Hitler's last gamble to take the Caucasus is what could save him, and while the Soviets do outnumber the Germans at this point (5,313,000 Red Army vs 3,578,000 Axis troops on the 07/06/1942) along the whole front, the Germans concentrate their forces in the south, achieving local superiority. In fact, at Stalingrad, Paulus's 80,000 men who took part in the initial assault on the city, outnumber Chuikov's army, which never exceeds 54,000 men. It's not until after the campaign becomes static that the Soviets are truly able to gather the resources needed to outnumber and thus defeat the Germans (Operation Uranus, Little Saturn etc). But as I said, it's arguable that the war was already lost by October 1941 (if not earlier) when the Axis enjoyed superiority in numbers.
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Notes Timestamps are in the description!
Next week’s video will be the last in the Crusader series. We’ll see the final part of the action, plus do a lot of debating. The plan is still to fix all the minor issues (plus add in more miles/km measurements) and release the +8 hour complete Crusader video on Monday 7th of January 2019. And I will be doing a follow-up Crusader video the week after (which probably won’t be included in the ‘complete’ Crusader video) talking about Pienaar and the debate surrounding it, since I’ve been accused of being biased. Now that I’ve got the official South African history, I can wade into that debate fully.
The sources are terribly weak when it comes to the events on the Frontier, so I was compelled to use internet sources to fill out the details for these sections. I also couldn’t fit all the units on the map, so the Axis forces located at Bardia (according to http://www.lonesentry.com/bardia_intel/index.html ) were -
GERMAN: 10th Oasis Company, 200 Pioneer Battalion, Administration Services.
ITALIAN: 3rd Battalion from 40th Infantry Regiment (from the BOLOGNA Division), 2nd Battalion from 15th Infantry Regiment (SAVONA), 4th Genoa Cavalry Armoured Car Battalion, 1 Company of the 5th Light Tank Battalion, plus additional units. The Genoa Battalion may not be armoured cars, but I have them listed as armoured cars elsewhere.
As for the Sollum/Halfaya Garrison and Savona positions, I’ve tried to piece them together using various maps and forums online (mainly https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=177538 especially map at bottom of first page). I suspect the German positions are correct, but not sure on the Savona positions. If anyone has any more information, let me know.
While not mentioned in the books yet (probably later), Churchill’s order for Auchinleck to send troops to the Far East resulted in the 70th Division going to the Far East. From what I can tell, most of the 70th Division remained in Tobruk and began departing in December 1941 or January 1942. Kopanski’s Polish Brigade remained with Eighth Army during this time though.
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SELECTED SOURCES/BIBLIOGRAPHY
Barnett, C. “The Desert Generals.” Kindle, 2nd Edition.
Becket, I. “Rommel: A Reappraisal.” Pen & Sword Ltd, Kindle, 2013.
Bierman, J. & Smith, C. “Alamein: War Without Hate.” Penguin Books, 2003.
Butler, D. “Field Marshal: The Life and Death of Erwin Rommel.” Casemate Publishers, 2015.
Cappellano, F. “Italian Medium Tanks: 1939–45.” New Vanguard, Kindle.
Ford, K. “Operation Crusader 1941: Rommel in Retreat.” Osprey Publishing, 2010.
Harrison, M. "The Economics of World War II: Six Great Powers in International Comparison." Cambridge University Press, Kindle 2005.
Kitchen, M. “Rommel’s Desert War: Waging World War II in North Africa, 1941-1943.” Cambridge University Press, 2009.
Kurowski, F. “Das Afrika Korps: Erwin Rommel and the Germans in Africa, 1941-43.” Stackpole Books, 2010.
Macintyre, B. "SAS: Rogue Heroes." Penguin Random House, Kindle 2016.
Mellenthin, F. "Panzer Battles." Spellmount, 2013.
Mitcham, S. Hitler’s Legions: German Army Order of Battle, World War II. Leo Cooper, 1985.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume One: 1st-290th Infantry Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Two: 291st-999th Infantry Divisions, Named Infantry Divisions, and Special Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Three: Panzer, Panzer Grenadier, and Waffen SS Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “Rommel’s Desert War: The Life and Death of the Afrika Korps.” Stackpole Books, Kindle, 2007.
Mortimer, G. "Kill Rommel! Operation Flipper 1941." Osprey Publishing, Kindle 2014.
Nafziger, G. The Afrika Korps: An Organizational History 1941-1943. 1997.
Nash, N. “Strafer Desert General: The Life and Killing of Lieutenant General WHE Gott.” Pen and Sword Books Ltd, Kindle Edition, 2013.
Pitt, B. “The Crucible of War: Auchinleck’s Command. The Definitive History of the Desert War.” Cassell & Co, 2001.
Playfair, I. The Mediterranean and Middle East, Volume II, The Germans come to the Help of their Ally [1941]. The Naval & Military Press LTD, 1956.
Playfair, I. The Mediterranean and Middle East, Volume III, British Fortunes reach their Lowest Ebb [September 1941 to September 1942]. The Naval & Military Press LTD 1960. Ed. 2004.
Rees, L. “The Holocaust: A New History.” Penguin Books, 2017. (yes)
Smart, N. “Biographical Dictionary of British Generals of the Second World War.” Kindle.
Stewart, A.”The Early Battles of Eighth Army: ‘Crusader’ to the Alamein Line 1941-1942.” Lee Cooper Books, 2002.
Zapotoczny, W. "The Italian Army In North Africa: A Poor Fighting Force or Doomed by Circumstance." Fonthill Media Limited, 2018.
Bender, R.J., & Law, R.D., “Uniforms, Organization and History of the Afrikakorps.” R.J.Bender, Publisher, USA, 1973. PDF: “German Kampfgruppe In North Africa 1941 through 1943”.
Jim, H. “Axis Forces in Libya (September, 1941).” FEBRUARY 17, 2010. http://www.comandosupremo.com/Libya1941.html
Moore, G. “Operation Crusader” (Order of Battle) http://gregpanzerblitz.com/Crusader.htm
German generals in Operation Crusader https://rommelsriposte.com/2009/02/03/i-have-a-son-in-russia/
300th Oasis Battalion https://rommelsriposte.com/2010/07/28/oasen-bataillon-z-b-v-300/
British and German Armour Piercing Rounds Penetration Statistics https://www.wwiivehicles.com/
Tobruk Breakout Positions. “The Crusader Project.” 7th September 2014. https://rommelsriposte.com/2014/09/07/making-sense-of-the-tobruk-breakout/
Maughan, B. & Gage, C. “Australia in the War of 1939–1945: Series One: Army
Volume 3 Tobruk and El Alamein.” Chapter 10, 2016. http://tothosewhoserved.org/aus/army/ausarm03/chapter10.html
Badia Garrison from “The British Capture of Bardia (December 1941 - January 1942): A Successful Infantry-Tank Attack (Information Bulletin No. 21, U.S. War Department, WWII)” http://www.lonesentry.com/bardia_intel/index.html
The Official New Zealand History http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-corpus-WH2.html
Full list of all my WW2 and related books can be found here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
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Awesome! Let's debate it :)
I would point out that Paulus isn't to know that the airlift wasn't going to work for at least a week if not longer. So to say that he had first-hand evidence that it isn't working is not quite true. Just like at Demyansk, it takes a while for an airlift to get going. So at this moment, he wouldn't know that it's not going to work.
His best opportunity is to pack up and leave before the encirclement closes, or breakout immediately after it (the first week) while his army is still strong physically and also has a good chunk of supplies. The issue is that by this point, he's been ordered to stand firm,be resupplied by air and wait for Manstein (who's also reassuring him) to come get him out. So, not knowing that the airlift was going to fail, and not knowing that the future relief attempt by Germany's greatest contemporary general (if you believe Manstein), why would you order your army to break out? The only reason you would argue that is because you're seeing this from the benefit of hindsight, because you know the outcome. At the time, Paulus would have had to have defied Hitler and his immediate superior (Manstein), and would have had to abandon a lot of his equipment since his army didn't have all of their horses needed to pull their guns (they were moved into winter-quarters and weren't trapped with 6th Army).
And the longer he waits to find out if the airlift works or not, or if the relief attempt is coming or not, the weaker his army becomes and the more horses it eats. By the time mid-December rolls around, when the relief attempt is making ground, his army can't go more than 30kms. It could if it was a "every man for himself" roll of the dice, but that's a tough decision to make, especially when Manstein is still telling you he'll reach you soon.
So no, I do think Paulus is not to blame for this. He should have broken out (hindsight), but he can't be blamed for not breaking out. In my opinion, that blame goes to Hitler, Jeschonnek, Göring and Manstein.
Hope that makes sense :)
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Notes and Sources
A reminder: this video series is bi-weekly, but I do publish videos every Monday at 5pm GMT (double check for British Summer Time) so be sure to check back on Mondays!
@ 20:35 Haupt definitely lists the “29th Infantry Division” as being in the Courland Pocket, which I assumed was a mistake, but have left it in the video because I was going to ask you guys if you knew what he was talking about. The 29th Infantry Division was a motorized division that got destroyed at Stalingrad, so it couldn’t have been that. But I realised too late to change it that it could have been the 329th Infantry Division, which was in the Courland Pocket at this time. This makes sense, so I’ll be changing it for the all-in-one video.
The sources are incredibly vague about this period of the campaign, which is why I wasn’t able to go into a lot of detail. As mentioned in Part 2, the Soviet histories on the battle just gave up on it, so the German perspective starts to take over from now on.
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Battistelli, P. "Panzer Divisions 1944–45." Ospery Publishing, Kindle.
Byrd, R. "Once I Had a Comrade: Karl Roth and the Combat History of the 36th Panzer Regiment 1939-45." Helion & Company, Kindle 2006.
Buttar, P. "Between Giants: The Battle for the Baltics in World War II." Ospery Publishing, 2013.
Citino, R. “The Wehrmacht's Last Stand: The German Campaigns of 1944-1945.” University of Kansas, 2017.
Dönitz, K. "Memoirs: Ten Years and Twenty Days." Frontline Books, Kindle 2012.
Glantz, D. “Colossus Reborn: The Red Army at War, 1941-1943.” University Press of Kansas, 2005.
Glantz, D. “When Titan’s Clashed.” University Press of Kansas, 2015.
Guderian, H. “Panzer Leader.” Penguin Books, 2000.
Harrison, M. "The Economics of World War II: Six Great Powers in International Comparison." Cambridge University Press, 2000.
Haupt, W. "Army Group North: The Wehrmacht in Russia 1941-1945." Schiffer Publishing Ltd, 1997.
Heiber, H. Glantz, D. “Hitler and his Generals. Military Conferences 1942-1945.” Enigma Books, 2004.
Hillblad, T. "Twilight of the Gods: A Swedish Volunteer in the 11th SS Panzergrenadier Division "Nordland" on the Eastern Front." Stackpole Books, Kindle 2009.
Hitler, A. "Mein Kampf." Jaico Publishing House, 2017.
Hitler, A. "Zweites Buch (Secret Book): Adolf Hitler's Sequel to Mein Kampf." Jaico Publishing House, 2017.
Hoppe, H. “A Theory of Socialism and Capitalism.” Kindle.
Hunt, V. “Blood in the Forest: The End of the Second World War in the Courland Pocket.” Helion & Company Limited, 2017.
Kurowski, F. "Bridgehead Kurland: The Six Epic Battles of Heeresgruppe Kurland." Fedorowicz Publishing, 2002.
Larsson, L. "Hitler's Swedes: A History of the Swedish Volunteers of the Waffen-SS." Helion & Company, Kindle 2015.
Lunde, H. “Hitler’s Wave-Breaker Concept: An Analysis of the German End Game in the Baltic.” Casemate Publishers, 2013.
Mawdsley, E. “Thunder in the East: The Nazi-Soviet War 1941-1945.” Second Edition, Kindle, University of Oxford.
Megargee, G. "Inside Hitler's High Command." University Press of Kansas, 2000.
Michaelis, Rolf. "The 11th SS-Freiwilligen-Panzer-Grenadier-Division "Nordland"." Schiffer Publishing, 2008.
Mitcham, S. “Hitler’s Legions: German Army Order of Battle World War II.” Redwood Burn Limited, 1985.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume One: 1st-290th Infantry Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Two: 291st-999th Infantry Divisions, Named Infantry Divisions, and Special Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Three: Panzer, Panzer Grenadier, and Waffen SS Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
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Niepold, G. “Panzer-Operationen Doppelkopf und Cäsar: Sommer ‘44.” Mittler & Sohn, 1987.
Perrett, B. "Panzerkampfwagen IV Medium Tank 1936-45." Osprey Publishing, 2007.
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Snyder, T. "Blood Lands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin." Vintage, 2011.
Számvéber, N. “Illustrated History of the Sturmgeschütz-Abteilung 202.” PeKo Publishing Kft, Kindle 2016.
Tieke, W. "Tragedy of the Faithful: A History of the III. (germanishes) SS-Panzer-Korps." Fedorowicz Publishing Inc, 2001.
Wilbeck, C. "Sledgehammers: Strengths and Flaws of Tiger Tank Battalions in World War II." Aberjona Press, Kindle 2015.
Wilbeck, C. "Swinging the Sledgehammer: The Combat Effectiveness of German Heavy Tank Battalions in World War II." Fort Leavenworth, PDF 2002.
Zeimke, E. “From Stalingrad to Berlin: The Illustrated Edition.” Pen & Sword, Kindle 2014.
Zaloga, S. "T-34/76 Medium Tank 1941-45." Osprey Publishing, 2010.
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A full list of all my WW2 and related books can be found here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
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"But if Google Marx's philosophy you'll soon discover that Marxism is based on materialism, which is literally the opposite of idealism (Hegelian or any)."
In that very video, I quoted Marx in the video saying this. You don't need to "Google it" because I literally quoted the exact passage where he says this. Try to actually watch the full video before commenting.
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What you've missed is that Marx is a dialectical materialist. Dialectical, meaning "transcendence". And "materialism" being the belief that reality is fake. Thus, Marx believes in the transcendence of the fake reality. This is, practically speaking, no different that what Hegel said. The only difference is that Marx things reality shapes the mind, which then produces God, whereas Hegel things God shapes the mind and that produces material reality. It's not "literally the opposite" - it's reliant on the exact same principle: the idea that reality is fake.
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"So either he is simply stupid or he is a liar."
Neither. You're the ignorant one here, not me.
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"Well, the food is a PRODUCT unless it's deliberately made for profit and is ought to be selled on the market, then it's a commodity. And he doesn't know that)) He is just a f.o.o.l."
Since you love Google so much, a quick search will show you that both a product and a commodity can be bought and sold. A commodity is merely a raw material, whereas a product is usually the end product. Without commodities you don't have products. So, my point still stands. Without commodities you do not have food, and therefore a commodity-less society is a food-less society.
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Timestamps to the different questions are in the description. I know this is a sensitive topic, so please keep the discussion civil.
There was some audio issues with the recording (you can occasionally hear the sound skip in the video) which is partly why the lip-sync goes out. I didn’t have time to go back and reshoot, so it is what it is.
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Selected Bibliography / Sources
Bishop, P. "Fighter Boys and Bomber Boys: Saving Britain 1940-1945." William Collins, 2017.
Citino, R. “The Wehrmacht's Last Stand: The German Campaigns of 1944-1945.” University of Kansas, 2017.
Grayling, A. "Among the Dead Cities: Is the Targeting of Civilians in War ever Justified?" Bloomsbury, Kindle 2006.
Ivanova, G. "Labour Camp Socialism: The Gulag in the Soviet Totalitarian System." Routledge, Kindle 2015.
Murray, W. “Strategy For Defeat: The Luftwaffe 1933-1945.” Pickle Partners, Kindle 2019.
Overy, R. “Why the Allies Won.” Penguin Random House, 2006.
A full list of all my WW2 and related books can be found here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
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A reminder: this video series is bi-weekly, but I do publish videos every Monday at 5pm GMT (double check for British Summer Time) so be sure to check back on Mondays!
I got most of the economic information regarding inflation from https://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Inflation_in_Nazi_Germany which did use German sources, but it’s not ideal because it’s a wikipedia-source. I will be searching for more sources on this because I want to cover the Third Reich’s economic crisis going through WW2. If you know of any sources that talk about Germany’s inflation during WW2, or its deficit spending (excluding “Wages of Destruction” or “Hitler’s Beneficiaries” because I already have them), please let me know. Many of you have requested that I do more videos on Germany’s economic situation and I am more than happy to do that. Thanks to my AWESOME Patrons, I’ve recently purchased “The Taste of War”, which talks about the WW2 food crisis. Sadly, nothing specific on Courland otherwise I would have mentioned it.
Otherwise, not a lot to say this time. Hope you enjoy the video!
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Anderson, T. “The History of the Panzerwaffe. Volume 2: 1942-45.” Osprey Publishing, 2017.
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Inflation in Germany
https://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Inflation_in_Nazi_Germany
I’ve also used some maps and information from http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/
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I can now confidently inform you that there should be two more Crusader videos after this video. And the plan is to fix all the minor issues and release the +8 hour complete Crusader video on Monday 7th of January 2019.
It seems that I’ve made a mistake somewhere: Lieutenant Colonel Drew commands 5th Royal Tank Regiment, even though I had him listed as commanding the 8th Hussars earlier in the battle. Not sure if there’s a source that lists him as commanding 8th Hussars somewhere or if I’ve just misread it, but either way he was commanding 5RTR now. No idea who was commanding 8th Hussars at this time, but they were supposed to have been destroyed earlier in the battle, so I’m also not sure how or why they’ve reappeared.
Apart from 11th Indian Infantry Brigade, the exact movements of the 4th Indian Division during this time are unknown. 5th Indian Brigade was at Sidi Azeiz, but it’s unclear when exactly they moved west. After the action at Libyan Omar and Sidi Azeiz, both 5th and 7th Indian Brigades aren’t heard of again until the 15th of December, so are presumably just moving west during this time. If anyone knows if there’s an official 4th Indian Division history out there, please let me know.
Just a bit of a footnote which I’ve just stumbled upon, 44th Royal Tank Regiment (part of 1st Army Tank Brigade at Sidi Rezegh) ended up being attached to the US 101st Airborne Division during Operation Market Garden in 1944. Thought it was worth mentioning :)
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SELECTED SOURCES/BIBLIOGRAPHY
Barnett, C. “The Desert Generals.” Kindle, 2nd Edition.
Becket, I. “Rommel: A Reappraisal.” Pen & Sword Ltd, Kindle, 2013.
Bierman, J. & Smith, C. “Alamein: War Without Hate.” Penguin Books, 2003.
Butler, D. “Field Marshal: The Life and Death of Erwin Rommel.” Casemate Publishers, 2015.
Cappellano, F. “Italian Medium Tanks: 1939–45.” New Vanguard, Kindle.
Ford, K. “Operation Crusader 1941: Rommel in Retreat.” Osprey Publishing, 2010.
Harrison, M. "The Economics of World War II: Six Great Powers in International Comparison." Cambridge University Press, Kindle 2005.
Kitchen, M. “Rommel’s Desert War: Waging World War II in North Africa, 1941-1943.” Cambridge University Press, 2009.
Kurowski, F. “Das Afrika Korps: Erwin Rommel and the Germans in Africa, 1941-43.” Stackpole Books, 2010.
Macintyre, B. "SAS: Rogue Heroes." Penguin Random House, Kindle 2016.
Mellenthin, F. "Panzer Battles." Spellmount, 2013.
Mitcham, S. Hitler’s Legions: German Army Order of Battle, World War II. Leo Cooper, 1985.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume One: 1st-290th Infantry Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Two: 291st-999th Infantry Divisions, Named Infantry Divisions, and Special Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Three: Panzer, Panzer Grenadier, and Waffen SS Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “Rommel’s Desert War: The Life and Death of the Afrika Korps.” Stackpole Books, Kindle, 2007.
Mortimer, G. "Kill Rommel! Operation Flipper 1941." Osprey Publishing, Kindle 2014.
Nafziger, G. The Afrika Korps: An Organizational History 1941-1943. 1997.
Nash, N. “Strafer Desert General: The Life and Killing of Lieutenant General WHE Gott.” Pen and Sword Books Ltd, Kindle Edition, 2013.
Pitt, B. “The Crucible of War: Auchinleck’s Command. The Definitive History of the Desert War.” Cassell & Co, 2001.
Playfair, I. The Mediterranean and Middle East, Volume II, The Germans come to the Help of their Ally [1941]. The Naval & Military Press LTD, 1956.
Playfair, I. The Mediterranean and Middle East, Volume III, British Fortunes reach their Lowest Ebb [September 1941 to September 1942]. The Naval & Military Press LTD 1960. Ed. 2004.
Rees, L. “The Holocaust: A New History.” Penguin Books, 2017. (yes)
Smart, N. “Biographical Dictionary of British Generals of the Second World War.” Kindle.
Stewart, A.”The Early Battles of Eighth Army: ‘Crusader’ to the Alamein Line 1941-1942.” Lee Cooper Books, 2002.
Zapotoczny, W. "The Italian Army In North Africa: A Poor Fighting Force or Doomed by Circumstance." Fonthill Media Limited, 2018.
Bender, R.J., & Law, R.D., “Uniforms, Organization and History of the Afrikakorps.” R.J.Bender, Publisher, USA, 1973. PDF: “German Kampfgruppe In North Africa 1941 through 1943”.
Jim, H. “Axis Forces in Libya (September, 1941).” FEBRUARY 17, 2010. http://www.comandosupremo.com/Libya1941.html
Moore, G. “Operation Crusader” (Order of Battle) http://gregpanzerblitz.com/Crusader.htm
German generals in Operation Crusader https://rommelsriposte.com/2009/02/03/i-have-a-son-in-russia/
300th Oasis Battalion https://rommelsriposte.com/2010/07/28/oasen-bataillon-z-b-v-300/
British and German Armour Piercing Rounds Penetration Statistics https://www.wwiivehicles.com/
Tobruk Breakout Positions. “The Crusader Project.” 7th September 2014. https://rommelsriposte.com/2014/09/07/making-sense-of-the-tobruk-breakout/
Maughan, B. & Gage, C. “Australia in the War of 1939–1945: Series One: Army
Volume 3 Tobruk and El Alamein.” Chapter 10, 2016. http://tothosewhoserved.org/aus/army/ausarm03/chapter10.html
The Official New Zealand History http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-corpus-WH2.html
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Notes Timestamps are in the description!
If you want to read more on this battle, I highly recommend Pitt’s “The Crucible of War: Auchinleck’s Command. The Definitive History of the Desert War.”
Turns out that there’s a “2nd Queen’s Own” Battalion at Tobruk, not a “4th Queen’s Own”.
It appears that 3rd Battalion of 155th Schützen Regiment is near the Trig Capuzzo on the morning of the 21st of November, but by noon ceases to exist. It isn’t mentioned again in the sources, it’s not displayed on any maps that I have after this point, and disappears from the OOB after this point as well. Plus the fact that the 6th Royal Tank Regiment and the 1st Battalion, King’s Royal Rifle Corps, took 600-700 German and Italian prisoners plus another 400 killed in the area where 3rd Battalion were meant to be at, leads me to think that this 3rd Battalion was either wiped out or so badly damaged that it was withdrawn from the fighting. Apparently it later went on to form the 2nd Battalion of the 200th Schützen Regiment, so perhaps it wasn’t destroyed. Either way, I showed it ‘disappearing’ in the video because it’s clear that it was no longer a factor in the battle.
In regards to the action at Sidi Rezegh at 18:45 onwards, the sources are vague to say the least. Not one of them describe the action in sufficient detail, leaving me to piece together the action from snippets of information. 2nd Battalion of the Royal Tank Regiment appear to be on the left flank, and get into trouble,losing several tanks in the action. But the sources also say that the panzers went towards Sidi Rezegh airfield. Well, if the panzers did go that way, how did they also hit 2nd RTR? Taking an educated guess, I think 15th Panzer Division (maybe not all of it) moved in their direction, allowing 21st Panzer Division (and possibly elements of 15th Panzer Division) to concentrate on Sidi Rezegh.
The positions of Giorgis’ 55th Savona Division’s brigades or battalion is just pure guesswork, since none of my sources (or any source I could find online) mention them at all. So I’ve opted to start using the Italian flags to represent positions held by them. Same applies for the Bardia garrison.
It appears that EVERY historian on this battle calls the three Escarpments something different. Stewart says they’re “1st, 2nd, and 3rd”. Pitt says the top one is the “Main Escarpment”, then the middle one is the “Northern Escarpment”, and the bottom one is the “Southern Escarpment”. Ford says there’s only two - “Northern” and “Southern”. You know it’s bad when people can’t agree on what the terrain features are called. It’s hard to tell where units are simply because they even contradict themselves, plus their maps suck and don’t actually display the names. So I’ve displayed it the way that I think makes the most sense.
British tank loss statistics for the 27th of November 1941 -
7th Armoured Brigade Tanks at start = 165 Remaining tanks = 28. Losses so far 137 (83%)
4th Armoured Brigade Tanks at start = 141. Remaining tanks = ~97. Losses so far ~44 (31%)
22nd Armoured Brigade Tanks at start = 155. Remaining tanks = ~100. Losses so far ~55 (35%)
Total tanks in 7th Armoured Division at start = 461. Remaining tanks ~225 (source says 209). Losses so far ~236 (~51%)
The British command’s misinterpretation of the facts at hand is a great example of why history is important. It teaches us to always question what you’re hearing and never assume things are what they are. This is a big lesson of history and why we should be prepared to change our interpretation of the situation at a moment’s notice.
Regarding the events of the 22nd of November at Sidi Rezegh, I only have three reference maps, all of which contradict each other. In addition, the historians writing about the morning’s events didn’t make it clear what was happening in the slightest. Kampfgruppe Wechmar appears to be in two places at once.
I removed this part of the script at 41:00 because I didn’t have a way of showing it in the video. So I’m going to put it here -
“Much like Campbell, Second-Lieutenant Gunn of the 3rd Anti-tank Regiment Royal Horse Artillery drove around the battlefield in his unarmoured car encouraging his men. When all but one of the guns of his troop had been taken out, Gunn leapt from the car and got a second one back into action. All of it’s crew had been killed, except for the sergeant, but the gun was intact. So, under intense fire, Gunn aimed the gun, as the sergeant loaded it. Even though the anti-tank ammunition was in a burning vehicle, they avoided the fire and grabbed the shells. Together they shot many rounds off, hitting a load of enemy tanks, and setting at least two on fire. Gunn was hit in the forehead and died. He was awarded a Victoria Cross for this action.”
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SELECTED SOURCES/BIBLIOGRAPHY
Barnett, C. “The Desert Generals.” Kindle, 2nd Edition.
Becket, I. “Rommel: A Reappraisal.” Pen & Sword Ltd, Kindle, 2013.
Bierman, J. & Smith, C. “Alamein: War Without Hate.” Penguin Books, 2003.
Butler, D. “Field Marshal: The Life and Death of Erwin Rommel.” Casemate Publishers, 2015.
Cappellano, F. “Italian Medium Tanks: 1939–45.” New Vanguard, Kindle.
Ford, K. “Operation Crusader 1941: Rommel in Retreat.” Osprey Publishing, 2010.
Harrison, M. "The Economics of World War II: Six Great Powers in International Comparison." Cambridge University Press, Kindle 2005.
Kitchen, M. “Rommel’s Desert War: Waging World War II in North Africa, 1941-1943.” Cambridge University Press, 2009.
Kurowski, F. “Das Afrika Korps: Erwin Rommel and the Germans in Africa, 1941-43.” Stackpole Books, 2010.
Macintyre, B. "SAS: Rogue Heroes." Penguin Random House, Kindle 2016.
Mellenthin, F. "Panzer Battles." Spellmount, 2013.
Mitcham, S. Hitler’s Legions: German Army Order of Battle, World War II. Leo Cooper, 1985.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume One: 1st-290th Infantry Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Two: 291st-999th Infantry Divisions, Named Infantry Divisions, and Special Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Three: Panzer, Panzer Grenadier, and Waffen SS Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “Rommel’s Desert War: The Life and Death of the Afrika Korps.” Stackpole Books, Kindle, 2007.
Mortimer, G. "Kill Rommel! Operation Flipper 1941." Osprey Publishing, Kindle 2014.
Nafziger, G. The Afrika Korps: An Organizational History 1941-1943. 1997.
Nash, N. “Strafer Desert General: The Life and Killing of Lieutenant General WHE Gott.” Pen and Sword Books Ltd, Kindle Edition, 2013.
Pitt, B. “The Crucible of War: Auchinleck’s Command. The Definitive History of the Desert War.” Cassell & Co, 2001.
Playfair, I. The Mediterranean and Middle East, Volume II, The Germans come to the Help of their Ally [1941]. The Naval & Military Press LTD, 1956.
Playfair, I. The Mediterranean and Middle East, Volume III, British Fortunes reach their Lowest Ebb [September 1941 to September 1942]. The Naval & Military Press LTD 1960. Ed. 2004.
Rees, L. “The Holocaust: A New History.” Penguin Books, 2017. (yes)
Smart, N. “Biographical Dictionary of British Generals of the Second World War.” Kindle.
Stewart, A.”The Early Battles of Eighth Army: ‘Crusader’ to the Alamein Line 1941-1942.” Lee Cooper Books, 2002.
Zapotoczny, W. "The Italian Army In North Africa: A Poor Fighting Force or Doomed by Circumstance." Fonthill Media Limited, 2018.
Jim, H. “Axis Forces in Libya (September, 1941).” FEBRUARY 17, 2010. http://www.comandosupremo.com/Libya1941.html
Moore, G. “Operation Crusader” (Order of Battle) http://gregpanzerblitz.com/Crusader.htm
German generals in Operation Crusader https://rommelsriposte.com/2009/02/03/i-have-a-son-in-russia/
300th Oasis Battalion https://rommelsriposte.com/2010/07/28/oasen-bataillon-z-b-v-300/
British and German Armour Piercing Rounds Penetration Statistics https://www.wwiivehicles.com/
Tobruk Breakout Positions. “The Crusader Project.” 7th September 2014. https://rommelsriposte.com/2014/09/07/making-sense-of-the-tobruk-breakout/
Maughan, B. & Gage, C. “Australia in the War of 1939–1945: Series One: Army
Volume 3 Tobruk and El Alamein.” Chapter 10, 2016. http://tothosewhoserved.org/aus/army/ausarm03/chapter10.html
Full list of all my WW2 and related books can be found here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
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Sorry for slight delay in pinned comment!
BIG Announcement!
Yes, I announced this the other day, but I had to take the video down, so only about 2,000 of you saw it. Plus not all of you saw my apology video the other day, therefore I’m announcing it again.
Because the script is finally done (75,423 words) and because I’m having Battlestorm-withdrawal symptoms, I have decided that Battlestorm Operation Crusader must come out NOW. And, because the laws of space-time dictate that I can’t create Monday videos and Battlestorm at the same time, I’m committing 100% to Crusader. I didn’t want to do it like this, and the script is not set up for it to be released like this, and I’m not sure if I can actually do it in such a short space of time, but I’m biting the bullet and releasing Crusader in weekly episodes, starting from next week.
In theory, it will be the same as I did with Battlestorm Operation Market Garden where I published several episodes and then put them together into one long video at the end. The only problem is that I actually had Market Garden finished when I started releasing episodes; with Crusader that will not be the case. So any and all mistakes made in the script will have to be ironed out on the fly… which means that if I notice a mistake half-way through that impacts a previous episode - tough luck!
However, the benefits will hopefully outweigh the cons. I’m expecting Crusader to be 7-8 hours long, and I’ll never get it finished if I carry on creating Monday videos. Therefore the only way to finish it is to supplant the normal Monday videos for Crusader.
Now, practically the script was not designed for this, so I’m having to improvise massively. I also don’t know how long each episode will be, nor how many episodes there will actually be. It will be at least 11 episodes, but probably several more. Each of these will vary in length, simply because certain days of the operation are much longer than others etc. But regardless of the logistical issues the offensive must continue! And by that, I mean, Crusader is happening whether we’re ready for it or not.
Notes to this video
I was actually going to show the evolution of Soviet artillery in this episode but ran out of time… plus Crusader. But here’s a bit of information to think about -
Soviet anti-tank gun numbers dropped to 1,188 guns on the 31st of December 1941. And because Soviet factories were being shipped to the East in 1941, production was curtailed. Therefore, mortars became the cheap man’s artillery weapon, since they were easy to build and inexpensive to form units out of. The Soviets then formed many independent mortar regiments. And later (late 1942 onwards), formed Artillery Divisions…
Why? Because by the end of 1941 the Soviets were relying on their centralized artillery reserve force (RVGK) rather than their force artillery. Therefore, comparing a Soviet division to a German division is somewhat pointless.
In the video I mentioned the ammunition chart had changed so here’s the explanation for that (and if you go watch my previous edition of this video you can see the old version of the chart - link in the description). It’s fairly simple really, and actually I’m glad I had to redo this video because I was able to spot it. The table I got the statistics from (Table 6.6 in Stumbling Colossus) lists the Soviet ammunition supply in the table as the “percentage of required”. I took this to mean, if the Soviets required 7.5% of their 37mm AA gun ammunition, then they had 92.5% of their ammunition fulfilled, because the “percentage of requirement” for their ammunition is 7.5%. This was wrong.
Reading through the text again, I noticed that Glantz makes the point of saying that they were running out of 37mm AA gun ammunition - which was contradicted by the stats in the chart. I then reread the chart title - “Level of Supply of Artillery Ammunition in the Western Military Districts, 22 June 1941 (percentage of required)” and realized that the chart was showing the level of supply for the ammunition, not the requirement of the ammunition. The “percentage of requirement” should have been written as either “as a percentage of the level of supply” or more simply “percentage of fulfilment”, or just “percentage”. So yes, I got beat by poor English.
Selected Sources
Glantz, D. “Stumbling Colossus: The Red Army on the Eve of World War.” University Press of Kansas, 1998.
Glantz, D. “Colossus Reborn: The Red Army at War, 1941-1943.” University Press of Kansas, 2005.
Glantz, D. “When Titan’s Clashed.” University Press of Kansas, 2015.
Hogg, I. "German Artillery of World War Two." Greenhill Books, Kindle 2013.
Liedtke, G. “Enduring the Whirlwind: The German Army and the Russo-German War 1941-1943.” Helion & Company LTD, 2016.
Mawdsley, E. “Thunder in the East: The Nazi-Soviet War 1941-1945.” Second Edition, Kindle, University of Oxford.
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I didn't present enough evidence in that video. My intention was to lay out the theory (with the bit of evidence I had), see what people thought, see what the counter-arguments were, then go away and gather as much evidence as possible to present it later. By doing it this way, I can see exactly what the counter-arguments are, and address them. Otherwise, if I spend 6 months doing research for a theory without knowing what the counter-arguments are, there's a danger that it will be a colossal waste of time, and I'd have to start again from scratch.
And before anyone calls me out on that, history theory says that this method is perfectly fine ( see https://youtu.be/PvpJEc-NxVc ). Because if it turns out the evidence doesn't exist, or the evidence for the counter-arguments overwhelm the evidence for the theory, then the theory will be disproven.
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NOTES, LINKS and SOURCES
What are your thoughts on Kampfgruppen? An effective, innovative concept, or a desperate necessity for desperate times? Let me know!
I personally don’t think enough has been written on this subject (in English at least). I’ve scoured the internet in search of information, and most of the books I have, or can get my hands on, do not give details on this topic. Even Wikipedia fails to provide much information on Kampfgruppen. I would love to give you a detailed background on how the Kampfgruppe concept came into being and why, but no, I simply don’t have enough information to do that. I guess it’s another reason to learn German.
I know that I messed up Pieper’s kampfgruppe (it should have the “Armoured” circle symbol). A little too late to go back and fix now :)
Next week’s video will be the Axis Order of Battle for Operation Crusader 1941-42, and will be mentioning several kampfgruppen in that too. 👍 I’m becoming obsessed with the size and structure of divisions, and how this impacted the performance of either side. Crusader really does provide several examples of how size differences, and I’ll be exploring them next week (as I have done with the British Crusader Order of Battle https://youtu.be/QCNDEoRDp6I ).
LINKS
Please consider supporting me on Patreon and make these videos as good as they can be https://www.patreon.com/TIKhistory
My Operation Market Garden documentary https://youtu.be/vTUC79o4Kmc
My review of Robert Kershaw’s book “It Never Snows in September” https://youtu.be/-RRdWCyHpG8
How BIG were Soviet Armies and Divisions in 1942? And what impact did this have? https://youtu.be/wDslsMgnphI
Paulus's 6th Army ORDER OF BATTLE - Before Stalingrad https://youtu.be/DCDjAqTUCmw
The MAIN Reason Why Germany Lost WW2 - OIL https://youtu.be/kVo5I0xNRhg
(Selected) SOURCES / BIBLIOGRAPHY
Caddick-Adams, P. “Snow & Steel: The Battle of the Bulge 1944-1945.” Arrow Books, 2014.
Glantz, D. House, J. “The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 1. To the Gates of Stalingrad. Soviet-German Combat Operations, April-August 1942.” University Press of Kansas, 2009.
Glantz, D. House, J. “The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 2. Armageddon in Stalingrad: September-November 1942.” University Press of Kansas, 2009.
Hastings, M. “ Armageddon: The Battle for Germany 1944-45.” Pan Books, 2005.
Kershaw, R. “It Never Snows in September: The German View of Market Garden and the Battle of Arnhem 1944.” Ian Allan Publishing, 2007.
Lucas, J. “Battle Group! German Kampfgruppen Action of World War Two.” Arms and Armour Press, 1994.
Mark, J. “Death of the Leaping Horsemen: The 24th Panzer Division in Stalingrad 12th August - 20th November 1942.” Stackpole Books, Kindle 2003.
Playfair, I. The Mediterranean and Middle East, Volume III, British Fortunes reach their Lowest Ebb [September 1941 to September 1942]. The Naval & Military Press LTD 1960. Ed. 2004.
Widder, W. “Auftragstaktik and Innere Führung: Trademarks of German Leadership.” Web Archive, 2007. https://web.archive.org/web/20070612045335/http://usacac.leavenworth.army.mil/CAC/milreview/English/SepOct02/SepOct02/widder.pdf
Moore, G. “Operation Crusader” (Order of Battle) http://gregpanzerblitz.com/Crusader.htm
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I realise that the Patreon Company itself is currently going through a bit of a political storm at the moment, and I know many of you in the past couple weeks have voiced your concerns to me (or have voted with your wallets, which is absolutely the right thing to do and I support your decision 100%, even if it hurts me too). I do hear what you’re saying and I am concerned as well. I’m looking into possible solutions for the issue at the moment and will let you know when I have something to share… But I do want to say thank you to everyone who is supporting and anyone who has supported me in the past, because without you, these videos could not be made. I cannot make weekly videos without your support, so THANK YOU - You’re all AWESOME! If you still want to help me make more videos in the meantime (despite the political issues which, again, a solution needs to be found), please consider supporting me on Patreon. Link: https://www.patreon.com/TIKhistory
As I was doing the subtitles I noticed that part of the measurements are over the unit at around 14:00 in the video. I’ll fix that for the ‘Complete’ Crusader video coming out on the 7th of January (2019).
For those of you wondering what was happening in the air during the retreat - from the 23rd of December 1941, RAF fighters were beginning to operate from Msus. British bombers were operating from Gambut, Sidi Rezegh, and Bu Amud, and were hitting the retreating Axis columns. They focused on the coastal roads near Derna, and later the roads running west from Lamluda. The road between Mechili and Charruba was also harrassed, and then the main road north and south of Benghazi as the Axis retreated. These attacks were on a limited scale though, and were not enough to turn the Axis retreat into a rout. In fact, bombers on both sides had trouble with the poor weather, and it seems both sides bombed their own troops on several occasions. But the main problem for the British was that, as Playfair puts it “the enemy’s retreat came at a time when the British were at full stretch in the air as well as on the ground.”
Part of the script I deleted but think you’ll like to read (24th Dec 1941) - “At Jalo, Reid was joined by three Patrols of the Long Range Desert Group and a detachment of the Special Air Service Brigade. They all did their best to harass the enemy on the coast road north and south of Agedabia. They also raided Tamet airfield twice and Agedabia airfield once in the second half of December, destroying a number of German and Italian aircraft.”
BOOK RECOMMENDATIONS!
I cannot recommend Barrie Pitt’s trilogy “The Crucible of War” enough if you want to read more on this battle, or the North African Campaign as a whole. The first half of the second book is all about Operation Crusader. It definitely has the most detail for any of the books that cover the entire battle, and is a great read. Highly recommend and should be a first purchase in my opinion.
The Official British History does an exceptional job at explaining this battle, whilst also remaining neutral for the most part on sensitive issues (like Pienaar). If in doubt, I always referred back to Pitt or Playfair, so I’m going to recommend it too. The Official British history talks about Crusader in “The Mediterranean and Middle East, Volume III, British Fortunes reach their Lowest Ebb [September 1941 to September 1942]” so I’d recommend that. Plus it covers a lot of other battles and campaigns in this area, including operations at sea and in the air.
The Official New Zealand histories are also available for free online. Again, great reads. Here’s the index - http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-corpus-WH2.html
For books on Rommel, my current recommendation is Butler’s “Field Marshal: The Life and Death of Erwin Rommel.” which seems to do a decent job. I haven’t read ALL the billions of books on Rommel out there, but Butler’s is quite detailed, so I’d recommend it. If you want one on Gott, Nash’s “Strafer Desert General: The Life and Killing of Lieutenant General WHE Gott.” is the only one available. It’s good and fun to read, but clearly biased in favour of Gott. Sadly there are no books on Crüwell (in English at least), Norrie, Godwin-Austen, or really any of the other commanders in this battle, which is a shame. I can’t recommend books on the Italians because the two that are listed aren’t very good and miss out most of the important elements so you’re not going to get much use out of them if you’ve watched this series.
And finally, Barnett’s “The Desert Generals” is a controversial book, but also one I’m going to recommend because of how damning he is of the British officer corps, and because of how much me recommending this book will annoy several people reading this sentence. Barnett is someone you either love or hate, and while it’s clear he has an agenda, it’s extremely obvious (as shown in this video). Plus, I think it’s good practice for anyone to read an alternative viewpoint, and Barnett offers that alternative viewpoint.
SELECTED SOURCES/BIBLIOGRAPHY
Agar-Hamilton, J. & Turner, L. “The Sidi Rezeg Battles 1941.” Oxford University Press, 1957.
Barnett, C. “The Desert Generals.” Kindle, 2nd Edition.
Becket, I. “Rommel: A Reappraisal.” Pen & Sword Ltd, Kindle, 2013.
Bierman, J. & Smith, C. “Alamein: War Without Hate.” Penguin Books, 2003.
Butler, D. “Field Marshal: The Life and Death of Erwin Rommel.” Casemate Publishers, 2015.
Cappellano, F. “Italian Medium Tanks: 1939–45.” New Vanguard, Kindle.
Ford, K. “Operation Crusader 1941: Rommel in Retreat.” Osprey Publishing, 2010.
Harrison, M. "The Economics of World War II: Six Great Powers in International Comparison." Cambridge University Press, Kindle 2005.
Kitchen, M. “Rommel’s Desert War: Waging World War II in North Africa, 1941-1943.” Cambridge University Press, 2009.
Kurowski, F. “Das Afrika Korps: Erwin Rommel and the Germans in Africa, 1941-43.” Stackpole Books, 2010.
Macintyre, B. "SAS: Rogue Heroes." Penguin Random House, Kindle 2016.
Mellenthin, F. "Panzer Battles." Spellmount, 2013.
Mitcham, S. Hitler’s Legions: German Army Order of Battle, World War II. Leo Cooper, 1985.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume One: 1st-290th Infantry Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Two: 291st-999th Infantry Divisions, Named Infantry Divisions, and Special Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Three: Panzer, Panzer Grenadier, and Waffen SS Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “Rommel’s Desert War: The Life and Death of the Afrika Korps.” Stackpole Books, Kindle, 2007.
Mortimer, G. "Kill Rommel! Operation Flipper 1941." Osprey Publishing, Kindle 2014.
Nafziger, G. “The Afrika Korps: An Organizational History 1941-1943.” 1997.
Nash, N. “Strafer Desert General: The Life and Killing of Lieutenant General WHE Gott.” Pen and Sword Books Ltd, Kindle Edition, 2013.
Pitt, B. “The Crucible of War: Auchinleck’s Command. The Definitive History of the Desert War.” Cassell & Co, 2001.
Playfair, I. The Mediterranean and Middle East, Volume II, The Germans come to the Help of their Ally [1941]. The Naval & Military Press LTD, 1956.
Playfair, I. The Mediterranean and Middle East, Volume III, British Fortunes reach their Lowest Ebb [September 1941 to September 1942]. The Naval & Military Press LTD 1960. Ed. 2004.
Rees, L. “The Holocaust: A New History.” Penguin Books, 2017. (yes)
Smart, N. “Biographical Dictionary of British Generals of the Second World War.” Kindle.
Stewart, A.”The Early Battles of Eighth Army: ‘Crusader’ to the Alamein Line 1941-1942.” Lee Cooper Books, 2002.
Zapotoczny, W. "The Italian Army In North Africa: A Poor Fighting Force or Doomed by Circumstance." Fonthill Media Limited, 2018.
Bender, R.J., & Law, R.D., “Uniforms, Organization and History of the Afrikakorps.” R.J.Bender, Publisher, USA, 1973. PDF: “German Kampfgruppe In North Africa 1941 through 1943”.
Jim, H. “Axis Forces in Libya (September, 1941).” FEBRUARY 17, 2010. http://www.comandosupremo.com/Libya1941.html
Moore, G. “Operation Crusader” (Order of Battle) http://gregpanzerblitz.com/Crusader.htm
German generals in Operation Crusader https://rommelsriposte.com/2009/02/03/i-have-a-son-in-russia/
300th Oasis Battalion https://rommelsriposte.com/2010/07/28/oasen-bataillon-z-b-v-300/
British and German Armour Piercing Rounds Penetration Statistics https://www.wwiivehicles.com/
Tobruk Breakout Positions. “The Crusader Project.” 7th September 2014. https://rommelsriposte.com/2014/09/07/making-sense-of-the-tobruk-breakout/
Maughan, B. & Gage, C. “Australia in the War of 1939–1945: Series One: Army
Volume 3 Tobruk and El Alamein.” Chapter 10, 2016. http://tothosewhoserved.org/aus/army/ausarm03/chapter10.html
Badia Garrison from “The British Capture of Bardia (December 1941 - January 1942): A Successful Infantry-Tank Attack (Information Bulletin No. 21, U.S. War Department, WWII)” http://www.lonesentry.com/bardia_intel/index.html
The Official New Zealand History http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-corpus-WH2.html
Full list of all my WW2 and related books can be found here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
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Elements of this video have been seen in previous videos, however I’ve updated and improved these parts. For example, British “regiments” were battalions (how was I supposed to know that!? Thank you to whoever it was who pointed that out).
Another viewer mentioned in a previous video that Percy Hobart (also nicknamed ‘Hobo’) may not have been advocating a splitting of the infantry and the tanks. The sources I used say yes, but it seems that at least one source out there (which I do not have) says no. Therefore, we can safely assume that this is up for debate and should not be instantly dismissive of a source that says otherwise. That said, I’ve kept the view in the video because this is the best explanation I’ve seen as to why Cunningham decided to split the tanks from the infantry.
FYI, I only finished this video at 11pm last night after spending about 70 hours on it (including lunch breaks). And some people were complaining that I only release one video a week...
Next week’s video will be talking about the Crusader Plan itself, which is also flawed (wouldn’t be proper British if it wasn’t). I predict it will be about 25 minutes long, so don’t be upset by the length of the video as I’m warning you now ;)
SELECTED SOURCES/BIBLIOGRAPHY
Same as last week (they probably won’t change now) -
Barnett, C. “The Desert Generals.” Kindle, 2nd Edition.
Becket, I. “Rommel: A Reappraisal.” Pen & Sword Ltd, Kindle, 2013.
Bierman, J. & Smith, C. “Alamein: War Without Hate.” Penguin Books, 2003.
Butler, D. “Field Marshal: The Life and Death of Erwin Rommel.” Casemate Publishers, 2015.
Cappellano, F. “Italian Medium Tanks: 1939–45.” New Vanguard, Kindle.
Ford, K. “Operation Crusader 1941: Rommel in Retreat.” Osprey Publishing, 2010.
Harrison, M. "The Economics of World War II: Six Great Powers in International Comparison." Cambridge University Press, Kindle 2005.
Kitchen, M. “Rommel’s Desert War: Waging World War II in North Africa, 1941-1943.” Cambridge University Press, 2009.
Kurowski, F. “Das Afrika Korps: Erwin Rommel and the Germans in Africa, 1941-43.” Stackpole Books, 2010.
Mellenthin, F. "Panzer Battles." Spellmount, 2013.
Mitcham, S. Hitler’s Legions: German Army Order of Battle, World War II. Leo Cooper, 1985.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume One: 1st-290th Infantry Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Two: 291st-999th Infantry Divisions, Named Infantry Divisions, and Special Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Three: Panzer, Panzer Grenadier, and Waffen SS Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “Rommel’s Desert War: The Life and Death of the Afrika Korps.” Stackpole Books, Kindle, 2007.
Nafziger, G. The Afrika Korps: An Organizational History 1941-1943. 1997.
Nash, N. “Strafer Desert General: The Life and Killing of Lieutenant General WHE Gott.” Pen and Sword Books Ltd, Kindle Edition, 2013.
Pitt, B. “The Crucible of War: Auchinleck’s Command.” The Definitive History of the Desert War. Cassell & Co, 2001.
Playfair, I. The Mediterranean and Middle East, Volume II, The Germans come to the Help of their Ally [1941]. The Naval & Military Press LTD, 1956.
Playfair, I. The Mediterranean and Middle East, Volume III, British Fortunes reach their Lowest Ebb [September 1941 to September 1942]. The Naval & Military Press LTD 1960. Ed. 2004.
Rees, L. “The Holocaust: A New History.” Penguin Books, 2017. (yes)
Smart, N. “Biographical Dictionary of British Generals of the Second World War.” Kindle.
Jim, H. “Axis Forces in Libya (September, 1941).” FEBRUARY 17, 2010. http://www.comandosupremo.com/Libya1941.html
Moore, G. “Operation Crusader” (Order of Battle) http://gregpanzerblitz.com/Crusader.htm
German generals in Operation Crusader https://rommelsriposte.com/2009/02/03/i-have-a-son-in-russia/
300th Oasis Battalion https://rommelsriposte.com/2010/07/28/oasen-bataillon-z-b-v-300/
British and German Armour Piercing Rounds Penetration Statistics https://www.wwiivehicles.com/
Full list of all my WW2 and related books can be found here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
And finally, please consider supporting me on Patreon and make these videos possible! https://www.patreon.com/TIKhistory Again, thank you to my Patreons! YOU ARE AWESOME!
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I think you've misunderstood. A lot of people are saying that the Germans were "superior" in every way to the Soviets, and could take out many times their number. This video shows that's not the case. Most Soviet losses were in 1941, when they were hit by a surprise attack during the middle of an unfinished mobilization program while they were transitioning to new doctrines and had only just decided to create tank divisions (which were lacking many support structures as a result). They were outnumbered on day one too, and would only outnumber the Germans for the first time in December (coincidentally when the Germans stopped advancing). The rest of the war, the Soviets fought back hard and got the ratio back down to reasonable levels considering the ratio in 1941. I'm saying, if the Germans are so "superior" like some claim they are, why are they not able to deal with a ratio of just two to one? Now, I know perfectly why they can't deal with that ratio (because they're not superior), but this has annoyed so many Wehrmacht fan-boys that any serious discussion of the topic is out of the question.
The reality is (as this Monday's video will show) that the Germans do have more men and tanks in 1943 than they do in 1941. This flies against the idea that the Germans weren't able to replace their losses - which people say, if they had, it would have been a different story. Well sorry, but they did replace their losses. They say the Germans were outnumbered. Not until December 1941. AND in 1942, the Axis European alliance (Germany, Italy, Finland, Romania, Hungary...) actually outnumbered the Soviet Union's remaining population.
Again, the perception of the Eastern Front, as presented by the German generals after the war under Halder's supervision, is simply wrong.
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"I'm just a white trash yankee from Massachusetts"
I'm glad my video made you think, but don't speak down of yourself, even if tongue-in-cheek! You must look after your self-esteem.
And I'm not the first to deliberately separate "capitalism" from "the free market", but I'm maintaining this stance now because, like you, it makes people think. As soon as someone says they're a "capitalist", people immediately think they're for the current system, since the current system is capitalist. But when I say "I'm against capitalism, and we need a free market", that takes people off guard, and they start questioning the narratives they've been hearing, which is precisely what they need to be doing.
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"Although one thing I really dislike about your position is that you seem to think that anyone who believes in one aspect of socialism believes in them all."
No, I don't. Socialism is the umbrella term that I'm using to cast a net over the entire movement, since socialism itself is at the heart of all the various factions. I understand that there's minor differences between the factions, but ultimately I can't sit there listing every faction every time I want to talk about them.
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"While their support of socialism may inherently support antisemitism if you look at it from the most top-down perspective, I think that it is very possible to agree with some aspects of socialism while abhorring others."
Right, but the reason people are socialist is because they think the (Jewish) "free market" doesn't work. But that assumption itself is born out of anti-Semitism. So to be a socialist is to accept that anti-Semitic arguments are correct. If you agree that the (Jewish) "free market" is bad, then you have no counter when a National Socialist argues this. Why are you any different to a Nazi? They were saying the same thing!
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"Or would you still call them socialists and continue to lump them in with the antisemites and extremists?"
No no, they are one and the same. Whether individual socialists realize it or not, anti-Semitism is fundamental to the idea of Socialism, because their dislike of the "capitalist free market" is the same thing as anti-Semitism, due to the fact that the Jews were (historically) so closely tied to the bourgeoisie, capitalism and the free market.
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Some people have been asking - when are my next videos coming out? My videos are out every Monday at 5pm GMT (be wary of British summer time because that changes this coming weekend). Typically, tonight I may not be around 100% because next week’s video is a long one so I’m trying to get some editing done this evening, but normally I’m around for the first few hours after a upload in order to respond to your messages.
In regards to 15th Panzer Division’s clash with 4th Armoured Brigade, I’m fairly confident I have the 4th Armoured Brigade’s and 8th Panzer Regiment’s correct, however I don’t have any information about the position of their battalions. I’m taking an educated guess with 4th Armoured Brigade because 8th Hussars were on the left flank the day before, and 3rd RTR was near Sidi Azeiz, so I’m assuming 8th and 5th Battalion would still be in those positions (likely), and therefore 3rd RTR would be on the right flank (possibly). As for Cramer and Zintel’s battalions, other than knowing that the two panzer battalions were in the middle and the infantry were on the flanks (according to Ford, but Pitt says “two infantry regiments” were on the left flank - which seems wrong because they were battalions), I have no other information. Therefore, the German battalion numbers and positions could be completely wrong.
I also have zero information regarding 4th Armoured Brigade’s infantry or artillery units, which aren’t mentioned at all in the narrative, so I haven’t included them.
During Sümmermann’s attacks on Sidi Rezegh, I’m not entirely certain on the battalion positions. One source mentioned a “engineer battalion” which I mentioned in the video, but does specify. There is no engineer (pioneer) battalion of the Afrika Division at this time, so I’m assuming it was 900th Pioneer Battalion. The position of the infantry battalions of both 155th of 361st Regiments are located based on their later positions, but could also be incorrect. Kurowski mentions the 605th Panzerjäger Battalion in there somewhere too, but I couldn’t fit them in and I don’t know exactly where they were located. I also have no idea which battalion number the Italian unit is.
If you enjoyed the video and want to help me make more, please consider supporting me on Patreon. It is my Patreons who make these videos possible! https://www.patreon.com/TIKhistory Again, thank you to my Patreons! YOU ARE AWESOME!
SELECTED SOURCES/BIBLIOGRAPHY
Barnett, C. “The Desert Generals.” Kindle, 2nd Edition.
Becket, I. “Rommel: A Reappraisal.” Pen & Sword Ltd, Kindle, 2013.
Bierman, J. & Smith, C. “Alamein: War Without Hate.” Penguin Books, 2003.
Butler, D. “Field Marshal: The Life and Death of Erwin Rommel.” Casemate Publishers, 2015.
Cappellano, F. “Italian Medium Tanks: 1939–45.” New Vanguard, Kindle.
Ford, K. “Operation Crusader 1941: Rommel in Retreat.” Osprey Publishing, 2010.
Harrison, M. "The Economics of World War II: Six Great Powers in International Comparison." Cambridge University Press, Kindle 2005.
Kitchen, M. “Rommel’s Desert War: Waging World War II in North Africa, 1941-1943.” Cambridge University Press, 2009.
Kurowski, F. “Das Afrika Korps: Erwin Rommel and the Germans in Africa, 1941-43.” Stackpole Books, 2010.
Macintyre, B. "SAS: Rogue Heroes." Penguin Random House, Kindle 2016.
Mellenthin, F. "Panzer Battles." Spellmount, 2013.
Mitcham, S. Hitler’s Legions: German Army Order of Battle, World War II. Leo Cooper, 1985.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume One: 1st-290th Infantry Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Two: 291st-999th Infantry Divisions, Named Infantry Divisions, and Special Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Three: Panzer, Panzer Grenadier, and Waffen SS Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “Rommel’s Desert War: The Life and Death of the Afrika Korps.” Stackpole Books, Kindle, 2007.
Mortimer, G. "Kill Rommel! Operation Flipper 1941." Osprey Publishing, Kindle 2014.
Nafziger, G. The Afrika Korps: An Organizational History 1941-1943. 1997.
Nash, N. “Strafer Desert General: The Life and Killing of Lieutenant General WHE Gott.” Pen and Sword Books Ltd, Kindle Edition, 2013.
Pitt, B. “The Crucible of War: Auchinleck’s Command.” The Definitive History of the Desert War. Cassell & Co, 2001.
Playfair, I. The Mediterranean and Middle East, Volume II, The Germans come to the Help of their Ally [1941]. The Naval & Military Press LTD, 1956.
Playfair, I. The Mediterranean and Middle East, Volume III, British Fortunes reach their Lowest Ebb [September 1941 to September 1942]. The Naval & Military Press LTD 1960. Ed. 2004.
Rees, L. “The Holocaust: A New History.” Penguin Books, 2017. (yes)
Smart, N. “Biographical Dictionary of British Generals of the Second World War.” Kindle.
Zapotoczny, W. "The Italian Army In North Africa: A Poor Fighting Force or Doomed by Circumstance." Fonthill Media Limited, 2018.
Jim, H. “Axis Forces in Libya (September, 1941).” FEBRUARY 17, 2010. http://www.comandosupremo.com/Libya1941.html
Moore, G. “Operation Crusader” (Order of Battle) http://gregpanzerblitz.com/Crusader.htm
German generals in Operation Crusader https://rommelsriposte.com/2009/02/03/i-have-a-son-in-russia/
300th Oasis Battalion https://rommelsriposte.com/2010/07/28/oasen-bataillon-z-b-v-300/
British and German Armour Piercing Rounds Penetration Statistics https://www.wwiivehicles.com/
Full list of all my WW2 and related books can be found here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
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Since you've said this twice, I will also reply twice to you. You are incorrect. As I said in the video more than half of the Red Army was in the Far East or was positioned internally, at least up until mid-November 1942. And while most of its army was in the east, the Germans did have sizable numbers in the west. Also, Germany wasn't operating alone. It had many allies itself - e.g. Finland, Romania, Hungary, Croatia... even one division from Spain. It was one alliance vs another, and the Soviets did defeat that alliance, almost by itself (yes, with a crucial contribution from the other powers, but it paid out the most in blood).
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@Vingul "Germany decoupling themselves from the international financial system did a massive amount of good to their economy, to the extent that it’s been called an «economic miracle», not without good reason. Unemployment dropped sharply, etc etc."
You do realise that this is the old narrative that's been debunked? Not by myself, but by other historians. Richard Overy has a book on this subject, and the "economic miracle" didn't happen. Yes unemployment went down because that was the central idea of the policies, but the distortions it created in the economy were huge. Götz Aly explains in "Hitler's Beneficiaries" that Hitler had to invade Austria, Czechoslovakia and Poland when he did, and if he had delayed, the economy would have collapsed. Then we have all the shotrtages... Honestly, if you haven't seen my video on "The Paradox of Germany’s WW2 COAL Problem" https://youtu.be/O3JaxXK25qo or the numerous other videos I've made on the German economy, you really should, because I've addressed this numerous times.
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A reminder: this video series is bi-weekly, but I do publish videos every Monday at 5pm GMT (double check for British Summer Time) so be sure to check back on Mondays!
There wasn’t much room on Saaremaa to place all the units on the landmass, but you get the idea. The exact positions of the Soviet units on Saaremaa is also mostly guess-work, due mainly to the absence of decent maps or descriptions of the fighting there. I’m confident that German unit positions in Courland itself are more or less correct, although there are some contradictions, and units tend to just zip around the front with little or no explanation.
Many German divisions were compacted into a small area, which helped the defence, but hinders my ability to show you where they all are, since I’m having to jam them all together in one small area. Here’s a link to a map that may help you http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/Korps/Karte/I1144.jpg
The fighting is degenerating into tactical-level skirmishes and stalemates. This is bad because the sources I have don’t talk about the tactical-level fighting, and are from the divisional level up, which prevents me from showing you the ins and outs of the battles. So as a bit of a warning, the upcoming videos on the battles in Courland may be more vague, and the combat lines may not change much. Therefore the focus is going to shift to figuring out who was the blame for not withdrawing Army Group North from Courland.
Bibliography
Anderson, T. “The History of the Panzerwaffe. Volume 2: 1942-45.” Osprey Publishing, 2017.
Battistelli, P. "Panzer Divisions 1944–45." Ospery Publishing, Kindle.
Byrd, R. "Once I Had a Comrade: Karl Roth and the Combat History of the 36th Panzer Regiment 1939-45." Helion & Company, Kindle 2006.
Buttar, P. "Between Giants: The Battle for the Baltics in World War II." Ospery Publishing, 2013.
Citino, R. “The Wehrmacht's Last Stand: The German Campaigns of 1944-1945.” University of Kansas, 2017.
Dönitz, K. "Memoirs: Ten Years and Twenty Days." Frontline Books, Kindle 2012.
Glantz, D. “Colossus Reborn: The Red Army at War, 1941-1943.” University Press of Kansas, 2005.
Glantz, D. “When Titan’s Clashed.” University Press of Kansas, 2015.
Guderian, H. “Panzer Leader.” Penguin Books, 2000.
Harrison, M. "The Economics of World War II: Six Great Powers in International Comparison." Cambridge University Press, 2000.
Haupt, W. "Army Group North: The Wehrmacht in Russia 1941-1945." Schiffer Publishing Ltd, 1997.
Heiber, H. Glantz, D. “Hitler and his Generals. Military Conferences 1942-1945.” Enigma Books, 2004.
Hillblad, T. "Twilight of the Gods: A Swedish Volunteer in the 11th SS Panzergrenadier Division "Nordland" on the Eastern Front." Stackpole Books, Kindle 2009.
Hitler, A. "Mein Kampf." Jaico Publishing House, 2017.
Hitler, A. "Zweites Buch (Secret Book): Adolf Hitler's Sequel to Mein Kampf." Jaico Publishing House, 2017.
Hoppe, H. “A Theory of Socialism and Capitalism.” Kindle.
Hunt, V. “Blood in the Forest: The End of the Second World War in the Courland Pocket.” Helion & Company Limited, 2017.
Kurowski, F. "Bridgehead Kurland: The Six Epic Battles of Heeresgruppe Kurland." Fedorowicz Publishing, 2002.
Larsson, L. "Hitler's Swedes: A History of the Swedish Volunteers of the Waffen-SS." Helion & Company, Kindle 2015.
Lunde, H. “Hitler’s Wave-Breaker Concept: An Analysis of the German End Game in the Baltic.” Casemate Publishers, 2013.
Mawdsley, E. “Thunder in the East: The Nazi-Soviet War 1941-1945.” Second Edition, Kindle, University of Oxford.
Megargee, G. "Inside Hitler's High Command." University Press of Kansas, 2000.
Michaelis, Rolf. "The 11th SS-Freiwilligen-Panzer-Grenadier-Division "Nordland"." Schiffer Publishing, 2008.
Mitcham, S. “Hitler’s Legions: German Army Order of Battle World War II.” Redwood Burn Limited, 1985.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume One: 1st-290th Infantry Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Two: 291st-999th Infantry Divisions, Named Infantry Divisions, and Special Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Three: Panzer, Panzer Grenadier, and Waffen SS Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Moorhouse, R. "The Devil's Alliance: Hitler's Pact with Stalin, 1939-1941." Random House Group, Ebook (Google Play) 2014.
Muravchik, J. “Heaven on Earth: The Rise and Fall of Socialism.” Encounter Books, Kindle.
Newman, M. “Socialism: A Very Short Introduction.” Kindle.
Newton, S. “Retreat from Leningrad: Army Group North 1944/1945.” Schiffer Military History, 1995.
Niepold, G. “Panzer-Operationen Doppelkopf und Cäsar: Sommer ‘44.” Mittler & Sohn, 1987.
Perrett, B. "Panzerkampfwagen IV Medium Tank 1936-45." Osprey Publishing, 2007.
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Snyder, T. "Blood Lands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin." Vintage, 2011.
Számvéber, N. “Illustrated History of the Sturmgeschütz-Abteilung 202.” PeKo Publishing Kft, Kindle 2016.
Tieke, W. "Tragedy of the Faithful: A History of the III. (germanishes) SS-Panzer-Korps." Fedorowicz Publishing Inc, 2001.
Wilbeck, C. "Sledgehammers: Strengths and Flaws of Tiger Tank Battalions in World War II." Aberjona Press, Kindle 2015.
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Inflation in Germany
https://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Inflation_in_Nazi_Germany
I’ve also used some maps and information from http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/
A full list of all my WW2 and related books can be found here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
Thanks for watching! Bye for now!
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This is why I'm not backing down on this issue. By being a state-controlled racist-socialist entity, events like the Holocaust can absolutely be explained. A racist free-market-capitalist entity actually gives the Holocaust deniers more room to deny the event, because they can say "there's no way they systematically murdered this many Jews". Under the traditional 'let's see National Socialism as a capitalist regime' mentality, you can't explain it because the markets wouldn't create it, and no individual human being could possible murder people like that. So in this scenario, the denier-argument reasoning sparks as true (at least, to those who haven't done research).
But if you turn around and say, actually it does make sense because these guys weren't just racists in a free-market society, but they believed in different collective groups, and that (in this outlook) individual human beings have no meaning (since we're all a collective of groups), so murdering groups is alright. And then you realise that these National Socialists didn't think for themselves because they were part of a collective group. So if they're ordered to kill, they will! Because who are they to question anything? Why would they go against their Aryan group? And if they don't view other human beings as individuals but as ants to be crushed, or just pure numbers, or even barcodes... then it's much easier to see why, in a state controlled collectivist society, why systematic industrial murder is actually possible. At that point, it becomes much harder to deny the events in question.
Now, onto what socialism was by people’s definitions in the comments. The ‘socialism’ they’re championing never actually happened in practice. They talk about ‘real’ socialism, often saying that “well, ‘real’ socialism never happened”. But looking back on history, the theory of socialism as Marx said it was never happened, but numerous attempts to create socialism did occur. To say they’re not socialism is not fair to history.
The Soviet Union wasn’t a ‘socialist revolution’. The Bolshevik Party seized the means of production; the workers didn’t. They didn’t solve class conflict - the Party or the state employees became the new upper classes of society - and there was definitely not equality. They also introduced the New Economic Plan (limited capitalism), but also, even when they attempted to ‘socialize’ the people in the collectivisation of the 1930s (inside the famine that was a direct consequence of the state ‘taxing’ the produce off the peasants in the fields) the state was the controller of the economy and society, not the workers. You also have a slave economy in the Gulag system, which is similar in some ways to the forced labour camps and the concentration camps of National Socialist Germany, which clearly indicates that the equality and liberty that Marx was aiming for wasn’t a reality. So, by the definition used by everyone else ‘in theory’, the Soviet Union wasn’t socialist.
When you consider that Venezuela was socialist - again people say this wasn’t ‘real’ socialism. But it existed. When you consider the socialist policies of the Labour Party in Britain, the Scandinavian countries, Western Europe, Cambodia, China and so on, you can certainly make the case that these weren’t ‘real’ socialist countries or policies. However they existed, and they tried to implement the ‘theory’ of socialism, and they instead created a version of socialism that is very much real in history. You can say these weren’t ‘real’ socialisms, and that’s great for a political debate, but from a historical debate, these were real and they were socialisms - by the historical viewpoint of history. And, since I’m looking at history not theory, I’m interested in defining socialism as what actually happened, not discussing the theory of it.
Hitler’s version of socialism isn’t Marxist Socialism, and I’m not saying it is, but it is (by historical standards) a version of socialism. Hitler’s socialism variant is: directly influenced by what Marx said; he changes this to come to a different conclusion; he implements it in history; it is not capitalism; it shares many of the same traits as the other ‘socialisms’ that existed in history; and it supports the Holocaust and other National Socialist policies that, on the surface, don’t make much sense because they’re being viewed from the ‘they’re capitalist’ viewpoint.
Is the National Socialist Party left-wing or right-wing? That’s up to you to decide. I would suggested they’re a mix between the two sides, and I avoided creating a different political spectrum in the videos for this reason (although I split it up into different categories). Did National Socialism ‘work’? Not really. As the two quotes I quoted from Tooze show, the economy by 1934 was in the gutter, which is another reason war was on the cards because they had to conquer more territory and resources, and enslave a lot of people, in order to make it work.
Now, what does this mean for ‘real’ socialism (Marxist Socialism)? Well, this is absolutely not an attack on socialism. Nothing I have said has been against socialism in general. Just because Hitler was a socialist, doesn’t make all socialism bad. That would be like saying “Hitler was a politician, therefore all politicians are bad”, which is clearly not a logical way of looking at it. And I’m absolutely not implying that socialism doesn’t ‘work’, by bringing up the ‘failed’ socialisms of the 20th Century. Looking to the future, there’s no reason to think that because socialism didn’t work so great in the 20th Century that it couldn’t work in the future.
Yes, some of what I said in the videos was wrong - the liberalism/conservatism bit in the 19th Century in the second video were flipped around (it’s been over a decade since I last studied that stuff and the video was off the cuff). I also mentioned Manstein as being a star general. This is true, but he was actually the exception, and was really the only “von” (aristocrat) that Hitler trusted (until 1944, when he was dismissed). Generals like Model and Zeitzler were favoured over the Prussian officers because these represented the new generation of ‘socialists’ that had worked their way up the ranks. But again, that was in the quick off-the cuff response video. Overall, the points I raised about National Socialism being a version of socialism still stand.
And, to those who say that “I’m not listening” or have gone out of their way to suggest that I shouldn’t cover politics again because I’m “ignorant” (which is a polite word compared to what some have used), you’re not being fair. When covering WW2, battles and the Holocaust etc, it’s impossible to stay out of politics, economics and society, since they’re all linked. Plus, I have studied this stuff, and will continue to do so. I’ve now re-read Das Kapital (after a decade) and it hasn’t changed my view on all this at all.
(Selected) Bibliography
Notice the word “selective”. I studied this in college and university, and therefore don’t have access to all the books I used back then. The books listen below are directly in reference to the above topic, and below them is a link to the list of books I have on WW2 and the surrounding period.
Brown, A. "How 'socialist' was National Socialism?" Kindle, 2015.
Geyer, M. & Fitzpatrick, S. "Beyond Totalitarianism: Stalinism and Nazism Compared." Cambridge University Press, Kindle 2009.
Grand, A. "Italian Fascism: It's Origins and & Development." University of Nebraska Press, 2000.
Evans, R. “In Defence of History.” Granta Books, Kindle.
Hitler, A. "Mein Kampf." Jaico Publishing House, 2017.
Hobsbawm, E. "The Age of Extremes: 1914-1991." Abacus, 1995.
Kershaw, I. “Stalinism and Nazism: Dictatorships in Comparison.” Cambridge University Press, Kindle 2003.
Tooze, A. “Wages of Destruction: The Making & Breaking of The Nazi Economy.” Penguin Books, 2007.
For a complete list of books I own on WW2 and similar, see this link - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
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Explaining why autarky doesn't work is a bit complex because there's a few different factors to it. In the first instance, it should be obvious why implementing autarky when you don't have the resources to actually implement it won't work. If you don't have access to oil (or enough of it), implementing autarky won't magically make oil appear. Hitler implemented autarky when Germany didn't have sufficient access to raw materials, and thus imploded his economy for that reason.
But that wasn't the only reason. Let's say you owned a house and decided to implement autarky - so you don't trade with anyone outside your own house. This would be a disaster. Even if you had a garden and were able to grow food, would you be able to grow enough? You'd be spending all day growing food rather than creating something else, and the land might not be good enough for you to grow food anyway. Do you produce enough fertilizer? Would you have access to medicine, energy, water etc.?
Clearly, implementing autarky on such a small scale is silly, but it highlights the problems with autarky. In a free market, you can trade with other people. So let's say your land isn't great for farming, but is great for growing a load of trees that you can chop down. No worries, you can go to a farmer and trade your wood for food. And obviously, you have an incentive to produce as much wood as possible to maximize the amount of food and other resources you need, and the land gets used optimally because you're not trying to grow food on land that's poor for growing food, but is good for growing trees.
So the benefits of trading are that everyone can only focus (specialization) on producing goods that their local area is good at producing, and not produce goods that the land or climate etc aren't good at producing. Then they can trade with others who optimally produce goods that they need, thus making a very specialized but also efficient economy.
If we scale this up to a national level, Britain might be good at producing wool, and South Africa might be good at producing diamonds. It makes sense for Britain to optimize its wool production and trade with South Africa, since Britain doesn't have access to diamonds and South Africa's weather isn't suitable for sheep. The result is that both countries and their consumers have access to all the goods and everyone benefit as a result.
Autarky strips these benefits away and you're left with a huge disaster. Mises explains perfectly why talk of Autarky in post-WW1 Germany was silly here https://mises.org/library/autarky-and-stockpiling
There are more factors here, but I think this comment is getting too long. Hope this helps.
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Notes Timestamps are in the description!
Another reminder that If you want to read more on this battle, I highly recommend Pitt’s “The Crucible of War: Auchinleck’s Command. The Definitive History of the Desert War.” Pitt’s series is definitely the best volume to pick up out of all the books, although I’d obviously suggest you read a few of the others too. But if you can only pick up one, Pitt’s series is the the one I recommend.
I want to answer the question that several of you keep asking - where was the RAF during all of this? Well, according to the sources, throughout Totensonntag, the RAF did dominate the sky. The Germans could do little more than take on stragglers and lone planes. Despite this, British medium bombers weren’t so effective during the main battles, since they couldn’t tell friend from foe. They picked on vehicles on the fringes, and tried to help as best they could. In fact, many of the RAF aircraft were kept on call to give support for the British Army. The problem was that the call simply didn’t come that often. It seemed that the British combined arms doctrine had neglected to include air support. The experience learnt during and after Crusader was that there had to be a better system of communication between the army and the air force. Although, to be fair, this was an exceptionally complicated battle, so the RAF would have struggled regardless. But, definitely food for thought.
At 1300 hours on Totensonntag, 2/3rds of the Ariete Division went north with Crüwell’s force. This was a Battlegroup like unit under Barlotta’s deputy commander - General Di Nisio (couldn’t find a picture of him). It consisted of four companies of M13/40 tanks 80 in total, “a battalion of 8 Bersaglieri Regiment, a battalion of 65mm guns mounted on trucks [Milmart Battalion?], and two batteries of artillery” - according to Iron Hulls. But, since this description is vague, I’ve decided to just create a battlegroup-unit to represent this force.
Iron Hulls mentions that the Germans tried to blame the Italians for the Ariete Division falling behind during their advance towards 5th South African Brigade, thus pinning the blame for their losses on the Italians. However, Iron Hulls points out that there was a confusion over the plans, and that Crüwell changed the plans last minute. Iron Hulls concludes by saying the blame ultimately rests with Crüwell. Given that the British and German literature also supports this conclusion, it seems unreasonable to blame the Italians for the issues with Crüwell’s tactics, and that German losses cannot be blamed on the Italians.
The positions of 5th South African Brigade’s battalions is another educated guess. I’m fairly certain 3rd Transvaal Scottish Battalion was north of Armstrong’s HQ because Cramer’s panzers rolled into them after taking Armstrong’s HQ unit. 1st and 2nd Battalions could be swapped around though. That said, there are a few maps online that show them in these positions so I don’t think I’m far off the mark.
If you enjoyed the video and want to help me make more, please consider supporting me on Patreon. It is my Patreons who make these videos possible! https://www.patreon.com/TIKhistory Again, thank you to my Patreons! YOU ARE AWESOME!
SELECTED SOURCES/BIBLIOGRAPHY
Barnett, C. “The Desert Generals.” Kindle, 2nd Edition.
Becket, I. “Rommel: A Reappraisal.” Pen & Sword Ltd, Kindle, 2013.
Bierman, J. & Smith, C. “Alamein: War Without Hate.” Penguin Books, 2003.
Butler, D. “Field Marshal: The Life and Death of Erwin Rommel.” Casemate Publishers, 2015.
Cappellano, F. “Italian Medium Tanks: 1939–45.” New Vanguard, Kindle.
Ford, K. “Operation Crusader 1941: Rommel in Retreat.” Osprey Publishing, 2010.
Harrison, M. "The Economics of World War II: Six Great Powers in International Comparison." Cambridge University Press, Kindle 2005.
Kitchen, M. “Rommel’s Desert War: Waging World War II in North Africa, 1941-1943.” Cambridge University Press, 2009.
Kurowski, F. “Das Afrika Korps: Erwin Rommel and the Germans in Africa, 1941-43.” Stackpole Books, 2010.
Macintyre, B. "SAS: Rogue Heroes." Penguin Random House, Kindle 2016.
Mellenthin, F. "Panzer Battles." Spellmount, 2013.
Mitcham, S. Hitler’s Legions: German Army Order of Battle, World War II. Leo Cooper, 1985.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume One: 1st-290th Infantry Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Two: 291st-999th Infantry Divisions, Named Infantry Divisions, and Special Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Three: Panzer, Panzer Grenadier, and Waffen SS Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “Rommel’s Desert War: The Life and Death of the Afrika Korps.” Stackpole Books, Kindle, 2007.
Mortimer, G. "Kill Rommel! Operation Flipper 1941." Osprey Publishing, Kindle 2014.
Nafziger, G. The Afrika Korps: An Organizational History 1941-1943. 1997.
Nash, N. “Strafer Desert General: The Life and Killing of Lieutenant General WHE Gott.” Pen and Sword Books Ltd, Kindle Edition, 2013.
Pitt, B. “The Crucible of War: Auchinleck’s Command. The Definitive History of the Desert War.” Cassell & Co, 2001.
Playfair, I. The Mediterranean and Middle East, Volume II, The Germans come to the Help of their Ally [1941]. The Naval & Military Press LTD, 1956.
Playfair, I. The Mediterranean and Middle East, Volume III, British Fortunes reach their Lowest Ebb [September 1941 to September 1942]. The Naval & Military Press LTD 1960. Ed. 2004.
Rees, L. “The Holocaust: A New History.” Penguin Books, 2017. (yes)
Smart, N. “Biographical Dictionary of British Generals of the Second World War.” Kindle.
Stewart, A.”The Early Battles of Eighth Army: ‘Crusader’ to the Alamein Line 1941-1942.” Lee Cooper Books, 2002.
Zapotoczny, W. "The Italian Army In North Africa: A Poor Fighting Force or Doomed by Circumstance." Fonthill Media Limited, 2018.
Jim, H. “Axis Forces in Libya (September, 1941).” FEBRUARY 17, 2010. http://www.comandosupremo.com/Libya1941.html
Moore, G. “Operation Crusader” (Order of Battle) http://gregpanzerblitz.com/Crusader.htm
German generals in Operation Crusader https://rommelsriposte.com/2009/02/03/i-have-a-son-in-russia/
300th Oasis Battalion https://rommelsriposte.com/2010/07/28/oasen-bataillon-z-b-v-300/
British and German Armour Piercing Rounds Penetration Statistics https://www.wwiivehicles.com/
Tobruk Breakout Positions. “The Crusader Project.” 7th September 2014. https://rommelsriposte.com/2014/09/07/making-sense-of-the-tobruk-breakout/
Maughan, B. & Gage, C. “Australia in the War of 1939–1945: Series One: Army
Volume 3 Tobruk and El Alamein.” Chapter 10, 2016. http://tothosewhoserved.org/aus/army/ausarm03/chapter10.html
Full list of all my WW2 and related books can be found here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
Thanks for watching!
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“This, of course, leads to the third reason that German commanders cited to explain their defeat: the idea that the Wehrmacht was simply overwhelmed by hordes of robotic opponents. Such an image appealed to both the German veterans and their postwar American allies, who hoped, like the Germans, to use superior training, tactics, and motivation to overcome a larger foe. Again, however, this is only a half-truth. Germany knew from the moment it attacked in 1941 that it was outnumbered two to one, but numerical ratios at first appeared unimportant given the German tactical and operational advantages. The enormous losses that the surprised Red Army absorbed only confirmed the Germans’ belief in their own racial and tactical superiority. The defeats of 1941-1942 reinforced the stereotype of the inflexible peasant soldier who displayed no initiative, perhaps because the Germans were unaware of the penalties that initiative often provoked.
“As the war dragged on, the Red Army became increasingly proficient in planning and executing its own complex form of mechanized warfare, while the level of training among German troops declined quickly in the face of heavy casualties. Those German officers who made their names in the glory days of 1941-1942 often failed to recognize this shift in the relative training and ability of the opposing armies. Indeed, their contempt for their supposedly primitive foe only made them more vulnerable to the maskirovka efforts of 1944, such as the Soviet deception efforts at Korsun’-Shevchenkovskii and prior to Operation Bagration. More than one of the “hordes” that defeated Germany were populated by phantoms.”
Glantz When Titan’s Clashed P355-356
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NOTES, LINKS and SOURCES
Hey all! I want to make everyone aware of my plans going forward. My aim is to get Operation Crusader out as soon as possible, then (with only minor interruptions) go back to the Eastern Front until Stalingrad is out. So those of you waiting for more Eastern Front history, don’t worry, we will be going back pretty soon.
Frustratingly, I interrupted the video to announce the issue with the camera focus. Not sure how, but it progressively gets more out of focus as the video goes on, even though I didn’t touch the settings or move the camera. I am disappointed I couldn’t go back and reshoot, but my New Years Resolution ( https://youtu.be/YHvY9jOR0tU ) was to do a video every week, and I’m not failing that just because of a out-of-focus camera. Oh well, lesson learnt. For anyone curious, I’m using a Canon PowerShot SX700 HS camera to shoot these videos.
For those of you complaining about the length of my videos. Next week’s video will be a short ~7 minute video about “Revisionist Historians”, so look forward to that.
Some of the Italian units in the video are still shown as being motorized, even though technically they’re not. I’m not sure whether to change the symbols or not, which is why I’ve left them as motorized.
I also covered a couple maps at the end (poor editing). Sorry about that.
LINKS
Please consider supporting me on Patreon so I can smash my camera to pieces and get a new one… (joke, it’s actually a pretty good camera) https://www.patreon.com/TIKhistory
The British Order of Battle for Operation Crusader https://youtu.be/QCNDEoRDp6I
For an explanation on what “Kampfgruppen” are https://youtu.be/zKWczZkQ130
My other videos in the North African Campaign https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNSNgGzaledivgjjFkhXw9y5RRvr7kNoe
SELECTED SOURCES/BIBLIOGRAPHY
Barnett, C. “The Desert Generals.” Kindle, 2nd Edition.
Becket, I. “Rommel: A Reappraisal.” Pen & Sword Ltd, Kindle, 2013.
Bierman, J. & Smith, C. “Alamain: War Without Hate.” Penguin Books, 2003.
Butler, D. “Field Marshal: The Life and Death of Erwin Rommel.” Casemate Publishers, 2015.
Ford, K. “Operation Crusader 1941: Rommel in Retreat.” Osprey Publishing, 2010.
Kurowski, F. “Das Afrika Korps: Erwin Rommel and the Germans in Africa, 1941-43.” Stackpole Books, 2010.
Mitcham, S. Hitler’s Legions: German Army Order of Battle, World War II. Leo Cooper, 1985.
Mitcham, S. “Rommel’s Desert War: The Life and Death of the Afrika Korps.” Stackpole Books, Kindle, 2007.
Nafziger, G. The Afrika Korps: An Organizational History 1941-1943. 1997.
Nash, N. “Strafer Desert General: The Life and Killing of Lieutenant General WHE Gott.” Pen and Sword Books Ltd, Kindle Edition, 2013.
Pitt, B. “The Crucible of War: Auchinleck’s Command.” The Definitive History of the Desert War. Cassell & Co, 2001.
Playfair, I. The Mediterranean and Middle East, Volume II, The Germans come to the Help of their Ally [1941]. The Naval & Military Press LTD, 1956.
Playfair, I. The Mediterranean and Middle East, Volume III, British Fortunes reach their Lowest Ebb [September 1941 to September 1942]. The Naval & Military Press LTD 1960. Ed. 2004.
Jim, H. “Axis Forces in Libya (September, 1941).” FEBRUARY 17, 2010. http://www.comandosupremo.com/Libya1941.html
Moore, G. “Operation Crusader” (Order of Battle) http://gregpanzerblitz.com/Crusader.htm
German generals in Operation Crusader https://rommelsriposte.com/2009/02/03/i-have-a-son-in-russia/
300th Oasis Battalion https://rommelsriposte.com/2010/07/28/oasen-bataillon-z-b-v-300/
Thanks for watching!
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"I think that minimum wages are necessary Becouse we can't thrust employers to invest the money that they obtain by reducing wages"
That's not how that works. As I explained, wages go down during a recession, but purchasing power goes up. Secondly, minimum wage actually hurts the workers, as you can see here https://youtu.be/0fsVI3EmUnQ
"Employers in time of crisis would try to save as much money as possible in case they must close their activity"
Yes, and saving is what allows growth. Think about it. If you have no money, how do you start a business? If you have a million dollars/pounds/euros or whatever, then it'll be easier to start a business. If employers are cutting back, then they're saving - which they then can use to start up businesses or invest in other businesses which grown an economy. But as I said in the video, the 'crisis' you're referring to is the recession which was caused by government manipulation. If that didn't happen, you wouldn't have everything in a crisis at the same time.
"Also the idea that if an employee isn't satisfied with is pay, he should go and search a new job, is based on the assumption that there is a job that would give him a better pay witch in most countries isn't a reality."
Or he could set up his own business, create wealth for his community, and receive the benefits of doing that. The problem is that he doesn't realize that he has the ability to create wealth. He thinks he must work for someone else. That's because there's a difference between education and schooling. He was schooled, not educated. He doesn't know how to reach his own potential.
"Also are you sure that the gold standard is a solid standard Becouse gold can be found, lost etc in this way changing his value."
There's a very small amount of inflation with gold as a result of more being dug out of the ground. The difference is that gold can be used for things other than currency, which counteracts it, and the inflation is ridiculously low. That's why there are sometimes periods of deflation with gold.
"I think that the government should set some limitations in the field of economy or else things would go like in Africa, rich of natural resources, but with governments to weak or corrupt to make their citizens benefit from them."
Africa is poor because their governments have control over their citizens. If they freed up their own economy, they'd boom, just like Europe did when they abolished serfdom and slavery in the Classical Liberal era.
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@romanempire4495 "No, it isn’t that. It’s a battle of tribes vs tribes, and tribes can be national, ideological, or anything, but there is no battle between the individual and the collective."
Yes, there absolutely IS a battle between the individual and the collective. The individual is being crushed by the collective in multiple ways, including taxation, regulation, inflation, price controls, wage controls, the stripping of individual rights, two-tier policing and law systems, ideological and philosophical assault... the list goes on.
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"For 75+% of people, there is no such thing as the ‘self’. For most, there is only the tribe."
1. So you admit that there is an attack on the individual.
2. The fact that 75% of the people don't have a 'self' might explain why all those things I listed above are happening. It may also explain why anxiety, depression, poverty, hopelessness, criminality, and numerous other social issues are occurring right now. If you have no concept of self, you have no aim in life, no purpose, nothing to strive or work for. Why help yourself out of a bad situation if you don't have a self? When nothing is in your control, it's no wonder you're paralysed with fear. So the problem with our society IS because of the philosophical and ideological assualt upon the individual's concept of 'self' that's been going on for millennia.
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Notes
Timestamps are in the description!
Not sure why it happened, but at roughly 3 minutes in, the map goes dark. It fixes itself after a few seconds though, luckily.
I would have liked to have gone into more detail regarding Sommernachtstraum, but sadly, not a lot has been written on it. At the time of publication, there currently isn’t even a Wikipedia page in English for Sommernachtstraum! El Hamra is actually a little bit further down than where I showed the unit to be, but I suspect it doesn’t arrive there until the 15th, and the source I used didn’t specify the dates, which is again why more needs to be written on it.
I only showed 3 commandos enter the villa for Operation Flipper, but it was more than that. I’m not entirely sure how many though. If you want to learn more about this raid, I’d recommend the book "Kill Rommel! Operation Flipper 1941" by Gavin Mortimer. I DON’T recommend the Kindle version though, because the maps are too small to read. Get the physical copy if you do get it. I’m also not really going to recommend reading more on the first raid by the SAS (Squatter), since there’s not a lot more to it than what I said. The mission was aborted, so its significance (other than being the first SAS mission) is limited. The Luftwaffe’s impact on Crusader was minimal anyway, not because of the British, but simply because of the weather. Therefore, the failure of the SAS’s mission didn’t really impact Crusader too much anyway.
If you enjoyed the video and want to help me make more, please consider supporting me on Patreon. It is my Patreons who make these videos possible! https://www.patreon.com/TIKhistory Again, thank you to my Patreons! YOU ARE AWESOME!
SELECTED SOURCES/BIBLIOGRAPHY
Barnett, C. “The Desert Generals.” Kindle, 2nd Edition.
Becket, I. “Rommel: A Reappraisal.” Pen & Sword Ltd, Kindle, 2013.
Bierman, J. & Smith, C. “Alamein: War Without Hate.” Penguin Books, 2003.
Butler, D. “Field Marshal: The Life and Death of Erwin Rommel.” Casemate Publishers, 2015.
Cappellano, F. “Italian Medium Tanks: 1939–45.” New Vanguard, Kindle.
Ford, K. “Operation Crusader 1941: Rommel in Retreat.” Osprey Publishing, 2010.
Harrison, M. "The Economics of World War II: Six Great Powers in International Comparison." Cambridge University Press, Kindle 2005.
Kitchen, M. “Rommel’s Desert War: Waging World War II in North Africa, 1941-1943.” Cambridge University Press, 2009.
Kurowski, F. “Das Afrika Korps: Erwin Rommel and the Germans in Africa, 1941-43.” Stackpole Books, 2010.
Macintyre, B. "SAS: Rogue Heroes." Penguin Random House, Kindle 2016.
Mellenthin, F. "Panzer Battles." Spellmount, 2013.
Mitcham, S. Hitler’s Legions: German Army Order of Battle, World War II. Leo Cooper, 1985.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume One: 1st-290th Infantry Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Two: 291st-999th Infantry Divisions, Named Infantry Divisions, and Special Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Three: Panzer, Panzer Grenadier, and Waffen SS Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “Rommel’s Desert War: The Life and Death of the Afrika Korps.” Stackpole Books, Kindle, 2007.
Mortimer, G. "Kill Rommel! Operation Flipper 1941." Osprey Publishing, Kindle 2014.
Nafziger, G. The Afrika Korps: An Organizational History 1941-1943. 1997.
Nash, N. “Strafer Desert General: The Life and Killing of Lieutenant General WHE Gott.” Pen and Sword Books Ltd, Kindle Edition, 2013.
Pitt, B. “The Crucible of War: Auchinleck’s Command.” The Definitive History of the Desert War. Cassell & Co, 2001.
Playfair, I. The Mediterranean and Middle East, Volume II, The Germans come to the Help of their Ally [1941]. The Naval & Military Press LTD, 1956.
Playfair, I. The Mediterranean and Middle East, Volume III, British Fortunes reach their Lowest Ebb [September 1941 to September 1942]. The Naval & Military Press LTD 1960. Ed. 2004.
Rees, L. “The Holocaust: A New History.” Penguin Books, 2017. (yes)
Smart, N. “Biographical Dictionary of British Generals of the Second World War.” Kindle.
Zapotoczny, W. "The Italian Army In North Africa: A Poor Fighting Force or Doomed by Circumstance." Fonthill Media Limited, 2018.
Jim, H. “Axis Forces in Libya (September, 1941).” FEBRUARY 17, 2010. http://www.comandosupremo.com/Libya1941.html
Moore, G. “Operation Crusader” (Order of Battle) http://gregpanzerblitz.com/Crusader.htm
German generals in Operation Crusader https://rommelsriposte.com/2009/02/03/i-have-a-son-in-russia/
300th Oasis Battalion https://rommelsriposte.com/2010/07/28/oasen-bataillon-z-b-v-300/
British and German Armour Piercing Rounds Penetration Statistics https://www.wwiivehicles.com/
Full list of all my WW2 and related books can be found here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
Thanks for watching!
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@erozionzeall6371 "Capitalism requires a massive impoveished underclass to function."
NO IT DOESN'T. I don't know much more I have to scream this from the rooftops. You don't know what capitalism is! Yes, your professors and your books and your family and friends have all said that capitalism is bad for reasons, but you have a warped conception of what it actually is.
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"In my communist mind, the capitalist ideology is absolutely horrendous. Private property is just the next iteration of feudalism and slavery. "
No, that's socailism/communism, not capitalism. Again, you don't know what capitalism is.
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"You have to keep in mind that we leftists are fighting for the entirety of humanity and future."
No, you think you are, but you're actually not. You have been deceived. The capitalists are the ones fighting for humanity and the future. Socialism has tricked you into thinking that you guys are the "progressives", but you're not. You are the regressives. Your heart is in the right place, and what you and I want are the exact same thing, but your policies will send us back into the feudal age, yet you have been deceived into thinking that it's good. It's not good.
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Hey all!
First off, the timestamps -
Timestamps:
Introduction 00:00:00
Strategic picture
British 00:01:00
German 00:02:04
Skorpion 00:02:48
Preparing for Battleaxe
Tiger Convoy 00:05:02
Rommel’s Fuel Crisis 00:11:19
The Forces at Battleaxe
German Forces 00:13:31
British Forces 00:19:23
The British Plan for Battleaxe 00:23:09
German Preparations For Battleaxe 00:27:18
The Battle - Battleaxe
Day 1
Pre-Battle 00:32:09
Tobruk 00:32:37
Halfaya 00:33:06
Capuzzo 00:35:30
Desert Flank 00:38:22
Situation at End of Day 1 00:41:37
Day 2
British Plans for Day 2 00:43:15
German Plans for Day 2 00:44:40
Capuzzo 00:46:59
Desert Flank 00:48:38
Situation at End of Day 2 00:52:23
Day 3
Rommel’s Strike 00:53:18
British Reactions 00:53:53
Endgame 00:56:51
Results of Battleaxe 00:58:00
Reasons for the failure of Battleaxe 00:58:18
Strategic Consequences 01:02:45
Outro 01:05:37
Sources 01:05:42 (Pause the video or you'll miss them)
Patreons 01:05:45
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Second off, the bibliography -
BIBLIOGRAPHY
Books:
Anderson, T. Tanks of the Second World War. Pen & Sword, 2017.
Beevor, A. The Second World War. Phoenix, 2014. (Does Mention Brevity, but no details)
Bierman, J. & Smith, C. Alamein: War Without Hate. Penguin Books Ltd, 2003.
Butler, D. Field Marshal: the Life and Death of Erwin Rommel. Casemate Publishers, 2015.
Dimbleby, J. Destiny in the Desert. The Road to El Alamein - the Battle that Turned the Tide. Profile Books Ltd, 2013.
Hart, L. A History of the Second World War. Pan Books, 2015. Kindle version.
Hart, L. The Rommel Papers. 1953.
Mitcham, S. Hitler’s Legions: German Army Order of Battle, World War II. Leo Cooper, 1985.
Mitcham, S. Rommel’s Desert War: The Life and Death of the Afrika Korps. Stackpole Books, 2007.
Nafziger, G. The Afrika Korps: An Organizational History 1941-1943. 1997.
Neillands, R. Eighth Army, From the Western Desert to the Alps, 1939-1945. John Murray Publishers, 2004.
Nash, N. Strafer Desert General : The Life and Killing of Lieutenant General WHE Gott. Pen and Sword Books Ltd, 2013.
Neillands, R. The Desert Rats, 7th Armoured Division 1940-45. Aurum Press Limited, 2005.
Pitt, B. The Crucible of War: Wavell’s Command. The Definitive History of the Desert War. Cassell & Co, 2001.
Playfair, I. The Mediterranean and Middle East, Volume II, The Germans come to the Help of their Ally [1941]. The Naval & Military Press LTD, 1956.
Raugh, H. Wavell in the Middle East 1939-1941: A Study in Generalship. USA, 2013.
Urban, M. The Tank War: The Men, the Machines and the Long Road to Victory. Hachette Digital, 2013.
Williamson, Gordon. Afrikakorps 1941-43 (Elite). Osprey Publishing, 2009.
Articles:
"Mr. Churchill's Review of the War, June 10." Bulletin of International News 18, no. 13 (1941): 813-19. http://www.jstor.org/stable/25643049.
"Mr. Churchill's Broadcast on the German Attack on Russia." Bulletin of International News 18, no. 13 (1941): 820-21. http://www.jstor.org/stable/25643051.
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Third off, I’ve provided full English captions for this video which will come up if you click the little symbol near bottom right hand corner of the video.
I also want to thank every one of you for watching these videos, as well as for being very patient with me. It takes me months to make these videos (in this case, it took 5 weeks to do the presentation, animation and editing, and more weeks before that to write the script) so a new BATTLESTORM video is definitely not something you’ll see every day… However, I hope the quality of the video will make up for that. Any and all feedback is great, so let me know!
I want to doubly thank my patreons for their support. You lot have already contributed massively to this, and to the future Stalingrad video. I’ve neglected some of the promised videos as a result of concentrating on Battleaxe, so I’ll aim to catch up in the next couple weeks https://www.patreon.com/TIKhistory
And I also I want to thank Simon Baker for helping me with the articles for this video. THANK YOU SIMON!
From a behind-the-scenes perspective, Battleaxe has been a massive success and I learnt a lot of stuff that will shave off weeks (if not months) from the time it’ll take to make Stalingrad. So while I do feel guilty for taking a quick break from Stalingrad, I think it’s been well worth it. I’ll make a video soon discussing this and some of the things I’ve learnt.
And finally, as a bit of an update, the research for BATTLESTORM STALINGRAD is now well over 100,000 words, and it’s nowhere near complete yet. To put this into context, Battleaxe was 10,395 words. As you can imagine, it’s taking a LONG time to make, but they say patience is a virtue or something… I don’t know, but if you stick around it will eventually come out. In the meantime, check out my other Battlestorm Videos if you haven’t done so already (link) https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNSNgGzaledgHIszXQVDreX-ZC1Xejf9Y
Thanks everyone! Hope you enjoy the video :)
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"You keep making ideological explanations. Hitler said that, hitler thought this."
Yes because this is relevant to what National Socialism was. Marxist doctrine was not relevant to National Socialism. I don't know why this is so hard for people to grasp. It's as simple as that.
"Capitalism is a real economic system, socialism is a different and separate economic system, social-democracy are certain government regulations under capitalism to smooth out existing class struggle."
Here we are: your definition of what constitutes socialism does not include democratic socialist countries. The Labour Party in Britain did not get rid of private property. However, they were socialist. Similarly, the National Socialists in Germany did not get rid of private property for the Germans, but they were still socialists. Bismarck introduced socialist policies - these were socialist policies. But not by your definition.
People have defended the Soviet Union (even though they had private property and the capitalist New Economic Policy) because they're willing to make exceptions for that, for some reason - that reason being they're willing to defend the USSR's un-socialism because it fits into their Marxist Socialist ideology. This is the problem: I'm not discussing history with people who are interested in history, I'm discussing history with people who are talking specifically about the ideology of Marxism. This isn't about Marxism - this is about National Socialism and the wider-socialist movement, not Marxism. If I said "Hitler and Marx shared the EXACT SAME ideology" then you have a point. But I've NEVER once said that at all. Socialism is not just Marxism.
"So tik, nazi germany was capitalist and anti-capitalist at the same time?"
It's not capitalist. I've not said it was. You're trying to make out that it is 100% capitalism, but you're not considering the historical reality.
"So nazism is marxism and not marxism at the same time?"
No. It's not Marxism. I'm not trying to say it's Marxism. I am saying it's a form of socialism, that isn't Marxism. We know that 'socialism' as a concept came before Marx - he didn't invent it. So when you say "but Marx said" - it's completely irrelevant.
This isn't capitalism. It isn't Marxist Socialism. It's National Socialism, which is historically a form of socialism, just like the Labour Party in Britain, the socialist parties in every other country in the world, and so on. They may not be "real" socialism to a Marxist, but historically they are still socialism.
"What you are suggesting is to water down definition of socialism as much as anyone has abused that word in his interests or due to his ignorance."
I'm saying what it is historically. THIS is the point. This is a history channel; I view things from a historical perspective. Definitions evolve, and I absolutely do view National Socialism as an evolution of Marxist Socialism, just like Christianity was an evalution from Judaism. To say Christianity is not part of the Abrahamic religions would be to deny the historical reality. Similarly, to say National Socialism wasn't a form of socialism is to deny the historical reality.
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You're right about the perspective thing, and I knew that before publishing. However, to rework it would have meant more delays as I'd have to animate another map and perhaps more action, or even redo the entire audio. This video was already into its 6 month of production, and since everyone was complaining about a lack of videos and I was getting a little impatient, I decided to leave it out. I also left out a historiography for similar reasons. I'm hopeful though that anyone coming across this will already know the significance of Fort Eben Emael... or read your comment and then understand how important it really was.
And the fall of Fort Eben Emael and the attack into Belgium had a bigger impact than just Belgium's chance of survival. Here's the original conclusion to the video that I had to cut -
"The fall of Fort Eben Emael caused panic in Belgium, as well as in France and Britain. Rumours spread of paratroopers falling from the skies dressed as nuns, dropping poisoned sweets for children, and generally caused confusion behind the lines. And whilst none of these rumours were true, what is certain is that the fall of Fort Eben Emael, the bridges nearby and the attack from the Sixth Army convinced the Allied high command that the main German offensive was coming from the Belgian front, just like in 1914. They also believed their countermeasure of sending their armies into Belgium was correct. In the end, they were wrong."
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"That being said, this video sadly doesn't live up to the high standards I have come to expect of your channel."
I didn't do this randomly. This video will lead into my Holocaust, Lend Lease, Holodomor, Nazi and Soviet economy videos that I'm going to make. I had to make this first in order to nail some basic economics down. The backlash received from my NS is S videos has forced me to go back to basics (not for my sake, but for the viewer's sake), that's why I essentially went back to basics here.
"makes it seem like you have a political agenda rather than just trying to inform."
My agenda is to tell the truth, backed by hard facts and evidence. I have the data and evidence to back up my claims. E.g. 28th of February 1933, the Nazis abolished private property, making all the subsequent privatizations meaningless as the paper they were written on. However, some people won't accept this fact even when I drown them in a convergence of evidence to support it. The reason is because they don't accept evidence, because they have their ideology. And this is the tactics of postmodernism. They just want to slander, which is why I'm fighting back in the comments.
So, essentially, I'm committed to fighting against Nazis and Marxists on ideological grounds just to prove that the Holocaust, Holodomor, and numerous other atrocities in or around WW2 (plus the war itself) did actually happen. I'm sorry you don't enjoy these occasional videos, but I'm now fighting against political and ideological pressure to not cover the Holocaust, Holodomor, Lend Lease, the Nazi and Soviet economies etc.
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Thank you very much for laying that all out! I agree with your assessment and explanation, even if I disagree with the Marxist world-view.
As you said, Marx wanted an economic system where the worker was in power, calling that "democracy". But it isn't democracy. Yes, in their mind, the Soviet dictatorship is a democracy, but in the real world it isn't. So what I'm calling out is the Hegelian emotionalism (I refuse to call it "logic") that allows them to lie. In Marx's idea of how the economic super-structure would work, that would be totalitarianism, because the workers being in control of the means of production is totalitarian, and the reason why is that the politics is required to dictate the economics. You cannot get to worker control without the political structure.
So yes, in their mind, they don't see it that way. But in reality, that is how it is. Socialism = totalitarianism.
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There are loads of Socialists who never had a job. Marx barely worked (can't remember but I'm fairly sure he never had a job as well, or just a quick one), and it was Engels that supported him. He begged off his mother, and Engels, and his other friends, yet had a wife and kids to support, as well as a maid, whom he cheated on his wife with and had a kid with. Her's one quote about Marx's notes on Volume 3 of Das Kapital:
“Not only did the notes need to be turned into finished prose, but the statistics were all wrong. For all his work in economics, Marx, it turns out, was as inept with math in general as with his household finances.” - Muravchik, “Heaven on Earth,” Kindle p88.
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@doughboyjr9418 "the solution is a government not made up of american middle managers" -which is why Socialism, National Socialism, Fascism and all the similar derivatives are not the solution, they are more of the same. What we need is less government, not the same or more.
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"very interesting you haven’t expressly spoken against mass immigration in Britain."
Because this is a HISTORY channel, get with the programme. If we didn't have a welfare state, the immigrants wouldn't be coming over here. Again, the problem is all the socialists, third positionists, and benefit scroungers who keep voting for a "safety net" and "muh potholes".
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"The problem isn’t with your own people"
There is no "people". There are only individuals. We are not a group. I do not have "a people", nor are they "my people" or my "own" people. I am not beholden to anyone else. The so-called "British" people are voting for more government just like the "third (world) positionists" are. Their skin-colour is irrelevent to this equation, it's their collectivism that's the problem.
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"There is no bigger issue, population decline pales in comparison to complete ethnic genocide."
Genocide only occurs where the State is strong. The solution is less state, not more.
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"Which is what it would be after every city is majority not white. I bet you’ll be begging for a racial state then, you’ll beg and long for the days of leftist idiots."
I'll be long gone by that point. You think I'd stay in a country so hostile to me that it thinks it's entitled to reach into my pocket and take my hard-earned income? Do you know how guilty I feel knowing that my Patreons support me, for a portion of that to be stolen off me and go to the British government, which then wastes it on it's disgusting racial division policies, or it's playdohs? Honestly, I don't care who's in power - if they're demanding the destruction of me and my property, they don't deserve anything but my contempt.
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"TIK, this is no secret info."
And yet, there are plenty of people strongly disagreeing in the comment section. They don't accept the evidence.
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"I don't get how you are just now catching onto this."
Because there is a lot of conflicting information, plus statements from Hitler saying he's a Christian. And it's one thing to say it's something, and another thing to prove it. With Rudolf Jung expressingly stating it, I thought that would be sufficient evidence with everything else. But no. Apparently, it's not. A lot of people are not convinced.
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"How do you uphold both the Gnostic Idea and the Norse faith?"
Guido von List was a hermeticist who 'discovered' the runes that were later used by the National Socialists, including the Swastika. He was influential over several early proto-Nazis, one of which founded the Thule Society. When List 'discovered' the runes, he was writing in the journal 'Gnosis'. He was also reading various types of mysticism from a wide range of beliefs. So the National Socialist religion is not the same as the old pagan religion, even if it uses the same gods and (similar) symbols. It clearly has a gnostic and hermetic influence.
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NOTES, CORRECTIONS, LINKS and SOURCES - Please Read
I’m near to finishing Battlestorm Operation Crusader, the next in the series I’m doing on the North African / Western Desert Campaign. So, over the next few weeks, I’m going to be concentrating on this battle, and tailoring the videos to suit. Don’t worry, I’ll be working on Stalingrad after this period. But it’s been several months now since my last Battlestorm video (The Bruneval Raid Battlestorm video was in November 2017!) and I’m getting withdrawal symptoms. Therefore Operation Crusader will be done, then back to the Eastern Front.
I’ve not added the “armoured” circle to the armoured car units (except one or two). I’m not sure if they warrant it or not, given the fact that the recon-line and the three circles represent recon cars. I do also plan to go back and change some of the units prior to the main Crusader video because there’s a few issues among them.
At 11:19 I say “like all British armoured fighting vehicles” - but should clarify, that I meant any that had cannon-weapons.
12:40 I’ve noticed Pienaar’s 1st South African Brigade unit has “Brink” as its name rather than “Pienaar”. I had to go back and redo some of the units to make them motorized and accidently put Brink’s name on Pienaar’s unit. I have since corrected this. Sorry about that.
There’s a huge debate about the British use of Jock Columns. I’m planning on creating a video about Jock Columns in the coming weeks, after I get a video out about Kampfgruppen next week.
And there’s a even bigger debate about British armoured warfare doctrine between the interwar period, plus the reasons why it was so inadequate. As it stands, I haven’t decided which reasons were more significant (and if any aren’t true, if any). This is something I will be ironing out for the main Battlestorm Crusader video, although I may also do a separate video on this too because it deserves it. Either way, British armoured warfare doctrine in the early battles of WW2 left a lot to be desired, and resulted in a lopsided British Order of Battle going into Crusader. This is perhaps why Crusader ended the way it did - with the infantry carrying the day.
Links
Please consider supporting me on Patreon https://www.patreon.com/TIKhistory and thank again you to all of you who have pledged your support. You guys are awesome!
The BIG North African Campaign video playlist (including big battles, discussion, and Long Range Desert Group videos) https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNSNgGzaledivgjjFkhXw9y5RRvr7kNoe
The (new) Operation Crusader playlist where I’ll be putting additional videos about or related specifically to Operation Crusader https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNSNgGzaledjvQKDHORAPuJdug2sY4lrL
Battlestorm Somaliland 1940 (for Godwin-Austen’s first battle) https://youtu.be/k_xy7RCm5Ho
Dubno 1941 - the BIGGEST tank battle of the war https://youtu.be/nA2286viUyw
“Soviet "War-Winning" Tanks in 1941?” The Role of Tanks on the Eastern Front WW2 https://youtu.be/DkDiYuWlgV8 (for the discussion on why tanks alone are a bad thing)
Selected Sources / Bibliography
Barnett, C. “The Desert Generals.” Kindle, 2nd Edition.
Ford, K. “Operation Crusader 1941: Rommel in Retreat.” Osprey Publishing, 2010.
Kurowski, F. “Das Afrika Korps: Erwin Rommel and the Germans in Africa, 1941-43.” Stackpole Books, 2010.
Mitcham, S. Hitler’s Legions: German Army Order of Battle, World War II. Leo Cooper, 1985.
Mitcham, S. “Rommel’s Desert War: The Life and Death of the Afrika Korps.” Stackpole Books, Kindle, 2007.
Nafziger, G. The Afrika Korps: An Organizational History 1941-1943. 1997.
Nash, N. “Strafer Desert General: The Life and Killing of Lieutenant General WHE Gott.” Pen and Sword Books Ltd, Kindle Edition, 2013.
Pitt, B. “The Crucible of War: Auchinleck’s Command.” The Definitive History of the Desert War. Cassell & Co, 2001.
Playfair, I. The Mediterranean and Middle East, Volume III, British Fortunes reach their Lowest Ebb [September 1941 to September 1942]. The Naval & Military Press LTD 1960. Ed. 2004.
I did use several internet sources too, including -
The Order of Battle pages from “Operation Crusader” http://gregpanzerblitz.com/Crusader.htm
http://samilitaryhistory.org/vol013ed.html (for the biography of Brigadier Borain)
Thanks for watching!
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You're right that there were many reasons for the failure of this Operation, and it would take too long to list them all here. However, if you were to choose the major/one/critical reason for the failure, which would you chose? For me, it's the failure to take Nijmegen Bridge. That doesn't excuse the poor planning, the British at Arnhem (who really dropped the ball) or that XXX Corps might have been able to race off to Arnhem after Nijmegen Bridge was finally taken. But, for me, it was the biggest factor in the collapse. The 36 hour delay at Nijmegen is inexcusable.
"The resources for MG should have been used to clear the Scheldt but everyone was too blinded by the idea of finishing the war by Christmas, so Antwerp wouldn't be necessary."
This operation was probably not aimed at riding off to Berlin, and probably was in fact about clearing the Scheldt https://youtu.be/f79KgQVL3MM
"Ike or Monty should have overruled the USAAC and RAF and insisted on two drops the first day."
Brereton made that decision.
"Bremerton should have ordered him to stay behind, but Bremerton simply checked out with regard to this battle."
No, Brereton had an active part in the planning of the operation. He just didn't follow the troops into battle like Browning.
"But in the end, if you have to blame one man, it has to be Browning. He was so worried he was going to miss out on the fighting, as he had done so far, that nothing was going to prevent this operation from going forward and him from commanding it. There is evidence he ordered Gavin to concentrate on the Groesbeek Heights as more important than going for the bridge."
That's fine if you want to blame Browning as he made a lot of mistakes, and perhaps made the decision not to take the Nijmegen Bridge on day 1. Blaming the Poles is certainly inexcusable.
"Even if the 82nd had taken the bridge, it is not assured that XXX Corps reaches Arnhem in time."
Possibly. However I do think it would have been easier to fight 10th SS Panzer Division north of Nijmegen than inside a city they'd had two days to fortify.
"They were to be supported by attacks on either flank, but those stalled almost immediately."
This is Montgomery's fault. O'Connor didn't know about the operation until the last minute, which explains why his 8th Corps couldn't keep up. And it's not like O'Connor wasn't a good general. His performance during Operation Compass in 1940-41 was brilliant https://youtu.be/b71kdhj27rk
"The plan was abortive from the start and had almost no chance of success, even if everything went right."
I don't see it like that. At the end of day 1, every bridge except Nijmegen Bridge was taken (Son was blown but the area was taken). Even after a 14 hour delay at Son Bridge, XXX Corps was at Nijmegen on time with a full day to go the last 8 miles to Arnhem to reach it on time. It was then delayed by a critical 36 hours due to the Germans having possession of Nijmegen, which they really shouldn't have had. If the 82nd had gone for the bridge (which they did, but only after delaying for several crucial hours on day 1) they would have taken it before 10th SS Panzer Division even arrived on the scene. Therefore, the plan was only abortive because Gavin and/or Browning messed up at Nijmegen. It had a good chance of success, until the decision was made not to go for Nijmegen bridge.
"So, yes, Gavin should have moved more quickly to secure the Bridge at Nijmegan. But to blame the failure of the whole operation on him is scapegoating."
XXX Corps was blocked at Nijmegen. That's not scapegoating. That's just a fact. Ignoring this critical error and then blaming Montgomery for everything, isn't fair either. Montgomery should bear responsibility for the operation's success or failure, since he was ultimately in charge and that's how "responsibility" works. However, the operation itself failed at the tactical level thanks to the decision not to go for the Nijmegen Bridge on day 1. If you want to blame Gavin, fine. If you want to blame Browning, fine. If you want to blame both, fine. But Montgomery isn't to blame for the tactical failure to take Nijmegen Bridge.
And, just to be clear, I'm not a Montgomery fanboy. I can't wait to dive into his other battles so I can get to grips with the failures he made elsewhere. However, I'm not convinced he was to blame for the failure of Operation Market Garden. Maybe the plan could have been different. Maybe it would have been better if the plan wasn't attempted at all. But even as it was, Market Garden could have worked... had Nijmegen Bridge been taken on day 1. And there's no valid excuse as to why it shouldn't have been.
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I'm glad you're enjoying the series!
"The only way I see those casualty numbers being even somewhat realistic is if the Germans were dug into defensive positions in rough terrain, with the addition of their superiority in air power, local tactics, and materiél."
That's exactly what happened. The Germans were dug in, the Soviets were advancing across open terrain, had little artillery, no air support, and their infantry got separated from their tanks. They also attacked day after day for several days when their troops were exhausted, having started the offensive after several units had been fighting for weeks before, which is why they went nowhere after the first day.
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"You've seen the casualty reports and strength reports of the German units and I haven't, however I believe a casualty ratio of ~10 000 German to ~40 000 Soviet is more realistic."
German casualties were probably as I said - 4,000-ish, maybe slightly higher. Definitely not 10,000 otherwise there wouldn't have been anything left. Soviet casualties are a bit of a guesstimate, however the point is that they did take heavy casualties, and even admitted that they took heavy casualties.
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I'm not sure what you mean by me not providing the context? The context is that people (see comments in this video) are saying that the Germans were superior to the Soviets, in terms of skill, training, fighting prowes, etc. That is the context. I don't know what else you want me to say about that.
And yes, that's the point - it doesn't make sense that the Germans were able to replace their losses, yet we hear that their divisions were understrength. Clearly there's a discrepancy in what the German generals are saying compared to the raw hard facts (in my opinion, I think Halder is the main guy we must blame for this). We know by simply crunching the numbers, that the Germans have the most men they ever had in the east in July of 1943.
In terms of outnumbered - the Germans outnumbered the Soviets on day 1 of the campaign. This is why they do so well in the early stage of the war. The first time the Germans are outnumbered is December 1941. Coincidentally, that's when the German advance stops. Now, what people (again, see comments in this video) are saying is that the Germans were outnumbered from the get-go, and that this proves that they were better soldiers because they were able to defeat the Soviets when they were outnumbered. But the reality is that this is simply not true. The Germans are not able to repeat the successes of 1941... because they no longer outnumber the Soviets. THIS is the point. They only win when they outnumber the Soviets.
What I was saying in this video is this. The Germans do so well in 1941 when they outnumber the Soviets. People don't THINK they're actually outnumbered from the first day of the war. They then assume the Germans had a superior army to the Soviets because how else would they achieve such success in 1941 (when they're outnumbered, even though they're not). I then pointed out that the Germans outnumber the Soviets in 1941 (until December), and that they were ONLY outnumbered by 2 to 1, or 3 to 1, throughout the war. The reason for this is because I wanted to show that - given the current assumption that the Germans were outnumbered from the first day of the war and that they could achieve so much in 1941 because of their "superiority" - why couldn't they repeat the successes of 1941 in the period 1942-1945?
The answer is that they couldn't repeat the successes of 1941 because they no longer outnumbering the Soviets. They no longer had the fuel to fight the maneuver war they wanted to. They no longer had the strategic surprise they had on day 1. They no longer faced an enemy that was in the middle of an unfinished mobilization effort, where they were transitioning their units across the front. They no longer faced an enemy that were unprepared for war.
The Soviets fought hard in 1941-1945. They didn't win because of Lend-Lease, or because of mass hordes of infantry and tanks. Yes, they did have more - but that does not tell the full story. Ultimately, what I'm saying is that the Red Army rifleman was just as capable as the German Schützen. This, in fact, increases the German successes in 1941 even more, because it shows the Germans were able to defeat an equal enemy, while taking very few losses doing so. And it also praises the Germans that they were able to hold out against superior numbers for so long. BUT this truth requires people to accept that the Soviet soldiers were not bad soldiers. That they were comparable to the Germans. And apparently, this is a bitter pill to swollow for most people in this comment section.
The point of this video was to question the assumptions that most people have about the Eastern Front of WW2 - which is exactly what I did. I did not offer explanations, I just showed that these assumptions (given to us by Halder and the German generals) weren't correct.
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"Wouldn't defeating the British lift the blockade of Germany and also give Germany access to "British" oil from the Middle East as part of a peace deal?"
Hitler wasn't interested in lifting the British blockade because he thought that he could get all the land and resources he needed in the East. Plus, a peace treaty with the British wouldn't necessarily mean that Britain gives up the Middle East, or the oil there.
"Surely the simple explanation of the halt would be that Hitler and his generals believed the Luftwaffe could destroy the encircled British Army and sink a good proportion of the Royal Navy in the process? If Hitler and the generals believed the Luftwaffe could destroy the encircled British Army and sink a large chunk of the Royal Navy then the halt order makes perfect sense."
Yes, absolutely. The tactical reasons are part of it. I just think there's also a strategic reason too.
"The whole it was not us who made a mistake, it was not a military decision but a political decision made by Hitler smacks of retrospective reputation polishing."
Hitler is evil and his political, social and economic ideas were ridiculous. I'm not polishing Hitler's reputation. I just don't think he was a "madman" as some believe. Evil yes, mad/evil policies yes, insane no.
"Not the sort of thing Hitler would say is it, but pretending it was out of some altruistic respect for the British Empire sounds just like him. Hitler was never a man to admit errors of judgement, he was in his own eyes an infallible genius."
Absolutely agree. But this doesn't, by itself, undermine that the theory presented.
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Links to other people’s videos that are interesting:
The Irish Marxist Leninist’s “The Nazis Were NOT Socialist - Response to TIK” video. https://youtu.be/vaA_hix9E9k this was good, but fails to understand that the National Socialists weren’t capitalist, and doesn’t grasp that this isn’t Marxist Socialism.
Blitz of the Reich’s “Nazism is not Capitalist nor is it Socialist... it's something else (TIK Video Response)” https://youtu.be/go9lP1vZL8I this was very good. I don’t necessarily agree that it wasn’t socialism, but he makes a very good argument for it being neither capitalism or socialism. Highly recommend his channel.
Hitler and Economics | Thomas E. Woods, Jr. https://youtu.be/17DkMDvKqw0 This is a “conservative” institution talking about the National Socialist economy. Yes, it’s biased (just like all sources), but it makes it clear that this wasn’t capitalism.
There were other response videos too, but these pretty much covered all the points.
Links to interesting articles that claim that National Socialism was not Socialism (which I linked in the original pinned comment, but nobody seemed to see that and thought I wasn’t taking in what other people were saying) -
“Hitler was not a socialist, even if he did stash champagne” https://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/11655230/Hitler-was-not-a-socialist-even-if-he-did-stash-champagne.html A good example as to why you shouldn’t trust the traditional media for your information.
“An entirely Americentric argument, spurred on by certain batty ideologues and infamous websites, claims that Adolf Hitler was not the far-right, anti-communist nationalist that everyone else remembers him to be, but rather an egalitarian socialist.” https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Hitler_and_socialism [This page was last modified on 8 August 2018] Hitler was anti-communist, so not sure where the author of this page got that idea from. But being anti-communist does not make him an anti-socialist.
“Man says Nazis were socialist, gets schooled by history writer” https://www.indy100.com/article/nazi-socialist-right-wing-white-supremacists-history-twitter-mikestuchbery-7900001 Yes, except the history writer in this case thinks fascism and national socialism are the same thing. They are not.
Thanks for watching and reading!
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Okay, society is the state. They are one and the same thing. I would suggest you watch my Public vs Private video which details the definitions using historical sources https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
Ownership and control are two sides of the same coin. If you don't control something, you don't own it. A state that forbids the production or consumption of a certain good is intervening in the market and ultimately controlling the production process. Think about it this way - if you produce 100 widgets, and then decided to lower production to 50, we would say you're in control of the process. And if you decide to produce zero widgets, you're also in control of the production process - it's just that you've switched it off. Therefore, a state that turns off the means of production (via law or decree) is still in control of it, and therefore counts as public/state ownership of the means of production.
And yes, I am defensive over this particular definition debate because I've had thousands of people (socialists) accuse me of just making up definitions or not explaining myself. They're trolling in the comments of my videos, day after day, insulting me and my viewers over this issue, discouraging people from watching my videos and then slandering me, calling me nazi and anti-Semitic and more, purely out of ignorance. Apparently I haven't given any thought to anything I say, and I don't understand "basic English", plus haven't ever "read a book". At one point, a post about how stupid I am ended up on the front page of Reddit.
Well, I'm just sick of it. I don't mind when people have a valid question or are arguing over something I haven't addressed, but I have addressed it. In fact, I addressed this years ago, and have pointed to the Public vs Private video over and over and over and over, in numerous videos and comments. But people won't watch it. They won't watch it, and when they do, they don't actually listen. They let their emotions cloud their thinking, and as a result they completely misunderstand what I'm attempting to say.
So, after years of verbal abuse over this (actual abuse by the way - technically criminal in the UK now, although I'm not so bothered by the insults themselves, more the ignorance of this so-called portion of "humanity"), I have no patience when someone says I've said something on this topic that I actually haven't.
Obviously, in this case, the comment seems to be genuinely asking for clarification, but it looked like so many other comments that weren't written for that reason at all.
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"ČSNS was since 1987 Workers party and social demorcats."
I'm assuming you mean 1897? I explained in the video that they came from the Social Democrat Party. Also, the National Socialists in Germany also believed in socialism and democracy (Hitler's Socialism https://youtu.be/eCkyWBPaTC8 ) (Hitler's Democracy https://youtu.be/_-lznzuPK8I )
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"In 1918 they combined with anarcho communist party and renamend itself to Czech socialist party... In 1926 they became ČSNS again."
They started off as the Národně Socialistická Strana Česká (NSSC) - the Czech National Socialist Party. They then renamed themselves in 1918 to the Czech National Social Party (ČSNS), and in 1919 to the Czech Socialist Party, before renaming themselves back to the Czech National Socialist Party. None of this changes anything because as I always argued, National Socialism was socialism. The fact that they had the nationalist word "Czech" in the name is proof that they remained a nationalist party.
Yes, they may have accepted Communists and Socialists into their ranks just as Hitler's National Socialists did, but that doesn't change the fundamental composition of the party. It was nationalist and socialist, which makes them Nazis.
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"They were always on the left or middle left."
Yes, just like Hitler.
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"Even the nazis banned them in 1938."
Yes, because they weren't German and were in opposition to Hitler's National Socialism. This doesn't disprove that they were Czech nationalist or socialist.
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"The name itself come from combination of reforming socialism, national radicalism and anti Austrian anti militarism."
And as you'll find out in a future video, the origins of German National Socialism had the exact same origins, except being anti-Czech and anti-Hapsburg rather than anti-German-Austrian.
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"Again you are confusing political discourse of central europe of 1890s and 1900s with 1920s."
I don't see how you can claim this. You haven't disproven that the Czech National Socialist Party were nationalist nor socialist.
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@Edax_Royeaux "Um Tik, how does a free market prevent the logistics issue of not having enough trains?"
Lack of trains = high prices = high profits = more investment in that particular business or sector in order to cash-in on the profits.
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"Even if you have price data, you can still have logistical bottlenecks."
But it's costly to have logistical bottlenecks, therefore someone will make a handsome profit if they can figure out a way to overcome those bottlenecks. Also, bottlenecks are usually the result of distortions in the market (government spending/easy money, or giant inefficient corporations, regulations etc.). A free market creates efficient small businesses which profit from being lean, mean and efficient product or services creating machines
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"Switzerland could be as free market as it wanted, that wouldn't have prevented a rubber shortage from occurring."
If there's a shortage of rubber in Switzerland, then rubber makers from other countries will flood their rubber onto the Swiss market to profit from the shortage. A bit like what happened more recently in Texas, where builders (and others) from other states raced to Texas to fix the problems caused by the bad weather.
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"All you've done is point at a problem, but you haven't proved that a free market would have solved the problem as trains don't grow on trees in a free market and private business can use the trains however they want."
I have told you the solution - an unhampered free market is the solution.
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@thedj3319 Thank you for your response, but I disagree. I don't have time to go fully into it right now, but as Rainer Zitemann points out in "Hitler: The Policies of Seduction", and as Hitler makes clear in Mein Kampf and elsewhere, Nazism wanted to abolish class differences by uniting the Germans via the race. So you're saying "In Socialism, the driving force is CLASS, and they seek the abolition of Class." - yes, exactly. Hitler was seeking to do the same thing, abolish class, but the driving force was the RACE, not the CLASS. That's why I describe them as 'Race Socialists', rather than 'Class Socialists' (Marxists).
And you have to realize - Marx introduced the idea of Class into Socialism. But there were other socialisms before Marx. So, Socialism has nothing to do with Class, only Marxist Socialism has anything to do with Class, and I've said this numerous times before now. I just wish people would listen.
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Notes Timestamps are in the description!
Would love to hear your thoughts on Rommel’s Dash to the Wire and whether you think it was the right move or not? And if Rommel is entirely to blame for it or not? Let me know!
Just discovered that 23rd New Zealand Battalion is actually commanded by Colonel Leckie, not Romans - who was in charge of B Company. Romans came later in 1942. Also discovered that Dittmer was wounded on the 23rd of November in an attack on Sollum, so Captain Love of D Company was placed in command of the 28th Battalion on the 24th. Here’s a great quote from the Official New Zealand History explaining the aftermath of the attack on Sollum: “Among the booty taken at Sollum was an army pay-truck and very soon the desert was strewn with Italian lire notes of all denominations. At first they were used for short sessions of poker, mostly in Headquarters Company, and players rose untroubled after winning or losing some hundred thousands of lire. When they tired of the novelty of being useless paper millionaires the currency was used as cigarette lighters and for toilet-paper. But the state of mind of the survivors of the campaign, who later discovered that Italian lire were exchangeable in Cairo, is better left to the imagination.” P147 http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-WH2Maor-c6.html
So far, we’ve focused on the actions of the British and German tank forces. Well, I thought I’d let you know that, as of next video, we’re going to start moving our focus onto the New Zealanders as the battle slowly shifts over to them. Their actions around Sidi Rezegh start to become more important, so we’re going to go into more detail starting next video.
And as you can probably tell by my voice, I was ill when I recorded this. Please forgive me!
If you enjoyed the video and want to help me make more, please consider supporting me on Patreon. It is my Patreons who make these videos possible! https://www.patreon.com/TIKhistory Again, thank you to my Patreons! YOU ARE AWESOME!
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Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Three: Panzer, Panzer Grenadier, and Waffen SS Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “Rommel’s Desert War: The Life and Death of the Afrika Korps.” Stackpole Books, Kindle, 2007.
Mortimer, G. "Kill Rommel! Operation Flipper 1941." Osprey Publishing, Kindle 2014.
Nafziger, G. The Afrika Korps: An Organizational History 1941-1943. 1997.
Nash, N. “Strafer Desert General: The Life and Killing of Lieutenant General WHE Gott.” Pen and Sword Books Ltd, Kindle Edition, 2013.
Pitt, B. “The Crucible of War: Auchinleck’s Command. The Definitive History of the Desert War.” Cassell & Co, 2001.
Playfair, I. The Mediterranean and Middle East, Volume II, The Germans come to the Help of their Ally [1941]. The Naval & Military Press LTD, 1956.
Playfair, I. The Mediterranean and Middle East, Volume III, British Fortunes reach their Lowest Ebb [September 1941 to September 1942]. The Naval & Military Press LTD 1960. Ed. 2004.
Rees, L. “The Holocaust: A New History.” Penguin Books, 2017. (yes)
Smart, N. “Biographical Dictionary of British Generals of the Second World War.” Kindle.
Stewart, A.”The Early Battles of Eighth Army: ‘Crusader’ to the Alamein Line 1941-1942.” Lee Cooper Books, 2002.
Zapotoczny, W. "The Italian Army In North Africa: A Poor Fighting Force or Doomed by Circumstance." Fonthill Media Limited, 2018.
Jim, H. “Axis Forces in Libya (September, 1941).” FEBRUARY 17, 2010. http://www.comandosupremo.com/Libya1941.html
Moore, G. “Operation Crusader” (Order of Battle) http://gregpanzerblitz.com/Crusader.htm
German generals in Operation Crusader https://rommelsriposte.com/2009/02/03/i-have-a-son-in-russia/
300th Oasis Battalion https://rommelsriposte.com/2010/07/28/oasen-bataillon-z-b-v-300/
British and German Armour Piercing Rounds Penetration Statistics https://www.wwiivehicles.com/
Tobruk Breakout Positions. “The Crusader Project.” 7th September 2014. https://rommelsriposte.com/2014/09/07/making-sense-of-the-tobruk-breakout/
Maughan, B. & Gage, C. “Australia in the War of 1939–1945: Series One: Army
Volume 3 Tobruk and El Alamein.” Chapter 10, 2016. http://tothosewhoserved.org/aus/army/ausarm03/chapter10.html
The Official New Zealand History http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-corpus-WH2.html
Full list of all my WW2 and related books can be found here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
Thanks for watching!
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"Don’t burn out."
Too late, I've been burnt out for weeks/months :D
"Believe me, I couldn’t go into the level of detail for the Eastern Front like I’ve seen in these documentaries."
I actually love the detail, and feel like this series isn't detailed enough :(
"Though if you want to see how hellish the Pacific was, there are some places like Peleliu and Okinawa that stand out."
I have been very tempted to do some of the island-hopping campaigns, but I've read basically nothing on the Far Eastern Theatre, and I'd be starting from scratch, without context. It would be a huge effort just to get started, and it certainly can't happen while I'm doing Stalingrad. But I do want to do it at some point.
"I often stuck to naval combat because it was easier for me to have a sense what was happening."
See I've never been interested in the naval combat-side of things, so you have an advantage over me in this regard. I have no real idea of how naval combat works in terms of strategy and tactics, and I don't know the purpose of different ships, unless it's obvious (e.g. submarine or carrier). The difference between a destroyer, cruiser, battleship or similar? No idea!
"I’d encourage you to continue on the content you want to do. I’ll be a patron regardless."
Well thank you, and I'm glad you're still enjoying the videos, even if they're a bit too detailed and not on naval combat!
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Notes Timestamps are in the description!
Short notes this time!
It’s worth noting that 21st New Zealand Battalion is from the 5th New Zealand Brigade but cooperated with 6th New Zealand Brigade at Sidi Rezegh. 27th New Zealand Machine Gun Battalion was not assigned to any brigade, but was a separate unit in the division, and cooperated with 19th Battalion.
This battle is beginning to shift from the first phase of the battle (the tanks) to the second phase (the infantry). 2nd New Zealand Division plays a central role in this, so the focus will shift to them in the next episode or so.
If you enjoyed the video and want to help me make more, please consider supporting me on Patreon. It is my Patreons who make these videos possible! https://www.patreon.com/TIKhistory Again, thank you to my Patreons! YOU ARE AWESOME!
SELECTED SOURCES/BIBLIOGRAPHY
Barnett, C. “The Desert Generals.” Kindle, 2nd Edition.
Becket, I. “Rommel: A Reappraisal.” Pen & Sword Ltd, Kindle, 2013.
Bierman, J. & Smith, C. “Alamein: War Without Hate.” Penguin Books, 2003.
Butler, D. “Field Marshal: The Life and Death of Erwin Rommel.” Casemate Publishers, 2015.
Cappellano, F. “Italian Medium Tanks: 1939–45.” New Vanguard, Kindle.
Ford, K. “Operation Crusader 1941: Rommel in Retreat.” Osprey Publishing, 2010.
Harrison, M. "The Economics of World War II: Six Great Powers in International Comparison." Cambridge University Press, Kindle 2005.
Kitchen, M. “Rommel’s Desert War: Waging World War II in North Africa, 1941-1943.” Cambridge University Press, 2009.
Kurowski, F. “Das Afrika Korps: Erwin Rommel and the Germans in Africa, 1941-43.” Stackpole Books, 2010.
Macintyre, B. "SAS: Rogue Heroes." Penguin Random House, Kindle 2016.
Mellenthin, F. "Panzer Battles." Spellmount, 2013.
Mitcham, S. Hitler’s Legions: German Army Order of Battle, World War II. Leo Cooper, 1985.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume One: 1st-290th Infantry Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Two: 291st-999th Infantry Divisions, Named Infantry Divisions, and Special Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Three: Panzer, Panzer Grenadier, and Waffen SS Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “Rommel’s Desert War: The Life and Death of the Afrika Korps.” Stackpole Books, Kindle, 2007.
Mortimer, G. "Kill Rommel! Operation Flipper 1941." Osprey Publishing, Kindle 2014.
Nafziger, G. The Afrika Korps: An Organizational History 1941-1943. 1997.
Nash, N. “Strafer Desert General: The Life and Killing of Lieutenant General WHE Gott.” Pen and Sword Books Ltd, Kindle Edition, 2013.
Pitt, B. “The Crucible of War: Auchinleck’s Command. The Definitive History of the Desert War.” Cassell & Co, 2001.
Playfair, I. The Mediterranean and Middle East, Volume II, The Germans come to the Help of their Ally [1941]. The Naval & Military Press LTD, 1956.
Playfair, I. The Mediterranean and Middle East, Volume III, British Fortunes reach their Lowest Ebb [September 1941 to September 1942]. The Naval & Military Press LTD 1960. Ed. 2004.
Rees, L. “The Holocaust: A New History.” Penguin Books, 2017. (yes)
Smart, N. “Biographical Dictionary of British Generals of the Second World War.” Kindle.
Stewart, A.”The Early Battles of Eighth Army: ‘Crusader’ to the Alamein Line 1941-1942.” Lee Cooper Books, 2002.
Zapotoczny, W. "The Italian Army In North Africa: A Poor Fighting Force or Doomed by Circumstance." Fonthill Media Limited, 2018.
Jim, H. “Axis Forces in Libya (September, 1941).” FEBRUARY 17, 2010. http://www.comandosupremo.com/Libya1941.html
Moore, G. “Operation Crusader” (Order of Battle) http://gregpanzerblitz.com/Crusader.htm
German generals in Operation Crusader https://rommelsriposte.com/2009/02/03/i-have-a-son-in-russia/
300th Oasis Battalion https://rommelsriposte.com/2010/07/28/oasen-bataillon-z-b-v-300/
British and German Armour Piercing Rounds Penetration Statistics https://www.wwiivehicles.com/
Tobruk Breakout Positions. “The Crusader Project.” 7th September 2014. https://rommelsriposte.com/2014/09/07/making-sense-of-the-tobruk-breakout/
Maughan, B. & Gage, C. “Australia in the War of 1939–1945: Series One: Army
Volume 3 Tobruk and El Alamein.” Chapter 10, 2016. http://tothosewhoserved.org/aus/army/ausarm03/chapter10.html
The Official New Zealand History http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-corpus-WH2.html
Full list of all my WW2 and related books can be found here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
Thanks for watching!
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We're not groups of people, we're individuals. Sure, we may share a common language or place of birth, and we may band together for certain tasks, but every group is made up of individuals. Those individuals deserve rights, respect, and distinction. When we forget this - when the group is more important than the individuals within it - the lives of men, women and children become secondary to the group, and are no longer important. The death of individual bee matters not if the hive carries on.
Loyalty to the group at the sacrifice of the individual is not good for humanity. We need to work together for the common good, but be equally critical of any organization that becomes too strong. States, nations, government, parties, ideologies, groups... these you shouldn't be loyal to. You can still support them, you can still vote for them, but you shouldn't become an adherent. Always be ready at any moment to remove your support and keep those groups in check.
Same applies with your perception of history. Always be ready to change your views. Zealots separate man.
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"some other history youtubers I love have sometimes this tendency of lacking rigor in the following of their series and some "ep1" remain orphans."
Honestly, after the poor performance of the first video, I was considering whether to continue with it or not. However, I realized that I needed to publish the videos, even if they didn't perform well, simply so that I didn't waste all the research that went into them, and the fact that some people were enjoying the videos. Plus, I wanted to lay it all out as a way to fully understand what happened during the hyperinflation so that I could learn from it myself. Researching it is one thing, but putting it together into a script really brings the history alive for me. So to protect myself from inflation/hyperinflation, I needed to continue the series.
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"if you are not with them you are a fachist, I have the same problem, for my university's friends, I'm a rightist nearly a nazi, for my more...concervative friends, I an awful leftist nearly a communist"
Yep, join the club! Everybody is fascist if you're not Stalin, apparently... They're insane.
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Thanks for asking! I've been working on scripts and research for other videos. This includes some Q&As and responses to a lot of the criticism I receive a while back.
The problem is I'm well behind when it comes to research and script-writing at the moment. One reason is because I'm setting myself some pretty high-standards. I can't just use 2 or 3 sources for a video - I feel like I need to use 10-20, which means I've got a lot of work to do just to get a "standard" video out. I have a lot of work done on the Nazi economy, for example, but I know people will simply reject/dismiss it again, even though I used +80 sources, so I'm reluctant to publish more without doing other topics first. But to do the other topics, I need to do a lot of research, and then there's Stalingrad on top...
Another reason is because I can't answer the criticism is pieces - I must do it all in one video, otherwise they'll accuse me of not mentioning or addressing all the other criticism, and will reject me dishonestly. So the script for the addressing of the criticism is currently over 24,000 words and is nowhere near finished. For context, the combined script for Stalingrad Season 1 was just over 16,000.
This is partly why this video was short, and the other videos this week will just be Q&As. I need time to get the research and scripts done. And I'm a little panicked that they won't be done in time.
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1. In the video I wasn't arguing against Suvorov,'s entire case only against what he said about Keitel, as well as Keitel's own ideas.
2. Suvorov's thesis is bogus. To quote David Glantz -
"There is no question that Soviet dogma had long spoken of "liberating" capitalist Europe by an offensive that would inspire the workers to revolt against their masters. In all probability, Stalin intended to enter the war at some future date when Germany was so overstretched that a Marxist revolution appeared possible. It is equally true, as described earlier, that the Red Army hada theoretical and organizational bias in favor of offensive action, if only to ensure that future wars were fought on foreign soil rather than that of the Soviet Union. This bias may have made Stalin and his generals overconfident until Zhukov recognized the imminent German threat in May. Having said this, there is little convincing evidence that either the Germans or the Soviets thought the latter could initiate such a conflict in 1941. On the contrary, as this chapter has documented, both sides were acutely aware of the weakness and unpreparedness of the Red Army and VVS. If anything, the German success against France and Britain caught Stalin by surprise, forcing him to confront his ideaological foe long before he had expected Hitler to defeat the West. Moreover, the Germans had been preparing their invasion since mid-1940, long before there were any indicators of Soviet preparations to attack." - Glantz, When Titan’s Clashed, P47
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Notes Timestamps are in the description!
What do you think of Pienaar's moves? Let me know!
By the 29th of November, Hartnell’s 19th New Zealand Battalion was split into two forces. So for the video, I’ve therefore moved the whole battalion from El Duda to Zaafran, but obviously some of it was at El Duda. Here’s a quote from the Official New Zealand History - “For the rest of the campaign the 19th was divided into two groups. Lieutenant-Colonel Hartnell’s force at Zaafran was known as ‘Zaaforce’, and those left at Ed Duda under command of Major McLauchlan as ‘Dudaforce’.”
At 14:48 I said “1st Royal Horse Regiment” and then placed 4th Royal Horse Regiment in the video. I’m a derp; it should be 1st Royal Horse Regiment. Also, Norrie led Pienaar’s battalion from the front with 3 armoured cars. But in the video I said “behind” rather than “ahead”. I simply misspoke; Norrie was ahead of Pienaar. I only noticed these mistakes as I was doing the subtitles and it was too late to correct them.
If you enjoyed the video and want to help me make more, please consider supporting me on Patreon. It is my Patreons who make these videos possible! https://www.patreon.com/TIKhistory Again, thank you to my Patreons! YOU ARE AWESOME!
SELECTED SOURCES/BIBLIOGRAPHY
Barnett, C. “The Desert Generals.” Kindle, 2nd Edition.
Becket, I. “Rommel: A Reappraisal.” Pen & Sword Ltd, Kindle, 2013.
Bierman, J. & Smith, C. “Alamein: War Without Hate.” Penguin Books, 2003.
Butler, D. “Field Marshal: The Life and Death of Erwin Rommel.” Casemate Publishers, 2015.
Cappellano, F. “Italian Medium Tanks: 1939–45.” New Vanguard, Kindle.
Ford, K. “Operation Crusader 1941: Rommel in Retreat.” Osprey Publishing, 2010.
Harrison, M. "The Economics of World War II: Six Great Powers in International Comparison." Cambridge University Press, Kindle 2005.
Kitchen, M. “Rommel’s Desert War: Waging World War II in North Africa, 1941-1943.” Cambridge University Press, 2009.
Kurowski, F. “Das Afrika Korps: Erwin Rommel and the Germans in Africa, 1941-43.” Stackpole Books, 2010.
Macintyre, B. "SAS: Rogue Heroes." Penguin Random House, Kindle 2016.
Mellenthin, F. "Panzer Battles." Spellmount, 2013.
Mitcham, S. Hitler’s Legions: German Army Order of Battle, World War II. Leo Cooper, 1985.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume One: 1st-290th Infantry Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Two: 291st-999th Infantry Divisions, Named Infantry Divisions, and Special Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Three: Panzer, Panzer Grenadier, and Waffen SS Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “Rommel’s Desert War: The Life and Death of the Afrika Korps.” Stackpole Books, Kindle, 2007.
Mortimer, G. "Kill Rommel! Operation Flipper 1941." Osprey Publishing, Kindle 2014.
Nafziger, G. The Afrika Korps: An Organizational History 1941-1943. 1997.
Nash, N. “Strafer Desert General: The Life and Killing of Lieutenant General WHE Gott.” Pen and Sword Books Ltd, Kindle Edition, 2013.
Pitt, B. “The Crucible of War: Auchinleck’s Command. The Definitive History of the Desert War.” Cassell & Co, 2001.
Playfair, I. The Mediterranean and Middle East, Volume II, The Germans come to the Help of their Ally [1941]. The Naval & Military Press LTD, 1956.
Playfair, I. The Mediterranean and Middle East, Volume III, British Fortunes reach their Lowest Ebb [September 1941 to September 1942]. The Naval & Military Press LTD 1960. Ed. 2004.
Rees, L. “The Holocaust: A New History.” Penguin Books, 2017. (yes)
Smart, N. “Biographical Dictionary of British Generals of the Second World War.” Kindle.
Stewart, A.”The Early Battles of Eighth Army: ‘Crusader’ to the Alamein Line 1941-1942.” Lee Cooper Books, 2002.
Zapotoczny, W. "The Italian Army In North Africa: A Poor Fighting Force or Doomed by Circumstance." Fonthill Media Limited, 2018.
Jim, H. “Axis Forces in Libya (September, 1941).” FEBRUARY 17, 2010. http://www.comandosupremo.com/Libya1941.html
Moore, G. “Operation Crusader” (Order of Battle) http://gregpanzerblitz.com/Crusader.htm
German generals in Operation Crusader https://rommelsriposte.com/2009/02/03/i-have-a-son-in-russia/
300th Oasis Battalion https://rommelsriposte.com/2010/07/28/oasen-bataillon-z-b-v-300/
British and German Armour Piercing Rounds Penetration Statistics https://www.wwiivehicles.com/
Tobruk Breakout Positions. “The Crusader Project.” 7th September 2014. https://rommelsriposte.com/2014/09/07/making-sense-of-the-tobruk-breakout/
Maughan, B. & Gage, C. “Australia in the War of 1939–1945: Series One: Army
Volume 3 Tobruk and El Alamein.” Chapter 10, 2016. http://tothosewhoserved.org/aus/army/ausarm03/chapter10.html
The Official New Zealand History http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-corpus-WH2.html
Full list of all my WW2 and related books can be found here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
Thanks for watching!
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"Plus, how did Jews being promoted/being prominent within the Communist Party justify/explain mass murder being conducted on people on the basis that they were Russian,Slavic, jewish and so on?"
Because they were favoured over the native people, which caused animosity on racial-lines which wasn't evident before. I'm not saying it's justified, nor does it fully explain it on its own (it's just one example), but it does antagonize the situation and we do have evidence that this did prompt some of the Baltic peoples (mainly in Latvia and Lithuania) to blame the Jews.
The Jews are traditionally seen and (if you believe right-wing propaganda today) are still seen as pro-Marxist-Socialist or the inventors of Marxist-Socialism in the eyes of their enemies. Hitler says in Mein Kampf that they were bringing in Marxist-Socialism so that they could take advantage of the "equality" to breed with the other races, "mix the blood" and cause the downfall of civilisation. So, when you get a situation in the Baltics where the Soviets come in, annex your country, ship off many of your countrymen to the Gulags, steal your private property, spread Marxist-Socialism, promote Jews to high positions whilst disfavouring the Baltic peoples... then National Socialist (racist-socialist) propaganda starts to take root. The seed has been planted. Then once the Germans march in, they recruit those who hate what the Judeo-Bolsheviks have done to their beloved country and use them to commit the crimes you mentioned.
"Baltic nationalists venerated those people such as Jonas Noreika who organized mass murder in some instances before the Germans even arrived."
Ok, but again, not everyone is a nationalist. I'm not, for example. I don't see how all British people can be classed as "the same". It's alien to me. So when people criticise "Britain" or "the British" or "the UK", it means absolutely nothing to me, because I'm an individual, and won't be judged by the actions of anyone else. Similiarly, the Baltic peoples cannot be branded as "all the same" as though they are all guilty of committing the crimes that some people committed. Only certain people committed those crimes, but if the Soviets or Germans hadn't invaded their countries, these crimes wouldn't have happened.
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Yeah, I'm not doing that because I want to defend him necessarily, but to explain why he made those decisions. I personally think that most of the decisions he made are actually understandable in the circumstances. Yes he made mistakes, or questionable decisions, and I gave a good example of one in this episode. But I think a lot of the criticism laid against him isn't fair, and is actually being used to hide the faults of other generals (Hoth, von Weichs, Wietersheim, Hoth, Heim, Manstein...)
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Some people here are quoting 4 million German losses to 8 million Soviet. I'm not sure where they got those numbers from as that's not what I've read, but even if that's somewhat accurate, that means the Soviets only took twice as many casualties as the Germans. This doesn't sound like "endless Soviet hordes" to me.
According to Enduring the Whirlwind - which is getting this particular information from Müller-Hillebrand, Das Heer 1933-1945 - total German losses in the East between June 1941 and June of 1943 were 3,965,000 (this figure also includes "sick"). They sent out 4,440,000 replacements in the same period, which meant the German army grew by 475,000 men. Plus they were augmented by Axis allies.
Now the Soviet side - Glantz says "since 22 June 1941, when the Red Army fielded about 5.5 million soldiers , it had suffered just over six million casualties, with roughly 3.5 million killed, captured, or missing, and about 2.5 million wounded or fallen ill. Despite such an appalling toll, the NKO's mobilization measures had managed to increase the army's average monthly operating strength from three million soldiers in 1941 to about 4.2 million during the first quarter of 1942."
Glantz says that when the Germans had 5.8 million men (Axis total 6.5 million) on the 1st of May 1942, the Soviets had just reached about 9 million "with about five million of these assigned to its field, or operating, army at the front and to the Stavka Reserve." That's not even double what the Germans have! It really doesn't sound like the Germans were facing hordes of Red Army soldiers.
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It's alright, you have valid criticisms.
I would say that a lot of the Axis countries (except for Italy) wouldn't have been doing much occupying. Bulgaria, for example, only occupied a relatively small portion of Greece. The Romanians (largest contingent in the East after Germany) didn't occupy any territory except the Soviet territories. Italy is the only one which had large occupation forces, so that is a factor and I will concede that.
True, I didn't mention the USSR's forces, but many people already know that they had troops in the Far East etc. In fact, several commenters have pointed this out, and I've hearted their comments.
My main focus though was to show that the manpower wasn't actually the issue, but the logistics. They could technically replace the manpower, but couldn't actually do it and keep those replacements supplied due to logistics issues.
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Gavin doesn't make clear which superior confirmed his decision. Technically he has two corps commanders - Browning AND Brereton.
Browning, Montgomery and Brereton, as well as Urquhart and several commanders of 1st Airborne Division, and the RAF, all deserve a portion of the blame for their failure in this operation. However, if we have to choose just ONE person as the person who made the biggest mistake that without doubt caused the whole plan to fail (and without this mistake, the plan could and probably would have succeeded) then, for all the reasons stated, that person is Gavin. Nijmegen bridge shouldn't have been de-prioritized. Taking that bridge, even with all the other mistakes, probably would have lead to an Allied victory at Market Garden.
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"TIK not only are you ignoring half his comment but you also unpinned this AS SOON AS HE POSTED IT" - Ryan Wilson
I'm not sure what you're on about. I've not unpinned this.
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"Then why do you keep talking about how they interconnected, how hitler redefined marxism, how NS was a form of marxism, etc and etc?"
Stop making stuff up and accusing me of doing things I haven't done. I've never said they were "interconnected". All I said is that Hitler looked at Das Kapital, agreed that the class struggle was real, but decided Marx was wrong on how to resolve it. So he was influenced by it. But Marxism and National Socialism are not "interconnected".
"If you would talk about NS as some kind of ideological evolution from of pre-marxist socialism, then it would make a lot more sense."
National Socialism had its roots in the pre-Marxist era (as did Marxism). But National Socialism as we imagine it came after Marxism. Hitler and his colleagues looked at Das Kapital and took elements out of it. So, why an evolution from pre-marxist socialism would be acceptable to you, but the actual reality of the evolution of the National Socialist ideology is not acceptable to you, I'm failing to grasp.
"Even though according to your criteria, almost every major participant in ww2 was a socialist, including USA and Great Britain."
I never said any of that. Stop making stuff up. I said SOME of their policies (mainly refering to Britain and the Labour Party after the war) were socialist, but the USA certainly wasn't socialist.
"Why are you not focusing your comparison on how socialist britain fought with socialist germany,"
Socialism in Britain only really occured after the end of the war.
"and how indian famine in 1943 happened because britain was socialist while nazi germany did the same to jews because it was also socialist?"
Are you implying the murder of Jews by the Germans didn't happen, and that it was a famine? Also, I don't deny that there was a famine in India in this time period, and that it was probably (I've not looked into it) caused by British policy. The Irish Famine happened, and that wasn't socialism, so it's not unimaginable to think India would be affected in this way. However, all of this is irrelevant to the discussion at hand, since Britain wasn't socialist until after the Labour Party took office in 1945.
"You also disregarded what i said about nazi germany motivation. Your argument that ”hitler did what he did” because it was in his book falls flat when we bring up all the nazi racial hypocrisy that i mentioned in the previous reply. This doesnt make sense to explain the entire war with ideology when nazis literally funded unpopular slavic nationalist movement, even though they considered slavs to be untermenches. Did i mention jews in wermacht?"
I assume you're refering to this -
-Why did hitler create collaborationist units out of ”inferior races”, especially slavs? Several SS formations, ROA and RONA, ukrainian collaborators, yugoslav collaborats, even african formations from black people that were sent on the eastern front (which is especially interesting because nazis basically took the rhetoric of ”we liberate you from british imperialism”.
Because they were fighting a war. They definitely viewed them as inferior, even if they used them to fight on their side. Besides, Hitler was reluctant to use such troops, but caved in when the war turned against Germany. It doesn't invalidate anything I've said, which is why I chose to ignore it.
"Do you know what USSR stands for?"
I assume this is rhetorical.
"Soviet Union was a council republic. Council republic is a form of democracy," and "This is not someones opinion, this is not a subject of debate - this is an established fact."
A republic is a democracy? And I'm the one who doesn't understand politics.
"We can debate on flaws and advantages of both systems but this is an entirely different topic, if you are going to dismiss USSR being a council republic by bringing up cold war stamps then i can as well dismiss your ”democracy” by pointing out how choice between hillary and trump had nothing to do with peoples’ will."
1) I'm not American and don't care about Hillary or Trump, but I'm assuming you're refering to the fact that the USA is a Republic, not a Democracy. 2) I said in the first video, which you clearly didn't watch, that the USA is not a democracy: she is a republic. Surprisingly, I thought this would be the controversial bit, but only one or two people actually mentioned it. I then explained to them a bit further and they saw what I meant. 3) I never said the USSR was not a soviet/council republic. However, I am saying it isn't democratic, even if it has got democratic elements.
"You absolutely did say that [refering to what I said: ”It's not capitalist. I've not said it was. You're trying to make out that it is 100% capitalism, but you're not considering the historical reality.”], at least indirectly, when you were explaining nazi privatizations by saying that ”socialism does not exclude capitalism”."
So, I didn't say it. Nor was it implied. You took it to mean that because, as is quite clear, you haven't bothered to listen to what I said in the video.
"But you absolutely do.
11:00 you say that nazis are a ”branch” of marxist theory. So its either part of it or not. You are making contradictory points."
'Branch of the same tree' is what I was saying. Their roots are in Marx and co, but they're not the same. Just like Catholocism and Sunni Islam share the same roots, even if they're not the same.
So, from this, we can conclude that you've misinterpreted the evidence.
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@philvanderlaan5942 "I could be wrong but doesnt TIK himself say he prefers people to Think and do their own research than just accept what others say?"
Yes, I absolutely do say that. I much prefer for people to actually think for themselves. This is why, if someone proves me wrong, or provides information which is in addition to my own, or an opinion that is valid and not refuted, in a nice way (aka, not "you're an idiot TIK"), then I'm more than happy about it! Just like in this case, I'll pin a comment, or even issue a correction (if necessary).
This doesn't mean people could just ignore what's being said, jump to silly conclusions, state things without providing sources, ask questions that are deliberately designed to divert us away from the topic onto something else ('Whataboutism'), or assume I'm wrong because I obviously want to 'eat the poor' like the unthinkers claimed in the comments of Monday's video... but if people have more knowledge, or have thought this through and have come up with better conclusions, then I'm all for it
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"Learning German to better shill Allied and Soviet propaganda, no doubt."
The Allies and Soviets both committed crimes during WW2, and the regime of the Soviet Union was evil.
Can you drop the Wehraboo logic now? Not being 'pro-Wehrmacht' doesn't mean I'm 'anti-German'.
"He just keeps saying he is going to tear it down and did mention it in a Q&A with a smug sigh and roll of the eyes but that rebuttal still hasn't come."
I was about to tackle it, but then a bunch of crying Marxist Socialists came along and screamed that National Socialism wasn't REAL Socialism. So, since that's far a more important problem in relation to WW2 than the Nigel Askey issue, I decided to tackle that one first, which I did in my 5 hour long "Hitler's Socialism" documentary.
Originally, the Marxists were the ones praising me for standing up against Wehraboos in the videos that Nigel Askey replied too. Yet, once I said National Socialism was Socialism, the Marxists then turned about and used the Nigel Askey article as 'proof' that I'm not a real historian. The irony is that I've somehow made the anti-Wehraboos agree with Wehraboos, and the Marxists agree with the Nazis. Funny really if you think about it
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"You hit the nail on the head when you asked about the market demand for a state."
Someone has said it's more like lots of little local states like Lichtenstein, rather than pure anarchy. So, in other words, it's decentralization. That's fine, but that's technically not "anarchy", which then removes the "anarcho" part of "anarcho-capitalism". So I'm still not sure on that. But I could definitely see a world of lots of Lichtenstein-type states being far better than what we have now, so I can get behind that idea.
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"The only other thing I would say is that the bridge might have been requested by some grandma or whoever writing in to a politician"
That's not market demand. If grandma wants a bridge, then she should pay for it. And this is the issue: people demand "free" nationalised health care but NONE OF THEM are willing to pay for it. Well, if you're not willing to pay for it, then that proves that you don't want it. If you wanted it, you'd get your wallet out.
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“It is worth clarifying that the Nazi-Soviet Pact was not an alliance as such, it was a treaty of non-aggression. Consequently, aside from the metaphorical title used here - The Devils’ Alliance - I generally refrain from referring to Hitler and Stalin as ‘allies’ or their collaboration as an ‘alliance’. However, that clarification should not blind us to the fact that the Nazi-Soviet relationship between 1939 and 1941 was a profoundly important one, which consisted of four further agreements after the pact of August 1939 and was, therefore, close to an alliance in many respects. Certainly it was far more vital and far more crucial to both sides than, for instance, Hitler’s alliance with Mussolini’s Italy. Hitler and Stalin were allies in all but name.”
- Moorhouse, “The Devils’ Alliance,” P4.
(Bearing in mind that this book is the only book specifically on the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, and the author notes that the Pact is often ignored or barely mentioned by a lot of other authors. And when it is mentioned, it's only a few sentences.)
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Why would you be unemployable? Do you have a disability?
Assuming you physically can't get a job and must remain a writer, I have a suggestion for you. I don't have a lot of spare time, but recently I've been playing solo-rpgs like Ironsworn: Starforged. Just got Four Against Darkness too. If you check out the solo-roleplaying sub-Reddit, you'll see that there seems to be a demand for well-written, simple mechanic systems with good world-building potential.
Well, if there's a demand, you should fill it. Set yourself a goal of writing up an entire rule system in one day (which will force you to keep it simple). Then revise on the second day, and do some play testing on the third, fourth and fifth days. Revise once more, then come up with a setting. Add in some art (maybe even AI created), publish as a PDF, then advertise on the relevant subreddits and forums.
In theory, you could have a published product within a week or two, especially if you're unemployed as you've got nothing else going on. You probably won't make a ton of money with this first product (unless it goes viral), but it will give you experience and show you that wealth can be created. Your wealth and life are entirely in your hands.
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"I'm wondering.....what would be your position if I do not agree with you on some point and would say so in a respectful manner in the comment section...would you threaten me in some way with repercussions?"
As long as you're not spamming, I don't care, say what you like. Free speech must be protected... even if YouTube punishes my channel for maintaining such speech (they judge videos by the content of the comments in the comment section), and even though I have trolls (Aiden B, and wannabchomsky to name but two) who are screaming all sorts of nonsense at everyone who supports my views.
However, if you say stupid things, I will call you out on it. So be nice.
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"So...are we free to contest or oppose something you claim without repercussions?"
Not quite, because you forget that there's three dots next to your comments, and anyone can click on them and report what you say. So, while I maintain the idea of free speech, others may not.
Oh, and YouTube automatically deletes comments... including my own. But in theory, you can say whatever you want.
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History lies in the heart of the debate. I know there's a lot of criticism of Beevor, but it would be wrong not to use his book. We have to use as many sources from as many different perspectives as possible in order to get to the truth of the matter.
Incidentally, I know his book was banned in the Ukraine sort-of recently...
Honestly I don't see any reason to suspect the Beevor quote in this video as being an unfaithful representation of what the Germans were up to. We know from many other sources that the Germans were living off the land, so it compliments rather than contradicts other information.
That said, I will say that I'm not relying on his book too heavily. I'm leaning on Glantz/House & Jason D. Mark in the first season or two, just because so little has been written on this period of the battle. Once we get into the street fighting, things will be different because more authors have written on that. However, if Beevor's book compliments what others are saying, and I have no reason to suspect what he writes at particular parts, I don't see why using his book is wrong. Obviously, if there's a contradiction or I spot an error etc (a couple of errors come to mind), then I'll probably point it out or talk about it if it's necessary. With a battle this huge, the books don't all agree, and there are many errors... and that's good! It'll lead to some juicy debates!
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I read your comment and hearted, but I needed to give it some thought before responding.
If I'm honest, I was in a very similar position right through until the middle of high school (in England, so about 13 or 14 years old). Then I almost died, twice. And I realized that life is too short to waste. So I prioritized my own education. Just like you, I'm mostly self-educated. Taught myself how to play guitar. Taught myself how to create 2D and 3D animations. Taught myself most of what I know history-wise by simply devouring the sources. Yes, I went to college and university, but I've spent a significant portion of my adult life UNLEARNING the garbage that the miseducation system indoctrinated me with. The more I unlearn their 'lessons', the better, happier and more determined I become. And everything else is self-taught. Nothing beats self-tuition.
The point of all that is to say that I'm genuinely happy to see that I've inspired you to pick up the books and do your own reading on these topics. Never stop learning, and growing. And do not, for a second, think that you're 'behind' or that "you will never amount to anything" (as one of my teachers told me). It turns out that you learn best by learning yourself. Sure, you can get help from others, but unless you're willing to do the work and put in the effort, outside 'help' is just a waste of time. You have to want to learn before you will, and by the sounds of it you've already realized that.
Thank you for your great comment
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It's great to see that you're suspicious of the book before you've even read it, and have checked the publication date. That's awesome! And I think you should use it. This is a fantastic opportunity for you to learn a very important skill or outlook, and that is this - your interpretation of the past will change with every source you read. This is going to be a exercise for you to learn from. So yes, I think you should read it... with some advice.
Go into it with skepticism, knowing full-well that you can't trust it and that, when you read the more up-to-date book, you may have to change your perception on certain events. Be ready to change that perception. Treat it as though you're hearing a rumour - "ok, I'll accept that version of events until I get more evidence and/or a different interpretation."
If you haven't already, check to see if it's got a bibliography (sources), and if it does, see if it's using primary and secondary sources. If it hasn't got a bibliography, avoid avoid avoid. Don't use it, it's a waste of time. If it uses both primary and secondary sources, use it, but be cautious with it (as above). If it's only using primary sources, use it, but be very cautious, because the author isn't aware of the work of other historians who may have figured out and corrected some of the myths and lies within the primary sources which this historian didn't pick up on.
Look up online - who is this author? What's he all about? Why's he writing this? Was he a Marxist, a capitalist, a pro-this, an anti-that...? Does he give his background in the preface or intro? Know your enemy.
As you're reading it, if anything doesn't make sense to you, or feels a bit off somehow, write it down. Mark the page number. Then if you do get a more up to date book, you can compare two two versions. I would read this book, but you absolutely have to follow it up with a more up to date version. And I think you'll be surprised how much things have changed.
But ultimately here's the thing you have to understand - you should treat the up-to-date book with the same amount of suspicion, skepticism and caution as you would the first book. Sure, it's perhaps more up to date, but that doesn't mean it's 100% correct. No book or source is 100% correct. You may pick up a third book next year which disputes or disproves points raised by both the first and second book. And that's good! We're making progress! But it's still not 100%. And this is why you have to remain fluid with your interpretation, and your perception, of history. The facts may change. The interpretations may change. So, treat history (and everything) like you would a rumour. Accept it for now, until you get more information, and be ready to rethink everything you thought you knew.
Hope that makes sense!
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When we see the world in groups, be them racial, sexual, or class groups, we no longer see the individuals in those groups. When the groups become more important than the individual, the individual no longer needs rights, and his existence is only valued if he contributes to the group. He is no longer a human being, but a number. Numbers can be removed, and the group will live on. The fate of an individual bee is not important, so long as the hive lives on. And this is why atrocities and Holocausts can happen - 'groups' are no longer human beings. This is the danger in seeing the world in groups. It is bad for humanity as a whole to forget that we are, at heart, all different from one another.
So why do people see the world in groups? It's strange when you stop and think. The reality is, we are all individuals. We are all unique, distinctive, flawed, and deserve rights and respect. The fact that you see the world in groups says a lot about your character. It's because you need to be a part of something bigger because your own life lacks meaning. Your racism, and your "us" vs "them" attitudes are just another way of saying "I haven't got any meaning in my own life, so I'll try and be part of something bigger than I am in the hopes I can find that meaning". But you're all looking in the wrong places.
You need to work on yourself, and stop worrying what other people are doing. You are individuals. And when you realise that 'groups' are not trying to oppress you, and that the world is made up of individuals, you will realise that you can shape the world around you. You actually have the capability of changing your own life because your 'group' is no longer holding you back. And suddenly you realise your life is in your own hands; not someone else's, or some 'group'. How very scary... yet... freeing...
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I get where you're coming from, and I think you might enjoy the video I have coming out tomorrow because it does paint a accurate picture of the situation during Barbarossa. It is an equal mix of numbers, and leadership and logistical issues in the Soviet Army. The Germans had the "superior" army, but it wasn't because their soldiers were better. It was because they mobilized first.
"Having said all that, I see no issue with people claiming the Germans were the most professional army on the planet from 1939-'41 because history itself gives us that narrative."
I agree with most of the rest of what you're saying. But this is the only bit I strongly disagree with. It's not "history" giving us that narrative. Who wrote the history books? Western historians. What languages are the western historians who wrote those histories able to speak and read? German and English. Did they have access to the Soviet archieves to get their side of the story? No, because of the cold war. Why was there such a focus on how the Germans defeated the Soviets in battle? Because the USA wanted to know how to defeat the Soviets. Who then did they ask to lead such a project to find out how the Germans defeated the Soveits in battle? Halder.
As I said in the oil video, Halder and his cronies are the ones painting this biased picture of WW2, not helped by the political context during the Cold War. This view of the war is simply incorrect. As the west slowly gains access to more and more information from the Soviet side about the Eastern Front, we're finding out that much of what the old narrative said about the war is simply not true.
"It took the other nations time to reorganize and respond to the German army because their leaders were innovative borderline geniuses,"
They mobilized first. They were building up their army from the early 1930s, whereas the Soviets had to make up that ground in less than two or three years. On the 22nd of June 1941, the Wehrmacht in its entirety had more men than the entire Soviet Union's military. The German army in the East had more men than the Soviets had. And, if you read David Stahel, you'll see that these "geniuses" really dropped the ball when it came to planning Operation Barbarossa. Halder messed up big time. Barbarossa gives a lot of tactical successes over a smaller enemy (impressive), but doesn't achieve overall victory. Therefore it is a failure, and Halder and his generals are to blame for this. And they are to blame for the subsequent narrative that tries to pin the blame on Hitler. Hitler was an evil guy, but he wasn't at fault here.
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"First of all if Hitler really wanted peace with Britain why would he bomb civilians?"
Good point. Maybe, if he just sat there and didn't do much of anything, it would seem suspicious to Stalin. So maybe he had to make it seem like he was genuinely going to invade or 'punish' the British Isles.
"Wouldn't the Lost airplanes and oil be of much better use against his real enemy, the Soviet Union?"
Absolutely, but then again, Hitler did think that the Soviet Union would collapse before the oil ran out.
"Also what would the point be in attacking British convoys with submarines if not to force them to surrender?"
To keep Britain weak.
"Also something that is unclear is if he wanted them to escape why would he send in the Air Force and submarines? You mentioned in the video that he might have wanted to Cripple the British but then why not send in the army?"
Well, I'd say that the army might have done a more thorough job. Alternatively, one of current Dunkirk theories is that Hitler kept back the tanks/troops in preparation for the next attack against France (Case Red). If that is true, it would make sense why he kept the tanks back.
"Like it sounds a little over complex especially when you could have just destroyed them, crippled the British even more, and just not accepted a peace offer, if he didn't want to be seen denying one he could also just demand unconditional surrender similar to The Americans and I doubt Britain would accept and even if it did unconditional surrender from Britain would be extremely beneficial so it's win-win.
I'm not convinced."
Well, it seems to be a combination of tactical practicalities and strategic thinking. We already have the tactical argument for why he kept back the tanks, but the strategic element seems to be missing. I think this theory isn't too complex, and actually fits in. However, I can certainly see your point of view.
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Hitler did actually abolish private property. It was one of the first things he did. And this is why "privatisation" didn't actually happen, because the state was still in control -
28 February 1933 -
Order of the Reich President for the Protection of People and State
On the basis of Article 48 paragraph 2 of the Constitution of the German Reich, the following is ordered in defense against Communist state-endangering acts of violence:
§ 1. Articles 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124 and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. It is therefore permissible to restrict the rights of personal freedom [habeas corpus], freedom of (opinion) expression, including the freedom of the press, the freedom to organize and assemble, the privacy of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communications. Warrants for House searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.”
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Articles of the Weimar Constitution affected -
Article 115.
The dwelling of every German is his sanctuary and is inviolable. Exceptions may be imposed only by authority of law.
Article 153.
Property shall be guaranteed by the constitution. Its nature and limits shall be prescribed by law.
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I absolutely agree with you :) and not to make excuses, but I want to let you know some of the reasons as to why I didn't, and why I probably couldn't do what you suggest, just so you know why.
So, some context -
I was working on my Fort Eben Emael video (which took seven months to create from start to finish for an 18min video) and one morning, I needed a break. If you've seen any of my other battlestorm videos, you'll know that using multiple sources and going into depth on the subject are the things I value most. But I was getting frustrated that Fort Eben Emael was taking so long and wondered how quickly I could make a Battlestorm video if I really pushed myself and wasn't concerned too much with quality.
So that morning I sat down and made this. I was finished by early evening and uploaded it the next day. And as you can probably tell by the fact that you can barely see the names of the units above the units, I decided not to delay too much by going back and change mistakes.
Surprisingly, the research wasn't rushed, but I only used one source (the only source I actually own on Somaliland at the moment). The source I used is listed in the description and is actually the British official history by Playfair. So you'd think it wasn't too bad of a source? Right?
Nope, it's terrible. He's the type of historian who'll introduce a unit in one book and then tell you who the commander of that unit is in the next book. Or just refers to a battle like so "two battalions attacked the town" and not say which battalions where involved.
But that's not all. I've done videos on the North African/Western Desert Campaign, and have nearly completed the script for an upcoming "Battlestorm Operation Battleaxe video" where I've used a total of 18 sources so far, and not one of those sources - including an "organizational history" of the Afrika Korps which I've scoured the internet for - can actually list how many troops, tanks or even units are actually in the Afrika Korps at any one time. Whole battalions may or may not have been present or even existed. The composition of kampfgruppen, regiments - or at times even the entire Afrika Korps - cannot be provided. Even estimations of tank numbers cannot be determined and vary considerably from sourse to source, with some sources directly contradicting each other. And this is for the vastly more famous Afrika Korps in the vastly more famous Western Desert Campaign.
If I can't find accurate numbers for the Afrika Korps, I don't think I'm going to have much luck finding numbers for units in Somaliland in 1940, which a lot of people don't know much about or have even heard of the battles there. And I'm not trying to make excuses, and I'm not trying to find sympathy or anything else. But I just wanted to let you know that I do put a lot of effort into making these videos (this one maybe being to one exception as I said before) and certainly going forward, I'm going to do my best to provide you with all the information I can.
I hope that makes sense :)
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@sbevexlr848 "Weird, never saw any comment mentioning fredda before, where did you find it?"
In my comment sections. Here's some comments from my viewers:
"Hey Tik the Channel Fredda made a slader piece against you, he takes you out of Context and goes with bad faith against you, to make you look like an idiot. He is a Socialist, and he got butthurt about you calling Nationalsocialist, well Socialist." - N.
"A socialist youtuber named fredda with a pretty decent sized channel attempted a full debunk of you. I watched his videos before and lets just say he uses some of the most normie and fallacious arguments I have ever seen. For instance, the suicide rate in Greenland is higher than Denmark, so Fredda states that this must be caused by oppression of Greenlandic culture ignoring that the cities with the highest suicide rate in Greenland are the most Danish populated as well as the high acholism and low sunlight in Greenland. However, I think a response would probably be worthy if even just a community post." - O.
"Hey man I just wanna say that there's this Marxist YouTuber Fredda who said he wants to debunk you, be has some braindead but his fan base will eat everything up. You should look forward to debuking him" - C.
"The dude's a sham. He shouldn't waste his time on a hit piece when you can actually fact check fredda and see that he either doesn't know what he's talking about or is flat out lying about TIK. I made a low quality 3h video response to the video directly capturing my screen with obs that I never uploaded. so in a sense yes I can since I spent about 6~8 hours of my life going back and forth between fredda's video and TIK's videos and I know exactly when and where he's either misinformed or lying. At some point in his video he claims he's been following TIK for over 5 years but he can't realize TIK's already responded to some of the video's claims. I can promise you that fredda's video is not a good video. I'd like to immediately respond but I have to be present at work atm" - J.
"On cue Fredda starts strawmanning the video 3 hours after it drops on X. Doesn't even address the thesis or majority of the video for that matter. Funniest part of that he is trying to use his ole "disagreeing with your own sources". Democraticmarxist is in agreement." - F.
"I do agree that the video by Fredda was quite bad, considering he used arguments I believe you have responded adequately to. The only thing in his video I believe was even worth thinking about was your use of sources in a few of your videos.... Fredda does clearly have a communist, or at the very least a socialist bias in his content, and thus it's no surprise he'd be very antagonistic against a self-proclaimed "free market guy," such as yourself. Thank you for taking the time to respond." - P.
"The Fredda meat riders on the comments being slaughtered right now lol" - Dj.
"Amazon being public or worker-owned (in share) doesn’t necessarily means it is socialist. Fredda is either confused with the concept, or he was putting words into TIK’s mouth to defame him." - O.
"Hey, TIK, are you gonna respond to Fredda's recent video about you? He says he's using sources, but he only cites 4 of them that are contemporary to WW2 and the nazis. He basically disagrees with you on definitions and that's it. I commented that, by his logic of the nazis being capitalist, the UK was still monarchist, because they still haven't completely abolished the monarchy. He also tried to best you at military logistics, apparently - because locomotives shipped to Algiers weigh over 3,500 tons and it took the british govt weeks for their big-data informed experts to do, during an operation that was already in execution... or something like that." - U.
"While a response video would be great, I wouldn’t blame him for not doing so. Fredda is a total hack and fallacious arguments are a pestilence in his video." - B.
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"If the government would not force taxes on me (allmost 40%, and the same amount from my employer) im pretty sure i would find a lot of things to spend that extra money on besides health ensureance wich i currently dont need."
You realize you're actually proving me right here. You're admitting that you don't need healthcare right now (proving it's in a bubble), and that you'd spend your money elsewhere. This would actually grow the economy and benefit what the consumer wants, rather than what you don't need (healthcare). Not only that, but this would in-turn growth the economy even more, since profits would be higher and thus investment and innovation would be considerably higher too.
I'm going to recommend Hazlitt's "Economics in One Lesson" to you. Great book, and definitely worth reading. It will explain what I'm trying to say but in a lot more clearer way.
Also, the fact that you're being FORCED to hand your wealth to the state, is proof in the pudding. If the State enterprise provided you with value, you'd pay for it. The fact that you have no choice proves that it doesn't provide you with any value, and proves that they must take your wealth from you. The fact that you don't get a choice is also proof that you're a slave, just like me.
"Now my job is quite dangerous sometimes, as i do repairs on "hot" 3-phase electrical circuits that can not be switched of be cause it would shut down entire lines of production. There are equipment and procedures in place to make those repairs as safe as possible, but humans can make mistakes. If i were to accidently bridge those 3-phase systems with my hand, my hand would turn into ash in milliseconds. If i would manage to somehow survive such an accident, i can likely never work in my job again,"
Sounds dangerous. I think you should be allowed to keep 100% of your wage, rather than just 60%, because you've earned it.
"and without sufficiant savings or previous investments into private healthcare insurence, i would likely end up a homeless one handed beggar."
You're smart enough to realize that now. So, if you were able to keep all 100% of your taxes, you could put that money aside in investments, savings or private healthcare insurance, and it would work out cheaper than what the state could do, since you're paying for politicians, taxmen and other officials who aren't even to do with the health care industry AS WELL as nurses and doctors etc.
"But there are social insurences in place wich both i and my employer are forced to pay for"
Yes, at greater expense than they would be if you paid privately. This video might be enlightening for you https://youtu.be/0uPdkhMVdMQ
"Unfortunatly you can not choose when to pay for expensive healthcare when its need is extensive but your savings are not. These tyrannic social services that i am forced to pay for provide me with security in live that i would otherwise likely not have ;)"
I've paid many thousands of pounds for the State health care since I started working. I've been to the doctors 3 times. If I'd gone privately, my costs wouldn't have reached half a thousand, let alone thousands - and that's with more expensive state-regulate "private" health care, rather than actual private health care.
"Or how about this: you develop a throat cancer and they need to remove it. Now you dont have a voice and can neither do youtube, nor work as a sales person like befor. Would your evil socialist government keep you from starving at the expenses of other tax payers?"
Assuming I don't die from the cancer, I wouldn't expect the state to steal off other people who work and redistribute a small portion of that to me while they keep the majority of it. I'd just go get a job that doesn't require the use of a voice.
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Yes, it does say that. But then says “What is certain, however, is that Hitler had been closely considering the question of supplying Sixth Army from the air while he was still on the Obersalzberg, and that he had arrived at a positive assessment of that option. At any rate, he had discussed the subject a few hours prior to his departure with Colonel-General Jeschonnek, Chief of the Luftwaffe General Staff, who was present at Berchtesgaden. It seems that Jeschonnek - aware of Richthofen’s pessimistic attitude, but possibly misjudging the basic conditions - did at least not dispute the possibility of temporary aerial provisioning in principle.
“This was enough for Hitler to settle on the solution to the crisis which was to him the most attractive psychologically - holding on to Stalingrad.”
And as I said, Glantz then adds to it by confirming Göring wasn't there. I don't know enough about Jeschonnek either. In fact, I'm struggling to find any info on the German commanders at Stalingrad. You might know, actually - are there any books in German which list the German divisional commanders and then give short biographies on them? I'd definitely be interested if there was one (same in Russian tbh).
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Nobody is "trying to find fault" with Chuikov, or anyone else. In fact, Jones does nothing but praise Chuikov throughout his book (perhaps being a bit too far "pro-Soviet"). All we're trying to do here is figure out what happened. In my opinion, I'd rather see Chuikov as a good-but-flawed general who's also human and real, than a mythical Mary Sue that was perfect in every way, but apparently I'm in the minority there...
It was clear to me by just reading Chuikov's memoirs that something was off. So even without Jones, I was still doubtful of the narrative. Jones then provided extra context. Jones is using primary sources (most of which have been verified by Anton Joly and Egor Kobiakov). As I said in response to the pinned comment, there is a potential issue or two which I may need to do an Addendum video on, but otherwise it's fine. So I'm not relying on Jones, so much as relying on the primary sources he's provided.
Jones places the blame on Eremenko, not Chuikov. I also think Eremenko was at fault for not sending reinforcements to Chuikov. What's important though is that nobody is saying that Chuikov was wrong to do what he did, or that he was a coward or whatever. A coward would have fled without permission, and wouldn't have prepared to fight to the end when permission to withdraw wasn't granted. Clearly, Chuikov wasn't a coward, and I don't think less of him for wanting to withdraw in the face of collapse. If Eremenko had sent him the reinforcements he needed, he probably wouldn't have been in that position in the first place.
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"use the reply button instead of hiding like a typical iron cross wearing ss coward by not using it( so i don't get a notification). pathetic! ...like a nazi loving coward."
1. The option to reply with a tag to someone (like with this comment) is not available to creators in "creator studio" or the app, which is the primary place I reply to people (because it's easier). Hitting the "reply" button in the way you're demanding requires me to go onto the desktop, click on the video on YouTube, and then specifically find the comment, plus it goes against the stats of the video because I'm not actually watching it. Therefore, it's not viable for me to do that.
2. I'm not Socialist, therefore I cannot be a member of the SS, or a National Socialist https://youtu.be/eCkyWBPaTC8 Oh, and in that video there's a section called "National Socialism's Fundamental Ideological Flaw", which is where I completely undermine the contradictory ideology of National Socialism. The fact that I've exposed the fundamental ideological flaw in National Socialist ideology should be a HINT to you that I'm not a National Socialist.
"anyway are you denying the fact i pointed out, that "german divisions were always under strength."and "before stalingrad they were far above their strength in august 1941" ?
answer, and don't wiggle, like a nazi loving coward."
I honestly don't understand what your argument is here, that's why I'm asking you to clarify it. Are you saying that the German divisions are always understrength? Or that they're above their strength? And in either case, what has this got to do with me being a Nazi? If the German divisions are understrength, how does that mean I'm a Nazi? And if they're above their strength, then how does that make me a Nazi? I genuinely don't understand how the strength or weakness of German divisions in WW2 equates to me being a Nazi. Perhaps you need to stop being so emotional, drop the name calling, and think before you type.
Also, what has 1941 got to do with Stalingrad, which happened in 1942?
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"Seriously ill people, old people, retarded or malformed people, those that can not work because of injury, etcetera. I guess we let em all die or put em into the gas chamber to spare them starvation?"
We who can work can CHOOSE to look after them. Right now, we are being robbed of our money, and most of that isn't going to those who need it, but is going into the pockets of the government and elites. I'd would much rather have 40% of my wage not stolen off me, and give that 40% directly to the people you listed, than have 40% of my wage stolen and have maybe 10% go to those same people. Sorry for being so "selfish".
"Would you change your mind about this if you had a seriously ill wife or child that require treatment you can not afford?"
I wouldn't think it right to demand that other working people hand over their wealth to me. I would ask or beg, but I wouldn't steal or expropriate or exploit. Why? Because I actually have morals.
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22,000 tanks, most of them obsolete light tanks. As shown in the video, Germany mobilised first and had a larger army than the Soviets, with more numerous up-to-date panzers (tanks). Prior to German mobilisation, the Soviet army was only 930,000 men. They mobilised because of German aggression, again as shown in the video. And as shown in the video, the states that the Soviets were "demanding" as you said, were the states they were entitled to as a result of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact that Germany agreed to. As shown in the video two weeks ago as well, without infantry, tanks are meaningless. Soviet Motorized formations hadn't yet received their trucks. The Soviets were outnumbered on day one of the campaign by the Germans. This there is ample evidence against the idea that the Soviets were going to attack first, and only circumstantial evidence that supports it.
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@RenVizsla "he’s applying his ideology (libertarianism) to this situation"
I'm not a libertarian, and the idea that we think and are therefore not animals doesn't come from libertarian ideas.
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"his entire ideology is based on humans being rational."
No, it's based on truth being objective. Humans are not always rational, although they can be.
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"We are not rational, we are raised and developed in Nations by our parents,"
If you were born in a submarine, that doesn't make you a fish.
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"we are the result of our community"
But that doesn't mean we ARE that community.
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"and our parents."
What about orphans?
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"It’s why a Muslim and an Englishman are noticeably very different even if they were born inside of the same country."
That's religious differences, which is based on brainpower. That's not racial. And all this point does is support what I was saying, since animals don't have religions.
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"Because the Muslim has not integrated into being English"
First off, he can be. He isn't if he's only just got off the boat, but he could be integrated into the culture. But again, the issue here is religion, culture and politics, not 'race' or a lack of brainpower.
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"he has remained with his community of which he favours which is not fundamentally an English community."
Yes, that's what religions do. But religion is no proof of the existence of races or that we are animals.
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"These communities then affect the way we think,the things we believe and the traditions we inherit."
Correct. We are brought up by our parents and are influenced by the social networks around us. However, that doesn't mean we can't change those ideas, or that the ideas were "pre-determined" before we were born, which is what the National Socialists and racists believe.
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"TIK is simply wrong with his rabid individualism."
No I'm not.
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There's a difference between bog-standard racism and the ideology of Fascism or National Socialism. So I'm not denying that there was racism anywhere in Italy or the Italian armed forces or even in the Fascist Party. But I am saying that the ideology of Italian Fascism only started to bring in racist elements around 1936-ish when Mussolini wanted to align with Hitler after being isolated on the diplomatic level thanks to the Ethiopian war.
So while racism was a thing (in practically every country at the time) that doesn't necessarily mean that everybody was Fascist, and Fascism was racism. There is a distinction to be made. And I would also say that Italian Fascism was Nationalistic (not racist-nationalism, just old-fashioned nationalism), and their attacks upon the Ethiopians were driven by pro-Italian nationalism (which maybe had some racism latched onto it) rather than ideological racism. They were pro-Italian on nationalist grounds, not racist grounds (until the late 1930s at least).
Another way to think about it: Britain conquered a quarter of the globe because of free trade and making money, not because they just wanted to enslave other people. If they just wanted slaves, why would they sail all the way to India first before conquering Africa? Why would they sail to North America, or Australia? That doesn't make sense, until you realise that they only did so because of economics.
And yes, there was racism that accompanied the conquests, and obviously slavery at first (until Britain adopted classic liberalism and was the first empire in history to fight to free the slaves), however it wasn't ideological racism that drove the expansion of the British empire. It wasn't anything like National Socialism. Racism accompanied the expansion, but it didn't drive it. Same with Italian Fascism: racism accompanied the expansion, but didn't drive it. With National Socialism however, racism drove the expansion and everything else that came along with.
So there is a distinction and if we don't recognise it, we'll come to the wrong conclusions, which would be dangerous because our view of the world will be distorted. The Left today don't make this distinction, lump everything together, and then come to stupid conclusions like Churchill being a fascist, despite the fact that for almost a year Churchill and the British were the only ones fighting Mussolini and Hitler. (And I'm not saying Churchill wasn't racist or a bad guy, I'm just pointing out that he wasn't Fascist - he locked up Oswald Mosley and many other Fascists in Britain.)
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Costa - Guards Armoured was part of XXX Corps. It was also not just tanks - by 1944, the British were using a mixture of tanks and infantry in their armoured formations. So yes, Guards Armoured is the spearhead of 30 Corps, and had infantry in it. And it's not just one division. This is a corps of tanks, infantry, artillery, engineers and a host of other units. They could have easily defeated a depleted panzer division if it hadn't been allowed to dig-in inside a city.
The British infantry were busy fighting inside Nijmegen against the 10th SS Panzer Division, so couldn't ride on off towards Arnhem. They weren't late arriving, as you claim they were. They got there on time, early on day 3. They then suffered a 36 hour delay because the 10th SS Panzer Division were dug-in at Nijmegen city. If the bridge had been taken on day 1, as Gavin had been ordered to take, then the fight would have been to the north of Nijmegen. This would then have taken 10th SS Panzer Division out of the city and in open country. It is easier for infantry (because 10th SS Panzer Division only has a handful of vehicles and guns at this point) to defend in open terrain, than it is to defend in a build-up area. So, having a fight north of Nijmegen makes more sense than fighting inside the city.
If the bridge had been taken on day one, the 10th SS Panzer Division wouldn't have had 24 hours to dig into Nijmegen city. They actually had time to demolish buildings to prepare their defences.
You said that without the Groesbeek Heights the road north would be cut. Well, two things. As I said in the video, nobody's saying they had to move everything off the heights. Just one battalion would have done, and they spared that later in the day (after it was confirmed the 1000 tanks weren't in the Reichswald) so why not spare it earlier? And the second thing is, what's going to cut the road? The 406th Division? The unit that was barely the strength of a brigade? The unit the 82nd Airborne barely noticed on day 2? Again, one regiment would have been enough to secure the Groesbeek Heights until 30 Corps arrived and provided tank support to the 82nd Airborne - which they did.
The main threat came from the north. I'm surprised 10th SS Panzer Division didn't counterattack into the rear of the 82nd Airborne in combination with the limited attack by the 406th Division. I'm also surprised the 10th SS Panzer Division didn't head south and retake the southern bridges. If Nijmegen bridge had been secured on day 1, then this would have prevented a potential disaster to the 82nd Airborne at Nijmegen.
So Graebner was wiped out by Frost's battalion at Arnhem bridge. You don't think Warren was capable of doing the same? And Graebner only had a few armoured cars and half tracks. He was no match for Frost's para battalion, let alone a corps of tanks, infantry, artillery etc.
The fact was that Browning and Gavin deprioritized the Nijmegen bridge, thinking that the main threat was going to come from the Reichswald. The reality was that the main threat came from the north, and nothing was in the Reichswald. This was a mistake, and 1st Airborne Division paid dearly for this mistake.
"The argument you make against Beevor is the same I make against you." No it isn't. You're trying to argue without having a clear understanding of what actually happened or the composition of units. You're asking me to tell you why you I think one division with tanks and little infantry could have fought up that road. Well, they did it on day 5 and 6 (when it was too late) and got to Oosterbeek. If they'd had done this on day 3, this would have been much earlier and there was a much better chance of them getting to Arnhem. Yes, it's not guaranteed (nothing is in war or life) but the chance of victory is much higher if the Nijmegen bridge had been secured on day 1. But here's the main point - if Nijmegen bridge had been secured on day 1, and 30 Corps had got across the bridge BUT still not got to Arnhem, the fault would not be at Nijmegen. The Nijmegen bridge needs to be taken, otherwise the decision not to take the Nijmegen bridge could be argued as the reason for the failure, because taking the bridge gives the best chance for victory, which is exactly what I'm arguing.
Birkby - I've already replied to your comments and you've still not explained your points, so I don't know what you're trying to get at.
Steve - I don't censor comments unless they're spam, excessive swearing, deny the holocaust or something equally as stupid, or otherwise be abusive. I actually encourage people to provide solid counter-arguments because that's what history is - a debate. It's a good way to see if my own arguments hold water, and also test alternative arguments. In this case, my argument does hold water, and I haven't yet seen a valid counterargument. I can think of one very good counter-argument, and some people on other videos have gotten close, but nobody has yet said here it (unless I've missed it).
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@The God Emperor - I'm not politically motivated. I just favour the stronger and logical arguments. When there's contradictions, that's a problem. When there are fewer contradictions, or the evidence heavily supports a particular argument, I go with that one. When the counterarguments are poor, I stand my ground and show up their flawed logic. That's not political motivation - that's truth-seeking. May the stronger argument win.
Those accusing me of political motivations are simply trying to undermine my arguments by attacking me personally (a smear and slander campaign) rather than taking on the arguments I'm making. It's an underhand tactic, but it's effective because it plays of people's emotions. The knee-jerk reaction is for people to think "guy A has accused guy B of being a Nazi, therefore guy B must be a Nazi" even though no evidence has been presented, and in my case, the absolute opposite is true.
I've been called a Communist, a Fascist, a Nazi, a Marxist, a Jew, an anti-American, a pro-American, a pro-British, pro-Marxist, pro-German, anti-German, a conservative (even I laughed at that one), an Ancap (I'm not), a socialist, someone who's biased (we're all biased), someone with an agenda (my agenda is to find the truth about history - that's a good thing), pro-Croatian, a Londoner (I'm not sure why this one was meant to be an insult), a Scotsman (yep), pro-European, anti-European, pro-French, anti-French, pro-Polish, anti-Polish, anti-South African (the Pienaar video), and so many more I've lost track.
I think it's fair to say that the smearing and slander must stop. I'm an individual. Therefore I'm a classic liberal who thinks the free market helps the poor more than state-control and tyranny, but only because the argument is strongly in favour of the fact that I am indeed an individual, and that tyranny is wrong, and that allowing the economy to actually function results in (shockingly) more economic activity.
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Hi Claire, I agree with your five factors (and there's probably more). The point of the video was to narrow it down further and make a decision as to which was the most crucial factor out of them all. If you had to choose one of your five factors as being the most crucial, which would you choose?
And they're good suggestions. I'm planning to get through the North African Campaign first before moving on to the Italian Campaign, so Monte Casino may have to wait a while. Clearing the Scheldt, Walcheren Island, and Hurtgen are good suggestions, so I'll add them to my list. Just so you know, I'm currently working on a Battle of Stalingrad Battlestorm documentary (yep).
I've been working on it since April 2017, and current research is over 367,000 words. It's going to be epic when it's done! So, if you're wondering why it takes a while for me to post content, this is why :)
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A good question - one which I hadn't considered before. To be honest, I haven't seen any 'conflict' in the early part of the battle (the bits we've covered so far). And I don't recall much conflict until right at the end, during the encirclement, which you mentioned in your comment.
What you have to remember is that, Hitler was promoting non-Junker or non-elite generals into positions of power throughout the war, and especially as the war went on. He was against the "vons" and for the "lower" people who were fanatical "National Socialists". This was still an on-going process at this time, and wouldn't properly kick in until after Zeitzler took over Halder.
We also have to remember that the German officers were trained to obey. So while Paulus may not have had 'seniority' over some of his commanders, they were trained to obey their higher-ups. Plus, Paulus was married to a Romanian noblewoman, which put him in touch with the Romanian premier. And he had planned parts of Operation Barbarossa, plus other campaigns, so he was a very experienced staff general.
I don't know if I can answer your question fully today. But I will be on the look out for hints within the literature of the relationship between Paulus and his generals, and I'll include it within the series if possible. If you or anyone else has any suggestions for sources, let me know.
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According to Enduring the Whirlwind - which is getting this particular information from Müller-Hillebrand, Das Heer 1933-1945 - total German losses in the East between June 1941 and June of 1943 were 3,965,000 (this figure also includes "sick"). They sent out 4,440,000 replacements in the same period, which meant the German army grew by 475,000 men. Plus they were augmented by Axis allies.
It also mentions that during Operation Blau, Army Group B (fighting at Stalingrad and along the Don) suffered one-third of all casualties occured by the Ostheer during July and August but only received 11% and 14% of the total number of replacements sent out to the Eastern Front. By September "Divisions assigned in Heeresgruppe Nord were on average short 2,029 men and those with the 2. Panzerarmee of Heeresgruppe Mitte lacket 2,120. In contrast, the personnel shortages of the formations within Heeresgruppe B already averaged 3,521." (page 244) Very strange, don't you think?
German tank numbers - "At first glance, the lamentable tank state of the panzer divisions, especially those with Heeresgruppe Nord and Mittle, appears to be representative of an overall shortage of armoured vehicles within the German Army. Certainly, this is the conclusion presented within the post-war literature, even though most provide scant details, if any. The problem with this assumption if that the whereabouts of a large number of the 6,558 panzers and StuG in stock with the German Army on 1 July 1942 are unknown. Of these, an estimated 2,836 can reasonably be accounted for as being present with the Ostheer, while a further 1,613 were preoccupied elsewhere. This leaves 2,109 tanks and assault guns unaccounted for. Evidently, more armoured vehicles were either on the Eastern Front, or at least should have been, that the diminutive figures cited with the panzer divisions have led scholars to believe. Admittingly, because of severe shortages of spare parts, a number of these may actually have been in long-term repair. Consequently, they might have been located at maintenance facilities within Germany or at the major tank repair centres established within the occupied eastern territories. However, they also may have been with formations in the field but when unreported by these units since they were not expected to become operational for an extended period of time. The temptation and benefits of exacerbating deficiencies and the Germany Army's shambolic reporting methods at this time may also have played a role." (p198, Whirlwind)
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@Neapoleone-Buonaparte Think about it. You cannot give to charity unless you have something to give. You can't have something to give unless you desired it in the first place (greed). And the reason you give to charity is for selfish reasons. You feel shame and guilt that you have stuff and someone else doesn't. So to make yourself feel better, you give to others - that's ultimately a selfish act!
Charity isn't a virtue, it's a sin. It's the ultimate form of selfishness. Especially when we consider the "give a man a fish" proverb. It's better to look out for yourself and put your own needs first, because that desire to better yourself is a huge motivation. If everyone put themselves first, then helped each other, nobody would need help. We'd all be much better off.
So no, I think "Ethical Socialism" is equally as terrible as the rest. Socialism doesn't just fail because its economics don't work, it fails because it promotes Altruism. Altruism isn't "good" - it leads to anxiety and depression. By putting others before ourselves, we weaken and destroy ourselves, leading to a collapse, either of ourselves, or of society. That's what we're seeing right now.
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It's a combination of previous government interference in the market (wage and price controls, copious regulations, taxation, inflation, immigration etc) but is also a big sign that inflation is beginning to cripple the economy, along with the interest rate manipulation. It has nothing to do with Brexit or the other excuse the lamestream media continues to say but I shouldn't mention. It's not a coincidence that there are shortages of fuel, drivers, employees for restaurants and other businesses, sugar (a couple weeks back), toilet paper (last year), cars (old and new), milk (that's apparently the latest one), timber, cement, toys and stuff for Christmas, in addition to the fact we have a massive housing bubble crisis, a stock market bubble crisis, and other huge distortions running throughout the economy.
It's not a coincidence that all this is happening at the same time. Brexit or a health crisis cannot explain all of this. But one thing can - our beloved Central Bank and it's interest rate and currency manipulations.
This is similar to what happened in the Soviet Union, or National Socialist Germany, or Weimar Germany, or several other countries. It's been playing out since 2008, but really got going in September 2019. If you haven't seen my What Causes Recessions video, you may want to give it a watch https://youtu.be/X3L0_pjRdcs
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Not seen that so I'll check it out. Thanks
EDIT: I posted this review of the suggested content below but decided to edit this comment too so people can see it
Just watched the "Subverting the Narrative" video. While I agree with the premise, I think he's painting too broad of a brush. To suggest that everyone saying "international banking" is someone who hates the Jews (Murray Rothbard and Mises, both Jews, would like a word with him), is simply not true. Explaining how fractional reserve banking leads to depressions and recessions, and therefore that the banks (national or international) are a blight upon humanity, doesn't say anything about the people who work in them (be them Jews or not). The race is irrelevant, it's the non-free-market banking practices (combined with State control) that's important. He's conflating the two, and thus painting every Ancap or Libertarian (including many Jews, like Peter Schiff) as Nazis.
I'm not an Alex Jones fan, but he plays a clip of Alex Jones saying something about "globalists" or whatever, and says the same thing about him. Alex Jones might be a bit off his rocker, but I don't think Alex Jones is an anti-Semite or a National Socialist for not liking things like Marxism (itself anti-Semitic https://youtu.be/rZh01xRO_Qg ).
The video author then plays a clip of Jordan Peterson where Peterson explains how Hitler was disgusted by the Jews. The video author then says that what Peterson really meant was that Hitler didn't hate the Jews but only wanted to clean up things. Thus, the video author implies that Jordan Peterson is a secret anti-Semite. But Peterson was only explaining Hitler's reasoning - Hitler hated the Jews BECAUSE he was disgusted by them. If you read Mein Kampf (page 63 of the Jaico verson, for example, where he says the Jews made him "feel ill" and are a "pestilence", and there's plenty more I could quote) this becomes clear. The video author then starts saying that the Nazis viewed the Jews as an economic plight, and that's why the Nazis wanted to get rid of them... which is a cleaning up operation, as Jordan Peterson said.
He also says "the only people who ate better than the Germans were the Americans", which is laughably not true. The British had way more food than the Germans did in WW2 as the book "Taste of War" by Collingham explains. I've been over the food crisis in the Reich many times, so I won't labour that point here.
There's loads more I could pick out, but you get the picture. Overall, I think there's a reason the video is heavily down-voted, and I don't think it's just because the National Socialists don't like it either.
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"However, the fact that you're reccommending videos from highly partisan channels is dissappointing. It does make me wonder if you've got the ability to discuss politics in a neutral, non-biased manner."
What I fundamentally reject to is the idea that evidence should be ignored or distorted. Fighting against distortions or misinformation has always been my thing. There's no difference here. I look at both sides, and decide to discount the one that cannot provide evidence, distorts its evidence or relies on cheap tactics/slogans as the basis of its arguments.
For example, I've had at least two people already tell me in the comments that the Victorian era in Britain led to mass poverty and exploitation. Clearly they've been brainwashed by people who have ideological agendas. I've had to point out that real wages in Britain increased by 42-50% in the years 1850 to 1883, according to "British Economics Growth 1688-1959: Second Edition" page 24. In fact, living standards were increasing significantly in this period throughout Europe, especially when compared to what came before. This was what Bernstein (a Marxist who buried Engels) realised after he wrote the 4th volume of Das Kapital (Marxists like to pretend he didn't write it). He realised that the revolution wouldn't come, which is why he became a social-democrat.
The reality is, hard facts are hard to swallow. I watch a lot of different videos and read a lot of different books before doing this video. I've also been reading a lot for other related topics. So, if I'm going to link to economics videos, I'll link to videos that get the economics right, not ones that get it wrong at a fundamental level.
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Good question!
I don't currently have any doubts about my view because the more I read, the more I discover. Like, the "Betriebsführer" and "Gefolgschaft" - that was a recent discovery. The only thing is that, because historians have written so little on the subject of the Nazi economy, and have ignored huge portions of the economy and ideology (like, what were the central planning boards that distributed raw materials called? No idea because none of the historians talk about them!), it leaves a bit of doubt. There is a potential that the more we discover about the Nazi economy, the less socialist it ends up being.
However, I really don't think this will happen. In fact, the opposite is more likely. The more we discover, the more socialist the National Socialist economy becomes. So the wind is blowing the correct direction.
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"Capitalism is a system where state actions SERVE the dominant economic forces - those of Capital accumulation."
Capitalism is non-state, as shown in the video. So there is no state to serve capital accumulation.
"Capitalism didn't come about because a bunch of entrepreneurs had great ideas."
Yes it did.
"A lot of state action was involved,"
Unfortunately.
"the enclosure acts which dispossessed people of their lands, outlawing and brutal repression of strike action, literally blasting open markets with military might, and of course a lot of slavery to help boost sugar and cotton profits."
Yes, all those things are bad. Stealing private property is wrong. Sending in the state police or military forces to defeat strikers is wrong. Using state military forces to blast open markets (imperialism) is wrong.
Capitalism is anti-slavery, since slaves are not free private citizens and cannot buy things on the free market. This is why Britain (capitalist) went about in the 1700 and 1800s trying to end the slave trade. If you have slaves, you do not have capitalism. This is why capitalism accelerated the downfall of serfdom and slavery.
So I'm glad we are in agreement - state involvement in the economy is bad.
"The private sector as we understand it does not, indeed cannot exist without the state."
The only reason I made this video is because a state told me too....... oh wait.
"Furthermore, you still mistake socialisation for socialism. Your desired political and economic outcomes would require extensive socialisation to make people all think as you want them to think in order for things to be, as you currently see them, natural. So then, I guess you're a Socialist."
I have no desired political outcome - I'm anti-political (politics is "of the city"/state, and I am anti-state). I have a favorable view of capitalism because if benefits the workers. I am a worker, and so I want to worker hard and earn hard, and keep the profits of my earnings for myself, and not be forced to hand them over to other people (socialists and states).
I don't want people to think the same. I want them to be fully informed before they decide that the answer to the current problems caused by the state is a different state with more power (totalitarianism) rather than freeing up the workers and allowing them to actually do their jobs without government chains, red tape and theft.
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What do you mean by "robo brain"? I never said that.
And again, we are biological creatures, but since we are able to conceptualise, we are separated from the animals. Outside of car crashes and the like, we do not rely on our "instincts". You are presenting a empiricist or an ideological (idealist) argument that simply denies the human mind. If all you do is 'instictually' react to things, I feel sorry for you. You might be a dog, or a feral child, but the rest of us use our brains, and I would encourage you to do so too. Problem solving is not merely "instincts", nor "mechanical processes", nor "animal spirits".
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You're correct in a lot of ways. The Western Front really was a mopping up operation compared to the Eastern Front, and this battle didn't change the war too much. However, the point of this is that the historiography of this battle is dominated by authors who are deliberately withholding information in order to blame the wrong people. If you watch the film A Bridge Too Far (which is based on the book by the same name), you'll come to a completely different conclusion to what I did here. That's what makes this battle so interesting, especially since it's a multi-national operation, so people get really passionate about it. I have tried to remain balanced, but technically I'm biased by being British (although, as I said in the video, if you blame Browning, Gavin or both, you're probably correct).
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Rabh, yes I did. I've been annihilating Marxists in the comment sections with the resent research I've been doing on the topic. In fact, two of them were so upset after our little chats that they deleted their own comments because they couldn't face the evidence (so they resorted to calling me names which, as I pointed out, was an admission that they'd lost the argument).
You see, I actually took the counterarguments and continued to do more research, and actually looked into the claims that the Marxists were making. Turns out that people have big misconceptions about Nazi philosophy, Nazi economy ("privatisation" being the big one), and of socialism itself. Their definition of socialism varies considerably - which is typical, since most refuse to accept that it has anything to do with the state (which is the definition). Socialism is the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). To say it is a "stateless society" which some Marxists are claiming is exactly the opposite of what it is.
I promised my Patreons I would leave the topic for a while. But I vowed to return when I have overwhelming evidence to prove to the Marxist and Nazi denialists that WW2 and the Holocaust actually happened. (Since without Hitler's socialism, neither WW2 nor the Holocaust could happen.) Overall though, I don't like people who deliberately distort history for their twisted beliefs. And, after the hate from those two videos plus the previous denialist comments on my channel, I'm now intent on crushing Denialists and Distorians alike.
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"That Nazism has it's roots in Liberalism"
How's he defining "liberalism" here? Old fashioned liberalism, or new liberalism?
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"it's embrace of competition and natural selection applied to human activities."
As I explained in the Hitler's Socialism video, this aspect lies at the heart of the fundamental flaw in National Socialism. Hitler was very much about the race (group), but also believed in natural selection (individuals). Well, that's a contradiction. If you have individuals competing against each other, then you cannot have a race that's working together for the race. But Hitler just ignored that contradiction since he couldn't solve it (as Zitelmann explains). Thus, to say that this collectivist ideology was all about "competition" because Hitler slapped the idea of natural selection onto the side of Socialism is the incorrect way to view National Socialism.
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"That Hitler and Mein Kampf are minor elements of Nazi doctrine that people focus way too much on"
Which is exactly what me and Zitelmann have said. This is why it's vital to use Mein Kampf, his second book, his speeches, his letters, his table talks, what others wrote about him, and a multitude of all sources. That's why I often try to provide multiple sources to get my points across (although sometimes it's just not possible).
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"That modern managerial techniques have their roots in Nazi hierarchical organization"
Yes, Lord Baron Keynes even based his economic model off of the National Socialist economy, and borrowed heavily from the works of Nazi economists.
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Nonetheless, I will read what he wrote and see if any of it has merit. Cheers!
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"Hello. I just wanted to ask: If the "stick to tanks" group did not exist, would you have made your in dept economical, and political videos?"
Yes. Absolutely yes. I cannot stress this enough. They have significantly held me back and delayed me from working on and publishing videos on several critical economic and political topics which could have made a massive difference to the way that people see the war, the inter-war period, and the post-war period as well as modern day too.
It's not been a waste of time, but fighting in the trenches over the Hitler's Socialism issue has caused a needless stalemate that could have been avoided had the opposition simply accepted (or even listened to) the evidence. Because they point blank refuse to do so, I've now concluded to proceed regardless. So even though I'll have the trolls telling everyone to ignore what I'm saying, I've realised that they are just fanatics who need to be ignored, and it's the rest of you who will benefit from what's coming in the future.
I can confirm that I have been working on things behind the scenes... Usually when I need a break, rather than have a day off, I just work on long-term topics that I'm passionate about. There is one such big topic that I'm building up to right now.
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@Ricky Torres, I'm "chill", but I'm also in agreement with Hermit Oldguy. Theft is immoral, and that's exactly what Socialism wants - to steal from the "Bourgeoisie", and when they put up a fight, kill or enslave them. This is why socialism (historically) leads to violence.
BUT I think the problem is that most socialists either feel like "capitalism" is oppressing them or stealing from them (it's not, but they think it is because they don't understand that trade is not stealing), and so they feel entitled to steal and murder. They're blinded by their anger.
The good news is that, when you sit down and talk it through with them and explain the logic of what they're saying, the whole theory starts to come apart. It's not a 'nice' theory, and the lies they've been told "workers should get a fair wage" are hard to break unless you know how. ("How is 100% taxation a 'fair wage'?" and "if a worker doesn't think he's getting paid enough, or doesn't like his job, he's free to leave it at any time and get a better job")
The bad news is that a lof of people don't listen, or don't think things through when they do listen. Economics is also very a complicated topic so it's hard to explain complexity simply. This is why socialism has the advantage in recruiting people because it's not based on economics, but utopian dreams.
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"Simply put, private ownership is explicitly rejected by Marx and Engels as being the defining feature of capitalism."
Thank you for pointing this out, because this is interesting and I'm going to have to think this over and figure out why he would think that.
I know this is going to sound like it, but what I'm about to say is not me having a dig at you or Marxists in general, it's more stating an observation I've made recently. I have honestly been wondering if anything Marx said was correct, or not contradicted by something else he/Engels said elsewhere, or if the logic doesn't always end in knots.
As a big example of what I mean, they wanted a state-less (the state would "die" after it was created) and class-less society... which is anarcho-capitalism. Since without state control (group), you have private control (non-group), which is capitalism. Capitalism without a state is anarcho-capitalism.
Now you might say it would be more anarcho-syndicalism... but a syndicate is a group. In anarchy, you don't have a group. So it's not socialism/syndicalism at all.
And don't get me started on the Labour Theory of Value (which was outdated in Marx's time).
My interpretation of Marxism is that it was purely designed to make the world burn, because they despised the world. It wasn't designed to create a new functioning society, but one which would divide and divide over and over in a constant revolution.... because they wanted to see the world burn. This is why even Lenin had to drop Marxist economics when he got into power.
Marx/Engels and co were social-revolutionaries, not economists. And that's what mattered. Simple ideas like "steal from the rich!" are promoted, encouraging people to get angry with their fellow man, and choose violence (theft) over cooperation (trade). Thus, what mattered more was the revolution, not the economics. And this is exactly the conclusion Lenin came to prior to power, and why he so despised Bernstein when he realised Marxist economics didn't work.
But this is just my current intepretation. I haven't solidified this yet.
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In answer to point 1, you may as well not read any history then, since you weren't there either and therefore could never understand it. That point also undermines the rest of your argument, since how do you know I wasn't right since you weren't there.
Your point 2 is also ridiculous. You're suggesting that evidence and facts are irrelevant. You're rejecting the scientific method, which leaves you with interpretation alone. That's a terrible way to do history, and is known as Postmodernism. It's the same theory the Marxists, socialists, and National Socialists use to deny certain events in history, like the Holocaust, the Holodomor, and the definition of the word "socialism".
Onto point 3. This campaign was confusing, but orders are orders. Pienaar deliberately misinterpreted his orders several times. That's not coincidental.
Onto point 4. If you bother to watch the video, you'd know I didn't just use those maps, troop movements, and strengths, nor did I only use post-action concepts. We have contemporary evidence from within the battle. Norrie even questioned Pienaar's inaction during the battle - we have this, and I mentioned it in the video.
Point 5. Again, I said this in the video. We know his motivations - he didn't want his Brigade to suffer casualties - however that's not the bit we're discussing. If you want to argue that Pienaar was right to disobey orders, fine, but you cannot distort evidence and pretend units were in the way when they weren't, as Hamilton does. Pienaar could have moved north, but he didn't. That is fact, as I outlined in the video.
And your point 6 makes no sense, since the British armour was waiting for Pienaar to move up, not the other way around.
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"I was quite shocked at the mass berating you were receiving by neo communists/nazis in the comments."
So was I.
History lies in the heart of the debate. However, it's not a debate when one side's entire argument can be summed up in three sentences: 1. "you're wrong", 2. "you're a [insert insult]", and 3. "Stick to tanks!".
There were a few people who gave valid criticism, however their counterarguments were fundamentally flawed because their definitions of socialism and capitalism were wrong. As I showed when countering TheFinnishSocialist's comments towards the end of this video, there's no substance to their confused and contradictory arguments. And then, when I'm not convinced by them, apparently this is somehow proof that I'm not open to new ideas or biased or have an agenda. No, it's proof that I'm willing to stand my ground against a flood of poor arguments and abuse.
Even if the majority were against me (which they're not), I'd still stand my ground. Only a convincing counterargument that stands up to scrutiny can get me to change my mind, and they simply haven't provided one.
Thank you for your comment!
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"First, the statement that the Chetniks protected civilians is incorrect. They protected (ethnic) Serbs, them exclusively."
That's what I said that in the video. When I first mentioned it, I didn't want to give away that they were going to only protect Serbians, but later on, I made it clear that that was what they were doing, and said so at the end.
"What is not mentioned are Chetnik crimes committed against the civilian population of Croatian nationality, of the Catholic faith."
Again, I mentioned crimes committed by the Chetniks against the Croatian population in the video.
"Secondly, the Chetniks cooperated with the Italian fascists in the territory under Ustasha control, and later during the war with the Ustashas against Tito's communists."
Yes, as I mentioned in the video.
"Third, regarding the support of Churchill and Western powers; since the Tehran conference in 1943, Titos' communists / partisans have been the only recognized ally in the Balkans by the Allies"
Yes, as I mentioned in the video.
"Mihailovic maybe didn't enter the war as a fascist, but he definitely ended it as one."
I would agree with that statement.
"Although the leading figures of Tito's movement were all communists, partisans in general were not."
That's exactly why I decided to call Tito's force Communists rather than 'Partisans', so as not to confuse things.
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"Your redefinition of capitalism as a stateless society is counter to its historical meaning, which simply means policies in favour of the large employers rather than employees"
Socialism is monopoly control of the means of production, since a society (a state) is a monopoly. Socialism might say it benefits the poor, but it actually benefits the rich. Once you realize this, your eyes will open. Contrary to the popular consensus among Left-wing ideologues, capitalism actually results in competition, which destroys large corporations and syndicates if capitalism is allowed to operate. Unfortunately, the State prevents the free market from operating, and passes laws that benefit the rich, the elite, and the corporations. Through minimum wage laws, price controls, pension schemes, national-socialist health schemes, inflation, taxation, and similar, they make it so that small businesses cannot compete with the corporations, causing monopolies to form. This is why the State is the enemy of the poor and the middle income earners.
The historical definition of Capitalism is (and always has been) private control of the means of production. I explain this (backed by sources) here https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
Capitalism is private, and private is non-state. As soon as you have a state, you have public control. The public sector is the state. Thus, if there is a state in control of the economy, you do not have capitalism.
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"But the main thing I always comeback to which all high ranking military officers will agree on is that the superior commander (in rank) is responsible for their juniors. So Browning is responsible for giving Gavin the proper orders just as Montgomery is responsible for then Browning and Eisenhower for Montgomery."
If Monty orders Browning to take the bridges, and Gavin and Browning don't do that, then how is Monty to blame? His orders were clear, just weren't followed. So in that case the blame couldn't be Monty's, it would have to be Browning and/or Gavin's.
And while an officer is responsible for their juniors, I would argue that the juniors don't get off. If you work in a corporation, and you order a subordinate of yours kills someone - and he does it - why would you go to jail and he doesn't?
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"So Browning is responsible for giving Gavin the proper orders just as Montgomery is responsible for then Browning and Eisenhower for Montgomery."
Right, but I'm not entirely convinced that Browning did give Gavin the order not to take the Nijmegen bridge. As I said in this video, the only evidence I've seen for this is Gavin's words after the battle, which are doubtful for the reasons I explained in the video.
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"Browning landed with Gavin so Browning could have at any point during the battle or prior to told Gavin "Hey, I really want you to get that bridge that is your top priority". Gavin at that point has to listen to Browning as his superior commander."
Yes, I actually suspect that this may have been what happened, but by this point it was too late. Gavin should have ordered a battalion or more to go to the Nijmegen bridge prior to landing, not after landing. This was the error.
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"As I was saying I think there were many issues with Market Garden beyond what happened at Nijmegen."
Correct, and I agree - the plan wasn't perfect, and I agree with most of your stated issues with the plan (and there's more besides). However, the crucial aspect was that the plan wasn't followed at Nijmegen, which is what led to its failure.
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"So pinning all of the blame on 1 or 2 man (Gavin and Browning) is still just wrong to me... I still don't think their actions alone caused the failing of the whole operation."
Theirs was the main reason, not the only reason. But had Nijmegen Bridge been taken, then the whole operation could have worked, even if the other faults with the plan remained. The objective was to take a 5 bridges. You cannot count to five if you miss out number 4 - 1. 2. 3. ... 5. By the same token, you cannot get to the fifth bridge if you fail to take the fourth.
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"There were many things that go wrong and just like in regular jobs military officers can and do make mistakes as well. I'm not sure about Browning but I know Gavin was highly decorated prior to and after Market Garden many times. So putting so much blame on Gavin and Browning here just doesn't seem fair to me. Those are just 2 guys doing the best they can for their countries in a time of war and maybe they made a mistake in this case that helped contribute to the failing at Market Garden."
All this is irrelevant. Yes, they were highly decorated... But experienced people in positions of power make mistakes all the time. In fact, this is my main criticism with politicians, bureaucrats and others who work for the State - you can have high-sounding titles, but you don't know nothing about how the economy actually works.
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Yes, I agree fully. Constructive criticism etc is fine, but some people on the internet take it to a whole new level. I think there's a few main issues -
1, it's easier to criticize than it is to do.
2, people don't realize just how much work goes into this and they think I just speak to a camera and hundreds of hours of research, script writing, and editing gets done magically. I mean, I did over 400,000 words of research for Stalingrad before I lost count (it's much more than that now) and at the moment Anton Joly is sending me more! Plus I have more books ordered (Isaev's doesn't come out until the end of next month), and I even started learning a whole different language to access more texts. I'm working harder than I've ever done before, and people used to say I worked too hard when I was a manager in retail. But they only see the end product and don't realize any of this.
3, with a project this big, some mistakes are going to slip into the narrative, despite anyone's best efforts. Those errors are then used as a "ah ha! I've caught you out you [liar, cheat, revisionist, pro-this, anti-that...]". In reality, I'm not a god. I get things wrong. Sure, point out my mistakes, but be polite about it, and don't expect perfection.
4, trolls (e.g. "stick to tanks", "you're wrong", "here's a poor argument which makes no sense and the evidence doesn't support it, why won't you change your mind?")
5, Usually it's the same type of person who criticizes, and they criticize frequently. A "serial criticizer". Such people have no appreciation for the word "work" and sit there pretending that they 'know' best how the world should be. Since others are producing things, and they're not, they're losing out - they're even being hurt by the fact that others are contributing more to society than they are. They think that because others are doing better than they are, that they're entitled to criticize to their hearts content, but never truly look themselves in the mirror. They can't do much work, and the work they do isn't very valuable, but they think they're great, expect money to just flow into their hands, develop a chip on their shoulder when it doesn't, and go about telling everyone how much the world owes their greatness. They blame others - the rich, the people they work with, the Jews, men, women, the old, the young, the successful, the pretty... But deep down inside, they know that they're the ones to blame for their own misery.
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@Ashtray - you're not "useless". Your purpose is to protect the country.
BUT you cannot claim to be economically productive (unless you are a mercenary, see below). The point is: we need soldiers, but only when we need them. An activated military that's engaging in defending a country is great. Having a massive military is a burden on the economy, so we need to keep our military small, efficient, inexpensive, and at home.
Being a mercenary is slightly different because, in a free economy, they are economically productive - they're being paid voluntarily to provide their service. Someone who pays someone else to do something voluntarily is technically economically productive, since their service is in demand. A State military isn't economically productive if tax is not voluntary, since such a service is probably not in demand. We can't tell though because tax isn't voluntary.
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"I suggest you get informed better on the leftist side of economics"
I used to be a socialist and I was taught the socialist and Keynesian anti-economic view of the world when I was in college and university. I am very well informed on how terrible it is, which is why I no longer accept it.
"Most leftist economic systems advocate directly against the intervention of a state or larger power in the economy, and direct control of the instruments of production and the economy by the participants of said production and economy."
Incorrect. When a COLLECTIVE owns the means of production, then that COLLECTIVE is the STATE. I've explained this in the Public vs Private video, and have told people over and over to watch it, and they refuse to do so. Here's the link once more - https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
"There are many arguments against both the leftist and the rightist systems, but the ones you make against leftist economics seem largely uninformed and very basic in nature, and it is clear that it is due to a lack of knowledge on the subject. Otherwise, great content!"
Unlike Karl Marx or Engels, who both wrote a load of contradictory gibberish so as to hide their true intentions (again, I've been over some of this in the Public vs Private and Hitler's Socialism videos), my intention is clear up the newspeak and show exactly what they're saying in plain language. That isn't because I'm 'uninformed' or 'basic', it's because I want to boil it down so that everyone can understand it. The reason my arguments seem 'basic' is because there are fundamental contradictions, fallacies, and illogical statements being made by Leftists. For example, I've smacked down the Labour Theory of Value on at least two occasions now - without which, Marxism completely falls apart, since the entire ideology is based on the Labour Theory of Value. It's not because I 'don't understand' or am 'basic', it's because the fundamental principles of Leftism are contradictory and make no logical sense when you say them out loud in plain language.
Leftists don't like it when someone exposes their deeply flawed arguments, and then refuses to back down when they cry and scream in the comments, telling me I'm 'uninformed' or lack knowledge on the subject. If your arguments are poor, I will call you out on it regardless of your ideology.
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"most of the best movies that try to be historically based are the best there ever were. just to name a few: kingdom of heaven, 300, braveheart, ... the list goes on. all of them are inaccurate as hell, does that make them bad movies? nope. so stop saying people should be banned for making historically-based but inaccurate movies."
They're based on history. But they're not history. Therefore don't base them on history. If Hollywood can't do history right, then it shouldn't do history at all, because all it's doing is adding to the myths, distortions and misinterpretations that people have of history - which leads to wrong conclusions, and has massive and dangerous real-world consequences. Better to create such movies in fantasy worlds, than pretend they were what really happened.
"@TIK You are so wrong. Banning things is not the way to go. I hope you know better."
Absolutely - we don't want socialism dictating our lives. However, it should be common sense for these film studios not to make said films if they're not capable or skillful enough of doing it right. But they do, so I'm voting with my wallet and not giving another penny to such creations, as I would encourage all of you to do as well.
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"I think a lot of you (TIK included) are judging Churchill based entirely upon hindsight and your contemporary political sensibilities..."
I can't speak for the others, but my viewpoint isn't entirely from hindsight since the contemporaries (Dill, Auchinleck, Wavell etc) were all saying the same thing. In this video I'm judging him as a military leader based on his impact on this particular campaign (at least Compass to Crusader, plus Somaliland). Churchill was good with special-forces units (e.g. SAS and Paras, see my Bruneval video). And as a politician, Churchill was correct to put (some) pressure on his generals to fight battles. As a manager, you have to apply a bit of pressure on those below.
However, there comes a point where you have to realise that it's better to wait a little longer and win, than attack now and lose and drag out a campaign. And putting a ton of pressure on your generals when they're all saying the same thing "we need to wait" and then not realising that you're at fault - that's bad. And it's also not good to take units away from an army in pursuit of the enemy (which happened during Compass and also Crusader). I don't think that's hindsight talking since the guys at the time were saying the same thing.
And it's not political sensibilities from my part either - I understand that Churchill needed to show the Soviets and the USA that Britain was still fighting and doing everything it could. This explains why he put the pressue on the generals. But he put way too much pressure, and it wasn't all warranted.
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"An economic model based on production which no western economy has seen since the 1980s, though in reality much earlier."
This video was made by production. In fact, all YouTube videos are made by production. The device you're reading this comment on was made by production. Everything you consume was made by production. Tell me again how there's no production?
"I will just move my factory to China or India and undercut everyone else."
And provide cheap goods to the consumer? Sounds good to me.
"When the factory falls down and kills everyone, no big deal."
It is because you'll go out of business. You have an incentive to build factories that don't fall down. I'm guessing you've never worked in business.
"Billions who have no choice than to work 18 hour days in my unsafe factories because starvation and death or 'slavery' is not really a choice."
If they starve to death, they're not productive. The capitalist wants to keep his workers healthy. Also, those people have a choice not to work. If it's that bad, then they shouldn't work.
"In case you did not realise, it was not simple altruism that ended slavery in the British Empire, rather the economic reality that slaves cost more than paid workers and you do not have to cloth, feed and house paid workers."
Yes, classic liberalism and capitalism freed the slaves and ended serfdom.
"Now, those in the service sector of the government who the people vote for to improve their conditions I will just buy off to give me some nice tax breaks."
But they're not improving conditions at all. In fact, government regulations are causing unemployment, poor living standards, and the housing crisis here in the UK right now. And tax breaks are good for innovation and new technologies, as you saw in the video. Therefore, your entire argument is complete rubbish. You're playing on slogans like "stealing from the rich to give to the poor" and it just doesn't work.
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Wow! Thank you! That's great feedback!
I'm really happy to hear that you weren't flooded with too much information! That's one thing I have fretted over more than anything else - how to strike deliver a ton of information in a way which doesn't overwhelm the viewer, and also doesn't bore the regular viewers who have seen some of this information before.
Usually I resort to repetition because people take in information in different ways, so saying the same thing twice, in a different way, can help people understand. But I appreciate that it can get annoying and I've tried recently to minimize it. I also wanted everything to be short, sharp and sweet, so to hear that the pacing was right, is a relief!
Some people don't like it when I appear in the Battlestorm documentaries (they think it's egotistical, which is not the case). But I decided that I wanted to appear in the videos at points where I thought it was needed, and to give the video a bit of variety, like you mentioned. So I'm glad you liked the balance! Thank you for your feedback!
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The Red Menace - "If they abolished private property all factories would be run by the state, which they were not."
Of course they were run by the state. By law, individuals couldn't own property. Therefore, they cannot own businesses. The 'privatization' that took place, in fact, is a slight of hand. And there are many instances where the government exercised their power by seizing a person's personal property or businesses. The Nazis nationalized industries that didn't do as they insisted, then 're-privatized' them. But in reality those businesses could only function as part of the state, and were under control by the state, and weren't really owned by their owners.
"The Nazis viewed private property as conditional on its use - not as a fundamental right. If the property was not being used to further Nazi goals, it could be nationalized.” Temin, P576
“Prof. Junkers of the Junkers aeroplane factory refused to follow the government’s bidding in 1934. The Nazis thereupon took over the plant, compensating Junkers for his loss. This was the context in which other contracts were negotiated.” Temin, P576-577
“Manufacturers in Germany were panic-stricken when they heard of the experiences of some industrialists who were more or less expropriated [had their property seized] by the State. These industrialists were visited by State auditors who had strict orders to “examine” the balance sheets and all bookkeeping entries of the company (or individual businessman) for the preceding two, three, or more years until some error or false entry was found. The slightest formal mistake was punished with tremendous penalties. A fine of millions of marks was imposed for a single bookkeeping error. Obviously, the examination of the books was simply a pretext for partial expropriation of the private capitalist with a view to complete expropriation and seizure of the desired property later. The owner of the property was helpless, since under fascism there is no longer an independent judiciary that protects the property rights of private citizens against the state. The authoritarian State has made it a principle that private property is no longer sacred.” - Reimann, Chapter II (no page number, as on Kindle)
Reimann, in 1939, quotes from a German businessman’s letter to an American businessman -
“The difference between this and the Russian system is much less than you think, despite the fact that officially we are still independent businessmen.” “Some businessmen have even started studying Marxist theories, so that they will have a better understanding of the present economic system.” “How can we possibly manage a firm according to business principles if it is impossible to make any predictions as to the prices at which goods are to be bought and sold? We are completely dependent on arbitrary Government decisions concerning quantity, quality and prices for foreign raw materials.” “You cannot imagine how taxation has increased. Yet everyone is afraid to complain about it. The new State loans are nothing but confiscation of private property, because no one believed that the Government will ever make repayment, nor even pay interest after the first few years.” “We businessmen still make sufficient profit, sometimes even large profits, but we never know how much we are going to be able to keep…”
“The decree of February 28, 1933, nullified article 153 of the Weimar Constitution which guaranteed private property and restricted interference with private property in accordance with certain legally defined conditions … The conception of property has experienced a fundamental change. The individualistic conception of the State - a result of the liberal spirit - must give way to the concept that communal welfare precedes individual welfare. (Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz).” - Reimann, quoting from Jahrbuch des Oeffentlichen Rechtes der Gegenward, ed. by Otto Koellreuther (1935), p. 267.
National interests are - “made mainly by the Nazi party, or, rather, by its leaders, that is, by the State bureaucracy. It is a principle that only Party members shall occupy key positions in the government and in all organizations where the State influences the distribution of jobs. They must be engaged whenever there is a choice between the Party member and non-Party member.” - Reimann.
“The influence of the Party cannot be seen in laws, but in practice, and personalities are the important factor. A large number of the ministers [at present all ministers] are Party members.” - Ministerialdirektor Sommer, spokesman for Rudolph Hess, in the Deutsche Juristenzeitung of May 21, 1936.
Schacht centralized and heavily regulated the electricity production industry, which then sparked a new plan of economic administration. This was all in 1935. [Tooze's Wages of Destruction P111-112]
"...in practice the Reichsbank and the Reich Ministry of Economic Affairs had no intention of allowing the radical activists of the SA, the shopfloor militants of the Nazi party or Gauleiter commissioners to dictate the course of events. Under the slogan of the 'strong state', the ministerial bureaucracy fashioned a new national structure of economic regulation." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112
“We worked and governed with incredible elan. We really ruled. For the bureaucrats of the Ministry the contrast to the Weimar Republic was stark. Party chatter in the Reichstag was no longer heard. The language of the bureaucracy was rid of the paralysing formula: technically right but politically impossible.” - Schacht, speaking of the situation after 1933. Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112-113
"It would be absurd to deny the reality of this shift. The crisis of corporate capitalism in the course of the Great Depression did permanently alter the balance of power. Never again was big business to influence the course of government in German as directly as it did between the outbreak of World War I in 1914 and the onset of the Depression in 1929. The Reich's economic administration, for its part, accumulated unprecedented powers of national economic control." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P113
“Control over domestic resources was paralleled by centralized control over imports. Both countries [Nazi and Soviet] controlled and restricted international trade.” Temin, P580
"Both governments reorganized industry into larger units, ostensibly to increase state control over economic activity. The Nazis reorganized industry into 13 administrative groups with a large number of subgroups to create a private hierarchy for state control. The state therefore could direct the firms’ activities without acquiring direct ownership of enterprises. The pre-existing tendency to form cartels was encouraged to eliminate competition that would destabilize prices.” Temin, P582-583
Therefore, what we have here is a planned socialist economy, not capitalism.
Sources -
Temin, P. “Soviet and Nazi Economic Planning in the 1930s.” From The Economic History Review, New Series, Vol. 44, No. 4 (Nov., 1991), pp. 573-593 (21 pages). Jstor. https://www.jstor.org/stable/2597802?seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents
Tooze, A. “Wages of Destruction: The Making & Breaking of The Nazi Economy.” Penguin Books, 2007.
Reimann, G. “The Vampire Economy: Doing Business under Fascism.” Kindle, Mises Institute, 2007. Originally written in 1939.
(Accessed 04/10/2018)
https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Reichstagsbrandverordnung
http://home.wlu.edu/~patchw/His_214/_handouts/Weimar%20constitution.htm
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Weimar_constitution
http://www.zum.de/psm/weimar/weimar_vve.php
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Socialism isn't one thing, but your example proves a point. State intervention is socialism. Liberal policies come under this bracket too (although only slightly). And, the rise in socialism directly correlates with the decline in political liberalism in the post-WW1 era. This is why the Liberal Party in Britain was out in 1921, and was replaced by the Labour Party which, in the 40s and 50s, was socialist. The point is, socialism is a spectrum; it is not a defined thing.
Contrast this to Laissez-faire - or leave alone - which is no government intervention in the economy. This is what most conservative capitalist governments favour at the time (and now).
National Socialism was absolutely state intervention and socialism. Think of the Brownshirts (SA) which existed until 1945 and conducted many of the Nazis "social" policies. Think of the Hitler Youth, which was promoting Aryanism and the "all Germans are equal, all other races are bad" mentality. Yes there was private companies, and individuals, but as I said, this was all working towards the state, which had a hand in everything.
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@untruelie2640 I've just double-checked our previous conversations via my comment search, and it went exactly like this: you said I was wrong. I said I was using the historical definitions. You said "there is also a wider definition of socialism; a more descriptive one that is often used in the discipline of political theory." So I said:
"Okay, despite the fact that the historical definition is clear, I'll bite. What is this "wider" definition you speak of?"
Your reply was: "I tried to explain it above. I don't think that ANY definition outside of natural science is really clear or agreed on by everyone. At least that was one of the things I learned when I studied philosophy."
In other words, your definition of socialism is "it depends and it's not agreed on". Well, it's no wonder I and Second Thought reject that definition because that's not a definition. You have failed to define socialism. In reply to other users you also said you reject "absolute definitions", and then proceeded to call anyone who defines things "dogmatic", whilst at the same time saying to them: "Claiming that YOUR personal conviction is the one and only absolute truth in the universe is not only unscientific but also rather narcisistic. That's simply the nature of a pluralistic world."
It's not "personal" or a conviction. EVERY socialist who can actually define socialism, every political thinker, every historian, the dictionary, numerous other sources, all point to the same definition. When socialism is attempted the results are unanimous - totalitarianism and state ownership or control of the means of production. We have a convergence of evidence on this matter conclusively proving what the definition is. But you selfishly reject this, and when asked to give a definition, you then proceed to write paragraphs of purple prose that doesn't actually define anything.
You have failed to define socialism because you either don't know what it is, or because your belief in the Hegelian religion (which you admit elsewhere) hinders your cognitive development. Like a typical dialectic materialist, you don't believe in definitions simply because defining what socialism is opens "The Idea" to criticism. Well, I don't believe in Cosmism, and I don't believe in Hegelian logic emotionalism, so I'll stick to the evidence which all points to the same conclusion. Socialism is state ownership or control of the means of production. If you disagree, you'll have to come up with a concrete definition for me to challenge you on. Failure to even do that is to admit that you're wrong, at which point this conversation is over. I'm not going to waste my time with someone who accuses me of being wrong but can't define the thing I'm supposedly wrong about. If you can't define it, you can't prove I'm wrong.
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Good question. The Soviets seemed to be feeding green troops into the battle, piecemeal, while the Germans had numerical superiority, and panzer, Sturmgeschutz, artillery and Stuka support. The Germans had veteran troops but fewer replacements, so they were more experienced and probably knew how to fight. This episode shows, though, that when the Germans brought up their own green troops (the 18 and 19 years olds) they got slaughtered. So I think, in this case, these factors largely explain why Paulus lost fewer troops per day on average than Chuikov's battered army.
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They're obsessed because I'm attacking the one thing that underpins their entire argument: the idea that they are MORALLY right.
They can deny all other facts because they believe that they're 'helping' people. Well, turns out that they're liars, murders and thieves, and they're doing the exact opposite - hurting people. That's why they're upset.
I'm devoted to this for two reasons: 1, I'm dedicated to the truth (and I've spotted a lie that must be pointed out); and 2, they were the ones who attacked me first, so in reality I'm defending myself from them. They're trying to undermine all my work with the claim that I only know about 'tanks', which is complete rubbish. According to them, my "reputation" is in the gutter. For months (and even now) I've suffered from harassment from these people in the comments saying how terrible I am and how bad I am at what I do and that I shouldn't be trusted. Many believed them, and still do. Then I released my Hitler's Socialism video, and that threw a spanner in their works. It turns out that I do know what I'm talking about. But the damage is done. Many of my subscribers no longer trust me on anything other than the 'tank' issue... So, if I am continue doing any history videos whatsoever, I have to defend myself from these people, and I have to prove to everyone that there are huge lies within the narrative of history that are being supported by these Socialist ideologues, otherwise we'll not perceive history correctly, and thus (since history is the study of the human condition https://youtu.be/PvpJEc-NxVc ) we won't have a correct view of the world we live in, or of ourselves.
And the best defense is a good offense :)
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"@TIK no you didn't, you failed to respond real arguments coming form socialist channels."
Mat, the "real" arguments are about as "real" as "real socialism". Half of them boiled down to "no, you're wrong", even though they'd written hundreds of words. Much like Das Kapital, there was no substance to their arguments. It was just opinions without facts. That's why I was able, when I did stand my ground, to tackle them. Go check those comments sections again and see my more recent messages and you will see.
And I got 1,300 comments in the first 3 hours - and I simply wasn't able to respond to them all, which is when people started crying that "TIK's not responded to me, therefore I'm right". That's a common tactic of the far-left, downvote brigade videos you don't like. Best part is the hundreds of people screaming "I'm unsubscribing" and then only actually having about 30 people unsubscribe.
"You are completely ideologically biased, exchanges with you are pointless, you are only trying to inflate your comments section, you are only recycling the same old refuted BS..."
I can summarize what you just said as - "no, you're wrong". Why haven't you answered my statement about the Marx and Engels definition of socialism? Oh, that's right, because it invalidates every counterargument made.
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"But what has happened in Russia is not real Socialism."
Marx/Engels wrote Das Kapital Volume 3 and said "socialized man, the producers" "in common control" of hte means of production is socialism.
In short, socialism is : "the social group called the workers should be in common-control of the means of production". Ok, so what exactly does this mean?
Well, since businesses and factories can't produce anything without people, the "means of production" is just a fancy way of saying "people".
Now we have - "the social group called the workers should be in common-control of the people".
But wait a second, the workers in control of the people? How can that be? That doesn't make much sense.
Well, what Marx meant by the phrase "socialized man, the producers [workers]" was a group of people called the "workers" being in charge of other people. This could take the form of a worker's council (in Russian, council is the word "soviet") or a "dictatorship of the proletariat". Either way, one group of people are in "common-control" of another group of people.
So what does this "common-control" thing actually mean? It means a rejection of individualism, in favour of the collective. Individuals are no longer in control of their own life, since they are slaves to the public-collective. A "public" is, by definition, not private. This is why the public-sector means state/government while private-sector means non-state/individual. So in reality, common control actually means state-control.
Now we have the definition of Marxism -
A dictatorship in total-control of the people (in the name of the "workers").
"NO! This is distortion of History. Find me where this was ever written."
This is why socialism manifests itself as this over and over. The theory written down sounds nice, but the reality is that the words have been masked to hide their true meaning. You wrote that the idea itself is noble and inspiring. Yes, but only on the surface. The reality is that millions of people are being duped by what actually is a terrible ideology that power-mongers are happy to latch onto in order to get into power. It is deceptive from its very core.
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You can't avoid being biased - everyone is biased. But what you can do is eliminate a significant amount of "unobjectivity" (which is the thing you're actually trying to avoid as a historian). You can't become 100% objective, but you can aim for it.
The best way to become unobjective is to look at both sides - both alternative arguments. So for example if Argument A was that Hitler was blonde, and Argument B was that Hitler was Bald, you've got to look deeply into both arguments. Start with the first argument, and see if you can construct reasons and evidence as to why that is likely to be the case. Then look at the second argument and do the same. Give equal chance to both sides. Then, once both arguments are made, look at both and see which one makes the most logical sense to you given the evidence. Sometimes there's not a right answer, but when you do make a decision, it's probably best to think "I'm siding with this argument for now until I see better evidence" rather than saying "I'm siding with this argument, and nothing can change my mind", if that makes sense.
This is quite a deep topic. I'll make a note to cover it in a future History Theory video because I could discuss this a lot.
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The more people tell me not to do something, the more I do it.
This is precisely why I read up on Mises and Rothbard. Everyone was screaming at me for "just believing Mises and Rothbard" when I hadn't actually read them. After arguing back that I hadn't read them, I began to wonder why they were so adamant that I had read them. So I picked up some of Mises' books (like his book "Socialism", and later his "Omnipotent Government") and realized that I'd independently come to the same conclusions as them regarding National Socialism based on the evidence, and then discovered that their economics was not only far superior to all the socialist "economics" (politics) that I was brainwashed with, but it opened my eyes to an entirely different way of looking at the world that wasn't what I had presumed the "conservative extremist right-wing racist nut-job" world view to be.
Turns out that Mises and Rothbard aren't conservatives, aren't extremists, aren't "right-wing", aren't "racists", aren't sexists, and aren't nut-jobs... It turns out that all those insults are just that - insults, designed to make people assume the worst and therefore not pick up their books in the first place. But actually, their books make a lot more sense than the nonsense that Marx, Keynes or any of the lamestream media come out with.
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"In a centralized economy, value is produced and profits are distributed or allocated by a central (i.e. governmental) authority.
In a decentralized economy value is produced by virtue of the market, and profits are distributed by entrepreneurs by way of salaries or payments to shareholders, and also through taxation.
This is to provide to more or less strict control of the authority which is expected to regulate, but not to allocate."
A couple of points here. 1. Yes I agree with you that Hitler's economy was much more of the top than the bottom. 2. the bottom one is not a free market because it has taxation (which is state manipulation of the market). Same with regulation, inflation, central banking etc.
"In the end, it seems to me that Nazi Germany had a centralized economy much like the Soviet one, so it is my opinion that racism has little to do with economic organization."
So let me try explain it a different way. In the Soviet (or Marxist) socialist system, it's a central controlled economy. But hypothetically it's for the 'proletariat' or the 'workers' rather than the 'bourgeoisie'. So you have socialism (state control) and Marxism (class).
Well, the same thing applies to Hitler's Third Reich. It's a centrally controlled economy, but it's for the 'German (Aryan)' or the 'race' rather than the 'Jews' or 'international finance'. So you have socialism (state control) and Nationalism '(race' in this case, not nationality).
Now yes, Hitler is also against Marxism (class), for various reasons, but that doesn't make him a capitalist, nor does it mean that he didn't have any interest in economics, or that economics wasn't important etc.
"After all, didn't Hitler and his followers rely on a common anti-jew sentiment by the German population, just in order to tighten their political control over the population?
Personally, I'm convinced that one is economic, the other is purely political."
This is going to be a video in the future, but I'll give a brief explanation here. Hitler believed in the 'primacy of politics' over economics. Economics came second to him. Economics had to bow down to politics. So he was willing to compromise on the economic front when it suited him. This is why you have elements of 'capitalism' (not actual capitalism, but what socialists believe capitalism is) left in the economy, such as the 'privatization' of the industries, and 'profits'. There's also the point that Hitler couldn't really implement his socialism fully until he'd conquered Lebensraum, which he never did.
Hitler socialized the economy, and removed the Jews from the economy. He took their businesses off them, stole their wealth, and eventually murdered them. In this instance, the politics and the economics are linked so tightly in both the theory and practice of it that distinguishing between the two is pretty much impossible. It's a 'chicken and the egg' situation.
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Maarten, consider this - Marx/Engels said in Das Kapital volume 3, "socialized man" in "common control" of the means of production is socialism. Therefore, if the socialized-race is in common control of means of production, which is what Hitler himself said, then that is socialism.
Also, saying National-Socialism is socialism didn't attract National Socialists at all, because I also said they were just like the Marxists. In those videos, you have a united-Left, both the National Socialists and Marxist Socialists all in union together against the idea that they are alike in any way. But to anyone who isn't a socialist, the differences are minimal. This is why the Left's identity politics includes racism.
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@Edax_Royeaux "As TIK would say, history is the debate."
Yes, but a debate requires both sides to listen and be honest in their responses. You guys are not listening, and your arguments regarding what socialism and capitalism are lack both evidence and logic. In addition, your responses are about as dishonest as they come.
I've seen the video you've pointed to, and it's made by someone who decided one day to pull out the hat the idea that I was a secret Nazi anti-Semite. ZERO evidence for said claim - he just made it up on the spot, much like he's making up what he's saying in the video. The guy is an absolute dishonest scumbag, and the fact that you've recommended people to go watch that video is proof in the pudding that you're a waste of time to debate with. The guy is a smearer and slanderer, and it's a waste of time responding to him. Here is some of the stuff he's said about me in a comment from 7 months ago (his spelling mistakes included):
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"AS for your second paragraph, utter projection. You have frequently equated capitalism with Jews in order to further a narrative. You are a racist antisemite that distorts the history of the holocaust to fit your narrative.
"-You completely ignores the history of the Jewish Left
"-You advance an anti-Semitic argument, associating Jews with capitalism....which erases the history of the Jewish working class + racist stereotyping.
"-Your attempts to paint the Nazi persecution of Jews as an anti capitalist endeavor, this is false since the Nazis persecuted Jews of all occupations etc.
"Your attitude towards Jews reminds me of Goering’s statement “I will decide who is a Jew”. Utterly reprehensible.
"AS for your drivel about “not truuuu privitsation” + “not truuuuuu capitalism”, your lies and myths were settled at the Krupp, IG Farben, Flick etc. trials. Your revisionist history is ridiculous."
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(More quotes from him elsewhere responding to my viewers:)
"TIK, thinks McDonalds and Amazon are socialist'..he also thinks Jews controlled the Chinese economy before the communist revolution. He is a anti-Semitic loon."
"Cry more, he is an anti-Semite who thinks the Jews controlled the Chinese economy."
"Again, why do you defend a fool who thinks the economy of China was controlled by the "Judeo Bourgeoise"?"
"The man is clearly a delusional anarcho-capitalist(which is an oxymoronic ideology), I despise people who pretend to be impartial when they clearly not. His ideology has made him so deranged that he prefers to listen to halfwits like Samuels(who is not a respected historian) over Evans and Kershaw."
"Its hilarious isn't it? He calls us antisemites when he constantly claims that Jews=bourgeoise..which is not only extremely wrong but also extremely anti-Semitic."
"TIK is lying when he claims that the means of production were socialised...as you state, the means of production were mostly in private hands(like the other capitalist nations of the second world war). See Krupp, IG Farben etc. What a dishonest hack."
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"Complete BS. Even the Estonian historians, like Mart Laar can't lie much because the number of deported Estonians is well established from the archival data. They are claiming that 10,000 were exiled in 1941. The actual number is 9156, of whom 3178 were arrested and sent to camps and 5978 to settlements in remote areas of the USSR."
@simplicius, are you seriously arguing over 844 people? 9,156 people vs 10,000 people is 844. Not that I agree with your source, since mine states more than that, but stating such a low difference in the claimed numbers completely undermines your argument as "proof" that Estonian historians are lying. This is hilarious.
Also, considering the population of Estonia was only around 1.1 million people, having 60,000 people (my source) taken from them does mean that many people would have known someone who was taken since that is 5.4% of the country.
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You're mixing two sets of statistics there. There wasn't 22 million Soviets on the Eastern Front at any moment in time. The most there was at any moment was 6.9 million (in late July 1943). When the Axis peaked at 4 million in early July 1943, there was 6.7 million Soviets on the Eastern Front. When the war began, the Axis had 3.957 million men on the Eastern Front, and the Soviets had 2.74 million. Axis outnumber the Soviets until December of 1941, when the Soviets finally gain parity with the Axis. They then go on to outnumber the Germans (roughly 2 to 1) for the rest of the war - and I look at and provide the full statistics in the video.
In 1941 and 1942, Germany was not fighting multiple fronts. The North African Campaign at this time was just 2-3 divisions. The Eastern Front dwarfed that. British bombing was the only bombing they had to contend with until mid-1942 because the US hadn't even arrived yet.
"Numbers only are not giving an accurate picture of anything, but even the number only approach make the Wehrmacht look far superior."
Yes, the numbers do show that the Wehrmacht was far superior in 1941 when they outnumbered the Soviets, caught the Soviets in the middle of mobilisation, and caught them completely by surprise. Funny though that that's when some historians think they lost the war, and when you look at Operation Barbarossa, it wasn't as sooth as some of the German generals made it out to be.
"Forget about the numbers and think out of the math box. History and the world is not simply black and white like number crunching. It's simply not that simple."
It is not, however the point of the video was to show that people's perceptions of the war are based on what the German generals told you happened. Pick up an English-language history book on the Eastern Front of WW2 (there are some exceptions but these are more recent and few) and you will find that they are relying almost entirely on German sources. Go to Amazon and look up WW2, you'll get biography after biography on German generals, and German units, and German operations. Then try find the Soviet biographies, units or operations... There's barely any! This is a massive bias towards the Germans!
And of course the Germans are going to say how superior they area - they're not going to admit how bad they were. No, when they make mistakes, they blame people who are dead - Hitler, Göring... or people who do not have credibility to defend themselves after the war, like Paulus (hint - he wasn't as passive as the other German generals made him out to be). Guderian lies through his teeth about Barbarossa. Manstein lies through his teeth about Stalingrad. Raus gets his dates mixed up - a period of 3 days of combat near Stalingrad is made out to have actually taken place in 1 day in Raus's memoirs (13th to 15th of December 1942) - let alone several other holes in his account.
In history, you have to read ALL the sources. Soviet sources (and yes, some are unreliable, just like the German sources are unreliable) need to be read too. The only way to get an accurate picture of the war is to take both sides of the story and compare them against each other. That is the closest you'll get to the truth. And unfortunately, the vast majority of historians who have written books on the Eastern Front have not done this. Mainly this is because the Soviet archives have been unaccessable for over 70 years, and this has caused a warping in our perceptions on the Eastern Front. This is why I made this video, to shake that perception. Unfortunately, a lot of people are unwilling to at least consider that there is such a huge bias, even though it's blatantly obvious one exists.
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Simple! Don't have a house, dog, car, wife, or kids.
Ok, I'm sorta joking... but not really. The reality is, time flies when you get older because you have less of it to spare. Most of it is spent on auto-pilot just doing things you do every day, like the dishes etc. So you forget about most of it, and then the years zoom by.
I'm 31, happily single (don't have to be, I've turned down two opportunities to get married so far), and while I like pets and whatnot, they're not a priority to me. I think you have to choose what you want in life. If you choose to have a family and lots of friends and partying and watching TV and etc, fair enough. But if I choose to put my hobbies and careers first (I suddenly sound like a feminist!) then those other things will have to wait. Significant amounts of time can be saved by simply prioritizing (although if you've already got a family, you can't/shouldn't deprioritze them).
That said, there's a few more pieces of advice I can give you -
First is: don't sacrifice your sleep. Get at least 8 hours of sleep per night minimum. Why? If you do just 30 minutes of work per day, you'll get the most out of it if you're not trying to stay awake. This is something that's boosted my productivity massively. I used to think doing 80 hours a week was good. Now I realise that I can do 90 hours worth of work in about 70 hours by just getting more hours sleep. In fact, I went out on Saturday for the first time in a couple of months, ended up messing up my sleep cycle, and it's Wednesday now and my sleep/work pattern still hasn't fully recovered. Concentration and focus for the last few days has been down as a result. And yet there's people out every weekend - really isn't good for their brains, their wallets, or their productivity.
Second is: go to bed early and get up early. If you have kids that get up at say 8am, there's nothing stopping you getting up at 7am and doing an hours' worth of work in that super-quiet hour before they're even up. In fact, I get up at 7am every day regardless (that was until this Saturday, but tomorrow I will be back to 7am haha). This does require discipline on your part, and going to bed early. However chances are you should be going to bed earlier anyway. Super relevant and important video, even though it's long - https://youtu.be/pwaWilO_Pig
Third is: find whatever minutes you can throughout the day. Got a spare 10 minutes? Use it. Realise you can stop watching that one TV show and go do something productive instead. Do it. Got a thousand apps on your phone? Delete them all. You'll be surprised by how much time you waste per day doing things like checking your phone. It's pointless stuff. Stop doing it.
Fourth is: if you can pay your kids to do the washing up, pay them to do the washing up. If not them, someone else. Save time by paying other people for their services to free up your time, even if it's just an hour of your time. This may make you poorer in the short-term, but this is a capital investment to free up your time. This 'bought' time could also be used so that you can work on that project that may provide you with more income later. This is actually the basis of the capitalist system - capitalists take a risk by investing their money in production they believe in. In this case, you're paying someone else so you can be more productive. It's still a capital investment, and it's still a risk, but it may also pay off in the long-run. Similarly, if you can purchase a product that will help reduce the time it takes to create the product that you want to create, buy it!
Fifth is: plan, plan, plan, plan, plan, plan, PLAN. Did I mention planning? Plan to plan. On the drive to work: plan. On the way to drop the kids off at school: plan. Are you doing the dishes because you don't have any spare money to follow my fourth point? PLAN. You can be x10 more efficient if you've planned out your spare time in advance. Plan your day and stick to it. Calendars, schedules and routines are there for a reason - use them. Efficiency often comes from planning.
And yes, I spent way too long on this comment, which only you and maybe three other people will ever read. Not an efficient use of my time, but so long as you get something out of it, I think it'll be worth it. Cheers!
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@albertarthurparsnips5141 "He has an….interesting….habit of ignoring the existence of what is, in fact, a legion of critics"
You realise that the 5 hour Hitler's Socialism video was a direct to response to those 'legion' of critics? And what did they do? Nothing. They dismissed it completely and didn't watch it.
I then shortened it down into a 42 minute video, thinking that the length was the issue the first time round. I added in extra details, updated my sources, and published. Guess what, they ignored it too. Not only did they not watch it fully, they didn't even watch the first minute, as I deliberately put something in the first minute KNOWING full well that they would bring that up in their "debunking" comments. And, no surprise, they spouted the very thing I addressed in that first minute of the video. In fact, if you look at my responses to these comments, you'll see me and my viewers calling them out over and over, but they still REFUSE to watch the video.
So yes, I've learnt my lesson. My critics aren't listening, and I've tried and tried to get them to do so, only to feel so frustrated that I can't even get them to watch a minute of a video. So I've now decided to take a stand. I will listen to my critics, but I won't necessrily respond to them. I will only respond to those that take me seriously, which my critics clearly have not.
Respect is earned, not taxed. And if my critics continue to slander and smear me, dismiss all my evidence, not engage honestly in the discussion, and then act triumphant if and when I do respond, then I'm not interested. I'll give them what they deserve: silence.
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"Self-Care is important. I've worked in the museum and public history field the last few years, and this kind of work on top of what we deal with personally can have a impact."
I honestly think people don't realise how much reading, studying, script-writing, recording, graphic design and editing goes into making series like Battlestorm or TIKhistory. These Q&As are not visually great, but the reading is quite substantial. I read a good portion of 4 books specifically for this video, and a chapter from Beevor's book as well. This is why I've been doing 70 hours a week on average in order to get everything done (average has just dipped below 70 as a result of this week just gone).
"If it helps, I can provide what I have for sources or work if you ever want to touch upon the Far East."
Thanks you, but I'm ok for the moment, simply because I'm focusing on the Eastern Front and North Africa (current plan is Courland, then Stalingrad, then back to NA). I will probably get to the Far East at some point, but with the workload, I absolutely have to focus on a handful of topics at a time. This is why I'm hopeful to recruit an editor (and maybe a research assistant at some point) in order for me to concentrate on the research and scriptwriting, and also get these videos out faster and/or improve the quality.
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I'm liking your comment on the basis of the acknowledgement that Nazism is a religious movement. I'll be honest, I thought the religious aspects of National Socialism were just an added extra to maybe convince some Christians that they were on the same team. However, I now realise that the religious elements are actually central to the whole thing. This is an actual cult. From the symbols, to the "mesmeric" speeches, the rambling sermon that is Mein Kampf, the "stand fast" orders, the Volkssturm, the Volksgemeinschaft, the working towards the Führer, the way that Hitler's disciples were all spellbound by him... It all just makes sense when you see Hitler as a cult Leader (a Führer).
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"It’s hard to dispute Germany war propaganda when today many of their narratives, at least on the fundamental level, are validated."
I don't necessarily agree with this part. You have to realise that there's no such thing as "volk" or "races", or any of this nonsense. You're an individual, not a group. Nazi propaganda may seem validated, but only if you buy into the idea of "Volk" or "race". If you don't, then the narrative crumbles.
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...and the Australians, the New Zealanders, the Indians, Rhodesians etc
I discuss the supply situation in my upcoming Battleaxe video, but I'm not entirely convinced that Rommel is 100% to blame for the bad supply situation, like some historians suggest he is. Yes, his supply chain was stretched as a result of his leap across the desert shown in this video, but the reality was that it was already bad, and this only made it worse.
But if he had been supplied correctly, it's likely he could have swept into Egypt in 1941. There were times where the British forces facing him were decimated and barely had any tanks left (e.g. after Brevity and after Battleaxe) and if he could have sent just one of his divisions ahead, it's unlikely anything could have stopped him short of Alexandria.
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"Long time fan here and I do feel guilty for not being a Patreon of yours. I am struggling financially with this CPI being over 10% since JULY 2022!"
Don't feel guilty. You cannot help others until you help yourself. Right now is a very difficult time for a lot of people, and while I think we could all do with more money, I'm not starving. So I'd rather you look after yourself first and get yourself into a comfortable position before you even consider sending a dollar my way.
On this note, I would encourage you to watch Aaron Clarey's videos (link in description). He's an educated economist (but not woke, he's the opposite), and his content (including his books) can really help you financially, but also in general.
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"I really don't want to find myself in 2030, being happy and owning nothing... definitely will never move to Oxford."
I'm not saying you should do it, and you should definitely do your own reading and research before you do, but in order to avoid the "own nothing" crowd, a little bit of gold and silver can go a long way. You'll need your side hustle up and running first though... but it's something to consider for when you have LONG TERM savings.
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"You've been a socialist and you now know the cure."
That's the problem, I don't think I do. You cannot give people the "Red Pill", they have to want to take it themselves, which they don't want to do. That's why I often complain that my critics aren't listening, because they're not.
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"I am now sure that this is your calling. Don't give up..."
I need to figure out a way to make them listen. If I can do that, I can get through to them. But I need help with this.
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"don't criticise the establishment"
But I want too! 😂
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"Don't forget that you are addressing a lot of people that don't take the time to criticise you."
I don't want to just be preaching to the choir.
Thank you for your message!
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If those jobs provided a stable income, why was he constantly asking his mommy and Engels, and everyone else, for money all the time?
“Throughout his life he appealed over and again for handouts from every friend or relative he could think of, even eventually from one of his grown children.” - Muravchik, “Heaven on Earth" Chapter 3.
When a friend and devoted comrade died, Marx inherited £900, which should have lasted him two to three years. But he managed to blow through it in just over a year.
“As Engel’s fortune grew, so did his generosity, but Marx always adjusted his standard of living to a level above what he received. Thus he was never out of debt, and he never stopped asking Engels for more.” “At one stage Engels moved into cheaper lodgings so as to spare more for Marx. He did all of this out of something more than friendship: he was convinced that Marx was producing a great work that would be the touchstone of the communist movement.” - Muravchik, “Heaven on Earth" Chapter 3.
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@HistoryOfSocialism "Anarchism is NOT the lack of a state anarchism is the political project of removing all illegitimate hierarchy."
Anarchy is about removing all hierachies. A "every man for himself" sort of thing. It is not about removing illegitimate hierarchy - it's all hierarchies.
A hierarchy is a state. A state can be as small as one household. The head of the household has power over those below and thus hierarchy. A 'collective' has power over the individual members, and thus is a hierarchy. You cannot go against the group, and therefore you are obeying the hierarchy of the group.
"Democratic workers councils etc are a legitimate form of hierarchy"
They are a hierarchy. A group has power over you, so therefore you are subserviant to the group. The group itself is the hierarchy, thus an organized group cannot be anarchic.
"but things like societal racism and sexism are hierarchies that are illegitimate."
Because they judge people by their skin colour, their sex, or their class, and that's why they're illegitimate. If you think people are guilty by association with the group, then you are by that nature judging people by their skin colour, their class or their sex, either through positive or negative judging. All collectivist group-thinking is immoral for this reason, not just the ones you personally think are bad. Judging people by their 'class group' is just as immoral as judging someone by their 'racial group'. Murdering people for their race is wrong, just like murdering people because of their class is wrong.
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So hold on, first you said that 2 million held the 6th Army in Stalingrad. Now you've revised that, and are now saying that the 6th Army killed 1.4 million Soviets on its own, and then just 600,000 Soviets held the 300,000 6th Army inside the pocket. Let me point out a few problems with this.
First you've made an outlandish claim, and insulted two people by calling them retards for not knowing that this claim was clearly true. Now, when you were called out on it, you've revised your numbers (showing that your stance is deeply flawed). These revised numbers are taken out from the wider context, which is vitally important, and without which it leads people to the incorrect conclusions.
Second, Glantz places the total number of men in the Fronts participating in the Stalingrad counteroffensive (Operation Uranus) as 1,042,218. [Table 11, Endgame at Stalingrad]. Not all of these man would have been committed to the offensive. Even if they were, that's not 2 million men, nor 1.4 million.
Third, the 6th Army was trapped in the pocket (and numbers vary for that) and let's assume it was 300,000 for a moment. Ok, but it wasn't 2 million vs 300,000. Because we know that it was 300,000 trapped in the pocket AFTER the offensive. Third Romanian Army was 155,000 men strong, Romanian forces under Fourth Panzer Army were 75,000 men strong, Fourth Panzer Army was somewhere in the region of 33,000, Sixth Army was 175,776 men strong. For opposing forces during Uranus, Glantz lists the total numbers in Table 23 as 1,042,218 Soviets (782,548 combat troops) vs 521,703 (234,252 combat).
Fourth, context is key. Just because the Soviets outnumber the Axis here does not mean they always outnumbered them. As I mentioned, 6th Army outnumbered Chuikov's army throughout the battle in the previous three months. Is it the Soviets' fault that they carefully husbanded their forces to mount a carefully planned counteroffensive? I don't think so, considering that the Germans were sending their reinforcements to Army Groups North and Centre during this period.
So, as you can see, I have done my research. You assume that I'm not working on my own Stalingrad documentary, and that I haven't done over 400,000 words of research so far. Don't assume that someone doesn't know what they're talking about. What you should have done in this case is asked for clarification rather than calling people "retarded".
Now onto your other points. 3,957,910 well prepared and equipped Axis troops strike 2,743,000 surprised, unprepared and ill-equipped Soviet troops on the 22nd of June 1941. The Soviets are overwhelmed and throw in reserves piecemeal against superior Axis numbers to get slaughtered, and the Axis capture 3 million Soviet prisoners, then starve them to death in the Reich's labour camps. And this shows you that the Germans are superior somehow? No, the Soviets were outnumbered until December 1941. Then it takes them a while to recover from this devastation, which they only do fully by the Kursk era.
So this is an unfair comparison simply because the Soviets were unexpectedly struck by the Germans in 1941. Because of this they always fought with a handicap until they wrestled the initiative off the Germans, which they did during Stalingrad. Therefore this isn't "superiority" on the German side. All it proves is that they got the first blow in.
And by Kursk, the tide of war had changed long ago.
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I never said a state can't exist. Rather, a state can exist, but if it does, it's only task is to protect us. It shouldn't intervene in the economy, because the more it does that, the worse the economy becomes, which is exactly the issue we've been having in recent decades. The state puts in more controls, more taxes, more currency printing, more propaganda, and manipulates interest rates at whim, with the result being a gradual decline in the standard of living. The more that "society" imposes it's will on the individual, the worse things become.
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28 February 1933 -
Order of the Reich President for the Protection of People and State
On the basis of Article 48 paragraph 2 of the Constitution of the German Reich, the following is ordered in defense against Communist state-endangering acts of violence:
§ 1. Articles 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124 and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. It is therefore permissible to restrict the rights of personal freedom [habeas corpus], freedom of (opinion) expression, including the freedom of the press, the freedom to organize and assemble, the privacy of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communications. Warrants for House searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.”
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Articles of the Weimar Constitution affected -
Article 115.
The dwelling of every German is his sanctuary and is inviolable. Exceptions may be imposed only by authority of law.
Article 153.
Property shall be guaranteed by the constitution. Its nature and limits shall be prescribed by law.
Expropriation [noun, the action by the state or an authority of taking property from its owner for public use or benefit.] shall take place only for the general good and only on the basis of law. It shall be accompanied by payment of just compensation unless otherwise provided by national law. In case of dispute over the amount of compensation recourse to the ordinary courts shall be permitted, unless otherwise provided by national law. Expropriation by the Reich over against the states, municipalities, and associations serving the public welfare may take place only upon the payment of compensation.
Property imposes obligations. Its use by its owner shall at the same time serve the public good....
By law, individuals couldn't own property. Therefore, they cannot own businesses. The 'privatization' that took place, in fact, is a slight of hand. And there are many instances where the government exercised their power by seizing a person's personal property or businesses. The Nazis nationalized industries that didn't do as they insisted, then 're-privatized' them. But in reality those businesses could only function as part of the state, and were under control by the state, and weren't really owned by their owners.
"The Nazis viewed private property as conditional on its use - not as a fundamental right. If the property was not being used to further Nazi goals, it could be nationalized.” Temin, P576
“Prof. Junkers of the Junkers aeroplane factory refused to follow the government’s bidding in 1934. The Nazis thereupon took over the plant, compensating Junkers for his loss. This was the context in which other contracts were negotiated.” Temin, P576-577
“Manufacturers in Germany were panic-stricken when they heard of the experiences of some industrialists who were more or less expropriated [had their property seized] by the State. These industrialists were visited by State auditors who had strict orders to “examine” the balance sheets and all bookkeeping entries of the company (or individual businessman) for the preceding two, three, or more years until some error or false entry was found. The slightest formal mistake was punished with tremendous penalties. A fine of millions of marks was imposed for a single bookkeeping error. Obviously, the examination of the books was simply a pretext for partial expropriation of the private capitalist with a view to complete expropriation and seizure of the desired property later. The owner of the property was helpless, since under fascism there is no longer an independent judiciary that protects the property rights of private citizens against the state. The authoritarian State has made it a principle that private property is no longer sacred.” - Reimann, Chapter II (no page number, as on Kindle)
Reimann, in 1939, quotes from a German businessman’s letter to an American businessman -
“The difference between this and the Russian system is much less than you think, despite the fact that officially we are still independent businessmen.” “Some businessmen have even started studying Marxist theories, so that they will have a better understanding of the present economic system.” “How can we possibly manage a firm according to business principles if it is impossible to make any predictions as to the prices at which goods are to be bought and sold? We are completely dependent on arbitrary Government decisions concerning quantity, quality and prices for foreign raw materials.” “You cannot imagine how taxation has increased. Yet everyone is afraid to complain about it. The new State loans are nothing but confiscation of private property, because no one believed that the Government will ever make repayment, nor even pay interest after the first few years.” “We businessmen still make sufficient profit, sometimes even large profits, but we never know how much we are going to be able to keep…”
“The decree of February 28, 1933, nullified article 153 of the Weimar Constitution which guaranteed private property and restricted interference with private property in accordance with certain legally defined conditions … The conception of property has experienced a fundamental change. The individualistic conception of the State - a result of the liberal spirit - must give way to the concept that communal welfare precedes individual welfare. (Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz).” - Reimann, quoting from Jahrbuch des Oeffentlichen Rechtes der Gegenward, ed. by Otto Koellreuther (1935), p. 267.
“The government of a totalitarian State would not be “authoritarian” if the courts still functioned independently, as they do under liberal capitalism.” “The division of power between the executive or legislative branch on the one hand and the judicial branch on the other was formerly a guarantee to the owner of private property that his property rights would be protected even against his own government. The totalitarian State, in abolishing this separation of power, abolishes the sanctity of private property, which thereupon ceases to be a basic principle of society fundamental to State morality.” “Constitutionally the businessman still enjoys guarantees of property rights. But what is the value of such constitutional guarantees without courts that dare to defy the omnipotent bureaucracy or to enforce laws that are “out of date”?” - Reimann.
“There exists no law which binds the State. The State can do what it regards as necessary, because it has the authority.” “The next stage of National-Socialist economic policy consists of replacing capitalist laws by policy.” - Fritz Nonnenbruch, the financial editor of the Voelkischer Beobachter (quoted by Reimann).
National interests are - “made mainly by the Nazi party, or, rather, by its leaders, that is, by the State bureaucracy. It is a principle that only Party members shall occupy key positions in the government and in all organizations where the State influences the distribution of jobs. They must be engaged whenever there is a choice between the Party member and non-Party member.” - Reimann.
“The influence of the Party cannot be seen in laws, but in practice, and personalities are the important factor. A large number of the ministers [at present all ministers] are Party members.” - Ministerialdirektor Sommer, spokesman for Rudolph Hess, in the Deutsche Juristenzeitung of May 21, 1936.
“The capitalist under fascism has to be not merely a law-abiding citizen, he must be servile to the representatives of the State. He must not insist on “rights” and must not behave as if his private property rights were still sacred. He should be grateful to the Fuehrer that he still has private property.” “This state of affairs must lead to the final collapse of business morale, and sound the death knell of the self-respect and self-reliance which marked the independent businessman under liberal capitalism.” - Reimann
“The life of the German businessman is full of contradictions. He cordially dislikes the gigantic, top-heavy, bureaucratic State machine which is strangling his economic independence. Yet he needs the aid of these despised bureaucrats more and more, and is forced to run after them, begging for concessions, privileges, grants, in fear that his competitor will gain the advantage.” - Reimann
“Such a system also changes the psychology of businessmen. Their experiences teach them that the old right of property no longer exists. They find themselves compelled to respect the “national interest” or the “welfare of the community.”” “Businessmen must claim that everything they do, any new business for which they want a certificate, any preferment in the supply of raw materials, etc., is “in the interest of the national community.”” - Reimann
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@jim George Gammon, Emil Kalinowski and Jeff Snyder all share the same view as "money and macro" guy. They don't believe that QE-infinity actually counts as expanding the "money supply".
That said, fiat isn't money. It's currency. Also, inflation isn't the rise in prices, it's the expansion of the currency supply itself. So there is inflation even if prices don't go up. You know this because that's why we get recessions and depressions every few years.
And prices are going up, but not every price because they're not physically printing cash, but rather expanding CREDIT for certain sectors. The massive housing bubble here in the UK, or in Australia or New Zealand, or many other countries around the world is a direct result of Central Bank credit expansion. The Bank of England's own YouTube channel says this - they openly admit it!
So yes, while they artificially set prices of wages, goods and services, taxes and interest rates, they're also pumping up certain sectors of the economy into a giant bubble. Even if the end result is hyperdeflation rather than hyperinflation, or hyperdisinflation, it doesn't matter, the fact remains that QE is inflation. And the 40% of your (and my) wages that go straight to taxation are perhaps the reason why we're not seeing ridiculously high goods prices. We're working to be robbed blind by our overlords who are telling us "you will own nothing and be happy".
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"Rhetorically speaking, however, the word "socialism" is highly problematic as it means so many things to so many people. I don't particularly find it useful any longer for this reason."
Socialism has a historical definition. It's only got that one definition. And I've explained this in-depth numerous times now, including in this video https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
When socialism was conceived, everyone knew that that was the definition. The issue was that when socialism got implemented, it ended up becoming a totalitarian nightmare. So the socialists were challenged on that definition. Since they couldn't admit that socialism was totalitarian in nature, they had to deny the very definition of socialism itself, which is what they continue to do.
The reason you can't define what socialism is, is because you've bought into the lie that socialism doesn't have a definition. But it does have a definition. It might "mean so many things to so many people", but I don't care. I'm going to use the FACTUALLY HISTORIC definition of what socialism is. If it rubs socialists up the wrong way, so be it.
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"The same can be said of "capitalism," a term that is used to describe free-market bottom-up systems as well as mercantile autarkies."
Again, socialists have twisted the definition entirely. If capitalism is "merchantile autarkies", then the inventor of the term "capitalism" was also wrong, since he (Karl Marx) described it as a free market ("Nature" or "natural" is one of the terms he used). Mercantilism and autarky are the opposite to private property, since the state is restricting my right to trade my private property abroad, or on certain markets. These two concepts are against the very idea of capitalism itself, which is why all the so-called "stakeholder capitalists" (e.g. Andrew Yang and Klaus Schwab) are in-fact socialists by another name.
Again, there is a historic definition of capitalism, and I explained it in this video https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
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As far as the rest of your argument, you would do well to read "Killing History" by L K Samuels. It will set you straight.
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"I think you are confused at this particular point. You think that you just described national socialism in your video independently from marxism and then these filthy commies came into your comment section talking about irrelevant marxist definitions. The problem is that it was you, and not us, who first compared nazism to marxism."
1) I never used the phrase "filthy commies". 2) I am being targeted by Marxists - these are the people who are strongly disagreeing with me over Marxism instead of socialism. 3) I am completely right in what I'm saying; Marx is irrelevent. Just like the Pope is irrelevent to Sunni Islam. 4) all I've said is that Hitler read Das Kapital, was influenced by it, and decided to create his own version of socialism. I did not compare Nazism to Marxism - that was all the Marxist in the comment section claiming that National Socialism wasn't Marxism - which I've never said it was. You all think there's one definitive version of Marxism, and that's absolutely not the case. So it is on your shoulders that this falls onto, not me. Go back and watch the videos again, and you will see that I didn't say National Socialism and Marxism were the same thing.
I did reply to people (after they made their comments) who were comparing the Soviet Union to National Socialism, but that was only in response to their accusations.
"Here, 6:45 , you start with explaining (not very accurately) ”traditional marxist theory”. Then at 7:18 you are directly connecting hitler to what you just presented as ”traditional marxist theory”. What was the point of you explaining marxist theory if its irrelevant to NS?"
It has its roots in Marxism, but it is not Marxism. Marxism (which came before) affects National Socialism (which came later), but National Socialism (which came later) does not affect Marxism (which came before). So, what Marx says is irrelevent to National Socialism, unless Hitler had a time machine.
"You yourself directly connected them to each other and then you are saying that it doesnt matter, that socialism existed before Marx."
I didn't directly connect them. I told the history of it, and explained the theory. I didn't say "these two are exactly the same". They exist in the same time frame as each other though, so as someone with a history channel who has plenty of videos on WW2 and the Axis-Soviet Front, I think it's fair to discuss them together and compare and contrast them.
"Why you didnt connect it to pre-marxist socialism then? It would literally make a whole lot more sense. Once again, you contradict yourself even in your own definitions."
I said National Socialism is socialism. That does not mean it's Marxist Socialism. This is what I'm saying. You and all the others who targetted this video took it to mean that, but that's not what was said.
"historically, more than 1/3 of land at 1960s was socialist camp. Is this not enough of historical relevance to you?"
This isn't about the 60s, nor do I don't see the relevence.
"Why do you want to bring social-democracies into there, whats the point?"
Because that's a form of socialism. They have socialist policies, therefore they're a form of socialism. It's something that occurred in history, and as someone who studies history, I look into these things.
"It only harms the understanding of what socialism historically is."
Let me finish that sentence for you. It only harms the understanding of what socialism historically is... if you think socialism just refers to Marxist Socialism.
"When we clearly separate different economic systems and give separate terms for certain policies, we give clear understanding of what is what, so that people can understand the essence of things, causes and consequences, and etc. Your definitions dont make anything more understandable, nor do they make the term more relevant. Its just watering down the definitions so people have no idea what socialism even is. Because such watered down definitions get popularized, we then have people who think that if X president in their country starts regulating something then they have communist infiltration."
Political theory bows to what happened in history, not the other way around. As someone who studies history, I do not bow to political ideology. Socialism is not JUST Marxist Socialism. It is all socialisms and socialist policies that have existed. Therefore, National Socialism was socialism.
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History Of Socialism "yes but man is a political animal we live in groups and we cannot escape that reality."
Individuals cooperate with each other. Individuals are not groups. Individuals working together may look like a group, and even act like a group when it comes to certain activities, but the group is always made up of individuals. A group is not an entity in itself, and we cannot escape that reality.
"The idea of anarchism is to minimise the influence of these groups over the individual"
Yes, which is why anarchism is on the Right of the political spectrum. https://images.app.goo.gl/q9S7qhZvRsBSZrSY9
"what is considered to be "neccessary" hierarchy"
Anarchists don't believe in hierarchy.
"such as democratic organisations and matters of education etc."
Democratic organisations are hierachies. Education systems and central planning are hierarchies. Anarchists want to abolish hierarchies for the benefit of the individual. Therefore they don't want democracy or organizations or education systems or central planning.
"one such illegitimate hierarchy they perceive is that in the work place where capitalists and managers have what anarchists consider to be too much power over there workers."
Anarchists are against all hierarchies, including this one, but also illegitimate hierarchies like groups who have too much power over others, such as collectives and trade unions.
"This is why anarchists want worker cooperatives and to remove capitalism."
No, anarchists don't want 'cooperatives' because they believe in anarchy - the end of cooperation. To cooperate is to submit to the group. That is to submit to the hierarchy.
"they want to abolish class as a system of hierarchy and that requires the removal of the capitalist class"
They also want to abolish a system of hierarchy where a collective group has power over others.
"Also your notion of left-wing as "collectivist" and right wing as "individualist" ... leads you to weird and silly conclusions like "fascism is leftwing"."
Collectivism is Left Wing, which is why socialists are on the Left and capitalists are on the Right. Fascism seeks a nationalist (group) government control of the economy, and National Socialism wants a racial (group) government control of the economy. They want to end the class-struggle brought on by the bourgeoisie (or the Jews in Hitler's case) by controlling the economy instead of leaving it up to the individual free market (capitalism). This is why they are on the Left.
"I agree that it's collectivist but "left" and "right" have broader meanings and connotations that your ignoring."
Then you agree they are on the Left. There are no other connotations. Socialism is the centralized collective group control of the economy. The German Race of the Fascist State are centralized collective groups in control of the economy.
"Right wing can also mean pro religion, pro tradition etc which have nothing to do with individualism."
An individual can be pro-religion or anti-religion. An individual can be pro-tradition or anti-tradition. The point of individualism (at least in the Classic-Liberal tradition) is that any individual can do what they want so long as they don't harm any one else. No body (corpse, corporation, syndicate, collective, group) gets to tell the individual what they can or gannot do, or what they can or cannot believe in, or what they can or cannot buy.
Some individuals on the Right may believe in religion, and others may not believe in religion. It doesn't mean the Right are all religious or pro-religion. But it does mean that others, the state or the group cannot force someone to be religious or non-religious. An individual can be what ever they want to be, and believe what they want to believe, so long as they don't harm anyone else in the process. That is incredibly freeing and innovative, which is why the Right stands for innovation, liberty, free speech, property rights to the individual and progress.
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I'm glad you're enjoying them! I think part of the reason why I don't get more views is because I engage in historical debates. Many falsely believe that this is "wrong" because they don't have a firm grasp of history theory, which says that the debates are what make it happen. There's a school of historical thought (largely continental-European) that believes that you should just "stick to the facts", even though we can logically demonstrate that the "facts" don't answer certain questions like "when did the turning point of WW2 happen?" We have the "facts", but the only way to get the answer is to debate it.
And by engaging in debates, and taking sides in those debates, I become "controversial". Again, people falsely assume that a historian must remain "objective" and "non-biased", which is a theoretical impossibility. And the "controversial" topics not only annoy people and cause them to unsubscribe or not view the videos, but also land me in trouble with YouTube, which I can definitely show are suppressing some of my videos (like the Greek video).
Also, if you type in "TIK history" into Google, you'll probably find links on the first page to Reddit where the Marxist-echo-chamber of r/BadHistory have written hit-pieces against me, as well as "Pakistan Defence" website. This is off-putting to new viewers and potential viewers who have no idea whether I'm trustworthy or not. They'll see these hit-pieces and assume there's some legitimacy to them, which I would say there isn't.
The other part of it is because of the channel name. "TIK" is hard to find on YouTube due to "TikTok". People may also assume that I'm part of TikTok or something.
Also, I don't do collaborations (I've done 1 video with MHV and one with Anton Joly). So viewers have to find me by word of mouth.
And finally, my strategy was never to get the "views" or the "subscribers". My strategy was to make good history and rely upon pledges from my viewers. My belief is that decent historical videos will bring people to the channel, and keep them watching. So I'm not here for the views... I mean, I obviously want people to watch the channel, so views are important in that sense... but it's about the history, not the views. That's why I put out content that I know won't get many views - the history comes first.
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The "poor time keeping and lack of self discipline" are symptoms of the problem, not the problem itself. Most-likely, the reason you're struggling with the work and feeling burnt out is because there's a lot of pressure being put upon you, there's a perfectionism element (you want to do well), and there's no immediate reward for what you're doing. The end-reward might motivate you to work on an essay the night before it's due, but otherwise isn't sufficient to get you out of bed in the morning. You're probably also constantly feeling guilty when you're not working, and maybe indulging in computer games or other media to distract you from the problem.
The underlying reason is because you want to do X, but you're forced to do Y. There's a mismatch between what you want to do, and what you're actually doing. To give an example, this morning I couldn't bring myself to work on anything relating to 'tanks'. My mind does not want me to do it. I also looked at the growing list of Patreon Questions I have to answer, and I just wasn't able to tackle them. However, I knew that I could start to craft a video on Ernst Röhm, and I've been wanting to do so for a while. Well, guess what, I've spent several hours hammering out a script on Ernst Röhm. Apart from two quick breaks for lunch and some chores, I've been working at my desk all day. Yet there's no way I would have done this had I 'stuck to tanks' because my mind was simply not in the mood to do that today.
If you're struggling to even start, and when you do, you're finding yourself unable to concentrate or you're getting distracted, then the problem is you're simply not doing what you want to do. Now, you may not be able to jump ship. You may have to do the work you're doing, which is why you're procrastinating on it. It takes 'discipline' and 'will power' to focus on a task you're not enjoying, and you only have so much energy to spare for that. But there are things you can do to help you get you started.
First, understand that happiness is not the goal. You should aim for satisfaction, not happiness. You may not be happy while you're clearing a drain, but you'll be satisfied once you've done it. It's hard work to change a tyre on a car, but you can be satisfied with the end result. Well, similarly, you may not be happy while you're doing the work, but you can feel satisfied as you're doing it, and you'll be satisfied once you've done it. So aim for satisfaction, not happiness. This will clear your guilt, because even if you just do a couple hours of hard work on your assignments, you may not be happy, but you'll be satisfied and guilt-free when you hit that computer game in the evening as a reward.
Secondly, if you can't change the work, change your enviroment. Perhaps you can't work without music. Perhaps you can't work with music. Perhaps you can't work by yourself, or need isolation to truly concentrate. I found that it was much easier for me to concentrate if I was in the quiet sections of the college or university libraries, or at a cafe, than at home. I also prefer having my phone in a different room, or at the bottom of my bag when I was in college so it wasn't a distraction, and maybe it's the same with you. Sometimes I need absolute silence, while other times I need some instrumental background music to help me concentrate (usually "epic battle music" or "sci fi ambiance", depending).
Thirdly, use the Pomodoro technique. 25 minutes on the task, 5 minutes off. Do three of these, then take a longer break. There's plenty of videos on this on YouTube, so just look it up. But even if you don't use that, the principle is important. When you're doing the work, you need to take more breaks in general. And I'm not exaggerating here - if you have to do 10 minutes of 'sprinting', then a 20 minute break, do it! There are no hard and fast rules, and it's better to do 5 minutes of work than 0.
Finally, there's a few miscallenous tips I can give you. Gamify the work (look up the Habitica app, or 'Forest' app). Get a good night's sleep, and cut out distractions (stop watching the 'news'). Change the book you're studying if the one you're reading is dragging or just sucks in general (perhaps there's a better one out there with better language?). You could just do a couple hours each day rather than expect to do 10 hours days, and then if push comes to shove, be prepared to do an all-nighter the day before the deadline to finish off the work. At the end of the day, if it's stupid but it works, do it.
That's all I've got for you now, but I hope some of this helps. Honestly, I've been struggling with this as well due to my burnout and overworking, so it's not just you. Ultimately, in the future, you need to really ask yourself if doing a particular course or career is the right thing for you. Ask your SELF what you want to do. Don't rely on others to tell you what you should do. That way you minimize the chance of having this mismatch between your wants and external needs.
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@EJWS - Your comment is so insane that I've just got to respond to it.
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"Then why the application of Austrian economics from Pinochet, Thatcher, Reagan"
Are you for real? None of these practiced Austrian economics or anything similar. If you think these people are 'Austrians', you're clueless.
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"failed to lead to the promised shareholder democracy"
No Austrian economist or libertarian thinker wants "shareholder democracy". AnCaps don't want a government, let alone a democracy, and libertarians want freedom, not mob tyranny.
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"brought about a corporatist, anti-democratic, stagnating, uncompetitive nightmare we're currently 'living' in?"
Yeah, because they were Commie-servatives. They didn't believe in the free market otherwise they wouldn't have entered politics. Instead of calling for the wall to fall, Reagan would have been dismantling the IRS and the Federal Reserve.
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"Did you actually read then - or now - any Keynes or Marx,"
Considering I quoted from Marx in this video, yes. And I was educated by the State miseducation system into believing Keynesianism. I've not read everything by Keynes, but I have read some of his stuff and it's just an excuse to print more cash to bail him out of his poor economic choices (he lost a significant potion of his wealth betting on the German mark as it hyperinflated away).
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"Being a retail manager seems like a much bigger influence - that tends to turn people into little Eichmanns."
Yeah, except I only abandoned the Socialist cult after exiting retail. It was when I realised that Hitler's anti-Semitism was his "bourgeoisie" that I understood the true nature of socialism. After the backlash from my first video on National Socialism, I was accused of reading Mises and Rothbard. I hadn't, but got curious as to why people were saying I had read them, so I read them. That's when I realised that everything I'd been told about "capitalism" was wrong. You can see this transition in real time on the channel, but since you're unwilling to actually listen to anything I say, it's no wonder you've not picked up on this.
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@Edax_Royeaux Zero evidence? In your own words, you "Blame capitalism" for everything. You love Adam Tooze (who's loved by the Guardian, the Left-wing propaganda organisation), and you're outright denying all the evidence just like all the other good little Marxists. It's abundantly clear which side of the fence you're on.
To be honest, I'm absolutely sick of you trolling my comment section with your BS. Your" response" to half my comment section showing you how wrong you were in the previous video was absolutely insane. The fact that you will state that r/AskHistorians on Reddit broke down my 5 hour video in "exhaustive detail with sources cited", and yet here is that pathetic breakdown https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/qs17g6/is_tiks_video_arguing_that_the_nazis_were/
The guy links to a Guardian article (as if that's a fantastic source), and he has no actual counter-arguments. The only thing he does is dismiss my sources, saying that the historical community doesn't agree with me. Oh great, so if every historian thinks the moon is made of cheese, we can't question them on it because otherwise some idiot on Reddit will cry about it. It's a fallacious argument! The guy has NO argument at all.
In his "takedown" of my 107 sources, the guy says my bibliography doesn't contain a single source on Fascist ideology (which is an outright lie), and links to this post here as evidence https://np.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/qknk7g/modmail_madness_october_2021_edition/hixo3kr/?context=3
I mean, it's literally some worthless comment that doesn't even list the sources I used!
Despite this, you claim that I have "cherry picked from sources". NO I HAVEN'T. I've used their evidence and questioned their conclusions. That's NOT the same thing as "cherry picking". The fact that you're being so dishonest with this is telling. You're acting exactly like all the other Marxists, and then lying about your ideology. At one point you even said: "Turner's German Big Business and the Rise of Hitler is not listed." And yet, it was in my recent 43 minute video, and Turner agrees with me! You brought this book up months ago as another "gotchya" to show how I wasn't reading the sources - but you hadn't read it yourself. If you had, you would have known what Turners' conclusions were.
I mean, seriously Royeaux, I've been as patient as I possibly can be with you. But at this point I've had enough. You're one of the people who doesn't want to learn, so I'm going to let you rot. If you disagree with me so much, then I would encourage you to go elsewhere. I don't want you in my comment sections any more - you're ruining it for everyone else. We're all trying to have a debate here, and we can't get to the nuances of it because people like you are disrupting that debate. You don't want to learn, and I don't want to teach you, so why don't you just drop out of class.
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GM4ThePeople - I will come back to this topic in the future, however I actually was quoting from Icebreaker. I couldn't quote the pages because I'm using the Kindle Edition. Sources are listen in the pinned comment above. I haven't yet read all of Icebreaker because the purpose of this video was just to get people thinking critically, and to tackle specifically what Keitel wrote. It was not to tackle Suvorov's thesis in it's entirety. I don't have Chief Culprit, but that said, from what I have read so far, I'm not convinced. I'm not against the idea of giving Suvorov a chance, nor do I discourage others to read his views. In fact, when I do return to this topic, I will give both sides of the argument an equal shot (like I did in this video) so that everyone can form their own opinion.
But I will say that you're wrong in saying that my questioning Keitel in this video did not constitute critical thinking. Yes it did. You're only saying that because this casts doubt on what Suvorov is saying. This video is showing people that accepting things at face value is not a good way of looking at history, and accepting Suvorov's thesis is easy to do when you haven't done sufficient research, as I've shown in this video.
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I'm going off one source on this, and that source is the British Official history. And since that was written in the 50's, we can assume some level of stereotyping and patriotism when refering to the inadequacies of the Italian military.
Playfair. The Mediterranean and Middle East Volume 1: Early Successes against Italy [to May 1941]. 1954.
Playfair says -
"[ITALY] had been living on a war basis since 1935. Her adverse trading balance was very large and the Budget for 1939-40 forecast a heavy deficit. It was difficult to see how she could be in any condition for war; a further armaments race at this juncture was likely to be disastrous." P38
He goes on to explain that the Italian Army was reorganising its Infantry divisions from 3 regiments down to two, handicaping them severely. Coupled with extra conscripts, a shortage of weapons, a lack of officers and instructors, and a lack of reserved for the Air Force, the "conclusion was that the Italian Army was not ready for war on a large scale." P39
The Italian 10th Army was also in dire straights, as I explained in the video. Most of the units were colonial Lybian troops or political "Blackshirt" formations of fanatical, but not so well organised, trained or lead troops. They also marched on foot, whereas the British were mostly motorized by this time. It is rumoured that the Italians did have a mobile brothel though, to keep morale high, but that's not confirmed. What is confirmed is that apart from the Italian artillerymen (who tended to fight to the last round or until their guns were destroyed), the Italian infantry as a whole were poorly trained, poorly lead and poorly equiped for war in 1940.
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I can't tell you about drug usage or anything like that as the sources don't mention anything on it. I too have heard that Italian men stay at home for the longest so that could be true, although that's also becoming the norm here in England too due to the absolutely terrible economic situation and the lovely little housing crisis keeping an ENTIRE generation from owning their own homes - problems that our beloved Parliament have fundamentally failed to do ANYTHING about for over a decade. So we can't be too critical about their decision to stay at home.
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You've just made an ad hominem attack upon me by calling me a "semi-educated autodidact". Sounds like it's "one rule for me but not for you", because you're not being honest.
Why can't you admit that I've addressed his arguments in previous videos, and in this video too? Oh, that's right, because you're being dishonest. Why can't you admit that a man's personality impacts his work? Oh, that's right, because you're being dishonest. Why did you tell me to look up Hegel, when I talked about him in the video and also have another video dedicated to that scrote? Oh, that's right, because you're being dishonest. I'm not at all surprised that a philosophy graduate from CAMBRIDGE of all places would be so dishonest, since their history books leave a lot to be desired 🙄
The Killing Fields of Cambodia are Karl Marx's ideas made manifest. I can explain why they occurred, and why the ideology behind them was a disgrace, but you can't. That's a testament to how much you're blinded to the truth, and how much you refuse to look at the evidence. As Eric Voegelin said: it's the self-censorship of the adherents.
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Another way to think about this: Capitalism is the Free Market. And a "Black Market" is a Free Market. If you have a Black Market, then you know that your Market is under State control, and thus, you do not have Capitalism.
If the currency supply is centrally controlled and manipulated by the State Central Bank, and there's a monopoly on banking and finance, how is the Market free? Also, how is this not Public/State control?
Is the Private individual free to not pay tax? Then he isn't free. If you do not have a choice, you are not free, and if you're not free, then you are a slave. Capitalism cannot operate without free individuals who buy and sell. Slaves do not buy and sell.
Where you have taxation and inflation, and central planning and regulation, you do not have private control of the means of production.
The USA has Capitalist elements, but can't be classed as a Capitalist economy. People also say the UK is Capitalist, even though they just shut the economy down centrally, proving it isn't free.
And yes, I subscribe to the Austrian School of Economics (although read others too, like the Chicago School). Recommended reading: "Economics in One Lesson" by Hazlitt, and then Murray Rothbard's "America's Great Depression". They are great reads.
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I've already addressed his criticisms, either in the comments, in the video itself (which he hasn't watched), or in other videos. He (and others) are not paying attention. I and others are pointing this out to him, but he's just trolling.
For example, he keeps accusing me of using the wrong definition of Socialism. Okay, except he doesn't seem to know what definition I'm using. He then accuses me of saying that Rome was Socialist by "my" definition, even though I've pointed out to him that it's not "my" definition (it's the historical definition), that "my" definition doesn't actually say that, and that I've already addressed this exact criticism in this video https://youtu.be/8rWnuuEN024
Just like I told those guys in that video, and as I said at the start of this video, if you disagree with the historical definitions of Socialism and Capitalism then you need to watch my Public vs Private video which will explain exactly why they are what they are, no questions asked https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
I've pointed this out, but again, Jeff refuses to watch ANY of the videos and just insists on spamming nonsense. I've also replied and answered him directly, but he just ignores what I say.
Another one he likes to repeat is how no historian agrees with me. If he had bothered to look at the timestamps in the description he would have seen that I have a section on that. Again, everything he's saying has already been heard before and it's all been addressed. There's nothing new. If my critics would just stop and actually WATCH THE VIDEOS then we can move on to more serious criticism. But no, apparently that's too much to ask.
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I am human, and I want to be free from state control, as I am responsible for my own life and do not believe that others should have a claim on my life. Thus, I am against all totalitarian ideologies, including Marxism, Socialism, Fascism, National Socialism, and more besides.
Despite what many claim, I am not an AnCap, nor am I a libertarian, although I have read some of their works, and agree with some of what they said.
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"Tik I went on Reddit to see what your skeptics say about you."
To be honest, I was disappointed by their lack of fight. Not one of them seems to have read the title of the video, or understood what it meant, because "Defeating the Denialist Counter-Arguments" implies that I've defeated their arguments. Yet they didn't read this, and assumed that their old arguments still work, which they don't anymore.
"They really don't watch your videos and make assumptions"
Correct. They also banned someone for partly agreeing with me, which is why I pinned their comment in the Hitler's Socialism video.
"A main assumption since they don't watch your videos much is that you're just another keyboard warrior that sites mainstream media and wikipedia"
The irony is that they're the one's who use Wikipedia! Worse, in their recent "refutations" of me, only one guy used a source, and then just one source. I used 107. And if they'd bothered to watch the video, they would have seen just how flawed that one source was.
But yeah, some aren't interested in the truth. They prefer simple slogans and easy to blurt-out half-truths than actual evidence and in-depth interpretation.
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"There is no mention I can find anywhere, in any of Hitler's writing, of "Jewish Capitalism". Mein Kampf specifically lays out the opposite..."
You obviously didn't watch the video or read Mein Kampf fully. Many of these were quoted in the video itself:
“I began to study again and thus it was that I first came to understand perfectly what was the substance and purpose of the life-work of the Jew, Karl Marx. His Capital became intelligible to me now for the first time. And in the light of it I now exactly understood the fight of the Social-Democrats against national economics, a fight which was to prepare the ground for the hegemony of a real international and stock-exchange capital.” - Hitler, "Mein Kampf," p198.
“The Marxist leaders, whose business consisted in deceiving and misleading the public, naturally hated most of all a movement whose declared aim was to win over those masses which hitherto had been exclusively at the service of international Marxism in the Jewish and Stock Exchange parties. The title alone, German Labour Party, irritated them.” - Hitler, "Mein Kampf," p324.
“The internationalization of our German economic system, that is to say, the transference of our productive forces to the control of Jewish international finance, can be completely carried out only in a State that has been politically Bolshevized. But the Marxist fighting forces, commanded by international and Jewish stock-exchange capital, cannot finally smash the national resistance in Germany without friendly help from outside.” - Hitler, "Mein Kampf," p555.
“The Jewish way of reasoning thus becomes quite clear. The Bolshevization of Germany, that is to say, the extermination of the patriotic and national German intellectuals, thus making it possible to force German Labour to bear the yoke of international Jewish finance - that is only the overture to the movement for expanding Jewish power on a wider scale and finally subjugating the world to its rule.” - Hitler, "Mein Kampf," p556.
And there are more outside of Mein Kampf. For example:
“... because this capital is international, its holders, the Jews, are international because of their being spread all over the world. And here everyone should actually throw up their hands in despair and say to themselves, if this capital is international because its holders, the Jews, are spread internationally all over the world, then it must be insanity to think that one will be able to fight this capital of the same members of this race internationally...” - Hitler, speech on 13 August 1920, quoted from Zitelmann, “Hitler: The Policies of Seduction,” P265.
So yes, as I said in the video, Hitler believed that the Jews were behind both 'international finance' and Marxism.
Many of the other points you mentioned are equally refuted in the video. Please watch it.
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"One quick piece debunking a 5 hour video lol"
Ignorance is your strength.
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As Turner showed in "German Big Business and the Rise of Hitler," published in the 1980s, Fritz Thyssen and Hjalmar Schacht (a banker) were the only people of any significance to show total support and donate to the Nazi Party BEFORE Hitler got into power. Krupp only donated after Hitler was in power. And Thyssen and Schacht both ended up in a concentration camp. Even mainstream historians have accepts this now, including Richard Evans. To quote Turner:
“Aside from a few minor executives who belonged, for the most part, to the younger generation of Germans so strongly attracted to the Nazi movement, only one capitalist of note, Fritz Thyssen, became a loyal adherent of Nazism before 1933.” - Turner, “German Big Business and the Rise of Hitler,” p343.
Turner also said that the idea that capitalists brought Hitler to power persists, despite the fact that the evidence doesn’t support it. He says regimes use this myth as propaganda to convince the masses that capitalism is inherently murderous and fascist by nature. I totally agree with him.
“Most publications that explain the rise of Nazism in terms of capitalism have no need to rely heavily on evidence… Since most of what occurs in the economic sphere is assumed to remain concealed from the public and even from the historian, much must be surmised from a few clues rather than demonstrated by a sustained marshalling of evidence, as in traditional historical scholarship.” - Turner, “German Big Business and the Rise of Hitler,” p354.
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“Our bourgeois parties… unfortunately succumbed to the temptation to confront the fight for existence by this fourth estate [Marxism] by political means in order to oppose demands that cannot even really be regarded as social, but are simply purely human problems. Today when we go back and read what outrageous speeches conservative and so-called national liberal party bigwigs once held on the most basic of human issues, when we hear the nonsensical arguments that were voiced against them - always dressed up in the claim that it was all for the protection of the highest national values - then we can understand how Marxism was able to capture and internationalize these broad masses.” - Hitler, 16 Dec 1925, quoted from Zitelmann, "Hitler: The Policies of Seduction," p124.
And Hitler explained why he called the Nazi Party the "National Socialist German Workers' Party" several times. Here's one example:
“In a conversation with the poet Hanns Johst many years later [27 Jan 1934] and after the seizure of power, Hitler came back to the question why the NSDAP called itself a worker’s party. Johst began by saying that Hitler, or rather his party, were considered to be part of the ‘bourgeois right wing’, which Hitler immediately called ‘a mistake’, because he could ‘never be understood under the aspects of the middle class’. To Johst’s question, whether the name ‘National Socialist Worker’s Party’ was a sign that Hitler gave ‘the term “worker” precedence over the term “burgher”, Hitler answered: ‘I chose the term “worker” because it is much closer to my whole nature and because I wanted to win this term back for the national force… I had to “repatriate” it [the term “worker"] into the power of the German language and the sovereign rights and obligations of the German nation.” - Zitelmann, "Hitler: The Policies of Seduction," p149-150.
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I can tell you've not read Mein Kampf or any of Hitler's speeches or talks. To claim that he wasn't intelligent, or that it's incoherent, is simply false. Yes it's all bad, and I disagree with it, but it's intelligible. So this idea that it isn't is part of the Leftist narrative of pretending that it's not worth looking into.
The Left also have an incentive for you to not know the reality of Hitler's ideology, which is why they deny it's central doctrine. Yet you embrace this narrative without question. And when someone gives you a ton of evidence, backed by 110 sources, showing you how important the Socialism was to the ideology, you dismiss this by saying there's no way I could know the truth. Only Leftists with a clear incentive to defend socialism can know the truth, of course.
Your argument is ridiculous. The evidence is overwhelming, and I haven't even presented a fraction of it all yet.
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Congratulations on your A-Levels! You get good grades, right??
Quite complicated to get into, but ultimately, the Dollar is dying, and the Dollar is the world's reserve currency. They're trying to implement a cash-less all-digital world fiat currency, so if the Banksters think they can get away with it, the next step is negative interest rates, and more easy-debt. So if you have savings in fiat currency, say goodbye to them. My advise is to avoid debt like the plague, no matter how tempting they make it to get into it. And if you are in debt, get out of it as quickly as you can before it's too late.
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"Ok you can't trust the offical USSR stats for whatever reason but then you quoting authors and clearly trusting their stats. Why? Where did they get them from? Guess? How scientific is thats..."
Who said I trusted their stats? I made it very clear that you can't trust these statistics, since any economic calculation in a non-free economy is impossible. This is one of the fundamental problems with socialism.
"Making up numbers higher than their are, especially during war time is borderline retared in totalitarian society... Most of western authors base their conclusions on dissidents stories, which is great for propaganda purposes, but those guys rarely have reliable data."
That's not the issue. The issue is fundamental to socialism. The way we generate prices is by trading with other people. If you don't have that trade - if you don't have a free market, which you won't under a socialist economy because everything is owned by one entity (the State) - then you cannot have prices. Without prices you cannot have economic calculation.
So this isn't propaganda, this is the socialist economic calculation problem. No economic data from the Soviet Union is reliable at all because it's socialist bureaucracy manipulated the economy. Because it did that, their statistics are fundamentally flawed. Yes, some things are reliable - 'such a division got 20 tanks' - but not the economic figures.
However, I also said that even if we did use the official statistics, they're painting a picture that's pointing to the fact that the Soviet economy was running out of food. We also have more reliable facts (e.g. cats and dogs gone missing in Moscow, 64th Army down to a couple days worth of food, etc) and anecdotal evidence that is all pointing in this direction. So while the statistics are flawed, they don't actually hide the problem.
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@real_yunicellular "1980s? im talking about the holodomor"
Because it applies to any form of collectivism, including that of the 1930s. Collectivism led to a decrease in production, which is why just 2% of the farms (the private ones) were producing 30% of the food. The other 98% were producing just 70% of the total food. Had they been in private ownership, then the food production would have been astronomically higher.
The reason the Holodomor starvation occurred was because the forced collectivization led to a substantial decrease in food production. Private farms were many times more efficient than collective farms. Thus, collective farms are a downgrade, and thus a loss of food production. That reduction in food production, plus a drought, and the fact that the borders were closed and that the Soviets were still exporting food from the area, meant that there was little food left for the local population, which is why they starved. Even in the 1980s, farmers were the poorest of the people in the Soviet Union.
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Inflation is a secret tax that devalues the currency and steals wealth and savings from everyone that holds it. Gold has value (subjective) and is a store of value. If everyone used physical gold as a money, then the central banks couldn't secretly steal wealth/value off of them through the power of inflation. Therefore, those who hold physical gold during an inflationary period, such as during the Weimar Republic, or today, are shielded from the inflation, meaning central banks can't secretly steal the value from the physical gold.
So in Weimar (and other societies who were about to inflate their fiat currency), they made excuses for people to hand over their physical gold, or taxed them in gold, or offered fiat currency rewards for handing it in, or persuaded you to put it in a bank and then unlinked the currency from the gold ("I promise to pay the bearer on demand the sum of ten pounds of gold").
TLDR: Inflation works best when everyone is using fiat currency.
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"but in the end, it was the survival of large corporations that were at stake."
Again, the corporations were the trade unions. The trade unions were the corporations. Forget the word "corporation" for a moment. Imagine giant trade unions (soviets) taking over sectors of the economy. That's what syndicalism is, and is what Fascism was.
Fascism and Marxism are two sides of the same coin. They've been painted as though they are total opposites, but they are not. Fascism is socialism on the national level. Marxism was socialism on the international level. But when the Soviet Union didn't create a world-revolution, they became "socialism in one country". Socialism in one country is Fascism. I would agrue that the Soviet Union became Fascist under Stalin. Or that practically, Fascism and Marxism are the same thing.
"The Fascists/Nazis took care of the trade unions, yes, but the taxation and regulation of the business were dire."
The trade unions were part of the control of the business sector. Taxation went through the roof in the Nazi economy and regulations were rampant. Again, state control. My recent video on the Nazi's Vampire Economy talked briefly about this https://youtu.be/NxwidjWJxAc
"it was a perfect version of “state-capitalism”."
Capitalism is the private (individual, non-state) control of the economy. If you have a state in control, you no longer have capitalism. State capitalism is literally "state non-state". It doesn't exist. The Left use this term to hide the truth. State capitalism = socialism.
A black market is a free market (capitalism) within a state controlled economy. If you have a black market, the rest of the economy is socialism. The US, UK and the EU all have black markets for drugs and other things. They do not have free markets and do not have capitalism. They are mostly socialist economies and are getting worse.
"[I] see the connection between socialism and fascism less theoretical."
Same here.
"The 1930s is coming back, it's already here."
It's more like 1919 Germany. Expect uprisings and hyperinflation. The more the Far Left push, the more people will turn to the 'alternative' - Fascism and Nazism. And this is bad.
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Everything you just said is completely untrue. Britain was in heavy financial crisis in 1941/42 and reliant on US Lend Lease to stay afloat. The "socialists" had nothing to do with that, that was Hitler and the strain of two world wars.
Caring for your own people is something a government should do - and I would argue that any government that fails to do that is a government you shouldn't support. I fail to see how providing pensions, national insurance, workers rights, a nation health service (that's free, universal and at the point of need) and so on, is not good for the people of the country. They may have started out as 'socialist' policies, but I would argue that these are not socialist policies now - they're decent policies that the majority accept as good policies.
What's worse, currently the morons in charge of Britain (not talking parties, I mean the whole Oxbridge lot) are trying to completely undo what was achieved in the late 1940's by the 'greatest generation' under the pretence that they 'can't afford it'. Well, that's completely untrue. They can afford it. But they want to dismantle those things because they're looking to line their pockets in the short term at the expense of the majority of the populace. Same applies in other countries, like the Scandinavian countries. And this is a damn shame, because a lot of people don't realise just what it took to achieve the benefits we now enjoy today. Dismantling the NHS, workers right, pensions and so on are steps backwards and will lead to poverty and destitution, as was the case beforehand. It would be the equivalent of dismantling the internet because 'we can't afford it'. It's insanity, and it's no wonder a great proportion of the population in the UK are bitter over the policies of 'our' government.
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Don't mind at all! Everything is done in either Photoshop, Premiere Pro, or Blender (3D software). For this video, I used Photoshop to make the units, and Premiere Pro to put everything together and move everything around. The map, fire effects and explosions were made in Blender. And in case you're interested, I actually have a tutorial for my Patreons which shows me making this particular map.
For some of my other documentaries I did all the unit movements in Blender, then put them into Premiere Pro because it's much easier to do movement animations in Blender. But decided to cut out the middle-man this time for time reasons, which is why they have very abrupt movement patterns in this video. At least, I notice it, even if others do not. Not sure yet, but despite the minor flaws, this is probably how I'll do it for Stalingrad.
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I've focused on videos and topics I'm interested in, rather than topics many people are interested in. So, I've not done D-Day etc. This is bad, but also good. While I am now beginning to get to the bigger topics, the difference is that I've done a ton of research and videos beforehand. Therefore there's more depth and the quality of information is much higher. So, for example, when I eventually get to Gazala, I'll have covered every battle in the North African Campaign before it. Not only can I reference what came before it, but I can judge the characters from within the context. Same with El Alamein. And of course, I'm looking into Stalingrad right now, which will hopefully see more people find my channel.
But yes, overall it's because I'm not focusing on growth, and thus I'm not producing a quantity of smaller and shallower videos (e.g. 10 minute histories). I'm focusing on quality, and on topics that will hopefully build up into something much bigger in the long run. Basically, I'm playing the long game :)
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Okay, first things first, if you haven't already, I'm going to ask you to read "Economics in One Lesson" by Henry Hazlitt. Follow this up with "Basic Economics" by Thomas Sowell, and finally "America's Great Depression" by Murray Rothbard (this last one you can get online for free here https://mises.org/library/americas-great-depression ). If you have read them, fair enough, I'd be interested to hear why you've dismissed their argument entirely, but if not then I highly encourage you to read those three works.
Secondly, here's a video on US healthcare which may open your eyes a little https://youtu.be/0uPdkhMVdMQ
Thirdly, there is no halfway house. If you believe in the "social safety net" idea (which is what you're saying about the government stepping in to save us from "capitalism") then you're already misunderstanding that it's not capitalism that's failed/failing. As I said, read "America's Great Depression" by Murray Rothbard. Alternatively, watch my videos on what causes a recession or depression https://youtu.be/X3L0_pjRdcs
When you said - "At the same time, not caring enough about another human to give none of them a chance to bounce back from a stream of crap luck is also bad." - my first instinct was to tell you that "that's not what the Right wants either". But then I realized that you wouldn't believe me. Yes, you're right that SOME people take advantage of others. However, a true capitalist system would be capable of getting those people back on their feet quicker than any socialist system could. If you cannot imagine how or why, then you need to read those three books I mentioned before. The State system is always more inefficient than the capitalist system. The heart is in the right place with a Leftist, but the method is wrong. The method we should be choosing is the one that has brought billions of people out of poverty (capitalism), not the one that wants to impoverish the poor in favour of the rich (socialism).
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I know you're joking, but with the EU Article 13 on the way (which might destroy YouTube), those 'continental overlords' in the EU government are quite literally evil incarnate. While I voted to remain (having been lied to by the government-run education system), I now understand fully that I should have supported leave. If I hadn't re-looked into what socialism was (in the aftermath of the National-Socialism was socialism video) I would have continued to believe the lie.
The majority in Britain have been lied to by the government and the EU. People genuinely think that strong governments are the best thing for the low-income families. But the reality is that strong governments are only strong because they put taxes up in order to make them stronger. The question we all need to ask ourselves is, would you like a 20% increase in wages? If the answer is yes, then the way to get that isn't to raise wages, but to decrease taxes to the government. You can easily reduce taxes by 20% here in Britain for everyone and increase the wealth of every single working person by 20%, and you'll create more jobs doing just that.
Right now, the government are taxing children. If you tax parents, you're taxing their children. If you tax a business that sells sweets, you're taxing children. If you tax a business, they can't hire as many workers, and so workers become unemployed and you have hungry children. Ultimately, no matter how you phrase it, taxation is immoral.
And what do we get out of that taxation? Sure, an army, a police force, and a firebrigade. But beyond them, we get nothing other than a bad state pension scheme, a bad state national-insurance scheme, a bad (actually terrible) state education system, a bad state road building industry, an incredibly poor house building scheme which keeps house-prices high (locking out an entire generation from owning their own homes), 'unemployment' benefit for people who have never worked a day in their lives because they don't want to (minus the disabled, but they're the minority there), and a bloated and inefficient NHS which isn't even free to those who pay for it (only those who are on state-welfare get it free). If you had 20% more money each month, you'd probably be able to afford private healthcare - itself forced to charge higher rates right now because the taxman is paying 20% of his wages to keep the NHS going rather than have people use their own money where they think they can get a better service.
But the people have been lied to. There are people spouting immoral lies about helping low-income familes. How can proping up the over-priced housing market with high taxation help the low-income families? How can taxing businessmen their profits lead to increased wages or more employment? How can taxing profits lead to lower prices of goods? How can tariffs (taxes on imported goods) lead to lower prices for low-income families? How can encouraging people not to work benefit the working class? How can destroying YouTube in order to prop up the dying media and television industries benefit the consumer? YouTube Creators will also lose their jobs - they're encouraging unemployment! Just to prop up failing industries. When you think about it logically, none of what the government does after stealing our money through taxation (taking away our right to choose what we do with our private property) makes any sense.
The EU is bad, but so is Westminster. They're both out for gaining power for themselves. There isn't a single political party in Britain right now that is advocating lower taxation. You have socialist-parties, or mostly-socialist parties. Why? Because more power to the state. It's Orwellian. And that is not good for low-income families. The poor will get poorer through taxation, and it is the young who think that they're doing what's right. But the reality is, they've been mislead (as was I). Socialism is the social (state, public) ownership or control of the means of production (business or the economy). If you think politicians and bureaucrats can spend massive amounts of your money better than you can, you're a socialist.
https://youtu.be/C4qepKR3akA
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Just watched the "Subverting the Narrative" video. While I agree with the premise, I think he's painting too broad of a brush. To suggest that everyone saying "international banking" is someone who hates the Jews (Murray Rothbard and Mises, both Jews, would like a word with him), is simply not true. Explaining how fractional reserve banking leads to depressions and recessions, and therefore that the banks (national or international) are a blight upon humanity, doesn't say anything about the people who work in them (be them Jews or not). The race is irrelevant, it's the non-free-market banking practices (combined with State control) that's important. He's conflating the two, and thus painting every Ancap or Libertarian (including many Jews, like Peter Schiff) as Nazis.
I'm not an Alex Jones fan, but he plays a clip of Alex Jones saying something about "globalists" or whatever, and says the same thing about him. Alex Jones might be a bit off his rocker, but I don't think Alex Jones is an anti-Semite or a National Socialist for not liking things like Marxism (itself anti-Semitic https://youtu.be/rZh01xRO_Qg ).
The video author then plays a clip of Jordan Peterson where Peterson explains how Hitler was disgusted by the Jews. The video author then says that what Peterson really meant was that Hitler didn't hate the Jews but only wanted to clean up things. Thus, the video author implies that Jordan Peterson is a secret anti-Semite. But Peterson was only explaining Hitler's reasoning - Hitler hated the Jews BECAUSE he was disgusted by them. If you read Mein Kampf (page 63 of the Jaico verson, for example, where he says the Jews made him "feel ill" and are a "pestilence", and there's plenty more I could quote) this becomes clear. The video author then starts saying that the Nazis viewed the Jews as an economic plight, and that's why the Nazis wanted to get rid of them... which is a cleaning up operation, as Jordan Peterson said.
He also says "the only people who ate better than the Germans were the Americans", which is laughably not true. The British had way more food than the Germans did in WW2 as the book "Taste of War" by Collingham explains. I've been over the food crisis in the Reich many times, so I won't labour that point here.
There's loads more I could pick out, but you get the picture. Overall, I think there's a reason the video is heavily down-voted, and I don't think it's just because the National Socialists don't like it either.
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"Perhaps you should read Marx, because, like him, you are hoping that your fantasy will become reality."
I have read Marx. It's a load of rubbish. It's that bad that Bernstein (guy who wrote 4th Volume Das Kapital, and one of the 4 who buried Engels) realised it was wrong and became a member of the social-democrats. When you can't even understand that the Labour Theory of Value is incorrect, and you sponge off your friends the whole of your life and don't actually do a day's work, you're in no position to dictate economics. Marx was a social revolutionary, not an economist.
"I do not deny the realities of living in the UK today, but I would suggest that they are far better than those of 100 years ago. 100 years that has seen the rise of social democracy and capitalism work hand in hand to improve most peoples' lives."
Actually the evidence suggests that socialism (or social democracy) has done more than enough damage to people's lives that we're actually further behind than we would be if we hadn't had it in the first place. Real living wages in the UK increased by 81-91% in the years 1850-1906. [British Economic Growth 1688-1959, Second Edition p24] There was no social-democracy in that time; that was purely captialism. And it was the biggest increase in living standards in history.
Compare that to post-war Britain, where 20% of the economy was nationalized. Right from the beginning, Attlee's Labour Government realised something was wrong. That's why they didn't run a "more-nationalization" campaign in the 1950's election, and lost the election. Instead of increasing production and bringing about a rise in living standards, they cost the taxpayer a ton, and ended up subsidizing the industries which were now beginning to make a loss. And don't even get me started on the "welfare" problems they caused, which we're still suffering under to this day.
The reality is, it is capitalism that brought about the rise in living standards you see today, not socialism. I don't think there's any way to deny that reality.
"As for government regulation, without such, there would be no "free market" as we consider it. There would also be no protection of goods and property or property rights or the infrastructure to support the movement of goods."
Law is different from ownership and control of the economy. Creating a stable enviroment for goods to be traded is all that's required - Thou shalt not murder, etc. Regulating it to the point of suffocation, is bad - Thou shalt not hire someone without paying for insurance, even if that person works from home.
"Does this mean that all regulation is good? No, it does not, but unlike you, I do not present a simple onesided argument that has no bearing on reality."
The other side of the argument is faulty and distorted. It relies on deception and emotion, not logic. The facts and evidence - which is what I'm interested in - is one-sided. Unlike you, I can't ignore that reality.
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WATCH THE VIDEO BEFORE COMMENTING. In general patelle, your argument doesn't stand up to scrutiny, doesn't do anything against the argument in the video, and even contradicts itself. E.g. -
"There are no shrinking markets, TIK! The markets are constantly growing, there are more and more products, ever-growing supply. But the YIELDS are shrinking, because they are sucked out of the markets."
1) I DON'T believe in the shrinking markets - Hitler and Marx do. Me explaining their beliefs doesn't mean I believe in them, just like me explaining war doesn't mean I'm pro-war. 2) If yields (profits) are supposedly shrinking, then the market IS shrinking. So you've just contradicted yourself.
"That's a completely different model of ECONOMIC GROWTH."
That's why it fails and implodes every time it's implemented. Because Value isn't Labour, it's Subjective, as I explained in the video.
"Keynes was not a socialist."
Keynes said - “Capitalism is the extraordinary belief that the nastiest of men for the nastiest of motives will somehow work together for the benefit of all.” - doesn't sound like any capitalist I know. Also, he spent his entire career fighting against capitalism, which he wanted to be controlled by the state... which is socialism. But yeah, he was a capitalist.
"But socialism is about production. Because: consumption follows production."
Yes, supply-side economics, which is based on the Labour Theory of Value, and why it consistently falls apart.
"The Nazi state (as a representative of the public) was never a PRODUCER, it was only the biggest CUSTOMER. That's why the Nazi economy indeed was Keynesian. And so was Mussolini's Italy, btw, and it was so explicitly."
WATCH THE VIDEO. I show how the State was in control of the economy. They nationalized the industries - even though Marxists like to claim that they 'privatized' them. I showed this in the video.
"They were racists and capitalistic imperialists."
WATCH THE VIDEO. There's an entire section showing how 'fascist imperialism' was actually socialist imperialism.
"To call others "socialist" is often nothing but a slur."
People who call for the state control of the means of production are socialist. It's not a slur, it's a fact.
"Hitler proactively adopted this slur and turned it into a buzzword for his own capitalistic, racist, social Darwinist ideology."
Again, there's an entire section of the video dedicated to his racism and Social Darwinism that explains why it's there.
"And under the conditions of public ownership, there is also NO PROFIT. All income is WAGE."
That's why it falls apart.
"the dictatorship of the proletariat. Which is the dictatorship of a class!"
Why are you talking about Marxism? We're meant to be talking about Socialism, or National Socialism.
""Publicly owned" does not necessarily mean "state owned". "
Publicly owned ALWAYS means state owned. That's literelly what it means, and I showed why in the Public vs Private video https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
"But it was "private" with collective ownership: COOPERATIVES."
Oh yes, hundreds or thousands or millions or people = an individual (private). Watch the Public vs Private video to learn how wrong this statement is.
"To put everything under state control, that's not Stalin, that was Khrushchev. He sacked the entire private sector of cooperatives, because he deemed the usually high incomes there as "theft" from society. He even tried to sack the kolkhozes and make all agriculture state owned sovkhozes, but that's another story of desaster..."
Wow, this has to be the worst explanation of the economy of the USSR I've ever heard. Well done.
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"I said that he said that it is about the workers owning collectively the means of production, there is nothing about state control"
And what exactly do you think this "collective" is? When the workers rise up and seize the means of production from the 'owner' class, what happens is they form a worker's council. A 'council' in Russian is called a 'Soviet'. So, when these soviets/councils combine together to protect themselves against the evil individuals unwilling to have their property stolen from them by other people, this leads to a Union of Soviet Socialists Republics (the USSR), which is a government.
A government is - "the group of people with the authority to govern a country or state; a particular ministry in office." If a group of people seize a factory, they become the local government of that factory. They become the state. So, when you say that it's about 'the workers owning the means of production collectively', what you're actually saying (whether you realise it or not) is worker-state control.
"It is two very different things that people working in a factory own the factory and that the state owns the factory."
In order for the workers to gain control of the means of production, they have to rise up and kill the owner class (the bourgeoisie). Because let's face it, if you own something, you're not going to just let a bunch of other people steal it off you. And no respectible government is going to allow a mob citizens to kill or harm another bunch of citizens. So when these workers rise up, they have to topple the government as well. This is called a "Socialist Revolution". And again, the worker's collective councils will form together to create their own government, which will abolish private property rights to prevent survivors of the revolution from claiming back their property, and to prevent individuals setting up their own factories or whatever to "exploit the workers". Therefore, these collectives of workers become the state.
"Now you could argue that you need state power to achive this state of affairs. Well fair enough, but you also need state power to have private property on factories and companies."
Yes, but a government that passes one law that says individual human beings may own property and do what they want with their own property, and then leaves the economy alone to do its own thing, is different from the state dictating how each and every factory and company operates. Also, what you have to remember is that property rights actually develop prior to the government. An individual says "these clothes on my back are mine" and that's that. If a group of private individuals in society then get together to form a government, are they then going to change their minds and say "tell you what, all this property we individually have prior to the forming of government is now everyone's to share"? No, because that is not what happened across every civilization that has ever come into existence in history.
Even little kids horde things. Humans naturally want to collect things, and buy things, and have things. The first state in existence didn't say "ok we can all have property now". The individuals who created the first state already had property. The laws that came into existence after the founding of the first states just confirmed that individuals could own property, and that anyone who stole from others would be criminals and be punished.
"Ok I see you will simply not accept that not everyone applies the definitions you use. But even if we agree on them, there are still vast differences in economic policies between the USSR and Nazi Germany."
Right we're actually getting to the main debate now. Shame you didn't read my previous comments in this thread because the evidence is overwhelming.
"Yes, in Nazi Germany you had public economic investments, but the private property remained untouched"
Nope! Sorry, the Nazis banned private property the first month they came to power. Did you not read my previous comments? If you read my comments in this thread above you will clearly see that on the 28th of February 1933, the Nazis banned private property. The privatization that took place was a slight of hand. The German-Aryan People's State owned the means of production collectively.
"while in the USSR it was collectivized"
Oh so state ownership is the definition of socialism? Good to know that. Also, it's worth pointing out that you can own farms without collectivising them. That's what the Nazi government did. See my previous comments regarding Hitler and Backe.
Also, collectivization only occurred in 1932. This was ~15 years after the Revolution. The Nazis were only in power 12 years, and so they certainly hadn't finished implementing their version of socialism. This can be seen in several ways, but the fact that they hadn't starved the 20 to 30 million Slavs in Russia, or murdered all the Jews, are two examples of the fact that they didn't (thankfully) have the ability to fully implement their racial-socialism.
"the USA under FDR were more socialist than the Third Reich, since the amount of investment in social security and public infrastructure was way larger in the USA than in Germany at that time (watch the video of Three Arrows for evidence)."
Well, for starters, yes FDR was implementing socialist policies, so this is a non-argument. Just because one country or party does more socialism than another doesn't mean that the other country or party wasn't socialist. FDR didn't leave the markets to do their own thing, and heavily intervened. That is state ownership or control of the economy, and therefore a socialist policy.
"Now you could say that private property remained untouched in the USA. Guess what, the same was the case in Germany."
I don't recall the USA ever abolishing private property. I might be wrong though...
"It is you who is twisiting history not me."
I'm afraid I'm not.
"And again I even don't think you yourselv are a libertarian you just got hijacked by their history twisting propaganda."
Who said I was a libertarian? Who says I'm not a socialist?
"It is their agenda to group everything we consider bad together (USSR, Third Reich) and then associte it with every kind of social or public economic policy."
Because it is! Again, I'll repeat it over and over until you grasp it - socialism is state, social, public intervention (ownership or control) of the economy. Capitalism does not want the government to interfere.
"It takes more then blindness not to see the agenda behind that in place."
My agenda is to prevent and stop distortions of history. I have socialists claiming in this comment section that the Soviet Union wasn't socialist. And they can do that because people have forgotten what socialism actually is. THAT is a distortion of history.
"But thank you anyway. Until now I thought that I had overreacted by unsubscribing, now I know that it was the right thing to do."
Read my previous comments in this thread in response to "Common Sense1776". I have used overwhelming evidence to confirm my points. Three Arrows and other people may continue to spout the idea that Nazi Germany is capitalist, but then I would ask them - which private business owned the Holocaust? And why did Hitler start WW2? Without his socialism, you cannot explain either of those things.
"Nonetheless an advice: keep on what you have specialized, because there you do a decent to very good job."
I'll let you into a little secret - I know more about economics and the interwar period that I've let on. The WW2 studying only started after I started this channel. Prior to that, the period 1850-1950 in European history was my speciality (economically, socially and government foreign policy). Then after these videos had such a backlash, I thought "ok, maybe I did get it wrong" and went back and did a ton more research. Turns out, I was right. And I'm not backing down on this. It makes zero sense for the Nazis to be capitalist. If they were, WW2 wouldn't have happened.
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To address your points -
Socialism is the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). If it is the social (worker's state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy), then it's Marxism (which is what you think 'socialism' is). If it is the social (German/Aryan people's state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy), then it is National Socialism.
Therefore, there’s three things you need to realize. 1. socialism does not necessarily mean Marxist (class) Socialism. It could mean National (race) Socialism. 2. When I say National Socialism is socialism, I mean it’s socialism, not Marxism. 3. socialism is shown by the level of state control, which is opposite to capitalism, since capitalism is about less state control -
Capitalism is the private (individual, non-state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy).
Hitler is both anti-Marxist, and anti-capitalist because he thinks the Jews are causing a class crisis within capitalism to bring in Marxism, so that they can destroy the world. He therefore wants to bring in racial-socialism in order to stop this.
"Hitler imprisoned and killed socialists, democrats, communists, union leaders and other dissenters (along with some church leaders and conservatives)."
This is an example of state control, since it is the state cracking down on private businesses and organizations. However, the ‘socialists’ he killed were Ernst Röhm and his associates. These were a small number of (1,000) of socialists out of the large SA (3,000,000 strong) who were supposedly planning a coup on Hitler. This was in-fighting within the Party, rather than ideological opponents.
“he established the German Labour Front (DAF) which replaced all other independent trade unions”
At first, getting rid of trade unions looks like an example of getting rid of socialism. But is this really the case? What is a trade union? A trade union is an organization (usually Marxist in nature) of workers (class) who are opposing the employer (class). Since trade unions are based on class and not race, they’re an example of Marxism within capitalism.
Hitler replaces the Marxist (class) trade unions with the racial-state’s “German Labour Front” (DAF). The state is now in control of the workers - a sign of socialism. Since trade unions (private organizations) are no longer around, this is a sign of anti-capitalism, as well as anti-Marxism.
“gave more power to employers and made them solely responsible for decisions affecting the workers and their welfare”
Since class has been abolished, working class doesn’t exist in a racial state. All that matters is the race. And it wasn’t the employers in control, it was the state. As you will see in my follow up message, employers were completely dominated by the state.
“What redistribution of wealth was that? The Nazis did not redistribute wealth.”
You are severely mistaken. I’ll show you in the follow up message just how high taxes were increased for businesses and employers in order to redistribute wealth.
“[Hitler] believed the individual should work for the community but this effectively meant the elites and the state.”
Which is a sign of socialism, since socialism is the state.
“Hitler was inconsistent on this anyway since the nazis did occasionally rant against capitalism but were effectively in favour of it.”
Again, you will see in the follow up message just how non-capitalist the Nazi state was.
“The points about socialism were put in at the insistence of Drexler and Feder and Hitler was increasingly against them as time went on (Shirer p.41, 126-27, 143)”
Shirer’s book may as well have been written by Franz Halder, and is massively out of date. And actually, Hitler was not against socialism no matter how much Shirer of Halder say he was.
“The Nazis engaged in mass privitisation of government property and industry in the early 1930s and even into the war. The term "privitisation" was coined by a writer (Maxine Sweezy) in the 1941 documenting the "reprivitisation" of government assets under the Nazis. The term was also first used in german publications in the 1930s. This is something Stalin and communists did not do.”
And it is time to read my next comment where I will explain this ‘privatization’.
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@1207rorupar - If he's read 1984 by George Orwell, he may understand the concept of Doublethink and Newspeak. Well, the terms 'capitalism' and 'socialism' have been Newspeaked by postmodernist-socialists to hide their true meaning. You can tell this is true because certain things don't make any sense when questions are asked. If Hitler's a capitalist (people who like free trade), why did he have a policy of Autarky? If Hitler is a capitalist, then how can the abolishment of private (free market) youth organizations and the creation of the state (socialist) youth organization, the Hitler Youth, be explained? These questions require a socialist to make a lot of double-think and newspeak in order to answer them.
If you ask him to define 'socialism' and 'capitalism' and he says anything other than 'state control of the economy' and 'private (individual, non-state, or free market) control of the economy', then he doesn't have the correct terms. He may have the socialist terms - but again, they mask the true meaning. Socialization means group-control. Group means non-private (individual), and thus is "Public" (from the Latin "publicum" meaning "state"). Socialists are just using newspeak to hide the true meaning of the word. And if you don't have the right terms, how can you know what Hitler's regime is or isn't? You can tell him that prior to 1956, socialism was well-defined. Then post Hungarian revolution, it started to be muddied. This is historic, and you can see it in the sources.
If he wants to deny that the Soviet Union had state control of the economy, he's not read a history book. If he's trying to deny that Hitler wasn't a socialist, then ask him to define 'socialism'. I'm working on a video which explains the two out historically, going right back into ancient history in order to show it. In the meantime, he could try reading these sources (probably in this order) -
Brown, A. "How 'socialist' was National Socialism?"
Reisman, G. "Why Nazism was Socialism and why Socialism is Totalitarian."
Muravchik, J. “Heaven on Earth: The Rise and Fall of Socialism.”
Zitelmann, R. “Hitler: The Politics of Seduction.” (hard to get hold of)
Mises, L. "Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysis." (original 1932, but updated). Mises explains why capitalism and socialism are, explains why socialism can never work, and later goes on to tackle National Socialism and Fascism, which Mises fled from in the late 1930s.
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"Despite the Rassenschande laws, Germans also had sex with Jewish women. Sex with Jews, even in brothels, was not allowed for any German military members. Seidler writes that Wehrmacht members who knew the person with whom they were sexual was Jewish faced “serious consequences.” SS officers, police officers, and police officials with officers’ rank faced the death sentence. Still, a man had to know that the woman was Jewish to be punished. Therefore, if someone claimed he was unaware of the woman’s Jewishness – he was not punished. In his research, Seidler found that this is what happened for most offenses. If a man was caught he simply had to say he did not realize the “whore” was Jewish, since it was not always obvious by outward appearance." - Gertjejanssen, "Victims, Heroes, Survivors," P67.
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Okay, this quote from Das Kapital volume 1 must have gone over my head. But you know more than me, so perhaps you can explain it for me:
“The capitalist knows that all commodities, however scurvy they may look, or however badly they may smell, are in faith and in truth money, inwardly circumcised Jews, and what is more, a wonderful means whereby out of money to make more money.” - Marx, Das Kapital volume 1, page 107.
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Yes, murdering women and children of the bourgeoisie in a bloody revolution isn't evil or anything. Shipping "bourgeois nationals" to the Gulag slave labour camps after invading the Baltic States, Poland and parts of Romania isn't evil or anything. /s
Don't threaten me with an "unsubscribe" - such tactics won't work. I'm not counting the number of subscribers I have. I'm more interested in having a smaller number of good, open-minded, willing to discuss and debate, and civil subscribers than a huge mass of arrogant and ignorant sheep who are so wrapped up in their own beliefs they fail to notice the lies and contradictions inherent in their own ideology.
And yes, I've read some of Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Rosa Luxembourg, and Keynes. I've also read about Hitler and the National Socialist ideology. Surprising how similar the two socialist ideologies are to be honest.
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Just like me when I was a Socialist, you haven't yet figured out the true nature of your ideology. You are aware that Socialism in many countries led to starvation and death, but can't grasp why policies like the minimum wage or rent controls are bad things.
When I realized the true nature of the ideology, I realized I had been led astray. I had been tricked. And I abandoned it instantly. Then, after a lot of criticism by people for announcing my conviction that Hitler was a Socialist, I read books on Capitalism, and realized it wasn't at all what I thought it was either.
In other words, my entire world view got turned upside down. I had taken the Red Pill, was unplugged from the Matrix, and could now see the world as it truly was.
My recommendation to you is for you to read the books "Economics in One Lesson" by Henry Hazlitt and "Basic Economics" by Thomas Sowell. I also recommend that you watch my Public vs Private video followed by the "What Causes Recessions and Depressions" video, the "Karl Marx's Anti-Semitism", and the Hitler's Socialism video, if you haven't done so already. If you do, you might realize why voting for Socialism is like putting the noose around your own neck.
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Hindsight is the reason why. Some historians were questioning it (e.g. Anton Joly) but hadn't confirmed it. It seemed legit, especially with regards to the Grain Elevator, which is why I didn't pick up on it until later. It was only when I came to the 22nd of October that I realized that Hoffman wasn't in the area of the factories, which is when I put two and two together. Once I realized that, I looked at it with more scrutiny and found more errors or questionable statements. So unless you're specifically looking for inconsistencies, or trying to prove that a source is fake, then you probably won't have noticed that it was fake. Plus, the diary is actually very vague, which makes it more difficult to prove as false.
But now you should see why many historians are concluding things about WW2 that simply aren't the case. I've got my controversial videos out there questioning the narrative, and a lot of people trying to defend it. The reality is that, unless you're questioning everything (asking: "But is this really the case?") you'll just buy into what you're being told and not be thinking critically. I think this is where a lot of people are going wrong.
I also think that because a lot of historians don't put things in chronological order, and tend to skip parts of the battle, and also don't do what I do - put as many units on the field of battle and watch them move about - they wouldn't have noticed where the 267th Infantry Regiment was, and they wouldn't have spotted the errors in Hoffman's account. Therefore, if anyone was questioning the idea that video-documentaries are 'real' history, you would need to think again because video offers advantages that traditional media simply can't compete with.
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When you get Citino's book, I'd like you to do something for me. Read Citino, and compare what he's saying to what you've read in Shirer's book, especially what was said in Chapter 26 "The Great Turning Point: 1942 - Stalingrad and El Alamein". See if there's any contradictions. And ask yourself, why is that?
I don't want to give anything away, but I will say it'll be a great exercise for you. And when you do this, I hope you'll understand why I say over and over again, you have to question everything you see, think and hear, and be ready to change your opinion when new evidence is available. And why I recommend you read as many books from as many different angles as you can, and compare them. Question the motives of the authors. Ask why they formed the opinions they did. THAT is history at its finest.
And as far as other books, what are you most interested in? Are there specific battles? Campaigns? For the Eastern Front, I've recommended Overy's "Russia's War" several times in this comment section. It's short but good. So if you're interested in the Eastern Front, I'd recommend that too.
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"You're making an ideological case for libertarianism in a video explaining military logistics."
No I'm not. I'm explaining the economic calculation problem inherent in a system that has no prices.
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"Also militaries can't be organised by price because there would need to be a price on risking your life."
Value is subjective. There is a price for risking ones life. People do it all the time in dangerous industries, e.g. mining, construction, oil rigging, sailing... Militaries can be organized by price. Mercenaries manage it.
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"As long as there's conscription the whole "soldiers buy more bullets"-argument doesn't work."
I'm not for conscription, taxation or inflation. However, you can absolutely do it with conscription, taxation and inflation. Rather than paying the armaments factories directly, you'd pay the soldiers themselves and tell them to order their own equipment and ammunition (in the barracks first before going to war). That would set up the price system.
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"Clearly, the socialism in Germany and the dictatorship-related inefficiencies hurt them a great deal. Was this the case of the Russians?"
Yes, absolutely.
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"It seems that the Americans dealt with this much better and their high-tech actually worked."
True, but at a massive cost to living standards at home. I've been over this in my Great Depression 1946 video.
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"Was it because they were a democracy and selected their leaders less on ideological affiliation and more on competence, as seems to be common in democracies?"
No, it was because they sat out of the war for the first couple of years, waited until Britain was bankrupt (having paid for their stuff from the United States), and then created Lend Lease straight after. This allowed them to fund the war at the expense of other powers.
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"All of those would've been really interesting points, but instead, you chose to preach you ideology of Libertarianism"
Half of the points you mentioned have nothing to do with the German Army. This video was focused on the German Army, and I had to explain the economic calculation problem that was inherent to it. I did that, then offered the solution. I'm sorry that you don't like the solution to the problem.
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@abuseofmainstreammediacanh5713 "It is very important to know that there is a very strong "filter" applied when you look at this through the lens of history written for and by English speaking nations. Unfortunately, this filter is "visible" in this very interesting video.... So, watching this French documentary, I was astonished to the point that I went checking if it was really about the same event! I don't say that the French have it all right and the Brits all wrong - as usual the truth is somewhere in between. Hearing a British Historian talking about the Free French makes me often think of this Churchill quote " History will be kind to me for I intend to write it." "
I get your concern, but I think it's misplaced in this instance. I used French historian Henri de Wailly's book as the primary source of information for this video. So if nothing else, I was presenting the facts as a French historian agreed with. Yes I did avoid French politics (mainly because of the complexity), and I did present it from a Free French and British point of view (mainly because that's what the question asked), but I don't believe that the "filter" you speak of is actually there. The question was asked about the Allied perspective, which is why the answer is presented from the Allied point of view. Other than that "bias", and the fact I was avoiding French politics, in what way was a filter provided?
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The Eastern Front books I recommend are the ones I use most often. So, "Russia's War" by Overy is a great place to start because it's small and compact. Then "When Titan's Clashed" by Glantz, for a more operational overview of the war. Then something like "Death of the Wehrmacht" by Citino (although this particular book only covers 1942, it's amazing, and Citino's books are good in general). And Enduring the Whirlwind is also a good one, more of a study than a chronology, but a very good one that deserves a look since it questions several assumptions about the German war effort.
Beyond them, I would say you should avoid getting memoirs for now. The reason is you need to understand what happened first with the secondary sources (books written by historians) before you get the first hand accounts. Memoirs are usually biased and twisted, so it's best avoiding them until you have a fuller understanding of the events and have books you can compare facts to.
And beyond that, I would strongly suggest you specialize, like I said in the video. Rather than looking at every battle, eventually I'd say you should pick one you're most interested in and really focus on it. Get several books on it, and dive into the debates surrounding it. That's when you'll really get the most out of history.
Hope this helps :)
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Aiden, again, everything you have said here couldn't be more untrue. I provided timestamps, I addressed the idea of Mussolini's regime persecuting Jews in the Fascism video, and it's you who has insulted me numerous times in the comments. I cannot get through to you, or Mike Mcmike, or others, how incorrect you are. I cannot understand why you would spend so much of your time replying to people, and getting frustrated over them when they ignore you or tell you to actually watch the video because your points have already been refuted. You have got the time, you just automatically assume you're right. Well, you're not.
Watch the video. Listen. Learn.
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"Hegel's entire philosophy starts from the recognition that there are things about which logic and experience cannot provide definitive answers."
Well, that's where he's wrong.
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"Limits for human logical and empirical knowledge. The Kantian 'noumenon', so to speak."
Yes, empirical knowledge alone isn't sufficient. We must use an Objective epistemology, not empirical.
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" 'Reality' (and/or our experience of reality) is not always logical and non-contradictory."
Of course it is. Reality does not contradict itself. There may APPEAR to be contradictions, and man might error and make contradictions, but man making an error is not a contradiction in and of itself, nor is an appearance of a contradiction a contradiction. If you have a contradiction, that means that you (or someone else) has got something wrong, or there's a clue about reality that you've not yet understood.
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"His dialectic is an attempt to deal with contradiction"
Exactly. This is the problem. By embracing contradictions, Hegel has rejected reality. He has assumed reality is not real, because it "contradicts" itself, even though it doesn't. This is where he's gone wrong.
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"but Hegel's original intent is not to establish an irrationalist mysticism just for the sake of it"
Perhaps that wasn't his original intent, but that's certainly how it ended up being. Once you reject reality, you will end up in mysticism.
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"but rather to try to find a means of investigating issues and answering questions for which - by definition - logic and experience can say nothing"
As explained in my recent video "But how do you know you're right" ( https://youtu.be/chgZcPzfbeI ), there is a method that can help you perceive reality that doesn't rely on just logic and experience. This method rejects empiricism and mysticism, because it is Objective. Therefore, these issues and questions you have are not "by definition" impossible like you said they were.
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"I've been researching more about ideologies and politics to try and make my believes more concrete. Unfortunately as a university student I have little time to read many books and I often resort to watching YouTube for information."
This is a major problem, not just for you, but for everyone. I would advise that you to remain neutral in politics at the very least until you've done sufficient reading on a given topic. Always question everything that you hear or read. There's a new phrase that I'm going to start using which I think sums up my stance: "know all perspectives or know nothing at all". If you cannot fully understand the alternative perspectives, then you're not fully informed and should remain neutral. Ideologues will then try and pressure you into taking their side, which should indicate to you who has jumped to stupid conclusions rather than having studied the subject soberly.
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"Was their any reason in particular you use the Jaico Publishing Translation?"
No particular reason, it was just what was available on Amazon at the time. Amazon no longer sells Mein Kampf at all, and I did a video about that a while ago... I tried to learn German, but my ridiculous schedule simply won't permit me to do it.
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"...I wonder if you would be able to do a response video to the YouTuber Hakim?"
I've got a few Marxians making videos directed at me... but I think my time is better spent doing reading and research, and providing everyone with as much information as possible to make their own decisions. The reason some of these Marxians are targeting me directly is because I'm hitting them where it hurts. They're on the defensive, not me. And the more information I provide, the more evidence they'll have to ignore, which will make them look even more dishonest than they do already.
As an example, one of them recently "debunked" me by quoting Hitler's speech in March 1933 where he said (paraphrased) "don't worry guys, I'm not going to steal your property off you". This is fine, except he did steal the property off people AFTER March 1933. He stole the property off the Communists, the Socialists, the Churches, the businessmen, the Jews, and many others besides. But apparently, because he said in March 1933 that he wouldn't, then I'm wrong 🙄
And this same person who "debunked" me with this March 1933 speech has claimed elsewhere that I'm "just believing what Hitler says". Clearly, he was projecting, since Hitler's actions in this case go against his words, whereas in many other instances, Hitler's actions and his words are in alignment.
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I've used sources I agree with and sources I don't, yet that's "cherry picking" to you? 🤨
Even if I had cherry picked, you should be able to integrate the evidence I've presented with your own views. So there's no reason to be scared of watching my videos. Sure, you may not agree with them, but at the very least you'll receive copious amounts of new evidence and hear and understand the argument presented by someone who's sees the world differently than you. You don't have to agree, but wouldn't it be an interesting thing to see?
Also, there were 2.9 million SA members. Only 85 to 100 people were killed in the Night of the Long Knives, many of them non-SA members (like the conservatives). I know some sources claim higher numbers, but, as explained in the video, they were based on newspapers at the time who were guessing, and who named people who they said were the victims but who had actually committed the crime.
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The main problem with the late war is that, while you do have legitimate German unit compositions, the Germans couldn't actually man them any more. Post-Kursk, they do have a manpower crisis, and most of their units were understrength. They were scraping the barrel when it came to new recruits, as well as air-force and navy personnel. This is the point, before Kursk they did have hte manpower, post-Kursk (and especially, post-Bagration) the Germans simply didn't have the manpower or resources to sustain their units in the field. But, this fact has been twisted by some to mean it was a gradual decline from 1941, but that's not the case. It's up and down until Kursk, and then the decline happens.
But even post-Kursk, they still had a relatively decent amount of tanks and SPGs, even though overall numbers were down compared to previous years. But they no longer had the infantry to support them with. This meant the tanks struggled against enemy anti-tank guns, and explains why they weren't able to break through to the operational depths any more like they had in the early war battles. They'd also lost air superiority, and there was a colossal lack of fuel. So, strategically and operationally the Germans were at a severe disadvantage, even if their tactical formations were more balanced compared to the early-war period.
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Other counter arguments include Ernst Rohm’s Putsch, where people will say that the Nazis killed socialists. However, this is actually an example of state control, since it is the state cracking down on private businesses and organizations.The ‘socialists’ that Hitler killed were Ernst Röhm and his associates. These were a small number of (1,000) of socialists out of the large SA (3,000,000 strong) who were supposedly planning a coup on Hitler. This was in-fighting within the Party, rather than ideological opponents.
Another counterargument is that Hitler got rid of trade unions. And, at first, getting rid of trade unions looks like an example of getting rid of socialism. But is this really the case? What is a trade union? A trade union is an organization (usually Marxist in nature) of workers (class) who are opposing the employer (class). Since trade unions are based on class and not race, they’re an example of Marxism within capitalism.
Hitler replaces the Marxist (class) trade unions with the racial-state’s “German Labour Front” (DAF). The state is now in control of the workers - a sign of socialism. Since trade unions (private organizations) are no longer around, this is a sign of anti-capitalism, as well as anti-Marxism. It also misses the point that Lenin was against trade unions as well, despite being a Marxist-socialist.
So, with the above quotes, we can see that private property was abolished and that the capitalist businessmen were in trouble. They were not, as some claim, "supporting Hitler" and ruling the roost. They were under the socialist thumb. Similarly we have a heavy-state involvement in land reform in order to ‘socialize’ it. We also have price controls and high taxes restricting any effective ‘capitalism’ that may have been going on in the economy. All this is in addition to the fact that Hitler had restricted Germany’s trade with the world (“international-Jewish-finance” as he called it), severely limiting capitalism. We have the destruction of trade unions (both capitalist and Marxist in nature) and their replacement with the state. Therefore, what we have here is a planned socialist economy, not capitalism.
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Yes, Andrea is correct. A total consensus on such an important issue doesn't seem right to me. I think it is worth exploring that, or at least inspiring someone else to do a little digging to figure out more information about it.
And not only that, but the scholars who are against Rommel here may not have considered all the facts. If Auchinleck hadn't propped up Cunningham, Rommel's plan may have worked. Hindsight says it didn't, but at the time it looked possible. And Crüwell may have been at fault for the losses, which in turn reduced the impact the panzers could have had at the frontier.
And even if that's still incorrect, fine. However, at least by explaining Rommel's perspective, we can see why he attempted the Dash in the first place. It wasn't because he was 'mad' or anything, but simply saw things differently. Ultimately he misjudged the situation given the facts he had available. But his willingness to take risks and "dashes" is what makes him the general he is. His tactics often worked. Not this time, and I think it's worth asking why it didn't work as well?
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"No, you don't understand e.g. Market Socialism. A sole trader would be sharing the profits of their business with their employees (themselves)."
That's private ownership of the means of production (capitalism), not "market socialism". The individual business owner of private property is sharing his profits with his employees - giving them a wage. That's precisely what capitalism is. Many Marxists, including these idiots on Reddit (who are quoting from other Marxist sources), define capitalism as the "means of production... owned and operated by private individuals in pursuit of profit" https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/skcnvq/were_the_nazis_socialists_1_national_socialism/
Well, that's precisely the definition I'm using (although I would include "loss" in there too). But apparently, you consider this to be "market socialism".
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"Breathing is not a property right."
Your body is your private property. That's why the Marxists want to abolish it.
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"Read an economics text to understand what "property rights" means."
I understand what property is, and I understand the Statist interpretation of what they think "rights" are. You misunderstood me because you haven't done any research on free market economics.
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"What is to stop me from taking your business, if there is no legal system?"
1, I will stop you.
2, There is a legal system in anarcho-capitalism and it will stop you. The fact that you don't know this is proof that you haven't done any research on the topic. You can start here https://youtu.be/V0_Jd_MzGCw
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"A fight on my hands? I somehow don't think it would be much of one, having watched your videos. But of course, someone stronger than me could them come and take what I've taken from you."
And if I can't handle it myself, I'll get my friends, family, or if necessary the local private non-State non-monopoly police force (depending on the nature of the threat).
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"This is what makes Anarcho Capitalism an oxymoron."
You don't know what an oxymoron is. Even if anarcho-capitalism doesn't work, that doesn't make it oxymoronic. What would make it oxymoronic if there was an inherent contradiction in what it was calling for. So, if I said there was a "cold fire", that would be oxymoronic because it's two opposite things. You can't have a fire (hot) that is cold.
Well, something that is pro-State and anti-State at the same time (anarcho-socialism) is an oxymoron, because "anarcho" means non-state, while "socialism" is a state. While for anarcho-capitalism, "anarcho" means anti-state, and capitalism is also "anti-state", since the free market is free from government control.
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"Now, you need a common system that sets out what transgressions that defence force will defend you against and the punishment for such transgressions. Seems like you have a state..."
The local independent corner shop is not a state. A local independent police station is not a state.
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What about if someone who's Dutch wrote a book saying that Gavin was to blame for the failure of Operation Market Garden, would that undermine the whole "patriotic" and "nationalistic" argument you've going on there? Yes it would, and here it is - Lost at Nijmegen by R.G. Poulussen http://amzn.to/1UfBRQ7
So let me make this clear to everybody. Nobody is pointing fingers at the USA, or Britain, or Poland or any other nation state and blaming an ENTIRE COUNTRY for the failure of this (or any other) operation. Nor do we decide blame based on race, gender, creed or patriotic standing. Why? Because that would be moronic. Blind patriotism is something we should all discourage. Nationalism too. Instead, we should look for a true understanding of what actually happened free from such silly distractions.
You cannot learn the lessons of history if they've been clouded by lies and deception. Patriotism is deception. Browning made questionable decisions. Urquhart was the wrong man for the job. 1st Airborne fought hard, but got a lot of things wrong. Frost got to Arnhem bridge. The 101st got a lot of things right, and probably did the best of the three airborne divisions. The 82nd took most of their objectives with ease. The Polish saved 1st Airborne. The soldiers and generals of all nations fought hard. Nobody is denying that.
But people make mistakes. Someone has to take the blame. And some of us think that not issuing clear orders to your officers to take a vital bridge... the only bridge not taken intact or not on the first day... until several hours after you've landed... and then having the Germans beat you to that bridge by mere minutes... and then spending the next four days trying desperately to take that very bridge... having to send your paratroopers over a river in paddle boats like marines which they weren't trained to do to take it from the other side... risking their lives to take an objective that could have been taken on day one... was the main reason for the failure of Operation Market Garden.
And maybe those people are wrong. But let's discuss that without bringing patriotism into it.
“If words of command are not clear and distinct, if orders are not thoroughly understood, then the general is to blame. But, if orders are clear and the soldiers nevertheless disobey, then it is the fault of their officers.” - Sun Tzu, Art of War
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As Marx/Engels said in Das Kapital volume 3, "socialized man" in "common control" of the means of production is socialism. Therefore, if the socialized-race is in common control of means of production, which is what Hitler himself said, then that is socialism.
When I realized that socialism was based on splitting society into artificial social groups (class, race, gender, nationality etc) in order to exploit them and gain power for a small elite, I began to look deeper into the economics of the situation. That's when I discovered that socialism is based on force - the social group will take your property off you in order to make everything "fairer" for them.
Except it's not fair for those who they have stolen off, and doesn't benefit the "us" group in the long run. Stealing from one person to give to another does not increase thr living standards for both people. That's a "zero-sum" mentality (if one person has more, then it's because he's taken it from me). When in reality, economics is not a zero-sum game. Living standards can rise for both people if production increases. The more goods there are, the cheaper the goods, which means there's more for everyone.
The best way to increase productivity is through incentives - rewarding the individual, or those who invest in new production. And increasing the money supply doesn't increase productivity. Doubling everyone's income doesn't double the amount of goods being produced.
Taking the state out of the economy and letting the individuals decide what to do with their own wealth is what grows an economy the fastest way. The evidence is clear if you're willing to look (which socialists will not). Every socialist state in history has been an economic shambles, and wasn't "fair" to the people that lived within those states. A free economy rewards you for working hard and punishes you for not working hard. That is fair to those willing to put the work in.
But yes, this is all propaganda. Not backed by the historical reality or anything. I recommend Hazlitt's "Economics in One Lesson" for a simple and effective lesson in basic economics.
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People need to eat. When society collapses and the currency is worthless, food will still have value.
Well, the same applies to gold, silver, other metals, wood, concrete, bricks, water, and every commodity under the sun. The point is that gold was traditionally used as money because it's the best commodity to do that (for numerous reasons I won't get into here). That's why, despite the collapse of society and the currency in Venezuela, Venezuelans have started turning to gold to purchase things https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-20/venezuelans-break-off-flakes-of-gold-to-pay-for-meals-haircuts
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As I said to someone under the pinned comment, my viewers have made it clear that it's not worth my time to "respond" to Fredda. Here's some comments from my viewers:
"Hey Tik the Channel Fredda made a slader piece against you, he takes you out of Context and goes with bad faith against you, to make you look like an idiot. He is a Socialist, and he got butthurt about you calling Nationalsocialist, well Socialist." - N.
"A socialist youtuber named fredda with a pretty decent sized channel attempted a full debunk of you. I watched his videos before and lets just say he uses some of the most normie and fallacious arguments I have ever seen. For instance, the suicide rate in Greenland is higher than Denmark, so Fredda states that this must be caused by oppression of Greenlandic culture ignoring that the cities with the highest suicide rate in Greenland are the most Danish populated as well as the high acholism and low sunlight in Greenland. However, I think a response would probably be worthy if even just a community post." - O.
"Hey man I just wanna say that there's this Marxist YouTuber Fredda who said he wants to debunk you, be has some braindead but his fan base will eat everything up. You should look forward to debuking him" - C.
"The dude's a sham. He shouldn't waste his time on a hit piece when you can actually fact check fredda and see that he either doesn't know what he's talking about or is flat out lying about TIK. I made a low quality 3h video response to the video directly capturing my screen with obs that I never uploaded. so in a sense yes I can since I spent about 6~8 hours of my life going back and forth between fredda's video and TIK's videos and I know exactly when and where he's either misinformed or lying. At some point in his video he claims he's been following TIK for over 5 years but he can't realize TIK's already responded to some of the video's claims. I can promise you that fredda's video is not a good video. I'd like to immediately respond but I have to be present at work atm" - J.
"On cue Fredda starts strawmanning the video 3 hours after it drops on X. Doesn't even address the thesis or majority of the video for that matter. Funniest part of that he is trying to use his ole "disagreeing with your own sources". Democraticmarxist is in agreement." - F.
"I do agree that the video by Fredda was quite bad, considering he used arguments I believe you have responded adequately to. The only thing in his video I believe was even worth thinking about was your use of sources in a few of your videos.... Fredda does clearly have a communist, or at the very least a socialist bias in his content, and thus it's no surprise he'd be very antagonistic against a self-proclaimed "free market guy," such as yourself. Thank you for taking the time to respond." - P.
"The Fredda meat riders on the comments being slaughtered right now lol" - Dj.
"Amazon being public or worker-owned (in share) doesn’t necessarily means it is socialist. Fredda is either confused with the concept, or he was putting words into TIK’s mouth to defame him." - O.
"Hey, TIK, are you gonna respond to Fredda's recent video about you? He says he's using sources, but he only cites 4 of them that are contemporary to WW2 and the nazis. He basically disagrees with you on definitions and that's it. I commented that, by his logic of the nazis being capitalist, the UK was still monarchist, because they still haven't completely abolished the monarchy. He also tried to best you at military logistics, apparently - because locomotives shipped to Algiers weigh over 3,500 tons and it took the british govt weeks for their big-data informed experts to do, during an operation that was already in execution... or something like that." - U.
"While a response video would be great, I wouldn’t blame him for not doing so. Fredda is a total hack and fallacious arguments are a pestilence in his video." - B.
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Socialist doctrine is all about divide and conquer. Karl Marx was about eliminating the bourgeoisie (which he also saw as the Jews). He actually called for the elimination of the Jews/bourgeoisie, and that is part of Socialist doctrine.
“We discern in Judaism… a universal antisocial element of the present time.” - Marx, On the Jewish Question.
“What is the worldly cult of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly god? Money… Money is the jealous god of Israel, beside which no other god may exist.” - Marx,On the Jewish Question.
“Christ drove the Jewish money-changers out of the temple, and that the money-changers of our age enlisted on the side of tyranny happen again to be Jews is perhaps no more than a historic coincidence.” - Marx, On the Jewish Question.
Karl Marx is saying here that the people who trade goods for money (in other words, capitalists) are Jewish, and are on the side of “tyranny”. Yes, the reason he hates capitalists is because he thinks they’re Jewish, and the reason he hates Jews is because he thinks they are capitalists. And he says this again in his last book, Das Kapital:
“The capitalist knows that all commodities, however scurvy they may look, or however badly they may smell, are in faith and in truth money, inwardly circumcised Jews, and what is more, a wonderful means whereby out of money to make more money.” - Marx, Das Kapital, P107.
Karl Marx has said that the products of the Capitalist are "inwardly circumcised Jews". In other words, the offsprings of the Capitalists are "inwardly circumcised Jews", because they Capitalists are Jewish.
But why did Marx believe that? Well, Marx believed that Capitalists were the bourgeoisie (boroughs, townfolk) who practiced Usury (lending of loans and charging interest). Since Usury was banned by the Pope in the Dark Ages, and since Jews were not allowed to own land in Christian Europe, they were forced to live in towns and became "money changers". So, for Karl Marx, the bourgeoisie were the Jews. This was why the offspring of the bourgeoisie were "inwardly circumcised Jews".
And what did Karl Marx call for? Oh yes, that's right - REAL Socialism:
“As soon as society succeeds in abolishing the empirical essence of Judaism - huckstering and its conditions - the Jew becomes impossible, because his consciousness no longer has an object… The social emancipation of the Jew is the emancipation of society from Judaism.” - Marx, On the Jewish Question.
Karl Marx was calling for the removal of the Jews/Capitalists from Society. This will allow him to usher in Socialism.
ALL SOCIALISM IS ANTI-SEMITISM.
That is why, when I realized that Hitler was a Socialist, I realized the true nature of Socialism and what it was really calling for.
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Maybe it's not factually incorrect. For example, Hitler abolished private property in the Reichstag Fire Decree of 1933, nationalized the unions and the industries, and took over the economy with wage controls, price controls, regulations and a host of other measures, creating a Zwangswirtschaft (compulsory economy) that was synchronized with the state (Gleichschaltung).
If you had bothered to watch the FIVE hour video (not four hour, as you falsely stated) you would have known these facts and more. But, of course, you already know everything, and a video with 107 sources and 350 direct references isn't going to persuade you otherwise.
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LDN yes, they swore, threw their dollies out the pram, kicked and cried out for Derrida, until they made a complete mockery of reasonable discourse. This wasn't about disagreeing - I had many nice pleasant discussions with people in that video who disagreed with me, and they were great. As tyskbulle has just said, there are going to be times were people disagree with what I say - and that's fine! But in the National Socialism was Socialism videos, this was all about Marxist ideology (to them). And the lesson is that, on the internet at least, freedom of speech is being abused. If you're like me, and want a reasonable discussion and debate over alternative view points with evidence etc, you should be concerned, because ultimately they wanted to shut that down. And, in my opinion, they succeeded in doing so on those two videos.
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"@TIK Where did I say that he was for state intervention? Please quote"
Ok -
"And speaking about Marx: no he does not say that socialism is when the state controls production. He says actually very little about socialism, because he is like 95% of the time busy analyzing capital. But when he does his definition of socialism is that workers control the means of production in a collective way or that the means of production are socialized."
There you go. You're saying that Marx does not say that socialism is when the state controls production, but then that he says that socialism is the workers ("collective", social, public, state) control of the means of production. Marxism is just the worker's state's ownership of the means of production, which is why it's classed as a socialism.
"All I did was to point out that Marx has simply a different understanding of the terms than you think and I gave a source for it."
You pointed out that he has the same definition of socialism, but he adds on the "worker" to his socialism. This is why Marxism is class-socialism. Hitler had racial-socialism, Mussolini had nationalist-socialism (Fascism - you could be an Italian Jew and that's fine for Mussolini until 1938 when Hitler pressured Mussolini to introduce racial laws), or even gender-socialism or "feminist socialism". All socialisms require the state to bring about their paradises. None of this is capitalism (non-state).
"And you can stop repeating the definitions you are basing your argument on, I got them."
I genuinely don't think you have, otherwise you wouldn't be telling me that Marx wasn't a socialist, which is basically what you're arguing in your previous message. A government is simply a public body of people who govern a state. When the workers rise up to form a collective, they become the government. And when we have a collective-social-group state, we call this socialism.
"Since you read Mein Kampf without becoming a Nazi you definetly will be able to read Capital without becoming a stalinist ( I at least succeeded)."
You're assuming I haven't had the misfortune of reading Volume 1 of Das Kapital (the only one that Marx actually wrote, since the next two were written by Engels and the fourth was written by Bernstein, who buried Engels and then announced that Marx was wrong and joined the SPD). Oh yes, I have done my research.
"Apart from that: Why do you have to start labeling me? Why do you attack me that I twist my ideology? Can we please keep this civilized?"
This is civilized. However, when you redefine terms to try and distort history, and don't fully understand what you're saying, I can absolutely point out where your logic is twisted to suit your ideology. That's not an attack on you, that's an attack on your ideology - an ideology that rejects the scientific method, rejects the rights of individuals (free speech, free thinking) in favour of the collective, rejects the idea of private property, promotes violence in order to gain its goals (seizing the means of production, collectivisation, mass exectutions and murder of social groups that are its enemies - bourgeoisie, Jews, Kulaks), promotes inequality, and (for me, the biggest issue) willingly distorts history to favour its agenda. So yes, I will attack your ideology in the context of a civilized debate on the topic, and I will point out where it is fundamentally wrong. I'm not calling you names or anything - I'm saying your definition of socialism is incorrect, and that definition was twisted post-1956 (after the Hungarian Revolution) in order to squirm away from the reality of what socialism is, in order for people to be tricked into believing that socialism works and will cure all evils. It is a trick, a newthink tactic, and a distortion of history, and it's not happening here.
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@1207rorupar - "I tried asking him exactly why was Hitler not a socialist, but he avoided the question time and time again."
Yes, a lot of people do that.
"The most clear answer he gave on the topic was the racial supremacy part of Nazism,"
Because murdering people of a different class is socialism, but murdering people of a different race is not socialism...? Yeah, that's not a valid argument. Socialism is state-control. A state can murder a class or a race and still be socialist.
"he just said that "no serious academic would date question the fact that Nazism is a far right ideology", without ever stating WHY."
This is a "don't question the ideology I clearly have and have built my life around" response.
"given his apologetic attitude towards the Soviet Union I think he may be denying the socialists elements of Nazi Germany and the USSR more out of some kind of bias in favor of left-wing ideologies than anything else."
I agree with your assessment. However, that doesn't mean he can't realize his mistake. But I wouldn't push it because you can only get people to see if they're willing to open their eyes.
"He just dismissed my points by saying that I should stop watching Jordan Peterson videos"
Sounds like he's one of the Marxist trolls who comment on my videos. They've clearly never watched any of Peterson's videos, and this is definite proof that this 'teacher' of yours is reading Far-Left literature or soaking in Far-Left news outlets (which are the majority out there).
Honestly, as much as it sucks, your best bet is not to push it. If you go too far, this guy may use and abuse his position of authority and get you in trouble. It's happened before... As I said, I've been working on an in-depth video about the definitions and I hope to clarify once and for all the terms. Marxists will probably deny it still, but at least it'll go some way towards showing them the error of their ways.
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This particular video was over 25 hours of editing the actual video-part itself, although I already had all the units made, the effects ready, the pictures gathered, music created etc. Including audio and render + upload and prep (subtitles, thumbnail etc), we're talking 40 hours at least.
Surprisingly, this video was actually quicker to edit than the previous Crusader videos, or even normal TIKhistory videos. This is partly because I had all the unit and map images ready in advance, plus those other videos required more fancy-edit-intensive animations (surprisingly). This is why I was 2 days ahead this week, and I was going to use that time to update Patreon and get to work on future videos... then my computer broke :(
I still worked on future videos though in the evenings after editing... but not saying what I'm working on haha. If you have all the images prepared and ready to go, half the battle is done. Audio can take a while, depending on the script and whatnot. I really could do with an editor, since it takes up a ton of time which could be spent doing more research etc...
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"Axis soldier's would face trial of course for committing rape."
Not in practice as this next quote makes clear -
"Despite the Rassenschande laws, Germans also had sex with Jewish women. Sex with Jews, even in brothels, was not allowed for any German military members. Seidler writes that Wehrmacht members who knew the person with whom they were sexual was Jewish faced “serious consequences.” SS officers, police officers, and police officials with officers’ rank faced the death sentence. Still, a man had to know that the woman was Jewish to be punished. Therefore, if someone claimed he was unaware of the woman’s Jewishness – he was not punished. In his research, Seidler found that this is what happened for most offenses. If a man was caught he simply had to say he did not realize the “whore” was Jewish, since it was not always obvious by outward appearance." - Gertjejanssen, "Victims, Heroes, Survivors," P67.
But otherwise I agree with the rest of your comment.
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@Black-js5ke I'm not sure about the Iranian thing if I'm honest, so I can't answer that today.
But I can answer the "HOC" question. So they deny it for a few reasons -
1. They are postmodernists, and they can just ignore contradictions in their narrative so long as it benefits them political. Politics is primary, and they're denying it for political reasons. It's the same reason other socialists deny that socialism doesn't work, even when all the evidence available points to the fact that socialism doesn't work. They deny that socialism doesn't work because a socialist would never get elected if they admitted that it doesn't work. Only by denying it can they get into a position of power.
2. Because the majority of the historians are socialists, or have bought into the socialist world view, most of them deny Hitler's Socialism. Because of this, the Nazis know there's a gaping hole in their narrative. Anyone who accepts that National Socialism was real Socialism cannot also deny the H without undermining the core principles of National Socialism. So, since the Nazis understand their own ideology better than most historians do, they've spotted this error in the historical narrative, and are using it to exploit them. I outlined this in previous videos, such as this one - https://youtu.be/go2OFpO8fyo
3. They know it will annoy their enemies if they deny it.
And there's other reasons besides this, but bottom line: it's purely a political move.
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"But if the state isn't owned by Proletariat, like I said, is it really socialist?"
Yes, because Marxist Socialism (class socialism) isn't the only version of socialism. In fact, Marx himself admits this in the Communist Manifesto when he says that there were other socialists (e.g. Christian socialists) before his socialism.
I'm saying that Hitler and the National Socialists were Race Socialists rather than Class Socialists (Marxists). Both National Socialists and Marxists are Socialists, even if they're not the same.
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"If the King controlled the state, thereby the means of production, not the proletariat, is it socialist?"
The state is NOT the means of production. "Means of production" is just another term for the "private sector". If the king controlled the State AND the means of production (so if he had his bureaucrats in charge of every business and industry, like Hitler did) then that would be classed as socialism because that is the historic definition of socialism.
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"also there is no timestamp on the other video, or i am just stupid?"
I meant timestamps in this video that we're on now. The other video is much shorter and doesn't need timestamps.
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As Farrell and the other historians point out, Fascist Italy, and Mussolini specifically, tried to save Jews from the Germans. That's why it was only after the downfall of Mussolini that Italian Jews (e.g. those in Rome) were shipped to the camps.
It's almost like I explained this and backed it up by references in the video that you didn't bother to watch.
Also, considering that Wikipedia gets the start date for the battle of Stalingrad wrong, as well as numerous parts of the battle, I don't think it's a trustworthy source. In fact, historians will tell you just that. The first thing we were taught in university was don't use Wikipedia. This is why I normally only use it to criticise it, or for pictures, or if sources are in foreign languages I can't read or something similar. It's should only be used as a last resort because the history books themselves are vastly superior, which is why I reply upon them and back up what I'm saying with in-video references.
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"Notice that e.g. a 1000 page history book does not take 700 pages to redefine common terms in a bizarre way in order to spend the next 300 pages making a political point and complaining about how you are being suppressed by academics.."
That's not what this video does. If you look at the timestamps in the description, I only defined socialism and capitalism in the 2nd Section (about 20 minutes). Bearing in mind that this video was a response to Marxists (including the Finnish Bolshevik), I then proceeded to shatter the Marxist and Nazi view of how value is created in Section 3, and then showed how the Nazis borrowed from the Marxist economic and ideological theories in Section 4, before proceeding to explain the National Socialist Economic Ideology in Section 5, and then provide numerous concrete examples of their socialism in Section 6 (almost 2 hours worth of evidence). Section 7 takes on the numerous other racist talking points (Ernst Röhm, North Korea, who's going to build the roads), before the final conclusion.
So out of all of this, instead of most of the video just being a "refining" of "common terms", and then the rest of it being "making a political point", only 10% of the video is on the definitions, and the rest of it directly addresses EVERY Marxist argument that's been made.
But again, you haven't watched the video, so you wouldn't know this.
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107 sources, 350 direct references, lots of quotes. And here's something you may find interesting -
Trade Unions are a group of people/workers. A union is a group of people, or a bundle of people... like a bundle or sticks. And a bundle of sticks is a Fasci, which is why Italian trade unions were called Fasci prior to Mussolini even entering the picture.
Fascism is trade unionism (syndicalism, which is Marxist). But instead of the syndicate state, they wanted a Corporate state. They wanted trade unions which "embodied" the nation. Body, corpse, Corporation. That's where the word comes from.
Fascists are Socialists. And Social Justice Warriors, clad in Black Shirts, running around screaming that everyone else but them are Fascists, are doing it for one reason and one reason only - they are what they claim not to be.
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"How can you have a socialist or communist country without workers controlling the means of productions (corporations still ran things in Nazis Germany)?"
1. "Worker control" is Marxist Socialism only. The "workers" (plural) being in control is also "collective" control - which means that the PUBLIC is in control. The PUBLIC SECTOR is the State.
2. Corporations ran the show in the Soviet Union too. What do you think "Soviets" were? The word "council" in Russian is "Soviet". The worker's "councils" are corporations, which is why the "Local Councils" here in the UK are nicknamed "the corpy" because a "corporation" is just another name for a "syndicate", which is socialist in nature.
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"How can the workers control or even have a say within their government without some sort of Liberal voting system in place?"
Because it's a trick. Karl Marx wrote that Socialism/Communism was totalitarian. But since that wasn't popular, he later changed tactics and declared that Socialism was democratic. This was a lie. Yet, people believed him. That's why there was a split in the Socialist Parties during the Second World War. In Germany there was a three-way split between the Majority Socialists (pro-Democracy), the Spartacists/Communists (pro-totalitarianism), and the Independent Socialists (who knew that Socialism was totalitarian, but also understood that democracy was popular, and so sat in the middle).
The point is that workers cannot have a say within their government, because the government is fundamentally totalitarian in nature. The workers have been tricked to believe that it will somehow be "democratic", without realizing that it simply cannot be.
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"A government can call itself anything it wants but if it completely contradicts those said ideas, it ain't said government (same for USSR, Red China and even in the US "Democracy"."
Democracy = "people power". Except, the people are the public, and the public is the State. So democracy is "State power". Again, you've been tricked.
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"As I understand it, the German economy was not put on to a wartime footing (that is with centralised control under Speer) until 1942"
NO, that's the lie. It was on a war footing during the 1930s BEFORE THE WAR EVEN BEGAN. I've explained this time and time again, but you don't listen because you automatically think you're correct. Watch my 5 hour Hitler's Socialism video. I've explained this.
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"It seems that you regularly conflate socialism, liberalism, libertarianism and social democracies with each other."
I can see you haven't watched my Weimar series, specifically the second episode where I addressed this criticism head on...
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"The reason we ditched the Gold Standard is because of deflationary bias."
I can see you haven't watched my Weimar series, specifically the first episode where I addressed this criticism head on...
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"Austrian Schoolers ... believe that in order to fix the economy, we need to wreck it and thus return to antigrowth, deflationary Gold Standard. "
That's not what the Austrian School believe at all. You can get a free PDF of Murray Rothbard's "America's Great Depression" right here which will explain to you what they actually suggest https://mises.org/library/americas-great-depression
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"Have you ever seen those conpiracy videos about how central banks are behind all these vast conspiracies involving the Illuminati? That's the Austrian School."
I've literally just done a video debunking this idea https://youtu.be/SnbFpR1m0zA
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In short, you're lying and making stuff up. Stop being an idiot, and start educating yourself.
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@Monkey Man - the traumatizing events descibed in this book are the events of a 7 month long battle. If it was his diary, I'd understand. But it's not. He may remember the general feeling, or certain events, but not all of them - and unfortunately he seems to remember a lot, which casts doubt on the reliability.
@Carsten Oepping - I think you're failing to understand what I'm saying. Colonel Adam was there and therefore can be "reliable" in that sense. However, the book is not reliable as a source on the battle of Stalingrad because it gets the events wrong, and has been influenced by post-war political agendas. If you want a "general feeling" of how the troops are on the Seydlitz Front and so on, fine, or his opinion what Paulus is thinking (stressing the word "opinion" here), fine. But beyond that it is not reliable. Yes, he was an important figure, but unlike a diary with the events recorded at the time, a memoir written so many years later is not as reliable. If there was a 1 to 10 "reliable scale" for history, this would be about a 3. It will lead the reader to the wrong conclusions, therefore it is not recommended. And if another source written at the time says something else happened or that something else was said, we are justified in saying that that source is probably more reliable than Colonel Adam's memoirs. If he compliments another more-reliable source, then that's great. If he contradicts another more-reliable source, then he shouldn't be trusted.
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@Evan - yes, absolutely right. I saw your other comment too. I should have clarified what I said in the video about the liberal vs conservative issue, but this video was more a quick off-the-cuff response to the criticism from the previous video, so the main issue was the socialism part. Of course, I've learnt the cons of doing unscripted videos as a result, and I'll try minimise the impact in future.
However, the overall message (NS is Socialism) still stands, and my research into the topic has continued to gather pace. Abolishing private property rights, enforcing price controls, wage controls, nationalizing the industries (and calling it 'privatization' to mask what was happening), heavy taxation, absolute bureaucratic control, land reforms, abolishing private trade unions and replacing them with the state trade union (the German Labour Front), the Holocaust (state ownership of the means of destruction), and the Hitler Youth... all of that sounds like social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production to me.
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Yes, and it's also frustrating hearing "revolutionaries" defend the state, taxation, regulation, nationalization and socialization (same thing) of businesses, state health care, state wage fixes, state price fixes, bureaucracy, state monopolies, social workers, state unemployment benefits paid by people who actually work, state police forces, state road building projects, state tariffs, state house building, theft (also known as "redistribution of wealth"), state education, public state transport subsidies (since such industries can't operate without taxpayer money), and state centralised planning in the economy.
Yeah, they're not "revolutionaries" or "progressives" at all. Quite the opposite.
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@mr.waffentrager4400 I'll be honest, it's pretty difficult to keep up with the comments. It was manageable until about 100,000 subs, but after that it just gets too much. If I was to spend all day on it every day, I could keep up right now, but obviously that's not practical, and I have to prioritize the history and the videos - since without them, there wouldn't be any comments! If anything, I should be prioritizing Patreon and SubscribeStar comments/messages (which I honestly have neglected and need to sort soon), but I have this tradition of celebrating the video releases by spending an hour or two on a Monday evening in the comments of the latest video.
The point is that I can certainly understand why other YouTubers give up on the comments once they reach a certain stage. Maybe it is an ego thing for some, but that's certainly not the case for me. I just have to prioritize. And I don't have the intention of abandoning the comments, even though it will get to a stage where it's impossible to keep up with them (and it basically is now).
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@guidobolke5618 If the demand for soldiers is high, and if the soldier is good at his job and isn't being inefficient with resources, then of course he can make a profit and be paid well. Their motivation would be profit, just like anyone else in the economy. If a soldier was bad at his job, he'd make a loss and wouldn't be able to fight any more. Just like in the real world, a business that goes out of business frees up resources for others in the economy. So if there's still profit to be made in war, then a new soldier would come long, be more efficient, and be able to turn a profit.
Of course, if there isn't a profit in war, then it's not possible to run a war like this. If war was economically a waste of scarce resources that have alternative uses, and if people didn't want war, then it wouldn't be profitable. In that case, the soldiers would go home and do something more profitable for the society. Or the State would come in and forcefully seize wealth off the people and redistribute that to the war industry in order to launch a war for Lebensraum. At that point though, you'd have an inefficient military and logistics system.
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@Illya Lypyak - the Nazis also nationalized the industries, as I explained in my Hitler's Socialism video https://youtu.be/eCkyWBPaTC8
And there's no difference between the socialization of the means of production and the nationalization of the means of production. They are the same thing. A nation is a society https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
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"If that were the case that France and Britain could be called socialists too"
You think that the Labour Party of Britain wasn't REAL Socialism now? Really?
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"The first move of fascist Italy was to privatise large parts of the states owed assets, but when the economy fell apart they applied socialist elements to the economy in order to accomplish their ultimate goals and you couldn't do that with a tattering economy."
That's a false narrative if ever I've seen one. Just please, read an actual history book. Farrell's "Mussolini" or something other than a PDF from a Marxist university.
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"So as you can see this happened in the late 20's and early 30's"
I've explained in another video that Mussolini, and this is explained by Farrell, that it took Mussolini time to consolidate power. Just like the Soviet Union didn't fully socialize the farms until the 1930s (and really, not even then), it took time for these things to happen. A 'revolution' doesn't happen overnight. The French Revolution went on and on, the Russian Revolution went on an on, and the Fascist and Nazi Revolutions went on and on as well. Expecting everything on a Monday to be Capitalism, and then Tuesday to be Socialism, is ridiculous.
"Also personally I wouldn't take any claims of worker control of these newly nationalized any seriously because if fascist Italy wouldn't allow working class people to have some semblance of control over Mussolini's political goals why would allow them to interfere with his economics?"
He wasn't a Marxist, he was a Fascist. The Fascists wanted to end the class-conflict by merging the workers with the bourgeoisie in syndicate trade unions that would embody the nation - body, corpse, corporation. They actually did allow worker control. However, Socialism is about societal control of the means of production, and that's exactly what happened. Mussolini was in charge of the society that had control of the means of production.
Fascism, Nazism and Marxism are all different flavours of the umbrella concept of Socialism.
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"1. The way you emphasise your words about what is not capitalism can be taken as capitalism does not exist at all in our current world (with the exception of black market trading), and all states are socialist. Do you really believe this? or do you think that capitalism (as well as socialism) is a matter of degree, at least in modern common understanding of the words?"
The free market is capitalism. A state which relies upon tax is not capitalism. If we have states that are allowed to artificially redistribute wealth from the rest of the population to themselves through non-market means, then that is not a free market nor capitalism.
"2. Straight up calling taxes theft... that one triggered me a bit, with no taxes there is no state, which if you are an anarchist is fine, you are allowed to have that view. But generally that statement came across to me as a bias of your own that you might want to keep in check."
I am not an anarchist. I pay for what I want and need.
There's only two ways to gain wealth. 1. Trade/exchange. 2. Force/theft.
If I want a product or service, I trade currency in exchange for that product or service. This is called a trade. I'm happy to trade with a good corporation, if and when I want or need something.
A corporation which forces me to hand over my wealth is not one that I'm trading with. I have no choice in the matter, and I don't want nor need their product or service, for if I did then I would have paid for it anyway and they wouldn't need for force me to hand over my wealth. There is no exchange. It is take first, then hopefully I get back something of some use. That's not a trade/exchange. That is force/theft because I (as the consumer) have no choice in the matter.
I do not want nor need a corporation that takes my wealth. I want one which provides me with products and services, if and when I want or need them. If I don't need their product or service, then I don't pay them. If I do, then I will pay.
And bad businesses fail because they do not produce what the consumer wants. The only reason these bad businesses survive is because they can force people to hand over their wealth. I think such businesses should be let to fail, and let new good businesses have the opportunity to give the consumer what they actually want.
So no, I am not an anarchist.
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Unfortunately I'm struggling to create the content as it is, and am debating whether to not do a video for this coming Monday so that I can have some time off. The pace required to create these videos is unsustainable, and as much as I'd like to do two videos per week, it's simply not possible.
And you're correct, most people do not want this level of detail in the videos. To many, they think these videos are tedious. And because I don't just spout the same old stuff you hear in the old books or on TV, but actually challenge the mainstream narrative, this is too much for people to handle. The majority just want to be told what they already know. Anything new is a challenge to their egos, so they avoid it or get angry, which is why I have a lot of critics. Call it intelligence or cognitive dissonance, but it's too much for them.
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It's actually about 60% if you include the navy and air force, plus Japan. However, if we factor in that the Soviets also (practically) allied with Germany in 1939, then the damage done to Poland, France and the other countries occupied in 1939-1941 could have been significantly reduced, meaning that the Soviets wouldn't have had to shoulder so much of the work. In addition, you have massive material and financial support from the West, a naval blockade, and an air campaign that significantly impacted the Axis ability to conduct the way. Thus, it's not as clear cut as just counting casualties, as explained in the video.
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Everyone is biased. Doesn't matter who they are, they're biased. For example, at the minute I'm learning German, but I can only read English sources. This is bias because, unless something is translated into English, I'm pretty much reliant on what other historians think. So everyone is biased (doesn't matter who they are, they're biased). Therefore the question you're really asking is - do I have some sort of fascist or communist political agenda?
And the answer to that is a straight no. To take your example about the Ukraine - I've looked into (and will do a video one day on) the Holodomor, and I've already done a video on the Purges (admittingly focused on the Red Army, but I've studied the Purges in general when at college). So I'm fully aware of the brutality of the Soviet regime, and Stalin. At the same time, I want people to understand and have absolutely no question about the fact that the Wehrmacht committed atrocities in the East, and that it wasn't "just the SS" or some rogues, but it was a systematic effort by the entire army and state, and that the soldiers were politically motivated to do that.
However I think you may get certain impressions from some of my videos simply because I may have overreacted to the fascists/wehraboos who've flooded the comment sections of those videos. If you go to some of my "Your Perception of the WW2 Eastern Front" or "The Numbers say it all" videos, you will see a warzone in the comment sections, with people saying I'm anti-German. But if you go to other videos, like my Croatian Legion or Kampfgruppen videos, or even my video on Fall Blau where I said Hitler was correct in his military strategy, you will see that people are accusing me of being pro-German. As I've said a few times now, I can't be both.
Honestly, I think people are trying to pick fault with what I do because that furthers their agenda. "Don't listen to this guy because he's a communist, come over to our fascist side." or "You're clearly fascist and people shouldn't believe in your lies because we communists are correct." It's the same technique that the denialists used - cast doubt on something to slowly chip away at its credibility and slowly recuit people to their cause.
The reality is that I want to incite debate. I want to question people's ideas and perceptions - both left and right. I want to get people to think, and to discuss history. If people are discussing history, in my opinion, the world becomes a better place. Here's a link to a video of mine which you may want to watch https://youtu.be/KnpCaLH9z7M
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@joehua I have exactly 14 accounts banned on this channel. Four are advertising spam accounts, three I'm convinced are the same person, and the rest have spammed my comments with nothing but dribble. I'm pretty certain that a third of the comments in my 5 hour Hitler's Socialism video were from one troll account (now blocked). Four of these 14 accounts have been blocked this week - including Royeaux, who has commented thousands of times. The reason for the recent purge of these four accounts is because my patience is done with them. After thousands upon thousands of spammy comments, I'm done with them. And clearing these four accounts has reduced the amount of new stupid comments by about 80%.
I don't mind if you disagree with me. There's plenty of people in these comments right now who do. I don't mind that. But I do mind spamming. I do mind terrible behaviour, especially from people who are eager to restrict my speech. So, the rule is simple: behave yourself.
And before you scream "free speech", remember that I'm a believer in private property. You can have as much freedom on your own property as you like, but when you're on my property you have to obey the rules. You're free to complain about my "censorship" (if you can call the blocking of 14 spam or troll accounts "censorship"), just as I'm free to complain about YouTube censorship. I disagree with YouTube's arbitrary and random censorship, but respect their right to enact it, since it's their property and they can do what they want.
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On the 26th of September 1933, Darré and Backe created the “Erbhof” law. [Tooze's Wages of Destruction P182]
“For the purpose of protecting the peasantry as the ‘Blood Source of the German People’, the law proposed to create a new category of farm, the Erbhof (hereditary farm), protected by debt, insulated from market forces and passed down from generation to generation within racially pure peasant families. The law applied to all farms that were sufficient in size to provide a German family with an adequate standard of living (an Achernahrung, later defined as a minimum of c. 7.5 hectares), but did not exceed 125 hectares.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P182
“The term ‘peasant’ (Bauer) was henceforth defined as an honorary title, reserved for those registered on the Role. Those not entered in the Erbhofrolle were henceforth to be referred to merely as ‘farmers’ (Landwirte). Entry in the Rolle protected the Erbhof for ever against the nightmare of repossession. By the same token, it also imposed constraints. Erbhoefe could not be sold. Nor could they be used as security against mortgages. Farms registered as Erbhoefe were thus removed from the free disposal of their immediate owners. Regardless of existing arrangements between spouses, Erbhoefe were to have a single, preferably male, owner who was required to document his line of descent, at least as far back as 1800, the same requirements as for civil servants. ‘Peasants’ were to be of German or ‘similar stock’ (Stammesgleich), a provision that excluded Jews, or anyone of partial Jewish descent.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P182-183
“The line of inheritance was now fixed in law.” P183 [clearly not free-market capitalism]
“Coupled with this extraordinary intervention in the property rights of German peasants was an equally drastic programme of debt reduction. Backe and Darré proposed that the Erbhof farmers should assume collective responsibility for each other’s debts. The debts of all Erbhoefe, variously estimated at between 6 and 9 billion Reichsmarks, were to be transferred to the Rentenbank Kreditanstalt, a state-sponsored mortgage bank. The Rentenbank would repay the original creditors with interest ranging between 2 and 4 per cent depending on the security of the original loan. ” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P183 [no more personal debt for these farmers, but collective debt]
Hitler approved of this plan, despite opposition from Junkers, some peasants and Schacht (as well as others). He then decided that it would go through, after negotiations. P184. Unfortunately for Darré and Schacht, they had to shelve the debt-relief idea and come up with a compromise ‘grant’ scheme instead for peasants who were in debt. P185 They also had to relax the inheritance elements of the law to appease the peasants. P185-186 Rate of enrollment for those farms that fitted the bill was high. It wasn’t enough to ‘transform the structure of land ownership in Germany.” P186 But it did have an impact. “It consolidated a group of farms whose average size nationally was just less than 20 hectares, a figure that was soon to be defined as the ideal size for efficient family farming in the new order of German agriculture.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P186
“The second fundamental step taken by Darré and Backe in the autumn of 1933 was the organization of the Reichsnaehrstand (RNS). It is not too much to say that the setting up of this organization and its associated system of price and production controls marked the end of the free market for agricultural produce in Germany. Agriculture and food production, which until the mid-nineteenth century had been overwhelmingly [-P187] the most important part of the German economy and which still in the 1930s constituted a very significant element of national product, were removed from the influence of market forces. As Backe clearly articulated even before 1933, the mechanism of price-setting was the key. The RNS made use of prices to regulate production.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P186-187
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They disbanded the private trade unions and replaced them with the state trade union. And there was no alliance with teh industrialists, nor did they "privatise" the businesses (despite the claim they did based on the fact they invented the name "privatization"). The reality was much different -
28 February 1933 -
Order of the Reich President for the Protection of People and State
On the basis of Article 48 paragraph 2 of the Constitution of the German Reich, the following is ordered in defense against Communist state-endangering acts of violence:
§ 1. Articles 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124 and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. It is therefore permissible to restrict the rights of personal freedom [habeas corpus], freedom of (opinion) expression, including the freedom of the press, the freedom to organize and assemble, the privacy of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communications. Warrants for House searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.”
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Articles of the Weimar Constitution affected -
Article 115.
The dwelling of every German is his sanctuary and is inviolable. Exceptions may be imposed only by authority of law.
Article 153.
Property shall be guaranteed by the constitution. Its nature and limits shall be prescribed by law.
Expropriation [noun, the action by the state or an authority of taking property from its owner for public use or benefit.] shall take place only for the general good and only on the basis of law. It shall be accompanied by payment of just compensation unless otherwise provided by national law. In case of dispute over the amount of compensation recourse to the ordinary courts shall be permitted, unless otherwise provided by national law. Expropriation by the Reich over against the states, municipalities, and associations serving the public welfare may take place only upon the payment of compensation.
Property imposes obligations. Its use by its owner shall at the same time serve the public good.
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"You do realise that Hitler was a scientific Pantheist, right?"
There was no "science" (it's Platonism), and I'm aware of the Pantheism, but also the fact that (most) Gnostics are Pantheists too. Pantheism is equally a description of a religion as well as a religion in and of itself. So it would be like saying "Christianity isn't a separate religion, it's just Monotheism". That's not true, because Christians can be monotheists, just like Gnostics can be Pantheists.
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"Each time he refers to Nature or Divine Providence or Fate/Forture etc etc, that is his God. Hitler's God is a Darwinian God that favours the superior, pure bloodlines over the lesser or weaker blood which is impure."
Yes. Although I would call it "Social Darwinism" not "Darwinism" as there is a difference.
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"But don't think Christianity plays no role whatsoever in his worldview. He borrows the idea of a 1000 years of an empire from the Holy Bible (Kingdom of God ruling for 1000 years)..."
Exactly, so it's not "Pantheism" as a stand-alone religion. This point actually confirms that it's Gnosticism which borrows from other religions, because that's what Gnosticism is - a parasite religion.
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"So, for you to call it ''Gnostic'' and to not blame Christianity's role in the creation of Marxism and Nazism is complete BS."
I never said that Christianity doesn't influence Marxism or Nazism. I don't know why you're concluding that, because that's simply not true - I do think they had a role in these movements.
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You not cycling to work today? :) This isn't really one of my typical in-depth videos, but I wanted to make it because I want to hear everyone else's opinions and story. You should consider making a Finnish Military History channel - I would definitely watch that! Apart from the Mannerheim video, I've not had time to revisit Finland yet, so it would be good if someone else (like you) could cover it.
I'm really glad you commented because your paragraph on the accusations of me being biased is fantastic! It's changed my perspective! You've made me realise what I should have known all along - I'm not biased, but they are. They're calling me pro-Soviet, because they're anti-Soviet. They're calling me anti-German, because they're pro-German, and so on. That is absolutely brilliant! Thank you very much!
And don't worry, I totally understand - I was just being a little cheeky in this video at the end :P watching the videos, likes, comments and sharing is plenty of support sir, so thank you thank you thank you :)
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"There's nothing in socialism that prevents an individual from opening their own business."
That would be "private" control of the means of production, which isn't socialism but capitalism. So no, you're wrong. You don't know what socialism is if you think that private individuals can open and run their own businesses without government intervention.
"What's stopping an individual opening their own business under socialism?"
The State. And the fact that as soon as a private individual opens up and runs his business outside of the collective, that would no longer be classed as socialism.
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"Of course, Anarcho Capitalism is an oxymoron because you can't do Capitalism without property rights, and you can't do property rights without a state, can you TIK?"
The State doesn't provide property rights. The State takes property rights away via its monopoly "law", taxation and inflation policies. When an individual picks up a rock he finds on the floor, that rock becomes his property. He enforces his right on that rock - it becomes his property. It's down to other people (namely the State) to take that rock away form him, through force (coercion or outright expropriation).
And Anarcho-Capitalism might be many things, but it's not an oxymoron. "Anarcho" (or anarchy) means an absence of the State and hierarchies. Capitalism (the free market) is an absence of the State in the economy - the market is "free" from the State. There's no oxymoron here.
Anarcho-Syndicalism and the like (all the anarch-socialisms and anarch-communisms) are oxymoronic because Socialism is the State control of the economy, whereas anarchy is anti-State. So which is it? Are anarcho-syndicalists anti-state or pro-state? Because if they're anti-state, then they're not socialists. And if they're pro-state, then they're not anarchists. And if you say that Socialism isn't state control of the economy, then you simply don't know what socialism is.
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"The black market is an excellent example of what would happen - you would be robbed and/or killed by more powerful rivals. You'll notice a.g. Mexico has not been turned into a libertarian paradise by the drug gangs.."
Actually the cartels are not an example of a free market. Mexico has a government monopoly on law and order, on regulations, and on the police etc. It is government failings that have caused the rise of cartels. For starters, drugs shouldn't be illegal. Secondly, there should be no monopoly on law or on law enforcement. In a capitalist economy, multiple police and judicial services would compete to rid the streets of gangs. But because the government has a monopoly on violence, they're happy to allow the gangs to continue. In fact, the government is a giant gang of criminals and are operating with the other criminals. That's why, for example, our monarchy here in the UK, and our parliamentarians, and our civil service, and police, and social services, are all so keen to "save" children. They're doing such a wonderful job with those children that Prince Andrew is able to walk around as a free person. That's what the government endorses - saving children. And you, Slater Slater, are all for the saving of children.
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"How do you do capitalism without property right? And how do you establish property rights without a state?"
You don't need a "right" to breath, and yet you do. The State doesn't grant you property rights, it takes them away.
You don't need to establish property rights. They already exist. I have my stuff, and you don't have it. If you come to take my stuff, you'll have a fight on your hands. That's how you enforce property ownership from thieves - you prevent them from taking it, and you do that via private law enforcement.
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There were 5 German armies in the south, 2 Romanian (technically just 1), 1 Hungarian, and 1 Italian armies in the south. However, German reinforcements were deprioritized for the south. So, the Germans had 4 Army Groups in 1942, and the southern two got less Germany reinforcements than Army Group Centre, or Army Group North, even though the two southern Army Groups were the focus of the 1942 campaign and were taking more losses than Centre and North.
Plus, you can't just count the armies. You must look at the divisions. 6th Army was the largest German Army. The Axis Allied armies were full of small divisions, meaning they weren't 'full' armies. They also had a lack of equipment etc. So I do think the southern Army Groups were neglected, which means Halder shoulders at least some of the blame for that.
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Why support climate change if the end result of human progress is more pollution? We should just accept it! /s
The logic doesn't make sense. First off, every civilization is built on private property. A little known fact is that one-fourth of all agricultural production in the Soviet Union was produced on PRIVATE plots that the peasants were allowed (which was just 2% of all arable land in the Soviet Union). Think about that for a second. The public ownership of the means of production was so inefficient that private ownership of 2% of the land was able to produce a quarter of the food.
What this means is that every civilization that has moved towards more and more public ownership has become more and more inefficient. Its citizens have become more impoverished. This is why most governments have fallen. The State steals wealth from the private sector, but in doing so destroys the private sector, and then destroys itself once the private sector is no more.
Throughout all of human history, people were formally enslaved. Then, the British invented a concept called "Liberalism" which decided that each private individual should be free, and that liberty was something to strive for. It turns out that the British were the first nation in history to free the slaves, and actually sent the Royal Navy around the world actively taking out slaver ships and freeing the slaves onboard. By your logic, though, if slavery has been around for millennia, why stop it now? The answer is because we now know it is wrong. We now know slavery is immoral, and from an economic standpoint is also less efficient than if the individual is free. Well, the same thing applies with the State.
We now know what causes the boom and bust cycle https://youtu.be/X3L0_pjRdcs Yet, I guess we should do nothing about it, because it's always been that way... We know that freeing up the economy results in prosperity, but I guess we should lock it down and throw away the key because it's always been that way...
NO. We have learnt from the mistakes of the past. We can progress. Statism isn't the end-goal of humanity - freedom from the State is the end-goal of society.
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"I'm not one of your haters, by the way. I've been subscribed to you for well over a year..."
Alright, despite your username and flag, and the fact that I've talked about this concept for the past 6 years, I'll assume you're not being dishonest and are genuinely unable to grasp this concept. Let me explain it in a different way.
Hitler himself said that the race is the nation. The German people were the nation. So racism and nationalism are linked. Hence why so many people think nationalism is racist.
But Hitler also said that the race was the society, and that racism was socialism. Why? Well:
Marxist Socialism is all about the class. "Class warfare", therefore, is a concept of socialism. (Classism = socialism.)
National Socialism is all about the race. "Race warfare", therefore, is a concept of socialism. (Racism = socialism.)
"Class" is a social classification of people. "Race" is also a social classification of people. Racism, socialism and nationalism are no different, because they're all the same.
Race/racism is a version of socialism that says that racial groups form a society and nation. National Socialism is trying to implement a nationalism and socialism for the race. I deny this because there's no "racial spirit" that unites us together, just like there's no social or national spirit that unites us together. We're individuals who can cooperate, but we remain individuals.
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""I see everyone as individuals" -- sigh, why does everyone claim this when it's not true. You're *human*, you've been bred by millions of years of evolution to judge others by reputation, by image, by stereotype."
It may not be true to you, but it is true to me. I don't judge people by their looks. I get to know people first. If they turn out to be bad, then I will critize them for that. If they turn out to be good, then I will praise them for that.
The reality is that if someone judges British people to be bad - then I know this isn't true because, while there are some bad British people, there are plenty of good British people. If someone thinks men are evil, then that's not true either because there are good men and bad men. Same with classes, races and creeds. So if this is the case, it makes zero sense to judge people until you've given them a chance to show you who they are.
"Tribalism is a survival instinct."
So is fighting and killing things. You must learn to be restrained and not submit to instincts, otherwise you'll do more harm than good.
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I couldn't mention everything in the video, and logistics is one of those things not mentioned. That doesn't mean it wasn't important. I'll copy what I've posted elsewhere to others -
Logistics played a big part in the German defeat in 1941. The first three weeks of Barbarossa saw the Germans get roughly half-way to Moscow. It then took them a few more months to cover the rest of the distance. The reason being, just like on their way to Stalingrad in 1942, is that they had to stop-start stop-start their Bewegungskrieg due to (mainly) their poor logistics. While "Blitzkrieg" had its advantages, it was also poor on the logistical side, which the Germans never mastered. This was made worse by the poor roads in Russia, different guage railways, and the vast distances. Weather also played its part later.
However, by the same token, the Soviets were also suffering from serious logistical issues in 1941. At the battle of Dubno-Brody (I talk about it here https://youtu.be/nA2286viUyw) 2,000 Soviet tanks break down on the way to the battlefield due to lack of fuel, mechanical failures, lack of spare parts etc, and those that did make it sometimes ran out of ammunition.
So to say that the Germans were suffering from poor logistics isn't that good of an excuse since the Soviets were too. To say that "General Winter" only affected the Germans is a poor excuse too, since that affected the Soviets too.
And its not like the Germans didn't know about the poor Russian roads, or the different guage railways, or the vast distances. This was why they planned for a short knock-out war. Unfortunately, the Germans deemed the Soviets as inferiors in every respect and, in their poor planning, didn't consider what would happen if the Soviets weren't knocked out quickly and decided to continue the fight. The fact was that, despite the initial advantages I outlined towards the end of the video (surprise attack, unprepared enemy etc), the Germans squandered these advantages in their arrogance.
This arrogance is what's leading to certain portions of the viewers of this video believing that the Germans were superior. However, you and I both know people in real life who think they're superior to everyone else but who actually have several deep flaws that impact the things they do. People like that often can't see the error of their ways, and it's the same here. The German generals believed the Soviets were inferior, even though they were beaten numerous times on the battlefield. Even when they won (1941) they paid heavily for their success, one way or another. The fact remains that the "greatest army in WW2" lost to the Soviets. And as shown in the video, the reason wasn't because they were drowning in Soviet rifles and tanks.
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"Well, you went on full defence here, seemingly without ever considering my points - judging by the number of dislikes these points are not just mine to make."
Of course I did. You're accusing me of doing something I clearly didn't do.
"Look, you cannot just show tables - no matter how accurate because it is "boring" "
I cannot prove that the Wehrmacht wasn't superior the Red Army without showing the numbers. If I don't show the numbers and back up my points with evidence and sources, this wouldn't be history - it would be worthless.
"and saying that "a kill ratio of 3:1 is not much of a great deal" (pardon me a very heavy paraphrase) without even mentioning the numerical disparities between the two nations just looks wrong and dishonest."
I do show the numerical disparities in the table at 12:31.
"Just think how it looks to people - you have one country half the size of the other,"
The Germans knew they were going to war against a bigger country. This wasn't a surprise to them.
"with relatively crappy equipment"
Do you know what equipment the Soviets had? Most of their tanks in 1941 were light inter-war tanks. They were outdated and obsolete. They were even using tankettes. This lead to the largest tank battle in WW2 (Brody-Dubno https://youtu.be/nA2286viUyw), which resulted in 5,000 Soviet tanks getting wiped out by 800 German tanks. If the Germans had relatively crappy equipment, the Soviets were worse than that.
"which at the time is smashing its way through a numerically superior army,"
Incorrect as shown in the table at 12:31.
"defending and fighting on its home ground, an army with shortening supply lines, taking advantage of defensive lines, an army with massive reserves of manpower, with resources and production that is beyond the reach of any short campaign and yet taking casualties beyond belief... "
It's not like the Germans didn't know this prior to the invasion.
"Just think about it this way- if in a parallel Universe you were to have the situation reversed (1941s trained and equipped Russians attacking 1941s trained and equipped Germans) I have no doubt that the Russian attack would have been crushed and destroyed by the Germans from the first "Ura!" "
The Soviet Army in 1941 wasn't prepared for war. As shown in the Dubno video I linked, the Soviets didn't have the logistical capability in 1941 to keep its tanks in battle, either fueled or with ammo. It was caught completely off guard, and had fewer men than the Germans at the start of the war.
"We all know that the Russians went through the purges,"
I'm working on a video about this at the moment.
"we know that in a year they suffered losses that would empty entire countries,"
Absolutely. A credit to the German attack of 1941.
"we know that they were not as well trained and as well led as the Germans,"
Do we? Are you sure?
"that they were not as well equipped as the Germans (I mean mostly signal equipment here, some Russian stuff was good)"
They didn't have radios, true, but as stated their equipment was obsolete. In fact, the motorized divisions they had in 1941 weren't motorized because they didn't have enough trucks. And these divisions were without the horses and wagons the regular rifle divisions were equipped with because they were supposed to be "motorized".
"and yet somehow you decided to make this video..."
Yes. Yes I did.
"It looks to me like a perfect example of an exercise in futility."
The only futility here is trying to convince people who have a German-centric view of WW2. The German generals wrote the history of the war from their point of view, and because of the Cold War, the Western world wasn't willing to listen to what the Soviets had to say. That's why you and a lot of the other commenters have a bias towards the Germans, and think the Soviets were inferior. The reality was, they weren't.
"One additional conclusion that one might take from your video is that if the Germans were actually NOT better led and trained than the Russians then those Russian losses look even more embarrassing."
Yes. I'm not denying that. That's a credit to the Germans in the first year of the war. I actually mention this at the end of the video. I'm not here to do disservice to the Germans. I'm here to say what the reality actually was. The Germans did exceptionally well in 1941, but it wasn't enough to knock the Soviets out of the war. The German strategy (their only hope) was to knock the Soviets out of the war in 1941. When they failed to do that, they lost. That is why historians say they lost before they even got to Moscow.
"Please pardon me but I still see this video as pointless, maybe you had a point somewhere there, maybe some people do have wrong assumptions about this conflict,"
Yes, they do.
"but this did not come through here - possibly you were simply "too ambitious" in your attempt and did not manage to get the point across."
Perhaps I could have done it differently. But, boring or not, the point still stands. You can attack the video for being "boring", and that's fine, but you and the other hate-commenters haven't come up with an effective counter-argument against the point being made in the video. All that's happened is people have had a knee-jerk reaction to the fact that someone is doubting the "superiority" of their beloved Wehrmacht. Unfortunately for them, this somebody has done his homework.
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Computers are easier to operate than they used to be. Cars are more universal and easier to operate than they used to be. Phone systems, radios, electrics and many other technologies (like software) are actually easier than they used to be as innovation made them simpler for the user to use. Therefore, higher skills aren't always necessary, and the new forms of technology may decrease the jobs in a particular production industry, but will spout new businesses as a result of the new technology, which creates jobs. The production workers may go to these new jobs, leaving the unskilled to fill the old gaps.
The point is, the economy is complicated, and you can't measure the effects of one decision, because the ripples affect the rest of the economy. You therefore have to look beyond the first step - yes, this new technology has created unemployment, but look what opportunities it has created for those unemployed.
Also I'm not an ancap. I was pointing out that large governments decrease productivity and living standards, which is historically correct. Numerous socialist states have found this out and the evidence is clear cut. This was an explanation as to why it happens, which will lead nicely into the Nazi and Soviet economies, the Holocaust, and Lend Lease.
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"You suppose that people are paid in function of their productivity."
As a way to keep the video simple, yes.
"If someone buy a yacht, people who are making the yacht are not making usefull things for the rest of the society. So rich buying yachts has a negative impact on the society."
No it doesn't, it benefits the consumer, and it doesn't take anything away anything from anyone else. By your logic, if I produce a loaf of bread and it gets consumed by someone, then that's not benefiting the rest of society. So consuming food has a negative impact on society, by your own logic.
The purpose of producing things is to consume them, or to use them. If you want more stuff, the economy needs to produce more stuff. Redistributing wealth won't solve the issue. Producing more stuff will. And the best way to do that is to have a system that increases production, not takes production away, or actively decreases production.
"You talk about the problems created by the state (every economist knows that taxation has a negative impact) but you say nothing about the problem resolved by the state."
Name one economic problem resolved by the state.
"Saying "this is fair and this is not" is not economy. It's politics. You can not say "this is fairer" you can only say "I find this fairer for these reasons...""
No, it's economics. Basic economics.
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Ahhh, but the Left argue that, even though they're calling for a welfare State, taxes, State roads, an organized Society (which is the definition of a State), central State planning, Central Banking (see Karl Marx's "Communist Manifesto"), a State education system, regulations, a Democracy (People Power, except the People are the Public and the Public is the State, so Democracy is State Power), and believe that all the means of production should be owned or controlled by the central authority... they also say that they don't want State control.
So obviously they don't want State control, because their words speak louder than their actions and the words they speak combined
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@Aidan B - your massive rant about me ignoring criticism is not true. As I've replied to you in the Public vs Private video, I'm addressing your criticisms of "my" definitions (the historical ones), but you're the one ignoring them. You're ignoring them because your Socialist-indoctrination blinds you. You said that -
"State capitalism is absolutely a real term, just because you disagree with the terms being used does not mean they cease to exist." - Aidan B
You also said -
"I would disagree with your framing here, a state can absolutely be capitalist, after all a state is just a collection of individuals with commonly accepted authority. Take away the consent to be governed, and the state is just another grouping of wealthy people. A state can absolutely be capitalist, work in the interests of capitalists, or work not at all yet still exist. Similarly, the term "state capitalist" does not describe a system of a literal capitalist state, it is a shorthand term used to describe another type of system completely. State capitalism does exist, even if you want to reference it by what you assume is preferential etymology." - Aidan B
I then proceeded to address your criticisms directly -
"A hierarchy cannot be an individual. An individual may or may not be in charge of the hierarchy, but the hierarchy itself makes it Public. And a Public in charge of the means of production is Socialist, not Capitalist. Only individuals (non-hierarchical) in charge of the means of production can be Capitalist." - TIK
"This is an important distinction, because when you say a State is Capitalist, you're saying that the dark is light. If the criticism is a monopolistic hierarchy - like a totalitarian dictatorship, or a Corporation - then the criticism is of Socialism. If the criticism is of the individual who is in charge of the totalitarian dictatorship, or the Corporation, then that is still a criticism of Socialism, because the individual only has power due to the fact he is in charge of a politically organized community (the definition of a State). Yes, he may be rich and have money, but the criticism is that he has power over everyone else due to the Socialism." - TIK
"To then turn around and say he's a Capitalist makes zero sense because Capitalism is an individual on his own, without the hierarchy. The hierarchy is what makes it Socialist, not the individual. If the individual is what makes it Capitalist, then every collective would be Capitalist because every collective consists of individuals." - TIK
Bearing in mind that this was on the Public vs Private video, where I clearly explained why this is the case in the video, backed by multiple sources, as I did in this video.
You then responded by accusing me of 'misdefining' the language -
"Yeah, this is the problem. In order to even come somewhat close to rationalizing your choice of terms or language, you either have to horribly misdefine everything, or define it to be so broad that the word itself has no meaning." - Aidan B
You then correctly explain what the historical definition of Socialism is, proving that you understand what I'm saying -
"If a hierarchy is always a public, and public control is always socialism, then socialism is just a form of hierarchy." - Aidan B
This is exactly right. Unfortunately, you then say -
"The problem with this is that you've just destroyed the term, and reformed it in your image. The problem then with that is that if this is how you describe socialism... it isn't what a socialist wants." - Aidan B
Hold on, which is it? Have I really destroyed the term? (Not likely because I explained the historical reasons for why the term is what it is, backed by sources.)
Or is it because Socialists don't realize what they're actually calling for, which is why I made the Public vs Private video in the first place, because I realized that many Socialists had no idea what it was they were actually calling for?
Oh yes, that's it.
The criticism you have of me isn't that the historical definitions I'm using aren't correct (because your argument in that regard doesn't have any weight to it and doesn't stand up to scrutiny). Your criticism is that, because most Socialists mistakenly think Socialism is something that it isn't, my definitions don't align with what people mistakenly think Socialism is.
You say this over and over again -
"Socialism is not power. Socialism is not hierarchy. What you are criticizing socialism for are things that most socialists do not want." - Aidan B
This is exactly my point - Socialists don't fully grasp what they're calling for.
This is the purpose of history - to educate people and make them learn from the past so that they don't repeat the mistakes of history. It is mistaken to believe that Socialism is anything other than totalitarianism. A Socialist may BELIEVE Socialism is paradise and rainbows, but they are WRONG.
2+2=5 is wrong, not because of ideology, but because it is. Me telling you it is wrong and explaining why is not me "redefining" the terms, it is me correcting your mistaken beliefs.
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In theory, yes. However, in practice, that's not what left-liberalism is at all. Again, look at what they do, not what they say.
They use the power of the state police to enforce compliance with their totalitarian demands via threat of violence. That's not "human rights" or "individual freedom". The poor and marginalised and poor and marginalised under such a system, and deliberately so. "Paying your fair share" = "give us your money or else".
And they're also socially regressive. They're anti-white, anti-male, anti-traditional female, anti-semitic, and they're anti-democratic since they champion "minority rights" over the "majority". (I don't believe in democracy anyway, since it's a scam, but the point is that they're anti-democratic while claiming to be democratic, and pro-rights but only for some.)
So no, the core value of left-liberalism isn't human rights or individual freedom. The core value is power of the state.
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"I live in Sweden where the fuck are my socialism? No where, because SWEDEN IS NOT SOCIALIST. God damn..." - The 80's Wolf
Let's see if Sweden is socialist or not. Socialism is the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). If the state owns or controls parts of the economy, and takes that away from private individuals or private businesses, that's socialism (the opposite of capitalism, which is the private ownership of the means of production).
To quote from wikipedia, Sweden has -
1. An elaborate social safety net (funded publically through taxation)
2. Free education (public ownership, funded publically through taxation)
3. Universal healthcare (public ownership, funded publically through taxation)
4. Public pension plans (public ownership, funded publically through taxation)
5. "A partnership between employers, trade unions and the government, whereby these social partners negotiate the terms to regulating the workplace among themselves, rather than the terms being imposed by law." (state control of the economy)
6. "Sweden at 56.6% of GDP, Denmark at 51.7% and Finland at 48.6% reflect very high public spending. One key reason for public spending is the large number of public employees. These employees work in various fields including education, healthcare, and for the government itself. They often have greater job security and make up around a third of the workforce (more than 38% in Denmark). Public spending in social transfers such as unemployment benefits and early-retirement programmes is high. In 2001, the wage-based unemployment benefits were around 90% of wage in Denmark and 80% in Sweden, compared to 75% in the Netherlands and 60% in Germany. The unemployed were also able to receive benefits several years before reductions, compared to quick benefit reduction in other countries." (public ownership, funded publically through taxation)
7. "Overall tax burdens (as a percentage of GDP) are high: Sweden (44.1%), Denmark (45.9%) and Finland (44.1%)." (state control of the economy)
In addition, Wiki states - "Public expenditure for health and education is significantly higher in Denmark, Sweden, and Norway in comparison to the OECD average."
If private individuals and businesses had a say on where their money goes, then that would be capitalism. Since 44% of your money is taken from you by the social-public state, that 44% cannot be classed as "capitalism", it must be classed as "socialism", since socialism is the state ownership or control of the means of production.
So, to answer your question, you have plenty of socialism in Sweden, and it's crippling your economy and slowing the growth of your nation, much like it is here in the UK.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Sweden
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TheXasti - You've misunderstood what I was saying. An authoritarian government can be left, right or central - correct. But a government becomes socialist when it heavily controls or owns the economy and businesses. When I said "I would absolutely argue that this could not have happened to this extent in a free-market capitalist economy", what I was getting at was that the Holocaust could not have happened naturally in a capitalist free-market (economy). If that was the case, you would have 'McHolocausts' springing up everywhere naturally in capitalist societies without the need for state intervention. And you don't have that because no capitalist business could market a Holocaust to consumers.
No capitalist business owned the Holocaust, because it wasn't capitalism, it was owned and controlled by the socialist state. Going off the evidence, it's probably wise to conclude that without an all-powerful state that owns the economy you cannot have another Holocaust.
"Mass murder by the State is not exclusive to Communists and Socialists."
True. But please point to a capitalist state which deliberately mass-murdered 6 million Jews, plus starved 3 million Soviet POWs in 1 year (1941), and starved the Dutch, Greeks and many others, plus enslaved and murdered millions of Slavs... plus ignited a war that killed many more millions. And that's just National Socialist Germany, which was in power for 12 years! When you look at the Soviet Socialist Republics you have many more millions. And Mao's China, millions more. Cambodia. The scale of this disaster was unprecidented in world history. Yes, you have pogroms and starvation and famine in capitalist dictatorships, but absolutely no where near the scale of this.
And why is that? Because the economic power of the state was and is limited in a capitalist society. A capitalist business does not want high taxation, price controls, an end of private property, or an end to trade outside of their own country. They want economic freedom to do what they want.
Sure, it can go too far the other way, to the point that capitalist businesses own the show, thus lowering wages, exploiting people, forming monopolies, enslaving people, hiring thugs to destroy the property of competition, or even raising armies which then results in slaughter in the name of profit etc. But it's in the best interests of capitalists to have a state with laws and stability. The difference is, those state laws and stability is political in nature, not necessarily economic control or ownership. Too much state ownership of the means of production (economy) is not what a capitalist wants.
The point being that capitalist states were often limited in economic power, and didn't have the means to actually industrialize murder on the scale that the socialist governments in the 20th Century did.
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Schacht centralized and heavily regulated the electricity production industry, which then sparked a new plan of economic administration. This was all in 1935. [Tooze's Wages of Destruction P111-112]
"...in practice the Reichsbank and the Reich Ministry of Economic Affairs had no intention of allowing the radical activists of the SA, the shopfloor militants of the Nazi party or Gauleiter commissioners to dictate the course of events. Under the slogan of the 'strong state', the ministerial bureaucracy fashioned a new national structure of economic regulation." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112
“We worked and governed with incredible elan. We really ruled. For the bureaucrats of the Ministry the contrast to the Weimar Republic was stark. Party chatter in the Reichstag was no longer heard. The language of the bureaucracy was rid of the paralysing formula: technically right but politically impossible.” - Schacht, speaking of the situation after 1933. Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112-113
"It would be absurd to deny the reality of this shift. The crisis of corporate capitalism in the course of the Great Depression did permanently alter the balance of power. Never again was big business to influence the course of government in German as directly as it did between the outbreak of World War I in 1914 and the onset of the Depression in 1929. The Reich's economic administration, for its part, accumulated unprecedented powers of national economic control." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P113
“Control over domestic resources was paralleled by centralized control over imports. Both countries [Nazi and Soviet] controlled and restricted international trade.” Temin, P580
"Both governments reorganized industry into larger units, ostensibly to increase state control over economic activity. The Nazis reorganized industry into 13 administrative groups with a large number of subgroups to create a private hierarchy for state control. The state therefore could direct the firms’ activities without acquiring direct ownership of enterprises. The pre-existing tendency to form cartels was encouraged to eliminate competition that would destabilize prices.” Temin, P582-583
“The Soviets had made a similar move in the 1920s. Faced with a scarcity of administrative personnel, the state encouraged enterprises to combine into trusts and trusts to combine into syndicates. These large units continued into the 1930s where they were utilized to bridge the gap between overall plans and actual production.” Temin, P583
"“... this difference was not important to many decisions. The incentives for managers - both positive and negative - were very similar in the two countries. Consequently, their responses to the [Four or Five Year] plans were also similar. In neither case did the managers set the goals of the plans.” Temin, P590-591
“Like Hitler, Backe saw the mission of National Socialism as being the supersession of the rotten rule of the bourgeoisie. Far from being impractical, Backe’s ideology provided a grand historical rationale for the extreme protectionism already implemented by the nationalist agrarians. Far from being backward looking, Backe’s vision assigned to National Socialism the mission of achieving a reconciliations of the unresolved contradictions of nineteenth-century liberalism. It was not National Socialism but the Victorian ideology of the free market that was the outdated relic of a bygone era. After the economic disasters of the early 1930s there was no good reason to cling to such a dangerous archaic doctrine. The future belonged to a new system of economic organization capable of ensuring both the security of the national food supply and the maintenance of a healthy farming community as the source of racial vitality.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P174
[Tooze's Wages of Destruction P179-180] Because Germany didn’t have enough land to feed her population, both Backe and Hitler (and others) wanted to expand eastwards. The local populations were to be impacted by German ‘rearrangement’. “Those left in place were to serve as slave labour on German settler farms. The SS was to be the sword and shield of this settler movement.”
On the 26th of September 1933, Darré and Backe created the “Erbhof” law. [Tooze's Wages of Destruction P182]
“For the purpose of protecting the peasantry as the ‘Blood Source of the German People’, the law proposed to create a new category of farm, the Erbhof (hereditary farm), protected by debt, insulated from market forces and passed down from generation to generation within racially pure peasant families. The law applied to all farms that were sufficient in size to provide a German family with an adequate standard of living (an Achernahrung, later defined as a minimum of c. 7.5 hectares), but did not exceed 125 hectares.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P182
“The term ‘peasant’ (Bauer) was henceforth defined as an honorary title, reserved for those registered on the Role. Those not entered in the Erbhofrolle were henceforth to be referred to merely as ‘farmers’ (Landwirte). Entry in the Rolle protected the Erbhof for ever against the nightmare of repossession. By the same token, it also imposed constraints. Erbhoefe could not be sold. Nor could they be used as security against mortgages. Farms registered as Erbhoefe were thus removed from the free disposal of their immediate owners. Regardless of existing arrangements between spouses, Erbhoefe were to have a single, preferably male, owner who was required to document his line of descent, at least as far back as 1800, the same requirements as for civil servants. ‘Peasants’ were to be of German or ‘similar stock’ (Stammesgleich), a provision that excluded Jews, or anyone of partial Jewish descent.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P182-183
“The line of inheritance was now fixed in law.” P183 [clearly not free-market capitalism]
“Coupled with this extraordinary intervention in the property rights of German peasants was an equally drastic programme of debt reduction. Backe and Darré proposed that the Erbhof farmers should assume collective responsibility for each other’s debts. The debts of all Erbhoefe, variously estimated at between 6 and 9 billion Reichsmarks, were to be transferred to the Rentenbank Kreditanstalt, a state-sponsored mortgage bank. The Rentenbank would repay the original creditors with interest ranging between 2 and 4 per cent depending on the security of the original loan. ” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P183 [no more personal debt for these farmers, but collective debt]
Hitler approved of this plan, despite opposition from Junkers, some peasants and Schacht (as well as others). He then decided that it would go through, after negotiations. P184. Unfortunately for Darré and Schacht, they had to shelve the debt-relief idea and come up with a compromise ‘grant’ scheme instead for peasants who were in debt. P185 They also had to relax the inheritance elements of the law to appease the peasants. P185-186 Rate of enrollment for those farms that fitted the bill was high. It wasn’t enough to ‘transform the structure of land ownership in Germany.” P186 But it did have an impact. “It consolidated a group of farms whose average size nationally was just less than 20 hectares, a figure that was soon to be defined as the ideal size for efficient family farming in the new order of German agriculture.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P186
“The second fundamental step taken by Darré and Backe in the autumn of 1933 was the organization of the Reichsnaehrstand (RNS). It is not too much to say that the setting up of this organization and its associated system of price and production controls marked the end of the free market for agricultural produce in Germany. Agriculture and food production, which until the mid-nineteenth century had been overwhelmingly [-P187] the most important part of the German economy and which still in the 1930s constituted a very significant element of national product, were removed from the influence of market forces. As Backe clearly articulated even before 1933, the mechanism of price-setting was the key. The RNS made use of prices to regulate production.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P186-187
Therefore, what we have here is a planned socialist economy, not capitalism.
Sources -
Temin, P. “Soviet and Nazi Economic Planning in the 1930s.” From The Economic History Review, New Series, Vol. 44, No. 4 (Nov., 1991), pp. 573-593 (21 pages). Jstor. https://www.jstor.org/stable/2597802?seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents
Tooze, A. “Wages of Destruction: The Making & Breaking of The Nazi Economy.” Penguin Books, 2007.
Reimann, G. “The Vampire Economy: Doing Business under Fascism.” Kindle, Mises Institute, 2007. Originally written in 1939.
(Accessed 04/10/2018)
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As I said in the video, you must use ALL the evidence. You don't judge the sources impartially, but rather you try to logically eliminate the contradictions, which will force you down the path towards the truth.
As far as trusting me, if I make an error, I will be called out on it. Another YouTuber (Liquid Zulu) with more knowledge than me on Objectivism has correctly pointed out a mistake regarding my imprecise explanation of Hume. This is a subtle mistake, but highlights the fact that it's not really possible to make mistakes or lie to a large audience, since you will get called out for it. Thus, you can "trust" that this video is mostly on point, even without knowing that I have zero reason to lie about this subject. I mean, what purpose would it serve for me to lie to you?
And no, don't "blindly" follow me or anyone else. Do your own reading if you have the time and find this subject fascinating. Or maybe check other YouTubers out (like Liquid Zulu) who have videos on the topic. You can then logically verify the conceptual conclusions based on the evidence.
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"Despite the Rassenschande laws, Germans also had sex with Jewish women. Sex with Jews, even in brothels, was not allowed for any German military members. Seidler writes that Wehrmacht members who knew the person with whom they were sexual was Jewish faced “serious consequences.” SS officers, police officers, and police officials with officers’ rank faced the death sentence. Still, a man had to know that the woman was Jewish to be punished. Therefore, if someone claimed he was unaware of the woman’s Jewishness – he was not punished. In his research, Seidler found that this is what happened for most offenses. If a man was caught he simply had to say he did not realize the “whore” was Jewish, since it was not always obvious by outward appearance." - Gertjejanssen, "Victims, Heroes, Survivors," P67.
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Apart from the fact that Mary's customers are idiots and deserve what's coming to them, and the fact that this story has major holes in it, the best part is this -
"Fortunately though, the bank, the brokerage houses and their respective executives are saved and bailed out by a multi-billion no-strings attached cash infusion from their cronies in Government. The funds required for this bailout are obtained by new taxes levied on employed, middle-class who have never been in Mary's bar."
Socialism shouldn't have bailed out Mary or the banks that financed her. By doing so, the system is no longer capitalist, and socialism props up a bubble. This then leads to another recession down the road when the bubble pops. If the socialist state didn't get involved, Mary's bar and the bad banks would go out of business, leaving the good bars and the good banks to remain. The lesson is learnt by everyone who survives - if you don't try to swindle people, you'll do well in business. But by propping up the bad banks and bad bars, the socialist state keeps the faulty economy and encourages everyone to keep making the mistakes. This is precisely the point I made in the video.
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"However I fundamentally disagree with your reactionary economic positions"
Socialism is reactionary. Capitalism is progress.
"I notice one big issue with your definition is that you assume that all so called “collective” control is the same. This is I think is stupid, human beings are complex creatures and so are our hierarchies. When you talk about private control of the means of production and collective for example: How is a capitalist who controls multiple machines similar to a small family own business? Other then in theory both of them being “private”. You seem to act like a worker Soviet and a centralized government are the same because they are “groups” of people. I simply cannot agree as humans from the beginning of our species are groups."
Again, I covered this in the Public vs Private video https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
Two individual people working together is still capitalism. A thousand people collectively owning the means of production, as in the case of corporations with thousands of employees and thousands of shareholders, cannot be capitalism. As shown in the Public vs Private video, when a large collective organizes, it becomes a State. Corporations are States. They're States within a State, but they are still States. They are not individual people. They are collectives.
"If a work place is controlled through democratic means"
Democracy = people power. Peope = Public. Public = the hierarchy of society. The hierarchy of society is the State. Again, see the Public vs Private video.
"A few capitalists in control a large business is like wise not the same as a small family ran business. A group of investors or higher ups in a business are still a collective of sorts."
Correct. That's exactly what I'm saying.
"Ultimately human beings naturally will organize into some kind of group, whether family or not so the distinction “private versus public” is incorrect."
No, it's correct. Public = the collective, or hierarchy of society. When humans organize, they create hierarchies. Those hierarchies are States.
"You also state that Marx tired to hide the real definition but I feel that’s based off a misunderstanding or deliberate attempt to mischaracterize him"
It's not mis-characterizing him or misunderstanding him. He said that socialism is when there's State control, but also non-State control. He, just like many other socialists, are trying to hide the true definition of socialism. Socialism is State control. When you have a society, which organizes itself into hierarchies, you have a State or States. Socialism is Statism. There's no getting around that. Marx though, along with many others, are trying to say it's not totalitarianism, but REAL democracy, and stuff like that. Well, democracy = people power. Power comes from the hierarchy of the State. Democracy is the tyranny of the majority. Socialism is also the tyranny of the majority. And if the majority has total tyranny, then you have totalitarianism, since the majority will organize into a State, and the State will have total control.
"Marx refers to Private ownership based on the idea that a private entity controls means of production as we agree but by private he means a certain type of group of people in a capitalist system (CEO’s, CFO’s, Investors etc) control the input and out pit of labour."
Okay.
"Marx saw this is unnecessary and believed it would be easier if people who worked in this places had a voice in how things are ran, hence “Worker Ownership of Production”"
It's not individual worker ownership, since that would be capitalism. What Marx is calling for is collective-worker ownership. Again, collective = State. The State (supposedly in the name of the worker) is in control of the means of production, is what he's actually saying.
If an individual worker owns his own means of production, then that worker is a capitalist. Self-employed workers are practicing capitalism, whether they realize it or not.
"I think the issue here is that we understand economic hierarchies differently, but fancy terminology and over simplified rhetoric is ultimately made it harder to see that."
Agreed. Socialists are trying to distort the words so that they lose all meaning. The words are very clear. A private is an individual. Individual control = Capitalism. Social or State control = Socialism.
"I’m not as well read as you and I’ll be the first to admit it but I don’t see how a worker co-op is the same as nationalized industry other then the fact they are owned by “collectives” and that collectives of people aren’t all the same."
They're both States and collectively run. They're both not capitalism because capitalism is private control, and these are not privately controlled.
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"I dunno sounds overall you’re doing a disservice to anyone from Anarchist, to syndicalists, democratic communists, council communists or even democratic socialists."
Bearing in mind that I used to be a moderate socialist of the George Orwell variety. My private Facebook page still says I'm an "Anarchist/Socialist". So no, there's no "disservice" here. I'm warning you and them that Socialism is fundamentally totalitarian in nature. The rest of the stuff, from anarchism to democracy, doesn't work with Socialism or Communism.
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"All of these people argue for workers democratic control over their means of production."
Yes, and I am pointing out that that's not possible. When they call for "workers" (plural) "democratic control", what that translates to is totalitarianism. Democracy is state control. A "group" of "workers" is a "public", and the Public is the State https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
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"Hell many of these same groups argue for market socialism, just with the means of production controlled by cooperatives."
And a cooperative is a (small) State that has monopoly control over the individual (totalitarian). So it's not "market" Socialism at all, it's just Socialism which is State control (totalitarian).
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"You have to remember that TIK has NO idea what he'd talking about and is somewhat deranged."
That's not an argument. Even if I was "deranged", the point still stands. A complete moron can still be right when it comes to 2+2=4. So just because he's a moron doesn't mean that he's always wrong. Counter the points, don't resort to insults.
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Are you trying to gaslight? Then why are you attacking the author with the suggestion that he has "personal stuff going on" like all the other socialists have done previously? Shouldn't you be concentrating on the historical debate?
Nothing in your two paragraphs suggests to me that you've actually watched the video. If you have, why are you dismissing all the evidence I've presented (backed by 107 sources and 350 direct references, and more since this video) and instead are trying to say I know nothing about this subject? Quite clearly, if you had actually watched this video and paid attention, you would have seen that I do know what I'm talking about because the evidence is overwhelming.
So which part of the video did you not understand? Was it the bit where the Socialists marched into the industries and took them over from within? Was it the bit where they implemented wage controls and price controls? Was it the bit where Hitler killed Ernst Röhm because Hitler preferred a 'peaceful revolution' and gradual reform (like the German Social Democratic Party - specifically the MSPD - in the early Weimar era) rather than a 'violent revolution' which Hitler feared would bring in Bolshevism? Was it the bit where they crushed the trade unions that refused to socialize into the State trade union, the DAF?
No, it was none of that. It's because I have "personal stuff going on". In other words, you've challenged me on a point I addressed in Section 8, Part 6: "TIK is Mentally ill" 04:43:42 ... Again, the reason the video is called "Destroying the Denialist Counter Arguments" is because I've heard all this before. And this is proof that you didn't watch the video because if you had, you wouldn't have made a remark that has already been refuted in the video that you claimed to have watched.
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The problem is that Leftists will just not accept facts. The mistake I've made is trying to overwhelm you all with evidence in order for you to not have any way of wriggling out of the correct conclusion, that's why my videos on this topic are so long. But as a former Leftist, I should have realized that none of you are thinking with your heads, you're feeling with your hearts.
It's impossible to use reason to appeal to emotions, and this is why I'm failing to make you accept the evidence and see the reality for what it truly is. When I engage you with evidence, your faith in what you perceive to be 'heavenly Socialism' acts as a shield, deflecting all my attempts to break through. Meanwhile, your mockery and insults, based on emotions, do nothing to me, since evidence is my guide, and the evidence is on my side. Thus, we're at an impasse.
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"yet, also, no man is an island.."
I don't agree with a dead poet from 300 years ago. Every man is an island.
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"we must all interface with others."
Every man is an island, but islands can communicate and trade with each other. But in doing so, the islands don't suddenly become classed as a landmass - no, we're all still islands even if we trade together.
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"what about a private union?"
A union is fundamentally opposed to business. If it wasn't, then it would have no reason to exist. If capitalism is private ownership of the means of production, and a union is opposed to that, how is it capitalist?
A "private" union isn't "private". It may not be centrally-state owned, but it's still public. Why? Because a union is a society of people, which is fundamentally non-private.
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"A free market would have to allow for such a thing..."
In a free market there wouldn't be Statist "unfair dismissal" laws forcing companies to keep the workers on the books during a strike which is legally allowed to last for 12 weeks. There wouldn't be laws preventing employers from stopping these non-workers from entering the premises of the building for ten days during the 12 week period, which stops employers from hiring new workers and dismissing the old ones. There also wouldn't be a "tribunal" which determines whether an employer has breached the law, and could fine the company £50,000 https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/245596/10-922-industrial-action-employee-guide.pdf
In a free market, the employer would have absolutely control over his private property and could just sack the employees if they walk out of their job. I mean, if you don't like your job or your working conditions, you should be looking for alternative work, not demanding things off your employer.
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I think the certain people you're referring to haven't looked into the subject of Hitler's ideology, Fascist and National Socialist economics, or the Axis occupation of Europe for more than five minutes. If they decided to do a deep dive, and not just skim the surface of the topics they're mentioning, I'm pretty sure they'd realize what the real deal was. Of course, their business model doesn't allow them to do that, since they have to publish more often then I do, and they need to bring in the cash to support their large team. I have different priorities, and my Patrons allow me to sink my teeth into topics that may not generate the views as much as others (like this video, which isn't performing so well, with YouTube telling me it is currently my worst video out of the last 10 for the length of time it's been out)
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This is why I think it's wrong to paint Hitler as a "madman". No, he was a smart, logicial, well-read person who went from nothing to controling most of Continental Europe. No madman could do that. But of course, this means he was not only human, but also normal. Sure, the foundations of his reasoning were flawed at a fundamental level, but the ideology he built up from there definitely was logical.
This means that normal people can commit crimes like this. This means that crimes like these can (and do) happen again. This means that maybe there is something fundamentally flawed in human nature, or something... But we're best confronting the monster to its face than denying it in the hope that it may go away. Calling Hitler a "madman" excuses all the normal human beings that committed crimes in his name, and forgives them for it. I think we shouldn't do that.
Hitler was an evil, but not insane human being. What he did was logical. Let's correct the flaws in the logic and prevent this whole thing from happening again.
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Except the Nazis don't consider themselves right wing. They see the Communist Left and the Capitalist Right as Jewish, and therefore put themselves in the Third Position. Their Nationalism is their Socialism, since nations (or races) are a social group.
This has been explained a hundred times now. If you don't listen, you won't learn.
I'm not a "Christian Libertarian" and have never said I am that. Nor are the Nazis (your poor English is hard to read, but it appears that you're implying that the Nazis are Christian Libertarians, which is just nonsense).
The National Socialists shared the same social policies as many other socialist movements. There were some differences, but only because they were RACE socialists, not CLASS socialists, so this changed a few elements. They still believed that humans were subservient to society, and that we should all work towards our community ("volksgemeinschaft"). Just like many socialists (Fabians, American Progressives, Soviets) they believed in euthanasia, segregation, and Social-Darwinism. They fought a war against the Christian Church just like the Soviets did, and the SS even set up polygamy centres to breed "Aryan" children. They arrested Marxists and conservatives, and many were converted over to National Socialism, which isn't much different from Marxism anyway.
Yet, despite an absolute TON of evidence (more than I've listed here) you're still seeing them as somehow opposite to Marxism because of Communist propaganda. They're Socialists competing on the same ground.
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@onylra6265 What part of "you don't need to go to university to get an education" do you not understand? The "methods and skills" can be learnt by listening to my video on History Theory. There you go, I've saved you thousands of pounds and years of your life.
Nobody's arguing that history degrees don't teach you anything, and nobody's arguing that history as a subject shouldn't be done. We're arguing that thousands of pounds of debt is not worth it to get a piece of paper with a digit on it.
Let's take an example. The average electrician in the UK is on about £33,000. A university lecturer only averages £40,000. So that's at least 2 years in college, then 6 or 7 years in university just to get the degree and PhD needed in order to do the job, let alone actually get it after you've got your qualifications. That's versus 3 years as an apprentice electrician where you actually get paid (about £20,000) to be an apprentice.
The math is obvious. The average debt for degree holders in the UK for 2022 was roughly £45,800. Since a PhD requires at least double the time at university, we can assume PhD graduate debt will be somewhere near £90,000. Meanwhile, in that same time span, an electrician could have earned £225,000 (3x £20k + 5x £33k - don't forget the two years at college), and is only £6,000 worse off assuming that the PhD person actually gets a job as a lecturer.
Now obviously, there are other jobs out there than university lecturers, and some of these are higher paying, but the point is that the cost-to-benefit ratio is actually pretty bad for PhD graduates. This is why the outstanding UK student loan debt was £182 billion in March 2022. Graduates are not earning enough to pay it back because they're not getting the high-paying jobs they were promised to do so.
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"TIK Absolutely, don’t cow-tow to these socialists just because they are unable to face up to the truth."
I'm not backing down, but it is frustrating because nobody was willing to even listen. Half the criticism was answered in the two videos which they didn't bother to watch. Yes I did make some minor mistakes (like the liberalism thing), but there was no need for the harsh reaction that was received where people were telling me to "neck yourself". It's frustrating because the decent thing to do if you disagree with someone is to explain why you disagree, not kick, scream and throw punches. When they did engage me in discussion over it, they quickly realised that I had done the research. In those circumstances they either chose not listen, or even resorted to deleting their own comments once they realised they'd lost. The Marxists have made a mockery of reasonable discourse in these videos.
"It’s less the kind of full “ownership” by the state as traditional socialism, but still a form of virtually complete control of the means of production so as to make civilian ownership really just a fiction, a care-taker position performing in the interests of the state. After all of you can’t decide what you sell your property and produce for, and if you’re not even free to decide what to do with your business or even what to produce in many cases, then you don’t have meaningful ownership."
Yes, this 'control' is something that I've noticed in both National Socialist Germany, and Fascist Italy. However, as Hitler said, the people were on his side, so he didn't need to fully nationalize the industries (although he did bring them in line and nationalized some), and he threatened total nationalization continually to keep the doubters in line. But while some claim the industrialists used Hitler, this really wasn't the case. They were all "working towards the Führer" (to quote Kershaw) and Hitler and his regime dictated policies to them. I can't see how anyone can claim this regime was capitalist.
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I would also ask you to apply your own system of critical thinking. Socialism doesn't mean the ending of private property or businesses. It only means that if you're a Marxist, which the National Socialists were not. So none of what you're saying proves or disproves anything. However, as I've said in the video, the racism and socialism are one and the same. A bunch of racists in power doesn't instantly result to death camps where the goal is to murder every single last person in a race. That's above and beyond simple racism. However it does lead to death camps if you want to "socialize the people". The state lead and centrally planned concentration camps and the gas chambers are as a result of the socialism in National Socialism (as well as the racism, obviously). Viewing the world in terms of "groups" rather than individuals, is definitely a socialist/Marxist/National Socialist way of looking at the world. Once you see them as groups, you no longer see them as individuals. Once you take away someone's individualism, they become 'rats' or 'parasites' in your mind. Once they become that, it becomes much easier to kill them. Same applies with the killing of the mentally ill and so on. So the socialism and racism combined are the key ingredients within the National Socialist ideology and massively explain what's going on in that era.
Or they're capitalists. At whic point, it becomes possible to deny the Holocaust because you can say "there's no way a state would create industrial mass execution centres", and when you think of the capitalist system, yes that makes sense.
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"TIK, you are doing nice videos on military matters but everytime you try to foray into economics it is much (much!) less good."
War is the extension of economics.
"You say that prices were arbitrary in the Soviet economy (and use T-34 price as an example, a wrong one I must point out which is just another demonstration of that you didn't actually research the topic) but it is simply not the case."
If you're alone on a desert island, how much is a coconut worth?
It's not.
Only by millions of people buying and selling goods and services do prices develop. Without the buying and selling of goods and services, you do not have prices.
Prices are arbitrary in all socialist economies, since socialist economies do not have a free market in which individuals can buy and sell. Without a free market, you have no buying and selling, and without buying and selling, you do not have prices. Without prices, you have no economic calculation.
The cost/price of a T-34 is incalculable because it's price was determined by some commissar somewhere. But is that really the price? The answer is 'no'. A good must be exchanged on a market to have a price. With no market, you have no price.
"Different factories provided tanks (and everything else) to the Soviet government at different prices. Cost of single T-34 varied wildly depending on when and where it was produced."
The government collectively owned all the factories. Therefore there was no buying or selling. Without buying or selling, the price of a T-34 is meaningless. They may have slapped a price on it, but that price isn't a true reflection of the actual value of the T-34.
"Why do you think that happened if the price was determined arbitrary?"
Either the Soviet Union had a fully free market economy (which it didn't), or they made it up as they went along (we know they based the cost of things on western prices). My bet is on the latter.
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@Hej Ludvig "According to Marx a communist society is a society which is 1 classless, 2 stateless 3 moneyless. Soviet Union fails all three therefore it wasn't communist."
According to Marx, a communist society wasn't stateless. I've explained this in the Public vs Private video. Marx (actually Engels) lied, pretending their ideology was 'stateless' because critics were complaining that their ideology was totalitarian. To answer the critics, all they did was claim that AFTER the state was established it would 'die away' or 'wither away' (depending on translation). But as I showed, that would lead to anarcho-capitalism, and would be fundamentally non-socialism since socialism is state-control of the economy. The founding of the 'dictatorship of the proletariat' would make them socialist. The destruction of that state, and everyone reverting to the free market, would make them anarcho-capitalist. Clearly, Marx and Engels weren't anarcho-capitalists, just like they weren't anarcho-socialists.
But the Soviet Union under Lenin was effectively 'moneyless' (prior to the NEP) since Lenin killed the economy. The people had to resort to barter. And, while it may not have been classless by Marxist standards, since class is a social construction and doesn't actually exist, every society is classless. And even if you disagree with that, you can't argue that Lenin and the Soviets didn't want to aim for communism/socialism. They collectivized 89.6% of the farms by the end of 1936. (Gellately, Lenin, Stalin and Hitler, P 228.) How can you say that's not a communist/socialist economy?
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@abuseofmainstreammediacanh5713 "So, depicting De Gaulle as a fame hunting imposer bringing nothing but trouble to the table is very clearly a Churchill thing."
But I didn't frame him like that at all. I never said he was "fame hunting" or an "imposer", nor did I say he was "nothing but trouble". I honestly don't even know how you got that impression from this video because, while I did say he wanted to keep fighting and take over Syria because he didn't have a base, the only time I said he wasn't in with the British was AFTER the war (1945 during the Levant Crisis).
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"IF De Gaulle was such an empty suit..."
Please explain where I said that de Gaulle was an "empty suit"? I don't think that, and I didn't say that in the video. In fact, I have no real opinion on de Gaulle. I get the impression that he was confident, and outspoken, and maybe a bit impatient, but that's certainly no different from Churchill or any of the other leaders.
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"So, once over TIK, this is no trolling. I would very much encourage you to look at the Free French without "Churchill-Goggles" it's a bit like the Guderian memoirs.. ;-)"
But I used a French source, not Churchill's. And I don't like Churchill. I've actually said several times, and will say it again, that Churchill was an idiot. So I'm not looking at this from Churchill's point of view.
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"I would suggest the battle of Bir Hakeim"
Yes, which I will cover once I get to Gazala in the North African Campaign series. I actually covered some of the Free French actions in the rest of that series, plus in the Long Range Desert Group videos. I have nothing against the French, so again, where exactly have you picked up that impression?
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Thanks! I think for most of this it's because I wasn't clear with the words in the video. Let me explain -
"Italy unprepared: absolutely, but not THAT unprepared: 7to1 ratio in Libya against Brits (also unprepared?) Graziani stopping to build aqueduct"
They had manpower, but little else. They lacked motorization, tanks, artillery, anti-aircraft guns and adequate anti-tank guns. They also had binary divisions, which arguably caused them problems, especially so given the lack of experienced officers. See my Operation Compass documentary for more details https://youtu.be/b71kdhj27rk and my video on German and Italian divisions here https://youtu.be/Q3RGtIpjvvw.
"Navy one of the best: fleet in being be cursed (Taranto)"
Except Italy ran out of oil, so couldn't use her fleet as much as she wanted to. So I would count that as not prepared.
"You say: Italy could not oppose Nazis in Austria. This is not true: Italy did, in 1934 they forced the Nazis to retreat. But in 38 they were already allied so I'd rather say they allowed Germans to take on Austria (and, by that tome, absolutely could not oppose them)."
Yes, they did in 1934, but not in 1938 because the situation had changed due to Ethiopia and the Spanish Civil War. They were in no position to oppose them militarily in 1938, so had to let the Germans take it.
"I think you underestimate France and Britain's role (appeasement) in the outburst of the conflict."
Not at all. This is another reason Mussolini couldn't oppose Hitler - he couldn't stand up to Hitler alone, which is basically what he was forced to do because of appeasement.
"Italians in Russia: not great a display BUT great glory. They did what they could. And beyond."
I'm not denying that. But again, they were under-equipped and ill-prepared for the conflict they found themselves in, much like hte Romanians and Hungarians. I'll be covering this in more detail in my Stalingrad documentary.
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"I really respect TIK and all his methods but I just cannot take his conclusion that Hitler was socialist seriously, no matter how long he makes his video or how many sources he uses to back it up."
Okay well, let me try and persuade you that you need to take what I'm saying a bit more seriously. And by the way, I've hearted your comment for two reasons. 1) because I want you to take what I'm saying seriously, and 2) because you're definitely not the only person who is saying what you're saying, so I want more people who share your views to read this message as well.
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"Hitler adopting the trappings and rhetoric of leftism while at the same time destroying unions and buddying up with big corporations is like textbook fascist populism."
Except he didn't "destroy" the trade unions - he nationalized them, and crushed those that refused to nationalize, just like Lenin did. I've been over this and provided sources backing this up in my Hitler's Socialism video.
He did "buddy" up with big corporations, but it's not in the way you're imagining it. The government is a giant corporation. And it's easier to control a small number of other giant corporations (13 in the Third Reich, and 9 in Fascist Italy) than it is to control thousands of small businesses, so central planners like strong corporations.
In fact, the idea of the Fascist corporate state comes from the idea of Syndicalism (trade unionism). The Italians called their trade unions 'Fasci'. Trade unionism was therefore Fascism. And giant trade unions that 'embody the nation' were called 'corporations'. Why? Because 'embody', is another word for 'body', or 'corpse' - therefore 'corporation' = the 'body of the nation'. So corporations (at least in the Nazi/Fascist sense) are trade unions.
And the corporations were also nationalized in all but name. The Nazis walked into the factories and took them over from within. A good example is Professor Junkers, who was kicked out of his factory and replaced by a Nazi Party member.
So when you say that they 'buddied up with big corporations' - yes, this is correct, but it's because they were Socialist, not because they were Capitalist. Capitalism is AGAINST corporations. See my Public vs Private video to find out why.
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"Even in this video he says that "Hitler's socialism" flies in the face of Christian teachings..."
Again, see my Public vs Private video to find out why. Really, I recommend that you watch my Public vs Private video, then the Hitler's Socialism video, and then the Fascism Defined video, in that order. That way, you'll come to understand what I'm saying, because it seems right now that you're not even grasping what I'm saying, and that misunderstanding is blinding you to the point I'm trying to get across. Even if you end up not agreeing with me, it's worth trying to at least understand what I'm saying, because you will learn from it, even if you disagree.
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" "Hitler was socialist" is like the first thing they teach in red scare class..."
Yeah, but I was a Socialist. I redpilled myself by accident when I read into the origins of the Holocaust, and why Hitler hated the Jews. I explain this in my Hitler's Socialism video. So, I'm not doing this because of 'red scare'. I was on your side (socialism) previously, but changed to my new stance (capitalism) based on the weight of evidence over this particular topic (and others). When you take seriously what I'm saying, and grasp what I'm trying to say by watching those three videos I mentioned before, you'll realize why I'm sticking to my guns on this particular subject.
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Okay, well I sort of see what Rothbard's saying. Bad histories do get written. If most people believe that Hitler is a capitalist, then that view will dominate the history books between 1960 and 2010. There's also no guarantee that we won't descend into a 'dark age' where only a few priests can write history, and where only propaganda can be pushed. Obviously, in such a scenario, the 'new' histories would be bad.
However, outside of a 'dark age' or a totalitarian dystopia, I disagree with Rothbard's assessment. In general, assuming a free market in history, the newer history books will tend to be the most up to date, and thus most valuable of the sources.
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No worries, and I wish you luck. I'll add that I enjoyed college because we covered the 1850-1950 era in Europe, which is an era I'm most interested in. But at university, we didn't cover that period, and so my interest waned over time. I went from being enthusiastic in the first year, to bored in the second, to almost angry and resentful in the third. How I came out with a 2:1 is beyond me because I really stopped caring by the third year. The topics were just awful, and the tutors weren't great.
My point here is to say that you're not the only one struggling with this, and you shouldn't beat yourself up about it. Perserverence is the name of the game. Most people don't survive university (or a Masters Degree) because they can't stick it out. As much as it sucks, you have to perservere. And if changing the setting or something else can help you crawl across that finish line, then do it!
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I've argued with others in the comments over this. While other nations did temporarily ban slavery at points, or "abolish" it earlier, or freed some groups of slaves from their giant pool of slaves, the British were the first to do it fully and consistently. I mean, some have argued that the Chinese banned slavery in Ancient times, but this was only for a couple years before the Emperor that did it was overthrown. To me, that doesn't really count. Mexico did pass an act banning slavery before Britain, but they didn't seem to enforce it and slavery continued for years after it. Whereas Britain was actively sending the Royal Navy around hunting ships and freeing the slaves on them. Between 1808 and 1860, the Royal Navy freed around 150,000 slaves this way https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/Abolition-Of-Slavery/
But if this is not convincing, then just imagine that I said that "Britain was one of the first nations to abolish slavery" instead.
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The information in the video came from the sources listed in the pinned comment. Can you please list your sources? Some of what you've said is certainly questionable -
1) My sources list them as Captains. This could simply be a language translation issue, but nothing to get upset about.
2) It is disputed how they took the house, but not a single one of the sources I have say the house was captured the way you described it.
3) Assuming all these facts are true, these only add to the story, not dispute anything said in the video.
4) The official account of the siege ended after 58 days because Pavlov was wounded and carted off. But the siege continued until the 10th of January, when Dragan's garrison was ordered to go north. You say there's no house garrison after that date, but this is incorrect as stated in the video, by one of the veterans of the house.
5) "Soviet newspapers used "Pavlov's house" name because it is the name which was on the maps at the time." No, it wasn't called that on their maps; I said this in the video. And not only is that confirmed in my sources, but since the publication of this video, French historian Anton Joly also confirms this https://youtu.be/kJ0QtCuJSN4
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I've replied to thousands of detailed criticism over the years, and most of them just repeat what previous critics have said. Most of it is just "muh roads", or "you don't know anything", "TIK thinks [something outlandish I didn't say]", "muh Wikipedia says", or they just resort to insults, or similar. Like OP, who hasn't provided an actual argument, just dismissal.
I've got screenshots of comments where I've gone back and forth, over and over, with people using ZERO sources, denying ALL the evidence I bring forth from multiple sources, even denying quotes from the people they believe in who say the opposite to them. The doublethink is unreal, and honestly I've given up responding to most of them.
The only reason I'm responding to this now is because I'm curious to hear an actual counter argument. Two of you have yet to provide one, despite being asked.
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Thank you for informing me, I've just unsubscribed from the guy. Wasn't really watching his content anyway so there's no loss. However, having been a socialist myself, I know it's pointless trying to get through to someone who is. I've tried numerous times, but when they see you as inherently evil and wrong, there's nothing you can do about it. No logic, reason, evidence, or persuasion can overcome religious mysticism. A response would only create unnecessary conflict over a matter that will just entrench both audiences, and I've nothing to gain from such a thing.
I will say that I've been trying to come up with a solution to the problem of getting through to socialists, making them see the hole that they're in. In fact, I've been working on this problem today... However, I've yet to figure out a solution. Until I'm confident that there is a way to get through to them, engaging in a "debate" with them is pointless. If he's using 5 sources and twisting the data, then he has zero respect for the evidence for this reality, and is, instead, believing it's "mind over matter". I cannot engage in a debate with such a person.
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What are you afraid of? Why are you so dismissive of perspectives other than the messages approved by the Left? Surely, in order to fully weigh up who is right or wrong, a deep dive in the opposing viewpoints are necessary so that you can judge the arguments by their merits and flaws?
I'm not saying you have to agree with Rothbard, but I would ask that you read the first 55 pages, which is enough to explain the main premise of his explanation on inflation. I'm not sure how long that is in the audiobook version, but there's no reason to be scared of (or enraged by) an alternative viewpoint.
Of course, we both know why you're enraged and instantly willing to dismiss other views. As an ex-socialist myself, I was in the same boat as you. It's difficult to admit that you don't actually know what the arguments for free market economics actually are, and you're concerned that your current world view might not actually be the correct one. Your subconscious knows this, which is why it's so dismissive - a defence mechanism designed to protect a fragile ego.
Remain a socialist. Don't change. But I ask you not to assume anything and actually give these books a chance: "Economics in One Lesson" by Henry Hazlitt, "Basic Economics" by Thomas Sowell, and the aforementioned "America's Great Depression" by Murray Rothbard.
I have answers to all your questions, but you'd do better to read these been and figure it out by yourself. And no, this will not be a waste of time: it could be the best thing you ever do for yourself.
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@thedj3319 "Pre-Marx socialism dealt with class."
No it didn't. Pre-Marxist Socialism had nothing to do with class. It was all about social ownership of the means of production.
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"ALL Socialism deals with class because social ownership of the means of production- the central tenet of Socialism- is impossible without overcoming class barriers."
No, class is irrelevant to socialism. Again, you're basing the everything on the Marxist interpretation of Socialism. Well, as I said, Hitler isn't a Marxist, he was a Socialist. And even then, he was trying to overcome the class crisis - so even if we accepted your incorrect interpretation, Hitler would still be a Socialist.
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"Mate. Read carefully, because your conceptions are extremely skewed."
Incorrect, you're not grasping the concepts here. Socialism has NOTHING to do with Class. Only Marxist Socialism cares about Class. Class doesn't even exist - it's a made up concept. We are individuals, not groups. There are no "classes". We are all individuals. So your argument is invalid.
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I'm currently not sure if I have all my audience on board with the idea of Hitler's Socialism. So, my mission at the moment is to consolidate my own audience, get them all on board, do more reading, more videos, provide more evidence, and then consider my options. I think you and other viewers of both channels need to see both sides of the debate, then come to your own conclusions. It sounds like you already have, which is great! But more need to do it.
I do think the weight of evidence is on my side, but the popularity of "Hitler's Capitalism" is on their side. And if their audience acts like the two guys did in this video, it's pointless to even try to engage them
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"Hitler’s Germany was neither state socialist, nor market capitalist, but rather monopolist capitalism."
Except it wasn't capitalist. Read the Vampire Economy by Günter Reimann.
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"The giant trusts and major war industries, along with all heavy industry was privately owned"
Nope, that's the lie that the Marxists keep spouting. After the National Socialist revolution, the Nazis seized the industries in all but name. They threw out the old owners and replaced them with National Socialist Party members. The State had seized control of the industries in a process they called "Gleichschaltung" (synchronization, as in synchronization with the State). I've been over this in the Hitler's Socialism video which people keep ignoring https://youtu.be/eCkyWBPaTC8
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"but like many Western nations today, was heavily subsidized by the State."
Yes, because Lord Baron Keynes copied heavily from the National Socialist economists when he drew up his economic Fascist economic doctrine.
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"Garnering enormous profits from these subsidies, they obviously had to be subservient to the whims of the Reich government."
Correct. So they weren't privatized, were they? If they have to obey the orders of the State, the don't have private ownership or control of their businesses, proving that it's not capitalism.
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The creeping progress of 30 Corps? You do realise that 30 Corps reached Nijmegen at the beginning of day three, and had the rest of the day to go to get to Arnhem (just a few more miles further). They'd gone 50 miles by this point. Yet, it would take them 36 hours to take the bridge in Nijmegen. A bridge that should have and could have been captured on day 1.
The myth that 30 Corps was too slow came from the same people who should have been blamed for the failure for not taking the Nijmegen Bridge? Coincidence? Worse, Sosabowski and the Polish got the blame - which is completely false.
Your point about the Germans being at the Nijmegen bridge already is false. There was only a handful (perhaps a dozen men) at the Nijmegen bridge on day 1. After the 7 and a half hour delay, one para battalion finally moved towards the Nijmegen bridge. As they approached the bridge, THAT is when the Germans arrived in lorries from the north. They also didn't blow the bridge because the paras managed to take the post office, that had the detonator - and they did this after a 7 and a half hour delay. If they'd gone straight to the bridge, with the element of surprise, there's no way the dozen Germans at the bridge would have resisted.
The only bridge not taken on day 1, complete or destroyed, was the Nijmegen bridge. That failure was made by Gavin, Browning, or possibly Lindquist. That is the historical debate here.
Had the bridge been taken, 30 Corps would have been north of Nijmegen on day 3, and possibly have linked up with Frost on day 3 also. If not, by day 4. This would have meant British tanks would have been across the Rhine on day 3 or 4 of the operation. But because they couldn't get across the bridge until after the 36 hour delay at Nijmegen, Frost's battalion was overwhelmed, and the operation was doomed.
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Yes, the Red Army in total on day 1 of the war had 4,901,800 men, but as stated only 2,743,000 were at the front. The Wehrmacht has around 7,309,000 men in 1941 (not sure which exact date with this statistic) but only 3,118,910 at the front on day 1 of the war.
I can't possibly respond to every comment. Only reason I'm responding today is because I'm feeling ill, so stopped working earlier than normal, freeing me up to reply to people. But I can't possibly reply to all.
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Because it's impossible to just stick to the facts. Anyone who pretends that they're just sticking to the facts is being dishonest - all they're doing is hiding their biases from you, and you're mistakenly believing that they're not subtly pushing their interpretation upon you. I know for a fact that some of the other so-called "non-biased" or "objective" history YouTubers out there actually have extreme views, and their audiences have no idea.
History theory makes clear that the historian should interpret the evidence. This interpretation requires a value judgement. To mitigate bias, the historian has to look at the evidence from all the different perspectives. This requires that the historian KNOW all perspectives.
I was a socialist, and now I'm for the free markets. I've also studied Third Positionism extensively, and use all the evidence I can get my hands on, giving me numerous different perspectives. So, having an understanding of several different perspectives, I can make very informed judgements. I also always place the evidence and logic above everything else, and that's why I end up concluding the way I do.
That's why people value my work. My "political" bias isn't actually political - it's evidence and logic based, unlike those pretending to be "objective", when in fact they are anything but.
But this is why people don't like me. I'm not just going to accept faulty premises or poor logic. I'm not just going to assume something is true. And I have no problem calling out the false narratives when I see them. If you don't like it, tough. I'm not compromising the truth for your beliefs. Evidence and logic must come first.
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“The hazards of working with material related to secret operations are immense. Long-standing friendships with this or that member of a particular service are only a disadvantage, as events still covered by the Official Secrets Act and therefore subject to archival embargo obviously cannot be discussed. The consistency with which the most modest and oblique of enquiries have been met with a wall of dignified and amicable silence in certain quarters, usually quite voluble on other topics, is an impressive testament to the oaths of loyalty that servants of the Crown, distinguished and undistinguished, embrace. If there is one great lesson to be learnt by those who research the more obscure dealings of the British secret service during the war, it is that the officers of those services cannot, on the whole, be persuaded to break their vows. For those who believe that a country without an efficient and loyal intelligence force is automatically doomed, this is reassuring.”
Bassett, “Hitler’s Spy Chief,” p11-12.
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I don't think there are any stupid questions, and I thought that it was a nice one. If nothing else, it gives us an opportunity to point out why some ideas might seem good at first, but when you really think it through (the principle of "the seen and the unseen") you see why things don't work out as we might imagine. Raising minimum wage might seem like a good idea, but what are the consequences? It turns out that it actually hurts the poor. (And if someone reading this doesn't understand why, then I encourage you to read "Economics in One Lesson" by Henry Hazlitt.)
Also, if I'm honest, while I could guess at the answer to this question (oil, production issues, chaff, etc), I wasn't actually 100% sure because I'm more focused on the ground war. Therefore I had to look it up too.
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One of the lessons of history is that you must always look at the context, which you would have got had you watched the video. As someone posted on Twitter:
“A small breakdown of just one month of why British people are unhappy with mass immigration:
July 4th, at the election, several Muslim MPs were elected to the House of Commons on the back of Free Palestine.
July 11th, the new Labour government announced it would release 5,000 prisoners early in September, with most having served 40% of their sentence.
July 15th, we learned London’s Metropolitan Police had not solved a SINGLE petty crime burglary, car theft, phone theft in three years, across 166 areas.
July 17th, it was reported that a Jordanian refugee, Mustafa al Mbaidan, who had assaulted a female police officer in Bournemouth, was spared community service on the grounds that he cannot speak English.
July 18th, two asylum seekers, Yousef Garef and Amin Abdelbakar, who stole a Rolex worth £25,000 from a tourist, were spared jail.
July 18th, that same day, mass rioting in minority communities broke out in Harehills [which is in Leeds] after social services took four Romani children into social care.
July 18th rioting broke out in East London’s Bangladeshi community, following political unrest in Bangladesh, with rocks thrown at police officers and cars smashed in communities that are majority Muslim.
July 23rd, it was announced that Anjem Choudary, Britain’s most famous Islamist, was to be sentenced for directing Islamist terror on Britain’s streets.
July 23rd a British Army Officer was repeatedly stabbed outside his home by Anthony Esan, a Nigerian immigrant.
July 26th, protests broke out after footage emerged of Greater Manchester Police taking action against Fahir and Amaad Amaas at Manchester Airport who had severely assaulted armed officers.
July 27th, six arrests were made after a drive-by shooting in the town of Watford.
July 29th, reports emerged that a man had been stabbed to death, with two others injured, following a knife fight in a park in East London.
July 29th, Southport there was the mass stabbing and murder of three children.
July 30th, a mass brawl involving machetes erupted on the streets of Southend.
July 30th it was reported that a homeless Kurdish migrant had pushed a man onto the tracks at a London Underground station after feeling ‘disrespected’.
July 30th it was reported that another 3,000 migrants have entered Britain illegally on small boats since Labour took power less than a month ago, taking the total number of crossings by mainly young male migrants from countries like Afghanistan, Eritrea, Sudan, and Syria to around 130,000."
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Hey Noah, first thing I'd say is don't wait until you "grow up". Get started now. While qualifications are good for getting a job, they're not required at all for anyone with an interest in a subject. All they provide is accreditation (validation from an institution), but not having a piece of paper doesn't mean you can't start. Get two books on the same topic (e.g. the US in WW2) and read both. Make notes (use Google Drive, which is free, to take notes). See if there's any contradictions between the two. See what their writing styles are. Look for any twists or turns in their texts which might indicate distortions. Question everything. Check out my recent Pienaar video for an example of why being critical of your source material is good https://youtu.be/LlOZdrvnIfk Most sources are not this bad, but you'll be surprised by how much they miss out. Once you've read two sources, get a third, and see how that differs again.
In general, you can only really be sure that a source is distorted or untruthful once you've read widely on a topic. This is why you're probably best starting off broad (like, strategic) but then over time narrowing down what you're looking into. So, you might start off looking at the US in WW2, but then decide that the European Theatre is something you like best. Then you might narrow it down even further until you look at the Normandy Campaign. Then you might narrow it down further by looking at just Operation Lüttich, for example. And if you look at the Wikipedia Page for Operation Lüttich, you'll find 11 books on or related to the battle for you to start looking into. Then if you go on Amazon, you'll probably find even more. And this is just the secondary sources, nevermind the primary sources.
And this is the point - there's a LOT of sources out there for you to read. There is a colossal mountain of information; far too much for any one of us to ever wade through. But by splitting things down into manageable chunks (going from looking at the whole of the USA, but then over time focusing on Operation Lüttich and the Battle for Mortain) you can gain 'specialist' knowledge on certain topics. And you'll find this to be the case throughout the profession - most historians specialize on certain topics. I've had to say "no" lots of times now to covering the Pacific Theatre. Not because I won't ever cover it, or am not interested in it, but I have a ton of reading yet to do on Courland, Stalingrad, North Africa, WW2 economics and politics, Lend Lease, the Holocaust... so I simply don't have time to even start on it. Sometimes saying 'no' is necessary in order for you to specialize on a topic, and it is by specializing that you'll really become the master of that particular topic. You'll still want to read the occasional broad book, but in general specialize.
I'll be talking about a lot of this stuff in my upcoming video on the 'Theory of History'. I think you'll get a lot from that video so be sure to watch it.
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"@TIK It is not socialism! when they say race control it does not matter if it is private or social owned as long a sit is racially pure."
Except it does matter if it's privately or socially owned -
"...in practice the Reichsbank and the Reich Ministry of Economic Affairs had no intention of allowing the radical activists of the SA, the shopfloor militants of the Nazi party or Gauleiter commissioners to dictate the course of events. Under the slogan of the 'strong state', the ministerial bureaucracy fashioned a new national structure of economic regulation." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112
“We worked and governed with incredible elan. We really ruled. For the bureaucrats of the Ministry the contrast to the Weimar Republic was stark. Party chatter in the Reichstag was no longer heard. The language of the bureaucracy was rid of the paralysing formula: technically right but politically impossible.” - Schacht, speaking of the situation after 1933. Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112-113
"It would be absurd to deny the reality of this shift. The crisis of corporate capitalism in the course of the Great Depression did permanently alter the balance of power. Never again was big business to influence the course of government in German as directly as it did between the outbreak of World War I in 1914 and the onset of the Depression in 1929. The Reich's economic administration, for its part, accumulated unprecedented powers of national economic control." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P113
“Control over domestic resources was paralleled by centralized control over imports. Both countries [Nazi and Soviet] controlled and restricted international trade.” Temin, P580
"Both governments reorganized industry into larger units, ostensibly to increase state control over economic activity. The Nazis reorganized industry into 13 administrative groups with a large number of subgroups to create a private hierarchy for state control. The state therefore could direct the firms’ activities without acquiring direct ownership of enterprises. The pre-existing tendency to form cartels was encouraged to eliminate competition that would destabilize prices.” Temin, P582-583
“The Soviets had made a similar move in the 1920s. Faced with a scarcity of administrative personnel, the state encouraged enterprises to combine into trusts and trusts to combine into syndicates. These large units continued into the 1930s where they were utilized to bridge the gap between overall plans and actual production.” Temin, P583
"“... this difference was not important to many decisions. The incentives for managers - both positive and negative - were very similar in the two countries. Consequently, their responses to the [Four or Five Year] plans were also similar. In neither case did the managers set the goals of the plans.” Temin, P590-591
“The life of the German businessman is full of contradictions. He cordially dislikes the gigantic, top-heavy, bureaucratic State machine which is strangling his economic independence. Yet he needs the aid of these despised bureaucrats more and more, and is forced to run after them, begging for concessions, privileges, grants, in fear that his competitor will gain the advantage.” - Reimann (Vampire Economy)
They also nationalised the railways (Deutsche Reichsbahn), the youth (Hitler Youth), nationalised labour (Reichsarbeitsdienst; RAD; Reich Labour Service), formed workers into "workers battalions", nationalised recreational activities through the Strenght Through Joy program, nationalised the unions (German Labour Front), regulated food protection (Reichsnährstand corporation), and nationalised the engineering sector (Organisation Todt, State run. Constructed the Autobahns and other huge engineering projects. Constructed concentration camps. Had 1.4 million prisoners as slaves in 1944).
So yes, they controlled the means of production.
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“Control over domestic resources was paralleled by centralized control over imports. Both countries [Nazi and Soviet] controlled and restricted international trade.” Temin, P580
"Both governments reorganized industry into larger units, ostensibly to increase state control over economic activity. The Nazis reorganized industry into 13 administrative groups with a large number of subgroups to create a private hierarchy for state control. The state therefore could direct the firms’ activities without acquiring direct ownership of enterprises. The pre-existing tendency to form cartels was encouraged to eliminate competition that would destabilize prices.” Temin, P582-583
“The Soviets had made a similar move in the 1920s. Faced with a scarcity of administrative personnel, the state encouraged enterprises to combine into trusts and trusts to combine into syndicates. These large units continued into the 1930s where they were utilized to bridge the gap between overall plans and actual production.” Temin, P583
"“... this difference was not important to many decisions. The incentives for managers - both positive and negative - were very similar in the two countries. Consequently, their responses to the [Four or Five Year] plans were also similar. In neither case did the managers set the goals of the plans.” Temin, P590-591
“Like Hitler, Backe saw the mission of National Socialism as being the supersession of the rotten rule of the bourgeoisie. Far from being impractical, Backe’s ideology provided a grand historical rationale for the extreme protectionism already implemented by the nationalist agrarians. Far from being backward looking, Backe’s vision assigned to National Socialism the mission of achieving a reconciliations of the unresolved contradictions of nineteenth-century liberalism. It was not National Socialism but the Victorian ideology of the free market that was the outdated relic of a bygone era. After the economic disasters of the early 1930s there was no good reason to cling to such a dangerous archaic doctrine. The future belonged to a new system of economic organization capable of ensuring both the security of the national food supply and the maintenance of a healthy farming community as the source of racial vitality.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P174
[Tooze's Wages of Destruction P179-180] Because Germany didn’t have enough land to feed her population, both Backe and Hitler (and others) wanted to expand eastwards. The local populations were to be impacted by German ‘rearrangement’. “Those left in place were to serve as slave labour on German settler farms. The SS was to be the sword and shield of this settler movement.”
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By law, individuals couldn't own property. Therefore, they cannot own businesses. The 'privatization' that took place, in fact, is a slight of hand. And there are many instances where the government exercised their power by seizing a person's personal property or businesses - namely the Jews. The Nazis nationalized industries that didn't do as they insisted, then 're-privatized' them. But in reality those businesses could only function as part of the state, and were under control by the state, and weren't really owned by their owners.
"The Nazis viewed private property as conditional on its use - not as a fundamental right. If the property was not being used to further Nazi goals, it could be nationalized.” Temin, P576
“Prof. Junkers of the Junkers aeroplane factory refused to follow the government’s bidding in 1934. The Nazis thereupon took over the plant, compensating Junkers for his loss. This was the context in which other contracts were negotiated.” Temin, P576-577
“Manufacturers in Germany were panic-stricken when they heard of the experiences of some industrialists who were more or less expropriated [had their property seized] by the State. These industrialists were visited by State auditors who had strict orders to “examine” the balance sheets and all bookkeeping entries of the company (or individual businessman) for the preceding two, three, or more years until some error or false entry was found. The slightest formal mistake was punished with tremendous penalties. A fine of millions of marks was imposed for a single bookkeeping error. Obviously, the examination of the books was simply a pretext for partial expropriation of the private capitalist with a view to complete expropriation and seizure of the desired property later. The owner of the property was helpless, since under fascism there is no longer an independent judiciary that protects the property rights of private citizens against the state. The authoritarian State has made it a principle that private property is no longer sacred.” - Reimann, Chapter II (no page number, as on Kindle)
Reimann, in 1939, quotes from a German businessman’s letter to an American businessman -
“The difference between this and the Russian system is much less than you think, despite the fact that officially we are still independent businessmen.” “Some businessmen have even started studying Marxist theories, so that they will have a better understanding of the present economic system.” “How can we possibly manage a firm according to business principles if it is impossible to make any predictions as to the prices at which goods are to be bought and sold? We are completely dependent on arbitrary Government decisions concerning quantity, quality and prices for foreign raw materials.” “You cannot imagine how taxation has increased. Yet everyone is afraid to complain about it. The new State loans are nothing but confiscation of private property, because no one believed that the Government will ever make repayment, nor even pay interest after the first few years.” “We businessmen still make sufficient profit, sometimes even large profits, but we never know how much we are going to be able to keep…”
“The decree of February 28, 1933, nullified article 153 of the Weimar Constitution which guaranteed private property and restricted interference with private property in accordance with certain legally defined conditions … The conception of property has experienced a fundamental change. The individualistic conception of the State - a result of the liberal spirit - must give way to the concept that communal welfare precedes individual welfare. (Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz).” - Reimann, quoting from Jahrbuch des Oeffentlichen Rechtes der Gegenward, ed. by Otto Koellreuther (1935), p. 267.
“There exists no law which binds the State. The State can do what it regards as necessary, because it has the authority.” “The next stage of National-Socialist economic policy consists of replacing capitalist laws by policy.” - Fritz Nonnenbruch, the financial editor of the Voelkischer Beobachter (quoted by Reimann).
“The life of the German businessman is full of contradictions. He cordially dislikes the gigantic, top-heavy, bureaucratic State machine which is strangling his economic independence. Yet he needs the aid of these despised bureaucrats more and more, and is forced to run after them, begging for concessions, privileges, grants, in fear that his competitor will gain the advantage.” - Reimann
“Such a system also changes the psychology of businessmen. Their experiences teach them that the old right of property no longer exists. They find themselves compelled to respect the “national interest” or the “welfare of the community.”” “Businessmen must claim that everything they do, any new business for which they want a certificate, any preferment in the supply of raw materials, etc., is “in the interest of the national community.”” - Reimann
Schacht centralized and heavily regulated the electricity production industry, which then sparked a new plan of economic administration. This was all in 1935. [Tooze's Wages of Destruction P111-112]
"...in practice the Reichsbank and the Reich Ministry of Economic Affairs had no intention of allowing the radical activists of the SA, the shopfloor militants of the Nazi party or Gauleiter commissioners to dictate the course of events. Under the slogan of the 'strong state', the ministerial bureaucracy fashioned a new national structure of economic regulation." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112
“We worked and governed with incredible elan. We really ruled. For the bureaucrats of the Ministry the contrast to the Weimar Republic was stark. Party chatter in the Reichstag was no longer heard. The language of the bureaucracy was rid of the paralysing formula: technically right but politically impossible.” - Schacht, speaking of the situation after 1933. Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112-113
"It would be absurd to deny the reality of this shift. The crisis of corporate capitalism in the course of the Great Depression did permanently alter the balance of power. Never again was big business to influence the course of government in German as directly as it did between the outbreak of World War I in 1914 and the onset of the Depression in 1929. The Reich's economic administration, for its part, accumulated unprecedented powers of national economic control." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P113
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Devote, defined as:
(Google) give all or most of one's time or resources to (a person or activity).
(Cambridge) to give all of something, especially your time, effort, or love, or yourself, to something you believe in or to a person
(Merriam-Webster) to commit by a solemn act, or to give over or direct (time, money, effort, etc.) to a cause, enterprise, or activity
"Devote" does not mean "try your best", as you described it. It means GIVE ALL.
Historically, Catholics said you must devote your life to God, since God is everything. Now, I'm aware that Catholicism has watered itself down over the past 50 years, but that's irrelevant considering we're discussing the first 1950 years of the Catholic doctrine.
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@Bill Bolton "shorter videos; instead of a video that takes eight days to make every week, release it in two parts."
That's what I did here, but people are complaining about that, so apparently that's not an option 😕
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"Also if you want to keep releasing content how about a q&a video every other week, maybe centred around the last weeks 'Battle storm' video, needing less graphics and editing."
I did that with the Addendum series, but people weren't watching them. They're not even watching this, apparently because it's not Battlestorm Stalingrad. It appears that I've turned the channel into the "Stalingrad channel", which is absolutely not what I wanted to do.
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"I've heard for maximum YouTube ad revenue you need lots of short videos;"
Yes, if I was aiming for views and ad-revenue alone, that would make sense. It's the best way to grow a channel - lots of cat videos and vlogs. If I turned this into a gaming channel again, I could release half a dozen videos a day, no problem. However, I'm not reliant on YouTube ad-revenue; I'm reliant on my Patreons & SubscribeStars, who prefer long-form content.
What I'm most concerned about is the YouTube algorithm, which can completely derail an entire channel by not recommending the videos to people. If I don't get new Patreons, and the old ones drop off, the channel will slowly die. So I have to publish weekly, and I have to publish longer videos, otherwise I lose the algorithm, and/or I lose Patreons. I've put myself in the most difficult position - a rock and a hard place.
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So, I actually went full-time in mid-April (2018, in case people are seeing this in the future) thanks entirely to my Patreons - although I've only just started making enough per month that I'm not eating into my savings. The only reason I was able to release a video a week between January and April was because I built up a reserve prior to making the new-years resolution, and then I also gamed my holidays at my old job so I had four whole weeks off during the January-April period, plus bank holidays. In fact, had I not left my job when I did, I would have failed to release the next video (which was Fall Blau), so I only barely scraped by.
As I said, I'm working 73.9 ours on average - with some weeks where I'm working 90+ hours. Yes, that is including breaks (like lunch), but I can say, hand on heart, that I'm not actually having enough breaks. Forget Pomodoro, I've just been working solidly. Sure, I'll go get a cup of water if I'm thirsty, but I'm back to work within 2 minutes. On top of that, I didn't have a single day off between July 4th and August 4th, and I've not had a full-day off since the 8th of August (it's now the 3rd of September). And I'm going to be honest, I've absolutely struggled to keep up with the Monday videos whilst working on the script for Crusader. That's why I started doing Patreon Q&A videos every 3-weeks because they required less time to make, which would free me up to do the Crusader script. So, to commit to doing more videos a week is simply impossible at the moment.
I've seriously been considering reducing the videos down to bi-weekly, but you're correct that the weekly-videos have been the reason this channel has taken off. I'm 100% reliant on my Patreons (ad-revenue is just pocket money for a channel this size) and I don't want to let anyone down. That's why, I decided last night that I absolutely needed to release Crusader in parts going forward - otherwise I'd never get it done.
You're right that I should get help making these videos, however the money I'm bringing in off both YouTube and Patreon has only just (this month) reached a point where this has become sustainable for me. I'm making just over minimum wage, and I've taken a pay cut to do this! So there's zero chance right now of hiring an editor or a research assistant etc. But, in the future, with more support, that might be an option.
Clearly though, I'm not doing this for the money. Despite the long hours and the lack of a social-life, it's the best job I've ever had :)
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You didn't listen. The choice is between:
Option 1. Taking a pay cut (let's say, by 25%) knowing that the price of everything will be lower still (50%) and thus your pay has actually increased in real terms, even though the amount has gone down in nominal terms.
Or Option 2. Being unemployed, and thus not being able to afford anything.
In such a scenario, it's better to take a pay cut and remain in the job as your living standards will actually increase due to the reduction in prices.
But obviously, this is assuming we have a free market, which we certainly don't. In reality, continuous inflation, price regulations, and more manipulations prevent prices and wages from coming down, thus creating mass long term unemployment.
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"Inflation is actually a sign of a growing economy."
As I explained, it's a sign that the economy is being manipulated and that a recession will come in the future.
(Clarification: in a free market, there would be periods of inflation and deflation, rather than constant inflation, so technically there would be some inflation, but only for a short period of time)
"Deflation might just be the easier problem to solve as you just print more money."
Deflation isn't bad. In fact, it can be quite good, unless you're a government who needs constant inflation to survive since you don't create wealth, you only steal it. That's why banks and governments like inflation and dislike deflation. But for the average guy, deflation is actually a good thing.
"My point is that inflation is not always counterfeiting money."
Of course it is! That's literally what it is!
"You can't keep having a growing economy when you can't have a money supply that grows with it."
No, you absolutely can! Growing the currency supply is irrelevant. All that matters is producing more goods and services. If you have £1000 and buy a car with that, then you have a car. If you have £2000 because of inflation and buy the same car with it, you're not any better off than you were when you have the £1000. The digits are meaningless. What matters is purchasing power, which is slowly destroyed under normal inflation, and rapidly wiped out during hyperinflation.
"This is actually a massive problem with the Gold standard. The Gold standard can only increase the money supply by digging up more gold."
The amount of gold is irrelevant. What matters is what you can purchase with that gold (the purchasing power). The reason gold is good is because it retains your purchasing power. This is why every fiat currency eventually hyperinflates, whereas gold does not. It also can't be inflated to the same extent as currency can, and has actual uses (e.g. jewelry).
"The fiat system allows governments control the money supply very quickly"
Bingo. That's why they want it. They can counterfeit currency and steal wealth from everyone, and redistributing it to themselves.
"it will not be affected by someone just showing up with a massive amount of gold and make all money worthless. Like Spain once did."
Gold doesn't stand still, but it's also not as bad as the currency supply. Your argument against gold - pointing to Spain - is actually the exact reason why fiat currency is bad. In order for gold to lose value, you'd have to dig a hell of a lot of it out of the ground all of a sudden (like Spain did). However, there's a finite amount of it, so it's not a very likely scenario, which is why Spain is one of the few exceptions. But EVERY fiat currency has the potential to hyperinflate because the government and central banks can just print a massive amount of currency and make all the currency worthless. Like Wiemar Germany, Venezuela, Zimbabwe, Rome, Austria, North Korea, Hungary, the Soviet Union.....
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Good points! Tbh, it's almost too close to call. When I was working on my documentary, I debated whether I should blame both Gavin AND Browning, as Browning made a lot of really crucial mistakes. In the end I chose to single out Gavin because I do think his decision at Nijmegen was huge. A lot of people say the operation was doomed from the start, but this argument actually suggests it wasn't, which is a nice alternative argument to the traditional one. Also it presents a "what if" because if they had taken the bridge, would XXX Corps have gotten to Arnhem, and would people still say the plan was "rotten"? So that's my reasoning for backing it.
But like you pointed out, there were lots of mistakes made by everyone. From Ike and Montgomery, all the way down to Browning and Gavin. Browning's mistakes especially are so numerous that it's hard to list them all. But I would say (again, my opinion) that Nijmegen was a bit more decisive. Sort of like an umbrella. Browning's umbrella has a lot of holes in it, but it was Gavin that snapped the stem. Which is worse? In the end it doesn't matter because either way you're definitely getting wet.
Obviously, this is all up for debate. But you're right in saying that Browning is at fault here, and I certainly won't try to persuade you otherwise :)
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@Shitindawoods Bear.
Everyone is biased - that's basic history theory. So yes, I am biased
However, I can only go where the evidence takes me, and the evidence clearly indicates that the Axis Powers of WW2 murdered millions of people, and a part of murder toll was the Holocaust.
If such evidence didn't exist, then I would be the first to say it. But it does exist. Irving has even used this evidence himself, except he manipulated the documents to 'prove' his agenda.
And I have come out against the Lamestream interpretation - including Evans - in other videos. I have been outcast by many for saying that National Socialists are REAL Socialists. And the video I said that Evans was wrong in his interpretation (note: he didn't manipulate evidence like Irving did) was during my Hitler's Socialism video https://youtu.be/eCkyWBPaTC8
I also pointed out the fundamental ideological flaw in National Socialism in that video, which is that it's own ideology disproves itself.
But this is the point: as postmodernists, you don't care for evidence. Your racist agenda blinds you to your faith. Well, my faith is in reason, logic and history, not in pseudo-scientific and irrational Socialism.
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" So, in another words, you want to prove that all "socialists" are warmongers and mass murderers.
Are you aware that you're taking a slippery slope position?
You're trying to blame an ideology, not people (or rather psychopaths) who want to hide behind it. That's just dishonest and so wrong on too many levels, and gives people totally wrong ideas."
Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Che, Lenin, Trotsky, Xi Jinping, Beria, Ho Chi Minh, Molotov, Khrushchev, Castro, Kim Il-sung, Kim Jong-un... ALL of these communists/socialists were/are warmongers and mass murderers. Karl Marx called for war, which he called "Revolution", and for "class struggle" (war against the rest of society and the Jews). The ideology itself is inherently designed to cause violence, slavery and oppression. It's not a case of psychopaths are being drawn to the ideology, but that the ideology is actually creating psychopaths. None of what I'm saying here is "dishonest and wrong", nor is it giving people "totally wrong ideas". History shows all this clearly, that's why you and your brethren are desperate to distort history.
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"Just btw, when you were a socialist (as you've admitted so), did you want to initiate wars and kill people?"
I understood that war was a necessary evil and that the Revolution was inevitable. I, of course, no longer subscribe to either of those views now. War should be avoided at all costs, and the Revolution is absolutely not inevitable and doesn't even need to happen. The poor can get rich under capitalism if they drop their socialist ideology and learnt basic economics.
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"Hitler was an ambitious, ego-tripping psychopath. Just like many other politicians."
Just like ALL politicians.
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"He used the crisis in society to seize the power."
Just like any other Revolutionary.
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"And the most important thing is that we learn what exactly brought him in such position and what initiated crisis, so we wouldn't make such mistakes again and avoid potential crisis. That's what history needs to teach us."
Absolutely.
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"Symbols and labels are NOT important, just maybe a side note, at most."
Except that those symbols and labels are exactly what brought him to power. So you're ignoring the lesson that history is trying to teach you, and you're doing it because you support the exact same symbols and labels. You're ego-invested in the ideology and don't have the courage to seriously question it, in case it (somehow) damages who you are as a person. I can guarantee you that that isn't what will happen. You will be embarrassed for believing in such nonsense and then, after you get over that embarrassment, a world of opportunities will open up to you that you never even dreamed possible.
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"For instance... We are on the brink of the WW3, right now. What is Putin? Tell me, is he a socialist? Communist maybe? What ideology we should blame now?"
He's an ex-member of the KGB (communist) who wants to reunite the Soviet Union and destroy western capitalism. At the very least, he's socialist, which is why he's aligned with China.
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"Or maybe, just maybe, nothing is really black or white, and there are many other instances we should pay our attention for. Causes and consequences, actions and reactions... not ideologies."
Nothing is by accident. People have ideas, those ideas are the causes, and the consequences are what we are seeing. Ignoring the ideologies is ignoring the causes.
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"And that's why only numbnuts are interested into labels and symbols."
The reason I'm a numbnut is because I will stubbornly stand by the facts and not bow to social pressure, even when my critics are trying to paint me as insane, anti-semitic, evil, demonic, madman, hopeless, crazy, Jewish, bitter, angry, hateful... and so on. Name calling is irrelevant. Even if I was any one of those things, it doesn't change the evidence. Focus on the argument not the person making it.
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"Smart, mature people are getting into relevant details and data, into causes and consequences, because that's how problems are getting resolved. And I really, really hope you can understand that."
This is relevant, it's detailed and it's data. It is the cause, and the consequences are striking. I can't talk about the consequences unless I talk about the causes. I cannot explain the Holocaust if it was caused by the buying and selling of goods and services on the free market. I can only explain it if it was centrally planned, and in order to cover it I have to explain the ideology that caused it - socialism. Denying the socialism in National Socialism is equivalent to denying the Holocaust.
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"Stop with child games already, and smarten up, will you?"
You have the potential within you to do great things, but your distorted view of the world will prevent you from achieving your dreams.
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"if you are not able to pay a living wage, you should not be in business at all."
Nobody owes you anything, not even a "living wage". Your wages are determined by your skill and the number of people who have the same skill as you (supply and demand). If you're not being paid what you deem to be a "living wage", then the onus is on you to either get better skills, or work for yourself. And I encourage you to produce your own products and services, as that's the way to wealth. Working for other people is not the way to wealth.
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"Working full hours, even 2 jobs and still having to use gov benefits is just wrong."
Correct, although the problem isn't the employer, it's you and the government. I'm not against the idea of someone on benefits also working for a cash-in-hand job on the side. In fact, I encourage it. If you're going to receive benefits from the state either way, you should at least be productive. The economy is grinding to a halt as a result of the inflation and low-interest rate policies we've had for decades now https://mises.org/wire/here-we-go-again-fed-causing-another-recession
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caelachyt Ah, but here's the thing. I was taught (when studying for my history degree) to come to definite conclusions. So for example, rather than saying "it was a combination of factors that lead to blah blah blah" we would say "this was the main reason for blah blah blah". Now, the reason I think we were taught that was so that actually stated an argument in our essays, which would then lead to higher marks. But the benefit of having an argument when writting essays or in this case a documentary is that it leads to discussion (or an argument lol).
Now, I absolutely agree with you that it was a "combination of factors" that lead to the failure of Operation Market Garden. You listed a good chunk of them above. But for me to just state that it was a "combination of factors" wouldn't teach anything to anybody. It wouldn't discuss the debate that historians are having over this subject, as every documentary out there comes to the same conclusions. Seriously, I ask you to go out there and find a documentary that even mentions the failure at Nijmegen. Nobody mentions it. Why? Because it would lead to debate.
On TV, a debate is bad. You don't want people complaining about your programs so you just pander to the masses. On the internet, debate is good. YouTube is a social platform. I enjoy debating things. I'm enjoying debating it with you now. And that's something we wouldn't have got if I'd said the same thing every other documentary out there had said.
Because I said "it was Gavin" essentially makes this a debate. And that's the point. On the one hand, it's actually arguing something, rather than being a bit indecisive. On the other, it gets people interested in talking about history.
So with all that in mind, here's a question for you (and anyone else reading this). We all accept that it was a combination of factors that lead to Operation Market Garden. BUT if you had to choose ONE reason out of all of the factors listed as the PRIMARY reason for it's failure, which one would you choose? You can only choose one. What problem had the most negative impact on the Operation and cost the Allies the victory? It doesn't matter if you still think it was a "combination of factors". What, in your opinion, was the main factor out of the combination? Was it Browning? Was it Gavin? Was it faulty radios? What part of Monty's plan was it that went wrong?
And I said it when I came to my conclusions in the video but I'll say it again. Every soldier, both Allied and German, fought hard in this battle. Nobody questions that. But sometimes mistakes are made. We just need to figure out what was the biggest mistake in this case.
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Glad you liked the video! And yes, I replied to someone else about the battleship thing who questioned it. I must apologize, I double-checked my source, and it's not "Battleships" but "warships". Somehow in the process of making the video I've converted this into "battleships", which is incorrect (although may have included battleships, but it wasn't Battleships). I shall give you the original quote -
"[Rommel] had cabled Mussolini on December 2nd to the effect that the fighting efficiency of Panzergruppe Afrika depended upon a continuous stream of reinforcements, fuel, ammunition, and replacement armour and artillery, and the reply, that sea traffic between Italy and Libya was becoming increasingly dangerous, and that warships were the only vessels capable of getting through - and then with only limited cargoes of fuel and ammunition - had been dismissed by him as just another example of Italian obstructiveness." Page 146-147, Pitt, B. "The Crucible of War: Auchinleck's Command." Volume II, 2001.
I can't pull this video down for that mistake, but I will correct it for the final 7-8 hour all-in-one Crusader video.
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"except that bullshit when you claimed that NSDAP was a far left party simply because they stuffed the word "socialist" in their name, which was a total nonsense and pretty silly"
Except that wasn't bullshit. Socialism is the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). Are you telling me that the Nazi economy wasn't run by the state? Because I can provide you with overwhelming evidence that says it was, if you'd like to see it?
The best part is, by exposing Hitler's socialism, you massively undermine the neo-Nazi cause. By pretending it's capitalism, people will be more willing to go over to the neo-Nazi cause, since they think it's just another form of capitalism (which it isn't).
"You are responsible for your comments, you can't just make a video, no matter how unbiased it is, and stand aside and let people do anything in YOUR comment section."
Funny because when I announced that I was deleting denialist comments, I had such a backlash from people crying 'free speech'. Of course, they were correct. Free speech is actually a core tenant of western liberal thinking, and therefore, comments shall remain (except for spammy ones that don't do anything to the discussion). For example, your comment wasn't deleted even though you're promoting the myth that Nationalsocialism wasn't socialism, furthering the neo-Nazi cause (and, unknowingly, denying the existence of both the Holocaust and WW2 - since you can't explain these two events without Hitler's socialism). Rather than delete your comment for spouting Marxist propaganda, I've left it up, challenged you on it, and prepared to unleash a ton of evidence on you when you claim that I'm still wrong. ('Privatization', trade unions, Erst Röhm etc, all can be explained.)
So, let's see what you decide to do - claim I'm wrong without presenting any evidence in support, claim I'm wrong by presenting evidence that won't stand up to my evidence, delete your own comment (lots of Marxists and Neo-Nazis resort to that tactic when I corner them) or accept that perhaps TIK actually has done a ton more research and has absolutely done his homework so you'll ask me to present my evidence because you're curious as to what I've found. Your choice.
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"Nearly of the sources you cited were right-wing libertarian ones, which you took your hyper-simplified economic model from."
I used economic books from economists, not social revolutionaries. Turns out that socialist economic models don't work, as history makes it very clear. The Labour Theory of Value can't even explain why a Manchester United shirt is £45 while another shirt that takes the same time to make is £5 in Primark. It's pointless.
And the only reason they come to this idea that socialism works is because they don't understand basic economics. Worse, they assumed that because they have read the Communist Manifesto (they clearly hadn't read Das Kapital, and I don't blame them because it's almost as badly written as Mein Kampf) and think that they were entitled to free money by not working. Sorry, but if you crash land on a tropical island and you don't work for your food, you starve to death. The same applies in the modern world.
Unfortunately, people didn't listen to me at all in that video, otherwise you wouldn't be accusing me of making blank statements. I explained why taxing the rich hurts the poor. In fact, that was one of the central points of the video.
"Groups that develop this kind of group tribal mentality don't have to just be groups that people are born into. The same thing can happen with ideological groups."
Agreed.
"if you identify yourself as a libertarian, it is easy to fall into the trap of assuming that sources or models which support your ideology are trustworthy, and ones that don't are untrustworthy. Both marxists and libertarians are often guilty of this, thinking that hyper-simplified economic models which support their ideology represent the fundamental nature of capitalism, but others which don't are either nonsense or malicious propaganda from the other side."
Agreed. This is why I'm neither a Marxist nor Libertarian, since their models don't work.
I go for evidence and interpretation. Superior evidence and interpretation is essential for our understanding of the truth. If you reject evidence and interpretation, rather than build a strong argument that counters it, you've failed - which is what I explained in my "What is History" video I mentioned and linked to in this video. My arguments are based on the superior evidence and interpretations. Many people who disagree with me assume I don't understand their arguments. No, I do understand their arguments 100%, I'm just siding with the superior evidence, interpretations and arguments.
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Link to the Glantz video you suggested for anyone out there that's curious https://youtu.be/5qkmO7tm8AU (I actually linked to it in the previous video as it's great)
Common myths in the literature (and especially in the comments of my previous YouTube videos, as well as other places like on forums online) often state the things I disputed in this video. For example, the drowning under Soviet hordes. To quote Max Hastings in Armageddon P129 "Yet, if the Red Army at last possessed hitting power and command skills as great as those of any combatant, its infantry and armoured assaults relied upon the sacrifice of lives rather than upon tactical ingenuity or even common prudence." - this is a blatent lie.
Again, by Max Hastings page 130 "T-34s would approach six, twelve abreast. The Germans would knock out four or five, but there were always more. 'You couldn't believe the way they kept coming - their infantry simply charging our tanks, running and shouting, even when the bodies were piled up in front of our positions. Sometimes our infantry seemed paralysed by the spectacle. One thought: "How can we eve stop such people?" ' Rolf-Helmut Schröder, a Wehrmacht officer who became a post-war Bundeswehr general, said: "The Russians were not good soldiers. But they had very good generals, and they had mass.' "
If that above quote doesn't make it seem that the Germans were good on the defense, I don't know what does. And this is typical of the literature. Hasting (amongst many others) gives the impression that the Soviets used weight of numbers alone to overcome the Heer. When you consider that German officers were also saying this, it's no wonder people have this impression. And he's not alone. I quoted from Manstein in the video, and I could go on. In the video I linked to at the end, Jonathan House discusses this issue, again I will link it here https://youtu.be/zinPbUZUHDE
You make the distinction about the tactical and operational vs the strategic level, and again conclude that the Germans were better on the tactical level. My point was to say - if the Germans were great at the tactical level, you'd think they'd still kill many more times their number. The reality is they didn't. Most of the "kills" and captures came in 1941, and to a lesser extent 1942. Overall rates for the whole war were a lot less, which suggests that the Soviets weren't so inferior on the tactical level. You'd think that 100,000 Germans who were meant to be superior on the tactical level, would be able to take out at least 100,000 Soviets, if not a lot more. Yet, by 1944-1945 they don't, even on the defense.
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So you want me to mention everything in great detail about the biggest war in history *in just 15 minutes*? Sorry, but that's not possible. My previous 10 minute video did attempt this and everyone complained I didn't give enough examples, which is why I made this one. And this video has had a knee-jerk reaction by people who can't bring themselves to watch a whole video before accusing me of not talking about stuff I actually talked about in the video they didn't watch.
The point of the video, as talked about at the beginning and in the title, was to show that the Wehrmacht wasn't as "superior" to the Red Army as the German generals and as a lot of people consider it to be. This video does prove this point, and most of the people arguing in this comment section saying it doesn't or that it's wrong either haven't watched the full video, or haven't any or sufficient provided sources to back up their claims (which means they haven't brought any evidence to refute it).
I do in fact mention most of what you said in the rest of the video. At around or just before 15 minutes in I start talking about how the Soviets didn't outnumber the Germans by much for the whole of the war. This is the point I also discuss the strategic and operational situation, but obviously you switched off at this point. 27:17 start talking about equipment (tanks and SPG's and rifles especially). 35:43 I ask the question - if the German Army wasn't superior, why did the Germans inflict so many losses on the Soviets in 1941? This part again talks about the tactical, operational and strategic advantages that the Germans had in 1941 as well as their "Blitzkrieg" (it's not called that) strategy. Within that last 10 minutes, I do mention force ratio for attackers and defenders as you asked.
And to your point about the Russians were fighting on the defense "obviously", you are incorrect, as I explain in the video. They are not supplied with significant quantities of Lend-Lease equipment until 1943. I do not mention this in the video, but am planning to make a video about it in the future.
"I saw a lot of numbers taken out of context which looked to me both wrong and sounded boring." - I suspect it's boring because it is you who do not understand the context, not me. They are not out of context. We're talking about the stratigic level of the WW2 Eastern Front between 1941 and 1945 and the battles therein, as I talked about during table 3.
Patience is a virtue. Please learn to be patient. Sources are in the description.
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+Gary Thomas "production staff"? What is "production staff"? ;) but no, this was 100% me. Not a single shred of practical help from anybody (although a lot of hindrance)
You're right that the lessons learnt in this Operation were vital for future airborne operations. I'm going to throw a spanner in the works and ask - "but have we drawn the right lessons from Market Garden?"
As you pointed out in your other comment, there has been a movie, books and countless articles etc on the battle, but they don't all reveal the true events of Market Garden (as you'll see later). Like I pointed out in this episode, few people know about the 56th Lowland Infantry Division's role in the battle (there's also a unit present in the next episode that may surprise you. I won't say what it is, so let's see if you can spot it).
Basically, there's just bits that seem to have been missed out by a good portion of those who write about the battle, which is why I wanted to make this documentary. Whilst I've not gone into a stupid amount of detail, I felt the need to include anything important I thought has been missed out, and also debunk a lot of the myths and misconceptions a lot of people have about the battle. I just hope I've conveyed that and get it right in the end :)
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The only way the current bubble is 'sustainable' is by lowering rates to zero (or negative), all inflating together, regulation of consumer prices (e.g. in the UK, Ofgem has just 'allowed' energy prices to go up by £100), and locking up the economy to kill the velocity of 'money' (actually FIAT currency). If rates weren't manipulated, or if people weren't forced to close their businesses, and if the trade restrictions going on that are currently leading to the starvation of 270 million people around the globe were lifted ( https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/12/1079742 ) then you would see the effects of inflation on everyday consumer prices. Instead, inflation is being moved into certain assets - tuition fees (education is in a bubble), house prices (simply unaffordable), second hand goods sales (guitars, pianos, second hand cars, even books), and the blatantly obvious one - the STOCK MARKET. One day though, the bubble will pop.
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"Not giving employees their labour's worth"
If you increase production, you increase living standards. If you increase the money supply, you don't do anything. That's it.
"B) The whole premise is wrong, why should there be a capitalist anyway, who has £100 while the others have £10?"
Why should we have doctors? Let's let the people do look after their health.
"Contrary to popular belief if workers self manage their smart enough to go "well we got a good life, any profit can be spent on innovation""
So what's the advantage of paying the workers more if they're just going to spend it the same way a capitalist does?
"Anyway that's as simple as I'm putting it, if you don't understand how every mouthful you eat is at the suffering of the 3rd world"
I ate an apple before, and that apple came from the UK. But I know tomatoes in Britain largely come from Spain. So sorry to all the Spaniards for providing jobs in your country. Coffee comes from South America - sorry to all the coffee farmers for keeping you in jobs too.
"the 3rd world is too backward technologically and not united enough to resist"
There's nothing stopping them from trading. Several countries have done this recently. See North Korea.
"but if you can't see that, despite indisputable facts I've mentioned here and the ones you can see in the real world, then you are lost..."
I see what you're saying, but I don't agree. The fact of the matter is, as shown in the video, providing jobs is not exploitation. Nobody is forcing you to go to work. Nobody is forcing you to work where you work. If you don't want to work, stop working. You have a choice to be unemployed and on the street.
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As this video released yesterday, I requested both the first and second videos of this series be monetized. The first was accepted for full-green monetization, and this one has been confirmed as limited-monetization. No idea why. If the first one is acceptable, then there's no reason that this one shouldn't be. But they give ZERO feedback so it's impossible to know their reasoning (assuming there's any reason at all, which I highly doubt there is).
Monetization of videos is nothing anyway. I wouldn't be able to work part-time on this if I relied solely on the monetization of videos - which is partly why I don't care too much about the monetization status of the videos. I haven't monetized most of my recent videos because they've been on topics which I know our Fascist-Corporate overlords would disapprove of (not just the economic ones, but the videos on prisoners of war, or any video where I show anything that snowflakes won't like - which is pretty much every video).
This is why I now either don't monetize videos, or if I do I wait until after all the views have come and gone before bothering to monetize. It doesn't hurt me as much as it hurts YouTube. So I think, if they've decided to make these stupid rules and pander to idiot advertisers and Fascist-Justice-Warrior activists, fine. Let it hurt them more than it hurts me. You reap what you sow.
Ultimately, it's my Patreons who make this happen. I rely upon them and their support. And they give me the flexibility to cover topics that others don't want me to even touch. Don't get me wrong, in an ideal world I would happily monetize all my videos since they don't break YouTube's terms of service (historical content is fine, apparently...) and use that money to buy more books or equipment, but this is clearly not an ideal world. If YouTube wants to lose money, fine by me, I'm happy to comply with them.
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[Part 1] It’s been a while since I hit the character limit in a YouTube comment response… So count yourself as lucky I spent so much time on this.
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"You also must not how you walk back on two previous arguments you've made, one that Marx did not create or invent socialism and so that he cannot solely define it, and two that hitler was not marxist, or did not agree with marx. When taken together, this means either this argument or your previous ones fall apart. Didn't quote think of that when writing up this copy-pasta, did you?"
1. Marx and Hitler both agreed on the point of anti-Semitism.
2. Hitler wasn't a Marxist. However, he was anti-Semitic, as was Karl Marx.
This argument of yours is completely irrelevant to the point I made, and doesn't cause my argument to "fall apart" at all. You wrote this purely because you don't have a relevant point, and you want to try and attack my character rather than address the points raised. BuT iT's nOt ReAL PoStMOdeRniSM!
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"Furthermore, you're arguing that anyone associated with "socialism" is a socialist. And that all socialists are anti-semetic. Therefore, hate to break it to you mate, but as a man who's admitted to using "socialist" medical services, living in a "socialist" country, and operating on a (gasp) marxist website, you would be an anti-semite."
Anyone who calls for Socialism is an anti-Semite, whether they realize it or not. Socialists say that Capitalism is bad. Well, according to the father of Socialism, Capitalism is Jewish. I wonder if all Socialists realize that they're anti-Semites? Probably not, which is why they need to be educated. And that's why I'm providing that education.
And yes, I would say that, since Marx was anti-Semitic, and that Marxism is inherently anti-Semitic, that Marxist websites are anti-Semitic. All you have to do is replace the words "bourgeoisie" and "capitalist" with "Jew" and you'll see the REAL nature of what Marxist Socialism preaches.
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"Hell, you literally said society itself was socialist, so everyone is anti-semetic?"
Society = State. The State is anti-Semitic. An individual may or may not be anti-Semitic, but the State/Society is. And why is the Society anti-Semitic? Well, a Society defends itself from anti-Society/anti-Socialist elements, which, according to Karl Marx himself - "We discern in Judaism… a universal antisocial element of the present time.” - Marx, On the Jewish Question. So Karl Marx is saying that the Jews are anti-Socialist. He's saying that Jews cannot be a part of a Socialist Society - the State.
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"If we say all socialism is anti-semetic, and all corporations, groupings, and societies are socialist... well you see where that's going."
Yep. Your point?
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"Hell, you seem to be anti corporation and don't want them around as they are (as per you not liking socialism, and calling corporations socialist.)"
As a Capitalist, I am anti-Corporate, yes, since Corporations are Socialist by nature.
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"Does that make you a socialist anti-semite, for hating the elites in positions of power and the vessels they achieved it through?"
No. The elites in positions of power are Socialist anti-Semites. They're anti-Money, they're anti-Jewish, and they're anti-Capitalist. But this is where you're going wrong. You still falsely think that Corporations are Capitalist. THEY'RE NOT. Corporations are not individuals (private), and are groups (corpse = body, as in group or people), and thus are societies (Socialism). Corporations (Socialists) are against the 'little man' (small private Capitalists), and that's because Capitalists are "inwardly circumcised Jews" (Karl Marx, Das Kapital, P107).
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"I don't know man, if we replace every time you say "socialist" with "jewish" it begins to make more sense... That was a bit of a jab at your reasoning, but it does make sense in a way."
Except, as a Capitalist, I believe in Mises and Rothbard, who were both Jewish. Again, there's a reason why the Marxists hate Mises and Rothbard.
And no, your 'jab' makes no sense at all. I don't even believe in 'races', since races don't exist https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2018/04/race-genetics-science-africa/
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"Similarly, I notice that despite you calling the most powerful corporations and countries in the world socialist, you apparently don't even believe it, as those are never the examples you give when saying socialism doesn't work."
They don't work. That's why we're in the greatest depression we've ever been in. The entire monetary system of printing socialist currency into existence in order to fund massive corporate-states is collapsing. That's why Gold and Silver are rising almost daily. In the UK, they're now at all time highs. Why? Because EVERY currency around the world is being devalued, making real money (gold and silver) more valuable.
Socialism has never worked, and this time is no exception.
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"You also have admitted, in capitalized letters, that you have no idea what socialism is, which i'm personally thankful for."
When did I admit that? You're clearly about to take something I've said out of context.
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"You start off with an easily disproven assertion: both of us are marxist."
Really? What version of anti-Semite-Socialism are you then?
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"you assume that Marx's impact on socialism was foundational, that he created it and that his views and his interpretations alone must be put into the open fully when understanding it"
No I didn't. You accused me of that, then have decided to conclude that this is true.
In reality, this was my argument in this video. You know, the video you still watched? If, as you just said here, that Marxism isn't the only version of Socialism, then I guess that opens the door for their being other versions of Socialism. You know, like National Socialism being a version of Socialism? Oh, but wait, that would undermine your entire 'argument' (I use the word 'argument' reluctantly, since it's more like trolling).
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"Are you really saying that to be against capitalism, or against the rich in positions of power, that you must be anti-jewish? I'm afraid that simply makes no sense, one can easily dislike the ruling power of corporations and billionaires."
Once again, you have made the false assertion. Corporations and billionaires are Socialists. They're NOT Capitalists. This is why the Socialist Corporations of the Third Reich worked with the State, as part of the State, to murder millions of Jews. This is why they stole money off the Jews - because they thought that Capitalists steal wealth off the workers, and so stealing that money back would be fair game in their eyes. This is exactly the same thing that the Socialists of today are calling for - the Revolution, and the theft of the Capitalists (the small private individuals and businesses).
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" Hell, now that i'm thinking about it, that brings up an interesting contradiction. You assert socialism is anti-semetic because marx in cases correlated jewish people with the capitalist upper classes. But... you also say the upper classes, and the corporations/society that enriches them is socialist. So, are the rich anti-semetic because they want to remove themselves, because they think they're jewish? What? Hey, and what about actual billionaires who happen to be jewish, are they anti-semetic socialists as well? Or Jewish socialists, even?"
1. I don't believe in what Karl Marx said. 2. it is contradictory because you've mixed two opposing views (mine as a capitalist, and Marx as an anti-Semite) together as one, and then found a contradiction. Well done. Of course there's going to be a contradiction. I'm not an anti-Semite, and I don't believe in Karl Marx or his teachings.
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"As I said, we've had our fun, throwing insults back and forth, participating in useless debate, me commenting under you only for you to give a non-response, I respond, we move on."
Incorrect. You've never once responded with anything other than complete and utter rubbish/trollish points that contradict each other. I've provided tons of evidence, and all you do is throw out assertions and insults. You make false accusations. You make contradictory statements. You don't address ANYTHING I've said in this video or any of the other ones, and the reason why is because you still haven't watched them, or listened to ANYTHING I've said. And now that I've called you out on your true nature (anti-Semitism), you're now beginning to make excuses and run away, rather than look yourself in the mirror and ask the question: am I wrong?
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"But now, devoid of all of that performative insults that I used as flavor text, devoid of the snippy language we threw back and forth as I pissed you off, and devoid of the mocking way i've addressed you before, just stop."
Oh right, so you openly admit that your language is crude, you've made a mockery of the right to free speech, that you've deliberately attempted to "piss me off" and openly mocked me? Good! I'm glad you're finally admitting that your behaviour has been absolutely disgraceful to say the least.
A discussion/argument is not meant to have insults, or "snippy language", and isn't meant to "piss off" the opponent, or "mock" them. A discussion/argument is meant to be a respectful a back and forth of ideas and counter-ideas, addressing the points raised in a mature manner, with the goal of seeking the truth. YOU and Chomsky here haven't done this. You've done nothing in these argument except argue poorly. And the reason why is because you were not once interested in discovering the truth. You just wanted to insult your opponents. Well, now that the tables have turned, and it's clear that morality is no longer on your side (because all socialism is anti-semitism), you're now backing out. You two should be ashamed by your own behaviour.
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"I said NOTHING about anything 'stolen'."
Socialism argues for the theft of property from the bourgeoisie (who Karl Marx identified as the Jews https://youtu.be/rZh01xRO_Qg ). You made it clear in your criticism - "Saint Bezos, patron saint of Capitalism, appears to be TIK's icon of innocence." - that you're against Capitalism. This means you're against the Jews, and for Socialism (which is inherently anti-Semitic). Whether you realize it or not, you're advocating for theft.
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"'Scroungers' is another one of your false arguments [an ad hominem attack]."
I never said you were a scrounger, but the fact that you've become insulted by this word proves that you're unemployed.
Meanwhile, it's perfectly okay for you to accuse me of being ignorant, worshiping an "icon of ignorance", falsely accusing me of creating "straw man arguments, weak analogies and unanswered objections/arguments from ignorance." I mean, how would you know? You admit yourself that you only watched 1.5 hours of the video - so by the timestamps in the video description, we can see that you didn't even get to the parts where I talked about the nationalization of the German economy, the so-called "crushing of the trade unions", the National Socialist Commissars, the attempt at collectivization of agriculture within the Reich, the abolition of private property... But yes, somehow it's me who's ignorant.
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"You also claim that your understanding of 'what money is' and 'how the system works' is the best [only?] interpretation."
Money is not the root of all evil, but I guarantee that you, as a Socialist, think it is.
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Yeah, I can see that you haven't actually read the book by Spengler, which is why you're relying on others to (incorrectly) tell you what's in the book. Here's some more:
“The English people is structured along lines of wealth and poverty, the Prussian along lines of command and obedience.” (Spengler, "Prussianism and Socialism," p39.)
“In England democracy means the possibility that everyone can get rich; in Prussia it means that the existing ranks are open to everyone. Within the structure of Prussian society the individual receives his place according to his ability, not according to the demands of tradition.” (Spengler, "Prussianism and Socialism," p40.)
“Here, finally, we can grasp the profound ethical meaning of the slogans ‘capitalism’ and ‘socialism’. They represent two systems of social stratification, one that is based on wealth and the uninhabited struggle for success, and one that is founded on authority and legislation. The Englishman would never accept commands from someone poorer than himself, nor would the Prussian ever pay homage to wealth for its own sake.” (Spengler, "Prussianism and Socialism," p40.)
“Proletarian class conflict is incapable of affecting such deeply rooted attitudes. The entire English labor movement is based on the distinction between rich and poor within the working class itself. Under such conditions it is impossible to imagine anything like the iron discipline of a Prussian-style party of millions.” (Spengler, "Prussianism and Socialism," p40.)
“Everything that Marx has to say with grudging admiration about “capitalistic society” refers principally to English, and not to a universal, economic instinct.” (Spengler, "Prussianism and Socialism," p44.)
“The sublime term “free trade” is part and parcel of Viking economics. The Prussian, i.e., socialist term would be “state control of the exchange of goods.” This assigns to trade a subordinate rather than a dominant role within the complex of economic activity. We can understand why Adam Smith harbored a hatred of the state and the “cunning beasts called statesmen.” Indeed, government officials must have the same effect on tradesmen as policemen on burglars and naval cruisers on the crews of private ships.” (Spengler, "Prussianism and Socialism," p44.)
“English-style capitalism is the only true counterpart to Marxist socialism. The regulation of economic affairs by the state, a Prussian idea, transformed German capitalism instinctively into a socialist economic pattern. The first step in this process was the protective tariff legislation of 1879. The large syndicates were, in effect, economic states within the state.” (Spengler, "Prussianism and Socialism," p44.)
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If you notice the dates, my 5 hour video came out after theirs. I saw their video in the run up to me releasing mine and knew that it didn't bring anything new to the table. They're just rehashing the same old Marxist narrative, which shouldn't be surprising because that's the mainstream narrative too. The fact remains that the evidence doesn't support their narrative, as anyone who watches my videos on the subject knows.
As several authors like Götz Aly show, the banks were no really longer independent from the Nazi dominated Reichsbank, much like our banks these days aren't independent from the central state banks. Karl Marx called for central banking in the Communist Manifesto (point 6) because Socialism/Communism isn't what it appears to be on the surface...
For Time Ghost, Hitler must be Capitalist, because real Socialism has never been tried. For me, Hitler synchronised the entire economy and society under the policy of Gleichschaltung, and proceeded to implement policies that the socialists also advocated for, such as nationalising all the trade unions into one giant trade union (the DAF) or the Anschluss of Austria. Every individual needs to decide which argument is more compelling.
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Hitler adopted the Swastika due to Guido von List's influence on the Thule Society and the DAP in turn. The SS adopted the runes that Guido von List picked out. One of Himmler's henchmen (Karl Wiligut) was reading List's works and was having visions like List had. So while Hitler reformed the DAP into the NSDAP, it wasn't in isolation. Himmler's völkisch version of National Socialism is very much influenced by Guido von List, and as I said, Guido von List is writing for the journal 'Gnosis'.
National Socialism was influenced by Christianity, but it's not a Christian heresy. Jesus is Jewish, and Hitler hated the Jews. Christianity originates in Judaism. Hence why the National Socialists had a war against the Church. So yes, I can certainly understand why you've come to the conclusion that it's a Christian heresy, but it's not.
The Cathars were a Gnostic-Christian heresy, and so it's correct to say it's a Christian heresy, but it's only a heresy because of the Gnosticism. Similarly, even if National Socialism was a Christian heresy, it would only be a Christian heresy because of the Gnosticism (or Hermeticism or whatever other influence was laid upon it). Therefore, for these reasons and more, I totally disagree with your argument. The best argument right now is that it was Gnostic or Hermetic or similar.
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According to Engels in Das Kapital volume 3 (Marx didn't write this volume), socialism is "socialized man" in "common control" of the means of production. That means, socialized man could be the social class (Marxism), or the social gender (e.g. Feminism), or the social nation (Fascism), or the social race (National Socialism). This is why Leftist politics is dominated by these divisions.
Hitler abolished private trade unions and replaced them with the state trade union. The state is the public sector. The public is the social side of society (since public is opposite to private). That means that abolishing private trade unions for a state trade union is an indication of nationalization, or common control of the means of production. That is socialism.
Hitler only killed the communists, and political opponents. He didn't kill the entire 3,000,000 strong SA, only the leadership of ~1,000 members. He didn't destroy the SS, or the workers battalions, or the nationalized railroads, or the fact that the industries were nationalized and controlled from within. They did invent the word "privatization", but when you look into it, what they actually did was sell the industries to the Nazi Party and then called it "privatization". But of course, the Nazi Party was the state, so this was actually nationalization.
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Your wasting your time Anna. Their belief outweighs the definition that socialism is the social (public, state) ownership of the means of production (business/economy). They're trying to twist it to say that the definition isn't that, because if they change the definition of what socialism is, their political religion can disassociate itself from all the horrible states that socialism has created. The Soviet Union, Pol Pot's regime, Venezuela, Nazi Germany, Mussolini's Italy, Mao's China, North Korea... The list goes on.
Of course, you and I know that the definition of socialism has always been state ownership of the economy and the abolishment of private property and the destruction of the individual (otherwise, why "nationalise" the industries, aka steal other people's property, for the benefit of one social group?), plus there's plenty of socialists who say it is that, but let them pretend that it's not.
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That video actually confirms it's not Marxism (which is not what I'm saying NS is - I'm saying it's socialism).
"Your major mistake is that you base your entire argument on the defintion of the terms "socialism" "capitalism" and "comunism" on the definition of liberatarians (i.e. an extremistic political group), who have the agenda to disqualify any kind of social and left-wing policy."
No, I base my definitions of what socialism and capitalism are on the actual definitions used both now and back in history.
Capitalism is the private (individual, non-state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). Nobody's disputing that.
Socialism is the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). If it is the social (worker's state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy), then it's Marxism (which is what you think 'socialism' is). If it is the social (German/Aryan people's state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy), then it is National Socialism.
But people dispute this. Why? Because they've been trying to dispute it since 1956 (the Hungarian Revolution began this process) and you can see it in the historiography. Let me give you some concrete evidence to support my definition of socialism -
Google’s definition of socialism - “a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.”
“any economic or political system based on government ownership and control of important businesses and methods of production” “an economic, political, and social system that is based on the belief that all people are equal and should share equally in a country's money:” https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/socialism
“1. any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods” “2. a system of society or group living in which there is no private property” “b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state” “: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done” https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism
“Socialism is a set of left-wing political principles whose general aim is to create a system in which everyone has an equal opportunity to benefit from a country's wealth. Under socialism, the country's main industries are usually owned by the state.” “1. an economic theory or system in which the means of production, distribution, and exchange are owned by the community collectively, usually through the state. It is characterized by production for use rather than profit, by equality of individual wealth, by the absence of competitive economic activity, and, usually, by government determination of investment, prices, and production levels” “2. any of various social or political theories or movements in which the common welfare is to be achieved through the establishment of a socialist economic system” “3. (in Leninist theory) a transitional stage after the proletarian revolution in the development of a society from capitalism to communism: characterized by the distribution of income according to work rather than need”https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/socialism
“1 A political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.” “The term ‘socialism’ has been used to describe positions as far apart as anarchism, Soviet state Communism, and social democracy; however, it necessarily implies an opposition to the untrammelled workings of the economic market. The socialist parties that have arisen in most European countries from the late 19th century have generally tended towards social democracy” https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/socialism
“An economic system in which goods and services are provided through a central system of cooperative and/or government ownership rather than through competition and a free market system.”http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/socialism.html
“Socialism started out being defined as “government ownership of the means of production,” which is why the government of the Soviet Union confiscated all businesses, factories, and farms, murdering millions of dissenters and resistors in the process. It is also why socialist political parties in Europe, once in power, nationalized as many of the major industries (steel, automobiles, coal mines, electricity, telephone services) as they could. The Labour Party in post-World War II Great Britain would be an example of this.” - Dilorenzo, T. “The Problem with Socialism.” Regnery Publishing, Kindle 2016.
“The great majority of those I have asked, all of them qualified to speak with authority, not only give a definition, but their definitions come remarkably close together.” - “Socialism is the public ownership and operation of all the means of production.” - “Socialism ... is the collective ownership, through the state, of all the means of production and distribution.” “Socialism… is a proposed reorganization of industrial society which would substitute for the private ownership of land and the instruments of production public ownership, and for the private direction and management of industry, direction and management through public officials.” - “...the common ownership and operation of substantially all productive instruments.” - “Socialism is the collective ownership and democratic management of the social means of production for the common good.” - “Socialism… is that contemplated system of society which proposes the abolition of private property in the great material instruments of production, and the substitution therefor of collective property; and advocates the collective management of production, together with the distribution of social income by society, and private property in the larger proportion of this social income.” - [And this just goes on and on like this, with numerous people from 1911 saying the exact same thing.] From “The American Economic Review, Vol. 1, No. 2, Papers and Discussions of theTwenty-third Annual Meeting (Apr., 1911), pp. 347-354”
The Labour Party 2017 manifesto’s motto is “For the Many: Not the Few”. https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/labour-manifesto-2017.pdf On Page 4 states - “Labour will invest in the cutting-edge jobs and industries of the future that can improve everybody’s lives. Which is why this manifesto outlines a fully costed programme to upgrade our economy.” “Labour will change the law so that banks can’t close a branch where there is a clear local need, putting their customers first.” - which will increase costs and lower competition, P16. “Reinstate the lower small-business corporation tax rate” - decreasing the chance of small businesses and start-ups, creating an economy, P18. “Widening ownership of our economy” - is the headline on Page 19, stating “Many basic goods and services have been taken out of democratic control through privatisation.” “Bring private rail companies back into public ownership…” “Reverse the privatisation of Royal Mail at the earliest opportunity.” “Public ownership will benefit consumers [by increasing costs and prices, lowering productivity, and increasing taxes for the consumer?], ensuring that their interests are put first and that there is democratic accountability for the service.” That sounds exactly like state control and ownership of the economy.
So, what we have here is a clear definition of socialism. Socialism is the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). This is opposite to capitalism, which is the private (individual, non-state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). Socialism involves the abolishment of private property, state ownership or control of the means of production, and leads to policies like Autarky, nationalisation, and collectivisation. But the principle element is state control of the means of production, which is where the term “public sector” comes into it.
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Let me give you a quick rundown on the political ideologies at the time (this is super-quick, but you'll get the idea). And yes, I've posted this elsewhere. First, in the 1800s, there's the old conservative attidue of Laissez-faire - or leave alone - is no government intervention. Then came lberalism, which was slight state intervention (small amounts of welfare, but we're talking very small amounts). Then liberalism got absolutely wiped out in the WW1-WW2 period in Europe. Its replacement was socialism (and the like), which advocated much more state intervention in the economy and society etc. This was in response to the economic, military, social and political catastrophy of the WW1-interwar period, plus the mass poverty across Europe at the time. State intervention (regardless of ideology) promised a way out of this. This is why the Labour Party in the 1940s was classed as socialist, and intervened in the economy post-WW2.
So yes, socialism is economically and socially on the left of the (disputable) political spectrum, as defined from the times.
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You have to prove that a historical event took place. There's no need to provide evidence to disprove something someone claims without evidence. If someone claims something without evidence, this is belief (an error in methodology) and can rightfully be dismissed as invalid.
It's true that history COULD have happened differently than we know due to sources not being available. However, we can only prove what we have evidence for. Thus, there's no point speculating what history "really" could have been, since there's no evidence for it being any different. History is, and can only ever be, conceptually concluded by logically validating our perceptions of the evidence.
Your point about historians knowing more than others isn't true, since they must publish their findings in order to eat. You consume the history they provide in a symbiotic fashion, and as such, we're incentivised to tell you what we know, just as you're eager to receive the knowledge. And historians love to call each other out if one is lying or something, so there's no reason to worry about that (unless the state gets involved and regulates what historians can say). This isn't a trust issue or faith issue, just like going to the shop and buying food isn't a trust or faith issue.
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"I wasn't saying your definition is wrong and that mine is right.... Where I disagree is your assumption that there is only one definition of these key terms and that everyone who uses a different one is wrong. That's not how language works,"
I agree, but that's not the issue here.
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"and I think we might lose a lot of nuanced meanings if we insist things like "people" ="state" = "socialism" however eloquently you argue your case."
I'm using the historic definition of the words, which the dictionary happens to agree with, and is how the authors of the ideology I don't support also used the words. I have shown and explained this in detail, and have backed this up with multiple sources which I have given. The response has been - "your definitions are wrong".
Oh, so Karl Marx didn't know what 'real' Socialism was either?
There's no rhyme or reason for why the definitions are wrong. All I'm getting is word-salads and people saying things like "modern socialists disagree". The problem is, of course, that these "modern socialists" also fail to provide the "new" definitions of the words. And if, IF, they do provide them, they quickly regret it because their definitions don't stand up to scrutiny. When they are discussed, it's quickly revealed that they're hiding the old meaning by using "new" definitions, oftentimes with other words ('Capitalism' is now often used to mean 'Socialism' for example). THIS is the problem.
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"The labor theory of value"
I've tackled this twice - in my Public vs Private video, and in my Hitler's Socialism video. I'm not going to go over it again here, but it's a load of rubbish. Value is subjective. And even if it wasn't, if the capitalism was stealing wealth from the workers, that doesn't mean the workers are justified in stealing wealth too.
"I do think ignoring the obvious fact that lots of wealth started out as conquest and slavery is."
And what about those who are trying to create their own wealth, but are constantly being robbed by socialists (social-elites) who force the workers to hand over their hard earned income over to 'Society' (the State)? Are workers not allowed to reject this clear example of theft, just as they are rejecting it under the Labour Theory of Value (if it was true)? Because if the Revolution is justified thanks to LTV, then clearly workers are also justified in rejecting taxation for the same reasons.
"People who enjoy inheriting all that stolen labor are of course going to claim that all that was hundreds of years ago and has nothing to do with the present all while, overtly or covertly knowngly or unknowingly affirming and worshipping dyanstic power such as the house of windsor alias hohenzollerin pick your royal mafia any royal mafia"
Stop living in the past. Start looking to the future. Wealth is created. You have the ability to create things, and thus create wealth. As someone who values freedom, I want freedom from the Windsor State. I want to actually be able to own a house, rather than rent it (even if I owed a house outright, I'd still have to pay tax on it or they'll seize the property, which proves I don't own it). I want to keep my income, rather than hand it over to the regime.
You need to convince me that a worker being forced to hand over his income to a regime is 'good' before I'll have any chance of "rejecting" the idea of freedom.
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"I have noticed perusing the comments that he is extremely bias."
Bias is a part of history https://youtu.be/PvpJEc-NxVc Everyone is biased.
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"I've been in a similar psychological place before."
I was a socialist. Then I realized the true nature of Socialism. It's not for the poor (which I once believed), it's for the rich. Most working-"class" Socialists are unwittingly empowering the rich. If you don't understand why, then you need to listen to what I'm saying.
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"Making a 5 hour video and nastily engaging with people, publicly who disagree by demeaning them in bad faith only to be wrong is a lot of shame to confront."
Really? In what way have I "nastily" engaged with people, or demeaned them? Did I call them -
"dumb"
"crazy"
"dellusional"
"an idiot"
"a loser"
"a pathetic liar"
"a nutter who doesn't know what he's talking about"
"a clown" and "a fucking clown" and a "balding clown"
"a libertarian joke who has said sub embarrassingly stupid things he only should be made fun of"
"an extremist"
"a libertarian extremist pushing a narrative"
someone who needs "actual medical help"
or that I "don't live in reality little Tiki"
"flat earthers"
"idiot troll(s)"
"obvious troll(s)"
and that I should "get tested"
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Oh wait, no because the person who said all that was jeff jr, who you're agreeing with.
I'm not the one calling people "idiots" or "clowns". I'm not the one who's failing to watch the videos, or failing to provide evidence. When I provide evidence it gets ignored or unwatched or dismissed. Then you wonder why I have little patience with people who refuse to open their eyes, and then accuse me of having my eyes shut. How can I have my eyes shut when I used to hold your position? THINK.
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"@jeff jr lol shame is a powerful thing. I wish him well. I appreciate your efforts to counter the narrative good sir."
He's not trying to counter the narrative. If he was, he would actually watch the video and try to have a conversation, rather than just going off on one, spamming thousands of comments, insulting everyone and preventing a proper dialogue from being established.
A couple of comments above he called me a "crazy extremist libertarian", yet you haven't once called him out for it. And the reason why is because you won't call out bad behaviour of the people you agreeing with, only those who don't agree with you.
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1. Watch the actual video.
2. Pay attention.
3. The historic definitions of Capitalism and Socialism are clear https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y (it is your definition that is flawed, as I explained in that video).
4. Karl Marx was an Anti-Semite https://youtu.be/rZh01xRO_Qg
5. I'm not saying that Nazism = Marxism. I'm saying there are varieties of Socialism, and that National Socialism was one of those varieties.
6. Both Hitler's Socialism and Stalin's Socialism were totalitarian, unless you're eager to distort history simply to defend your religion, then you may dismiss this fact as heresy.
7. Are you saying that what Hitler said in Mein Kampf (e.g. Lebensraum, his view on the Jews, or how Marxism is bad) is not a true reflection of his beliefs? Because what Hitler says in Mein Kampf is the same thing he says in his speeches, in his interactions with others, in his Table Talks, in his unpublished Second Book, and more. Dismissing them is to dismiss Hitler and render history to the dustbin. My "belief system" is history - evidence and interpretation - NOT an "AnCap narrative". I don't just dismiss evidence without reason like the Socialists do. I use it, even if I challenges my beliefs. You're incapable of doing that due to your ego-investment into your religion, which is why you're blind to what the evidence is telling you, and therefore you must dismiss it.
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@slaterslater5944 "You mean where they BANNED trade unions and created an organisation (DAF) that protected capital?
Why are you so dishonest?"
To be socialist, you need to socialize society. As Lenin made clear, you can't have private trade unions knocking about, because if the State is pro-worker, and the private trade unions are pro-worker but also fighting against the State for better rights, then this undermines the idea of the State being pro-worker. So under Socialism the trade unions must be nationalized/socialized, and the private trade unions that refuse to nationalize must be banned and destroyed. But according to you, when Lenin does it, that's 'real' socialism, and when Hitler does it, that's not 'real' Socialism. Why are you so dishonest?
Also, I explained this very clearly in the video in the section: ‘Crushing’ the Trade Unions 02:44:33
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"didn't get through the 5 hours of it but I saw an issue early on and that is the conflation of an economic system and a political one."
Thank you for your criticism, although I would encourage you to watch further. Economics and politics are entwined.
"also to add to this point a reason that a Socialist would disagree that a totalitarian regime is not socialist even if the state controlled the means of production is because the public have no control over the state."
Yes, but the reason why they would/are disagreeing is because they don't understand that a slight of hand has been played with the words. The individuals in society have no control over the state, true, but the 'public' does. The 'public' is the State, not the people in the State.
"Thus only a democratic type political system coupled with state owned production would actually be considered a true socialist system in a large centralized model."
Democracy = people power. However, by 'people', they don't mean the individuals in society. 'People' is plural. By 'people' they mean 'public', which is the State. Democracy is people 'State' power. Note that Hitler also wanted a 'People's State', and wrote about that in Mein Kampf. Well, a 'People's State' is democracy. This is why North Korea and many other socialist countries call themselves democratic, because democracy is 'public' (State) power.
Again, this is why the Founding Fathers of America created a 'republic' rather than a 'democracy'. They knew that democracy was bad. (...the Republic for which it stands..."
"Socialism is defined classically, the means of production owned by the public. However, it doesn't define what that public institution is. Democracy, republic, Totalitarian Dictatorship. It just so happens the Stalinist model that spread across the world happens to be of the totalitarian variety. Which isn't ideal with any type of economic system."
As I said, watch the Public vs Private video. Public means the 'hierarchy of society' which is a State. Doesn't mean the 'Central State' necessarily, and could mean 'a state within a state' (e.g. a corporation or trade union), but it is a State. Here's the link https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
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"You mean the marxist AND the social-democrats (you said it earlier)."
Where did the KPD come from? Oh, that's right, the SPD. Gee, it's almost like they've all just got different interpretations of Marxism, which is why when I say "Marxist" I include all of the different varieties of Marxism, like the SPD, the Democrat Party, and the Labour Party.
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"it advocates for peace and equality between nations and individuals"
The murder and theft of the bourgeoisie, the systematic destruction of the family, and the annihilation of all non-Marxist religions and nations during the "Revolution" is "peace and equality" is it? You're not equal to me. If you're not equal to me, then there's no way there can be equality. And why would we want equality anyway? The religious idea of the "blank slate" is utopian BS, it does not exist.
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"the Left believes in attempting to eradicate social inequality (which exclude racist thinking)"
No you don't! They believe in segregation and "white man bad". They despise equality and are the primary source of racism in this world. Look at their actions, not at what they say. They're advocating for "justice" whilst dressed in black-shirts and smashing up ethnic minority communities. Marxist Critical Race(ist) Theory is just that - divide and conquer. The Left IS inter-(National) Socialism. This is what you're not getting.
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"while the Right regards most social inequality as the result of ineradicable natural inequalities"
There are no groups, only individuals. Follow the science, "race" does not exist https://www.nationalgeographic.co.uk/people-and-culture/2018/04/theres-no-scientific-basis-for-race-its-a-made-up-label
The Left believe in "race" because the Left are racists. When you realise this, you'll wake up.
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"and sees attempts to enforce social equality as utopian or authoritarian."
Because it is. The Nazis aren't 'Right-wing' though. The National Socialists are Left-wing, which is why they both believe in authoritarianism and their Thousand Year Reich utopia.
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"As you say, Nazism rejected the concept of the universal equality of human beings which per definition a Left idea and a socialist idea."
Because Hitler thought it was Jewish. He tried to square a circle. In the "National Socialism’s Fundamental Ideological Flaw" section of my 5 hour Hitler's Socialism video (timestamp 01:24:54 and link https://youtu.be/eCkyWBPaTC8 ) I explained WHY this was the case. Hitler was a Socialist, but also had racism on the side. Hitler was well aware of this contradiction in his ideology but decided to run with it anyway. However, holding two contradictory ideas is typical for a Dialectical Hegelian like Hitler. Marx did this all the time. E.g. Capital is "money in circulation" and yet capitalists are accused of "hoarding all the money". Well, are they hoarding it or circulating it? And in fact, Marx trips over this in Das Kapital just before he accuses the capitalists of breeding "inwardly circumcised Js" (Das Kapital p107)
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"Only those who qualified as Aryans were allowed full legal rights, including equality before the law."
But I thought you just said he didn't believe in equality? Looks like he did.
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"As you say, nazism is egalitarian for the people its considers at the top of hierarchy of inequalities."
Correct.
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"The nazi egalatarianism presuposes inequalirian thinking."
What? Like murdering and killing the bourgeoisie?
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"It can therefore not be equalitarian, not leftist and not socialist."
Of course it is! That's the whole point of socialism! There's no equality in socialism. It's a LIE. Socialism is a war in the name of the poor, against the poor and the middle class, for the benefit of a new rich and powerful. The only equality in socialism is in the rhetoric. Once the Revolution is done, the 'equal' are enslaved or wiped out.
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"you must at least admit that is is right wing socialism (which is an oxymoron) and not left."
No, it's Left-wing. Here is the political spectrum you see https://images.app.goo.gl/dW59WPbtLEdb8PWo6
And here is the political spectrum I see https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/a6oM03e_700b.jpg
Alternatively https://images.app.goo.gl/Df1z8z5EG6GnS6Aw7
Or this https://images.app.goo.gl/neu52ztgLA8rXCoU7
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"your inventing new concepts."
1. I am allowed to invent new concepts. 2. Technically I didn't invent it, I just named it. 3. the "National" in National Socialism is RACE. So all I did was clarify what National Socialism was.
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"The outcome is the same. You playing with words. Didnt you advice to look at evidence, not at opinion?"
Mussolini's mistress Margarita Sarfatti was Jewish. There were 10,000 Jews in the Fascist Party of Italy (a third of the adult Jews in Italy) - source, Farrell, “Mussolini: A New Life,” Chapter 11. Clearly, the outcome wasn't the same, and I'm not just giving "an opinion". To quote another historian:
“Fascist “racism” throughout the period between 1922 and 1938, however distinctive, was essentially benign - and shared little, if any substance, with the malevolent racism so prevalent across the Alps. None of the major Fascist intellectuals were racists of the sort one found in National Socialist environs. In fact, since many, if not most, of the principal ideologues of Fascism were Actualists, they had principled objections to attributing human behavior to material - that is, biological - causes. They simply could not accept the proposition that an entire population, characterized by ill-defined “racial” traits, could be held, as a body, guilty of anything.” - Gregor, “Mussolini’s Intellectuals,” p193-194.
“The form of anti-Semitism adopted by Fascist Italy, as a consequence, was singularly different from that of National Socialist Germany. However indecent, it shared few of the genocidal traits that have horrified the civilized world. Italian Jews suffered innumerable indignities and material losses, but there is scant, if any, evidence that between 1938 and 1943, any Jews died at the hands of Fascists simply for having been Jewish.” - Gregor, “Mussolini’s Intellectuals,” p217.
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"Based on your argument here, the answer would be to dissolve ip protections and let anyone who can produce anything they want. That's a common idea but is it not a communist one, where individual rights(in this case the individuals right to profit off of their own ideas) are forfeit for the greater good?"
I think we're getting our wires crossed. Patents are a problem because the 'public' sector is protecting bad industries. The answer, as you rightly point out, is to abolish the public sector's patent regulation and allow the free market to function properly. The answer to a public sector problem is not more public sector control, it is less public sector control.
The idea of abolishing patents is a capitalist idea. It's not a communist idea because communists want more public sector control over the economy.
"Interesting thought but to the point, where does the dismantling of idea protections stop? For example, without ip protections someone more charismatic could take all your work on these videos and publish it as their own for profit, would you not have a problem with that?"
It's a free country. If someone can be bothered doing that, fine. But I'll certainly be sure to call them out if they do that :)
"The only alternatives I can see are let people continue getting squeezed as is happening or add MORE regulations so companies can't skyrocket prices for profit up to having a nationalizing of the industry so it's no longer for-profit. Did I miss any other possibilities?"
As I said, the solution is to abolish public-sector regulations and free-up the market.
Also, if companies increase prices, then there will be less sales. Less sales means losses, not profits.
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"But believe in capitalist statistics where each and every company has huge incentives to tweak and forge the accounting systems either to lower profits to evade taxes or inflate profits to attract investments and increase market capitalization (depending on goals)...."
Incorrect. I don't trust government or corporate statistics at all, and neither should you. Such statistics are manipulated, because again you cannot calculate statistics if there are no free market prices. In the UK, for example, we have government price controls on food, toilet rolls and other retail items which is why there's shortages in the shops right now. In a free market, prices would go up to match the increased demand. The fact that this isn't allowed to happen, is proof that we don't have a free market. Well, without a free market, you cannot have economic calculation. That's why we're currently in a stock market crash, because the markets have been so manipulated that they're currently trying to find their actual value. [a market correction is a return to "fair value"]
Also, see my Public vs Private video for why corporations are Socialist, not Capitalist https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
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"Indeed, it has become more evident to me that I am wasting my time since, I assume that you already have it deep rooted in your mind that certain people just have to live in a comfortable middle calls life and the first world lifestyle that brings with it, while others have to go to back-breaking work in poor working conditions miserable living standards from childhood to old age (if they even get that far anyway) and then death."
Nope, not in the slightest. This is a false view of what I believe, and what many on the right believe. Capitalism actually frees man from the shackles of state-slavery and allows him to climb out of poverty. A poor worker (with the right attitude and will-power) can achieve greatness. But those that do not strive for greatness will remain where they are - and that's fine too. Let the best rise to the top in a meritocracy.
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"Yes. It seems perfectly reasonable to me to assume that you believe the rest of the 4 billion people, have to work in sweatshops in order for you to have your smart phone..."
This entire paragraph is a joke. I want to pay the workers as much as I possibly can get away with. Obviously I could pay them more if the State wasn't taxing me to death, or stealing their wages via tax and inflation before they even received them, but I have no control over that. I want happy employees who are good at their job, and who strive for excellence. Their landlords should be able to provide them with decent accommodation, which they're not able to do because of taxation, regulation, inflation and outright destruction of private property rights. All this leaves the workers blaming the "greedy" landlords for their run-down flats, when the State stole the wealth from the landlords in the first place, impoverishing them and causing the situation to deteriorate. Capitalism gets blamed for the failure of Socialism.
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"Just look at the conviction of this leftist:"
Conviction, yes. Understanding of basic economics, no.
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"Have you heard of Lenin"
You obviously haven't watched my channel. Lenin murdered Jews and shot farmers trying to deliver food to the starving cities as the peasants fled into the woods to get away from Lenin's bandits. See the "Public vs Private" video for an explanation and sources https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
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"I must confess, I only asked you to debunk Lenin because you can't, no one can, it is basically impossible.."
Hahahahahaha... oh boy. Let's give a quote from Lenin himself in 1918 on what to do with the starving peasants who refused to relinquish their grain.
"1. Hang (hang without fail, so the people see) no fewer than one hundred known kulaks, rich men, bloodsuckers
2. Publish their names.
3. Take from them all the grain.
4. Designate hostages…
" - Lenin, 11th of August 1918, from Gellately, “Lenin, Stalin and Hitler,” P53.
Definitely sounds like he wanted to help the poor, right? The peasants were condemned to starve in the name of the workers. If they resisted, they would be murdered. Another quote:
“Some were shot, others drowned, some frozen or buried alive, and still others were hacked to death by swords.” - Gellately, “Lenin, Stalin and Hitler,” P65.
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"I would provide you with a link http://digamo.free.fr/23things.pdf (hopefully it works)."
I'm honestly reluctant to click on such a dodgy link. I'm going to pass.
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"But if it makes you happier, (ignorance is bliss) I will help you with your libertarian journeys even though I am not a libertarian. You could read some of Thomas Sewell and Ayn Rand."
I've never read Ayn Rand, and it's "Thomas Sowell", not "Sewell". "Sewell" is a Leftist author who's spouting nonsense about Weimar Germany, which I've started to debunk in the Weimar Hyperinflation video series.
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"What else is there to talk about if man is to survive in the mess that capitalism has made of our society with its wars, its pollution of the air, the sea and the land and its degradation of our moral, social and economic health?"
We don't have capitalism. See the "Public vs Private" video, and the first video of the Weimar Hyperinflation series and you'll know exactly why we don't have capitalism. Here's the link to the Weimar video https://youtu.be/YygQ0Wq0wDA
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"Capitalism enslaves the 90% who aren't capitalists."
No, Socialism does that, not capitalism. You have no idea what capitalism is if you think the current system is capitalist.
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Overall, your comments largely repeat the same Leftist emotionalism that I used to believe in. Unfortunately, I no longer believe the propaganda. I see Socialism for what it really is, not what it promises. It is the snake in the tree - offering you the original sin. Too many people fall for the snake, without realizing the consequences. I too believed the snakes, and once you see them for what they are, there's no going back.
Ultimately, you haven't explained how I get through to a Leftist. How do I make them understand that they're believing nothing but lies. The promise of Socialism is just smoke and mirrors for the establishment of a totalitarian dictatorship. Once you see it, you cannot unsee it. But I can't get Leftists to open their eyes.
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"But what surprises me is that you say that Mikhail Bakunin is a socialist, even though he is actually an anarchist, and as a former anarchist you should have known this."
No, he was a "collectivist anarchist". He actually created that breed of socialism. You're denying the collectivism inherent within his "anarchism", probably because you don't want to acknowledge it. But as I explained in the Public vs Private video, socialism (or collectivism) is the opposite of anarchism. Bakunin is a walking oxymoron, just as I was when I was a Socialist/Anarchist.
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"As an anarchist, Mikhail Bakunin wanted a society without Rulers."
But he wanted a society, so he was a socialist. This contradicts what you said earlier about him not being a socialist, since the only way for him to achieve his aims would be for him to impose a "federalist" dictatorship on the people. That would, obviously, require a dictatorship (either democratic dictatorship or totalitarian dictatorship). In fact, Bakunin called for a federalist system, much like every other anarchist-syndicalist does. I've even watched anarcho-syndicalist YouTube videos where they declare that after the Revolution they would form a Federal Soviet world which they claim would be "non-State". Sorry, but a federal Soviet state is clearly not "non-State".
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"Also, it is actually imperialism that is the last stage of capitalism, not fascism or Nazism. Fascism comes about when the capitalism is in crisis."
Right, but you're forgetting that many Socialists have painted Nazism and Fascism as Capitalist Imperialism. The excuse that the Left made for why Hitler went East into the Soviet Union was because Capitalism needed to expand via imperialism (this is related to the shrinking markets concept I've talked about). So, in the Marxist literature, they have tied the concepts of capitalism, fascism/nazism, and imperialism together. So I wasn't wrong. Perhaps I was imprecise in my language, but I knew what I was talking about.
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"Fascism exists to retain capitalism and the capitalist mode of production and the continued exploitation of man by man."
Exactly. You've just tied the three concepts together as well, proving my point.
By the way, all I'm doing here is pointing out the inherent contradictions in your own narrative. As a Lefty, I couldn't see them. But I can now.
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"The left are against them because of what happens under a fascist state when it does come: where social mobility itself is stopped and works to destroy a chance to ask for better working conditions or higher wages through trade unions, it is there to ultimately keep you in place."
Except, that's not what happened under Fascism. Fascism is trade unionism. The Italians called their trade unions "fasci", as I explained in the Fascism Defined video. So not only is the Leftist narrative wrong, it's also in direct contradiction to the history.
So again, you're pointing out things that I've already addressed, assuming that I haven't thought about this stuff, or didn't know it, when in reality I have.
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"Which is the main function of fascism, to which Nazism is a part of."
No, Fascism and National Socialism are two inherently different ideologies. I've been over this. Here's the "Fascism Defined" video link. Watch it, and learn https://youtu.be/qdY_IMZH2Ko
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"The fact that they are racist is just a means to rile up the reactionary elements of society to get them to be the useful idiots and foot soldiers to make such an event happen."
That's precisely what the Left do with Socialists. They're doing it now, in fact. Again, National Socialism and Fascism are Leftist ideologies, and the Left are employing the exact same tactics right now, all in the name of the corporations (e.g. Big Pharma).
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Now, let's tie all this together. Towards the beginning, you said this:
"In addition, I also wondered how you could be so close, yet so far. Some are your videos are almost spot on, if only you made that leap then you would have found the truth, but you don't seem to do that."
See, this is a laugh. You've tried to argue against me, but in reality, you've undermined your own arguments and also not been accurate in your descriptions. You've accused me of being ignorant on this topic, and say that if only I would have gone a little further, I would have found "the Truth". In your head, the Leftist world-view is "the Truth".
In reality, it is you who doesn't know the truth. If you're ready to take the Red Pill, start by watching my "Public vs Private" video, then follow that up with the "Karl Marx's Anti-Semitism" video, then the "What Causes Recessions and Depressions" video, then the "Fascism Defined" video, then the "Hitler's Socialism" video, and I would recommend that you watch the more recent Weimar Hyperinflation series too, because that will show you why the Leftist narrative is completely false. By Karl Marx's own definition, we do not have Capitalism (as I explained in episode 1 of the Weimar Hyperinflation series).
If you're willing to learn, then you will. If you're going to stubbornly hold onto the Leftist world-view, then I can't educate you.
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As far as I'm aware, it's not pink panzer colour schemes - it's pink on their uniforms, like the stripes and what not. If you Google image search panzer uniforms, you'll find some with pink on them.
And I don't have a PhD in history. I do have a BA hons degree in history, however at the time of graduation I didn't see the need to progress further down the formal education route. For me, there's never been a need to use my degree in the real world, let alone a PhD, so I do feel that even my degree was a bit pointless tbh. And I actually learnt a lot more about history in college than I did at university - and they wouldn't even let me do a dissertation! That's actually one of the reasons that prompted me to do my Market Garden video because I felt cheated out of doing a 10,000 word dissertation. In the end, Battlestorm Market Garden was over 20,000 so I think I've earned my stripes :)
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Damo, the problem is that this isn't "alternative thought". Denialists are an extremist group founded on racism, bent on attacking the jews. I will copy what I posted elsewhere which explains this in full -
The reason there is a law in certain countries that forbids people from DENYING the Holocaust exists is because it is a message to everyone that society is taking this event very seriously. These conspiracy theorists think that the government is trying to hide something. But it's actually the opposite - they're saying there is a mountain of evidence that supports this event, so we support it too. And they have to do this because there's a bunch of racists in the world, who are trying to deny it happened because if they can deny it happened, then fascism or National Socialism would no longer be stigmatized, and would be a viable alternative to democracy.
Yep. They are an internal threat to western civilisation. They are a threat to our freedom and, much like extremists from other cultures the western world is threatened by today, it is our duty to fight back against them. Brave men fought for our freedom eighty years ago, and continue to do so today. Yet these men are trying to undermine their efforts now. Why? Because they are extremists who do not value the same values we do.
What people like the denialists are trying to do is cast doubt on one or two pieces of evidence about the Holocaust. They think that if they can deceive enough people by spreading lies, their false-truth will come out and they will change the world - and fascism will rise again. It is a cause. A cult. And just like most cults, it is based on 'belief' rather than hard evidence. They believe in enemies - the Jews, or the government, or the grand conspiracy. They believe in their gang - fellow racists, neo-nazis, anti-semites. They are a cult.
And what this cult fails to realise is that there is a mountain of evidence for the Holocaust. It would be like saying "the Roman Empire didn't exist" and then going "nope, it wasn't there, it's a conspiracy by the EU to keep Europe united". "But, but, they didn't wear togas, and they didn't speak latin. Look I've manipulated some evidence about aqueducts that proves they couldn't have worked. The Romans didn't exist". No... there's a mountain of evidence that says the Romans existed, just like there's a mountain of evidence that says the Holocaust happened. But what they're doing is picking at it in such a way that it casts doubt upon the full event. But even if someone proved that aqueducts didn't work, that wouldn't change the mountain of evidence that said the Romans existed. So, their logic is fundamentally flawed.
The laws are there to show how serious society takes this event, and is a reminder to everyone that pure racism isn't accepted in our society. These laws do not prevent you discussing the details of the Holocaust. You can discuss the numbers or the events, so long as you do so in a reasonable way, backed up with evidence that hasn't been manipulated, and do so for an academic purpose. This is the good-side of revisionism. But the bad-revisionists - those distorting history, are not doing any of this. In fact, I’ve now started calling them distorians, to distinguish them from good-revisionists. These distorians present flawed logic and use distortion, manipulation and other tactics to undermine the event. They go so far as to call themselves "Revisionists" in order to cast doubt on the good-revisionism being done in academic fields. And they wonder why they get shunned by anyone who doesn't "believe" in their racist views.
Unfortunately, those same laws that protect the Holocaust in certain countries also help the deniers claim there's some big conspiracy going on, and thus help their cause. They also claim it's a law that goes against freedom of speech. No it isn't. You can talk about it all you want, but that doesn't mean we have to listen, or that we have to publish your views on your behalf. YouTube has the right to take your videos down if you deny the Holocaust because freedom of speech does not mean companies have to allow those views to air. Same with me. Any extremist comments or hate-speech or links to neo-nazi websites will be deleted. Don’t like it? Tough. I’m not giving you a place where you can spread your lies and deceit, because I have the right to do that.
And as I said, these people think if they can cast doubt on things like this, and recruit enough people to their cause, they will change things. However, their logic is fundamentally flawed. 80% of people are for the death penalty, therefore, the death penalty is moral. ... yeah, that's not going to work.
This is why you should do what normal historians do. Ask - "But is this really the case?" Then go out there and do some reading. Educate yourself. If you've read one or two of their comments and are having doubts, buy the book "Denying History: Who Says the Holocaust Never Happened and Why Do They Say It?" http://amzn.eu/bhDY6TE or https://play.google.com/store/books/details?id=uACijKy-cbgC This book explains who the Holocaust deniers are - including David Irving - what they're trying to do, why they're trying to do it, how they're trying to do it, and why they shouldn't be trusted. And, of course, there are plenty of books on the actual Holocaust itself which will hand you a mountain of evidence that supports the existence of the Holocaust.
I will leave you with a quote from Eisenhower, from his memoirs "Crusade in Europe" Kindle edition, 2007.
"The same day I saw my first horror camp. It was near the town of Gotha. I have never felt able to describe my emotional reactions when I first came face to face with indisputable evidence of Nazi brutality and ruthless disregard of every shred of decency. Up to that time I had known about it only generally or through secondary sources. I am certain, however, that I have never at any time experienced an equal sense of shock.
"I visited every nook and cranny of the camp because I felt it my duty to be in a position from then on to testify at first hand about these things in case there ever grew up at home the belief or assumption that "the Stories of Nazi brutality were just propaganda." Some members of the visiting party were unable to go through the ordeal. I not only did so but as soon as I returned to Patton's headquarters that evening I sent communications to both Washington and London, urging the two governments to sent instantly to Germany a random group of newspaper editors and representative groups from the national legislatures. I felt that the evidence should be immediately placed before the American and British publics in a fashion that would leave no room for critical doubt." - Eisenhower.
Yes, it seems even as early as 1945, Eisenhower predicted there would be elements in society who would dismiss these events. Well, unfortunately, he was right.
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I accept your opinions Panzer Freak, but I'm not going back to my old Anarcho-Socialist ways. I've taken the Red-Pill and I now see the world for how it really is. The lies that are inherent within the history books on the Third Reich (largely written by Guardian activists like Adam Tooze) need to be called out, especially since the evidence doesn't support their narratives, and they mislead readers to the wrong conclusions about history.
And technically, according to Wikipedia, I'm not a libertarian. To quote it:
"Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and political freedom, and minimize the state's encroachment on and violations of individual liberties; emphasizing the rule of law, pluralism, cosmopolitanism, cooperation, civil and political rights, bodily autonomy, free association, free trade, freedom of expression, freedom of choice, freedom of movement, individualism and voluntary association."
Yeah, except I don't agree with "the rule of law, pluralism, cosmopolitanism [and] civil and political rights". They're all statist policies designed to trick you into submitting to the rule of others. I know Wikipedia can't even get the start date for the Battle of Stalingrad correct, so it's not a great source, but I honestly have no idea if I am a libertarian or not. I just know that Socialism doesn't work, and that the free market and private ownership does, since the evidence for that conclusion is overwhelming. I'm following the evidence rather than The Faith.
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@randomuser-xc2wr Churchill was a dictator. Behind the scenes, he was on the same eugenicist team as Hitler and Stalin, which is why Churchill implemented the UK's eugenicist act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_Deficiency_Act_1913
And I've called Churchill an idiot in the past https://youtu.be/z2c7d5RfkAA
However, Churchill technically did have opposition. He had to defend his position twice in 1942 from votes of no confidence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_motions_in_the_United_Kingdom
Yet, despite the obvious fact that I'm not a Churchill fan, you have this ridiculous notion that I'm defending him, or that I'm an "Englishman", whatever that means. I'm against the UK Establishment in all of its Playdoh-philic glory, Parliament is a scam, and taxation should be £0 for everyone. So don't throw this nonsense at me, especially on videos that aren't related to the subject.
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"I actually have read both these books."
Well, it seems clear to me that you either haven't read Das Kapital or On the Jewish Question, or if you have you obviously didn't understand them, because the quotes I provided from those two book contradict your own statements. This is a clear indication that I was correct - Socialists either have not read Marx, or do not understand him.
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"First of all, as noted by Avi Schlomo, Marx called for the emancipation of Jews in the JQ book."
I'm not interested in the opinion of someone else. I'm only interested in what Marx wrote - and Marx didn't call for the emancipation of the Jews, but the emancipation of the world from the Jews as shown by this next quote by Karl Marx in 'On the Jewish Question': “The social emancipation of the Jew is the emancipation of society from Judaism.”
So yes, Karl Marx's "emancipation of the Jews" was the removal of the Jews and the Jewish faith from society. Therefore, you and Avi Schlomo have deliberately distorted the historical record by claiming otherwise.
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"Worth noting that Marx’s Jewish family was de-emancipated after Napoleon was defeated in 1815, his father being forced to convert in order to keep his job. Yet you somehow claimed that his father was antisemitic, even though he has sent several pleas to the monarch asking for an exemption from the ban. Despicable. "
The sources I have suggest otherwise. In the book "The Devil and Karl Marx", Kengor says that Marx's father left Judaism because of "social pressures", and chose to convert to Protestantism rather than Catholicism, saying he had a choice, since most Jews usually chose Catholicism over Protestantism (page 59). This was why Karl Marx ended up being anti-Catholic (page 60-63).
The main point though is that Karl Marx himself was Anti-Semitic, and that's what's important here. And yes, IF this account you provided was true - if Marx's father was forced to become a 'conversos' or 'converted one' (Evans, “A Convenient Hatred: The History of Antisemitism,” p105), then that indeed is despicable. However, Karl Marx was seemingly happy that this had happened, which is why he continued to call for further emancipations of the Jews from society.
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"As for your claim about Das Capital, are you arguing that Marx said all commodities were “uncircumcised Jews”? Something that does not even make sense."
I'm not 'claiming' anything. All I've done here is point out what Karl Marx said. You clearly have no answer to it though, which is why you're saying it makes no sense. But it does make sense when you accept the fact that Karl Marx was an Anti-Semite. If you refuse to accept this, then what Marx wrote in Das Kapital makes no sense: "The capitalist knows that all commodities, however scurvy they may look, or however badly they may smell, are in faith and in truth money, inwardly circumcised Jews, and what is more, a wonderful means whereby out of money to make more money." - Karl Marx, Das Kapital, page 107.
Can you explain this quote in any other way? Why is Karl Marx saying that commodities are money (the "jealous god of Israel" - Marx, 'On the Jewish Question')? And why is Karl Marx saying that commodities/money are "inwardly circumcised Jews"? Please explain this quote.
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"To quote Capital Vol III-"
First, Das Kapital volume 3 wasn't written by Karl Marx, it was written by Engels.
Secondly, Marx wasn't just an Anti-Semite, but was also Anti-Christian. I never said he wasn't anti-Christian, so the rest of your point on Das Kapital vol 3 is irrelevant.
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“The cult of money has its asceticism, its self-denial, its self-sacrifice – economy and frugality, contempt for mundane, temporal and fleeting pleasures; the chase after the eternal treasure. Hence the connection between English Puritanism, or also Dutch Protestantism, and money-making.”
Right, so Marx was saying that there's a connection between Christianity and Judaism (since he had previously said that "Money was the jealous God of Israel"). And it's true that Christianity grew out of Judaism (Evans, “A Convenient Hatred,” p23.) so what Karl Marx is saying here doesn't undo what he said previously. Karl Marx clearly hated both Judaism and Christianity, which was why he also despised Capitalism (which he believed was Judaism and Christianity).
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"As for the definition of capitalist, in the communist manifesto, the word Bourgeoise is defined by Engels as “By bourgeoisie is meant the class of modern capitalists, owners of the means of social production and employers of wage labour.”"
Yes, the 'class of modern capitalists' (which is defined by Marx as those who possess and accumulate money - the "jealous god of Israel"), who then use that money to own the means of production and employ wage labour. BUT the point is that they were only able to own the means of production and employ wage labour by being Capitalists FIRST - they had to accumulate money and possess it first before they could do those other things. Therefore, Marx defined the Capitalist as he who possessed and accumulated money (the "jealous god of Israel"), and then Engels confirmed this, then took it to the next level by saying the Capitalists used their capital to possess the means of production and employ wage labour.
It is therefore wrong to say that the Marxist definition of Capitalism is 'the ownership of the means of production and the employment of wage labour'. It is, by Marx's and Engel's own words, correct to say that the Marxist definition of Capitalism is 'the possession and accumulation of money' (exactly as Marx defined it in Das Kapital). So, as I said, you're using the incorrect definition of Capitalism because Karl Marx defined it differently.
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"Marx was certainly a flawed man who made racist comments, so I do not regard him as a “prophet” as you claim."
You are a Marxist. It is in your username here - "DemocraticMarxist01". You regard Marxism as your religion, which is why you despise those who "possess" and "accumulate" capital/money ("the jealous god of Israel"). This is why you despise the 'bourgeoisie' (the Jews). Your 'class war' is your 'race war' - you're just blinded to the fact that Karl Marx and Engels chose to rename "the Jews" as "the bourgeoisie", and say that they ("the Jews") were Capitalists. This is why it's important for me to educate you, in the hope that you realize that your false religion (Socialism) is fundamentally evil and Anti-Semitic.
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Well, I appreciate it! I should have mentioned this in the video, but around 60-70% of my viewers are not subscribers, and when it came to my Greek video it was doing fine until I saw they had suppressed it (about half hour after it went live), and then almost nobody who was not subscribed got notified, and many of those who were subscribed were saying they didn't get notified. That's why it has significantly less views than the Orwell video that came out the day after.
And it seems that this video then killed the momentum of the entire channel, because the YouTube algorithm is brutal. There's loads of creators out there who will tell you that if you miss a week (or are slightly inconsistent), the AI will punish your entire channel severely, and you may not even be able to regain momentum. That's why I upload once a week at 5pm GMT and haven't missed any (once or twice being late, but I made sure to make a video explaining why) so as not to upset the algorithm.
Another good example is when I released the first Battlestorm Stalingrad video, I released it 30 minutes early, and it took almost a month to recover from that because the AI thought I was being inconsistent. That's why the second video in the series has less views than the third.
Again, it's not about the views, but I don't want to lose views, which will mean losing Patreons and SubscribeStars, which will mean lost revenue and me having to go find a job and then not be able to upload as often. It's a hamster wheel I'm unable to get off.
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"Lenin didn't organize pogroms, people did."
Yes he did. Here's Lenin's words on the 11th of August 1917, from Gellately, “Lenin, Stalin and Hitler,” P53.
“1. Hang (hang without fail, so the people see) no fewer than one hundred known kulaks, rich men, bloodsuckers
2. Publish their names.
3. Take from them all the grain.
4. Designate hostages…”
And, this is quote from Engelstein, “Russia in Flames,” P531 -
“Despite the Bolsheviks’ official repudiation of anti-Semitism, some sections of the Red Army were nevertheless responsible for pogroms, as vicious as any other, in which Red officers, Red Army staff, and Soviet commissars themselves participated.”
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"Why there is always Stalingrad battle from the German perspective on every western WW2 channel?"
There's several reasons. Firstly, they were the main actors for most of the battle. Even at this stage, the Soviets were mostly waiting for Manstein to attack. So, since it's down to Manstein to act, and Paulus to starve, we're looking at things from their perspective.
Most of the sources we have (even including "Russian" sources) are written by the Germans. Why is this? Maybe it has something to do with the mass censorship policies of the Soviet Union (and now the divide with Russia). Maybe the Soviet archives were locked up for 70 years, and most sources haven't yet been translated accurately into English. Then on top of that many of these sources are full of errors anyway because of mass censorship at the time. For example, Soviet generals didn't want to admit their mistakes to their superiors, and made up a bunch of lies about how many panzers they were engaged with. Chuikov does this all the time, saying he was being attacked by a hundred panzers, when in reality he faced 20 or so. And most of what we do have concentrates on the Chuikov-phase of the battle, and ignores the parts that are embarrassing to the Red Army (which is a lot of it).
In this series, I covered the Soviet experience at the Grain Elevator. But as I explained at the time (and in the follow up video discussing Wilhelm Hoffman's diary, which turns out to be a Soviet forgery by Chuikov https://youtu.be/u_3u2hLU1MA ) the Soviet soldiers at the Grain Elevator were engaged in bitter arguments with each other, and couldn't even agree who was actually at the Grain Elevator or not. Paulus's House is a minefield of distortions and propaganda myths, and don't get me started on Zaitsev! I deliberately stopped using his memoirs because they're so unreliable that you can't tell the fact (if there is any) from the fiction.
And that's not to say that the German sources are any good - I constantly get criticized for saying how bad the German sources are. (In the coming episodes, we'll be diving deep on Manstein's lie about how he supposedly sent the breakout order, which he didn't.) However, it's actually easier to point out the errors in the German sources because we've had more time to scrutinize them. And we can now compare the German sources to the Soviet sources, and figure out a lot of the truths from the lies. But I think there's a tendency by Russian authors to think that "their" sources are somehow more reliable than the Germans sources, when in reality they'll all as bad as each other.
We should be as skeptical of all the sources, be them Soviet, German, British, or whatever. State propaganda is rife throughout.
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Yeah I've explained this many times, both in the "Public vs Private" video [link https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y ], and the "Hitler's Socialism | Defeating the Denialist Counter-Arguments" video [link https://youtu.be/eCkyWBPaTC8 ]. Watch the first one, then the second, and you'll see exactly why Marx was both a totalitarian (despite claiming later he wasn't) and anti-Semitic.
Also, Mussolini was a Marxist-Socialist, but joined the Fascist Party (which is also socialist, as I've explained before) after being pro-war for WW1. His totalitarianism is the same totalitarianism of Marxism, except instead of a one-world State corporation (e.g. USSR inc), he wanted a national-State corporation(s). Totalitarianism is total state control of the means of production, which is socialism. You can't have socialism without total control of the means of production by the public (state).
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@AAA BBB, you're correct, but I want to beat them at their own game. Much like this thread. The fact that Mat J has still failed to respond to the Marxist definition of socialism I quoted earlier, but continues to reply in the comments, undermines his entire "opposing opinions" theory.
So, in some ways, I enjoy the challenge, because without them spamming me in the NS was S videos, I wouldn't have done a ton of research after those videos, and wouldn't have more than enough ammunition to prove both the fact that National Socialism was Socialism, but also that the Holocaust happened (since private-control of the means of production doesn't explain the Holocaust - a distortion many denialists will use to "prove" that the Holocaust didn't happen, which the Marxists are helping by denying Hitler's socialism). But yes, I'll take your advice about ignoring the obvious trolls.
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You're correct, which is why I've made plenty of videos saying how the German viewpoint is wrong. They made numerous mistakes and they weren't the brilliant army that many think they are. However, in this case, with the evidence I have, the Germans did have an innovative tactical organisation-doctrine, which the other powers had not made yet. That doesn't mean they're "amazing" or anything, or that other militaries couldn't do the same later, but defining a concept that the Germans did do different to the other militaries at the time, which did seem to give them a slight edge on the tactical level, shouldn't be unacceptable, especially when you consider I've made it clear in other videos that the Germans weren't all they were cracked up to be.
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"Feudalism was socialism?" - no, because feuedalism is all about private estates (lords of the manor etc). It manifests itself differently to both capitalism and socialism, which is why it's got its own name.
"Italian fascism was socialism?"
Yes. Socialism on the national level. This is why Mussolini and Oswald Mosely and many other Fascists started off as socialists before progressing to Fascism.
"Absolute monarchism is socialism?"
Not by itself, no. The monarch would need to have total-control over the economy and people's daily lives (which a monarch doesn't have since you need a bureaucratic state or party to do that).
"Everything is socialism."
People take the definitions I have to extreme, even though they're logical, based on dictionary definitions, and they're backed by evidence from places like Das Kapital and other historical works. Instead of thinking rationally, people get emotional and think I'm attacking them for some reason, rather than failing to understand that I'm actually trying to help them overcome a historical distortion.
Socialism is total control of the people (common-control of the means of production). If you thiink it's anything else, look up the definition of classic Liberalism, because you might actually be surprised.
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@chalsfo This one https://youtu.be/oT2NPAoXeSk
It was heavily censored by YouTube. Currently it is 78,500 views LOWER than my average video for the time it's been out, and it still only has 35,000 views despite having been published over 14 months ago. It was both "limited" and age restricted too, and people were saying that they were not getting notified, with others saying they couldn't find it for a while. The video the week before has 120,000 views, and the view after it got 144,000. But this one, just 37,500. It helped kill the momentum of the channel that I had built at the time, and all this despite the fact that I put a significant amount of work into it and I think it's one of my better videos.
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But by the time the planning conference for the amphibious assault over the Waal was taking place, a massive delay had already had already been caused by the failure to take the bridge on day 1.
"Painting this as the 82nd's fault is no better than blaming the Polish."
No, that's not the same. The Polish had no part in the defeat and there is no evidence that says they did. As mentioned in the video, their drop, several days late, probably saved 1st Airborne. That's what makes the fact that Browning blamed the Polish even worse, because it was a lie.
But in the 82nd Airborne's case, there is no excuse. They didn't go for the bridge for several hours, and that was the crucial mistake. And to be clear, it wasn't the entire 82nd Airborne Division that was at fault, it was Gavin and possibly Browning who were at fault for this. This is perhaps why Browning was so eager to blame the Polish to take the heat off himself. The two are probably related.
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***** What happened to the Polish brigade and Sosabowski was wrong. Browning and others tried to pass the blame onto them for the failure of Operation Market Garden, but that excuse didn't last long. Such blame was only accepted immediately after the battle until historians were able to study the battle later. Now, nobody with any understanding of the battle at all blames the Polish brigade for the failure because that is simply untrue. The fault lies elsewhere.
The Polish brigade didn't arrive until after Market Garden was already lost. That's a fact. They fought for the freedom of their own country, but also for the freedom of others. The government of the Netherlands has since shown gratitude to the Polish brigade. It recognises their contribution.
And you have to remember that a lot of British, US, French, Indian, Canadian, Belgian, Dutch, Polish, Czech, Russian (and more - too many to list) soldiers fought for freedom. A lot of that fighting took place on foreign soil. And just because they died on foreign soil doesn't mean they died in vain.
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The concept of parachute operations is to take your objectives quickly before the enemy can reinforce, and then hold them from expected counter-attack. Paras are too lightly armed to wage standard infantry warfare. They don't have the artillery and equipment support to really do more than dig in and wait. This is a major criticism for General Urquhart in the first few days of the operation as he didn't get his men to the objective and they were wiped out trying to punch their way through to Frost. Once he had them solidify and dig in - forming the Oosterbeek pocket - they stood firm for several more days.
Equally, Frost was able to hold on until the 5th day of operations (despite no ammunition or supplies) because he got to his objective and dug in.
So the question is, why wasn't the same principle applied at Nijmegen bridge? It worked at the other bridges. It worked at every other bridge during Operation Market Garden (except Son where the bridge guards managed to blow it before the 101st got to it). It worked in previous airborne operations, like during the German airdrop operations in Belgium and Holland in 1940. It worked at Bastogne later in the war.
So why couldn't a battalion of highly trained parachutists from the elite US 82nd Airborne not dig in and hold the northern end of Nijmegen bridge? Bearing in mind, that they would be in supply (something Frost was not) and would only have to hold until the morning of the 3rd day.
Warren's unit had several hours to reach the bridge and dig in. In the event they were minutes too late as it was. If they'd left several hours earlier - since the drops took place in the afternoon - they'd have had plenty of time to dig in and be ready for Graebner and the 10th SS.
I'm not saying they wouldn't have suffered casualties. I'm not saying they would have had an easy time. I'm not saying the Germans wouldn't have reacted and done something different and so on... but my principle problem on day 1 at Nijmegen is that a battalion did not move towards its objective for several hours, and by the time it did, it was minutes too late. That to me is a fundamental mistake that goes against the principle of the operation, and the concept of airborne warfare. Now, it doesn't matter who's fault it is or why it happened etc. But the important point to take away is that because they didn't move and secure their objective, the Germans did secure it. They realised the importance of taking and securing the Nijmegen bridge. And the result was that XXX Corps suffered a 36 hour delay at Nijmegen and then failed to get to Frost and 1st Airborne in time to save the operation.
We can blame Warren or Gavin or Browning or Monty or Ike or the Germans or the Sugar Puff Monster. That's not the point. The point is that a battalion did not move to take the Nijmegen bridge when it could and should have done so.
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And people wonder why there's a housing crisis... The bureaucracy is slow, expensive, and completely pointless. If it's your land, then you should be allowed to do what you want on it. If someone else doesn't like it, tough. But, of course, it's not really your land, you just think it is. In reality, the State owns the land, and you're just renting it, which is why you pay taxes on your property.
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Glantz is really good overall. He's probably the "best" of the western historians currently looking at the Eastern Front. As I've said previously - "if you're not reading Glantz, you're doing it wrong". Yes, he's not perfect, and When Titan's Clashed is a little out of date, but I'd highly recommend you read Glantz.
Stahel's great, but haven't read all his works, and he tends to stick to limited topics (which is good if you're looking for info on those specific topics, but bad for me because I tend to do 1942 onwards on the Eastern Front).
Fritz's Ostkrieg does a fantastic job because it doesn't focus solely on the military aspect, but talks about the economics, social and political aspects of the conflict. As a general overview, Ostkrieg is probably where you should start, followed by Glantz, and then get specific with Stahel. I'd also recommend Robert Citino, but he doesn't have a book on the 1941 campaign (his 1942 book "Death of the Wehrmacht" is amazing).
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At this moment in time, I actually think there's a difference between Fascism and National Socialism. For example, Mussolini's Italy only published racial laws in 1938, and this was only because of Hitler's/Germany's insistance. Fascism isn't necessarily racist, and it may not even be socialist - I've still got to look into it more before I've decided on the socialism element for Fascism. National Socialism, from what I can see now, is not just fascism.
Someone else brought up the Congo too. I don't really know about that, however a brief look online shows that a significant (perhaps the vast majority) of the deaths caused by that atrocity were actually from disease and a "plummeting birthrate", so it's not as clear cut as some have suggested. I do know about many of the European and Asian atrocities committed in the 20th Century, and in the case of the East Indian company (and in the Congo too), the motivation was for profit etc. It wasn't "let's go there and wipe out a race because we see them as them rather than us and that is our goal". It escalated into violence, rather than that being the initial goal. Now, I'm not saying this justifies it - it doesn't, and it's absolutely evil. However, this factor, and the fact that the scale of the atrocity was no where near that of the Holocaust or the wider National Socialist atrocities, nor the scale seen in the Soviet Union, China or Cambodia, is quite significant. And the intention was not to kill a race or a group of people, but to exploit the local resources. This difference is so significant that the event in the Congo isn't seen as a genocide as a result.
Obviously, you don't have to be socialist to commit atrocities against a racial group. However, the industrial scale of these atrocities committed by the National Socialists, and the group's attacked by the Soviet Union, China etc are beyond any other in history. We're talking mass industrialized, centrally planned, mass enslavement and extermination. And, it's not just racism there - because that happens elsewhere in history. The difference is definitely an ideology bent on creating a divide between one group and another, which, when you think about it, is central to what socialism is. Workers (one group) rising up and steal property off others. Aryans (a group) rise up and do the same with Jewish property (and Jewished-influenced property). Individuals no longer mean anything. You're a number - a barcode.
I would strongly argue that the racism AND the group divide (the socialism element) is inherent within the National Socialist ideology. It's not Marxist-Socialism, but it's still socialism. And I think the reason many people are disagreeing with these two videos is because they're ideologically motivated to do so. If they'd really thought about it and understood the message I was saying here, they'd be downvoting some of my other videos too. They're not downvoting them, and are even liking and praising them, despite being evidence that this view is correct. This is because they didn't understand the message here, and don't recognize the implications of what I actually said. And maybe that's my fault. However, I'd also point out that several people had downvoted this video within the first minute, and I can see that the vast majority didn't bother watching the videoz - certainly not all the way through. If they're not watching, they certainly aren't thinking it through.
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I may have to :) and thanks for subscribing. The channel isn't always quite this heated. But it has been in the past. I've been accused of being a fascist, communist, socialist, Nazi, liberal, American, anti-German, pro-German, anti-Soviet, pro-Soviet, conservative, pro-Croatian (yep) and numerous other names and political affiliations. It's really quite funny.
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"I think that the Soviet Union was about as socialist as Nazi Germany."
That's what I'm saying. They're both socialist regimes (although one is Marxist-socialism and the other is racist-socialism). The USSR was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics afterall.
And how exactly does this legitimise the Nationalsocialists? You realise that this absolutely smashes any argument they have for denying the Holocaust, right?
Since I published this video, the number of neo-Nazi comments on my channel has fallen to practically nill (which is amazing, because they were rampant before). Do you want to know why? Well, now that I understand what Nationalsocialists (I'm putting "National Socialism" together, as it was in the original German, because it makes a lot more sense to do so) actually are instead of what the Left pretend they are, their Holocaust-denial arguments are now easy to crush completely. In fact, that was why I was reading Mein Kampf in the first place - to figure out exactly what Hitler's philosophy regarding the Jews was (his Weltanschuung). It was only as I was reading it that I suddenly realised that Hitler wasn't at all capitalist and was arguing (almost) the same things the Marxists were, except it was based on race rather than class. His racism and his socialism are one and the same. And now that I've figured it out, the neo-Nazis have stayed away.
Denialists usually ask a question like - "how can there be gas chambers?" And trying to argue against this is quite difficult because, if Germany was capitalist back then, why would they waste their time during a war where they need all the resources and manpower available, and channel resources into creating death camps to murder a large portion of their population? Thinking about it logically, it doesn't make sense, if it is capitalism. Supply and demand couldn't have done this. And this is why Denialists will poke at the holes in this idea, which then sends most conversations down the rabbit hole.
Now it is easy. Now I can say - "it wasn't capitalism, it was socialism, and it was actually planned into Hitler's core economic theory and world-view. His economic policy and social policy and foreign policy are all linked into one. There's no way you can deny the Holocaust. To deny the Holocaust is to deny the war happened. To deny the Holocaust is to deny that Hitler was German. You can't do that." And interestingly, with the few Denialists who have commented after I made this video, as soon as I've made this argument (or similar) they rapidly accepted defeat.
In actuality, by denying that the Nationalsocialists were socialists, you're enabling the Nationalsocialists to deny the Holocaust. And they're using the same flawed-logical arguments the Marxist-Socialists are using to deny that the socialism that has been in history was "real socialism", which is interesting... But once you realise that socialism was just the "workers rising up" but is actually the social (public) ownership of the means of production, leading to an un-free planned economy, which requires a totalitarian state to prevent it from reverting back to its natural state, you realise that the only difference between Marxist-Socialism and National Socialism, is who the victims are.
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"Wait, so you can't bomb a city that has a set military defense? You lost me on that one."
No, absolutely not. Targeting civilians is never justified in my opinion.
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"If civilians are around that's literally not the bombers fault that's the other countries fault."
They live in the city. That's why they're called "citizens". They can't necessarily move out of the way, and they certainly don't want their private property being destroyed just because public property doesn't respect their lives. Also, how exactly is it the Dutch civilians fault that Germany invaded their country without a declaration of war? You've lost me on that one.
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"Plus, the war didn't sneak up on anyone. They could have evacuated."
It did sneak up on them. Germany didn't declare war on Holland, or Belgium, or Luxembourg, or Poland, or the Soviet Union. Fallschirmjäger were outside the city on the first day, and the panzers and infantry arrived on the 3rd day. Not easy to evacuate in those circumstances. And where do you evacuate to, exactly? Their backs are against the North Sea.
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@real_yunicellular "bro in the 1930s there were no private farms. that was in the 80s where 2 percent of the private farms produced 30 percent of the food, most farms in the 80s were private anyways"
Did you not read what I wrote? Most farms in the 1980s were not private at all. Only 2% of the farms were privately owned in the 1980s - the rest being collectivised. That 2% produced 30% of the food, preventing the Soviet Union from starving, which they would have done if all the farms were collectivized.
"but remember that in 1949 there was one final famine and then therw were no more"
Yes, and I've explained why this famine was the last in my video on the Soviet economy https://youtu.be/kPVo9w79D6w
The reason it was the last was because Stalin died, and the Soviet government focused everything they had on the farms (unlike before, where there were other priorities). Despite focusing on the farms, there was a shortage of food right up until the end of the USSR, and the quality of the food was terrible. Unlike in the West, the Soviet news agencies constantly talked about how well the harvests was doing this year, and Soviet citizens listened religiously to the news for that reason, because they knew their was a good chance that their food allocation would be cut further if they had a poor harvest. The sources for these points are provided in the linked video.
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"Let's forget for a moment that Germany had legitimate claims against Poland, namely, Danzig and the Corridor, which were German lands taken from her by the vindictive Allies after the end of WWI."
...which belonged to Poland prior to them being taken from her during the 1700s. But even if they were legitimate claims, taking them by force would be a war of aggression.
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"Britain and France gave Poland a guarantee they could not enforce, which prevented the Poles from solving their dispute with Germany through diplomatic channels, effectively pushing them to war."
No, they still could have negotiated. Hitler couldn't though because of the ticking time bomb of his own economy, which was imploding (as detailed in Aly's "Hitler's Beneficiaries", and I've covered this in my Hitler's Socialism video https://youtu.be/eCkyWBPaTC8 )
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"The USA, on the other hand, had begun a massive rearmament program even before September 1st, 1939."
Hitler began a rearmament program in 1933, and by 1935 had expanded from less than 1% to 10% of her GDP, which was "a bigger and quicker increase than ever seen before in peacetime in a capitalist state.” (Rees, "The Holocaust", P92.) In my opinion, it wasn't a capitalist state, but that's not the point here.
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"Roosevelt wanted war with Germany and to this end he secured an unprecedented amount of funds to invest in American rearmament. Was Roosevelt planning a war of aggression?"
Roosevelt was reacting to events in Europe and Asia, especially since it was Japan that attacked her in 1941, and Germany who declared war on her slightly after. America did not arm herself before Germany or Japan.
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"Of course. I find it shocking when I read that bomber planes were being ordered by the hundreds even before the war started and that once it started and the US was officially neutral, high ranking US officers were present in the UK in order to formulate the strategy to bomb Germany and find the right locations to build their air bases."
Germany was the first to bomb cities in WW2, starting with Polish cities on the first day of the war. She also bombed numerous countries, including Britain, before any bombs fell on Germany. Yet, because the other powers didn't sit there and take it, apparently they're at fault? I find it shocking that you could come to such a conclusion.
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"And Stalin? Well, anyone who has paid any attention to the idea that Barbarossa was a preventive strike has seen the maps prepared by the Soviet General Staff, maps which show the starting points for the invasion of Germany and Romania by the Bolshevik Red Army. What does this mean? It means that Germany is not the only one responsible for the outbreak of the war."
Yeah, I've addressed Suvorov's Preventative Strike idea in several videos -
Why You NEED to Think Critically | Suvorov and Keitel's "Preemptive Strike" 1941 Idea https://youtu.be/TyANHGWbUHA
How BIG were Soviet Armies and Divisions in 1942? And what impact did this have? https://youtu.be/wDslsMgnphI
Stalin’s Purge of the Red Army and Its Effects on the WW2 Eastern Front https://youtu.be/JnWNnI6YlQQ
The State of Soviet Artillery on the Eve of Operation Barbarossa WW2 https://youtu.be/dprGvO5GG9c
Soviet "War-Winning" Tanks in 1941? https://youtu.be/DkDiYuWlgV8
The Red Army Air Force in the First Days of Operation Barbarossa https://youtu.be/kh7KmtwLUbw
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"All the major powers involved share more or less the same degree of responsibility, but the victors have found it very convenient to shift the blame on the vanquished in order to clear their record, hide their responsibility, and portray themselves as the 'good guys' instead of participants in a criminal imperialist plot designed to divide the world among themselves under the pretext of saving it from Fascism, a plot that destroyed Germany and most of Western Europe in the process."
All the powers made mistakes, and nobody's completely innocent. That said, it's clear that the Axis were the aggressor powers in WW2 who imperialistically (Lebensraum) waged a war of aggression to gain space in Eurasia. The Axis were the ones trying to divide the world into their domain. Western Europe AND Eastern Europe were destroyed, especially the east where millions perished under the Nazi regime (I've done several videos on this, including this one: The Fate of Soviet Prisoners of War https://youtu.be/OeRR100incE ). And Fascism and National Socialism are two separate ideologies.
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"@TIK have you had any interaction with the people who says something along the lines of "Well he was backed by capitalists so therefore he's not a socialist!" ??"
Yes I have. They scream at me in the comments every day. When a debate is had with them, they soon crumble under the pressure of evidence and logic. Sadly, this doesn't change their minds. It's like fighting flat-earthers. Evidence and logic is not important to them. They have their belief, they think they're morally superior, and already believe that they have won the argument before you've even had it. They also assume the person they're arguing against (usually me) is either a Fascist, Nazi, has no idea what he's talking about, or doesn't understand socialism (so they tell me to read socialist literature, often times I already have). This is a completely incorrect assumption on their part, but again, it doesn't matter because they feel like they've won before the argument starts. You can't convince someone who's like that because they're not willing to listen, no matter how much evidence you present.
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You obviously didn't read the article, and haven't listened to what I said in the video. As I pointed out, it was Nigel Askey who started this, who wasn't very polite, who accused me of distorting history and of not being a "learned historian" etc (ad hominem attacks). Because of this, he didn't frame it as a "polite debate", but instead as an attack, which is the main reason why I didn't respond to him for 3 years because I actually want a debate, not an argument. So, considering that his article really doesn't hold up to scrutiny, I think those in the comments are correct in their assessment, and you would do well not to accuse them of not having read the essay, especially since I actually read most of it to them in the video.
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Interestingly, in December (2019) I created the unit image file for the 521st Panzerjäger Battalion, suggesting that I needed it for one of the videos in Season 2. And, I've just checked, and I do show the battalion at ~12 minutes into video 4, and possibly elsewhere in that video.
The book “Mit Tanne und Eichenlaub: Kriegschronk der 100.Jäger-Division vormals 100.leichte Infanterie-Division,” mentions it, but the only time I've come across it since video 4 (I'm still working my way through the book), it only mentioned it briefly and I didn't put it in the video because it was for a minor skirmish. It appears to be attached to 100th Jäger Division or Heitz's 8th Army Corps at this time, as MacLean's Stalingrad Volume 1 Page 101 confirms it was attached (minus 1 company) to the 8th Army Corps on the 5th of September 1942. Where it actually was on the map though, I'm not sure.
Is the reason you're interested in the battalion due to those tank destroyers?
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I do enjoy challenging assumptions. But I also enjoy questions and debates. Keeps me on my toes :)
According to Thunder in the East, the Soviets had 2,000 heavy, 7,600 medium, and 11,000 light tanks on the 1st of January 1943. That makes sense since in my studying of Stalingrad, around half the tanks mentioned are light tanks (including US Stuarts/Honeys)
I honestly don't know if everyone had that mindset. Rommel appears to be one of the first to develop this - but this is coming from Western historians (e.g. Liddel Hart) so I don't know if others had developed this idea before him or not. I highly doubt he was the only one since we see this same tactic with the AT guns deployed at Dubno. However, I don't have the biography of generals like, say Hube, to confirm this. Rommel seems to develop this tactic after seeing von Herff use his Kampfgruppe to lead the British onto the anti-tank guns during Brevity (which is why this small battle is important, and why I had to do a video on it). He then uses it during Battleaxe. So it may already have been a German tactic, and Rommel may have been late realise it, or maybe this just confirmed in his mind the value of the tactic.
Sadly, at this time, I do not have the the numbers for the 88s. Between the 01/06/1941 and 01/07/1942, the number of "Light Pak" guns decreases from 17,354 to 15,202 (Light Pak meaning 37mm, 47mm and 50mm guns. They lose ~2,000 of them. There is a discrepancy in the German numbers but they do have more than the total requirements by the army). Meanwhile 75mm guns increase by roughly 1,619 to 2,227. Between 01/07/1942 to 01/12/1942, number of Light Paks stays the same, while 75mms drop to 4,697. However, again, they actually have surplus stock, since the army doesn't need this many (apparently). All of these weapons increase in balance between 01/12/1942 and 30/06/1943. So it does seem that the Germans are able to keep up with army requirements. [Numbers from Enduring the Whirlwind]
T-34s did have an impact - it was a good tank! Sloped armour and the ability to be mass-produced is what made it good. However, it was still the minority tank even until 1943 (as you can see from the numbers above).
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I studied the Jack the Ripper case in university, although I've not read that much on it to be honest, but I am familiar with the topic. The primary sources are problematic for numerous reasons, and the fact you're relying on the newspapers is telling. The police records were also terrible because (at least in once instance) they actively destroyed the evidence. Sure, some of the histories written on the case by historians are going to be bad (I said this in the video), but in general a newer history by a serious historian on the topic will be better than an old history book from 50 years ago.
That said, in the case of Jack the Ripper, you'll probably never solve the mystery, and the culprit is probably lost to time. This is why crackpot theories are abound on the topic, and they're not always 'disprovable'. But that doesn't mean that, in general, newer histories are not better than out-of-date old ones.
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"Sorry Tik, but whats up with the shit about racism in the beginning of the video, thats some serious distortions."
I actually rewrote that section several times because I knew that I had to mention racism (otherwise I'd be accused of being "racist" for leaving it out) but then I knew that it would cause a stir in the comments. Oh well, let's get on with it shall we.
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"you are claiming the raj, didnt govern in a racist way"
No I didn't, stop lying and accusing me of saying things I didn't say. I said several times in that section that racism was part of the problem. YOU didn't hear those words because YOU are only hearing what YOU want to hear.
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"And there are colonies by European nations that the main economy was is export of slaves to the americas, or force labor to extract natural resources."
Yes, and then the British (thanks to liberalism and capitalism) realized that this was not only a ethically bad thing, but also was uneconomical. It made more sense to free the slaves as this would be better for the economy. However, none of this has anything to do with India. The British didn't go to India for slaves.
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" Or to genocide populations off of natural resources."
Maybe I'm wrong. Please tell me which genocide was deliberately conducted by the British in India for purely racist reasons? And if you say the Bengal Famine of 1943, I'll argue against you since that wasn't done for racist reasons - it was inflation that caused it.
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" There was racist justifications at the time to make it ok for a christian to economically profit by force, it was never about "civilizing" the population really, it was about economic exploitation, thats the argument."
Yes, and I disagree. The primary reason the British Empire did what it did was because of ECONOMIC reasons. Racism may have factored into this, but Britain didn't take over a quarter of the world's land surface just because it wanted to kill and enslave people.
In summary, your opinions are wrong.
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"I want to buy your car at a low price, but you want to sell it to me at a high price. We say in ordinary English "our interests conflict", rather than "there is a contradiction in the system"."
That's not a contradiction, and that's not what the dialectics mean when they use the term.
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"it is just a load of academic word games"
Yes, that's what the dialectic is. And I was trying to boil it down. When you read their stuff, it's all mumbo jumbo. It's word-salad.
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"just so you can try to say NAZISM = COMMUNISM."
Nazism isn't Communism, and I'm not saying Nazism is Communism, nor am I trying to say it's Communism. The only time in the past I've ever called Nazism Communism is when addressing National Socialists themselves. The reason why is because it's an insult to them. They refer to each other as "National Comrades" and "National Collectivists", so I just call them National Communists. But outside of the insult, I don't think National Socialism is Communism, nor is it Marxist. It's clearly Socialists, not Marxist.
But none of that has anything to do with this video. Denying that the Marxists, Fascists and the National Socialists all use the Dialectic, is simply denying the evidence. The quote about Mosley at the end of the video should suffice to make this point clear.
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"You take silly positions by deying the obvious and easy to understand differences between Fascism (National Socialism) and Communism (International Socialism), which everyone except you and a few of your followers recognise"
I fully recognise the differences between these ideologies. I don't know why you're strawmanning my position by claiming otherwise. If you WON'T PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT I'M SAYING, then that's on you. Put your emotions away and start listening. You listen with your ears, not with your heart.
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"Everyone knows Hitler's entire life was dedicated to kill Marxists, who he believed were part of a "Jewish plot" to enslave the Aryans."
Many of the Marxists in Germany went over to the National Socialists in 1933. Here's a quote from Dirlewanger on this:
“When I was making my selections in the concentration camps, [I was advised] to try forming a unit of former political opponents of the Movement. In our camps we have men who in February 1933, and perhaps even after March 5, 1933, remained faithful to their own conception of the world and didn’t hide behind an appearance of national socialism. In this they showed character, unlike those thousands who went over to the stronger side and, despite an interior hostility, turned towards us with their right arm high after March 5.” - Dirlewanger to Himmler, quoted from Ingrao, “The SS Dirlewanger Brigade,” Kindle p40.
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Racing towards Stalingrad, Paulus' Sixth Army had 120,000 men and 150 tanks, vs Kopakshi's 62nd Army and Chuikov's 64th Army, both with 6 rifle division each and a few tank battalions and other units, with 277 tanks (most being light tanks). After being initially defeated by the Sixth Army, the Soviets counterattack with 1st and 4th Tank Armies, but this only amounted to a third of the tanks (maybe 200 in total at most) reaching the front, because these two armies hadn't actually formed yet. Despite the fact that the Soviets were defeated, they did halt the Sixth Army prior to Stalingrad, and caused great loss to the Germans, blunting their spearheads. The fighting continued outside the city, and Fourth Panzer Army had to be brought in to assist Paulus and get the attack moving again as Paulus' attack had stalled outside the city.
During the fighting in the city itself, Chuikov's 62nd Army was outnumbered by the Germans (just those elements fighting in the city itself). In fact, 62nd Army’s combat strength ebbed and flowed, but never exceeded its initial strength of 54,000 men. Paulus had 80,000 men at his disposal during first assault on the city (Sept 3rd 1943), and would feed in other divisions to keep the fight going. By the beginning of November, both sides were completely exhausted in the fighting, with the Germans still able to attack, but the reality was that they were only gaining small gains in the city with each offensive.
Soviet reserves for Operation Uranus did not come from the Caucasus because that was already fighting against Army Group A. Reserves came from other areas of the Soviet Union. While German attention was drawn toward Moscow and the Caucasus, the Soviets secretly shifted their reserves to the Stalingrad area. This does not mean the Germans didn't have reserves or that the Germans didn't have the capacity to launch an attack. In fact, they brought in reserves for Winter Tempest and the Stalingrad relief attempt. Instead, what it means is that the Soviets skillfully maneuvered their strategic reserve in secret to the Stalingrad region and surprised Axis forces in the area. The Soviets won, not because they outnumbered the Germans, but because they concentrated their forces effectively in areas the Germans didn't expect an attack to succeed. There's a lot more to it, and I'll go into it all during my upcoming Stalingrad documentary, but the Soviets didn't have "overwhelming" manpower numbers. Yes they concentrated their forces, but they relied on tanks, artillery, and air power to win (the Luftwaffe up to this point had dominated the skys, and Stalingrad is the first battle they really lost that domination).
- Statistics from Glantz, D. House, J. "The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 1. To the Gates of Stalingrad. Soviet-German Combat Operations, April-August 1942." University Press of Kansas, 2009.
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Very interesting. I'm not going to claim to know a lot about Estonian history, however it does sound like politics is the reason many Estonians have a bias of being pro-German when thinking of WW2... or should we simply say anti-Russian. Estonia wants to keep her independance, and Russia is currently the biggest threat to that. So naturally, it makes sense to have an anti-Russian slant when it comes to history. In this case, it manifests itself as pro-German when remembering WW2.
The reality is that both the Nazi and Soviet states were BOTH terrible places to live within. Their armies may have their pros and cons, but again, both the Red Army and the Wehrmacht are not inherently better or worse than each other. They were both terrible in their crimes and their bloodlust. Nazi atrocities are well know, and Soviet ones are too, although many have been covered up (Glantz briefly mentions this at the end of the video I linked too). Neither state should be "favoured" regardless of politics. We have to try and look at this from as an unbiased point of view as possible, and question our own perceptions, even if it's tough to do so.
According to the view in the more modern histories, the Wehrmacht is not "superior" to the Red Army. It caught the Red Army in a state of disrepair and reorganization in 1941, and that is where the myth comes from, but even then Barbarossa fails. By the middle-to-late end of 1942, both the Wehrmacht and Red Army are on an almost equal footing. That is why the battles for 1942-1943 have often been seen as a "period of transition". But the Wehrmacht loses this "equal fight" and never regains it. And I think you're right, we need to look at the Red Army at the tactical and operational level to the same extent that many western historians have done with the Wehrmacht and see how the Red Army holds up. I'm hoping my Stalingrad documentary will do that well enough for a serious debate to begin.
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Ok, here's some things for your to consider. First thing is that Lend-Lease didn't really come into play until 1942 - at which point the battle of Moscow and the counterstrokes there had already bloodied the German army. Yes, some tanks did arrive, but if you look at the numbers and the quality of the equipment that arrived, it was not decisive in late 1941. That's not to say that Lend-Lease wasn't important - of course it was - but that the Red Army had already halted the Wehrmacht outside of Moscow by the time a significant portion of that aid arrived.
Second, the Red Army had massive logistical issues too. What we tend to forget is that the Soviet soldiers suffered as much in the Winter months as the Wehrmacht's soldiers did. Soviet soldiers and equipment wasn't immune to the cold. And with the Ukraine occupied, many of the Soviet soldiers were living on meagre rations. Reading accounts about the Battle of Stalingrad, Soviet soldiers were half-starved BEFORE they even entered the city. And it must be remembered that the Soviets had to take apart their industry in the early part of the war and ship it East during the midst of war, rebuild it brick by brick, and start pumping out tanks and equipment again. Somehow, they did this. Imagine if the Germans had had to move the industries in the Ruhr a few hundred kilometers during 1941 - how would that work out?
When the Germans fought during Barbarossa in 1941, they actually outnumbered the Soviets at the start. They crush the Red Army until they get to Moscow. However, once the Red Army rebuilt itself in the late part of 1942 - up to this point its industry and the composition if its units had had to be drastically altered due to the losses sustained in the early part of the war - the Wehrmacht suddenly seemed to lose it's ability to win battles, even at the tactical and operational level. It seems as though it couldn't win on an equal footing? Yet, if the German army was so superior earlier in the war, why didn't the 1942 Fall Blau offensive bag as many Red Army prisoners as it aimed to do?
The Red Army up until late 1942 is basically a bunch of men with rifles and a handful of light tanks. In fact, one Soviet general refers to his men only as "rifles" and gets criticised for it - not saying who ;) However, by the end of 1942, the Red Army's industry has kicked in, and its tank units have been reorganized. They now have Tank Corps (division size) rather than Tank Brigades, which is what they'd been relying upon up to this point. And they'd learnt to be patient. Up until this point, the Red Army kept attacking, mainly in desperation. Kotluban' is a good example of where the Red Army launched ill-prepared offensive after ill-prepared offensive, to try and stop the panzer and motorized divisions north of Stalingrad from entering the city. Some of these attacks were born just days or hours before they were launched. If we contrast that to Uranus which is where the Soviets allow themselves weeks to build up their forces and plan and revise their attacks, they launch a decisive operation. Once they gain the initiative, they hold on to it quite well - again, a little strange for an inferior army?
I don't want to spoil too much, but many historians have the view that Stalingrad was lost before the Germans even reached the city. Certainly on the tactical and operational level, they were suffering heavy attrition even before the city. The first phase of Uranus was a Operational counteroffensive in the Stalingrad area. German units were involved in this fight, including the undamaged 29th Motorized Infantry Division, yet still lost with heavy casualties. Manstein agrees with Hitler that the Sixth Army shouldn't break out - not a wise decision by the "greatest German general"? Manstein's Third Battle of Kharvkov shows that even with the "greatest German general" could only "win" a counteroffensive battle against a foe that was overextended. Kursk shows that the Germans can't even win on the operational or tactical level.
Or does it? And by the way, I'm not committing myself to this point of view, I'm just playing devil's advocate at the moment. I could equally argue the opposite :)
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Actually, the reason I made fun of Zhukov's book in the video is because it's a typical example of a mistrust of Soviet accounts. Zhukov was working from memory (he wasn't allowed access to the Soviet archieves either!) and his book is filled with what sounds like (and might actually be) Soviet propaganda - "Hero of the Soveit Union, Senior Lieutenant V. F. Skobarikhin, a pilot, in an unequal dog-fight, while saving his comrade Senior Lieutenant Vuss, rammed a Japanese fighter plane, and having destroyed it, engaged two other planes." He had to self-sensor his writings, and they in turn were also sensored by the state. The edition I have has some of the revisions re-revised. All this doesn't make for very light reading...
Honestly, I've just watched that Glantz lecture again. I think it's amazing. And I'm going to try remain as neutral as I can during the Stalingrad video (at least until the end), although I'm not sure how successful I'll be given that I'm reliant on these other texts.
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I'll quote from my script from my source tier list video:
"A good example is William Shirer’s “Rise and Fall of the Third Reich”, which was published in 1960. It was one of the first books I read on the topic, which is why my copy is falling apart, and it’s wrong. First, it’s written by a communist - and they never lie! But it’s ironic that this is held up by the National Socialists as a good book, because Shirer says several times that he’s just got off the phone to Halder, and Halder said such a such. Well, turns out that Halder was manipulating the sources - literally burning books - in order to cover his tracks and whitewash the German Army of its crimes. Shirer also pushes the idea that the Austrians were pressured to vote for the Anschluss, and thus, were a victim of Nazi Germany. This was shown to not be the case a year later by historian A J P Taylor, and it turns out that the Austrians willingly went over to Germany. And as I showed in the previous video, Shirer also pushes the idea that Hitler was funded into power by the capitalists, a myth that was based on dubious memoirs and subsequently disproven in the 1980s by historian Henry Ashby Turner. So there are numerous flaws in Shirer’s book, many of which would be overcome by future historians, and its main problem is that it’s simply out of date. So this is why old history books are in the C tier."
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"but by law corporations are considered individuals with individual rights, do they then fit the definition of capitalism?"
This is because of the Fascist/Socialist concept of believing that lots of people that politically organize into a community (a State, or body-politic) has a consciousness. A body has a mind, therefore a body of the people (corporation) must also have a mind. If you read Gentile's works, or Marx's works, you'll quickly see the connection.
But no, a herd of people may act as one (all moving in one direction), but they're all made up of individuals. They do not have a collective hive-mind. Thus, while the "law" (the State) may consider them to be individuals with individual rights, they are not individuals, and cannot be considered 'private' nor 'capitalism'.
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There are many who are trying to mystify Hitler (the Marxists), and Hitler himself tried to cover his tracks. For example, Hitler glances over what he did in late 1918 and early 1919 after he got back from the trenches. He skips to mid-1919, which is strange, especially since we have video and photographic evidence of him attending Kurt Eisner's funeral (who was a Jewish Communist revolutionary). We also know he was elected twice into the Soviet Republic of Bavaria. Yet none of this is mentioned in Mein Kampf.
Zitelmann's book will do you good. He doesn't just take Mein Kampf, but also Hitler's second book, his speeches, his table talks, and many of the other records we have of Hitler speaking to others, and takes a look at all that before wading into various debates surrounding him. And Zitelmann actually addresses many of your points in his book. Zitelmann doesn't call him a madman, doesn't call him a genius, doesn't call him "a hidden jew" or any of the other stuff you mentioned. Read it.
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"Then there's a fact most of the critical race thinkers are Black people."
Maybe, although a lot of the professors teaching this stuff are white. Here in the UK at least, the State (with direct funding by the central banks who are eager to push this line of thinking) was actively promoting this ideology in the police, the civil service, the courts, the fire service, the military, the schools and so on, and the majority of people teaching this were white.
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"We are a minority of this country we would never ever have the power to commit genocide."
Perhaps it's because this ideology isn't aimed at protecting black people. The people teaching black people to rise up against their "white oppressors" are white Communists. They want black people to rise up so that the white people react. There may be a genocide, but it will most likely be the minority who suffer because they're being prompted to cause trouble with the majority.
By the way, I'm obviously not saying that this is going to happen, or that I want this to happen. I want to prevent anything like this from happening. But you have to look at how a lot of people are reacting to this. I know people here in the UK are sick to death of this race nonsense, and the general (white) public are turning against the other minorities BECAUSE of the constant bombardment by the State and by the media of how bad the white people are. If we're constantly labelled as "white racists" even if we're not, then people are going to react by accepting the label.
I can honestly say that the Nazi movement is growing here (especially among Labour Party members), which is a pure reaction to all the garbage we're being told daily. It's the same with the men. We get constantly told how bad men are, so many men just think "meh, why bother" and walk away. We might consider them to be "weak", but the reaction is the important part here. The reaction to the activism is causing the opposite of what the stated end-goal is. It's the classic problem of Leftists not understanding the unintended consequences of their own policies. A decade ago, most "white" people here in the UK wouldn't have even thought of the racial issue. Now though, they're not happy with it, and so this country is slowly being pushed towards a reaction which will not end well for the ethnic minorities if the constant Leftist CRT activism isn't stopped.
This is partly why I've been doing videos on National Socialism and Whoopi Goldberg's take on the H. One of my goals is to expose these ideologies and prevent more people falling into the sway of the National Socialists or Race Marxists. I want to prevent history from repeating itself. But only one side is listening to me.
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"They call it critical race theory to see a book in schools about Rosa Parks!"
There are some idiots out there. Obviously, a book in school about Rosa Parks isn't CRT. But as you admit, CRT is being taught in schools, and Rosa Parks and Martin Luther are being twisted by the Race Theorists to further their agenda. It's not about the facts, it's about the interpretation of the facts, and the history is being weaponised to push a black version of national socialism.
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"A question for you was the US really capitalist from the start ?"
I would argue that no country has ever been capitalist, since taxation and a monopoly on law has always existed, preventing a truly free market from functioning. However, if we say that capitalism is a free economy (excluding tax and the monopoly law system), then America was only capitalist when it didn't have slavery (when all private individuals were free), when it hadn't abandoned bimetalism, and when it didn't have a central bank. Well, as far as I'm aware, these conditions have never happened in US history, so therefore it would be a mistake to say that America has ever been capitalist.
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"It was regarding that developed countries with high taxation and high social welfare do better on all indexes of living standards."
If you tax the parent, you tax the child. If you tax the employer, you tax the employee. Economics in One Lesson by Hazlitt explains why taxation only redistributes wealth at best, and squanders wealth at best. So my advice would be to read that, or listen to it here https://youtu.be/eyIfEpNfU2U
The child doesn't have 'higher' living standards because you take money from the parent, redistribute that wealth to a politician, who then takes a cut, before giving a portion of that taxed money to the toys manufacturer to create "free" toys to give to the child.
Well, saying that higher taxation = higher living standards doesn't make any sense for the same reason. A squandering of resources doesn't equal higher living standards. Instead, I would suggest that the countries that previously embraced liberal capitalist policies and got rich and higher living standards because of that, are now the countries with States that are now taxing that wealth. This is why the western economies are now struggling and have been struggling for years - because the wealth gained in previous generations is now being drained by the current State.
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Jay, you're correct that the socialism that Hitler had is not the Marxist kind. Socialism was born in the fires of the French Revolution (with origins prior to that) and this was way before Marx ever put pen to paper. If National Socialism isn't socialism, then by that same logic Marxist-Socialism isn't socialism either.
Also, just because millions of Marxist-Socialists fought the National Socialists, doesn't mean the National Socialists were not evil, or that the Marxist-Socialists are not right for defending themselves. It also doesn't mean the Marxists were responsible for the start of the conflict, nor does it imply that, so I'm not sure why you're suggesting that that's what I'm saying. In fact, if the Nazis were capitalists, that means that the British and USA soldiers who fought the Nazis were equally to blame for the war, since they shared the same ideology (a narrative the Marxists are pushing btw). That also doesn't make much sense to me. And even if it did imply all that you said, if it's true, it's true. Wouldn't you rather know the truth than believe a lie? I would.
And as I said, I have done research on it. I haven't presented it to you yet, but I have done research on it. Trust me, I wouldn't be standing my ground if I hadn't done my research.
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Since ODDBALL requested, I'm going to reference my comment. Please see video description for full bibliography.
1) Actually it was earlier than 3pm. "At 1328, the 665 men of 1st Battalion began to fall from the sky." Poulussen, R. Lost at Nijmegen. Kindle edition, location 410. (sorry, no page numbers on Kindle ediitions). "Forty minutes after the drop, around 1410, the 1st Battalion marched off towards their objective, De Ploeg, three miles away." Poulussen, location 421.
2) The 82nd weren't drinking coffee when they landed. They were digging in and performing recon in the area looking for 1000 tanks in the Reichswald - Neillands, R. The Battle for the Rhine 1944. Kindle edition, location 1827.
3) They were dug in and preparing to defend their newly constructed regimental command post, which they established at 1825. Then Colonel Lindquist "was told by General Gavin, around 1900, to move into Nijmegen." Poulussen, location 445.
Here's the events on the evening of the first day -
Having dug in at De Ploeg, Warren's battalion wasn't prepared to move towards the Nijmegen at all. Poulussen, location 452. Once Lindquist told Lieutenant Colonel Warren that his Battalion was to move, Warren decided to visit the HQ of the Nijmegen Underground first - to see what info the underground had on the Germans at the Nijmegen bridge. Poulussen, location 455. Interestingly, this wasn't a direct route to the bridge from Warren's original position, and placed him squarely in the middle of the town. It was also around 2100 when "A" Company left to attempt to capture the Waal Bridge. "B" Company wasn't with them because they'd split up due to the fact it was night and "visibility was less than ten yards". Poulussen, location 481.
The attacks were resisted by the Germans until the next day. Gavin drove up in a jeep the next morning and was told by Warren that although they didn't have the bridge yet, another attack was about to go in. Gavin then told Warren to hold because the Germans were attacking in the southeast portion of the 82nd perimeter. Then at around 1100, Warren was ordered to withdraw from Nijmegen completely. Poulussen, location 579.
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A good portion of the information from this part of Poulessen's book comes from Major Benjamin F. Delamater, Executive Officer of 1st Battalion - who "wrote a coherent and technical account" of the actions of 1st Battalion. He wrote his account in 1947. Other quotes and sources are listed in Poulessen's book, but there's too many for me to list here. I'd highly recommend Poulessen's book - it's the most detailed account of the 82nd's actions at Nijmegen I've found.
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As for the claim that XXX Corps was drinking tea on the 20th of September in Nijmegen (this is a new claim, as this claim is usually attributed to the 21st of September after the taking of the Nijmegen bridge), I'll quote Kershaw, R. It Never Snows in September. Ian Allan Publishing, 2007.
"In Nijmegen, the arrival of British armour had raised the intensity and scale of the fighting. Extensive fires had broken out, marking the progress of the XXX Corps advance. Combined Sherman and infantry attacks during the early night hours of 20 September had been halted by accurate artillery fire around the traffic circle south of the Hunner park. SS-Captain Krueger of 21 Battery had personally directed the fire. At 0130 two Shermans remained with sheared tracks after the attack had been repelled. During the course of the morning three more combined arms attacks were concentrated upon the gradually shrinking 10SS perimeter defending the southern bank of the Waal." Kershaw, P192. He goes on to talk about the US involvement and the German perspective.
At 1500, 40 Sherman tanks plus artillery and air support began firing to cover the advance of Cook's 3rd Battalion as they crossed the Waal in boats. Kershaw, P196. But resistance inside Nijmegen continued for quite some time after the famous actions to take the bridges. Bittrich (commander of IISS Corps) reported at 2330 on September 20th that "nothing [had] been heard from the Nijmegen garrison for two hours" and that he could "only assume the German units had been destroyed". Kershaw, P212. Just because nothing had been heard for two hours at 2330, didn't mean that Nijmegen was cleared of German units. It just meant that they hadn't been in contact. Some units continued to fight on. Kampfgruppe Euling were still holding their positions at 2230, although they then made a break for it in the dark some time afterwards. Kershaw, P213
According to Neillands in The Battle for the Rhine 1944, in a quote from the US Official History (which I do not own, sadly) states "The Guards Armoured's Coldstream Guards Group still was needed as a reserve for the Airborne division. This left but two armoured groups to go across the Waal. Even those did not make it until next day, D plus 4, 21 September, primarily because of diahard German defenders who had to be ferreted out from the superstructure and bridge underpinnings." Location ~2265.
Neillands also points out that the US Official History itself reveals that it is a delusion to think that Lord Carrington and his five tanks could have penetrated the German lines to get to Arnhem on the night of 20th September. Location 2282.
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Day 1 of the war, the Soviets have 2,743,000 men on the Axis-Soviet Front. Germans alone have 3,118,910 and total Axis is 3,957,910. Axis forces are superior in number to the Soviets until December 1941.
Source: Glantz, D. “When Titan’s Clashed.” University Press of Kansas, 2015. Table N Comparative Strengths of Combat Forces, Soviet German Front 1941-1945
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You are incorrect. In order to pay for doctors and hospitals, nationalisation, unemployment schemes, nationalised insurance, state housing, nationalised pensions etc, taxes must rise - which then stifles the economy, leading to major problems for the countries that implement socialism (as has happened historically). If taxes do not rise - as you are suggesting - you have to print a lot of money to pay those state employees, at which point you'll have hyperinflation, and everybody will lose their savings, money will be worthless, and businesses will shut down (since people will resort to barter). So printing money isn't a good idea. Raising taxes is the only way.
Now, having some socialist policies makes sense. Having a nationalised health service (the NHS here in the UK) is great, for example. But direct and indirect (stealth) taxes for everyone are high as a result. Sure, the rich may get hit more than the poor, but taxes are still high for the low income earners. That is the trade off required to pay for the nationalised state (public) owned businesses (means of production), and is why socialism in high doses often leads to major economic problems. High taxes means less consumption, which means less businesses, which means less employment, which means less production, which means less competition, which means higher prices (on top of the fact prices will be higher because you'll have higher taxes to pay for the nationalised industries), which means a stagnant or even stagnating economy.
So, it's correct that having national healthcare is probably not a bad idea. But only if you want higher taxation.
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@MrPro897 "That's debatable. Keynesian policies came in order to correct the faulty laissez-faire system, which was failing every 2-3 years the entire 19th century, with Great Depression, being the best (or worse) example."
Yes, the old Laissez-Faire system (which wasn't "Laissez-Faire" even though it's called that) didn't work because governments intervened so much in the economy, causing the recessions and depressions that they then tried to solve. The Great Depression, as Rothbard and others point out, is a great example of this. That's why I recommended that book, which you can get online for free.
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"...thanks to Keynesian policy economy is growing again."
Turning off a car and turning it back on doesn't create a bigger car. Turning off the economy, and then turning it back on, isn't economic growth. I should remind you that the stock market is not the economy. In fact, the private sector (the real engine of the economy) is dying. Gregory Mannarino has been pointing this out this every day for the past however long. The distortions inherent in this economy now are so acute that there's nothing left except the basics.
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@flavionessuno5085 "if you define socialism as "any political ideology based on the interpretation of Karl Marx's works " than Nationalsocialism is not socialist, this is the common definition of socialism;"
That's not the historic definition of socialism. As I have said numerous times now, Socialism pre-existed Karl Marx. I've outlined the historical definition of Socialism here https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
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"on the other hand if you define socialism as " any doctrine alternative to capitalism that redistribute resources to some subgroup of the population along class, ethnic or religeous grounds" than National Socialism is socialist."
Again, that's not how I define socialism. I'm not sure why you've jumped to the conclusion that it is.
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"TIK uses the latter definition, Indy uses the former."
No, they're using the same definition as me, which is why they're saying Hitler was a Capitalist. It's not a question of definitions, it's a question of evidence. They've not seen or heard the evidence that contradicts the idea that Hitler was a Capitalist, so they still think he murdered Ernst Rohm because they believe Rohm was a 'real' Socialist (an argument I've destroyed in the Hitler's Socialism video). They still think that he privatized the industries, or only set up the DAF as a sham trade union etc.
So this has nothing to do with definitions. The definition I'm using is the correct definition and doesn't contradict theirs. The only nuance that I've put in is that there's a distinction between "Socialism" and "Marxist Socialism". Socialism has nothing to do with class, but Marxist Socialism does. So when they say "it has to be for the workers" - they're describing Marxist Socialism, not Socialism. Socialism doesn't have to be for the workers at all.
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I'm not saying you're a Marxist, but I'm saying you're defending one version of socialism over another. But they're all the same.
Socialism is state control of the economy. That's it. It doesn't matter what form it takes, it's still state control of the economy. So yes, Leninism, Marxism, Stalinism, Hitlerism, Mussolini-ism, Corbynism and any other socialisms are different varieties of socialism, because they have different dictators, but they are still all socialism. As I said, it turns out that when you take away individual rights, you get slaves. This is why Stalin and Hitler both murdered Jews. It's the same deal. To say it isn't state-control in an attempt to hide the true meaning is the distortion. I'm simply pointing that out.
This then leads to arguments about economics and definitions, and that's fine. I've done my research (always doing more of course) and I know exactly what I'm saying. I'm saying socialism is state control of the economy, and I'm saying Hitler's regime was a version of socialism. That's not going too far, that's just stating the reality of Hitler's regime.
Without state control of the economy you can't even explain the Hitler Youth. So no, I'm not giving in on something just because people have a distorted fantasy of what socialism actually is. The definition is clear, and once people grasp the definition and realise why that is the definition, there's no going back.
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Other counter arguments include Ernst Rohm’s Putsch, where people will say that the Nazis killed socialists. However, this is actually an example of state control, since it is the state cracking down on private businesses and organizations.The ‘socialists’ that Hitler killed were Ernst Röhm and his associates. These were a small number of (1,000) of socialists out of the large SA (3,000,000 strong) who were supposedly planning a coup on Hitler. This was in-fighting within the Party, rather than ideological opponents.
Another counterargument is that Hitler got rid of trade unions. And, at first, getting rid of trade unions looks like an example of getting rid of socialism. But is this really the case? What is a trade union? A trade union is an organization (usually Marxist in nature) of workers (class) who are opposing the employer (class). Since trade unions are based on class and not race, they’re an example of Marxism within capitalism.
Hitler replaces the Marxist (class) trade unions with the racial-state’s “German Labour Front” (DAF). The state is now in control of the workers - a sign of socialism. Since trade unions (private organizations) are no longer around, this is a sign of anti-capitalism, as well as anti-Marxism. It also misses the point that Lenin was against trade unions as well, despite being a Marxist-socialist.
So, with the above quotes, we can see that private property was abolished and that the capitalist businessmen were in trouble. They were not, as some claim, "supporting Hitler" and ruling the roost. They were under the socialist thumb. Similarly we have a heavy-state involvement in land reform in order to ‘socialize’ it. We also have price controls and high taxes restricting any effective ‘capitalism’ that may have been going on in the economy. All this is in addition to the fact that Hitler had restricted Germany’s trade with the world (“international-Jewish-finance” as he called it), severely limiting capitalism. We have the destruction of trade unions (both capitalist and Marxist in nature) and their replacement with the state. Therefore, what we have here is a planned socialist economy, not capitalism.
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I apologise, but I am getting a lot of negative comments saying similar things, and with a lot of them it's clear that they've done no reading on the subject and have just heard from others (usually leftists on Reddit) what they (mistakenly) believe Rand or the libertarians say.
So what I do is create videos explaining things, or talking about subjects, and I bring up points from various different sources, some I agree with and others I don't.
I then get told I'm wrong. But not just wrong, that I don't know what I'm talking about. And not just that, but that I've done no reading. And not just that I've done no reading, but that I'm "insane". And not just that I'm insane, but that I should stop making certain types of videos because I'm bad at those particular types of videos, but somehow really good with the other types, despite the fact I'm using the exact same method of history with them.
So I think to myself: clearly these people are mistaken. I'll try to explain. But they don't listen and double down, calling me all sorts of names... So I think, okay I'll provide a ton more evidence and go further in-depth with my explanations... Nope, doesn't work. These "critics" are just so set in their mistaken beliefs that no amount of evidence or logic will possibly get through to them.
And then I realise what the problem is: I'm dealing with the loud, unruly pupils at the back of the class who are ruining it for the rest of us. So then I think: oh well, may as well talk down to them like the children they are.
And the funny thing is, my regular viewers are complaining that I'm not making content for them. And they're right, I'm mainly making content in the hope that I get through to the people who are unwilling to listen. But I can't help but hope that I eventually get through to one or two of them... And I somewhat hope that the more I annoy them, the more they'll go "I'll show him" and then actually start to read the books they've been avoiding for so long.
Does that make sense?
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Elbuggo, Suvorov's thesis makes no sense. Glantz wrote a book called "Stumbling Colossus" which explains why the idea doesn't work. For a few pages in "When Titan's Clashed" Glantz also explains why it doesn't make sense either. And anyone who's actually read anything other than Suvorov's texts would know that the Red Army was absolutely not in a position to attack in 1941. It could barely defend itself, and indeed, didn't.
Also, while the Red Army did begin to grow from 1937, this was in response to German and Japanese militarism. German spending on their army grew from 1% of national spending in 1933 to 10% in 1935. This was the fastest growth in military spending for any country at peace in history. The Germans were mobilising much earlier, and Japan was at war throughout the 1930's. WW2 for Japan began in 1937, so it makes sense for the Soviets to be mobilizing.
In 1941, the German Army outnumbered the Soviets. Entire Wehrmacht strength was 7,309,000 on the 22nd of June 1941, with 3,118,910 on the Eastern Front. With Axis Allies, the total on the Eastern Front was 3,957,910. The Soviets had 4,901,800 men, with 2,743,000 on the Eastern Front. They were outnumbered! And caught completely by surprise, which explains why the Germans did so well in the early part of Barbarossa.
Numbers come from Glantz, D. “When Titan’s Clashed.” University Press of Kansas, 2015. Table N Comparative Strengths of Combat Forces, Soviet German Front 1941-1945.
And I've done one video on Suvorov's thesis already, with more to come. Suvorov based his ideas on distorted evidence, as I showed when looking at Keitel's memoirs (which Suvorov used, and the video explains why he shouldn't be trusted). Link https://youtu.be/TyANHGWbUHA
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@saltmerchant749 "By and large we had an "unenforced regulated private rail concession operator economy" to be specific."
Except it was enforced and it was regulated. 'Private' companies were allowed to rent the use of State lines, but the State dictates almost every aspect of their operation. As I said, Virgin was forced to grant pensions as dictated by the State, then couldn't increase fares to compensate, which then gets blamed on the private company rather than the State which created the problem in the first place.
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"This case is something of a rare example for regulations actually being enforced, something successive governments have been reticent to do."
So you're saying there's no minimum wages, no price/fare controls, no regulations, no forced pensions, no restrictions on who can build train stations and train lines, manipulated interest rates, easy 'credit' and magic money printer going brrr etc? I'm afraid I do not agree with your assessment of the issue. The State was always in charge of the railways during the so-called 'privatization' period.
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"I make no excuses for the train wreck that is Network Rail and their prominent role in decay and delay of rail in the UK. But many operators would disavow themselves of their own role in the collapse of their service by hiding behind network rail."
I'm not saying the train operators were squeaky clean. But I am saying that this wasn't in any way, shape or form a privatized rail network because Network Fail (and the State as a whole) was the puppet master pulling the strings.
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@dodolipet9404 "The communism and the capitalism are two side of the same coin, it means the communism and capitalism they are same looking for money, for profit, and the communism after take over the government, they always betray the worker class."
Communism (Marxist-Socialism) isn't looking for profit. It rejects profit, as it did in real life. They always betray the worker class, but that has nothing to do with profit. Capitalism and Marxist-Socialism are polar opposites.
"The Nazi or NSDAP not looking for money, they looking for more production and the reproduction or increased the population, so thats way they need lebensraum or living space in the east area."
That's not true. They needed living space because they were unwilling to trade (capitalism) with the other big powers for resources (Autarky). They therefore rejected capitalism, which then forced them to find new markets and resources, hence why they went East (as described in Mein Kampf and Hitler's Second Book). The rejection of capitalism in a small country (Germany) meant that they had to find resources, which is why they went to war. For the Soviet Union, they had the resources, which is why theirs lasted longer. But in order to make both of their socialisms work, National Socialist Germany and the Marxist-Socialist Soviet Union had to enslave huge portions of their populations, and steal wealth from their enemies (the bourgeoisie and Jews).
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There's two ways to look at it.
1. since Fascism is socialism on the national level, every Marxist-Socialist nation-state in history has technically been Fascist because they all failed to ignite world revolution (except maybe the EU, since that is technically international).
2. Fascism is for the nationality, not the class. So while Marxist-Socialist states did fail to be international, they weren't Fascist because they still believed in class, not nationality.
However, on a practical level, there's not much difference between Fascist and Marxist states, except the people who are persecuted. This is why there are comparisons of Hitler's regime and Stalin's regime - because they are (arguably) quite similar in a lot of ways. Interestingly, Marxist states tend to kill more than Fascist states, and National Socialist states (Third Reich) tend to kill more in a shorter-space of time than Marxist states. Mussolini doesn't seem to have killed many people at all, at least prior to WW2.
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I was researching the origins of the Holocaust, and decided to read Mein Kampf, which I hadn't read before because I had been told by my history teachers not to bother. So as I was reading it, I got to understand Hitler's reasons for his nationalism, and his racism, but I didn't understand how he could justify calling his party "socialist". I expected to find the whole "I only put socialism in the name to trick the workers", but that's not what I read. This is what I read:
"The racial Weltanschauung [world view] is fundamentally distinguished from the Marxist by reason of the fact that the former recognizes the significance of race and therefore also personal worth and has made these the pillars of its structure. These are the most important factors of its Weltanschauung.”
“If the National Socialist Movement should fail to understand the fundamental importance of this essential principle, if it should merely varnish the external appearance of the present State and adopt the majority principle, it would really do nothing more than compete with Marxism on its own ground. For that reason it would not have the right to call itself a Weltanschauung. If the social programme of the movement consisted in eliminating personality and putting the multitude in its place, then National Socialism would be corrupted with the poison of Marxism, just as our national-bourgeois parties are.” - Hitler, Main Kampf, pages 406-407.
In other words, the only difference between Marxism and National Socialism is that the National Socialists believe in the racial class rather than the class class. Hitler was a racial socialist, not a class socialist. Otherwise, there was no difference between the two ideologies.
In that instant, I realized that racism was a version of Socialism. A race is a social group, just like the working class is a social group. So if it's okay for the workers to murder and steal off the bourgeoisie, then why is it not okay for the Nazis to do the same to the Jews? I obviously, and instantly, realized that it wasn't okay for the Nazis to steal off the Jews, and put two and two together, that it also wasn't okay for the workers to steal off the capitalists. I then made the connection that the same arguments used against the Jews were the same arguments used against the bourgeoisie, and realized that all socialism is about dividing society and exploiting that division. That's how I accidentally took the red-pill.
Later I then read up on Capitalism, and also made the connection that all socialism was racist, since (according to Marx) the bourgeoisie were the Jews https://youtu.be/rZh01xRO_Qg
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I worked 69.75 hours on this channel last week, and that's not including all the time I took to learn German on the side. I've averaged 73.9 hours a week since I went full-time on YouTube in April. Eye-strain is killing me, and my sleep has been affected, which has hurt my concentration. So it's a knock-on effect. Plus, I was rushing to edit Crusader, which was why I wanted to make a short video this week. Therefore, I can see why I made such a stupid error. I know that once I get to about episode 4 or 5 of Crusader, it'll be a ton of editing, so I need to be ahead before I hit that part... that's why I sort-of rushed this week's video and thus, in hindsight at least, it's not surprising to me now that I made a mistake. But I will correct it and move onto Crusader
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"+TIK your definition of Socialism ( the Government does stuff - in the sense that you used it as in intervening in the economy rather than organising eg. raindancing or prayer sessions ) applies to Every Liberal Democracy Ever."
Oh, you're finally getting it! Yes, it does. Unlike your definition, which excludes any socialism that failed as "not real socialism".
Again, to quote from Wikipedia - "There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them,[13] though social ownership is the common element shared by its various forms."
In National Socialist thinking, Aryans (the social-bit) seized the means of production from the Jews, and now owned the economy (social ownership), then self-managed the means of production. By doing so, they had to rid the Jews from society - so, their removal of the Jews from society is evidence of their socialism.
"Hitler changing the definition means Hitler wasnt a socialist"
Nope, it means he wasn't Marxist - which he said plenty of time he wasn't.
"Social-Democracy isnt socialist"
Yes it is.
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I've read a little more on this Tommy guy. For starters, the guy has been in and out of jail constantly, and his views are extreme. The fact that you mentioned the US-influenced far-right news organisation (Breitbart London, which again, I'd never heard of) should give you a clue to the nature of this guy's political stance. He was found recording the trial and sending that recording on, which is a big no-no. Looking at his history, the guy is clearly a trouble maker.
You also have to remember that a lot of the most vocal people on the internet, and the people who run British media as a whole, are right-wing and hold far-right views. The backlash in the comment sections of some of my videos is proof of that! People are calling it unjust (their opinion) that he was just arrested and sentenced so quickly. Except he admitted his guilt straight away, so is it really that unjust? Those people saying it was unjust are pushing their agendas. Therefore I would encourage you to take everything you hear about this with a pinch of salt, and remember that in politics everyone's biased in some way or other and are pushing agendas.
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People are already accusing me of being a fascist, a nazi, a communist, a socialist, a "libtard", pro-German, anti-German, pro-Soviet, anti-Soviet, anti-Russian, pro-British, anti-USA, pro-USA, and I've got one Nazi currently calling me a "Jewish shill". But names will never harm me.
The only reason I covered the Nationalsocialism ideology is because I was doing research for the Holocaust videos I've committed to covering. I cannot cover it if I don't understand Nazi ideology or the Nazi economy. While I haven't made videos on the topic recently, my research has continued. The criticism has compelled me to look into every aspect of National-Socialism, Marxist-Socialism, Fascism, and the rise of Hitler, plus the workings of the Nazi economy. Some of this I've looked into before, but I'm going deeper. If I can't prove what Nationalsocialist ideology was all about, and show how it manifested itself in the economy, I cannot cover the Holocaust.
Those who criticised me didn't even engage in "debate". But I've learned my lesson. I have a plan. It's a long-term plan which will take a while to take effect, but it'll place them in an unwinnable position (like the criticism to this video/the other Pienaar one).
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It's fine, you're entitled to your opinion! I do get annoyed with some of the Socialist Romancer comments because usually they swear at me or call me names etc, but if someone disagrees with me about Socialism, that's not an issue at all :)
Back in the day when I first started on the socialism topic, a lot of socialist commentators told me that I was an idiot for reading Mises and Rothbard, and told me and others not to read such "rubbish". Interestingly, I hadn't actually read Mises and Rothbard at that point (I've only just recently managed to get to Rothbard!). I had independently come to my conclusions about Hitler's Socialism by simply reading Mein Kampf. However, I don't know about you, but when someone tells me not to do something, I do it. (And when someone tells you to do something, I always don't, because that's just me.) So I did start reading them, and I now know exactly why the socialists were telling me not to read them - because socialists have nothing that can stand up to their arguments.
If you've read Hazlitt's "Economics in One Lesson" first, then I have another book to suggest for you. I know it's not an easy read, but I would recommend you download the free pdf of Mises's book "Socialism". It pretty much spells out exactly why socialism can't work in the real world. Here's the link https://mises.org/library/socialism-economic-and-sociological-analysis
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Kevin, yes I studied history at both college and university (different here in the UK). Everyone is biased. Some have agendas or ulterior motives - and that's bad. But everyone is biased and they can't help it. For example, if you can only speak one language, that's bias because you can't access all the sources. Or even if you could read all the sources, it doesn't mean you could possibly read all of them. There is also the subconscious biases like nationality, or conscious ones like politics etc. Really, there's no getting away from bias, which is why I'd recommend reading (or watching) widely on the subject in order to circumvent it.
However it's obvious when agendas creep into the text. For Market Garden, anyone looking to publish in the US avoids placing the blame on the failure at Nijmegen (including the majority of British sources). This is despite the fact that blame could still be placed at Browning's door. But I suspect the reason is because once you open that door it's hard to close it.
Luckily, not everyone has an agenda. But again, the best way to figure out agendas is to read more than one book on the subject, preferably one which contradicts the other's view so that you can come to your own conclusions.
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Name one country that has no taxation, no monopoly on law and order, no regulations, no centralised school system, no state owned companies or media, no nationalized roads or railways, no wage controls or price controls, no national military, no central bank and fiat currency, but one that uses gold (which is money/capital) and has a free market. When you point that country out to me, then that will be your capitalist state. https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
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"That's simply false. It was Hoffmann who said "Hitler always condemned these acts of violence and the individual excesses that occured." This is not Irving distorting history, its what the first-hand witness himself said... Irving is not changing the evidence he is quoting the primary source material, which says that Hitler condemned violence against the Jews - an exceptional position to be taking at a time when the almost the entirety of Europe was rife with anti-semitic hatred. So when Irving states that Hitler was a friend of the Jews he does so as a professional historian recording the astonishing first-person testimony of the primary source to the actual events in question."
1. Hofmann said more than that. Previously, Hofmann made it clear that Hitler was only condemning the acts of criminal violence, not the political acts of violence. That's the key point, because when Hofmann says Hitler is condemning the "individual excesses that occurred" he is quite clearly incorrect.
2. Irving did distort history - as I said, he completely invented the idea that Göring was there! He also selectively quoted from Hitler, removing the part where Hitler said "By doing this [removing the party badge] you admitted that you did not belong to the party at the moment when you committed that act." This gives the false impression that Hitler condemned the act of violence, rather than condemning the removal of the badge.
3. The witness was a Nazi, and his bias was evident enough for his views to be dismissed in court. Again, I said this in the video you quite clearly didn't watch fully, or if you did, you didn't pay proper attention to.
4. He quoted from the primary source, but misquoted it, and distorted its meaning.
5. Hitler didn't condemn violence against the Jews - he promoted it. If he didn't, then you and Irving are saying that Hitler wasn't a National Socialist, since National Socialism demands the removal of the Jews from society, as laid out by Hitler in Mein Kampf - “The nationalization of the masses can be successfully achieved only if, in the positive struggle to win the soul of the people, those who spread the international poison [i.e. the Jews] among them are exterminated.” - Hitler Mein Kampf, P307.
6. When Irving says Hitler was a friend of the Jews, he's wrong. Hitler was calling for their extermination (see the above Mein Kampf quote). It is not "professional" to misquote and distort history like that.
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I mostly relied on Leidtke in this video. I understand that the Germany Official History states other things, but I'm not convinced in this case that their statistics are accurate. According to the official history, total German manpower deficit in the East between December 1941 and April 1943 was 714,935 (I've just crunched the numbers so apologies if it turns out to be out slightly), but according to Glantz in When Titan's Clashed the German army in the East was 2,700,000 men in December 1941, and 2,732,000 men in April 1943. Therefore it actually increased by 32,000 men, at a time when the official history says it should have decreased by 714,935.
I think this can be explained by the "wounded" figures. It's similar to the tank "strengths" the Germans recorded. The Germans record tank strenght by those in the field, not by those damaged (in a lot of cases, for minor repair issues) that are sat in the repair shops. And they list tank "losses" only if the tank is written off completely, to make it look like they're taking fewer losses than they actually were. But in the manpower situation, it seems they're recording sick and wounded, but then not saying they've gone back to the front - which as I've just shown above, leads to problematic discrepancies in the statistics.
Therefore, right or wrong I'm using Liedtke. And I'm sorry if that turns out to be an issue. If I have come to the wrong conclusion as a result of bad statistics (if proven) I will make a correction-video.
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Our current economy is flooded with excess currency emitted from the central banks. Corporations are making profits by not actually producing anything of value, but merely because people keep throwing their cash at them on the stock market in the hope they'll make profit in the future. That's why the recent sell off happened. The central bank reduced their printing (they didn't stop it, just slowed it down) and the bubble started to pop. So yes, big corporation executives are paying themselves huge bonuses because they're getting wealth from the central banks, not because the businesses are profitable. It's all debt.
Small businesses are what run the economy. They're not reliant on extra currency printing. In fact, currency printing hurts them as it's a hidden tax on them and their workers. In a recession, all companies (but especially the big ones) should lower costs, including labour costs. This will result in more people getting back to work, and thus get everything running again. Sadly, minimum wages and similar regulations and wage laws prevent this from happening, prolonging the recession.
See this article https://mises.org/wire/here-we-go-again-fed-causing-another-recession
And for full details, read Murray Rothbard's America's Great Depression https://mises.org/library/americas-great-depression
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"@TIK so de Gaulle with his "Dirigisme" is socialist. And every war economy in WWII."
Socialism is common control of the means of production. The state is the manifestation of that common control (that's why it's called the Public Sector). If industries are owned or controlled by the government, that is socialism. Capitalism is private ownership (meaning individuals can do what they want with their own property). If the state is dictating to the private individual what he can or cannot do with this property or means of production, then it's no longer capitalism.
"German companies didn't become state-owned. Instead they become huge contractors of the state,"
That's incorrect. The state was in total control of those companies, to the point that wages, prices, orders and resources were dictated by the state. If you wanted additional workers, you went through the state. If you wanted foreign currency, you had to bribe state officials. If you wanted permits, you had to go through the state. Thus, socialism.
Recommended reading: "The Vampire Economy", and "Wages of Destruction".
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"every single time the free market was implemented or came to be naturally the effects I described have occurred throughout history."
Name a single time when we've had a free market, and I'll show you taxation, regulation, inflation, wage controls, price controls, interest rate manipulations, and state intervention in the market.
It's true that "real socialism has never been implemented", but it has been tried. Some countries tried to implement some free market principles, and did WAY better than their competition. It's the reason why the modern world ended up being far richer than anything else beforehand. However, we've forgotten the principles that made economics work, and now we're sliding back into a totalitarian cesspool.
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"this can be traced back long before states even existed and can also be observed in natural systems free of any states or economic systems."
Are you suggesting that cavemen had money and private property? They didn't have a free market. 'Capitalism' in any sense of the term was not created in prehistoric times.
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"also id like to point out that my previous comment was apparently deleted"
It looks like it's there now? But I'm not deleting comments. YouTube does automatically delete comments though, or hides them.
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First, I'm not a libertarian, nor dumb, and the fact you've all descended to the level of dogs in this discussion is evident that you're not thinking.
A person's upbringing has more of an impact on their character than their "ethnicity". A person's gender has more of an impact on their personality than their "skin colour". Their education, their hobbies, their interests, their religion and ideology, philosophy, parenting, friendships, access to information, employment, and a host of other factors, are all more important than their biology.
It is the human mind that makes us human. The mind is individual, not collective. There is no biological evidence for a spiritual collective mind that determines out thoughts, and it's ridiculous that you're asserting that there is.
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"He have obvious Conservative, Centar Right personal political attitude and approach in his videos."
I'm not a Conservative (what I call "Commieservative") and I'm not on the political spectrum, since the entire political spectrum is pro-State.
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"Tik is also sometimes very anti fashist, anti comunist, anti leftist, anti Woke in his reviews. It's unnecessary and not a point to be "anti" yet to be realistic and objective."
Fascists, Communists, Leftists and the Woke are all Subjectivists. They're all Platonists. They are anti-Reason, anti-Logic, and anti-Objectivity. They reject evidence and reality, favouring emotions and belief. So to state that I'm not objective whilst saying I'm against irrational Subjectivism is simply nonsense.
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If you raise wages, employers can't hire as many employees, which not only reduces production (making everyone poorer), but also creates mass long-term unemployed.
Similarly, if you keep prices artificially low (price controls), you reduce the amount of money being made by the producers. This means they have less incentive to produce the goods you want, instead turning to other goods that are not being restricted. If they do stick to producing the original goods now under price controls, they'll have no choice but to reduce the quality of the goods, and cut corners. Or lay off staff etc. Thus, price controls reduce production (making everyone poorer), and shift production away from goods that are needed to goods that aren't needed.
For further information on this dynamic, I recommend the books "Economics in One Lesson" by Henry Hazlitt, and "Basic Economics" by Thomas Sowell.
But bottom line: if you're wanting to help the poor, restricting prices and raising wages actually hurts the poor, which is why the Establishment are constantly trying to convince you that this is the correct policy (it benefits the Elite if you remain poor).
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"Its easy for us, 70 yrs hence, to point out "well, you should have done this or that","
But, thinking objectively, aren't you doing the same by defending Churchill's actions?
"and easy to pick out voices from that era who support that contention."
Feel free to pick out voices from that era who support Churchill's actions. In fact, this is exactly what historians do. Then we can have a debate (historiography).
I would warn you though, all the historians of the North African Campaign (see the pinned comment for the list of sources) I can find are either neutral or critical of Churchill. Plus, we know that Dill was supportive of the idea, so if you do find supporters, it will probably be wise to start with Churchill's biographers (who will be biased in favour of Churchill, will be using 70 years of hindsight, as well as selective sources to support their views).
And luckily for me, all that matters right now is that Churchill did put pressure on the Commanders in North Africa, not whether he was right or wrong to do it. But it will be a great debate to come back to in the future, so I'll make a note of it.
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"No problems with visual/audio quality, and certainly not content" - Well, that's a relief! I put a LOT of effort into making sure this one was as top-quality as possible, and I don't want a repeat of Brevity.
"Very good analysis of the strategic situation. I do wonder what the Germans/Italians could have done to ameliorate the situation in the Mediterranean, given their supply problems and lack of domestic resources."
We'll be revisiting the German-viewpoint in video 4 (if my current plan stays as it is, which it might not). Other than taking Tobruk, or giving more oil to the Italian navy so it could actually fight the way, its not clear. They could have used the French ports in Tunis, if they could persuade the Free French to give them access. But then that would have required more trucks to ship supplies to the front, so it's still a bad situation to be in.
"Based on your description, I can't decide whether I like Wavell or Auchinleck more."
Auckinleck's performance during Crusader is good. I've heard his future battles didn't go so well, but how much of that is directly his fault remains to be seen. I do agree that Wavell's relief was not justified, although he may not have had the nerve to stand up to Churchill as much as Auchinleck did.
"I'm already hungry for next week's video. Think of a hungry child who sees the biscuit jar and wants to gorge himself. ;)"
So am I! I've started recording the audio, but got a lot of editing to do to get it done for next week since it's probably going to be twice as long as this video :)
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You expect me to mention logistics in the first 7 minutes? There's a reason this video is 44 minutes long - and could have been longer - because there's no way I could possibly mention every factor in this war. But since you want logistics, I'll give you some now.
Logistics played a big part in the German defeat in 1941. The first three weeks of Barbarossa saw the Germans get roughly half-way to Moscow. It then took them a few more months to cover the rest of the distance. The reason being, just like on their way to Stalingrad in 1942, is that they had to stop-start stop-start their Bewegungskrieg due to (mainly) their poor logistics. While "Blitzkrieg" had its advantages, it was also poor on the logistical side, which the Germans never mastered. This was made worse by the poor roads in Russia, different guage railways, and the vast distances. Weather also played its part later.
However, by the same token, the Soviets were also suffering from serious logistical issues in 1941. At the battle of Dubno-Brody (I talk about it here https://youtu.be/nA2286viUyw) 2,000 Soviet tanks break down on the way to the battlefield due to lack of fuel, mechanical failures, lack of spare parts etc, and those that did make it sometimes ran out of ammunition.
So to say that the Germans were suffering from poor logistics isn't that good of an excuse since the Soviets were too. To say that "General Winter" only affected the Germans is a poor excuse too, since that affected the Soviets too.
And its not like the Germans didn't know about the poor Russian roads, or the different guage railways, or the vast distances. This was why they planned for a short knock-out war. Unfortunately, the Germans deemed the Soviets as inferiors in every respect and, in their poor planning, didn't consider what would happen if the Soviets weren't knocked out quickly and decided to continue the fight. The fact was that, despite the initial advantages I outlined towards the end of the video (surprise attack, unprepared enemy etc), the Germans squandered these advantages in their arrogance.
This arrogance is what's leading to certain portions of the viewers of this video believing that the Germans were superior. However, you and I both know people in real life who think they're superior to everyone else but who actually have several deep flaws that impact the things they do. People like that often can't see the error of their ways, and it's the same here. The German generals believed the Soviets were inferior, even though they were beaten numerous times on the battlefield. Even when they won (1941) they paid heavily for their success, one way or another. The fact remains that the "greatest army in WW2" lost to the Soviets. And as shown in the video, the reason wasn't because they were drowning in Soviet rifles and tanks.
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Germany had the strategic advantage, was fully mobilized, had initial surprise, troops all in place, they outnumbered the Soviets (initially), they had a new-tactic (Blitzkrieg/Bewegungskrieg or "war of movement") that had already proven deadly to the Western Allies. They gained almost total air superiority on day one, and hit an enemy that was stretched thin along the border (Soviets were still mobilizing and didn't yet have enough troops to cover the front) that was ordered not to retaliate, fought against obsolete tanks, with little to no maintenance facilities to repair or keep them in the field so they all broke down (again, still mobilizing), who had motorized divisions without trucks (yep, they were less mobile than regular infantry divisions because at least they were provided with horses and wagons to pull their artillery), with poor logistics (still mobilizing), and whose industries would have to be torn down brick by brick and shipped to the east on trains that should have been delivering supplies and reinforcements to the front. It's obvious that no army in the world would have done well under these conditions.
And yet, despite the terrible inital losses, the Soviets survived, fought back, and pulled it back to 3 to 1. That's not bad when you consider the circumstances in 1941.
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The first thing they teach you at university is never trust Wikipedia. People can write what they want on it, and they don't often link to good sources. However -
(All this information comes from The Price of Victory - see description)
Approximate number of men who served in the Wehrmacht throughout WW2 - 18 million (varies slightly depending on source)
As shown in the table at 12:31, the number of men on both sides of the conflict at certain times of the war. (it never exceeded 3.5 million Germans)
Number of casualties in the Wehrmacht in WW2 on the Eastern Front - 4,941,600
Number of casualties of the Axis in WW2 on the Eastern Front - 5,980,300
The Soviets mobilized a total of 25,024,500 men during the war (does vary depending on source used)
Number of casualties in the USSR in WW2 on the Eastern Front - 14,534,600
Number of casualties in the USSR+Allies in WW2 on the Eastern Front - 14,654,000
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I've made the distinction multiple times. They're not just rejecting it over that, they're rejecting it because they believe I've fallen for Nazi propaganda, and that Hitler really was a capitalist who tricked the workers into voting for him. This is why they're not even listening or watching the videos I've made, they're just screaming and laughing at me for being so dumb.
This is why it's depressing. What's the point of doing so much work, and reading so many books, and putting hundreds of references into multiple hours of video, if it's just going to be dismissed as a crackpot theory? It all feels like a complete waste of time, which isn't helping the burnout I'm suffering from. Worse, they're now making stuff up about me, calling me an antisemite etc, which is obviously dangerous in today's political climate. There's some who have called me an antisemite over this video! They're out to get me cancelled, all because they're convinced in their religion. They are fools.
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If it's totally unwatchable, why have so many people watched it? It's actually got a surprisingly high watch ratio, meaning people are watching for longer than most videos. And many other commenters are saying they agree with me, or have opened their eyes. This suggests that the problem isn't that the video is unwatchable, but rather it's unwatchable for YOU. In other words, I've challenged your perception of the world, which has triggered you, and now you're upset because I've challenged your world view. My suggestion is that you calm down, and try to understand what I'm saying, and why I'm saying it. Even if you don't agree, you'll see a different way of looking at the world.
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"housing, healthcare, education, vehicles, taxes, water, power, heating, clothes, etc"
They're all commodities. If you want more of these, you increase production, innovation etc.
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@Николай Гончаров - Property rights were abolished on the 28th of February 1933 as part of the Reichstag Fire Decree. Private property didn't exist -
"The Nazis viewed private property as conditional on its use - not as a fundamental right. If the property was not being used to further Nazi goals, it could be nationalized.” - Temin, P. “Soviet and Nazi Economic Planning in the 1930s.” From The Economic History Review, New Series, Vol. 44, No. 4 (Nov., 1991), pp. 573-593 (21 pages). Jstor. P576
The state was in control of everything by law and physically, as the Nazi bureaucracy actually ran the businesses from within -
“We worked and governed with incredible elan. We really ruled. For the bureaucrats of the Ministry the contrast to the Weimar Republic was stark. Party chatter in the Reichstag was no longer heard. The language of the bureaucracy was rid of the paralysing formula: technically right but politically impossible.” - Schacht, speaking of the situation after 1933. Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112-113
By law, individuals couldn't own property. Therefore, they cannot own businesses. The 'privatization' that took place, in fact, is a slight of hand. And there are many instances where the government exercised their power by seizing a person's personal property or businesses - namely the Jews. The Nazis nationalized industries that didn't do as they insisted, then 're-privatized' them. But in reality those businesses could only function as part of the state, and were under control by the state, and weren't really owned by their owners.
Your original comment - "@TIK "it was not privatisation, just a slight of hand" - WOW, seems like we could teach you a few new tricks, am I right?"
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"Like private property. It is a feature set and guaranteed by your government. You cannot do what you want. You still have to follow the rules."
No, you're describing public property. Private property is property of the individual, who can do what he wants with his property. As soon as third parties start dictating what someone can or cannot do with his own property, it's no longer his property. Therefore it belongs to the community - the public - the state.
"You get rid of the government, no private property."
No, you get rid of the government and all you're left with is private property. The government is the "public" sector, and owns and controls "public" property and businesses. If the government owns or controls your property, it is no longer yours. Some governments do, by law, guarantee property rights. Others don't, or even abolish them, which reverts private property into the hands of the state - such as what Nazi Germany did on the 28th of February 1933.
"A policeman, a soldier, a fireman, a doctor provide a safe environement for the busenesses to thrive."
Arguably the soldier, policeman and fireman do provide a _service_, but the doctor doesn't provide a safe enviroment. They still don't produce anything though. Still, you can do all that without the government. If you use the government, you end up with politicians and bureaucrats, plus lots of inefficencies within the services, so it's better for the individuals or businesses to pay for these services directly than go through an inefficient governmental system.
"A teacher, a road repairer, they increase the skill level, the transport quality. All this increase the productivity of the rest."
Yes, so you should pay them directly rather than paying for administrators, city planners, civil servants, local council members, politicians, bureaucrats, advisors, executives, staffs...
"All this increase the productivity of the rest."
Yes, but not if you pay them through a third-party - a government.
"I'm disapointed by the quality of the content of this video. You could have asked more of your famous question: "Bus is it really the case?""
No, I looked at the claim that social (public, state) ownership of the means of production was somehow more efficient than private owernship of the means of production. I asked "but is this really the case?". I've done the research and found that actually it isn't, and that social ownership actually leads to a decrease (or decline in potential) in living standards, which is backed up by many historical examples.
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"What do we do with low skill workers when there is automation that replaces low skill job? The solution cannot just be to send them to school, not all can afford/study/work for a higher skill job. Hence, the software question and the low/high tier question."
All automation does is reduce the number of bad jobs. But it saves the consumer money which they then spend elsewhere, creating more jobs. The same will happen when the robots take over. We might not need to be coal-miners or taxi-drivers (tired, can't think of bad jobs), but we will find new jobs that do require humans. That might be more entertainment jobs, or education jobs, or service jobs, or intellectual jobs, or space jobs, or whatever. I can't predict the future, but I think it would be pretty silly to stop working because we will lower our own living standards as a result.
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"Other question: Your Bakery example only covers low skill jobs, how about high skill jobs such as: Doctors, engineers, scientist, etc."
Doctors do produce goods. In this case, their production is health. They can produce more health thanks to innovations, discoveries, inventions, research... For example, new drugs are coming into play all the time. I actually have the perfect videos for you right here https://youtu.be/0uPdkhMVdMQ and https://youtu.be/6-Vqjo2S1us The first one shows how they're able to perform twice as many surgeries per day than their competition, as a result of higher efficiency (essentially increased production).
Engineers and scientists also produce goods. Etheir physical products, inventions, designs or scientific papers. Look at Tesla or SpaceX. Musk has reduced the cost of launching a rocket from $400 million (what Nasa pays for its rockets) to ~$50 million (SpaceX). While not there yet, imagine if he got the price down to say $1000. Would that make the consumer happy?
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[Part 2]
"I came into this, seeing you as an authority on these matters."
Really? You saw me as an authority, but then decided to troll me in the comments, mock me and insult me? And you thought this was acceptable human behaviour?
And yes, after quickly realizing that getting through to you and wannabchomsky wasn’t going to happen, and that you two were just trolling, I started responding with sarcasm, and telling people to ignore you.
I have been tempted (especially because others have asked me to shut you two up) to silence both of you in the comments. The only reason I haven’t is because a shadow-ban is the only mass-option YouTube gives us creators, and it would delete all your previous posts, which I don’t want. I want a free DEBATE in the comments, and I don’t want to have to silence anyone. But, a debate is not an insult-fest, and you two have started trolling and insulting each and every single person that comes into the comments. This is obvious not nice for those who are here to learn or even think. It gives a bad impression of the channel, and I don’t want that, since most of my viewers are reasonable human beings who are quite knowledgeable about history. Your mocking remarks definitely don’t give off that impression to newcomers, and so I have been tempted to just remove you. I don’t want to have to do that. You’re lucky that I’ve developed an epic patience as a result of working in retail and dealing with idiots on a day to day basis, because I think most creators on this platform would have lost their nerve by now.
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“I'm not joking, not saying that for a response, I am serious. I actually respected the work you did. But then, you did this shit.”
What? I made multiple videos detailing in depth arguments, using over 100 sources, 350 references, and a host of quotes, to show exactly why Hitler was a Socialist, and you think this was “shit”? YOU HAVEN’T EVEN WATCHED IT. Those that have – even those that still disagree – don’t think it was “shit”. Those few Socialists that got through it and listened to what I said, admitted that they needed to create new arguments because, as the title of the video makes clear, their old arguments don’t work any more. Those Socialists who got through this did not describe this video as “shit”.
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“You made up insults, you attributed labels you cannot quantify and you went too far.”
I’ve only just called you an anti-Semite. You asked me to provide proof, and I showed my workings out (backed by sources). You’ve then dismissed this with dribble and false claims. I haven’t gone too far, I’m just stating the fact that Karl Marx was an anti-Semite, and that Socialism is inherently anti-Semitic.
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“With the faultiest argument you've made yet, you accuse two random people of being anti-semites.”
You’re not random. After all the comments you two have made in multiple videos of mine, I know you inside and out. A normal human being wouldn’t have been so upset about Hitler being a REAL National Socialist. Only Socialists would be. And you, and wannabchomsky, are clearly defenders of the faith of Socialism. That’s why you’re still defending anti-Semitism right now.
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“You literally have actual holocaust deniers that are running around, gaining actual support, in your comment section and we're the ones you chose to attribute that title, and time to?”
Yes, they’re called Marxists, who are denying that the Holocaust happened. That’s why I titled this video “Defeating the Denialist counter-arguments” and proceeded to address the anti-Semite Marxist arguments. Are you only just realizing this? Why do you think I titled the video this, for fun?
As I said IN THE VIDEO: if Hitler is a Capitalist, then the Holocaust didn’t happen, because there would be no reason for him to murder the Jews, and the free market didn’t cause the Holocaust. Hitler HAD to be a Socialist, and HAD to use the State (Socialism) to create death camps, in order for the Holocaust to happen. By denying Hitler’s Socialism, YOU are denying the Holocaust. AGAIN, if you had watched the video, you would have known this.
As for the National Socialists, they know that they are Socialists. That’s why I completely ripped into Socialism throughout the video, and also did a section called “National Socialism’s fundamental ideological flaw”, where I tore National Socialism apart. I even put a link to this section in the description. SOMEHOW, for someone who has apparently watched the video, you’ve missed this entire section? You also missed the sections on the Holocaust and why it had to have happened? But no no, you’ve definitely watched the video and aren’t talking complete rubbish. Give me a break.
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“Calling random people anti-semites, because they won't shut up, because they keep bothering you and you just want the "trolls" to stop and let this topic die so you can surround yourself with an echo chamber of those who agreed before even watching the video. You leveled a serious accusation, not for any real reason, but because we were pissing you off.”
That’s not the reason why! You are a Socialist, I’ve shown why all Socialism is anti-Semitism, and you’re now saying I’m only calling you anti-Semites because you’re trolling me. That’s incorrect. You’re anti-Semitic because you believe in the teachings of Socialism, which is fundamentally anti-Semtic.
Secondly, how is this an echo chamber? There’s plenty of people disagreeing with me. But somehow, this is an echo chamber. If you want an echo-chamber, go back to Twitter or Reddit. R/BadHistory will accept you.
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“I have to answer if you're the very post modernist you accuse us of being, as you seem to use terms not according to facts or reasoning, but according to your emotions, and how much we piss you off, so you can be justified in taking them out.”
Not once so far have you addressed the argument I’ve put forth, in both the video, nor this comment section where I’ve shown Socialism to be inherently anti-Semitic, as the ‘farther’ of Socialism himself has admitted. You have admitted that you trolled and mocked me. And you’ve falsely accused me of many things, including the latest one: promoting an echo-chamber in the comments. You refuse to accept evidence. You don’t provide evidence. You rely upon ad hominem attacks. But somehow, you have the nerve to say that you’re not post-modernists.
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“You know you can just... ignore us, right? Get back to your life?”
1. You can do the same. Wannebchomsky literally spams trollish comments for hours a day in my videos. It’s pathetic. I’m beginning to wonder if he’s a paid bot.
2. This is my job. And my job is a big part of my life. I cannot completely ignore two trolls spamming multiple comments per day.
“You have a career to destroy, after all.”
Go back to my first history documentary: Operation Market Garden. You’ll see that, right from the beginning, I came out against the Lamestream narrative and pointed out the flaws in the old arguments. People like that. Why? Because they know the old arguments are flawed. And history theory shows us that we have to iron out the flaws in the old narratives. That’s literally what a historian does. I’ve talked about this numerous times, and have even made a history theory video explaining this.
But you don’t know this because you don’t watch my videos. And you don’t understand basic history theory. In fact, you reject it. You make a mockery of it, just like you’ve made a mockery of free speech. This is why you’re postmodernists, which I’ve explained in this history theory video https://youtu.be/PvpJEc-NxVc
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“But in other words, yeah, any pretense of professionalism I had fooled myself into thinking you had, because of the youtube channel and previous work, is gone.”
What reason have you as an individual given me to care about you? You are a troll, who has insulted me, mocked me, spread lies and vicious false accusations about me in the comments of my videos, and done the same to other viewers. Why would any of this make me care about your opinion?
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“You're just another emotional idiot on the internet, who throws out words like they don't mean anything so they can feel justified in their irrational hatred of anyone who calls into question their beliefs”
You’re describing yourself.
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“I'm done for the night, but for a single bloody second, self reflect.”
I always self-reflect. That’s what I do. I always ask the question: but is this really the case? And now, I’d like you to do the same. Capitalism is evil: but is this really the case?
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“And I think that's the holocaust deniers calling you, so I don't want to keep you much longer. So long, TIK. See you for the next performative insult-fest tomorrow.”
And, in conclusion, nothing you have said in your comment has addressed a single thing I said. This is what I’m talking about – you spout rubbish, get called out for it, then cry that I’m not listening, when it is in fact YOU who isn’t listening to the evidence. Hopefully, one day, you’ll grow up and discover how to talk to other human beings with respect.
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Why are you anti-Semitic?
Well, you two are both Marxists. And Marx believed that -
“We discern in Judaism… a universal antisocial element of the present time.” - Marx, On the Jewish Question.
“What is the worldly cult of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly god? Money… Money is the jealous god of Israel, beside which no other god may exist.” - Marx,On the Jewish Question.
“Christ drove the Jewish money-changers out of the temple, and that the money-changers of our age enlisted on the side of tyranny happen again to be Jews is perhaps no more than a historic coincidence.” - Marx, On the Jewish Question.
Karl Marx is saying here that the people who trade goods for money (in other words, capitalists) are Jewish, and are on the side of “tyranny”. Yes, the reason he hates capitalists is because he thinks they’re Jewish, and the reason he hates Jews is because he thinks they are capitalists. And he says this again in his last book, Das Kapital:
“The capitalist knows that all commodities, however scurvy they may look, or however badly they may smell, are in faith and in truth money, inwardly circumcised Jews, and what is more, a wonderful means whereby out of money to make more money.” - Marx, Das Kapital, P107.
Karl Marx has said that the products of the Capitalist are "inwardly circumcised Jews". In other words, the offsprings of the Capitalists are "inwardly circumcised Jews", because they Capitalists are Jewish.
But why did Marx believe that? Well, Marx believed that Capitalists were the bourgeoisie (boroughs, townfolk) who practiced Usury (lending of loans and charging interest). Since Usury was banned by the Pope in the Dark Ages, and since Jews were not allowed to own land in Christian Europe, they were forced to live in towns and become "money changers". So, for Karl Marx, the bourgeoisie were the Jews. This was why the offspring of the bourgeoisie were "inwardly circumcised Jews".
And what did Karl Marx call for? Oh yes, that's right - REAL Socialism:
“As soon as society succeeds in abolishing the empirical essence of Judaism - huckstering and its conditions - the Jew becomes impossible, because his consciousness no longer has an object… The social emancipation of the Jew is the emancipation of society from Judaism.” - Marx, On the Jewish Question.
Karl Marx was calling for the removal of the Jews/Capitalists from Society. This will allow him to usher in Socialism.
ALL SOCIALISM IS ANTI-SEMITISM.
That is why, when I realized that Hitler was a Socialist, I realized the true nature of Socialism and what it was really calling for.
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"I don't understand, in particular why so few people see this and in particular why the Tory party are behaving as they are with regard to not nipping all this nonsense in the bud, allowing riots, violence and destruction, what are they about??"
Conservatism used to be the old Left-wing. In 1850, the Liberal Party (classical liberalism, capitalist, free trade etc) was on the Right-wing, and the Tory/Conservative Party was on the Left-wing. But then, for various reasons, the Liberal Party converted to Socialism (technically "New Liberalism") in the 1870's and 1880s. By the 1890s, they were basically Socialist, and were later replaced by the Labour Party. Politics in Britain/the UK shifted dramatically to the Left in the 1880s.
The point being that the Conservatives was never the free-market party in Britain. They were Left-wing, and still are. Yes, some Conservative politicians are small state, limited free market guys, and there's even some libertarians in there too, but the majority are not capitalist. The UK doesn't have a capitalist party. Not even the small ones that I've seen are capitalist, they're all socialist in one way or another.
The reason most people don't see it is for the same reason people don't know the difference between money and currency: the State schools them. The State doesn't want you to know about money, or think that capitalism is anything but evil, because it suits their agenda. If you knew what money was, you would be able to preserve some of your wealth. If you knew that capitalism was actually not evil, then you would begin to question the Politicians (Polis = city, as in city-State. All Politicians are Statists - since that is their job).
"Is all politics just a socialist trick and construction?"
In my opinion, politics and socialism are the same thing. Politics/Socialism envisions a centrally organized society where the many toil for the few at the top (the Political Social-Elites). Capitalism envisions an open economy, with no slavery, where every individual is free to work, earn and keep 100% of their wealth and spend it as they see fit.
Politicians and/or Socialists have convinced many people that Capitalism is slavery, is racism, is destined to fail, is evil, is the devil, etc, etc, etc... They have convinced many people that Socialism is freedom, is multicultural, is paradise, is the future, is progressive, etc, etc, etc... As George Orwell made clear, they have convinced you that:
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
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"@TIK "I said NOTHING about anything 'stolen'."YES you did. In your 2nd sentence! The same sentence that you used the term 'scroungers". Apparently you do not read what you write. I did."
Read what I wrote again. I was quoting you. You're the one who said "I said nothing about anything 'stolen'." You wrote that sentence, and I was quoting you. You're now saying that I said that. No, you did.
And I know you said about stealing because I explained it to you. Let me try and explain it again-
Socialism argues for the theft of property from the bourgeoisie (who Karl Marx identified as the Jews https://youtu.be/rZh01xRO_Qg ). You made it clear in your criticism - "Saint Bezos, patron saint of Capitalism, appears to be TIK's icon of innocence." - that you're against Capitalism. This means you're against the Jews, and for Socialism (which is inherently anti-Semitic). Whether you realize it or not, you're advocating for theft.
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"How ludicrous to conclude such a sweeping condemnation of someone whom you have no knowledge of. No basis to refer to me as anti-Semitic, 'socialist' and unemployed. Ignorance personified."
You hate Capitalism, which means you hate the Jews, as I've explained in this video that I linked to you https://youtu.be/rZh01xRO_Qg
In other words, anti-capitalism is anti-Semitism. You are being anti-capitalist, which means you're being anti-Semitic, whether you realize it or not.
And now you know why I'm no longer a socialist.
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"Lastly, it is the LOVE of money that is said to be the root of all evil. This is the grand failure of monopolistic capitalism."
But the love of money is not the root of all evil either. The entire idea that money, or the love of money, is bad, is simply false. And the reason people think the love of money is bad, is because the love of money is heavily associated with the Jews. To quote Karl Marx himself -
"Money is the jealous god of Israel, beside which no other god may exist.” - Karl Marx, "On the Jewish Question".
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In that History Theory video, you'll discover that the only way to get to the truth about history is to debate it. However, when one side (the Left) refuse to use reason, logic, evidence, facts or honest discussion, then they instantly render their arguments invalid... which is exactly what you're doing here.
I'm happy and willing to go back to believing in Socialism. You just need to convince me that Hitler isn't a Socialist. To do that, you need to tell me what the definition of Socialism is, and base that on evidence, reason, facts and logic. If your argument doesn't hold up (which it hasn't so far) then you will have lost the debate.
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You must remember that the State Central Banks are manipulating one half of every transaction through interest rate and printing "easy" currency. The result of this is the misallocation of scarce resources that have alternative uses, the impoverishment of the poor, the funnelling of currency to the rich, and the creation of bubbles that result in the boom and bust cycle. THIS is not only the main cause of recessions, depressions, and the impoverishment of the poor (as I've explained here https://youtu.be/X3L0_pjRdcs ) but is also the reason CEOs get "golden parachutes".
If you're thinking that the system we have today is "Capitalism", and think that I'm advocating for what we have today, you're badly mistaken. When one half of every transaction is controlled and manipulated by the Public Sector State Bank, we do not have a private sector. We do not have private property; you're just renting property off the government, which is why you pay tax on housing, cars and more. So questioning whether certain BIG monopoly corporations (corpse, body, organ, organs of the State - that's where the word comes from) are truly providing a service to people right now is correct - they're not. They're just getting "free" currency that's being stolen from the poor and redistributed to them via public taxes and public inflation. This is why actual capitalists (some socialists like Andrew Yang claim to be Capitalists so you have to be careful) are against Public Sector State Central Banks, and why Karl Marx called for State Banks in the Communist Manifesto - because Capitalists don't want to impoverish the poor.
The bottom line is this: we don't have Capitalism now, so complaining that Capitalism doesn't work by pointing at the problems of our current system, which is in reality public ownership and control of the means of production, is not going to work. A free market would be the solution to the problems we have today https://youtu.be/eyIfEpNfU2U
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Point to the part of the video where I said National Socialism and Soviet Socialism are indistinguishable. Oh that's right, I didn't say that. As I keep saying, this isn't Marxist-Socialism, but it is still socialism.
Also, saying that the Nazis didn't redistribute wealth is incorrect, as is the idea there was no social movement under the National Socialist regime which is what you're implying. I also explained why Hitler saw no need to get rid of businesses entirely, and made it clear that the state controlled businesses in the pinned comments. Hitler tanked the economy by 1934 by turning Germany into a centrally planned state. Pretending this is capitalism, doesn't make it capitalism.
And, if it is capitalism, explain how market forces and supply and demand resulted in the gas chambers at Auschwitz. In fact, this is a typical denialist arguement, and I get tons of comments saying that capitalism doesn't result in gas chambers. Well, this is because the denialists know that people have fundamentally misunderstood what National Socialism is. The reality was that racism alone doesn't explain it, there has to be a centralised state control mechanism to make it happen. You also require the incentive of wanting to "socialize" the people in order to create an Aryan state, and typical racism doesn't result in that. There's a difference between being racist, and being willing to murder millions people in murder factories. That difference is the idea that people are no longer individuals, but groups - a typical socialist viewpoint. They're no longer individuals, but 'workers' and 'managers' and 'upper class' and 'lower class' and various different racial groups. Groups don't need property and their lives are forfeit to the group, as both Hitler and Marx says. (Hitler says that they can keep their property, unless they're deemed unworthy by the state.) They're no longer people, but parasites. And this is why the Germans were willing to execute the Jews, because in their mind, their 'group' was the better than the other 'group'. That is their reasoning, and this is why the denialists get away with it because people haven't connected the dots between the Nationalism and the Socialism of National Socialism.
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"You have allowed the propagandistic redefinition of socialism and thus made all arguments null and void."
Socialism is the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). If this is not it, then please state your definition and tell me how it differs from capitalism, which is the private (individual, non-state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy).
"It has always had one through-line and that is worker ownership of the workplace."
Marxism is the social (worker's state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). Marxism is a socialism, but not the only type of socialism. You're using "socialism" to mean "Marxism", and this is where you're going wrong. They are not the same thing.
"This was not the project of the Nazis, therefore it was not socialism."
Nationalsocialism is the social (German/Aryan people's state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy).
"It really is that simple to debunk the entire video and every similar attempt."
Except, you haven't debunked anything. You've admitted you thought Marxism was the what socialism is, which is incorrect. Your definitions are muddled which is plaguing your analysis and undermines your entire argument.
"you mistakenly think that there is some clear and distinct difference between Nazism and fascism. There isn't."
Nationalsocialism is racial-socialism. Fascism is what I'm going to call 'nationality-socialism'. The first racial laws in Italy only came in 1938 after Mussolini was influenced by Hitler, prior to that, Mussolini wasn't interested in race. You could be Jewish, but as long as you were an Italian citizen and working for Italy, it didn't matter to Mussolini.
"In the most significant way, fascism is the collusion of corporation and state. This is a perfect description of Nazi Germany."
So what you're saying is that both Fascism and National-Socialism are moving towards state ownership of the economy? So both of these parties are socialist compared to the capitalist parties? Oh yes, that is exacly what you're saying, and exactly what I'm saying.
"Just because the Nazis also included an extreme emphasis upon the antisemitic element, really has little to do with the description given above. It fits the tendency to a tee."
Except the means of [destr]uction were owned by the state. The Holocaust is a massive example of state control of the means of the production (socialism). So yes, the antisemitic element is relevant because how Hitler decided to remove the Jews from his society wasn't through private ownership or market forces (capitalism) but by using the state (socialism) to artificially remove them from both the economy and society.
"By contrast, what happened in the USSR has a very particular name among socialists: State Capitalism."
So you're going to distort history now? Please explain to me how the Soviet Union allowed private ownership of the means of production?
"Well, capitalism is the capital owners having control of the workplaces. And in governments such as the USSR, the capitalists were just the central party managers. They separated the workers from control of their workplace. And thus, instead of simply calling this arrangement capitalism, it is called state capitalism."
Socialism is the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). What you've just described is state ownership. This was socialism, not capitalism. Again, your definition of socialism is mistaken and has no bearing on the historical reality.
Marxism (worker's state ownership) may have failed in the USSR, but the Soviet Union was absolutely state ownership and control of the economy. There's zero chance of denying that. Therefore it was socialist.
"I think, in a very significant way, the reason you have been fooled so thoroughly by this argument, is that you have accepted the false notion that "when the government does more things, it's more socialist.""
Socialism is the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy).
"As has been laid out extensively, this actually has a tendency of being LESS socialist and MORE capitalist, because it separates workers from ownership and management of their workplaces."
Capitalism is the private (individual, non-state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). Marxism is what you're describing, not socialism.
"That Hitler despises communism is an exact through-line to this fact."
Yes, Hitler was anti-communism.
"He exterminated socialists and communists alike, so that he could create propaganda to confuse people just in the precise way you are being confused in this video."
Hitler was pro-socialist and anti-communist. Again, you're confusing the terms, turning them into false 'Marxist' definitions and then accusing me of getting this wrong. The only reason people are confused is because, as I have discovered to my horror, they don't actually know the difference between socialism and capitalism. Again, capitalism is the private (individual, non-state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). Socialism is the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). If it is the social (worker's state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy), then it's Marxism (which is what you think 'socialism' is). If it is the social (German/Aryan people's state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy), then it is National Socialism.
"That's all. Bye."
No no, that's not all. Come back and define socialism and capitalism for me. If I've got it sooooooo wrong, tell me what the 'real' definition of socialism and capitalism is.
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"No they werent. You havent proven anything in this regard and just completly ignored my citations." "You still havent demonstrated how this was the case. I have explicitly shown you that private ownership skyrocketed under the nazi regime. You harping on about race is actually irrelevant since its not relevant to the structure of the economy. Banks didnt dissapear with the jews or did they?" - Kommentatus Cosades
The industries weren't under state control? Ok, I'll prove that they were. And I didn't ignore your citations, I said they're irrelevant, since 'privatization' didn't actually happen the way you think it did.
Sources will be listed at the end of my last post.
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28 February 1933 -
Order of the Reich President for the Protection of People and State
On the basis of Article 48 paragraph 2 of the Constitution of the German Reich, the following is ordered in defense against Communist state-endangering acts of violence:
§ 1. Articles 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124 and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. It is therefore permissible to restrict the rights of personal freedom [habeas corpus], freedom of (opinion) expression, including the freedom of the press, the freedom to organize and assemble, the privacy of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communications. Warrants for House searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.”
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Articles of the Weimar Constitution affected -
Article 115.
The dwelling of every German is his sanctuary and is inviolable. Exceptions may be imposed only by authority of law.
Article 153.
Property shall be guaranteed by the constitution. Its nature and limits shall be prescribed by law.
Expropriation [noun, the action by the state or an authority of taking property from its owner for public use or benefit.] shall take place only for the general good and only on the basis of law. It shall be accompanied by payment of just compensation unless otherwise provided by national law. In case of dispute over the amount of compensation recourse to the ordinary courts shall be permitted, unless otherwise provided by national law. Expropriation by the Reich over against the states, municipalities, and associations serving the public welfare may take place only upon the payment of compensation.
Property imposes obligations. Its use by its owner shall at the same time serve the public good.
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Both economic systems are the same. Politics (democracy vs authoritarian dictatorship) may be different, but ultimately the economics (socialism) are the same. Anti-private property, anti-choice for the individual, pro-state, high taxation, less inventive, less efficiency, less innovation, hurtful for all consumers, and completely unequal. If everyone is treated the same, we no longer have equal rights. I want to own the clothes on my back - nope, can't do that because that will make someone else poorer. Therefore, I can no longer have equal opportunities. We all must be brought down to the lowest common denominator. The state dictates what we can or cannot eat, what we can or cannot do, what we can or cannot say, what we can or cannot think... And we all must exist at the bottom, otherwise we risk "offending" the laziest member of our glorious society. That's not equality, that's slavery.
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Google’s definition of socialism - “a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.”
“any economic or political system based on government ownership and control of important businesses and methods of production” “an economic, political, and social system that is based on the belief that all people are equal and should share equally in a country's money:” https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/socialism
“1. any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods” “2. a system of society or group living in which there is no private property” “b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state” “: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done” https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism
“Socialism is a set of left-wing political principles whose general aim is to create a system in which everyone has an equal opportunity to benefit from a country's wealth. Under socialism, the country's main industries are usually owned by the state.” “1.
an economic theory or system in which the means of production, distribution, and exchange are owned by the community collectively, usually through the state. It is characterized by production for use rather than profit, by equality of individual wealth, by the absence of competitive economic activity, and, usually, by government determination of investment, prices, and production levels” “2. any of various social or political theories or movements in which the common welfare is to be achieved through the establishment of a socialist economic system” “3. (in Leninist theory) a transitional stage after the proletarian revolution in the development of a society from capitalism to communism: characterized by the distribution of income according to work rather than need”
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/socialism
“1 A political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.” “The term ‘socialism’ has been used to describe positions as far apart as anarchism, Soviet state Communism, and social democracy; however, it necessarily implies an opposition to the untrammelled workings of the economic market. The socialist parties that have arisen in most European countries from the late 19th century have generally tended towards social democracy” https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/socialism
“An economic system in which goods and services are provided through a central system of cooperative and/or government ownership rather than through competition and a free market system.”
http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/socialism.html
“Socialism, social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources. According to the socialist view, individuals do not live or work in isolation but live in cooperation with one another. Furthermore, everything that people produce is in some sense a social product, and everyone who contributes to the production of a good is entitled to a share in it. Society as a whole, therefore, should own or at least control property for the benefit of all its members."
https://www.britannica.com/topic/socialism
“Socialism started out being defined as “government ownership of the means of production,” which is why the government of the Soviet Union confiscated all businesses, factories, and farms, murdering millions of dissenters and resistors in the process. It is also why socialist political parties in Europe, once in power, nationalized as many of the major industries (steel, automobiles, coal mines, electricity, telephone services) as they could. The Labour Party in post-World War II Great Britain would be an example of this.” - Dilorenzo, T. “The Problem with Socialism.” Regnery Publishing, Kindle 2016.
“The great majority of those I have asked, all of them qualified to speak with authority, not only give a definition, but their definitions come remarkably close together.” - “Socialism is the public ownership and operation of all the means of production.” - “Socialism ... is the collective ownership, through the state, of all the means of production and distribution.” “Socialism… is a proposed reorganization of industrial society which would substitute for the private ownership of land and the instruments of production public ownership, and for the private direction and management of industry, direction and management through public officials.” - “...the common ownership and operation of substantially all productive instruments.” - “Socialism is the collective ownership and democratic management of the social means of production for the common good.” - “Socialism… is that contemplated system of society which proposes the abolition of private property in the great material instruments of production, and the substitution therefor of collective property; and advocates the collective management of production, together with the distribution of social income by society, and private property in the larger proportion of this social income.” - [And this just goes on and on like this, with numerous people from 1911 saying the exact same thing.] From “The American Economic Review, Vol. 1, No. 2, Papers and Discussions of theTwenty-third Annual Meeting (Apr., 1911), pp. 347-354”
The Labour Party 2017 manifesto’s motto is “For the Many: Not the Few”. https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/labour-manifesto-2017.pdf On Page 4 states - “Labour will invest in the cutting-edge jobs and industries of the future that can improve everybody’s lives. Which is why this manifesto outlines a fully costed programme to upgrade our economy.” “Labour will change the law so that banks can’t close a branch where there is a clear local need, putting their customers first.” - which will increase costs and lower competition, P16. “Reinstate the lower small-business corporation tax rate” - decreasing the chance of small businesses and start-ups, creating an economy, P18. “Widening ownership of our economy” - is the headline on Page 19, stating “Many basic goods and services have been taken out of democratic control through privatisation.” “Bring private rail companies back into public ownership…” “Reverse the privatisation of Royal Mail at the earliest opportunity.” “Public ownership will benefit consumers [by increasing costs and prices, lowering productivity, and increasing taxes for the consumer?], ensuring that their interests are put first and that there is democratic accountability for the service.” That sounds exactly like state control and ownership of the economy.
So, what we have here is a clear definition of socialism. Socialism is the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). This is opposite to capitalism, which is the private (individual, non-state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). Socialism involves the abolishment of private property, state ownership or control of the means of production, and leads to policies like Autarky, nationalisation, and collectivisation. But the principle element is state control of the means of production, which is where the term “public sector” comes into it.
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@ImaxNZ Yes, until you see his comment history. It's all "stick to Stalingrad and tanks", and insulting. Here's his previous comments:
"This is TK weakest tirade. Modern social democracy in the European Union is not equal to Nazism or Stalinism. Marx is garbage. Grow up TK. Move on."
"Tok describing his "illumination" using the vocabulary of those who believe cavemen cowboys rode dinosaurs."
"TK has gone full Jordan Peterson, how sophomoric."
"Your not the first person to surrender at Stalingrad. You need to finish it, it is what separates you from the rest. The world does not need another Jordan Peterson."
"We don't need to have another Sophist like Jordan Peterson. Stick to logistics."
"Life is not fair. The world doesn't need another Jordan Peterson. Stay on Stalingrad. Delay your gratification." (I actually responded to him on this one, but of course he ignored me because he's not here for debate)
"Please get back to Stalingrad!!!!!!!"
"Right about the dialectic, wrong about Gnosticism. Nazis and Stalinists were Hegelians, not Gnostics. Get back to Stalingrad!" (Hegelians are Gnostics, so this guy is clueless)
"Stick to Stalingrad!"
"Thanks for getting back to Stalingrad. Leave the Gnostic crap to Jordan Peterson."
"Stick with Stalingrad. Leave the Gnostic crap to Jordan Peterson."
"Oh my, the Gnostic crap again. Get back to Stalingrad."
"Edit out the word "Gnostic" and you have a great video." (This being on the Auschwitz video, which is interesting because it's the only non-"tank" video he's commented on where he hasn't said "stick to Stalingrad" or similar.)
I mean, this is shameful behaviour from a so-called human being, and there's no room for debate. The one time I previously tried to address him, he ignored me. He's not bringing anything valuable to the table, he's not contributing to the debate, and all it's doing is annoying me. It's pointless noise, so why should he get a voice? The more he cries about Stalingrad, the less inclined I am to make them, and the more inclined I am to make the non-military videos. (This is called "psychological reactance".)
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In a nutshell, yes. Although it makes sense in the context. The Germans traditionally see themselves as one big social group who were told that they are amazing and can conquer all (stemming from the rise of Prussia and the old Monarchy and then Socialism of the 1800s). This was fine until they lost WW1. At that point, all the propaganda they had consumed was called into question, but instead of accepting that their world view had been wrong, they doubled down and blamed everyone else (Western Allies and the Jews) and the Treaty of Versailles.
To give an analogy, it would be like suddenly realizing that everything you ever believed about yourself was wrong. Let's say that you thought you were an amazing tennis player and everyone around you built this persona about you because you could beat everyone at tennis in your school. But when you played other tennis players from other schools, or after you finished school, you discovered that all these other tennis players could beat you without breaking a sweat. Instead of realizing that the people at your school just weren't interested in tennis and weren't really trying or practicing it much (they were easy opponents), and that you had been fed a load of lies by your friends and peers, you instead look for scapegoats. You'd say, "it was my faulty tennis racket" or "they have an unfair advantage because they've got better shoes" or "my coach is of a different race" or whatever excuse you can come up with.
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Question 1 - "where in the US constitution does it say income tax isn't allowed...?"
'Article I, Section 9 of the U.S. Constitution states: "No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or enumeration herein before directed to be taken." ' from https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/income_tax
Income tax was illegal prior to the Federal Reserve and the 16th Amendment (both in 1913).
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Question 2 - "where in the US constitution does it say... that only gold and silver can be used as currency?"
Quote - 'No State shall... make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts...' https://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec10.html
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Question 3 - "Is there any country that isn't socialist? Beside Somalia?"
You don't seem to understand. A STATE (country) is ALWAYS Socialist, since Socialism is the State. Every Country (meaning, nation) is ALWAYS Socialist, unless the State has voluntary taxation and doesn't control the money/currency supply (which they all do). Please see my "Public vs Private" video https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
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Question 4 - "I'm asking because it seems you've watered the definition of "socialist" down so far, "Hitler was a socialist" isn't even wrong anymore, it's just a meaningless statement."
It's not meaningless. Some people want more State control, others want less. Those who want more are called Socialists. Those who want less are called Capitalists. I'm not sure why this is so hard for people to grasp.
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First, define your version of socialism and capitalism before we continue.
Capitalism is the private (individual, non-state) control of the means of production. A free market is capitalism.
Socialism is the socialization of the means of production, and there are varients of this initial idea based on class, race, gender, nationality etc.
Socialism cannot operate on its own. The private sector (and especially the middle class, bourgeoisie) is forced to prop up the dying public sector, which constantly proves itself unable to fund itself. This is why socialism requires force - taxation - to exist, because it cannot generate wealth for itself. No monopoly can generate wealth, and socialism cannot calculate its own economy, as Mises pointed out in his book "Socialism".
So, all socialist states like Britain, Denmark etc, are propping up a failing public sector with a hard-pressed private sector. This is why tax rates are so high - we're trying to keep the house of cards from failing. This is why there's so much inflation, because the public state debt is so high in order to fund these wonderful socialist programs, that the wealth of everybody (even children) is being sapped by the invisible tax (inflation).
Socialism is not democratic. If I want to leave socialism in order to create my own business, I can't do that. Capitalism is democratic, because the people (the individuals) have the power to do what they want so long as they do not harm anyone else. Yes they have to work for society in order to generate wealth, but the benefits are vast.
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Almost right, but the economic controls were implemented in the mid-1930s. If you go into the description of the video I'm about to link, and find the timestamps, skip to the "Privatisation" section. I go over the policies they implemented as soon as they got into power https://youtu.be/eCkyWBPaTC8
In fact, as I explain in that video, these policies actually compelled the Germans to go to war because their economy was on the verge of collapse in 1938. Only by invading Czechoslovakia, Poland, the West, and especially the Soviet Union, and by exporting their inflation and importing/stealing goods from the rest of Europe, did they temporarily stop the collapse until 1944/45 when their currency hyperinflated.
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Except, as this video shows, they weren't importing enough food. And as my oil videos have shown, they weren't importing enough oil. Even with Soviet supply, and Romanian supply, if there had been a second Romania, they still wouldn't have had enough oil to meet their minimum requirements. This is why they ran out of oil in the October of 1941, and why Hitler was so desperate to get the food of the Ukraine and oil of the Caucasus.
And, as I've outlined in my "The REAL Reason Hitler HAD to Start WW2" video https://youtu.be/PQGMjDQ-TJ8 Hitler's entire ideology was geared towards Lebensraum in the East. Without it, he knew he would fail. That's why he started the war, and why he was going East.
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This is quite possibly the most poorly researched, mind-numbingly propagandistic comment I’ve ever seen.
The burden of proof is on you, racist. If you want to claim that Hitler was funded into power by a cabal of capitalists, show me your receipts. Please, give me the evidence. We're waiting.
Oh wait, you can't. The only evidence you have was shown by Turner to be dubious at best. And as I said, historians like Richard Evans (quoted in the video), Ian Kershaw, George W. F. Hallgarten ( https://www.jstor.org/stable/2113790 )... I mean, there's many more. Let's quote from Hallgarten:
“Down to 1929 [Hitler’s] party appears to have lived, in the main, on membership dues and individual gifts, mainly from local South German producers. A donation by Fritz Thyssen in 1923 remained an isolated fact. Even the party’s increasing intimacy with Emil Kirdorf did not change the picture... Compared to the increasing indebtedness of the party which by 1933 rose to 70-90 million reichsmarks, these payments were only a drop in the bucket.”
And let's quote from Kershaw (p358 of Hubris), who is actually referencing Turner here:
"The story put about in the memoirs of the later press chief Otto Dietrich of Hitler ceaselessly touring Germany in his big Mercedes in the second half of 1931, cultivating big business leaders and breaking down their resistance to the NSDAP, was no more than part of the myth that Hitler had won power by conquering the hearts and minds of every section of the German people. No more solidly founded ws the view of the Left at the time that the Nazi Movement was the creature of big business and sustained by its funding. Most leaders and executives of big business were shrewd enough to spread their funding round as a form of political insurance, once the Nazi breakthrough had taken place. But most of it still went to the Nazis' political opponents on the conservative Right. The leaders of big business were no friends of democracy. But nor, for the most part, did they want to see the Nazis running the country."
On p359 and p360, Kershaw then says funding came from its own members and entrance fees to party meetings, and apart from Thyssen and other donations to individual party leaders, Kershaw has to admit that there was no large scale funding to the NSDAP from big business. He tries to speculate that Hitler received funds, but is unable to provide any proof for big business involvement.
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I'm glad you disagree because it shows you're thinking. However I also disagree with you. The USA is not an entirely Capitalist country. Your healthcare system is mostly socialist, for example, which is why it's so expensive https://youtu.be/0uPdkhMVdMQ
You have Socialist minimum wage laws which hurt the workers and cause unemployment https://youtu.be/0fsVI3EmUnQ
And the Socialist Federal Reserve is basically the world (interNational) Socialist Central Bank.
These are just a few examples of the Socialism in the USSA, but there are more. Here in the UK it's even worse! The State steals ~35% of your wealth off you as "income tax", VAT, and inflation tax, and gives you nothing back except for the National Socialist Health Service, and Social Services which steal your kids. I had to pay my MOT the other day (another pointless tax) and the State asked "how well did we provide a service to you?" I replied: "You haven't provided me a service. Putting a gun to someone's head and ordering them to hand over their hard earned money is not a service, it's slavery".
All I want is for those who work to keep 100% of the wealth that they earn, instead of it being stolen from them and redistributed to the wealthy Socialists (our Social Elite). That doesn't mean life in Capitalism is going to be "a paradise" or anything like that. I'm realistic enough to know that the universe isn't perfect. But it'll be far better than what we have now. Ending Socialist Serfdom and freeing up the individual to actually keep his hard earned income, will improve the working man's lot considerably.
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1. The video is 5 hours, not 4.
2. It took that long because I not only provided a ton of evidence (107 sources, 350+ references), but I also smashed the ridiculous counter arguments that Marxists make when they claim Hitler was a Capitalist
3. I also nailed down the definitions of Socialism and the other words, linking to my Public vs Private video as backup, where I clearly showed what the historical definitions of Socialism and Capitalism are, and why they are that, and why they're NOT what Marx said they were https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
4. I also took the time to destroy Marxism, since tackling the core tenants of Marxism also tackles the core tenants of National Socialism. Plus, one of the common counter arguments was "Socialism is better than Capitalism, therefore Hitler was a Capitalist". So I had to show why all Socialism is based on lies.
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Karl Marx called for Central Banks in the Communist Manifesto. All those currency units being added onto the screens that distort the economy, all the regulations, wage controls, price controls, taxes, 'social' (state) security, pensions etc... This isn't a free market. So when you're complaining that the STATE locked us up and wiped out all the small businesses and self employed (at least here in Britain), and then you turn around and call for most State control, don't complain that the only jobs out there are "garbage collectors and McDonalds workers".
Jeff Bezos is being funded by the State Central Banks - he is part of the problem. However, he doesn't deserve to have his property expropriated. Instead, the market needs freeing up to allow the small businesses and self employed to compete against him, which would (if the market was truly allowed to compete) quickly destroy his corporation, or at least bring it back down to reality.
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""the market" doesn't set wages. The political power of the group of workers sets wages."
Yes exactly, we don't have a free market.
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"a fascio is a bundle of political viewpoints"
No, a fascio is what the Italians called their trade unions. That's why Fascism was national syndicalism, as I have explained (with references) in the Fascism Defined video https://youtu.be/qdY_IMZH2Ko
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"Nationalism is a far right policy"
A nation is a society. Nationalism is Socialism. Socialism is also Nationalism. So-called "international" socialism doesn't even exist. 'One nation under God' is still a nation. So internationalism is nationalism.
This is the political spectrum you think exists https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-o3ksdRetlXA/UwyeyC9seOI/AAAAAAAAA-Q/fAbadsmxY-g/s1600/left_right_political_spectrum_011.jpg
Here is the actual political spectrum https://external-preview.redd.it/JwvmcHW_pxJ_IaFx98PzW2xuwksdIdokwBLa8jAqjHk.jpg?auto=webp&s=145cd5b20c38a0e9cbe0010a6e21021968226399
Or better yet, this one https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DXEHWxpqEG0/T9r5qgXcKAI/AAAAAAAAAro/af7uDzwOo-g/s640/TheTruePoliticalSpectrum.png
So no, nationalism is a Far Left policy, even though it has been painted as a Far Right policy.
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"The Nazi's did it to be able to use policies from the whole spectrum to please everyone to get voted in to power."
They did that to get voted in, yes. But that's not what they actually wanted. When they got into power, they implemented Socialism for the German people, because as Hitler said - Nationalism was Socialism and Socialism was Nationalism. They were one and the same thing.
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"The socialists in the Nazi party were ultimately minoritised and later murdered."
No. If you go to the Ernst Röhm timestamp listed in the description of this video, you will learn that that's not what happened at all. Conservatives and capitalists were also murdered in the Night of the Long Knives, which had nothing to do with "Capitalism vs Socialism" but was about "peaceful revolution vs violent revolution".
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"Hitler was a capitalist-leaning centrist (economic policy) and deeply conservative nationalist (social policy)."
Abolishing private property in the Reichstag Fire Decree and seizing the means of production, and implementing socialism is capitalism now? You are spouting Marxist myths and lies. WATCH THE VIDEO. Hitler was not in any way a capitalist.
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"the German conservatives voted in favour of him seizing complete power."
Yes, and they quickly realized their mistake. Hitler tricked them. They were not one and the same. Hitler did not like conservatives, but used them for his own purposes.
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Except Hitler nationalized the industries, did destroy small business (which is anti-capitalism), abolished private property rights, consolidated all power into the 'organs of the state' (the organs, bodies, corpus, corporations - that's where the word comes from, it means organs of the state), nationalized the trade unions into the state trade union (the DAF) and crushed all those that didn't nationalise... and more. And I showed all of this in the video you didn't bother to watch.
Collective ownership is State ownership. A State is defined as a "organized political community under one government" (Oxford dictionary). Well, a "collective" is a politically organized community, and thus a State. I've been over this https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
So you're asking how collective/State ownership caused the Holocaust? I'd ask you to read a book because that's exactly what happened - the State caused the Holocaust, not the free market.
I'm not a flat earther. I follow the evidence rather than make stuff up like the Marxist Socialists have done. 107 sources, 350 direct quotes and notes and more, and all you do is dismiss it with stupid questions answered by the video itself. Try watching the video first before commenting.
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Everything you said is the old Marxist lie. It turns out that all that is incorrect. If you look at the timestamps in the description, you'll see that I address each of your points. You'll also see, if you go to those points, that I have citations at the bottom of the screen as I speak. Yes, this video is fully supported by 350 citations coming from 109 individual sources. The video shows that they nationalized the unions and crushed those that refused to nationalize. The so-called "private" corporations were all ran by National Socialist Party members as well as taken over by the SA shop-floor militants which means they were defacto nationalized, and they did kill non-National Socialist socialists, but also conservatives, capitalists, liberals and so on. Socialists kill other Socialists all the time (e.g. Stalin vs Trotsky) so this isn't a point against them being socialist.
They set up a welfare state, tried to implement price controls, set up massive amounts of regulations and central planning... There's tons of evidence that they were Socialists. All you have to do is listen and you'll see.
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"except none of his focus was on any of the socialist aspects"
Yeah, try actually watching the video first because this statement is ridiculous.
" a worker controlled economy, worked controlled industries, a worker controlled government."
That's Marxist Socialism, which came AFTER socialism. Socialism doesn't require class, it only requires State control of the economy.
" "but when he privatized nazis owned the industries!!" we have card carrying liberals and conservatives here too who own business and industry. I guess that's "socialism""
As shown in the video, he didn't privatize the industries, even though that's been claimed a million times, and corporations are not 'private', they're 'public' corporations, which is why Hitler's centralization of them is socialism. Again, watch the video to understand why your argument doesn't work.
"He was a totalitarian authoritarian fascist and extreme nationalist."
You cannot have totalitarianism without total control of the means of production (socialism). Fascism is not National Socialism as explained in the video. Nationalism is Socialism.
"take socialism out and the Nazi model still functions perfectly as a authoritarianism and fascism with a German twist"
Take socialism out and Hitler doesn't even get elected, let alone go to war. As I explained in the video, if you deny Hitler's Socialism, you're (perhaps unwittingly) denying the Holocaust.
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@GodKitty677 "Wow that is full of alarm bells. Using yourself as a source being the least of them."
I'm not "using myself as a source" - the videos are fully backed up with sources, just like this video is. Instead, what I'm doing is linking to a fully sourced and backed up video that explains the concept I'm trying to get across to you - that Fascism and National Socialism are two separate ideologies. I mean, I could sit here for an hour or two explaining the same thing I've already explained in a fully backed up video, or I could just link to the video that I've already made that already explains it. Either way, you're not going to listen and learn because you already assume you know the answers, which is why you're trying to call me out for "using myself as a source", which seems to be the new "aha gotcha" from the Left since they've got no counter-arguments to the actual points being made.
And to address the "alarm bells" point, without a free honest and open debate, you cannot know the truth. The reason why nobody trusted what came out of the Soviet Union during the Cold War was because everything that came out of the Soviet Union was sanctioned by the state (it was propaganda). There was no open and honest or free debate, and so there was no way to know whether what the Soviet Union was saying was true or false (and most of it was false).
Similarly, if history is "peer reviewed" (censored) then the same thing applies. In fact, "peer review" censorship goes against the very idea of history as I've laid out in my history theory video. Of course, I would link to that video, but I don't want to "use myself as a source", even though, again, my history theory video was based on reading several history theory books, plus my own education during college and university. If you're so inclined, the link to that video is already available in the description.
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"No, I am using the correct dictionary definitions."
No I am using the correct dictionary defintions, not you. I took pictures of the Oxford dictionary definitions of the words and displayed them in the Public vs Private video. Here they are again:
Oxford: "Private - adjective, 1. belonging to or for the use of one particular person or group of people only." (So yes, it means individual.) "3. (of a service or industry) provided or owned by an individual or an independent, commercial company rather than the state." (So corporations, which are collectively owned by Society - the public - and are regulated, funded and directed by the State via their laws and central banks, are not private.) "ORIGIN: late Middle English (originally denoting a person not acting in an official capacity): from Latin privatus ‘withdrawn from public life’, a use of the past participle of privare ‘bereave, deprive’ from privus ‘single, individual’." (To withdraw from public life, meaning it cannot be public, which McDonalds hasn't done. McDonalds has gone public. It hasn't withdrawn from public life.)
Source: Oxford Dictionary of English, Oxford University Press, Third Edition 2010. p1413.
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"You make it sound like the successor states were just as multiethnic as Austria-Hungary had been, when in reality, they replaced a system where power was held by the Austrians and the Hungarians - especially after the Austro-Hungarian compromise of 1867, with a system were power was placed in the hands of the new majorities - i.e. Czechoslovakia was ruled by the Czechs and the Slovaks, etc."
Right, so you have just confirmed that one big multi-ethnic state devolved into multi-ethnic states, which was exactly my point. If being multi-ethnic was bad, then these states should have instantly dissolved further into monoethnic states, and yet they didn't do that (until after the Cold War with two of them).
"You correctly mention that ethnically homogeneous states would have been impossible because there had been too much population mixing in the centuries of the empire's existence. However, it is disingenuous not to explain WHY the successor states were created the way they were."
How is it disingenuous? I explained that nationalism and ethnicity were a factor in the new multi-ethnic states, but that they weren't the central factor for the collapse of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
"There was another aspect which you didn't mention, which was the legal existence of a "Czechoslovak ethnicity" - a legal fiction to make it look as though the Germans were a relatively minority in a fairly ethnically homogeneous country, not a large group in a multi-ethnic state."
This is debatable. Highly debatable. For starters, I showed a map with the multi-nationalities inside Czechoslovakia, and other commenters are pointing out that they hadn't realized just how many minorities were in the borders of Czechoslovakia. Also, if you're arguing that the multi-ethnic state of Czechoslovakia (with Czechs and Slovaks) is one nationality, then I could also argue that Austria-Hungary was in fact one nationality too (Austro-Hungarians are a nationality, just like British is a nationality comprising of multiple nationalities).
"Nationalism was clearly an important factor"
I did say in the video that it was a factor. But it wasn't the ONLY factor, and that other factors were as (if not more) important.
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"Because either you're wrong here or there's something very interesting I've missed entirely."
Yeah, so this question is a really good one, but it's simply too complicated a topic to actually explain in a YouTube comment. I did touch upon this in the 5 hour video, and I am planning to do a full video on Hitler's views of women... However in a nutshell, Marxist Socialism says that everyone's equal, but Hitler says that this isn't true because the idea of equality is a Jewish plot to destroy civilisation (Mein Kampf, Jaico edition, p296 and p347). So he says the German social race should take over the means of production (socialism), but that individuals of the race are not equal. Therefore, men and women should work for the preservation of "the race" (Mein Kampf, p269), which means women should stay at home and raise children (Mein Kampf, p376).
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"It doesn't really matter if Marx put a small anti-sematic flair in"
Let me explain this again in a different way. Historically speaking, the "bourgeoisie" (or "townsfolk") were the Jews, because the Jews were forced to live in towns as a result of old-fashioned anti-Semitism (they couldn't own land in Christian Europe). They were also deemed to be "the money-changers" because in order to survive, they practiced usury - the lending of money and charging interest, which was banned by the Pope. So the only people in Christian Europe who could be the "bourgeoisie" were the Jews. That's why an alternative name for the "bourgeoisie" was "cosmopolitan Jew".
Thus, because of old-fashioned anti-semitism, the Jews were called "the bourgeoisie". Karl Marx just called them a different name. Instead of calling them "Jews", he called them "capitalists". "Das Kapital" is "the Jew".
So, to be "anti-capitalist" is to be anti-Jewish, because "anti-capitalists" believe the "capitalists" (the Jews) are stealing money off the "workers" (the natives). Socialists are anti-capitalist, and thus are anti-Semitic. That's why Karl Marx was an anti-Semite. That's why all socialists are anti-Semites, and that's why the National Socialists mixed the Jews up with the capitalists and called them the "Judeo-Bourgeoisie".
Look at this Nazi propaganda poster https://images.app.goo.gl/BLJa1EBsMPiwJsMU7 It's pointing at the Jewish guy, but look at how he's dressed. He's not in stereotypical Jewish outfit; he's dressed like the Monopoly man. He's wearing a suit and a top hat. He looks like how many Socialists view the "capitalists". Here is another poster with the same thing - the Jewish guy looks like a capitalist https://images.app.goo.gl/kno9tj6g1T2vZ4817
Another propaganda poster here shows a Jewish person holding gold coins ("capital" - money) https://images.app.goo.gl/xY3pGw5utsghnQb47
Another propaganda poster with a "Jewish-capitalist" being depicted as the puppet master of the German people https://images.app.goo.gl/xYdzpWTeJJEdrYLfA
And if it's not obvious yet, here's another https://images.app.goo.gl/hFGG9p5sPky9LRTh9 The Jewish person is clearly a capitalist, his top hat fallen on the floor as he's sat on a bag of "geld" (the German word for money, but derived from "gold", which is what Marx said was "capital"). The Nazis said the Jew wants to "become the king of money".
The overall conclusion is that "anti-capitalism" and "anti-semitism" are one and the same thing. The same arguments Socialists use to show that the capitalist are bad, are the EXACT same arguments the National Socialists use to show that the Jews are bad. A socialist cannot argue against what the Nazis did to the "Judeo-bourgeoisie" because they themselves are advocating the same policies towards the "Bourgeoisie-Jews".
And as soon as I realised the anti-Semitism inherent within the doctrine of Socialism, I abandoned the faith. I'm not an anti-Semite, have never been a racist, and as soon as I woke up and realised I had been tricked, I immediately stepped away from socialism.
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"Karl Marx, was an Economist"
No, he was a theologian. He was educated in "philosophy", but was focused on the religions. He edited Hegel's "Philosophy of Religion". The original name for the Communist Manifesto was "The Communist Confession of Faith" before Engels decided to change it. Even now, it's full of religious terminology, as is Das Kapital, and many other of his texts. To call Marx an "economist" is quite simply wrong.
Marx created his own anti-Semitic religion known as Marxism. That's why it's incredibly difficult to get through to socialists and wake them up from the cult that they're in, because they don't realise they're in an anti-Semitic cult and falsely believe that anyone who disagrees with them are racists and fascists. NO DUDE - the reason you cannot find Nazis to punch is because you're not looking hard enough in the mirror.
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There's a difference between patriotism and nationalism. I'm neither patriotic or nationalistic, but I would say that patriotism is understandable, since you can love the land and people you're in without loving the government or state. Patriots can still be racist of course, but it's not necessarily a requirement like it would be with National Socialism.
There are a lot of problems with nationalism in general, but German nationalism certainly has a stigma due to what happened in the early to mid 20th Century, which explains your family's shame.
It sounds like you're in two minds about this whole thing. If so, I would encourage you to stay flexible and consider different ways of looking at the world before you fully commit to any one of them. Certainty I'd consider reading Hazlitt's "Economics in One Lesson" as well as the concept of "individualism", which is a nice balance against the patriotism and nationalism you might be feeling.
Most people who are patriotic, nationalistic, or socialistic in outlook tend to think of their community, and (at least in their heads), place others before themselves. At first glance this may seem like an altruistic thing - a good thing. How can putting others before yourself be considered a bad thing? Right?
I'm a little unusual in my outlook. Everyone assumes selfishness is a sin, but economics shows us that selfishness is actually a good thing. Selfishness means you don't give away anything for free, but TRADE with others, who also have a right to say 'no' to the transaction. On the other hand, I would argue that charity is a selfish act, because you give to the needy because you feel shame about the fact you have more than them. Thus you give to the poor only to make yourself feel better. It's inherently selfish, and is usually only done because the individual has deep seated insecurities, brought on by their unchecked altruism, and lack of "selfishness". There are articles online indicating that altruism (a lack of selfishness) is leading to depression.
When it comes to pride, I think there's a difference between that and arrogance. The proverb is that "pride comes before the fall", and that makes sense because if you're proud of your country's football team, and you brag about how great they are etc, and they lose, you look like an idiot and then get angry. I think you can be proud of your achievements, but there's a danger of it moving into arrogance, which is too far. So moderation needs to happen. You can be proud to be a German, or you can be proud to be an individual - either is fine. But arrogance is where you think Germany or you are the best, or unbeatable, which is a recipe for failure.
Hope this helps!
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@threemeters1425 "Here’s a dangerous but perhaps worthwhile idea: bring an actual Third Positionist to state their opinions on socialism as a whole."
There's two problems with that idea. One, I don't do live streams and my content isn't geared towards interviews or similar. It just isn't for me. Two, since we live in clown-world, inviting a Fascist or Nazi onto the channel would probably result in myself being branded as a Fascist or Nazi-sympathizer. I mean, they're already accusing me of being Fascist and Nazi, and I've seen others say that Sargon was a Nazi because he talked to Richard Spencer. So, it's just not possible.
However, if you or someone in your camp was willing to make a video explaining your positions (either here, or on another safe site), or even just a written document, then I'm happy to make a response to that. If you wrote out where you stand, why you stand there, why you class yourselves as socialists and third-positionists, and where you disagree with the Marxist narrative of what Fascism is, then that would be really helpful.
Alternatively, if there's a book or video that already explains this, let me know so I can take a look.
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"Political scientists have described Nazi economic policies were nationalistic driven."
Nations are societies. Nationalism is Socialism. There's no difference between the nationalisation of the means of production, and the socialisation of the means of production.
Also, I really don't care what some "political scientists" say. Other political scientists like L. K. Samuels say that National Socialist policies were socialistic in nature.
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"In peace time it leaned toward growth. With natural resources being state managed whilst other industries were privately owned but had economic oversight."
No they didn't. Watch the video. The industries were nationalised.
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"Aka, you could own a business but if you posed a threat to the national interest the government would step in."
The government stepped in regardless. If they did like you, you could keep running the business on their behalf, but you had to bow to their rules and accept their Party members in your business. They dictated the price of your goods, the wages you paid yourself and your workers... Again, watch the video.
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"These policies were collectively called Corporatism. A middle ground to right wing capitalism and left wing socialism."
Yeah, that's what the fascists themselves said to distinguish themselves from the socialists. But just because they said this doesn't mean it's true.
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"This is why to a capitalist, nazi economic policy looks socialist, and to socialists they seem capitalistic."
There was no free market. This wasn't capitalist in any way. The socialists BELIEVE it was capitalistic because they're operating on a set of false assumptions. They BELIEVE that Hitler didn't nationalise the industries BUT HE DID. Again, watch the actual video.
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I don't know why you're incapable of replying to the other comments. That's on you, not me or YouTube, as nobody else is having that problem.
As to who is funding me, I get my income from YouTube ad revenue and my Patreons/SubscribeStars. But I'm not beholden to them, and I don't even know who they are. You're implying that someone is controlling me, and I can assure you that I'm merely sticking with the facts as shown by the copious amounts of evidence given.
Now, to talk about the history question... As explained and proven via the evidence shown in the video you didn't bother to watch, private property rights were abolished in the Third Reich. In addition, corporations are "public" entities, not "private" entities. In order to be a corporation, you have to be "public", as this is a fundamental requirement of being a corporation - they are public entities. I've been over the definitions of public and private in another video https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y?si=dU6qRhQ5g8rG6XZF
The profit situation is not discussed in this video. However, as Götz Aly explains in the book "Hitler's Beneficiaries", profits were taxed heavily in the Third Reich, and wealth was actively redistributed to the poor. Mass welfare systems were created. And as shown in Gunter Reimann's "The Vampire Economy", businessmen were struggling to cope. While the odd business did make more money in this centrally controlled economy, many of them did not, and even the Deutsche Bank saw revenues fall, as did the Reichsbahn. It's also difficult to tell because of the rampant inflation going on, as while nominally it looks like they gained, in real terms they probably did not.
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"It is a very important one because it shows how much he hates socialist ideas that are per definition egalitarian and internationalist."
No it doesn't! All it shows is that Hitler didn't agree with the Marxists. THAT's my whole point. Hitler WASN'T a Marxist, he was a Socialist. This is where you're going wrong.
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"Socialism is for equality between nations and individuals."
No it isn't. It's social ownership of the means of production.
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"You clearly see that he values his nation more than the international working class."
He values the German workers more than the foreign workers, yes, because that's what National Socialism is. Again, he's not a Marxist. And the Marxists value the working class over the nation - meaning they're not for equality or the rights of others!
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"Its not in the quotation but he is also against equality between individuals which is anti socialist and more generally anti leftist."
He is against equality, but only because he believes it to be a Jewish idea (Mein Kampf, Jaico edition, p296 and p347). So he says the German social race should take over the means of production (socialism), but that individuals of the race are not equal. Therefore, men and women should work for the preservation of "the race" (Mein Kampf, p269), which is his socialism. Equality isn't a requirement for social ownership of the means of production.
It is anti-Marxist, but not anti-Socialist or anti-Leftist.
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"Adolf is a (socialist) nationalist."
No, he's a racial Socialist, believing that nations are races (social groups). His nationalism is his socialism, and his socialism is his nationalism. By denying one, you deny the other.
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"Yes Adolf is fascists"
No, he's a National Socialist. He's not a Fascist because he doesn't believe in National Syndicalism with a philosophy of Actualism, which is what Fascism is https://youtu.be/qdY_IMZH2Ko Again, Fascism and National Socialism are two separate ideologies, but Marxists don't realize this because they're unwilling to actually look at the evidence.
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"adolf opposes the unity of the nation to the class struggle."
Adolf thinks the class struggle is brought on by the Jews (Hitler, “Mein Kampf,” p53-54, p536-540). He thinks that by removing the Jews from society, the class struggle would end since there would be no classes any more. Everyone would be 'equal' in the sense that they would all be of the German working class. This is the complete opposite of what you stated.
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"Not a single socialist would be against it and a true socialist would take the side of the workers in the class struggle. Adolf does not take the side of the workers."
Yes he does, he's taking the side of the German workers vs the Jews. That's what Hitler was doing.
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"You can clearly see that he is not taking the side of the workers when looking at the wage shares during his rule, they decreased significantly (from around 50% to 40%, dont remember exactly)."
I ANSWERED THIS EXACT CRITICISM IN THE VIDEO. You're not taking into account the central planning wage controls, price controls, huge subsidies for the poor, heavy taxation of the corporations and the rich, and massive amount of regulations designed to siphon wealth from Europe to the German workers. WATCH THE VIDEO. It's as simply as this: watch the video and you'll see that what you're saying is completely wrong.
I don't understand why you would attempt to "counter" my argument when you don't even know what it is, or haven't seen the overwhelming amount of evidence I've presented. You're putting your head in the sand, and there's no need for it. Please just watch the video.
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"Look at what Adolf says about socialist and social-democrats."
You mean Marxists and Social-Democrats.
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"As you will see, Socialism is anti nationalist."
If you had bothered to watch this video, you'd understand why this statement is incorrect. WATCH THE VIDEO.
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"That is a main difference between socialism and fascism (and the particular brand called national-socialism)."
Fascism isn't the same as National Socialism https://youtu.be/qdY_IMZH2Ko
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"You can not just look at economic policies and then declare that it is the same."
I'm not just looking at the economic policies.
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And as far as randomly quoting Mein Kampf, let me try:
“The racial Weltanschauung [world view] is fundamentally distinguished from the Marxist by reason of the fact that the former recognizes the significance of race and therefore also personal worth and has made these the pillars of its structure. These are the most important factors of its Weltanschauung.”
“If the National Socialist Movement should fail to understand the fundamental importance of this essential principle, if it should merely varnish the external appearance of the present State and adopt the majority principle, it would really do nothing more than compete with Marxism on its own ground. For that reason it would not have the right to call itself a Weltanschauung. If the social programme of the movement consisted in eliminating personality and putting the multitude in its place, then National Socialism would be corrupted with the poison of Marxism, just as our national-bourgeois parties are.”
Hitler, Mein Kampf, p406 of the Jaico Edition.
Again, Hitler is NOT a Marxist, he is a (National) Socialist, and he's just laid that all out right here.
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I haven't looked at Pinochet so I'm talking off the cuff, but assuming he did privatize the economy, then he must have privatised the army, privatised the law services and the judiciary, privatized the roads, privatized the schools, eliminated public taxes, reduced state regulations, eliminated the bureaucracy... No, he didn't do that. Instead he freed up some of the economy and kept the rest under public sector control. Therefore that's not a capitalist economy with authoritarian rule, but a mixed economy with authoritarian rule. If you have a king which collects taxes, then you're not economically or politically free.
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Historically your statement isn't true. Capitalism reduces the gap between the richest and poorest. I suspect that you think Corporations (hierarchies of society) are Capitalism. No, Capitalism is private control. Corporations are hierarchies of society, not individuals. Also, Central Banks (again, Socialist, which is why Marx called for them) redistribute wealth from everyone to the Centre, creating universal impoverishment. Taxation (Socialism) does the same. If you tax the rich, you tax the poor, just like if you tax a parent, you tax the child. Our 'societies' (States) tax children. Yet, our Social-elites (Socialists) claim this is "fair". This would be unbelievable if it wasn't true.
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That's simply untrue. The NHS has had a consistently higher budget every single year, even though they claim there's budget cuts (there isn't, a "cut" is simply the budget not going as high as they wanted). There service is awful to the point of murderous.
And you get nothing from a state education except lies and deceit. I've discovered that the more I unlearn the state school indoctrination the richer and happier I become. Everything they taught me was quite literally the opposite of the reality. If I ever have children, they will not be going to school, they'll be home schooled, which is cheaper anyway. Listen to this, and read the comments https://youtu.be/2yL8h_NbpsU
I understand the fallacious argument about the lying politicians needing to regulate businessmen and workers and prevent them from making profits, but it seems that you haven't heard the numerous alternative arguments. As I always recommend, read "Economics in One Lesson" by Henry Hazlitt, "Basic Economics" by Thomas Sowell, and "America's Great Depression" by Murray Rothbard.
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Thank you for quoting all of this, it's... concerning. Again, even if we thought that Hitler and Mussolini weren't "progressives" or "socialists" and if we thought that they were on the Right, that still doesn't explain why they think National Socialism and Fascism are the same ideology. It would be interesting for them to point out anywhere in Gentile's works (the guy who invented Fascism) where he calls for the removal of non-Aryans from society. Or why it was only after Mussolini was isolated from the international community (Ethiopian incident) and met with Hitler in 1938 that he implemented the racial laws in Italy. Why did it take him 16 years to do that? Surely, if he believed in the Racial Theory of History, that would have been one of the first things he would have done.
In reality, these are two distinct ideologies. Calling Hitler a Fascist would be like calling Lenin a Social Democrat.
"Left vs. Right classification in historiography is a social policy issue."
Even if we accept this, it still doesn't make sense to say Hitler was on the Right. The Left wants to implement social policies, the Right doesn't (or wants to "undo them", to use their own words). So they're saying that Hitler didn't implement any social policies? I can hardly believe that.
Hitler wanted to implement social policies (the big obvious one being the removal of the Jews from society in order to create a Volksgemeinschaft). There's no way that this was a "return to older values" as they described it. National Socialism was something completely new in history, and I don't remember any older ideology calling for the conquest of Lebensraum in the East and the mass-enslavement of the "inferior" races of Europe. As Zitelmann points out throughout his book, this was a new Revolutionary movement, not a reaction. And even if it wasn't, a counter-revolution is still a revolution.
I've hearted your original comment. Thank you again for all the quotes.
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"@TIK I wouldn't be so hasty, there will likely be a big fiscal stimulus to keep things ticking over (certainly the banking sector at least)"
There already is; they're printing vast sums of currency to keep the system liquid and prop up the stock market. The problem is that, if it persists, such measures will lead to (hyper)inflation and negative interest rates (which we are about to go into, and people won't want this because it'll cost them to keep their money in the banks). People will finally realize their cash is being eaten away and will pull their cash out, causing a bank run. Then the whole rotten banking system will either be shut down, or hyperinflate. Now, this may or may not happen (can't predict the future), but just like with Covid-19, it would be much better to be safe and withdraw some cash now BEFORE the crisis fully hits than to wait until the last moment.
See, last year I understood that the market was going to implode at some point and saw it was beginning to slide down in December-time (inverted yield curve etc). At that point, I considered stocking up on food and other supplies, but decided to wait a little longer on the food. Now I'm kicking myself. (I did get some other supplies, but didn't get any food.)
Well, now I'm not taking any chances with the cash situation. True, it might be a few weeks or months away before there's a credit/debit freeze and a general financial collapse, but it's best to get ahead of the curve than not to. Besides, having SOME cash on standby at home is always a good idea just in case you lose your wallet or something.
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"We run a mixed market economy, that heavily favours free market economics."
Our tax rate is currently over 50%. Every transaction in the economy is directed by the interest rate, which has been set artificially low by the state's central bank. So every single transaction is manipulated by the state. How is that a free market? We even use their fiat currency! This isn't, in any way, a free market.
You've been told it's "capitalism" and you believe it's "capitalism", but even by Karl Marx's own definition of capitalism, we don't have capitalism. And I've been over this here https://youtu.be/YygQ0Wq0wDA
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"We have done for decades under both Labour and Conservative governments."
Because they are one and the same thing. Don't let the slogans fool you. The Commie-servatives are no different than the so-called "worker" party. Boris implemented almost every policy Corbyn called for in his two manifestos.
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"There is no point engaging with the other nonsense you've argued for here."
Yes, just ignore all the evidence and dismiss it as "nonsense"... What's wrong? Does reality not confirm to your false beliefs?
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"You've clearly either neither read or understood Marx"
You mean, this video of mine where I quoted all his anti-semitic racism and showed how he thought the bourgeoisie were the Js, and called another socialist leader a "Jewish n*****"? https://youtu.be/rZh01xRO_Qg
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"[You] have little understanding of politics, ideology, or the history behind any of these movements, socialist, communist, Liberal, or fascist."
No, it is you who's ignorant of this. I'm trying to educate you, but your faith in social-schism is blinding you to the truth.
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"I've enjoyed some of your history videos, but this is just pure right wing propaganda. Absolutely laughable. Have a nice day"
I'm not "right-wing", so that's a swing and a miss. Technically, according to your political spectrum, I'm on the extreme left-wing https://imgur.com/rLlDlcQ
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The Nazis also rounded up conservatives and free market liberals. The Wehrmacht generals who fought back were all conservative types. Yet you conveniently forgot to mention that.
Keynes got his economics from the Nazis, as explained by Sennholz in Age of Inflation. That's why the UK and many other places have socialist economies.
What, you think the UK isn't socialist? Why is the income tax rate ~35%, the sales tax 20%? Why do we have a council (Soviet) tax? Why do we have a tax on house, car and tv ownership? Why do we have a 40% inheritance tax? Why do we have wage controls, price controls, pension controls, and regulations coming out our ears? Why does Network Rail have a monopoly on the railways? Why does the National Socialist 'Health' Service exist? Why does Goebbels's propaganda ministry (the BBC) exist? Why do we have state insurance? State pensions? State housing? The state central bank (the same thing Karl Marx called for in the Communist manifesto) is centrally planning and directing the economy. They reject the use of gold and silver (money/capital) and use stste fiat currency. They set the price of that currency and influence every transaction through the joint policies of inflation and interest rate manipulations.
Yet somehow, you think the UK has a free market 🤣
Class is irrelevant to socialism. Socialism came before Marx, who introduced the idea of class to socialism. Before him, the socialists said that socialism was state ownership of the means of production, and I've been over this in another video https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
In other words, your criticism is not only completely invalid, but the evidence simply doesn't support it.
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"It can simply just be the workers of the company."
Incorrect, that's not socialism. Worker ownership of the means of production is Marxist-Socialism, and in that regard, it refers to the entire structure of the society, as dictated by the state. The "workers" are, in fact, the state that's run on behalf of the workers, not the other way around. Again, you have been lied to as to the true nature of socialism, just as I was.
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"But that does not mean that it has to be prices dictated by a central government, the prices can be set by the owners of the company, just now its the workers. So free market prices can still exist, and I perfectly agree that free market prices are much superior to a centrally planned price."
If prices are set by the workers, then there is no free market, since on a free market the price would be set by the economy - the laws of supply, demand and subjective value - rather than by the workers (the defunct labour theory of value).
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"I think its important to understand how people use the words too, so yes you can say socialism involves public state ownership, when people say the words public state ownership they interpret that as a big government owning and dictating the economy. So although your technically right to say that socialism is public/state ownership, I think that's misleading as people would interpret the wrong thing."
Remember, I was a socialist too prior to 2018. I believed what you believe now. Unfortunately, you have been deceived. Socialism is nothing other than state ownership of the means of production. It always has been, always will be. You might try to say that the "workers" own the means of production, but the workers are society, which is a public, which is a state. Once you see this connect, you cannot unsee it. That's why I recommend that you watch my public vs private video.
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It's hard to say about 'accuracy' when someone is pioneering the subject. Nobody else has done what he's done at Stalingrad, so if you want to know where a unit was at Stalingrad, go to Glantz (except with some German units, you can go to Jason D Mark, and it's good to hear both Mark and Glantz don't contradict each other). Because nobody else can give you the operational details at the same level, you'd be crazy not to use Glantz. But as sit stands there's no real way to know how accurate his work is. I'm sure he got elements of it wrong, however, since he is pioneering the subject, you kind of have no choice but to read him unit the next historian comes along and verifies his work. Sadly, it seems that might be a while away.
All that said, I don't agree with all the conclusions Glantz makes. It's one thing to describe an event, and it's another to interpret that event. Hope that makes sense.
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People don't like my opinion on certain subjects, and thus use the Revisionist-card. For example, in my 'Numbers Say it All" video, I argue that it was a myth that the Germans were "superior" to the Soviets. The conclusion at the end basically says the Germans had an early numerical advantage (which they exploited very well, to their credit), but once the Soviets recovered from their initial losses, they fought back, and they didn't really have vast-hordes-of-rifles-and-tanks. But, people (in this case, Wehraboos) didn't actually watch the full video and proceeded to cry that their beloved Wehrmacht was being attacked by a revisionist. The problem is, that's not what happened. If they'd watched the full video, they'd understand. But they didn't. Link https://youtu.be/_7BE8CsM9ds
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I don't know about the War of 1812, but someone else mentioned there were several different narratives on it. So yeah, clearly there's a debate to be had there. But in regards to Churchill, he's the perfect historical figure which proves there's always two sides to every coin. Churchill has been viewed as a great British icon (which, I guess, has some truth to it from the British perspective). But the problem is that 98% of the British population do not know about the Boar War, or Galipoli, or Greece, or North Africa, or India, or numerous other campaigns and battles where this guy was a menace. For me, the guy is an important historical figure, but he also isn't a "good" historical figure. For me, he is a constant reminder how truth, myth, legend, bias, agendas and so on can slip into the historical narrative and warp our perception of the figures of history. Again, the reason we should question everything.
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@damyr Why do you think greed is bad? Why do you think being selfish is bad? Is it because the Bible says so? Otherwise, why? When people give to charity, they do it for their own selfish reasons. They feel guilt and shame that they have more than other people, and so by giving to "the poor", they can feel good about themselves. Charity is the ultimate form of selfishness. Equally, you cannot be rich without giving to other people. Nobody will hand over their cash to you unless you provide them something in return. Thus, being greedy is actually an act of charity, since to collect other people's cash, you need to give them a ton of products and services.
But the fact that you even say half this stuff shows that you've never listened to anything I've said. The fact you said in a previous comment (6 months ago) that you believe the world we live in is "90% capitalist" and has been "for 99% of human history" is proof in the pudding that you haven't been paying attention. The taxation rate in the UK is 63%. There is no free market. There is no capital (no gold or silver - commodity money, as Marx defined capital), and so no capitalism. The corporations are controlled by the State, yet you blame the "free market" for their wrong-doing.
And on top, you're recommending a BBC documentary... why? Is only content from Goebbel's Statist propaganda ministry allowed? I'd recommend "Economics in One Lesson" by Henry Hazlitt, and "America's Great Depression" by Murray Rothbard. They will set you free.
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"Now will you admit that Ludwig Von Mises praised fascism and was a racist? Or must you not criticize your prophet."
I disagree with Mises on several points - including his belief in democracy. So I have no problem criticizing Mises and admitting when he is wrong. The reason why is because praxeology is the study of human action - a study, NOT a religion. It is very much the same as history (the study of the human condition), which is based in science and also interpretation of the evidence. Thus, unlike the religious belief in Socialist ideology, disagreement is part and parcel of the whole practice of science, economics, history and so on. This is why Rothbard wrote "Man, Economy and State" - he disagreed with some of what Mises wrote, and wanted to update Mises' "Human Action".
The point is, I have no problem saying Mises is wrong. That said, your statement that Mises "praised fascism and was a racist" doesn't hold up to scrutiny, as I will show here. In his book "Liberalism" (written in 1927), Mises wrote -
"Let them [the Russian Bolsheviks] do what they want in their own country. But do not let them pass beyond the boundaries of their own land to destroy European civilization." - Mises, "Liberalism," p176.
Why did he say this? Well, Mises explains here and elsewhere that Socialism destroys civilization, since civilization is founded on the principle of private property, and without private property, you do not have civilization. This is why he says -
"The fundamental idea of these movements [Marxist, Socialist and Fascist] — which, from the name of the most grandiose and tightly disciplined among them, the Italian, may, in general, be designated as Fascist—consists in the proposal to make use of the same unscrupulous methods in the struggle against the Third International as the latter employs against its opponents. The Third International seeks to exterminate its adversaries and their ideas in the same way that the hygienist strives to exterminate a pestilential bacillus..." - Mises, "Liberalism", page 71.
He was thus warning about all these versions of Socialism, saying they will destroy civilization. Then - and this is important - at the end of a chapter where he says that Fascism won't work and is stupid, he then says -
"It cannot be denied that Fascism and similar movements aimed at the establishment of dictatorships are full of the best intentions and that their intervention has for the moment saved European civilization. The merit that Fascism has thereby won for itself will live on eternally in history. But though its policy has brought salvation for the moment, it is not of the kind which could promise continued success. Fascism was an emergency makeshift. To view it as something more would be a fatal error." - Mises, "Liberalism", page 51.
In his first sentence, Mises is correct: the Fascists (and later, the Nazis) believed they were saving European civilization from Marxist-Socialist Bolshevism. It is true that some of the national states in Europe would have succumbed to Marxist Socialism had Fascism (which does allow the veneer of Capitalism on a coffin of Socialism) not emerged, and their economies (and thus, millions of innocent people) would have been murdered and destroyed. This is why he says that Fascist policy "brought salvation for the moment".
And, writing this in 1927, Mises was correct at the time that Fascism was the lesser of the two Socialist evils (Fascism and Marxism), since Mussolini's Fascism only ever arrested 12,310 people prior to 1940, and only a handful of them were sentenced to death (Farrell, “Mussolini: A New Life,” Chapter 11). Compare this to the 14 million people murdered in what Timothy Snyder calls ‘the Blood lands’ by the Soviet Union and National Socialist Germany between the years 1933 and 1945 (Snyder, “Blood Lands,” P409.). Stalin alone put 680,000 people to death during 1937 and 1938, in what is known as his ‘Great Terror’ or ‘the Purges’ (Snyder, “Blood Lands,” P408). So, Mises was correct when he wrote in 1927 that Fascism (not Nazism) had saved Europe from destruction.
But he was wrong to say - “The merit that Fascism has thereby won for itself will live on eternally in history.” Hindsight is a beautiful thing, and Mises (who was Jewish) couldn’t have predicted in 1927 what was to come. However, him saying that Fascism was right in 1927 doesn’t mean he was a ‘racist’, as you claimed. As I’ve made clear, Fascism (not Nazism) was an ideology with a philosophy of Actualism. The technical definition of Fascism, as I’ve explained in my Facism video, is “National Syndicalism with a philosophy of Actualism” (see https://youtu.be/qdY_IMZH2Ko or the book “Mussolini’s Intellectuals” by Gregor). Well, Actualists are not racists. This is why Gregor writes -
“Fascist “racism” throughout the period between 1922 and 1938, however distinctive, was essentially benign - and shared little, if any substance, with the malevolent racism so prevalent across the Alps. None of the major Fascist intellectuals were racists of the sort one found in National Socialist environs. In fact, since many, if not most, of the principal ideologues of Fascism were Actualists, they had principled objections to attributing human behavior to material - that is, biological - causes. They simply could not accept the proposition that an entire population, characterized by ill-defined “racial” traits, could be held, as a body, guilty of anything.” - Gregor, “Mussolini’s Intellectuals,” P193-194.
“The form of anti-Semitism adopted by Fascist Italy, as a consequence, was singularly different from that of National Socialist Germany. However indecent, it shared few of the genocidal traits that have horrified the civilized world. Italian Jews suffered innumerable indignities and material losses, but there is scant, if any, evidence that between 1938 and 1943, any Jews died at the hands of Fascists simply for having been Jewish.” - Gregor, “Mussolini’s Intellectuals,” P217.
So, Mises wasn’t being ‘racist’ when he said that Fascism (not Nazism, which is different) had ‘saved European civilization’. Only by taking him out of context, and failing to even define Fascism (mixing it up with Nazism, which is a separate and distinct ideology) can you possibly claim that Mises was “praising fascism and was a racist”.
Thus, what we have here is a person claiming to be a “Democratic Marxist”, believing in the Anti-Semite prophet known as Karl Marx, denying the Anti-Semitism inherent in his own religion, whilst trying to project that ‘racism’ (classism) and Anti-Semitism (Anti-Capitalism) onto others. And the only answer you’ve provided so far is ignorance and dismissal. I will therefore ask the question again: please explain why Karl Marx wrote -
"The capitalist knows that all commodities, however scurvy they may look, or however badly they may smell, are in faith and in truth money, inwardly circumcised Jews, and what is more, a wonderful means whereby out of money to make more money." - Karl Marx, Das Kapital, page 107.
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"No, that is your claim that you have invented. Capitalists, according to Marx and Engels, are those who own the means of production, according to the Marxist definition."
You obviously haven't read Das Kapital, or Marx's OTJQ, or listened to the evidence presented in this video. Marx says that "Money is the jealous god of Israel" in 'On the Jewish Question'. He then says in Das Kapital vol 1 that money that's used to buy and sell commodities becomes capital (page 104), and that a person who possesses money ("the possessor of money becomes a capitalist" page 107) or accumulates it ("it is only in so far as the appropriation of ever more and more wealth in the abstract becomes the sole motive of his operations, that he functions as a capitalist" page 107). He then says "Capital is money: Capital is commodities", and then "The capitalist knows that all commodities, however scurvy they may look, or however badly they may smell, are in faith and in truth money, inwardly circumcised Jews, and what is more, a wonderful means whereby out of money to make more money." - Karl Marx, Das Kapital, page 107.
You're therefore making up the definition of Capitalism, and not sticking to the Marxist scripture. You're a heretic of the Marxist faith when you claim that Capitalists are "those who own the means of production". They are not - according to the Prophet Karl Marx, they are those who possess and seek the accumulation of more money.
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And yet, in that same text, Gentile said the Fascist State was a "democratic state par excellence!" Why is that?
Is it because democracy isn't at all about "the will of the majority", and that's just a slogan to get you to buy into totalitarianism? No no, it couldn't be...
Democracy is totalitarianism. Always has been, always will be. That's why the Founding Fathers made Republic, not a democracy. The flaw in their system was the democratic elements, which have all but taken over, destroying what once was in the pursuit of power.
Fascism says the nation IS the people, not the majority, and in that sense they are correct. The people are the public, and the public sector is the state. This "voting" is not required under democracy. And indeed, it isn't.
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Okay, if you want to avoid the word "socialism", the problem remains the same. A society/people/state that collectively and centrally plans and controls the economy prevents economic calculation from occurring, effectively seizing up the gears, bringing almost all economic activity to a halt. This was explained by Mises in 1922 in his book "Socialism" which you can get online for free. History has shown time and time again that this always happens, regardless of which variant of Socialism/central control and planning you use. The fundamental problem of ALL Socialism is that it's anti-economics. It places politics above economics, resulting in a collapse of almost all economic activity.
And as I said, it doesn't matter which version of Socialism we're talking about. From democratic socialism, to anarcho-syndicalism, to communism, to collective anarchism, to Labour Party socialism, to Scottish Nationalism, to Fascism, to National Socialism, to Leninism, Stalinism, Maoism... You name it, it doesn't matter, because even though they're all different shapes and sizes, fundamentally they are all broken bottles.
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@poki580 In Chapter 7 of "The Price of Victory" (a great book on the casualty discussion) the authors calculate that 14,534,600 Soviets were killed, captured or missing during WW2. It didn't take sick or wounded into account because a soldier can be sick or wounded multiple times, so it's not possible to use them in the final analysis. It's 8,653,800 dead and missing, plus 5,880,800 captured. I would say that the Price of Victory is probably more accurate than Wikipedia's numbers, which seem to be using Krivosheev's numbers or similar. The Price of Victory argues convincingly why Krivosheev downplayed the losses.
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"You did indeed just say that. Gotta love how you're constantly rubbing it in. :D"
More to come on that particular issue ;)
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"Your style might be unapologetic and abrasive, but I've trusted you ever since I've started watching your channel."
I'm not apologetic when it comes to certain topics that I've researched and know a lot about. Market Garden, Stalingrad, Nazism etc. Other topics that I don't know much about (e.g. Far Eastern Theatre or the Balkan conflict or something), then I'm happy to admit that I don't know or could be wrong.
When it comes to the Marxists though, my patience has worn very thin. With the other Socialists, so long as they're civil (which is not always) then I tolerate them. But the Marxists are on thin ice. And I'm completely unapologetic to the Marxists because I can see through their lies, and because of the way they continue to treat me and others.
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"You have no idea what a relief it is - as a Frenchmen that has argued with Werhaboo for years - to see an English speaking person actually getting it when it comes to the Versailles treaty. And it tells me you're actually doing your due diligence, instead of going with what the overwhelming majority of people have been brainwashed into thinking about the poor victimized Germans just defending themselves against France by invading Poland (smh)."
I'm glad you approve! Yeah, I don't think the Wehraboo narrative is correct. I'm not saying France or Britain or whoever get off completely, but they can't be blamed fully for what happened. Clearly the German State takes a significant portion of the blame.
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"There are great french books debunking the Keynesian bullshit about reparations, but they've never been popular in English, especially compared to the super-star economist (loved by people that really do like stars ... flying high on a field of red, over bodies without numbers)."
Those books don't happen to have been translated into English, do they? I'm sure though I could find books in English debunking the reparations=inflation myth.
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"@TIK I see. So the word "common"( as per your definitions in your pinned comment) is really meaningless and can be replaced with "class," "race" or "nationality" or whatever happens to define these "some people who are in charge.""
No, you just don't understand the origins of the words. An individual is as decentralized as you can get. Taking power away from individuals and giving it to a community (a "public", which means non-individual, and is where the definition "public sector" comes from, meaning state) is centralization.
The origins of the word "public" go back to Greece and Rome, and means "of the people; of the state; done for the state," and "a commonwealth; public property," https://www.etymonline.com/word/public" As the book "Inventing the Individual" makes clear, it means the state. Google's definition of it is here "of or provided by the state rather than an independent, commercial company." Collectivization (which is what socialism is) is as centralized as you can get, since it is anti-individual and thus anti-decentralization. So when the socialists say "common" - they mean state.
To quote Das Kapital v3 - "socialised man, the associated producers," in "common control," of the means of production. A social groups is things like "class" "race" "gender" or "nationality". In Marx's case, his social group was the class, and in Hitler's case it was the race. These are both social-groups, or collectives. But the point is, the class or the race are in "common" control, which means public-sector state control. So it's socialised-worker state control of the economy = Marxism, and socialized-Aryan state control of the economy = National Socialism.
The only murkiness in all of this is that people don't know the definition of socialism, because the socialists are keeping it especially vague in order to trick people into thinking it's all sunshine and rainbows. The reality is it's anti-individual, anti-freedom and pro-slavery and murder. It's all power to the state, with no property rights, nor freedom to even spend your hard-earned money the way you want to, since in theory they want to take it all off you. If you have no money, no property and you're forced to work for a centralized power - is that freedom or is that slavery? And the best part is they're actively saying they want to murder people of different social groups! Now I don't know about you, but murder and enslavement is bad regardless whether you're murdering the wives and children of the bourgeoisie or Jews.
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"What the Allied did is not a war crime. The subsequent treatment of the exchanged by the USSR might qualify as a crime, but it too is technically not a "war crime"."
Please point to the part of the video where I said it was a war crime. That's right, I didn't. I said it was a "crime against humanity". Get your facts right.
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"First, "Operation Keelhaul" itself refers to the last forced repatriation action and involved one thousand Soviet citizens who had served in the German Army."
ONE THOUSAND!? No, you are well off. There were way more than a thousand Hiwis and members of Vlasov's ROA.
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"But much more importantly, to call the repatriation of citizens a war crime is an absurd conclusion."
Again, I didn't. I called it a crime against humanity. Can you not read?
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"Stalin was threatening to hold Allied POW's liberated from German camps unless the citizens, whom he considered traitors were returned."
Yes. I'm going to cover this in PART 2 of the series. So why are you using this against me? Oh, that's right, because you don't want me to talk about this topic because it's embarrassing to adherents of glorious anti-Semitic Marxism https://youtu.be/rZh01xRO_Qg
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"Basing an opinion on Julius Epstein's work is a very risky approach. He was a prominent anti-communist researcher of the Hoover Institution."
Irrelevant. Attack the arguments, not the man.
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"He is also know for accusing the USSR of losing a dozen or more cosmonauts in space."
He also proved that the Katyn Massacre was conducted by the Soviets, not the Germans, as the Soviets claimed. He is the real deal.
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"While this is an event that is important to study, such retrospective judgement is a sign of immaturity."
I see, I'm a child now because I'm not suckling Stalin's breast.
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"Please consider downvoting this video due to its bias and factual inaccuracy.
If TIK is a fair as he usually is and does more research, he might remove or rewrite."
Says the guy who's just made numerous factual inaccuracies and clearly didn't watch the full video, nor pay attention if he did.
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"...I see the levels of corruption and decadence increase not in spite of what our elites are doing but because of them."
Our national and international elites are the problem. So your solution is more of the problem? This is what I don't understand about nationalists or internationalists. You're complaining about the current national or international states, but instead of realising that the state is the problem, you double down and want more of the same. "This time it'll be different". No, it won't. The problem is that humans are irrational! And so the State will always be that too.
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"humans are irrational beings"
Exactly. This is an argument against spiritual nationalism, not for it. If humans aren't rational, then they can't make a rational state. Thus, the solution is not to change their nature, but to accept it, and embrace freedom from the irrationality; freedom from the state. The individual, as flawed as he might be, is forced to comply with nature. And a natural free market rationally regulates him far more than a so-called "rational" state ever could, because the free market doesn't require human rationality in order for it to be rational.
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Race is a social group. So if you believe in the social-constructed concept of race, you believe that society (the State) is divided artificially into racial social groups. And since a social group is a society, and society is the state, you are already believing in National Socialism.
This is why the Critical Race Theorists are rapidly coming to the same conclusions that Hitler did. When you believe in race, and you believe in the Labour Theory of Value (which is inherent to racism, because without it, race is a pointless concept) then you will logically come to the same conclusions Hitler did. Hitler was wrong and evil, but he wasn't a "madman". He believed in the false concepts of race and the Labour Theory of Value, and logically came to the conclusions Hitler did. Well, many Marxists and Socialists believe in race and the Labour Theory of Value, and as this video shows, they're rapidly coming to the same conclusions. History is repeating.
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Hi Flip, thanks for commenting. Just so you know, I'm not trying to shift blame. I think the plan could have been better, I think the execution of the plan could have been a lot better, and I think that Montgomery definitely dropped the ball on this one. The RAF, 1st Airborne and Browning epecially, really messed up.
However, despite a lot of mistakes by pretty much every commander and unit across the entire operation, in my opinion the evidence suggests that the main reason for failure (not the only one, just the main one) was that Nijmegen Bridge wasn't taken on the first day. This lead to a 36 hour delay, by which point the battle was lost.
This is a fact that has been left out - almost covered up - by a lot of the early histories of this battle. The reason why remains unclear, although it's probably Gavin trying to protect his reputation.
And if you're not happy with the fact that I'm English (and you're absolutely right to be sceptical as I may be biased, even though I'm trying not to be) there's a Dutch historian who also shares this view. I'd recommend you read his book, even if you disagree, simply because it explains the battle at Nijmegen in more detail than any other book I've found so far https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lost-Nijmegen-rethink-operation-Market-ebook/dp/B005EH7CIW
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Hi, I have a few more Battlestorm documentaries on my channel, which you can find in this playlist https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLNSNgGzaledgHIszXQVDreX-ZC1Xejf9Y
I'm still making more (I'm actually just taking a quick break from researching the next one right now) so I encourage you to subscribe. Also, if there's any particular battle you'd like to see, let me know. My intention right now is to continue going though the North African Campaign in order, work on the battle of Stalingrad (already started research for, and yep, it's colossal), continue with the LRDG, and maybe do some other battles in between, like St Nazaire.
As John says, I've listed my sources in the video description, although I will point out I have read more books on the topic than that as I've been reading about this battle for years. Those books were just the ones I found most useful for creating this series, especially It Never Snows in September.
The maps and units were all made in photoshop, based on maps made at the time, and mostly hand drawn. Yes, they took a long time to do. The Arnhem map is special as I was able to get a decent map and select the green and turn it into forest. The roads are drawn by hand. It's very accurate https://twitter.com/TIKhistory/status/779968260540366849
I also have a short "behind the scenes" type video on how I do the scripts + research for these videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZyhAdOXxnA
For Market Garden, there definitely was a lot of bad planning from above. Monty shouldn't get off for the plan as it certainly could have been better. But the point I hope people take away is that even with the plan as bad as it was, it could have succeeded... if the plan had been followed at Nijmegen.
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The issue is that there's only a handful of German guards at Nijmegen bridge on the first day. But because the 82nd delays sending anyone towards the bridge for several hours, by the time they get there, the 10th SS Panzer Division arrives from the north, crosses the uncaptured bridge, and they sets up shop in the park right next door to the bridge, preventing anyone from taking it for the next four days. The point is that IF the 82nd had got to the bridge first, the Germans wouldn't have been able to cross the bridge and fortify the city of Nijmegen.
XXX Corps couldn't advance over Nijmegen bridge once 4 (one was knocked out, so 3) of it's tanks had crossed because 4 tanks can't advance without infantry support. The infantry were still fighting the 10th SS Panzer Division at Nijmegen and couldn't cross to support the tanks. So to say they were "too slow" in this case doesn't add up. If the 82nd hadn't been "too slow" to take their primary objective which they failed to do, XXX Corps would have been across Nijmegen bridge at the beginning of day 3.
What happened at Arnhem was the British landed against resistance from the 9th SS Panzer and reserve battalions which halted their progress towards Arnhem road bridge. The British at Arnhem were poorly led and were too slow on the first day. The exception was Frost's Battalion and the units that did make it to the bridge. At Nijmegen though, there was very little between the 82nd and the Nijmegen bridge, and there were only 12 Germans guarding the bridge itself. But NOBODY moved towards Nijmegen for several hours. That's the point.
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Peorhum A semi-long post, but wanted to clarify the facts as stated in the sources I used.
The 504th crossed over in boats (along with British sappers of 615 Field Squadron and 11th Field Company, Royal Engineers) and moved off in various directions. At least two companies moved towards the Nijmegen Bridges.
At the Nijmegen Railway Bridge, the 504th played a decisive role. Some of the Germans in Nijmegen saw the crossing and decided to flee across the railway bridge straight into the American guns. According to Ryan, at least one company was set up and helped kill somewhere in the region of 250 Germans on the bridge itself. We can probably assume some of the kills came from both direct and indirect fire from the south, but little is said on the subject. This bridge was taken about two hours after the initial crossing.
Interestingly the sources I used aren't clear when it comes ot the 504th getting to Nijmegen road bridge. John Burns has said his piece, and perhaps the events didn't happen the way we think? There's certainly a discussion involving whether arguments were had between the US and British troops once the tanks were over - and in my humble opinion, there needs to be more detail surrounding that event and the taking of the Nijmegen bridge itself. But for now, here's what my sources say: -
Neillands says "As the enemy were pushed out of Nijmegen, [XXX Corps] were able to cross the bridge and reinforce the SS troops fighting with the 504th paratroopers on the north bank, who now stood in urgent need of tank support."
Later he says "a troops of Guards' tanks... crossed the Nijmegen bridge under fire, arriving at the far end just as three troopers of the 504th PIR ran to meet them."
Ryan mentions that at least 2 (or 3) 88mm guns and a self-propelled gun were firing from the opposite bank, with the British tanks exchanging fire. So the far bank wasn't completely cleared at the point of crossing. But when the tanks got over the bridge, and had just knocked out the self-propelled gun, the American paras jumped up and hugged and kissed the tank. The kissing event seems silly - when you consider they were in the middle of a firefight - but it is mentioned by Neillands and other sources so it could be true.
Ryan's book (as good a narrative as it is) can't be trusted 100% of the time. Some of the events didn't happen the way he describes them, since he was reliant on interviews conducted many years after the events. And as we all know, memories fade or change with the passing of time. But even in this case, Ryan doesn't suggest that the 504th took the other end of the Nijmegen road bridge. He makes it clear that the fighting was still going on as the tanks passed over the bridge. It seems that a handful of US paras made it to the bridge, but the Germans were still in the area too and it certainly wasn't secure.
But just so we're clear, there's no doubt in my sources that the 504th contributed significantly to the taking of the Nijmegen bridges. They took the northern end of the railway bridge and delt the Germans a severe blow as they tried to flee. And even if they didn't completely secure the other end of the Nijmegen road bridge before the tanks crossed, they were in the area and their presence was felt. They unhinged the Germans' defence and made it easier for the tanks to cross, and sped up the taking of Nijmegen city.
For the moment, I'm going to side with Ryan and Neillands. That is, unless John Burns or someone else can provide us with evidence to the contrary??
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ODDBALL SOK John seems to be pushing a pro-British+anti-USA argument, which is why I've not been getting heavily involved in the discussion between you two as that's not what I'm here for.
I'm trying to make sense of the battle, and for me, the mistake at Nijmegen is a big one that's traditionally been overlooked. In this video, I'm bringing it out into the open so everyone knows about it, since every other documentary out there doesn't even mention it. Even if you don't agree with this argument, that's fine. The point is that at least you're aware that it exists.
I'm not arguing that the British are best or somehow not to be blamed for this. In reality, there are numerous reasons for failure. However, if I was to pick just ONE reason as the biggest, I'd say Nijmegen bridge was the one that tipped the scales. To me, that one just makes the most sense at the moment given the evidence.
That doesn't mean I'll defend this argument to the death. It doesn't mean I'm somehow pro-British or anti-American or anything else. All it means is that until someone can persuade me otherwise, this argument makes the most sense to me from a purely tactical point of view. That is all.
If you haven't seen this other video of mine, please do as it explains my stance quite clearly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHCVKPIY6Pk
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-Wikipedia ಠ_ಠ
Also, the sources used were two of Patton's biographies, both of which are no-doubt biased towards Patton.
Axelrod, Alan (2006), Patton: A Biography, London: Palgrave Macmillan, ISBN 978-1-4039-7139-5
Blumenson, Martin (1972), The Patton Papers: 1885–1940, Boston, Massachusetts: Houghton Mifflin, ISBN 0-395-12706-8
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Your initial comment was - "Nazis were not national socialists they were fascist. You should really start using correct terminology if you want to be treated as scientific channel..."
This isn't an argument, this is a statement. Therefore, the counter to said statement is either 1) not to respond, or 2) to point out that you've not got an argument.
The same applies with the other people who told me to "Neck myself" or "Unsubscribe. Red scare bullshit" (two genuine comments). The "counterarguments" were - "Marx said" (which is irrelevant to the discussion of National Socialism), or "The Nazis were capitalists because they had industrialists, private property, and killed 1,000 socialists out of the 3,000,000 *in their party*". Needless to say, I countered the second argument by pointing out that this wasn't Marxis socialism and therefore explains all three counter-points.
So, now I'm left with people like you who refuse to engage in actual discussion and just troll the comments.
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I'm aware of the posts made on that subreddit, and I'm aware of the other response videos people have made. However, as the new pinned-comments (and my responses to the counterarguments) show, there is definitely a lot of validity to what I'm saying. I've promised my Patreons that I won't make more videos on this topic for a while, simply because the point has been made, and the arguments are just going around in circles (the Marxists are relying on rhetoric and postmodernist tactics, rather than evidence, and are dismissing the points I'm making).
But I'm not over with this. I'm going to do what I did in the past when the Wehraboos disagreed with me - go back to the regular military videos, and use them to show why what I said here was the case. I may not say "this is the socialism in National Socialism", but it's evidence that supports the point, so that eventually I'll be able to tackle this with overwhelming evidence.
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No worries! I don't get a lot of time to respond to comments any more, but I do try :)
I believe you about the Reddit thing. There's a guy in these comments somewhere who is Marxist in the Labour Party who was trying to tell me that the "social democratic" Labour Party is not socialist. I'm thinking - hold on, if it's not socialist, why are you a part of that party?
The default accusation that the Marxists and the Nazis have is to call people out as either a "commie" or a "Nazi". This is a simple, yet effective, tactic to discredit you in the eyes of other users. I've found that the best solution to that is to show them how you reject the idea of the "social group" (race, class, gender, whatever) and instead praise individualism to the extreme. And if they complain or cry about it, just tell them that their opinion doesn't matter because they're not individuals - they're just numbers, and numbers don't have the right to freedom of speech. They really hate that, plus it completely undermines their entire argument on a fundamental ideological level.
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I know. This is despite the fact that, when I have stood my ground, I've won the debate. The Marxists brigaded me and mass-downvoted the video with multiple accounts (I have some screenshots proving this), and told me to "neck myself" and that I'm a liar and clearly a Nazi (which isn't the case). It was quite surprising that they didn't request any evidence in a nice way - they assumed I didn't have any. They chose to act like babies, swearing and ridiculing. But again, when I did stand my ground, they lost.
I was chatting to one guy just before. I knocked back everything he said with additional explanations, evidence and sources. He was completely defeated, and yet still couldn't admit that the evidence presented was overwhelming. Why? Because of his political beliefs.
Sure, these videos weren't 100%. I should have clarified, and I will make a better one in the future. But the poor reaction from that certain ideological-community was completely unwarranted and unfair. This was socialism, and the Holocaust happened, whether they want to deny it or not (which they are doing by claiming Hitler wasn't socialist).
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"Most Nazis and Fascists do not believe in state ownership of the means of production."
The Reichstag Fire Decree abolished private property rights and, as Gunter Reimann's "Vampire Economy" makes clear, they expropriated property if it didn't suit the state. In reality, while the term "privatization" was invented by the Nazis, they used it as a cover for what was really going on - the nationalization of the industries. By 1935, Schacht (minister of economics) said that the bureaucracy "really ruled" the Third Reich. Wage controls, price controls, resource controls, Autarky, workers battalions, Hitler Youth (state-control, end of private youth organizations), state-trade union (abolishing private trade unions), nationalized railways, nationalized media (censorship)... There's no way you could claim that this wasn't socialism, unless you believe the lie that the Marxist Left are putting out there that this was somehow capitalism and wasn't "real" socialism.
Some quotes -
"The Nazis viewed private property as conditional on its use - not as a fundamental right. If the property was not being used to further Nazi goals, it could be nationalized.” Temin, P576
"Some businessmen have even started studying Marxist theories, so that they will have a better understanding of the present economic system.” - Reinmann, Vampire Economy
"It would be absurd to deny the reality of this shift. The crisis of corporate capitalism in the course of the Great Depression did permanently alter the balance of power. Never again was big business to influence the course of government in German as directly as it did between the outbreak of World War I in 1914 and the onset of the Depression in 1929. The Reich's economic administration, for its part, accumulated unprecedented powers of national economic control." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P113
“Control over domestic resources was paralleled by centralized control over imports. Both countries [Nazi and Soviet] controlled and restricted international trade.” Temin, P580
"Both governments reorganized industry into larger units, ostensibly to increase state control over economic activity. The Nazis reorganized industry into 13 administrative groups with a large number of subgroups to create a private hierarchy for state control. The state therefore could direct the firms’ activities without acquiring direct ownership of enterprises. The pre-existing tendency to form cartels was encouraged to eliminate competition that would destabilize prices.” Temin, P582-583
“The Soviets had made a similar move in the 1920s. Faced with a scarcity of administrative personnel, the state encouraged enterprises to combine into trusts and trusts to combine into syndicates. These large units continued into the 1930s where they were utilized to bridge the gap between overall plans and actual production.” Temin, P583
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Hey Martin, yes, I can't reply to all comments, but I'll reply to yourself.
"Are you actually saying that the social systems of countries such as Stalinist USSR or Communist Yugoslavia, and Nazi Germany were so similar in functioning that we can call them both the same term?" - there are parallels with some of them. So yes, I think you can call them the same umbrella term. And there is a historical debate (which I will come back to at some point) that says Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Soviet Union was so similar that there's little to no distinction. I don't know (yet) if I agree or disagree with that, but that debate exists.
"Because I believe that's the main issue here. 90% of your arguments are about what Hitler thought, and not about actual economic policy, not about the state of the economy, about the control of resources, which is 100% the most crucial thing for leftists when discussing... anything. You, on the other hand, focus on ideology, and how Hitler and probably other members of the Nazi party understood the struggle between antagonist groups and how they defined them." - what Hitler thought/said/did, was his socialism. And this is what Martin Bormann said to his son at the time (which is documented).
Hitler reinterpreted the socialist ideology and created a new form of socialism out of it. But I'm not just focusing on ideology here - his practical implication of that ideology is actually socialism too. It's not the 'Marxist' socialism or whatever, but there's nothing to say it ISN'T a form of socialism. As I said in the video, they implemented their version of socialism on central and Eastern Europe (not so much in the west, because Hitler was looking East). If you look at what both the Soviets and the Nazis did in Poland, arguably there's not a lot of difference between the two regimes (killing the Polish intelligentsia and implementing their own form of socialism).
"If you look at it from the position of those who criticized you - primarily materlist leftists I suppose - you cannot be surprised because you are essentially saying "Hey, that most basic thing that matters, it doesn't matter, move on." That's from where the criticism comes, not from you being super wrong about anything, but from a complete misunderstanding of what is actually discussed - and what are the implications." - possibly, but I suspect it's more that they think there is only one definitive version of socialism and there are no alternatives. But of course there are alternatives, and NS is but one alternative, which was definied in the 1910s to 1940s.
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"How do you think Apple determines the price of the iPhone?"
Initially, I'd say they would do cost of product plus whatever they thought they could sell it for based on previous iphone and competitor sales. But if no one bought their products because the price was too high, they'd have to lower their price. This is why prices usually start high when they first come out, then get lowered over time (in theory, they could be increased too, depending on demand). Prices are determined subjectively by the consumer, not by the seller.
"Do they do a free market magic incantations or they estimate how much it costs them to make an iPhone and the result is minimum possible price at which they can actually sell the thing without going broke in the process?"
They know how much it costs them to make a product because they can accurately calculate that based on the free market prices of the materials and labour costs. They can charge more than their competitors because they're making what the consumer subjectively thinks is a 'quality' product. The reality is, if they didn't make quality products, nobody would buy their products, and they'd have to reduce prices. If they reduced prices too much, they'd start making a loss, and that product would be a failure. A good recent example of this is Valve's Steam controller, which originally launched at $49.99 but is now on sale for $5 because nobody wants it https://www.engadget.com/2019/11/27/valve-steam-controller-sale-discontinued/?guccounter=1
"...Kirov plant story..."
Again, only one buyer. The value of a good is not determined by what the state thinks its worth. And again, the cost of the tanks the factory was producing could not be calculated, so the government guessed at a price, the government rejected that price, and the government 'recalculated' an impossible calculation. That's not 'the same' as what happens in a capitalist country.
"Seriously, TIK, you need to read actual stuff on Soviet economics instead of general abstract critique of socialism that you are seemingly rely currently."
You cannot calculate prices without a market economy. The Soviet Union did not have a market economy. Therefore, the prices in the Soviet economy did not reflect the value of the goods. This is why they artificially 'priced' their goods based on what the price of the goods were in western markets.
And I have read 'actual stuff' on the Soviet economy. The problem is that the numbers are meaningless since the Soviet Union did not have a market economy in order to determine prices or value. This isn't 'abstract' at all, it's basic economics.
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How would you know the cost of the materials? How much is a lump of steel? How do you know the price of that lump of steel is that price?
The only way we know the price of a good is because we exchange those goods with other people. Buying and selling generates prices. Without a free market in which to buy and sell millions of goods with millions of people, there's no way to know the price of something.
But let's say that they somehow knew that the cost of the materials was £1, and the labour was £1. That's a £2 tank, right?
Not if nobody buys it. The value of something is subjectively determined by the buyer, not by the cost of material or the labour time. If the tank is only worth £0.50 to the buyer, then the tank is worth less than the cost of the materials and the labour. In a capitalist economy, the tank business would go out of business, thus saving the waste of the material and labour which is now freed to be put to more productive use elsewhere in the economy. But in a socialist economy, they wouldn't know to stop producing, since there are no buyers (everything is owned by the State, or the commune). They would continue to build tanks which are artificially costed too high, wasting the resources of society, and they wouldn't know because there's no way for them to determine the actual cost of the tank. Yes, the price tag of the tank is £2, but it's not actually worth that.
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@Erich Kirk, "Also, you're basically telling us that views you used to have are wrong, and views you have now are right. What an interesting coincidence!"
During my college and university years, I was taught a very Marxist-Socialist/Keynesian view of history, and most of the history books of the 20th Century are also written with those views in mind. I was converted to socialism, like so many others were. I have since that time learnt a lot more about economics, and realized that socialism is exactly the opposite of what it made itself out to be. It is against the workers. It is against the poor. It is immoral. And I discovered that the people who were capitalist were actually for the workers, for the poor, and aren't immoral. Since I favour stronger arguments, I go with the capitalist one.
"You fully understand socialist economics, since you used to be a socialist? What argument is that?"
It means I've read Marx, Engels and many of the other Marxist Socialist economics books. People are pretending that I'm ignorant about such things, but they are deeply mistaken.
"The way WE generate prices is by trading with each other. So basically, there's no other way to calculate prices, because that's how WE calculate prices? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks that it's your entire argument."
That's how prices are generated. What's your counterargument exactly?
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Excellent! Antony Beevor's "Berlin" book is recommended for the Battle of Berlin. David Stahel's books on Barbarossa are good too, and modern. For Stalingrad, go with Beevor again first (his "Stalingrad" book), but progress onto David Glantz's "Stalingrad" (which is a condensed one-volume book of his 5-book series on the battle) after that. The two Stalingrad books will have big, but important contraditions again ;)
I'm not sure about the language issue. Overy is very popular in the west, so it could be available. I honestly don't know because, apart from my recent interest in German, I've no experience with foreign languages. If you can get Citino's book in Bulgarian, I'd be very surprised if you couldn't get Overy too. I hope Glantz publishes in Bulgarian as he's currently the leading expert on the Eastern Front. A word of warning with Glantz though, he goes into the details, and is more interested in where battalions are on a map than what the average soldier was "feeling", if that makes sense.
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No, it's not the lighting - I'm bloody knackered! Working solidly trying to get these videos out, and what you're not seeing is the work going on behind the scenes.
I'm simultaneously working on the biggest Battlestorm documentary I've ever attempted (Crusader) and am eager to get back to the even bigger project (Stalingrad), whilst trying to do these Monday videos. I'm conscious that people are demanding I cover all different projects, and aren't satisfied that I'm not covering the Eastern Front right now (trust me though, Crusader will blow your mind when it's done, regardless whether you're interested in the North African Campaign or not). And I don't want to let anyone down. Nor do I want to let myself down, so I'm doing 70-80 hours a week. On top all this, Monday's video was a disaster, which has knocked me back. It's hay fever season, and my right eyelid droops anyway. All of this is why my eyes look puffy.
So yes, you're probably right about waiting for a video. But I don't know.
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They were only in discussions. They never got to the operational planning phase because, as I said in the video, the Poles and the Germans couldn't come to an agreement over who got what.
Poland may have wanted to remain neutral. Makes sense. But Poland may have also been discussing options for non-neutrality, and that makes sense too. I'm sure these Polish historians who all agree can explain why Poland cooperated with the Germans in the carve-up of Czechoslovakia, and with the attempt to take Lithuania. Because it does seem to be the case that, prior to about March 1939, the Poles were working (at least partly) with the Germans.
There are proofs that Hitler wanted to invade Poland at the beginning of his rule? Funny because Pilsudski also had plans to invade Germany at this time. Now, I totally understand why. However, to make the claim that ALL Polish historians think that Polish foreign policy was to remain neutral clearly have missed that part out.
And yes, Müller did provide proof. Interestingly enough, he quoted from a Polish historian - Frank Golczewski, "Deutsche und Ukrainer 1914-1939" (Paderborn, 2010), p. 681, n. 10. Perhaps you can check that yourself, since I can't read Polish.
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"Maybe this is why big companies might be inefficient, but you know, not all big companies are inefficient."
No, they are, because as you rightly point out, they don't have an internal price system. This is EXACTLY the point that Mises made - there's an economic calculation problem with anything that gets too big. Corporations/Syndicates (collectively owned by their shareholders, which is why they're public ownership of the means of production, otherwise known as Socialist, or corpus, corpse, body, organ - organs of the State, see https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y ) are inherently incapable of competing in a truly free market against smaller competitors for this exact reason. In a free market, there wouldn't be giant corporations. Only in an unfree market like we have now, with wage controls, price controls, regulations, 'laws', manipulated interest rates (the price of currency) and currency printing by the central banks and the central states, can giant monopoly corporations exist. And that State encourages this because it knows, just like the Marxist Syndicalists and Fascists realized, that it's easier to control a handful of Corporations/Syndicates than it is to control millions of small businesses. Therefore the State and Central Banks deliberately create the conditions where monopolies exist, then blame it on 'capitalism'.
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Yeah, I get 1 day deliveries consistently. I don't think they've ever delivered late.
The rest of what you wrote is easily refuted by facts. I didn't just use the Austrian School here. The phrase "scarce resources that have alternative uses" comes from Thomas Sowell's "Basic Economics" which is the Chicago School of Economics.
History theory shows the flaw in just "sticking to facts" (empiricism). I've been over this in my history theory video (made BEFORE I converted from Socialism and Keynesianism to Capitalism) https://youtu.be/PvpJEc-NxVc
In a nutshell, if you use purely empiricism for a complicated subject that you can't possibly know everything about (the knowledge problem described in the video) then you have no choice but to rely upon interpretation of the evidence. The old historians (and continental ones currently) fell short because they tried just using facts. But even they failed to practice what they preached because it's impossible to not provide interpretations of those facts.
Praxeology fills the gap. We know that humans act. To deny this would be to deny the human condition, and history itself. Yes, we could just rely upon 'belief' ("Hitler's a madman") but it's actually better to view the events as the result of human actors ("Hitler had goals, and made the best decisions he could to fulfill those goals, even though he had incomplete knowledge, was a racist, and didn't understand basic economics").
Of course, if we come to silly conclusions, then we reassess. The problem is that other schools (notably the Keynesian and Socialist ideologies) don't do that. This is why we still have people calling for "more Socialism" despite the repeated failure of that system. This is why we still have people calling for inflation, despite the fact we know that interest rate manipulation and currency printing causes the boom bust cycle https://youtu.be/X3L0_pjRdcs
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Yes, the government is the monopoly wanting to stop monopolies 🙄
When you walk upstairs, do you inflate? When a plane takes off from the ground, does it inflate? Does an elevator inflate when it moves to a higher floor? No. Because something that goes up is not an inflation. Prices rises are NOT inflation. An inflation is an expansion of something. And an economic inflation is the expansion of the currency supply.
I point this out because this shows you how terribly wrong lamestream "economists" are. Relevant link https://youtu.be/K0VKzNtZupA
You would do well to realize that everything you said is the typical Keynesian position and easily refutable by just learning the basics of language or economics (I would also encourage you to not use Wikipedia because it's not a source and is often incorrect). This is because the Keynesian position is not economics, but rather an excuse for government control as a way to empower the elite. I therefore refer to is as Kekonomics, because it's keck.
I would suggest listening to the audio books of "Economics in One Lesson" by Henry Hazlitt, and "Basic Economics" by Thomas Sowell. Links - https://youtu.be/eyIfEpNfU2U and https://youtu.be/dQiBD-crrvA
In regards to "market failures", what you're actually referring to is the failure of government. To learn why, read the first ~60 pages of Murray Rothbard's "America's Great Depression". Link to free copy https://mises.org/library/americas-great-depression
As a great Keynesian economist, I would also love you to explain the solution to the Socialist economic calculation problem. You may find Mises's book "Socialism" extremely interesting in this regard https://mises.org/library/socialism-economic-and-sociological-analysis
And finally, here's a response for your last paragraph https://youtu.be/FgyYkLqEyh8
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But by attacking Poland, who had her independence guaranteed by Britain and France, he knew that his attack on Poland would result in war with the British. He was attacking Britain's ally! Even after the attack, Chamberlain asked the Germans to indicate that they would withdraw their troops to prevent a war, warning them that if they didn't that a state of war would exist between them. That's a Prime Minister trying to avoid war, not start one. Hitler and the Germans didn't reply, which is why in his speech Chamberlain said that a state of war now existed between them. So in reality, Hitler knowingly started the war with Britain by attacking her ally https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chamberlain-war-declaration.ogg
"I am speaking to you from the cabinet room at 10 Downing St. This morning the British Ambassador in Berlin handed the German Government a final note stating that, unless we heard from them by 11 o'clock that they were prepared at once to withdraw their troops from Poland, a state of war would exist between us. I have to tell you now that no such undertaking has been received, and that consequently this country is at war with Germany.
You can imagine what a bitter blow it is to me that all my long struggle to win peace has failed. Yet I cannot believe that there is anything more, or anything different, that I could have done, and that would have been more successful. Up to the very last it would have been quite possible to have arranged a peaceful and honourable settlement between Germany and Poland. But Hitler would not have it; he had evidently made up his mind to attack Poland whatever happened. And although he now says he put forward reasonable proposals which were rejected by the Poles, that is not a true statement. The proposals were never shown to the Poles, nor to us. And though they were announced in the German broadcast on Thursday night, Hitler did not wait to hear comments on them but ordered his troops to cross the Polish frontier the next morning.
His action shows convincingly that there is no chance of expecting that this man will ever give up his practice of using force to gain his will. He can only be stopped by force, and we and France are today in fulfillment of our obligations going to the aid of Poland who is so bravely resisting this wicked and unprovoked attack upon her people. We have a clear conscience, we have done all that any country could do to establish peace, but a situation in which no word given by Germany's ruler could be trusted, and no people or country could feel itself safe, had become intolerable. And now that we have resolved to finish it, I know that you will all play your parts with calmness and courage." - Chamberlain
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Ohler says he drank beer in 1943 -
“[Hitler praised] his own vegetarian diet, which his personal physician, who received a tax-free allowance of over 100,000 Reichsmarks on 30 January 1943, had recommended on the basis of its vitamin content and restorative properties.1 To calm his nerves he had the occasion to neglect the rules that had once seemed incontrovertible: after dinner Patient A now sometimes drank a beer, or knocked back a slivovitz, which had previously been analysed by the field laboratory, acting on the Führer’s orders, for methyl alcohol.” - Ohler, “Blitzed,” P166-167.
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Every argument you've presented in the comments of all my videos has been awful. Lots of viewers have debunked your claims, I've debunked your claims, we've provided you tons of evidence that goes against your arguments, you've dismissed us, made false accusations, and are still preaching nonsense now. A strawman claim is a strawman argument in itself! But again, you're just repeating what other Socialists have said in the past, even though such points don't work.
Claiming that I've redefined words, when it is the postmodernist Marxist-Socialists who have been PROVEN to have redefined the words, as I've shown, and as others have shown, is a joke. You can't "correct" history with insults. You can't "correct" history by claiming that Hitler privatized the industries when I've shown that he actually nationalized them. You can't "correct" history by claiming that 2+2=5 when I've shown my workings out and proven your maths is off.
Most Socialists don't know what Socialism is. They can't agree on the definition. When they claim it's one thing, and I show them that what they claim actually means State control, they say "no" and change the definitions again to avoid the reality. It's classic postmodernist tactics, and I can see straight through it. Your Denialism is laid bare for all to see.
The best part is that when I was a Socialist, I knew what Socialism was! I knew it was State control. I just assumed that State control was the way to go. I have since realized I was mistaken, but at least I was honest with myself. Socialists in the USA especially seem to think Socialism isn't State control as they call for State control. Yet it is me who apparently has it wrong.
Seriously, I've no idea why you keep commenting. You're not going to convince me that Socialism isn't State control without using logic, which you can't do because the logic says it's State control. So you're doomed to keep repeating the same rubbish over and over. If you've got an argument that says Socialism isn't State control, and if you think it will stand up to scrutiny, give it to me. Otherwise start accepting the truth.
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Tips: Do everything on computer (I use Google docs). It does vary from topic to topic. For Battlestorms, or if I come up against a new subject, I pick one book which I think is the MOST detailed account I need on a topic. I go through that and make extensive notes in one docs file with reference etc. Then I pick a second one and (depending on how in-depth the first was) I do the same. Usually, after two to three books, you have the basis for what's needed.
Then I create a docs file for the script (the final essay), import the notes into that, and start editing. It's easier to edit when you've got a basis for what you need, rather than starting from scratch. Then, after those books are in, I pick up others (one at a time) and go through them, adding anything I think is useful into the script, or adding additional references in conjunction with the ones I already have.
Recently though (and I'm not sure if this is a better method or not), I've just been writing what I want to say, backed up by page references and quotes. However, I don't normally do this until I've fully gone through that first most in-depth book in order to get a full picture.
I hope this makes sense.
Also, don't read full books if you don't need to. Skip to the relevant bits. No point reading about 1941 if you're looking at something in 1943.
Also, get up early and work work work. Work until your head hurts. I've heard that people can only concentrate for 2-3 hours a day. That's true, but it's only applicable to one topic. If my head is "full" of one topic, I try to switch to another, or go for a walk and think about what I'm going to say.
It also helps that I practically lock myself in my room for hours or weeks at a time. See the book "Deep Work" by Cal Newport for more info. Also, look up "NaNoWriMo" and the concept behind it. Even though it's meant to be for fiction, it's surprising how much you can get done if you do a little each day. Also, set artificial deadlines and stick to them (e.g. I will get 4,000 words of research done each week, or else!). Then use procrastination to your advantage. Leave everything until two days before, and use your "oh no!" moment to cram cram cram :D
In addition, I'm considering doing a video soon about my "personality type" which might be of interest to you, because it'll explain a lot.
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"As for economics, yes you don't know as much as you think, after all you think a plc and a state owned company are the same thing. In a plc the shares are traded publicly on a stock exchange and in a state owned business no shares are traded. Which means they are not the same. Yes a government can retain a share in a plc, like they did with the Royal Mail until quite recently."
1. Collective ownership of the means of production = socialism. So a company that's 'public' (a State) and is collectively owned by their shareholders, is a Syndicate, or Corporation. A Syndicate or Corporation is a trade union (a fasci) which "embodies the nation"... body, corpse, corporation, which is where the name comes from.
2. Royal Mail is owned by the State. It's part of the FTSE 250, meaning that it is directly being funded by the State through the Bank of England's "stimulus" packages. If it is funded by the State, it is the State.
3. A hierarchy of society is not a private individual. It is a public body. This makes it a State. Regardless of whether a Corporation is a Central State or not, it is a State in and of itself. So note: I'm not saying that two States are the same, which is what you're accusing me of saying. I'm saying that a Corporation itself is a State.
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"It's amazing that You Tube is so bothered by your comments they have taken no real action"
They've been deleting my comments, they've been restricting my videos, they've been limiting my ad revenue in an attempt to suppress the content.
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"after all they are a private business, a Limited Liability Corporation,"
They're not an individual, and thus they are not private. They are a Corporation (a public group) which is a hierarchy of society consisting of thousands of people, which embodies the people, and is collectively owned by their shareholders. I'm not sure how you could possibly claim that YouTube is an individual human being (private). It's quite clearly 'public'. See my Public vs Private video https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
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"and can legitimately silence you without infringing your freedom of speech."
Silence is speech now, is it?
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"But they don't seem to have done this, although they did make it harder for people to see your video about the Greek famine in WW2 by not recommending it this is not censorship to all but thinnest of skinned conspiracy theorists."
Censoring a video (and more videos besides) is not censorship now? And how does them censoring my video make me a conspiracy theorist exactly? Please connect the dots for me because the evidence is clear that they're suppressing my content.
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"You Tube, is there to make money for its owners, Google, and films about famines or other disasters including wars are not money makers for them."
Incorrect. YouTube and Google and Alphabet have embraced what is known as 'Stakeholder Capitalism'. Apart from the fact that this oxymoronic phrase isn't even possible, and definitely isn't capitalism, the fact is that they don't want to make a profit. You must remember what Karl Marx said about money... which I can't repeat because YouTube deletes my comments when I criticise Karl Marx... so I can't quote him directly and will just have to give you the PG version. Marx believed money was bad, and profit was bad. Well, the believers of so-called 'Stakeholder Capitalism' think the same, and set out to not make a profit. YouTube doesn't make a profit - or, if it does, not much of one.
From Business Insider: "Even as Google disclosed YouTube's ad revenue, it kept other key information about the business close to the vest, most notably declining to provide information on whether YouTube is profitable or not." https://www.businessinsider.com/youtube-ad-revenue-15-billion-2019-google-breakout-2020-2?r=US&IR=T
The point is: if YouTube doesn't want to make a profit, then it doesn't matter if they monetize a video or not. And I honestly don't care if they monetize a video or not.
What I do care about is their censorship and suppression of my content (and other people's content), and the deletion of my comments on my own channel, or the deletion of other people's comments on my channel. And they're not doing this to protect the viewer, they're doing it for blatantly obvious political reasons. They have no trouble showing some of my videos when talking about starving civilians in Leningrad or Stalingrad etc but as soon as I start mentioning a Socialist lockup of the economy being the direct cause of famine, oh no, can't have that because that goes against their beloved 'Stakeholder Capitalism'. Also, they don't seem to like criticism of Karl Marx, but perfectly allow comments praising him or defending him and the horrid policies he called for (which I can't quote due to threat of deletion), for some reason... But the AI algorithm isn't biased or anything.
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For Germany these are probably the most relevant.
Books -
Fritz, S. “Ostkrieg: Hitler’s War of Extermination in the East.” University Press of Kentucky. 2011.
Hayward, J. “Stopped at Stalingrad: The Luftwaffe and Hitler’s Defeat in the East 1942-1943.” University Press of Kansas, 1998.
Liedtke, G. “Enduring the Whirlwind: The German Army and the Russo-German War 1941-1943.” Helion & Company LTD, 2016.
Tooze, A. “Wages of Destruction: The Making & Breaking of The Nazi Economy.” Penguin Books, 2007.
Articles -
Hayward, J. “Too Little Too Late.” From Journal of Military History 64 (July 2000): 769-94.Toprani, A. “Oil and Grand Strategy: Great Britain and Germany, 1918-1941.” PhD Dissertation. Georgetown University, 2012.Toprani, A. “The First War for Oil: The Caucasus, German Strategy, and the Turning Point of the War on the Eastern Front, 1942.” From The Journal of Military History 80 (July 2016): 815-854.Toprani, A. “Germany’s Answer to Standard Oil: The Continental Oil Company and Nazi Grand Strategy, 1940-1942.” From the Journal of Strategic Studies 37 (December 2014): 949-973.
Not sure on Japan, sorry.
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No, the Soviets had 2,743,000 on the Axis-Soviet Frontier (including Finland). They had 5,700,000 troops in total. This at a time when the Axis had 3,957,910 men on the Eastern Front, and the Germans had mobilized 7,309,000 men in the Wehrmacht.
If they hadn't mobilized at all, they would have had 930,000 total men everywhere (as they had in 1936). It's a good job they did mobilize prior to the German attack.
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As I said at the end, the point of tanks is the exploitation part - not the tank vs tank bit. I also said infantry, AT and artillery all working either with or against the tanks. I didn't say the word "doctrine", but that's what it is.
Yes, they were outnumbered if you hold up two numbers and say - "this is the number of men who took part on both sides of the war". The point you're missing is that if one side outnumbers the other, they're going to deal more pain to the weaker side. The Soviets in the first months of the war were feeding men into the front, and losing a lot of them. But the Germans had superiority in numbers. This gave them the advantage in the battles they fought, which goes some way in explaining why they won those battles. This situation changes in December 1941, which is when the Germans are no longer advancing.
(Side note - they advance during Blau, but I'll get to that in another video. Main point being they concentrated in the south, while the Soviets concentrated in the north)
I don't think I have them (might have the first) so I'll take a look at the books, thanks :)
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I don't want to undermine your praise of me, but I do want to clarify a few things. The videos are monetized (adverts by YouTube). However, you're correct that I don't place several adverts within the videos themselves, or do the "and now a word from our sponsors" thing, even though I've had companies ask me to do that. I do have a Patreon, and my Patreons are the ones keeping this channel afloat, and allow me to do pump out videos weekly. The money I make off the YouTube adverts is minimal and I wouldn't be able to make this channel on them alone. But you're correct that my priority is the viewer and the quality of the history, not the dollars. Extra money goes back into the production of the videos, either in terms of quality (books, software, hardware) or quantity (actual manpower hours to make the videos). I currently work 74 hours a week on average for just over minimum wage if I was working 40 hours. I've also taken a large pay cut to do this full time.
Despite this, I recently got accused by someone of "selling out", which makes zero sense. People have actually been asking me if I can sell merchandise, which I don't because I know I'll just get accused of "selling out", even though the extra money would be used to hire an editor to make the videos faster (maybe 2 or 3 a week). But yes, people are actually asking me to sell merchandise, and I'm not simply because I don't want a false label! Considering I've spent more money on YouTube than I've ever made, "selling out" is not what's happening here.
So yes, long message, but I want you to be fully informed about how I finance this channel so you're not under a false impression.
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I've seen some videos on the situation in Iran and I am very much aware of the hyperinflation there. You can't do anything to stop the government from hyperinflating, but you can do things to protect yourself, and that should be your priority. I suspect you're already doing many of them - like spending your currency as soon as possible, buying goods with it for barter later, and improving relationships with your friends, family and neighbourhood. Picking up extra skills etc, or leaving the country if that's an option. Educating people about what's happening, and assume that the government has no intention to fix things, which means the situation will only get worse.
If you haven't done already, read Murray Rothbard's "America's Great Depression" which explains the causes of the recession and the reason for inflation. You can get a free PDF copy from here https://mises.org/library/americas-great-depression
Gold is the usual go-to commodity to protect your wealth in the long term, so ideally you should find bullion, but if not, jewelry is okay too. It may not go up at the same rate as inflation, but it will 'pop' as the inflation gets worse. Without getting too technical, it's really only in the aftermath that you'll see it has preserved your wealth, if it doesn't beforehand. I intend to do more on the Weimar hyperinflation, but it may be too late to help you.
I'd suggest watching this video from the 12 minute mark https://youtu.be/pUfn_aKQCjg (while it is on Mises, this guy gives a non-Austrian view of hyperinflation and how to solve it which might be worth watching to get an alternative perspective)
And this guy's family survived hyperinflation in Romania https://youtu.be/Vcn8EQ_d0W4
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According to Wikipedia: "Clickbait is a text or a thumbnail link that is designed to attract attention and to entice users to follow that link and read, view, or listen to the linked piece of online content, being typically deceptive, sensationalized, or otherwise misleading."
My video wasn't deceptive, sensationalised or misleading. A Patreon supporter asked the question (you know, the people making this channel financially viable), and I answered it. It would have been clickbait if I hadn't answered the question, but instead talked about what I had for breakfast... But because I directly answered the question, it's not classed as clickbait at all.
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"it at least increases taxes on those who consume more."
Everyone is hit with a flat 20% tax, and if you're on low pay and spending all your money just to survive, 20% of your money is going to the pockets of the rich. Also, if these business owners are registered for VAT, they can claim that back as a "business expense". The King or the aristocracy aren't really going to be targeted for tax evasion, so they're able to get away with it.
According to this source, only a handful of people are actually charged with tax evasion https://www.patrickcannon.net/insights/uk-tax-evasion-statistics/ In one financial year (2018), approximately £1.7 billion of tax is "avoided" and £4.6 billion is "evaded" (not sure what the difference is). But over a decade the tax enforcers only recovered £3 billion in "offshore tax evasion". In other words, this is rife, and you'll note that they seem to be focused on "companies" not the aristocracy.
In this case, "One single aristocrat just avoided more in inheritance tax than the entire NHS deficit" https://www.thecanary.co/uk/2016/08/12/single-aristocrat-avoided-more-entire-deficit/
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The way I thought of it originally was that Season 1 would be 3 episodes so I could see how I'd get on. I was (and still am) thinking that bi-weekly episodes for editing Stalingrad are way too frantic a pace to be done indefinitely, so I thought that I could commit to 3 episodes without burning myself out too much, then take a break from the editing to work on future Seasons, then get back to it once I was ready. It also made sense because I had just about enough information to make 3 episodes of the initial July fighting at the Don.
So I designed Season 1 to be 3 episodes and Season 2 to be 3 episodes as well. I also almost finished the script for Season 2 prior to getting the map from Terri. However, Anton Joly is now helping me and is giving me a lot of extra sources which has changed things. Therefore Season 2 may be 4 episodes rather than 3.
I guess that I do want the Seasons to cover certain periods in the fighting, but at the same time, I don't want to burn out. So I think 1 to 5 episodes is about right for the length of a Season. And I will try to finish each season at a place in the fighting which makes sense to have a break (e.g. cliffhanger or something). That said, I won't compromise the details or the action just to fit into episodes. I will fit in the details which I think are necessary and then plan the episodes around that. If I can't fit something in, then I'll move that bit to the next episode or season.
Also, video scripts are currently +5,000 words for about 45 minutes each video, which is longer than Courland videos were. I may reduce this slightly just to make things more feasible/practicable. The more I frantically do the editing between episodes, the more likely I am to burnout and begin to hate the project. Therefore, since we're in this for the long term, it's best if I adapt for the marathon now rather than sprint and give up.
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Good question! And I actually have been thinking about this sort of issue myself. I strongly recommend that you watch my Public vs Private video, because I somewhat explain this, although not exactly.
There comes a point as the hierarchy gets bigger that it can no longer be classed as 'private'. Where that cut-off is, I'm not sure if I'm honest. But I would say that if a hierarchy (a corporation or business) has more than say 50 or 100 employees, can we really class it as a private anymore? Is it an individual, or small family? Is 1000 people a "small family"? If a tribe had 100 people in it, would we say it was 'private' or 'public'? Would we say it was a family? Maybe, but I honestly don't think so.
Right now I don't want to put a number on it, but I'd say that once you get over so many employees (100, or perhaps less), it really can't be classed as 'private' any more. It shifts to becoming 'public'. This is the case even if it's not on the stock exchange, simply because there's a bunch of people in the hierarchy. Another way to see it would be looking at the Public vs Private video and seeing the 'Gentes' class. It's sort of border-line (the crossroads) between public and private. I hope that makes sense.
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Thank you for the link! Yeah, it's critique-ception at this point.
I appreciate the response, but the guy is making similar mistakes to "Owning Dishonest Shills", in that he hasn't watched the videos in full (especially the Public vs Private video), and has muddied the terms (totally not his fault, he just hasn't researched this). This is why I think it's important to watch my Public vs Private video because I have done the research and it clarifies a lot of this.
For example, if a hierarchy of society (a "corporation" with hundreds or thousands of people working for it) is actually "capitalist" because it is owed "privately" (run by a leader), then by this logic that means that every State that has ever existed has been capitalist because they've all been run by leaders. Millions of people working in the "public sector" of the UK government would therefore be "privately" owned and therefore "capitalist" because they have a Prime Minister and a Queen. It would also make feudalism capitalist, and every political party capitalist... I could go on.
BUT, a million people cannot be classed as "private" because they've got a leader. The million people themselves are a "public". Thus, a hierarchy of society (a "body" of the people, a "corpse" of the people, a "corporation") is public, regardless if one guy is in charge of it or not. Where the terms got muddied is in Fascist/Syndicalist ideology, where they decided that a "body of the people" is a "body", and therefore an "individual" (a "private"). Thus, by the Fascist/Syndicalist world-view, corporations and States are individuals, and therefore are a "living organism". This giant "organism" is viewed by the Fascists/Syndicalists as superior to the individuals that make it, and therefore deserves more rights than the individual. The leader of the "Corporate State", is thus the "embodiment of the people" and the owner of "the people", and all must bow to him, which is why Mussolini said "All within the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State".
This is where I've stepped in and, after doing research into the words themselves, have said "no" to this. A million people is not a "private" entity, it is "public" because a million people in a hierarchy of society is always "public". A State or a corporation isn't an individual, nor is it classed as "private" just because some guy runs it, because the "body of the people" itself is "pubic". This view not only rejects the Fascist worldview, it also clarifies that not all States in history are privately owned and therefore "capitalist".
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I see. So nobody is on the Left? There are no social democrats, no Critical Race Theorists, no Marxists, no Labour Party members, no Democrats, no Central Bankers, no politicians, no civil servants and no feminists, nobody at all on the Left believing in central planning or state control of the means of production?
Oh yes, that's right, there is.
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Great! And yes, ask me anything!
Absolutely stay off Wikipedia. That site can by written by anyone, with or without an education in history and with or without bias and agenda's to push. Stick to history books or articles (you can use Wikipedia to see which books are being used), or the primary sources if you can get access to them.
If you're doing something in-depth and accurate like what I've done here, then I highly encourage you to read and take notes from every book on the topic you can get your hands on. After you've done that, then write your script. If you're doing a quick-general-history video that's not in-depth, then you can probably get away with using a few books. The reason is because when you go in-depth you find a lot of "contradictions" in the narrative. Was that unit here or was it actually there? Why was that decision made? Who's to blame for this going wrong? As an example, Frost makes the decision to withdraw in this video - but why? All the sources differ in their opinion, leaving me to make a decision on it. And this is just a small operation, imagine the amount of times you'll come across similar decisions during the D-Day operation. I can tell you that in my research, Stalingrad is a whirlpool of contraversial decisions, mistakes, lies and opinions. And this is the heart of history for me. You can play it safe and do a short "Stalingrad started in August of 1942 and this is roughly what happened" or you can dig deep and do a big video that says things like "some historians argue that the battle of Stalingrad was lost before the first German set foot in the city" or "It's time to ask the question: was Paulus as passive as history has written him to be? The reality is...".
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I touched upon the numbers of the divisions and units for the 13th of September in the previous video (E18). Here were the numbers for the 13th -
38th Motorized Rifle Brigade - 2,370 men
6th Tank Brigade - 18 T-34s
399th Rifle Division (now a 'regiment') - 565 men
272nd NKVD Rifle Regiment - strength not known, but probably no more than 1,500 men, if that
Soviet total - approx 4,500 men and 18 T-34s
x2 regiments from 295th Infantry Division - a guesstimate of 4,000 men
x1 regiment from 71st Infantry Division - a guesstimate of 2,000 men
We know 38th Motorized Rifle Brigade had 1,100 men at the end of the 13th, and 6th Tank Brigade had just 3 to 6 tanks left. We also know that there were no more than 29 StuGs in 51st Army Corps, so it's reasonable to assume ~12 were in this area in question. So, based on this, I'd say that
the Soviet counter-attack strength was roughly 3,000 men and either 3 or 6 T-34s, and the Germans had around 6,000 men (could be less, maybe 5,000) and probably 12 StuGs.
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"I would just like to comment that I stopped watching the Stalingrad series at the beginning when you supported the 227 order "not one step back"."
You must have misunderstood me. I didn't 'support' Order 227. Explaining what it was, as opposed to what it wasn't (e.g. the way 'Enemy at the Gates' portrays it, or Beevor) doesn't mean I support it. It's wrong to take a life. However, it was designed primarily for the officers, not the men under them - and you will see concrete examples of this next episode.
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"If I remember correctly, according to Antony Beevor (whom you also insulted in the introduction), the final Soviet plan of November to surround the city was based on that of the Soviet expert of mobilized deep battle principles of Mikhail Tukhachevsky who had been killed in the purge at Stalin's orders. This just goes to show how the purges seriously impacted the Soviet performance while causing needless loss of life. Stalin not only did away with Tukhachevsky himself but also discredited his principles until this point."
Hold on, are we talking about Order 227 or the Purges? You seem to be mixing the two up here. The Purges happened before the war, and I've covered the effects of this on the Red Army here - https://youtu.be/JnWNnI6YlQQ
Again, the Purges were terrible for everyone involved. However, the effects of the Purges (like Order 227) were somewhat exaggerated in western histories. Again, discussing a topic and correcting previous mistakes that historians have made doesn't mean I support the policies I'm discussing.
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If you have more than others, the altruist hates you and despises you to the core. Altruists believe themselves to be morally superior and close to god - it is, fundamentally, a religion.
Socialism isn't neo-pagan. It's built on Neo-Platonism (itself influenced by the Orphics) just like Christianity. This is why many of the ideas are shared with the Orphic religion, such as the idea that man had a low part (body), and a high part (soul). These two parts are in eternal conflict. The soul is akin to God, but it sinned and fell from grace. As a punishment, it was included in the body on this earth. The body is therefore the prison, or tomb, of the soul. We will go through a series of reincarnations - the “Wheel of Birth” - until the soul can escape this earth and reunite with God, achieving true happiness and salvation. They believed that “purification” of the soul by living an ascetic life (a pleasure-denying life), which will allow us to go back home [to go back to Eden]. There were rituals they had to perform to achieve this... I mean, you can see the influence.
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"If who produces the thing is to determine whether or not the thing is counted as being part of GNP"
Interestingly, our State doesn't count all things that relate to GDP or GNP. For example, as far as I'm aware, nobody has counted my YouTube videos as contributing to GNP, even though they technically should be, since it is a product or service that's going to the consumer.
"does that mean that privately-produced health care services should count towards GNP, but government-produced (such as what the UK has) should not?"
I don't think either should be counted towards GNP. Curing two patients with different ailments is not the same. One might have a headache, the other a broken leg. Clearly, counting both as equally towards GNP would be silly. And, for me, all GNP or GDP numbers are stupid anyway, since value is subjective. If we produced a ton of bicycles, but nobody wanted them, then our GDP would be high, even though we've made little of value.
"I'm currently employed part-time as a delivery driver, but I lost my other job because of Corona, so I'm eligible for unemployment benefits (far more than I would be normally, as of two days ago)."
I'm sorry to hear that, and I hope you quickly find another job!
"Let's talk about unemployment payments... Here's the problem: my benefits are reduced dollar-for-dollar with what I earn at work, which means that I'm essentially working for free. In fact, I'm losing money because I still have to come out of pocket for gas and mileage."
Yes, it's a stupid system.
"Wouldn't it make more sense to reduce benefits by seventy-five or fifty cents per dollar earned, so as to encourage people to take part-time work to supplement their income during a job search?"
Probably. My other thought on this would be that: if you knew you'd not receive unemployment benefits from the State when you lost your previous job, and were not paying tax, you'd have saved some money (now not being taxed from you) for a 'rainy day'. While you'd now be living on your savings, you'd at least have a roof over your head, food in your belly, and would have an incentive to get a job asap - part-time or not.
The State tax-system has not only robbed you of your savings, but has already disincentivised you from saving, and being in a better financial position before you lost your job, then has made it worse for you to find a job (through economic manipulations) and is further disincentivizing you from finding worth through its benefits system.
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Awesome comment :) On your points -
1st Point: for numerous reasons (which I intend to visit in a later video) I still think the Red Army would have had a hard time in 1941, even with different leadership. However, you're right to point out that more "modern" commanders would have helped things, and I agree with that.
2nd Point: This is the critical point for me. I am convinced that it wasn't the Purge of the officers that did the most damage to the Red Army, but the introduction of Commissars and their heavily negative influence over those officers. But is this part of the Purges or a separate issue? The Purges were over in 1941, yet the Commissars remained. It was only in late 1942 that they were removed, paving the way to the first real Soviet offensive victory of the war.
3rd Point: In the US Army, a lot of the old pre-war generals never came back. But during the war, a lot of sackings took place. However, these generals weren't removed, they were recycled. Placed back in other divisions and given a second, third, fourth chances. A "sacking" in the US Armed Forces wasn't a career-ender, it was more of a slap on the wrist - and a very effective one at that. At least, this is according to Ricks (see description). The same applied in the Red Army, although in a different sort of atmosphere.
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Every person is different. I think people forget this. We're all individuals. There are bad doctors just as there are good doctors. Good policemen, and bad policemen. Well, some people want to be ruled by fascists and others want to be ruled by communists. Some people probably hated the Soviets more than they disliked the Germans. But I would argue they were being ignorant about Nazi intentions. Let me explain -
A cursory glance at Hitler's Mein Kampf will show you what he planned to do with the Slavs, which he deemed to be nothing more than slaves. In Hitler's view, Slavs couldn't run their own state, and had to be ruled by another race. In the case of the Soviet Union, this was the Jews - which is where the term Judeo-Bolshevism comes from. His plan was for Germany to wipe out the Jews and claim his prize - the living space in the East, the resources, and, of course, the slaves he needed for his thousand year Reich.
If Germany had won in the East, those people who had supported the Germans may have been spared. But they still would have been enslaved, and would have watched millions of their fellow countrymen being starved, deported to the slave labour camps of the Reich, and executed.
But at the same time, I understand why they also wouldn't support the Soviet regime because the Soviet regime had also starved them. Realistically, what these people are probably better saying is that the Ukraine needs to be independant from both Germany and Russia, and, given the history, that is absolutely correct.
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Except most Germans died in the East. That's not to say the other powers weren't involved, but certainly in 1942 the losses in the West were nothing compared to the East -
"Total German losses including prisoners number 13,488,000 men, representing 75 percent of all mobilized forces and 46 percent of the 1939 adult male population of Germany. Of these, 10,758,000 fell or were taken prisoner in the East. Today, the stark inscription "Died in the East," carved on countless thousands of headstones in German cemeteries, bears mute witness to the carnage in the East, where the will and strength of the Wehrmacht perished."
Glantz, D. "When Titan's Clashed: How the Red Army Stopped Hitler." University Press of Kansas, 2015. P357
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Google’s definition of socialism - “a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.”
“any economic or political system based on government ownership and control of important businesses and methods of production” “an economic, political, and social system that is based on the belief that all people are equal and should share equally in a country's money:” https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/socialism
“1. any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods” “2. a system of society or group living in which there is no private property” “b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state” “: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done” https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism
“Socialism is a set of left-wing political principles whose general aim is to create a system in which everyone has an equal opportunity to benefit from a country's wealth. Under socialism, the country's main industries are usually owned by the state.” “1.
an economic theory or system in which the means of production, distribution, and exchange are owned by the community collectively, usually through the state. It is characterized by production for use rather than profit, by equality of individual wealth, by the absence of competitive economic activity, and, usually, by government determination of investment, prices, and production levels” “2. any of various social or political theories or movements in which the common welfare is to be achieved through the establishment of a socialist economic system” “3. (in Leninist theory) a transitional stage after the proletarian revolution in the development of a society from capitalism to communism: characterized by the distribution of income according to work rather than need”
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/socialism
“1 A political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.” “The term ‘socialism’ has been used to describe positions as far apart as anarchism, Soviet state Communism, and social democracy; however, it necessarily implies an opposition to the untrammelled workings of the economic market. The socialist parties that have arisen in most European countries from the late 19th century have generally tended towards social democracy” https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/socialism
“An economic system in which goods and services are provided through a central system of cooperative and/or government ownership rather than through competition and a free market system.”
http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/socialism.html
“Socialism, social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources. According to the socialist view, individuals do not live or work in isolation but live in cooperation with one another. Furthermore, everything that people produce is in some sense a social product, and everyone who contributes to the production of a good is entitled to a share in it. Society as a whole, therefore, should own or at least control property for the benefit of all its members.
“This conviction puts socialism in opposition to capitalism, which is based on private ownership of the means of production and allows individual choices in a free market to determine how goods and services are distributed. Socialists complain that capitalism necessarily leads to unfair and exploitative concentrations of wealth and power in the hands of the relative few who emerge victorious from free-market competition—people who then use their wealth and power to reinforce their dominance in society. Because such people are rich, they may choose where and how to live, and their choices in turn limit the options of the poor. As a result, terms such as individual freedom and equality of opportunity may be meaningful for capitalists but can only ring hollow for working people, who must do the capitalists’ bidding if they are to survive. As socialists see it, true freedom and true equality require social control of the resources that provide the basis for prosperity in any society. Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels made this point in Manifesto of the Communist Party (1848) when they proclaimed that in a socialist society “the condition for the free development of each is the free development of all.
“This fundamental conviction nevertheless leaves room for socialists to disagree among themselves with regard to two key points. The first concerns the extent and the kind of property that society should own or control. Some socialists have thought that almost everything except personal items such as clothing should be public property; this is true, for example, of the society envisioned by the English humanist Sir Thomas More in his Utopia (1516). Other socialists, however, have been willing to accept or even welcome private ownership of farms, shops, and other small or medium-sized businesses.
“The second disagreement concerns the way in which society is to exercise its control of property and other resources. In this case the main camps consist of loosely defined groups of centralists and decentralists. On the centralist side are socialists who want to invest public control of property in some central authority, such as the state—or the state under the guidance of a political party, as was the case in the Soviet Union. Those in the decentralist camp believe that decisions about the use of public property and resources should be made at the local, or lowest-possible, level by the people who will be most directly affected by those decisions. This conflict has persisted throughout the history of socialism as a political movement”
https://www.britannica.com/topic/socialism
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"@TIK The Nazis did not have a coherent economic philosophy, and to conflate Nazism with Socialism/Communism neglects the essential economic foundation of Socialism." "He collaborated with privately owned businesses and insured their continuation (and private, not group, ownership) after he took power." "As long as it takes some control of the economy, then I guess it's socialism."
Socialism is the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). Capitalism is the private (individual, non-state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy).
Let's explain Nazi "privatization" for you -
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28 February 1933 -
Order of the Reich President for the Protection of People and State
On the basis of Article 48 paragraph 2 of the Constitution of the German Reich, the following is ordered in defense against Communist state-endangering acts of violence:
§ 1. Articles 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124 and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. It is therefore permissible to restrict the rights of personal freedom [habeas corpus], freedom of (opinion) expression, including the freedom of the press, the freedom to organize and assemble, the privacy of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communications. Warrants for House searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.”
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Articles of the Weimar Constitution affected -
Article 115.
The dwelling of every German is his sanctuary and is inviolable. Exceptions may be imposed only by authority of law.
Article 153.
Property shall be guaranteed by the constitution. Its nature and limits shall be prescribed by law.
Expropriation [noun, the action by the state or an authority of taking property from its owner for public use or benefit.] shall take place only for the general good and only on the basis of law. It shall be accompanied by payment of just compensation unless otherwise provided by national law. In case of dispute over the amount of compensation recourse to the ordinary courts shall be permitted, unless otherwise provided by national law. Expropriation by the Reich over against the states, municipalities, and associations serving the public welfare may take place only upon the payment of compensation.
Property imposes obligations. Its use by its owner shall at the same time serve the public good.
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GNU, cite your sources. Also, most Germans died on the Eastern Front. Regardless of AFV losses (although by your own stats that means 65% were lost in the East) or of aircraft losses (assuming your figures are correct), the majority of German foot soldiers perished in the East. To quote Glantz -
"Total German losses including prisoners number 13,488,000 men, representing 75 percent of all mobilized forces and 46 percent of the 1939 adult male population of Germany. Of these, 10,758,000 fell or were taken prisoner in the East. Today, the stark inscription "Died in the East," carved on countless thousands of headstones in German cemeteries, bears mute witness to the carnage in the East, where the will and strength of the Wehrmacht perished." Glantz, When Titan's Clashed, P357
If you consider that the Soviet military deaths were 14,534,600, that's comparable. Obviously, you have to take into account civilian deaths too to get the true scale of the disaster wrought upon the Soviet Union, but at least it gives us an idea.
In addition, the Chinese did a lot of damage to the Japanese, and the Soviets only got involved in the closing weeks of the war in the Far East, but still achieved a stunning success in Manchuria - arguably one of the main reasons the Japanese surrendered.
Sources:
Glantz, D. "When Titan's Clashed: How the Red Army Stopped Hitler." University Press of Kansas, 2015.
Kavalerchik, B. "The Price of Victory: The Red Army’s Casualties in the Great Patriotic War." Pen & Sword Military, 2017.
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Sorry, but you're wrong. Day 1 of the war the Red Army had 2,743,000 on the Axis-Soviet Front, and the Germans alone had 3,118,910. Combined Axis numbers on the Axis-Soviet Front on the first day of the war was 3,957,910. This remained like this until December 1941.
In 1942, Germany occupied a great portion of the Soviet Union. This portion was also the most dense in terms of population (62,400,000). This meant that Germany (75,400,000) and Italy (43,400,000) alone had a larger population (total of 118,800,000) than the unoccupied Soviet population (104,600,000). Total Axis population including Finland was 147,800,000.
The Soviets had more tanks and planes, but they also got wiped out early. Why was that? That's because the Germans were fully mobilised and prepared, and struck an enemy that was completely taken by surprise and unprepared for war. Many Soviet tanks didn't have any ammunition, and a good portion broke down before they even reached the battlefield. Their motorized infantry didn't have any trucks. So it's not hard to see why the Soviets lost as much as they did in the 1941-2 period.
Sources -
Glantz, D. “When Titan’s Clashed.” University Press of Kansas, 2015. (Table N Comparative Strengths of Combat Forces, Soviet German Front 1941-1945)
Harrison, M. "The Economics of World War II: Six Great Powers in International Comparison." Cambridge University Press, 2000. (Table 1.2. National and colonial boundaries of 1942, showing populations and GDPs of 1938.)
Isaev, A. "Dubno 1941: The Greatest Tank Battle of the Second World War." Helion & Company, 2017.
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As I said in the video, the Soviets had a smaller population compared to Italy and Germany combined in 1942. That means they don't have "millions of theese guys" to spare. So implementing an order that kills millions of his own men would be stupid, wouldn't it. And this is supported by the statistics, which clearly show only 158,000 Red Army men were executed by the Soviets throughout the whole war. Do the math, and 158,000 divided by 1419 (the number of days in the entire war) and that equates to 111.3 men per day on average. While that is a lot of men and is obviously a terrible waste of lives, it is not on the scale shown in Enemy at the Gates. It's also nothing compared to the 6098 men the Red Army lost per day on average throughout the whole war (from 8,653,800 KIA or MIA source: Kavalerchik, B. "The Price of Victory: The Red Army’s Casualties in the Great Patriotic War." Pen & Sword Military, 2017.).
And that was the point of the video, to show that the effects of Order No. 227 have been exaggerated, leading to a false perception of the Axis-Soviet Front.
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The reason you couldn't find where I got my information from is because I didn't get my facts from Reddit or Yahoo or anywhere online. I used the history books listed in the pinned comment, as I said in the video. Your accusations make no sense, either because they're wrong, or because I did actually mention those things. It wasn't 800,000 executions, it was 158,000. Again, see the sources listed in the pinned comment.
What people need to realise is that opinions on forums or Yahoo or Wikipedia are unreliable and should not be trusted. Equally you shouldn't necessarily trust me either, however I've stated where I got my information from, so if you do not believe what I said, you have the ability to fact check them from the sources I used. And, just so we're clear, this is a history channel run by someone with a degree in history who is trying to create content above and beyond what you'd get on the vast majority of the internet. Therefore, I'm approaching this as I would an academic essay, and thus am not one to just make stuff up. Everything I said in the video (except the fact I misspoke at the beginning and said 1942) came from history books and sources. Please consider this factor before you accuse me of lying.
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If that is the case, then since you're also preaching history on YouTube, we can also safely dismiss your comment as an equally opinionated piece.
"Read books with actual footnotes" - sources are listed in the pinned comment, which I shall assume you didn't bother checking otherwise you wouldn't have accused me of using books that didn't have actual footnotes.
"a very large numbers of Russian soldiers were executed or sent to camps" - source please.
"Stalin was happy to throw as many Russians as it took" - source please. I'd love to know what source you have where Stalin says 'I'm happy to throw as many Russians-only (not any other nationality) as it takes at the Germans'.
"You can't get history from Youtube." - why not? What's stopping you from learning history via video? If you watch my video, then get encouraged to read the sources (again, listed in the pinned comment, and throughout the video), what's the issue?
The problem with the internet is that you don't know the anonymous author and you don't know their motivations, meaning you could be reading or watching something by someone with an agenda. And that's a very valid point. However, the same applies with history books. You don't actually know the author and you don't know their motivations. And actually, the benefit of a video is that you can see and hear the author, and this author has also made it clear what his motivations are https://youtu.be/KnpCaLH9z7M
So, in actuality, if a video author does it well, video can actually be superior to books. In fact, as this video points out, several books got things wrong, and I used other books to show this. That makes this video a Tertiary source (similar to the value of a textbook). In other videos where I have used primary sources, my videos are actually secondary sources - and valid ones at that. Therefore, if done correctly, there is little to no difference between a book and a video. And I would argue video is much more entertaining, especially to younger generations.
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Point me to a person who isn't "biased"! Everybody is biased when you subscribe to the Subjectivist theory of history. And the reason for my burnout was because the current theory of history says that to overcome the biases inherent within the sources and the history books, we must debate it. The problem is that this debate is democratic in nature, and therefore doesn't work. If everyone discounts your "opinions" because they think you're "insane", then the consensus is that you're wrong. But a consensus is meaningless; if everyone thinks the moon is made of cheese, that doesn't make it so.
So this Subjectivist theory of history - that history lies in the heart of debate - results in the conclusion that history cannot be done at all. All history is arbitrary and pointless if there is no objective reality and everything is just an opinion or limited perspective. "Debate" cannot overcome this inherent flaw in the doctrine as every individual is seen as trying to push their own particular biased political or ideological agenda, hence the reason for my burnout.
There has to be an objective reality, and we must be able to grasp it. The Objectivist theory has shown me that reality can be grasped, and that history does not lie in the heart of the debate. Debate can be useful, but it's not the main element in history, neither is "interpretation". My old views (as presented in my videos on history theory) are now obsolete. Richard Evans was (once again) incorrect in his "In Defense of History", and I realise that I was completely misled by his dialectical teachings.
This realisation - that reality is graspable, that history can actually be done, and that my work isn't just my "subjective interpretation" - is what has brought me out of my burnout.
If objective reality exists, and if "subjective interpretation" (opinion) is replaced with logic and reason, then the mind can grasp reality. In such a case, I can now trust myself and my senses to detect the flaws in any given source of information (including Leonard Peikoff's bias). Once detected, I can overcome them through logic, reason, and the use of more sources of information. Thus, history isn't a Subjective postmodernist soup of biased opinions that can all be thrown out, but a real tangible thing.
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I've already done a video explaining this: https://youtu.be/rS_59PHhO4M
The death-rate percentage for non-Stalingrad German prisoners who were captured by the Soviets was about 11.5%. The Stalingrad death ratio was 95.37%. Why?
Well, the Germans who surrendered at Stalingrad were the exception, not the rule. Most of the lower ranks at Stalingrad didn't survive captivity, while the majority of their officers did, because their officers received better rations (and fought less) during the siege, preserving their strength for what came next. Most of the Stalingrad prisoners died of typhus or because of they were on the brink of starvation when they surrendered.
Of the 107,800 who were taken prisoner at Stalingrad, only 15,000 had survived by the May of 1943. Obviously, if only 13% had survived in the first two months, then the question becomes: how come 33% of that 15,000 survived the next decade or so? Why wouldn't the death-rate or survival rate stay consistent? Obviously, it's because something killed the prisoners in the first few months after surrender, and then whatever that was disappeared after that. This suggests that typhus and/or starvation was the cause.
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YouTube went public in 2005. It's not a private entity.
And yes, r/SadHistory is no different than those others you listed. Denying the causes of the Holocaust is Holocaust denial, and they are denying that Hitler's regime was totalitarian or collectivist (the Aryans are the collective). You can't have private property or a free market in a totalitarian regime, otherwise it wouldn't be totalitarian. And then you find that Hitler didn't just abolish private property in the Reichstag Fire Decree, but he also stole property off the Communists, the Socialists, the Conservatives, the Churches, the businessmen, the Jews, and other people too. Somehow, r/Bad history is denying these unfortunate events.
They're just ignoring all the evidence that doesn't support their beliefs - all in the name of their antisemitic ideology. And they'll even deny it's antisemitic because how can a "workers' democracy" be antisemitic!? It can be antisemitic when you actually read the literature and see the antisemitism inherent within the religion. But these ignorant Marxist-fanatics haven't even read their own literature, because they're too bone-idle and lazy to do any actual work.
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The USSR's blockade was self-imposed, as that's what socialism is - economic blockade. Trade ground to a halt within the Soviet Union, let alone outside of it, due to socialism, which self-imposes autarky.
Also, you're forgetting all the aid that was sent to the USSR, from the United States (future president Hoover was in charge of the aid). You're also forgetting that, during the middle of a famine, Lenin was still trying to export his Revolution abroad, spending money he didn't have to finance wars and foreign agents across Europe. The Communists in Germany, for example, were funded by Lenin and the USSR. Lenin invaded Poland as millions were starving under his regime.
Why don't you consider these facts? Oh, that's right, because you're ignorant of what actually happened. Again, go read a history book.
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"If you have 300 000 commiting violence in a protest movement and only 5 march in peace"
There was no violence from the London protestors, it was the police who were cracking their skulls, as shown by the video evidence. The government's response to the peaceful protestors was to call them all "far right" (which is an absolute travesty) and escalate the violence. The people who had watched their daughters get R'd for decades then rose up violently, and so Starmer is at fault here.
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"So only one person was arrested among the left wing last night, does it make the marchers/the left wing/pro-migrants thugs or anarchists? no."
A Labour Party politician, Richy Jones, has called for the throats of right-wingers to be cut. Video included in the Tweet https://x.com/MahyarTousi/status/1821492715244179623
There's plenty of evidence of the Left rioting in the past, and yesterday too, but it's not shown on the lamestream media, and it's also not condemned. There are mobs with swords roaming Bolton and Manchester, and the police are letting them attack people. It's two-tier policing at its finest.
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Short answer: when I say "battalion", I do mean battalion. And the British unit names are confusing, so I actually changed the unit names (at least, the way you say them) in order for you (the viewer) to make more sense out of them.
Long answer - So when the British Army says "1st Battalion of the Buffs Regiment", it means 1st Battalion, but this is from a regiment called The Buffs. To me, this is long-winded as confusing. So I changed it to "1st the Buffs Battalion". Notice though that this battalion is in a brigade that isn't the Buffs regiment. Why is this? Well, I'm not 100% sure on this, but I'm going to give a "this is roughly right" explanation -
You have units I will call "mother regiments" - e.g. the Buffs. These will be raised at home and can have several battalions (if not more). But imagine that a mother regiment was wiped out - an entire community would be devastated. So what the British did was take battalions from different regiments, cobbled them under a "field" regiment or brigade, and send them off into battle. So you might have 1st Battalion of the Buffs Regiment fighting with 1st Battalion of the King's Own Rifles [Regiment], under such-a-such brigade.
Again, not 100% certain on this, but either way, the battalions in the video are battalions, and have been renamed accordingly.
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"I don't trust anyone as everyone lies, is biased or censored"
Everyone is biased. That's just part of human nature. You can't get away from bias because everyone has a limited perspective on the world. I've explained this here in my history theory video https://youtu.be/PvpJEc-NxVc
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"What we do know for a fact is that we live in a propaganda state where the authorities lie to us, especially when it comes to things like war"
Correct. I absolutely agree. However, when people lie they create contradictions or have to excuse evidence. When you see them doing that, you know that they're lying, or have got something wrong. It's easy to spot.
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"Irving is no doubt flawed, but I'd far rather read his books than some official propaganda piece"
If you're concerned by someone lying, being biased, or censored, then Irving fits the bill. He's manipulated, made up and straight up ignored tons of evidence to push his biases. He is a living propaganda piece.
That doesn't mean that the academic historians aren't propaganda pieces either, or that they're alway right. But if we're choosing between the two, I'd rather take the lesser of two evils, and that's the academic historians. Yet, you're choosing Irving because he fits with your biases, even though his account is worse than the academic historians due to all the evidence manipulation and misinterpretations of that evidence.
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"People should be encouraged to read his books - which can be found for free - and make their own minds up"
I have some of his books, but I can't trust them. Because he has been caught out manipulating or straight up fabricating evidence, everything he's saying is questionable. He ruined his own reputation by deciding to go down the postmodernist route.
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"As for the total number of deaths - we have no idea, no one even knew how many people were in the city at that time"
No, we do know. The SS counted the number of deaths, and got to 22,000 bodies, and estimated a total of 25,000 in their Final Report. They were very meticulous with this report, even recording how much money someone had on their person. That is the evidence we have. It's roughly 25,000. It's not substantially higher. Why? Because we don't have ANY evidence that says its higher, that's why. We can only go off the evidence, not off people's feelings or beliefs.
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"What we do know is that it was one of the biggest war crimes in all of recorded history, and it wasn't a one off"
As opposed to the 3+ million Soviet prisoners of war starved by the Germans? https://youtu.be/OeRR100incE
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"If you are going to criticize Irving, then why not also criticize all the other historians who literally lie for a living"
I can tell you're new here. I've criticized numerous historians, which is why I'm in the bad books. Most recently, I criticized the likes of Ian Kershaw and Richard Evans (again) in this video https://youtu.be/UpuGRO72GbA
(Richard Evans being the one who was at the Irving vs Lipstadt trail, by the way)
I criticize them when they make mistakes or dismiss evidence, and I'll criticize Irving when he does the same (or when he just straight up manipulates the evidence). I'm not on one side or another - I go where the evidence takes me, which is why (again) I'm in the bad books.
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"I again point to the Kattyn Forest massacre as just one example where 'professional' historians lied to the public for decades"
The same guy who proved that that incident was caused by the Soviets also tried to uncover the secrets behind Operation Keelhaul (an Allied and Soviet war crime). And guess what? I've covered Operation Keelhaul in three videos right here https://youtu.be/z6ak1OtC_gM
So yes, "professional" historians do lie. But that doesn't mean that Irving is right. He is also wrong.
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TLDR: it's probably not true, but it may have been a factor.
So, for time purposes I cut out this discussion because it's somewhat complicated and I'm not convinced it was one of the main reasons for the attack on Dresden, if it was a reason at all. I would say that the politicians and Bomber Harris didn't discuss this reason, but some of the veterans did say that they went to Dresden to show the Soviets how powerful the west was. The problem is that these accounts were all written well after the war was over, during the Cold War, which may have influenced their opinions. And the only contemporary evidence we have for this view is this:
“The intentions of the attack are to hit the enemy where he will feel it most, behind an already partially collapsed front, to prevent the use of the city in the way of further advance, and incidentally to show the Russians when they arrive what Bomber Command can do.” - Part of the briefing to the squadrons prior to the Dresden raid, quoted from Taylor, “Dresden,” p464.
However, this statement is problematic because it actually contradicts other evidence we have, and also doesn't make logical sense. If they were going to show the Soviets how powerful they were, why didn't they keep bombing German cities in the East right up until the last day of the war? It just seems a little strange. So, it's more likely that the crews got told this because the Soviets had asked them to bomb Dresden and this might have been a way for the junior officers to flex. But I don't think it really played into the reason why Dresden was targeted specifically.
For a full discussion on this, read Frederick Taylor's book on Dresden, pages 463-466.
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@KuroiReaper "what are you quoting makes no sense"
It's called cognitive dissonance. I'm telling you something that goes against your previous beliefs, and so you're concluding that what I'm telling you must be false, rather than accepting the facts. And I'll show you why what you've just said makes no sense, and actually undermines your argument.
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"If what author which is quoted saying is true then why would they allow UK and not US?"
They didn't allow UK or US, except in certain situations, like Operation Benedict (as you pointed out), or American bombers in the Ukraine (as I pointed out in the previous reply to you).
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"UK RAF and soldiers fought together on soviet soil during ww2 near Muramansk. look at operation Benedict and such."
Then why wasn't this allowed again? Think about it. Operation Benedict was in 1941. Yet, from then onwards, Stalin forbade Allied troops on Soviet soil, except in the odd circumstance. Why? If it was allowed in 1941, clearly Stalin trusted the British enough then, so why didn't he trust them in 1942, or 1943, or 1944, or 1945? And yes, the British did have troops spare. There was an entire Army in the Middle East that jointly conquered Iran with the Soviets. The British could have sent troops to Russia, and the US certainly could have done. And yet, they weren't allowed.
Clearly, it has nothing to do with Stalin asking the West to come to the Soviet Union and the West not wanting them to. It is an internal reason. The West asked and offered to send troops several times, but Stalin declined. And if the west didn't like Stalin or the Soviet Union, why did they send them supplies of Lend Lease? That makes no sense. So you've undermined your own argument, and the internal inconsistencies with it suggest that it's not true.
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Yes, those South American. Spanish and Greek dictators were all businessmen where they? No, they were the government. This is why, in your own words they "put strong censorship to anything was not ideological correct or good for the country" because they thought their centrally planned economies would be better than a free market economy. That's socialism.
I'm not religious, so I wouldn't use terms like "satan's work" anyway. But you do realise that sticking exclusively to an ideology is itself a form of belief? Socialism is a new religion. It is based on belief, not facts. I prefer evidence and the scientific method.
"You sound like that or even more as far-right."
I'm not a socialist, so I cannot be on the "far-right", assuming that you're now trying to paint me as a Nazi. National-Socialists are Far Left. Therefore, if I was on the right, it would only be because my political compass places freedom of the individual on the right.
"You don''t actually know their political beliefs, you assume that based on something and you express it publicly."
Their actions state their political beliefs, on top of the fact that they have expressed that "hate speech" will not be tolerated. "Hate speech" is just another Marxist-Postmodernist word for "censorship". Freedom of speach is therefore something they wish to attack.
"Telling simple that "Patreon are retards because they are closing accounts for no reason and I don't like it," for me will be the best opinion."
I never called them "retards". But luckily, this being a (mostly) free country and I can express my opinion. You don't have to agree, but my opinion is backed by the evidence I have seen, not by making stuff up, which is what you're accusing me of doing despite having no evidence for that.
"Not as political correct (which I hate as current trend) but as an unbiased/unpolitical approach of a revisionist historian towards all of your viewers and supporters."
Yes, telling the truth and calling out distortions and problems when I see it, which is what I've always done. I owe this to my viewers and supporters since that is the basis of my entire philosophy on history.
"I would glad read your response but this will be my last comment on this."
Ok, was nice chatting to you.
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Vern Etzel "@TIK lol "the evidence", you mean by reading Mein Kampf?"
No, by reading these sources -
Bel, G. "Against the mainstream: Nazi privatization in 1930s Germany." Universitat de Barcelona, PDF.
Brown, A. "How 'socialist' was National Socialism?" Kindle, 2015.
Evans, R. “The Coming of the Third Reich.” Penguin Books, Kindle 2004.
Dilorenzo, T. “The Problem with Socialism.” Regnery Publishing, Kindle 2016.
Feder, G. "The Programme of the NSDAP: The National Socialist German Worker's Party and its General Conceptions." RJG Enterprises Inc, 2003.
Friedman, M. “Capitalism and Freedom: Fortieth Anniversary Edition.” university of Chicago, Kindle 2002. (originally published in 1962)
Geyer, M. & Fitzpatrick, S. "Beyond Totalitarianism: Stalinism and Nazism Compared." Cambridge University Press, Kindle 2009.
Hazlitt, H. “Economics in One Lesson: The Shortest & Surest Way to Understand Basic Economics.” Three Rivers Press, 1979. (originally published 1946)
Joseph Goebbels and Mjölnir, Die verfluchten Hakenkreuzler. Etwas zum Nachdenken (Munich: Verlag Frz. Eher, 1932). (English translation)
Hoppe, H. “A Theory of Socialism and Capitalism.” Kindle.
Hitler. A. “Mein Kampf.” Jaico Books, 2017.
Kershaw, I. “Hitler: 1936-1945 Nemesis.” Penguin Books, 2001.
Kershaw, I. “Stalinism and Nazism: Dictatorships in Comparison.” Cambridge University Press, Kindle 2003.
Marx, K. “Capital: A Critique of Political Economy: Volume I Book One: The Process of Production of Capital.” PDF of 1887 English edition, 2015.
Moorhouse, R. "The Devil's Alliance: Hitler's Pact with Stalin, 1939-1941." Random House Group, Ebook (Google Play) 2014.
Mosley, O. "Fascism: 100 Questions Asked and Answered." Black House Publishing, Kindle 2019.
Muravchik, J. “Heaven on Earth: The Rise and Fall of Socialism.” Encounter Books, Kindle.
Mussolini, B. “The Doctrine of Fascism.” Kindle, Originally published in 1932.
Newman, M. “Socialism: A Very Short Introduction.” Kindle.
Reimann, G. “The Vampire Economy: Doing Business under Fascism.” Kindle, Mises Institute, 2007. Originally written in 1939.
Smith, A. “An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations.” Kindle.
Sowell, T. “Economic Facts and Fallacies: Second Edition.” Kindle.
Sowell, T. “The Housing Boom and Bust.” Kindle.
Temin, P. “Soviet and Nazi Economic Planning in the 1930s.” From The Economic History Review, New Series, Vol. 44, No. 4 (Nov., 1991), pp. 573-593 (21 pages). Jstor.
Tooze, A. “Wages of Destruction: The Making & Breaking of The Nazi Economy.” Penguin Books, 2007.
Zitelmann, R. “Hitler: The Politics of Seduction.” London House, 1999.
There may be more, these are just the ones I've listed specifically for this topic, since I've been building up to making a much bigger video on it. I've also been reading the primary sources - such as the Reichstag Fire Decree of 1933, which banned private property.
"You had it backwards. I used to think like you for decades. 33 years as a libertarian activist and candidate. let's hope its not that, right?"
Exactly, this is where the problem lies. You're heavily invested in your perspective. Anything that goes against it is instantly dismissed. The problem is that if you listen, I promise you your entire world-view will be rocked (just like mine was when I grasped it) and you'll see the distortion for what it is. While I don't agree with the National Socialist ideology at all (or Fascist, or Marxist ideologies), I do think they have a point when they say that the "academic historians" are biased. They actually are biased, because most don't grasp the fact that there's a difference between "socialism" and "Marxist Socialism". When you see National Socialism for what it really is, you'll see Marxist Socialism for what it really is.
But again, I was more-socialist-leaning in my youth. Realising the true nature of National Socialism made me wake-up to the reality of what socialism actually is.
And if you really want to help the "workers", you should read "Economics in One Lesson" by Henry Hazlitt. If nothing else, pick up that book and give it an honest go. It doesn't mention National-Socialism etc at all, it's purely a book that explains economics.
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Keynesian economics is Marxist economics, and led to 2008. We've been Keynesian since WW2. That's why we had the baby boom, but future generations are now paying for the previous generations' prosperity, because in order to make their economics work, Keynesians have to steal wealth from the future. It has stifled the economy since 2008, which is why living standards haven't recovered from that recession.
I agree that the 1% benefit from socialist governments by implementing laws, taxes and regulations that stifle competition, leading to a vast wealth transfer to those that came first. Corporations and central banks are evil, and can only be brought down through a free market, not through a protectionist one which bails them out by printing currency into existence, thus stealing the wealth off everyone else in the economy. A 2% inflation steals £200 of wealth off you per year if you earn £10,000 and gives that directly to the government or the central banks without you even knowing about it (inflation is an invisible tax).
Under a free market, the law wouldn't favour any corporation or bank. Regulations preventing each individual from starting their own businesses or building their own houses wouldn't exist. We would use money (gold and silver) not currency, thus preventing the invisible theft that's going on right now. Competition would prevent companies from getting too big. The harder you worked, the more you would get paid - thus reducing the inequality that we currently have where certain groups get paid more for doing less (minimum wage, long-term unemployed, inefficient governments and bureaucracies).
To say we're in a free market capitalist economy today is simply ridiculous. If you truly believe that your eyes are closed. You would do well to listen to Hazlitt. And if Marxist economics is so superior, you have nothing to fear by giving it a shot.
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Except, currency always ends up being hyperfinflated, since it's not money (physical gold or silver). That's what's going to happen with the current system, as every fiat currently has in history - hyperinflation. Keynesians and socialists think that won't happen, even as Venezuela is crashing right now. As history shows us, socialism and printing currency into existence only creates starving millionaires. The Nazis knew this because they'd lived through the hyperinflation of 1923. So while they did secretly inflate their currency quite significantly, as Courland video 9 (coming Monday) will explain, they knew it would lead to economic ruin if they kept it up. War was the only solution to the problem. Like all socialists, they had to rob wealth from others to keep their utopia going.
Socialism always leads to theft and murder - either domestically or through foreign conquest - and printing money (like the central government and central banks are doing right now) robs the poor to feed the socialists in power. It then has the nerve to blame it on the "free market". Considering that the people don't have gold and silver money, that we're relying on fiat currency which the central-state "private" banks are devaluing daily, we're not in a free market. If this was a true free market we wouldn't have black markets, since black markets are free markets. They can only exist in a state-run socialist economy.
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"This is actually the best explanation I've seen/heard for WW2"
:) if you're really interested in this particular subject, Zitelmann's book is definitely worth picking up.
"So this is the same argument for colonialism, even if they didn't know it."
I'm not so sure. In the case of the British (going off memory when I studied it in university), the British wanted open markets for free trade. This free trade would disrupt the local economy of, say, the Burmese, who would suffer a recession. The local leaders would complain to the government, who would be forced to act. Now, if you understand basic economics, you know that once the recession was over, free trade would massively benefit the Burmese population. But governments always overreact. So the Burmese government would close their borders.
The British would then ask for open borders again in the name of free trade. The Burmese would say no. So the British sent in the gun boats to force the borders to open.
Free trade is good once it's in operation. But governments (and a lot of people) don't understand why. So colonialism only happened because of the misunderstanding of how economics works, not because of the shrinking markets idea.
If anyone has read this and doesn't understand, again - Henry Hazlitt's Economics in One Lesson is the book for you.
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@day2148 "The black market is hardly an example because the black market is not in charge of maintaining social stability and tackle problems like crime, whereas real governments are."
It doesn't matter what governments do or don't do, all that matters is that a Black Market is a free market, and that one can only exist if you have a non-free market. And that's just the start. There are plenty of indicators that show that we don't have a free market - central planning, regulations, artificial wage hikes (e.g. minimum wage laws), debasement of the currency (we're no longer on the Gold Standard), interest rates and other steal taxations, price controls... all of this stuff is artificial public state-control of the market. It's also similar or the same as how the Nazi economy operated. It's non-free.
"There is no direct democracy in a realistic capitalist society, because your bosses will tell you who to vote or you'll be out of a job."
That's such rubbish. No boss I've ever had has told me which way to vote, and even if he had, it's a secret ballot anyway so he wouldn't have known which way I voted. Plus, of course your boss will tell you what to do - you work for him! If you don't like your boss, there's a door you can walk out of and you can get a different job. It's a free market. Once the state takes over, the state becomes your boss. If you don't like your boss, you can't walk out because there's no other job out there other than those controlled by your old boss - the state.
"Frankly, it amazes me to see how someone who understand that military science is tied to many, many factors, could be so single-minded and flat in their view of economics."
Frankly, it amazes me to see someone accuse me of not understanding Marxist economics, even though I do fully understand it. I can fully explain why Marxist economics hurts the workers. I can explain why it causes more unemployment. I can explain why it causes bubbles in the economy (like the big one we're in right now). I can explain why it causes the economy not to grow (like the economy that hasn't grown at all since 2008). And I can explain why it's absolutely immoral to its core.
In fact, it is you who doesn't understand how the economy works. If you did, you wouldn't be a socialist. I know, because I didn't understand how economics works, and I also used to be a socialist. But I've learnt how an economy works, and I cannot go back to an inferior and immoral way of looking at the world.
What's also interesting is that I actually studied non-military history (e.g. economics of Britain, Russia and Germany) during my college and university education, and have accreditation in that. I have no accreditation in military history, just a keen interest in it. And yet you 'respect' my military history, but chastize my non-military history. The only reason you do so is because I'm providing evidence - like in this very video - of a truth running counter to your own dogma, and it's a painful pill for you to swallow.
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Anarcho-socialism doesn't exist. Go and watch videos by anarcho-syndicalists etc and see exactly what they say. They talk about the revolution, then forming a society based on the unions and federalism and whatnot... which isn't anarchism. You can't have a trade union under anarchy because if you have a central organisation, you no longer have anarchy.
They think a state is the central government. No. The state is whoever's in charge. A state can be as small as one factory, or as large as the universe. A union is a politically organized community. If they are the highest authority, they become the state.
Anarchy is not the lack of a central government, it is the lack of all organisation within society. Every man for himself. Chaos. A union is an organisation, it is not every man for himself, and it is not chaos. It is there not anarchy. You cannot have anarcho-syndicalism, anarcho-communism, nor anarcho-socialism. They are oxymorons.
And the feudal kings didn't nor couldn't have total control over every market/person. For that you need a giant bureaucracy. Kings didn't have that. Slavery is more akin to socialism (a 100% tax is a fair wage after all), but again the state didn't have total control.
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"because in that sense also stock companies and companies owned by many people (shareholders, partnerships etc.) would be socialist states,"
Not true, because they're not the central political power. A "politically organized community" is a state. Being organized and a community doesn't make a state unless it's political.
And also, I'm using the Oxford Dictionary definition - "A nation or territory considered as an organized political community under one government." The size of a territory could be as small as a house. The head of a household would be the (private) government of that house. But a collection of private interests would be "public" - state. Please see the formation of society as discussed in "Inventing the Individual" by Siedentop which explains this in a lot more detail.
"you are not the person entitled to decide ultimately what capitalism and socialism actually is."
The many sources I used give the multiple definitions of socialism and capitalism. The confusion lies in the fact that the Marxists are deliberately trying to rewrite the definition of socialism to hide its true meaning. Sadly, history doesn't lie, and their attempts at changing the language will not wash. I have explained the etymology of the words in the video, based on the colossal amount of research I have done on the subject. I have nailed down the definitions, which is why Marxists are crying in the comments because a solid definition is the last thing they want. Why? Because if people realise that socialism is the totalitarian state-control of the economy, and that it's ideology is based on the immoral ideas of murdering and stealing from others of different classes, sexes and classes to themselves (the "Revolution"), and it is the rejection of individuality in favour of group authority, then socialists won't be gathering much support for their campaigns.
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@DZ-yk2ew "it is simply ridiculous to even call taxation of private enterprise Socialism."
If you tax an industry so that it is discouraged from producing their products (e.g. tobacco and alcohol here in the UK) then that is state control. State control is socialism.
In addition, taxation is not a trade. Nobody wants to pay taxes. They are forced to pay taxes. Tax is theft. It is anti-cooperation. It is also a reduction of the reinvestment of wealth back into the economy, thus shrinking the economy. It is anti-capitalist. It is anti-individual. It is pro-collective, pro-state, and thus pro-socialism.
"One can only do this if they believe the ahistorical and utopian notion of an utterly free market, and a return to a State so irrelevant and underfunded that what you really would get is Anarcho-Capitalism."
Incorrect. It's simply knowing what the terms mean, instead of pretending they are something that they're not (which is what Marxists do). I don't want no state. I believe a state is necessary. I am not an anarcho-capitalist like Marx, who wanted a state-less (non-group, therefore private) society.
"I engage with Neo-Nazis and Fascists all the time, my own brother converted to the movement."
It's not hard to move from Marxism to Fascism because all it is is a rejection of the internationalism of Marxism and the trading of class for nationality. This is why Mussolini, Mosley and the Christchurch shooter all went from Marxism to Fascism.
"For you to call them Left Wing Socialists does them LOADS of favors as they are presently trying to infiltrate the Andrew Yang movement in the United States, because they think UBI will be good for white people and also will trigger strict immigration control."
Because UBI is state control of the economy, and thus socialism, that's why they're in favour of it. Marxists and Fascists have the same goal - socialism. They're on the Left, which is why the Right (at least, those who understand what capitalism is and are in favour of it) oppose UBI.
Me explaining the nature of Fascism and Nazism as socialism is explaining that Marxism, Fascism and Nazism are all evil, and why they're evil. Stealing from others is wrong. Murdering others is wrong. Destroying economies is wrong. It's immoral, it's horrible, and nobody who is conscious should support any of these evil ideologies.
"This is ideological reconstruction of history based on your interpretation of that ideology, Anglo-American Liberal Conservatism which is oriented chiefly on the size of the government."
It's based on knowing what the historical definitions are. That's not reconstruction, except I've explained what the actual definitions are and why they are what they are. If anything, this has corrected the distortions of history created by the Marxists, who said capitalism is not what it is and claim that nothing is REAL socialism.
And I'm not a conservative. I'm a progressive, which is why I'm a classical-liberal.
"Capitalism has needed a lot of government intervention over its history,"
No, it's HAD a lot of government intervention (socialism) in its history. This has destroyed it's potential. Worse, every government failure in history has been blamed on the free market. When the Soviet economy collapsed, Marxists claimed that it wasn't REAL socialism and was actually capitalism ("state capitalism"). The closest we came to actual capitalism was Britain in the 1880s, and this was why the economy BOOMED during that time.
"Government does not equal Socialism"
An organized political community does not equal an organized political community... ok, sure, whatever you say.
"It is merely looking at it through the modern "Classical liberal" goggles and declaring what you see to be so."
Yes, I'm an individual who's done his research. Thank you for the compliment.
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@stefanb6539 "You are the one, who claims, that all socialists are one group. That is YOUR claim, not a socialist claim."
So socialists don't believe in the working class now? Jeeze. Make up your collective minds.
"You point with one finger, 3 fingers point back at you."
I don't believe in classes, races or sexes. I believe that everyone is an individual and should be judged by their individuality, not by some pre-determined racist, classist or sexist artificial social group.
"What makes a socialist an evil group clone, while an upperclass Victorian Londoner, who is worried about degrading his familiy name by marrying into a lower class is still an individual?"
This hyperthetical Victorian Londoner would be wrong because we are all individuals and so class doesn't exist. People should be judged by their individuality, not by some social group.
"The guy you call "socialist" may not even think of himself as member of a group, while the upperclass snob surely does!"
Exactly. Group think is wrong.
"So the one thing that derives the socialist of his individualism is solely YOUR arbitrary judgement."
No... Socialists believe that they are part of classes - bourgeoisie or proletariats. They believe that these groups should have all the political and economic power. They therefore give up their individuality and submit to the power of the group. They are thus no longer individuals. This ridiculous mindset is built straight into the immoral ideology of Marx, Hitler and Mussolini.
"You may not be especially racist, but you surely balance your fragile ego on extremely hatefilled stereotypes against people who disagree with you."
Socialism is an ideology - a belief. There is no stereotype. I fully understand the ideolgy, so I'm judging people based on their own beliefs and actions - which, because individuality is made up of actions and belief, this therefore is a judge on their individuality - their personality - not on some 'stereotype'.
Individuals who believe in this immoral religion that promotes murder and theft need to understand that their world view is immoral precisely because of that religion. That said, any individual who's willing to open their eyes, learn from their mistakes, and convert back into a normal moral human being is very willing to do so and can fully redeem their sins. Unlike 'race' or 'sex' or 'class' where you are born into it and cannot change that (except artificially), you have a choice to change your beliefs. Therefore, I am judging people on their beliefs and actions - their personality - rather than their cosmetics.
And also, no I'm not "especially" racist - I'm not racist at all. As far as I'm concerned, 'race' doesn't exist on the social level. I won't judge and will refuse to judge people by their skin colour, regardless on how much you are begging me to do that.
"How would capitalism have saved this people?"
Hitler went to war to implement his socialism. If he had been a capitalist, he would have had no reason to go to war in the first place. Thus, capitalism would have saved millions of lives.
"You decided to make it a joke about socialism, you spit on the innocent's grave by attacking their political views instead of looking at the situation they found themselves in."
I made the video to show the horrors inflicted on the innocent people in Leningrad who were caught in the middle of a socialist war. Is it "spitting on the graves" of victims to point out that those who caused their deaths?
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@stefanb6539 "You are NOT curious about their individual motifs or aspirations,"
Socialists are not individuals. They don't believe in individuality. They believe in the collective. They cannot have individual mofits or aspirations. All that matters is what the group demands.
"Oh, someone is wary about the extremes of capitalism?"
You don't know what capitalism is. And I am wary about the extremes of capitalism. But the solution is not totalitarianism, which is collectivism and group murder.
"Oh, someone wonders how gender roles influence the behavior between people? HITLER; HITLER; HITLER!!!!"
So sexism is good is it? Is that what you're saying? And racism is good is it? I think not.
Again, I think we should judge people not by cosmetics, but by how they act, how they think and how they behave. In other words, I think we should judge people by their individuality, not by their skin colour. And that's because I'm not an immoral racist or sexist or classist.
"Socialism has a damned long history, from Robert Owen, Saint-Simon, Charles Fourier until today. How much of that have you actually shown curiosity for and researched?"
So far I have researched Babeuf, Owen, Marx, Bukunin, Lenin, Stalin, Mussolini, Hitler, Pol Pot and many others in between. And I'm continuing to research and study. Interestingly, the more I study them the less I find their immoral ideology appealing.
"YOU found the simple explanation, the shoe, that fits them all."
As opposed to "everything that isn't Marxism is Fascism" lol.
"All one group, all socialists, murderers, thiefs, HITLER!!!!"
All socialists are murders and thieves. That's what the REVOLUTION is all about.
"Meanwhile you smirk at people starving in Leningrad"
No I didn't. I made that video with the purpose of showing how innocent people who are caught between two socialist regimes were treated. A rock and a hard place. I laughed at the fact that the Marxist Socialist government was so corrupt it kept itself fed, refused to allow the civilians to evacuate the city, and then let the workers starve, whilst claiming to be for the workers.
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"There are racist stereotypes, but not all stereotypes are racist."
Yes they are. You're judging individuals by the colour of their skin rather than by their individual personalities.
I don't judge people positively or negatively due to the colour of their skin - because I'm not a racist. Apparently you do, and that's because you believe in groups. This is why Mosley, Mussolini and many other Marxists ended up later becoming Fascists or racists and Nazis, because when you see people as groups (e.g. stereotypes) rather than as individuals, it starts you moving down a very dangerous path.
"George Best was both an individual and a member of Manchester United, which is definitely an organized group."
Yes, but he is an individual, not Manchester United. If another memeber of the Manchester United team commits a crime, George Best doesn't go to prison for it. The group is made up of individuals, rather than the group giving the individuals their traits. Individuals associate in groups, but they are not the group. The 'group' is not a being in itself.
"No, they aren't all the same and evil"
Oh? So you're saying it's ok to steal from and murder the bourgeoisie, or men, but it's not ok to murder and steal from the Jews? Do you not see the contradiction there? The latter is bad because that would be racism, but sexism and classism is perfectly fine is it?
Murder and theft is wrong and immoral. Socialism advocates murder and theft as the basis for its ideology. It is therefore wrong and immoral.
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I also saw that video. However, while they may or may not have called it that at the time, they did adopt the name at some point. There's a quote I gave in the video from a Major Shan Hackett. Well, prior to the point I quote in the video, he says this:
"I was then commanding 'C' Squadron of the 8th Hussars, in Honeys, working with the 11th Hussars, the KDGs and the South African Armoured Car boys - all very good regiments." - Major Shan Hackett, commanding ‘C’ Squadron, 8th Hussars, quoted from Neillands, “Desert Rats,” p108.
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"Britain today? NHS. The British Government currently tampers with the market by directly providing healthcare instead of relying on private corporations to do it. Britain is, therefore, a Socialist state. Does this not fit the working definition of socialism as you present it?"
Yeah, Britain in a socialist state. And I should know because I live here.
And yet, despite being a socialist state, it also has capitalist elements in here too. I know, it's unbelievable! A magical place where both the NHS (public ownership of the means of production) and businesses (private ownership of the means of production) can live side-by-side. Where social-welfare policies can co-exist with wage labour.
We have a capitalist Conservative Party which is all about dismantling the welfare state, and a socialist Labour Party which is about reinforcing the socialist state. To say that the Labour Party isn't socialist, is moronic. To say that the Conservative Party isn't capitalist, is moronic. To say that Britain doesn't have socialist policies within a capitalist system is equally moronic.
It's almost like there isn't a switch between socialism and capitalism - turn on the socialist-switch, turn off the socialist switch. No, it's a dial. Turn up the dial, and you get more socialism. So, if someone says Britain is capitalist - I'll agree with that. And if they say Britain is socialist - I'll agree with that as well (moreso if you're talking about Britain from the 40's to the 80's).
Now, returning to the National Socialists in Germany, you can have socialists and capitalists working together. Britain shows that is possible, and so does 1930's and 1940's Germany. But to deny that the National Socialists weren't socialists because there were businessmen in Germany is moronic, just like denying that the Labour Party is socialist because Britain has businessmen.
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"I think we already answered that. It wasnt any individual business, it was the nazi government that worked in the interest of several private businesses."
Really? So, it was in the interests of several private businesses to mass-exterminate a portion of the population during wartime when they're all suffering from a critical labour shortage?
"what is not related to any definitions is your absurd claim that Hitler took marxist concepts"
Hitler read Das Capital. He says so in Meim Kampf (page 198). From this, he becomes anti-capitalist and is against globalization - which is why he believed in Autarky and wanted to conquer the East (to get resources so that they don't need to trade any more).
"or that NS was a branch of marxism"
Branch of the same tree, but not are not branches from one another.
"that is based on a historical mistake that i pointed out many, many times, and you keep ignoring it on purpose."
I'm not ignoring it - I've just explained it to you again. You're ignoring me over and over, and then claiming that I am.
"if this was the case then we would have to say that we dont live in capitalism anymore for more than a century at this moment"
I can't speak for other countries, but Britain has recently fought back against socialism, and is currently trying to dismantle the NHS (which is a shame, because that was a good socialist policy). As I've said many times, the capitalist to socialist dial can be turned up or down. Some small amounts of socialism (socialist policies) are still socialism. To deny that the public has the shared means of production in certain areas is just not possible, and yet you do.
"But this is where we have ultimate disagreement on definitions, which unfortunately cannot be resolved."
My definition hasn't changed, and is the same as yours. The issue is, you're driven by ideology to deny certain forms of socialism as being 'not-real socialism'. This is the postmodernist-way of doing things. Why? Because in order to defend socialism, you cannot use evidence (since that will just prove that Marxist-socialism hasn't worked) and thus you then rely on ideology (belief) over fact. So you can change the goal-posts all you like, but the fact of the matter is, historically, National Socialism is a form of socialism as definied by (even by) wikipedia. As I said -
"There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them,[13] though social ownership is the common element shared by its various forms."
In National Socialist thinking, Aryans (the social-bit) seized the means of production from the Jews, and now owned the economy (social ownership), then self-managed the means of production. By doing so, they had to rid the Jews from society - so, their removal of the Jews from society is evidence of their socialism.
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"Have you still not studied the atrocities in Congo Free State?"
Oh, here we go again with the Congo atrocities. So, what you're saying is that the Belgians wanted to remove every single last Congoease (don't know the term people from the Congo, so I'm guessing at the name) from society in order to Aryanize the people? No. They did it for profit. Plus a large portion of them died from disease, rather than systematic killings, because systematic killings is not something that's profitable.
"The Holocaust made a profit for the perpetrators"
So that was the reason they did it then? Ok then, so why then hasn't the USA (the biggest capitalist country on the planet at the moment) not done the same? If it's so profitable to mass-murder people, why hasn't it been marketed elsewhere? And, fogive me, but which business owned the Holocaust again? If this was capitalism, surely a business would have run the thing - because private ownership is the definition of capitalism?
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Socialism is the social ownership of the means of production. If it is the social (worker) ownership of the means of production, then it's Marxism. If it is the social (German/Aryan) ownership of the means of production, then it is National Socialism.
If a businessman was German, then he is allowed to have property and businesses. If he was foreign, or Jewish, he wouldn't be allowed to have property or businesses. National Socialism is the social (German) ownership of the means of production. Germans can have businesses and private property. HOWEVER, the Race comes first. So, if the Race/state decides that you're not working for the race/state, you and your property and businesses can be seized, for the greater-German (socialist) race.
If you are non-German, your property and businesses are to be seized and you are to be 'removed' from society. The only issue is how the state will remove you. The Final Solution to that problem was execution.
For a Marxist, socialism is the social (worker) ownership of the means of production. This is different.
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"You completely ignored my point. May I interpret that as you agreeing to the fact that "since all apples are fruits, all fruits must be apples?" Thank for clarifying that up, you're logical thinking is completely screwed up." and "Just as my ideology and belief is preventing me from seeing a potato as an apple. My narrowminded fundamentalism prevents me from seeing the truth: that a potato is really just an apple. Hell, in Dutch a potato is called an "aardappel", which translated would deliver 'earth-apple'. Clearly, a potato is really just another sort of apple, just not a tree-apple."
They're both food though, aren't they? They're not the same, but they're similar in the fact that they're both edible - and that's what I'm saying. National Socialism and Marxist socialism are not the same, but they are both socialisms.
"I refuse to see NS as socialism, really because no one does. I refuse to see NS as leftwing, really because no one does."
So, you admit that you're refusing to even consider it. And this is the problem because you're not the only one. The Earth is flat and you're refusing to even consider the reality.
"It would topple al other political thinking. I would need to redefine myself calling leftwing. I would need to redefine myself calling a socialist, even though everyone else I meet in person gets the right understanding. I would need to explain to them all that everything they were thinking up till now was wrong. Their definitions would need to be redefined as well."
When I realised my mistake, I had to reevaluate everything too. But, I promise you, once you do it, you won't regret it.
"There is a reason why people try to use more or less the same definition. It is the prime advantage of using the DSM in psychology. Before the DSM, all therapists and psychiatrists were talking beside each other, using different definitions. "
Socialism is the social ownership of the means of production.
"Now you are equating state intervention with social ownership of the MOP." and "State ownership does not necessarily mean worker's control of the MOP."
Yes I am, because that is a by-product of it. That's why every single socialist state required heavy state intervention. In order to prevent people from owning private property (this is my pen and you can't have it) you need to have a state that goes in and prevents that from happening. Equally, this is why the state had to remove the Jews from German society because capitalism doesn't do that naturally.
This is actually opposite to what "Marx said". Marx was arguing that socialism would be a classless and stateless society. But in order to have an artificial classless society where nobody owns anything, you need to have a massive state bureaucracy to enforce it. This is the paradox of Marxist socialism. The irony being that National Socialism 'solved' this problem - although not entirely because they only did that by conquering other countries.
"Bureaucratic control of the MOP is not the same as collective control."
You have 5 farms with 5 families. How do you then turn that into 1 farm with 5 families? State intervention. Then how do you prevent those 5 families from deciding to split their 1 big farm into 5 separate farms? State intervention. Therefore you need a bureaucracy to administer this, which is why socialist states had large bureaucracies, secret police and armies, all to enforce collective ownership.
"Socialism in the marxist sense specifically calls for worker's control, bureaucracies do not provide that."
If one worker has a side racket, saves very hard, and buys the factory and then employs workers - who's going to step in to stop that?
"In history, a common mistake scientist warn about is transposing our own reality on historical frameworks."
History is not a science. It has scientific method in it, but it also has 'artistic' theory in there too. That's why I have a Bachelor of Arts Degree in History, not a Science Degree in History. As Evans points out in his book "In Defence of History", History is actually a 'craft'. Therefore, there is no law in preventing us seeing history from our point of view. In fact, we cannot help but do that, because we are not 100% objective.
For example, if I proposed that everybody in today's society should have free bread (subsidised by the state), that would be counter to the capitalist way of doing things. Therefore this is a socialist policy.
Interestingly, Ancient Rome gave free bread to the citizens of Rome (the city). This only stopped once North Africa was lost. Now, you tell me, would you class this policy as capitalist or socialist?
And the Roman Republic had private armies that fought for the state (private ownership - capitalist). Only later were armies owned by the state (public ownership - socialist). And if you go back even further, Marx said himself that tribes were naturally socialist. Whether you believe that or not is up to your interpretation, but clearly it was alright for Marx to go back and "transpose" his reality on history.
"You know what I just said about transposing our own reality onto the past? That is is a big major historical error?"
Shame on Marx then.
"All major WW1 belligerents curbed the free market and performed state intervention. Their war economies required this - the free market could not sufficiently provide. So according to you, WW1 was a war between socialist nations?"
I would say they have socialist policies, yes. I wouldn't class them as socialist nations though - that came later with heavier state intervention, such as Britain after WW2.
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"You are inverting everything. All socialist states use heavy state intervention in the economy, so all forms of state intervention in the economy must be socialism."
So, what you're saying is my definition of what socialism is fits perfectly. Thanks for validating that.
"That's were we disagree. I can agree to the fact that Hitler and the Nazi's might have believed themselves to be socialists. I disagree to the fact they actually were. They were mistaken."
So, what you're saying is, they were socialists because the facts say they were, but you don't want to believe that they were socialists, and that's because your ideology and belief is preventing you from seeing them as socialist.
"They aren't to most current-day fascists and national-socialists, who absolutely despise socialism."
They despise communism/Marxism. But they do, in fact, have socialist policies. America has a centralized-state-controlled postal service. 'Socialist' Britain has a privately owned Post Office. Socialist policies exist within the capitalist system, and denying that is wrong. Again, it's about the amount of socialist policies that makes a state socialist or not. Like a dial which you turn up. The more to the left you go (and the more socialist policies you have), the more socialist you become.
"The only way to be socialist is according to the state intervention theory, to which I disagree."
Which is the definition of socialism - the social ownership of the means of production. State ownership is social ownership. That's why it's called the 'public sector'.
"That theory would make Qing China, all major European World War 1 belligerents and the Palace Economy of ancient Crete all socialist."
It depends how many socialist policies they have. Some have said that Sparta was similar to National Socialism. I don't know about that, but perhaps it's true.
"The last definition would be to call them socialists simply because they considered themselves to be socialists. That alone does not constitute enough basis to validate a definition."
So you're saying Marxists are not socialist either just because they claim to be? Then by your own logic, we could say that National Socialism was the correct version of socialism and Marxist-socialists aren't socialists _just because they called themselves socialists_.
"They weren't socialist in the view that communists were working class activists"
That's Marxist-socialism, not socialism as a whole.
"Do you know of any other definition of socialism that I may have missed?"
Social ownership of the means of production.
"That's why I made my earlier remarks about you agreeing with Hitler about what was socialism, but disagreeing with current-day Americans on what is socialism about. Hitler was right, the Americans are wrong!"
Perhaps the average American has been led to believe that socialism isn't the social (public) ownership of the means of production?
"It confirmed my view that you hold some opinion of what is 'true socialism' and besides that there exist a bunch of definitions that are beside the essence."
Social (public) ownership of the means of production.
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"This is why I argue that Nazi Germany had a very complex mixed economy coordinated by a dictatorial regime with a heavt socialist element, in other words in a Nazi form."
I agree Strategic Culture, but what you need to remember is that the limited capitalism in National Socialist Germany was German capitalism. It wasn't Jewish capitalism or foreign capitalism - but German capitalism. And limited German capitalism could exist within its socialism. Why? Because Germans were Aryans, and the Aryans had seized the means of production. So long as they were German, they could own private property and businesses (although, even then the state intervened).
“We, National Socialists, would reverse this formula and would adopt the following axiom: A strong national Reich which recognizes and protects to the largest possible measure the rights of its citizens both within and outside its frontiers can allow freedom to reign at home without trembling for the safety of the State. On the other hand, a strong national Government can intervene to a considerable degree in the liberties of the individual subject as well as in the liberties of the constituent states without thereby weakening the ideal of the Reich;” Mein Kampf P510-511
By Hitler's logic, a German can have property etc, but ultimately the state could take that away from them.
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If lots of people want houses, this increases demand. This then causes house prices go up as people are willing to pay more for something they want. This in turn (if unhindered by regulations) causes profits to be made, which then signal to the house builders to increase production of houses to fulfill the demand. Thus, consumer spending is actually both consumption and investment.
But how does the government know what you want? It takes your money off you, then decides what to spend it on - e.g. stuff you don't want, like arsenals, railroads, ports etc. If you wanted any of those things, then that would have caused prices to go up for those things, causing people to build those things. The fact that those things don't already exist is proof that the consumer doesn't want them, and is an indication that they shouldn't be wasting resources on such things.
Thus, all government spending is the consumption of resources stolen from the consumer.
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"'Everything it builds is consumption rather than production'. So I guess in the great capitalist West, people just sat on the shit they built instead of consuming it? Really TIK?"
1. no need to swear. 2. As I replied to someone else -
If lots of people want houses, this increases demand. This then causes house prices go up as people are willing to pay more for something they want. This in turn (if unhindered by regulations) causes profits to be made, which then signal to the house builders to increase production of houses to fulfill the demand. Thus, consumer spending is actually both consumption and investment.
But how does the government know what you want? It takes your money off you, then decides what to spend it on - e.g. stuff you don't want, like arsenals, railroads, ports etc. If you wanted any of those things, then that would have caused prices to go up for those things, causing people to build those things. The fact that those things don't already exist is proof that the consumer doesn't want them, and is an indication that they shouldn't be wasting resources on such things.
Thus, all government spending is the consumption of resources stolen from the consumer.
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"Chuikov presented these reports to Stalin, and would have no doubt been adjusted to be more favorable than in reality.
1,000 without arms vs 2,000 without arms.
Which was more likely to be reported to Stalin?"
I think you've misunderstood. Chuikov reported that there was a shortage of 1,000 rifles. Rodimtsev confirms this, as does other reports. It was Craig (the historian who wrote "Enemy at the Gates") who said it was 2,000. I've not seen another report say it was 2,000 except Craig. And since Craig wrote his book years after Stalin was dead, I doubt Stalin got to read it.
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"Fair enough on German troops numbers, but I'm distressed slightly, that you failed to mention most of the German units being under strength, while mentioning Russian units being under strength."
I told you what they were two episodes ago, and have been stating the casualties since then when they are available. It shouldn't be "distressing" for you, unless you think that I've favouring the Soviet 'side' over the German side'. I can reassure you that I'm not. I'm not taking sides, just trying to be balanced and get it right rather than make stuff up or spout the old myths of the battle.
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"8 and 9 being more or less the same, these numbers were reported to Stain, and those reporting it would have likely under counted unpatriotic incidents, then accurately reporting it to Stalin."
Why would they under-count? Stalin would want to know so he could take action. It doesn't make any sense that they would under-count. If anything, they're incentivised to exaggerate to show that their jobs behind the lines and away from the action were worth doing.
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"In short, I'm suggesting that you should have added a gain of salt to your commentary."
I think you're taking 'sides' rather than being objective here. I'm doing the best with the sources I have. I can make conjectures, but only based on evidence. For example, I know that the Germans under-counted how many tanks and other vehicles they had because we have evidence of them doing that during Operation Market Garden.
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"But I am skeptical that they would allow a Russian in these instances to man a machinegun that could be used against the Germans in battle.
Is it possible, that she manned the machinegun after the crew was killed or abandoned the weapon? Absolutely.
Is it possible they let a Russian man a machinegun in their rear while they attacked? Unlikely."
1. I showed you a picture of a Hiwi with a rifle, and if you google search you will find more just like that, so this isn't uncommon.
2. It may not have been a machine gun. The NKVD reported she was an "automatic weapons man". It sounds to me like she was a submachine-gunner, or even just had an automatic rifle, rather than a MG-34.
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"The battles of Stalingard, reminds me a lot of the Battles of Berlin, reports given to Hitler, were as sugar coated as they could be made."
I don't doubt that. But what's being said in this NKVD report isn't beyond comprehension. We have evidence that Hiwis helped the Germans elsewhere, so why not at Stalingrad? We also know that the Germans recruited spies among the civilian population at Stalingrad. We also have the possibility that the high casualties sustained by the Germans, and the fact that Volodina spoke German, could have been enough to persuade them to recruit her as a fighter. It's not an impossibility.
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"1) The rifles were loaded already?"
Possibly, although it is just a film and not based in reality.
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"2) Any chance that the Russians (Chuikov) understated the amount of soldiers without arms?"
No, because he was getting the information from Rodimtsev and we have other sources confirming this.
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"3) Do you suppose that Chuikov embellished a tad?"
Possibly.
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"4) As you stated some report were more realistic than others?"
Yes.
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"5) Shooting the pilot of the boat that refused to go further, do you suppose that the Russians on the ground might have done the same to their soldiers?"
I also gave a report of NKVD shooting their own soldiers in this episode. However, Order 227 was aimed primarily at the officers and generals, not necessarily the men. But yes, some of the men did get shot too.
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"6) Rearranged history? Do you suppose that this was the only instance of it?"
I don't know what you're referring too. Can you be more specific?
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"7) I also noted that you mentioned many Russian units strengths, but fail to even mention German units strengths."
It's not always possible to give unit strengths. The sources don't allow it. Worse, the Germans record their strengths by saying they're "strong" or of "medium" strength and so on, which is a really bad way of doing it in my opinion.
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"8) Why would the Russians with no water or food other than meat cut from dead horses, be concerned that the NKVD would be waiting for them at the Volga, if they retreated?"
As I said, some of them got shot. Most though were turned back and told to keep fighting, which they did. But that doesn't mean that they threw soldiers into combat in unarmed waves and then gunned them down when they retreated. They shot a couple as an example and sent the rest back to fight.
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"9) And would the numbers reported executed, be patriotically adjusted?"
Possibly. The Soviet Union had a habit of exaggerating their numbers to meet centrally set quatas.
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"10) Ammunition carried per man was what? 50 rounds per riflemen and maybe 200 rounds per machine gunner, or less?"
It depends, but probably.
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"11) The Germans allowing Russians to fight for them, at best, is doubtful. Had the woman in question been gang raped by Russians, or had family members murdered by the Russians, it's entirely possible that she, on her own accord, picked up a weapon to extract revenge on those who that had persecuted her and/or her family. Hell has no fury, than a woman scorned."
We know that the Germans did recruit Russians. The only question is, did they recruit them at Stalingrad. We have evidence here that they did. We also have evidence of the Germans committing the crimes you mention - https://youtu.be/g7oqNLEzdLU
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Minimum wage results in high long term unemployment and the destruction of businesses https://youtu.be/0fsVI3EmUnQ
So if you want to help the poor, you'll be against minimum wages. The same thing applies to other government interventions. Health care costs in the USA skyrocketed as a direct result of Obama Care https://youtu.be/0uPdkhMVdMQ
So if you want good quality, cheap, affordable health care, and doctors who actually care about the patient, then you'll be against government control or ownership of the health care industry.
This is the principal of the seen and the unseen. Yes, the immediate affect of a policy may seem to have good intentions, but the CONSEQUENCES are disastrous. The CONSEQUENCES of the policies that the Left advocate are devastating to the very people they claim to help. This is because they don't want to help the poor. They've tricked the poor and middle class into hurting themselves. And who are "they"? The very elite the Left claims to be fighting. Those in power (the politicians, the aristocracy, the rich). Government is a tool to keep you poor, controlled and muzzled. It keeps them in power by stealing your rights, liberties and wealth from you.
Wake up.
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"If loans are given out by banks through fractional reserve banking, how does the central banks' interest rate impact the market rate ? Shouldn't the banks have enough leeway to set their own "market-style" interest rate ?"
"Regarding the gold-standard: isn't that effectively fixing either the value of gold or the currency and therefore eliminating free-flowing exchange rates (aka market prices for currencies) ?"
In a free market, you're not 'fixing' any price at all. You're letting gold fluctuate just like any other product. In a free market, you'll see slight amounts of inflation and deflation (normal ups and downs in a typical market). However, gold will 'stabilize' roughly at a given price due to normal market operations. That stability is what's crucial and will basically eliminate inflation.
(Clarification: there will be slight inflation because we're constantly digging more gold out the ground, but the rate is so low that any 'crash' that happens will hardly be noticeable, unlike current recessions and depression which affect us for years.)
"Maybe I haven't put enough thought into gold-standards yet"
Well, just so you know, the "Gold Standard" of the 1800s wasn't a true gold standard. Fractional reserve banking still existed. So when people cry that the old gold standard didn't work, they're correct, but not because it was gold, but because of the fractional reserve banking. That's why the 20th and 21st Centuries so far have seen recessions WAY WAY WAY worse than anything in the 1800s, because we came off gold completely.
"if the government wanted to increase their gold-backing to give out more currency, how would they buy it ?"
Again, fractional reserve banking is what causes the problem. The point I'm making is that we don't want them to give out more currency. Gold prevents them from printing more, which in turn prevents recessions.
"What if nobody wants to sell the government their gold for the fixed price ?"
The government will have to increase the amount it's willing to pay for gold. But in a true gold economy, you'd be swapping gold for gold, which wouldn't make any sense. The government would have to actually provide goods and services that people wanted to pay for in order for people to give the government their gold. So again, this benefits the people, rather than benefiting the State like in our current economy where the State just steals wealth off people.
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Inflation is created by one thing and one thing only - the fractional reserve banking system. You cannot have inflation if the currency supply remains the same. If there's 10 people with £100, even if you doubled or halved the number of people, you'd still only have a total of £1000 in the economy and thus no inflation. Only by printing more cash or adding digits to a screen can cause inflation.
As I said, we all have a personal interest rate. The market (buyers and sellers) have their own interest rates, and they collectively determine what they are. But when a central state bank dictates what interest rates are, they artificially make them higher or lower than what the marker (the people) want. For example, I've been saving for years because I personally am a saver. I only spend if I have to. No matter how low interest rates go, I'll never take out debt again, and I'm only going to spend if I need to, or buy gold and silver to protect my wealth against inflation. So they can drive rates into negative territory all they like (which they are about to do, it seems), but that's not going to change my habits. My personal interest rate remains high, regardless of the central bank.
But because interest rates are so artificially low right now, this is causing manipulations in the market. I'm pulling most of my cash out of the system. Others are getting into tons of debt that they may not otherwise be in. Corporations thrive on debt. But now the system is crashing, those manipulations are about to bite the people and businesses that went along with the central bank's policies. That's why heavily debted corporations and people are now in trouble, but I'm fine. Those who were smart with their money will be fine. Those who weren't, won't be. And that's rightly so. Let the bad businesses fail!
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"@TIK a lot to read, on hiring someone, do as the evil capitalist and out source that to a lower cost country and run with it :-)"
Exactly, the government forces employers to seek employees outside of the country through its taxation policies. I mean, I couldn't do that anyway because it's not practical and I'd rather manage my employees personally so that I get train them to be more efficient, productive, and personally give them financial incentives as a reward etc. However, technically the choices I have right now are: hire someone at above minimum wage and dodge taxes (illegal), hire someone at less than minimum wage in order to cover additional taxation (which is illegal), or hire no one at all. So, the UK has one additional unemployed worker, and there are less history videos on YouTube for you (the consumer) to consume, and that's entirely because of socialism. Socialism hurts the employer, the worker and the consumer, and lowers the standard of living for everybody.
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"@TIK Nope, they didn't eliminate the system of social classes, in fact the Nazi era was a golden age for the German burgoisie when it came to their profits."
But they did. Hitler removed the Jews and made one social-group state - the German people. See, this wasn't Marxist(class)socialism, this was National(racist)Socialism. They're not about profits or eliminating the bourgeoisie. Their "bourgeoisie"-equivalent was the Jews. However, the fact remains that they were socialist. Socialism is the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production. The Nazi government was absolutely in control of the means of production, all businesses, and the economy as a whole. It wasn't left in the hands of the private sector (capitalism), the state was in control.
"Nationalising the industries doesn't necesarily mean public propierty"
Of course it does! The state is the "public" sector. That's what it means. If you have a bunch of workers rise up and take ownership of the factories, they then form councils (soviets) of workers which band together to form a government. You then have a new public government. The public is the government which represents the public. The public is the state. So when an industry becomes nationalized, it becomes public-state property. There is no difference between the "public" and the "state". But there is a difference between the state and the "private" sector, which is non-state control of the economy (capitalism).
"taking the formerly public systems and giving them to a few capitalists friends of the leader."
Yes, because (and I know this will sound shocking, but) private individuals who specialise in their industries and learn how to manage people, hire employees, maximise production and sales etc can run businesses and enterprises better than uncaring bureaucrats and lying politicians. Politicians can't run businesses better than individuals. That is a fact.
"specially if the system you have is that the state provides the legislative and administrative means for the burgoisie to exploit the workers even more"
This YouTube channel is a business. Technically I'm one of those "evil capitalists" who is currently looking to hire another worker (even though I can't actually afford to since I'm on minimum wage, but I'm willing to take a pay-cut to do it). That's not exploitation, that's great! I'm increasing employment, and I'm growing the economy, since every additional video made as a result of me new employee will bring in additional revenue, which will go back into the business and/or employee to further increase production, employment and revenue.
But then the government taxes me heavily if I hire an employee. I would hire one right now, but I know I have to pay such heavy taxation that I can't do it until I earn a lot more. Therefore, socialism has actually prevented one worker from being employed by me (even though I can recruit them at more than mininum wage if it wasn't for the taxation).
In addition, the socialist EU is bringing in Article 13 in January, which will destroy YouTube. They're trying to prop up the inefficient and dying television and music industries. As a result they will stifle innovation and destroy jobs. Yes, instead of leaving it to the private sector to run businesses, let's prop up dying industries,shrink the economy and cause more unemployment. Yay, socialism! Article 13: https://youtu.be/gBTJb08VYUU
"Going by this, UK would have been socialist during both world wars,"
Of course it was! That's why when the Labour Party won the 1945 election they brought in nationalization and socialism.
"state capitalism"
No such thing. Capitalism is the private ownership of the means of production. If the state owns businesses, it's no longer in private ownership, and therefore cannot be capitalism. State ownership of the means of production is socialism - that is the definition.
"is it public in order to increase the rights and position of the workers so a society that's not based in explotaition can rise or is it public so it can be better used in the event of war?"
If I was saying it was Marxism, you might have a point. But I'm not saying it's Marxism - I'm saying it's socialism. Socialism has nothing to do with the working "class", since class is what distinguishes Marxism from normal socialism.
"most of the German industrialists not only didn't go into hiding, they were hired and took an active role in the government"
Oh, so it was state ownership of the means of production? Thank you for confirming that.
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@dmitriyparfenov Oh good! I'm glad you do!
I should also explain that for many of the old history books or the old sources (e.g. back in Orwell's era) it was probably not done as an insult to the non-Russians in the Soviet Union, but it's more of a short-hand for "Russian peoples". It has generally fallen out of favour because I think people realized that it wasn't an accurate enough term, but you may still find some historians innocently using it today. That doesn't necessarily mean they are bad historians- they may simply not be aware.
A good example is the term "the Ukraine". I once got chastised for referring to the Ukraine as "the Ukraine" because, apparently, it implies to the Ukrainians that the Ukraine is a province of Russia. That is incorrect. It's hard to explain in typed text, but if I said "I am going to Netherlands", people would correct me and say it's "the Netherlands". It's also "I'm going to the Vatican", not "I'm going to Vatican". And it's "I'm going to walk the dog," not "I'm going to walk dog".
Well, for the same reason, it's "I'm going to the Ukraine". If it was "I'm going to Ukrainia", then that would work because the ending of the word "Ukrainia" would make it sound right to native English speakers to not use a "the" before the name. But because of the way the word "Ukraine" sounds by itself, it requires a "the" before it.
Again, it's not done maliciously, it's just good English. And even though I understand why the Ukrainians are offended by it, I think they've misunderstood the intent. I can't call the Ukraine "Ukraine" by itself because it just simply doesn't sound right in English.
Well, for the same reason, "the Russians" implies all the people who were formerly within the Soviet Union (perhaps with some exceptions, like the Polish or similar). Again, it's not necessarily done maliciously.
There are historians who are using it deliberately though; they tend to be the 'pro-German' historians. You'll have more to worry about when reading their works than the use of "Russians"...
So sometimes the use of the word "Russians" could just be because of inaccuracy, or old-usage, or it could be an indication that the author has a bias against the Soviet Union or the Russian Federation today. It does depend on the context. But I do wish more people in and around Russia knew this because I think English speakers get a lot of flak over this, when sometimes it wasn't done maliciously.
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"TIK Pls stop making political statements as they do not make any sense."
It's not politics, it's economics.
"Maybe because you are not putting as much effort into understanding Soviet politics as you do with getting purely military side right."
Politics and military are an extension of economics. Without economics, you do not have the others.
"Firstly what country isn't national socialist (nazi) in a sense? Every country!"
No, only those with a State-planned economy led by the racial collective which believes in the Racial Theory of History.
"Except Nazi Germany which was neither Nationalist nor Socialist..."
It was nationalist in the sense of race, not 'bourgeois nationalist' to use Hitler's term. It was socialist because it was nationalist.
"To be truly national socialist it should not have been run by creme dela cremes (sxuse my French) of oligarchs with Hitler as their puppet."
So it was international socialist now?
"Nazi Germany was neo feudalist state with huge imperial ambitions."
Oh I see, Hitler didn't go East for Lebensraum or to found a racial paradise, he went East for the money.
"Thicker bones thrown or promised to be thrown to the masses does not mean socialism in any meaningful way."
Absolutely. Socialism was designed to impoverish the economy, not improve their lives.
"Secondly, for that particular reason Nazis do not get to call themselves Nazi. Not their call. sorry."
You're right, they don't call themselves "Nazi" because that's what their enemies use to describe them. They call themselves "National Socialists".
"Fascists fits and describes them better."
Fascists do not believe in the racial theory of history. There were Jews in Mussolini's Fascist Party.
"You made very subtle transition from Soviets as though adopting national socialism (which is a crazy idea) to Jews being killed including Sabine Spielrein."
You're right, technically they were fascists in this era. They only killed Jews in the Russian Civil War (the White Army did kill more Jews, but as Gellately shows in the book "Lenin, Stalin and Hitler", the Red Army also had pogroms against the Jews) and later after the war when Stalin persecuted Jews.
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"Being able to buy into a company on the stock market (public) isn't socialism, man."
Oh okay... collective ownership of the means of production isn't socialism then? It must be capitalism.
" It just means anyone with the money can buy into a chunk of the company .... words have meaning and common usage in English."
Yeah they do. Again: "Public vs Private | The Historic Definitions of Socialism & Capitalism" https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
"The term socialism refers to any system in which the production and distribution of goods and services is a shared responsibility of a group of people."
Yes, like corporations.
"Socialism is based upon economic and political theories that advocate for collectivism."
Collective = group. Group = "public". Public = the hierarchy of society (a State, like a corporation).
"In a state of socialism, there is NO privately owned property."
Corporations aren't privately owned. They're collectively owned by their shareholders. Also Hitler abolished private property under the Reichstag Fire Decree of 1933, which was why he was able to seize 'private' property off the Jews to enrich the German 'race'.
"Shareholders of a corporation provide financial backing to a company in exchange future dividends they don't control the means of production and distribution of even that one company, much less the entire nation, though the directors that do control it CAN also be shareholders but they don't have to be."
All collectives are made up of individuals. Just because there are individuals inside the collective, doesn't mean that it isn't a collective. Making money is not capitalism, and making no money is not socialism. Socialism is the collective ownership of the means of production. No one individual (a 'private') owns a 'public' corporation (a corporation that has shareholders) because the shareholders collectively own the corporation.
"Private companies can still have shareholders where multiple people own the company"
They're not 'private' then. 'Private' means 'individual'. To use your own words - "words have meaning and common usage in English."
"which is what the Nazi era bigger companies were."
A collective of people forms a hierarchy, as I showed in the public vs private video (link above). The Nazi corporations were hierarchies. They were public sector States, not private sector entities. A thousand people working for a giant hierarchy is not a 'private' entity.
"all the small sole propriety businesses ... WERE STILL privately owned sole propriety businesses under Nazi Germany."
Which is why they were getting destroyed under the Socialist economy. You must remember though that Hitler only wanted to implement full-socialism AFTER the conquest of Lebensraum. So, while there were still technically 'private' property in Third Reich (although technically private property was abolished), their days were numbered. Once Hitler conquered the East, he would have the resources needed to implement full-socialism. He makes this very clear in Mein Kampf and his Second Book.
"It's hard to see your points when even Germany's arms manufacture like airplanes and tanks were private companies that had to design prototypes, compete with each other, and bid on contracts all throughout the time of Nazi Germany."
States compete with each other. That doesn't make them 'private'. It's hard to see how you think hierarchies of means of production that consist of thousands of people can be classed as 'private'. They're not private, they're public.
"Caring about factual information doesn't make a person pro communist, ya bag of doorknobs. Fuck socialism, and communism, AND Nazi Germany."
But you're not being factual. You've done what I did - listen to the collective and not question what you were told. Don't make the same mistake I did and assume that Hitler only put socialism in the name to "trick the workers". It's a myth. Watch my Public vs Private video. Wait for my upcoming videos on National Socialism, which will clarify my points and destroy the "counterarguments". It's not what they tell you, it's what they don't tell you.
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"In June 1919"
That's AFTER the Soviet fell. If you're claiming Hitler was an anti communist agent sent in to spy on Eisner and the Bavarian Soviet, then you need to provide evidence of this prior to their collapse.
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"If you seriously believe anti Communist Industrialists, Bankers, Clergy or Monarchies, domestic and international, didn't support Hitler's anti communism, the only question I have for you is who is paying you to produce and spread such garbage?"
Again, as shown in my video, backed by copious amounts of evidence, the idea that Hitler was funded into power by the capitalists was debunked in 1985. That narrative relies on dubious memoirs and distorts history https://youtu.be/fNvfzJwyzX8?si=ikRPuiClLE-WbV_H
When you make a claim, the burden of proof is on you. And don't link to Wikipedia, it's garbage. If you're going to present evidence, provide the actual evidence.
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I'm British. And I will qualify my criticism of memoirs in a future video. However, my question to you is this - what about the 9th of September 2001? What about the 1st of September 2002? The reality is that Keitel can't even remember the dates properly, and memoirs as a whole are not as trustworthy as other sources. But like I said in the video, every source needs to be scrutinized, not just memoirs. Blindly accepting things at face value will lead you to the wrong conclusions. "People remember significant events." - Maybe, but that doesn't mean they will speak the truth. You're questioning what I'm saying (which is fine), but you're not willing to question memoirs just because they were written by someone from the time? What Keitel says Hitler said, is just Keitel's opinion. That is the reality of the situation.
In regards to the "massing on the Soviet border" idea, and Suvorov's thesis in general, I'll quote Glantz because he makes it clear that it's false -
"There is no question that Soviet dogma had long spoken of "liberating" capitalist Europe by an offensive that would inspire the workers to revolt against their masters. In all probability, Stalin intended to enter the war at some future date when Germany was so overstretched that a Marxist revolution appeared possible. It is equally true, as described earlier, that the Red Army hada theoretical and organizational bias in favor of offensive action, if only to ensure that future wars were fought on foreign soil rather than that of the Soviet Union. This bias may have made Stalin and his generals overconfident until Zhukov recognized the imminent German threat in May. Having said this, there is little convincing evidence that either the Germans or the Soviets thought the latter could initiate such a conflict in 1941. On the contrary, as this chapter has documented, both sides were acutely aware of the weakness and unpreparedness of the Red Army and VVS. If anything, the German success against France and Britain caught Stalin by surprise, forcing him to confront his ideaological foe long before he had expected Hitler to defeat the West. Moreover, the Germans had been preparing their invasion since mid-1940, long before there were any indicators of Soviet preparations to attack." - Glantz, When Titan’s Clashed, P47
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Actually Harold I do. Not everyone needs to be introduced to the topic of critical thinking, but a lot do. I have numerous people in this comment section arguing that Suvorov was correct, with only opinions to back up their claims. Clearly there is a lack of critical thinking going on. And many people are also thanking me for the video because it's opened their eyes to critical thinking. So I apologise if you found this tedious, but I suspect you're only saying that because you agree with Suvorov.
And to answer your question, I'll quote from David Glantz's "When Titan's Clashed" P39
"One of the scenarios that Stalin feared most in 1941 was a German provocation, a seizure of some small salient of Soviet territory instead of an all-out invasion. This concern reinforced the tendency to plan a continuous, frontal defense along the border rather than teh type of fluid maneuver battle that had made the Red Army so effective during the Civil War. Despite belated efforts in teh spring of 1941, the new border defenses were far from complete when teh Germans attacked, and the divisions assigned to occupy those positions were scattered in garrisons throughout the border area. Forward rifle forces had garrisons as much as 80 kilometers (50 miles) away from the frontier. To avoid any provocation to the Germans, the actual border was thinly manned by NKVD secruity troops, and on 22 June, the forward Soviet defences were in many instances overrun before they could be manned."
From Page 47, in a portion of Glantz's book that directly addresses Suvorov's ideas -
"There is no question that Soviet dogma had long spoken of "liberating" capitalist Europe by an offensive that would inspire the workers to revolt against their masters. In all probability, Stalin intended to enter the war at some future date when Germany was so overstretched that a Marxist revolution appeared possible. It is equally true, as described earlier, that the Red Army hada theoretical and organizational bias in favor of offensive action, if only to ensure that future wars were fought on foreign soil rather than that of the Soviet Union. This bias may have made Stalin and his generals overconfident until Zhukov recognized the imminent German threat in May. Having said this, there is little convincing evidence that either the Germans or the Soviets thought the latter could initiate such a conflict in 1941. On the contrary, as this chapter has documented, both sides were acutely aware of the weakness and unpreparedness of the Red Army and VVS. If anything, the German success against France and Britain caught Stalin by surprise, forcing him to confront his ideaological foe long before he had expected Hitler to defeat the West. Moreover, the Germans had been preparing their invasion since mid-1940, long before there were any indicators of Soviet preparations to attack."
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"they also claim that fascism is corpratist."
Oh yes, it's a way of distincing "real socialism" from failed socialisms of the past, including the one which was based on race. It's not surprising such views were expressed in a school/university, since many of the tutors are socialists. I had the same problem here in the UK. They're recruiting generations of students through state-education systems. It's disgusting when I think back that I paid to have history lecturers teach me distorted history.
"What do you make of the sort of use of evoking the NAZIs by pro communism and socialism writers as the logical end point of capitalism. Has that narrative had any effect on history?"
Well, that argument doesn't make any sense to me, since we know that National Socialism wasn't capitalism. How can state-control be the natural end-point of capitalism? "State Capitalism" is socialism. It's purely a way of distancing themselves from National Socialism, distance themselves from state ownership (which is socialism, but by denying it they can keep promoting the ideal of socialism which attracts so many people) and continue to spout the evils of capitalism by dumping a failed socialist regime onto the Right and calling it capitalism.
Socialists do this all the time - saying something that's in direct contradiction to the reality of the situation in order to blame their opponents. As another example, the idea that Robin Hood stole from the rich and gave to the poor (making him good). But when you look at it, he stole from the Sheriff (Shire Reeve, or state official) and gave the money back to the tax-payer (rich or poor). Somehow this was twisted 180 degrees to promote socialism, which then ironically implements high taxation policies on everyone in order to fund their wellfare programs.
The historical literature of the previous 100 years is full of socialist propaganda and word-twisting, so it's definitely had its effect. I'm not saying all academic historians studying this period are socialists, but a lot are. This makes sense since they are funded by the state (the public sector) which is common control. Those that aren't socialists have been massively influenced by the Left's view of history to the point that they don't even realise it. In Richard Evans' recent Third Reich books, he says -
"Despite the change of name, however, it would be wrong to see Nazism as a form of, or an outgrowth from, socialism. True, as some have pointed out, its rhetoric was frequently egalitarian, it stressed the need to put common needs above the needs of the individual, and it often declared itself opposed to big business and international finance capital. Famously, too, antisemitism was once declared to be ‘the socialism of fools’. But from the very beginning, Hitler declared himself implacably opposed to Social Democracy and, initially to a much smaller extent, Communism: after all, the ‘November traitors’ who had signed the Armistice and later the Treaty of Versailles were not Communists at all, but the Social Democrats and their allies.” - Evans, R. “The Coming of the Third Reich.” Penguin Books, Kindle 2004.
Yes, National Socialism has a lot of socialist traits, but Hitler was anti-democratic, and anti-Marxist, therefore wasn't socialist? I respect Evans a lot for his work in the Irving vs Lipstadt Trial, and I think he's a great historian who knows his stuff about the Third Reich, but from this quote it is clear that he doesn't understand that while Marxism is a form of Socialism, it isn't Socialism in itself. Up until this point in the book, he was describing socialism over and over, and then the "it's not real socialism" comes out.
There are so many books like this or similar that I'm beginning to worry about the future. I'm glad I'm not the only one pointing out this huge distortion of history, but it's worrying to say the least. It has had its effect on today's politics. By placing the National Socialists on the Right-wing of politics (where they don't fit), they can then paint the entire Right as evil-racists. Again, this confuses a lot of people because most people on the Right are not racist, while a lot of the Left are racist. Identity politics is all about racism, sexism and classism! You're not racist for thinking one race is better or worse than another: you're racist for judging people by the colour of their skin, even if it is favourable to that "race".
Luckily, with time, the distortions of history are corrected (usually once the emotions are taken out of the picture). I'm confident that people in the future will look back on our era and say "these idiots thought that National Socialism wasn't socialist!"
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If you believe in equality - that everyone should have an equal chance to do and achieve anything you want to do - and shouldn't be restricted or judged by the colour of your skin, gender, nationality or class, and that people should receive the fruits of their labour (get paid for how much you work), and that you shouldn't have your pay forcefully taken from you, and that you are fully responsible for your own life, then you are a liberal. This is called liberalism.
If you don't support individual freedom, if you support government-control of individual people (the means of production), and a restriction of individual rights and freedom, and believe that people should be guilty by association because they are part of a "bad" social group ("all people of this class, race, gender or nationality are bad"), and believe that people should be judged by the colour of their skin or gender or class or nationality etc, and think that the fruits of your labour should be forcefully taken from you to be given to others, and that you're not responsible for your life because the government is, then you are a socialist. This is called socialism.
Mild socialism (roads, fire brigade and army) is fine, but too much doesn't work, because when you have a community/public/state suppress people's lives and take everything from them, they live in misery, poverty, and slavery.
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"I support free markets but they need restrictions too."
Then you don't support free markets.
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"Otherwise the wealth eventually concentrates into oligopolies or monopolies."
No it doesn't, not in a free market. You only get oligarchies and monopolies in a state managed market, and every single instance of a monopoly you can think of was created because of state intervention. Standard Oil, German Cartels... it was the State that made them what they were.
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"Both of which end up being almost as bad, if not as bad, for society as communism. Which is the ultimate monopoly."
Monopolies are bad, but hardly as bad as the Killing Fields of Cambodia.
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"History shows that people get lazy, mean, and authoritarian (to maintain dominance) in both situations."
You mean like right now? If you get rewarded for working, you're not incentivised to get lazy. The free market rewards you for working, unlike the state managed economy which altruistically steals from the producers and gives it to the lazy looters.
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"It’s competition and a certain amount of government anti-trust over-site in a free market case that keeps people honest and ambitious."
The government is dishonest and has no competition, resulting in a lack of trust, and a terrible economy when they do intervene. This concept of yours has been debunked numerous times and shown to only make the problem worse.
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"The above said, history clearly shows that there are aspects of an economy where a socialist approach is best"
Socialism ALWAYS makes the problems worse. Never, in any situation, is socialism the better result. Thomas Sowell's "Basic Economics" shows this (amongst others).
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"I reject your argument that they are mutually exclusive and if you have any historical evidence of a modern nation sized society to support your contention I’d like you to reference it."
If you don't have evidence of a motorcar I guess we shouldn't invent the wheel.
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"As far as the people who say that things like the police can be privatized. Sure that works for the wealthy, who can afford private security, but ends up being a disaster for the poor and eventually for all of society."
Meanwhile the state police in the UK are cracking the skulls of the poor and are implementing a racist and sexist two-tier system at the bidding of their pedo-overlords.
There are actually more private security forces in the UK than there are state policemen, since businesses and individuals have realised that the state police are completely worthless and are only out to get them.
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"Just look at the degradation of communities that have recently defunded the police in the US."
They still steal their money off them in the form of taxes and inflation. So this isn't an example of a free market, because in a free market, they would have their money back, and would have the freedom to form their own police forces. The state takes their money and leaves them to it, which is not a free market.
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"TIK has an idealized, unrealistic view of humans, separated from uncomfortable biological facts."
Facts like the fact we are individuals with brains, not brain-dead collectives.
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"Among others, there is the fact that we are indeed, undeniably, a type of animal."
Our bodies have natural processes, but our minds are capable of thinking, separating us from the animals.
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"A pack animal."
No we're not.
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"There is nothing "magical" about us."
Exactly! There's no collective 'racial soul' uniting us in "spirit".
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"As a group we function by instinct."
We don't need to operate in groups, and instinct is an animal response, not a human response (outside of car crashes and such).
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"It is why libertarian, ancap views (what TIK might term 'true/actual capitalism') never have and never will resonate with us."
These are not libertarian nor ancap view, and I'm sure the libertarians and ancaps will back me up on that, since my argument doesn't come from their ideas.
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Motives? Ok, for one, I didn't consult that source because I couldn't find it (and still can't, do you have a link?). Second, in retaliation to your last sentence claiming that this source speaks the golden truth, that is complete rubbish. No one-source holds the truth - and that is the only truth about sources. You need a convergence of evidence, and all the other sources make it clear what actually happened.
Now, I'm neither for nor against what Pienaar did. In this case I'm only an observer. Apart from being entertained by Pienaar's actions, I have deliberately remained neutral on the matter here. I think a strong argument could be made for or against his actions, however an argument cannot be made in favour of the excuse you (or the SA history you quoted) stated.
On the one hand he was looking out for his men, on the other he let the New Zealanders down. That's the centre of the debate. If you want to talk about that, fine, but right now I haven't made my mind up. That said, his motivations are obvious - and his decision wasn't aren't affected by the actions on the battlefield. You can quite clearly see by looking at the map that there are no enemy units in his path. The Germans and Italians aren't in that area, which is confirmed by every other source on the matter. There was nothing blocking his path at all until he got to the Siding Rezegh area. So it has nothing to do with units blocking his route.
This means that the SA history has nothing to offer in this debate except confirm that it (as a source) is biased in favour of Pienaar's actions and is willing to state that the path was blocked, even though it wasn't. But that cannot be argued as that is simply not true! And it also doesn't need to be argued anyway because there's a reasonable argument to be made for Pienaar's actions, so all the SA history does it prove it's own bias. We don't need bias; Pienaar's motive was simply to keep his men from danger in a battle he thought had been lost. Inventing the idea that there were units blocking his path is a distortion that isn't required to defend his actions if you wish to defend them.
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“Control over domestic resources was paralleled by centralized control over imports. Both countries [Nazi and Soviet] controlled and restricted international trade.” Temin, P580
"Both governments reorganized industry into larger units, ostensibly to increase state control over economic activity. The Nazis reorganized industry into 13 administrative groups with a large number of subgroups to create a private hierarchy for state control. The state therefore could direct the firms’ activities without acquiring direct ownership of enterprises. The pre-existing tendency to form cartels was encouraged to eliminate competition that would destabilize prices.” Temin, P582-583
“The Soviets had made a similar move in the 1920s. Faced with a scarcity of administrative personnel, the state encouraged enterprises to combine into trusts and trusts to combine into syndicates. These large units continued into the 1930s where they were utilized to bridge the gap between overall plans and actual production.” Temin, P583
"“... this difference was not important to many decisions. The incentives for managers - both positive and negative - were very similar in the two countries. Consequently, their responses to the [Four or Five Year] plans were also similar. In neither case did the managers set the goals of the plans.” Temin, P590-591
“Like Hitler, Backe saw the mission of National Socialism as being the supersession of the rotten rule of the bourgeoisie. Far from being impractical, Backe’s ideology provided a grand historical rationale for the extreme protectionism already implemented by the nationalist agrarians. Far from being backward looking, Backe’s vision assigned to National Socialism the mission of achieving a reconciliations of the unresolved contradictions of nineteenth-century liberalism. It was not National Socialism but the Victorian ideology of the free market that was the outdated relic of a bygone era. After the economic disasters of the early 1930s there was no good reason to cling to such a dangerous archaic doctrine. The future belonged to a new system of economic organization capable of ensuring both the security of the national food supply and the maintenance of a healthy farming community as the source of racial vitality.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P174
[Tooze's Wages of Destruction P179-180] Because Germany didn’t have enough land to feed her population, both Backe and Hitler (and others) wanted to expand eastwards. The local populations were to be impacted by German ‘rearrangement’. “Those left in place were to serve as slave labour on German settler farms. The SS was to be the sword and shield of this settler movement.”
On the 26th of September 1933, Darré and Backe created the “Erbhof” law. [Tooze's Wages of Destruction P182]
“For the purpose of protecting the peasantry as the ‘Blood Source of the German People’, the law proposed to create a new category of farm, the Erbhof (hereditary farm), protected by debt, insulated from market forces and passed down from generation to generation within racially pure peasant families. The law applied to all farms that were sufficient in size to provide a German family with an adequate standard of living (an Achernahrung, later defined as a minimum of c. 7.5 hectares), but did not exceed 125 hectares.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P182
“The term ‘peasant’ (Bauer) was henceforth defined as an honorary title, reserved for those registered on the Role. Those not entered in the Erbhofrolle were henceforth to be referred to merely as ‘farmers’ (Landwirte). Entry in the Rolle protected the Erbhof for ever against the nightmare of repossession. By the same token, it also imposed constraints. Erbhoefe could not be sold. Nor could they be used as security against mortgages. Farms registered as Erbhoefe were thus removed from the free disposal of their immediate owners. Regardless of existing arrangements between spouses, Erbhoefe were to have a single, preferably male, owner who was required to document his line of descent, at least as far back as 1800, the same requirements as for civil servants. ‘Peasants’ were to be of German or ‘similar stock’ (Stammesgleich), a provision that excluded Jews, or anyone of partial Jewish descent.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P182-183
“The line of inheritance was now fixed in law.” P183 [clearly not free-market capitalism]
“Coupled with this extraordinary intervention in the property rights of German peasants was an equally drastic programme of debt reduction. Backe and Darré proposed that the Erbhof farmers should assume collective responsibility for each other’s debts. The debts of all Erbhoefe, variously estimated at between 6 and 9 billion Reichsmarks, were to be transferred to the Rentenbank Kreditanstalt, a state-sponsored mortgage bank. The Rentenbank would repay the original creditors with interest ranging between 2 and 4 per cent depending on the security of the original loan. ” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P183 [no more personal debt for these farmers, but collective debt]
Hitler approved of this plan, despite opposition from Junkers, some peasants and Schacht (as well as others). He then decided that it would go through, after negotiations. P184. Unfortunately for Darré and Schacht, they had to shelve the debt-relief idea and come up with a compromise ‘grant’ scheme instead for peasants who were in debt. P185 They also had to relax the inheritance elements of the law to appease the peasants. P185-186 Rate of enrollment for those farms that fitted the bill was high. It wasn’t enough to ‘transform the structure of land ownership in Germany.” P186 But it did have an impact. “It consolidated a group of farms whose average size nationally was just less than 20 hectares, a figure that was soon to be defined as the ideal size for efficient family farming in the new order of German agriculture.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P186
“The second fundamental step taken by Darré and Backe in the autumn of 1933 was the organization of the Reichsnaehrstand (RNS). It is not too much to say that the setting up of this organization and its associated system of price and production controls marked the end of the free market for agricultural produce in Germany. Agriculture and food production, which until the mid-nineteenth century had been overwhelmingly [-P187] the most important part of the German economy and which still in the 1930s constituted a very significant element of national product, were removed from the influence of market forces. As Backe clearly articulated even before 1933, the mechanism of price-setting was the key. The RNS made use of prices to regulate production.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P186-187
Other counter arguments include Ernst Rohm’s Putsch, where people will say that the Nazis killed socialists. However, this is actually an example of state control, since it is the state cracking down on private businesses and organizations.The ‘socialists’ that Hitler killed were Ernst Röhm and his associates. These were a small number of (1,000) of socialists out of the large SA (3,000,000 strong) who were supposedly planning a coup on Hitler. This was in-fighting within the Party, rather than ideological opponents.
Another counterargument is that Hitler got rid of trade unions. And, at first, getting rid of trade unions looks like an example of getting rid of socialism. But is this really the case? What is a trade union? A trade union is an organization (usually Marxist in nature) of workers (class) who are opposing the employer (class). Since trade unions are based on class and not race, they’re an example of Marxism within capitalism.
Hitler replaces the Marxist (class) trade unions with the racial-state’s “German Labour Front” (DAF). The state is now in control of the workers - a sign of socialism. Since trade unions (private organizations) are no longer around, this is a sign of anti-capitalism, as well as anti-Marxism. It also misses the point that Lenin was against trade unions as well, despite being a Marxist-socialist.
So, with the above quotes, we can see that private property was abolished and that the capitalist businessmen were in trouble. They were not, as some claim, "supporting Hitler" and ruling the roost. They were under the socialist thumb. Similarly we have a heavy-state involvement in land reform in order to ‘socialize’ it. We also have price controls and high taxes restricting any effective ‘capitalism’ that may have been going on in the economy. All this is in addition to the fact that Hitler had restricted Germany’s trade with the world (“international-Jewish-finance” as he called it), severely limiting capitalism. We have the destruction of trade unions (both capitalist and Marxist in nature) and their replacement with the state. Therefore, what we have here is a planned socialist economy, not capitalism.
Sources -
Temin, P. “Soviet and Nazi Economic Planning in the 1930s.” From The Economic History Review, New Series, Vol. 44, No. 4 (Nov., 1991), pp. 573-593 (21 pages). Jstor. https://www.jstor.org/stable/2597802?seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents
Tooze, A. “Wages of Destruction: The Making & Breaking of The Nazi Economy.” Penguin Books, 2007.
Reimann, G. “The Vampire Economy: Doing Business under Fascism.” Kindle, Mises Institute, 2007. Originally written in 1939.
(Accessed 04/10/2018)
https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Reichstagsbrandverordnung
http://home.wlu.edu/~patchw/His_214/_handouts/Weimar%20constitution.htm
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Weimar_constitution
http://www.zum.de/psm/weimar/weimar_vve.php
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I will explain this ‘privatization’.
28 February 1933 -
Order of the Reich President for the Protection of People and State
On the basis of Article 48 paragraph 2 of the Constitution of the German Reich, the following is ordered in defense against Communist state-endangering acts of violence:
§ 1. Articles 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124 and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. It is therefore permissible to restrict the rights of personal freedom [habeas corpus], freedom of (opinion) expression, including the freedom of the press, the freedom to organize and assemble, the privacy of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communications. Warrants for House searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.”
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Articles of the Weimar Constitution affected -
Article 115.
The dwelling of every German is his sanctuary and is inviolable. Exceptions may be imposed only by authority of law.
Article 153.
Property shall be guaranteed by the constitution. Its nature and limits shall be prescribed by law.
Expropriation [noun, the action by the state or an authority of taking property from its owner for public use or benefit.] shall take place only for the general good and only on the basis of law. It shall be accompanied by payment of just compensation unless otherwise provided by national law. In case of dispute over the amount of compensation recourse to the ordinary courts shall be permitted, unless otherwise provided by national law. Expropriation by the Reich over against the states, municipalities, and associations serving the public welfare may take place only upon the payment of compensation.
Property imposes obligations. Its use by its owner shall at the same time serve the public good.
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By law, individuals couldn't own property. Therefore, they cannot own businesses. The 'privatization' that took place, in fact, is a slight of hand. And there are many instances where the government exercised their power by seizing a person's personal property or businesses. The Nazis nationalized industries that didn't do as they insisted, then 're-privatized' them. But in reality those businesses could only function as part of the state, and were under control by the state, and weren't really owned by their owners.
"The Nazis viewed private property as conditional on its use - not as a fundamental right. If the property was not being used to further Nazi goals, it could be nationalized.” Temin, P576
“Prof. Junkers of the Junkers aeroplane factory refused to follow the government’s bidding in 1934. The Nazis thereupon took over the plant, compensating Junkers for his loss. This was the context in which other contracts were negotiated.” Temin, P576-577
“Manufacturers in Germany were panic-stricken when they heard of the experiences of some industrialists who were more or less expropriated [had their property seized] by the State. These industrialists were visited by State auditors who had strict orders to “examine” the balance sheets and all bookkeeping entries of the company (or individual businessman) for the preceding two, three, or more years until some error or false entry was found. The slightest formal mistake was punished with tremendous penalties. A fine of millions of marks was imposed for a single bookkeeping error. Obviously, the examination of the books was simply a pretext for partial expropriation of the private capitalist with a view to complete expropriation and seizure of the desired property later. The owner of the property was helpless, since under fascism there is no longer an independent judiciary that protects the property rights of private citizens against the state. The authoritarian State has made it a principle that private property is no longer sacred.” - Reimann, Chapter II (no page number, as on Kindle)
Reimann, in 1939, quotes from a German businessman’s letter to an American businessman -
“The difference between this and the Russian system is much less than you think, despite the fact that officially we are still independent businessmen.” “Some businessmen have even started studying Marxist theories, so that they will have a better understanding of the present economic system.” “How can we possibly manage a firm according to business principles if it is impossible to make any predictions as to the prices at which goods are to be bought and sold? We are completely dependent on arbitrary Government decisions concerning quantity, quality and prices for foreign raw materials.” “You cannot imagine how taxation has increased. Yet everyone is afraid to complain about it. The new State loans are nothing but confiscation of private property, because no one believed that the Government will ever make repayment, nor even pay interest after the first few years.” “We businessmen still make sufficient profit, sometimes even large profits, but we never know how much we are going to be able to keep…”
“The decree of February 28, 1933, nullified article 153 of the Weimar Constitution which guaranteed private property and restricted interference with private property in accordance with certain legally defined conditions … The conception of property has experienced a fundamental change. The individualistic conception of the State - a result of the liberal spirit - must give way to the concept that communal welfare precedes individual welfare. (Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz).” - Reimann, quoting from Jahrbuch des Oeffentlichen Rechtes der Gegenward, ed. by Otto Koellreuther (1935), p. 267.
“There exists no law which binds the State. The State can do what it regards as necessary, because it has the authority.” “The next stage of National-Socialist economic policy consists of replacing capitalist laws by policy.” - Fritz Nonnenbruch, the financial editor of the Voelkischer Beobachter (quoted by Reimann).
“The life of the German businessman is full of contradictions. He cordially dislikes the gigantic, top-heavy, bureaucratic State machine which is strangling his economic independence. Yet he needs the aid of these despised bureaucrats more and more, and is forced to run after them, begging for concessions, privileges, grants, in fear that his competitor will gain the advantage.” - Reimann
“Such a system also changes the psychology of businessmen. Their experiences teach them that the old right of property no longer exists. They find themselves compelled to respect the “national interest” or the “welfare of the community.”” “Businessmen must claim that everything they do, any new business for which they want a certificate, any preferment in the supply of raw materials, etc., is “in the interest of the national community.”” - Reimann
Schacht centralized and heavily regulated the electricity production industry, which then sparked a new plan of economic administration. This was all in 1935. [Tooze's Wages of Destruction P111-112]
"...in practice the Reichsbank and the Reich Ministry of Economic Affairs had no intention of allowing the radical activists of the SA, the shopfloor militants of the Nazi party or Gauleiter commissioners to dictate the course of events. Under the slogan of the 'strong state', the ministerial bureaucracy fashioned a new national structure of economic regulation." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112
“We worked and governed with incredible elan. We really ruled. For the bureaucrats of the Ministry the contrast to the Weimar Republic was stark. Party chatter in the Reichstag was no longer heard. The language of the bureaucracy was rid of the paralysing formula: technically right but politically impossible.” - Schacht, speaking of the situation after 1933. Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112-113
"It would be absurd to deny the reality of this shift. The crisis of corporate capitalism in the course of the Great Depression did permanently alter the balance of power. Never again was big business to influence the course of government in German as directly as it did between the outbreak of World War I in 1914 and the onset of the Depression in 1929. The Reich's economic administration, for its part, accumulated unprecedented powers of national economic control." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P113
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One thing to note is that I only have the British perspective. I cannot read Italian, nor are there Italian sources translated into English. Their perspective may shed light on the situation. That said, I think the answer lies in surprise, supplies, and taking out the Italians piecemeal. And the fact that half the Italian units were Blackshirt units (so, not as well trained), plus those that weren't only had two regiments, not three. So when you see an Italian division, it's smaller than a British one, meaning two need to go up against one British division to have a chance of defeating it. Although, I am talking in general and there may have been exceptions. It also sounds as though the infantry didn't have adequate antitank guns, and the Italian artillery (which were well trained and lead) didn't have adequate anti-tank rounds to knock out the Matilda tanks, and were also isolated once the infantry were overwhelmed. But again, only the Italian perspective will confirm this or not.
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@despooked Private control is capitalism. If the government has control, it is no longer private control, and therefore not capitalism.
A state is an organized community - a group. It is non-private. This is why we call the state the "public sector". The word "public" comes from the Latin word "publikum" which means "non-individual, and state".
A group of people - workers (class), Germans (race), women (gender), Italians (national - Fascism) - in charge of this community makes them the state. This is what socialism is - it is public/collective/group/common/state control of the economy, usually in the name of the group.
The state in control of the economy is therefore not-capitalist, and is socialist by its very definition. Central economic planning isn't private control, it is state control therefore it is not capitalism. And since state control of the economy is socialism, central economic planning is therefore socialist.
So, while Japan and South Korea may have economies that are mostly capitalist, they can have socialist policies, like their central planning.
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"On the off-chance that TIK reads this, if you can ever arrive at a figure from all your reading on the Mediterranean war of how many Axis soldiers were killed, wounded, and captured in that theatre in the duration of the war I'd love to hear it."
I don't have a figure yet, but total Axis will probably be a lot, as you have said. Considering we don't even know exactly how many men were in the Africa Korps at any one moment in time, no figure will be entirely accurate.
However, what you have to realise is that, even if it was 900,000 total, that's over two and a half years long. Germany alone reportedly lost a million men in the first six months of the Eastern Front (although less than half of that was KIA or MIA and it seems a portion of the wounded and sick returned). So yes, it may be a lot, but it was also over a much longer period of time. Normandy was only a couple months long, so it would be better to compare Normandy to Tunis rather than the whole of the Western Desert Campaign.
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I'm currently at 250,058 words on my research for my Stalingrad documentary. I have a mountain of WW2 history books in physical form, and a load more on the Kindle. These were just the most relevant. I have a degree in history, as previously stated, and I've made several documentaries online of several WW2 battles which have had a lot of praise from the small community of viewers. To accuse me of not having any source material, or not knowing enough about the subject, is hilarious.
In reality, it is you who's making a fundamental mistake that even 1st year students at university wouldn't make. Instead of providing a counter-argument and invoking a discussion, you're attacking the author of the work on a personnel level. Fairly certain you wouldn't get very far in university starting your essays like that.
Your paragraph starting "You also seem not to grasp how battles work" is quite ironic given the first sentence of that paragraph. Some people would call it "waffle". I'd call it irrelevant. Your final paragraph is so full of errors and punctuation mistakes, I haven't the patience with you to even read it. You do not sound like you have multiple masters degrees. Come back when you've actually got an argument.
Oh and as a side note, Robert Citino has said we're living in the "Glantz era" of WW2 Eastern Front history because he's been that influencial. I'd suggest you start reading up on this "lousy dude" because he's rewriting the history of the Eastern Front to actually reflect the truth - a truth that's neither pro-German, nor pro-Soviet.
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Soviet accounts and statistics are equally as bad as German accounts and statistics. That distrust you have of Soviet sources is the exact the same level of distrust you should have towards German sources. The fact that you don't have that level of distrust is proof in itself that bias has crept in. You should treat EVERY source, no matter the subject, with suspicion. No source is reliable, not even German sources.
Guderian lies through his teeth about Barbarossa. Manstein lies through his teeth about Stalingrad. Raus gets his dates mixed up - a period of 3 days of combat near Stalingrad is made out to have actually taken place in 1 day in Raus's memoirs (13th to 15th of December 1942, but he says all that combat occurs on the 13th) - let alone numerous other holes in his and other accounts. In some of these scenarios, the Soviet accounts are actually more reliable than the German ones, although again they're not 100% trustworthy. This is why it's vitally important to look at every source with equal reservation.
Now, this bias may not be your fault. As I've just said to someone else - Pick up an English-language history book on the Eastern Front of WW2 (there are some exceptions but these are more recent and few) and you will find that they are relying almost entirely on German sources. Go to Amazon and look up WW2, you'll get biography after biography on German generals, and German units, and German operations. Then try find the Soviet biographies, units or operations... There's barely any! There is a massive bias towards the Germans in the history books. Because that is what sells.
If you're still not convinced, fine. But just, for 10 minutes, consider this. What's the point of studying history? Isn't it to get to the truth? If it is, then how do you get to the truth if all you have to work with is lies?
The only way to do it is to gather all the lies and compare them to each other. Somewhere in that sea of lies is the truth.
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No, it's because there's a lot of people who either don't like and therefore don't trust the Russians/Soviets (Cold War propaganda), think the Germans are more trustworthy (Cold War propaganda), have read more German-influenced books and sources (again, thanks to the Cold War), have been influenced by the opinions of the surviving post-war German generals who were racist and lied (led by Halder, but inludes Guderian and Manstein), are racist, or don't want to imagine that the German army in WW2 was anything other than a 'superior' mechanized force.
But the reality is it was neither mechanized nor superior. It achieved strategic surprise in the first days of Barbarossa, and outnumbered her opponent. Once strategic surprised was lost, and once the Soviets had enough numbers (equal or slightly more as shown in the video) they were able to stop the Germans. My video coming out today shows that by the summer campaign of 1942, the Germans were making massive mistakes. And the tactical and operational 'superior' German generals were out of touch with the type of warfare going on on the German-Soviet Front, and were simply not up to the task - as Hitler himself was saying at the time.
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@tristanthamm505 This video was more a response to Liquid Zulu rather than a deep dive into AnCap policies and so on. I wanted to confirm that these Associations were a thing before moving on. I actually agree with you that there is a likelihood of these associations just devolving into using coercion (a monopoly on force) and thus becoming normal states again. The AnCap theory is that multiple associations would exist, all compete against each other, and so if one decided to initiate violence, people would stop supporting it and flock to the other ones, which would then use their own powers to overcome the bad apple. I'm not saying this would work in practice, but that seems to be the theory.
Regardless, I see no downside in trying to implement an AnCap system. The worst thing that will happen is that we'll go back to as we are now, and we'll have impressive growth and prosperity in the meantime. Therefore, even if I accept your argument, the reality is that it's worth a shot. Plus, rather than ending up as we are now, there's also a chance we'll just have a bunch of nightwatchman states like what the Randians want. Thus, I'm happy to take the chance.
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"Which tells you gold is a losing investment. Betting against manipulation will destroy wealth, not create it."
Gold isn't an investment. It's a hedge against inflation. The manipulation is a buying opportunity. The manipulation will end when people abandon the currency, which they'll do if the inflation continues.
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"I had gold investments when it was above $2000 an oz, it has never gotten close to that again. Anyone who hopped onto the gold train at that time lost because the doomsayers are splitting their money with crypto."
So you bought at the peak last year, and it's come down off that peak, and you're complaining? Okay, don't but at a peak then. The trick is to buy low and sell high, not buy high and sell low.
But the good news is that if you hold onto your gold long-term, you'll see that you bought at an okay time. The trick is to SAVE in gold long term as a hedge against inflation. If you want to invest in other speculative assets, that's fine, but you cannot complain about "investing" in gold if you don't understand that it's not an "investment" as such.
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"If you let your ship sink during a rising tide, you'll still be losing, even if you are hedged against a coming disaster."
Gold went lower during the initial stages of the Weimar Hyperinflation, then took off. You'll see this action in this series. Again, the point is that you have to hold LONG-TERM as a HEDGE against inflation. Abandoning ship just because the ship COULD sink is a poor strategy.
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"Better to rise with the tide, then leave."
Exactly, and you didn't do that with gold. You bought at the peak of the wave. In other words, you messed up.
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"Instead of letting politics dictate your investments, invest in the winners, them dump them when they are no longer winners."
But you are letting politics dictate your investments. They've manipulated gold lower, so you're not buying. The commercial banks and the media are all pumping crypto, so you're pro-crypto. Do you not see that you're doing the exact opposite of what you're saying here?
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"Inflation has gone up, gold has stayed down. Gold is not your inflation hedge at this juncture."
Correct, it's a LONG-TERM hedge. You have to hold it for a while. Again, let them manipulate all they want. At some point, they won't be able to keep the price down any longer and it will go up.
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"TIK is pretending it's near an all time high, but gold has continually lost value during this highlighted inflationary period, this at a time when other commodities and investments are skyrocketing upward."
In the short term (this year), yes it has come down slightly off it's ALL TIME HIGH in US dollars. However, measured in 'Pound Sterling', it's actually been going up (if you didn't buy at the peak). Same with Euros. And in many other countries, it's currently at an all time high. It's only in the heavily manipulated market of the world reserve currency that gold has seen a loss since the peak of last year. Give it time, though, and there will be a new all-time high. The key word here is patience.
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"Gold was over $2000 oz. It is not anymore and hasn't approached that value all year. TIK's own chart supports this fact. Golds running at nearly a 10% loss from it's peak and that was before the heightened inflation."
Yes, for YOU it is down. But I bought BEFORE the peak. And I bought AFTER the peak. So, for me, gold is actually up this year (in GBP).
Here's a tip: buy gold when people are selling rather than when people are buying. If you do that, you'll see better results.
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If it's your house, why do you owe the state money for that house? Why are you paying rent (tax) to live in your own house? I thought you owned it, and yet here you are paying someone else to live in your house. It's not really yours, you just think it is.
If you want someone to take your garbage away, you can pay them for that service. If he doesn't do a good job, you can cancel the service and get someone else. But if the garbage man puts a gun to your head and demands you pay him every month upon threat of kidnapping or stealing your house, and doesn't take no for an answer, then you're no longer the customer, but the slave of the garbage man.
If you truly owned your house, you could stop paying the state and get someone else to pick up your trash. The fact you can't do that is evidence that it's not really your house, you're just managing the house on the state's behalf.
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Everyone says we live in capitalism. But if the essence of capitalism is the free market, then we don't live in capitalism, since we don't have a free market.
I'm for the free market, and I'm against capitalism, because capitalism is the current system. The current system is a state-managed economy. Sure, it's not pure socialism, but it's almost there. And I don't see why anyone would advocate for more of the same, when more of the same just results in a stalled engine.
The State managing the economy is Capitalism, apparently. And Socialism is dialect, but means both non-state and state at the same time... but ultimately is a state controlled economy. Capitalism and Socialism are, therefore, two sides of the same coin. They are different, but both put the state in charge of the economy.
Cutting back on government results in a freer market, and thus, less Capitalism or Socialism. A free market is, therefore, the antithesis of both Capitalism and Socialism.
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"That said, communism (not socialism), as shown through many experiences, tends to work only in small coherent communities. It has failed for obvious reasons on larger scale. That said, capitalism is not a perfect system: it can get out of control and become an outright plutocracy, but hopefully the world can fix the oddities here and there."
I pretty much agree with everything you said here, although I would point out that I haven't looked too closely at communism on a small scale (except the Owenites, but not sure if you would class that as communism or socialism). Capitalism isn't perfect, and the 'plutocracy' element is something that needs to be addressed because we don't want governments being bribed by capitalists to bend the rules in their favour, just like we don't want governments bending the rules in their favour. Basically, government is bad news in general, which is why it's probably fair to call it a "necessary evil".
The problem with socialism and communism is that in order to make those things happen (since they don't happen narturally, otherwise we'd all be socialist and communist) you need a community that dominates the other part of the community. Force is built into the philosophy. Whereas with capitalism, it's mutual cooperation. We work together - one supplies the time+skills, while the other supplies the money. Trade is the fundamental element of capitalism, which is why, if people don't want a particular thing, they can just not spend money on it. You can't not spend money on something in socialism because the "community" (state) decides for the individual.
"In practice, socio-democratic countries, which are are not 100% socialists, work fine at the moment. A rather free economy, but with a social democracy."
They work, but they're not great. The working poor in the UK right now are working harder for longer, then having their money taken off them and given to those who do not work (but get houses for free? and don't pay for services like the NHS or dentists?). The elements of the "social"-democracy is the main problem. Yes it works, but only because the non-social-side of the economy is keeping it afloat.
"Because, yes, socialism implies a democracy no matter what detractors will twist it to be."
Socialism doesn't necessarily have to be a democracy. For example, if you have a council of workers who seize a factory, but then they unite to have a Union of Soviet (council) Socialist Republics (the USSR), you don't get a democracy out of that. There is nothing that says it has to be democracy. In fact, I suspect the term "democracy" isn't being used by communists and socialists the same way that Western philosophers use the term, since the very nature of socialism prevents individual people from having a say in how they live their own lives.
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"I'd strongly suggest you buy an ACTUAL economics textbook like Krugman and Wells"
History clearly indicates that Keynesian economics is completely incorrect. It works about as much as Marxism.
"1. Where are the pounds coming from?"
Academic Agent’s “The Origins of Money” https://youtu.be/fWDn1-dyXDg (watch first) and “Understanding Inflation” https://youtu.be/nnisOz2nGFc
"2. Why are capital improvements the only factor in productivity? Wage satisfaction on the part of the worker, in this case analogous to the morale of a military unit, are a critical component in how productive the worker is."
A worker can work twice as hard and produce two pins. Great. Technological innovation can create conditions where 4,800 pins are created. Are you suggesting that a worker would work 4,800 times as hard if he was paid more?
"3. Seriously, the evil capitalist has no consumption needs and is a magic conduit through which capital improvements can be imported into the closed economy in exchange for cash?"
Of course he consumes, but it's not relevant to this particular scenario. Realistically, as I said further into the video (which you clearly didn't watch all the way through) if you win the lottery you'll go and buy luxury items. You won't go to the local supermarket and but all the food. Why? Because that would be a pointless act. The capitalist is not depriving the workers. All he's doing is buying very scarce items with his money, which the workers wouldn't have access to anyway because they are scarce.
"Advancing the video another 3 minutes, I see smilee with sunglasses can become an additional capitalist who can also summon capital improvements through the impermeable barrier of the hypothetical scenario. So it isn't THAT arbitrarily foolish."
Incorrect. Entrepreneurs are a thing. Valuetainment’s “How to Start a Business for under $500” https://youtu.be/rKAAzZFLPEs
"Of course, the other glaring problem with your sunglasses starting a clothes factory scenario, which is even more true if you are using gold coins, is that you've just caused 50% deflation."
No he didn't. The workers didn't receive any money while they're unemployed, and only received wages once the clothes factory was back online. No inflation occurs in this scenario. It only occurs if the government prints money to give to the workers who are unemployed.
"It's unlikely that sunglasses' new industry is going to be that productive that quickly, so the evil capitalist will just hold onto his pounds, thanks."
No, that was to make it simple. Supply and demand still occurs. In this scenario, let's say they made one article of clothing each. Then in that case, the article of clothing would be worth £10. If they made 10, it would be worth £1 each. If they made 100, it would be worth £0.10 each. Productivity floods the market, reduces scarcity, bringing down the price of the items. This was the basic premise of the video and a fundamental economics principle, which (despite reading Keynesian economics books) you've still failed to grasp.
"4. Why doesn't the altrusitic doppelganger of the evil capitalist just borrow the surplus cash from the workers?"
Because they may not want to give their money to him. Or, if you're suggesting that they shouldn't get paid, then they have no incentive to work.
"This is where your scenario disintegrates."
No, you've missed the entire point. The purpose of the video was to show you that money is irrelevant to living standards. If we all had £1,000,000 but nothing to buy, they that money is worthless. Money is valuable because, like I showed in the video, it allows you to trade for other commodities. If you wanted to buy bread off me, I'd give you the bread, and you'd give me the money. In effect, you're buying bread with money, and I'm buying money with bread. If you increase the money supply, all you do is cause inflation. The price of goods goes up to match the inflation rate, as described in the video.
Your next paragraph just complicates the situation, isn't relevant and doesn't undermine what I'm saying. The point of the video is to point out that money isn't what causing living standards to rise, and production is. You're trying to criticize the scenario I designed rather than the premise, which is that production is the most important factor, not money. It appears that you've failed to grasp this even now. Stop reading Keynesian economists and start reading books that are based on principles that actually work - and for you personally I recommend Hazlitt's "Economics in One Lesson".
"The entire argument that capitalists MUST be allowed to eat all the pie for the economy to progress is predicated on the assumption that free financial markets don't work."
I never made that argument at all.
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"If your point is that printing money creates inflation, you are right,"
That was part of what I was getting at, but you've somehow missed the main point - that inflation (more money) doesn't increase living standards for everybody.
"but the only entity that can print money is a central bank."
In a modern economy, yes. But this doesn't have to be the case, because as history shows us, money doesn't have to be paper or electronic (which is clearly what you think money is). Precious metals can be used for money, as can shells, gems, or (unhistorically) bottle caps... Almost anything that can be easily divisible that doesn't perish can be used as money, as explained in this other video https://youtu.be/fWDn1-dyXDg (the Origins of Money)
"Transferring the existing money does not increase the money supply."
If the workers get double their money as a result of a "fair wage", that increases their money supply by double. But the point I was making (which you seemed to have completely missed) is that this doesn't increase their living standards, as living standards aren't defined by how much money there is. We can be swimming in paper notes, but starving because we don't have any food - as is the case in Venezeula at the moment. Increasing the money supply cannot increase the amount of goods; only increasing production can. That was my central point.
"This is why I asked whether you really understand what money is."
No, you asked that because you wanted to try and discredit me in the eyes of others. It's actually a typical socialist tactic, and I'm used to it. Are you a socialist?
Today, money is a non-consumable product (not always in the past) that has no value by itself (in the past it did e.g. gold), but is used as a go-between to exchange goods (which I actually covered this in the video you didn't watch). However, much like any other good, the quantity of money (e.g. printed) available determines the 'value' of the individual notes of money - but doesn't affect the value of other goods (doubling the amount of money in the economy just halves the value of the money in relation to other goods). The video link I gave before (the Origins of Money) explains this very well too.
"@TIK Could you please point out an unreasonable assumption or a wild claim I made?"
The wild claims you made started right from the beginning. You said that you were "a fan of your history videos" but that this channel "makes me doubt the validity of the rest of your channel."
Ok, why is that? If the rest of my videos have nothing to do with economics (supposedly) then why would that undermine the validity of them? You've failed to grasp the concepts put forth in an economics video, which you are supposedly well-versed within, and yet this somehow translates to you not trusting any of my military videos. The logic in this sentence of yours just isn't there. Also, why are you echoing all the other socialists in the comment section with this statement? They're saying the exact same thing. Are you a socialist?
Also, you're such a big fan that you've never once commented on my channel before now. But you've come out of the woodwork to criticise a video that takes on socialism. Very very coincidental, don't you think? Are you a socialist?
And the fact that you watched this video and failed to understand anything that was said within it, and then assumed I was wrong, says a lot about your character. In fact, I'm now certain that you haven't "been teaching economics for 11 years" at all, not just because your understanding of economics is pitifully poor, but actually because your attitude has been awful from the start. Even if I was wrong, no teacher worth his salt (also used as money in the past btw) would actively try and discourage or discredit someone for the attempt. A good professional teacher would politely explain where someone went wrong and offer improvements. But instead, you "cringe" and go on to accuse me of things like not knowing what money is (the irony). You have no concept of "teaching" because you didn't set out to teach; you set out to discredit. What a great teacher you are! (no sarcasm at all)
The best part is what you said in your second message - "I did not understand the "production" part of the story at all, so I am reluctant to discuss it". Yes you didn't understand it because you're not a very good economics teacher. In fact, judging by the way you've presented economics so far, you've clearly been drinking too much Marx-juice. Got news for you Rahmi, Marx wasn't an economist - he was little more than a social revolutionary who didn't hold a job and bummed money off Engels his entire life. He didn't have a clue how economics worked. That's why his entire theory fails at the first hurdle - the Labour Theory of Value (lol).
"You are trying to explain many complicated phenomena (inflation, labor productivity, innovation etc.) and their interaction in one extremely simple model where in reality economists have difficulty trying to understand any one of those using several well formulated models."
Yes, because these concepts are incredibly hard to grasp (sarcasm). Surprisingly, I don't have difficulty in understanding them, which is why I designed a simple scenario explaining this concept to people. Incidentally, a lot of the non-Marxist people here and even other YouTubers have managed to grasp what I said, but the socialists and the amazing "economist" who's been teaching for 11 years has not. And the Marxists have deliberately closed their ears and gone "no, you're wrong" without actually having offering any valuable counter-arguments - only attempting to discredit, because really their agenda is to prevent the spread of criticism against socialism. This is because their belief in their ideology clouds their judgement - socialism has become a synonymous with the phrase "rejecting fact", as I've explained in other videos (which haven't been downvoted because socialists conveniently only watch the obvious "anti-socialist" videos of mine). The fact that you have closed your ears to this video as well is making me question your allegiance. Are you a socialist?
No seriously, are you a socialist? If you are, that would explain a lot. If you are, please tell me where you teach economics so I can tell people to avoid going there. The last thing we want is state-sponsored socialism. And this is assuming you are actually a teacher. If you are, this emphasizes my point about state-inefficiencies exactly, plus I genuinely feel sorry for your students.
Also, a book I would recommend to you personally - "Economics in One Lesson" by Henry Hazlitt. If you couldn't grasp the concepts in this video, you seriously need to go back to basics.
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I understand your points, but I'm not sure you understand mine. If someone has £10 and spends it on what they want (e.g. cars) then they will create jobs in the car industry. If the government takes half that money off them, and spends it buying something they don't want or use (e.g. trains), plus the cost of taking the money in the first place (government and taxpayers and bureaucrats) how does that increase their living standards?
The cost of paying the government to do that is more than the return. Worse, it's not what the taxpayer wants in the first place. If they wanted it, they'd spend it on those things. For example, my internet provider is Virgin Media, who are independent. They installed their line to my home and I paid for that because they offer the best service in the UK. But I still pay my taxes, part of which goes to Virgin Media's competition - British Telecom (BT). BT cannot provide the same level of internet speeds as Virgin, and yet I'm forced to subsidize a failing company. This is promoting inefficiency, and is a waste of money because I've effectively paid twice for the same service.
Similar examples exist throughout the economy. Train usage is declining in the UK, but the government subsidies them through taxpayers money. I don't use the trains, but I'm paying for them. I don't watch the BBC but I'm subsidizing them (technically they are my competitors, being a TV company). I've paid "national insurance" (tax) for over 12 years, but have only used the NHS 2-3 times in that time. It's horrendously expensive and inefficient. Worse, if I was to go to a private surgery, I'd have to pay again - rather than just paying once for the service. This forces me to only use the NHS, limiting my choice as a consumer.
Ultimately it's much more efficient for people to pay for what they need or want, not what they don't need or want. If there is competition in an economy, and someone can provide the same service for cheaper, then I will use that service. But government monopolies prevent that from happening, and are a huge expense for workers like me.
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@donaldgrant9067 Does everyone become unemployed at the same time in your economy? In reality, unemployment doesn't and cannot hit 100%. Those who lose their jobs (let's say 20%) are in trouble for 6-8 months, while the remaining 80% have an increase in earnings. This, of course, only happens in a free economy. Once you throw socialism into the mix (high regulations, high tax, high inflation they're hiding etc etc etc) then the recession is not allowed to do its job, and thus you get a slow growth economy, which is what we're seeing right now (since 2008).
You need to look beyond the first step, and look to the next. Yes, when someone is immediately made unemployed, this is bad. But this frees up part of the economy to create more jobs, and thus the unemployed person finds another job (again, if the market is actually allowed to do its job).
You're saying to me about robots taking our jobs, but I'm actually in a new job, and I'm looking to employ a non-robot soon. New jobs are being created, just not in the old industries. They're being created in newer industries, and industries that haven't been born yet, but will be due to technological increases. Even if robots did take all our jobs, are we just to sit there and rot? No. We will find new things to do that robots can't do - such as entertainment, social, and creative works, if not service and investment etc.
The only reason robots are taking our jobs is because the minimum wage just keeps rising artificially higher and higher for zero reason. The UK government has just raised it by 38 pence per hour, which is an absolutely insane amount, especially when there are so many unemployed people looking for work. I would have happily hired someone. But this has forced me to rethink my own hiring, since I cannot afford to pay that amount with the old target I had on Patreon.
I would suggest you listen to Hazlitt's Economics in One Lesson: https://youtu.be/8_u2a4uQFNI
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Economics isn't a zero sum game. The employment of robots reduces the price of produce, which means the consumer saves money on that product, giving them extra money that they can spend elsewhere. That extra money then leads to higher demand in other areas, which then leads to more jobs. Of course, in Marxist economics, the workers can't create their own non-robot businesses or seek employment in new businesses, so of course they starve to death. But in the real world, the economy expands.
And, due to Keynesian economics (a deeply flawed system), the bankers are actually giving money out left right and centre, which is why we have a massive credit bubble which will burst one day and cause a massive global financial crisis. So that part of your criticism is also untrue - in fact the opposite of what's actually happening. Credit is too easily available. That's actually the problem with our economy, and it's precisely because of Keynesian economics and the fact we (the entire world) no longer have a capitalist economic system, and haven't had one since the ~1920's.
It's true that the global economy will collapse, but the cause is socialist economics, not capitalism - which is actually the only way to get out of the crisis.
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"Everybody can communicate with each other."
So it's not about communication or nationality then?
"But one part earns just enough to pay for rent. Other two and half times more."
If it's not communication, then it must be something else that you're not telling me - or you don't understand or haven't factored in. As a former employer, the only reason I'd pay an employee less for the same job is if they're not as skilled, didn't work as many hours, or didn't produce as much as someone else. The other possibility is if they'd been working at the place for a while, as it might be beneficial for me to pay them higher to keep them on board, rather than have to train someone else. That is it, unless there's an artifical wage increase being imposed on me by a third party.
"Because otherwise others wouldn't work and others are okay with the pay."
So they're happy to work? If they want to work there, leave them be. If they were being exploited, didn't like it, and could get better jobs elsewhere, they'd leave. It sounds like they have no alternative.
"Because they come for poor countries and the market is smaller and less profitable."
Ah, so it is an artifical wage increase being imposed on them by a third party. Do the people from your country have a minimum wage? Do these foreign workers not get paid minimum wage?
"You cannot justify it by any means."
Let's say there's 10 foreign workers in this business of yours, and they were on $5, while the rest of the native workforce got $10. You come along and double the wages of the foreign workers to $10. Then 5 foreign workers would be let off (unemployed) as a result of the artificial extra cost. This would then decrease the amount of goods being produced, increasing the cost of the goods for the consumer, meaning less sales, less chance of competition in the market, meaning further job cuts, or pay decreases. It's a spiral of death for the company, leads to more unemployment, and it hurts the consumer, decreasing living standards overall and shrinking the economy. This is exactly what happened in the USA when minimum wage went to $15 https://youtu.be/0fsVI3EmUnQ
Also, in this current system the foreign workers are now earning experience in your economy, meaning they can go to other employers and show them their previous work experience. By depriving them on jobs, you're depriving them of a chance for decent living.
So, if this is the case (I don't know, I'm only guessing based on your limited descriptions), you're best leaving them be. Intervention will probably hurt more than help everyone in that situation, especially if you deprive them of jobs, because in their country they may be even worse off (e.g. $2 not $5). I would also recommend Thomas Sowell's “Economic Facts and Fallacies" which actually talks about similar situations where intervention was bad.
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Marx has been predicting the end of capitalism since the 1860's. Even Berstein (who buried Engels at sea, and who wrote the fourth volume of Das Kapital) realised that workers under capitalism were seeing their living standards rise, not fall (as Marx predicted, which was why he 'knew' the revolution would come). So it doesn't matter what Marx said because he's wrong. And this is the same Marx who, in his first volume, confirms the now disregarded Labour Theory of Value, which is absolutely wrong, as I explained in the pinned comment.
And the BBC is government funded, through taxation (sorry, they call it 'Licencing'). So yes, that is a socialist propaganda source. Secondly the Guardian is a Left-wing newspaper. So no, it's not "surprising", it's empirical evidence.
"not surprising from the man who thinks th e Weimar and the USSR were juat two socialist countries slugging it out."
What are you on about? The Weimar Republic was before Nazi Germany. National Socialist Germany was racial-socialist, while the USSR was class-socialist. They're both "totalitarian" regimes, because total state control of the economy is socialism. There's little difference between the two. Even Stalin persecuted Volga Germans and murdered millions of Ukrainians, amongst others, let alone what he did in the Baltic States, Poland and Prussia. To say that they can't be socialist is just silly.
Hitler's racism is his socialism. The two are linked. To say he's not socialist is to say he's not racist. This is why I always point this out to Holocaust deniers, because when I say "so you're saying Hitler wasn't a racist or a socialist then?" they soon backtrack and lose the argument. Socialism is actually so fundamental to Hitler's ideology that you can't even explain why he wanted to go to war without it.
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@DemocraticSocialist01 - YouTube seems to have deleted my reply... Let me try again.
You're trying to deflect from the fact that you are the anti-Semite Marxist who believes -
“The capitalist knows that all commodities, however scurvy they may look, or however badly they may smell, are in faith and in truth money, inwardly circumcised Jews, and what is more, a wonderful means whereby out of money to make more money.” - Marx, Das Kapital, P107.
You believe, as Karl Marx states, that the offspring of the Capitalists are "inwardly circumcised Jews". You believe that the Jews/Capitalists are stealing money off other people, which is classic anti-Semitism. You believe that the Jews/Capitalists should be removed from society -
“As soon as society succeeds in abolishing the empirical essence of Judaism - huckstering and its conditions - the Jew becomes impossible, because his consciousness no longer has an object… The social emancipation of the Jew is the emancipation of society from Judaism.” - Marx, On the Jewish Question.
Socialism calls for the removal of the bourgeoisie/Jews from society. You believe in Socialism - then you believe in anti-Semitism.
So YOU are the anti-Semite here, not me. Look in the mirror before you accuse others of being anti-Semitic.
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Not one of those accusations is true. I'm not even sure who "soros" is? The Jews didn't own all the factories of Wiemar Germany, but the Nazis believed they did. And the problem with Eric Hobsbawm is his awful history and writing style, not his "race" ("race" doesn't exist https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2018/04/race-genetics-science-africa/ ) or religion (his faith in Marxism, itself anti-Semitic).
Jeff Bezos is not a "hero" for Capitalism either, since he's not even a Capitalist anymore (he owns a corporation, which is a 'corporate' group, not a private entity). My point was that he managed to build his business up from scratch, so if he could do it, anyone can. Plus, it would be wrong to steal his business off him, as you and your fellow Social-elitists believe.
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@Aiden B. I've just read through most of this rubbish, and once again, nothing of any note is being said. No evidence is presented for any accusations made, and no evidence in favour of your own defense is being made either. All you're doing is jabbering on and on, and not actually saying anything that makes logical sense. So to save time with you (which will allow me to reply to worthwhile viewers), I'm just going to focus on the one thing that undermines everything else you've ever said -
"You made multiple videos, yes, but I guess I missed the "in-depth argument" part. When you start counting Sargon as a quote, well I don't know what much to tell you."
The first part of this is an open admission that you've not watched any of my videos, especially this one, which is very in-depth. But the second sentence is the best: it's proof that you definitely haven't watched any of my videos. Apparently, according to you, I quoted Sargon. Could you point to where I supposedly quoted Sargon? Could you give me a timestamp? What exactly did I quote Sargon as saying?
Oh wait, no you can't, because I didn't quote from Sargon. I've never quoted from Sargon, and you would know that if you'd bothered to watch the video.
Now, I know what you'll say - but I referenced him. And yes, I referenced a live-stream of his. However, I didn't quote from Sargon. What I did was I mentioned that the three Socialists (two of which have YouTube channels) on the live-stream that Sargon was hosting couldn't agree what Socialism was, and each had differing views on it (showing that Socialists have no idea what Socialism actually is). But I never once quoted from Sargon. And again, you would know this if you bothered to watch the video.
If you can't even get this right, there's no hope.
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In that fictional scenario, it would be very silly of your law firm to lie like that because opinion in the community would quickly side against such a dishonest law firm. If I and my own law firm expose just how corrupt and dishonest your law firm was, warning other customers and users to stop using your law firm, customers would leave, since their reputations would be on the line too. The law firm would soon lose profit and go out of business, just like how a bad restaurant goes out of business because of word of mouth or online reviews. Negative reviews impact the profitability of a business and boycotts are very powerful.
Therefore, the incentive of your law firm would be to not lie. If you came to them and said that you did give me the goods, they would want you to provide evidence that you did provide me the goods. Inventory checks, manifests, witnesses... You obviously wouldn't be able to provide all that because you're lying. The law firm would then say that you should hand over the goods.
But besides that, your reputation is also on the line. If you lie and say you gave me the goods when you didn't, I'd post online reviews and tell people about your dishonest nature. People would stop shopping at your shop, profits would fall, and you would be struggling or out of business entirely. It is, therefore, in your best interest to maintain your end of the deal, lest you want to be out on the street.
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"Huh, either tick or YouTube is censoring."
Why are you spamming multiple comments? Just restrict it to one, and only use multiple if you meet the word-limit for each post. I'm not censoring you, so YouTube must be, and it's probably because you got triggered and started spamming multiple comments. So don't be a spammer and respond with some dignity.
"Ignoring the fact that under your OWN DEFINITIONS a criminal gang would be a state"
No, my definition does not say that a criminal gang would be a state. Again, you haven't listened to what I actually said.
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"your model for your libertarian paradise is a market where you never know whether you get what you're paid for, if you get ut at all"
If you pay for something and don't get anything back in return, you'd go to the private law firms and seek compensation. For some reason, you have in your head that without a State there would be no private police or law firms. Again, you've done zero research on the topic.
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"and where at any point you can be robbed and or murdered,and where eventually people are enslaved by whoever has the most capacity for violence? Brilliant."
Yes because robbing, murder and slavery definitely doesn't happen right now in our beloved socialist paradise. Oh wait. What do you think taxes are? Robbery and slavery. That's why the British State had to redefine the definition of the word "dishonest" in the Theft Act of 1968 to say that if the State robs you it's not dishonest and therefore cannot be classed as theft. Here's the quotes:
"A person is guilty of theft if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it..."
And here's the definition of dishonesty they redefined:
"A person’s appropriation of property belonging to another is not to be regarded as dishonest... if he appropriates the property in the belief that he has in law the right to deprive the other of it, on behalf of himself or of a third person;"
Source https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/60
So yes, if the State steals your possessions, that's fine because the law (which they wrote) says they can, and that's definitely not "dishonest" because they've redefined the word to mean that if the State does dishonest things its not dishonest.
And in the Modern Slavery Act of 2015 the meaning of exploitation is defined as multiple things, including if: "The person is subjected to force, threats or deception designed to induce him or her—
(a)to provide services of any kind,
(b)to provide another person with benefits of any kind, or
(c)to enable another person to acquire benefits of any kind."
Well, that's precisely what the State does. We're forced by threat and deception to provide taxes/inflation (a service/benefit) to the State, which enables them "to acquire benefits of any kind". source https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2015/30/section/3/enacted
So yes, the State currently robs and enslaves you, yet your eyes are closed to all this. You project your insecurities about your own socialist utopia onto a caricature of the free market, which in reality isn't what the free market would look like. But because you've done no research on the topic, you're jumping to false conclusions, which is very intellectually dishonest of you.
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"Hitlers Germany certainly was Capitalist, as the majority of the means of production remained under private ownership."
I see. Members of the Nazi Party (the State) ran most of the means of production, and oppressed those not directly under their control, and that's "capitalism" now is it? Excuse me while I laugh.
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"Oh, and Hitler may or may not have been a Capitalist, but it was Capitalists who put him in power and a capitalist economy under his regime."
Well, I disagree, but yeah that's fine. I actually made this distinction in the video you didn't bother to watch. I said: Hitler is a Socialist even if the Third Reich wasn't. Now, I think the Third Reich was Socialist for all the reasons given, but regardless, Hitler was a Socialist. Just because he failed to implement "full" socialism doesn't mean he was a capitalist, it just makes him a failed socialist like all the others - Mao, Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot etc.
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Socialism is total state control of the means of production. Capitalism is private control of the means of production (private property, meaning anti-state). A free market is capitalism.
Taxation isn't a free market. Therefore, we've never officially had capitalism. We've had black markets though, which are free markets.
Taxation is a state market. Therefore, we've always had state control. Now, we've not always had socialism because socialism is total state control (totalitarianism), which only started happening in the 1900s, but we've always had statism in one form or another.
The first time in history when nations began to reduce the power of the state was in the late 1700s and 1800s, and look at the massive progress that occurred. Through most of human history people were on the brink of starvation. But by nudging the economy towards capitalism, billions of people were brought out of poverty, and the population skyrocketed. https://populationmatters.org/sites/default/files/styles/full_width_image/public/Historical%20human%20population%20growth%20-%20no%20logo_3.png?itok=Hjwf0HYI
If a partial capitalism resulted in that, imagine what full capitalism could do. Yet, there is a significant effort by a bunch of political ideologues to return the world back to the period before capitalism even occurred. That's why every time socialism is implemented the system collapses and everyone starves. Yet, because they call themselves the "progressives", people assume they want progress. Nope, they want regression. A two-tier society of the haves, and the have-nots.
Taxation and inflation are statist policies, which under capitalism would not exist. Socialists want more state control (moving us towards total state control), therefore taxation and inflation are socialist policies.
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You ignoring the nationalized industries, the nationalized businesses, the nationalized trade unions, the centralised planning, wage controls, price controls, welfare benefits, redistribution of wealth, the abolishment of private property, the regulations, the giant bureaucracy, the state central banking (also called for by Marx in the Communist Manifesto) and the fact that I exposed multiple other lies that have been spun by the Left to explain away why Hitler wasn't a Socialist (e.g. Röhm wasn't killed because he was a Socialist)? Timestamps are in the description.
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"I’m fine with worker coops as a means of socialism, doesn’t make them a state."
Yes it does. For your cooperative to be classed as socialism there could not be any private property, correct? So if the workers are in cooperative they must live there too, since otherwise they would live on private property and thus it would be capitalism. Therefore, the collective would have to live and work in the cooperative, which would mean that this is a "public" - in this case, a small tribal state.
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"Also you said yourself that Marx was just outright lying when he described an anarchist future society, so what else could he be lying about?"
A lot of things. For example, he's being very cryptic when it comes to the word "bourgeoisie" https://youtu.be/rZh01xRO_Qg
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"I genuinely do not care what Marx thought, he’s not god."
Then it doesn't matter what Marx said. But regardless, lots of socialists define socialism as the State ownership of the means of production.
‘Democratic socialism’ as defined by Bernie Sanders was “anti-individualism” - implying a ‘collective’ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQs_lmpQh6Q
“When a population collectively owns and controls the means of production, and distributes the end result proportionally. In practice however, control is usually delegated to the state...” by NowThisWorld https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBYmeLBWjeI
“Socialism can be defined as "a system of social organization in which private property and the distribution of income are subject to social control." In other words, it's a state-controlled economy in which the state controls the means of production: factories, offices, resources, and firms. There are also forms of socialism in which the means of production are controlled and owned by workers.” https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/whats-difference-between-socialism-democratic-socialism-new-york-democratic-primary-a8425416.html
Google’s definition of socialism - “a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.”
“any economic or political system based on government ownership and control of important businesses and methods of production” “an economic, political, and social system that is based on the belief that all people are equal and should share equally in a country's money:” https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/socialism
“1. any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods” “2. a system of society or group living in which there is no private property” “b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state” “: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done” https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism
Three socialists define socialism at 1h 35m into this debate here https://youtu.be/z6gB3gA9UZg
The first socialist is Xexizy (who admits there’s all different definitions of socialism) defines socialism as 1. the abolition of production for exchange, 2. worker ownership of the means of production (democratically and collectively), 3. worker control of the state’s apparatus (media, police force). Worker’s state essentially. He lists the Paris Commune, Catalonia, German and Hungarian communes (1918-1919) as socialism. He says that the Soviet Union wasn’t socialist, but says it was a socialist-revolution.
The second socialist is Badmouse who doesn’t actually define it, but doesn’t disagree with the others, and later on in his closing statement (3h 47m) does say workers control of the means of production. He says Venezuela wasn’t socialist. At around 3hs in, he does define capitalism as the private ownership of the means of production.
The third socialist is Finnish Bolshevik defines socialism as (and he says the classic Marxist definition is) the collective ownership of the means of production. He lists the Soviet Union, China, Eastern European Countries, Cuba as all socialist countries (contradicting Xexizy).
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So yes, a "collective" which is an organized political community on a given piece of territory (the literal definition of a state according to the Oxford dictionary) is how a lot of these socialists define socialism. Well, what do we call the community that enforces collective ownership? A State.
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"Except no, Mussolini, although starting out as a socialist, eventually denounced socialism and adopted an imperialist position"
Imperialism is Socialism. And Mussolini never denounced socialism. In fact, Farrell says this about Mussolini in 1945 -
“For Mussolini, Fascism remained an anti-bourgeois revolution whose aim was to eradicate the bourgeoisie. ‘If, when I was a Socialist, I had not had a purely theoretical knowledge of the Italian bourgeoisie dictated by the reading of Karl Marx, but a genuine physical notion such as I have now, I would have launched a revolution so pitiless that, by comparison, that of Comrade Lenin would have been an innocent joke,’ he told Ciano.” - Farrell, N. "Mussolini: A New Life." Endeavour Press Ltd, Kinde 2015, Chapter 14.
Edit: To clarify the above quote - Mussolini is saying he 'was' a Socialist (because he is now a Fascist). However, while Fascism remained Socialist in character, it was a step down from Marxist-Socialism economically (due to the complete failure of the Bolshevik Revolution's economic policies). Therefore, Fascism allowed a small amount of economic freedom (think NEP) so as not to collapse the entire economy. BUT that doesn't mean it was 'capitalism', or wasn't a version of Socialism, which is why Mussolini was still anti-Bourgeois.
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"while Hitler promised the capitalist elite that they will not be robbed,"
Except he did rob them. See Professor Junkers, as just one example of many.
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"and instead strove to achieve social prosperity through conquest."
Exactly. This is Socialism in a nutshell - since Socialists believe that the markets are shrinking and that the only way to create wealth is to steal it from others. This is exactly what Rosa Luxembourg wrote in her Accumulation of Capital.
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"The idea of extending the benefits of one's rule onto the less fortunate, as well as the idea of dictatorial rule itself, although shared between Mussolini, Hitler and Stalin with their respective ideologies, are NOT socialism. The welfare aspect is an aspect of identitarianism and is not unique to the 19th/20th century (think for example the Roman empire with its benefits towards Roman citizens over other people groups), while the dictatorial aspect is plainly and simply authoritarianism."
So you're saying that Lenin's "dictatorship of the proletariat" is not Socialism?
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"That said, I might still look through this 5 hour long video regardless (but not through any other one) and see just where does your argument fall apart. Me guesses somewhere within the first 10 minutes, but still, I am willing to give this a second chance, since you did put a lot of effort into it."
Thank you, I'm glad you're giving this another chance. If you're still unsure about "my" definitions, I would encourage you to watch the Public vs Private video first. My biggest regret was not putting that video into this one, since the ONLY counter-argument I've had to this video that's not addressed specifically in this video is that I don't know what Socialism is... even though the Public vs Private video confirms the historical definitions of Socialism and Capitalism, and does so backed by a ton of evidence.
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No but I can sum it up for you here. Hitler was a Socialist. He nationalised the industries, even though Marxists claim he privatised them. He nationalised the trade unions, but Marxists claim he "crushed" them. Corporations are not individuals (private), they're collectives, and thus socialism. Most of the leaders in industry were also members of the Nazi Party, and thus the industries were owned or controlled by the state. There were wage controls, price controls, kommissars, tax incentives, departments that allocated resources, collectivisation attempts, an imploding economy and the poor were helped as much as possible.
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The Revolution is the elimination of the bourgeoisie. Are you denying that Marx wanted a revolution?
To quote user "Nicolas Caous", who says "I'm a communist, not someone who just says they are a commie, I'm actually a member of a communist party and I work in said party political activities (analysis of current political context, the proposal of actions, recruiting, etc...)."
He said: "As you said, we are not stupid. We think that a lot of wrong courses of action were enacted in the soviet union and China and Korea. However, we don't shed tears for the spilled blood of Kulaks, Aristocrats, Big Land Owners, Factory Owners, Big Monopoly Shareholders, and the like... We don't hide in the fact that we want to physically exterminate these groups of people. That is revolution. I personally think that, if a factory owner voluntarily relinquishes his private property and becomes a worker like everyone else, he can be pardoned. At the same time, I would not hesitate to be the executioner of those who refuse to do so during the revolution. We are "die-hard communists" after all."
He said this in response to my other video here https://youtu.be/MNTpimOe7eY and I have the screenshots before you attempt to declare that it's fake.
And if you believe a fellow Communist Party member is wrong, then answer me this: what happens during the Revolution to the bourgeoisie trying to hold onto the property they've worked hard and earned?
Unless, of course, you're advocating a "peaceful" revolution like Hitler did...
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@owningdishonestshills7435 As I said in the video itself, I'm using the historical definitions as I've explained in detail in my Public vs Private video https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y Again the weight of evidence provided therein, your "Wikipedia definition" of Socialism doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
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"The Nazi's did a massive round of privatization as well."
That's a myth, as I explained in this video. They socialized the industries and the trade unions.
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"The Nazi's were not egalitarian."
They were as egalitarian as the Marxists. The Marxists also wanted to murder the Judeo-bourgeoisie https://youtu.be/rZh01xRO_Qg
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"TIK's definition of capitalism being none state is just wrong. Capitalism is a economic system that can only exist with state regulations."
See my Public vs Private video. But again, if you're using the incorrect Marxist definition of Capitalism, then you're incorrect about Capitalism being an economic system. Karl Marx says that "Money is the jealous god of Israel" in 'On the Jewish Question'. He then says in Das Kapital vol 1 that money that's used to buy and sell commodities becomes capital (page 104), and that a person who possesses money ("the possessor of money becomes a capitalist" page 107) or accumulates it ("it is only in so far as the appropriation of ever more and more wealth in the abstract becomes the sole motive of his operations, that he functions as a capitalist" page 107). He then says "Capital is money: Capital is commodities", and then "The capitalist knows that all commodities, however scurvy they may look, or however badly they may smell, are in faith and in truth money, inwardly circumcised Jews, and what is more, a wonderful means whereby out of money to make more money." - Karl Marx, Das Kapital, page 107.
Thus, Karl Marx's definition of "Capitalism" is: Judaism. That's why he wanted so 'socialize' man - it was a way to "emancipate society from Judaism" (Karl Marx, 'On the Jewish Question'.)
The historic definition (and conception) of capitalism is somewhat different to the oxymoronic idea that it can only exist with state regulations. Please watch the Public vs Private video to learn what Capitalism really is. That link again https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
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Great to hear you got through the video and found it useful! I don't expect you to agree with me on everything, so I'm happy to hear you're thinking critically about some of my points :)
Regarding the "free market utopia", I'm not actually an ancap. Even if we had a totally private economy, I know a public hierarchy will arise from that. Rather, I think the economy should be totally voluntary. No individual should be forced to do something for someone else. It should be 100% cooperation, not force. Currently the State forces us to pay tribute (tax) either directly or indirectly, and we don't get a choice about this. Since all government spending is consumption of resources that could be better used elsewhere (as Rothbard makes clear), then having voluntary taxation would force the State to provide a good service or go out of business. It would keep it small, granting maximum freedom to every individual, much like the United States before the Civil War when there were no income taxes at all https://mises.org/library/origin-income-tax
Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but I think it is possible to build a society through cooperation rather than force. Cheers!
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No, he was a Capitalist in the same way he was a Christian. Whatever works for Marxist Socialist propaganda. Since Karl Marx hated the Jews too -
“We discern in Judaism… a universal antisocial element of the present time.” - Marx, On the Jewish Question.
“What is the worldly cult of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly god? Money… Money is the jealous god of Israel, beside which no other god may exist.” - Marx,On the Jewish Question.
“Christ drove the Jewish money-changers out of the temple, and that the money-changers of our age enlisted on the side of tyranny happen again to be Jews is perhaps no more than a historic coincidence.” - Marx, On the Jewish Question.
Karl Marx is saying here that the people who trade goods for money (in other words, capitalists) are Jewish, and are on the side of “tyranny”. Yes, the reason he hates capitalists is because he thinks they’re Jewish, and the reason he hates Jews is because he thinks they are capitalists. And he says this again in his last book, Das Kapital:
“The capitalist knows that all commodities, however scurvy they may look, or however badly they may smell, are in faith and in truth money, inwardly circumcised Jews, and what is more, a wonderful means whereby out of money to make more money.” - Marx, Das Kapital, P107.
Karl Marx has said that the products of the Capitalist are "inwardly circumcised Jews". In other words, the offsprings of the Capitalists are "inwardly circumcised Jews", because they Capitalists are Jewish.
But why did Marx believe that? Well, Marx believed that Capitalists were the bourgeoisie (boroughs, townfolk) who practiced Usury (lending of loans and charging interest). Since Usury was banned by the Pope in the Dark Ages, and since Jews were not allowed to own land in Christian Europe, they were forced to live in towns and became "money changers". So, for Karl Marx, the bourgeoisie were the Jews. This was why the offspring of the bourgeoisie were "inwardly circumcised Jews".
And what did Karl Marx call for? Oh yes, that's right - REAL Socialism:
“As soon as society succeeds in abolishing the empirical essence of Judaism - huckstering and its conditions - the Jew becomes impossible, because his consciousness no longer has an object… The social emancipation of the Jew is the emancipation of society from Judaism.” - Marx, On the Jewish Question.
Karl Marx was calling for the removal of the Jews/Capitalists from Society. This will allow him to usher in Socialism.
ALL SOCIALISM IS ANTI-SEMITISM.
That is why, when I realized that Hitler was a Socialist, I realized the true nature of Socialism and what it was really calling for.
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"McDonalds and Amazon are examples independent companies"
Yes, they're "independent" in the sense that they're controlled by state laws, state regulations, state taxes, state inflation, state wage controls, state price controls, state pension schemes, state mandates, state lockdowns, state funding via their state banks which print currency into existence with a touch of a button and hand it directly to the corporations as the expense of the poor and middle income earners...
But yes, they're totally "independent".
And since I'm used to you deliberately misinterpreting what I'm saying, I'll point out that the previous sentence was sarcasm. They're clearly not independent of the state in any sense the of the word.
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"seriously, TiK, I felt so bad for you everytime I checked on the comments sections of those last two videos."
I'm glad to hear that. It's been a horrible week if I'm honest. Probably the worst week I've had on YouTube since I began. Even the Wehraboo hordes weren't this barbaric. The most positive thing to come out of it was this video, and the conviction to do what I did when the Wehraboos didn't listen.
"I do wonder though if, considering what is likely to be a much inflated refugee count, if the Soviets could feasibly have done anything to evacuate those people?"
Yeah, if it was a million people, it's no wonder so many got left behind. There were so few Soviet troops in the city. Chuikov's 62nd Army never had more than 54,000 men after the 23rd of August, and not much more before that when they were outside the city. If many hundreds of thousands were in the city, it's no wonder they couldn't get them all out across the Volga. Also, it's worth considering that Moscow forbade an evacuation until the last moment.
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"By the way, social state is a common goal in europe for centuries right?"
This is linked to the rise of "socialism". Now when you think of socialism, you instantly think of Marxist-Soviet-Socialism. We must put that aside because it isn't correct.
Socialism is the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). If it is the social (worker's state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy), then it's Marxism (which is what you think 'socialism' is). If it is the social (German/Aryan people's state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy), then it is National Socialism.
Therefore, there’s three things you need to realize. 1. socialism does not necessarily mean Marxist (class) Socialism. It could mean National (race) Socialism. 2. When I say National Socialism is socialism, I mean it’s socialism, not Marxism. 3. socialism is shown by the level of state control, which is opposite to capitalism, since capitalism is about less state control -
Capitalism is the private (individual, non-state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy).
Hitler is both anti-Marxist, and anti-capitalist because he thinks the Jews are causing a class crisis within capitalism to bring in Marxism, so that they can destroy the world. He therefore wants to bring in racial-socialism in order to stop this.
To go back to an earlier point you brought up -
"Just because he had done something for common workers does not make him leftist."
Socialism does not necessarily mean "the workers". Racial-socialism just favours the race, not the workers. Hitler does not believe in class, and therefore aimed to create a classless society, but one which still had a ladder, because he knew that Marxist-Socialism's lack of a ladder didn't give incentives to individuals, which meant they didn't work hard. Since Hitler was very much about Germans working hard for their community, he had to give them incentives. Therefore, this is still socialism, even if it does look different to Soviet-socialism.
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“Control over domestic resources was paralleled by centralized control over imports. Both countries [Nazi and Soviet] controlled and restricted international trade.” Temin, P580
"Both governments reorganized industry into larger units, ostensibly to increase state control over economic activity. The Nazis reorganized industry into 13 administrative groups with a large number of subgroups to create a private hierarchy for state control. The state therefore could direct the firms’ activities without acquiring direct ownership of enterprises. The pre-existing tendency to form cartels was encouraged to eliminate competition that would destabilize prices.” Temin, P582-583
“The Soviets had made a similar move in the 1920s. Faced with a scarcity of administrative personnel, the state encouraged enterprises to combine into trusts and trusts to combine into syndicates. These large units continued into the 1930s where they were utilized to bridge the gap between overall plans and actual production.” Temin, P583
"“... this difference was not important to many decisions. The incentives for managers - both positive and negative - were very similar in the two countries. Consequently, their responses to the [Four or Five Year] plans were also similar. In neither case did the managers set the goals of the plans.” Temin, P590-591
“Like Hitler, Backe saw the mission of National Socialism as being the supersession of the rotten rule of the bourgeoisie. Far from being impractical, Backe’s ideology provided a grand historical rationale for the extreme protectionism already implemented by the nationalist agrarians. Far from being backward looking, Backe’s vision assigned to National Socialism the mission of achieving a reconciliations of the unresolved contradictions of nineteenth-century liberalism. It was not National Socialism but the Victorian ideology of the free market that was the outdated relic of a bygone era. After the economic disasters of the early 1930s there was no good reason to cling to such a dangerous archaic doctrine. The future belonged to a new system of economic organization capable of ensuring both the security of the national food supply and the maintenance of a healthy farming community as the source of racial vitality.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P174
[Tooze's Wages of Destruction P179-180] Because Germany didn’t have enough land to feed her population, both Backe and Hitler (and others) wanted to expand eastwards. The local populations were to be impacted by German ‘rearrangement’. “Those left in place were to serve as slave labour on German settler farms. The SS was to be the sword and shield of this settler movement.”
On the 26th of September 1933, Darré and Backe created the “Erbhof” law. [Tooze's Wages of Destruction P182]
“For the purpose of protecting the peasantry as the ‘Blood Source of the German People’, the law proposed to create a new category of farm, the Erbhof (hereditary farm), protected by debt, insulated from market forces and passed down from generation to generation within racially pure peasant families. The law applied to all farms that were sufficient in size to provide a German family with an adequate standard of living (an Achernahrung, later defined as a minimum of c. 7.5 hectares), but did not exceed 125 hectares.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P182
“The term ‘peasant’ (Bauer) was henceforth defined as an honorary title, reserved for those registered on the Role. Those not entered in the Erbhofrolle were henceforth to be referred to merely as ‘farmers’ (Landwirte). Entry in the Rolle protected the Erbhof for ever against the nightmare of repossession. By the same token, it also imposed constraints. Erbhoefe could not be sold. Nor could they be used as security against mortgages. Farms registered as Erbhoefe were thus removed from the free disposal of their immediate owners. Regardless of existing arrangements between spouses, Erbhoefe were to have a single, preferably male, owner who was required to document his line of descent, at least as far back as 1800, the same requirements as for civil servants. ‘Peasants’ were to be of German or ‘similar stock’ (Stammesgleich), a provision that excluded Jews, or anyone of partial Jewish descent.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P182-183
“The line of inheritance was now fixed in law.” P183 [clearly not free-market capitalism]
“Coupled with this extraordinary intervention in the property rights of German peasants was an equally drastic programme of debt reduction. Backe and Darré proposed that the Erbhof farmers should assume collective responsibility for each other’s debts. The debts of all Erbhoefe, variously estimated at between 6 and 9 billion Reichsmarks, were to be transferred to the Rentenbank Kreditanstalt, a state-sponsored mortgage bank. The Rentenbank would repay the original creditors with interest ranging between 2 and 4 per cent depending on the security of the original loan. ” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P183 [no more personal debt for these farmers, but collective debt]
Hitler approved of this plan, despite opposition from Junkers, some peasants and Schacht (as well as others). He then decided that it would go through, after negotiations. P184. Unfortunately for Darré and Schacht, they had to shelve the debt-relief idea and come up with a compromise ‘grant’ scheme instead for peasants who were in debt. P185 They also had to relax the inheritance elements of the law to appease the peasants. P185-186 Rate of enrollment for those farms that fitted the bill was high. It wasn’t enough to ‘transform the structure of land ownership in Germany.” P186 But it did have an impact. “It consolidated a group of farms whose average size nationally was just less than 20 hectares, a figure that was soon to be defined as the ideal size for efficient family farming in the new order of German agriculture.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P186
“The second fundamental step taken by Darré and Backe in the autumn of 1933 was the organization of the Reichsnaehrstand (RNS). It is not too much to say that the setting up of this organization and its associated system of price and production controls marked the end of the free market for agricultural produce in Germany. Agriculture and food production, which until the mid-nineteenth century had been overwhelmingly [-P187] the most important part of the German economy and which still in the 1930s constituted a very significant element of national product, were removed from the influence of market forces. As Backe clearly articulated even before 1933, the mechanism of price-setting was the key. The RNS made use of prices to regulate production.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P186-187
Other counter arguments include Ernst Rohm’s Putsch, where people will say that the Nazis killed socialists. However, this is actually an example of state control, since it is the state cracking down on private businesses and organizations.The ‘socialists’ that Hitler killed were Ernst Röhm and his associates. These were a small number of (1,000) of socialists out of the large SA (3,000,000 strong) who were supposedly planning a coup on Hitler. This was in-fighting within the Party, rather than ideological opponents.
Another counterargument is that Hitler got rid of trade unions. And, at first, getting rid of trade unions looks like an example of getting rid of socialism. But is this really the case? What is a trade union? A trade union is an organization (usually Marxist in nature) of workers (class) who are opposing the employer (class). Since trade unions are based on class and not race, they’re an example of Marxism within capitalism.
Hitler replaces the Marxist (class) trade unions with the racial-state’s “German Labour Front” (DAF). The state is now in control of the workers - a sign of socialism. Since trade unions (private organizations) are no longer around, this is a sign of anti-capitalism, as well as anti-Marxism. It also misses the point that Lenin was against trade unions as well, despite being a Marxist-socialist.
So, with the above quotes, we can see that private property was abolished and that the capitalist businessmen were in trouble. They were not, as some claim, "supporting Hitler" and ruling the roost. They were under the socialist thumb. Similarly we have a heavy-state involvement in land reform in order to ‘socialize’ it. We also have price controls and high taxes restricting any effective ‘capitalism’ that may have been going on in the economy. All this is in addition to the fact that Hitler had restricted Germany’s trade with the world (“international-Jewish-finance” as he called it), severely limiting capitalism. We have the destruction of trade unions (both capitalist and Marxist in nature) and their replacement with the state. Therefore, what we have here is a planned socialist economy, not capitalism.
Sources -
Temin, P. “Soviet and Nazi Economic Planning in the 1930s.” From The Economic History Review, New Series, Vol. 44, No. 4 (Nov., 1991), pp. 573-593 (21 pages). Jstor. https://www.jstor.org/stable/2597802?seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents
Tooze, A. “Wages of Destruction: The Making & Breaking of The Nazi Economy.” Penguin Books, 2007.
Reimann, G. “The Vampire Economy: Doing Business under Fascism.” Kindle, Mises Institute, 2007. Originally written in 1939.
(Accessed 04/10/2018)
https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Reichstagsbrandverordnung
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http://www.zum.de/psm/weimar/weimar_vve.php
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28 February 1933 -
Order of the Reich President for the Protection of People and State
On the basis of Article 48 paragraph 2 of the Constitution of the German Reich, the following is ordered in defense against Communist state-endangering acts of violence:
§ 1. Articles 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124 and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. It is therefore permissible to restrict the rights of personal freedom [habeas corpus], freedom of (opinion) expression, including the freedom of the press, the freedom to organize and assemble, the privacy of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communications. Warrants for House searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.”
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Articles of the Weimar Constitution affected -
Article 115.
The dwelling of every German is his sanctuary and is inviolable. Exceptions may be imposed only by authority of law.
Article 153.
Property shall be guaranteed by the constitution. Its nature and limits shall be prescribed by law.
Expropriation [noun, the action by the state or an authority of taking property from its owner for public use or benefit.] shall take place only for the general good and only on the basis of law. It shall be accompanied by payment of just compensation unless otherwise provided by national law. In case of dispute over the amount of compensation recourse to the ordinary courts shall be permitted, unless otherwise provided by national law. Expropriation by the Reich over against the states, municipalities, and associations serving the public welfare may take place only upon the payment of compensation.
Property imposes obligations. Its use by its owner shall at the same time serve the public good.
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By law, individuals couldn't own property. Therefore, they cannot own businesses. The 'privatization' that took place, in fact, is a slight of hand. And there are many instances where the government exercised their power by seizing a person's personal property or businesses. The Nazis nationalized industries that didn't do as they insisted, then 're-privatized' them. But in reality those businesses could only function as part of the state, and were under control by the state, and weren't really owned by their owners.
"The Nazis viewed private property as conditional on its use - not as a fundamental right. If the property was not being used to further Nazi goals, it could be nationalized.” Temin, P576
“Prof. Junkers of the Junkers aeroplane factory refused to follow the government’s bidding in 1934. The Nazis thereupon took over the plant, compensating Junkers for his loss. This was the context in which other contracts were negotiated.” Temin, P576-577
“Manufacturers in Germany were panic-stricken when they heard of the experiences of some industrialists who were more or less expropriated [had their property seized] by the State. These industrialists were visited by State auditors who had strict orders to “examine” the balance sheets and all bookkeeping entries of the company (or individual businessman) for the preceding two, three, or more years until some error or false entry was found. The slightest formal mistake was punished with tremendous penalties. A fine of millions of marks was imposed for a single bookkeeping error. Obviously, the examination of the books was simply a pretext for partial expropriation of the private capitalist with a view to complete expropriation and seizure of the desired property later. The owner of the property was helpless, since under fascism there is no longer an independent judiciary that protects the property rights of private citizens against the state. The authoritarian State has made it a principle that private property is no longer sacred.” - Reimann, Chapter II (no page number, as on Kindle)
Reimann, in 1939, quotes from a German businessman’s letter to an American businessman -
“The difference between this and the Russian system is much less than you think, despite the fact that officially we are still independent businessmen.” “Some businessmen have even started studying Marxist theories, so that they will have a better understanding of the present economic system.” “How can we possibly manage a firm according to business principles if it is impossible to make any predictions as to the prices at which goods are to be bought and sold? We are completely dependent on arbitrary Government decisions concerning quantity, quality and prices for foreign raw materials.” “You cannot imagine how taxation has increased. Yet everyone is afraid to complain about it. The new State loans are nothing but confiscation of private property, because no one believed that the Government will ever make repayment, nor even pay interest after the first few years.” “We businessmen still make sufficient profit, sometimes even large profits, but we never know how much we are going to be able to keep…”
“The decree of February 28, 1933, nullified article 153 of the Weimar Constitution which guaranteed private property and restricted interference with private property in accordance with certain legally defined conditions … The conception of property has experienced a fundamental change. The individualistic conception of the State - a result of the liberal spirit - must give way to the concept that communal welfare precedes individual welfare. (Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz).” - Reimann, quoting from Jahrbuch des Oeffentlichen Rechtes der Gegenward, ed. by Otto Koellreuther (1935), p. 267.
“There exists no law which binds the State. The State can do what it regards as necessary, because it has the authority.” “The next stage of National-Socialist economic policy consists of replacing capitalist laws by policy.” - Fritz Nonnenbruch, the financial editor of the Voelkischer Beobachter (quoted by Reimann).
“The life of the German businessman is full of contradictions. He cordially dislikes the gigantic, top-heavy, bureaucratic State machine which is strangling his economic independence. Yet he needs the aid of these despised bureaucrats more and more, and is forced to run after them, begging for concessions, privileges, grants, in fear that his competitor will gain the advantage.” - Reimann
“Such a system also changes the psychology of businessmen. Their experiences teach them that the old right of property no longer exists. They find themselves compelled to respect the “national interest” or the “welfare of the community.”” “Businessmen must claim that everything they do, any new business for which they want a certificate, any preferment in the supply of raw materials, etc., is “in the interest of the national community.”” - Reimann
Schacht centralized and heavily regulated the electricity production industry, which then sparked a new plan of economic administration. This was all in 1935. [Tooze's Wages of Destruction P111-112]
"...in practice the Reichsbank and the Reich Ministry of Economic Affairs had no intention of allowing the radical activists of the SA, the shopfloor militants of the Nazi party or Gauleiter commissioners to dictate the course of events. Under the slogan of the 'strong state', the ministerial bureaucracy fashioned a new national structure of economic regulation." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112
“We worked and governed with incredible elan. We really ruled. For the bureaucrats of the Ministry the contrast to the Weimar Republic was stark. Party chatter in the Reichstag was no longer heard. The language of the bureaucracy was rid of the paralysing formula: technically right but politically impossible.” - Schacht, speaking of the situation after 1933. Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112-113
"It would be absurd to deny the reality of this shift. The crisis of corporate capitalism in the course of the Great Depression did permanently alter the balance of power. Never again was big business to influence the course of government in German as directly as it did between the outbreak of World War I in 1914 and the onset of the Depression in 1929. The Reich's economic administration, for its part, accumulated unprecedented powers of national economic control." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P113
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"I still don't get why your being salty about this."
I've been brigaded by Marxists, and the best part is, their most effective counter-arguments are to accuse me of saying or being things I've not said nor am. And, when I state my case, they fail to counter it, which shows that I've actually got a point.
The other day I wanted the Three Arrows video on this topic (he wasn't talking about me specifically), and at the end he said that anyone who thinks that National Socialism is socialism is either a neo-Nazi or a pro-capitalist (or something along those lines). It frustrates me because I don't accuse people who think the opposite view of denying the Holocaust, even though they are (unknowningly) doing so. Because ultimately this is why I started down this path in the first place, to beat the Holocaust denialists and prove that the Holocaust happened. Central to that idea is Nationalsozialismus (one word, as it is in German, and I think it's important that we don't split it). So I'm not a neo-Nazi or pro-capitalist. My motivation is purely there to prove one of the worst events in human history happened, and I now know it is impossible to do that without accepting that Nationalsocialism is socialism (not Marxist socialism, just socialism).
The best part is, I used to get denialist comments on my channel all the time. Once I published my NS videos, those comments have trickled to almost none at all. Those that do comment, clearly haven't seen those videos because as soon as I point them out and say something like 'you can't fool me', they back down. I can beat the denialists without even talking about the Holocaust itself - just the central ideology behind it.
The reality is that the Nationalsocialists know what they are - they are socialists. They know they can't deny the Holocaust to me because, as I said to one of them, 'to deny the Holocaust is to deny that Hitler was a socialist, which is to deny that he was pro-German.' The only reason they deny the Holocaust isn't because they don't think it happened - they know it happened - it's because they're mocking people's incorrect perception of Nationalsocialism, and they're poking at people's misconceptions. Worse, they've twisted it and use this misconception to recruit to their cause. So denying it cannot happen any longer.
"Can you please explain... Hitler's actions in the Spanish civil war"
While I haven't studied the Spanish Civil War specifically, I will answer as best as I can. Hitler fought against Marxist-Socialists. Hitler is racial-socialist, so to take an educated guess I would say he was on the side of the Spanish race against (what he saw as) Jewish-led Bolshevism (Judeo-Bolshevism - class-socialists).
"the definition that includes workers isn't the Marxist definition it's the generally accepted definition from the labour party to anarchist federation neither of which are Marxist."
So, you're finally admitting that there are varient forms of socialism?
"dude you can't pretend to not have an ideology"
I don't see the world in groups. I don't believe in putting all my faith in limited beliefs or groups. I will look at each issue individually, as an individual. For example, I think the NHS should not be dismantled (as the Conservatives want it to be), but I also don't see the need to nationalize the postal service (one of Labour's current policies). However, I may see the need to nationalize another industry, or de-nationalize another industry, depending on the individual situation. I will vote for any party, and will freely critizise or praise what I want, when I want. And, my views on a particular issue will change over time, again depending on the situation.
This 'ideology' of mine, is incredibly freeing.
"that means that you don't understand what an ideology is because by definition everyone has an ideology"
I guess my only ideology is that I don't want to correct the distortions of history, because without truth, what's the point? This is why, once I realised that I had been wrong in my assessment of National Socialism being capitalism, I stood up against the grain and said Nationalsocialism was socialism. And I still stand by that decision and assessment, even if it has lead to problems.
And, as an observer, I absolutely can understand what an ideology is. I just don't fit into any, and reject the idea that I should pick one and then conform to the group.
"anarchists are people who want an abolition of all hierarchy including the abolition of capitalism"
What about anarcho-capitalists? They're not abolishing capitalism.
"and replace it with a stateless form of socialism"
You can't have "stateless socialism" - that's a direct contradiction (which you correctly predicted, see my next point).
""Stateless socialism" is an oxymoron with your definition but it happened historically."
No it didn't. I don't know what you think a government is, but if you have no 'state', but do have a worker's council (or soviet) in a factory, that's a government. Even if it's just for that one factory and independent, that council governs that individual factory (assuming there isn't a higher state government). That's a group of people in charge - governing. It's a local government, but it's still a government, even if it's democratic or whatever (unless it's a warzone and nobody's cooperating in any way whatsoever).
Socialism cannot exist without some form of government, simply because if a human being decides that the shirt on his back now belongs to him, then someone from the social group will have to step in and say 'no, that belongs to the group'. That act is a form of government (plus contradictory to the idea of 'stateless socialism'). So, as soon as you had this 'stateless socialism', it would have all the potential to revert into a primative form of private ownership (capitalism).
"This means that your definition is not only innacurate but historically wrong."
No, because they weren't true anarchisms. See the point above. Anarchism is the "abolition of all government and organization in society" - to quote from Google. If you have any form of organization (which is, by definition, socialism - a 'social' 'group') you can't have anarchism.
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"You seem to have confused collectivist with socialist"
What are you talking about? I didn't mention collectivist. Again, socialism is the social (public, state) group ownership (control) of the means of production (business/economy). I'd love to see your definition of socialism, because I guarantee it mentions "workers" or "class", which is actually Marxist-Socialism, not socialism as a whole.
"your opinion is based off the mises institute which considers anything other than a completely free market socialist."
I will repeat myself again, socialism is the social (public, state) group ownership (control) of the means of production (business/economy). I don't know what the Mises Institute actually defines capitalism and socialism is, but the definition I'm using makes sense historically. It may not fit into Marxist ideology, but I'm not here for ideologies.
"You still haven't managed to explain what anarchists are."
I didn't even know I was asked that question. I get thousands of comments a day now, let alone the stupid amount of 'neck yourself' comment I received after I posted these videso, and can't possibly keep up with them all. As far as I'm aware, anarchists are anti-government and law in favour of the individual.
"Your only explanation was that "socialists have splits so they infight" which is just completely invalid cos the trots, Stalinists anarchists and demsocs all worked together"
Are you drunk? Socialists have the splits so they infight? When did I ever say anything like that?
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I understand what you're communicating, but your ideas contradict. It's clear that you've misunderstood what socialism actually is, and you have a vague understanding of what Nationalsocialism is. The fact that you said the Nazis are willing to kill other races, is itself, a sign of their socialism. If you don't know why this shows their socialism, you don't understand what Nationalsocialism is, nor what socialism is.
Socialism is the social (public, state) group ownership (control) of the means of production (business). This is opposite to capitalism, which is the private (individual, non-state) ownership (control) of the means of production (business). Yes, it is actually the amount of state control in the economy. This is the basis of the definition! Socialism is a direct response to capitalism, where the state wouldn't get involved in the economy. Capitalism was 'failing', and the state could change that.
If it is the (class) workers state ownership or control of the means of production, this is Marxist-socialism. If it is the "people's state" or racial group (to use Hitler's words) ownership or control of the means of production, then it is Nationalsocialism.
Do you understand me?
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By law, individuals couldn't own property. Therefore, they cannot own businesses. The 'privatization' that took place, in fact, is a slight of hand. And there are many instances where the government exercised their power by seizing a person's personal property or businesses. The Nazis nationalized industries that didn't do as they insisted, then 're-privatized' them. But in reality those businesses could only function as part of the state, and were under control by the state, and weren't really owned by their owners.
"The Nazis viewed private property as conditional on its use - not as a fundamental right. If the property was not being used to further Nazi goals, it could be nationalized.” Temin, P576
“Prof. Junkers of the Junkers aeroplane factory refused to follow the government’s bidding in 1934. The Nazis thereupon took over the plant, compensating Junkers for his loss. This was the context in which other contracts were negotiated.” Temin, P576-577
“Manufacturers in Germany were panic-stricken when they heard of the experiences of some industrialists who were more or less expropriated [had their property seized] by the State. These industrialists were visited by State auditors who had strict orders to “examine” the balance sheets and all bookkeeping entries of the company (or individual businessman) for the preceding two, three, or more years until some error or false entry was found. The slightest formal mistake was punished with tremendous penalties. A fine of millions of marks was imposed for a single bookkeeping error. Obviously, the examination of the books was simply a pretext for partial expropriation of the private capitalist with a view to complete expropriation and seizure of the desired property later. The owner of the property was helpless, since under fascism there is no longer an independent judiciary that protects the property rights of private citizens against the state. The authoritarian State has made it a principle that private property is no longer sacred.” - Reimann, Chapter II (no page number, as on Kindle)
Reimann, in 1939, quotes from a German businessman’s letter to an American businessman -
“The difference between this and the Russian system is much less than you think, despite the fact that officially we are still independent businessmen.” “Some businessmen have even started studying Marxist theories, so that they will have a better understanding of the present economic system.” “How can we possibly manage a firm according to business principles if it is impossible to make any predictions as to the prices at which goods are to be bought and sold? We are completely dependent on arbitrary Government decisions concerning quantity, quality and prices for foreign raw materials.” “You cannot imagine how taxation has increased. Yet everyone is afraid to complain about it. The new State loans are nothing but confiscation of private property, because no one believed that the Government will ever make repayment, nor even pay interest after the first few years.” “We businessmen still make sufficient profit, sometimes even large profits, but we never know how much we are going to be able to keep…”
“The decree of February 28, 1933, nullified article 153 of the Weimar Constitution which guaranteed private property and restricted interference with private property in accordance with certain legally defined conditions … The conception of property has experienced a fundamental change. The individualistic conception of the State - a result of the liberal spirit - must give way to the concept that communal welfare precedes individual welfare. (Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz).” - Reimann, quoting from Jahrbuch des Oeffentlichen Rechtes der Gegenward, ed. by Otto Koellreuther (1935), p. 267.
“The government of a totalitarian State would not be “authoritarian” if the courts still functioned independently, as they do under liberal capitalism.” “The division of power between the executive or legislative branch on the one hand and the judicial branch on the other was formerly a guarantee to the owner of private property that his property rights would be protected even against his own government. The totalitarian State, in abolishing this separation of power, abolishes the sanctity of private property, which thereupon ceases to be a basic principle of society fundamental to State morality.” “Constitutionally the businessman still enjoys guarantees of property rights. But what is the value of such constitutional guarantees without courts that dare to defy the omnipotent bureaucracy or to enforce laws that are “out of date”?” - Reimann.
“There exists no law which binds the State. The State can do what it regards as necessary, because it has the authority.” “The next stage of National-Socialist economic policy consists of replacing capitalist laws by policy.” - Fritz Nonnenbruch, the financial editor of the Voelkischer Beobachter (quoted by Reimann).
National interests are - “made mainly by the Nazi party, or, rather, by its leaders, that is, by the State bureaucracy. It is a principle that only Party members shall occupy key positions in the government and in all organizations where the State influences the distribution of jobs. They must be engaged whenever there is a choice between the Party member and non-Party member.”
“The influence of the Party cannot be seen in laws, but in practice, and personalities are the important factor. A large number of the ministers [at present all ministers] are Party members.” - Ministerialdirektor Sommer, spokesman for Rudolph Hess, in the Deutsche Juristenzeitung of May 21, 1936.
“The capitalist under fascism has to be not merely a law-abiding citizen, he must be servile to the representatives of the State. He must not insist on “rights” and must not behave as if his private property rights were still sacred. He should be grateful to the Fuehrer that he still has private property.” “This state of affairs must lead to the final collapse of business morale, and sound the death knell of the self-respect and self-reliance which marked the independent businessman under liberal capitalism.” - Reimann
“The life of the German businessman is full of contradictions. He cordially dislikes the gigantic, top-heavy, bureaucratic State machine which is strangling his economic independence. Yet he needs the aid of these despised bureaucrats more and more, and is forced to run after them, begging for concessions, privileges, grants, in fear that his competitor will gain the advantage.” - Reimann
“Such a system also changes the psychology of businessmen. Their experiences teach them that the old right of property no longer exists. They find themselves compelled to respect the “national interest” or the “welfare of the community.”” “Businessmen must claim that everything they do, any new business for which they want a certificate, any preferment in the supply of raw materials, etc., is “in the interest of the national community.”” - Reimann
“Control over domestic resources was paralleled by centralized control over imports. Both countries [Nazi and Soviet] controlled and restricted international trade.” Temin, P580
"Both governments reorganized industry into larger units, ostensibly to increase state control over economic activity. The Nazis reorganized industry into 13 administrative groups with a large number of subgroups to create a private hierarchy for state control. The state therefore could direct the firms’ activities without acquiring direct ownership of enterprises. The pre-existing tendency to form cartels was encouraged to eliminate competition that would destabilize prices.” Temin, P582-583
“The Soviets had made a similar move in the 1920s. Faced with a scarcity of administrative personnel, the state encouraged enterprises to combine into trusts and trusts to combine into syndicates. These large units continued into the 1930s where they were utilized to bridge the gap between overall plans and actual production.” Temin, P583
"“... this difference was not important to many decisions. The incentives for managers - both positive and negative - were very similar in the two countries. Consequently, their responses to the [Four or Five Year] plans were also similar. In neither case did the managers set the goals of the plans.” Temin, P590-591
Therefore, what we have here is a planned socialist economy, not capitalism.
Sources -
Temin, P. “Soviet and Nazi Economic Planning in the 1930s.” From The Economic History Review, New Series, Vol. 44, No. 4 (Nov., 1991), pp. 573-593 (21 pages). Jstor. https://www.jstor.org/stable/2597802?seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents
Tooze, A. “Wages of Destruction: The Making & Breaking of The Nazi Economy.” Penguin Books, 2007.
Reimann, G. “The Vampire Economy: Doing Business under Fascism.” Kindle, Mises Institute, 2007. Originally written in 1939.
(Accessed 04/10/2018)
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http://www.zum.de/psm/weimar/weimar_vve.php
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"So... You ARE redefining Socialism to include Hitler's "version" of it. Neat."
No, I'm using the historic definitions https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
"The definition of socialism is an economical, not a historical issue, and you're viewing it as one."
Capitalism is private control of the means of production. A private is an individual.
Socialism is collective control of the means of production. The collective is a group. And organized group is a hierarchy. The hierarchy of society is the State. Again: https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
"Capitalism doesn't mean international "free trade" and Socialism a lack thereof."
If the State regulates the economy and prevents private people trading with each other, that's not capitalism, that's socialism.
"So you see,an internal commodity economy based on wage-labour production, even with monopolies or oligopolies, and certainly oligarchies, with limited and preferential international trade even at peace time, is still capitalism."
No it isn't. Capitalism is the private (individual) control of the means of production. A corporation or an oligarchy etc is not a private individual. Corporations, for example, are collectively owned by their shareholders, which is why the USSR was one giant corporation (Hanson, “The Rise and Fall of the The Soviet Economy,” Kindle P8), and why the Fascists and Nazis also embraced corporations.
"Brutal, end-state, overpowered, pre-globalisation national Capitalism, such Capitalism as there existed for the majority of the prevalence of the Capitalist economic system and mode of production."
Nationalism and socialism are the same thing, as are internationalism and socialism. They are all a collective's control of the means of production.
"I won't even deign to compare and contrast the National "Socialist" organisation to the Socialist one"
Yes, because you can't. Ignore the fact that they had price kommissars and allocated resources. Ignore the fact that you cannot kill Jews on a mass-industrial scale without a central collective State running the economy. Ignore the fact that most members of the corporations in the Third Reich were members of the Nazi Party, and thus were the State.
"CLASS STRUGGLE"
Socialism has nothing to do with class struggle. Marxism is about class warfare. Socialism predates Marxism and has nothing to do with it. Socialism is only societal control of the means of production.
"So no, the bloody Nazis weren't Socialists."
No need to swear.
"Before you make such statements,you need to freshen up on fields of study other than your own, otherwise it's like,I don't know,trying to determine the personal psychology of an individual using sociological terms; incomplete at best, pointless at worst."
This video was aimed at the Nazis. It wasn't aimed at the Marxists. I wasn't expecting the Marxists to rally to the defence of the Nazis, yet that is exactly what happened. But they're not REAL Socialists or anything.
Also, you need to actually learn the definitions of the terms you're using. Capitalism is not when the State does stuff, which is what you've claimed.
"Please, please stop propagating such nonsense. They're not only dangerous, they aren't just misinformed, they are FACTUALLY WRONG. And you do seem to be better than that. I hope."
Follow up videos which will make you rethink this stance
https://youtu.be/PQGMjDQ-TJ8
https://youtu.be/go2OFpO8fyo
https://youtu.be/qtACBI1Txrc
I'm also working on more videos which will show the true nature of the socialist economy in the Third Reich, using actual sources, not wikipedia or Reddit (lol).
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I thought so! Not done customer service, but I can imagine how bad it is over the phone. Used to make the odd call to customers, and they have no restraint and are so ridiculous in their demand. They don't realise that maybe, just maybe, they'd get more help and support if they were nice to us. But no, they don't think of that.
Trust me though, being there in person doesn't make it any better. You'd think it would, but it really doesn't. They're just as rude, and they think they can shout and scream and threaten you with physical violence to get what they want, because you're "meant to serve them" and the "customer is always right".
Well, I used to shout back and tell them they're acting like idiots. If they threatened us we gang up on them, or get the police to escort them out if it came to that. On rare occasions my coworkers had to tackle them to the ground, although sadly I never got that opportunity. It's good there are no guns in the UK, that's all I'll say on that...
I've heard that in Japan they put mirrors up behind the counters so that people can see a true reflection of themselves. They're supposed to see what a idiot they're being and calm themselves down. Unfortunately we didn't have mirrors, so we had to be the reflection ourselves. Very grateful I don't work retail now.
However, I now get the same thing over the internet. People telling me to "neck yourself" and so on because I say things that go against their beliefs. Yippee. Certainly has an impact - but drives me to do further research to prove them wrong. So the stupidity of others can be is a nice source of motivation.
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"Though the term 'guilt' is not mentioned there is a direct implication in this statement that Germany was responsible for the war - something that is highly debatable, given that Russia was the first country to mobilise."
There is no mention of war guilt, or that Germany started the war, only that Germany would pay for the damaged she caused in the west.
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"The War Guilt Clause was added in order to get the French and Belgians to agree to reduce the sum of money that Germany would have to pay to compensate for war damage."
Oh, so the Allies wanted to reduce the amount of reparations? Maybe this is because the Allied politicians didn't want to punish Germany, which is exactly like I said in the video.
And again, there is no "war guilt clause" in the treaty.
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"TIK prattles on about the Germans needing to pay for the damage that they caused, but can he please explain HOW you could fight a war WITHOUT causing any damage?"
You can't fight a way without causing any damage. That's why wars are bad. However, generally the side that loses the war (e.g. France in 1871) is forced to pay reparations to the victor (which the French did to Germany). But when it came to WW1, the side that lost the war (Germany) was let off the hook because the Allied politicians betrayed their own people. The war in the west was ultimately fought for no reason at all, except maybe Alsace–Lorraine.
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"It was bitterly resented, however, by virtually all Germans, who did not believe they were responsible for the outbreak of the war."
Yes. But the clause wasn't actually there. German propaganda pretended that it was, so the myth of Versailles caused the German public to be outraged.
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"This article was a constant thorn in the side of the Weimar leaders who tried to meet the terms of the agreement while trying to have these terms modified."
The Weimar government wanted to pretend that the war guilt clause was there so that they could use this "crisis" to gain government support. All the Germans rallied behind the opposition to the fictitious "war guilt clause", ultimately uniting the German people together during Weimar, and then again under the next government (Hitler's). It was a well-played piece of theatre by the German establishment.
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"You know what Nazis also do TIK? They never stop complaining about socialism and communism."
They complain about democratic-socialism and communism (Marxist Socialism). They don't complain about Socialism. They praise socialism, since they are National Socialists https://youtu.be/eCkyWBPaTC8
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"I don’t believe you’re a Nazi just because some of you positions may sound similar to some of the stuff they say."
None of my political or economic preferences are similar to the National Socialist position. I want a free market, not a totalitarian state-planned or state-influenced people's community. I want freedom to every individual, not freedom to a particular race or class. I want private property and private ownership of the means of production, not state/social ownership of the means of production and the destruction of private property (the Nazis abolished private property in the Reichstag Fire Decree of 1933, as I showed in the video linked above). And I'm against corporations, since corporations aren't privately owned, but publicly owned https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
I'm not a Nazi, and I don't believe in any of their policies.
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"If you dislike socialists, please make an honest critique based on the positions of whatever branch of socialism you are critiquing, not a broad smear because they have a single crossover in Nazi talking points on one specific issue."
Socialism itself is the problem. It doesn't matter what branch of socialism, be that a national version of socialism, or a class version of socialism, it doesn't matter - it's all socialism. And I've explained this in numerous videos. So my criticism isn't of socialists, but of socialism. Remember, I used to be a socialist myself, until I did my homework and realized that Hitler was a Socialist, and that everything I had been taught and led to believe about his ideology was incorrect. So I don't have a problem with socialists, necessarily. I have a problem with Socialism specifically for misleading people into thinking it's for the poor, when it's actually enriching the rich.
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"I’m sure as a historian you can’t deny that the first people the Nazis removed were socialists, communists, and trade unionists."
Again, watch the first linked video above. The Nazis removed democratic-socialists, communists and those trade unionists that refused to nationalize and socialize into the State's trade union (the German Labour Front or DAF). Lenin did the exact same thing with the democratic-socialists, and non-Bolshevik communists and trade unionists and trade unions. But when he does it, he's a "real" socialist. When Hitler does it, he's a "capitalist" somehow...
Hitler didn't remove every socialist. He didn't remove National Socialists, he also allowed many democratic socialists and communists to merge into the party, and he also arrested and killed conservatives, monarchists, liberals (capitalist ones), and others during the Night of the Long Knives, not just Ernst Röhm. But again, you don't hear this in the lamestream narrative because it's taboo to consider Hitler as a real socialist, even though he was.
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"Being a good historian doesn’t make your right in your political beliefs."
It's not a belief, it's an observation. History is a praxeology, not an ideology. I'm challenging your ideology with facts and logic, and that's why you're upset because your political beliefs are being undermined by the evidence I'm presenting.
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I've also watched half of Veritas's video, and it's awful, which is why I stopped watching. I considered making a response, but again, it's so obviously self-refuting that I honestly don't see the point in wasting my time on it.
A "free market" is not a "vague term". A market is a buyer and seller, and if they are free to trade without anyone else involved, then that's a free market. When a state commissar gets involved and tells them what they can and cannot do, or demands tribute off them in the form of "taxes", and then seizes the printing presses and inflates the currency supply, that's when we no longer have a free market.
Watch the channel called "China Uncensored". China's economy is not what it seems. The government statistics are not trustworthy in the slightest. And I'm not saying their economy isn't growing at all, but it's simply not the case that their economy is as good as they make it out to be.
At the same time, due to increasing government involvement in the economy, the USA is also in decline. The more the state gets involved, the worse the situation will be.
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"I am going to dispute that "The Commons" have anything to do with the State, and the commons are certainly not in the public sector (at least not exclusively)."
I know you've written this early, way before you would have finished the video, but if you continue to watch the video, you'll see that I agree with you. HOWEVER, that's not how society sees it. There are two meanings for the word "public" ("common" being a synonym in this case), and the two meanings have been merged together. That's not my fault, that's just how it is. So Statists have claimed that the State is society, and society is the State. I don't agree, but that's how the majority (unfortunately) see it.
But yes, I agree. Despite being a "public" figure, I'm not a member of the State. Despite walking down a "common" road, the road isn't the State. But people believe that the roads are owned by the State, so they are.
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"hey tik, i checked some Italian sources. They all state that the 8th Bersaglieri Regiment was composted by the 5th, 12th and 3rd Bersaglieri battalions. One source says that the 3rd battalion was a motorcycle battalion, while an other claims it was a weapons support battalion ( 20mm cannons, HMGs and 81mm mortars). The second source seems more credible and maybe it explains why it wasn't mentioned in your sources, being a support battalion (just speculating)."
"So the only possible VII batallion is the one in the 132nd Rgt of the Ariete. BUT the 8th Bersaglieri regiment had in fact another attached batallion (a third, together with the V and XII) called "III Battaglione armi d'accompagnamento" (basically light artillery), that is the one overwhelmed in the initial phase because it didn't have enough time to dig in. (Source: "Le operazioni in Africa Settentrionale, vol. II-Tobruk", Mario Montanari, pp. 349 and 426)."
Thank you, both of you! Very interesting stuff. It looks like we have a convergence of evidence here. Until proven otherwise, let's assume it was a "3rd Battalion" rather than a "7th". But this does leave the question - how or why did Walker (Iron Hulls) get this so wrong?
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Socialism is state control of the economy. It is. They will deny it, but it is https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
The Marxists want total state control of the economy, and so did the Nazis. Yes, they operated slightly differently because Hitler's racial theory allowed some competition between individuals, but it was still state control.
And yes, I was reading a history of Auschwitz yesterday. The amount of state control, state subsidies to IG Faben, state grants, state laws, state theft of property, and tax exemptions to make that place happen is unreal. To turn around and say "nope, the state had nothing to do with it" is a huge distortion of history, which gives ammunition to the Holocaust deniers.
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"Wow, first you claim Nazism is socialism, then you claim Nazism is social democracy?"
No, Hitler claimed Nazism was Social(ism) Democracy (a People's State). I just pointed that out to you. I said that all Socialism is Democracy, and Democracy is Socialism. Social Democracy is just Socialism by another name.
"Do you have any idea how many socialists and social democrats were killed in concentration camps?"
Nazis were also killed in the concentration camps if they crossed Hitler. You weren't put in a concentration camp because of your political views necessarily.
"No, Nazi Germany wasn't a social democracy. That's why today's Nordic countries don't look much like it."
The Nordic countries don't have a welfare state? Or central banks? Or nationalized public transportation? Or Corporations (trade unions)?
"Why do you fell this compulsive need to lump everyone who disagrees with anarchocaptitalism together? Is that the only way you can defend your own anarchocaptitalism?"
I don't lump them all together. Monarchists are not Socialists, for example. I just say that all Socialists are Socialists, and all Socialists should stop trying to claim that they're not REAL Socialists when I have the evidence and the facts to expose them for the liars that they actually are. Again https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
"you equate, obfuscate and muddle until "not anarchocaptitalist" becomes "socialist" or "social democrat" or whatever you want."
Incorrect. There are other political doctrines. But people calling for State control are called Socialists. They may claim that they're not, or claim that they are, or pretend that others who called themselves Socialists weren't 'real' Socialists, but I'm not falling for it.
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You didn't read what I put on the screen correctly. Read this again: Money printing is inflation. Price rises is NOT inflation.
Inflation doesn't immediately lead to price rises everywhere at once. It can lead directly to immediate price rises, or it can get soaked up in other ways... like the stock market, or the real estate bubble, or the tuition fee/academia bubble, or second hand goods bubble (e.g. cars), or other asset bubbles. Of course, some would point out that the rise in prices in these sectors of the economy would indicate that price rises are happening, and that might have something to do with the amount of currency being directly funneled into them by the Central Banks and the Central Banks... And when those asset bubbles and stock market bubbles pop, you not only get a recession/depression, but (after an initial period of falling prices) a massive spike in spending, which will cause rising prices, and either a complete collapse in the economy and/or financial system, or hyperinflation (if the Central Banks choose to keep inflating).
But you've done the "maths", so you choose what you want to believe.
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Yeah it's built in automatically, and for good reason! There's a couple options, but basically any comment with a link (even to other YouTube videos, or even video timestamps) instantly gets hidden until I approve them. Swearing, threats, and certain topics or using words that might be considered offensive are also hidden. And spamming is hidden too. So, if you cut and paste a comment a ton in the comment section, or reply a few times to the same comment without anyone replying, your comments might get held for review.
Makes it nice and easy for me to delete hateful comments and the like, and I can block users completely if they're idiots. I don't block people often though, and I've only blocked a handful in the entire existence of the channel (2012 - I've probably only blocked about 30 in all that time, and most were from one particular video recently about revisionism). It's only really reserved for repeat offenders, or people who are going out of their way to spread misinformation across my channel (like the "Earth is flat, here's proof!" kind), or people with extreme social or ethnic views (yes, the revisionism video again).
I have no problem with people disagreeing with my point of view, or even calling me out when I get things wrong, so long as people are civil about it. Same applies to other people's comments. Ideally I want everyone to have a nice argument - and yes, I'm sure that's an oxymoron! Therefore don't worry about your comments so far, just try to be nice :)
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The burden of proof remains on you. You can claim that the moon is made of cheese, but that doesn't make it so without sufficient evidence. The lack of evidence is proof that it didn't happen, and thus it is false to conclude that it happened.
And as shown in the video, we have proof that Finck and Schmidt promised 5 million Reichsmarks to the Nazis in the event of a leftist uprising. They never gave the money because an uprising never occurred, but we have that evidence. What we don't have is any evidence of a mass capitalist funding of the National Socialist Party, and in the context it doesn't make any sense to conclude that, since the business leaders were liberals and conservatives, not socialists or nationalists.
“The story put about in the memoirs of the later press chief Otto Dietrich of Hitler ceaselessly touring Germany in his big Mercedes in the second half of 1931, cultivating big business leaders and breaking down their resistance to the NSDAP, was no more than part of the myth that Hitler had won power by conquering the hearts and minds of every section of the German people. No more solidly founded was the view of the Left at the time that the Nazi Movement was the creature of big business and sustained by its funding. Most leaders and executives of big business were shrewd enough to spread their funding round as a form of political insurance, once the Nazi breakthrough had taken place. But most of it still went to the Nazis' political opponents on the conservative Right. The leaders of big business were no friends of democracy. But nor, for the most part, did they want to see the Nazis running the country.” - Kershaw, “Hitler: Hubris,” p358.
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Someone else pointed out that Wikipedia's official policy is to reject the primary sources. Here's the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research#:~:text=Wikipedia%20articles%20must%20not%20contain,not%20stated%20by%20the%20sources.
"Wikipedia articles must not contain original research. On Wikipedia, original research means material—such as facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no reliable, published source exists. This includes any analysis or synthesis of published material that reaches or implies a conclusion not stated by the sources. To demonstrate that you are not adding original research, you must be able to cite reliable, published sources that are directly related to the topic of the article and directly support the material being presented."
Later it says:
"In general, the most reliable sources are:
Peer-reviewed journals
Books published by university presses
University-level textbooks
Magazines, journals, and books published by respected publishing houses
Mainstream newspapers"
So, according to Wikipedia, a mainstream newspaper - which is literally the second worst source out there after memoirs - is better than any of the primary sources.
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I appreciate your advice, but I don't think it all applies here. Maybe I didn't make it clear in the video, but I do all the research, throw that into a document in order, then script. So the research is done first (which for Battlestorms is absolutely necessary) and then the scripting is done. For other videos that aren't reliant on the maps as much, you can do a bit of research, script, and then fill in the gaps with research, but not in the Battlestorms, since they have to be done in chronological order.
There's no way to do anything else before the scripting is done, since everything will be out of order. And because I'm now working with an editor, giving them the recordings first to allow them to get the Premiere Pro stuff done is essential because that takes time (especially putting all the references in), so when I've done that I then work on the screenplay. Maybe now I'm not publishing more episodes of Stalingrad I could do the screenplay before I give them the recordings, but that doesn't really change anything.
To summarize, this isn't fiction. This is history. You can't do everything else first, then script. You've got to script first, because the script is the research and narrative combined. I don't know all the events or the all the timeline until I've done the research first, which means creating a script.
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"No TiK. There is something preventing people from starting their own businesses: LIMITED RESOURCES, MAN."
Produce something that people want (demand) that nobody else is providing (supply). Anyone can do that. Doesn't have to be something big: it could be something like food, or baskets, or YouTube videos on niche topics, or whatever. There are limited resources, which is why people need to produce things - by starting their own businesses (I'm counting being self-employed as starting a business, although that technically isn't correct).
"Please, enlighten me, how would those people get resources for 'their new businesses'? And keep in mind. This is the industrial age. You need raw resources for the economy."
Buy seeds for food or flowers and plant them in a garden to sell. Buy a hammer and start crafting things to sell on eBay. Go out and start window cleaning (you need a bucket of water, some cleaning equipment, a sponge and a ladder). Offer to clean cars. Buy a camera to record your own videos. Take up knitting. Teach something. Bake cakes. DO SOMETHING.
Find something that's in demand and fulfill that demand. You don't have to build skyscrapers; start small and work hard.
"Also, what's with that bloody nonsense of 'capitalis is failing. That's not true'. Errm? The great depression of 1920s to 1930s? Ever heard of that?"
Ever heard of the "Roaring 20's"? The clue is in the name. Governments around the world spent spent spent spent spent - inflating a huge bubble which burst in 1929. Capitalism didn't "fail". Capitalism burst the socialist bubble. The Great Depression is proof that Socialism always fails.
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"Once again use an actual political compass not just this dumb left and right spectrum."
You cannot have a free economy in a authoritarian state, and you cannot have a centrally planned economy in a free political state. That's oxymoronic. If the King is in charge, then you're not economically free. If you can't leave the collective farm, you have no political freedom, even if the state was truly democratic. The political compass gives a false view of politics and economics.
"Fascists/NS also got much support from what we would in modern day call conservatives even though they had opposite economic ideas."
Most Marxists, including Marx, Lenin and Trotsky, were members of the bourgeoisie. In other words, they came from the "conservative" "class".
"The reason why is because they agreed with them on their other policies (i.e anti immigration, anti jew, pro nationalism, pro militarism)."
Would it surprise you if I told you that Conservatives (at least here in the UK) are socialists?
"You would understand this if you bothered to use a political compass."
I understand what you're saying. I understand your views, because I used to hold them too. But then I realized the true nature of it all. You haven't grasped what I'm saying or what my views are. When you do, you'll understand why I can't go back to the old socialist view of the world.
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There are 507.15 million Amazon shares right now, currently "issued by the company and in the hands of the public"
https://ycharts.com/companies/AMZN/shares_outstanding
While there are "insiders" (board directors and senior management) and these own 10.2% of the shares, there are 3,000 "institutional investors" (corporations with hundreds of thousands of people) which own 58.7% of the company, and the "General Public" (millions of people) which own 31% of the company as well.
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/insights/052816/top-4-amazon-shareholders-amzn.asp
https://audioeditorfree.com/how-many-shares-does-amazon-have/
So no, Amazon isn't a private company, and thus doesn't have private property. It's a public institution and has public property that's collectively owned by its millions of shareholders. Yes, you may not be able to walk into an Amazon warehouse, making it "private" in the sense that it's not accessible to its shareholders. But that doesn't make it "private property" in the economical sense, which is what we're referring to here. It is a public corporation, and thus has public property.
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Capitalism is private ownership. Since you must pay taxes on property, income and business revenue, that proves that you don't own your own property, income or business. You're only renting property from the State. You're a working slave to the State, which is why you have to pay them when you earn anything. And the business isn't yours, which is why they can dictate to you that you must pay minimum wage to you employees, or say how you have to run things via regulations. We don't have private ownership, we have State ownership.
Karl Marx himself defined capitalism as the system where money is chased for the sake of having money by the capitalists (Das Kapital volume 1). However, he also said that money (capital) is a commodity. Well, since we do not use commodity money (gold or silver) as our means of exchange, by Karl Marx's own definition, we do not have capital, and thus, cannot have capitalism.
Karl Marx also called for central banking in the Communist Manifesto. Why? Because he wanted to use a fiat currency system rather than money (gold and silver). That's where we are right now. We live in a fiat currency world - meaning that we live in a central planner world (Socialism).
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And if they're fully sourced, and I'm fully sourced, guess what that means? It means that this is an academic historical debate. And in such a debate, there's no room for insulting each other, or dismissing evidence, or calling each other "stupid", "pathetic", or "insane". It also means that there is no consensus (not that that matters anyway) and that the debate needs to be had on this subject, rather than ignoring it. So it isn't me that doesn't understand how this works, but you Jeff, and all the other socialist trolls who don't watch the videos either.
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Your definition of capitalism is incorrect. You're using the false Marxist definition of capitalism. I'm using the actual and historic definition. But yes, I'm the one who's "redefined" the term.
I'm a private individual. My property isn't mine because the State is constantly stealing my property from me. Well, if someone wants to steal my property, they'll have a hard time... I don't need a State to "enforce" anything on my behalf. In fact, if the State went away, I'd not only have more property and income (since my money wouldn't be stolen from me every month) and I'd have the freedom to purchase arms and defend myself. As Thomas Sowell explains, Britain is a "burglar's paradise" because the people are not allowed guns or to defend their property. I don't need the State to "enforce" private property, since it isn't doing that. Instead, I will enforce my own private property which is my natural right as a human being.
Also, profit is still made in a socialist society. It's just that what pathetically little profit is made in a socialist society is then stolen by the State from the people, and then withheld from the people in the name of the people. In Capitalism, profit can only be made if people provide other people with goods and services that other people want.
It's 'terrible' that people are getting paid for giving people goods and services that they want. And it's 'great' how the State is allowed to seize the wealth from the people, keep most of it, and then provide a few terrible services which they claim are "free". I point this out to people, and I'm the one who's "got it wrong", apparently... And then I get lectured all the old arguments which I used to believe in too about how the State is great, and how we all need expensive nationalized (but not real Nazi) socialist State health care, and how people will starve if we don't allow the State to steal 40% of wealth from the poor workers and redistribute that to the State in the name of the workers.
All I want is a better life for the poor - the very consumers I'm trying to service - and that makes me an evil capitalist. Well, I disagree https://youtu.be/L6Lw-QAHzk4
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"You're falsely attributing evan's evidence as supporting your argument and your narcissism is hearing what you want to hear."
If someone provides evidence of State State State State State, but concludes it's non-State, why would I believe their conclusions? Evans does exactly that - he provides tons of evidence of State control of the means of production (Socialism) and then concludes it's capitalism. Well, I'll take his evidence and use it, and explain why his interpretation of the evidence is incorrect. That's not narcissism. Saying 2+2=4 rather than 5 is not narcissism, it's simply correct.
"i've also read mein kampf."
Well done. So have I, as you would know if you actually watched the video.
"My stepdad's father was a pow in a nazi prison. He developed leukemia years later from malnutrition in the camps he was tortured in and it later killed him. I worked with the last great generation in an old folks home and was always fascinated enough to not be a narcissist, unlike you. You guys play the biggest victims bc you're a boomer that reaped the benefits of social programs that had the greatest gap analysis in any point in history."
Completely irrelevant, except it proves that you're relying upon emotions rather than logic and reason.
"Let me clear up your ideology. Capitalism..."
2+2=4 is not an ideology.
"If you're arguing that private corporations are in favor of socialism and against statists, you're brain dead."
They're in favour of socialism and are pro-State, since Socialism is the State and corporations are States. Corporations are not individuals (private) - they're hierarchies of societies (States). I've been over this in my Public vs Private video, which you would know if you actually had bothered to watch this video. Link to my Public vs Private video (which I know you won't watch, but here's to hoping you decide to listen to my argument) https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
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Only just seen this because of your recent replies. So in response to your original points -
1. Watch my Public vs Private video for a clear understanding as to why Socialism is the definition I've used https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
2. The NHS is a bloated mess, and is so bad that the government had to recently nationalize the remaining private sector, because apparently the NHS didn't have enough resources. As people clapped in the street in support of National Socialism, the monopoly continued to spout lie after lie, covering up systematic failings within the hierarchy itself. It has now been announced that NHS doctors were taking bribes from drug companies to sell their products to the NHS and make millions off of us tax slaves. The phrase "Don't Trust a Doctor" is now mainstream. And the NHS is incredibly more expensive than the alternatives https://youtu.be/0uPdkhMVdMQ
3. To put it crudely: group is a society, and a society is Socialism. Well, a gender-group is a society (a collective). And, since this particular society wants to control the means of production, it is socialist.
4. I'm not sure why you're even asking me to talk about them? But, since you asked, I guess I'll answer. I don't agree fully with everything they say, and I think Peterson and Sargon especially need to learn basic economics. Don't know as much about Molyneux as only watched a few videos, although I do know he's been cancelled. Peterson and Sargon have been smeared by the Leftwing Lamestream though. If you think Peterson or Sargon are Nazis, you have no idea what Nazis are.
5. I answered that within the first minute of this video. Me realizing that Hitler was a Socialist is what woke me up. I realized I'd been indoctrinated by the Leftwing State miseducation system, and fed a bunch of lies that said Capitalism was evil and was doomed to collapse. At first, I didn't look into Capitalism. In fact, I just released my original videos on Hitler's Socialism. But when everyone started accusing me of reading Mises and Rothbard, I decided to take a look at them. Once I did, I realized there was no going back to the old lies.
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In that scenario, it wouldn't be individualism because you're surrendering your individualism to the collective "racial group". In the example you give (which is the way the National Socialist would probably argue it), the collective "race" still exists, and thus the "individuals" in society lose their individual sovereignty to it. Therefore they're not individuals any more, since they supposedly belong to "the blood". Even if the group embraces the idea of survival of the fittest, and declares themselves to be individuals, that's not individualism, since they're admitting that a racial group exists to which they supposedly are a part of. Well, if they're part of "the blood", then they have the "soul" of "the blood" (to use Himmler's terminology) and are no longer individuals. Individualism renders any "racial group" void, since individuals are not groups.
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@jonathanmason3495 "And it wasn't a gaslight TIK, I had a very dear friend pass away not too long ago and before he took his own life he ended up jumping down a rabbit hole of "cultural marxism" and white replacement theory. It is genuine concern, because the video subject and portions demonising established institutions reminds me very much of him."
I'm genuinely sorry to hear about your friend. It is depressing that a lot of people are convinced that Socialism is a good thing (and as an ex-Socialist, I can say that I was one of them). However, I wouldn't call it a "rabbit hole". I knew that my professors were Marxists when I was at college and university, and they were teaching us that Socialism was the way forward, and at the time I believed them. Many others are having the exact same experience, as a lot of my friends, family, and viewers have said. So, this isn't a "rabbit hole" - it is actually the case. No professor should be convincing kids and young adults that Socialism is a 'good' thing, and yet many are.
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"And you also pretty much parrot Hitler when he rejected Strasser's arguments in that debate."
Did you know that Strasser was also massively influenced by the Socialist concept of the Shrinking Markets, just like Hitler, Luxemburg and Bukharin? (Source: Zitelmann, "Hitler: The Policies of Seduction," p276.) Yes, Strasser was more about the violent revolution rather than Hitler's 'legal' revolution, which is why they fell out (Zitelmann, "Hitler: The Policies of Seduction," p65-66.). It had nothing to do with one being a Socialist and the other not being. Strasser was more like the USPD (Independent Socialists + Spartacists) and Hitler was more like the MSPD (Majority Social Democrats) during the November 1918 Revolution and Spartacist Uprising. That's what the difference was about and why Hitler rejected Strasser.
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"It seems strange to say collective means state.
Mainly, at what point is it collective enough to be the state?"
Again, as I said in the video, I've been over this in depth in the Public vs Private video https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
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"Is Facebook a state as it is a publically ran organization, or is it still private because they are just shareholders?"
It is collectively owned by its shareholders, which is why it's Public. Think about it - is it an individual (private), or is it an public organ-ization? "Organ" - "body" -"corpse" - "corporation". Clearly it's a corporation, and thus is 'public', which in turn makes it a collective.
The collective is the state. Facebook has authority over its users. It is a community that "regulates its interchange with nature" to use a Karl Marx quote. It isn't the central state, but it is an internet state.
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"To me, State has held an important feature, the allowed or sanctioned use of violence and force."
YouTube can forcefully terminate my channel without warning or reason. Facebook can delete your page. The terms and conditions you sign are threats of violence and force.
They're also funded by the stock market, which is funded by the central banks and governments (tax and inflation). Tax is the forceful and dishonest appropriation of another person's wealth, and inflation is a hidden tax that stealthily steals your purchasing power and wealth. So, these companies are profiting via the theft of other people's private property.
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""One particular person OR GROUP OF PEOPLE".
Clearly it isn't synonymous with "individual"."
Again, I said this. An individual or small family like group. This is backed up in the Public vs Private video by historical sources showing that it meant small group rather than large group.
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"the part of the economy that is run by individuals and companies for profit and is not state controlled. Therefore, it encompasses all for-profit businesses that are not owned or operated by the government. "
(Investopedia)
How does e.g. McDonalds not fall under the private sector?"
It doesn't, it's public https://corporate.mcdonalds.com/corpmcd/investors/stock-information.html
Also, it's not run by individuals. It's collectively owned by its shareholders, it's operated collectively by hundreds of thousands of people. It is a hierarchy (a public), not an individual (a private).
Also, I will point out that Investopedia's definition not only contradicts the Oxford English dictionary, and Cambridge Dictionary, and also all the historical evidence, but also itself. What part of the economy is not run by "individuals"? Even in a purely socialist economy, every part of the economy would be run by "individuals". A worker collective would still have individuals within it, so this is a sloppy definition that breaks all logical sense.
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Because you're using the incorrect definitions. The word 'Private' means an 'individual' - as in an individual human being. Historically, it also meant a small family-like group. It also meant non-State, which includes non-collective, non-syndicate, non-trade union, and non-corporation. Therefore, a corporation is inherently public, a mini-society if you will, even if it's not the Central State.
Another way to think about it - a tribe is a mini-nation State, even if it's only got a handful of people in it. What makes it a State is the fact that it's a public. Whereas, an individual hut within the tribe would be classed as a private abode. When it comes to our times, an individual house or corner shop is classed as private. But when thousands of people come together, that's classed as a public. A corporation isn't an individual house or corner shop, it's thousands of people coming together to form a societal structure (a hierarchy), which is a public. They're also collectively owned by their shareholders, just like McDonalds has been since 1965, and Amazon is now.
Again, I've shown the historical definitions here in the Public vs Private video https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y and I again explained this in a different way in response to the two guys who, like you, challenged me and refused to accept the historical definitions https://youtu.be/8rWnuuEN024
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I replied to your other comment explaining this. McDonald's isn't an individual, and therefore cannot be in private control, since private means individual.
The corporations do not control me, yet I'm part of the private sector. Millions of self-employed people are not controlled by the corporations. The local council is also called "the corpy" here in the UK, because the idea of corporations is just the fascist word for syndicates, and worker's councils (Soviets). The State is one giant monopoly corporation.
Yet despite all this, you say the corporations are in control and are all private. Ha. So the State Corporation can never be a public then? You're honestly saying that 'worker' Socialism cannot ever be, since a 'class' is a 'public', and publics cannot be publics, otherwise the State Corporation would be classed as a public, which you have rejected. In other words, according to you, workers' corporations (Soviets, councils, syndicates whatever you want to call them) can never be public?
And if the corporations are private sector, why do they call them publicly owned corporations? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_company
And see the American definition here. https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/public-corporation
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Top tip: only read the parts that are relevant to whatever it is you're looking into. A cynic may say that this is "cheating" or "lazy" or whatever. However, history theory (and reality) tells us that we only have a limited time on this Earth, and we can't possibly consume all the materials available to us. Therefore we must specialize on certain topics. That's why, if a book talks about both the European and Pacific Theatres, I ignore the sections on the Pacific. Or, if the book talks about naval warfare (which I don't cover) as well as the land war, I skip the naval parts. There are many books I've used hundreds of times now, yet haven't read the non-relevant sections.
Arguably this is more the power of specialization. Know what you want to achieve and ignore or get rid of all the other things in your way.
Also, working several hours everyday, with few breaks, with culminate in a vast amount of words read... and then lead to burnout haha 👍
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Yup. It's 100% an algorithm suppression, and their own analytics show it. This video, and other recent ones, have the same "click-through" rate as any of my other videos, meaning that when the videos are recommended to people, people are clicking on the video as normal. The question then is, why are the views on certain videos lower than normal? And the answer is because: the algorithm simply hasn't recommended them to people.
Worse, this phenomenon is so totally random that there's no way to predict it. Previous videos have flopped simply because the algorithm randomly decided not to tell anyone about the videos. My subscribers have complained about not being notified numerous times, despite having the bell icon fully clicked. One video on a particular topic can get a million views, and another video on the same topic (even better made videos) will get next to nothing. Some of the videos on Oswald Mosley, the Weimar Republic, Hitler, or certain Battlestorms, just performed awfully for zero reason, while others did exceptionally well.
It's so random that it's not possible to blame it on titles or thumbnails or something, because as I say, the click-through rates can be fine (or even higher than normal in some cases) yet it gets fewer views. In some cases, videos that get a lower click-through rate end up getting recommended more by the algorithm. It almost seems like they're deliberately pushing my bad videos.
And frustratingly from my perspective, several times now I've worked exceptionally hard on a video, only to have the algorithm kill it. All that hard work down the drain. This is why "easy" content like this is actually better in a lot of ways. If it flops, oh well, I only spent 3 or 4 hours on it. If it does well, great. But I can spend multiple weeks on the other videos, hundreds of hours, only for them to get suppressed. This is why many content creators just create "easy" content rather than put a ton of effort into their videos, and I don't blame them at all.
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"This is the second time you talk about overly centralized planning of distribution making the situation worse"
This is not the second time I've said this - I've covered it loads of times! Here's a list of videos where I've documented this (there may even be more) -
“Send us Wheat or Coffins” | The Axis Occupation of Greece WW2 https://youtu.be/oT2NPAoXeSk
Did the Soviet Union EVER Recover from WW2? https://youtu.be/kPVo9w79D6w
Public vs Private | The Historic Definitions of Socialism & Capitalism https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y (About halfway through, I talked about Lenin centrally controlling the Soviet economy...)
The Rations and Fate of the Civilians at the Siege of Leningrad https://youtu.be/nnyJ-qlzZGk
"I wonder if anyone ever got it right or managed to get a unregulated market sort itself out"
Centralized planning basically shuts down an economy and makes the situation a lot worse, which is why I mention it. In a free market, if a harvest fails, you'd just import food from elsewhere, which you can't do in a closed, centralized economy. Plus, rising food prices will give incentives producers to produce more food (since they'd be rewarded for doing so), and cause consumers to cut back on buying food. This will prevent 'hoarding', reduce shortages, and also ration out the food more evenly, reducing the likelihood of more people starving. (This is what socialists seem to misunderstand: free market prices are a ration system.)
Of course, a common argument is that, if a State is at war, you couldn't just get more food from abroad. And that's correct. If the State (which is Socialism) takes you to war, then I don't see how that can be blamed on Capitalism (non-State).
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Wow that was an interesting read! Yes, history theory (which I've covered here https://youtu.be/PvpJEc-NxVc ) says we use the scientific method AS WELL AS interpretation of the sources. Interpretation requires logic and reasoning, which is what I adhere to. Unlike Marx, I believe that if something contradicts itself or another point already made, then this is an indication that something is wrong or distorted. The narrative of Hitler being a Capitalist doesn't even make logical sense, and certainly isn't backed up by the evidence.
I like that TimeGhost is just dismissing the sources, rather than refute what they say. This is a classic Socialist technique of ignoring evidence that contradicts their own narrative. Sure, the evidence I present might be incorrect, but that is why we debate it. When many people brought up that "Against the Mainstream" article as "proof" that Hitler privatized the industries, I didn't just dismiss it. I spent several minutes in the video dissecting it and pulling it apart, showing why it was flawed and contradicted other sources. If TimeGhost wishes to refute what I say, then they also need to do this. Dismissing someone's argument without actually addressing it, doesn't work.
And I agree. Socialism is similar to a religious cult. Facts, logic and reason don't matter. All that matters is faith.
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"YUGOSLAVIA SPLIT INTO 6 NEW COUNTRIES, TODAY FAR MORE HOMOGENIC THAN THEY USED TO BE;"
Yes, but not until WW2 or the end of the Cold War (1989)
"HUNGARY WAS, BESIDES AUSTRIA, THE MOST HOMOGENIC OF NEWLY FORMED COUNTIRES AFTER THE END OF WW1"
The sources I have said it had massive minorities within Hungary, and both of these nations had lots of Jews in them too (at least, prior to the end of WW2).
"SO REALLY ONLY A FEW MINORITIES REMAINED WITHIN HUNGARY AT THAT TIME;"
The books I have actually talk about how they were oppressing the minorities within Hungary with "Magyarization"
"IN EUROPEAN CONTEXT A NATION IS A GROUP OF PEOPLE SPEAKING THE SAME LANGUAGE;"
Again, this is hotly debated, with the sources I have saying that this may have been the case in 1848, but it certainly isn't the case today.
"YUGOSLAVAS ARE LINGUISTICALLY EXTREMLY CLOSELY RELATED AND ITS A MATTER OF ARBITRATION, DEFYING THE CONECPT OF EUROPEAN NATIONALSIM,"
Exactly, so it doesn't make sense for the Croatian and Serbian 'nationalists' to create Yugoslavia
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+bakters - It does take a lot of work, yes :) ultimately I want Battlestorm to be like no other documentaries out there, which is why I'm putting so much effort into them (especially Stalingrad). Want it to be right, so got to do the work.
Stalingrad's a bit different than the others I've done, simply because it's a much bigger battle (actually, I'd call it a campaign) and it's a much longer battle than anything else I've done. The only other battle that might be bigger would be the entirety of Barbarossa, so once I've made this at least we'll know I'll be able to do anything. Market Garden was approximately 28,000 words, and that was two hours long. If this is anywhere near the 260,000+ words it is now when I've finished it, then we're talking over 24+ hours on this one "battle". I suspect it'll be longer than that.
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"Being able to see how both sides made mistakes and had bad luck is more relatable than stories where everything goes well (except, of course, when it's a lucky timing that nobody foresaw- then it's equally surprising to the audience)"
You're going to love Crusader ;)
"I'm just happy that this is about a forgotten, but important, part of the war."
Yes, I think that's important! I think Crusader is an amazing battle. Certainly, I would describe it as a "unique" battle in history. By episode 7 or 8, you will see why. And I can't wait until it's finally finished so I can rewatch the whole thing from start to scratch and see it all in motion. It's one thing seeing it in a script and imagining it in your head, and another seeing it in motion. Hopefully, once it's all done, and people see just how interesting this battle is, people will recommend it to others and we'll have more people talking about it. It deserves to be talked about in my opinion.
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"Regardless he is still a historian."
I disagree. He is a distorian - someone who deliberately distorts history.
"This is exemplified in your narrative which is pretty identical to a chapter in the book I mentioned previously."
Have you considered that perhaps my sources used the same sources he did? Or that he used the same books and sources that I've used?
"I mean you no ill will. I only wish to make you think laterally instead of being closed minded."
You don't mean me ill will, but you're promoting David Irving for no reason in a comment section of a video that has nothing to do with the Holocaust. And why exactly am I being closed minded? I've used every other source I could find on the North African Campaign, regardless whether I agree with them or not (e.g. 'Panzer Battles' by von Mellenthin). Surely you realize I want to make my videos as accurate as possible and that I will avoid using the books written by someone that was proven in court to deliberately distort evidence to suit their racist-socialist agenda?
"Believe me, you do not need a degree in "history" to be a historian."
I agree. But it's not his lack of a degree that's the reason David Irving should not be trusted.
And now it's my turn. Why are you suddenly bringing up David Irving in this video? David Irving wasn't mentioned at all in the video, and has no relevance to any discussion at all. Mentioning this distorian makes no sense within the context.
I suspect the reason you've brought him up is to promote him. People reading this will think "who is David Irving?" "Why is TIK so against him?" And they'll go away and look him up and potentially be recruited to the cause. So, instead of discussing relevant historians like Pitt, Butler and Playfair, we're now discussing someone who is completely irrelevant to the North African Campaign. And then, here you are about to claim that you're defending David Irving against the mean-old 'establishment' (like me, which isn't the case) who are trying to paint him as someone who is bad, simply because he 'actually' has 'the truth'. You will appear to be 'fighting for a cause' in the eyes of those reading this.
Well, sorry, but that's not going to wash. The reality is, I'm not part of the 'establishment'. I'm independent of it. I don't work for a university or any other company. I'm 100% independant, thanks to my Patreons. And if there was some sort of 'truth' that had to be said, I think I've proven many times that I'm the guy who will come out and say it. I've said Gavin of the 82nd Airborne was at fault for Market Garden, against the grain. I've gone against the grain and stated that the Germans didn't have this amazing unbeatable army, nor were they necessarily outnumbered or swamped by Soviet riflemen and numbers alone. More recently I've even come out and taken a massive hit from the Marxists when I said National Socialism was Socialism (which it absolutely is). And I've done that because it's quite clear to me that the Holocaust happened and it was central to the socialism that Hitler had. To deny the Holocaust is to deny that Hitler started the war - it was central to the reason he went to war in the first place.
So, unlike what David Irving has said, the Holocaust happened, there is no grand Jewish conspiracy to take over the world (which, interestingly, it's exactly what Hitler thought too), and anyone who deliberately distorts history in order to deny an event like the Holocaust for the simple reason that they see the world as a group of races, is not someone anyone should trust. All this is why I'm not using his books (until I come to show his distortions) and why I don't want to hear about David Irving or any other Holocaust denialist in the comments section of videos that aren't relevant to that discussion.
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"Adam Smith and every economist on the planet defines economic value..."
They used to define value as "labour", but that was wrong. Just eight years after Marx's Communist Manifesto, the Austrian Economists realised that value wasn't "labour" but was subjective, and since this was correct, ever since then economists have used the Subjective Theory of Value. The Labour Theory of Value is old, incorrect and completely out of touch with reality.
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"In Marxism, the surplus value also counts for the amount that the worker is paid."
There is no such thing as surplus value.
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"Karl Marx thinks that all of that should go to the workers, and not the capitalist"
Yes, he wants to give all the money to the Aryans not the Jews, just like Hitler.
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"I say it with total confusion... Because I am confused how you could read Marx, find a "dark truth to his meaning", and yet miss all the obvious things you were meant to understand by reading him."
You're confused because you're not listening. It's not that I don't understand Marx - I was a socialist. I fully understand what Marx is saying. The difference is that I DISAGREE with what Marx says, because I'm now better educated in economics and history than I was when I was a socialist. I can see through the lies and expose the anti-Semitism inherent within the doctrine. That's why you're confused because you believed that you were "the good guy". No sir, you're the Nazi that you hate so much, you just don't realise it.
Again, when I realised that Socialism was inherently anti-Semitic, I abandoned the faith. I encourage you to do the same. I know it's scary to challenge your own world-view, but realise that Socialism is a lie. It doesn't help the workers, it hinders them. It empowers the rich and the corporations. You just think it helps the poor, but it doesn't. It's actually a mask designed to hurt everyone (the poor, the middle-income earners, and the Jews) in favour of the rich and powerful.
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"Nationalisation of assets isn’t socialist."
Yes it is. It's the socialisation of the means of production. That's literally where the name "socialism" comes from.
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"State intervention in the economy isn’t socialist either, because by that definition every single economy in human history would have been socialist."
I'm not saying the Roman Empire socialised the means of production.
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"but if a profit incentive remains the market remains capitalist in its function."
Right. So the Nazis were socialist then, because that's what they were aiming to abolish.
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"TIK definition of free market sounds like all or nothing Laissez-faire economics, with everything else being socialism."
No, socialism is, and always has been, the social ownership of the means of production. If the State socialises the means of production, then that's socialism. Don't confuse my anti-Statism with anti-Socialism. While there is overlap, they are not the same thing.
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"TIK is again confusing collectivism with socialism. Socialism is collectivist, but that doesn’t make every collectivist system socialist."
No, the "collective" is a social group. Socialism and collectivism and communism, and many other isms, are just synonyms. This was how it was before 1917. Then Lenin came along and socialism failed, so the socialists split into various factions, and that's where you get the differences from. But I don't care about the minor distinctions - socialism is what it is.
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"This is basic political theory and it’s hard to understand how TIK keeps making this misreading..."
It's not a misreading. I'm DISAGREEING with you. That's not the same as "misreading".
I'm stating that you are wrong, and that socialism is what it is. You can disagree, double-down on your nonsense and call it "misreading" all you like, but I'm not going to back down because the EVIDENCE IS OVERWHELMING. Socialism is social ownership of the means of production.
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"The Nazi state only served itself making its elite both an economic and political elite."
Exactly! All socialisms are just the same! I've said it before and I'll say it again: socialism doesn't benefit the poor or the workers. Socialists pretend it does, but it doesn't. It's a scam.
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"The history of state intervention in the economy is long in Germany, and had its “official start” during Bismarck who is considered the father of the German welfare state."
Yes, which is also the reason why the SPD couldn't implement "full-socialism" in 1918 or 1919 during the German Revolution - because they already knew that socialism had failed during WW1. The Germans had socialised their industries in WW1, and socialism had failed. They were called out for it, and that's why, when they got into power, the Social Democrats did absolutely nothing. They couldn't, because they had to deny what socialism was and pretend it was something else. Except it's not. Socialism is social ownership of the means of production.
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"...Bismarck who is considered the father of the German welfare state."
Oh, so when Bismarck does it, it's socialism. But when the Nazis do it, it's not socialism. Gotya.
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"The only thing that changed with the Nazis was that the industrialists now had to swear loyalty and subserviency to the new German state."
Yes, a state which was socialist and for the GERMAN WORKERS, hence the name National Socialist German Workers' Party.
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It's rare to see someone admit they made a mistake, so I would like to say thank you for that! If I could shake your hand, I would do.
However, I will fully admit that I'm a former socialist, and there are former socialists in the Austrian School of Economics. While you might see this as an issue, it actually holds many advantages. I have a friend who has never been a socialist, and he gets frustrated sometimes and says "why don't the Left not see the flaws in their own narrative - it's so obvious!" But when I explain to him how a Leftist sees the world, he then understands why they don't see the flaws in their argument, and realizes it's not because they're stupid, or evil, or anything like that. He understands that they have been tricked, miseducated, and outright lied to. Instead of being angry at them, he then becomes sympathetic, which is a good thing.
Now, he's not an Austrian and he's not interested in economics as a whole; he's just looking at it from a perspective of trying to work hard, earn money and pay as little tax as possible, which is fair enough. But my point here is that, just because someone has changed their mind, or has taken the Redpill (which is how I describe it) and sees the world for how it really is, doesn't mean that they've got no integrity, or that they're wishy-washy etc. No, it means that they hold the truth above all else.
I stopped being a socialist when I saw the evidence of Hitler's Socialism and had an epiphany - Socialism is Racism, Racism is Socialism. Upon seeing that truth, there was no going back (to remain a socialist would mean I would have to embrace racism, which I obviously wasn't willing to do). After the backlash, people accused me of reading Mises, so I got curious and discovered that the Austrian School was completely different than what I'd been told by the Left. While I don't fully agree with Mises and Rothbard in all respects, I have to say that the two of them are intellectual heavyweights. Perhaps the word "geniuses" is too much, but they're above and beyond anything I've seen elsewhere, like from Thomas Sowell (who I think is brilliant, and he was an ex-socialist too, but just not on the same level as Mises and Rothbard).
My point is to say that someone admitting that they used to be wrong, and changing their mind, is actually a sign of strength, not a bad thing. So if someone is a former Communist, or a former Socialist, or whatever, then that's actually a sign of sincerity.
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The reason it's called the "Austrian School of Economics" is because that's where Mises came from. Mises was Jewish and fled the Nazis after the Anschluss of Austria, and moved to the USA. However, Mises was a pro-free market guy (more so than even the classic liberals). I'm sure there were communists in Austria, and there definitely were Fascists, but Mises was neither. If you read his book "Socialism" written in 1922, it crushes Socialism and Communism. His book "Omnipotent Government" crushes Socialism, Communism, Fascism and Nazism all at the same time. The Austrian School isn't Communist in the slightest - they're about as anti-Communist, anti-Socialist and anti-Fascist+Nazi as you can get.
I'm not fond of the name "Austrian School", and I can see why it's confusing to people. Leads people to wrong conclusions. Really it should be the "Freedom School" or something. But yeah, don't let the name put you off. They also aren't nationalists either - they have no affiliation with Austria. It's only because that's where the movement originated.
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We live in a capitalist world right now, correct? Yet, the market isn't free. We've got copious amounts of state taxes, state laws, state regulations, minimum wages, interest manipulations, currency printing... and loads more distortions and interventions by the state. So, if the free market is capitalism, how can you call this capitalism? We don't have capitalism, since the market isn't free. Yet you think this is capitalism?
Clearly then, there must be a separation between the term capitalism and the free market. Thus, I'm for the free market, not capitalism.
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"They were active in both sides."
History is the study of the human condition. This is why Mises (who was Jewish) called his book "Human Action", because humans act - that's part of the human condition.
So, of course Jewish people were active on both sides! They acted/reacted to what was going on. When the Nazis took over, many Jews fled to the west. Mises fled when they invaded Austria, and they burnt his library down. So, they influenced other governments and Jewish communities in the west, who then acted/reacted to what was going on.
BUT this doesn't mean it's some sort of 'grand conspiracy' or coordinated action. They didn't operate as a group, they operated as individuals placed within a particular environment, and then acted/reacted accordingly. This is similar to the concept of the free market. People go to shops and buy things all the time. It's not coordinated though. They don't all go to the same shops, or buy the same things. We're not acting collectively, but individually within our given surroundings.
"...we must realize that all actions are performed by individuals. A collective operates always through hte intermediary of one or several individuals whose actions are related to the collective as the secondary source." - Mises, Human Action, P42.
"We can see a crowd, i.e., a multitude of people. Whether this crowd is a mere gathering or a mass (in the sense in which this term is used in contemporary psychology) or an organized body or any other kind of social entity is a question which can only be answered by understanding the meaning which they themselves attach to their presence. And this meaning is always the meaning of individuals. Not our senses, but understanding, a mental process, makes us recognize social entities." - Mises, "Human Action," P43.
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The socialist police are a community mob. The reason medical services in the USA are changing so much is because you no longer have a free market in health care https://youtu.be/0uPdkhMVdMQ
The NHS doesn't need reform, it needs dissolving. And the Public sector is the State. Society is the State, hence the word "Social-ism" meaning State control. And before you argue that it doesn't mean that, you've just spent this entire comment section arguing for State control, so yes it does. Socialism and Public control are the same thing, as the video you're commenting on shows.
Sharia law is a public law, not private law. In a free market, the individual decides whether to obey the rules that others are trying to impose upon him. Since he owns his own body (his own private property), he can decide whether to obey or not. A Socialist law system will simply impose laws upon him, since his body doesn't belong to him, it belongs to the social group (the State).
The Mafia isn't private. It's not a small family group, or an individual. It's an example of a public body vying for power from another public body.
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The means of production for the NHS is health - either medicine, doctors, beds, ambulances... You could argue that it provides a service rather than a good, but in economic terms that's still a means of production. So because the NHS is nationalized, the means of production are in the public sector.
The courts, police, and prisons are publicly owned, and again, are socialist. We don't have a private court system, or a private prison or police services. We have a publicly owned system. (You may find this video interesting https://youtu.be/hY5OYdGevAQ )
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Not CtrlAlt Debug, but I'll give this a shot.
"The only system which would be normal and truly humanist in nature, is when everyone would work for benefits of community, rather than for themselves."
Only by giving things to others will they give you money in return. You have to fulfill their needs, and they will reward you for doing that. Working hard for your community is called capitalism.
Socialism is elitist in nature (centralized control). It creates state-monopoly (corporations, or bureaucracy), and creates "leaches" (to use your own term) by removing incentives for people to actually work for their community. Why work when there's no incentive to do so? You see this at minimum wage - hard workers are paid the same as lazy workers, which is why hard workers despise lazy workers and often times slow down their own pace of work to match the lazy worker's pace. Since there's no incentive to work faster than the slowest worker, why work faster?
"For example, in theory, communism is close to perfection."
Working all day for no reason or reward. I agree, it's the perfect nightmare. No wonder humanity doesn't want it.
"In practice, anarcho-capitalism is a paradox."
Individual workers working for their community without a government preventing them from doing so. I'm not sure there's a paradox there. Capitalism is not monopolistic as I showed in the video. The only reason you think it is is because you think corporations are capitalism. Corporations are not capitalism. I also addressed why Anarcho-Syndicalism was a paradox in the video so I would encourage you to watch it fully if you didn't finish it.
"after some time of filtering and battle for profit, a new structure will arise and try to establish total control (monopoly)."
1. it won't be a monopoly if everyone else has rights and freedoms.
2. if you don't want a monopoly, why are you pro-state?
3. you're assuming I'm an anarcho-capitalist, which I'm not.
I recognize that some sort of state will emerge from total anarchy. So my view is that we need to hold the state to the same standards we hold the rest of society. If it's wrong to steal from others, then taxation and inflation should be outlawed. If I'm not allowed to murder someone, then a state should not be able to either. If I'm not allowed to fraudulently print my own currency, then the central banks are not allowed to either.
Just like we do with other entities in the economy, we should have the option to voluntarily give our money to a state if we think it's doing a good job, and refuse to if it's not. Under such a system, states would have an incentive to actually do what's best for the populace, rather than do what's in their own interests. If they failed, they would collapse and be replaced with a better state. Currently, states can do a bad job over and over, and they continue to exist (e.g. the British government).
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"When you say Socialism you exclude workers co-operatives and the British Co-operative Wholesale Society?"
Is two-girls one-cup real socialism?
A small group of workers working together is not socialism. That's just a very bad way of running a business. You can tell it's a bad way of running a business, otherwise all businesses would be running it that way, which they don't, and those that didn't would struggle to compete. In reality, "cooperatives" are inefficient and unfair, which is why they struggle to retain their managers and employees.
If it's a large corporation which classifies itself as a cooperative, but has shareholders, then that's part of the public sector. If then all of society was a "cooperative" (aka, Corporatism) then that would be socialism (either Fascist or Marxist, depending on if it's a cooperative on the national level, or a cooperative on the international level).
"When you say Capitalism you exclude big bs and bivg government "
Yes, since Capitalism is Private Sector control of the economy, and corporations and governments are Public Sector entities.
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"A capitalist business can only be a small business, a big business is not capitalist, it is a state?"
Basically, yes. Capitalism is 'private' (individual or small-family group) control of the economy, and thus small businesses and self-employed individuals (who are free to operate independently and naturally without restrictions) would be classed as capitalist. Big business is no longer individual or a small-family, and thus isn't 'private'. Big business is a hierarchy, and thus a 'public'. A Public is a State.
If you think about it, working in a corporation is like working for the government - complete with internal politics, miscommunications, and a chain of command.
"I know you have covered this but to me a state is a government, or it could be a region like a US state?"
Yes, and that's correct. Now imagine that the US government was called something like 'Law Inc'. The only difference between it and another corporation is the money-making business it's dealing in.
"So a truly Capitalist country would consist of only small businesses like shops or small factories maybe?"
Short answer: yes. But technically, a free market economy doesn't prevent 'Publics' (States) from existing. So Publics and States can emerge in such an economy.
"What if you needed something big like a shipyard or a place to build planes or trains, or cars, mass production, like the big textile Mills we had, would they be capitalist or not?"
Big businesses can emerge from the free market, should the natural demand exist. (Big businesses these days are propped up by regulation and central bank money printing.)
Now, does big business count as capitalist? Probably not. Hundreds or thousands of people organized in a Public State is not capitalist. The economy as a whole could still be classed as capitalist though, so long as there was no forceful theft or enslavement (tax, inflation, slavery etc).
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"To call Milton Friedman a socialist or to call him in some senses against capitalism for supporting a role of the state in supporting the rights of such entities, doesn't feel right. Not that you have said this, but it seems a logical consequence of what you are saying."
Yeah, this is you jumping to conclusions, and I disagree with you on this statement. So let me clarify.
Milton Friedman was a good economist, and I think he was right in a lot of regards. However, with regard to corporations, Friedman (and many other capitalists, including many Austrian economists too) are mistaken. This doesn't mean that they're not 'real' capitalists or anything like that, it just means that they didn't look into the origin of the words, or the meaning of the words that they used. They said they were for capitalism (private control), and believed that corporations were capitalist. Well, that's just an honest mistake, they're not capitalist.
That's why this video is important - it clarifies the words. It's not an accusation against those capitalists who don't realize that corporations (corpus = body = public = state) cannot be private (non-state), rather it's meant to educate and clarify to everyone that capitalists should not be in favour of corporations because corporations are not capitalist.
So in no way am I accusing Friedman or anyone else of being a Socialist for thinking corporations are capitalist. This is just a correction to this false belief.
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I read every comment! I may not have time to reply to them all, but I do read them :)
I'm glad you took the time to write all of that. I'll pick out some points.
The British deciding to hold out after Dunkirk is a critical one, with the blockade by the Royal Navy being the main factor. Whether it is the "turning point" of the war or not is up for debate, but preventing oil shipments coming into Germany meant that the European Axis powers had to do something before their oil ran dry (athough it's worth noting that their food and other resources were limited too). Whether Hitler should or should not have crushed the British at Dunkirk is a debate I don't know enough about. But I do think it's interesting that if the USA hadn't been so clearly on the British side prior to 1941, the war may have been different. If the USA had decided to remain purely neutral (not fake neutral, as it actually was), then how would things have turned out? Britain was bankrupt in 1941 and entirely reliant on the USA. It could have been a close-run thing.
When I said Hitler wasn't mad, I just meant about some of his decisions. He was clearly a very evil man, and probably quite mad in 1945 - but who wouldn't be when you're facing defeat as well as your own demise?
I'll counter your point about WW1 by saying that Hitler's views on WW1 are still relevant. Even if it was a myth that the Germany army wasn't defeated, these were Hitler's views, so it's still a valid point.
And I haven't studied the Italian fleet in great detail, but I do know that it was suffering from the fuel crisis. They clearly had enough fuel to do some things, but as you point out, as the war went on they became constrained by morale and the lack of fuel.
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Also, taxation is both theft and slavery. If you have no choice, you are not free. If you're not free, you are a slave. Do you have a choice whether to pay your taxes or not? Of course not. And thus you do not own your person, nor your property (you're just renting it off the State). If you stop paying your taxes (rent), then you lose your property, any 'freedom' you may have had (imprisonment), and even your life (depending on the whim of your particular government).
As section 3, paragraph 5 of the 2015 Slavery Act makes clear, being forced, threatened or deceived into providing a service, or benefits of any kind, is exploitation and thus slavery. Taxation is exactly that.
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"I love these. Very interesting, especially since I disagree."
Great! Keep questioning!
"If I had to find one thing, it’s, printing money is not stealing, it’s taxation 😉 which is different, if in a democracy we actually collectively decide what we want to spend it on. Streets, Healthcare, Public Transportation, Social Security are all incredible luxuries I gladly pay for."
But I didn't decide anything, and I'm certainly deciding against paying for the terribly overpriced and completely awful 'luxuries' that the government provides (which you listed). The State roads are awful, which is why toll roads in the UK are much better. The National Socialist Health Service (NHS) is a bloated bureaucratic mess that's an expensive waste of money. It's providing a terrible service to its patients, yet I'm forced to pay for it, when I could put my money in cheaper and better alternatives https://youtu.be/0uPdkhMVdMQ
Public transportation is terrible, which is why I don't use it, yet I'm forced to pay for it. Social security is an absolute disgrace, with entire generations being paid by the taxpayer to sit around doing nothing except watch daytime tv and voting for socialism. As I mentioned to someone else, I know a social worker who's had to take abused kids off the crack addicts, who's addiction, house and lifestyle the government funded through "social benefits". Why on earth would I support such a corrupt and dishonest system? I wouldn't if I had a choice.
There is no democracy; it's the tyranny of the state in the name of the people. There is no 'collective'. Only power.
"And please don’t stick to tanks."
Okay :)
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"I hope I am misunderstanding this, the US needed these things (minus the camps dear god the internment camps) to win the war. If we don't win the war, we can't exactly ensure prosperity for our citizens."
The point was that people claim that building things makes you more prosperous. Thus, the logic is that military spending is good for the economy because you build lots of tanks and planes and ships. The problem is that that's absolutely not the case. Building ships and then sinking them in the ocean doesn't make wealth. So yes, these things were needed for the war, but it's false to then claim that the things built to win the war also "got America out of the Great Depression". They did not, as Higgs explains.
"You can't defend yourself with a privately ran military."
I completely disagree, but I'm not going to get into this argument here because I don't have the time right now.
"you seem to hold gold on this strange pedestal."
Come back on Wednesday. I have a video coming out explaining what causes recessions which will hopefully provide you with the context needed to understand why I prefer actual money (gold) to currency (paper).
"It can't be eaten, can't be used to build proper structures or goods the same way other metals can. It is simply a "shiny thing" that looks pretty."
Paper currency can't be eaten, or used as building materials, and looks nice. The difference is that gold preserves your wealth, whereas currency doesn't. (Again, come back on Wednesday for explanation)
"Lastly, I would like to hear your opinion on labor unions."
Complete waste of time. Here's why https://youtu.be/jElVTVLMknw
"they are technically a free market element."
Absolutely. I'm not advocating banning them. In fact, I'd encourage all my critics and rivals to join unions. With them shackled by the union, I'll be happy to out-compete them.
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"I amorally sick of people misinterpreting what he means by " I don't like Socialism"."
I'm not sure they've entirely misinterpreted my views. To clarify, I'm against socialism because it's forceful control of the individual. If government was run like any other business, and wasn't based on force (e.g. taxation was voluntary, just like paying a shop money for goods is voluntary), then I wouldn't necessarily be against it - I'd only be against those governments which then failed to provide services that I've paid for, like all current governments.
"There are many variants of socialism and one can has socialist policies in a free market capitalist society."
If you have socialist policies, you don't have a free market. E.g. if the State dictates that guns are illegal, then the market for guns is no longer free.
"He is not in favor of governmental good redistribution but that does not mean he is not in favor of strong governmental intervention such as regulation or public schooling."
Actually I'm against all those things. Take schools for example, why would I pay a lot more for a worse service? Public schools provide a terrible education, and are massively expensive (but people think they're "free", which they're not). So yes, I'm against public-state schools. (Not against schools in general, just government-run schools.) And government intervention always leads to unforeseen consequences - Thomas Sowell has provided many many many examples of how government intervention usually does the opposite of what they intend, simply because those who do not understand basic economics can't make it as businessmen, and end up as politicians and bureaucrats.
If you haven't already, I'd check out my Public vs Private video https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
And if you haven't already, Henry Hazlitt's "Economics in One Lesson" or Thomas Sowell's "Basic Economics".
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Commonwealth countries are classed as "British". If you want to talk about specific nationalities, you missed the Scots, Irish, Welsh and English off your list. In fact, "Britain" doesn't really exist, as it's not a nationality, but an international grouping of people.
And yes, the Czechs, the Poles, the Free French, and numerous other nationalities fought with the British at this time. However, it's still true to say that "Britain fought alone" because no other INDEPENDENT COUNTRY fought with Britain during this period.
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Again, Mises was actually Jewish in faith, and a Holocaust survivor. You're mocking a Holocaust survivor and calling them "Fascist". Marx's father converted from the faith, and then Marx went on to denounce the religion and call for their removal from society. Yet somehow, Mises is worse in your eyes? Why? Because he was living in Austria and was trying to persuade the Fascist government there not to implement all the policies they wanted to? In fact, I actually read from the primary sources and showed what Mises at the beginning of the regime at the end of this video https://youtu.be/cFBGvK5jX6Q
And whether I'm Jewish or not is irrelevant. I know to a racist anti-semite like yourself, it seems like every capitalist is Jewish, but you've got to understand that Karl Marx was wrong - not every capitalist is Jewish, and not every Jew is capitalist. Plus, even if they were, it's not relevant to this discussion. Someone's race doesn't determine whether they're right or not, so to imply that I can only call out Karl Marx's anti-Semitism if I was Jewish, is both racist and a defence of Marx's outright anti-Semitism.
Further, I'm not the only one saying that the Nazis socialized the businesses. But even if I was, that doesn't make me wrong. If everyone believed that the moon is made of cheese, and I pointed out that it was made of rock, that wouldn't make me wrong. Standing out from the crowd and telling the truth might invite criticism, but by itself doesn't invalidate the argument being made.
Bottom line: this isn't a popularity contest, and you need to rethink your faith in your anti-Semitic religion (Marxism). Check your racism.
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"You must understand that to be on the left means to care about people, helping the poorest in society."
That's also what I want to do too. Right wingers want to help people too, including the poorest in society. The Left doesn't believe that, but it's true. And, in fact, despite projecting their want to help the poor, it is the Left that implements policies that are directly impoverishing the poor (e.g. wage controls, price controls, regulations, taxation, inflation etc etc).
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"There is a strong ambition to help out society in any way they can."
Yes, and the people are the public, and the public is the state. The Left doesn't want to help "the people" (meaning, the individuals in the economy), they want to help "the people" (meaning, the public sector, which is the State). The Public is the State - the Society is the State. I've explained this in the "Public vs Private" video https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
So Socialism isn't about helping hte poor. It's about empowering the State. Socialism is a war in the name of the poor, against the poor and the middle class, for the benefit of the rich and powerful.
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"One small example of many, is the supposed "housing crisis" in the USA as well as in the UK, even though there are more homes in both countries than homeless. The real problem is not that there is not enough houses, but that there are companies and landlords that are just buying up homes, as private property, to keep and wait till the price rises in order to sell it or as a way to store their money."
Right, but how are they able to do that? Oh, that's right, follow the money. They're getting their money from the Central Banks, which Karl Marx called for in the Communist Manifesto. The Central Banks print currency into existence, which is then used to "invest" in the economy. The economy, therefore, is centrally planned. But the point is that, when more currency units chase the same number of houses, the price of the houses goes up. Couple this with rent controls, regulations, central planning permission (which we have here in the UK), and what you have is a huge housing crisis created by the Communist Central Bank, that's blamed on the "greedy landlords and corporations", even though the corporations are the "organs of the State". "Organ" - "corpse" - "corporation".
Socialism is causing the crisis, and capitalism gets the blame. We do not have capitalism. We have Socialism.
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"Do you know how many leftists wanted to kick the doors down on some unused privately owned houses, and simply give it to a homeless person?"
When a Leftist destroys private property like that, it becomes public property. The Public is the State. So the Leftists are fighting for State property. They are agents of the State.
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"Do you know what it would feel or look like for something to simply be done?"
Fascism.
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"No one wants to wait for some supposed "invisible hand" to achieve something as if we are living in the days of Adam Smith - we can simply do it ourselves."
There won't be an "invisible hand" in a centrally planned economy. When the "stock market" crashes, freeing up the resources from the corporations and given them back to the real economy, that's when you'll see the invisible hand smash the central planners. Again, see my "What Causes Recessions and Depressions" video https://youtu.be/X3L0_pjRdcs
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"What I just wrote above is what someone on the left is thinking when you make a pro-capitalist statement."
Yes, exactly.
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"Of course someone on the left would either think you are ignorant or are the problem."
I know. That's what I said in Tuesday's video.
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"They think how can anyone be OK with that, it is possible to provide society with what it needs and meet (at the very least) the basic needs of everyone."
It is, you just have to prevent the central planners from politicizing the economy. If you let the economy do its thing, the gap between the rich and poor will decrease, and everyone will be much richer. Capitalism has pulled billions of people out of poverty for the first time in human history. Socialism wants to drag us back into the dark age.
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"Just look at how much the government takes as taxes away from you..."
Tell me about it... Theft on a grand scale.
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"Just look at how much the government takes as taxes away from you, yet they cannot provide free healthcare."
They do here in the UK. Trust me, you don't want it. I now refuse to go anywhere near a doctor or dentist unless it's an emergency. I would go private, but there are no private services any more. Everything that is "private" is regulated/run by the State to such an extent that it's impossible for them to do their jobs correctly. Plus, I don't get a refund on my taxes if I use a private service, so I'm paying three times as much for the same service. Therefore, I just pay twice as much for a rubbish service, which I then don't use. And that's "free healthcare" by the way.
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"Yet tons of: money, food and resources are being wasted on the rich."
Maybe we should stop all taxation and inflation then? Oh yes, exactly what capitalists are calling for. Strange that, isn't it.
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"Think about it, how can they provide billions of vaccines to be given multiple times for free, yet cannot feed the world - something is seriously wrong."
Because Socialists don't want to feed the world. They want to control it.
Has it sunk in yet?
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"you should not group together everyone on the left as if they are one people."
I don't. But when all the Left share the same trait - they all want an all-powerful State/society that rules over everything, hence the word "socialism" - I can group them all together. Yes, there are some variations, but the Left wants totalitarianism, even if the "anarchist" Left or the "social democratic" Left don't realize that that's what they're calling for.
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"And it is because of this belief of: helping others in need and wishing for a better society and future, which is why it is difficult to change a leftist."
Except, the Right wants that too. The Leftist doesn't realize this, and I cannot get through to them that they're actually calling for totalitarianism without realizing it. As I said in Tuesday's video - the Left have been deceived.
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" Because for a leftist to change, that person has to accept that the way things are is how it should be and always will be, even though people on the left believe it does not have to be like this."
No, they don't have to change. I still want to help the poor, and the children, and the puppies, and end pollution, etc etc. The only difference is that I see Socialism for what it is: totalitarianism. And I also see capitalism for what it is: freedom to make the change. The Left has been brainwashed into believing the exact opposite.
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"Billions of people do not have to die of preventable diseases, starvation, or lack of basic necessities. A better society is possible and achievable."
But only under capitalism. Socialism will not bring the utopia socialists believe it will. Socialism doesn't work.
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You've misunderstood me. Tank vs tank was present in the early war period, and tanks can take on tanks, and perhaps should. But it's cheaper and just as effective to use an anti-tank gun (mobile or not). Anti-tank guns are cheaper to produce and replace than tanks, and probably have larger calibre guns. Therefore, it makes more sense to use them in the battles, and use tanks to exploit once the main battle has been fought.
SPGs and TDs are also cheaper than tanks, but are more maneuverable, therefore they make more sense in a mobile division. They perform the same role as a anti-tank gun, which they should work together with. However, even then, it makes sense to use your anti-tank guns, tanks and SPGs and TDs all at the same time, rather than saying "ok, SPGs only in this fight, and don't use any infantry or artillery". Guderian wants more Jagdpanzers, but isn't saying he wants to prevent infantry and artillery from cooperating with the tanks and tank-destroyers because "Jagdpanzers only take on tanks".
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"They can not predict actions of an individual, but they can predict averages and probabilities of actions of combat forces."
Averages and probabilities based on what? Make-believe? There is no "average". Probabilities exist, but not in the non-sciences which warfare is. If they cannot mathematically get the individual right, they cannot scale that up. It's simply impossible, which is why their plans and calculations are hardly ever right.
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"They are decided by volumes of fire per square kilometer, expenditure of ammuntion and fuel per hour, probabilities of detection and probabilities of hit."
Yes, but none of that dictates for definite if the soldiers on the receiving end get hit, or whether they rout, or whether they actually continue to fight. It doesn't predict the units that their faulty intelligence didn't pick up. It doesn't account for the weather - because as everyone knows "you cannot predict the weather". (That's a saying for a reason.)
You can calculate all that, but you cannot predict whether the plan succeeds or fails, and the reason why is because war is not a hard science, as I explained in the video.
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"You can be the best, the smartest, the bravest soldier the world has ever seen. But you will last the same as any human being under a barrage of thermobaric rockets."
Not if all those rockets miss because my spies told me when you were going to attack, so I pulled back from where you thought I was.
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"Also, mob psychology is a thing. Humans tend to act according to how other humans behave themselves around."
They do in a military where individual initiative is frowned upon. But if everyone is a volunteer, fighting for a worthy cause, for their own private property, and knows their local area like the back of their hand, you'll be surprised what damage individuals can do. That's why the Soviets failed in Afghanistan. That's why the Americans won their independence.
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"This is often used by propagandists or by marketers."
Which is why I encourage people not to believe the propagandists and marketeers. Andrei Martyanov is a government employee (he worked for the Russian military), which makes him a politician (anyone who works for the polis - the state - is a politician since that's where the word comes from), and therefore is a propagandist. He is pro-Russian, after all, and his book "Losing Military Supremacy" is blatant pro-Russian military and anti-American military propaganda. Plus, the fact he's selling books also makes him a marketer. But continue to believe him wholeheartedly though as your masters wish you to.
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But that's simply not true. Immediately after the war, Franz Halder and his cronies deliberately distorted history to make out as though the Germans were amazing, the Soviets were idiots, and that Hitler was a madman who was to blame for everything that went wrong. We now know this isn't the case, that they were saying that stuff because it was what the American audience wanted (Halder worked for the US Historical Division) and it was to save their own reputations. The reality was, Halder and his cronies were to blame for the military failures, not just Hitler, and that in a lot of military matters Hitler wasn't mad - but actually correct. We also know now that the German Army wasn't passive and actually participated in the Holocaust and other atrocities. So to say that history was better written soon after the events is simply untrue. The same sources historians had back then are available now, including more that weren't available back then. More is being discovered all the time. This is why history should constantly be revised, updated, and discussed, because we want to correct the mistakes the earlier generations of historians made (in the majority of cases, through no fault of their own).
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"I don't like the idea of an open-ended "pause" that may never resume."
I understand your concern, but it won't be for long. Episode 43 has already been recorded, and my new editor can now get to grips with Blender without too much pressure. I'll also be able to script future episodes at my own pace once I've got a couple of other videos done and have recovered a bit. So this is a pause from publishing, and a slowing of the pace of production, but not a stoppage. I have no intention of abandoning this series. I just need to reduce the work-load so I'm not constantly doing 60 hours weeks forever more without days off.
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"Indeed, many of the intervening videos in between our monthly Stalingrad fixes are weak by comparison."
Yes, and that's because of Stalingrad. All my effort has gone into Stalingrad, so the other videos were rushed and neglected. Worse, I ran out of time to research, so many Patreon Q&As and other topics I've wanted to cover have been left behind. What's the point of starting something if you know it'll take too long to finish and you don't have the time?
That's why I'm pausing the Stalingrad series, to concentrate on the other stuff. When I can get the time to actually focus on these other videos, you'll see the quality jump up again to where they were in the past. Recently the Dresden and Aryan Religion videos did well, and that was because I decided to work every hour I could on them the week prior. But I can't keep that pace up. I have to lower the work-load, which is what pausing Stalingrad will allow me to do.
Plus, it's these other videos that bring in new viewers, so it'll help drive traffic to the Stalingrad series, and help save the channel. The channel isn't in "decline", but the number of new subscribers coming in has halved in recent months after all the times I missed publishing. I need to save the channel from a decline in order to continue the Stalingrad series, because if the channel declines and the revenue dries up, it'll be back to retail and Stalingrad will then have to be abandoned.
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"One interpretation of a single quote, that can be interpretated in so many ways... This strange conclusion does not correspond to historical methods, man."
I'm glad to see the Postmodernists have arrived. Sadly, there's only a handful of VALID interpretations to a source, not a million. And this interpretation is clearly valid. Here's a video about History Theory you should watch https://youtu.be/PvpJEc-NxVc
"And why all socialism is anti-Semitic? There were and many socialists before and after Marx, even Jews and even religious socialists."
Yep, you didn't watch the video in full, or if you didn't you didn't grasp the message because you were too busy forming a reply. Try stopping, thinking, and grasping what I'm saying before knee-jerking a response in the comments. Other people have managed to grasp what I said, so I know it's not because I didn't explain it clear enough.
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Perhaps, however, he called "German Socialists" (which are proto-National Socialists, as I can prove that with other sources) "Philistines". This links the two concepts together. And the idea that Marx is just using the "uncivilised" definition of Philistine is undermined in another passage in Das Kapital on Page 161 where he says -
"One year previously, in his “Outlines of Political Economy,” written for the instruction of Oxford students and cultivated Philistines, he had also “discovered, in opposition to Ricardo’s determination of value by labour, that profit is derived from the labour of the capitalist, and interest from his asceticism, in other words, from his abstinence.”"
Note the phrase "cultivated Philistines". Isn't this a contradiction of terms? In another passage, he calls Jeremy Bentham an "arch-Philistine", even though the guy was clearly not "uncivilized" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Bentham
Jeremy Bentham though was an advocate for economic freedom and liberty etc. One of his students was John Stuart Mill. So it's clear that he was a supporter of "Capitalism", which then suggests that Marx viewed him as a practitioner of "Judaism"
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First, the video on Winston Churchill actually backs up what I'm saying in this video. The British wanted the Soviets and Germans fighting each other because it would weaken the two great enemies on Continental Europe without the British haven't to get directly involved. As I said in this video, the British knew that Hitler was going East. So when the Germans AND Soviets invaded Poland in 1939, Britain only declared war on the Germans, knowing that the Germans would end up in war with the Soviet Union eventually (as happened).
In the video on the Hess flight, the idea that the British deliberately kept out of all the fighting prior to 1944 is simply untrue. Britain was fighting throughout 1940 to 1945, in North Africa, Italy, Sicily, the Middle East (in Iraq, Syria, even Persia), in the Far East, and, of course, in the Atlantic and in the air. As mentioned in this video, Britain didn't ever have a large enough army to defeat Germany, and so had to rely on allies (like the USA and the Soviet Union). So the British, by themselves, could never have mounted the invasion of Normandy. They needed outside help, and only got it later in the war.
In regards to the Hess part, there's other contradictory evidence that refutes this claim. It's too complicated to fully explain here. But for example, in the book "Rudolf Hess: Truth at Last", the authors make a compelling case that Hess was trying to make contact with members of the Royal Family (plus the Poles and others) loyal to the abdicated King Edward VIII, rather than the British establishment (e.g. Churchill). But because he bubbled the flight, he was caught. So Hess may not have been trying to get in contact with Churchill or whatever, but actually plotters inside the Royal Family. This is further backed up by the fact that the Hess files remain locked up inside the ROYAL Archives, which are not subject to any of the acts of Parliament granting access to files after so many years (e.g. the freedom of information act).
So, to answer your question: "What the heck happened to you??"
In short, nothing. You've jumped to silly conclusions and assumed I'm speaking in ignorance. Yes, I don't know everything, and I've never pretended that I know everything. However, what you've said only reinforces what I said here, it doesn't undermine it.
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@benevolentnick1 First, the video on Winston Churchill actually backs up what I'm saying in this video. The British wanted the Soviets and Germans fighting each other because it would weaken the two great enemies on Continental Europe without the British haven't to get directly involved. As I said in this video, the British knew that Hitler was going East. So when the Germans AND Soviets invaded Poland in 1939, Britain only declared war on the Germans, knowing that the Germans would end up in war with the Soviet Union eventually (as happened).
In the video on the Hess flight, the idea that the British deliberately kept out of all the fighting prior to 1944 is simply untrue. Britain was fighting throughout 1940 to 1945, in North Africa, Italy, Sicily, the Middle East (in Iraq, Syria, even Persia), in the Far East, and, of course, in the Atlantic and in the air. As mentioned in this video, Britain didn't ever have a large enough army to defeat Germany, and so had to rely on allies (like the USA and the Soviet Union). So the British, by themselves, could never have mounted the invasion of Normandy. They needed outside help, and only got it later in the war.
In regards to the Hess part, there's other contradictory evidence that refutes this claim. It's too complicated to fully explain here. But for example, in the book "Rudolf Hess: Truth at Last", the authors make a compelling case that Hess was trying to make contact with members of the Royal Family (plus the Poles and others) loyal to the abdicated King Edward VIII, rather than the British establishment (e.g. Churchill). But because he bubbled the flight, he was caught. So Hess may not have been trying to get in contact with Churchill or whatever, but actually plotters inside the Royal Family. This is further backed up by the fact that the Hess files remain locked up inside the ROYAL Archives, which are not subject to any of the acts of Parliament granting access to files after so many years (e.g. the freedom of information act).
So, to answer your question: "What the heck happened to you??"
In short, nothing. You've jumped to silly conclusions and assumed I'm speaking in ignorance. Yes, I don't know everything, and I've never pretended that I know everything. However, what you've said only reinforces what I said here, it doesn't undermine it.
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@Huntermad - he's talking about the idea some people have called "collectivism". People who think all people of a certain 'gender', 'class', 'race', or 'nation' are 'the same'. This leads to judging people who are not of your 'gender', 'class', 'race', or 'nation' as different or wrong. You then dehumanize them, leading to Death Camps and Gulags.
The alternative idea is the idea that we are all individuals, and that our skin colour, or sexuality, or nationality, or background doesn't matter. All that matters is who we are as an individual person. Judge me by my actions, not by the actions of others. If we all did that, we would cooperate, rather than hate.
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"somehow citing only the ones he was comfortable with their superficial comments, ignoring completely all those that pointed out his concrete mistakes..."
That's not true. The Hitler's Socialism video was a direct response to multiple comments AND multiple videos from numerous Marxists, including the Finnish Bolshevik, which is why it's 5 hours long. I've been engaging in the comments, and the vast majority of the critics haven't actually watched the video. The few that have are having a very difficult time, with the only counter-argument that "my" definition of Socialism is wrong... even though I've quoted Karl Marx's own definition of Socialism, which is fully in alignment with the historical and even dictionary definition of Socialism as I outlined in the "Public vs Private" video.
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"at the most one can expect him to refer you to one of his former videos as a source for his claim..."
I see. So you're complaining that I'm not responding, but when I do respond, I'm told that I'm not allowed to link to a video that explains my counter-argument? What do you want me to do then? Do I have to write out the exact same counter-argument in the comments to each and every unique commenter, wasting numerous hours of my life just to be completely ignored by a bunch of lazy trolls who can't be bothered to even listen to my arguments let alone try to understand them?
And the times that I do counter them in the comments, the comments end up getting lost in the vast number of comments, and then my opponents can claim that I don't respond to them. It's a colossal waste of time.
And it really does amuse me that you've literally just complained that I don't respond to people, but when I do, you complain that I provide an answer to the argument that can be summed up in one simple sentence - WATCH THE VIDEO. Perhaps if you WATCHED THE VIDEO in the first place, instead of straw-manning my arguments, you wouldn't get such a response.
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It truly is a terrible book. This was by design of course, so that adherents of the faith could just point at it on their book shelves and say "it's in there, stupid". Most of the Marxists I've spoken to haven't read it, but claim to have read it, and then accuse me of not reading it. I have read it (a while back, admittedly) but can't claim to fully understand parts of it because it's so badly written. For example -
“The capitalist knows that all commodities, however scurvy they may look, or however badly they may smell, are in faith and in truth money, inwardly circumcised Jews, and what is more, a wonderful means whereby out of money to make more money.” (Karl Marx, Das Kapital V1, P107.)
I've read this a hundred times and I'm still not sure exactly what he means. Does he mean that capitalists are inwardly circumcised Jews? Or does he mean commodities are inwardly circumcised Jews? If it's commodities, that doesn't make any sense. If it's capitalists, then how is he any different to Hitler?
Again, the vagueness of what he wrote hides his true meaning, and that was definitely by design (as Muravchik explains in his book “Heaven on Earth”.)
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“The main resistance to Himmler’s obsessions occurred in the south, for the Italians were never won over to anti-Semitism; in any case there were barely 50,000 Jews living in Italy. The Italians had refused to co-operate in the South of France, and Eichmann was forced to complain once more of their ‘sabotage’ in Greece and Yugoslavia. Although Mussolini had created his own anti-Jewish laws in 1938 under the influence of Hitler, he did not want to become implicated in genocide.” - Manvell, & Fraenkel, “Heinrich Himmler,” Kindle p205.
“The form of anti-Semitism adopted by Fascist Italy, as a consequence, was singularly different from that of National Socialist Germany. However indecent, it shared few of the genocidal traits that have horrified the civilized world. Italian Jews suffered innumerable indignities and material losses, but there is scant, if any, evidence that between 1938 and 1943, any Jews died at the hands of Fascists simply for having been Jewish.” - Gregor, “Mussolini’s Intellectuals,” p217.
There are more quotes I could give besides these. Again, I'm not seeing how I gave the wrong impression in this video.
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I haven't studied Soviet tactics in the late-war, so I can't comment on them. But certainly during the Stalingrad Campaign, there was no real example of a Soviet-kampfgruppe-like-battlegroup. There were a few Soviet battlegroups (such as Chuikov's Southern Group) but as I mentioned in the video, they weren't the same (in Chuikov's case, it was more of a corps-level command). Spontaneous task-orientated formations, from what I can see, did not exist in the same capacity. I do not recall many (if any) examples of Soviet regiments being placed under the command of other regiments. Nor can I recall examples of battalions from regiment being loaned to another. I know regiments were supported by battalions from the Army-level, but it's certainly not made clear whether they were subordinated to the regimental commander. Maybe they were, but I don't have any hard facts saying they were. And maybe there were some in Stalingrad itself at the battalion-level and lower, but it wasn't a common thing outside of Stalingrad.
There were examples of Soviet battlegroups being formed for attacks - just like the Oasis Group I mentioned in the video - but these were deliberate formations, and not made spontaneously in the middle of battles or as a result of crises. And there were a few examples of Soviet generals of higher ranks in say divisions being commanded by Soviet army commanders of a lower rank. That's actually quite interesting to me, and something I want to do videos on in the future. And, of course, I could be wrong. Unfortunately though, there's very little written from the Soviet perspective in English, and I can't yet read Russian. And I'm quite certain that the British didn't practice this spontaneous-battlegroup-concept at this time either.
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@The Slovenian Imperator Knight - Now I know what it's like to fight the Borg collective. I honestly think I'm speaking a different language to these socialists. They don't know the difference between public and private, think that totalitarianism is freedom, and don't realise how little they know their own ideologies. Some are denying that Hitler was totalitarian, others are saying he is, but privatized the industries (even though that is a blatant lie), and some are saying I don't understand the meaning of the word, even though Mussolini coined the term and described his own regime with it - and he definitely had state-control over everything, since that is the definition of the term "totalitarianism" which is what he coined.
One guy in here somewhere actually said that privatizing the economy was centralization. I kid you not.
But apparently they're not changing the meanings of the words or anything, and they're definitely not Marxist-Postmodernists or anything. No, it's all me - I'm the one who doesn't know that it's perfectly fine to murder the women and children of the bourgeoisie.
Blame others, not yourself - the Socialist motto.
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"@TIK that's completely wrong, early socialism was typically communal in character and wanted to decentralize production into community workshops, etc., rather than leave it in the hands of a few capitalists. You're insanely out of your depth."
An individual is as decentralized as you can get. Taking power away from individuals and giving it to a community (a "public", which means non-individual, and is where the definition "public sector" comes from, meaning state) is centralization, not decentralization.
The origins of the word "public" go back to Greece and Rome, and means "of the people; of the state; done for the state," and "a commonwealth; public property," https://www.etymonline.com/word/public As the book "Inventing the Individual" makes clear, it means the state. Google's definition of it is here "of or provided by the state rather than an independent, commercial company." Collectivization (which is what socialism is) is as centralized as you can get, since it is anti-individual and thus anti-decentralization.
So no, I'm not out of my depth at all. You don't know the meaning of the words you're using.
"@TIK it's unbelievable that you continue to repeat the blatant falsehood that the RF Decree "abolished private ownership by law". This is an appalling, self-serving fabrication. Are you going to respond to this at all?"
There's nothing to respond too. "No, you're wrong" is not an argument. The law was abolished, and it had dire consequences for the industrialists, as Gunter Reinmann makes clear in his book "the Vampire Economy" written in 1939 which you can get online for free as a pdf. He even says that the industrialists were so scared that they would have their property seized off them that they took to reading Das Kapital in order to try find clues on how to survive in the socialist economy they now found themselves in. The best part is - he was a Marxist, so he knew what he was talking about.
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"But who actually owns the house? For most people, the bank does."
You've taken out a loan from the bank, so you're in debt with the bank. But nobody's forcing you to take out a loan/mortgage in the first place. You've decided on your own free will to take out that loan. You could have rented, stayed with your parents, lived in your car, or sleep in the street. You're free to trade/deal with the bank or not deal with it - that's your individual choice. Nobody's putting a gun to your head and forcing you to deal with the bank. The bank lends you the money on the condition that you pay it off. When you pay it off, you get the house. So this is a free-trade - an agreement - between you and the bank. You don't have to enter than agreement if you don't want to.
"How do they get all that money? By owning money. Not by working in retail."
That's not how people make money. The only way you can lawfully attract money to you is if you offer you a good or service in exchange for that money. So, if you want bread off me, you give me money. In this small hyperthetical economy, you would get all the bread, I get all the money. Is that me exploiting you? Socialists would say yes... but is that really the case?
Now, in the case of buying a house, you want the bank's money in order to do that. So how do you attract the banks' money? You say "hey, I'll give you more money in the long run if you lend me a big sum of money now". In effect, you're offering the bank money in exchange for a service (giving you a house to live in). This is a trade. A more complicated trade than the bread example, but it's still a trade.
The top 1% only attract money by offering people goods or services that they are willing to pay money for. This is actually a sign of a healthy economy, not of "exploitation". There is no exploitation going on in a trade, since you (the individual) exercise your choice in each instance. If you don't want to give your money away for goods and services, then you are free to stop doing so. If you want to stop buying things, then that's your choice and is entirely your decision to make. But if you do buy products and services, you cannot complain that the person you gave money to somehow "exploited" you. That's absolutely not what happened.
Of course, there's another way to attact money, which is unlawful. This is called stealing or theft, and can be summed up by the term "force". Someone forcefully reaches into your pocket and takes money. You have no choice in the matter (unless you fight back) and this is not a trade because you get nothing back in exchange for the taking of the money.
If you don't like a certain good or service (e.g. a bad restaurant), you can choose not to use that service again. This is a decision that you can make as a free-market citizen. However you cannot choose your government, and whether you like the service that your government gives you or not, they will reach into your pocket and take your money from you. This is not a trade because you have no choice in the matter and you many not get anything back in exchange for the taking of the money. And whether you get a good or bad deal from this is (1) out of your hands, and (2) if you don't like it, you cannot choose to not use the service again (like with the bad restaurant).
Now, we do need some government to keep law and order so that we can do other trade. But the problem is that a government limits the freedom of its citizens (the more money forcefully taken from you, the less freedom you have to do the things you want to do) and if a government gets too powerful, it can take all your money off you - effectively making you a slave.
The best way to prevent a government from gaining too much power is through property-rights. If the government doesn't own factories, banks, businesses or your arms, then it hasn't got much power. Socialism is all about total-control of the means of production, and property is seen as "theft". Well, once you give up your property-rights, the state owns everything, can take everything from you, and there's nothing you can do about it. You'll have effectively given up everything you could have used to fight back against it. This is why socialists are all over the abolishment of property rights. Worse, they even claim that property is theft!!! The opposite is true.
So yes, you rightly point out that there are flaws in capitalism. But these are nothing compared to the flaws in socialism. You cannot have totalitarianism without total-control of the menas of production. Socialism is slavery by another name.
"But I think you should also be critical of capitalism. It's too easy to just say that socialism means oppression, and capitalism means freedom."
The freedom of individuals to earn money and spend their own money the way they want to is capitalism. Economics is not a zero-sum game (like the socialists believe). Everyone can produce something and get rich if they want to, but most choose not to do that. Instead they get a 9 to 5 or whatever (which is technically them deciding not to produce for themselves), and take the more easy path of not taking risks and having stability. That's fine in the short-run and can be a good place to start, but most people stay there for the whole of their lives. And that's their choice, but you can't then blame the people who get more than you because they choose to work until they drop, live in in-stablitiy, take massive financial risks and create something that other people want to purchase from them.
In fact, without you realising it, we have just traded. I sold you a product (a video) and you gave me your time in return. You had a choice of not watching this video, but you did. In a free-market with individual choice, you were attracted to my video. Now, if this was socialism, you wouldn't have had a choice. Either you would have been forced to watch my video, or I would have been forced to say a certain thing that doesn't challenge the collective-state (which would make my videos less valuable to you). Again, this wouldn't be good for the consumer (you) or the product-creator (me). In fact the only party that benefits would be those in power. This is why socialism means oppression and why capitalism is in-fact freedom.
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"so to start it i find that this video bit short as in lacking compared to your other video"
It's the first in a multi-part series. So I'm going to explain the British and American reasoning behind implementing Operation Keelhaul next time.
Parts of point 1 (relating to the cross-checking of sources) and all of point 2 aren't possible to answer due simply to the active suppression of evidence. We only have a limited amount of sources that are available, and for some events we only have one or two accounts of what happened. There's probably more in the archives, which remain closed. I'm actually intending to talk about this in episode 3 (assuming I don't change the plan) because I want to do a "counter-arguments" episode.
You're correct that I'm only really using sources that are "against" the Allies 'side'. Technically though, only Solzhenitsyn is against the Allied side, the others are not so much, just against this crime. It would be nice to have more authors cover this, but because of the secrecy, it's not likely to happen soon. Again, I'll be discussing this in episode 3.
Point 3 is something I can address now, and will again bring up in the future videos. The Americans actually told the Soviets in 1944 that sending Russian prisoners of war captured in German uniforms is against the Geneva Convention. British politicians also had debates over this, but in the end both conceded for reasons I'll be going into in the next episode. While I didn't talk about this, Julius Epstein spends about half his book making the legal case for why it is against the Geneva Convention, and why it's also against several national and international laws as well. Because international law is a boring topic, I probably won't cover this in in great detail in this series, but apparently (according to other commenters) you can find a PDF version of Epstein's book online if you want to dive into the details.
What I will say is that it was immoral even if it was found to be "lawful", and I would still class it as a crime against humanity even if no national nor international State officially does.
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The Cossack individuals who had committed crimes should have been punished for the crimes that those individuals committed. However, not all of the Cossacks should have been punished just because they were Cossacks. If you commit a crime, your parents are executed as well. Why? Because we're all individuals. Punish the individual criminal, not everyone else he associates with.
And do you want to know who also targeted the Jews during the Russian Revolution? That's right: the RED ARMY.
Semyon Budyonny’s Red cavalry division committed many crimes against the Jews. His men stole possessions (including Jewish women’s underwear), tortured the men, and the general himself attempted to shoot one man who threatened to report him to the higher ups, only failing to do so when his pistol misfired. Rather than be punished by the Soviet Socialist system, Budyonny would later rise to the rank as Marshal of the Soviet Union, take part in the Second World War, and die in 1973 having completely got away with his crimes. In other Red cavalry units, the prettiest girls were simply taken - either in the streets, or carted off first. And I'm masking some of my language here to get around the censors - see Engelstein, “Russia in Flames,” p516, and p532-539.
In fact, Marxist Socialism is inherently anti-Semitic https://youtu.be/rZh01xRO_Qg
But, of course, we're going to send ALL the Cossacks back to the anti-Semitic Soviet Union for punishment because some individuals within them ill-treated the Jews, even though the Soviet Union also targeted the Jews both during the Russian Revolution and after the Second World War and can in no way be considered a legitimate moral authority.
In addition, the British POWs were starved by the Japanese. Yet I don't remember many of them turning traitor. And yes, the Germans and Italians did treat the prisoners from the West well, which is why it was wrong for the West to send the Soviet POWs back to the Soviet Union because they had fought for the Germans - many were basically forced to do so.
That said, many also joined up because they genuinely hated the Soviet regime. If they didn't hate the Soviet regime, then why did many of the civilians not want to go back and actively tried to escape before they were given back? Also, why were the Soviet troops at the border R'ing the women and shooting the civilians who were handed over to them?
I look forward to your response "red russki".
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"I cannot say that I am biased."
You are biased. Everyone is biased. The fact that you think you're not, is your bias. See my video on History Theory, it will clarify things for you https://youtu.be/PvpJEc-NxVc
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"The problem with the source in the form of Solzhenizen is that he did not conduct any significant research on the topic..."
I never said that the Gulag Archipelago was a "perfect" source, since no perfect source exists, and memoirs or similar are problematic texts. However, again, the issue here is no with the full text, but with the section on Operation Keelhaul. If you have some evidence that refutes Solzhenitsyn, fine, but until then, it doesn't matter if he was wrong with the rest of the the book, if he is correct when it comes to Operation Keelhaul.
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"I just want to understand how Stalin knew where to look for these Cossacks who do not have Soviet citizenship? What channels of communication was used to build such a large-scale operation to return unwanted people back to the territory of the USSR? Where did the British military get the lists? Why did these Cossacks live in Austria and did not end up in concentration camps under Nazi rule?"
The British and Americans had the Cossacks and other Russian prisoners and civilians in camps in both Germany, Britain, and the United States. They were talking to the Soviets throughout 1943-1945 discussing what they would do with them. It's rather a complex negotiation period, so I can't possibly replicate the entire event here, but if you read "Victims of Yalta" by Tolstoy (a much easier book to get hold of than Epstein's book) he provides a detailed explanation.
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"After all, if you think the Nazis did not consider them as people, but the fact that the British and the USSR knew where to look for these Cossacks, why not recruit underground partisans from them?"
The USSR rejected the idea outright because they viewed them as enemies. The West considered this as an option, but knew it would annoy the USSR. In fact, the Soviets accused both the British and Americans of recruiting the prisoners into their armies, or of giving them anti-Soviet propaganda. The Soviets didn't want the world knowing that these people existed because it was an embarrassment to them.
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It's simple. The National Socialists never saw themselves as "Right-wing"; they are Third Positionists. Through no fault of his own, Jordan Peterson doesn't understand National Socialism and has bought into the Marxist propaganda regarding it.
That said, I'm not defending "the Right". As I explained in the recent video on why Mosley turned to Fascism, I don't believe in the Left-Right spectrum any more. I look at the views and policies of any one political entity and judge them for what they are. And since they're all pro-tax, pro-elite, and pro-state... I judge them all to be batting for the same side.
So, in my view, "the Right" (whatever that is) isn't innocent. However, even by that traditional terminoloy, the Fascists and National Socialists are not "Right-wing", they are Third Positionists, and I think it's important that everyone understands this.
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It's alright, I'm here to help :) you probably already realise this but the only reason I didn't go into more detail is because the sources I used didn't allow it. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that the majority of these books are bad. Even with the bigger units and battles, most contradict each other, or even contradict themselves.
Also, you may have realised that I don't have access to the primary sources. If I did have access, I'd use them, but I live in Southport, which is in the Northwest of England so travelling to London isn't something that happens often. Although I do think if he was part of the 9th Australian Division, the documents for that will be in Australia (probably?). And I wonder if the German archives have anything, because the 3rd Reconnaissance Battalion are involved.
Interestingly, I actually made a video a while ago about the issue of finding sources on the North African Campaign (actually history in general, but I used the example of the Western Desert Campaign). I actually explain the issue quite well, although you may not enjoy the conclusion. But I'll leave you the link https://youtu.be/LLwSUfbXO5E
Feel free to private message me. I can't make videos from anecdotal accounts, but it would be interesting to hear the stories anyway. I believe the way to do it is to go to my channel's "About" page where there should be a button somewhere to send me a message. If you do send me a message, comment on here to let me know because it doesn't notify me when people send me private messages.
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Just to be clear, don't blame "the Americans" or their divisions. We need to be more specific. Obviously, the entire United States America can't be blamed for the failure to capture a bridges. That fault lies in the commanders (Gavin, or Browning if you think he's to blame). I talk about this issue in this video https://youtu.be/WHCVKPIY6Pk
I only roughly know what happened after Market Garden, but I believe the Germans eventually retreated across Arnhem bridge and held Arnhem until a couple months into 1945. The British concentrated on clearing the Scheldt estuary and the islands there for the use of the port at Antwerp. The Fifteenth Army was forced back to the Maas-Waal but held over the winter, resulting in the "Hunger Winter" in the Netherlands https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_famine_of_1944. Surprisingly, the eastern side of the Market Garden bulge didn't change a whole lot over the winter, with only a few small chunks of territory taken there by the Allies. The airborne divisions continued to fight along Hell's Highway at least into October before being withdrawn.
About the video you linked. It links to another video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oIlDTExMLo where the American paratrooper gives his own account of what happened when the tanks got across Nijmegen bridge. However what you need to remember is that this account is cannot be as relied on as first thought.
For starters, these words were spoken many years after the battle, rather than at the time (Accounts at the time are more reliable for obvious reasons). Secondly, while they give the view of one American paratrooper who met the British tanks, the British tankers as well as their commanders (two of them, not just the one mentioned) state that the Americans were very happy that the British were over the bridge, even kissing the tanks. There's no mention at the time of a enraged American captain who demanded the tanks go forwards. And as I said in the documentary, according to the British accounts, the American paratroopers may have even left the tanks. One possibly spoke to General Horrocks using a radio in one of the British tanks. In fact, General Gavin's account at the time agrees with the British point of view, and it's only his later accounts, such as those in 1978 that go against what the British were saying.
I'd highly recommend Neilland's book http://astore.amazon.com/t00ec-20/detail/B016AABMF0 as that goes into a lot of detail about the entire incident. He literally spends a third of a chapter disputing the claim that the British drank tea after they got over Nijmegen bridge, and the other portions explaining why Nijmegen bridge should and could have been taken on the first day and why the excuses at the time and later don't add up.
And I have read Buckingham's book, but didn't have it to hand for this documentary (I lost a lot of my history books when I moved house a few years back). Whilst I wouldn't say not to read it, I don't recommend it unless you've read several other books on the subject. Even then, only get it if you want to see how not to write a history book. Whilst some may dispute the claim in this video that Gavin was to blame for the failure of the Operation, at least I provided a solid argument, backed by evidence and reasoning. I do remember reading Buckingham's book and wondering if he was going to support his arguments at any point rather than just making a statement and then moving on to the next. As I say, I don't have the book right now or I'd give an example, but I distinctly remember thinking that book was probably the worst I've read on Market Garden. And I've read a lot on Market Garden.
Still, it's good to read books like that just so you know first hand whether people like myself are telling the truth or not. After all, I may have some sort of bias against certain sources that dispute my arguments. I've not got one, and I'd encourage you to come to your own conclusions about this battle. But some people like to spurt their own biased views based on a corrupted perception of what happened, rather than a factual evidenced-based view of what happened. After all, if you only read one book or watch one film on a subject, not only are you not going to fully grasp the situation, but the one book you read could be completely wrong or be super-biased - and you wouldn't know because you've only read that one book. So I encourage you to read more on Market Garden, however I'd recommend several books before Buckingham's book, simply because it's poorly done.
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Well, to put things into context, more units are involved in the first month of the Stalingrad battle than all other units in all of my other docs so far. It's incredible, but the scale is overwhelming. I'll get it done, but I honestly don't know when I'll finish it because I'm not content just to make "that'll do" content. The facts need to be right - or as right as I can possibly get it - otherwise what's the point?
I've got another video on the LRDG coming tomorrow, and am working on Operation Battleaxe right now, which I'm hoping to get done in the next few weeks.
All I'll say for this Operation Market Garden video is that I'm confident enough to claim that the day-to-day events and unit positions etc are very accurate (or at least as accurate as the sources allowed me to be). I crossed referenced every event and made sure what I was saying was correct. The historiography (where I said what other historians think) is right, but my own final conclusion/interpretation right at the end of the video may be wrong. If anyone wants to disagree with my conclusion and thinks someone else is to blame, that's fine, but the rest of the video is spot on.
Eventually I'll get to Italy and then do D-Day etc. Think it'll be a while before I get there though. I haven't read the Band of Brothers books, although I've watched both that and the Pacific. Very good series. At the minute I'm not in a postion to say whether they're accurate or anything as I simply don't know. All I will say is (if at all possible) try not to rely on one source of information for a specific event or events, because chances are that one source got things wrong and may lead you to form the wrong conclusions.
I'm probably going to make an additional video for Battleaxe where I'll show you exactly what I mean when I say that you absolutely cannot rely on one source of information, because some of the stuff I've come across in the sources is rediculous. I've read two (or more) authors that completely contradict each other, and more will be so vague there's no way to actually know what happened for certain. This is why I make sure to do as much research as possible to make sure I get things as right as possible, but even then I sometimes have to bite the bullet and pick one side or another (or be vague, which I hate doing). Not a day goes by where I don't wish I had access to the primary sources, and for Battleaxe I've been super tempted to take a trip to London to get them.
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Santiago Restrepo And this is why the battle is so controversial. Most of the TV documentaries out there only mention the reasons for the failure in the Arnhem sector and maybe have some vague statements like "XXX Corps was too slow". But none of them go into detail or explain why.
If you watch from 18:07 to 19:16, and then 29:55 to 32:20 I explain exactly what happens on day 1 in the Nijmegen sector. And then 46:43 to 50:55 I pretty much explain what happened on day 3 and why XXX Corps didn't arrive at Arnhem on time. Then at 01:01:00 to 1:06:05 I explain the events of day 4 and what XXX Corps were doing when their 4 tanks got across the bridge.
At 01:35:37 onwards is the debates historians have on the battle and explains in more detail about the situation at the Nijmegen bridge during those crucial days. If you want even more detail on this, as TheVillaAston said "The Battle for the Rhine 1944" by Robin Neillands is pretty much the best book which puts forth the argument that Operation Market Garden was lost at Nijmegen. Poulussen's "Lost at Nijmegen" goes into a lot more detail about why the 82nd didn't capture the bridge, although it's a little less accessible than Neilland's book.
The main things to note is that because Nijmegen Bridge wasn't taken on the first day, the Germans had the chance to dig in and fortify Nijmegen for two days. Plus because it wasn't taken on the first day, the Germans also had the chance to blow the bridge when XXX Corps did send 4 tanks across it. In the event, it didn't blow, but if it had who's fault would it have been? And finally, the four tanks (one knocked out) that did get across the bridge were alone. It's debated (again, read Neillands book for details) whether the American paras left the tanks to go hunting for more Germans. The British tankers dispute the claim that an American officer offered and then argued with them when they wouldn't go towards Arnhem. And the British infantry and the majority of XXX Corps were in Nijmegen fighting the 10th SS Panzer Division, not drinking tea as is often stated.
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Oh don't get me wrong, the Germans did exceptionally well, especially with the few resources they had. I'm just pointing out the events from the Allied perspective.
As far as British tanks proceeding up the road without additional support - they wouldn't have gotten through. But what I find interesting is that the people who say this are usually quoting events from the film A Bridge Too Far, which itself is based on the book A Bridge Too Far, which actually contradicts itself. Not only that but historians have called into question the events as described in Ryan's book. Let me explain.
So here's two paragraphs from Ryan's book that I need to quote in full. The first -
"Lieutenant A.D. Demetras overheard Tucker arguing with a major from the Guards Armoured Division. 'I think a most incredible decision was being made right there on the spot,' he recalls. From inside a small bungalow being used as a command post, Demetras heard Tucker say angrily, 'Your boys are hurting up there at Arnhem. You'd better go. It's only 11 miles.' The major 'told the Colonel that British armour could not proceed until infantry came up'. Demetras recalls. 'They were fighting the war by the book,' Colonel Tucker said. 'They had "harboured" for the night. As usual, they stopped for tea.'"
Ok, so this is suggesting that Tucker wanted the British tanks to go on to Arnhem on their own without infantry support even though they didn't have permission to do that. Fine. Now let's see the next paragraph in Ryan's book.
"Although his men were at less than half strength and almost out of ammunition, Tucker thought of sending the 82nd troopers north towards Arnhem on their own. Yet, he knew that General Gavin would never have approved his action. The 82nd, strung out along its section of the corridor, could not afford the manpower. But Gavin's sympathies were with his men: the British should have driven ahead. As he was later to put it: "There was no better soldier than the Corps commander, General Browning. Still, he was a theorist. Had Ridgway been in command at that moment, we would have been ordered up the road in spite of all our difficulties, to save the men at Arnhem."
Right, so there's several points to be made here.
1) The 504th was almost out of ammunition at this point. So they couldn't have supported the tanks even if they'd wanted to.
2) In the first paragraph Tucker is ok to argue with the British tanks for not driving north, but then in the second paragraph doesn't want to send his men either. Why not? If the tanks won't go, why won't the paras go either?
3) Tucker thought of sending the 82nd troopers north towards Arnhem on their own, but didn't because he knew General Gavin wouldn't have said yes to that. But it's ok for Tucker to criticise the British tanks for not driving north without permission from their commander? If Gavin would have said no, what makes you think Horrocks or anyone else wouldn't have said yes? In this very paragraph, Tucker admits that the US paratroopers at Nijmegen had the exact same option the British had - to march towards Arnhem - and he decided not to do it. Therefore, by Tucker's own reasoning, the US paras also drank tea at Nijmegen bridge.
[Just to point out, I don't believe the "drinking tea" thing even happened - as I'll discuss below - nor do I actually suggest the US paras drank tea at Nijmegen. I'm mearly highlighting the point that Tucker can't criticise the British tankers without at the same time criticising himself and his own men.]
4) "we would have been ordered up the road in spite of all our difficulties." So had Ridgway been in command, he would have ordered "we" up the road. Who is "we"? Is Gavin implying that Ridgway would have ordered the 82nd up the road as well as XXX Corps? It certainly sounds like he is. So assuming that a better general like Ridgway or Patton was here, in Gavin's opinion, they would have ordered the 82nd up the road as well "in spite of all our difficulties, so save the men at Arnhem". Then why didn't General Gavin order the 82nd up the road at this critical point?? Why is it ok to criticize the British generals for not being like Ridgway, but not Gavin? And even if Gavin meant just XXX Corps, what "difficulties" was he speaking of? Could it be the fact that XXX Corps was still battling to take Nijmegen city because Gavin had let the Germans occupy it four days earlier?
5) We only have one person's perspective here. What about events from the British perspective? Neillands does well to cover this - he has a chapter in his book pretty much dedicated to the issue at the Nijmegen sector. I won't quote in full, but Captain Peter Carrington (the major that Tucker was supposed to have argued with - the fact he got the rank wrong says a lot) says "This story is simply lunacy and this alleged exchange did not take place".
So the British officer states quite firmly that this event did not take place. All sources except Ryan's interview with Tucker say the US paras hugged and kissed the tank (even General Gavin is quoted as saying this too!) and it's only a couple of US sources that say the argument happened. Even then, the British officer said it didn't happen, so at best it's questionable to believe it even happened. But even if it did, it doesn't make any sense.
Again, Neillands talks about this quite a bit so I'd absolutely recommend his book. But I'll end with two quotes from Neillands himself: -
"This alleged incident between Peter Carrington and an American officer, widely reported and probably exaggerated, still leaves a bad taste. The first allegation is unfair: 'yellow-bellied cowards' do not cross a river bridge in tanks, knowing that it might blow up beneath them at any moment. Nor does a mere captain - even a captain of His Majesty's Foot Guards - take it on himself to rush off into enemy territory, especially when his current task is to aid the American forces on the north bank hold their bridgehead in the face of counter-attacks."
"Let us be frank. The 82nd should have taken the Nijmegen bridge on D-Day, September 17. By failing to do so Gavin made a major contribution to the failure of the entire Arnhem operation and it will not do to pass the blame for that failure on to the British or to Captain Lord Carrington. Colonel Tucker bitterly complains about a delay of twelve hours [because the British don't drive to Arnhem immediately after taking Nijmegen bridge] but Gavin never provided the slightest explanation for the delay of thirty-six hours his failure to take the Nijmegen bridge imposed on the entire Market Garden operation."
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"Would you really have your country go back to some Dickensian 19th Century Dystopia"
Well, for starters, Dickens was writing before "Laissez Faire Capitalism" (which it wasn't anyway, but that's a complicated topic) came along. Secondly, I'm not advocating a reversal, no. This is why I'm a progressive, not a regressive like everyone on the Left.
"the FULL wieght of laissez - faire Capitalism, you know, 7yr old Chimney Sweeps, 10 and 12 yr ols "down the Pit" etc etc ..."
At least children could earn a wage and have a chance of paying taxes. Nowadays they're taxed and can't earn the money to pay off those taxes. Buying sweets is 20% VAT straight off, but moreso because the person selling you the sweets has paid council (soviet) tax, income tax, National-Socialist Insurance, and his inflation tax, along with numerous other taxes like road tax and fuel tax getting the sweets to the shop in the first place. And the parents who gave the kid the money for the sweets have also been taxed massively before they even were able to give the kid the money because remember: if you tax the parent, you tax the child.
And if you tax the employer, you tax the employee.
What I want is for us to stop paying our theft-tax, stop getting into 'public' debt, and start freeing up the economy to let it actually work. If I hadn't been taxed last year, I could have employed a part-time worker. Instead, the wages for that part-time worker has been stolen from me and wasted on 'services' that I don't want nor need (like the National Socialist Hell Service) and has resulted in another person being unemployed. There's a reason millions of people are unemployed, and it's because of terrible government policies. If people read Economics in One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt (or listened to the audio book here https://youtu.be/eyIfEpNfU2U ) it would save us a lot of trouble.
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"How can one tell how one would react to walking past dead bodies day and night?"
I'm certain there were bodies there, but the point isn't necessarily about the bodies, but the statement that there's nobody to pick them up. They had people to pick them up.
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"Also I had a problem with your statement about the smell in the air. I can personally walk on the other side of the street where a cat was ran over by a car and the smell will still be overwealming."
Right but that would be the case everywhere in war. All it would take is a few bodies scattered about the city of Stalingrad for the entire city to start to stink. So for a soldier to complain about the smell, doesn't really make sense, since they would be smelling it on every battlefield they go to.
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"While I'm mentioning this, I would also like to add about you view on morale. While a unit's morale may be high, I doubt there was any significant period of time in which any division in Stalingrad had no suicides, or any which fought there who didn't have to shut one or more of his men down for talking in a defeatist manner. As such, a soldier's diary may mention low morale even when official records (or even the diaries of other soldiers) do not."
True. However, in conjunction with the fact that at least two or three statements of Hoffman's are definitely wrong, the fact we have contradicting evidence relating to this issue, and the others, would suggest that this was also made up. If two or three of the statements are flat-out wrong, proving that whoever wrote the diary wasn't in the 267th Infantry Regiment, why would you believe that the rest of the source was legitimate? Believing the rest of the source at this point would be faulty logic, I would argue.
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Yes! The problem though is that it's much easier to make a deliberately false statement, or make a deliberately dishonest accusation, or ask a deliberately high quantity of similar but slightly different questions, than it is to respond to all of them. And if I don't respond, they can claim it's because I can't refute them, and if I do respond, they can claim I haven't addressed the "main issues" or still claim I'm afraid to responded to the comments that "refuted" me. It's ulterior tactics - and I now see why many YouTube creators don't interact with their audience in the comments sections. The reality is, I got 1,500 comments within 3 hours of last week's video going up. There's no way I could physically respond to them all. So, by defacto, they win (by their own flawed logic).
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Oh yes, it wasn't just Marxists etc that disagreed. And, in fact, several Marxists agreed with me. But a portion of those that disagreed were quite reasonable about it - which is great! I don't expect everyone to agree with me. Blitz of the Reich's response video was very well balanced and great to listen to, for example. But the majority were Marxists, and weren't here for reasonable discourse. So yes it is funny - or even sad!
The reason I linked to Peterson in the first place - stress on _link_, since I didn't use him as a source - was because he was talking about postmodernism, which is what they're doctrine. They're not using reasonable discourse, and they're not interested in the truth. Ideology trumps thruth. Whoever controls the present controls the past... It's very much Orwellian in that sense. That's why they're willing to go to Marxism.org and quote from there, because it isn't about knowledge or reason - they reject these notions. It's about dogma for them. It's about politics, and power. And you're absolutely right - it forms an echo-chamber for wackos.
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That video actually confirms it's not Marxism (which is not what I'm saying NS is - I'm saying it's socialism).
"Your major mistake is that you base your entire argument on the defintion of the terms "socialism" "capitalism" and "comunism" on the definition of liberatarians (i.e. an extremistic political group), who have the agenda to disqualify any kind of social and left-wing policy."
No, I base my definitions of what socialism and capitalism are on the actual definitions used both now and back in history.
Capitalism is the private (individual, non-state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). Nobody's disputing that.
Socialism is the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). If it is the social (worker's state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy), then it's Marxism (which is what you think 'socialism' is). If it is the social (German/Aryan people's state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy), then it is National Socialism.
But people dispute this. Why? Because they've been trying to dispute it since 1956 (the Hungarian Revolution began this process) and you can see it in the historiography. Let me give you some concrete evidence to support my definition of socialism -
Google’s definition of socialism - “a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.”
“any economic or political system based on government ownership and control of important businesses and methods of production” “an economic, political, and social system that is based on the belief that all people are equal and should share equally in a country's money:” https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/socialism
“1. any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods” “2. a system of society or group living in which there is no private property” “b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state” “: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done” https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism
“Socialism is a set of left-wing political principles whose general aim is to create a system in which everyone has an equal opportunity to benefit from a country's wealth. Under socialism, the country's main industries are usually owned by the state.” “1. an economic theory or system in which the means of production, distribution, and exchange are owned by the community collectively, usually through the state. It is characterized by production for use rather than profit, by equality of individual wealth, by the absence of competitive economic activity, and, usually, by government determination of investment, prices, and production levels” “2. any of various social or political theories or movements in which the common welfare is to be achieved through the establishment of a socialist economic system” “3. (in Leninist theory) a transitional stage after the proletarian revolution in the development of a society from capitalism to communism: characterized by the distribution of income according to work rather than need”https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/socialism
“1 A political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.” “The term ‘socialism’ has been used to describe positions as far apart as anarchism, Soviet state Communism, and social democracy; however, it necessarily implies an opposition to the untrammelled workings of the economic market. The socialist parties that have arisen in most European countries from the late 19th century have generally tended towards social democracy” https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/socialism
“An economic system in which goods and services are provided through a central system of cooperative and/or government ownership rather than through competition and a free market system.”http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/socialism.html
“Socialism started out being defined as “government ownership of the means of production,” which is why the government of the Soviet Union confiscated all businesses, factories, and farms, murdering millions of dissenters and resistors in the process. It is also why socialist political parties in Europe, once in power, nationalized as many of the major industries (steel, automobiles, coal mines, electricity, telephone services) as they could. The Labour Party in post-World War II Great Britain would be an example of this.” - Dilorenzo, T. “The Problem with Socialism.” Regnery Publishing, Kindle 2016.
“The great majority of those I have asked, all of them qualified to speak with authority, not only give a definition, but their definitions come remarkably close together.” - “Socialism is the public ownership and operation of all the means of production.” - “Socialism ... is the collective ownership, through the state, of all the means of production and distribution.” “Socialism… is a proposed reorganization of industrial society which would substitute for the private ownership of land and the instruments of production public ownership, and for the private direction and management of industry, direction and management through public officials.” - “...the common ownership and operation of substantially all productive instruments.” - “Socialism is the collective ownership and democratic management of the social means of production for the common good.” - “Socialism… is that contemplated system of society which proposes the abolition of private property in the great material instruments of production, and the substitution therefor of collective property; and advocates the collective management of production, together with the distribution of social income by society, and private property in the larger proportion of this social income.” - [And this just goes on and on like this, with numerous people from 1911 saying the exact same thing.] From “The American Economic Review, Vol. 1, No. 2, Papers and Discussions of theTwenty-third Annual Meeting (Apr., 1911), pp. 347-354”
The Labour Party 2017 manifesto’s motto is “For the Many: Not the Few”. https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/labour-manifesto-2017.pdf On Page 4 states - “Labour will invest in the cutting-edge jobs and industries of the future that can improve everybody’s lives. Which is why this manifesto outlines a fully costed programme to upgrade our economy.” “Labour will change the law so that banks can’t close a branch where there is a clear local need, putting their customers first.” - which will increase costs and lower competition, P16. “Reinstate the lower small-business corporation tax rate” - decreasing the chance of small businesses and start-ups, creating an economy, P18. “Widening ownership of our economy” - is the headline on Page 19, stating “Many basic goods and services have been taken out of democratic control through privatisation.” “Bring private rail companies back into public ownership…” “Reverse the privatisation of Royal Mail at the earliest opportunity.” “Public ownership will benefit consumers [by increasing costs and prices, lowering productivity, and increasing taxes for the consumer?], ensuring that their interests are put first and that there is democratic accountability for the service.” That sounds exactly like state control and ownership of the economy.
So, what we have here is a clear definition of socialism. Socialism is the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). This is opposite to capitalism, which is the private (individual, non-state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). Socialism involves the abolishment of private property, state ownership or control of the means of production, and leads to policies like Autarky, nationalisation, and collectivisation. But the principle element is state control of the means of production, which is where the term “public sector” comes into it.
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"Nazism - Neo-Classical power architecture, classical german gothic aesthetic, norse folk law, strong religious ties (catholicism and cultural german protestantism), strong family structures, farther-son bonds, both these latter points meant as a reflection of the state (the state as a family) - the state acts as the family does, but sees the family as a way of reinforcing nationalism, and support of the party."
Yes, Nazism is the state. Because socialism is defined as the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). If it is the social (worker's state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy), then it's Marxism (which is what you think 'socialism' is). If it is the social (German/Aryan people's state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy), then it is National Socialism.
"Both authoritarian, both very different."
No, both are economically socialist, and politically authoritarian. So the purpose of the video is to show that economically they are the same, which they are.
"Criminals like to say they are not guilty of their crimes, in the same way Hitler told everyone he was a socialist, he wasn’t."
Funny because there's this little book called "Mein Kampf" where he basically spends the whole book desperately trying to show how different his version of socialism is to Marxist-Socialism (in my opinion, that's why the book is a load of waffle, because it took him so long to articulate his point). And finally about two thirds of the way through, he finally says what the difference is -
P406 “The racial Weltanschauung [world view] is fundamentally distinguished from the Marxist by reason of the fact that the former recognizes the significance of race and therefore also personal worth and has made these the pillars of its structure.” Hitler. A. “Mein Kampf.” Jaico Books, 2017.
P406-407 “If the National Socialist Movement should fail to understand the fundamental importance of this essential principle, if it should merely varnish the external appearance of the present State and adopt the majority principle, it would really do nothing more than compete with Marxism on its own ground. For that reason it would not have the right to call itself a Weltanschauung. If the social programme of the movement consisted in eliminating personality and putting the multitude in its place, then National Socialism would be corrupted with the poison of Marxism, just as our national-bourgeois parties are.”
"literally Hitler calls this the 3rd Reich, in reference to the Roman empire"
No, there were two previous German Reichs, and his is the third. Reich means "empire" and wealth in German.
"Your channel is great, but this is wrong."
Thank you. It does seem strange though that I'm so wrong when I point out the economic similarities between two ideologies.
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"Did it employ socialist policies, yes, so did Bismarck, the ideology however is not socialist, it was designed to be its anti thesis to fight socialism."
That's not true. It's anti-Marxist, but not anti-socialist. There's a difference between socialism and Marxism.
And the Labour Party in Britain have socialist policies - and they are socialist. Saying they're not because Britain is still capitalist overall is an invalid argument.
"national socialism is not socialism because it was devised as a nationalist alternative to goad the workers away from socialist movements to a fascist movement."
Or, that's what the Marxists want you to believe because they don't want you to make the connection.
There is Nationalism in National Socialism (obviously), but there is a big difference. Socialism is the social ownership of the means of production. If it is the social (worker) ownership of the means of production, then it's Marxism. If it is the social (German/Aryan) ownership of the means of production, then it is National Socialism.
And no, it wasn't Fascism either.
Interestingly, the neo-Nazis who have watched this video don't have a problem with it because they know that they're socialist (this was my main mistake, thinking they didn't know they were socialist). The only people disagreeing are Marxists and people who don't understand what National Socialism actually is, and who think it's capitalism (which it absolutely is not).
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Schacht centralized and heavily regulated the electricity production industry, which then sparked a new plan of economic administration. This was all in 1935. [Tooze's Wages of Destruction P111-112]
"...in practice the Reichsbank and the Reich Ministry of Economic Affairs had no intention of allowing the radical activists of the SA, the shopfloor militants of the Nazi party or Gauleiter commissioners to dictate the course of events. Under the slogan of the 'strong state', the ministerial bureaucracy fashioned a new national structure of economic regulation." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112
“We worked and governed with incredible elan. We really ruled. For the bureaucrats of the Ministry the contrast to the Weimar Republic was stark. Party chatter in the Reichstag was no longer heard. The language of the bureaucracy was rid of the paralysing formula: technically right but politically impossible.” - Schacht, speaking of the situation after 1933. Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112-113
"It would be absurd to deny the reality of this shift. The crisis of corporate capitalism in the course of the Great Depression did permanently alter the balance of power. Never again was big business to influence the course of government in German as directly as it did between the outbreak of World War I in 1914 and the onset of the Depression in 1929. The Reich's economic administration, for its part, accumulated unprecedented powers of national economic control." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P113
“Control over domestic resources was paralleled by centralized control over imports. Both countries [Nazi and Soviet] controlled and restricted international trade.” Temin, P580
"Both governments reorganized industry into larger units, ostensibly to increase state control over economic activity. The Nazis reorganized industry into 13 administrative groups with a large number of subgroups to create a private hierarchy for state control. The state therefore could direct the firms’ activities without acquiring direct ownership of enterprises. The pre-existing tendency to form cartels was encouraged to eliminate competition that would destabilize prices.” Temin, P582-583
Therefore, what we have here is a planned socialist economy, not capitalism.
Sources -
Temin, P. “Soviet and Nazi Economic Planning in the 1930s.” From The Economic History Review, New Series, Vol. 44, No. 4 (Nov., 1991), pp. 573-593 (21 pages). Jstor. https://www.jstor.org/stable/2597802?seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents
Tooze, A. “Wages of Destruction: The Making & Breaking of The Nazi Economy.” Penguin Books, 2007.
Reimann, G. “The Vampire Economy: Doing Business under Fascism.” Kindle, Mises Institute, 2007. Originally written in 1939.
(Accessed 04/10/2018)
https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Reichstagsbrandverordnung
http://home.wlu.edu/~patchw/His_214/_handouts/Weimar%20constitution.htm
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Weimar_constitution
http://www.zum.de/psm/weimar/weimar_vve.php
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"But if You move definition of socialism from it`s target to a form of economy, then any state with private owned business is not socialistic."
But it is how I defined it. It has a definition. I'm not moving the definition, socialism is heavy state control of the economy.
"As I understand, NS didn`t realy changed economical model of Germany. It remained capitalistic."
That's because you haven't been given all the information. It was not capitalism. Let me show you -
28 February 1933 -
Order of the Reich President for the Protection of People and State
On the basis of Article 48 paragraph 2 of the Constitution of the German Reich, the following is ordered in defense against Communist state-endangering acts of violence:
§ 1. Articles 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124 and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. It is therefore permissible to restrict the rights of personal freedom [habeas corpus], freedom of (opinion) expression, including the freedom of the press, the freedom to organize and assemble, the privacy of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communications. Warrants for House searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.”
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Articles of the Weimar Constitution affected -
Article 115.
The dwelling of every German is his sanctuary and is inviolable. Exceptions may be imposed only by authority of law.
Article 153.
Property shall be guaranteed by the constitution. Its nature and limits shall be prescribed by law.
Expropriation [noun, the action by the state or an authority of taking property from its owner for public use or benefit.] shall take place only for the general good and only on the basis of law. It shall be accompanied by payment of just compensation unless otherwise provided by national law. In case of dispute over the amount of compensation recourse to the ordinary courts shall be permitted, unless otherwise provided by national law. Expropriation by the Reich over against the states, municipalities, and associations serving the public welfare may take place only upon the payment of compensation.
Property imposes obligations. Its use by its owner shall at the same time serve the public good.
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By law, individuals couldn't own property. Therefore, they cannot own businesses. The 'privatization' that took place, in fact, is a slight of hand. And there are many instances where the government exercised their power by seizing a person's personal property or businesses. The Nazis nationalized industries that didn't do as they insisted, then 're-privatized' them. But in reality those businesses could only function as part of the state, and were under control by the state, and weren't really owned by their owners.
"The Nazis viewed private property as conditional on its use - not as a fundamental right. If the property was not being used to further Nazi goals, it could be nationalized.” Temin, P576
“Prof. Junkers of the Junkers aeroplane factory refused to follow the government’s bidding in 1934. The Nazis thereupon took over the plant, compensating Junkers for his loss. This was the context in which other contracts were negotiated.” Temin, P576-577
“Manufacturers in Germany were panic-stricken when they heard of the experiences of some industrialists who were more or less expropriated [had their property seized] by the State. These industrialists were visited by State auditors who had strict orders to “examine” the balance sheets and all bookkeeping entries of the company (or individual businessman) for the preceding two, three, or more years until some error or false entry was found. The slightest formal mistake was punished with tremendous penalties. A fine of millions of marks was imposed for a single bookkeeping error. Obviously, the examination of the books was simply a pretext for partial expropriation of the private capitalist with a view to complete expropriation and seizure of the desired property later. The owner of the property was helpless, since under fascism there is no longer an independent judiciary that protects the property rights of private citizens against the state. The authoritarian State has made it a principle that private property is no longer sacred.” - Reimann, Chapter II (no page number, as on Kindle)
Reimann, in 1939, quotes from a German businessman’s letter to an American businessman -
“The difference between this and the Russian system is much less than you think, despite the fact that officially we are still independent businessmen.” “Some businessmen have even started studying Marxist theories, so that they will have a better understanding of the present economic system.” “How can we possibly manage a firm according to business principles if it is impossible to make any predictions as to the prices at which goods are to be bought and sold? We are completely dependent on arbitrary Government decisions concerning quantity, quality and prices for foreign raw materials.” “You cannot imagine how taxation has increased. Yet everyone is afraid to complain about it. The new State loans are nothing but confiscation of private property, because no one believed that the Government will ever make repayment, nor even pay interest after the first few years.” “We businessmen still make sufficient profit, sometimes even large profits, but we never know how much we are going to be able to keep…”
“The government of a totalitarian State would not be “authoritarian” if the courts still functioned independently, as they do under liberal capitalism.” “The division of power between the executive or legislative branch on the one hand and the judicial branch on the other was formerly a guarantee to the owner of private property that his property rights would be protected even against his own government. The totalitarian State, in abolishing this separation of power, abolishes the sanctity of private property, which thereupon ceases to be a basic principle of society fundamental to State morality.” “Constitutionally the businessman still enjoys guarantees of property rights. But what is the value of such constitutional guarantees without courts that dare to defy the omnipotent bureaucracy or to enforce laws that are “out of date”?” - Reimann.
“There exists no law which binds the State. The State can do what it regards as necessary, because it has the authority.” “The next stage of National-Socialist economic policy consists of replacing capitalist laws by policy.” - Fritz Nonnenbruch, the financial editor of the Voelkischer Beobachter (quoted by Reimann).
“Such a system also changes the psychology of businessmen. Their experiences teach them that the old right of property no longer exists. They find themselves compelled to respect the “national interest” or the “welfare of the community.”” “Businessmen must claim that everything they do, any new business for which they want a certificate, any preferment in the supply of raw materials, etc., is “in the interest of the national community.”” - Reimann
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"But the German people were never in control of the state. It was Hitler and his clique who had the power."
The National-Socialist party was full of Germans. And was in every business and industry. Social mobility boomed during the Nazi era - that's why Hitler was replacing the old generals with a new generation of Nazi and SS generals, because he was promoting the common German. Your first sentence certainly doesn't hold up to the reality because the state was German.
"It was a capitalist country with a "strong" state."
That doesn't make any sense. Socialism is the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). Capitalism is the private (individual, non-state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). If the state is strong in the economy (which it was) then that is socialism.
"The production was collectivized, but the winnings were still privatized as before the Nazis came to power."
Winnings (or profit) is irrelevant to the discussion of whether the Nazi state was socialist or not. All that mattered was that the means of production were owned by the state, which is what you've just said.
"The surplus value(profits) that was produced by the workers was still going to the owners of the company, like in every other capitalist country then and now."
The "worker" is irrelevant to Nationalsocialism because Nationalsocialism is racial-socialism, not class-socialism (which is what Marxism is).
"The state took his share like before(taxes), but had more influence(laws + important positions in the companies) and could often dictate the production."
Exactly, and that's socialism.
"But the main point and difference is, the winnings where going to the private owners."
Again, irrelevant.
"In a socialist country, the surplus value(profits) goes to the proletarian state"
No it doesn't. In a socialist country, the state owns or controls the businesses. That is all. Profits don't matter. And also, you're describing Marxism, not socialism. Socialism pre-dates Marxism.
"the proletariat should have the political power to dictate the production."
Maybe in a class-socialist state, but not in a racial-socialist state. Again, we're talking about a different kind of socialism, and the laws of one type of socialism don't affect the laws of another.
"The surplus value of the workers were going to the state, but the bureaucratic caste had the power and was dictating the production."
And this was exactly the same in both the USSR and in National-Socialist Germany.
"So there was no dictatorship of the proletariat."
Of course there was. What happens when the workers rise up an seize the means of production? They form worker's councils. In Russian, these councils were called 'Soviets'. They become the government - the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. So this was a dictatorship of the proletariat.
"Btw your definition of marxism and socialism are the same."
No they're not. Read the brackets - Socialism is the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). If it is the social (worker's state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy), then it's Marxism (which is what you think 'socialism' is). If it is the social (German/Aryan people's state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy), then it is National Socialism.
In Marxism the workers are the social group in power. But socialism doesn't specify which social group is in power. It could be the worker-group (Marxist socialism), or the gender-group (e.g. feminist socialism), or the racial group (National-Socialism) etc.
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Socialism is the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). If it is the social (worker's state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy), then it's Marxism (which is what you think 'socialism' is). If it is the social (German/Aryan people's state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy), then it is National Socialism.
Therefore, there’s three things you need to realize. 1. socialism does not necessarily mean Marxist (class) Socialism. It could mean National (race) Socialism. 2. When I say National Socialism is socialism, I mean it’s socialism, not Marxism. 3. socialism is shown by the level of state control, which is opposite to capitalism, since capitalism is about less state control -
Capitalism is the private (individual, non-state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy).
Hitler is both anti-Marxist, and anti-capitalist because he thinks the Jews are causing a class crisis within capitalism to bring in Marxism, so that they can destroy the world. He therefore wants to bring in racial-socialism in order to stop this. The ideologies are opposed politically, but that doesn't mean they're opposites to each other economically.
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No, I was asking a genuine question. If he was German (and he is), then he is allowed to have property and businesses. If he was foreign, or Jewish, he wouldn't be allowed to have property or businesses. National Socialism is the social (German) ownership of the means of production. Germans can have businesses and private property. HOWEVER, the Race comes first. So, if the Race/state decides that you're not working for the race/state, you and your property and businesses can be seized, for the greater-German (socialist) race.
If you are non-German, your property and businesses are to be seized and you are to be 'removed' from society. The only issue is how the state will remove you. The Final Solution to that problem was execution.
For a Marxist, socialism is the social (worker) ownership of the means of production. This is different.
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“Control over domestic resources was paralleled by centralized control over imports. Both countries [Nazi and Soviet] controlled and restricted international trade.” Temin, P580
"Both governments reorganized industry into larger units, ostensibly to increase state control over economic activity. The Nazis reorganized industry into 13 administrative groups with a large number of subgroups to create a private hierarchy for state control. The state therefore could direct the firms’ activities without acquiring direct ownership of enterprises. The pre-existing tendency to form cartels was encouraged to eliminate competition that would destabilize prices.” Temin, P582-583
“The Soviets had made a similar move in the 1920s. Faced with a scarcity of administrative personnel, the state encouraged enterprises to combine into trusts and trusts to combine into syndicates. These large units continued into the 1930s where they were utilized to bridge the gap between overall plans and actual production.” Temin, P583
"“... this difference was not important to many decisions. The incentives for managers - both positive and negative - were very similar in the two countries. Consequently, their responses to the [Four or Five Year] plans were also similar. In neither case did the managers set the goals of the plans.” Temin, P590-591
“Like Hitler, Backe saw the mission of National Socialism as being the supersession of the rotten rule of the bourgeoisie. Far from being impractical, Backe’s ideology provided a grand historical rationale for the extreme protectionism already implemented by the nationalist agrarians. Far from being backward looking, Backe’s vision assigned to National Socialism the mission of achieving a reconciliations of the unresolved contradictions of nineteenth-century liberalism. It was not National Socialism but the Victorian ideology of the free market that was the outdated relic of a bygone era. After the economic disasters of the early 1930s there was no good reason to cling to such a dangerous archaic doctrine. The future belonged to a new system of economic organization capable of ensuring both the security of the national food supply and the maintenance of a healthy farming community as the source of racial vitality.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P174
[Tooze's Wages of Destruction P179-180] Because Germany didn’t have enough land to feed her population, both Backe and Hitler (and others) wanted to expand eastwards. The local populations were to be impacted by German ‘rearrangement’. “Those left in place were to serve as slave labour on German settler farms. The SS was to be the sword and shield of this settler movement.”
On the 26th of September 1933, Darré and Backe created the “Erbhof” law. [Tooze's Wages of Destruction P182]
“For the purpose of protecting the peasantry as the ‘Blood Source of the German People’, the law proposed to create a new category of farm, the Erbhof (hereditary farm), protected by debt, insulated from market forces and passed down from generation to generation within racially pure peasant families. The law applied to all farms that were sufficient in size to provide a German family with an adequate standard of living (an Achernahrung, later defined as a minimum of c. 7.5 hectares), but did not exceed 125 hectares.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P182
“The term ‘peasant’ (Bauer) was henceforth defined as an honorary title, reserved for those registered on the Role. Those not entered in the Erbhofrolle were henceforth to be referred to merely as ‘farmers’ (Landwirte). Entry in the Rolle protected the Erbhof for ever against the nightmare of repossession. By the same token, it also imposed constraints. Erbhoefe could not be sold. Nor could they be used as security against mortgages. Farms registered as Erbhoefe were thus removed from the free disposal of their immediate owners. Regardless of existing arrangements between spouses, Erbhoefe were to have a single, preferably male, owner who was required to document his line of descent, at least as far back as 1800, the same requirements as for civil servants. ‘Peasants’ were to be of German or ‘similar stock’ (Stammesgleich), a provision that excluded Jews, or anyone of partial Jewish descent.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P182-183
“The line of inheritance was now fixed in law.” P183 [clearly not free-market capitalism]
“Coupled with this extraordinary intervention in the property rights of German peasants was an equally drastic programme of debt reduction. Backe and Darré proposed that the Erbhof farmers should assume collective responsibility for each other’s debts. The debts of all Erbhoefe, variously estimated at between 6 and 9 billion Reichsmarks, were to be transferred to the Rentenbank Kreditanstalt, a state-sponsored mortgage bank. The Rentenbank would repay the original creditors with interest ranging between 2 and 4 per cent depending on the security of the original loan. ” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P183 [no more personal debt for these farmers, but collective debt]
Hitler approved of this plan, despite opposition from Junkers, some peasants and Schacht (as well as others). He then decided that it would go through, after negotiations. P184. Unfortunately for Darré and Schacht, they had to shelve the debt-relief idea and come up with a compromise ‘grant’ scheme instead for peasants who were in debt. P185 They also had to relax the inheritance elements of the law to appease the peasants. P185-186 Rate of enrollment for those farms that fitted the bill was high. It wasn’t enough to ‘transform the structure of land ownership in Germany.” P186 But it did have an impact. “It consolidated a group of farms whose average size nationally was just less than 20 hectares, a figure that was soon to be defined as the ideal size for efficient family farming in the new order of German agriculture.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P186
“The second fundamental step taken by Darré and Backe in the autumn of 1933 was the organization of the Reichsnaehrstand (RNS). It is not too much to say that the setting up of this organization and its associated system of price and production controls marked the end of the free market for agricultural produce in Germany. Agriculture and food production, which until the mid-nineteenth century had been overwhelmingly [-P187] the most important part of the German economy and which still in the 1930s constituted a very significant element of national product, were removed from the influence of market forces. As Backe clearly articulated even before 1933, the mechanism of price-setting was the key. The RNS made use of prices to regulate production.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P186-187
So, with the above quotes, we can see that private property was abolished and that the capitalist businessmen were in trouble. They were not, as some claim, "supporting Hitler" and ruling the roost. They were under the socialist thumb. Similarly we have a heavy-state involvement in land reform in order to ‘socialize’ it. We also have price controls and high taxes restricting any effective ‘capitalism’ that may have been going on in the economy. All this is in addition to the fact that Hitler had restricted Germany’s trade with the world (“international-Jewish-finance” as he called it), severely limiting capitalism. Therefore, what we have here is a planned socialist economy, not capitalism.
Sources -
Temin, P. “Soviet and Nazi Economic Planning in the 1930s.” From The Economic History Review, New Series, Vol. 44, No. 4 (Nov., 1991), pp. 573-593 (21 pages). Jstor. https://www.jstor.org/stable/2597802?seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents
Tooze, A. “Wages of Destruction: The Making & Breaking of The Nazi Economy.” Penguin Books, 2007.
Reimann, G. “The Vampire Economy: Doing Business under Fascism.” Kindle, Mises Institute, 2007. Originally written in 1939.
(Accessed 04/10/2018)
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"Your account of socialism is so simplistic that it will mislead people - and this could be damaging for those who seek a better world through socialism." "Modern socialists - such as myself - do not necessarily agree that the USSR was socialist (or Cuba - or China)."
I see your agenda sir. And yes, those states you listed were socialist.
"State intervention does not equal socialism"
Capitalism is the private (individual, non-state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy).
Socialism is the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). If it is the social (worker's state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy), then it's Marxism (which is what you think 'socialism' is). If it is the social (German/Aryan people's state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy), then it is National Socialism.
So yes, yes it does mean state. It is the exact opposite of capitalism. Heavy state is socialist.
Hitler is both anti-Marxist, and anti-capitalist because he thinks the Jews are causing a class crisis within capitalism to bring in Marxism, so that they can destroy the world. He therefore wants to bring in racial-socialism in order to stop this. And he brings it in.
People have claimed he wasn't socialist because of privatization and his attack on trade unionism. These claims to not hold up to scruitiny. I will explain this ‘privatization’ by showing that the first thing Hitler does when he gets into power is get rid of private property (which, in turn, allows the state to take control of the economy) -
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28 February 1933 -
Order of the Reich President for the Protection of People and State
On the basis of Article 48 paragraph 2 of the Constitution of the German Reich, the following is ordered in defense against Communist state-endangering acts of violence:
§ 1. Articles 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124 and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. It is therefore permissible to restrict the rights of personal freedom [habeas corpus], freedom of (opinion) expression, including the freedom of the press, the freedom to organize and assemble, the privacy of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communications. Warrants for House searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.”
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Articles of the Weimar Constitution affected -
Article 115.
The dwelling of every German is his sanctuary and is inviolable. Exceptions may be imposed only by authority of law.
Article 153.
Property shall be guaranteed by the constitution. Its nature and limits shall be prescribed by law.
Expropriation [noun, the action by the state or an authority of taking property from its owner for public use or benefit.] shall take place only for the general good and only on the basis of law. It shall be accompanied by payment of just compensation unless otherwise provided by national law. In case of dispute over the amount of compensation recourse to the ordinary courts shall be permitted, unless otherwise provided by national law. Expropriation by the Reich over against the states, municipalities, and associations serving the public welfare may take place only upon the payment of compensation.
Property imposes obligations. Its use by its owner shall at the same time serve the public good.
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By law, individuals couldn't own property. Therefore, they cannot own businesses. The 'privatization' that took place, in fact, is a slight of hand. And there are many instances where the government exercised their power by seizing a person's personal property or businesses. The Nazis nationalized industries that didn't do as they insisted, then 're-privatized' them. But in reality those businesses could only function as part of the state, and were under control by the state, and weren't really owned by their owners.
"The Nazis viewed private property as conditional on its use - not as a fundamental right. If the property was not being used to further Nazi goals, it could be nationalized.” Temin, P576
“Prof. Junkers of the Junkers aeroplane factory refused to follow the government’s bidding in 1934. The Nazis thereupon took over the plant, compensating Junkers for his loss. This was the context in which other contracts were negotiated.” Temin, P576-577
“Manufacturers in Germany were panic-stricken when they heard of the experiences of some industrialists who were more or less expropriated [had their property seized] by the State. These industrialists were visited by State auditors who had strict orders to “examine” the balance sheets and all bookkeeping entries of the company (or individual businessman) for the preceding two, three, or more years until some error or false entry was found. The slightest formal mistake was punished with tremendous penalties. A fine of millions of marks was imposed for a single bookkeeping error. Obviously, the examination of the books was simply a pretext for partial expropriation of the private capitalist with a view to complete expropriation and seizure of the desired property later. The owner of the property was helpless, since under fascism there is no longer an independent judiciary that protects the property rights of private citizens against the state. The authoritarian State has made it a principle that private property is no longer sacred.” - Reimann, Chapter II (no page number, as on Kindle)
Reimann, in 1939, quotes from a German businessman’s letter to an American businessman -
“The difference between this and the Russian system is much less than you think, despite the fact that officially we are still independent businessmen.” “Some businessmen have even started studying Marxist theories, so that they will have a better understanding of the present economic system.” “How can we possibly manage a firm according to business principles if it is impossible to make any predictions as to the prices at which goods are to be bought and sold? We are completely dependent on arbitrary Government decisions concerning quantity, quality and prices for foreign raw materials.” “You cannot imagine how taxation has increased. Yet everyone is afraid to complain about it. The new State loans are nothing but confiscation of private property, because no one believed that the Government will ever make repayment, nor even pay interest after the first few years.” “We businessmen still make sufficient profit, sometimes even large profits, but we never know how much we are going to be able to keep…”
“There exists no law which binds the State. The State can do what it regards as necessary, because it has the authority.” “The next stage of National-Socialist economic policy consists of replacing capitalist laws by policy.” - Fritz Nonnenbruch, the financial editor of the Voelkischer Beobachter (quoted by Reimann).
“The life of the German businessman is full of contradictions. He cordially dislikes the gigantic, top-heavy, bureaucratic State machine which is strangling his economic independence. Yet he needs the aid of these despised bureaucrats more and more, and is forced to run after them, begging for concessions, privileges, grants, in fear that his competitor will gain the advantage.” - Reimann
“Such a system also changes the psychology of businessmen. Their experiences teach them that the old right of property no longer exists. They find themselves compelled to respect the “national interest” or the “welfare of the community.”” “Businessmen must claim that everything they do, any new business for which they want a certificate, any preferment in the supply of raw materials, etc., is “in the interest of the national community.”” - Reimann
Schacht centralized and heavily regulated the electricity production industry, which then sparked a new plan of economic administration. This was all in 1935. [Tooze's Wages of Destruction P111-112]
"...in practice the Reichsbank and the Reich Ministry of Economic Affairs had no intention of allowing the radical activists of the SA, the shopfloor militants of the Nazi party or Gauleiter commissioners to dictate the course of events. Under the slogan of the 'strong state', the ministerial bureaucracy fashioned a new national structure of economic regulation." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112
“We worked and governed with incredible elan. We really ruled. For the bureaucrats of the Ministry the contrast to the Weimar Republic was stark. Party chatter in the Reichstag was no longer heard. The language of the bureaucracy was rid of the paralysing formula: technically right but politically impossible.” - Schacht, speaking of the situation after 1933. Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112-113
"It would be absurd to deny the reality of this shift. The crisis of corporate capitalism in the course of the Great Depression did permanently alter the balance of power. Never again was big business to influence the course of government in German as directly as it did between the outbreak of World War I in 1914 and the onset of the Depression in 1929. The Reich's economic administration, for its part, accumulated unprecedented powers of national economic control." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P113
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As I've just replied to Yak elsewhere - Socialism is the social ownership of the means of production. If it is the social (worker) ownership of the means of production, then it's Marxism. If it is the social (German/Aryan) ownership of the means of production, then it is National Socialism.
If a businessman was German, then he is allowed to have property and businesses. If he was foreign, or Jewish, he wouldn't be allowed to have property or businesses. National Socialism is the social (German) ownership of the means of production. Germans can have businesses and private property. HOWEVER, the Race comes first. So, if the Race/state decides that you're not working for the race/state, you and your property and businesses can be seized, for the greater-German (socialist) race.
If you are non-German, your property and businesses are to be seized and you are to be 'removed' from society. The only issue is how the state will remove you. The Final Solution to that problem was execution.
For a Marxist, socialism is the social (worker) ownership of the means of production. This is different.
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Watched that video, and it doesn't debunk anything. All it does is confirm that it wasn't Marxist-Socialism... which it wasn't.
When talking about the Strength Through Joy program at 14:00 in, the narrator even says "the program was intended to replace the demand for trade unions and prevent class consciousness from developing, that might have become a threat to the Nazi government. The program didn't separate between the average workers and their bosses in an attempt to get people behind the idea on a community based on ethnicity_" Yes, that's because Hitler was anti-Marxist. He wanted to promote an _ethnic version of socialism, not class socialism. This video actually confirms this.
At around 15:50 he says it was a planned economy, but that the means of production remained in private hands "if you were German, that is". And the owners of the means of production had to obey what the Nazis said, which is exactly what a racist version of socialism is. At 16:25 "from that point on, the economy was in complete control of the government" - yep, sounds very free market capitalist to me... (no sarcasm at all). He says this was done for the war - except we know it was done from 1933 onwards, and had infact been implimented by 1935 at the latest.
18:00 onwards he talks about why there was anti-capitalism in the Nationalsocialist German Workers Party... and then fails to understand that it was anti-capitalist. If it was anti-capitalist, and got rid of trade unions (which are actually allowed under capitalism), and ended trade with the outside world in favour of autarky, then how can it also be pro-capitalist? The reason industry was nationalised and then privatized again was because the Nationalsocialist Party had "socialized the people", to quote Hitler. He didn't need to nationalize the industries, since they had removed the other races from business. The social race owned the means of production, not the class.
He mentions the socialisation of the health industry at around 24:00, but fails to grasp its significance. I think this is because he doesn't fully understand that socialism is not necessarily based on class. Again, socialism is the social ownership of the means of production. If it is the social (worker) ownership of the means of production, then it's Marxism. If it is the social (German/Aryan) ownership of the means of production, then it is National Socialism. The Nazis were socialists.
He talks about the secret state police (Gestapo) at around 30:00. Again, failing to see that the state police are able to forcefully remove you from society if you do not conform, saying "being tortured, gassed, and worked to death". Ok then, who owned the torture chambers? Which private business owned the gas chambers? Who owned the police? Who owned the slave labour camps of the Reich, or allocated them to German industries? It was the socialist (public) state.
He asks the question "was Hitler influenced by Marx?" The answer is yes - which I agree. I agree he detested Marxism. "There are some passages in Mein Kampf where Hitler talks about socialism and seems to be in support of it" - hmmmm... maybe that's because socialism is not Marxism. But no, he does down the "he tricked the workers with the word 'socialism'" route, which just doesn't add up. He then quotes from a book which states "Since struggle among nations would be decisive for future survival, Germany's economy had to be subordinated to the preparation, then carrying out, of this struggle. This meant that liberal ideas of economic competition had to be replaced by the subjection of the economy to the dictates of the national interest." "...the state, not the market, would determine the shape of economic development. Capitalism was, therefore, left in place [directly contradicted by the next sentence]. But in operation it was turned into an adjunct of the state."
He then goes on to accuse anyone who thinks that Nationalsocialism is Left Wing is only doing so because they have an agenda, and because we refuse to think about the other side. Actually, I also believed National Socialism wasn't socialism, and that it was capitalism, and that it couldn't be socialism because it wasn't based on class... until about a couple weeks before this video. For most of my life I have thought that National Socialism was capitalism. Now I see that Nationalsocialism is anti-capitalism, anti-Marxist, and socialism.
He then concludes - "They're anti-semitic, anti-Marxist, extremely nationalistic, and favoured expansion - all undeniably positions of the German Right."
Really? Because the reason Hitler wanted to expand Eastwards was the same reason he was anti-capitalist and anti-Marxist. He thought that the capitalist-class-struggle was created by the Jews, so that they could bring about Marxism, allowing them to become equal to the Aryan, and thus impregnate and mix the blood of the Aryan, which would in-turn bring down the fall of civilization. Hitler therefore wants to end capitalism to stop the class struggle, bring about a socialist-German-Aryan state, destroy Marxism, and destroy the Jews. Yes, there are elements of nationalism in there, but there's also socialism in there too. That's why it's called (drum roll) Nationalsocialism.
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There was evidence in the video, and the follow up one. It's just this video got targeted by postmodernist Marxists who misinterpretated what I said, and proceeded to make false claims about the nature of the National Socialist economy and society. I'm not redoing the video because 1) it doesn't need to be redone, 2) no matter what I post now, it will be targeted by the Marxists. When I uploaded the second video, it was downvoted 7 times in the first minute. They hadn't even watched it. I could have been saying "I'm sorry, I was wrong" but no, they're not interested in reasonable discourse. Instead, swearing and calling people names is their agenda. Well, I prefer reason and logic, and if they're not willing to listen or make effective counter arguments, there's zero reason to redo the video, since the points made were not discussed in the correct way.
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Convenient that you must go, but had time to write an answer to everything except the one thing that was important: the answer to my question - what is your definition of socialism? Very convenient.
Ultimately, your definition of socialism is either incorrect, or it's the same definition that I'm using, which is why you're unwilling to state it (you're not the first socialist who's failed to answer me on this either). Either way, you're making the typical socialist counterargument to deny any and all failures of socialism to not be "real socialism" in the hope that your socialism will finally be the "good" one.
Socialism has a definition. And that definition is the one that came out of the 1800's - state ownership and control of the means of production. You can try take exception to every example of socialism, but ultimately you will have to face the fact that socialism leads to instability, violence, slavery of the workers, immorality, directly leads to poverty, the killing fields of Cambodia, and is responsible for the Final Solution.
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"And the armies of the Roman republc were state armies."
Really? So it wasn't a collection of private citizens with private armour who gathered together to protect city? Just like with the vast majority of Greek city-states (exceptions being Sparta, which again is an early example of socialism), citizens weren't funded by the state. State-ownership of the army only came after the Marius reforms. Prior to the Marius reforms, private citizens paid for their own equipment and their own food etc. Marius changed this by having the state own the army. To quote from Wikipedia -
"Because the poor citizens could not afford to purchase their own weapons and armor, Marius arranged for the state to supply them with arms. He thus offered the disenfranchised masses permanent employment for pay as professional soldiers and the opportunity to gain spoils on campaign." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_reforms
It's worth noting that it was this reform which led to the formation of the Roman Empire and the corruption and civil war within it. Loyalty passed to the generals, and Caesar/Augustus used this to then destroy the Republic.
"Even feudal armies cannot be considered private, as dukes and aristocrats were the public power in the land."
Landed property is private ownership (obviously). This is why dukes would be uncooperative and could rebel in the middle of battle, which is actually what happened on numerous occasions. They didn't want to sacrifice their own army, or themselves, which would be costly. The difference here is that they didn't just own the land, they owned the people on the land (slaves, or in this case serfs).
"Private armies and police (like pinkertons or Pompey...) are the exception historically. No stable civilisation could survive with rich oligarchs having their own armies."
What are you talking about? Most of the examples you've just stated didn't use public armies, and relied on private armies. Rich oligarchs owning their own armies was the basis of the foundation of the Roman Republic, which was far more stable and richer than the later Empire. The Empire collapsed under the weight of its own tax and state-owned economic policies.
"And by the way, the concept of socialism appeared in the nineteenth century!!!!!!!!!"
To use your own terminology - wrong. There was a book called the "Republic" written by Plato which outlines state-ownership or control of the means of production as the more "moral" outcome (which is incorrect, but besides the point). The Spartan submitted themselves to the state, which was the very basis of their organization (more fascist-socialist). The term "socialism" originated in or around the time of Owen's New Harmony, but the concept had been born before that. Utopianism is the predecessor for socialism. Socialism in its modern usage originated in the French Revolution, and is the state-ownership of the means of production.
And now it's my turn. If socialism isn't the state ownership of the means of production, I'd like you to define it for me. Please tell me what "real" socialism is. I can't to see you state something like "collective" ownership, or "for the workers" (which is Marxist socialism btw) or similar. This is going to be interesting.
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"@TIK You didnt uderstand what i said
Yes : Those wealthy families you mentioned would be private ownership of the means of production since they are not the state, and therefore capitalism --> Therefore Nazi Germany is capitalist, by your own definition."
I don't follow. You mentioned a bunch of private individuals who had private industries in the Weimar era, who then lost all their property rights, were nationalised and effectively became little more than managers within the state-bureaucratic system. How does this prove that what I said it was capitalism? Did you not read my previous post?
""State armies only became a regular thing after the English Civil War."
Wrong. The Roman empire did have a standing state army organised into a number of legions, auxiliary units, imperial and senatorial provinces and so on. Sources for this are easily found. And it lasted dor hundred of years until the very collapse of the Roman empire."
I said REGULAR thing. I'm not saying there weren't any state armies, but they simply weren't the norm. And in fact this proves my point. The Roman republic relied on private armies, whereas the Roman Empire relied on state armies (plus more). Therefore, it could be argued that the Roman Empire was socialist, which undermines your original argument.
"The privately operated system became ineffective, so in the interest of keeping himself and Rome safe, Augustus instituted a new public firefighting force called the Vigiles." "In AD 6, Augustus levied a 4% tax on the sale of slaves and used the proceeds to set up the new force." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigiles
Ah, so this is a good example of socialism in the Roman Empire then. Again, thank you for providing extra evidence that undermines your own initial argument.
And again, when I said the public police force was only created in 1829, I actually meant that there weren't any publicly owned state police forces in the years before and that a regular police force only became a thing after 1829, which is true. The Vigiles weren't around in 1828.
"Royal assent to the Metropolitan Police Act 1829 was given and the Metropolitan Police Service was established on September 29, 1829 in London as the first modern and professional police force in the world." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police#Metropolitan_police_force
From the same wikipedia article you linked. Again, this is an example of socialism, since public-state police forces didn't exist in Britain before the 1820's and for most of the world. Yes there are some exceptions, but that's the point I'm making. You don't have to have a public-state police force, which is socialism. You can have a privately owned police force, which would be capitalism. So, yes, my definition of socialism is correct. Socialism is the state ownership of the means of production.
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"I can find countless other mentions. But you know better than Hitler and Goebbels"
I didn't say National-Socialism was Bolshevism/Marxist-Socialism. The National-Socialists and Fascists (different again) hated Marxist-Socialists. There's no law saying that socialists can't hate other socialists. So your quotes don't actually undermine my argument in the slightest.
"Just because there are some ideas or methods that resembles what socialist ideas and methods doesnt mean they are a branch of socialism!"
The central core tenant of socialism is in its definition. Socialism is the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). The National-Socialist, Fascist, Marxist and democratic-socialist regimes all have the same thing in common - state ownership or control of the economy. That is the definition of socialism. Economically they have the same goal in mind. Politically they are different, and that's why the National-Socialists want to kill Jews and so on, whereas the Marxists want to kill "Kulaks" and the "bourgeoisie".
The Nazis banned private property in the February of 1933, they nationalized the industries (they invented the term "privatization", but that was actually a slight of hand to mask the fact that they were in total control of the economy), removed private trade unions and replaced them with the state union (the German Labour Front), they reorganized the economy into 13 separate sectors in order for their bureaucracy to run it easier, they stopped trading with foreign powers outside of their sphere of influence, if you wanted resources or manpower they forced you to go through the bureaucracy, they attempted a land reform policy (admittingly it wasn't super successful, but they attempted it), and they implemented the Final Solution (which wasn't private enterprise, but was the state). All of this was socialism, not capitalism (the private ownership of the means of production).
Socialism is the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). If it is the social (worker's state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy), then it's Marxism (which is what you think 'socialism' is). If it is the social (German/Aryan people's state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy), then it is National Socialism.
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If Hitler wasn't a socialist, then he didn't have total control of the means of production, which means his regime wasn't totalitarian. So either Hitler was a socialist, or he wasn't totalitarian. Pick your poison.
You're right that he disbanded the free-market trade unions, but he replaced them with the state trade union. That's a sign of socialism. Yes he banned non-National-Socialist parties, that doesn't make him un-socialist. The Bolsheviks fough the other non-Bolshevik parties - does that make them non-Marxist? Hitler makes it clear in Mein Kampf that he was a socialist, and that there's only one thing that separates him from being a Marxist -
“The racial Weltanschauung [world view] is fundamentally distinguished from the Marxist by reason of the fact that the former recognizes the significance of race and therefore also personal worth and has made these the pillars of its structure.” - Hitler, Mein Kampf, P406
“If the National Socialist Movement should fail to understand the fundamental importance of this essential principle, if it should merely varnish the external appearance of the present State and adopt the majority principle, it would really do nothing more than compete with Marxism on its own ground. For that reason it would not have the right to call itself a Weltanschauung. If the social programme of the movement consisted in eliminating personality and putting the multitude in its place, then National Socialism would be corrupted with the poison of Marxism, just as our national-bourgeois parties are.” - Hitler, Mein Kampf, P406-407
So yes, the only difference between Marxism and National Socialism is the RACE.
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Sorry for late reply.
"Martin is describing proper socialism, but not what most people in the UK would think of when people talk about socialism, they think about paying higher taxes for better schools and hospitals."
But this is a form of socialism. According to a lot of criticism in the comments though, this isn't a form of socialism - which it absolutely is. Socialism (for me) is heavy state intervention or a centrally planned economy which 'seizes the means of production' (which doesn't necessarily mean a revolution) and solves (or at least attempts to solve) the class struggle. I may be missing something out here, but this definition would encompass every socialist movement within history (British Labour, Scandinavia, Venezuela, Soviet Union, National Socialism etc). Whereas, the distinction between what I'm saying and Martin seems to be the 'government ownership' aspect.
"So when you say NS = Socialism, I ask: Did they have planned economy?"
Yes. To quote Tooze, Wages of Destruction -
"The crisis of corporate capitalism in the course of the Great Depression did permanently alter the balance of power. Never again was big business to influence the course of government in German as directly as it did between the outbreak of World War I in 1914 and the onset of the Depression in 1929. The Reich's economic administration, for its part, accumulated unprecedented powers of national economic control." - P113
And as Tooze points out on Page 112, the party had "radical activists of the SA", "shopfloor militants" and "Gauleiter commissioners" meddling in businesses. However, then -
"Under the slogan of the 'strong state', the ministerial bureaucracy fashioned a new national structure of economic regulation."
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"Did they recognized classes as a problem?"
Yes. But once they got rid of the Jews, in their minds, they resolved the classes.
"Did they have 90%+ government ownership?"
Well, this depends. Did the government actually 'own' the businesses? Well, they didn't 'nationalize' the businesses, because Hitler said there was no need to once they got rid of the Jews. However, now that the Jews were gone, the Aryan people were in charge - which meant there was no need to nationalize it since the Aryans had seized the means of production, and therefore, since the Aryans were the state, the state owned it by default. In Hitler's mind, in addition to the "shopfloor militants" and so on, this was state ownership. And this is what he said to Strasser in 1930.
But even if this isn't classed as ownership, I would classify the Labour Movement in Britain as socialist - even if a significant portion of the businesses weren't owned by the state. And in my definition of socialism (heavy state intervention or a centrally planned economy which 'seizes the means of production' and solves the class struggle), this does classify as socialism.
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Great! So, out of curiosity, what is the element(s) of the "NS = socialism" argument that I've put forth that don't make sense to you? I'm asking so that maybe I can see where it is I've not explained right, and then try reframe it.
"Of course, that time was primarily, both ideologically and socio-economically, concerned with nationalization - no private ownership, no private anything, only possessions, and strict control of the economy by the government - that was socialism." - see, I'd say that's communism. I think there's a difference between Marxist theory and Marxist practice.
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Socialism is the social ownership of the means of production. If it is the social (worker) ownership of the means of production, then it's Marxism. If it is the social (German/Aryan) ownership of the means of production, then it is National Socialism.
If a businessman was German, then he is allowed to have property and businesses. If he was foreign, or Jewish, he wouldn't be allowed to have property or businesses. National Socialism is the social (German) ownership of the means of production. Germans can have businesses and private property. HOWEVER, the Race comes first. So, if the Race/state decides that you're not working for the race/state, you and your property and businesses can be seized, for the greater-German (socialist) race.
If you are non-German, your property and businesses are to be seized and you are to be 'removed' from society. The only issue is how the state will remove you. The Final Solution to that problem was execution.
For a Marxist, socialism is the social (worker) ownership of the means of production. This is different.
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So, here is the way you should see the political spectrum -
Left Marxism/communism/socialism/NationalSocialism - Fascism - minor socialists (Labour Party and liberals) - capitalists (conservatives etc) Right
The Left are pro-state and pro-public ownership of the means of production (socialism). The Right are anti-state and pro-private ownership of the means of production (capitalism).
So, when fighting against a Nationalsocialist, they best way to fight against them is to attack their socialism. Let me give you an example of an argument you could make -
(I reject the idea that people should be put into groups. Are we not individuals? There are bad/lazy 'white' men who sponge off society, just as much as there are bad/lazy 'foreign' men. Why do the 'white' men get a free pass? If a person feels like they're being oppressed at work, it's not because they're part of a group, it's because they're bad/lazy at their job. Some people are naturally better at work than others and will rise up the ranks. If you're one of these people who are getting 'oppressed' it's not society's fault that you didn't work hard or act in the wrong way. It is not the government/society's role to make everything better for you (the nanny state), but for you to take responsibility for your life. If you're not in demand, you need to make yourself valuable, so that you become something others want. When you're in demand you will rise up the ladder. Others do not care for this and will stay at the bottom. And that's fine, but they then have no right to take the property of others just because others did the work and they didn't. That's not fair on those who don't actually work. And I don't want to share my money and my profits or my property with others. I worked for what I have, so it is mine. If the 'foreigners' came here, they did the same. Taking from one person and giving to another just encourages lazy/bad habits in people, and will/has resulted in poor economies throughout history whenever socialism has been implemented. Also, I believe in lower taxation, and less-state ownership. I don't trust the government and I don't want them dictating to me what I can or cannot do. We don't want to give them too much power, because that always leads to problems.)
Or something like that. And, even if you don't agree entirely with the points raised in the bracketed paragraph, if you want to fight against Nazis, your best bet is to attack their anti-individualism, their anti-capitalism, their anti-semitism, and their pro-socialism all at the same time.
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"If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles." - Sun Tzu
If you know what National Socialism is, you can fight it. If you don't know what it is, you're not going to be able to fight against it.
"So, I'm not really clear how this relates to Holocaust denial."
Exactly. You don't understand what National Socialism is. Therefore, you're going be attacking them only on their racism, and lose the other side of the battle.
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This post is long, but I've written it because I want you to understand this so that you can fight back against the neo-Nazis more vigorously. So, if you want to fihgt back against the Nazis, this post will give you all the ammunition you need to do so. So it should be well-worth it to you.
And also, knowing what a Nazi is and what they stand for doesn't mean you're going to suddenly find yourself recruited to their cause. Misunderstanding what they are, and not fighting back against them effectively as a result, will actually help them more than hinder them. So I'm telling you what National Socialism is so that you're armed and able to fight back against them. If you grasp what I'm saying, this will help you immensely.
So... you think (as I used to think) that this is the political spectrum -
Left Marxism/communism/socialism - moderates (libs/conservatives etc) - Fascism/National Socialism Right
Also, the Left (socialism) generally appeals to 'workers' and the Right generally appeals to 'businessmen' and 'aristocrats' (capitalism).
So, you think National Socialism is actually racist-capitalism.
But what exactly is socialism?
Socialism is the social (public/state) ownership of the means of production. It is a rejection of the private ownership of the means of production (capitalism). It is a rejection of free markets. It is a rejection of supply and demand. It is a rejection of private property and business. And it believes that the world is split into social groups.
You think that socialism is the workers (a social group) rising up and taking the ownership of the means of production is ALL socialism. No, this only describes Marxist-socialism, not all socialisms. The workers in Britain didn't rise up and take the means of production. Instead the Labour Party took certain industries and put them in state-ownership (public ownership - which is why it's called the Public Sector). There was still private ownership, but the Labour Party moved Britain down a more socialist path. And the point is, you can have socialist policies and socialist parties within capitalism. Socialism is the public/social/state ownership of the means of production.
Capitalism rejects the idea of the state owning businesses. Capitalism wants free markets and the natural order of supply and demand to dictate how the economy is run. It believes in international trade, and stock exchanges, private property etc.
National Socialism rejects capitalism in both theory and in practice. By 1934, Hitler had closed Germany's borders and brought trade with foreign countries to a trickle. He'd almost crashed the German economy by the end of 1934. Now, some will say "oh, this is only because he didn't know what he was doing". No, he wanted to do this from at least a decade before when he wrote Mein Kampf in 1924.
A Nazi rejects capitalism because he thinks capitalism is a Jewish-plot. In the Nazi mind, the Jew is trying to create a class-struggle so as to bring about Marxism. When Marxism has taken over, this will allow the Jews to interbreed with all the Aryans and bring about the fall of civilization (yes, it's crazy, but that's what a Nazi thinks).
So, what a Nazi wants to do is end capitalism to prevent Marxism from happening. In order to prevent Marxism (which is communism) from happening, they will introduce socialism into the country. BUT it is not Marxist socialism (since they reject that), and is therefore not based on class. It is a different type of socialism that they call "Nationalsozialismus" (notice that the words in German are together, not separate).
A socialist sees the world in social groups. We're not individuals, we're 'white', 'Jewish', 'workers', 'bourgeoisie' etc. To see us as individuals is to accept capitalism and the Scientific Method (which they reject because science tells us that we are individuals, because that's a central theme to science). For a Marxist Socialist, the world is split into class-groups. For a National Socialist, the world is split into racial groups. A Marxist will remove the bad classes to end the class struggle. A Nazi will remove the bad racial classes to end the class struggle.
Removing the Jews from society isn't just an example of racism, it is an example of socialism.
A Nazi isn't looking to just remove bad elements of society because he doesn't like them. He's removing them to improve the welfare of the race that he's defending. So a British-Nazi want to remove foreigners so that he can improve the lives of the white-British people. It is racism, but it's also socialism.
If it was capitalism, artificially removing the foreigners from society would be a rejection of free-market forces. Supply and demand also dictates that those foreigners were there for a reason. Maybe there was a certain skill-set that these foreigners had that the locals didn't have, so they came to Britain in order to fill that role. Maybe there was a worker-shortage, so supply and demand meant that they came here to fill the empty business positions. Plus, if they're earning a wage and spending money (consumerism) they're contributing to the economy, therefore let them in!
National Socialists reject this. They say, no the 'foreigners' (social group) are coming here and stealing 'our' (social group) jobs. They're a burden to the state (why? If they have jobs, they're not a burden) and they're milking social welfare. The irony being they're both stealing jobs and welfare at the same time, plus are they attacking the social welfare that the state provides to the local populace? No, in fact the promise is that the people on welfare will get more, because it's socialism for the 'us' and not for 'them'.
Now, you and others have said "yes, but this is all just rhetoric and they're just saying it to recruit workers". Actually, they genuinely believe all of this. And by thinking that they're just saying this to recruit workers to their cause, you're actually playing into their hands.
Here is a source from 1936 where "the writer provides ten responses to the most common objections they encountered to Nazi anti-Semitic measures" http://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/responses.htm
Here is just one of the arguments, which sounds very much like socialism to me -
"Argument 3: “The Jew has better prices than the German businessman.” — Counterargument: Any crook can sell junk. Jewish crooks have driven thousands of German businessmen to bankruptcy with the glittering trash in their department store palaces. When someone does get good products more cheaply from the Jews than from Germans, it is only because the united Jewish firms force down prices from the manufacturers, which means reducing workers’ wages. He who has bought good products cheaply from the Jew should never forget that the curse of a German worker and the tears of his hungry children come with them!"
This is a rejection of capitalism. It is a rejection of free market forces. It is a promotion of social groups to create divisions in society.
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Watched that video, and it doesn't debunk anything. All it does is confirm that it wasn't Marxist-Socialism... which it wasn't.
When talking about the Strength Through Joy program at 14:00 in, the narrator even says "the program was intended to replace the demand for trade unions and prevent class consciousness from developing, that might have become a threat to the Nazi government. The program didn't separate between the average workers and their bosses in an attempt to get people behind the idea on a community based on ethnicity_" Yes, that's because Hitler was anti-Marxist. He wanted to promote an _ethnic version of socialism, not class socialism. This video actually confirms this.
At around 15:50 he says it was a planned economy, but that the means of production remained in private hands "if you were German, that is". And the owners of the means of production had to obey what the Nazis said, which is exactly what a racist version of socialism is. At 16:25 "from that point on, the economy was in complete control of the government" - yep, sounds very free market capitalist to me... He says this was done for the war - except we know it was done from 1933 onwards, and had infact been implimented by 1935 at the latest.
18:00 onwards he talks about why there was anti-capitalism in the Nationalsocialist German Workers Party... and then fails to understand that it was anti-capitalist. If it was anti-capitalist, and got rid of trade unions (which are actually allowed under capitalism), and ended trade with the outside world in favour of autarky, then how can it also be pro-capitalist? The reason industry was nationalised and then privatized again was because the Nationalsocialist Party had "socialized the people", to quote Hitler. He didn't need to nationalize the industries, since they had removed the other races from business. The social race owned the means of production, not the class.
He mentions the socialisation of the health industry at around 24:00, but fails to grasp its significance. I think this is because he doesn't fully understand that socialism is not necessarily based on class. Again, socialism is the social ownership of the means of production. If it is the social (worker) ownership of the means of production, then it's Marxism. If it is the social (German/Aryan) ownership of the means of production, then it is National Socialism. The Nazis were socialists.
He talks about the secret state police (Gestapo) at around 30:00. Again, failing to see that the state police are able to forcefully remove you from society if you do not conform, saying "being tortured, gassed, and worked to death". Ok then, who owned the torture chambers? Which private business owned the gas chambers? Who owned the police? Who owned the slave labour camps of the Reich, or allocated them to German industries? It was the socialist (public) state.
He asks the question "was Hitler influenced by Marx?" The answer is yes - which I agree. I agree he detested Marxism. "There are some passages in Mein Kampf where Hitler talks about socialism and seems to be in support of it" - hmmmm... maybe that's because socialism is not Marxism. But no, he does down the "he tricked the workers with the word 'socialism'" route, which just doesn't add up. He then quotes from a book which states "Since struggle among nations would be decisive for future survival, Germany's economy had to be subordinated to the preparation, then carrying out, of this struggle. This meant that liberal ideas of economic competition had to be replaced by the subjection of the economy to the dictates of the national interest." "...the state, not the market, would determine the shape of economic development. Capitalism was, therefore, left in place [directly contradicted by the next sentence]. But in operation it was turned into an adjunct of the state."
He then goes on to accuse anyone who thinks that Nationalsocialism is Left Wing is only doing so because they have an agenda, and because we refuse to think about the other side. Actually, I also believed National Socialism wasn't socialism, and that it was capitalism, and that it couldn't be socialism because it wasn't based on class... until about a couple weeks before this video. For most of my life I have thought that National Socialism was capitalism. Now I see that Nationalsocialism is anti-capitalism, anti-Marxist, and socialism.
He then concludes - "They're anti-semitic, anti-Marxist, extremely nationalistic, and favoured expansion - all undeniably positions of the German Right."
Really? Because the reason Hitler wanted to expand Eastwards was the same reason he was anti-capitalist and anti-Marxist. He thought that the capitalist-class-struggle was created by the Jews, so that they could bring about Marxism, allowing them to become equal to the Aryan, and thus impregnate and mix the blood of the Aryan, which would in-turn bring down the fall of civilization. Hitler therefore wants to end capitalism to stop the class struggle, bring about a socialist-German-Aryan state, destroy Marxism, and destroy the Jews. Yes, there are elements of nationalism in there, but there's also socialism in there too. That's why it's called (drum roll) Nationalsocialism.
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"The cost of a lump of steel is the production cost, the state set the price mostly based the cost of wages. That is the price the state places on a tank, they are the consumer - that is the value to them, and we all know something is only worth what someone is prepared to pay."
Yes, but they also set the cost of the steel, the labour cost, and the cost of the tank. So they're making up all the numbers and then calculating the cost based on made up numbers.
"...and we all know something is only worth what someone is prepared to pay."
Interesting. You're admitting that the (Austrian) Subjective Theory of Value is correct, and that the (Marxist/classical economics) Labour Theory of Value is wrong.
"A command economy orders the number of units it needs. If it needs 100 units it produces 100 units."
True.
" There is no waste like a capitalist economy..."
Because it cannot calculate that waste.
"Saying there is no waste in a capitalist economy is just wrong."
Absolutely there is waste in a capitalist economy. I never said their wasn't waste. But in a capitalist economy you can calculate waste because you have prices. A good recent example is the Steam Controller. It started off at $49.99, but nobody bought it. Thus it is a waste and Valve wants to get rid of them and shut down the service. So it's lowered the price to $5. The loss of profit hurts Valve's bottom line, indicating to Valve (and society) that the Steam Controller was a waste of resources that could have been better used elsewhere https://www.engadget.com/2019/11/27/valve-steam-controller-sale-discontinued/?guccounter=1
"As for no buyers there are buyers people do have money, if you had been to the soviet union you could see items in shops with marked prices."
But the prices are meaningless because they're set arbitrarily and you cannot calculate the cost of the products. They have 'prices' but not 'true prices'. They're made up.
"That was the value of the item and that is what people paid."
People paid for them, but the artificial price wasn't the true value of the items.
"There was no variation depending on what shop you went in it was standardised."
Exactly. Proving my point. If they weren't manipulated prices, the prices would vary depending on location, since it would cost more to ship to a shop miles away than it would to ship to a shop nearby.
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"Let's say that in order to make a tank you need: 1 ton of steel(£1 per ton), 1 ton of tungsten(£1 per ton), 1 man-hour (1£ per hour) plus a factory has to make profit, but I'll skip that, because it's a whole different story. So a price of a tank would be 1+1+1 = £3."
But how do you know that the steel is that price? How do you know the price of the tungsten? How do you know how that the price of a labour hour is that price? You cannot calculate the prices of the material.
"Well, under planned economy, that's the real price. Take it or leave it."
But it's not the real price, even under a planned economy. Value is determined by supply and demand, and the subjective wants and needs. You have supply but no way to calculate demand, and no way to calculate the subjective wants and needs of the consumer. Therefore, the price you've determined is artificial and is not the actual price.
"1 ton of steel costs £1, 1 ton of tungsten costs £1 and 1 man-hour costs £1. Under planned economy tank costs £3."
But how did you calculate the cost of steel, tungsten, man hours etc? You can't.
"factory A uses 1 man-hour to produce a tank..."
How much is a man-hour? Why is it that?
"factory A uses 1 man-hour to produce a tank with a 76mm gun(price is £3) , while factory B uses 2 man-hours to produce a tank with a 76mm gun(price is £4). Factory B is not efficient."
But again, how do you know the cost of labour hours if they're artificially made up? Your pay per hour is determined by the buying and selling of labour as a service on a free market, so without that buying and selling, you don't know the true value of labour per hour.
Also, by your own numbers (assuming they are a true calculation, which they're not), it actually proves that Factory A is less efficient than Factory B. Think about it. Factory A used 1 hour to produce a tank at £3. Therefore, that's a ratio of 1:3. Factory B used 2:4, or a ratio of 1:2. Thus, Factory B was more efficient.
"factory A uses 1 ton of steel to produce a tank with a 76mm gun(price is £3), while factory B uses 2 tons of steel to produce a tank with a 76mm gun(price is £4). Factory B is wasting resources."
But again, you cannot calculate the cost of steel because it's made up. Therefore the cost of the tank is also made up.
And again, by your own numbers, you have a 1:3 vs 1:2 ratio, so Factory A is wasting resources, not Factory B.
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"Could you clarify please..."
The value of a good is determined by the exchange of the good. If the good is not valued highly, it will have to have a lower price. If it is greatly valued, it will have a higher price. But one exchange is not enough to determine the price of a good across an entire economy. It's only the buying and selling of goods across the entire economy which determines the actual price of something.
A commissar can slap a price on something, but that's not its true value. The only way you can have prices (and thus be able to determine the value of something in society) is by the free trade of goods and services.
Without prices, you cannot know the true value of something. How much is a ton of lumber? How much is a loaf of bread? Without the exchange of these goods in a market, you do not know the value of such things. They have value (obviously), but there's no way to calculate how much value they have unless you have a free exchange of said goods.
Let's say a tank requires 1 ton of steel, 1 ton of copper, and 1 ton of plastic. In a capitalist economy, we'd know how much each of these materials is. Why? Because the exchange of goods and services across the economy will determine the price/value of the material accurately. The more that steel is in demand, the higher the price. The higher the price of steel, the more the steel-profits are. The higher the profits, the more money the capitalist has to pump into the business to make more steel, that will in turn meet the higher demand. And, of course, he determines that society demands more steel if his profits go up. If his profits are low, then society does not want steel.
Thus, the factory that creates the tank knows how much each of the materials cost, and can calculate the cost of the tank. But how much is the tank worth? For the sake of argument, let's say each material cost £1 to make. Thus the cost of the tank was £3. Labour cost is also £1. And let's say the factory owner wants to make some profit, so decides that the finished tank is priced at £5.
But is the tank actually worth that?
Only if he can sell the tank. If no one buys the tank, then he must reduce his price. If he reduces his price to £4.50 and people start buying his tank, then his tank is probably worth £4.50 in value, not the £5 he originally wanted. It could also be worth more than £5 if there's a higher demand for tanks. He could also find that nobody's buying his tanks at all because they're not good tanks, thus he makes a loss and goes out of business.
In that case, economic calculation was possible because we had accurate prices, which were determined by the buying and selling of goods and services across society.
In a socialist economy, you do not have the free exchange of goods and services. Therefore you do not have accurate prices. Without accurate prices, everything becomes incalculable. Let's see this -
Let's say a commissar decides that the tank is £5. How would he know if it truly is £5 or not? There are no buyers or sellers who can purchase the tank at its actual value. Without someone buying his tank at the £5, there's no way to know if its is £5 or not. The government decides to buy the tank at £5, but the commissar works for the government. He's artificially set the price, and the government has artificially bought it. That's not a free market. It would be like one person buying and selling to himself - the price is meaningless. Thus, because the price is meaningless, there is no possible way to determine the value of the tank. Without prices, you have no value and no economic calculation is possible either.
See this linked video (6 mins long) for how the lack of prices (or even accurate prices) would be a massive problem for an economy https://youtu.be/zkPGfTEZ_r4
"Soviets had to have somewhat reliable stats because of planned economy in that era (i'm not talking about 80's in USSR where most of their stats were bogus, since punishment were pretty much gone at that point) and i pointed out consequences for lying about important information."
A planned economy can't provide accurate stats because of the economic calculation problem. You can punish people all you want, but they can't give you accurate economic information in a socialist economy. Thus, the stats are bogus in all eras of the Soviet Union.
Yes, you can say something like - the Soviet Union built N number of tanks in year Y. And that's true. But there's no way to calculate GNP, GDP, or how many rubles the tanks cost, or if they were efficiently built, or if they were a waste of resources, etc. Economic calculation is impossible.
"From what i see, you think everybody came up with whatever numbers during that era...please correct me on that if i'm wrong."
There's no way to calculate the value or efficiency of a socialist economy, simply because it has no market. The people in every year of the Soviet Union made up numbers. Hence the phrase: 'They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work'.
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"Yes you said you don't trust entire picture, but also use those author statistic as your base and not the official one. Like it or not, you picking side and going from there. Soviet bad therefore i'm going with this guy."
No, I'm saying both statistics are wrong. Doesn't matter if they're official or not when it comes to socialist economies. All socialist calculations are wrong because they have gotten rid of the thing that allows calculation - the market. And actually, Harrison uses the official Soviet statistics, so your argument makes no sense.
"...how much USSR economy was based on actual money exchange? Especially during war? People used ration cards, for food and other items."
Exactly. So you can't calculate the price or cost of anything because you didn't have a market economy. That's what I'm saying.
"I think judging Soviet economy like Western one is a giant mistake."
Who said I'm judging the Soviet 'economy' like a 'western one' (whatever that means). The mistake here is believing that you have economic statistics in the first place, which you can't in a socialist economy.
"For example, you could not purchase a car or a house, you would have to sign up and wait in line for years to get one."
Exactly. Prices were meaningless. So without prices, you don't have economic calculation. That's what I'm saying.
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"I want to discuss a real country (the Soviet Union) that actually existed, and had to function somehow."
Right.
"Soviet economy had a lot of issues, one of which was inadequate prices. But not all of them were inadequate, and those that were, were inadequate for reasons you never mentioned."
They weren't inadequate... because you say they weren't? That not an argument, that's an opinion.
"In USSR they were calculated differently. Your claim was that prices were made up. Correct me if I'm wrong, but "prices were made up", implies that there were no rules or logic, which simply wasn't the case. There were rules, formulas, laws, decrees... You can say that they used wrong ways to calculate prices, but you can't say that those prices were simply made up."
Those rules, formulas, laws, decrees can make 'prices', but not 'true prices' that actually reflect the genuine value of a good or service. The only way to do that, is to have the free exchange of goods and services. The commissar can say that a Valve Controller is priced at $49.99, but the true value of it is much less than that and is determined by the consumer, not the seller https://www.engadget.com/2019/11/27/valve-steam-controller-sale-discontinued/?guccounter=1
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The "mainstream consensus view" you're talking about is directly influenced by the German generals. But, what I've done in my videos is present a ton of evidence that directly contradicts that. That evidence comes from the books and sources used, and I've listed the sources in the pinned comments of the videos in question. None of these sources are fringe opinions, they come from academic books from established universities, or historians who have proved their reliability. And I compare them to the old or popular histories to see where they get things wrong. The problem is that these are not books the casual reader would read. If you read nothing but popular histories like Beevor and Hastings (out-of-date and pandering to a mass-audience and the whims of their publishers), or the old histories like Shirer (influenced directly by the German generals), or you get your history off forums on the internet (and/or wikipedia), then you're missing out most of the story.
"You have elsewhere argued this order was rational due to fuel shortages. I don't regard German fuel shortages as that bad"
That's not a counter-argument. That's a statement of your opinion. You need to back that up with evidence.
I've shown that Germany and Axis Europe were suffering under a fuel crisis in the oil video, and listed my sources. Things were that bad in Axis occupied Europe that millions of litres of French milk went sour because they no longer had the fuel to power the trucks they used to use to drive the milk around the country for consumption. For a time, the German truck manufacturers stopped production of trucks because they didn't have the fuel to test the trucks they were producing. And the German generals considered demotorizing their army. All evidence and hard facts that are not disputed. How you interpret that is up to you, but I've shown plenty of evidence. Only saying "I don't regard it to be that bad" is not a counter-argument. You're dismissing the argument as wrong, without presenting evidence to back up your point.
"Time after time -- this is historical fact -- Hitler would order units with no prospect of relief to stand fast whereafter they were besieged and annihilated."
There was also plenty of times he did allow retreats. Look at the evacuation of Estonia in late 1944 for example. It depended on cirumstances. But the point I made was that Germany transitioned into a static war, probably as a result of the oil crisis. Citino says this transition happened for various reasons in his book that I've reviewed in this video. What I did (thanks to Toprani) was connect the dots the oil crisis.
"You are arguing that the German generals, not Hitler, changed tactics. They really didn't."
They did. Citino spells it out in this book.
"They were however constrained by Hitler, supply, and compelled into winnable battles which they lost the most famous of which is Uranus and Bagration."
And why would Hitler not allow retreats? I say oil. Why was supply bad? I say a lack of oil. Why did they lose those battles you mentioned? Because they didn't win the war in 1941-1942, and thus were forced to transition into a static war, giving the initiative to the Soviets.
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I actually have a Patreon question asking the same thing, so I'm going to have to answer that at some point soon and elaborate further. But in a nutshell, I'm anti-State, anti-political, and pro-free market. This is why it's ironic that my critics will say I'm a "conservative" who's pushing my "political agenda". I'm anti-political, so how can I be pushing a political agenda? And conservatives are pro-State and pro-political, so again that's not my position.
Anyway, for simplicity's sake, it's probably best to just say I'm an AnCap, even though I have my reservations and wouldn't describe myself as that. People seem to use the wrong definition of "capitalism", so describing myself as a capitalist would be wrong because it would give people the impression that I was pro-State and pro-political, which is why they think Anarcho-Capitalism is oxymoronic.
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But is this really the case? Was it really 'total'? Totalitarian, perhaps, but not total. There were conscientious objectors, and there were many people within each country forced to fight against their will (conscription). Many were conscripted into the factories and mines in Britain, Germany and the Soviet Union. And children were also targeted, even though they weren't really involved in either the war, nor the building of munitions (yes, there Hitler Youth, but they were an exception). So really, could you really say this was total? If my government decides to declare war, does that mean I have to agree and then become a casualty because of their immorality?
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"1. How can you ensure efficient price negotiation in cases like Healthcare where you have little or no power of argument? If you have to pay a fortune for a surgery to say save your child's life, what are the chances that you'll calculate the efficient use of this scarce resource (money) and if it's better to use it elsewhere (say in the nascent small business u won)?"
Here you go https://youtu.be/0uPdkhMVdMQ
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"2. Most notable companies of our era are monopolies or at best duopolies. These monopolies can and does similarly distort the market. Such monopoly isn't a result of govt. manipulation, rather a natural result. What do you say about this?"
It is a result of government manipulation. Every transaction in the economy requires FIAT currency, which is printed by the Central Bank. The 'price' of that currency is determined by printing and interest rate manipulation. Therefore, before we even talk about regulations, taxation, "laws", price controls, wage controls, bribery or corruption, you have to realize that EVERY transaction is manipulated by the State.
The result of all this manipulation is 1) the impoverishment of the poor and middle income earners for the benefit of the elite, and 2) the creation of monopolies (the State is a monopoly on "law", after all) and corporations (corpse, body, organ - organs of the state). This is because a small number of publicly owned corporations is easier to manage than a lot of privately owned small businesses, and the State wants more control.
In reality, it is Socialism that creates monopolies, and it is free market capitalism that renders monopolies impossible. We don't have free market capitalism, and that's why we have monopolies.
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"Where did you learn that from? Even in economic theory, demand would just be higher if something is free at the point of consumption but even then that would be circumvented by a queue system where someones need for a surgery or operation would be prioritized based on the urgency which sounds like a more equitable system then whoever is willing to throw more dosh around (I'm specifically referring to health care only)."
Exactly, shortages of supply (due to over-demand) leads to queues. The queues are the result of a shortage brought on by infinite demand.
When something is "free", that means one of two things. 1) nobody wants it, or 2) there's an infinite supply (like air). If it was in demand and wasn't in infinite supply, then it would have a price, because buyers would bid for it with money/currency. Since there isn't an infinite supply of medical services, and the price is "free", the service is overused, leading to shortages. This is basic economics.
Also, watch this video on US healthcare https://youtu.be/0uPdkhMVdMQ
The UK prison system is run by the state, and the so-called "private rail system" isn't private. The only entity in the UK that can build train stations and train lines is the State. There are other regulations too, including price and wage controls. This is why, again, there are shortages of trains and overcrowding in stations, because the State has distorted the price system and enacted regulations that prevent the private sector from reacting properly to the problem.
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"However, even your linked YouTube's vision sounds like hell for those who need medical help but can't afford it. I personally would rather pay more tax and have a fairer health system."
Right, so you'd rather pay 6x the amount you would normally pay, for a more wasteful and less efficient system?
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"A comparison of UK vs US life expectancy and infant mortality is the biggest argument for the NHS (yes the rest of Europe does even better)."
Apples and oranges. That's not necessarily because of the health care system alone. For example, a lot more Americans are obese that Europeans. Also, there has been suggestion that the NHS is downplaying/fudging the numbers regarding infant mortality, so that's a controversial issue.
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"This is not to say I disagree with your overall points in the video. I'm a cell biologist and the inside of a cell runs very much like a theoretical economy and does so constantly balancing flexibility and efficiency, but it does so without any empathy whatsoever, and I would rather not live in a society like that."
Okay, but here's the deal. You want a nationalized service, I don't. Why do I have to settle for a bad service just because you want to? You can still have a nationalized service if you want it, and gladly pay taxes for it. I, though, want my taxes back so that I can put them to better use. Why am I not allowed to do that?
And the reason why has nothing to do with health care or anything else. The reason why is because individuals are not free to make those choices, and the nationalized and socialized health care is just an excuse to take more power, more choice and more wealth away from citizens.
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@matthewbadley5063 "You apparently think "nationalized" = socialism, which is simply wrong."
A nation is not a society? A society is not a nation? What's the difference between the nationalization of the industries, and the socialization of the industries?
Answer = NOTHING. I've been over this https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
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"The nazis destroyed labor unions and set up a system by which they could control the workforce to stop strikes and organized labor."
Yes, this is called NATIONALIZATION. It's EXACTLY what Lenin did in the Soviet Union, as I explained my Hitler's Socialism video. Again, the link is here https://youtu.be/eCkyWBPaTC8
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"This only helped the capitalists who owned the factories and mines."
These so-called 'capitalists' were members of the Nazi Party, which was the State. The old capitalists were thrown out (e.g. Professor Junkers) and replaced by Nazi Party members who seized the means of production.
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"The Night of the Long Knives was also mainly targeted at the remaining left wing elements of the nazi party (described sometimes as the nazbols) such as Gregor Strasser and Ernst Rohm."
No it wasn't, and I've explained this in the Hitler's Socialism video, backed by sources. Hitler had seized power through 'peaceful revolution' and wanted to remain in power. Rohm wanted a 'violent revolution', and so it looked like he was about to start one (he wasn't, but Hitler believed he was). Thus, Hitler removed him and 1,000 others who were a threat to him, including capitalists and conservatives (e.g. Schleicher). It had nothing to do with the 'Left wing' of the Nazi Party - that is simply false, as the evidence is clear. Go watch my Hitler's Socialism video to see that.
In addition, Lenin and Stalin killed Mensheviks. I guess they weren't REAL Socialists either then?
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"I've watched the video. It's pretty bad."
You haven't watched the video, otherwise you'd know not to regurgitate the old debunked arguments I addressed in the video.
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"A common narrative of fascists..."
Are we talking about Nazis or Fascists? Because they're not the same thing https://youtu.be/qdY_IMZH2Ko
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"A common narrative of fascists is a false appeal to left wing ideology (IE adopting credulous names like national socialist). While actually working against socialist aims. That you refuse to acknowledge this is troubling."
A common narrative of Socialists is a false claim that National Socialism and Fascism weren't Left Wing ideologies, and that they only 'pretended' to be part of the Left to gain votes, when the evidence shows that it was the OPPOSITE. They were Left Wing ideologies, but Nazism pretended to be moderates (center) in order to appeal to the middle-classes. Mussolini didn't even bother because he seized power without being elected, so the Socialist narrative doesn't even work there because Mussolini had no incentive to pretend to be anything other than what he was - a National Syndicalist with a Philosophy of Actualism. Again https://youtu.be/qdY_IMZH2Ko
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Please stop spouting the same LIES that I have already debunked in previous videos. You're distorting history.
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"You appear to have missed the point of health care in the UK."
What? That it's expensive, inefficient, bloated, terrible, slow, and takes freedom and choice away from individuals?
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"No drama... no longer subscribed."
There was no drama. You stated something that was false, I corrected you with evidence, this hurt your feelings, and now you're going to walk away. Well, you have the choice to walk away, and I won't stop you. I just wish you and all the Statists out here would grant me the right to walk away from the NHS, inflation and theft-based tax system.
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@PunishedRalph "In this case, the German military was providing a service to Germany which was paying for them to operate. This being the case, the German military was not itself incurring a debt as a failing business was, it was the German state."
Yes, except the people didn't want the war (and I'm not just saying that, there's plenty of evidence of this in the literature), and the State didn't operate via an undistorted price system (a free market). It didn't get its income like a normal business would. It got its income by seizing wealth from its people - taxation, inflation and through debt. As I showed in the video, and have gone into detail about in the Hitler's Socialism video, the Reichsbank was printing currency and exporting its inflation to the conquered territories so as to keep the Reich propped up. This is why the Greeks were starved during the war https://youtu.be/oT2NPAoXeSk
The point is, the German Army was providing a service... but at the waste of massive amounts of resources. This is why the State was getting into heavier and heavier debt, and the economy was imploding. That's why Hitler HAD to go to war - if he hadn't invaded Austria, Czechoslovakia and Poland when he did, the Reichs' economy would have imploded. Gotz Aly explains this in his "Hitler's Beneficiaries" book.
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"Likewise, it was the British state incurring the debt for the British Armed forces - so how can we tell based on their profits which was more efficient, given neither were making a loss or a profit?"
Exactly. This is the economic calculation problem I explained in the video, and what Mises explains in his book "Socialism" - https://mises.org/library/socialism-economic-and-sociological-analysis
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"Were the different governments confronting the threat of the Axis not providing a service people actually wanted because they weren't in profit? I certainly think people in many nations were in agreement that it was worth defeating the Axis.
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If people wanted it, they would pay for it. They had to pay for it anyway since the State's income can only come from one source - its citizens. So if they wanted war, then you may as well allow the free market to work because it's more efficient for the reasons I explained in the video.
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"It occurs to me that analysing these things through the lense of operating as a business is not that useful, and that you have pigeonholed yourself into this view with the whole austrian school thing."
I pointed out why the Germans couldn't make economic calculations, which was the inherent problem with their logistics. I've offered the solution to this problem. If you have a different solution to the socialist economic calculation problem, please state it.
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You want freedom for the individual? So do I. I believe every individual should be able to do what they want so long as they don't harm others. Therefore we should give maximum freedom to the individual within a lawful society (no murder or violence, but you can go and do whatever else you want). This is why I'm a classic-liberal who believes in the free market.
A market is two people - a buyer and a seller. A free market is a market where the buyer and seller are free to make their own decisions on what they buy and sell. A non-free market is when the state gets involved in their transactions and forces them to do something they don't want to do, e.g. regulations or taxes that force a seller to sell something different. A free market is maximum liberty and freedom to the individuals within it.
A black market is an example of a free market. You cannot have a black market unless you have a state-controlled economy. This is why the US and UK have black markets for drugs - they are not free market economies. They are (mostly) state controlled.
'Private' is non-state and individual. It is the opposite of 'public' which means non-individual and state (publicum, Latin for state). This is why we call the state the public sector. A public is a state. A private is an individual. To have maximum freedom for the individual, we want more private control.
To have maximum freedom and liberty to the individual, you need to give them as much individual (private) control as possible. If you give the state (public) more control, then the individual has less control.
Socialism is collective/communal control of the economy. Collective is a group. And since a 'politically organized community' is a state, a group that's in political control is a state (public). Any organized group in political control (public, common, worker, race, nationality etc) is a state. This is why communism and socialism mean: state control of the economy.
The fancy words (common-control, public-control, worker-control etc) are just there to hide the true meaning of what socialism and communism actually are. Many are fooled into thinking they stand for freedom or liberty, which they don't. This is why Orwell wrote the phrase "Freedom is Slavery" because people honestly think that the individual will get more freedom under socialism. Don't be fooled by the rhetoric - it is aiming for state control, not private control.
An organized group in political control is the state, no matter the size. If a worker's trade union seizes a factory, they become to government of that factory. The previous owner of the factory was a 'governor' - literally they used to be called governors - and when the group takes over, they become the factory government.
The conception of 'the state' as some far off entity is incorrect. A state can be as small as a house or as large as entire countries or continents (perhaps as large as the universe one day). It is not some far off 'blind power', it is simply a politically organized community.
Anarcho-communism or anarcho-socialism or anarcho-syndicalism are all oxymorons. You cannot have non-state state-control. It is impossible.
Anarcho-capitalism is possible (though stupid in my opinion) since it's non-state private control of the economy. Non-state non-state. Anarchy is maximum freedom of the individual, which is why it's on the Right of the political spectrum in my video. Or indeed these ones https://images.app.goo.gl/crFktXxASf8bGGDcA
https://images.app.goo.gl/rPLyoMznDikMEU6W6
Nationalism is left wing, because all groups (public, state) being in control politically are states. If state control is on the Left, then nationalism is on the Left - which was it's original position during the French Revolution. Anarchism is the actual Far-Right as it is maximum freedom to the individual. The Nazis and Fascists are arguably Right of the Far Left Marxists, but they are still on the Left (some think centre, but I disagree). Capitalism (private individual control of the economy) is on the Right, as is democracy and freedom.
So yes, one man's 'freedom' is another man's 'slavery'. It does appear that some people actually want to be slaves. They don't want individual freedom and see that as slavery. But it is not slavery. A slave is someone who is forced to obey someone else. A state or collective which forces you to obey them is not freedom. True freedom and liberty comes from making your own choices - classic liberalism.
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""Public" and "private" are distinct terms in economic theory"
Yes, they are. That's why I did an entire video on it. I not only showed exactly what they are historically, I pulled up economic definitions, and I even pulled up dictionary definitions. There's a reason a 'private' in the army is an individual.
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"According to you, er would be living in global socialism since the first stock Exchange was launched, which is laughable."
Is a global community collectively controlling the means of production via central banks an individual, or a collective?
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"You furnished a Definition of established terms to match your Agenda."
How is it an 'agenda' to point out what words mean? Have you read the terms in the dictionary? Or are even the dictionaries wrong now? Are the historical records wrong? Are the economic theories all wrong too? Please watch the Public vs Private video.
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"Tons of research Sometimes lead to wrong results."
No, ZERO research leads to wrong results.
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"Wonderful that you can dismiss any counterargument."
Explaining something and supporting it with evidence (107 sources, listed at the beginning of the videos) is not me 'dismissing' it. YOU are dismissing what I'm saying. Literally, look at what you're saying - 'Tons of research Sometimes lead to wrong results.' I mean, how is that even an argument? 'You're wrong' is not an argument.
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"You make the case that the theft of jewish property was nationalization, which can be considered. You make this out to be socialist."
What's the difference between the nationalization of the means of production, and the socialization of the means of production? A nation is a society, is it not?
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"So, the united states and their theft of Native lands would as Well as privately owned slaves would make the US socialist as well?"
I don't know the circumstances of the Native lands. But slavery is not capitalism. There's a reason the British were the first nation to free the slaves - they were the first capitalists, and realized that capitalism only works if individuals have money. Slaves don't have money, and so freedom from slavery was embraced. Capitalism cannot work with slavery, because the individual is not free to participate in the market.
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"And when was IG Farben anything but a private owned contractor to the state? If the ownership is the state, yes, that's socialism, See "Arisierung" . I accept that."
Who was in charge of I G Farben? Oh, that's right, the Nazis. Every member of the board of directors for IG Farben was a member of the Nazi Party - the State - put there by the Nazis during their consolidation of power. IG Farben became a department of the State in all but name. Far from 'privatization', the Nazi policy was Synchronization (Gleichschaltung). I explained this in my video.
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"But if the ownership is NOT the state, then it's suddenly socialism as well? Doubtful."
Socialism is State control. It may not be the CENTRAL State - it could be a State within a State. A corporation is a state, because not only is it a hierarchy of society (a public) owned collectively by its shareholders and consists of thousands of people (and therefore is not an individual/private), but the word 'corporate' literally means 'group', and also comes from 'corpse' or 'body', meaning 'body of the people' (public).
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"And calling Adam Smith not a capitalist would only leave Ayn Rand and Maggie Thatcher as true capitalists. I think you don't want to go down that road, do you?"
If Adam Smith was calling for State control of the means of production, then he was not a Capitalist. State control of the means of production is Socialism.
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I G Farben was nationalized as I explained in the Hitler's Socialism video. Go into the description of that video and you'll find a timestamp to the section called "Privatization". Krupp and the others were too, although I didn't mention them in the video.
Denying that the State didn't nationalize Jewish property is an insult to all the Jews who lost their lives in the Holocaust. What do you think the theft of private Jewish property by the social German collective is? Nothing says that Socialism abolishes money. Only Marxism wants the destruction of money because as Marx said:
“What is the worldly cult of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly god? Money… Money is the jealous god of Israel, beside which no other god may exist.” - Karl Marx, On the Jewish Question.
But other Socialisms don't necessarily want the destruction of money. So long as money is nationalized/socialized, then that's fine, which is why Karl Marx also called for Central Banking in the Communist Manifesto.
Capitalism is about a volunteer economy. It's about the abolishment of corporations - so the abolishment of government. It's about the abolition of slavery (tax, coercion, forceful acquisition of wealth, inflation etc). It's about giving all power back to the private individual that the Socialist State has taken off them.
If Thomas Hobbs argued for a strong state, then he is not a Capitalist, just like Andrew Yang is calling himself a Capitalist even though he's begging for Universal Basic Income (Universal Basic Inflation).
"Enterprises" is not Capitalism. That's where the Socialist lie has seeped into the narrative. Private means individual. Private property means the property of individuals. It doesn't mean the collective control of property by hierarchies of society, which is actually Socialism, as I've explained in my Public vs Private video https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
I know plenty about these ideologies. I've studied them, and used to be a Socialist myself. It's you I feel sorry for. As an ex-Socialist, I know that you're where I used to be - unable to understand why anyone wouldn't vote for Socialism. That's because, like me, your State education system has only given you one side of the argument and not the other. As I explained in my Hitler's Socialism video, as soon as I realized that Hitler was a Socialist, I suddenly realised that I'd been lied to all the way through my State education system. I hope you can put down the pitchfork for one minute and listen to an ex-Socialist who's done the hard work for you and provided you with two videos that will lay it all out. Watch the Public vs Private video, then the Hitler's Socialism video. You will be thankful that you did.
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Really? The Labour Party who dominated the postwar period in Britain, who built the National Socialist Health Service, and Social Services, and Socialized the industries and the railways etc wasn't Socialism?
You "don't see it that way"? Well, you obviously haven't heard the evidence which I've provided in a 5 hour video that has 107 sources, 350 references, and a ton of quotes that show you that Hitler did in fact nationalize the economy https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
And as far as evidence for Socialists claiming that Capitalism is things that it isn't, just look at the comments of that video in question. A million times I've heard people claim that Capitalism is about starving the poor, or stealing money, or building giant monopoly corporations, or beating the downtrodden, or destroying the health of the people etc... Not one of these things is true. Even Karl Marx got this wrong, saying that Capitalism steals from the workers. As I showed in the Hitler's Socialism video, and the Public vs Private video, this is completely false.
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As I said in the video, I would argue that a centralized structure isn't necessary and can be dangerous. The option to be independent as I am now is critical, although if others want to set up a 'YouTube Historical Academic Institution' go ahead, but I'd be wary of it. As you said, Academic institutions had state support, and are subject to politics and regulations. This is highly restrictive and bad for history - since you need debate, and we must bow down to the strongest argument, even if the state or the regulators decide that they don't like it.
So aiming for an 'institution' isn't necessary, and can be quite the opposite. If such an institution does get created, it should allow its members to say and do what they want, and not be funded by the state, to maximize the debate and prevent political censorship.
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"Well actually since YouTube is a private company a laissez-faire system would be allowing the company to do what they wanted, which is creating their own terms of service to self-regulate user generated content that's uploaded to their platform (i.e. what they're doing now)."
YouTube is a public non-state company, and is not private in the sense of capitalist-private. It's a corporation and has shareholders (the public), and - as I said in the video - is essentially a central-planned internet-state. The 'private' channels are forced to obey the rules set by the 'public' YouTube, even if those rules hurt them. And since there's massive manipulations with the algorithm and so on, this isn't a free market.
"If the company was regulated, let's say by the state, to not self-censor and apply free speech protections then less content would be constrained, but that would be regulation of (and interference in) a private company."
It is already regulated. For example, certain videos are restricted in certain countries depending on their content. The real issue is that YouTube isn't a democracy of creators or a free market system. The central-corporate-state has all the power, the creators have little power, and the consumers get screwed as a result. Luckily the internet as a whole is a free market. What will happen eventually is that people will migrate to other sites, which is already happening, and is why I've set up a Bitchute channel and will be decentralizing the channel more as a consequence of YouTube's policies. I don't necessarily want to do this because YouTube would be great if they left it alone to function as the market dictates, but since they insist on regulating us, YouTube has left creators like me with little choice but to find homes elsewhere.
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Paul's interpretation of Jesus dying on the cross was that the individual would be judged by God alone. You don't get judged by someone else's actions, only your own. This is a fundamentally opposing view of the idea that the individual doesn't exist, that we're all social creatures, that we bow down to the social group (the tribe, race, nation, State), or that 'once a bourgeoisie, always a bourgeoisie', or that we should be judged by our class, race, nationality, or more. I touched upon this in my Public vs Private video here https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
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"The first point I would make is that Keynes proposed increased government expenditure during a recession, ie when demand is low. The idea is to reduce the severity of the recession."
I get that. However, the idea is flawed, as explained in the first 50 or so pages of Murray Rothbard's "America's Great Depression" which you can find online for free, and I highly recommend that you read it.
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"With low demand, it doesn't necessarily add to inflation."
As I said in the video, inflation is the expansion of the currency supply, not rising prices. The government printing currency is inflation, even if prices don't go up due to collapsing demand. In fact, as I explained in my What Causes a Recession or Depression video, prices would normally go down in a recession. But if prices stay the same, then that's an indication that there has been inflation.
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"Your reference does not say that Keynes was championing inflation."
But it does say he was championing inflation. You cannot increase government expenditures and lower taxes to stimulate demand (what Keynes wanted) without inflation. There's no other way.
However, if you need another source, here's what Mises wrote in 1948 -
"John Maynard Keynes, late economic adviser to the British Government, is the new prophet of inflationism. The “Keynesian Revolution” consisted in the fact that he openly espoused the doctrines of Silvio Gesell. As the foremost of the British Gesellians, Lord Keynes adopted also the peculiar messianic jargon of inflationist literature and introduced it into official documents. Credit expansion, says the Paper of the British Experts of April 8, 1943, performs the “miracle . . . of turning a stone into bread.” The author of this document was, of course, Keynes. Great Britain has indeed traveled a long way to this statement from Hume’s and Mill’s views on miracles." - Mises from https://mises.org/library/stones-bread-keynesian-miracle
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"@TIK you obviously slept through 2015 - because in that year 499 years of state ownership of the Royal Mail came to an end with the selling of the final 30% stake held by the government."
You're obviously aren't aware that it's in the FTSE 250 which is being directly funded by the Bank of England (the UK government's Central Bank). Royal Mail also heavily regulated by the State. So, if it's paid for by the State, and it's controlled (regulated) by the State, it is the State, even if the State says that it isn't.
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"Royal Mail Group plc is now wholly owned by shareholders."
Correct, it's publicly and collectively owned by its shareholders. Thus, it isn't a private individual.
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"The clue is in the name - plc - public limited company"
YES, THE CLUE IS IN THE NAME - "PUBLIC". It's therefore NOT private. It is public. And as I have explained in the Public vs Private video, the Public is the State.
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"The word public means that shares are traded publicly and that anyone can own buy; unlike in private limited companies where the other shareholders decide who can and can't buy the shares. In a stated owned company, there is one shareholder, the government."
I don't know how else to explain this to you other than to literally spell it out - the 'people' are the 'public', and the 'public' is the 'state'.
In this case, the State is directly funding Royal Mail through the Bank of England's asset purchases program (Quantitative Easing, 'Stimulus' or whatever they want to call it). But even if it wasn't, Royal Mail is a 'state' in itself, because it is a public hierarchy.
Again, I don't know how to explain this in a clearer way. If you can't grasp, or are refusing to grasp, what I'm saying here, then it's pointless continuing this discussion.
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"Your video on public and private ownership got this wrong, public doesn't mean state and private doesn't mean an individual."
Why? Because you said so? I follow the evidence, and both HISTORY and the ENGLISH DICTIONARY say you're wrong.
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"You have a good grasp on history, but haven't a clue about basic economic facts."
At least I understand basic English.
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"As for YouTube's alleged censorship, case law shows that YouTube is a publicly accessible privately run forum and had the right to restrict freedom of speech"
I'm the private creator. You are the private viewer. YouTube is the public platform (actually a 'publisher' now by its own policies, but in theory it should be a platform). The private individual (me) is not in control if my videos are being suppressed, if my comments are being deleted, and if my money is being cut by YouTube. That isn't a private individual in control, that is a collectively-owned public hierarchy in control. Yet somehow, you think YouTube is an individual.
Yes, YouTube can restrict my and your freedom of speech, which is what I'm complaining about. Governments tend to restrict individual rights, which is why I'm complaining of this. By deciding to arbitrate, YouTube has become an internet government. I'm complaining against this internet government, and want a free internet.
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"YouTube don't have to promote such films, nor do they have to allow you or anyone else to say what you can say in, for example, the street."
If I stood in the street right now and said that a lockup caused a famine in Greece, I'd be kidnapped and locked in a cage, and my taxes would be increased. If I complain about this, you'll claim that the Government can do this because it's a 'private company' and thus can do what it likes...
If YouTube wants to suppress my content, then I will complain about it. If YouTube doesn't want me to complain, then it can stop suppressing my content. Or it can delete the channel entirely. Either way, I think it's actions are terrible and is morally unjust.
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I only went on the Sunday unfortunately. Are you suggesting I should stop doing history? Everything I've ever said has been based on the books, many of them written by the people who were there. I don't contradict them, but there are contradictions, and in those cases I have to make decisions as to which account I think is right (and I often say I'm doing this in the videos themselves, I state the different perspectives, and allow you to come to your own conclusions).
That said, I disagree that someone without military experience cannot study military history, just as I would also disagree with someone who said you need a degree to study history. Both statements are inherently wrong. This is called gatekeeping, and it makes no sense. Having military experience is great and qualifies you to talk about the topic, but someone without military experience can approach the topic from an unbiased perspective. I've not fought in the British Army, therefore I'm impartial (I will happily criticise it). That is a massive advantage for a historian.
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I haven't studied him specifically. This is actually why I'm progressing through the North African Campaign. The idea is I'll eventually get to Monty's era, and be able to judge him on what came before, to see just how "good" a general he actually was. Then, I'll cover Torch, Tunisia, Sicily and Italy, before moving into Normandy. So it's a long-game, but the idea is that by the time we get to Normandy, I'll be able to answer your question far more thoroughly and conclusively than anyone else has ever done. That's the plan, anyway, which is why I'm busy working on Operation Crusader now.
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I list the sources I use in every video. Below are the sources I've read so far just for Stalingrad. As you can see, I've read plenty of "dry" books, and I can tell you Askey is incorrect in his assessment.
Books
Adam, W. Rühle, O. “With Paulus at Stalingrad.” Pen and Sword Books, 2015.
Anderson, T. “The History of the Panzerwaffe. Volume 2: 1942-45.” Osprey Publishing, 2017.
Beevor, A. “The Second World War.” Phoenix, 2012.
Beevor, A. “Stalingrad.” Penguin Books, 1999.
Bernardic, V. “World War II Croatian Legionaries: Croatian Troops under Axis Command 1941-45.” Osprey Publishing, 2016.
Chuikov, V. “The Beginning of the Road.” Panther Edition, 1970.
Citino, R. “Death of the Wehrmacht: The German Campaigns of 1942.” University of Kansas, 2007.
Fritz, S. “Ostkrieg: Hitler’s War of Extermination in the East.” University Press of Kentucky. 2011.
Forczyk, R. “Demyansk 1942-43, the Frozen Fortress.” Osprey Publishing Group, 2012.
Gerasimova, S. “The Rzhev Slaughterhouse: The Red Army’s Forgotten 15-Month Campaign against Army Group Center 1942-1943.” Helion & Company, Kindle, 2013.
Glantz, D. “Colossus Reborn: The Red Army at War, 1941-1943.” University Press of Kansas, 2005.
Glantz, D. “The Companion to Colossus Reborn.” University Press of Kansas, 2005.
Glantz, D. House, J. “The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 1. To the Gates of Stalingrad. Soviet-German Combat Operations, April-August 1942.” University Press of Kansas, 2009.
Glantz, D. House, J. “The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 2. Armageddon in Stalingrad: September-November 1942.” University Press of Kansas, 2009.
Glantz, D. House, J. “The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 1. To the Gates of Stalingrad. Soviet-German Combat Operations, April-August 1942.” University Press of Kansas, 2009.
Glantz, D. House, J. “The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 3. Endgame at Stalingrad Book One: November 1942..” University Press of Kansas, 2014.
Glantz, D. House, J. “The Stalingrad Trilogy, Volume 3. Endgame at Stalingrad Book Two: December 1942-February 1943.” University Press of Kansas, 2014.
Glantz, D. “When Titan’s Clashed.” University Press of Kansas, 2015.
Guderian, H. “Panzer Leader.” Penguin Books, 2000.
Halder, F. “The Halder War Diary 1939-1942.” Presidio Press, 1988.
Hart, L. “A History of the Second World War. First Published 1970.” Kindle version 2015.
Hastings, M. “All Hell Let Loose: The World at War 1939-1945.” HarperPress, 2011.
Hayward, J. “Stopped at Stalingrad: The Luftwaffe and Hitler’s Defeat in the East 1942-1943.” University Press of Kansas, 1998.
Hill, A. “The Red Army and the Second World War. (Armies of the Second World War.” Cambridge University Press, 2017.
Heiber, H. Glantz, D. “Hitler and his Generals. Military Conferences 1942-1945.” Enigma Books, 2004.
House, J. “Toward Combined Arms Warfare: A Survey of 20th-Century Tactics, Doctrine, and Organization.” University Press of the Pacific, 2002.
Jones, G. “Stalingrad to Kursk: Triumph of the Red Army.” Pen & Sword, 2011.
Jones, M. “Stalingrad: How the Red Army Triumphed.” Pen & Sword Military, 2016.
Kershaw, I. “Hitler: 1936-1945 Nemesis.” Penguin Books, 2001.
Liedtke, G. “Enduring the Whirlwind: The German Army and the Russo-German War 1941-1943.” Helion & Company LTD, 2016.
Manstein, E. “Lost Victories.” Zenith Press, 2004.
Matthews, R. “Stalingrad: The Battle that Shattered Hitler’s Dream of World Domination.” Arcturus Publishing Limited, 2014.
Mark, J. Obhodas, A. “Croatian Legion: The 369th Reinforced (Croatian) Infantry Regiment on the Eastern Front 1941-1943.” Leaping Horsemen Books, 2010.
Mark, J. “Death of the Leaping Horsemen: The 24th Panzer Division in Stalingrad 12th August - 20th November 1942.” Stackpole Books, Kindle 2003.
Mark, J. “Panzer Krieg: Volume 1: German Armoured Operations at Stalingrad.” Leaping Horsemen Books, 2017.
Mawdsley, E. “Thunder in the East: The Nazi-Soviet War 1941-1945.” Second Edition, Kindle, University of Oxford.
Mitcham, S. “Hitler’s Legions: German Army Order of Battle World War II.” Redwood Burn Limited, 1985.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume One: 1st-290th Infantry Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Two: 291st-999th Infantry Divisions, Named Infantry Divisions, and Special Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Mitcham, S. “German Order of Battle: Volume Three: Panzer, Panzer Grenadier, and Waffen SS Divisions in WWII.” Stackpole Books, 2007.
Overy, R. “Russia’s War.” Penguin Group, 1999.
Shakespeare, C.” Stalingrad: Struggle in the East.” 2014.
Shirer, W. “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.” Pan Books, 1964.
Sokolov, B. “Marshal K.K. Rokossovsky: The Red Army’s Gentleman Commander.” Helion & Company, Kindle 2015.
Stahel, D. “Operation Barbarossa: Germany’s Defeat in the East.” Cambridge University Press, Kindle, 2010.
Tooze, A. “Wages of Destruction: The Making & Breaking of The Nazi Economy.” Penguin Books, 2007.
“Germany and the Second World War: Volume VI/II, The Global War.” Militärgeschichtliches Forschungsamt (Research Institute for Military History) Potsdam, Germany. Oxford University Press, 2015.
Articles
Hayward, J. “Too Little Too Late.” From Journal of Military History 64 (July 2000): 769-94.
Toprani, A. “Oil and Grand Strategy: Great Britain and Germany, 1918-1941.” PhD Dissertation. Georgetown University, 2012.
Toprani, A. “The First War for Oil: The Caucasus, German Strategy, and the Turning Point of the War on the Eastern Front, 1942.” From The Journal of Military History 80 (July 2016): 815-854.
Toprani, A. “Germany’s Answer to Standard Oil: The Continental Oil Company and Nazi Grand Strategy, 1940-1942.” From the Journal of Strategic Studies 37 (December 2014): 949-973.
Video Sources
TheUSAHEC. "Death of the Wehrmacht: The German Campaigns of 1942" by Dr. Robert Citino. 23 July 2014. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNDhswF1GKk
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Cheers! The final script for Crusader was approximately 84,400 words. Obviously there was a lot of research, writing and rewriting, plus map and unit creation, and then editing... And I was working 40+ hours a week on the editing alone, let alone recording the narrative and making music and so on. Hardly ever get a day off, so yes a lot of work :)
My current plan for Stalingrad is to do it in seasons of 6-8 videos each, otherwise it'll take forever and a day for me to even start! By doing it in seasons, I can then do all the research and scripts for each season separate, rather than waiting to finish all the research and scripts before starting. I'm also hoping to recruit an editor to help me out, although with the current Patreon crisis (the company is in trouble after the Sargon of Akhad issue) I've had to out that idea on hold.
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I know you're trying to help, and I thank you for your feedback. I am working on improving my edits. But I think you have a misconception of what having a YouTube channel is like.
I'm a one man band, and for good reason - a small channel with barely 35k subscribers is not a channel that can afford to pay the bills. This is why I'm reliant on my Patreons to help me, since the books alone cost a fortune. If I can't afford to go full time on this - there's zero chance of me hiring a producer or a camera operator. Editing is done by me, on a tight schedule, since I'm committed to one video a week, and I work a more than full-time job. And yes, I have been experimenting with better edits and things more recently (see my very latest video), but doing that drastically increases the time it takes to edit, which means I have less time for research and script writing, which means I'm not able to get the videos out each week, or work on big projects behind the scenes like Crusader and Stalingrad. My time is incredibly limited. The research for Crusader alone came to 91,300 words. Stalingrad is still over 370,000. And for me, the priority has been and always will be the in-depth information and accuracy of the videos. One day I will go full-time, and maybe one day after that I'll be able to afford a second camera for secondary shots, or better lighting (which is something I am working on now), or have the time to shoot more B-roll, or hire an editor or research assistant or camera man etc. But as it stands right now I simply cannot do it. I have to get these videos done and dusted, and move on.
Again, this is why I'm highly reliant on Patreon support, because unless you're bringing in a million views per video per day, YouTube pays you in penny's. And the reason they do that is because the vast majority of viewers use adblock. Currently I get more money on Patreon than I get on YouTube (and I'm grateful to every single Patreon for this). And all of it goes on books or equipment. If I was to count up everything I've spent on YouTube over the years, not including the hours I've put into it, I'll have made a colossal loss. But I love doing it, and I have a passion for history, so here we are :)
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Right, except knowing all of that does not change the conclusion of the video, which I don't think you got to, because if you had you wouldn't be discussing tank vs tank numbers and gun sizes, which are not relevant.
Also, I would like to point out that the Germans only committed 68.1% (973) of their Panzer III's (1,429) to the East, and 71.6% (439) of their Panzer IV (613). They could have taken more, but didn't. And if 6% were unarmed like you say, I wonder why that was, considering they had the tanks to arm them.
[Stats from Table 2.6, Enduring the Whirlwind, Page 111]
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Yes, I understand how YouTube works, but I can't produce this content any quicker. It takes me an entire week just to edit the Stalingrad videos. That's not scripting or shooting them, just the editing. It's a full two weeks worth of work, and then on top of that I've got to do research, scripting, recording, editing and publishing three other videos in a four week period. And I'm struggling to do that! It's simply impossible to make the same quality history videos any quicker.
Yes, if I was doing gaming videos like I used to do, I could probably publish one or two a day, no problem. But since Monday last week, I've read three complete history books, and a few chapters in several more books, just to do the research for tomorrow's video. I'm just taking a quick break right now, but I'm scrambling to get the thing recorded and edited last minute, and may have to do an all-nighter to get it done in time. I haven't counted, but I must be approaching 70 hours of work this week.
So to say "publish more videos" is simply impossible; not for this type of content. Yeah, I could easily do vlog videos or Minecraft videos, or even silly 5-minute "let me tell you my opinion on the Tiger tank" videos which just repeat the same old useless facts every other video on the subject has already regurgitated a million times, but that's not what the majority of my viewers want, and that's not what I want. The Stalingrad series is currently 23 hours long, with a script of 206,758 words so far. I'm going for quality, not quantity, and if that means the views suffer, then the views suffer, because I'm not compromising on the accuracy or the detail just to get some extra views.
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I agree, but you must understand the context. The reason I'm doing these Q&A videos is because I'm working on Battlestorm: The Courland Pocket 1944-45, coming out this month. I can't do top-quality weekly videos AND Battlestorm documentaries. That's why last year I aimed to get the Crusader series out in March, but ended up starting it in October, because I was concentrating on quality weekly videos. This wasn't good overall because, while I was getting lots of views per video, my hardcore viewers were demanding Battlestorms. And I wanted more Battlestorms too. So I'm working on the Battlestorms behind the scenes, then doing Q&A and less quality videos in between. This satisfies my Patreons, and those wanting Battlestorms, but obviously means a dip in quality for the weeks inbetween Battlestorms.
And this is why I need financial support via Patreon. I was going to hire an editor to help me make the videos, thus cutting down massively on the amount of time it takes to make a video so that I can get more quality videos out each week. Sadly, the Patreon crisis resulted in a loss of money between December and January, and it's too unstable now to hire someone. This current Q&A format video is the direct consequence of that problem.
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"And having worked with, and co-authored several peer reviewed scientific papers on, using insect viruses to control pest populations (not to mention read a fair bit on past human epidemics), I fully endorse what the government has been doing to contain and control this pandemic."
Yes, that's why you're a racist, Marxist anti-semite, and a Nationalist who wants to "control pest populations" just like Hitler did. You don't like people who have "bad blood", do you?
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"Yes, but far right extremists are just as bad. Ask anyone who lives or has lived under a military dictatorship."
Again, the right believes in liberty, not military dictatorship. A military dictatorship is a socialist dictatorship, since a military is a State, and the State control of the economy is Socialism. https://www.chirho.consulting/uploads/6/9/7/5/69753685/the-real-political-spectrum_orig.png
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"The problem is that right wing extremists are using the convoys..."
Oh yes, just look at these "Far Right extremists" do all this https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/suhf18/canadian_terrorism/
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"has NOTHING to do with vaccination at all (as seen by the weapons seizures at the US border, the US and Confederate flags being waved in the Canadian capitol, the banners saying "Spirit of 1776)."
Exactly, it's about FREEDOM from racist-Fascist medical segregation.
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"If you question what I am talking about with regards to right wing extremists organizing things, please read this CTV news article about the convoy organizers"
Yeah, the same central-bank funded lamestream media that tells me I'm a conspiracy theorist for believing that the central banks that are hyperinflating the currency supply and then blaming it on the small shop owners, and is also telling me that the BLM riots were "just" and also "peaceful protests", and also how Kyle Rittenhouse was a "far right extremist", and how everyone who voted for Brexit is a Nazis, is now saying bad stuff about a handful of irrelevant politicians. Somehow I don't take their word for it.
But you do. And the reason you do is because you're a little Mussolini.
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"It is very much the attitude of a petulant bully, not someone who is concerned about the health and welfare of society as a whole."
I see, the elite are forcing entire economies to shut down and are starving people to death, but that's fine - they're not the bullies or anything! But then when people start to protest against these racist-Socialists, you claim they're bullies. Wait, who's the "Far Right extremist" here? Oh that's right, it's you.
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"Their whole argument is based on a selfish premise that doesn't take into account the public good."
By "public" you mean the State. So yes, they're fighting against the State, because the State is totalitarian. I know you don't understand that, since no NATIONAL Socialist like yourself understands this, but it's a FACT https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y Why don't you learn from history before it repeats itself again?
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"Nor is it based on scientific evidence, but rather fallacy, lies and misinformation."
Unfortunately I am not allowed to comment on this, since YouTube has already restricted my right of speech on the subject. Your remarks on this, however, scream of intellectual immaturity.
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"It is a form of enabled narcissistic self interest that expresses no concern about the health and well being of others, nothing more."
It's not about health, it's about freedom from tyranny, oppression, and collective stupidity.
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"I would also add that this has nothing to do with racist, Marxist-Fascist governments overstepping bounds"
Yes it is.
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"But rather people getting what we in Canada call "cabin fever". Everyone has been under stress because of concerns over COVID and chaffing under restrictions (in part because the bulk of them have no knowledge of epidemiology) while lacking the means to "blow off steam", and some people are reaching the breaking point."
No, people are finally starting to wake up and realize that they've been lied to, and that this was all a means to an ends. It was never about health, but about power. The Statists have seized power, and have convinced many to surrender themselves to the dictators. Luckily, some are fighting back, as am I in my own little ways.
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"The fact that at least 75% of the population in our country has been vaccinated, and we have under 1/3 the infection rate that our "free" neighbours to the south have, suggests that we are on the right course to keep COVID-caused mortality down to a minimum."
And the price of making the situation way worse with those backwards measures was slavery to the State. Well done. Hope it was worth it.
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Because it sounds wrong to English speakers like me to not put the "The" before the name. Same with THE UK and THE USA and THE Vatican. I don't go "Hi, I'm from UK". No, I'm from THE UK. If The Caucasus was it's own separate country, it would also be called The Caucasus because the name simply demands it to not sound wrong.
"Hi, I'm from Ukraine" is just awkward to both mind and ears. It should be "Hi, I'm from the Ukraine." Kinda like you wouldn't say "Hi, I'm from city." That's just wrong. "Hi I'm from the city" is correct. Same when referring to the Ukraine. The word demands it.
Thinking about it, if it's ending was different, it would work. So "Hi, I'm from Ukrainia". Yep, that sounds acceptable. And if you change the front - "Hi I'm from Bukraine" sounds fine too. But the word "Ukraine", purely as a word, in the context of a country, to my ears, demands a THE before it. That's the reason why I say it.
Perhaps someone with a degree in English can explain this better. It's purely the sound of it for me.
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"What you dont tell your viewers is that Marxism is a criticism of our current economic conditons, not a playbook on how to build a communist society."
The current economic conditions are terrible. Capitalism doesn't work. However, the Communist's final solution isn't going to make things better.
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"I cant see how its honest of you to blame past societal failures on marx, when any good marxist knows marxism does little to inform communists how to build a communist society, how then can marx be blamed for Cambodia, stalin, etc.?"
You're splitting hairs. Marxism results in the attempts, and those attempts always fail. The reason why people keep trying to make Communism happen is because they're rejecting reality as a result of the dialectic cult.
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"As a past socialist yourself you should know that anti-authoritarian Marxists exist"
Yes, and that's the doublethink on show. The "anarchists" on the "Left" are only "anarchists" against the current system. Once capitalism is gone, they play to create "Federations" of trade unions and all sort of other nonsense. They're not actual anarchists, they're authoritarians. And the only way they can implement their regimes is through totalitarianism. All their roads lead to the same conclusion. That's why, when I realised this, I stopped being a socialist.
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"Your political work is a total mess, and omits too much information to be taken seriously."
You can keep crying but I'm not backing down just because you can't regulate your emotions.
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I understand your frustration with the capitalist system, and I agree that the politicians are all into kids. However, the current system is bad because our economy is not free. We have ridiculous amounts of taxation, regulation and inflation (caused by the state central banks, which Karl Marx called for in the Communist Manifesto). What we need then is neither more Communism nor Capitalism, not do we need some middle position. What we need is a free market.
The solution to selfishness and greed is not more selfishness and greed. The solution is a self-regulating economic system. There is only one system like that, and that system is the free market.
Fascism only promises more of the same, just with different people on top. If you want inflation to continue, take over the central banks, it won't change a thing. You want inflation to stop? Okay, the free market has the solution to that - gold and silver as means of exchange.
Collectivising the farms will result in cheaper prices, and food shortages. The cure for high prices is high prices. If you don't understand why then I recommend the book "Economics in One Lesson" by Henry Hazlitt, which I think you should read as a top priority.
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I've just finished making notes from Glantz's third book (out of the five in the "trilogy") and am currently at 242,000 words of research on Stalingrad. So yes, I have read it.
I never said the Red Army was "more competent than the [Heer]", only that the German Army was not as superior to the Red Army as is often perceived. That in fact is the lie told by the German generals after the war, when the western world needed to believe that the Soviets were inferior.
As you said yourself, every single "counterattack" failed to break the German line. Hold on a second, the Germans were defending? It's often stated that an army on the attack must have a much higher force ratio to overcome the defender and will (often) sustain higher casualties. Considering that these counteroffensives were hastily cobbled together and executed in order to try slow the Germans down in their advance to Stalingrad, it's no wonder they failed. However, once the Soviets had time to create a proper offensive plan and gather sufficient force, they executed a stunning offensive, surrounding the Sixth Army - despite numerous Romanian and German defensive actions and counterattacks. Not bad for an "interior" enemy.
And you're right, several German Panzer divisions did face alarming shortages in and around Stalingrad. But not elsewhere. As I'll show in my next video, Germany had enough tanks and men to replace it's losses and actually grow its numbers up until mid 1943. That is including the losses sustained at Stalingrad. That is one of the myths or excuse told by the German generals as to why they lost the war. The reality is a lot different.
And "my" argument was based wholeheartedly on what many modern historians have concluded. Main source listed in the description. My next video (hopefully coming this week) will hit hard with some statistics that will prove there's nothing lazy about the stated argument
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I made a follow-up video to this video that talks through the statistics https://youtu.be/_7BE8CsM9ds A lot of people didn't like it and claimed it was wrong (which is fine, that's their opinion). However, their counter-arguments aren't very persuasive, with some saying "statistics don't matter"!? Also calling someone an idiot doesn't make their argument wrong, but they think that's a valid counter-argument.
The point is this, the Germans outnumbered the Soviets until they got to Moscow. That doesn't mean they didn't kill more Soviets than they lost men (they did kill a lot more) but they had several strategic advantages at that point, including the fact that they outnumbered the Soviets, had total surprise, and caught the Soviets completely unprepared in the middle of a no-where-near finished mobilisation effort. Despite this, some historians say that this period in 1941 is when the Germans lost the war. If not, then 1942.
There was no second-front in 1941 or 42. North Africa was a side-show, taking 1.5 panzer divisions away from the Eastern Front in 1941. The Axis and Soviets were fighting with everything they had in 1941 and 1942, and the war was decided then.
It's up to you who you blame, but who was blaming Hitler? Was it the German generals? Guderian says that Hitler delayed the attack on Moscow and tries to make out that Hitler had surrounded himself with yes-men. The reality was that 1 million Soviet troops were on Guderian's southern flank, and Hitler and his generals couldn't advance on Moscow without defeating them first. Guderian says that everyone in the room was against him, which proved that Hitler was surrounded by yes-men. No, the reality is that Guderian was alone in his opinion.
Yes, Hitler didn't allow Paulus to breakout of Stalingrad. But that's a very very very complicated set of circumstances which I don't I don't have time to go into here. I'll be discussing this in my upcoming Stalingrad documentary (currently at 370,000 words of research). However, the point is that sometimes Hitler was justified in his decision-making, and was backed up by at least some of the German generals. Hitler alone wasn't the reason the Germans lost the war though. And the main thing I want you to realise is that the German generals after the war don't want to lose face and so were trying to shift the blame from themselves. Conveniently, Hitler was dead and unable to defend himself against their accusations. It's an easy cop-out. They're equally, if not more-so, to blame for their defeat.
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"and you'll see that the brilliant Russians only won when severely outnumbering their opponents or when cut off of supplies."
The same could be said for the Germans, since they only won battles when the odds were heavily stacked in their favour. Not only did the Germans have total initial surprise, they caught the Soviets in the middle of a mobilisation and reorganization effort. In effect, they hit them at the perfect time. This also explains why they bagged as many prisoners as they did at the beginning. However, once the Soviets recovered, and got their industry going again (since they moved it all to the Urals during the fighting in 1941) they began to produce mass numbers of artillery and anti-tank guns, which prevented the Germans from achieving the one thing they were good at - breaking through the front and encircling. Once the Germans lost the ability to even break through the Soviet front lines (i.e. the period around Stalingrad and Kursk), they suddenly also started losing battles. After the Third Battle of Kharkov, the Germans barely won battles, which is why they also lost the war.
And the Germans weren't outnumbered at Stalingrad, where Paulus' 80,000 initial city-assault force faced barely 54,000 Soviets in the city (in fact, Chuikov's forces never exceeded 54,000 at any point in the fighting, and definitely shrank as the battle progressed). Yet I don't recall the Germans winning that one.
[Numbers come from Book two of Glantz's Stalingrad Trilogy.]
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I've covered the Purges, and what most of the old histories of the Purges miss out on (because they didn't have full access to Soviet sources) was that what had a bigger impact was the massive mobilization effort going on in the Red Army at the time, which dwarfs what was happening in the Purges https://youtu.be/JnWNnI6YlQQ
The Germany Army was the "better" army in 1941 only. In 1942 onwards, it never achieved more of the "greatest tactical victories in history" that it achieved in 1941. As shown in this video https://youtu.be/_7BE8CsM9ds the Axis actually outnumbered the Soviets in 1941. Worse, they caught the Soviets in the middle of that mobilization effort. In short, they were totally unprepared for war. But for more details - their motorized divisions hadn't received trucks yet, and their tank divisions were too tank-heavy and had little infantry support. Plus they were using a mishmash of all different sorts of tanks and planes. In effect, they had no chance.
But once the Soviets recovered 1942 onwards, the Germans were unable to achieve those great tactical victories it had in 1941. The point I was trying to make is that the Germans only win when they have a massive advantage. Once that advantage is lost, they suddenly aren't able to win. This is different to the traditional narrative which says the Germans won most tactical battles even though they were vastly outnumbered, but still lost strategically. The reality is that they did lose tactically as well.
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Sorry, I misread. On the offensive, you're usually going to take higher casualties than your opponent. That's not always the case, but usually is unless your opposition is either routed or handicaped in some way. And it's often said that you need a force ratio of 3 or 4 to 1 on the attack in order to succeed. Dug in enemy, ambushes, delays, over-extention, counterattacks and so on - these all cause high casualties. And that's probably a big reason for the higher casualties seen later in the war by the Soviets.
However, there is another side to this. It's kinda hard to explain in text without writing many paragraphs so I'm going to keep it quite simple for the sake of word count. But basically, the German "Bewegungskrieg" (another more-accurate term for Blitzkrieg) was great once it had penetrated into the operational depths of the enemy's front. As it penetrated the front, it took casualties (the Germans took hundreds or thousands of casualties in fact on day 1 or Barbarossa). But once it broke through, the casualties generally reduced unless the enemy had reserve forces. Once in the operational depths, it just encountered light resistance from rear service units as it encircled the bulk of the enemy's forces. However, it suffered once it's logistics chain was spread too thin, and this is why the Germans had a stop-start stop-start campaign of offensives. They would strike through the Soviet lines, encircle a bunch of people, then stop, dig in, wait and rearm before their next attack. You see this constantly during the Blau and Stalingrad campaign (and I will cover this when my documentary finally comes out) and through the North African Campaign (which I'm part way through).
This meant that the Germans were actually defending a lot of the time, even in 1941 and 1942. And the Soviets were counterattacking constantly right from the beginning of the war. They were striking back at the Germans over and over again. This, coupled with encirclements, is a big reason for the high amount of casualties sustained by the Soviets. The problem was, in their sheer desperation to stop the German offensives or do damage to the Germans, they could never strike through to the operational depths (e.g. the many Kotluban' offensives). Therefore, their attacks constantly met with high casualties until eventually they did make a breakthrough.
It's often said that the Soviets changed their strategy in 1942 from a broad-front strategy to one where they concentrated their forces, and that's the reason they started winning. This is incorrect. The Soviets were fighting a broad-front strategy throughout the war. The difference was that once the Germans were brought to a crawl or even standstill - Moscow, Stalingrad, Kursk - the Soviets had more time to launch or plan their own counterattacks and fight on their terms. The strategy never changed. Instead, a combination of factors - such as increased industrial output, patience from Stalin and the Stavka, a harbouring of reserves, a slowing and weakening of the German forces (usually due to their poor logistics) and an effective concealment of their intentions - the Soviets were able to gather enough strength at the vital parts of the front to breakthrough the German lines. Up until after Kursk, the Soviets didn't vastly outnumber the Germans at any one point, but they were able to concentrate at certain points of the front where the Germans (or Axis allies) were weakest and overwhelm them there.
So, to answer your question, it's more of a case that the Germans were on the defensive most of the time. And this is probably why the Western Allies took a lot of casualties too. It's not a simple case of the Heer just being superior somehow. They were good at fighting - but that didn't mean that everyone else wasn't good at fighting too.
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You do realise I work in logistics, and no it doesn't. It paints a picture of German incompetence, and Soviet unpreparedness, which fits the narrative given in the video. The Soviets were outnumbered at the beginning of the conflict, and were caught completely off guard during the middle of a mobilization program while a massive reorganization program was under way as well. Their tank divisions were just tanks, because the infantry elements hadn't been issued with trucks yet. If the Germans had stuck one year earlier, or one year later, it would have been even worse for the Wehrmacht. The Soviets were reliant on light tanks at a time where the German Panzer IIIs and IVs had the technological edge and were dominating the battlefield, and then they were hit by the largest land and air invasion in history... but survived it.
1941 has been fashioned to say that the German army was amazing - and it was a good army. However it had many serious issues, was lead by poor and out of touch leadership, and was simply not up to the task logistically. The German generals were even warned that their logistics wouldn't get them to Moscow, so they assumed they would defeat the Red Army on the border before racing off to victory. That didn't happen, and neither did victory. Yes the Soviets lost a lot in 1941, but when they recovered, they reduced the ratio of loss, which, given the ratio in 1941, says they really were as capable fighters as the Germans.
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The odd battalion-worth of British light tanks aside, Lend Lease was not substantial until 1943. The war was over by then.
The Soviets had the Far East to defend and garrison, as well as Persia and the rest of the Soviet Union. They weren't fully committed to the Eastern Front either. However to say that the Germans were "engaged" on those fronts is incorrect. North Africa was just a handful of divisions. The Balkans wasn't a full-fledged conflict at this point, and neither was Norway.
"Like with any history you have to try to remove the bias as much as possible and learn from the facts."
I will copy and paste what I said to someone else -
Soviet accounts and statistics are equally as bad as German accounts and statistics. That distrust you have of Soviet sources is the exact the same level of distrust you should have towards German sources. The fact that you don't have that level of distrust is proof in itself that bias has crept in. You should treat EVERY source, no matter the subject, with suspicion. No source is reliable, not even German sources.
Guderian lies through his teeth about Barbarossa. Manstein lies through his teeth about Stalingrad. Raus gets his dates mixed up - a period of 3 days of combat near Stalingrad is made out to have actually taken place in 1 day in Raus's memoirs (13th to 15th of December 1942, but he says all that combat occurs on the 13th) - let alone numerous other holes in his and other accounts. In some of these scenarios, the Soviet accounts are actually more reliable than the German ones, although again they're not 100% trustworthy. This is why it's vitally important to look at every source with equal reservation.
Now, this bias may not be your fault. As I've just said to someone else - Pick up an English-language history book on the Eastern Front of WW2 (there are some exceptions but these are more recent and few) and you will find that they are relying almost entirely on German sources. Go to Amazon and look up WW2, you'll get biography after biography on German generals, and German units, and German operations. Then try find the Soviet biographies, units or operations... There's barely any! There is a massive bias towards the Germans in the history books. Because that is what sells.
If you're still not convinced, fine. But just, for 10 minutes, consider this. What's the point of studying history? Isn't it to get to the truth? If it is, then how do you get to the truth if all you have to work with is lies?
The only way to do it is to gather all the lies and compare them to each other. Somewhere in that sea of lies is the truth.
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As mentioned in Enduring the Whirlwind, the Germans also had a massive lack of leadership. On the 16th of March 1935, Hiter announced that Germany would expand the Reichswehr (renamed Wehrmacht on 1st of June) to 36 divisions in twelve army corps. "From the initial pool of 4,000 officers who had belonged to the Reichswehr, 450 were veterinary or medical personnel while 500 others were transferred to the Lueftwaffe in 1933. Aside from personnel required for staff and administrative appointments and all the various independent corps and army level units, the new target of 36 divisions alone would need 19,224 officers." ... "Following the Anschluss with Austria in 1938, a further 1,800 Austrian officers were also taken on strength. While these emergency measures mitigated the worst shortages, they could do little to alleviate the lack of trained General Staff officers or the concern amongst several senoir commanders that the rapid expansion had diluted the high standards of the officer corps." P53.
So Soviet leadership had been purged, but German leadership was also non-existant.
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Ok I just want to point out a few things. The "Battle of Stalingrad" shouldn't be called a "battle" as it's more of a campaign in itself. It's actually a multiple series of battles that take place over a 5-6 month period. Within the "battle" are multiple offensives, counteroffensives, strokes, and counterstrokes, that take place in and around the city. The key point being around the city. I think that's why the Encyclopaedia you linked states 1.1 million losses, because it's counting everything around the city.
Talking about the combat within the city itself - Chuikov's 62nd Army never really went above 50,000 men at any one time. And usually it was below that, AND parts of his army were on the eastern bank of the Volga or the islands in the river. The Germans outnumbered the Soviets for most of the battle, and yet were slowly ground down throughout.
Operationa Uranus wasn't Zhukov's offensive. He helped out significantly, but it was actually a combination (there's a debate still raging as to who came up with the idea and plan) of Eremenko, Vasilievsky, Zhukov and others. Vasilevsky was in charge during the inital offensive.
And while the Germans did occupy western Europe (and Norway like you said) they weren't sending vast numbers of replacements to the west until 1943 onwards. And even if they had lots of units in the west, they still have between 3-4 million men in the east. On the 1st of July 1943, the Soviets have 11,936,777 men. THIS is the highest number of men they have at any given time throughout the war. The Germans (not including Axis allies) at this time have 4,440,000 men in the east. At most then, they're outnumbered 3:1. Surely, the "superior" German army can win against an "inferior" foe that only outnumbers them 3 to 1??
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Chuikov's army was smaller that Paulus's during the battle of Stalingrad. Chuikov got more reinforcements fed into his army, but it never grew over 50,000 men. Paulus on the other hand had to keep feeding new units into the battle, rather than being drip-fed constantly, like Chuikov. Ultimately, Chuikov held on, but it wasn't because they outnumbered the Germans.
Also, I've mentioned this elsewhere, but the two-front war thing didn't take effect until late 1942 at the earliest, or more until 1943. Until then, the war was almost exclusively on the Eastern Front. And lend-lease also didn't arrive in significant numbers until late 1942. Yet, the war was more or less lost for Germany by this point. Again, the German Army perished in the East, because the Soviets beat them.
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I replied this to someone else, but the numbers here speak differently.
According to Enduring the Whirlwind - which is getting this particular information from Müller-Hillebrand, Das Heer 1933-1945 - total German losses in the East between June 1941 and June of 1943 were 3,965,000 (this figure also includes "sick"). They sent out 4,440,000 replacements in the same period, which meant the German army grew by 475,000 men. Plus they were augmented by Axis allies.
Now the Soviet side - Glantz says "since 22 June 1941, when the Red Army fielded about 5.5 million soldiers , it had suffered just over six million casualties, with roughly 3.5 million killed, captured, or missing, and about 2.5 million wounded or fallen ill. Despite such an appalling toll, the NKO's mobilization measures had managed to increase the army's average monthly operating strength from three million soldiers in 1941 to about 4.2 million during the first quarter of 1942."
Glantz says that when the Germans had 5.8 million men (Axis total 6.5 million) on the 1st of May 1942, the Soviets had just reached about 9 million "with about five million of these assigned to its field, or operating, army at the front and to the Stavka Reserve." That's not even double what the Germans have! It really doesn't sound like the Germans were facing hordes of Red Army soldiers.
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The real minimum wage is zero. But you wouldn't work for zero. There is a limit to how low a wage can go based on all the factors. Similarly, increasing the wage artificially higher than it should be, even by a little, has disastrous effects on the economy at large. For a full understanding of this, I'd recommend "Economics in One Lesson" by Henry Hazlitt, and "Basic Economics" by Thomas Sowell.
Anyone advocating for a "minimum wage" or any other price or wage controls simply does not understand basic economics, because there are no real benefits to such policies and only downsides. But those downsides are hidden, which is why I recommend those books above because there's too much for me to explain here.
And also, you have to agree to the wage you're being paid. If you're on minimum wage, you've done something wrong (unless it's your first job or you're a student or something). In reality, you shouldn't be in a minimum wage job for more than a short period of time. If you are "stuck" in such a job, then that's on you. Because you should be working in your own time to developing skills and throwing applications at every job that's better than the one you're currently in. If you're not doing those things, and if you're expecting miracles, your view of how the job market works is flawed.
Yes, it takes time. Yes, it's tough. Yes, it requires work. But the benefits are real. It's your life and it's ending one moment at a time. You can either * DO. THE. WORK * and improve your life, or sit there and moan about it on your minimum wage job. Your choice.
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Nikolai Starikov is pro-Russian and pro-Soviet. His agenda is about as obvious as the moon in the night sky. That's not to say I won't read him, but that it's clear why he wants to paint Stalin as a good guy. The reality was that Stalin was a mass murdering dictator, and that has nothing to do with "western media" or "big media". It has to do with the primary and secondary source documents which clearly show that the Stalin regime did suppress and murder the "citizens" of the Soviet Union, and was one of the worst socialist regimes in history. The historians (notice that these are individuals, not social groups) covering this topic are not controlled by the mythical "global oligarchy" (whatever the hell that is). They are individuals and can make their own decisions. And, if anything, I would highly question Nikolai Starikov's pro-Russian and pro-Soviet stance, especially given the context of the time (Putin).
The book covers I showed included one that is a primary source document written in 1939. Yes, there are book publishers on the covers, but that's how books are printed in the west. They're not sanctioned by the state and then printed, they're printed by private companies who own the means of production. They're free to print whatever they want. If anything, this actually gives them less of an incentive to form a "concensus" because there are multiple rivals and differing opinions, which is exactly what you get in the historiography about this topic. There is no agreement on this topic as I described in the video, and this is good because the debate is on. And these companies are not "western media". They're not owned by the BBC or Fox News. And there are independant publishers as well. I'm an independant video creator. YouTube is "western media" but I'm not dictated to by YouTube on what my opinions should be on a given topic. They're governed by the people who view my videos. If the people who viewed my videos disagree with my interpretation, then it's back to the drawing board to find more evidence or reassess. If I came out and said "Stalin was a great guy" without substantial evidence to back that up, I'd be eaten alive. Why? Because there's a ton of evidence that says he's not a great guy.
If you're not willing to listen to alternative interpretations backed by evidence, and are willing to reject them as "lies", then you're also rejecting the core ideas of history - historical discourse and the scientific method. I will read Nikolai Starikov, but you should read Stephen Kotkin.
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Sadly, there are so many commenters on my previous videos like them, that's why I felt like responding. This video really wasn't aimed at them specifically, but the 'stick to tanks' crowd, and my regular viewers who, I hope, have learned 1. what I'm dealing with on a daily basis, 2. how to respond in the face of harsh insults, and 3. something out of that last 10 minutes, which I think is the best part of the video (and one of the best video moments I've ever put out, in my opinion). So, I don't think this video was a waste of time.
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Roses are red
Oil slicks leave marks
Here's a poem
From happy-chappy Karl Marx -
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Frantic, he holds her near,
Darkly looks in her eye.
“Pain so burns you, Dear,
And at my breath you sigh.
“Oh, you have drunk my soul.
Mine is your glow, in truth.
My jewel, shine your fill.
Glow, blood of youth.”
“Sweetest, so pale your face,
So wondrous strange your words.
See, rich in music’s grace
The lofty gliding worlds.”
“Gliding, dearest, gliding,
Glowing, stars, glowing.
Let us go heavenwards riding,
Our souls together flowing.”
His voice is muffled, low.
Desparate, he looks about.
Glances of crackling flame
His hollow eyes shoot out.
“You have drunk poison, Love.
With me you must away.
The sky is dark above,
No more I see the day.”
Shuddering, he pulls her close to him.
Death in the breast doth hover.
Pain stabs her, piercing deep within,
And eyes are closed forever.
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The movie, while a good film, is not very accurate and gives a wrong impression of why the battle was lost. John Frost was an advisor on the set and says in his book that there were several inaccuracies. "Major Fuller" is actually Major Urquhart (not the general). Browning did dismiss the intelligence report, that is true. And his treatment of Sosabowski was wrong. They did face old men and young boys... But they also faced a lot of veterans too. Most notable is the eyes and ears battalions that attacked the Groesbeek Heights on day 2. It wasn't 2nd ASK Panzer Division, it was 2nd SS Panzer Corps, which had 9th and 10th SS Panzer Divisions. These had been battered after Normandy. Flooding was not an issue, it was that the Dutch reclaimed parts of the sea or rivers for farmland, and this land doesn't make good landing grounds for paratroopers. The reason the landing zone was far away at Arnhem was because the RAF didn't want to suffer casualties from the heavy flak expected to be in Arnhem city itself.
I disagree that the operation was doomed from the start. As shown in my Market Garden documentary, every bridge (except one, Nijmegen) was taken intact or not (Son) on day 1. On the morning of day 3, XXX Corps was just 10 miles from Arnhem. It then suffered a critical 36 hour delay at Nijmegen before the bridge was taken. The reason that XXX Corps did not get to Arnhem was because Nijmegen Bridge was not taken on day 1 when it could have been, which is exactly what Frost concluded.
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This argument raises the question. Was it more an Allied defeat, or a German victory? If you support this argument, let us know.
And, the final argument makes the case that the battle was lost, not at its inception, not at it’s planning, not even by the Germans (sort of), but by the decision not to capture the Nijmegen bridge on day one. This argument makes the case that the original Market Garden plan was thrown out as soon as General Gavin of the 82nd made the decision to deprioritise the capture of the Nijmegen bridge and focus his division on the Groesbeek Heights. Without the capture of Nijmegen bridge, there was no way XXX Corps could get to Arnhem in time. Proponents of this argument also make the case that XXX Corps wasn’t delayed before they reached Nijmegen, they were delayed 36 hours at Nijmegen. They also point out that it was Gavin who later claimed XXX Corps was 36 hours behind schedule before reaching Nijmegen bridge. So basically, because Nijmegen bridge wasn’t taken on day one, the Germans were able to block the road to Arnhem, and therefore the Operation was doomed. It wasn’t that XXX Corps was too slow as the first argument suggests, but that they suffered a far too crucial delay at Nijmegen. The whole point of the Operation was to lay an airborne carpet for the tanks to roll over. The bridges were the priority of the Operation. They were the main objective. Market Garden failed because one of those bridges was ignored for a few hours after the initial landings, allowing the Germans to secure it. Gavin certainly comes under flak by supporters of this argument, since he made the original decision to deprioritise Nijmegen bridge. But blame also goes to General Browning, commander of the whole airborne part of the plan, since his hand was in that decision too. When asked, who made the decision to prioritise the Groesbeek Heights rather than the bridge at Nijmegen, General Gavin’s response was: This decision was made by myself and approved by my Corps Commander. As a result, it’s fair to place the blame on General Gavin of the US 82nd Airborne, and his superior, British General Frederick Browning, for the failure of Operation Market Garden.
So there is a basic overview of the three main arguments for the failure of Operation Market Garden. Which do you agree with? Let’s give you a second to pause the video so you can let us know your opinion in the comments. Ok.
Having seen the battle unfold, it’s hard not to come to the conclusion that the Operation was lost at Nijmegen. Gavin and Browning failed to take a bridge, which was the one thing they had to do. The objective of the whole Operation was to take the bridges. And they didn’t do it. And whilst you could say it was the Germans who held the Nijmegen bridge for so long, it was only because Gavin didn’t send troops to take it until the early evening of the first day, by which point, it was too late. It’s almost as if it was an afterthought. There is this fact floating around that XXX Corps was 36 hours behind schedule by the time they reached Nijmegen bridge. But this is actually something Gavin said after the battle to bend the truth. XXX Corps was at Nijmegen at the beginning of day 3 of the Operation. So 42 hours after the beginning of the Operation (since it started in the afternoon) they couldn’t be 36 hours behind schedule, since they were 8 miles from their objective. They’d gone 50 miles and they’d got to Nijmegen with time to spare. Unfortunately not enough spare time to fight the 10th SS Panzer Division, but if Nijmegen bridge had been taken by the 82nd, it’s likely they could have reached Arnhem by the end of day 3.
Because the 82nd hadn’t taken Nijmegen Bridge, it took XXX Corps and the bravery of the 82nd troopers paddling across the Waal another 36 hours to get across the bridge. Nijmegen cost XXX Corps a day and a half, and as a result, caused Frost’s troops to be overwhelmed, caused 1st Airborne more casualties, and caused the failure of the entire Operation. The British troops at Arnhem were not relieved, and if they had been on day three, or even on day four, it’s reasonable to assume that XXX Corps could have been across the Rhine.
So why didn’t they take Nijmegen bridge on day one?
The obvious problem was that most of the 82nd had been ordered to guard the Groesbeek Heights. Now, you could say that they needed the Heights as this was their Landing Zone. But the issue isn’t that they guarded the Landing Zones, the issue is they guarded the landing zone with as many troops as they did, and also flew in artillery to pound the “1000 tanks” in the Reichswald, rather than take extra troops that could go towards Nijmegen. And Warren, who in the end sent 1st Battalion towards the bridge, wasn’t told to take Nijmegen bridge until the evening of the first day. There is a debate, still ongoing, as to whether Warren was issued pre-drop orders to take Nijmegen Bridge or not. He insists that he wasn’t until around 7 or 8pm on day one. Prior to this, he’d been ordered to dig in at the Groesbeek Heights, which he’d done. The blame therefore rests on General Gavin for not sending anyone towards Nijmegen.
Because Gavin feared an attack from the 1000 German tanks that were meant to be hiding in the Reichswald, he placed priority on taking the Groesbeek Heights, to protect against their attack. Except there weren’t 1000 tanks in the Reichswald. In fact, there is no evidence that anyone other than Gavin thought there were any tanks in the Reichswald. The German 406th Division that did move out on day 2 of the Operation could barely be called a brigade. The first time any German force worth defending against that was to come from the Reichswald moved out on Day 4, after XXX Corps had arrived, and then it wasn’t that big of a deal. At that point, the battle should have been over anyway.
Of course, Gavin made the initial decision not to take Nijmegen Bridge. This was a poor idea and Browning, as Gavin’s superior, should have questioned Gavin’s decision to take the Groesbeek Heights. Browning should have ordered Gavin to make the Nijmegen Bridge the priority once more. He didn’t do that. Why? Because he wanted to be on the ground to command the Operation from the front. He wanted the glory of leading a successful Operation from the ground, and setting up his Headquarters on the Groesbeek Heights would allow him to direct the battle, in theory. In practice Browning did next to nothing practical when he was on the ground. So rather than telling Gavin to change his plans, he reinforced them, which ultimately proved to be a disastrous decision. Browning also made several other disastrous decisions, like dismissing the intelligence reports about enemy tanks, so if you come to the conclusion that it was Browning’s fault, you can certainly argue the case.
But ultimately, the failure of this Operation was at Nijmegen, and when asking who was to blame for the failure of Operation Market Garden, you have to blame the person who changed the plan to suit their own wants. And the evidence here points to General Gavin.
The thing is, Gavin knew his head was likely to roll. To quote Max Hastings in his book, Armageddon: “Gavin of the US 82nd urged that the US Army should review its policy of ruthlessly relieving formation commanders who failed in a single battle. He argued that it might be wiser to allow general officers to gain experience, and to enjoy at least a second chance.” Because he’d messed up. He was urging this because he was responsible for the failure of Operation Market Garden, basically he was begging to keep his job.
I’m going to recite a lengthy but relevant quote from John Frost: “[By] far the worst mistake was the lack of priority given to the capture of Nijmegen Bridge. The whole essence of the plan was to lay an airborne carpet across the obstacles in southern Holland so that the Army could motor through, yet the capture of this, perhaps the biggest and most vital bridge in that its destruction would have sounded the death-knell of the troops committed at Arnhem, was not accorded priority. The capture of this bridge would have been a walk-over on D-day, yet the American 82nd Airborne Division could spare only one battalion as they must at all costs secure a feature called the Groesbeek Heights, where, incidentally, the H.Q. of Airborne Corps was to be sited. It was thought that the retention of this feature would prevent the debouchment of German armour from the Reichwald in Germany. This armour was there by courtesy of rumour only and its presence was not confirmed by the underground. In fact, as a feature it is by no means dominating and its retention or otherwise had absolutely no bearing on what happened at Nijmegen Bridge.” Thus, who was to blame for the failure of Operation Market Garden? Gavin.
But I’m certain some of you will disagree, which is why I told you right at the beginning, that this was a controversial battle. The myths surrounding Market Garden battle have been burned into history. I hope we've made a dent in those myths today.
Of course, history does not stand still. Tomorrow, new evidence or a new theory could come along and sweep away the conclusions we make today. But until then, I’d like to hear who or what you guys think is ultimately responsible for the failure of Operation Market Garden. Do you agree with the conclusions of this documentary? Hopefully you don’t because that’s what’s great about history. It’s not just about facts and figures, it’s about arguing. And we all like a good moan. This won't be the last documentary I make so make sure you subscribe to be notified of more. I hope this has been entertaining and enlightening. Thanks for watching, thanks for subscribing, bye for now.
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Episode 8 - Who was to Blame for the Failure of Operation Market Garden?
If you’ve watched all episodes in this series so far, then you know what the plan was. You’ve seen what happened. You know the outcome. Now we have to ask the question that has sparked controversy ever since: Who was to blame for the failure of Operation Market Garden?
Intro graphic.
This was the biggest airborne operation of all time and the last major defeat of the British military. Historians have come up with a host of reasons for the failure of Market Garden and we’re going to delve into them today. If you’ve watched from the beginning of this series, you’ll have seen the battle as it happened. But just so we’re up to speed, let’s quickly recap.
The plan was to take all the bridges between Eindhoven and Arnhem using paratroopers and create a corridor for British tanks and infantry to drive up and over, and off into the Netherlands. We saw how the initial landings went well, and we’ve seen how most of the bridges were taken without much trouble. Only a small portion of the British paras got to Arnhem bridge, but they held until the fourth day of the Operation. The Polish had dropped five days later and fought well to try support the British on the opposite side of the Rhine. Son bridge had blown, but was rebuilt by the 101st and by XXX Corps who made good their delay and raced to Nijmegen. Here they fought a tough battle for Nijmegen city and the bridge, which as a result of the determined and heroic effort from the soldiers of the American 82nd Airborne, saw the capture of that bridge. Sadly, despite the efforts of every Allied soldier up and down the corridor, the Germans had delayed them long enough to prevent them getting to the final bridge. Arnhem bridge. As General Browning had supposedly said before the battle, it was “a bridge too far”. Again, it’s debated whether he actually said that or not, but it serves it’s purpose.
It may come as a shock then to hear that, immediately after the battle, Sosabowski (commander of the Polish paras) was relieved of command and blamed for the failure of Operation Market Garden. What? Why? This may seem a little strange, and it was. Because of bad weather, the Polish had landed five days after the beginning of the Operation, and despite a portion of their force jumping into the jaws of the enemy, they’d fought hard to support the British trapped at Oosterbeek. Why then, was Sosabowski relieved? How could he be blamed for the failure of Operation Market Garden?
The truth is that at the time, a scapegoat was needed. And the Polish were an easy target. Some have even suggested that the Poles were only included in the battle just in case it did go wrong. After the war, historians started to look deeper into the reasons for the failure of the Operation, and nobody now thinks the Polish were to blame.
So, let’s look at three of the main arguments for the failure of Operation Market Garden.
The first argument is that it was “a rotten plan, poorly executed”, to quote Max Hastings. Now, there are a few variations to this somewhat popular and traditional argument, but the basic principle is this: the entire Operation was a failure from its conception. It was an over-ambitious plan, created in haste by a poor general, and the major mistakes that were made, were made mainly by the British units in the battle, and it was the British that ultimately should take the blame for the failure of Operation Market Garden. This argument makes clear that the ignored intelligence reports of enemy tanks, the landing zones miles away from the bridge, not being able to land the entirety of the Airborne divisions at once, faulty radios, and a host of bad decisions by commanders like Horrocks and Urquhart, essentially proves that the Operation was poorly executed.
1st Airborne failed to get most of it’s troops to Arnhem bridge on day 1. They were too eager to fight the Germans than get to their objective. They were dropped too far away from the bridge. Their radios didn’t work so they became disorganised. XXX Corps wasn’t hasty enough driving up Hell’s Highway, especially after getting across Nijmegen bridge. They delayed when they could have pressed on towards Arnhem, and may have gotten to Frost’s men in time. And as General Gavin of the 82nd said, XXX Corps were 36 hours delayed before reaching Nijmegen, and as a result they were never going to get to the British at Arnhem in time.
For this argument, blame is then usually placed on one of the British generals. Montgomery, despised by many people for many different reasons, often receives criticism for coming up with this “rotten plan”. Urquhart gets a lot of criticism for accepting landing zones miles from Arnhem bridge, and for accompanying 3rd Battalion, slowing them down, and for getting trapped in a house with his second in command, and for not making it clear who would take command of 1st Airborne if he and Lathbury were lost. So yeah, Urquhart has his fair share of the blame. Equally, it’s fair to say that Browning is the one who should take the blame, since he made plenty of mistakes too - the most noteworthy of which is dismissing the intelligence reports of German tanks in the Arnhem area. But Browning also takes criticism for taking vital transport aircraft from the British, and therefore weakening 1st Airborne on that first vital day. And let’s not forget Horrocks, who’s slow advance up Hell’s Highway effectively doomed the Operation, if you support this argument. XXX Corps took every opportunity to stop and rest, drink tea, and generally didn’t perform well at all. The usual fact that this argument says is that once the British tanks were over Nijmegen bridge and the road ahead was clear, they stayed there and drank tea - despite an American paratrooper offering to go with them to Arnhem.
So a few variations in who is to blame, but this argument is the one that’s been ingrained in the minds of majority of people when they think about Operation Market Garden. The massively popular film, “A Bridge Too Far” probably did more than anything else to cement the popularity of the argument. A lot of the books that focus solely on the Arnhem part of the battlefield tend to agree with this argument too, because as has been pointed out time and time again, the British made a lot of mistakes at Arnhem. So, do you agree with this argument? Let us know in the comments.
The second argument is that - wait for it - the Germans were the reason why the Allies failed. Yes, surprisingly some people think it wasn’t as much an Allied defeat, as it was a German victory. Robert Kershaw, in his book “It Never Snows in September” is adamant that the Germans outfought the Allies during Market Garden, despite having to rely on eyes and ears battalions and other unfit or reserve units. And when you look at the evidence, the Germans did a remarkable job with the little resources they had. All they had was two depleted Panzer Divisions, not even at half strength, backed up by Krafft’s force, which is actually part of 16th Panzergrenadier Division. So you could make the claim that there were two and a half panzer divisions at Arnhem. They also had Panzer Brigade 107, which successfully harassed the American 101st Division, and the super successful 406th Division, that was more of a brigade than a division. But despite having this severe lack of men and equipment, the Germans were able to concentrate the rag-tag forces they had, throw them at the enemy, and win this battle. Training their units to fight, rather than march. Improvisation, and the creation of kampfgruppen - or battle groups - and the initiative of their leaders, were the decisive factors that ultimately allowed the Germans to prevail. Kampfgruppe Spindler at Arnhem was decisive in stopping the rest of 1st Airborne reaching Frost at the Bridge. 10th SS Panzer Division fought at Nijmegen in a similar situation to Frost at Arnhem. They delayed XXX Corps at Nijmegen for 36 hours. It was the Germans who cut the corridor in the final days of the battle, and it was the Germans that came to the conclusion that it wasn’t the British landing zones being so far from Arnhem that was an issue, it was “that a second airborne division was not dropped in the area west of Arnhem”.
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Episode 7 - Days 7-10 - Holding On
Hold on. Hold on until the tanks relieve you. Hold on without reinforcement or resupply. Hold on until victory. Except there won’t be a victory. This battle is lost. It was lost days ago. You’re just holding on until someone decides to get you out. Such was the fate of the British Paras at Oosterbeek.
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Last time we saw the Poles drop at Driel and cause the Germans to shift their focus south of Arnhem. The corridor was cut at Veghel and the British attacks in the North stalled. The Germans at Oosterbeek pounded the British paras whilst the Red Devils held on inside the Witches Cauldron.
This time, we’re going to cover the last few days of Operation Market Garden, starting from the 23rd of September and ending on the 26th.
You’ll be surprised to learn that the remaining airborne reinforcements flew in on the 23rd of September. Yes! 7 days after the beginning of the Operation, the Poles received the rest of their Brigade that hadn’t taken off two days previously. The 101st and the 82nd also received additional reinforcements, including an entire regiment, the 325th Glider Infantry, that landed at Nijmegen.
With additional reinforcements, the Allies pushed Kampfgruppe Walther back towards Gemert in the evening of the 23rd. Defeated it may have been, but Kampfgruppe Walther had cut Hell’s Highway for 36 hours. Unfortunately, Walther was now in a poor position to attack the corridor once more, since British VIII Corps was now in Deurne. Over the next couple of days, it would withdraw to Boxmeer and would play no further part in the battle. On the 24th however, Kampfgruppe Huber, on the other side of Hell’s Highway, attacked towards Veghel. This Kampfgruppe was weaker than Walther, consisting of perhaps four Fallschirmjager battalions backed up by Jagdpanther tank destroyers. But the Germans had done their reconnaissance. They’d found gaps in the American lines.
Striking into Eerde from Schijndel, the German Jagdpanthers annihilated British tanks supported by American paratroopers. Several Shermans were taken out, and trucks burst into flames on Hell’s Highway itself. Now, whilst the Germans hadn’t got to the road, they had prevented traffic from flowing north. Once again the corridor was cut. Worse, another force from Kampfgruppe Huber attacked towards Koevering the next day. Ambushing vehicles on the road, Fallschirmjager did enough damage to cut the road again. Fifty vehicles were destroyed and the road was blocked here until the 26th - day 10 of Operation Market Garden - and basically the end.
On the 24th, Day 8 of the Operation, a meeting was held at Valburg between Horrocks, Browning, Thomas and Sosabowski to decide what to do. Sosabowski pointed out that sending reinforcements into Oosterbeek was pointless unless a major crossing could be made involving a lot more troops. This though, was not possible. A major crossing could not be mounted because XXX Corps was stretched too thin and had logistical troubles in the south. Instead, Horrocks decided that small crossings would have to continue for the time being. Interestingly, he told Sosabowski that if he didn’t like the idea, he would be relieved of his command. Yes, Horrocks was under pressure, but it may seem a little odd that Sosabowski was threatened with resignation. I’ll go into more detail as to why there was a distrust of the Polish commander in the next, and final episode of the series. But either way, on the night of the 24th, more assault boats arrived and 300 men, mostly Poles got into Oosterbeek - a lot were killed trying to make the crossing.
With the corridor cut further south, XXX Corps struggled to press on towards Oosterbeek. On the evening of the 23rd, 130th Brigade finally reached the Poles at Driel, making this the first substantial connection XXX Corps had with the forces fighting on the Rhine. They still fought the Germans at Elst and Bemmel and would take Opheusden by the 26th.
Even with a 300 man reinforcement, and the arrival (at last!) of Allied fighter bombers from the 23rd onwards, the situation in Oosterbeek during the last few days of the Operation remained bleak. Despite being assaulted by tanks, grenades, and a host of other weapons, including flamethrowers - specially requested by German commanders and ordered in by Model himself - somehow 1st Airborne continued to hold on. It was joked at the time that the British used German weapons - since their ammunition had run out - and the Germans used British weapons, since their own logistics were strained and they were getting resupplied by the Allies via the drop zones. And the Germans still didn’t have enough troops to deliver a decisive blow on the Cauldron.
Worse, the troops that the Germans did have were suffering high casualties as they tried to storm each of the British strong points, since the defence of Oosterbeek was now a series of strong points rather than a continuous line. German commanders were angry that their troops were losing as many tanks as they were. The reason for the losses was because the German infantry weren’t trained and were few in number, and because there was a shortage of radios amongst the Germans. British AT tank guns and infantry managed to knock out numerous German vehicles, including Sturmgeschutz Self-Propelled guns and even some Panther tanks. Surprisingly, the German Konigstiger - or King Tiger tanks - weren’t that effective at Oosterbeek due to the narrow terrain which took off their tracks and prevented their turrets from turning. This was of little comfort to the British, who didn’t realise that the Germans were reorganising their lines. The Germans pulled in all their veterans from the various kampfgruppen that surrounded the British pocket, and put them on the Eastern side.
It was hoped that this reorganisation would enable the Germans to pierce the British perimeter and bring about the end of British resistance.
An attack was mounted in the afternoon of the 25th, and actually penetrated the British lines. Somehow the British managed to stop the Germans, who’s attack lost momentum quickly, due to fierce resistance and a huge amount of British artillery. The British called in artillery and (finally) airstrikes on the Germans to stall the attacks, whilst the Germans used Nebelwerfers - rocket artillery to pound the British into submission. A lot of British prisoners taken in these critical days were shell shocked by these strikes. Water and medical supplies were all but gone, and truces had to be called to evacuate the wounded to German hospitals in Arnhem. Thousands of British troops would end up as prisoners of war for this reason, perhaps as many as 6000 at the end of the battle.
Having hung on for nine days, the Paras were finished. On the evening of the 25th, a plan to withdraw across the Rhine was put in place and the paratroopers crossed the Rhine in small boats throughout the night, under the cover of artillery fire. By the early morning of the 26th, the evacuation was over and the survivors of 1st Airborne met at Driel. Just 1,741 of 1st Airborne had made it to Allied lines. The rest of the 10,000 that had dropped into the Arnhem area were either killed, wounded and/or captured. In contrast, the Germans had lost around 3,000 men in the Arnhem sector.
Another German attack went in on the 26th… and found no resistance. The Germans were surprised. All they found were dead bodies and weapons. The British had gone! Yes, the field hospitals were full, but it dawned on them that the British had withdrawn overnight. They had succeeded. They’d defeated the British. They’d won.
And thus ended Operation Market Garden. It was day 10 now after the battle had begun and at best you could probably call it a draw, but really it was a defeat for the Allies. The British had failed to cross the Rhine, their ultimate objective, and although the Allied troops had fought heroically throughout the battle, they’d tried to go a Bridge Too Far. Total losses for both sides vary, depending on which source you use. It’s safe to assume that German losses were somewhere around six to nine thousand men, although the actual number may never be known. Allied losses may be as high as 17,000, with around half of them, over 8,000, being from 1st Airborne alone.
But this series isn’t over yet. We have one more main episode to go. And it’s a biggy. The question we’re going to ask, and I’ll ask you guys now is, who was to blame for the failure of Operation Market Garden? Comment below and let me know.
We’ve seen what happened. We’ve watched the battle unfold. Now we get to decide who should take the blame for this defeat. We will find out next time. And there will also be additional supplementary episodes in the near future covering things I couldn’t cover in the main narrative so stay tuned. Thanks for watching, thanks for subscribing, bye for now.
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The Germans were taken completely by surprise by the Polish landing! They feared the worst - that the Poles would get across the Rhine, or perhaps even swing around their rear and capture the southern end of the Arnhem bridge! This would cut off 9th SS’s retreat as XXX Corps would crush them from the front. This was a fantasy because a thousand or so paratroopers weren’t capable of doing that. But nonetheless, the Germans reacted quickly, sending all available reserves to form a blocking line or “Sperrverband”, named after its commander, Harzer. Sperrverband Harzer consisted of 5 Battalions, perhaps as many as 2,400 men, and now blocked the route to Arnhem. This force engaged the 1000 or so Poles in the Driel area as the Poles formed an all round defense, waiting for XXX Corps to link up with them.
The impact of the Polish drop is significant. Whilst they couldn’t get across the Rhine, because the Ferry was lost, they did draw off all German reserves in the area. According to Robert J. Kershaw in his book, ‘It Never Snows In September’, the Germans had been planning to destroy the British at Oosterbeek in a planned attack on the 22nd. But now had to take all their reserves to counter the Polish drop. If this is true, the Polish saved 1st Airborne from complete annihilation.
The Polish drop would also give the Allies a last chance to cross the Rhine. XXX Corps sent reconnaissance units forwards into the area known as “The Island”. In this area, the main road was raised up above the surrounding fields, themselves split, not by hedges, but by ditches and streams. Basically, British tanks advancing this way would be exposed to anything the Germans could fire at them, with little chance of retaliation. So, even though XXX Corps resumed its attack towards Arnhem at 13:30, it soon got bogged down in the fighting. Five leading tanks were hit and set on fire by Panther and 88mm guns and the attack ground to a halt.
With the tanks unable to proceed, it was decided that infantry should lead the attack. And the 43rd Infantry Division was picked for this role. Unfortunately, the 43rd Infantry Division was stuck at Nijmegen, and the traffic up the one road, now referred to by the Americans as [Hell’s Highway] was awful. So the attack was delayed. The Germans were also sending a steady stream of reinforcements into the Island area, meaning there was little chance of reaching either 1st Airborne or the Poles this day.
The 22nd of September was a Friday, and it was now Day 6 of Operation Market Garden.
Like the day before, there was still hope that XXX Corps could reach the paratroopers at Oosterbeek and create some sort of victory. That chance was lost today as Kampfgruppe Walther launched a counterattack, not in the north at the Island, but at Veghel against the 101st. They aimed to cut the corridor, as they had tried to do at Son a few days earlier. Again it was the Panther tanks of Panzer Brigade 107 that headed the attack. This time though, it was supported by Grenadiers, flak batteries, artillery, Fallschirmjaeger, a Tank Destroyer Battalion, and more. They would attack the right flank of the road - which was now nicknamed ‘Hell’s Highway’ by the Allies. On the left side of the road, another formation - Kampfgruppe Huber - also went in on the attack. This had infantry, supported by artillery, AntiTank guns and even four Jagdpanther tank destroyers. This force would attack at Schijndel but aimed at Veghel. Despite a shortage of artillery shells, this was a concerted attack and proved devastating for the 101st and the British too.
Shortly after 09:00, the German attack went in. Artillery pounded the American positions and the tanks of Kampfgruppe Walther moved off ahead of the other infantry units. Veghel was reached at around 11:00 with Panther tanks and Panzer Grenadiers cutting Hell’s Highway to the north. They then turned south to Veghel where a battle erupted with the American 501st Regiment. On the other side of the road, Kampfgruppe Huber got into the outskirts of Schijndel, where they were able to fire at the Veghel canal bridge. The 506th Regiment, supported by British tanks, were able to push them back. Equally, the 501st, supported by British tanks and an unending artillery barrage, halted Kampfgruppe Walther. The Germans found themselves unable to continue the attack as night fell, but they had cut the corridor, and this meant that XXX Corps’ supplies and reinforcements wouldn’t get through to the North.
And the British desperately needed infantry reinforcements in the north. Some elements, including tanks, of 43rd Division managed to reach the Polish Independent Brigade at Driel sometime in the evening. But the Island still caused problems and an attack could not be made successfully towards Arnhem. Worse, tank units at Nijmegen that could be used to advance north, were sent south to deal with the Veghel cut. Clearly, the British attack was losing steam.
Lieutenant Colonel Charles MacKenzie - the staff officer who’d told Hicks he was in charge of 1st Airborne when Urquhart was missing - crossed the Rhine in a rowing boat and spoke to Polish commander Sosabowski. He impressed upon Sosabowski the desperate situation in the Oosterbeek Cauldron, and said that even a handful of reinforcements could make all the difference. That night, 60 men from Sosabowski’s Brigade got across the river and reinforced the Oosterbeek perimeter.
But 60 Polish paratroopers weren’t enough to change the course of the battle. Harzer had decided that the British in the Oosterbeek pocket would be pounded into submission by mortars and Nebelwerfers, rather than all out attacks. There were a few reasons behind this change of tactics. One was that a good portion of the German reinforcements had moved south to block the Polish landing and the British tanks. Essentially, the British pocket at Oosterbeek was now merely a distraction from the main event further south. Another reason was that the Germans left at Oosterbeek were mostly untrained conscripts, backed by only a few veteran kampfgruppen. These troops would not be capable of mounting the assaults needed to root the British out of their strong points. Attacks were still carried out, but it wasn’t the all-out storming of positions that would overwhelm the Paras from all sides kind of attack the British were expecting. As a result, the British pocket remained virtually unchanged and the Paras continued to hold.
So, the battle had shifted in the last couple of days. Frost’s men fought on until the very end. The Poles had landed, causing the Germans to move reinforcements south, perhaps saving 1st Airborne from annihilation. XXX Corps had problems linking up with the Poles, especially since Hell’s Highway had been cut near Veghel. And with the loss of the Heveadorp Ferry, it now seemed unlikely that the Allies could still achieve a victory.
If you were Urquhart, and you had the choice of choosing the Polish landing zone, where would you drop them? Would you choose Driel? Would you land them south of Arnhem, or would you land them somewhere on the North side of the Rhine to support 1st Airborne? Let me know in the comments below. Thanks for watching, thanks for subscribing, bye for now.
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Episode 6 - Day 5 and 6 -
Total Victory was now out of the question. But the tanks had to get to Oosterbeek where 1st Airborne were besieged in a pocket - what the Germans called the “Hexenkessel” - or witches cauldron. Over the next two days, the British race north from Nijmegen to get to the paratroopers and the Germans race south from Arnhem to stop them. If the British get to Oosterbeek, and if they can get reinforcements across the river, there was still a chance they could claw their way to victory.
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Last time, we saw Frost’s perimeter shrink to a few houses, while Frost himself is taken prisoner. 1st Airborne was forced back into Oosterbeek to form some sort of defence. 3rd Battalion of the 504th heroically crossed the Waal and took the north side of Nijmegen bridge as tanks of XXX Corps crossed the span. German resistance continued in Nijmegen though for several more hours, preventing the British from striking north. And the 101st held against a second surprise attack from Panzer Brigade 107.
In this episode I’m going to cover two days, the 21st of September and the 22nd. Let’s start with the 21st, a Thursday, Day 5 of Operation Market Garden. At Arnhem bridge, the last gasps of 2nd Battalion could be heard as they held on in the hope of relief… but it was all in vein. Organised British resistance collapsed sometime in the morning of the 21st of September. Although it’s worth mentioning that some lone British paratroopers continued to fight on until the 23rd. Arnhem was now totally within German hands. The last radio message from the bridge, picked up by Germans and not by any Allied unit, read [Out of Ammunition. God Save the King.] Frost’s men were finally overwhelmed at Arnhem and the Germans had access to Arnhem bridge and the road south. With the loss of Arnhem Bridge, total victory for the Allies was now impossible, but they still had a chance to get to the British at Oosterbeek and get a bridge across the Rhine. At least, that is what Urquhart hoped.
Around 3,600 paratroopers held the newly formed perimeter at Oosterbeek. The important point to note at this time is that the Heveadorp ferry area was still within British hands. Unfortunately, the ferry itself had been sunk the day before, just in case it fell into German hands, but the area was the best place near Oosterbeek to maybe form a bailey bridge since there were roads close to the river. Holding onto this area was therefore the last chance for victory. It fell to a handful of men from 1st Border to keep Heveadorp in British hands.
At around 08:00, the Germans attacked from all sides of the Oosterbeek perimeter. They used assault guns and tanks to support their infantry assaults, but there was an unexpected stiffness to the British defences. Unlike in the previous days actions, the British had a lot of troops in a very small mostly wooded or urban area, and they were defending. This gave them an advantage they hadn’t had in the past. 9th SS, championed by units like Kampfgruppe Spindler, attacked from the east. German snipers did manage to infiltrate the British positions, since there weren’t enough British to form a solid defensive line. These snipers took their toll, but the British resisted strongly. They took out some of the German tanks, or forced them back with heavy AT fire. They even managed to capture a Sturmgeschütz assault gun from the Germans, but couldn’t figure out how to use it, so had to abandon it. However, 10th Battalion were decimated in the center during the day’s action with only a handful of men able to fall back. Despite this loss, the Germans maybe gained a couple hundred meters of ground the entire day. In the west, Von Tettau’s untrained troops also made little progress against the tight British defence, with British sniper fire now taking a heavy toll on the Germans. However the Heveadorp ferry area was captured by the Germans after a heavy fight, and with it, the last chance of Operation Market Garden succeeding.
British supplies were once again dropping behind enemy lines. The Paras set up all manner of signals on the ground to try and sway the RAF to drop supplies to them, but they failed. The RAF were now suffering heavy losses, resupplying their enemy, who were then using those supplies to fight the Paras who the supplies were meant to be for. But the good news for 1st Airborne was that, today, contact was finally made with XXX Corp. And XXX Corps had artillery, which the belligerent paratroopers called on to stall the Germans. Steel rain blunted several German attacks, and the Germans thought their artillery was firing short, so they tried firing flares to stop their own artillery firing. Nope, it was British artillery, and this would be a big reason for why the British would continue to hold out at Oosterbeek over the next few days. Like at Nijmegen, artillery was useful in preventing attacks from forming, and when the British paras saw an attack forming, they’d simply call in artillery to disrupt the German attacks.
More good news for 1st Airborne came in the afternoon. At 17:00 a new armada covered the skies. The Polish Independent Parachute Brigade descended from the heavens. Now, weather in England had delayed the Poles from setting off. They’d were originally meant to be dropped two days earlier, on Day 3 of the Operation, and they were supposed to drop near Arnhem. But the situation had changed dramatically since then, so Urquhart changed the plan at the last minute to drop the Poles north of Driel, which was south of the Rhine and south of the Oosterbeek Cauldron. Their task was to support 1st Airborne as best they could, and if possible, get men and supplies across the Rhine. It was also to guard the approaches to the river so XXX Corps could maybe attempt a crossing.
However, things went wrong for the Poles right from the start. A portion of the Brigade didn’t take off from England. And whilst the Allies may have had air superiority over most of Europe, they did not over this battlefield. You see, in previous months, the RAF and US Air Force had dominated the skies, disrupting German movements and logistics, and bombed German ground units at the request of Allied units. But because the US Air Force feared mixing fighters with transport planes, there were little to no air support available for the Allied units during Operation Market Garden. As a result, the German Luftwaffe was able to hunt down a portion of the American planes taking the Poles to their destination. General Urquhart was of the opinion after the war that the lack of air support was a deciding factor in this battle.
Once the Poles reached Driel and parachuted to their destination, they realised two things. One - only around a thousand men, perhaps less, of their entire Brigade had made it. And two - that the British at Oosterbeek had lost the area around the Heveadorp Ferry. This threw off the original plan to have the Poles support XXX Corps in crossing the Rhine. Their only hope now was to try and assist 1st Airborne as best they could, and maybe get troops across the river to them.
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Panzer Brigade 107 achieved complete surprise by attacking the exact same way they’d done the day before. You see, the Germans never attacked in the same place twice. It just wasn’t done. In theory, if you attacked the same place twice, the enemy will be prepared. That was why the Germans never did it, but that’s exactly why they did it this day, to throw the Americans off guard. And they did. It wasn’t long before they dominated the bailey bridge with fire once more. However, in the nick of time, 10 British tanks appeared and managed to destroy four more German tanks and turn the tide of the battle in their favour. Unable to take the bridge, Panzer Brigade 107 withdrew. It had once again been close to cutting the Allied corridor, but this wasn’t the only attack on the corridor this day.
406th Division which had attacked out of the Reichswald forest near Groesbeek two days ago was finally reinforced. Fallschirmjaeger, German paratroopers, perhaps a few hundred strong, joined the already weak 406th Division and now formed three Kampfgruppen. Kampfgruppe Becker with perhaps 800 men would strike Groesbeek on the Northern end of the battlefield and aim to take the Maas-Waal canal. Kampfgruppe Greschick with maybe 500 men, attacked Groesbeek’s center. And Kampfgruppe Hermann was positioned in the south and would hope to strike through Mook and cut off the bridges on the Maas-Waal canal.
Starting in the morning, by 11:00 the battle raged for the Groesbeek Heights. Beek, Wyler, and Mook fell quickly, and Kampfgruppe Greschick’s unit managed to take some of the outskirts of Groesbeek itself. But an American counterattack in the afternoon, supported by British tanks forced the Germans back from Mook and Groesbeek, and the attack in the north was halted. This was the first serious attack on the Groesbeek Heights so far. It was four days after the Operation had begun, and well after XXX Corps had arrived, but at least the 82nd had four days to prepare themselves for the fight.
It was only now, at the extreme north of the battlefield, that Urquhart came to the conclusion that he had to abandon the idea of relieving Frost at the Bridge. To use his own words… [...with the weak force now left, I could no more hope to reach Frost than reach Berlin.] Later in the same day he finally made contact with Frost over the radio. Urquhart told him he wasn’t certain [if it was a case of me coming for them or they coming for us.] And so with the British 1st Airborne Division abandoning all hope of getting the Frost’s beleaguered troops at Arnhem bridge, they instead had to look to their own defence. The previous days action had seen their attacking force in Arnhem decimated by the Germans. 1st Parachute Brigade no longer existed and the remnants of several Battalions fell back into Oosterbeek. The landing zones were overrun and supplies were dropping to the Germans rather than to themselves, and German tanks were pressing upon their lines. Urquhart decided the remaining units should fall back to positions immediately around Oosterbeek. He had to form a defense quickly before the remainder of the Division was wiped out.
Throughout the day, Urquhart tried to salvage what was left of the original Market Garden plan. If he could no longer get to Arnhem Bridge, he would hold Oosterbeek and hopefully keep a crossing point open for XXX Corps. It was a desperate plan, but it might just work. The casualty list for 1st Airborne was staggering. It was no longer a division but a few stragglers and small groups falling back to Oosterbeek. But if they could hold on to Oosterbeek, and the Heveadorp Ferry, a bailey bridge could be set up across the Rhine and victory could still be clawed from the jaws of defeat. With that in mind, he told Corps HQ to change the Polish drop zone to Driel, near to the southern end of the ferry. If the Polish held the southern end of the river, and the rest of 1st Airborne held the northern end, there was a chance XXX Corps could still cross the Rhine. It was a desperate plan, but a plan it was.
To the East, Kampfgruppe Spindler crossed the railway lines and reached the east of Oosterbeek. To the west, von Tettau’s Kampfgruppe pushed the British back from their drop zones and took Wolfheze. 4th Brigade of the British paras did manage to stall the attacks for a time, mauling part of Krafft’s attack, and even counter attacked, despite their orders saying to retreat. Hackett fought alongside his men, brandishing a German gun, trying desperately to get him men back towards Oosterbeek. During the confused fighting in the woods, there was no real front line as such, just groups of units moving around, ambushing and sniping at each other. Towards the evening, Hackett’s remnants fell back to Oosterbeek and recognisable lines were finally formed. Both sides took sizable losses in the day’s fighting, and this is perhaps the reason why von Tettau decided not to deliver a coup de grace and destroy the British pocket completely now as they retreated, which some historians think may have been possible. Either way, by the evening of the 20th, the British pocket was formed at Oosterbeek, and the fluid movement of the past few days ended. The siege had begun.
This was 1st Airborne’s disposition at the end of the Day, 20th September 1944. 10th and 156 Battalions, who had fought their way back into Oosterbeek from the West during the day were now guarding the Eastern side of Oosterbeek that evening. This was because 1st, 3rd and 11th Battalions were so badly mauled, they were merely scraps of the units they once were. Lieutenant-Colonel Thompson took command of this force, which was nicknamed the Thompson Force. But Thompson was later wounded and from the 21st onwards (tomorrow), Major Lonsdale took command of this battlegroup, which for the sake of simplicity we will now refer to as the Lonsdale Force. 21st Independent Parachute Company, together with the 7th Battalion King’s Own Scottish Borderers, held the Northern end of Oosterbeek around Hotel Dreyeroord, a building soon nicknamed as the White House. 9th Airborne Field Company and 1st Border held the Western side of Oosterbeek. Inside this ring were Glider pilots who fought alongside the troops, the Royal Artillery, which was located towards the southern end of the pocket, and Divisional Headquarters which was located at the Hartenstein Hotel.
Little more than three thousand six hundred men remained of 1st Airborne Division, and supplies of all kinds were running low. But Urquhart had successfully created a defence around Oosterbeek, even though it wasn’t a complete ring and was more groups of soldiers dug in at strong points.
Frost’s position was now perilous. Movement was almost impossible and the few buildings they had left on the western side of the Arnhem bridge ramp were surrounded. Truces allowed the defenders to evacuate their wounded, which included their leader, Frost himself. They’d run out of everything, food, water and ammunition. In fact, the Germans were also low on ammunition, with many of them resorting to using captured British rifles and Sten guns, as their own logistics struggled to keep up. The shortcomings of German supply were alleviated by the Allied resupply drops which, as we mentioned, were falling into German hands. The Germans blasted the British houses at the Bridge at point blank range. They had Tiger tanks at hand, including the latest shipment of Konigstiger, or King Tiger tanks. The lightly armed paratroopers had no effective countermeasures against these heavy German tanks. Luckily, rubble prevented German vehicles from maneuvering with ease. But this only slowed the inevitable. There were only a few buildings left now, and many of them were on fire.
So at 19:10, the British and Americans took the Nijmegen bridge. But it would take all night to clear Nijmegen so that they could continue their northern attack. As this day comes to an end, we see the end of two sieges. Arnhem bridge, and Nijmegen. Elements of 2 Para continued to hold, just, but they had no influence now over the bridge itself. For both sides it was now a race to engage each other in the area between Nijmegen and Arnhem. An area known as The Island. We’ll find out how that race goes tomorrow.
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Episode 5 - Day 4 - Two Last Stands
The Mad Colonel. That’s what the Germans nicknamed John Frost who still clung on to a handful of buildings at Arnhem bridge. Frost’s men fought desperately with their ammunition running out and the houses collapsing and burning around them. Where was XXX Corps? Where were the tanks? They were 8 miles to the south fighting against the 10th SS Panzer Division, who were clinging on to the bridge at Nijmegen. Both Frost and 10th SS Panzer would fight two mirrored last stands as the outcome of Operation Market Garden hung in the balance. Who would fall first?
Intro graphic.
Yesterday was truly a dark and fateful day. The British forces trying to get to Frost’s men at Arnhem were almost wiped out having been caught in a crossfire. The rest of 1st Airborne were pushed off their landing zones as General Urquhart, now back in charge of the Division, tried to form a coherent defence. XXX Corps had reached Nijmegen making up for lost time, but were stopped as the 82nd had failed to take Nijmegen bridge. The Germans at Nijmegen were now under siege, but held on, despite Allied attempts to break through. The 101st had helped build a bailey bridge at Son in the morning but fought to hold it in the evening against Panther tanks of Panzer Brigade 107.
It was now the 20th of September, a Wednesday. Day 4 of Operation Market Garden. The tanks should have reached Arnhem yesterday, but they hadn’t. XXX Corps was still 8 miles from Arnhem, and Nijmegen bridge was still in German hands. But if they could break through now, there was a chance of victory, even at this late stage. 10th SS Panzer Division held onto Nijmegen and the bridge with perhaps 500 men, backed by assault guns, 88mm guns, mortars and artillery. When the British set up for an attack, artillery rained down on them and stopped them in their tracks, just like the day before. Attempt after attempt was made to smash the German defenders, but Kampfgruppe Henke and Euling, under the command of Kampfgruppe Reinhold, fought them off.
The stiffness of the German defence in Nijmegen throughout the day didn’t seem to be weakening. So the Allies decided that only desperate action would save the day. At 15:00 in the afternoon, Shermans blasted the opposite side of the Waal as Major Cook’s 3rd Battalion paddled in boats across the river. This was perhaps one of the most heroic and daring acts in World War 2, as American paratroopers stormed across a river in boats, assaulted a river bank like marines… which they weren’t trained for… to take the Nijmegen bridge from the other side. Unbelievably, under a hail of rifle, machine gun and mortar fire, half the boats made it to the North bank. As the boats turned back to pick up the next wave of troops, the American paratroopers overwhelmed the old men and young boys who’d been killing them moments before. This was a decisive tactical victory for the Allies which unhinged the German defence completely.
The Germans had nothing left. There were so few units to form a defensive line that the Americans, supported by British sappers, were able to secure their beachhead and press on towards the northern end of Nijmegen bridge. Yes, you don’t hear that often, but the American paratroopers were accompanied by British sappers… the crossing was a joint effort. They managed to get to the Northern end of the Nijmegen Bridge, and as they did, four sherman tanks from the British Grenadier Guards attacked from the south. The tanks moved across the span of the bridge, killing the Germans in the girders. Just to point out another myth of this battle, the Germans in the girders were most likely engineers, not snipers as often described. They were perhaps trying to rig the bridge to blow, but nobody’s quite sure, but after the war, Harmel was convinced there weren’t snipers on the bridge. Either way, it was at this point that SS Colonel Harmel decided to blow the road bridge. His orders from Field Marshal Model were to keep the Road bridge intact, so Germany could launch counter.attacks in the future. This was an unrealistic eventuality since Germany had little offensive capability left, and Harmel understood that if he blew the bridge now, it would prevent the Allies from getting to Arnhem. As the British Sherman tanks crossed the bridge, he ordered the bridge be blown, but by some miracle, the explosives failed to go off.
Lucky though the British were that the bridge was now in their hands, they were unable to advance. The four tanks they had on the other side of the Waal were alone. The few American paratroopers they had with them weren’t willing or able to advance with them. It’s often been said that an American paratrooper became angry at the British tankers for not advancing with them to Arnhem. This is fiction. Another myth of the battle made up after the event. In fact, the American paratroopers may have even left the tanks at the bridge to go fight Germans elsewhere. What is certain, is that the handful of American paratroopers who’d linked up with the tanks were too few in number to go on and in any event were in no position to take orders from the British. Their orders were to hold the other side of the bridge and it was down to the British to advance. Unfortunately without infantry support, the British tanks would be unable to advance. So where were the British infantry?
XXX Corps has often been accused of being too slow after the capture of Nijmegen bridge. But the reality was that the British infantry and tanks were still fighting against the Germans who held on at Nijmegen. They couldn’t just leave a good portion of 10th SS Panzer Division there sitting in their rear, they had to fight on. Some of the German defenders, seeing the successful amphibious assault, decided to flee across the railway bridge, with around 250 dying on the bridge itself. The Germans lost control of the Nijmegen railway bridge but fighting continued in the city. Artillery fire rained down on the British, preventing them from overwhelming the last pockets of resistance. Holding on for a few more hours, the Germans finally realised their position was hopeless. Some once again tried to flee across the bridges, now in enemy hands. Others, such as the survivors of Kampfgruppe Euling, who’d held onto Hunner park, managed to slip under the Nijmegen road bridge and escape to the east. The British wouldn’t clear the last elements of resistance from Nijmegen until the early hours of the next day. It wasn’t until Nijmegen was secure that the British infantry and the rest of XXX Corps could have continued their advance to Arnhem.
So why was it that at the time, and after the war, XXX Corps was accused of being so slow? Why were they accused of drinking tea on the Northern end of Nijmegen Bridge whilst their comrades at Arnhem were left to bleed? We’ll come back to that question in the last episode of this series, but I’d love to hear your opinions in the comments below.
As the fighting came to ahead in Nijmegen, things further to the south weren’t easy either. As the morning mist cleared at Son, the Americans guarding the bailey bridge that had been built on the previous night could be forgiven for thinking they’d done their part. The day before, they’d stopped a German counter-attack which had nearly got to the bridge, and could be satisfied that they’d completely secured the line. They were wrong.
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But the difference between the Germans at Nijmegen and Frost at Arnhem was was 2nd Battalion was potentially about to get reinforced from the West. 1st, 3rd, 4th and 11th Battalions, supported by the South Staffords and elements of 2nd Battalion who hadn’t made it to the bridge now attempted to break through to Frost. Dobie’s 1st Battalion and half the South Staffords went forwards first, supported by 3rd Battalion who went in beside them. They cleared a few light defenses where the Germans had had their main line the day before. But then everything went wrong. The Germans of Kampfgruppe Spindler had pulled back slightly from the previous day’s positions - which did have the benefit of allowing Urquhart to escape his prison and make his way back to Divisional HQ - but it also meant the Germans now outflanked the British on all sides. And this wasn’t eyes and ears battalions, this was the 9th SS Panzer Division, armed with tanks, artillery and self-propelled guns. Some occupied the route ahead, others occupied the ridge to the north, and more were positioned across the river in the brickworks to the south. The lightly armed British paratroopers, backed up by little artillery, no air support or tanks and exhausted on their third day of fighting, were hopelessly caught in a crossfire. The 1st and 3rd Battalion were pinned down by German fire and by 06:30, after only two hours, the attack was over. Those that survived were either wounded or ran out of ammunition and were forced to surrender in the next hour or so. The 140 men of 3rd Battalion had been more or less wiped out. 1st Battalion and the first half of the South Staffords suffered much the same fate.
The second half of the South Staffords now went in, but found themselves facing German tanks and self propelled guns near the museum. Pinned down and with no anti-tank guns, they had to rely on PIATs to try take out the tanks, but by 11:30 they’d also run out of PIAT anti-tank rounds. The Germans now counter-attacked and overwhelmed the South Staffords, who were forced to pull back through 11th Battalion’s positions.
11th Battalion, commanded by Lea, had been ordered by Urquhart to wait. He wasn’t happy that attacks were going in piecemeal. As the South Staffords fell back, 11th Battalion was ordered to take the high ground north of the railway line, hopefully so they could mount a fresh attack later. But this took time to prepare, and as they were setting up, the Germans attacked. Mortars rained down on them and tanks appeared. The 11th was in the open preparing to advance. Caught off guard by the Germans and in a hopeless situation, the Battalion basically evaporated. Lea was taken prisoner and maybe 150 men got away, the rest were either killed or taken prisoner.
The last attempt to break through to Frost at the bridge had failed with huge losses to the British. 1st Brigade had been torn to pieces and now, in the early afternoon, the situation at Divisional HQ in Oosterbeek looked bleak. The Germans were attacking into Oosterbeek from the East and the landing zones could no longer be held. This was the day that the first of the RAF resupply drops fell into enemy hands. 1st Airborne did receive some reinforcements from a Polish Glider unit landing at Landing Zone “L”. Unfortunately, this went disastrously wrong for the Polish as they landed on top of 10 Para Battalion as they retreated south near Wolfheze. The Polish were quite-literally shot out of the sky and this didn’t help 10 Para’s retreat. Chaos and confusion reigned, and Krafft was able to push the British 10th and 156 Battalions (both now down to around 250 men each) and the surviving Poles beyond the railway line. Urquhart desperately tried to organise a defence as the light faded. He would later refer to the 19th as “a dark and fateful day”. At Arnhem, everything was going wrong.
Remember that bailey bridge at Son? You know, the one built overnight? It had been incredibly important in the days events, allowing British tanks to roll on to Nijmegen. At 17:15 as the American paratroopers sat in their positions in and around Son watching British trucks drive across the bridge... the Son church tower exploded. Falling debris startled the Americans as more explosions erupted from the schoolhouse. General Taylor came out the schoolhouse to see enemy infantry and Panther tanks approaching from the south. Panzer Brigade 107 had arrived.
General Student had brought Panzer Brigade 107 up from Helmond and it was now just yards from the newly built bailey bridge at Son. A British truck was hit as it crossed the bridge. It exploded and sent flames over the span and into the canal. The Americans reacted to the attack as best they could and even managed to destroy two Panthers. One was knocked out in sight of the bailey bridge as you can see here. Fighting continued as darkness fell, and only after the attack bogged down did Panzer Brigade 107 withdraw. Two tanks had been knocked out, but they had almost succeeded in severing the supply line to the rest of XXX Corps… and they weren’t defeated yet.
If we compare the situation at the beginning of day 3 to the end of day 3, things had changed. XXX Corps wasn’t at Arnhem as expected, instead they were fighting a house-to-house battle for the city and bridge at Nijmegen. The 101st at Son had built a bailey bridge in the morning and only just managed to prevent it from falling into German hands in the evening. And the last attempt to get to Frost had failed. Now the British around Oosterbeek were in a desperate state as the Germans closed in on all sides.
Frost still clung onto Arnhem bridge though. There was still a chance of victory... for both sides. Everything was now at stake. Who would fall first, the British at Arnhem or the Germans at Nijmegen? Tomorrow would be the last chance to get to Frost at Arnhem, and it would require a lot more fight and a daring feat of bravery from the soldiers of the 82nd Airborne.
The 19th was truly a dark and fateful day. A turning point. But do you think victory could still have been achieved at this point? Or was it already too late? And guys, if you have any questions about this battle, comment below and I’ll get back to you as soon as I can. Thanks for watching, thanks for subscribing, bye for now.
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Episode 4 - Day 3 - “A Dark and Fateful Day” - Urquhart
If everything goes to plan, you’ll be relieved in two days. If not two, then three days. Well, this was the day that British tanks were meant to be rolling over Arnhem bridge. And when we left yesterday, almost everything seemed to be going great for Operation Market Garden. Every bridge along the route except one was in Allied hands, and although the British tanks were still fifty miles to the south at Son, by the morning of Day 3 the bailey bridge was finished. The road ahead looked clear. The question is, would they make it?
Intro graphic
Yesterday we saw stalled attempts made by 1st Airborne to get to Frosts troops at the bridge, whilst Frost himself and 2nd Battalion continued to hold on. Ammunition and food supplies were running low, so relief was desperately needed now. The 82nd had destroyed the German attack from the Reichswald, for only a handful of losses, but only made token attempts to take the Nijmegen bridge. Nijmegen was now a German fortress. The 101st continued to fight on all fronts, especially near Best, whilst building a bailey bridge at Son, since XXX Corps had finally arrived.
The 19th of September was a Tuesday. It’s Day 3 of Operation Market Garden. The good news was that XXX Corps and the 101st had finished constructing the bailey bridge at Son and were able to advance. Up to this point, XXX Corps had gone 18 miles from their initial starting positions. This may seem slow, and it was, but they were about to make up for it. The tanks reached Veghel by half 7 in the morning, and by half eight, they’d covered another 14 miles, reaching the 82nd at Grave. In two hours, they’d advanced further than they’d gone in the previous two days, around 24 miles. 42 hours after starting the Operation they were now at Nijmegen and only about 8 miles from the British at Arnhem. There was a good chance that they’d reach the British in time. They still had an entire day left to go the final 8 miles to Arnhem. 8 miles.
Except that the 82nd Airborne still hadn’t taken Nijmegen bridge… the only bridge not taken intact or not on the first day, and hadn’t been in Allied hands at all. Nijmegen bridge was now guarded by a lot of SS infantry, supported by self-propelled guns, 88mm guns, and artillery, and they’d had plenty of time, unopposed by the 82nd, to fortify Nijmegen city.
For the past two days, most of the 82nd Airborne had sat on the Groesbeek Heights. There had been no attacks on Groesbeek on the first day. On the second day, a paper German “division” had been repulsed without too much trouble. And the Germans didn’t mount any serious attacks on the Heights the entire third day either. The American units dug in at Groesbeek along with Gavin and Browning had no impact on what was now becoming a hard fought house-to-house brawl for the city of Nijmegen and the southern end of the Nijmegen bridge. As British tanks and infantry moved towards Hunner park, they came into the sights of the German 88mm guns. Several tanks brewed up and the fighting began, and would rage on for hours, with little ground gained this day. Nijmegen was still in German hands.
The Germans had two Kampfgruppen in the city under the overall control of Kampfgruppe Reinhold which was located at Lent, just north of Nijmegen. One, Kampfgruppe Euling, held Hunner Park and the Nijmegen Road Bridge, and the other, Kampfgruppe Henke, guarded the Nijmegen Rail Bridge. Euling only had around 100 men at his disposal backed by four assault guns. But they were veteran SS soldiers, supported by a much larger contingent of artillery than normal. SS-Lieutenant-Colonel Zonnenstahl had four oversized batteries at his disposal. Coupled with a unique way of delivering that artillery… by putting boxes on a map and naming or numbering them so it was easier for forces on the ground to call for artillery support… Zonnenstahl was able to bring down copious amounts of fire to stall Allied assaults. Harmel attributed the successful defence of Nijmegen to this artillery support, which allowed, over the course of the battle, the small force of SS troops to maintain their positions against a much larger attacking force. Nijmegen wouldn’t fall into Allied hands this day.
But it’s ok, Frost was holding the bridge at Arnhem. Just. There were now two German Kampfgruppen surrounding him and they attacked on all sides. Kampfgruppe Brinkmann continued to attack from the East and Kampfgruppe Knaust, a heavier battlegroup, now attacked from the North. At the beginning of the day, 2 Para’s perimeter still consisted of 10 out of the original 18 houses they’d occupied on Day 1. But now, the Germans were receiving a steady stream of reinforcements. 88mm guns were brought up to pound the buildings, and two Tiger tanks managed to get through the wreck of vehicles on the bridge and cross from the southern side of the Rhine. Artillery fire from across the river, including Nebelwerfers, hammered the British positions. The battle was now fully in the German’s favour as more assault guns and Mark III and Mark IV tanks rolled from the East. 2 Para was being blasted out from its positions, one strong point at a time. But the Germans didn’t have it all their own way. Rubble blocked the streets, making it difficult for tanks to move up, and a few vehicles and tanks were knocked out in the fighting. The Paras were down to scraps of ammunition, yet they continued to resist. They did get some artillery support from 1st Airborne, which did result in the Germans turning their guns on the church spires thinking artillery spotters were in them, but this wasn’t the case. According to Urquhart, [Frost and Gough discussed the likelihood of Gough and his Recce boys scalding across the Bridge at last light to try and force a link with XXX Corps.] You know it’s desperate when the forces in need of relief are actually considering aiding the relieving forces. The idea was dropped, but the resistance continued, despite the fact that Frost had to order his men to stop sniping the Germans to conserve the little ammunition they had left. The British could now found it difficult move between the buildings as German machine guns would open up in the spaces between them. German infantry had to assault the British houses and literally drag the Paras out of their positions. It seemed a hopeless situation for the British, but they fought on, hoping that reinforcements would come from either 1st Airborne, or from the south.
It’s worth noting that as long as 2nd Battalion continued to hold out in Arnhem, the Germans would have a difficult time reinforcing the 10th SS Panzer Division at Nijmegen. The Germans were relying on the Pannerden Canal to get their troops across the Rhine, but this was slow. What this meant was that the Germans at Nijmegen would receive no reinforcements until 2nd Battalion were defeated, and 2nd Battalion wouldn’t receive reinforcements until the Germans at Nijmegen were defeated too. Effectively, there were two sieges going on at the same time, and whichever cracked first would decide the fate of the entire battle. If German resistance collapsed at Nijmegen, the British would get to Frost and be over the Rhine. If Frost is defeated, German reinforcements would stream into Nijmegen and 1st Airborne would be doomed. There was still a chance for both sides to claim victory.
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So half the South Staffords went to Arnhem in the morning, taking a similar route as 1st Battalion and managed to catch up to 1st Battalion later in the day. And when the second lift did arrive, Brigadier Hicks informed his (technically) superior in rank Brigadier Hackett, that his 11th Battalion was being taken from him and sent off to reinforce the Arnhem relief attempt. The result : 11th Battalion sat for at least two hours - but perhaps longer - outside the Hartenstein Hotel as the two Brigadiers argued over how 11th Battalion should best be deployed. Hackett who wasn’t exactly pleased that his inferior was in charge of the Division, thought that the situation was at Arnhem was “untidy” and had not been informed until now that his own troops were being taken from him. Ultimately, 11th Battalion commanded by Lieutenant-Colonel George Lea, and the second half of the South Staffords managed to reach the west end of Arnhem by the closing hours of day 2.
So the situation at Arnhem wasn’t great, but the good news was that a good portion of British paras were in the same area and about to launch an attack that would hopefully relieve Frost at the Bridge. That attack though would go in tomorrow.
Further to the south, the 101st were now battling against several German units. The previous day had seen only minor skirmishes, but now, Student was able to pull in new units and start counter-attacking. Student, as you may remember, was the leader of the German paratroopers, the Fallschirmjager, and quote “I knew more than anybody else that an airborne landing is at its weakest in the first few hours, and must be sorted out quickly and determinedly.” He therefore threw units at the 101st, even though most were of poor quality, simply because he wanted to hit the Americans early. At this point, his men were trainee Fallschirmjaeger and police units, but he knew that the 15th Army was arriving from across the Scheldt. Starting on the evening of the first day, but really got going on the 18th, Kampfgruppe Rink, the 59th Infantry Division, and the Fallschirmjaeger Battalion Ewald, all struck against the elite American paratroopers. Luckily for the Allies, the attacks went in piecemeal and were therefore beaten back, having little impact overall on this day.
But, Student was able to start pulling in the 107th Panzer Brigade from Helmond. This was an entirely different kettle of fish. Armed with deadly Panther medium tanks and Panzergrenadier infantry, this force could overcome the lightly armed American paratroopers. However, it could only move by night for fear of Allied air attack, so Student would have to wait until tomorrow - Day 3 - to use them.
In the middle at Nijmegen, the 82nd successfully held the Groesbeek Heights overnight against… no German attacks. But on the morning of the 18th the Germans sent in the 406th Division to take the Heights. Except the day before, this division was a division only on paper. It consisted of a HQ unit and a few training units. By the 18th, General Scherbening had cobbled together some inexperienced Luftwaffe, eyes and ears and artillery units and called it a “Division”. In reality it was was little more than four Battalions in strength, and may have been weaker than that. What is certain, is that they had few heavy weapons and many of the soldiers had no practical infantry training at all. Early on the 18th, this force attacked the elite American paratroopers dug in on the Groesbeek Heights, and somehow managed to take some of the drop zones, killing... wait for it... 11 Americans and wounding some more. But at 1 o’clock, the second wave of American paratroopers dropped from the skies and coupled with an attack by the paratroopers already on the ground, the German units were routed from the field, with the loss of a 1000 men killed or captured. This was the only serious attack on Groesbeek in the first few days of the Operation and it had ended in disaster for the Germans.
A little to the North, a German engineer battalion of the 10th SS was now running a ferry across the Pannerden canal. Progress was slow, but units were steadily getting across and marching to Nijmegen. Kampfgruppe Henke occupied positions in and around Hunnerpark, and was now being reinforced by half tracks and more infantry who came across the Waal on dinghies, rather than face fire if they tried to cross the bridge. German forces found themselves winning, as Gavin had pulled back some of the paratroopers to help out at Groesbeek. There was now a lull in the fighting! The Germans gathered more forces and Kampfgruppe Reinhold took up Henke’s old positions as Kampfgruppe Henke now moved to secure the nearby railway bridge, which at this point, hadn’t seen any action at all. Reinhold dug trenches, almost completely unopposed by the 82nd, 88mm guns were positioned across the river and armoured vehicles moved into the city. Mines were laid, buildings that were in the way of their defensive plans were demolished. The center of Nijmegen was now fully in German hands and they had the entire day to fortify it.
It’s worth noting at this point that as Day 2 comes to a close, the situation across most of the battlefield is stable and in Allied control. XXX Corps had reached the 101st and would soon have the bailey bridge up and running. The 82nd had successfully held the Groesbeek Heights against a German division that hadn’t existed the day before and barely existed even now. And at Arnhem, though the British hadn’t got many troops to the Bridge, Frosts men were dug in and potentially, could be reinforced by the large force of British paras who were only 800 yards from them.
And yet there was one vital piece of the puzzle that needed to be grasped. Nijmegen, the only bridge on Day 2 that still hadn’t been secure at any point so far. But Nijmegen city was now a fortress, garrisoned by an ever growing number of elite German SS Panzergrenadiers. 82nd Airborne had failed to take this crucial objective and as Day 2 comes to a close and even after additional reinforcements to the 82nd, no effort was being made to correct this issue. The Germans at Nijmegen now blocked the road to Arnhem. Think about it: If the Allies don’t take Nijmegen Bridge soon, 1st Airborne would be isolated and potentially crushed. Without Nijmegen, there could be no Arnhem, and the whole Operation, would be doomed.
If the 82nd had taken Nijmegen and the bridge there rather than concentrating on taking the Groesbeek Heights, how would things have played out? Would it have been better or worse than the situation we have now? I’d love to hear your thoughts in the comments below. Thanks for watching, thanks for subscribing, bye for now.
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Episode 3 - Day 2 - A Bridge Too Few
At 09:00 hours on Monday the 18th September 1944, SS Captain Viktor Graebner, commander of the 9th SS Reconnaissance Battalion, drives his force across Arnhem Road Bridge from the south. Perhaps thinking he could surprise and shock the British paras into surrender, his half tracks and puma armoured cars rumbled into view of 2 Para’s positions. Graebner’s newly earned Knights Cross reminded him that such tactics had worked before, but sadly, wouldn’t work this time.
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Yesterday, we saw how the initial landings had gone smoothly, but then several things had gone wrong. Frost’s men had failed to take the Arnhem Rail bridge but had reached the Arnhem Road Bridge whilst the rest of the Division floundered around Oosterbeek. The 82nd had taken most of the bridges except the vital Nijmegen Bridge, and were busy pounding the Reichswald. The 101st had taken most of their objectives except for the bridges at Best and Son, both of which were destroyed. But they held the area around Son and could put a bailey bridge across the canal once XXX Corps had arrived. And XXX Corps had fought hard to break through the German crust, which had been thicker than imagined. They still hadn’t reached Eindhoven by days end and they were now behind schedule.
But Day 2 was now upon them, and it started with a bang as Graebner’s reconnaissance battalion headed north across the Arnhem Road bridge. He’d left some Self-Propelled guns at Nijmegen to help defend there and raced north to Arnhem, thinking only a handful of British paras held the north end of the bridge. He believed a quick attack across the bridge could dislodge the British from their positions. Remember, no one knew how many British there were, and Graebner thought he was facing a force smaller than his. Not true. His battalion, consisting of half-tracks, armoured cars and trucks carrying infantry, drives across the bridge. Some of Graebner’s vehicles actually make it all the way across. Things look good, until one vehicle strikes a British anti-tank mine, and all hell breaks loose. Concentrated rifle and machine gun fire from both flanks riddled the open half tracks, killing crew and passengers alike. Mortar fire rained down on the Germans, and grenades were lobbed into the open hatches of the armoured cars. Chaos and confusion disrupted the attack, and Graebner was killed. More vehicles tried in vain to continue to advance, feeding the defeat, and it wasn’t until midday that the fighting finally came to an end. In two hours, 12 vehicles out of the 22 that had took part in the attack, burned on the bridge, and the largest concentration of armoured vehicles in 9th SS Panzer Division had been cut to pieces.
What this represented was an important change in the battlefield. Day 1 had been about movement, capturing objectives quickly by surprise, but now the fronts were beginning to solidify. Fluid and daring maneuvers gave way to positional warfare. Foxholes were dug. Lines were forming. Positions were taken and fortified. Rapid attacks weren’t going to bring about victory. The moment had passed for decisive attacks, it was now going to be an attritional infantry slog. Frosts men at the bridge had fought off Graebner’s attack, but were not in the best situation. These are the buildings which they had fortified. Surrounded by Germans and now short of ammunition, they hoped either 1st Airborne or XXX Corps would reach them soon. They had to reach them soon.
But by this point, XXX Corps hadn’t even reached the 101st American Airborne Division at Eindhoven, fifty miles to the South of Arnhem. They had a bridge to rebuild at Son, the bridge at Nijmegen to take, and time was ticking down. The Germans were now counter-attacking positions of the 101st, and by the end of the day, had retaken the bridges at Best and the Wilhelmina Canal. XXX Corps would reach the 101st at Eindhoven by 12:30 and would get to Son in the early evening, where they found the destroyed bridge. They began to construct the bailey bridge that would allow them to continue their advance to Arnhem. However, the bailey bridge wouldn’t be finished this day, with the result that XXX Corps was now behind schedule.
Equally as concerning, 1st Airborne Division were still miles to the West of Arnhem and desperately trying to break through to 2nd Battalion at the Bridge. Before dawn, Fitch’s 3rd Battalion (accompanied by General Urquhart) moved from Oosterbeek and gained a mile and a half of ground without much opposition. However, as they reached the Western suburbs of Arnhem they were blocked by Kampfgruppe Spindler. It was at this point that General Urquhart, himself confused in the street fighting and trying to go back towards Oosterbeek, ended up trapped in a house in Western Arnhem. A self-propelled gun parked itself outside his position, leaving the whole of 1st Airborne Division without their leader. Sat with him was Lathbury, who was in charge of 1st Parachute Brigade (the units that were fighting towards the bridge). Without leadership to organise the attacks, the battalions fighting towards the bridge struggled to make headway. For the rest of the day, 3rd Battalion were pinned down in the street fighting on the outskirts of Arnhem, making little progress. By the days end, only around 140 men of 3rd Battalion were left.
Further back, 1st Battalion had marched through the night and now were in Oosterbeek. Their commander, Dobie, was not in contact with 3rd Battalion and assumed they too had gone on ahead to the bridge. He therefore attempted to march straight to Arnhem. His troops had reached the railway embankment at around 05:30, but suffered casualties. Knowing that his unit would be useless if it didn’t get to its objective in one piece, he decided to avoid fighting and turned south. He linked up with stragglers from 3rd Battalion and by about 08:00 they had passed the railway line. But were then fired upon by Germans in nearby houses and armoured vehicles at Den Brink. There was now no other option but to fight their way forwards, 1st Battalion (with elements of 3rd Battalion) fought through sniper and machine gun fire to clear out the buildings between them and the rest of 3rd Battalion. But by late afternoon, the exhausted paras had only just caught up with the remnants of 3rd Battalion. Despite advanced elements being only around 800 yards from the bridge, they would go no further that day.
Back at 1st Airborne Headquarters at the Hartenstein hotel, things were looking little better. Lieutenant-Colonel Charles Mackenzie now informed Brigadier Hicks that he was now in charge of 1st Airborne, since Urquhart had disappeared. Urquhart had issued orders that in the event that himself and Lathbury (who was sat in the same house Urquhart was) were lost, that Hicks would be next in line, and then if Hicks was lost, then Brigadier Hackett would be in command. So Hicks, hearing reports that 1st and 3rd Battalion were struggling to get to Frost at the bridge, decided to send the South Staffords and 11th Battalion of Hackett’s Brigade to help them - as soon as the second airlift arrived. Remember, not all of 1st Airborne had gone in on the first day - 11th Battalion hadn’t arrived yet, and half the South Staffords hadn’t arrived either. A good chunk of 1st Airborne had had to guard the landing zones for the reinforcements that were expected… now, but those reinforcements were delayed for 4 hours. It wasn’t until the afternoon that the second lift arrived.
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In all, around 750 men reached the Road Bridge at Arnhem. Almost all of 2nd Battalion, a 45 man unit from 3rd Battalion, Brigade Headquarters as well as a few more men from other smaller units had made it. They had with them only limited stocks of food and ammunition. They’d gone unnoticed by the twenty or so Germans manning the pillbox on the bridge, and a couple of attempts to knock it out failed, until a 6-pounder and a flamethrower were brought up. Missing the bunker, the flamethrower hit the ammunition and petrol storage hut behind it and a large explosion covered the bridge in flame that would burn throughout the night. Later, a convoy of German lorries carrying ammunition supplies attempted to cross the burning bridge. Yes, the flames exploded the ammunition they carried and this only added to the inferno. Another convoy (a V-2 rocket unit) was also ambushed on the Arnhem side, and several men taken prisoner, although the British didn’t realise they were V-2 rocket operators, which meant the V-2 rocket operators survived the battle. But overall, part of the British paratroop force had reached their objective and now just had to wait for relief by XXX Corps.
So where were the tanks? XXX Corps had to go thirteen miles between their start point and the city of Eindhoven. Between Eindhoven and them was the German front-line. After an artillery barrage, the lead tanks had moved barely 30 minutes before ...quote... all hell broke lose. German infantry and guns hit them from the woods on either side of the road, brewing-up nine tanks in the immediate ambush. The British deployed infantry and Typhoons from the RAF to deal with the Germans, and the infantry went in to clear the enemy positions, finally allowing XXX Corps to continue. By this point, the Germans were reacting to the attack, sending in five battalions to try halt the advance. The whole day was spent fighting one new regiment after another that British intelligence officers were surprised even existed. And by the end of the day, XXX Corps had gone only eight miles from their starting point. There were another fifty-six miles to Arnhem, a bridge at Son to rebuild, and still many more Germans between them.
At least all the bridges were taken on Day One, and those that weren’t could be rebuilt. Oh, except for one. Nijmegen bridge was still in enemy hands and the 82nd Airborne had yet to make an attack on it. Finally, at 8pm, Warren was able to send two rifle companies from 1st Battalion towards the bridge. A and B Companies attacked into Nijmegen, but B Company got lost along the way, so A Company went on alone. Yes, only one Company was attacking one of the main objectives in the 82nd’s sector, and it was many hours after the paras had landed. As they approached the bridge (which at this point was still guarded by only a handful of Germans), a German convoy of reinforcements from the North arrived. It was an entire infantry battalion from the 10th SS Panzer Division, supported by a company of engineers and Viktor Graebner’s Reconnaissance Battalion from 9th SS Panzer Division. The fighting began, but it was heavily in the German’s favour. B Company arrived later in the night but they too found the situation hopeless. The Americans did manage to capture and destroy the firing mechanism for the bridge, meaning the Germans weren’t able to blow the bridge (not that they were planning to anyway), but they were outgunned and outnumbered now. The Germans even managed to counter-attack and surround a unit in the post office, who would stay there surrounded for the next three days. The 82nd had failed to capture Nijmegen Bridge.
The entire Operation depended on the capture of every bridge. Son had been destroyed, but since it was over a canal, a bailey bridge could be built in a matter of hours to replace it. But the bridge at Nijmegen spanned a much larger body of water and a bailey bridge couldn’t be built over that. Nijmegen bridge had to be taken on the first day. And it wasn’t.
So things don’t bode too well for Operation Market Garden at this early stage, but there was still hope. If 1st Airborne could fight their way to Frost at the bridge, if XXX Corps could make good the delay and reach and repair Son bridge quickly, and if the 82nd could somehow capture Nijmegen Road bridge (which at this point was still a possibility) the battle could be won, and the war, over by Christmas. The question is, did the Allies make efficient use of the first vital hours of the operation? And who made the worst mistakes at this early stage? Let me know who you think it is in the comments below.
We’ll continue the fight tomorrow. But before we leave, it’s worth mentioning SS Captain Viktor Graebner one more time. This guy went everywhere on the 17th. First he had the Knight’s Cross pinned onto his chest by Divisional commander Harzer earlier on the 17th (unlike what Wikipedia says, which is why we don’t rely on it) Graebner sent units to scout out positions along the Ede-Arnhem road, he fought elements of 1st Battalion, and then he drove across Arnhem bridge at 18:00 - an hour or two before Frost’s men reached it. At 19:00 he was at Elst, South of Arnhem. And finding no paratroopers there, he raced to Nijmegen and found no Americans at Nijmegen either. Yet within 24 hours of this picture being taken, Graebner was dead. We’ll find out why, tomorrow. Thanks for watching, thanks for subscribing, by for now.
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Dobie’s 1st Battalion was to take the route that started along the Ede-Arnhem railway, but hearing reports of tanks ahead, Dobie chose to circle north of the route instead. This had the benefit of bypassing Krafft’s blocking line, but he soon became caught in fighting in the wooded areas north of Wolfheze. The German unit was a hastily formed Kampfgruppe, or battlegroup (which we’ll explain later), named after it’s commander ‘Weber’. Consisting of ninety or so Luftwaffe signallers, and despite being poorly armed and inexperienced, they attacked the paras as best they could. They didn’t do a lot of damage, but they did cause a delay.
To the South, Lieutenant-Colonel John Frost’s 2nd Battalion had been given the dual task of taking the Arnhem Rail Bridge and the main objective… the Road bridge. Frost’s men got into combat almost immediately, destroying a small column of vehicles, probably a reconnaissance company from Krafft’s Battalion, but was quick to get going towards the bridges. Bypassing the important Heveadorp ferry (capable of transporting troops across the Rhine, but overlooked in the initial planning), they reached Oosterbeek by 6pm and overwhelmed the token German resistance there. Detaching Lieutenant Barry’s 9th Platoon supported by 8th Platoon with orders to take the Rail bridge, Barry lead a section of nine men onto the north end of the bridge itself. He thought he could take the entire bridge, but as he got to the centre of the bridge above the water, the bridge exploded. Luckily, none of the men with him were killed by the explosion, but the Rail bridge was destroyed. No matter, this wasn’t the main objective. The main objective was the Arnhem Road bridge. Now, it had taken three hours for 2 Para to get to this point. The German guards at the rail bridge had had plenty of time to prepare their explosives, so the chances of the Road bridge being there when they got to it.... They had to go on. Frost’s Battalion continued towards Arnhem.
Shortly before the destruction of the Rail bridge however, Field Marshal Model, German Commander in Chief of Army Group B, fled his headquarters at the Hartenstein Hotel for fear of being captured. Interestingly, it’s claimed that Model wrongly came to the conclusion that the British landed in Holland purely to capture him! There’s no evidence of that. But it is true that he fled the hotel, and having assessed the situation, at 17:30 he (and the staff of IISS Corps) issue the first and perhaps most important order to the German units in the Arnhem-Nijmegen area. Immediate counter-attacks were to take place, with 9th SS Panzer Division to concentrate against the British at Arnhem, and the 10th SS Panzer Division to drive to Nijmegen, secure the bridge there and prevent any relief from getting to the British at Arnhem. At the same time, Student’s 1st Fallschirmjäger Army was to combat XXX Corps’ advance and the 101st Airborne at Eindhoven.
This was a significant order. The Germans had decided to halt the relieving forces at Nijmegen. If they did that, the British at Arnhem would be trapped miles behind enemy lines... and doomed.
At 18:00 Krafft suspected that he’d been outflanked - he had. Fearing the possibility of encirclement, he withdrew his force, which in turn allowed elements of 3rd Battalion to continue towards the bridge. Having delayed 3rd Para, Krafft’s force retreated to the Dreyenseweg and helped reinforce a new battle group that had been hastily set up there, Kampfgruppe Spindler.
The Germans had practiced a new type of unit organisation, called Kampfgruppen. This was an ad hoc formation, which could be created or disbanded depending on circumstances. It’s basically a makeshift unit usually cobbled together from bits of other units and then given a leader and a task. Experienced and decorated in both the Iron Cross and the German Cross in Gold, SS Lieutenant-Colonel Spindler, commander of the 9th SS Panzer Division’s Artillery regiment, pulled in as many units under his command as possible, even units without guns. But he managed, by the evening of the 17th, to assemble a force of infantry, half tracks and self propelled guns, and possibly even some tank destroyers and Mark IV tanks. He decided, perhaps off his own initiative, to form a blocking line to prevent the British from getting into the center of Arnhem. Spindler is a very significant figure in this Operation, who we will see again and again as the battle progresses.
Frost and 2nd Battalion was lucky enough to bypass Spindler’s line before it solidified. Following the bend in the Rhine and despite having to detach a company at Den Brink to deal with the German machine guns there, 2nd Battalion marched into Arnhem. As they moved through the streets, German vehicles screeched across the Arnhem Road bridge heading south. Commanded by SS Captain Viktor Graebner, the 9th SS Reconnaissance Battalion headed towards Nijmegen. Viktor Graebner was another significant figure at Arnhem and we’ll return to him again next time. The point is that only a handful of guards were guarding Arnhem Road Bridge. Frost reached the Road Bridge at 20:00, followed shortly by 1st Brigade headquarters. They had covered seven or eight miles in five hours. The bridge guards were in a pillbox on the bridge itself, so 2 Para dug into positions beneath the bridge and waited for 3rd Battalion and the Reconnaissance Squadron, which ominously hadn’t yet arrived.
That’s because, facing Kampfgruppe Spindler’s determined defensive line, 3rd Battalion had decided to dig in near Oosterbeek and no further progress was made that evening. Only C Company, which had gone north of Krafft’s position managed to fight their way to the bridge after a violent clash in Arnhem itself, resulting in only forty-five men reaching Frost’s position. 1st Battalion’s commander, Dobie, received word via radio that 2nd Battalion had reached the bridge and needed reinforcements. He decided to abandon the idea of fighting to reach the North of Arnhem and to just get to the bridge. He turned South East and fought throughout the night, losing over a hundred men and only got halfway to their objective before they too were stopped by Kampfgruppe Spindler. Spindler had stopped two of the three Battalions from getting to the Arnhem Road Bridge on Day One, and this achievement is even more admirable when you consider that his force hadn’t existed that morning. By the late evening of the 17th, another kampfgruppen named “Harder” after its commander (who was, to slightly complicate things, was under the command of Spindler), moved into Western Arnhem and cut off Frost’s troops from the rest of 1st Airborne. There was now no way any more British paratroopers were getting to Arnhem that evening.
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The Landings - Day 1
The largest airborne operation in history begins on a Sunday. September 17th, 1944. The first Allied paratroopers and gliders descend in Holland in the early afternoon. Thousands of men land as many as sixty miles behind enemy lines. And despite the fact that the battle ahead would last nine days, it was in the first vital hours of the Operation that the outcome of the whole battle, and the lives of thousands of soldiers and civilians on both sides, would be decided.
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Last time we saw how the Allied battle plan wasn’t without its flaws, and how the Germans weren’t as ill prepared as the Allied Generals believed. And as the battle begins, the question we have to ask ourselves is … did the Allies make efficient use of the first vital hours of the operation? It’s the middle of the day, there’s plenty of light and despite a few accidents, no serious casualties are sustained on the drops. The element of surprise works in the Allies’ favour. Taking advantage of German confusion, most of the Allied objectives are taken quickly within a few hours. Most.
The American 101st Airborne Division lands north of Eindhoven and secures most of its target bridges. But as the 2nd Battalion of the 506th Regiment (which included Easy Company from the Band of Brothers Series) approached the bridge at Son, an 88 and nearby German sentries managed to delay the paratroopers long enough to blow the bridge. The Americans were just 50 metres from the bridge when it blew up in their faces. Equally as concerning, the 502nd Regiment fought their way through to the bridge at Best, which the Germans also managed to blow before it fell into American hands. So the 101st failed to capture a bridge on the canal at the southern end of their sector. XXX Corps can’t cross a canal without a bridge, so when they eventually arrive, there’s going to be delays as they’re going to have to build a replacement bridge. And if that wasn’t bad enough, a glider from the 101st crashed near Student’s headquarters and plans for the entire Operation, Operation Market Garden, were in Student’s hands by around 3pm that same day. Day One.
But the 101st weren’t the only ones having trouble. The 82nd landing near Nijmegen did secure the heights at Groesbeek, the Heumen bridge and the bridge at Grave. Browning had also flown in and now set up his headquarters on the Groesbeek Heights. I’m mentioning that because Gavin and Browning had both decided the Groesbeek heights were the priority for the Operation and had to be taken. And they were taken, because there were literally no Germans there. As a result, a good portion of 82nd Airborne were just sat on the Groesbeek Heights shelling the nearby woods (the Reichswald) because a sizeable German counter-attacking force was believed to be in there. Time was ticking down to take what was the REAL priority - the road bridge at Nijmegen. Now, the 1st Battalion, commanded by Lieutenant Shields Warren, had been ordered to take Nijmegen bridge that day. However, Warren was first ordered to secure some of the suburbs of Nijmegen and prepare them for defense, which took him most of the day. So early on, things weren’t looking so good at Nijmegen either. If the 82nd fail to take the Nijmegen Bridge, there’s no way XXX Corps can build a bridge over the Waal. Nijmegen Bridge has to be taken. But it isn’t.
At Arnhem, the British land in fields surrounded by woods. This works in their favour as it prevented the Germans seeing exactly what the British were up to. But it also didn’t work in their favour, as they were 8 to 13 miles away from their main objective, Arnhem Bridge. But General Urquhart had prepared for this. Knowing that it would take hours to fight their way over several miles of enemy held territory, he decided to send 1st Airborne’s Reconnaissance Squadron, supplied with Jeeps, ahead. The idea was to send the jeeps ahead to the Arnhem road bridge in a coup-de-main (or surprise) attack, then wait for reinforcements from the rest of the division to arrive. Neither trained to use them, nor were they meant to be used for anything other than reconnaissance, this lightly armed and unarmoured force wouldn’t last long in a major firefight, but it might be able to slip behind enemy lines and might be able to get to the bridge quickly.
However, Sepp Krafft’s SS Training and Replacement Battalion was one of the closest units to the British landing zones, and seeing the paratroopers land, he decided to quickly form a blocking line near Wolfheze and to scout out the British positions to gain vital information… because observation was obscured by the trees. Krafft wasn’t sure what the British were trying to achieve but his line would cause the British some problems in those first vital hours. It was the Northern end of this blocking line that the British Reconnaissance squadron drove into, barely minutes after the line had been formed. The small force of jeeps was stopped by heavy machine gun fire and even a flamethrower attack. They then tried to advance by foot, but were driven back. The first attack towards Arnhem had failed.
Fitch’s 3rd Battalion marched along the Utrechtseweg, south of most of Krafft’s positions towards Arnhem. Unfortunately for Fitch, General Urquhart accompanied the Battalion, and slowed things down. Lieutenant Cleminson’s platoon took out a German car... this one… and it was only after the war that they found out it was General Friedrich Kussin, Arnhem’s commandant who had only just finished briefing Krafft on the situation. Despite this success, 3rd Battalion got embroiled in fighting Krafft’s Battalion, including an incident where General Urquhart himself was shot at by machine guns and mortar fire.
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Of course the British could rely on the Polish 1st Independent Parachute Brigade as reinforcements who would hopefully arrive on Day 3. Yes, it was no surprise that General Sosabowski, commander of the Polish Brigade, had had misgivings about this AND the previous proposed operation, operation comet (which was basically similar to this one, but with less troops). You see, the airborne units had been told to prepare for battle time and time again over the last few months, only to have plans cancelled last minute. This not only affected morale, but gave their commanders an eagerness to get into battle that may have clouded their judgement during the planning of the Market Operation. General Sosabowski was more accepting of the Market Garden plan because it was better than the previous one, although it clearly wasn’t perfect. His Polish Brigade would land south of Arnhem on Day 3, when the element of surprise was lost days before.
It was bad enough for the brigades landing on Day 2. But the eagerness to get into battle felt by all the Officers and troops is perhaps why the Operation went ahead anyway. And is also why vital intelligence reports about the existence of German tanks in the area were ignored. Now tanks could overwhelm the lightly armed paratroopers and threaten the whole operation. Although a lot of the German units in the Arnhem area were of dubious combat quality, they did have two rather depleted SS Panzer Divisions in the area. The 9th and 10th SS Panzer Divisions to be exact. Both veteran units with elite soldiers and tanks. And yet, these intelligence reports were dismissed by Lieutenant General Frederick Browning - the man in charge of the whole airborne operation - because he didn’t want to cancel the mission with only two days remaining before it began. Browning also believed that the Germans were already defeated so these tanks were probably few in number and would be slow to react. So he didn’t warn Urquhart or any of the British paratroopers of the possibility of their being two SS Panzer Divisions in the area, which meant the paras didn’t take as many anti-tank weapons and ammunition as they could have. Oh, and Browning decided that his corps headquarters would be airlifted into the Nijmegen sector on day one using a staggering 38 aircraft and extra gliders on top of that, all of which were taken from the British allocation of transport aircraft - who were already starved of transport aircraft as priority had been given to the Americans.
Oh, and the decision was taken not to support the air transports or the paratroopers on the ground with ground attack aircraft. This meant that the Germans would be able to move freely in day-light without fear of being attacked from the air - something they hadn’t been able to do in Normandy. The Germans could reinforce their troops as and when they liked, a fact that would prove disastrous as the battle progressed.
Despite having two understrength SS Panzer divisions in the area, overall the Germans facing the Market Garden Operation were weak and were forced to fill the front with rag tag units. Including units like the ‘eyes and ears battalions’ who consisted of men who had disabilities that had prevented them from fighting, until now. By this point in the war, Germany was scraping the bottom of the manpower and material barrel, however, they were well led. Field Marshal Model, Commander in Chief of Army Group B, coincidently had his headquarters in the Hartenstein Hotel near to the British Landing zones. He was an experienced leader, having earned nicknames such as “Master of Defence”, “Lion of Defence”, the “Saviour of the Eastern Front”, and the “Fuhrer’s Fireman” (because he’s constantly putting out fires, or plugging holes in the front). In the defensive battle that followed, Model was the right man for the job.
As was Kurt Student, Commander of the 1st Fallschirmjaeger Army. Fallshirmjaeger were German Paratroopers and in the days prior to the Allied airborne assault, Student had been ordered to ‘Collect all available units together and build a new front’. This he had done (and these units weren’t all elite paratroopers) but it’s important to note that Student was an experienced leader and had directed some of the first opposed paratrooper landings in history. You have to remember that paratrooper operations had only begun in 1940 so it remained a new concept even by 1944. Lessons were still needed to be learnt about how to properly use paratroopers in combat, but it was the Germans who had pioneered their early use. Student had been the Commander of the Fallshirmjaeger since the early days. He knew more than anyone else what to do in the event of a paratrooper landing and was in a perfect position to oppose the Allied landings in September 1944.
In charge of ii ss panzer corps was Wilhelm bittrich. Harmel was in command of 10th ss panzer division and harzer was in command of the ninth. All of them experienced commanders who'd proven themselves in previous campaigns, including at Normandy in Operations like Epsom and good wood.
Good commanders commanding ad hoc forces is what the British and Americans were facing. However, it’s worth noting that although the two SS Panzer Divisions together totalled maybe 7000 men at most (about 30% of what they should have been) the entire II SS Panzer Corps had spent a good 15 months performing anti-paratroop landing training. The Corp had been founded to stop the Normandy landings, including paratroop landings, and these training exercises were fresh in their minds. Essentially, the paratroopers were landing against an enemy who knew how to deal with them.
So this is where we stand on the eve of battle. Three landing zones, one road, and an underestimated enemy. The plan has the potential to end the war by Christmas, but it isn’t flawless. I’ll leave you with a question - how rotten was this plan? And do you think it was doomed to fail from the start? Comment below and let me know. Next time, we’ll see what happens on Day One, so don’t forget to like and subscribe if you haven’t done already. Thanks for watching, thanks for subscribing, bye for now.
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In charge of the Airborne part of the plan was Lieutenant General Sir Arthur Montague Boy Frederick Browning. This was the father of the British airborne forces, and was the one who said I think we might be going a bridge too far… well, he may have said that. Nobody really knows, but he had the task of making Operation Market a success, and that wasn’t going to be easy.
Landing troops behind enemy lines sounds great, until you consider two things:
Paratroopers rely on the element of surprise to disorientate and confuse the enemy so that they can secure their objective before the enemy knows what’s happening. So if surprise is lost or they fail to act quickly enough, they lose their biggest asset.
They’re weak. They’re dropped behind enemy lines, are lightly armed and supplied by the air, so if they’re not relieved in a matter of days there’s a good chance they’ll be overwhelmed.
Speed is therefore, imperative. The paratroopers have to take their objectives quickly, and the tanks have to relieve them quickly. It’s worth bearing this in mind as we consider that cracks began to appear in the plan right from the beginning. For starters, Operation Garden wasn’t going to be easy. Commanded by Sir Brian Horrocks, XXX Corps would have one road to drive up. One road. An entire corps, one road. That’s a logistical nightmare. But considering the enemy could easily counterattack from the sides and cut the road at any point, plus they had to drive 60 miles just to reach Arnhem… I hope you can see the problem here. Even if all things went smoothly, it would take at least two to three days for XXX Corps to get to the British at Arnhem. That’s assuming all the bridges would be taken intact. If the Germans managed to hold or destroy a bridge or two, it could take even longer.
The issue of delay is compounded when you realise there weren’t enough transport planes to deliver all three and a bit airborne divisions at the same time. This would mean they would have to be dropped over a period of three days, because the RAF also refused to fly in more than one lift per day for fear of exhausting their pilots. Apart from the fact that this would weaken the strength of the initial landings and compromise the paratrooper’s element of surprise, it also meant that … potentially ... not all the bridges could be secured on the first day. If some of the bridges aren’t taken, and if XXX Corps is delayed, the Operation fails and the British at Arhem are doomed.
General Gavin of the American 82nd Airborne Division who was dropping in at Nijmegen decided that he simply didn’t have enough troops on the first day to take all his objectives. He wanted to take the bridges from both ends at once, but without enough troops on the ground this wasn’t possible. He also feared an attack from the Reichswald… a forest that was within the borders of Germany, and he believed there were a lot of Germans in there ready to counter attack. In his mind, he would have to pull forces away to capture the heights at Groesbeek, in order to secure his position against the Reichswald rather than send troops to take the Nijmegen Bridge. This meant they wouldn’t be able to start their attack on the Nijmegen Bridge until later in the day, or until reinforcements arrived on the second day. The element of surprise would be lost, and it was likely that the Germans would have time to react, dig in and prepare their defenses at the Nijmegen Bridge. Not good.
To make matters worse, the 101st Airborne had to take five bridges on the first day. 5. Lead by Maxwell D. Taylor, the 101st would drop as close to the bridges as they could to take them as quickly as possible. This would give them the best chance of taking the bridges, but with 5 to take chances are, they wouldn’t take them all. This, and the problems at Nijmegen and the lack of transports meant that, there was a big chance that there was going to be a delay in reaching Arnhem.
At first glance however, the British at Arnhem seemed to have the least amount of trouble - they only had one bridge to take (well two, but one main one). Yet it wasn’t as simple as that. The RAF refused to drop the paratroopers near to the bridge because of that heavy Anti Air cover over Arnhem, and because the ground south of the bridge was believed to be too marshy for a landing (although good enough for the Polish airborne coming a few days later).
Major General Roy Urquhart was commander of the British 1st Airborne Division. Urquhart had never commanded paratroopers before, and believed that once he was on the ground it was basically going to be the same as any other infantry battle. No. Paratroopers need to get to their objectives quickly and sit tight for relief. Essentially, once you take your objective, you’re not attacking, you’re defending. So perhaps Urquhart was the wrong man for the job? Either way, due to pressure from the RAF and the US Airforce, Urquhart was forced to land 8 miles to 13 miles away from the bridge. Yes, 8 to 13 miles away. Not only was there a real chance that the vital element of surprise be lost, but also the British paras landing on day one would need to hold the Landing Zones for subsequent waves of paratroopers, meaning that only a portion of the British paras landing on day one would actually strike towards Arnhem Bridge. And the British would also need to hold onto a huge area, which realistically they’d struggle to hold with the entire division.
To be fair to Urquhart, he did request for his troops to be landed nearer to the bridge, such as south of Arnhem (which was again, good enough for the Polish Brigade coming later but not for anyone on Day 1). Unknown to Urquhart during the early planning stage, when briefed a few days before the battle, officers of 1st Parachute Battalion actually volunteered to land on the town of Arnhem itself rather than land miles away from the bridge, but in the end Air Vice-Marshal Hollinghurst refused Urquhart’s request and the landing zones remained many miles from Arnhem. The reason for this was the fear of anti-air batteries over Arnhem. The RAF and the US Airforce thought they’d take excessive losses if they landed near the city. Urquhart has taken the blame over the years for the fact that the landing zones were far from the bridge. In reality, that decision wasn’t his. It’s often been argued that Urquhart should have insisted on closer landing zones, but the fact remains that it didn’t happen. The British would land 8 to 13 miles away from the bridge.
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You may have heard about the battle of Arnhem, or you may have seen the film a Bridge Too Far. You may think you know what happened and what went wrong. Think again. In this series, we’re going to look at as much of the Market Garden Operation as we can, even the bits other documentaries leave out. We will dispel the myths that surround this Operation and find out who exactly was to blame for its failure.
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In the coming videos, we’ll be covering the entire Operation, which was not only the biggest airborne assault of all time, but was also the last major defeat for the British military. It remains a controversial operation. Somehow an all-but defeated German army clawed their way to victory, stopping the Allies from crossing the Rhine and winning the war by Christmas. Today, we’re going to focus on the plan, since it’s a plan which has since been deemed “rotten” and badly executed. But was it really that bad a plan?
The situation by late 1944 for the Germans was desperate. Nazi Germany had conquered most of Europe in the early days of World War II, but by 1944, was on the backfoot. The Wehrmacht (or German Army) was decisively beaten in the East by the Soviets at battles like Stalingrad and Kursk and annihilated during Operation Bagration. In the South, the Allies had defeated the Germans in the Desert and were slowly working their way up the Italian peninsular. And in the West, the Allies had landed in Normandy, had crushed the Germans in the Falaise pocket, liberated Paris and were now on their way towards Germany. It seemed to most Allied commanders that the German Army was thoroughly beaten. The Third Reich was about to fall. It was all just a question of time.
Since Normandy, Supreme Allied Commander of the Allied Expeditionary Force - Eisenhower - had been in charge. Knowing that the Germans were thinned out after Falaise, Eisenhower prefered a broad front strategy. That is, by marching his Armies forward on all fronts, so the Germans would have to spread out their weakened forces and would be overwhelmed by sheer weight of numbers. But supply and logistical issues soon became a problem. Armies require supplies and fuel if they are to keep on advancing, and Allied logistics couldn’t keep up with the demand of supplying all the Armies at the same time. The result? Allied Armies stopped dead in their tracks in late August and early September 1944.
This gave British Field Marshal Montgomery the chance he’d been waiting for. Monty, experienced in the African Desert and commander of the Allied forces in the initial stages of the Normandy landings, believed that he had a plan that could knock out the Germans with a decisive blow if he was given logistical priority. In his mind, the British could bypass the German Siegfried Line, cross the Rhine river in September, then race into Germany’s industrial heartland, the Ruhr. He believed he could win the war by Christmas.
Facing logistical problems and knowing that fighting through the Siegfried Line would be challenging, Eisenhower gave the green light, and Operation Market Garden was born. Monty’s plan was to drive XXX Corps (a British Tank and Mobile infantry force) over the bridges of the lower Rhine river and thrust deep into Germany. That was the Garden part of the plan. But of course Bridges would be no use if the Germans had a chance to destroy them, so the Bridges had to be secured for the tanks in advance. And there were several bridges in the area to capture intact if this operation was to have any chance of success.
Therefore, three and a half Airborne Divisions (a total of 33,971 men) would land on Day 1 behind enemy lines to secure both the bridges and the road to Arnhem. The American 101st Airborne division would land at Eindhoven, the American 82nd would land at Nijmegen, and the British 1st Airborne Division, supported by the Polish 1st Independent Airborne Brigade, would land at Arnhem. This was the Market part of the plan. With a carpet of Airborne troops to secure the route, XXX Corps would simply cross the secured bridges and ride off to victory! But the bridges had to be secure - without them, the plan would fail - they were the priority of this Operation.
So this was two operations in one. Operation Market, and Operation Garden. And together they make Operation Market Garden. Sounds simple… right? It is until you realise there was another element to the plan not often mentioned. Once the British tanks were over the Rhine at Arnhem, another Division - the 52nd Lowland Infantry Division would be flown in by air on the fifth day, after Deeland Airfield had been captured. Yes, this wasn’t an Operation aimed at capturing Arnhem bridge, it went on beyond that. The tanks were meant to get all the way to Zuiderzee, the shallow bay that juts into the Netherlands. Now, the reason you don’t hear about this part of the Operation much, is because (spoiler alert) it didn’t happen. But that was the true goal of Market Garden.
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Great! Glad you enjoyed the video :)
I'm not sure why YouTube isn't promoting some of my Battlestorm videos. I'm also really happy with this one and the way it turned out. But YouTube only seems to like my Market Garden one.
University, or degrees, aren't going to be useful unless you decide you want a history-related job at the end of it. Honestly, the lessons are - use all the sources, every source is biased, question everything (ask "is this really the case?"), and try to remain as neutral as possible. Beyond that, the only thing degrees do is show employers you were able to persevere with something for three years, which is their primary purpose.
If you don't need the degree to get a job, it would be a hell of a lot cheaper to buy a ton of books on one subject you like and get reading. Read say x10 history books on the same battle, make notes (use Google Docs, free in pc and phone) and see what contradictions there are. Then try to figure out which story is right, and why. Interpret the evidence. Solve the puzzle. Then either write about it (blog) or create a video on it (doesn't have to be like mine, could be just a vlog or a podcast). Either way, when you really get into it, you'll have a great time. Trust me :)
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"Go back an read. Each of your claims has been debunked. If you think what you have shown would be satisfactory at any uni level, your delusional. Nothing to do with insults. They're woeful, not to any standard (as you've admitted). Nothing personal, just facts. Your emotional response is simply the next stage after denial."
What you have written above - is an emotional response. That's why you're insulting me by saying I'm "delusional", even though in the next sentence saying it has "nothing to do with insults". Really? You don't think calling someone "delusional" is insulting?
What I've written isn't an emotional response. You insulted-accused me of not doing something right, I asked you to explain yourself, and you couldn't. Then I explained why I do things the way I do them. Everything you said to counter this was successfully countered by me. You have not convinced me that the way I do things is "substandard" because your reasons for doing so don't stand up to scrutiny.
I have my reasons for doing it the way I did - and I haven't even given you the second reason, only the first. It's not "denial" or "an emotional response" - it's simply fact.
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"Citations MUST stand independent of any reference list. If you want to dance around that, fine."
Well, if that's the case, the Harvard way of doing citations is also wrong, since it doesn't stand independent of any bibliography either. With the Harvard citations you don't even have to provide page numbers, which is simply ridiculous. How can you say that it "stands independent of any reference list" if they don't even provide page numbers?
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"Its clear you don't understand referencing, citations and they're interlinkages. In text / video citations in your video have been done incorrectly. That was the point, you asked why, Ive explained it."
And I've explained why I perfectly understand the way to do references and a bibliography works. But you didn't realize this when you jumped to the conclusion that there's "nothing right" with my references. I've (partly) explained why I do it the way I do, and you have ignored me, and instead continue to throw out baseless insults and accusations. It seems you'd rather continue to dig the hole you've made for yourself than admit that the way I do things - while it isn't the "official" way - is actually easier to understand than the alternative ways of doing it.
Bottom line: I'm not willing to lower my standards by using what is clearly an inferior way of doing references just because they're "official". If you're going to come up with a reason why I should do it differently, then your reason a) must make sense, and b) be convincing (so, drop the insults, and start showing a bit of respect for other people).
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Hold on, you've not provided "criticism", you're provided insults and a weak argument. You've told me that "there's nothing right with [my references]", that they are "woeful, not to standard, missing major pieces, and not in anyway related to a bibliography" and have suggested that I've "[n]ever been to uni" and that I "should know" how to reference. This isn't "criticism", this is just simply an insult.
Criticism would have been something like "Hey TIK, could I ask why you're referencing the way you are? Why don't you use the [insert reference method here] or provide the publication dates?" I would then have pointed out to you that I do in fact provide the dates in the bibliography. You failed to do that, and instead chose to insult me by saying I'm "substandard even for undergraduates" ... "eek".
Then on top of that you provide a flawed argument that doesn't hold up to my counter argument, yet then expect me to "take the criticism" and just bow down to a flawed way of doing things. It appears you didn't understand that I refer to what you call "citations" as "references", and what you call "references" I call "bibliography" - which is the British way of doing things (it's actually different in the USA, Britain and Continental Europe, which you obviously didn't know). You've then called me out for "substandard references", believing that my "references" were my "bibliography", not my "citations". You've accused me of not providing the publication dates - which I have, they're in the bibliography. So to say that they're "missing major pieces" is simply incorrect, they are provided.
When you say "Your references are... not in anyway related to a bibliography." - correct! The references (what you call "citations") aren't the bibliography! The bibliography is the source list and has the publisher and the publication dates. The references are the "citations" that don't need the publication date (for the reasons I gave above). Therefore, unless you've got an actual reason for why I should provide the publication dates in the "citations" (or "references") that stands up to scrutiny, then I see zero reason to actually provide them (since they're in the bibliography which is linked in the description).
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@BenState "dunno, but if one was to utilise many of the references as shown in the video (without bibliography), it would be impossible nearly to find the article. I don't know why you didn't reference correctly, its neater, easier to understand and follow and makes it much easier to follow up."
1. I have provided the bibliography, the link(s) are in the description. 2. there's a difference between a 'reference' and a 'source list'. Let's take the "official" Harvard way of doing things. In the Harvard style, the 'references' only need to show the author and the date of publication - not even the page number! E.g. "Glantz, D. 2009." Here is a page explaining this https://www.ukessays.com/essays/referencing/harvard-style-essay.php
Only when using direct quotes should you add the page number... So the Harvard system makes it almost impossible at a glance to know where the information is. Whereas, I provide author, book, and page number in the reference regardless whether it's a direct quote or not. Then, if you so wish, you can find the date of publication and publisher by looking at my 'source list' (aka bibliography). This makes it way easier for the viewer to find the correct page in an instant.
But you might object by saying that there's no reason to provide the book title in the reference. And I would disagree, the authors I'm using have multiple books or articles on the same subject, so it's more important that the titles are given than the (almost irrelevant) publication date.
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"given than you didn't even know what the problem with your referencing was, im not sure you get what I mean. Either way, your 'own' system is not better."
I disagree. The 'official' systems (and there's multiple) are absolutely awful. This is why I'm not using any 'official' system. And I didn't say that I didn't know what "the problem" was - I was asking you to explain exactly what you believed was the problem with the way I reference. You still haven't done that. Any objection you've provided doesn't stand up to scrutiny since I have demonstrated that it's easier to find the sources with my reference method than it is to find them using the Harvard style, and I could do the same with the other "official" styles too.
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"the killing and enslavement is a feature where in socialism it is an incorrectable design flaw"
Let's double check that, shall we? Definitions -
Means of production : people, individuals. [A factory/building cannot operate without a human, so humans are the means of production. Therefore do you want to control your own life, or have someone else control it?]
Capitalism : private control of the means of production. [private individual (you) control over your own life]
Standard "Utopian" socialism : common-control of the means of production. [a group / other people / another authority controls your life - you're no longer free]
Marxist Socialism : class-control of the means of production. [the "workers" unions are in control, anyone else should be enslaved and murdered]
National Socialism : race-control of the means of production. [the "Aryan" race should be in control, everyone else should be enslaved and murdered]
Fascism : nationality-control of the means of production. [e.g. the "Americans" (nationality, not race) should be in control, everyone else should be enslaved and murdered]
Clearly, socialism is built on both killing and enslavement, no matter which form it is. Enslavement and killing are fundamental to the very core ideology itself, which is that some people should be excluded from society because they are part of a social group that another social group doesn't like.
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I'll tell you what then, Martin, let's read from Karl Marx himself, shall we?
“What is the worldly cult of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly god? Money… Money is the jealous god of Israel, beside which no other god may exist.” - Karl Marx, “On the Jewish Question”.
“Christ drove the Jewish money-changers out of the temple, and that the money-changers of our age enlisted on the side of tyranny happen again to be Jews is perhaps no more than a historic coincidence.” - Karl Marx, New York Tribune (1850s?) from Muravchik “Heaven on Earth”.
“We discern in Judaism… a universal antisocial element of the present time.” - Karl Marx, “On the Jewish Question”.
“As soon as society succeeds in abolishing the empirical essence of Judaism - huckstering and its conditions - the Jew becomes impossible, because his consciousness no longer has an object… The social emancipation of the Jew is the emancipation of society from Judaism.” - Karl Marx, “On the Jewish Question”.
“The Weekly Mail maintains that although Levy really fools no one, he has changed "i" into "y", and it is true that among the 22,000 Levites whom Moses counted in the journey through the wilderness, there was not a single Levi who spelled his name with a "y". Just as Edouard Simon spares no effort to be regarded as belonging to the Romance people, so Levy is determined to be an Anglo-Saxon. Therefore, at least once a month he attacks the un-English policies of Mr. Disraeli, for Disraeli, "the Asiatic mystery", is, unlike the Telegraph, not an Anglo-Saxon by descent. But what does it profit Levy to attack Mr. D'Israeli and to change "i" into "y", when Mother Nature has inscribed his origins in the clearest possible way right in the middle of his face. The nose of the mysterious stranger of Slawkenbergius (see Tristram Shandy) who had got the finest nose from the promontory of noses was just a nine days' wonder in Strasbourg, whereas Levy's nose provides conversation throughout the year in the City of London.” - Karl Marx, Herr Vogt (1860). http://marxengels.public-archive.net/en/ME1916en.html
“The capitalist knows that all commodities, however scurvy they may look, or however badly they may smell, are in faith and in truth money, inwardly circumcised Jews, and what is more, a wonderful means whereby out of money to make more money.” - Marx, “Das Kapital volume 1,” p107.
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As an ex-socialist who is still trying to purge altruism from his mind, I can tell you that you're wrong with your assessment of altruism and of these socialists. They are altruistic to the bone - that's why they bang on about equality and how we all need to help each other in our society. I'm genuinely shocked that you think socialists are not altruists 🤦🏼♂️
All of the socialists in this video had parental issues. Either they lost one or more of their parents early, or they were absent in their lives, or they simply didn't get on, or there was abuse. Either way, there were parental issues, which coupled with the altruism, led to self-hatred and a fear of independence. It's not JUST the altruism, and it's not JUST the parental issues, it's the COMBINATION of the two concepts together that's the crucial point.
The only one here that may not entirely fit the bill is Pol Pot, but he may do, since even in this case his parents were absent from his life.
You denying the evidence isn't a flaw with my reasoning.
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Gleichschaltung. Forced synchronization of the entire economy. All industries over 5 employees were nationalised in all but name, each becoming a betriebsgemeinschaft. The betriebsführer ran the businesses now, and the gefolgschaft fell under the state's power, which is why they couldn't change jobs without permission. Everything from the beekeeping society to the yacht clubs were nationalised.
Private property was abolished under the Reichstag Fire Decree of 1933. Property not in sync with state policy could be expropriated. That's why many films like Professor Junkers's aeroplane factory, and Fritz Thyssen's concern were expropriated.
The Deutsches Arbeitsfront (DAF) was one of the largest trade unions in history. Over 25 million Germans were in the DAF. All private non-state trade unions were abolished or merged into the DAF, which had enormous powers within the factories.
Price Kommissar Joseph Wagner tried to implement price controls. He failed, but the attempt was made. They did, however, implement wage controls, rent controls, pension controls, and a host of other controls and regulations. Boards for distribution were set up for all commodities, like coal, steel, paper etc. To buy a resource, you'd have to go to one of these boards first to get permission. Millions of questionnaires were sent out asking for details of input and output from all the businesses, and a real attempt to centrally distribute goods and services was made.
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"If it was private companies buying military equipment and sending emplyees to war, it would be the same: no contribution to consumer good and living standards, no?"
Yes, the same principle applies. Although in theory the private companies could only do it if it was either profitable or they had reserves of capital to spend/waste on the conflict. This would therefore limit any private war. The State on the other hand doesn't rely on profit at all, since all its revenue comes from stealing off its own citizens, or fraudulently printing more currency. Thus, the State can wage bigger and more destructive wars.
"Because it seems to me the driver of this war recession was not the US state, but the Japanese and the Nazis."
I agree.
As a bit of an extra, I've heard of a theory that says the USA (or, at least, the central bankers of America and Great Britain) financed Hitler into power and encouraged him to go to war. I don't currently believe in this theory, but I've just ordered a book on it. I want to see if the argument has any merit, or if it's just a pro-Nazi argument. I thought you should know though, since apparently some argue that the USA was secretly behind the war (in fact, Rudolf Hess made a similar argument when he landed in the UK).
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"Would a security guard be similar to a soldier? Standing outside a vault, producing nothing, no one attempts to rob it, and he still gets paid. But we wouldn't say security guards are a drain on the economy; they're insurance to protect wealth from being destroyed through theft."
The security guard is providing a service. The person who owns the vault hires his service. Thus, he is economically productive, even though he doesn't produce anything. Now, the vault owner won't buy 100,000 security guards, with tanks etc, because that will be economically unproductive and inefficient. So he buys just enough to fulfill the role.
"Extrapolate this to an army. If one thief comes, you need one guard. A team of thieves, a team of guards. 100,000 thieves with helmets, badges, grenades, & tanks, 100,000 guards, similarly equipped."
Right. And in a free economy, people would happily pay for an army to protect them.
The difference is that in a State economy (socialism) wealth is being extracted from everyone by force, and given to an army. So, instead of the military being the necessary size as dictated by the market, and providing an efficient service that people want economically, it's not doing that any more. The EFFICIENCY is lost, and thus, it operates at a loss - a cost to society.
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Cops aren't there to help the consumer, they're there to enforce the survival of the State and their tax reaping minions. So yes, since they fail to provide a service to the consumer, they're technically unemployed. Same with firemen - my grandad was one, and he said firemen can't put fires out, they can only slow it down and try prevent them from spreading. Again though, if not paid for directly by the consumer, then they're technically unemployed. I've never once needed to ring for a fireman, since I'm careful. We're overpaying for their services, and substituting people to be uncareful. If I had the choice, I'd absolutely not pay taxes to them. Sadly we don't get a choice to not pay taxes, which is proof that they're not providing value to us, because tax wouldn't be mandatory if they provided value.
2.6% unemployment rate is not massive. You missed the sarcasm in my voice at that part.
There was no 1946 Recession, unless you believe the fake Keynesian anti-economical numbers. As I showed, GDP lowered during the war, which fits the historical narrative. Murray Rothbard's "America's Great Depression" explains why the Great Depression was caused by fiat-currency creation. The reaction by the State to the depression was to intervene in the economy. This reaction deepened and lengthened the depression.
Saying 2+2=4 is not an ideological argument. It's simply correct. Pointing out that the mainstream narrative makes no sense, and the Keynesians have a flawed economic model that even states that there's recessions when there isn't one, is not an ideological argument. It's simply correct.
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"The notion that a soldier or an unemployed person, because they do not produce anything tangible, don't contribute to the economy is beyond stupid, it's just ignorant."
What good or service does an unemployed person produce?
"An economic system is composed by those who produce goods (both tangible, like a loaf of bread, and intangible, like knowledge, security, laws, etc) and those who consume them (the factory worker, the baker, the teacher, the student, the soldier, the politician and, yes, the unemployed)."
Incorrect. The factory worker is producing goods for someone else. The baker produces bread. The teacher provides the service of teaching (technically an investment in future production). The student studies, again an investment in future production. The soldier protects the economy.
The unemployed (especially long-term unemployed) and politicians (especially long-term politicians) just consume resources from others without putting anything of value back into the pot. They, like leeches, drain the resources from those who actually work and produce for society.
The soldier in a free economy (mercenary) who gets his wage directly from those voluntarily paying for his services, is an economic investment in the safety of society. The problem is that we don't have a free market. So our current soldiers are being paid from the wealth stolen off those who work. Therefore, it's impossible to assess the economic value they're providing - they're probably draining more resources than they would do under a free market.
"They contribute by consuming the goods produced by the baker, the butcher, the fisherman, the farmer, etc..."
So how does an unemployed person who consumes bread from the baker, make the baker better off? What's he giving back in return for the baker's bread?
Money is a means of exchange. If there's nothing to exchange it with, then money is worthless.
The baker is giving out bread in the hope that he will receive other goods and services in return. So he gives a guy bread, and the guy gives him an IOU (money) which says "I promise to pay you the same value of goods or services back to you in the future". But when the baker goes to collect the goods or service back from the economy, he doesn't get as much, because the guy who gave him the IOU hasn't contributed to the economy in the first place, but got his money for "free".
"And you are not unemployed if you don't produce anything tangible,"
Yes you are.
"if not all countries would have unemployment rates over 50% !"
They do. That's why our economy hasn't done anything in the past 10 years, if not longer. And now you're beginning to see why Socialism doesn't work :)
"if you receive some kind of unemployment pension I bet that you will spend it all on food, rent, basic goods, therefore contributing to the general economy."
That's draining resources, not contributing. You're not contributing anything in return for those resources, therefore you're not contributing to the economy at all.
"TIK, please stick to WW2 videos, that's what your're very good at!"
This is a WW2 video.
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But the Purges paled in comparison to the expansion of the Red Army. When talking about the effectiveness of the Red Army, the typical excuse is to say the officers were Purged, which then meant the Soviet officers were not very good. But as shown in the video, the expansion of the Red Army dwarfed the Purges, and so that was perhaps more significant. On a human level, yes it's not nice. But we're not talking about that. The "Purges" in the west were to show that other nations also purged their officers and it didn't impact performance or morale. Sure they didn't get shot, but neither did all the Soviet generals. Many came back AFTER the war had begun. This then leads to the conclusion that it wasn't the purged officers that was the issue, but actually the commissars and the dual-leadership within the Red Army which limited it's effectiveness, plus the general expansion of the Red Army. I don't doubt Military History Visualise's video is accurate, but I'm showing that this is actually a historical debate, not just a "here's the answer" video.
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Ah, in that case he may actually like my video coming up on Tuesday (tomorrow). I'll say no more for now :)
And I'm happy to answer your questions, but I will tackle one question at a time - simply because it's taken me this entire comment just to answer one of them!
So, let me answer the question "What is the ratio of rifle carrying frontliners?" - or rather "is there any evidence that the Soviets didn't have enough rifles in combat?" plus "is there evidence they charged forwards without rifles?"
At Stalingrad there was A LOT of divisions, regiments and brigades etc - so many that I'm not actually sure how many the Soviets actually put into the city. In fact, I'm actually compiling a list at the moment for my Stalingrad documentary. Anyway, the point is that, out of all these divisions, only two did not have enough rifles when they reached the city. These two were Rodimtsev's 13th Guards Rifle Division, and (later) Batiuk's 284th Rifle Division (which is the one Zaitsev was in).
However, just because they arrived at Stalingrad without a full-complement of weapons doesn't mean they were committed without them. So, let's look at the facts -
Batiuk's division had three infantry regiments. Only one of them has enough rifles when it arrives at Stalingrad. "In fact, for a time it had sufficient rifles to arm only one of its three regiments." Glantz, Armageddon in Stalingrad, P199. Note, it's not stated which regiment didn't have rifles. This information may be out there, but I don't have it. Anyway, on the 1043rd Regiment goes over the Volga on the night of 21-22 of September. The other two regiments (1045th and 1047th) crossed over on the 22-23 of September. Glantz says that they are then committed into combat "even though it was short of rifles" - whatever that means.
But there's a couple of things to note. First, we're told it's lacking "rifles" - but what about the other weapons? Well, your guess is as good as mine. In fact, there's no mention of lacking other weapons, just specifically rifles. It's implied that they're lacking more weapons, but only rifles are mentioned in any of the sources (including Craig's Enemy at the Gates). So, this division may have been armed with every other weapon (e.g. sub-machine guns, machine guns, mortars), but just lacked rifles.
We also have zero evidence to suggest that the men (lacking rifles) charged enemy positions without weapons, as shown in the film. Batiuk's division arrives on the 21st of September with ~10,000 men. By the 25th of September, it has 7,648 men (Glantz, Armageddon, P213). That's a loss of approximately 2,350 men in four days.
For comparison, 95th Rifle Division goes into Stalingrad overnight on 18-19 of September. By the 25th, this has 5,455 men. That's a loss of 4,545 men in 8 days.
Doing some quick and rough maths, that's a loss of 2,272.5 men in each 4 day period for the 95th Rifle Division, vs the 2,350 men lost for the 4 day period by the 284th Rifle Division. And there is zero mention of the 95th Rifle Division having a rifle shortage.
So, we have two divisions, committed into the same battle, at roughly the same time, who are both suffering roughly the same amount of casualties per four day period, even though one of them has a weapons shortage. This does not prove anything by itself, but it's another piece of the puzzle - a convergence of evidence - which suggests the 284th Rifle Division did not commit the units that didn't have enough rifles into combat (or at least, didn't send them in suicidal rushes at enemy positions).
And, according to Craig's Enemy at the Gates, Rodimtsev's division was short by 2,000 rifles. Again, this is probably one regiment's worth of men. But Craig notes that when Chuikov spoke to Rodimtsev, he set about fulfilling the order for rifles. The other sources (including Glantz) says they received rifles at some point after they'd arrived. So, my question would be - what would be the point of ordering new rifles if they're just going to send their men in mass-waves to be mowed down by enemy machine gun positions? In that scenario there would be no reason to order the rifles because they'd have no men to give them to.
In addition, we also have Zaitsev's memoirs. Now, memoirs aren't super-trustworthy (in fact, I encourage everyone to avoid them). But even here there are two interesting things. First, that Zaitsev crossed at night - which goes against what we see in the film, but supports what Glantz says - and that even he was surprised that the Germans didn't fire at him while they crossed. Second, that he specifically says they had machine guns, and rifles. Considering he's in the 1047th Regiment which is going in on the second night, you'd think that they'd commit the regiment that had all its weapons on the first night, and then the other two regiments that didn't have rifles on the second night. So you'd think Zaitsev would be the regiment that has a lack of rifles. But there's no mention of a lack of rifles. Again, this proves nothing because Zaitsev's regiment may have been the one with all the rifles, and Zaitsev's work is probably propaganda, but even here we have no suggestion of a lack of weapons, or suicidal charges.
The point is this - we know that two divisions out of the many that were committed into Stalingrad by the Soviets had a lack of rifles specifically. In fact it was just ~three regiments that lacked rifles (this is a maximum of about 6,000 men). We also know they received their rifles later.
We also have evidence that suggests that the losses of divisions without rifles were about the same as those with rifles, implying that their men weren't being sent into combat without rifles. We have zero evidence of mass-suicidal charges, and we have no evidence that says they lacked other weapons (e.g. grenades, knives, sub-machine guns, machine guns, mortars, etc). We also have memoirs (bias or not) that do not mention this issue.
Using the evidence above, I cannot see how the film produced drew the conclusion that the Soviets sprinted forwards in suicidal charges.
There is zero evidence to suggest half the men had rifles and the other half didn't. There's zero evidence to suggest that one man who had a rifle didn't have ammunition, but that the other guy who didn't have the rifle did somehow have ammunition. Tactically it makes no sense to attack like this: surely it makes more sense in this fantasy scenario to have the riflemen shoot while the non-rifle guys run forwards to draw enemy fire. It also makes more sense for them to attack inside the buildings where knives or even unarmed men could grapple with the Germans at close quarters and overwhelm them with "superior numbers".
In addition, we also know that the blocking units were not immediately behind the troops and didn't shoot anywhere near as many men as implied in the film.
So, I'm going to conclude that, if anyone wants to argue that the Soviets charged forwards without enough rifles, they're going to have to provide more evidence than "derp not enough rifles, derp communism".
Cheers!
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One person, who apparently gave his limited and probably warped and/or altered perspective, to you, many years after the events in question, and you are now giving it to me. So, this 2nd hand account at best (assuming the source hadn't forgotten after all these years, or wasn't just telling you what you wanted to hear) vs the perspective of hundreds and thousands of others, who wrote down their experiences at the time as well as later, plus data and statistics, which have been collected by an army of historians (some of whom were also there), along with artifacts, maps and everything else, all of which have been analysed and scrutinized over and over, with debates still going on over it now, constantly evolving the picture to try and get to the truth, which then had been put down in many books, which I have read, and are listed in the pinned comment, all of which contradict what your grandad told you, since what he told you wasn't written in any book, and only exists in the film Enemy at the Gates, which is based on the book of the same name, which itself disagrees with the film.
Yeah, I know what I'd rather trust.
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“Socialism started out being defined as “government ownership of the means of production,” which is why the government of the Soviet Union confiscated all businesses, factories, and farms, murdering millions of dissenters and resistors in the process. It is also why socialist political parties in Europe, once in power, nationalized as many of the major industries (steel, automobiles, coal mines, electricity, telephone services) as they could. The Labour Party in post-World War II Great Britain would be an example of this.” - Dilorenzo, T. “The Problem with Socialism.” Regnery Publishing, Kindle 2016.
“The great majority of those I have asked, all of them qualified to speak with authority, not only give a definition, but their definitions come remarkably close together.” - “Socialism is the public ownership and operation of all the means of production.” - “Socialism ... is the collective ownership, through the state, of all the means of production and distribution.” “Socialism… is a proposed reorganization of industrial society which would substitute for the private ownership of land and the instruments of production public ownership, and for the private direction and management of industry, direction and management through public officials.” - “...the common ownership and operation of substantially all productive instruments.” - “Socialism is the collective ownership and democratic management of the social means of production for the common good.” - “Socialism… is that contemplated system of society which proposes the abolition of private property in the great material instruments of production, and the substitution therefor of collective property; and advocates the collective management of production, together with the distribution of social income by society, and private property in the larger proportion of this social income.” - [And this just goes on and on like this, with numerous people from 1911 saying the exact same thing.] From “The American Economic Review, Vol. 1, No. 2, Papers and Discussions of theTwenty-third Annual Meeting (Apr., 1911), pp. 347-354”
The Labour Party 2017 manifesto’s motto is “For the Many: Not the Few”. https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/labour-manifesto-2017.pdf On Page 4 states - “Labour will invest in the cutting-edge jobs and industries of the future that can improve everybody’s lives. Which is why this manifesto outlines a fully costed programme to upgrade our economy.” “Labour will change the law so that banks can’t close a branch where there is a clear local need, putting their customers first.” - which will increase costs and lower competition, P16. “Reinstate the lower small-business corporation tax rate” - P18. “Widening ownership of our economy” - is the headline on Page 19, stating “Many basic goods and services have been taken out of democratic control through privatisation.” “Bring private rail companies back into public ownership…” “Reverse the privatisation of Royal Mail at the earliest opportunity.” “Public ownership will benefit consumers [by increasing costs and prices, lowering productivity, and increasing taxes for the consumer?], ensuring that their interests are put first and that there is democratic accountability for the service.” That sounds exactly like state control and ownership of the economy.
So, what we have here is a clear definition of socialism. Socialism is the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). This is opposite to capitalism, which is the private (individual, non-state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). Socialism involves the abolishment of private property, state ownership or control of the means of production, and leads to policies like Autarky, nationalisation, and collectivisation. But the principle element is state control of the means of production, which is where the term “public sector” comes into it.
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"@TIK Sir, you are wasting your time with three butheads."
Couldn't agree more. Especially when they write stuff that contradicts what they're saying and proves my point to be correct -
"@TIK Look, a German could and did own property, even as a means of production lol. Krupp being an example. That does not mean your bsuiness couldn't be taken over at any time, or semi-taken over. It depended on your individual connections and loyalty to the party." "These companies were privately owned"
The German did not own his property under the law because, as I quoted above, private property was abolished in 1933. The fact that you could have your business taken off you at any moment in time proves that it didn't belong to private individuals and it belonged to the 'community'. As you said, you had to remain loyal to the party, and the party was the state.
And the companies were not privately owned. They were managed by individuals, but they were owned by the state. See my previous comments.
"Nor can you earn profit in a Socialist society, at least as defined by Marx."
And here's the problem. This wasn't Marxist-Socialism, this was National-Socialism. Profit is allowed under National-Socialism, although was severely constrained, as my previous quotes made it very clear. Also, as I showed in the previous quotes, the Soviet factory leaders were given ample monetary rewards for running their factories efficiently. At that point, what's the difference between profit or reward? Who cares where the money comes from. Money is money. And in both states the business leaders were earning money.
"Nazis/Hitler did not have a coherent economic philosophy"
Yes he did, it was state ownership or control of the means of production (socialism). It was also a 'soil' policy, since he thought that the German-race should have more soil, since Germany didn't have enough. This is why he wanted to go East. Therefore, as I've made clear many times now, his socialism actually resulted in WW2. Without Hitler's socialism you remove the motivation to invade Poland (going East) and thus you fail to explain why Hitler started WW2. WW2 is only possible with Hitler's racial-socialism.
"historian William Shirer explains that in his book on the Third Reich"
Yes and Shirer's book was written in the 60's and may as well have been written by Franz Halder, since he even says in parts that he's just got off the phone to Halder, and he said blah blah blah. Halder was trying to distance the Wehrmacht (and thus himself and his cronies) from National-Socialism so as to protect their skins in the Cold-War. Context is key. The National-Socialists were painted as capitalists, and their socialism was downplayed, because Germany wanted to be seen as a strong anti-Marxist pro-capitalist nation, and the USA wanted to see Germany as that too. The Marxists around the world (and in the Soviet Union) also wanted to deny this heretical form of socialism, and so, history was rewritten by the winners (actually, by the survivors).
"For a socialist, the redistribution of the economy is the end. A totalitarian society that takes wealth at a whim may seem similar to a Communist one because Communist governments take all wealth, but that does not mean they are the same, unless you blur the definitions to be meaningless."
No, that's irrelevant, and it iwho is blurring the definition (or not understanding the definition at all). Socialist parties may have that policy, but socialism actually has a definite definition. That definition is state ownership or control of the economy. I will follow this post up with many quotes showing the true definition and meaning of socialism.
"Soviets made one good design and organized a massive central effort to produce it, leading to a quick massive mobilization of their economy"
See, state ownership and control of the economy.
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“Like Hitler, Backe saw the mission of National Socialism as being the supersession of the rotten rule of the bourgeoisie. Far from being impractical, Backe’s ideology provided a grand historical rationale for the extreme protectionism already implemented by the nationalist agrarians. Far from being backward looking, Backe’s vision assigned to National Socialism the mission of achieving a reconciliations of the unresolved contradictions of nineteenth-century liberalism. It was not National Socialism but the Victorian ideology of the free market that was the outdated relic of a bygone era. After the economic disasters of the early 1930s there was no good reason to cling to such a dangerous archaic doctrine. The future belonged to a new system of economic organization capable of ensuring both the security of the national food supply and the maintenance of a healthy farming community as the source of racial vitality.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P174
[Tooze's Wages of Destruction P179-180] Because Germany didn’t have enough land to feed her population, both Backe and Hitler (and others) wanted to expand eastwards. The local populations were to be impacted by German ‘rearrangement’. “Those left in place were to serve as slave labour on German settler farms. The SS was to be the sword and shield of this settler movement.”
On the 26th of September 1933, Darré and Backe created the “Erbhof” law. [Tooze's Wages of Destruction P182]
“For the purpose of protecting the peasantry as the ‘Blood Source of the German People’, the law proposed to create a new category of farm, the Erbhof (hereditary farm), protected by debt, insulated from market forces and passed down from generation to generation within racially pure peasant families. The law applied to all farms that were sufficient in size to provide a German family with an adequate standard of living (an Achernahrung, later defined as a minimum of c. 7.5 hectares), but did not exceed 125 hectares.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P182
“The term ‘peasant’ (Bauer) was henceforth defined as an honorary title, reserved for those registered on the Role. Those not entered in the Erbhofrolle were henceforth to be referred to merely as ‘farmers’ (Landwirte). Entry in the Rolle protected the Erbhof for ever against the nightmare of repossession. By the same token, it also imposed constraints. Erbhoefe could not be sold. Nor could they be used as security against mortgages. Farms registered as Erbhoefe were thus removed from the free disposal of their immediate owners. Regardless of existing arrangements between spouses, Erbhoefe were to have a single, preferably male, owner who was required to document his line of descent, at least as far back as 1800, the same requirements as for civil servants. ‘Peasants’ were to be of German or ‘similar stock’ (Stammesgleich), a provision that excluded Jews, or anyone of partial Jewish descent.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P182-183
“The line of inheritance was now fixed in law.” P183 [clearly not free-market capitalism]
“Coupled with this extraordinary intervention in the property rights of German peasants was an equally drastic programme of debt reduction. Backe and Darré proposed that the Erbhof farmers should assume collective responsibility for each other’s debts. The debts of all Erbhoefe, variously estimated at between 6 and 9 billion Reichsmarks, were to be transferred to the Rentenbank Kreditanstalt, a state-sponsored mortgage bank. The Rentenbank would repay the original creditors with interest ranging between 2 and 4 per cent depending on the security of the original loan. ” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P183 [no more personal debt for these farmers, but collective debt]
Hitler approved of this plan, despite opposition from Junkers, some peasants and Schacht (as well as others). He then decided that it would go through, after negotiations. P184. Unfortunately for Darré and Schacht, they had to shelve the debt-relief idea and come up with a compromise ‘grant’ scheme instead for peasants who were in debt. P185 They also had to relax the inheritance elements of the law to appease the peasants. P185-186 Rate of enrollment for those farms that fitted the bill was high. It wasn’t enough to ‘transform the structure of land ownership in Germany.” P186 But it did have an impact. “It consolidated a group of farms whose average size nationally was just less than 20 hectares, a figure that was soon to be defined as the ideal size for efficient family farming in the new order of German agriculture.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P186
“The second fundamental step taken by Darré and Backe in the autumn of 1933 was the organization of the Reichsnaehrstand (RNS). It is not too much to say that the setting up of this organization and its associated system of price and production controls marked the end of the free market for agricultural produce in Germany. Agriculture and food production, which until the mid-nineteenth century had been overwhelmingly [-P187] the most important part of the German economy and which still in the 1930s constituted a very significant element of national product, were removed from the influence of market forces. As Backe clearly articulated even before 1933, the mechanism of price-setting was the key. The RNS made use of prices to regulate production.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P186-187
Other counter arguments include Ernst Rohm’s Putsch, where people will say that the Nazis killed socialists. However, this is actually an example of state control, since it is the state cracking down on private businesses and organizations.The ‘socialists’ that Hitler killed were Ernst Röhm and his associates. These were a small number of (1,000) of socialists out of the large SA (3,000,000 strong) who were supposedly planning a coup on Hitler. This was in-fighting within the Party, rather than ideological opponents.
Another counterargument is that Hitler got rid of trade unions. And, at first, getting rid of trade unions looks like an example of getting rid of socialism. But is this really the case? What is a trade union? A trade union is an organization (usually Marxist in nature) of workers (class) who are opposing the employer (class). Since trade unions are based on class and not race, they’re an example of Marxism within capitalism.
Hitler replaces the Marxist (class) trade unions with the racial-state’s “German Labour Front” (DAF). The state is now in control of the workers - a sign of socialism. Since trade unions (private organizations) are no longer around, this is a sign of anti-capitalism, as well as anti-Marxism. It also misses the point that Lenin was against trade unions as well, despite being a Marxist-socialist.
So, with the above quotes, we can see that private property was abolished and that the capitalist businessmen were in trouble. They were not, as some claim, "supporting Hitler" and ruling the roost. They were under the socialist thumb. Similarly we have a heavy-state involvement in land reform in order to ‘socialize’ it. We also have price controls and high taxes restricting any effective ‘capitalism’ that may have been going on in the economy. All this is in addition to the fact that Hitler had restricted Germany’s trade with the world (“international-Jewish-finance” as he called it), severely limiting capitalism. We have the destruction of trade unions (both capitalist and Marxist in nature) and their replacement with the state. Therefore, what we have here is a planned socialist economy, not capitalism.
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Dilorenzo, T. “The Problem with Socialism.” Regnery Publishing, Kindle 2016.
Hazlitt, H. “Economics in One Lesson: The Shortest & Surest Way to Understand Basic Economics.” Three Rivers Press, 1979. (originally published 1946)
Hitler. A. “Mein Kampf.” Jaico Books, 2017.
Muravchik, J. “Heaven on Earth: The Rise and Fall of Socialism.” Encounter Books, Kindle
Reimann, G. “The Vampire Economy: Doing Business under Fascism.” Kindle, Mises Institute, 2007. Originally written in 1939.
Temin, P. “Soviet and Nazi Economic Planning in the 1930s.” From The Economic History Review, New Series, Vol. 44, No. 4 (Nov., 1991), pp. 573-593 (21 pages). Jstor. https://www.jstor.org/stable/2597802?seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents
Tooze, A. “Wages of Destruction: The Making & Breaking of The Nazi Economy.” Penguin Books, 2007.
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By law, individuals couldn't own property. Therefore, they cannot own businesses. The 'privatization' that took place, in fact, is a slight of hand. And there are many instances where the government exercised their power by seizing a person's personal property or businesses. The Nazis nationalized industries that didn't do as they insisted, then 're-privatized' them. But in reality those businesses could only function as part of the state, and were under control by the state, and weren't really owned by their owners.
"The Nazis viewed private property as conditional on its use - not as a fundamental right. If the property was not being used to further Nazi goals, it could be nationalized.” Temin, P576
“Prof. Junkers of the Junkers aeroplane factory refused to follow the government’s bidding in 1934. The Nazis thereupon took over the plant, compensating Junkers for his loss. This was the context in which other contracts were negotiated.” Temin, P576-577
“Manufacturers in Germany were panic-stricken when they heard of the experiences of some industrialists who were more or less expropriated [had their property seized] by the State. These industrialists were visited by State auditors who had strict orders to “examine” the balance sheets and all bookkeeping entries of the company (or individual businessman) for the preceding two, three, or more years until some error or false entry was found. The slightest formal mistake was punished with tremendous penalties. A fine of millions of marks was imposed for a single bookkeeping error. Obviously, the examination of the books was simply a pretext for partial expropriation of the private capitalist with a view to complete expropriation and seizure of the desired property later. The owner of the property was helpless, since under fascism there is no longer an independent judiciary that protects the property rights of private citizens against the state. The authoritarian State has made it a principle that private property is no longer sacred.” - Reimann, Chapter II (no page number, as on Kindle)
Reimann, in 1939, quotes from a German businessman’s letter to an American businessman -
“The difference between this and the Russian system is much less than you think, despite the fact that officially we are still independent businessmen.” “Some businessmen have even started studying Marxist theories, so that they will have a better understanding of the present economic system.” “How can we possibly manage a firm according to business principles if it is impossible to make any predictions as to the prices at which goods are to be bought and sold? We are completely dependent on arbitrary Government decisions concerning quantity, quality and prices for foreign raw materials.” “You cannot imagine how taxation has increased. Yet everyone is afraid to complain about it. The new State loans are nothing but confiscation of private property, because no one believed that the Government will ever make repayment, nor even pay interest after the first few years.” “We businessmen still make sufficient profit, sometimes even large profits, but we never know how much we are going to be able to keep…”
“The decree of February 28, 1933, nullified article 153 of the Weimar Constitution which guaranteed private property and restricted interference with private property in accordance with certain legally defined conditions … The conception of property has experienced a fundamental change. The individualistic conception of the State - a result of the liberal spirit - must give way to the concept that communal welfare precedes individual welfare. (Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz).” - Reimann, quoting from Jahrbuch des Oeffentlichen Rechtes der Gegenward, ed. by Otto Koellreuther (1935), p. 267.
“There exists no law which binds the State. The State can do what it regards as necessary, because it has the authority.” “The next stage of National-Socialist economic policy consists of replacing capitalist laws by policy.” - Fritz Nonnenbruch, the financial editor of the Voelkischer Beobachter (quoted by Reimann).
“The life of the German businessman is full of contradictions. He cordially dislikes the gigantic, top-heavy, bureaucratic State machine which is strangling his economic independence. Yet he needs the aid of these despised bureaucrats more and more, and is forced to run after them, begging for concessions, privileges, grants, in fear that his competitor will gain the advantage.” - Reimann
“Such a system also changes the psychology of businessmen. Their experiences teach them that the old right of property no longer exists. They find themselves compelled to respect the “national interest” or the “welfare of the community.”” “Businessmen must claim that everything they do, any new business for which they want a certificate, any preferment in the supply of raw materials, etc., is “in the interest of the national community.”” - Reimann
Schacht centralized and heavily regulated the electricity production industry, which then sparked a new plan of economic administration. This was all in 1935. [Tooze's Wages of Destruction P111-112]
"...in practice the Reichsbank and the Reich Ministry of Economic Affairs had no intention of allowing the radical activists of the SA, the shopfloor militants of the Nazi party or Gauleiter commissioners to dictate the course of events. Under the slogan of the 'strong state', the ministerial bureaucracy fashioned a new national structure of economic regulation." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112
“We worked and governed with incredible elan. We really ruled. For the bureaucrats of the Ministry the contrast to the Weimar Republic was stark. Party chatter in the Reichstag was no longer heard. The language of the bureaucracy was rid of the paralysing formula: technically right but politically impossible.” - Schacht, speaking of the situation after 1933. Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112-113
"It would be absurd to deny the reality of this shift. The crisis of corporate capitalism in the course of the Great Depression did permanently alter the balance of power. Never again was big business to influence the course of government in German as directly as it did between the outbreak of World War I in 1914 and the onset of the Depression in 1929. The Reich's economic administration, for its part, accumulated unprecedented powers of national economic control." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P113
“Control over domestic resources was paralleled by centralized control over imports. Both countries [Nazi and Soviet] controlled and restricted international trade.” Temin, P580
"Both governments reorganized industry into larger units, ostensibly to increase state control over economic activity. The Nazis reorganized industry into 13 administrative groups with a large number of subgroups to create a private hierarchy for state control. The state therefore could direct the firms’ activities without acquiring direct ownership of enterprises. The pre-existing tendency to form cartels was encouraged to eliminate competition that would destabilize prices.” Temin, P582-583
“The Soviets had made a similar move in the 1920s. Faced with a scarcity of administrative personnel, the state encouraged enterprises to combine into trusts and trusts to combine into syndicates. These large units continued into the 1930s where they were utilized to bridge the gap between overall plans and actual production.” Temin, P583
"“... this difference was not important to many decisions. The incentives for managers - both positive and negative - were very similar in the two countries. Consequently, their responses to the [Four or Five Year] plans were also similar. In neither case did the managers set the goals of the plans.” Temin, P590-591
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But if the men are never at fault, then how can you say "individual men might be impossible to deal with"? That's a direct contradiction.
No, someone who's never been in a leadership position will think that the men are never the problem, but that is why middle management exist in the first place - to deal with the problems caused by the men or workers. This applies in the military and in the civilian sector. Those at the bottom never see themselves as doing anything wrong, but they do things wrong all the time. Two individuals do not work as hard as each other, and this (not even including bad or poor behaviour) leads to conflict. Management and leaders have to deal with that conflict. And if they don't, they take responsibility for not dealing with it, which is why they get paid more - to take on that responsibility.
And no, the order didn't order the men to advance at gunpoint - I explained that to be a myth in the video. The guns weren't at their backs, they were miles behind the lines preventing those individuals you spoke about from fleeing the battlefield. The men were allowed to retreat during a failed assault, or to fall back if necessary, as happened many times at Stalingrad. The men knew though that they had to keep fighting, even if they fell back, because they couldn't rout or flee.
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1. Not a "communist apologist", whatever that means. 2. If you want clarification, all you have to do is ask for it nicely.
The order targets the officers. Why? Because it's a middle-management technique. Anyone who has been a manager will know that sometimes it's not the men that are the problem. In this case, the soldiers were being encouraged and ordered to retreat by some officers who were looking to save their own skins, and they were getting away with it. Therefore the order was given basically said "no, the officers will be punished now for retreating".
This forced the officers to stand their ground regardless of the situation, meaning they then turned to their soldiers and had to force them in line too. If they failed in this, they would be shot.
So yes, it does impact the soldiers too, but they weren't the primary target. In fact, there's plenty of evidence that says the men were happy with the order because they were sick to death of retreats and defeats. The men wanted to fight for their nation but felt betrayed by their officers. This order gave the Red Army a backbone.
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"The first: if you want to cite something - cite sources. University of Kansas is nobody (as you are or I am) when talking about WW2 without contemporary sources."
University of Kansas is the publisher. David Glantz is the author. As Robert Citino has stated, we're in the "Glantz era" of WW2 Eastern Front historiography. Why? Because Glantz (and his co-author House) has redefined what history books on the subject should be. They're massively detailed, packed full of sources, and pull no punches. The fact you're claiming that I'm not citing sources when I actually did, and I cited one of the leading experts in the field, is proof that you have little knowledge on the subject.
Plus, the numbers in Glantz's book come from some German sources, but also Krivosheev's "Grif sekretnosti sniat: Poteri Vooruzhennykh sil SSSR v voinakh, boeykh deistviiakh i voennykh konfliktakh." Moscow: Voenizdat, 1993, pages 152-153. Plus Krivosheev's "Velikaia Otechestvennaia bez grifa sekretnosti: Kniga poter' - Noveishee spavochnoe izdanie." Moscow: Veche, 2009, pages 25 and 39-40. Plus numbers from other sources, including the Central Party Archives of the Institute of Marxism and Leninism.
"But if you cite some researchers you must be aware that there are many of them with different claims and different sources."
Yes, absolutely. My library of books confirms this https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/114GiK85MPs0v4GKm0izPj3DL2CrlJUdAantx5GQUKn8/edit?usp=sharing
"So one of my sources is http://militera.lib.ru/research/meltyukhov/index.html where you can find sources upon which conclusions are made and verify those sources. And they aren't University of Kansas but contemporary soviet sources which can be easily verified."
Yes, because random Russian internet sources are reliable. No chance of sources being altered or anything to suit an agenda. And Soviet sources are clearly 100% reliable. As you said yourself "You just repeat every myth made by soviet propaganda" and yet you're willingly trusting them? Besides as shown, Glantz lists his sources and a lot of them are Soviet, but unlike those who use sources from one side (e.g. just German, or just Soviet), he and his team compare them to German statistics and come to a more balanced conclusion.
A good example is that another Russian commenter told me that my version of Mein Kampf was incorrect. Apparently the Russian version neglects to mention the part where Hitler says he has read Karl Marx and agreed with his views on class conflict (although disagreed on how to solve it). This is a distortion - a way of distancing the socialism of National Socialism from the socialism of Marxist Socialism. So yes, I'd be quite wary of Soviet/Russian sources if I were you.
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"You just repeat every myth made by soviet propaganda."
So you're saying I should have listened to the National Socialist propaganda of the Germans rather than the Marxist-Socialist propaganda of the Soviet Union.
"You say soviets were outnumbered before the war. The truth - they weren't."
22/06/1941 - 2,743,000 Soviets on the Eastern Front (from a military of 5,700,000) vs 3,957,910 Axis troops (3,118,910 of them German, and the German military was 7,309,000 men strong at this point). Source: Glantz, D. “When Titan’s Clashed.” University Press of Kansas, 2015.
"You may use wiki to find that out."
And who writes wikipedia? Yes, that's right, you can't trust wikipedia.
"You say their army was unprepared. And that's not the case. Their army was completely prepared .... but not to defense they were prepared to strike Germany. And so on...."
Nope, totally false. I've covered this in numerous videos all backed with sources listed in their Pinned Comments -
Soviet "War-Winning" Tanks in 1941? The Role of Tanks on the Eastern Front WW2 https://youtu.be/DkDiYuWlgV8
Why You NEED to Think Critically | Suvorov and Keitel's "Preemptive Strike" 1941 Idea https://youtu.be/TyANHGWbUHA
How BIG were Soviet Armies and Divisions in 1942? And what impact did this have? https://youtu.be/wDslsMgnphI
The State of Soviet Artillery on the Eve of Operation Barbarossa WW2 https://youtu.be/dprGvO5GG9c
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Except, the Nazis outnumbered the Soviets for the first 5 months of the war. For example, on the 22nd June 1941, the Soviets had 2,743,000 men, and the Axis had 3,957,910 men (3.1 million Germans).
Source: Table N of Glantz, D. "When Titan's Clashed." University Press of Kansas, 2015.
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"You've got to realize that the reason why your political content has taken such flak is not because of some marxist conspiracy, these people have a point."
No they don't. They have a misguided definition of socialism. And when I've pointed this out to people, they don't like it.
"You are making the argument, and this has been repeated to you many times, that socialism is when the government does stuff, and capitalism is when the government doesn't do stuff. That's not what socialism is."
That is actually the historic definition prior to 1956. After 1956 (when the Hungarian Revolution came about) Marxists tried to distort the definition to distance themselves from it because they realised that government-ownership of the means of production wasn't working. You can actually see this in the historiography, and it is the beginning of the postmodernist (Marxist political) movement.
"You're clearly really under-read on the topic."
After all the criticism I went back and did a ton more reading/research, thinking that maybe I was wrong. Turns out I wasn't. My definition of socialism is the correct version. And my analysis of the Nazi economy, the Holocaust and WW2 is correct. Without racial-socialism you cannot have the Holocaust or WW2.
"I know your schedule is busy, but slot in reading "the communist manifesto", or "the state and revolution", or "foundations of leninism" if you need supplemental material."
That's Marxism, not socialism. Let me show you the difference -
Socialism is the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). If it is the social (worker's state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy), then it's Marxism (which is what you think 'socialism' is). If it is the social (German/Aryan people's state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy), then it is National Socialism.
"Socialism isn't fascism."
National-Socialism and fascism are two different things.
"[Socialism] demands a democracy, and constantly transitioning towards communism; all other roads lead to capitalist restoration as we've seen in the late USSR, late China, North Korea- these are no longer communist countries, or socialist countries."
No, Marxism may demand that, but that's not socialism. Those states you listed are all socialist because the state owned the means of production. They were not capitalist economies because capitalism is the private (individual, non-state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). Those states were social-worker-states, and didn't allow private ownership in theory (except in some policies like the NEP, but on principle they were aiming to abolish capitalism).
"You can keep on as you're doing with great history, but without bringing up your political level you'll never be able to interpret this history in an accurate way- leading to the flak you've been justifiably receiving."
But it's not justifiable. That is the problem. I have socialists critizing my definition of socialism, but directly contradicting themselves. And this is what happens when you try to distort history, which is what the Marxists are trying to do. When you dig into their analysis and question what they're saying, their distorted version of history starts to fall apart. It's like the people claiming that the Nazis 'privatized' the economy. Well, hold on, if they privatized the economy (and that's capitalism) then non-privatization (or nationalization) would be socialism. Since nationalisation is state ownership of the economy, then it makes sense that socialism is the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). This is apart from the fact that the Nazis didn't privatize the economy, and that is, in fact, another distortion of history which the people spouting that they privatized the economy have got wrong (probably deliberately).
I made mistakes in those two videos, and I will rectify them. However, the basic premise remains - Nationalsocialism was socialism because it was state ownership and control of the economy.
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"Socialism is worker control of the means of production."
No it isn't. That's Marxism. Here's the definition of socialism -
Google’s definition of socialism - “a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.”
“any economic or political system based on government ownership and control of important businesses and methods of production” “an economic, political, and social system that is based on the belief that all people are equal and should share equally in a country's money:” https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/socialism
“1. any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods” “2. a system of society or group living in which there is no private property” “b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state” “: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done” https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism
“Socialism is a set of left-wing political principles whose general aim is to create a system in which everyone has an equal opportunity to benefit from a country's wealth. Under socialism, the country's main industries are usually owned by the state.” “1.
an economic theory or system in which the means of production, distribution, and exchange are owned by the community collectively, usually through the state. It is characterized by production for use rather than profit, by equality of individual wealth, by the absence of competitive economic activity, and, usually, by government determination of investment, prices, and production levels” “2. any of various social or political theories or movements in which the common welfare is to be achieved through the establishment of a socialist economic system” “3. (in Leninist theory) a transitional stage after the proletarian revolution in the development of a society from capitalism to communism: characterized by the distribution of income according to work rather than need”
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/socialism
“1 A political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.” “The term ‘socialism’ has been used to describe positions as far apart as anarchism, Soviet state Communism, and social democracy; however, it necessarily implies an opposition to the untrammelled workings of the economic market. The socialist parties that have arisen in most European countries from the late 19th century have generally tended towards social democracy” https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/socialism
“An economic system in which goods and services are provided through a central system of cooperative and/or government ownership rather than through competition and a free market system.”
http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/socialism.html
“Socialism, social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources."
https://www.britannica.com/topic/socialism
“Socialism started out being defined as “government ownership of the means of production,” which is why the government of the Soviet Union confiscated all businesses, factories, and farms, murdering millions of dissenters and resistors in the process. It is also why socialist political parties in Europe, once in power, nationalized as many of the major industries (steel, automobiles, coal mines, electricity, telephone services) as they could. The Labour Party in post-World War II Great Britain would be an example of this.” - Dilorenzo, T. “The Problem with Socialism.” Regnery Publishing, Kindle 2016.
“The great majority of those I have asked, all of them qualified to speak with authority, not only give a definition, but their definitions come remarkably close together.” - “Socialism is the public ownership and operation of all the means of production.” - “Socialism ... is the collective ownership, through the state, of all the means of production and distribution.” “Socialism… is a proposed reorganization of industrial society which would substitute for the private ownership of land and the instruments of production public ownership, and for the private direction and management of industry, direction and management through public officials.” - “...the common ownership and operation of substantially all productive instruments.” - “Socialism is the collective ownership and democratic management of the social means of production for the common good.” - “Socialism… is that contemplated system of society which proposes the abolition of private property in the great material instruments of production, and the substitution therefor of collective property; and advocates the collective management of production, together with the distribution of social income by society, and private property in the larger proportion of this social income.” - [And this just goes on and on like this, with numerous people from 1911 saying the exact same thing.] From “The American Economic Review, Vol. 1, No. 2, Papers and Discussions of theTwenty-third Annual Meeting (Apr., 1911), pp. 347-354”
The Labour Party 2017 manifesto’s motto is “For the Many: Not the Few”. https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/labour-manifesto-2017.pdf On Page 4 states - “Labour will invest in the cutting-edge jobs and industries of the future that can improve everybody’s lives. Which is why this manifesto outlines a fully costed programme to upgrade our economy.” “Labour will change the law so that banks can’t close a branch where there is a clear local need, putting their customers first.” - which will increase costs and lower competition, P16. “Reinstate the lower small-business corporation tax rate” - decreasing the chance of small businesses and start-ups, creating an economy, P18. “Widening ownership of our economy” - is the headline on Page 19, stating “Many basic goods and services have been taken out of democratic control through privatisation.” “Bring private rail companies back into public ownership…” “Reverse the privatisation of Royal Mail at the earliest opportunity.” “Public ownership will benefit consumers [by increasing costs and prices, lowering productivity, and increasing taxes for the consumer?], ensuring that their interests are put first and that there is democratic accountability for the service.” That sounds exactly like state control and ownership of the economy.
So, what we have here is a clear definition of socialism. Socialism is the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). This is opposite to capitalism, which is the private (individual, non-state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). Socialism involves the abolishment of private property, state ownership or control of the means of production, and leads to policies like Autarky, nationalisation, and collectivisation. But the principle element is state control of the means of production, which is where the term “public sector” comes into it.
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"Caricature" noun
1. a picture, description, or imitation of a person in which certain striking characteristics are exaggerated in order to create a comic or grotesque effect.
"a crude caricature of the Prime Minister"
synonyms: cartoon, distorted/exaggerated drawing, distortion...
verb
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make or give a caricature of.
"he was famous enough to be caricatured by Private Eye"
synonyms: parody, satirize, lampoon, mimic, ridicule, mock, make fun of, burlesque...
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Ah ok. Don't watch TV anymore (since uni) so forgot about that channel. But no, I'm British and have no affiliation with the Soviets, communists, or Russia. But by the same token, I've no affiliation with biased German sources either, and definitely don't trust Hollywood. Instead, I get my facts from the books, and the books used for this video are listed in the pinned comment. As stated in the video 158,000 Red Army soldiers were shot by their own men, so this isn't a nice regime by any standards. However, it wasn't as stupid as shown in the film Enemy at the Gates (the book by the same name that the film is based off also doesn't say the Soviets charged forward with one rifle OR ammunition, so it's a load of rubbish).
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The Soviets had 2,743,000 men at the front on 22nd June 1941, vs 3,118,910 German + 839,000 Axis allied troops (total 3,957,910 Axis). The first time the Soviets have more men than the Axis is in early December 1941. They send a lot to the front, but the Axis always have more men then them (which helps explain why they had the advantage). So yes, a surprise attack against an smaller army at any one moment in time, plus the fact that this army was also in the middle of a mobilization and reorganization effort and was thus completely unprepared for war. It's no wonder they got beat. But it's also interesting that once the Germans no longer have numerical superiority, they begin to get beat back.
Source for the numbers -
Glantz, D. “When Titan’s Clashed.” University Press of Kansas, 2015. Table N Comparative Strengths of Combat Forces, Soviet German Front 1941-1945
Also, see the sources I listed in the pinned comment where I got all my information from for the video.
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Maybe deaths, but not casualties. Depending on which source you use (in this case When Titan's Clashed) military deaths for the Soviets were 10,008,434 (just deaths). This means 158,000 is 1.57% of all military deaths the Soviets took, which is still a small ratio. It's certainly not 100% of deaths as implied in the film Enemy at the Gates.
However, I also want to point out that total military losses for the Soviets alone were 28,199,127 (this is killed, captured, wounded and sick). So 158,000 is just 0.56% of the Soviet military losses for the entire war. And this is just Soviet military deaths and losses, not including all the other powers. And all this assumes that 158,000 is the correct figure, which may not be the case since it's disputed. It could be higher, but it also could be lower. At this moment in time, we don't know for certain, but that's the best guess we have now.
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"Rational Egoism will not work because we are irrational, emotional Primates, controlled by our subconsciousness up to ca 80% meaning our decision-making is tied to our lifelong experience... social, Culture, upbringing, friend, family and so on and so forth."
We're not "irrational" creatures at all. You might be, but I'm certainly not. True, we're not emotionless, and there are subconscious activities going on (e.g. breathing or digestion are automatic processes). However, what separates us from every other animal is our conscious ability to use logic and reason. Our decision-making is tied to experience, and that experience is of objective reality.
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"Rand does not like: Altruism or Collectivism... and the state that controls what companies can do or don't."
I don't like them either. Charity is a selfish act, since you only give to charity for your own benefit. You want to feel good, or look good in the eyes of your community, or in the eyes of God. You're not giving to charity out of a genuine principle of anti-self, you're giving to charity purely for yourself. And you can only give to charity if you have something to give, which you could only obtain if you selfishly pursued the obtainment of the thing you're giving to charity. So altruism is nonsense and self-refuting. You want to FEEL like you're helping others, proving that you're doing it for selfish reasons. Collectivism is the same, but I won't get into that here.
I came to this conclusion BEFORE I read Rand. Reading Rand helped me see even more flaws in the altruistic religion, but a lot of the flaws were obvious beforehand.
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"the inhuman philosophy of Rand"
No, yours is a inhuman philosophy. You're denying what makes us human - our conscious, rational power to use logic and reason. You have denied this quality, denying the fundamental nature of man.
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"It's good that objectivism has helped you with the burnout... but as somebody working in the Fields of helping people that fight with Borderline, psychosis, or Antisocial personality disorder..."
I can tell you don't have much success with curing these borderline, psychosis, or Antisocial personality disorders, since it is your ideology that's causing them. I know because this was where your ideology was driving me - I used to believe in the same ideology you now believe in.
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"your fix for burnout may be only a Band-aid"
It is not. History is impossible if it is Subjective. If it's all just irrational "opinions" of inhuman primates then there is no truth, and thus there is no point to history. This was what was causing the burnout. Only by overcoming the Subjectivism did the burnout go away. It's not a band-aid, it's the reestablishment of truth, of history, and of purpose.
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"please do yourself a favor and check some professionals"
The problem is an epistemological issue, not a therapy issue.
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"(My Helpersyndrom is forcing me to write this)"
I'm not being forced to write this. I'm writing this in the hope that I can get through to you and make you see the error of your ways. I cannot break you out of the wizard's circle, you must realise you're within it and take the first step.
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"Because you said in your Video here you worked 12 Hours a Day..."
Beforehand, when history was impossible, this was a grind. Now that history has been saved, working 12 hour days is truly liberating! I have meaning and purpose again!
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If the Objectivists are a cult, perhaps you could tell me the name of one of the Gods they worship?
Bearing in mind that I've already looked into Objectivism to some extent, and I'm not really seeing any "cultish" elements so far. I've heard people who are dead-set against the Objectivists say there are cultish elements in the Objectivist movement, but I've heard these same people call me a "crypto-fascist" and a load of other nonsense. They said the same thing about the Austrian School, or the Red Pill (dating) community, none of which is true. The criticism seems to be coming from people who have done ZERO reading on the particular topic.
Even if I read the Objectivist literature, or the Austrian School literature, or the Red Pill community literature, or anything else, that doesn't mean I'm not thinking critically as I'm doing so. I don't just believe everything I read, nor do I shy away from a subject just because other people have told me not to read into it. Every time I have read into a topic people have told me not to read into, I've been pleasantly surprised by the information that lied within, but also left wondering what the big deal was. Why are people so scared of reading into viewpoints that are not their own?
And you're assuming I haven't listened to Christian thinkers, even though I have. I think you know full well that the Objectivists are highly critical of Christianity, and that's why you're calling it a cult: you don't want people to hear viewpoints that question Christianity, and this is because you're projecting. You yourself are having doubts about your faith, and are scared of losing your faith, and so you self-censor. As Eric Voegelin said: it's the self-censorship of the adherents. If you were strong in your faith, you would have nothing to fear from reading literature that was critical of it.
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But this isn't the end of the war. The strategy you're talking about wasn't employed yet. As I showed in my fully-sourced and nearly complete 35 hour documentary series on Stalingrad, the encirclement at Stalingrad was far more nuanced than many of the old histories made it out to be. Hitler didn't make decisions on his own - Halder, Zeitzler, Göring, Paulus, von Weichs, Jeschonnek, and many more generals, made the decisions WITH Hitler. Yet, for some strange reason, only Hitler gets the blame. Isn't that strange?
As I showed in my Courland Pocket series, Hitler was trying to pull as many troops out of the encirclement as possible, but simply wasn't able to do so. Yet he got blamed for not pulling the men out, even though he physically couldn't. Again, isn't that strange?
Obviously, this isn't to say that Hitler didn't make mistakes, or that he was "right" (he wasn't). But a lot of the old narratives have been shown to be faulty thanks to the opening of the Soviet archives, plus a reexamination of the evidence by newer historians who aren't being pressured by the Cold War to make the German High Command look better than it actually was. And that's the crucial part - the High Command was EQUALLY to blame for the disasters, but is often overlooked due to the biases of the Cold War.
6th Army was also not a "manouver" army - it was mainly infantry. It only had one mobile corps, and one other panzer division transferred from 4th Panzer Army.
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@akivaabraham7739 Yes, it was blocked. I found it in the "held for review" section and have now approved it and should be visible to all. Sick to death of YouTube censorship...
Now, to your points, and I'll start with a simple lesson in logic. You cannot be both born and not born. If you were born, you're not not-born. Thus, a contradiction means that something is wrong, and therefore cannot be right. In truth, contradictions are unacceptable because something either is right or it is wrong, there is no in-between. And in case you try to argue that there is an in-between, then there can be no right and wrong, and thus no sin or virtue, since everything is in between... So, you would self-refute your own argument if you tried to argue that there is no right and wrong, or that contradictions don't indicate something being wrong.
In the case of the Bible having inherent contradictions within it - yes. There are many contradictions in the Bible and Christian theology, from simple things like Paul contradicting the teachings of Jesus himself, to the fact that we can't have free will and Original Sin at the same time. Your response of just accepting the contradictions is an admission that you are wrong and have no answer. It is an admission that you have lost the debate. You say:
"Forks in the road exist. The destinations of those forks are known. Which road one will choose does not exist. God cannot be ignorant of that which does not exist."
But this cannot be right. If forks in the road exist, and the destinations are known, and we get to choose which road to go down, then God cannot be driving our actions or know the end result, which means he is not all-encompassing and all-knowing. And, if like the Molinists say, that God has imparted free will into us, then Original Sin still doesn't make any sense, since we are free not to sin, making Jesus and Christianity as a whole superfluous. You cannot get around these inherent contradictions, which means that something is wrong with this doctrine.
In response to my point that good and evil are arbitrary, you responded: "It is simply favouritism. Its up to him, & you don't have to like it." That is an admission that I'm correct; there is no good and evil in the world, since God decided what was good and evil arbitrarily. And if he can decide arbitrarily, and we have free will, then we can also decide what we consider good and evil, making God himself also superfluous. We cannot have Original Sin, since sin is arbitrary by definition.
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"...God's subjective morality becomes all encompassing. The arbitrariness no longer applies... there is nothing besides God."
Your argument relies on the idea that God is all encompassing, plus the consequential idea that our actions are determined by God (determinism). But there is a contradiction inherent within this doctrine.
If God is all encompassing and determines our actions, then he controls us. We no longer have free will to do what we want; our consciousness is just along for the ride, as every action is pre-taken by God. He knows everything that will happen in advance, and you are not capable of making a choice.
Well, when Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit, God punished their offspring with 'Original Sin'. We're all sinners because our ancestors disobeyed God.
But is this really the case? If God is all encompassing, then it wasn't our ancestors that ate the forbidden fruit - it was God! God determined in advance that Adam and Eve would eat the fruit, thus it wasn't them that chose to eat the fruit, God had chosen for them. They didn't have free will because God is actually the one pulling the strings.
God is punishing us because of the actions of our ancestors (which doesn't make sense anyway) even though neither they nor we have the free will to chose not to be sinful. This begs the question: how can God hold man responsible for evil if man doesn’t have the free will to avoid it, and God made him do it?
The alternative is to say that Adam and Even, and subsequently ourselves, do actually have free will, and thus can be punished. But if that's the case, God is not all encompassing, and not deterministic, and also not omnipotent. God is, therefore, limited - which goes against the idea of God as this all-powerful being. Also, if Adam was free to sin, then we are free not to sin, which means we're not inherently evil. Adam only became evil AFTER he ate the fruit, proving that he wasn't born evil. Thus, we don't need Jesus Christ to save us from Original Sin, since we're not born with Original Sin. And even if we were, why is God punishing us all for the sin of one?
Now, you may turn around and say that your God is not the Christian God. Fair enough. But the same concept applies to other faiths. If there is an all-encompassing God (or Gods), then everything is pre-determined by Him (or them), at which point we have no free will, and thus cannot be punished for our sins, which means none of us, or our actions, are evil. You cannot say that Hitler is evil if God hasn't given Hitler free will, because it would be God that made him do the things he did.
And if God made him do those things, then there is no concept of good and evil - it's all arbitrary. As you said, the idea of a monotheistic God eliminates plurality - eliminates multiple-choice. If God stands for everything that's good, and he creates evil, then 'good' and 'evil' are both one and the same. And at this point, everything becomes irrelevant. There are no morals, no ethics, nothing! We're only left with God. Our actions and choices are completely meaningless, and we cannot be punished for them, since they're not ours to make. Our lives are totally outside of our control, so there's no point even having this discussion.
And I would say that this is a bigger contradiction than anything you said about Ayn Rand :)
Your point about my work on Gnosticism doesn't hold, since my mind is limited and inconsistent, and your mind is limited and inconsistent, then you shouldn't accept my arguments, since they are inherently incorrect. Your own conclusions are inherently incorrect too due to your limited and inconsistent mind, and so we're living in a swamp of irrationality. Nobody is right, everybody is wrong. At which point, we cannot determine whether history happened or not, and so my work is all pointless. I may as well give it all up... which is actually the reason why I'm looking into Objectivism, because the ultimate conclusion of Subjectivism is that history is impossible.
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For starters, I'm not currently an Objectivist. I'm looking into it, but I've not embraced it as of yet. So most of your arguments here are mute because you've assumed I'm an Objectivist when I'm not.
Secondly, religious morality is arbitrary. God decides what is good or not completely at his whim, and all you've done is deferred the question of where we get our moral compass from to someone else. Why should God decide? Why not me, or you, or someone else? It's all equally as arbitrary. So why not let each individual create their own moral compass?
Thirdly, if our senses are as faulty and untrustworthy as you and Kant claim, and if our minds are part of our sense organs (which they are - our brains are nerves attached to the rest of the body) then we cannot trust our minds either. Now, thanks to this argument, both our senses and our minds are faulty and untrustworthy. But, if our minds are bad, then how can faith be anything other than an illusion? The concept of God is a concept of the mind - belief requires a working brain. Without the mind, faith in God is impossible, rendering God impossible too.
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Probably. For a balanced mid-war German division, you'll want two tank battlaions, four infantry battalions, three artillery battalions, ome recon battalion, one anti-tank battalion, one engineer battalion, one signals battalion, one supply/logistics battalion, and probably one anti-aircraft battalion.
If you want a more modern armoured division, you'll want three tank battlaions, six infantry battalions, six artillery battalions, four reconnaissance battalions, four anti-tank battalions, four engineer battalions, one signals battalion, four supply/logistics battalions (which you can't have), and two to four anti-aircraft battalions.
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Huh... Well, that's just stupid. You know, for my order of battle video for Operation Crusader, I've already had to change the names of the other non-tank units in order for them to make sense. So for example, 1st Battalion The Black Watch Regiment, became simply the 1st Black Watch Battalion. This is far simpler, and makes a lot more sense. Plus, anyone watching it who knew better could instantly tell what I'd done, so everyone could follow along.
However, since at no point in any of the literature was it mentioned that these tank units were anything but regiments, I referred to them as regiments. If I'd known, I would have changed their names and called them battalions. In fact, that's exactly what I'm going to do in my main Crusader video - 4th RTR will be called "4th Royal Tank Battalion", whether people are happy with that or not. Despite my love for historical accuracy, I'm not willing to confuse viewers, simply because the British Army decided to use an abysmal naming system.
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Halder didn't like Rommel and so selected him to go to North Africa to get rid of him. However, he did go over the head of Halder, and Hitler even defended him on occasions - putting Halder in his place prior to Crusader. So, it's reasonable to assume that Hitler had Rommel's back, even if the priority was the East.
It's interesting that you bring up the Panzer 2 because I was going to do a video (may still do it) where I'll show why the Panzer 2 was definitely a decent tank in both France and Africa (basically early war). But you're incorrect, the majority of the tanks Rommel had were Panzer 3 and 4 tanks. Yes, a portion were Panzer 2, but as I said, these were still useful vs the British.
Also, just because the priority was the Eastern Front (since that was the main front of the war) doesn't mean North wasn't important at all. And it definitely was important. It leads to numerous issues for both the British and later the Americans. Plus it leads onto the Italian Campaign, which resulted in the topple of Mussolini.
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by me telling untrue things. I let the sources dictate my view of things, and the sources are pointing me in a certain direction. I don't mind people disagreeing, so long as you're civil about it (most aren't when they disagree, and it ruins the discussion). But I will ask you to clarify what you mean by what "untrue things" I tell, and explain how I'm "just trying" and why "that won't cut it". You've read the sources I list in the pinned comments, right?
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"Question: how much of a factor was it that Churchill had decided by this point that the Nazis had been defeated and that therefore Stalin was certain to be the West's main post-war enemy."
Great question, but honestly I'm not sure. I know Dresden made him question the idea of area bombing, so he knew that the war was coming to an end, but I haven't looked into his views on Stalin and the Iron Curtain yet. It's something I need to do reading on.
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"Among the reasons for incinerating Dresden , according to two sources cited in the Wikipedia article, was: "to show the Russians when they arrive what Bomber Command can do." "
I've actually just replied to someone else about this, so I'll copy and paste my reply here:
TLDR: it's probably not true, but it may have been a factor.
So, for time purposes I cut out this discussion because it's somewhat complicated and I'm not convinced it was one of the main reasons for the attack on Dresden, if it was a reason at all. I would say that the politicians and Bomber Harris didn't discuss this reason, but some of the veterans did say that they went to Dresden to show the Soviets how powerful the west was. The problem is that these accounts were all written well after the war was over, during the Cold War, which may have influenced their opinions. And the only contemporary evidence we have for this view is this:
“The intentions of the attack are to hit the enemy where he will feel it most, behind an already partially collapsed front, to prevent the use of the city in the way of further advance, and incidentally to show the Russians when they arrive what Bomber Command can do.” - Part of the briefing to the squadrons prior to the Dresden raid, quoted from Taylor, “Dresden,” p464.
However, this statement is problematic because it actually contradicts other evidence we have, and also doesn't make logical sense. If they were going to show the Soviets how powerful they were, why didn't they keep bombing German cities in the East right up until the last day of the war? It just seems a little strange. So, it's more likely that the crews got told this because the Soviets had asked them to bomb Dresden and this might have been a way for the junior officers to flex. But I don't think it really played into the reason why Dresden was targeted specifically.
For a full discussion on this, read Frederick Taylor's book on Dresden, pages 463-466.
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"We allied with Marxists and gave them half of Europe and called it a victory for democracy"
Who is "we"? I did nothing of the sort.
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"History (as taught) is literally a bunch of lies that makes no sense of any kind to even the least enquiring of minds"
Yes, and that's the fault of the state ownership of the means of (academic) production. In a free market system, the state propaganda ministries (the school system and the university systems) wouldn't be able to indoctrinate their students. That, however, doesn't mean that ALL of history is lies. We can wade through the lies together and discover the truth.
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"We can't even discuss many of the more obvious subjects as your channel would be censored - something I would hate to see as I like it a lot"
I agree. My Operation Keelhaul videos were heavily censored, as was my video on what the Axis did to the Greeks. Apparently YouTube doesn't want you to know what happened in Greece during WW2, mainly because, if you did, you'd see a very similar story to what's happening to our world right now https://youtu.be/oT2NPAoXeSk
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"The war had nothing to do with fighting for democracy"
You brought up democracy, not me. Democracy = State power, though, so I would say that the war had everything to do with State power.
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"We allied with a police state that had murdered tens of millions of its own people and invaded multiple countries before the war even started"
The western countries were heading down that route at the time. For example, Hoover's heavily interventionist reaction to the Wall Street crash caused a massive depression that allowed Roosevelt to implement his socialist new deal. It was only the end of the war, with the death of Roosevelt, that unshackled the chains that had been placed on the economy and allowed the market to work once more. Surprisingly, I've even got a video on that https://youtu.be/JzEK5yd2kLw
The point is that the whole world was sliding into totalitarianism during that time. The end of the war brought an end to that, but we're heading that way again. So complaining that "we" (the western States) allied with another police state is a mute point. The western States were ALL police states, since they had a monopoly of power over the law.
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"Then we allowed it to take over half of Europe - gee what a victory for democracy"
It was. Democracy = State power. The "Soviets" are workers' councils (that's literally what the word "soviet" means, "council"). The Soviet Union was a democratic state, which is why it ended up with a democratic dictatorship.
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@KuroiReaper "Think about what are you saying and citing."
Yeah, it's funny how my sources are always in question, yet my critics never cite sources themselves, just provide opinions.
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"During war soldiers would have been either way fighting and wartime conditions either way wouldnt paint bad picture as half of soviet union was razed and i dont think their priorities were making good picture or telling people how west is bad."
US ships docking in ports on the other side of the Soviet Union, hundreds of miles away from the action, also had their crews forbidden from leaving the docks. As quoted before, Britain wasn't allowed to station aircraft to help with their convoys. Why?
And the Soviets hated Britain. When the German and Soviet troops met at the border, the Soviet brigadier general toasted to both Hitler and Stalin as "men of the people", and invited the German reporters to come visit him "after the victory over capitalist Albion." (source: Moorhouse, “The Devils’ Alliance,” P10-11.) And as Stalin himself said:
“...the Soviet Union is interested in preserving a strong Germany, and in the event of military conflict between Germany and the western democracies, the interests of the Soviet Union and Germany coincide completely. The Soviet Union shall never tolerate letting Germany fall into difficult straits.” (Stalin to Ribbentrop, from Moorhouse, “The Devils’ Alliance,” P38.)
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"What are you talking about happened during cold war."
No, it happened throughout the history of the Soviet Union https://youtu.be/kPVo9w79D6w
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@KuroiReaper "I must say that this isnt true, it had nothing to do with that..."
Here's a quote from Tolstoy, “Victims of Yalta,” p395.
“The first and most important point to note is that the Soviet Government regarded all Soviet citizens who had passed even temporarily out of their control as traitors…”
And several quotes from Tuyll's "Feeding the Bear" -
“Interestingly enough, the severity of the labour shortage did not lead the Soviet Union to accept Allied troops... The Soviet government rejected proposals for the basing of foreign air units in the Caucasus, the stationing of a British squadron at Murmansk (to protect convoys), and the establishment of American bases in Siberia... American pilots were not welcome, and some aircraft orders were refused when the United States insisted on training the pilots in the Soviet Union... Stalin did allow American bombers into the Ukraine, but their operations were restricted and their presence was more accepted than appreciated.” (Tuyll, Feeding the Bear p81)
There are more quotes besides this in these books, and there's more I can get from other books too. The British and US had spare troops and aircraft crews, but they weren't allowed on Soviet soil. And I've read an account from a historian (although I can't recall which one off the top of my head) saying that the Soviets had to prepare certain areas in advance to look better than they were so that when foreigners visited they wouldn't think the Soviet Union was as poor as it was.
But there were food shortages even before the Second World War. When the Germans landed in Moscow to sign the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, one of the Germans tried to tip his Soviet driver, who furiously turned on him, asking if he was trying to get him put in prison. The food provided by the Soviets to the German delegation didn’t come from the Soviet Union, but from all over Europe - Sweden, Denmark, etc. Having some food left over from the flight, one German offered it to the Soviets at the airfield. His offer was declined, with one of them telling him that the Soviet people had enough to eat… even though the food later disappeared after being left out. (source for this paragraph: Moorhouse, “The Devils’ Alliance,” P18-19.)
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YouTube is stupid and deletes comments randomly (even my own). But yes, I've only ever heard that they would be reinstated via wounding, so this is new to me.
However, Wikipedia (not the best source, obviously) does say that: "Different commanders had different attitudes when releasing the shtrafniks from the unit and returning them to their regular units. 65th Army commander General Pavel Batov only rehabilitated shrafniks who were killed or wounded in action and used the remaining shtrafniks until the end. General Alexander Gorbatov released all shtrafniks who had bravely fought in a battle, regardless of whether they were wounded or not." The source for this informations is (Pyl'cyn, Aleksandr, Penalty Strike: The Memoirs of a Red Army Penal Company Commander, 1943-45, Stackpole Books (2006), ISBN 978-0-8117-3599-5)
This could explain the discrepancy.
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"Anyway from you as producer I would expect no politica approach"
Ok, imagine if I said this - "Anyway from you as the viewer I would expect you to watch regardless." That would be unreasonable wouldn't it? Why should any individual force another individual to do something? It's wrong. So, as an individual, I'm not bowing to 'public' pressure.
Socialist tactics of using multiple accounts to downvote some of my videos and spread lies, slander and threats throughout the comment sections about or towards me isn't going to prevent me from telling the truth (backed by copious amounts of evidence). This is why the leftists are wasting their time commenting on and downvoting my videos - I don't care whether there is a consensus or not. History is about the sources, interpretation and debate. A consensus is irrelevant.
"Remember that the video regarding if Nazis were socialists was a very controversial and I would say that should be a lesson to avoid taking political place as it's very complicated"
Controversial maybe, but all my videos have been controversial. That's what my channel has always been about when it came to history. The very first history video I did was on Market Garden where I said the US general was to blame for what had traditionally been seen as a British failure. Controversy is debate. Debate is the heart of history and historiography. Censorship is the antithesis of history.
Besides, as my arguments in the comment sections have proven, I now have pretty convincing evidence that, in my view, confirms that the National-Socialists were indeed socialist. For example, the first thing they did was abolish private property, and the best counterargument I've had against this is "no, you're wrong" and "neck yourself".
"and also... You want to explain history not left/center/right etc.."
I'm looking into WW2 - the main part of which is the war between the National-Socialists and the Marxist-Socialists. I cannot ignore that, since as the key to history is the context of the time. My research for Courland has forced me to look into the politics and economics of the situation because it's all related to why Hitler chose to bottle Army Group North in Courland in the first place - it's unavoidable! The politics, the economics and the military aspects are all interlocked.
As I've discovered by trying to remain as quiet as possible on the political and economic matters, it simply isn't possible because of the Marxists and the National-Socialists in the comment sections of my videos who are making it political and economic. What I'm doing is a reaction to their lies, and a reaction to the distortions of history, which I'm discovering on a daily basis, such as National-Socialist not being socialism somehow.
"@TIK that doesn't make them necessary leftist."
The idea of freedom of speech is not a left-wing idea, since it's related to liberty and individualism. Censorship is a left-wing idea because it's an attack on individuals for the sake of the "social-group". I think that National Socialists and Marxist Socialists views are bad, but that individuals who 'believe' in those ideologies shouldn't have their freedom to speak taken away from them. It is a basic individual human right. Deplatforming or destroying the incomes of people who aren't socialist, just because a company (or even everyone else) disagrees with them, is a left-wing idea. This is a bad road to go along, and I do not support that in any way.
"If they "attack" to people with more conservative ideas most probably are not in the same side (expect if they are more radical) but also not made them leftist."
Patreon are a middle-man. They do not pay the creators - the creator's fans pay for the creators. They should not have a say in where other people's money goes. And yet Patreon has taken it upon itself to prevent people from supporting other people through their service. Why are they doing that? Well, as leftists they want to control the means of production. They feel it is there right to say where other people's money goes. Part of their leftist agenda is to destroy freedom of speech in favour of the idea of a "socialized man" (Das Kapital Volume III). It's the same as China's social credit system. If Patreon deems something to be "offensive" to their socialist weltanschauung ("world-view", to quote Hitler) then they will simply shut it down. This is why people are voting with their wallets, and I absolutely support them in their choice.
Ultimately, I go where the evidence takes me - which means I end up in controversial topics, which will "offend" someone at some point. But that is what history is. History lies at the heart of debate. If I cannot question things and discuss topics, then there's no reason to talk, and there is no reason to do history. I would quit and go get another job, since there's no history left to discuss. Everything would be the official leftist narrative, or I'd have to say "sorry guys, I can't cover that topic because my research has uncovered truths that the grand-narrative-socialists have said I'm not allowed to share with you".
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"@TIK You didn't make this type of video when talking about the North African campaign and you didn't equate the British and French Empires to the Nazi Empire."
You want to talk about the atrocities committed by the British in North Africa during WW2? Ok, go ahead, you first.
"The British were in territories which belonged to them and to France through conquest"
Yes, but that's not relevant to the North African Campaign. It would be relevant if we were talking about the Rise and Fall of the British Empire or something, but we're not when discussing the North African Campaign of WW2. On the Axis Soviet Front however, that's a different story because both sides were aggressors in this war.
"Your distinction of Empires is implied when you used the 'coined term' Evil Empire, which in itself implies there are also then....Good Empires."
No, it's an emphasis on the fact that these two empires were evil - since some people are defending one side or another. The British Empire was not "good", even for the British (it actually cost Britain more to maintain the empire than they got from the colonies). Just because I haven't had an opportunity to say that the British Empire was evil, doesn't mean I won't. You're assuming that I hold views I don't have, because you're seeing me as a "British" person. Stop being Fascist (nationalistic-socialist) and view me as an individual, not as a "British" person.
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"Yet with the Nazis, was this the case? Were the means of production placed in the hands of the state (prior to say 1943)? No."
Wow, please read Adam Tooze "Wages of Destruction" or Gunter Reimann's "Vampire Economy" (written in 1939) for a real assessment of what the National Socialist economy was because production absolutely was under control of the totalitarian state (you can't have "total" control without control of the economy). Here's some quotes -
“The life of the German businessman is full of contradictions. He cordially dislikes the gigantic, top-heavy, bureaucratic State machine which is strangling his economic independence. Yet he needs the aid of these despised bureaucrats more and more, and is forced to run after them, begging for concessions, privileges, grants, in fear that his competitor will gain the advantage.” - Reimann
"...in practice the Reichsbank and the Reich Ministry of Economic Affairs had no intention of allowing the radical activists of the SA, the shopfloor militants of the Nazi party or Gauleiter commissioners to dictate the course of events. Under the slogan of the 'strong state', the ministerial bureaucracy fashioned a new national structure of economic regulation." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112
“We worked and governed with incredible elan. We really ruled. For the bureaucrats of the Ministry the contrast to the Weimar Republic was stark. Party chatter in the Reichstag was no longer heard. The language of the bureaucracy was rid of the paralysing formula: technically right but politically impossible.” - Schacht, speaking of the situation after 1933. Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112-113
"It would be absurd to deny the reality of this shift. The crisis of corporate capitalism in the course of the Great Depression did permanently alter the balance of power. Never again was big business to influence the course of government in German as directly as it did between the outbreak of World War I in 1914 and the onset of the Depression in 1929. The Reich's economic administration, for its part, accumulated unprecedented powers of national economic control." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P113
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“Control over domestic resources was paralleled by centralized control over imports. Both countries [Nazi and Soviet] controlled and restricted international trade.” Temin, P580
"Both governments reorganized industry into larger units, ostensibly to increase state control over economic activity. The Nazis reorganized industry into 13 administrative groups with a large number of subgroups to create a private hierarchy for state control. The state therefore could direct the firms’ activities without acquiring direct ownership of enterprises. The pre-existing tendency to form cartels was encouraged to eliminate competition that would destabilize prices.” Temin, P582-583
“The Soviets had made a similar move in the 1920s. Faced with a scarcity of administrative personnel, the state encouraged enterprises to combine into trusts and trusts to combine into syndicates. These large units continued into the 1930s where they were utilized to bridge the gap between overall plans and actual production.” Temin, P583
"“... this difference was not important to many decisions. The incentives for managers - both positive and negative - were very similar in the two countries. Consequently, their responses to the [Four or Five Year] plans were also similar. In neither case did the managers set the goals of the plans.” Temin, P590-591
“Like Hitler, Backe saw the mission of National Socialism as being the supersession of the rotten rule of the bourgeoisie. Far from being impractical, Backe’s ideology provided a grand historical rationale for the extreme protectionism already implemented by the nationalist agrarians. Far from being backward looking, Backe’s vision assigned to National Socialism the mission of achieving a reconciliations of the unresolved contradictions of nineteenth-century liberalism. It was not National Socialism but the Victorian ideology of the free market that was the outdated relic of a bygone era. After the economic disasters of the early 1930s there was no good reason to cling to such a dangerous archaic doctrine. The future belonged to a new system of economic organization capable of ensuring both the security of the national food supply and the maintenance of a healthy farming community as the source of racial vitality.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P174
[Tooze's Wages of Destruction P179-180] Because Germany didn’t have enough land to feed her population, both Backe and Hitler (and others) wanted to expand eastwards. The local populations were to be impacted by German ‘rearrangement’. “Those left in place were to serve as slave labour on German settler farms. The SS was to be the sword and shield of this settler movement.”
On the 26th of September 1933, Darré and Backe created the “Erbhof” law. [Tooze's Wages of Destruction P182]
“For the purpose of protecting the peasantry as the ‘Blood Source of the German People’, the law proposed to create a new category of farm, the Erbhof (hereditary farm), protected by debt, insulated from market forces and passed down from generation to generation within racially pure peasant families. The law applied to all farms that were sufficient in size to provide a German family with an adequate standard of living (an Achernahrung, later defined as a minimum of c. 7.5 hectares), but did not exceed 125 hectares.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P182
“The term ‘peasant’ (Bauer) was henceforth defined as an honorary title, reserved for those registered on the Role. Those not entered in the Erbhofrolle were henceforth to be referred to merely as ‘farmers’ (Landwirte). Entry in the Rolle protected the Erbhof for ever against the nightmare of repossession. By the same token, it also imposed constraints. Erbhoefe could not be sold. Nor could they be used as security against mortgages. Farms registered as Erbhoefe were thus removed from the free disposal of their immediate owners. Regardless of existing arrangements between spouses, Erbhoefe were to have a single, preferably male, owner who was required to document his line of descent, at least as far back as 1800, the same requirements as for civil servants. ‘Peasants’ were to be of German or ‘similar stock’ (Stammesgleich), a provision that excluded Jews, or anyone of partial Jewish descent.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P182-183
“The line of inheritance was now fixed in law.” P183 [clearly not free-market capitalism]
“Coupled with this extraordinary intervention in the property rights of German peasants was an equally drastic programme of debt reduction. Backe and Darré proposed that the Erbhof farmers should assume collective responsibility for each other’s debts. The debts of all Erbhoefe, variously estimated at between 6 and 9 billion Reichsmarks, were to be transferred to the Rentenbank Kreditanstalt, a state-sponsored mortgage bank. The Rentenbank would repay the original creditors with interest ranging between 2 and 4 per cent depending on the security of the original loan. ” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P183 [no more personal debt for these farmers, but collective debt]
Hitler approved of this plan, despite opposition from Junkers, some peasants and Schacht (as well as others). He then decided that it would go through, after negotiations. P184. Unfortunately for Darré and Schacht, they had to shelve the debt-relief idea and come up with a compromise ‘grant’ scheme instead for peasants who were in debt. P185 They also had to relax the inheritance elements of the law to appease the peasants. P185-186 Rate of enrollment for those farms that fitted the bill was high. It wasn’t enough to ‘transform the structure of land ownership in Germany.” P186 But it did have an impact. “It consolidated a group of farms whose average size nationally was just less than 20 hectares, a figure that was soon to be defined as the ideal size for efficient family farming in the new order of German agriculture.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P186
“The second fundamental step taken by Darré and Backe in the autumn of 1933 was the organization of the Reichsnaehrstand (RNS). It is not too much to say that the setting up of this organization and its associated system of price and production controls marked the end of the free market for agricultural produce in Germany. Agriculture and food production, which until the mid-nineteenth century had been overwhelmingly [-P187] the most important part of the German economy and which still in the 1930s constituted a very significant element of national product, were removed from the influence of market forces. As Backe clearly articulated even before 1933, the mechanism of price-setting was the key. The RNS made use of prices to regulate production.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P186-187
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"These states were economically and ideologically different."
No they weren't -
"The Nazis viewed private property as conditional on its use - not as a fundamental right. If the property was not being used to further Nazi goals, it could be nationalized.” Temin, P576
“Prof. Junkers of the Junkers aeroplane factory refused to follow the government’s bidding in 1934. The Nazis thereupon took over the plant, compensating Junkers for his loss. This was the context in which other contracts were negotiated.” Temin, P576-577
“Manufacturers in Germany were panic-stricken when they heard of the experiences of some industrialists who were more or less expropriated [had their property seized] by the State. These industrialists were visited by State auditors who had strict orders to “examine” the balance sheets and all bookkeeping entries of the company (or individual businessman) for the preceding two, three, or more years until some error or false entry was found. The slightest formal mistake was punished with tremendous penalties. A fine of millions of marks was imposed for a single bookkeeping error. Obviously, the examination of the books was simply a pretext for partial expropriation of the private capitalist with a view to complete expropriation and seizure of the desired property later. The owner of the property was helpless, since under fascism there is no longer an independent judiciary that protects the property rights of private citizens against the state. The authoritarian State has made it a principle that private property is no longer sacred.” - Reimann, Chapter II (no page number, as on Kindle)
Reimann, in 1939, quotes from a German businessman’s letter to an American businessman -
“The difference between this and the Russian system is much less than you think, despite the fact that officially we are still independent businessmen.” “Some businessmen have even started studying Marxist theories, so that they will have a better understanding of the present economic system.” “How can we possibly manage a firm according to business principles if it is impossible to make any predictions as to the prices at which goods are to be bought and sold? We are completely dependent on arbitrary Government decisions concerning quantity, quality and prices for foreign raw materials.” “You cannot imagine how taxation has increased. Yet everyone is afraid to complain about it. The new State loans are nothing but confiscation of private property, because no one believed that the Government will ever make repayment, nor even pay interest after the first few years.” “We businessmen still make sufficient profit, sometimes even large profits, but we never know how much we are going to be able to keep…”
“The decree of February 28, 1933, nullified article 153 of the Weimar Constitution which guaranteed private property and restricted interference with private property in accordance with certain legally defined conditions … The conception of property has experienced a fundamental change. The individualistic conception of the State - a result of the liberal spirit - must give way to the concept that communal welfare precedes individual welfare. (Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz).” - Reimann, quoting from Jahrbuch des Oeffentlichen Rechtes der Gegenward, ed. by Otto Koellreuther (1935), p. 267.
“There exists no law which binds the State. The State can do what it regards as necessary, because it has the authority.” “The next stage of National-Socialist economic policy consists of replacing capitalist laws by policy.” - Fritz Nonnenbruch, the financial editor of the Voelkischer Beobachter (quoted by Reimann).
“The life of the German businessman is full of contradictions. He cordially dislikes the gigantic, top-heavy, bureaucratic State machine which is strangling his economic independence. Yet he needs the aid of these despised bureaucrats more and more, and is forced to run after them, begging for concessions, privileges, grants, in fear that his competitor will gain the advantage.” - Reimann
“Such a system also changes the psychology of businessmen. Their experiences teach them that the old right of property no longer exists. They find themselves compelled to respect the “national interest” or the “welfare of the community.”” “Businessmen must claim that everything they do, any new business for which they want a certificate, any preferment in the supply of raw materials, etc., is “in the interest of the national community.”” - Reimann
Schacht centralized and heavily regulated the electricity production industry, which then sparked a new plan of economic administration. This was all in 1935. [Tooze's Wages of Destruction P111-112]
"...in practice the Reichsbank and the Reich Ministry of Economic Affairs had no intention of allowing the radical activists of the SA, the shopfloor militants of the Nazi party or Gauleiter commissioners to dictate the course of events. Under the slogan of the 'strong state', the ministerial bureaucracy fashioned a new national structure of economic regulation." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112
“We worked and governed with incredible elan. We really ruled. For the bureaucrats of the Ministry the contrast to the Weimar Republic was stark. Party chatter in the Reichstag was no longer heard. The language of the bureaucracy was rid of the paralysing formula: technically right but politically impossible.” - Schacht, speaking of the situation after 1933. Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112-113
"It would be absurd to deny the reality of this shift. The crisis of corporate capitalism in the course of the Great Depression did permanently alter the balance of power. Never again was big business to influence the course of government in German as directly as it did between the outbreak of World War I in 1914 and the onset of the Depression in 1929. The Reich's economic administration, for its part, accumulated unprecedented powers of national economic control." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P113
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"First of all, thanks for replying"
No worries, thank you for answering my question :) I did ask it wrong - I should have said "why are the bourgeoisis bad?" rather than not bad, but nevermind. So, let's talk about some of your points -
"But it is simply a statement of fact to point out that a class is able to make use of that privilege," "I'm sure you'll agree that there are actions and privileges that being a member of a given social class can get you, to elevate you over others."
Sadly, I'm not in agreement with this point. Can you give me some hard current-day examples of how being in a certain social class can elevate you above others?
"The "bourgeoisie" are able to, and do, enforce unfair working conditions."
So let's imagine that the "bourgeoisie" give you a job, and you don't like it. Ok, so what do you do if you don't like your job? - you leave and get another. If you're a free person, in a free country, you can go elsewhere. You can trade your skills, time and abilities for another job. You can find one with better conditions, or create a job yourself (become an entrepreneur), since economics isn't a zero-sum game, and you can actually create wealth by producing things.
Now let's put the government in complete control of the means of production and economy. Since factories don't produce anything by themselves, the "means of production" is actually just another phrase for the "people" or "workers". So now we have a situation where the government is in total-control of the people. You are no longer a free person and are not in charge your person. So what happens if you don't like your job? Can you get another? No, because every job provided in the economy is now owned by the state. It's a monopoly. All you're doing is moving from bad working conditions to other bad working conditions. And worse, if the government thinks that you're not worth hiring, what happens then?
Can you explain how freedom is bad for people?
"Men are disproportionately more likely to engage in street harassment than women."
I'm not saying you're a sexist, or deliberately going out of your way to be sexist, and I actually think you don't realise that you were being sexist, but I am saying that this statement is sexist. In reality, you're not sexist for thinking one "sex" is better than another; you're sexist for thinking that people can be grouped into "sexes" in the first place. If you see people as defined by their "sex"-group, then that is in itself sexist.
Unless we're getting into a romantic relationship, someone's sexuality is completely irrelevant to me. Why? Because I'm not a sexist. If you define people by their sexual characteristics, and state that all-people-of-a-certain-sex-are-x, then you are being sexist. Same applies with race; you're racist if you think people are defined by their "racial characteristics".
Let's take an example. I am British. Does that mean I eat limes, play football and drink tea? No, I don't do any of those things. Why? Because I am an individual. I don't eat fruit very often, think sport is a waste of time, and prefer cold drinks. But that's not possible!?!!? How can I possibly be British and not like queuing?!?!?
And I don't think it's right that people should judge me by my "nationality characteristics", because my nationality honestly doesn't define who I am at all. And I absolutely don't want people to find me guilty of association of a "social group".
If another British guy commits a murder, does that mean I'm a murderer too? Does that mean I should go to prison for it as well? No, because that's a ridiculous notion. Individuals are judged by their own actions, not by the actions of others. Similarly, if another male harasses a woman, does that mean I should go to prison for it? No, because again that's a ridiculous notion. Similarly, if one Jew is bad, does that mean Hitler is justified in killing all the Jews? No, because again that's a super-ridiculous notion. And yet that is precisely the line of thinking you go down once you deprive others of their individuality and judge them solely on their association with a social group.
"I do think that reducing everything to individualism is destructive and quite useless in terms of analysis of anything"
I don't think you can find people guilty by association. I think people should be judged individually, and not be found guilty just because they belong to a social group. Not all people of a given skin colour are bad. Not all people who have a certain sexual-organ are bad. Not all people from a certain nation are bad. Not all people from a certain class are bad.
I think separating everyone into social groups is truly destructive. It leads to an "us" vs "them" mentality. It leads to divisions. It leads to people thinking others of another group are "evil" or "non-human". It leads to social-schism. It leads to the loss of freedom for individuals, and it leads to a societal breakdown. This is why I refer to socialism as "social-schism". It honestly does promote a division of society, and this is built into its core philosophy.
In my opinion, individuals should have the freedom to do what they want, without harming others. Everyone (regardless of race, gender, creed, nationality or class) should have the same rights. We should not be controlled by others, and be able to keep the money or products we earn by working, and spend our wealth were we see fit (not having it forcefully taken from us by others). We should not judge others by the colour of their skin, their sexuality, class or nationality. All that matters is their individual traits (are they nice, hard working etc?). And we should take responsibility for our own lives, think for ourselves, and not allow others to dictate how we act or think.
This is true freedom. True liberty. And this is the philosophy of "classic liberalism".
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A black market is a free market, because the state doesn't have a say in that market. If you have a black market, you know the rest of the economy is a state-controlled economy.
Isn't there a black market for drugs?
The centralised state "private" banks are printing currency, secretly robbing everyone of their wealth with inflation, and few are aware of it. We've not had a free market since the gold standard (gold and silver are money, not currency, because they have intrinsic value), and even then it wasn't free due to taxation and regulation. 2008 was proof that Keynesian economics is failing, and they've been dragging out the death of it for over ten years, if not more. Once the dollar hyperfinflates (which all fiat currencies have done in history) the state-controlled system will collapse, people will blame the capitalist system (which it's not) and use that as an excuse to bring in more socialism. Rinse and repeat.
Don't be fooled. This is not capitalism. The markets aren't free.
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If I offered you 1 ton of gold, would you say no to it?
Intrinsic: "belonging naturally; essential." Gold is natural and rare (which helps give it its value), and silver is the same but also has many uses (e.g. electronics).
Now, I'm not saying it's not also got subjective value - because ,of course, its value is subjective to each buyer and seller and its relation to other goods in the society (the market price). However, gold and silver do have natural value, just as an apple is valuable to someone who's hungry.
For example, Venezuelans have resorted to using gold after their socialist government hyperinflated the currency supply https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/08/venezuela-puerto-ordaz-gold-mines-armed-gangs "“In November, one of the girls who is studying here told me: ‘A degree is not expensive, because its only 2.5g of gold [for a semester],’” said Arturo Peraza, rector of the city’s influential Universidad Católica Andrés Bello."
And the hyperinflation in Germany in 1923 was partly caused by the state coming off the gold standard, and through printing currency. But those Germans who retained their gold could do well, and many shops and businesses resorted to barter or payments in gold. You see this throughout history whenever the currency supply is inflated - people return to the free market; they return to gold and silver.
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"@TIK I haven't claimed that marxist economics is superior I've just said that Keynesianism is better for the working class by creating a strong safety net and good working conditions."
Hear me out. The poor and the 'working class' are better off without the safety net. Now, at first you might think - MONSTER! But in reality, that's not the case. I am poor, I am 'working class', and I know that a safety net is BAD for me, the poor and the 'working class'.
BECAUSE it isn't the initial effect of the act of giving currency to the poor that's the issue. If that solved everything, then I'd be all for it... just as I used to be. BUT it's the knock-on effect of doing that which RUINS the economy AND hurts the poor and the 'working class' as well. It's not the INITIAL effect that's the problem - it's the KNOCK-ON effects which are the issue, and they make the INITIAL effect really really really bad for the poor and the 'working class'.
The reason you don't see it is because you haven't looked into non-Keynesian/non-Marxist economics. Do yourself a favour and listen to Hazlitt's Economics in One Lesson, and listen to Thomas Sowell's Basic Economics. Once you see it, you'll understand.
"@TIK of course we don't live in a 100% free market and anyone who claims that is an idiot. We live in a mixed economy with private companies and public services."
We barely have a mixed economy. This economy is so socialized that it's hard to name something that isn't touched by the socialization. In fact, due to the currency manipulation, even the black market isn't a true black market (unless they purely operated through barter or gold/silver) since the socialization of the currency supply is absolute.
"What are you on about gold and silver for? They're just as much real money as paper money is? Do you not understand what currency actually is?"
Money is gold and silver, because gold and silver have intrinsic value. Paper fiat 'money' isn't money, it's currency, because it has no value. Now that we're no longer on the gold-standard, we no longer have money, only currency. The centralized socialized banks can print currency all day long, stealing the wealth off of you and me. This is why we no longer have a free market - because every person who uses currency (for the first time in human history, everyone in the world) is having their wealth robbed from them by the socialized central banks, and they don't even realise it. The point being that the currency supply itself is socialized, meaning that - if nothing else - every transaction we make today has been socialized and is controlled by the central banks and the Keynesian state.
If you do not have a gold-standard - if you use fiat currency - you do not have a free market.
"@TIK inflation isn't theft and was common place even in gold based societies like what happened to Spain when theh discovered the Americas or when mansa musa went to Egypt."
The difference being that that inflation didn't benefit the 1% at the expense of everyone else. Everyone in society felt the effects of that inflation together. Our current inflation benefits the 1% and the centralized socialized state and banks by robbing the rest of society of their wealth without them even realizing it.
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Don't forget that that quote came from his second book, which was written in the late 1920's (1928 off top of my head), and that Hitler hadn't expected to be involved in a major war until 1941, not 1939. Also, he thought that his main enemy wasn't the Soviet Union, but the USA, which is part of his excuse to gain Lebensraum before he's expected to be at war with them. So 30 years from 1928 puts it at 1958 - the point where time has supposedly run out. Therefore Hitler thought he had to act before this time, and there was little reason to wait because once he'd taken out the Soviet Union he was expecting to be at war with the USA.
Also, as I explained, Hitler believed trade was bad. Therefore there was no reason to continue trading because all that would do is strengthen his enemies. Yes WE know that trade is mutually beneficial, but socialists believe economics is a zero sum game. One person's gain is another person's loss in their eyes. So trade is bad for them (supposedly, even though it's not).
It also conveniently provides an excuse to implement just socialism on the national level, which Hitler wanted to do for many reasons (mainly for the 'race'). So, while you could argue that he could have taken his time a bit more, placed in context with all the other reasons, it makes perfect sense.
And I'm not saying that the other reasons weren't important- they were. What I'm saying is that this is a central reason which ties all the others in. Without this, it doesn't make as much sense. But with it, it provides the impetus for more immediate action, especially to implement Autarky, which then leads to economic problems.
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Yes, not only have I read Mein Kampf, but I quoted from Hitler in the video. Private property didn't "thrive" at all under Hitler's regime, try reading the Vampire Economy, or Hitler's Beneficiaries, or Zitelmann's Hitler the Politics of Seduction for information regarding the National Socialist economy, because it was a totalitarian regime, and you cannot have totalitarianism without total control of the means of production (socialism). And without the abolishment of property (the Reichstag Fire Decree of 1933) you cannot have socialism, and thus not have a totalitarian regime. If Hitler didn't abolish private property and bring it all under the state, then he's not a totalitarian dictator, which would be an incorrect assessment.
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"I researched on google and chatgpt"
Well, that's where you went wrong. You need to do actual research using valid sources of information.
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"didn’t you say that communism and socialism are the same thing if not then Trotsky Karl Marx Joseph Stalin Lenin Mao pol pot shouldn’t be on that list because these guys were communist dictators"
Originally they did mean the exact same thing, which is why I just call them all socialists. However, the definitions changed over time. Communism and Marxist Socialism have the same end-goal, but vary in the way they get there. As I explained in the Lenin before the Revolution video, socialism became the state before the communist utopia, but then changed again as Lenin changed his mind after discovering that socialist economics weren't working. Technically, all the people I talked about were Communists who tried to implement Socialism, and failed to do so. But again, it's all semantics at the end of the day, since they all oppose private property and demand state control (even those who claim to be "anarcho-socialists").
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"I think of Scandinavian countries where Nazi Germans living similar to Scandinavian"
Then you would be wrong.
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"that’s like saying North Korea is a democracy because it says the democratic Republic of Korea"
I've explained this a hundred times. North Korea is a democracy. Democracy means "people power". Well, the people are the public, and the public sector is the state. Therefore, democracy is "state power". The words are used to trick you into believing it's something that it isn't. But ultimately, all you're doing under democracy is giving away all your power to the Establishment via the "vote".
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"they didn’t care about equality to much to be considered far left like the Soviet Union they thought they were a superior race compared to everybody else they hated Jews does this sound like people who care about equality"
Socialists and Communists want to murder and steal from the "bourgeoisie". How is murdering and stealing from the bourgeoisie classed as "equality"? And yes, it is done on racial lines as evident by the fact that Karl Marx himself said that the Jews were the bourgeoisie, and the bourgeoisie were the Jews, as I shoulwed in this video on Karl Marx's anti-semitism https://youtu.be/rZh01xRO_Qg
Hitler was a NATIONAL Socialist, meaning that he wanted equality for the GERMAN people. Karl Marx was a CLASS Socialist, meaning he wanted equality for the PROLETARIAT. These are both as "equal" as the other.
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Fear of independence manifests as laziness at school (among other things), resulting in low grades. Hitler didn't get a job and avoided work for years, including turning down two offers at apprenticeships. He had his head in the clouds and wanted to do art even though he was hardly practicing it, and art is usually not a viable career for the vast majority of art students.
Does that make sense? There's other evidence we know about Hitler too both in his early life and later on, as the Kershaw quote hinted at.
Oh good, if you know how brains work, then please, explain why some people can't see a clearly defined pattern supported by evidence, when others can?
I don't know the history of anything, only tanks. That's why my degree was on tanks and not history. That's why I'm only good at tank topics and have no idea about anything else. Can't even tie my own shoe laces as I don't have a degree in them, nor do I know the history of shoes.
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The critics I was referring to at that moment had absolutely no argument. None. They just dismissed and denied the pattern without even a shred of an argument at all. If you say "well, I'm sure they had a reason", my question is, well why didn't they present any? All they did was say "no, there's no pattern here", even though there clearly was.
I posit that I touched a nerve. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. But it's not "an awful argument". It's simply a challenge for these particular critics to provide an argument, and possibly consider introspection.
Of course, failing to understand the nuances, you're now accusing me of schizophrenia. Sure, why not 😂
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@Witness, you've completely misunderstood what inflation is, why it occurs, and what the relationship is to supply and demand and the consumer. Simply put, inflation isn't something you need to worry about if it remains low (e.g. 1 or 2%), and can actually be good for the consumers (indirectly). It's only a problem when it climbs high to the point that savings are destroyed quicker than they can be spent (hyperinflation).
And yes, there's nothing to say that the private sector can't produce roads, schools, hospitals etc - in fact, the private sector used to produce exactly those things, and still does (although to a lesser extent because people have no choice but to pay for inefficient and poor 'free' state services).
A capitalist cannot make money unless his customers have money. If they don't have money, they cannot buy anything from him. Therefore, a capitalist economy can only work if everyone has money. The capitalist knows this too. He pays people a wage to work for him, producing goods for people to buy. If he didn't pay them money, they wouldn't work for him, and they wouldn't be able to purchase goods - which means the economy wouldn't work, and his money would be worthless.
And again, increasing wages (what you're suggesting) will only lead to inflation. Increased wages by itself does not lead to increased wealth because prices will go up to compensate. You state this yourself. However, this is because you don't actually know what increases wealth in a nation. I'd recommend you read "Economics in one lesson" by Hazlitt to get the full understanding of economics you need.
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Yes, this specifically came from Barnett, C. “The Desert Generals.” Kindle, 2nd Edition.
"Though infantry divisions were equipped with anti-tank guns and field artillery, the infantry also believed the Hobartian doctrine that only tanks could fight tanks; and throughout the battle there were to be constant local pleas on the infantry’s part for armoured escort.” - Barnett
Prior to this, Barnett says that, with only two options available to Cunningham at the time (either take the existing British 1916 to 1918 idea of how to create tank forces which had existed up to 1940, or listen to the likes of the 'crazy' General Hobart) Cunningham went with Hobart’s views, although not completely. Barnett says Hobart argued that tanks could win on the battlefield alone without the help of any other arm. Even Cunningham saw that this was crazy, and Cunningham decided to use a combined-arms approach. That said, he did keep the tanks and infantry elements apart in two corps, 30 Corps and 13th Corps.
So Hobart is the reason the infantry and the tanks were separated in Operation Crusader. This doesn't mean he visisted North Africa - he could have spoken to Cunningham over the phone. And, when you consider the fact that Hobart had created 7th Armoured Division in the first place, and did so with 2 armoured brigades and one mixed support group, it's easy to see his influence.
What is the order of battle for 11th Armoured Division? Is it also two armoured brigades and a mixed support group?
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"Nazi germany barely had a planned economy before the war,"
Ah yes, the Four Year Plan wasn't a thing.
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"they even privatized some state companies,"
I know Wikipedia says this, but this isn't true. As explained many times now, the SA walked into the businesses and took them over from within. It wasn't just the "Vampire Economy" saying this either - I used other sources in this video, and in my Hitler's Socialism video (e.g. Tooze and Temin) to show this. I have other sources besides what I have shown.
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"I feel like you started making this video with the idea that the planned economy was to blame for every supply problem, and then did your research to confirm this, disregarding any other potential causes."
Oh no, I seriously considered the idea that there was a guy running around stealing all the coal. But then I realized that that doesn't explain why there were mountains of undelivered coal at the mines while cities were crying out for coal. Neither does the idea that there wasn't a planned economy.
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"The idea that private railroads work better then a state railroad has been disproven so many times in so many countries now. If there is one sector that does better when state owned it's the railroads. Just look at the evolution of rail transport in the soviet union in 1920-1939 or 1941-50."
Yes, because when I think about great train services, I think of the Soviet Union. I'm going to recommend that you read the book: "The Myth of the Robber Barons" by Folsom.
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And how do they attract that profit? By selling goods and services to the people. Profit is an indication that they are giving the people what they want. The 1% get the money, the 99% get their goods. If you don't want them to have money, stop buying cars, food, houses, clothes, phones, books, tablets, furniture... make everything yourself, and regress back into the woods. The rest of us will choose to be a part of this society and produce things that others want, trade with them, and provide wealth (goods) to our community.
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Neither are a plutocracy on their own. Both can be.
As for the "Nazis are Fascist" argument, it doesn't make any sense. People have always believed that Caesar was born by cesarian, but he wasn't. Should we go back to saying he was just because people have been incorrect for so long?
People on the Left don't know the ideologies of the "Right". They don't know what capitalism actually is (because Marx redefined it to something it isn't) and Stalin painted all his ideological enemies as 'Fascists', including Fascists, Nazis, the Finns, capitalists, the USA, the space monkeys... and what Stalin and Soviet/Marxists propaganda said is completely false.
The historical reality is that Fascism and Nazism have nothing to do with each other ideologically. Now Hitler borrowed some of the concepts (e.g. Blackshirts to Brownshirts) in order to get into power, but beyond that these are two distinct ideologies. And because the Left doesn't want to associate themselves with these ideologies, they paint them as capitalist and as part of the Right. They paint Nazis and Fascists as evil and then say "don't speak to them" and "don't trust what they say". Ok, but this means the Left are unwilling to understand what these ideologies are, and don't listen to those who actually support said ideologies. They're therefore the last people who you should ask about who the Nazis and Fascists are, because they have no idea.
They think Fascists are Nazis. That neither have any idea about economics (which is a deliberate ploy to prevent people from looking into the Nazi economy). They state that Fascism is the last stage of capitalism.
The reality is quite different, and when you place them on the Left, and when you accept that they are an alternative version of socialism, everything starts falling into place. The distortions of the Cold War start to unravel, and you see the entire conflict, and the modern world, in a completely different light. You see that Nationalism and Fascism and National Socialism are not on the Right, and are on the Left. You see that Anarchism isn't on the Far-Left, but is on the Far-Right, and you realise just how much Marxists have distorted the political spectrum and have infiltrated the education systems of the west in order to push their narrative.
I aim to correct the distortions of history so that I can learn from them. This has been one giant distortion which has destroyed our understanding of the modern world. I'm aiming to correct that distortion.
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"It wouldn't have been socialists, that would have prevented you from serving as an officer in WW2, would it?"
It would have been classists, racists, and sexists judging people and stopping them from serving. So what we need to do is stop being sexist, racist and classist and judge people by their individuality. Socialists are judging people by their class like a racist judges people by their skin colour. It's immoral.
"Socialism is a reaction to the unfairness of this system."
Socialism is unfair. Work hard, give goods and services to the community and receive money in exchange? Have those who didn't work as hard as you steal your money off you for themselves. Nope, doesn't sound fair to me.
""working class" is a socialist term, yes, an affirmative term for people who would have previously been dubbed serfs, peasants, drudges or just scum,"
I think you'll find that the Classic Liberals were the ones who liberated the slaves and the serfs, not the socialists. And I think you'll find it is the socialists who are wanting serfdom back. Instead of economic freedom to the individual or free speech, socialists advocate subservience to the 'group' (state) and censorship.
"The novelty is not in the introduction of "class" as a concept, but in honoring the working poor as contributing crucially to society."
Honour the working poor by making them poorer through absolutely disgusting 'economic' practices that make them worse off. I despise calling socialist ideology 'economics' because it is truly aweful. Taxing businesses so that they hire fewer employees; forcing them to pay artificially higher wages and thus force people into unemployment and causing the employees that remain to work harder and the business to have less chance of surviving; taxing consumers on everything they buy (VAT) so they can buy less things; centrally restricting (which they call 'central planning') the building of houses to artificially cause a housing shortage so they can blame it on the 'greedy landlords'; force people to pay into government monopolies like a crumbling and inefficient and highly deadly National Health Service, which forces the private health services to put up their costs and/or go out of business, and then turn around and gloat about how 'great' the government is at 'running' the monopoly; debasing the currency from the gold standard and then using interest to secretly tax people without them realising it, and then lying about the real rate of interest, and also blaming business owners when they are fored by the interest rates to put prices up before they go out of business; price restictions; wage controls; media censorship; curtailing of freedom of speech; destruction of hte right of an individual to own property; force workers to manual labour; the murder and theft from those deemed 'wrong' in their eyes (bourgeois women and children, Jews, or 'kulaks'); all in the name of the 'workers'. And this is just those I can think of off the top of my head. 100% disgusting economics.
Worse, they insist that anyone who disagrees with them "doesn't understand economics" when the reality is, unlike them, those arguing with them (like me) have looked at both sides (I actually used to believe in socialist economics - yes, I got suckered in too) and completely understand why their economics is absolute rubbish.
Here, watch these -
Economics in one lesson by: Henry Hazlitt https://youtu.be/8_u2a4uQFNI
Basic Economics - Thomas Sowell https://youtu.be/dQiBD-crrvA
They will explain EXACTLY why socialist 'economics' is not real economics and will actually show you why the poor (and our entire society) are made worse off by 'central planning'.
"Your protest against judging people by class becomes farsical, if you turn around to attack those that fought to overcome the traditional caste system."
Socialists are the ones causing the 'caste system' with their insistance on judging people by their race, class, sex and nationality. I'm advocating that they stop it. You're arguing against that because you want to continue to judge people by their 'class'.
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@Stefan B "That argument is such a cheapshot, come oooooon. OK, how would ANY f*ing government *in Leningrad have been able to prevent the starvation?"
I answered in the last post, saying that the government could have given more freedom to the individual to decide what to do in the circumstances rather than prevent them from doing what needed to be done.
But no, it isn't a cheapshot at all. Capitalism is the private control of the economy. A government is not a private individual. It is the 'public' sector, Latin 'publicum' meaning 'state and non-individual'. You cannot have a 'capitalist government' because that is literally an oxymoron.
""I use `groups' for convenience in speech" Yepp, and so do ALL people. Because we can't talk with each other otherwise. The problems arise, if those groups are characterized unfairly, with hateful intent."
That's exactly what I'm saying. So stop saying the bourgeoisie are 'evil' and stop judging people by their skin colour or their sex. They are not collective groups - they are individuals.
"Belonging to a class is not a question of birth, but of status."
There is no such thing as class. It doesn't exist.
"Which you can earn or lose, according to how much you conform to a classes rules of self identification."
You can earn wealth by working and producing for your community, or you can lose wealth by not working for your community. You cannot earn or lose a 'class' because it doesn't exist.
"A class identity IS an ideology."
Yes. Socialists believe in the class identity. That's why socialism is classed as an evil ideology.
"Questioning the rules of class identity is what thousands of people have been dubbed "socialist" for."
They made 'class' up. They're fighting to divide society into different groups that don't exist, so that those of the 'wrong' group can be murdered and have their possessions stolen from them during the bloody revolution. 'Class identity' is the same as 'race identity'. It's positive and negative discrimination. Saying someone is inferior because of their 'race' is evil, and saying someone is inferior because of their 'class' is equally as evil. That's why judging people by their artificial and collective social groups is morally wrong. We should judge people by their individuality - their actions and beliefs - not by their skin colour or their supposed 'class'.
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@stefanb6539 "Again, how would a capitalist government in Leningrad have saved people from starving in a besieged city?"
For starters, there's no such thing as a "capitalist government". A government is non-private, therefore not capitalist. However a government that allowed a free-market wouldn't have prevented the individuals in the city exercising their own judgement of the situation, and let them leave the city prior to the siege (thus reducing the number of civilians needing feeding, and the overall number of people who died) and would have allowed them to exercise their own free enterprise spirit in order to alleviate the shortages within the city. Free market profits may have caused individuals running businesses to have hired more people to drive food trucks or set up dockyards, or sailed boats, or grown more crops in the area (since the local government actually confiscated foods and crops from the farms and thus made the situation worse). And people could have left after the siege was on, if the government hadn't been there to stop them. Obviously, siege conditions will result in deaths, but the deaths would have been much less had the government not restricted people's freedom.
But again, the war wouldn't have even started if Hitler hadn't been a socialist.
"Socialist do perceive workers as a class, and you blame them for it."
Because there is no such thing as a 'class'. Someone who works, works. Someone who doesn't work, doesn't. That's it. The act of working does not make someone a 'class' just like someone who doesn't work is not a 'class' either. Class doesn't exist. You either work or you don't.
"If viewing a given group of individuals with focus on their similarities is evil, then you are as guilty as the ones you condemn."
I use 'groups' for convenience in speech and do not see them as living entities that give the individuals within the group characteristics. I judge individuals based on their individuality, not by the group they supposedly exist within.
"If viewing a group of individuals with focus on their similarities is just a necessity of language and not evil in itself, then you ARE absolved, but your contempt loses its moral founding."
No it does not. Unlike judging someone by their 'race', 'sex', 'class' or 'nationality' - none of which can be helped by birth, if they even existed in the first place - a belief or action is totally the individual's responsibility. If a 'British white man' commits a murder, that individual is at fault, not their entire 'nationality', 'race' or 'sex'. But he is still guilty of his actions and his belief. He thought murder was justified in that particular situation, and so he can be judged by his actions and beliefs. Similarly, if you choose to believe in an ideology which promotes murder and theft, such as a socialist ideology, then I think you should be judged by that belief. But again, unlike 'race' or 'sex' or 'class' or 'nationality' which is not the individual's choice, you as an individual can choose to change your beliefs and choose not to act. The choice is your individual choice to make and therefore the responsibility is on you, the individual.
The moral founding is solid. Individuality makes more sense for human beings than does collectivism.
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"It does not make much sense to say that fascism and Nazism have nothing in common, because Italian Fascism had nothing to do with racism."
I said they had socialism in common. I also said they're not the same ideology, which they're not. I didn't say they had nothing in common.
"For someone who works so hard to convince people that there are different ways for socialism to manifest itself - different thinkers, branches, divisions, etc., you seem to view everything else in a fairly narrow and selective way, making your arguments seem rather simplistic. I think that is what might cause all the skepticism surrounding these types of videos."
I am simplifying it for a wide audience of people who may not understand the differences in the ideologies. That doesn't mean that I don't understand. And actually this is a fairly simple issue: Marxists have redefined what capitalism and socialism are so that nobody knows what they are in order to hide the truth. I'm now simplistically explaining what they mean, and showing why the Marxist lies don't make any sense. This goes against the Marxist agenda, which is why they're complaining that I'm being too "simplistic".
"(When you look into it, you would struggle to find any country which doesn't have at least some state capitalist practices) "
Yes, I know. Because all modern states are partly socialist and partly capitalist. The Marxists say that our states are all capitalist, and they're not "real" socialism. They are not capitalist and are mostly socialist, which is why they're struggling to keep their head above water.
"As a result, Nazi Germany and the Nazi ideology included elements that could be considered both socialist and capitalist."
The Nazis hated capitalism, which they called 'international Jewish finance'. This is why they set out to control the entire economy with the state - socialism. That is not capitalism and it is an absolutely fundamental distortion of history to try and paint it as such, which is why I'm calling it out. For a Marxist, anything that's not 'Marxism' is therefore 'Fascism'. Unfortunately, that definition doesn't meet reality.
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"The United States are the rolemodel of a capitalistic state."
If the United States is a capitalist state, then I'm not a capitalist. Lockdowns are not a free market, nor are corporations (organs of the state), or taxation, or central bank inflation and manipulation of interest rates, wage controls, price controls, regulations, etc etc.
You said that the world is not black and white. Okay then, that same principle applies to your view on capitalism. You have painted capitalism as bad, and democracy as good, even though neither is the case. The United States, for example, is meant to be a Republic, and yet it has shown itself to be more democratic (totalitarian) than the republic it was originally founded as. After all, democracy = "people power". But as I have shown, the people are the public, and the public is the State. So democracy is a deceptive term which actually means "State power". This is why North Korea, China, Fascist Italy, and Hitler's Third Reich were all democratic nations https://youtu.be/_-lznzuPK8I
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Those "entities" you're referring to are corporations. Corporations are not capitalist, they are syndicalist. You are conflating the two terms: corporatism with capitalism. We do not have capitalism. We have corporatism, which is socialist-syndicalism by another name. Yet, you blame the "free market" for this. This is NOT a free market. One half of every transaction is currency. The currency is owned by the State's central banks, who manipulate interest rates and print their way into oblivion. So half of EVERY transaction has been manipulated by the central planners. This isn't a free market in any sense of the word.
I agree with you 100% that the financial sector is the enemy. But the financial sector is socialist at heart, not capitalist. The rich are getting richer because that's precisely what the enemies of private property want.
Regulations, wage controls, price controls, inflation, taxation, laws... they are all designed to destroy private property and form monopoly corporations that are easily controlled by the central planners. This was both the Socialist and the Fascist way of doing things. Yet, many believe this is capitalism. This is why I say you have been deceived.
I cannot comment on the virus situation, since censorship is real and I don't want my channel getting nuked from orbit. But I will say that, yes, you are arguing from the Leftist point of view. All you need to do is realize what capitalism is, and what it isn't, and if you do that, it will set you free. Watch this video of mine https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
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You have a religious hatred of property, yet haven't realized the tremendous benefits that private property (not public property) can bring. For a moment, consider the idea that when you buy some bread from the baker, that you hand the baker some currency. You eat the bread, he keeps the currency. Is it a zero-sum game? Who has "won" the transaction?
In reality, both parties won. In fact, the baker sold you his bread, and you sold him your currency, which he can then use elsewhere in the economy. The private property here is the bread, which was given to you (it is your bread) and you did with it what you wanted (ate it). This wasn't a zero-sum transaction. You both benefited from the transaction.
Also, you're assuming that the current market is a market. It is not. It's totally fake. Do not be deluded into believing that the current market is a capitalist market. I know that people have told you before that it is, but they were just as mistaken as you are. This market is centrally planned by the Central Banks that Karl Marx called for in the Communist Manifesto. We have a Socialist system, which is why it's zero-sum. See this video https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
And then maybe this video too https://youtu.be/X3L0_pjRdcs
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Military warfare is an extension of politics, which is in opposition to economics. Without the economics and politics, the military stuff is completely meaningless. And all of it is history. So if I'm not allowed to cover the economics and politics, then I have zero reason to cover the military stuff either, and certainly cannot explain it accurately, at which point I may as well go back to retail.
So you're telling me to "stick to history", but don't seem to realize that those words actually mean "stop doing history". You're telling me to "delete the opinion", which means "delete every video you've ever made because opinion (interpretation) is a fundamental element of history theory and therefore is baked into the cake" https://youtu.be/PvpJEc-NxVc
And while you're telling me that I'm good at the military stuff, that can't be true because you're saying that my historical approach to history must be fundamentally flawed if I'm coming to false conclusions based on the evidence. If the evidence is overwhelming, but you reject the evidence, then what am I left with? Nothing. There is no history without evidence. I cannot reject the evidence and the side with the lie.
And I'm not saying that people should only read one book. But that book is the first in a long list of books that will show people how flawed the so-called "economics" that our miseducation system has spouted for generations. Mises wrote his book "Socialism" in 1922, which no Socialist or Keynesian can respond too. It absolutely kills the ideology and proves that the Socialist "economics" is nothing of the sort. But I won't recommend that book for someone who's on the brink of opening their eyes for the first time. I'll get them to read something a bit lighter first, such as "Economics in One Lesson" by Hazlitt, then move them onto other books.
But apparently that's the wrong thing to do. Apparently I should let people live in ignorance and just tell people what they want to hear. Well, unfortunately, I can't do that.
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"The only thing I can say about Psychology after a career teaching it ,is that we do not truly understand how and why humans behave."
No wonder, since "Psychology" is based on Freud and Jung, both of whom were Hermeticists. Hermeticism has seeped its way into academia in the forms of socialism, National Socialism, and Marxism. Jung's Holy Trinity of the Ego, Self and Shadow is nothing more than religious mumbo jumbo. There's zero evidence for such a split. But the reason this was done is for the same reason every other religion attacks the ego - because the destruction of the Self (which is the Ego) makes the individual impotent in the face of collectivism. In short, if you deny yourSelf and offer yourSelf as a Self-sacrificial lamb, you're more likely to put your money in the hat.
You don't understand how humans behave because you've not been studying humans, but religion. Your emphasis on observation (which is the basis for Empricism) is likewise built upon the same religious foundations, as I explained in my video "But how do you know you're right?" - Objective Theory of History https://youtu.be/chgZcPzfbeI
Since I understand the religious foundation of empiricism, I'm no-longer trying to be "empirical". Rather, I'm being Objective in my view of history. The Objective Theory of History does not reject the Self (the Ego), nor does it pretend that if we take the Self out of history (if we all become personality-less creatures) we will get to "the Truth" (God). In actuality, the Objective Theory of History shows that it's not only impossible to do that, but actually counter to discovering the truth (actual truth, not God). Rather than reject the Self, we must embrace the Self in order to do good history, as the historian must trust his own mind in the logicial formation of conceptual concepts based upon a perception of the past through the sensory evidence.
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"I would contend that we know so little about human behaviour such a model is not a realistic goal."
You reject human behaviour, and then wonder why you don't understand it. Perhaps reading something by Ayn Rand, or Mises's "Human Action" would do you some good. But then again, you'll reject these books outright, since they're not approved literature and must be dismissed as "automatically wrong".
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"Others modelled this in a different way and observed that we often do not have perfect information."
The free market price for a good or service provides the consumer with all the information they need to make a decision. For further information, see this 6 minute video https://youtu.be/zkPGfTEZ_r4?si=YOd-XP-8JTTe4LYi
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"No one is saying you are not allowed to push back."
You're saying that I'm not allowed to push back. Need I remind you that the whole point of this conversation is that I'm arguing that I am allowed to push back, and you're arguing that I'm not. Your very first comment said "No naiive economic or political "insight"..." which is another way of saying that my videos on the political and economic subjects should be dismissed.
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"It is just that your pushback is not empirical and does not have broad theoretical foundations"
It's objective, not empirical. And it is based on broad theoretical foundations. You've not watched my video ("But how do you know you're right?" - Objective Theory of History https://youtu.be/chgZcPzfbeI ) you would see that. The issue here is that you've dismissed what I've said because you don't like it. You've let your "subjective" (religious) feelings get in the way of an objective consideration of the presented evidence.
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"you are just trying to forcefully confirm one with selective interpretation of evidence"
I use a full range of sources, from those I agree with, to those I don't. As I said, the fact that most socialists and communists haven't even read the Communist Manifesto, and that I am an ex-socialist myself and have read the literature, should be a clear indication to you that I know what I'm talking about.
In reality, you're unable to bring yourself to watch my videos, have zero knowledge of the arguments presented, and are therefore unable to counter me with actual evidence. Since you have no counter, you're slanderously accusing me of selecting sources with zero basis for such a claim, and with evidence to the contrary. This is an incredibly dishonest and shameful display of poor behaviour from you - highly typical of an "academic" of course.
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"I intended the comment about overview as a sincere compliment."
There was no compliment. Your initial comment essentially said my "strength at integrating and synthesising historical information from diverse secondary sources" is flawed since it only applies to the military topics. Apparently, this exact same method doesn't work when applied to the religious concept of politics. In effect, this is a hateful insult, not a complement, and that's why I asked you to explain yourself.
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"Incidently my journey was the opposite to yours. Started as a child of Maggie generation (dreadful woman) selfish and believing in markets. The more I read, the more I interacted with a wider world, the more I understood, the more I tended towards pro social societal structures."
Margaret Thatcher is a statist Commieservative. She wanted increased police power, increased taxes (the Poll Tax), and screwed over the Producers in favour of the Looters. I can understand why you could falsely assume the Conservative Party are Right Wing, even though they've always been on the Left of the political specturm and were the original Left Wing Party here in the UK as I've explained in one of my videos on Oswald Mosley ( https://youtu.be/AGaPaOPNubo ). However, the Tory Party are Left-Wingers statists, and so was Maggie.
I will remind you of the trash piling up in the streets of 1970s Britain due to the socialist policies of the Fascists (trade unionism and the government). Another YouTuber (that's right, not me) has done an overview of the Post-War concensus which resulted in the disastrous economic situation in the 1970s and 80s, which Maggie was responding to https://youtu.be/C4qepKR3akA?si=b-_7uTXKSBP8d_oV
I don't like Thatcher or the Conservatives, and I don't agree with her or them. That said, the economic situation was disastrous, and when the market controls were somewhat lifted (not entirely), and the nationalised industries were semi-privatised just like the railroads (which, as I've explained in a video, were never made private https://youtu.be/tCHyNw5lEl0 ). Thatcher wasn't for a free market, but she did free it up sufficiently to allow the economy to actually function, and must be given credit for that, even if she was a dispicable person overall.
The fact that you went the opposite direction - that you decided you preferred rolling blackouts, stagnent wages, low productivity and low employment (all things Socialism is good at producing) - only highlights how wrong your assessment is of me or of politics and economics as a whole. It is you, sir, who would benefit from watching my videos and questioning those long-standing beliefs you've developed, since it was the National Socialists who implemented a welfare state very similar to the Labour Party implemented after the war, and yet it is that system that you crave so much.
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When a religion is wrong about science, balance is not appropriate.
Socialism is a religion. "Balance" (which, in this case, means give the cult a lot more praise) is neither appropriate nor possible, especially for someone who once fell for the lies.
Socialism has led to millions of deaths and the impoverishment of every place it's been tried. As an "academic", if you cannot recognise this, or explain why this is the case without using the BS excuse of "that wasn't real socialism", then it just confirms that academia is a failure.
Bias is inherent to the sources. If you watch my video on "But how do you know you're right", I explain how we get around this.
However, when most socialists and communists haven't even read the Communist Manifesto, and don't know that Karl Marx called for central banking, or that the interest rate set by said Central Banks centrally distorts and regulates the price of every good and service in the entire economy, and that's why we have people ignorantly proclaiming that we live in a "free market" because their religious leaders (the professor's in western universities) have preached that the free market is the cause of all our problems - in such a scenario, I don't see why I'm not allowed to push back against their nonsense.
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There's a quote I gave in the video from a Major Shan Hackett. Well, prior to the point I quote in the video, he says this:
"I was then commanding 'C' Squadron of the 8th Hussars, in Honeys, working with the 11th Hussars, the KDGs and the South African Armoured Car boys - all very good regiments." - Major Shan Hackett, commanding ‘C’ Squadron, 8th Hussars, quoted from Neillands, “Desert Rats,” p108.
So I'm not saying Fletcher is wrong, and I'm not sayinf Chieftain is wrong either. Rather, I think the British subsequently referred to them as Honeys, which may or may not have occurred during the war. Regardless, it's easier for me to say "Honeys" than it is to keep saying "M3 Light Tanks".
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"If having some socialist policies or "socialism" in the name isn't enough to be a socialist state, even going so far as to have literal government-provided healthcare, what does that mean?" - gnet kuji
The Labour Party in the capitalist UK is socialist. To deny that is bending the truth. Here are some of their current policies -
"Labour will learn from these experiences and bring key utilities back into public ownership to deliver lower prices, more accountability and a more sustainable economy." and "Public ownership will benefit consumers, ensuring that their interests are put first and that there is democratic accountability for the service." https://labour.org.uk/manifesto/creating-economy-works/#eighth They also want to renationalize the postal service.
One of their policies is literally called "Towards a National Education Service" https://labour.org.uk/manifesto/education/#first
"We will make the building of new homes, including council homes, a priority through our National Transformation Fund, as part of a joined-up industrial and skills strategy that ensures a vibrant construction sector with a skilled workforce and rights at work." https://labour.org.uk/manifesto/secure-homes-for-all/#first Social housing.
But how can this be, gnet? How can this be? By your logic, a capitalist state can't have socialist parties or policies within it.
"True Conservatism means a commitment to country and community; a belief not just in society but in the good that government can do; a respect for the local and national institutions that bind us together; an insight that change is inevitable and change can be good, but that change should be shaped, through strong leadership and clear principles, for the common good" - Conservative Party Manifesto, 2017, Page 11.
They're into "keeping taxes as low as possible" (which means a reduction of the public sector), "increaseing trade", "reducing the cost of regulation" (less state intervention), "protecting private pensions" (but not public-state pensions), and talks about investing and backing small businesses etc.
But how can this be, gnet? How can this be? By your logic, you can't have a capitalist party in a state where social(ist) welfare exists.
""Socialism is in every nation, as is capitalism." And thus, we are right back to the crux of the problem. Your definitions of both capitalism and socialism are so muddled and vague that you can apply both to literally everything everywhere at all times." - gnet kuji
Again, it's not hard. Socialism is the social (public) ownership of the means of production. Change the word "public" for worker, and you get Marxist socialism. Change the word "public" to German-Aryan, and you get National Socialism.
Also bear in mind that Hitler and the National Socialists destroyed trade in Germany by 1934 because they didn't like international capital (which is the opposite of what the Conservative Party want) and introduced their own National Education Service (the Hitler Youth), plus didn't nationalize all businesses (which even the Labour Party in the UK aren't calling for) and suddenly you see that National Socialism is actually socialism.
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As I have just replied to people elsewhere - Socialism is the social ownership of the means of production. If it is the social (worker) ownership of the means of production, then it's Marxism. If it is the social (German/Aryan) ownership of the means of production, then it is National Socialism.
If a businessman was German, then he is allowed to have property and businesses. If he was foreign, or Jewish, he wouldn't be allowed to have property or businesses. National Socialism is the social (German) ownership of the means of production. Germans can have businesses and private property. HOWEVER, the Race comes first. So, if the Race/state decides that you're not working for the race/state, you and your property and businesses can be seized, for the greater-German (socialist) race.
If you are non-German, your property and businesses are to be seized and you are to be 'removed' from society. The only issue is how the state will remove you. The Final Solution to that problem was execution.
For a Marxist, socialism is the social (worker) ownership of the means of production. This is different.
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"Maybe he isnt good at analyzing political history of communism/socialism but we can all agree that he is good at general history during period of ww2, especially war history as it is shown from his other videos."
You can't have the Holocaust or the mass-atrocities committed on the Eastern Front and across Europe during WW2 without National Socialism being socialism. This entire debate is vitally important to that understanding.
"He will have to change his opinion at some point if he wants to be taken seriously ever again by an huge heap of his former audience."
History does not bow down to groups of people. If one group of people cannot accept what history is, then there's no point watching a history channel. I'm not giving into social pressure if I'm right.
"Ownership of enterprises by a capitalist state does not constitute 'social ownership', as the state is not controlled by working people."
Socialism is the social ownership of the means of production. If it is the social (worker) ownership of the means of production, then it's Marxism. If it is the social (German/Aryan) ownership of the means of production, then it is National Socialism.
"A state is either capitalist or socialist."
Then what is Britain today? What is the USA today? What is every country in Europe today? They are a blend of socialism and capitalism.
"A state can be capitalist and have social programs, but it remains a capitalist country because capitalists control these programs."
At what point does it tip over into the socialist camp then? Is there a particular line? Perhaps if EVERY Jewish person was removed from Germany, that would constitue as "full-socialism" to you?
"If National Socialism does not conform to the Marxist definition of socialism, it can not be called a branch of Marxist socialism."
IT'S NOT MARXIST SOCIALISM. Seriously, we're NOT discussing Marxist socialism.
"To Marxists, history is driven by class relations and natural processes. To National Socialists, history is driven by the ideological struggle between races. They are incompatible views of history and society."
Really? Because they both have the social ownership of the means of production - which is socialism. It's not capitalism. In fact, Hitler was anti-capitalist.
"Their idea of socialism was a society where all classes worked harmoniously for the common cause of the nation (a completely different definition of socialism than had been used by any marxist, anarchist, or utopian socialist before)."
Yeah, because it's not Marxist Socialism.
"There is not a single historical definition of socialism."
Social ownership of the means of production. There are variations, but that is, broadly speaking, it.
"You assume you understand socialism because this is what the media tells you socialism is."
What? The media is not saying National Socialism is socialism.
"You have read every source except those from the socialists themselves."
I've not read every single source, but I've read Das Kapital and Mein Kampf. I've also read widely on the subject.
"You have even read Hitler, despite his vehement opposition to communists."
He doesn't like Marxists. GREAT. But that doesn't mean he's not socialist.
"I think it's time you put aside your pre-conceived notions and read the original documents."
I think it's time you put aside your pre-conceived notions and listen to what I'm actually saying. Me reading the original documents was what caused the penny to drop with me in the first place. Until recently, I also thought that National Socialism wasn't socialism. I now see the error of that line of thinking. I have put aside my pre-conceived notions are re-evaluated my perception of what National Socialism was, and have reassessed it for what it actually was. National Socialism is the social (German/Aryan) ownership of the means of production. That is what it is.
"I personally cannot recall a single state in human history that fits the definition of 'socialism' based on their theoretical descriptions."
This is the problem. Because if you're Marxist, you want to claim that no socialist state was "real socialism" so that you can then claim that Marxist socialism hasn't bee tried, and thus is still valid. This is the postmodernism element of the Marxist theory doing the rounds - redefine what socialism is, and deny that the other forms of socialism were socialism. The problem is, history does not bow down to ideology.
My definition of socialism (the "state doing stuff" as some people have claimed, but is actually the social (state) ownership of the means of production) fits every single form of socialism, be it policy, an actually government, society, or revolution.
"So, just to recap, I asserted that TIK's stance is "States = Socialism" and "Socialism built the Pyramids!"
Socialism is the social (state) ownership of the means of production. Replace "state" with worker, or Aryan, or whatever, and you still have socialism.
"TIK, mate, if you literally cannot find a state your definition doesn't call Socialist..."
Socialism is the social ownership of the means of production. If it is the social (worker) ownership of the means of production, then it's Marxism. If it is the social (German/Aryan) ownership of the means of production, then it is National Socialism.
"show me literally any state in history which TIK's argument would not call Socialism. TIK said Britain. I pointed to the NHS. TIK said that's because Britain is Socialist. Which means TIK, with the whole of human history to choose from, has still yet to find even a single state which his definition would not call Socialist."
I did that to show you that it's not a switch. It is a dial. You point to ANY capitalist or socialist state and I'll tell you where there is capitalism or socialism in it. That's because my definition of socialism is not restricted to one minor branch of socialism like yours is.
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"Which is it, TIK?"
It's capitalism with some socialism. I think I've made that very clear now.
"Don't double-talk, just tell me which one it is."
Again, this isn't a switch, so your question is invalid.
"If Britain fails to be a socialist state using this criteria, then so does Nazi Germany."
But it doesn't fail to be a socialist state. The NHS (social ownership) shows that it is socialism.
"If Nazi Germany and Britain are both Socialist states, then either, as I have asserted, you really are defining all states as Socialist, and you're wrong to call it a strawman when people refer to your arguments as such, or there must be some state somewhere to which you can point to disprove that definition."
Then disprove that these states didn't have social ownership.
"So we're back to you not succeeding at what should be a trivial challenge if I'm wrong."
You failing to grasp what I'm saying, and me tricking you by picking Britain, has absolutely proven my argument to be correct.
"Show me an actual example of a historically existing state which qualifies as capitalist but cannot be reclassified as socialist using the working definition of socialism you have been arguing."
Socialism is in every nation, as is capitalism.
"...or, perhaps, and I know this might seem like an infinitesimally small possibility, but just maybe... your definition of what is or is not socialism/capitalism is nonsensical, contradictory, and arbitrary. Just a thought."
Or... perhaps... you haven't quite grasped what I'm saying. Socialism is social ownership - that is the definition. Therefore, it exists in policies as much as in parties, states and governments. You can have a capitalist state, but with some socialist policies. That state would be classed as capitalist, even if it had some socialist policies. The same is true with socialist states with hints of capitalism, like National Socialist Germany. It is a dial, not a switch.
Interestingly, my nonsensical, contradictory, and arbitrary definition of what is or is not socialism/capitalism is the historical definition. Again, socialism is social ownership. That is the definition. If the workers own the social ownership, that's Marxism. If the Aryan Germans own it, that's National Socialism in the Third Reich. If the Labour Party gets the government to nationalize the health-service (the NHS), then the Labour Party is socialist. My definition of socialism makes perfect sense. Your definition just means Marxist socialism - and that's absolutely, historically, incorrect.
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"Then you have failed to do what I explicitly asked you to do, which was to point to any capitalist state, ever, which could not be defined as a socialist state using your definition."
No, because that's the point - my definition of socialism includes all socialist policies. So even if there was a government which was as capitalist as they come, but had just one socially-owned business (e.g. they nationalised the postal service), then that is a socialist policy. To deny that is to deny the definition of socialism as history - and you, and many other Marxists say it is - social ownership.
"If that isn't your definition, then you should be able to point to a capitalist state where using your definition won't reclassify it as socialist."
Socialism is not a switch. It's a dial. Therefore, Britain is a capitalist state. However, it has some socialist policies. Therefore, it is moderately socialist on the dial. Compare this to National Socialism which has turned the switch up further. I'm not sure why this is so hard for you to grasp.
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"A reminder: Literally every argument TIK has rests on the assumption that anything a state does can be classified as "socialist" and therefore the Nazis were socialist."
Talk about a strawman. As I said above -
"There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them,[13] though social ownership is the common element shared by its various forms." Wikipedia
In National Socialist thinking, Aryans (the social-bit) seized the means of production from the Jews, and now owned the economy (social ownership), then self-managed the means of production. By doing so, they had to rid the Jews from society - so, their removal of the Jews from society is evidence of their socialism.
To use wikipedia again - "Capitalism is an economic system based on private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit.[1][2][3] Characteristics central to capitalism include private property, capital accumulation, wage labor, voluntary exchange, a price system, and competitive markets."
I can point to many governments which include private property, capital accumulation, wage labour, voluntary exchange, a price system, and competitive markets. What I cannot do is then use this to explain how did capitalist free-market forces (competitive markets) and supply and demand (voluntary exchange) resulted in the gas chambers at Auschwitz, the concentration camps, and the death camps?. Why? Because it wasn't capitalism.
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"I looked at the page 198, there is no mention of capital or even Marx. May be give the quote itself? I previously searched for keywords and the only single place where i found hitler mentioning das kapital was where he was shitting on it as a jewish book, written to fool the people. Nothing about class struggle."
You're reading the Russian version of Mein Kampf, aren't you? I shall quote from it (and put the quote in the context of the chapter) -
"I began to study again and thus it was that I first came to understand perfectly what was the substance and purpse of the life-work of the Jew, Karl Marx. His Capital became intelligible to me now for the first time. And in the light of it I now exactly understood the fight of the Social-Democrats against national economics, a fight which was to prepare the ground for the hegemony of a real international and stock-exchange capital." Hitler, Mein Kampf, Jaico 2017, Page 198.
Prior to this point, Hitler is talking about how he isn't a fan of capitalism. He says he reads Das Kapital (written by Karl Marx) and comes to the opinion that globilization was bad (to put it basically). So this is (partly) where he's saying he doesn't want international capitalism.
"The struggle against international finance capital and loan-capital has become one of hte most important points in the programme on which the German nation has based its fight for economic freedom and independence." - Hitler, Mein Kampf, P197
He says that capitalism brought about the First World War. From this (later), the then goes on to say that Marxism is being used by the Jews to bring about social-equality based on class, which then will allow the Jews to inter-breed with the Aryans and bring about the downfall of civilization. He then says -
“Just as he [the Jew] succeeded in obtaining civic rights by intrigues carried on under the protection of the bourgeois class, he now hoped that by joining in the struggle which the workers were waging for their own existence he would be able to obtain full control over them.” Page 290
“When that moment arrives, then the only objective the workers will have to fight for will be the future of the Jewish people. Without knowing it, the worker is placing himself at the service of the very power against which he believes he is fighting.” Page 290
“This Marxist doctrine is an individual mixture of human reason and human absurdity; but the
combination is arranged in such a way that only the absurd part of it could ever be put into practice, but never the reasonable part of it. By categorically repudiating the personal worth of the individual and also the nation and its racial constituent, this doctrine destroys the fundamental basis of all civilization; for civilization essentially depends on these very factors. Such is the true essence of the Marxist Weltanschauung, so far as the word Weltanschauung can be applied at all to this phantom arising from a criminal brain. The destruction of the concept of personality and of race removes the chief obstacle which barred the way to domination of the social body by its inferior elements, which are the Jews.”
Page 290-291 (Weltanschauug means 'world view')
“The racial Weltanschauung is fundamentally distinguished from the Marxist by reason of the fact that the former recognizes the significance of race and therefore also personal worth and has made these the pillars of its structure.” Page 406 (National Socialism and Marxist socialism are not the same because Marxism is based on class, whereas the racial element is the main element of National Socialism)
“If the National Socialist Movement should fail to understand the fundamental importance of this essential principle, if it should merely varnish the external appearance of the present State and adopt the majority principle, it would really do nothing more than compete with Marxism on its own ground. For that reason it would not have the right to call itself a Weltanschauung. If the social programme of the movement consisted in eliminating personality and putting the multitude in its place, then National Socialism would be corrupted with the poison of Marxism, just as our national-bourgeois parties are.” Page 406-407
“We, National Socialists, would reverse this formula and would adopt the following axiom: A strong national Reich which recognizes and protects to the largest possible measure the rights of its citizens both within and outside its frontiers can allow freedom to reign at home without trembling for the safety of the State. On the other hand, a strong national Government can intervene to a considerable degree in the liberties of the individual subject as well as in the liberties of the constituent states without thereby weakening the ideal of the Reich;” Page 510-511 (you can be capitalist, so long as you fall in line with the state)
“The internationalization of our German economic system, that is to say, the transference of our productive forces to the control of Jewish international finance, can be completely carried out only in a State that has been politically Bolshevized. But the Marxist fighting forces, commanded by international and Jewish stock-exchange capital, cannot finally smash the national resistance in Germany without friendly help from outside.” Page 555
“The Jewish way of reasoning thus becomes quite clear. The Bolshevization of Germany, that is to say, the extermination of the patriotic and national German intellectuals, thus making it possible to force German Labour to bear the yoke of international Jewish finance - that is only the overture to the movement for expanding Jewish power on a wider scale and finally subjugating the world to its rule.” Page 556
Yeah, this wasn't capitalism.
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"Nice strawman to repeat a question over and over you probably already have an answer to."
It's not a strawman. It's a genuine question that nobody seems to be able to answer.
"The labour camps (as most of the death camps were first labour camps) filled with political opponents (Jews, socialists, social-democrats) benefitted these proto-multinationals greatly as they supplied them with cheap labour force, resulting in higher profits."
If they were cheap labour, why kill them?
"As the need for food and housing was rising,"
Sounds like a social problem.
"with more (mostly soviet) prisoners pouring in,"
They recieved the most Soviet prisoners in 1941 during Barbarossa, and starved 3 million of them by 1942. This was before the main portion of the Holocast had even begun. The Wannsee Conference only happened in the January of 1942.
"Auschwitz became a huge complex due to the demand of IG Farben for more labourers."
Which they then decided to kill en masse... for profit... somehow? Remember all those businesses that execute their employees when they need to cut back on staff?
"These camps were run by state officials,"
Hmmmmmm.... very interesting. It's like we're getting somewhere now.
"but the profits benefitted the large private German companies and high ranking partymembers (many of them being owners of said companies)"
German companies and German party members and German Aryans... you mean, only Germans could profit from this? Why was there no Jewish businessmen profiting from this? Is it because the Aryans had gained social ownership of the means of production?
"this problem could be only resolved by eliminating the redundant Jewish work force in the production process."
And they killed them during a massive labour and manpower shortage? They went against the grain of supply and demand, and killed millions of people who could have been better used to work to make more profit.
"The racial discourse helped the nazi's to further dehumanize the jews to a merely economical problem (as was stated in the Wannsee conference)"
One social-group of people are dehumanized. Another social group rises up and tackles them. What does that sound like to you? Capitalism or socialism?
"This is (state)capitalism in it's purest form. To be as effecient possible for the highest possible reward."
Incorrect, it is socialism. You can claim it isn't, but it is.
"+TIK
Have u seen FinnishBolshevik's response video?"
Yes, and just like the arguments above, it was arguing that National Socialism was capitalism, which it wasn't. Have you seen Blitz of the Reich's video where he says National Socialism wasn't capitalism? Link https://youtu.be/go9lP1vZL8I
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As I have just replied to people elsewhere - Socialism is the social ownership of the means of production. If it is the social (worker) ownership of the means of production, then it's Marxism. If it is the social (German/Aryan) ownership of the means of production, then it is National Socialism.
If a businessman was German, then he is allowed to have property and businesses. If he was foreign, or Jewish, he wouldn't be allowed to have property or businesses. National Socialism is the social (German) ownership of the means of production. Germans can have businesses and private property. HOWEVER, the Race comes first. So, if the Race/state decides that you're not working for the race/state, you and your property and businesses can be seized, for the greater-German (socialist) race.
If you are non-German, your property and businesses are to be seized and you are to be 'removed' from society. The only issue is how the state will remove you. The Final Solution to that problem was execution.
For a Marxist, socialism is the social (worker) ownership of the means of production. This is different.
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"Socialism refers to the power structure of the classes. In capitalism the power is owned by the capitalist, in socialism, the workers and peasants rule." and "Wealth redistribution and welfareism is NOT socialism. You expect to have welfare in socialism, but that's not the core."
This is Marxist Socialism only.
"Ban labor unions. purge Rhöm and his faction. Give military contracts to industry allies. Treat workers like shit."
They replaced labour unions which were deamed to be anti-German and pro-Jewish, replaced them with the German Labour Front to promote German workers rights. They purged ~1,000 people from the 3,000,000 SA - and by the same token, Stalin Purged many socialists, does that mean he's not socialist either? They gave military contracts to industrial allies who were German, and this is fine.
"When you cite sources so thoroughly refuted as Jordan Peterson, it's hard to take you seriously."
I didn't cite him as a source - I linked to his video on Postmodernism because it's relevant to people who deny the Holocaust. Denying that National Socialism is socialism allows the denialists to claim that the Holocaust didn't happen, and this is why postmodernism is bad. Plus, I have read Tooze. Eco's Fascism is irrelevant because Fascism and National Socialism are not the same thing.
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"A socialist state is a state that primarily defend the interests of the proletariat, the working class."
Nope, that's Marxist socialism. When you look at social-democracy and National Socialism, they do not necessarily defend the interests of the proletariat. A better definition is -
"A socialist state is a state that primarily defends the social ownership of the means of production."
This definition includes Marxist-socialism, social-democracy, and National Socialism.
"in this sense, neither Nazi Germany nor Stalinist Russia had a socialist state."
Oh yes, because they weren't 'real socialism'. If you pretend that they're not 'real socialism' like a good postmodernist should, you can pretend that Marxist socialism works, even though the evidence shows that socialism has many flaws that are worse than capitalism. This goes against your ideology, so the best way for you to get around it is to pretend that these socialisms weren't 'real socialism'. Unfortunately, history does not bow down to political ideology. They were both socialisms.
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"TIK is correct if he would state different definitions of socialism exist."
I did say that.
"TIK would be correct to state that apart from the marxist definition, their exist the view that social-democracy is socialist, or the view that several Americans have, that Europe is socialist because they have social welfare, public health services and public education services."
I did say that.
"TIK could also be argued to be correct if he would state that Hitler and the Nazi's considered themselves to be socialist (even if the Strasserism branch would disagree)."
I did say that.
"TIK however cannot be argued to be correct when he declares Hitler's definition of socialism to be the a correct definition of socialism."
I have never once said that. Don't put words in my mouth. I've said that National Socialism was a form of socialism. That has been my argument all along.
"TIK cannot be agued to be correct when he declares "nationalized economies, as opposed to free-market economies", to be the sole correct definition of socialism."
You tell me what definition of socialism (not Marxist socialism) you'd prefer, and I'll use that to show you how National Socialism was a form of socialism.
"TIK cannot be argued to be correct when he is placing the marxist definition on the same level as the American definition - nice theory, but wrong - and declaring the degree of state intervention and free market forces the only correct definition of the difference between socialism and capitalism."
Point me to a socialist state which does not have heavy state intervention in the economy.
"TIK most certainly cannot be considered correct when he states the Wikipedia definition of socialism and capitalism, than violates them while being totally blind for the fact he violates them!""
I did not violate them.
"Don't make me laugh haha. Refusing to understanding of national socialism beaucse it goes. Against his political beliefs!!"
And what are my political beliefs, kovy? Since I've been accused of being a fascist, nazi, a communist, a socialist, a 'libtard', an an anti-American, a pro-British, an anti-German, a pro-German, a conservative, and an anti-capitalist, I'd really like to hear your opinion.
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Ah ok :) so, the scoring system is like you'd get in school - +A, A, B, C etc But for a degree (in the UK) it goes 1st, 2nd, 3rd, fail. The way that's represented is 1, 2, 3, and fail. However, they then added in an extra number for some reason, so now it goes, 1, 2:1, 2:2, 3, and fail. The scores are based on the % points you get in your essays and exams. So to get a 1st, you needed to get 70% or more. For a 2:1, you had to get over 60%. For a 2:2 over 50%. And a 3rd, you needed 40%. The numbers might be off because it was like 10 years ago now since I was in university, but that's what I remember.
I did get firsts in one of my essays (interestingly, the only essay related to WW2), but most of the subjects at university didn't interest me, so I didn't really try too hard. I was aiming for a 2:1, so I got one. I actually tried a lot harder at college because they were talking about Britain and Germany between the years 1850 and 1950 :)
As far as I'm aware, a "Major" means you've taken a degree which they've fully committed to - which is what I did. But you can Minor in a secondary subject. So if I'd taken history for 75% of the time, but done English for 25% of the course, I would have Majored in History, and got a minor in English. I'm not sure if that's exactly it because I didn't do that, but I think that's right.
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Gary Thomas And don't forget about Project A, and B, and C, and D, and E, and F, and G, and H, and I, and J, and K, and L, and M, and N, and O, and P, and Q, and R, and S, and T, and U, and V...
And Z? Yeah, Y not ;)
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Paddy. Firstly, I know that Ike was promoted - I mentioned this in my Purges video. Second, there's a difference between leading troops in combat and leading army groups, which is what Ike did. Thirdly, Gott commanded the 7th Support Group from 1940 until prior to Crusader late 1941, which was a mixed artillery and infantry force, so yes he was used to commanding artillery, as seen in Operation Compass, Brevity and Battleaxe - all of which I've done documentaries on. And the point is that Gott failed over and over and was promoted over and over, despite clearly not being capable of the positions he was already in.
And your last point is meant to be an insult, but fails because nobody from the UK who's sane cares about the Empire. And FYI it collapsed because it was way too expensive to keep (or take in the first place - cheaper to just trade) and was completely unnecessary, especially in an era when two superpowers (one of which the UK was massively in debt to) wanted to bring it down. The whole world and the UK are better off without it.
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"nd last but not least if you live in a normal country there is a thing that counteracts the inflation, which btw is 2,9% or if you look at the adjusted inflation 1% so you are wrong again, there is a phenomenon called yearly salary increase meaning my salary is worth the same today as tomorrow."
Inflation isn't 2.9%. It's much higher than that. Official inflation will be that, or lower, but that's official inflation, which is hiding the true figure. They deliberately don't count all items. For example, house prices here in the UK have shot up to ridiculous levels. Health care in the United States is in a massive inflation bubble. And in both the UK and the USA, tuition fees have gone to the moon. In fact, the year after I started university (this was like 15 years ago), tuition fees doubled. Doubled. That's not 2% inflation. And all this is about to come crashing down. Oil prices were inflated to nearly 63 points a barrel. Now they're down to 22.39 in a matter of weeks. So, no. Inflation isn't at 2% or whatever. They're lying.
And as I mentioned in the video, yearly salary increases don't always match the official inflation rate, let alone the actual inflation rate, so you're incorrect.
"The main reason to have negative interest is to force capital to invest in the economy and not in governments."
Absolutely untrue. In order to invest, you need savings. Without the ability to build up capital, you can't have enough savings to make proper decent investments. Any and all profits will be spent instantly on anything that they can get their hands on, so it won't be true investments it'll be risky investments - which further inflates the bubble. Negative rates also give rise to more QE, which forces savings and capital to go from everyone in society to the government.
"Can you please make a video where you present your evidence for Adam smith’s invisible hand coupled with bretton woods system as you clearly are biased to it"
I'm neither a supporter of Adam Smith nor the Bretton Woods System, so I'm not going to do that.
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"Also the current global health problem shows that despite the best efforts of a lot of people, the economy still is influenced by real world problems and it's not just numbers and book-keeping."
The economy was tanking before the virus appeared. The virus was perhaps the pin, and has made the situation unfold more rapidly, but it wasn't what caused this recession. I, for example, knew that a recession was on its way and prepared accordingly. I have paid down my debts over the past couple years, and built up an emergency fund for this occasion. I've also pulled most of my money out of the banks in case we have a bank run or liquidity crisis (which we are right now, hence why they're printing like crazy). Yet most businesses didn't do that. Most businesses got into a ton of debt, and are now struggling to stay afloat. Well, I say let the bad businesses and banks fail. It's not capitalism (me) who's caused this recession, it's them. Well, let them fail.
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"Also, inflation is actually good. Without it money gets stuck so to speak with the 1%"
Inflation is bad, as you'll see if you actually watch the video and try to understand it. Inflation is being used by the 1% as a tool to steal wealth from everyone in society to them, which is why they tell you it's good. It is good - for them. But it's not good for you or me. Here's another video about inflation https://youtu.be/nnisOz2nGFc
"The threat of inflation forces companies to keep doing what they are doing and gives chances for other and newer businesses or people to do something."
It makes it harder for people like you or me to save money to create a business in the first place because our wealth is being secretly stolen from us by the 1%.
"The people who hate inflation are old bastards who bought homes dirt cheap after WW2 and refuse to fuck off and die."
You mean people who remember what it was like before WW2 when inflation wasn't really a thing, or were taught by their parents that inflation was bad, since back before WW1 there wasn't inflation, and living standards were rising rapidly year on year (unlike today).
"Inflation reduces peoples debt in comparison and most people and businesses are swimming in it."
If this was the case, then there wouldn't be debt today. Most people are in debt because they cannot make ends meet due to the inflationary policies (as described in this video).
"The reason why Thatcher's government recovered was because inflation reduced peoples debts to the point that they could actually spend money again."
That's the complete opposite of what happened. Before Thatcher there was rampant inflation in the UK, driven by the unions who kept demanding more and more of it, ruining the economy. Thatcher therefore beat them down, and tried to get the economy back on track by tackling inflation https://youtu.be/C4qepKR3akA
"If you want to fix the economy then you need to look at debt (no, not just public), household debt."
The debt comes from the central banks and the government. That's exactly what I said in the video.
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The recession we're now in was created by inflation. Inflation of the stock market, the oil industry, the debt bubble, the housing bubble, the second hand markets (e.g. cars), the academic bubble (tuition fees) and more! There's been tons of inflation. They just don't count any of that when they do their inflation calculations, because they have price controls on food and other consumer goods, and so can keep them artificially low and claim there's no inflation. Well, there is inflation. You can't currently get toilet rolls because the price for a roll is set too low. If prices could rise up to meet demand and supply, then you wouldn't have shortages. The fact that governments are setting low prices is causing the shortages. Inflation is there, but it's in the form of suppressed inflation.
Therefore to claim there's been no inflation and thus no consequences is incorrect. The current crisis is a result of the inflation and low interest rate polices of the central state banks around the world
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Adding digits to a screen is still an inflation of the currency supply. The same principles still apply. If you have more currency to spend, you have more purchasing power, which will lead to shortages in the shops, at which point prices will increase to compensate. Now, in our era, government price controls are in place for food and toilet rolls (which is why there are shortages right now, since supermarkets aren't allowed to increase prices), but inflation has still occurred (it's just suppressed for food and toilet rolls, hence shortages). Health care, house prices, stock market prices, second hand car prices, luxury items, tuition fees, other services... There's plenty of inflation about. This "old theory" therefore is the correct theory.
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"In Spain our equivalent (Seguridad Social) is fairly good in quality, though it lacks personnel."
It lacks personnel because the government is bad at managing it. If it was in the private sector, those personnel would be funded (assuming they were actually needed and it wasn't just inefficiency).
"We also have private health companies, most are good and faster but lack certain coverages (I moved from one of these to the public one because of that)."
Exactly. One of the reasons the the NHS was created was because the old private healthcare industry didn't yet cover all areas, so the NHS sped up this process. However, now that it does cover the entirety of the UK, there's no reason why it shouldn't be privatised. The government has done the one thing quicker that the private sector was unable to do. Fine. But now it's not as good or as fast as the private sector. It's time to de-nationalize.
"The civil servants also have a system called "Muface" which can give either a public or a private insurance, depending on your choice."
But who's paying for those civil servants? You are, through taxation. Are you getting 100% of your money's worth by paying them to loaf around in their jobs? If not, you could spend your money elsewhere, but you can't because you have no choice. The state steals your money and dictates to you where it goes. This is why socialism is bad. It is a fallacy to assume that a government can do better than the private sector in all circumstances - it simply cannot. It might serve a purpose at points (for example, the fire brigade is nationalized, and this makes sense), but for the vast majority of businesses, having a government official decide what to do is lunacy. They get paid whether their 'business' works or not. They therefore have no incentive to make it work, and thus it doesn't.
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"@TIK also the idea that nationalisation stifles productivity is easily disproven when you take examples. Easy ones include water and railways and now the NHS. All of which have caused a decline in customer satisfaction as well as in increased cost to the public."
Hold on, hold on... You're saying that nationalisation doesn't stifle productivity, but then list the NHS water and railways, and say this has lead to a decline in customer satisfaction and increased cost to the public. Yes, it absolutely has! The NHS costs a huge amount of money to the taxpayer every year. I know because I (as a worker) pay at least 20% of my wages in tax (and it could be higher because I can't tell where the tax is coming from because they're all stealth taxes). We're paying for a service that was promised to be "free, universal, at the point of need" which was really "expensive, universal if you're not a worker, but if you are a worker you have to pay, and at the point of need but only if the ambulance will actually turn up". Plus, because workers wages are at least robbed by 20%, they have no choice but to use the delapidated NHS and cannot go get a better service elsewhere. This then drives up prices of the private sector, and discourages innovation in the health industry.
I have friends in the NHS who complain about just how poor the whole rotten structure is. They're still using paper, when other private industries are using computers. The doctors and nurses are crying out saying that they can do it better, but the government are at fault. Again, politicians and bureaucrats cannot run a business. The NHS is failing precisely because of the government. Increased spending on the NHS will just delay the inevitable collapse.
The public deserves a 20% pay rise and a choice to use more efficient services.
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"@TIK Nope, they didn't ban private propierty."
Huh
28 February 1933 -
Order of the Reich President for the Protection of People and State
On the basis of Article 48 paragraph 2 of the Constitution of the German Reich, the following is ordered in defense against Communist state-endangering acts of violence:
§ 1. Articles 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124 and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. It is therefore permissible to restrict the rights of personal freedom [habeas corpus], freedom of (opinion) expression, including the freedom of the press, the freedom to organize and assemble, the privacy of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communications. Warrants for House searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.”
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Articles of the Weimar Constitution affected -
Article 115.
The dwelling of every German is his sanctuary and is inviolable. Exceptions may be imposed only by authority of law.
Article 153.
Property shall be guaranteed by the constitution. Its nature and limits shall be prescribed by law.
Expropriation [noun, the action by the state or an authority of taking property from its owner for public use or benefit.] shall take place only for the general good and only on the basis of law. It shall be accompanied by payment of just compensation unless otherwise provided by national law. In case of dispute over the amount of compensation recourse to the ordinary courts shall be permitted, unless otherwise provided by national law. Expropriation by the Reich over against the states, municipalities, and associations serving the public welfare may take place only upon the payment of compensation.
Property imposes obligations. Its use by its owner shall at the same time serve the public good.
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By law, individuals couldn't own property. Therefore, they cannot own businesses. The 'privatization' that took place, in fact, is a slight of hand. And there are many instances where the government exercised their power by seizing a person's personal property or businesses. The Nazis nationalized industries that didn't do as they insisted, then 're-privatized' them. But in reality those businesses could only function as part of the state, and were under control by the state, and weren't really owned by their owners.
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"@TIK class isn't an identity like "gay", "British" or "black". Class is just the way in which you make your money."
What are you chatting? You're now saying that "class" is not a social group? So according to you, class has nothing to do with socialism. Ok, so Marxism isn't socialism then.
"If the way you make your money is exploitative I.e using other people to make money for you then you are "bourgeois". So this is your bankers, landlords, and business owners."
Explain to me how hiring someone to work for them and paying them a wage is exploitative? If it was so exploitative, the workers wouldn't do it, and would lie in the gutter and go hungry. Pretty sure that a worker wants to find work, so that he can work and earn a wage, that's why he's called a 'worker'. A business owner hires a worker to work for him and pays him a wage for doing so. The worker then produces goods, increases the standard of living for everyone, and receives a wage dependant on his contribution and efficiency. That's not exploitation.
Socialism is exploitation. I know, let's tax the business owners so that they won't be able to hire as many workers. So not only are profits down, wages lower, prices of goods higher, and there's increased unemployment, but there's no room for innovation or increased productivity, and as a result you have a stagnating economy. That is exploitation in my book. A tax on ANYONE in society is a tax on living standards for everyone. This is basic economics.
"If the way you make your money isn't exploitative then your working class. For example a self employed gardener, a barista, an office worker."
And a businessman who employs someone and pays them for their employment is also not exploiting the working class either. The workers don't have to work. They choose to because they want to earn a wage. That's not exploitation.
"When socialists say we want to eliminate the bourgeoisie that doesn't mean we want to go on a murdering spree it means we want people to change the way they make money from an exploitative way to what we consider a "just" way."
Yes it does mean you want to go on a murdering spree. You want to govern the lives of other people. You want to rob people of their money and dictate to people how much they consume. You want to lower living standards of the working class, and increase unemployment. You want to violently steal money from people. Explain to me how that is "just" compared to letting people have the freedom to choose what they do with their own lives.
"Admittedly revolutionary rhetoric has in the past led to some anger towards people considered bourgeois and this led to mass killings e.g in China. But this is a fuck up of some socialists rather than what socialism is about."
Yes, because this is what happens when you put bureaucrats, politicians, and socialists in charge of an economy. Socialists don't even understand basic economics, so what chance of they have understanding how detrimental their policies are to low-income families?
When a private individual has money (even a little) he has a choice. He can spend his money where he chooses. If a business is evil, he can choose not to spend his money buying that business's goods. That business goes out of business. If the state steals the money off the private individual and gives it to 'society', the private individual no longer has a choice. If the state is evil, the individual cannot spend his money elsewhere. The state can be as corrupt as it likes, and the individual cannot do anything about that. Socialism demands less power to the private individual and All power to the Soviets!
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https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Reichstagsbrandverordnung
http://home.wlu.edu/~patchw/His_214/_handouts/Weimar%20constitution.htm
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Weimar_constitution
http://www.zum.de/psm/weimar/weimar_vve.php
https://www.marxists.org/archive/fromm/works/1961/man/ch06.htm
https://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Inflation_in_Nazi_Germany
“A nation or territory considered as an organized political community under one government.” https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/state
Mises "Planned Chaos" (an excerpt from "Socialism: An Economic & Sociological Analysis) https://youtu.be/7EnHeZXLzTc
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1. I agree, and Browning has his part to play in that, although so do others. Frost says in his memoirs that if he'd been told there was going to be armour, they could have swapped some of their mortar rounds for extra PIAT ammunition, but nobody told them. Browning is a very tempting target for blame for this and for the failure of the whole operation, especially since he had a part to play in the 82nd area with the whole - let's not go to the Nijmegen road bridge thing.
2. Agreed. Perhaps Gavin wasn't convinced. The fact that they took all the southern bridges (the closest to XXX Corps and relief), took artillery to pound the Reichswald (instead of say extra infantry units to take the last bridge) and then didn't send anyone towards the Nijmegen bridge until they were certain there wasn't going to be any counter attacks, speaks volumes in itself. Probably Browning had his part to play in that too.
There is a definite "cover your arse" zone going on, which I fully understand. However, I do wish one or more of them had come out after the war at some point and said "ok, this is what really happened" and told the truth. The truth is there somewhere in the facts. But it's been left down to us to figure out what the reasoning was because these three Generals especially didn't want a stain their reputation.
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A pattern of lies, half-truths and distortions... yet you're still wanting to know if anything he said was truthful? My question would be, why are you so desperate to trust Irving?
Why are you so intent on using something that Irving wrote? Why not use historians who haven't been proven liars in court? There's plenty of actual historians out there - Citino, Glantz, Stahel, Zitelmann, Fritz, Evans, Rees, Kershaw (Robert & Ian), Zitelmann... I mean, the list goes on. Yet you're obsessing over one distorian. History theory even says to use multiple sources, yet Irving supporters dismiss all of the others. Yes, I disagree with the lamestream over the Hitler Socialism issue, but I still use their books, and enjoy their works. I just realize that they're wrong on one particular interpretation issue. Yet, when Irving has been proven to lie and falsify historical evidence in order to both make Hitler look amazing and say the Holocaust didn't happen, you're willing to stand by him, because...? It makes zero sense.
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"Do you know if he actively misused every single piece of information he acquired?"
As Richard Evans said (and I quoted in the video) -
“Irving has done all of these things from the very beginning of his career. Not one of his books, speeches or articles, not one paragraph, not one sentence in any of them, can be taken on trust as an accurate representation of its historical subject. All of them are completely worthless as history, because Irving cannot be trusted anywhere, in any of them, to give a reliable account of what he is talking or writing about. It may seem an absurd semantic dispute to deny the appellation of 'historian' to someone who has written two dozen books or more about historical subjects. But if we mean by historian someone who is concerned to discover the truth about the past, and to give as accurate a representation of it as possible, then Irving is not a historian. Those in the know, indeed, are accustomed to avoid the term altogether when referring to him and use some circumlocution such as 'historical writer' instead. Irving is essentially an ideologue who uses history for his own political purposes; he is not primarily concerned with discovering and interpreting what happened in the past, he is concerned merely to give a selective and tendentious account of it in order to further his own ideological ends in the present. The true historian's primary concern, however, is with the past. That is why, in the end, Irving is not a historian.” - Evans, “Holocaust Denial On Trial: Expert Witness Report,” https://www.hdot.org/evans/#
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I see, you expect everyone (literally everyone) to be able to read German, go to Germany, spend years in the German archives, find the documents (bearing in mind, as Evans explains, a lot of Irving's references were poor, making it difficult to find the relevant documents or parts of documents) and then judge them for yourself, whilst remembering to know the context for each one (meaning you'll have to do additional research on top)?
It's impossible to ask this of the average person. Therefore, the historian's job is to do that for people.
Unfortunately some distorians claim that every historian is like them. This is not true. The role of a historian is to give an accurate representation of the past, using the evidence provided. Yes, there's room for interpretation in there, but ultimately the evidence has to be used accurately. As Evans shows, Irving isn't even using the evidence correctly. That's not an interpretation issue, it's an evidence issue - and if you're going to falsify the evidence then you may as well be writing fiction.
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I disagree. The purpose of this channel is to educate, and that includes people who I don't agree with, like the Nazis and Marxists. If I just dismiss others I don't agree with, then I'd no longer be educating them, and this channel would lose it's fundamental purpose.
This video doesn't fuel their racism, it holds up a mirror and says "your hero is distorting history". That, at the very least, will convince some to rethink. And there are several others in the comments who have said that they were tempted to read Irving, but won't now.
In regards to the pinned comment explaining that Holocaust Denialism isn't banned in "every" country, like the deniers claim, this was done because I knew from experience that many of the comments would make that claim. It was a successful preemptive strike that prevented them from using that claim to gain some sort of legitimacy. Again, there will be Nazis reading the facts for the first time, and realising that they'd been sold a lie.
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"I thought you believed fascism was the idea that the people could be compelled to socialism through war (it strengthens in-group bonds)."
No, I never said that. Fascism is Marxism on the national level rather than the international level.
"And that the racial aspect of national socialism was the byproduct of a more homogeneous German population relative to Italy."
I mean, that might have been the case. However, all three ideologies - Marxism, Fascism, and National Socialism - have similar ideological roots which is why the Socialism element (state-control of the means of production) looks the same in each regime. Yes, one's classist, the other is racist, and the other nationalist, but they're all socialist.
"Many British certainly believed they were of a superior race."
Because those individuals are racists. But that doesn't necessarily mean they believe in Socialism or the Racial Theory of History.
"The common definition of nationalism are broad enough to include patriotism."
Patriotism doesn't require a state. You can be patriotic for 'your land', even if that land has no state (anarchy). You cannot be nationalist and anarchist because that's the total opposite.
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Fascists don't believe in the Racial Theory of History, and there were Jews in the Fascist Party of Italy. See: Farrell, "Mussolini A New Life," Chapter Eleven -
“Furthermore, the Fascists were not racist - necessarily. Mussolini believed, for example, that race was not a biological phenomenon but a spiritual one.”
“A Jew could certainly be an Italian. Many of the most committed Fascists were Jews…”
“Given Italy’s rich racial mix, Nazi style racism would have been quite impossible in Italy anyway. The Fascists did not advocate the extermination of Jews. The Nazis did.”
(I have it on Kindle so no page numbers unfortunately)
It was only after Mussolini saw Hitler in 1938 (16 years after Mussolini took power) that this began to change, but even then, the affects were rather limited compared to what was going on in Germany. For example, when Starace wanted to expel all Jews from the PNF (Italian Fascist Party), Mussolini stopped him. The first anti-semitic law in September ordered all foreign Jews which had come to Italy since 1919 had to get out within six months. This was followed up by another decree saying no member of the Jewish race could be a teacher or a student. They defined the Jewish ‘race’ on religion, not biology, so not only were ‘loyal’ Jews exempt from the law because of their patriotism, but as Farrell says, the Jews could 'convert' to Fascism if they wanted to avoid the persecution. Farrell - “These exemptions were a clear reflection of why the Fascists objected to the Jews. What counter was spirit, not race. Fascist anti-Semitism was, therefore, akin to the hatred of the infidel - of nonbelievers. But a Jew could embrace the Fascist faith, convert to Fascism, if he so chose.”
Farrell - “But the discrimination introduced by Mussolini - though it did not involved violence at all - was indeed persecution. Mussolini had no intention of putting Jews in concentration camps or exterminating them but life for Jews in Italy became very harsh after the bulk of the laws against them came into force in December 1938.”
So yes, I'm not saying that the Fascists were great or anything, but they were simply not the same as the National Socialists.
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You're right. However, I do want to explain myself, because normally I am quite concise.
If I don't qualify what I say, people will complain that I said stuff I didn't say because they didn't listen and take in what I said. This is, in fact, a direct reaction to previous videos on German numbers where such reactions were made by viewers. You can see this if you watch "Your Perception of the Eastern Front is Wrong" and "The Numbers say it all" videos.
I have discovered that it is in those videos where I am concise and make the point sharply where people become belligerent and complain. My recent "National Socialism was Socialism" videos are quite obvious with this. People complained in those videos, but then didn't complain in the video immediately after them which was further evidence in support of what I said in those videos. And the reason they didn't complain was because I was too short in my explanation in the NS videos, so they didn't grasp the concept I was trying to get across. In the video after it, I was much more subtle (to the point that at first glance the video has nothing to do with the NS videos). Yet it absolutely does - and the same people complaining (more screaming) that I was wrong in the NS video were actually praising me in the post-NS video, even though they shouldn't. Therefore, waffle has its place, and when I waffle, it means I've been burned before on this topic.
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I have a couple of German history books (which I'm guessing would be - Ich habe zwei Deutsches Geschichtsbücher). One is "Stalingrad: Mythos und Wirklichkeit einer Schlacht" by Wette and Ueberschär, and "Der Panzer und die Mechanisierung des Krieges" by Pöhlmann. I'm not yet at a stage where I can read them,, but I am picking up words and recognising them. They're an incentive to keep on trying.
The main issue I have is that I can't dedicate much time to learning German. Per day I'm only spending 20 minutes learning German, which is all I can spare from my (currently) 75+ hour per week work week on this channel. Like learning guitar, if I could spend 75+ hours a week studying German, I'd probably pick it up pretty quickly, but I'm simply not able to break away from making videos and keeping the channel afloat.
I did start to play Himmelsrand though, which actually helps, even if the language is a bit oldie-German. But again, I hardly get the time to play games these days, so it's once in a blue moon if I play it.
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"You want to debunk Keitel and Suvorov, but fail to explain how the Soviets actually captured over 20 countries."
Ok, so I'm not sure why a post-ww2 issue has come up in a video talking about a pre-ww2 issue, because that's like saying I've found a cup that says "made in 59bc!" on the bottom. That's impossible because how would the guy who created the cup have known that in 59 years Jesus would be born/killed (I'm not familiar with the Jesus story, but you get the point). You can't tell what's going to happen in the future, and the Nazis couldn't predict that either.
The Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact was before the war, and was a deal between the Nationalsocialists and the Marxist-Socialists of the Soviet Union which carved up Europe between the two powers. Therefore, any invasions by the Soviet Union in the 1939-1941 period were agreed upon by the Germans. After the war, you're really talking about the start of the Cold War, but that doesn't factor in to what happened in 1941 because that hadn't happened yet.
"Not only are you embarrassing, but you should be ashamed."
What should I be ashamed of exactly? I should be ashamed of not distorting history? The Soviet Union was a terrible empire with a socialist-government that resulted in millions of deaths. Stalin was pure evil. However, there is substantial evidence that says that he was not going to invade Germany in 1941. Look at my "State of Soviet Artillery video" which basically sums up the absolute dire situation the Soviets were in prior to Barbarossa, and shows that they were definitely not capable of launching an attack. Sources are listed in the pinned comment of that video https://youtu.be/dprGvO5GG9c
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I'm sorry for using hard facts and evidence for form coherent logical arguments. I don't know why this upsets you, but clearly it does. By your statement then, if I'm not allowed to use logic, hard facts and evidence in my videos (because in your opinion there isn't any), what am I to use instead? Should I just make stuff up and state opinions based on my own mistaken beliefs? Become another Suvorov? No point looking into history at all, or doing research, thinking critically, or creating videos or discussions to try and find the truth or the reality. No, may as well just chest pound and say "my country is better than your country" and achieve nothing. Is that what you would prefer?
Well sadly, I'm going to continue ask questions, do research, gather evidence, think critically and create videos, because I believe this is the correct way to approach history. And yes, soldiers are human beings, every nation committed crimes, history is written by the survivors, there is logic in this war, and the point of the video was to use the Keitel and Suvorov problem to show that critical thinking is an essential skill.
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History is written by the survivors. And the problem with Suvorov's work is that he's basing his entire evidence on twisted anecdotal evidence. The fact is that the Red Army in 1941 was hopelessly unprepared for war. It was caught in the middle of a mobilization effort, and a reorganization effort (which explains why units were moving and also the dismantling of lines etc). The fact was that the units had little to no ammunition (what, no stockpiling of ammunition for this great offensive Suvorov claims?), little to no fuel for their tanks and trucks, their tank divisions didn't have trucks to move their infantry or artillery (meaning the tanks were forced to fight alone, which lead to their destruction), a portion of the tanks didn't have bored guns, their air force was in a similar dire state, and their officers were shackled by a dual-command system (which I would argue is the main lasting result of the Purges), to name a few issues.
Problems with Suvorov's thesis off the top of my head - he ignores the dire state of the Red Army, he ignores the building of multiple lines of reserve forces stretching back to Moscow (it was these forces that the Germans would run into during Barbarossa and Typhoon, although they weren't at full strength yet), he ignores the fact that Hitler had wanted to invade the Soviet Union since at least he wrote his Mein Kampf in the early 1920's, he ignores the German oil crisis, he ignores the build up of German forces on the Soviet border since mid to late 1940, he ignores numerous other issues (like the fact that Soviet troops were ordered not to counterattack across the border - why?).
Basically Suvorov can only make his thesis work by not providing all the information to the reader, and can only make sense if you don't consider the dire state of the Red Army in 1941.
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Apologies for late reply. In my opinion, the performance of 1st Airborne in the first couple days of the battle was awful. With the exception of Frost and the troops that made it to the bridge, it's hard to point to any unit and say that they did well in the Arnhem sector until the formation of the Oosterbeek pocket and the landing of the Polish Brigade. Urquhart's decision to accompany Lathbury and then the latter's decision to not to attempt an advance with 3rd Para Battalion on the first night was vital in the sense that it stopped reinforcements getting to Arnhem bridge.
However, 10th SS Panzer Division had already crossed the Waal and was sat in Nijmegen. This fact would prevent XXX Corps from getting to Arnhem until after the Arnhem bridge was lost. Potentially, the addition of another Battalion at Arnhem bridge may have allowed Frost to hold the bridge even longer. If this is the case, the 36 hour delay at Nijmegen may not have been as a big an issue as XXX Corps probably could have gotten to Arnhem bridge if that bridge was still in British hands.
It's a great argument, but I'm not convinced that Lathbury could have made it to the bridge that evening. Kraft's unit and Kampfgruppe Spindler were between Lathbury and the bridge. Spindler cut the route with a subordinate Kampfgruppe called "Harder" that evening after Frost's men had gotten through. It seems unlikely the other battalions could have squeezed past before Harder closed the gap. And whilst there was always a chance Lathbury could have fought their way through, the way the Para attack towards Arnhem on day 3 went (it was a complete disaster) it's doubtful they could have broken through.
What is perhaps more decisive is the refusal for the RAF to land the Polish Brigade (or any other British unit) to the immediate south of Arnhem bridge. The Polish Brigade was meant to have been dropped there, but were dropped near Driel because the situation had changed by the time they arrived. So if a battalion or two had been dropped south of Arnhem bridge on day 1, there could have been two, three or even four battalions at Arnhem bridge, rather than one. In that case, the British may have been able to hold the bridge long enough for XXX Corps to arrive. And 10th SS Panzer may not have gotten to Nijmegen either, meaning there may not have been a 36 hour delay as Gavin's delayed attack towards Nijmegen bridge wouldn't have been stopped by 10th SS Panzer.
In my opinion, looking at the battle after the troops had landed, Gavin made the biggest mistake. But looking at the plan prior to the troops landing, for me the biggest mistake was not landing at least one Battalion of British or Polish paras south of the Arnhem road bridge in conjunction with the units already landing to the West of Oosterbeek. Whether we blame Browning, Urquhart, the RAF or Montgomery for this, it's entirely up to you, but for me, this is a missed opportunity that would have been viable and may have changed the outcome of the battle.
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caelachyt I do the same, this is my favourite historical battle :)
I was as accurate as I could be when placing units and describing events. You might disagree with the argument about Gavin, but put that to one side as you watch the rest, as I was relatively neutral throughout (I do point out that Nijmegen wasn't taken a few times, but ignore that if it helps)
Here's a couple of things to note when you watch the first few episodes - the actual goal of the plan was to get to the coast, not Arnhem Bridge; Kraft's force at Arnhem isn't part of 9th or 10th SS, but is actually a unit of 16th Panzergrenadier Division (for some reason, I never knew that and just find it interesting); how the British at Arnhem really did a poor job of getting to the bridge (except Frost) which is best watched than described; how little manpower the Germans actually had throughout the operation; how XXX Corp's progress was actually on time until they got to Nijmegen; how there's a debate over what happened after XXX Corps got over Nijmegen bridge (we can discuss that later if you like, although you may have heard of it); how the counter-attacks by the Germans in the 101st area later on really hindered XXX Corps from getting to Arnhem; and how the Polish saved 1st Airborne.
I absolutely agree with you that had the Allies had more units on the ground, this would have been a different story. Not sure if I mentioned this in another comment to you, but Kershaw says the Germans came to the conclusion that the British should have landed two divisions on day one instead of the one they did.
I've yet to read about VIII Corps who were fighting on the right of XXX Corps. But General O'Connor was in charge of that force, and he did so well during Operation Compass that I'm surprised he wasn't able to give more support.
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+caelachyt If you think Browning should take the blame, then honestly that argument is a reasonable one to make. In fact, I was debating including him with Gavin in my ending, but decided against it because Gavin made that first decision, and the argument that Gavin was at fault was the conclusion what Neillands and Poulussen came to. So I wanted to follow their footsteps in case anyone (including yourself) questioned it. I did actually consider having another video explaining why I chose to focus on Gavin instead of Gavin and Browning, but time issues prevented me getting around to doing it.
Browning certainly messed a lot up: the fact remains he shouldn't have dropped in with his HQ, taking vital transport away from the rest of the airborne forces; he was useless when he was on the ground (literally not heard or read anything about the guy once he'd got onto the ground - except the decision to pull out of Arnhem); and approving Gavin's decision not to go for Nijmegen bridge was a vital flaw as well.
If you haven't read Poulussen's book, he goes into a lot of detail about the 82nd's movements at Nijmegen, with a focus on the misunderstanding you mentioned. Probably the most detailed look at the 82nd at Nijmegen there is. Even if you don't agree with his conclusions, it's worth looking at. Not really light-introduction-to-the-topic read though.
I agree that Allied intelligence was wrong/ignored, so you could argue that Gavin's decision to protect against the rumor of 1,000 tanks in the Reichswald is only equal to the fact that the two SS Panzer Divisions at Arnhem were ignored.
Interestingly, the conclusion in Kershaw's book was (among other things) that it wasn't the distance from the objective that was the issue, but that they didn't land enough troops on day one. This comes back to the lack of transport aircraft and the fact the RAF refused to do two drops on day one... and comes round to the planning and even the over ambitiousness of the plan. I do wonder what would have happened if there had been enough transports to get the whole (or just more) of 1st Airborne in on day one even if they'd stuck to the same landing zones.
And the point about this is, you can argue pretty much any point. You can blame Browning, I can blame Gavin, and someone else can blame the RAF, or poor planning, or whatever. And they're all valid points. The consensus is out on this issue because it's such a complicated issue, and really you just have to choose which point you think was the most important in preventing Market Garden from being successful. And if you're going to argue your point, that's fine, I just want to stress that I didn't choose Gavin because he was American and I'm some sort of arrogant "Brit". I chose him because he made the original decision. From the evidence I've seen, I do think that Market Garden was lost at Nijmegen.
Here's one for you. Imagine 1st Airborne had landed at Nijmegen and the 82nd had landed at Arnhem and done the exact same thing. Would it change my opinion? No, because in my opinion the battle was lost at Nijmegen. Even if they 82nd at Arnhem took every objective and done a much better job than 1st Airborne had done, they would have been doomed anyway because the tanks wouldn't have gotten to Oosterbeek (not Arnhem) until day 5 or 6 at the earliest. They would have been starved of supplies, and even if they'd kept their landing zones - they'd be running out of men by that point, just as 1st Airborne were.
In fact, with the exception of Frost (experienced paratrooper as he was), I'd say the commanders of 1st Airborne would have done a worse job than the 82nd did had they landed at Nijmegen. They probably wouldn't have taken as many bridges or at least not as quickly. British leadership (on a whole and with some notable exceptions) was pretty dire during both WW1 and WW2.
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@jeffrey, "is the germanic version of fascism"
There were many National Socialist movements across the world at the time, and later which aren't based on German.
"nazism is NOT about racial-identity struggle , its about nature , race is a natural component of it , but fighting other races like Marxism does on social classes that is not what nazism is about"
Oh, I guess you haven't heard of the Holocaust then? Or the mass enslaving of other races (which Hitler says in Mein Kampf)? Or the starvation of other races?
And yes, it is about race-identity struggle, and it is about removing the non-Aryans from control of the means of production, just like Marxism is about class-struggle.
"nazism is not about equality of income of fighting the rich"
Because that's not the definition of Socialism. Socialism is social-group in common control. You're thinking that Socialism is Marxism. NO, SOCIALISM IS NOT MARXISM. Marxism is a version of socialism, but it is not the definition of socialism. Being rich or equality of income is irrelevant to the definition of plain-old Socialism. This is where many people are going wrong. When I say they are Socialists, I'm not saying they are Marxists. Class has nothing to do with plain old Socialism.
"they didn't control everything"
Please read "Wages of Destruction" and "The Vampire Economy" because they did control everything. In fact, you'd be hard pressed to name something in the economy that the totalitarian state didn't control, and the term "totalitarian" should be the clue.
"they had no free market I agree with that"
Then they had control of everything. Wow, talk about a contradiction. How can they not control everything but not have a free market? If they don't have a free market, then they are socialist.
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I'm not trolling. I have plenty of evidence for what I'm saying. You're letting your ideology cloud you judgement, and until you decide to actually listen to what I'm saying, you're not going to understand. Yes it's not going to be nice when you grasp the implications (trust me, I also went through it), but you need to do it, otherwise you'll go through life believing historical distortions.
This is why many National Socialists are criticising the "traditional narrative" because many people have the wrong idea of what National Socialist ideology actually is. People think it's just racism, or just nationalism, and others actually think it's capitalism. And because they're Nazis, nobody's listening to them (which is good on the one hand, but creates bias within the historiography because their ideology is being misinterpreted).
Those denying the Holocaust are (mostly) doing it to troll the academic historians who have failed spectacularly to grasp the socialism in Nationalsocialism. I've actually been crushing Holocaust deniers in the comments by just talking about their ideology. Their entire argument folds in on itself like a pack of cards and they give in. Yes - I'm defeating deniers in literally two or three simple comments and getting them to submit! I would have made videos about it by now, but sadly I've had to do tons more research in order to gather substantial amounts of evidence in order to show Marxists what National Socialism actually was in practice. This is a huge topic and I'm deep into it, but if I have to tackle the Marxists first before tackling the National Socialists and Holocaust deniers, in order to prove that the Holocaust happened, I will.
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Fascism is socialised man, the nation, in common control. Let me explain: Mussolini got into power in 1922. But the first racial law only came in in 1938, after Hitler influenced Mussolini. Mussolini didn't mind if you were an Italian Jew, so long as you were working for a greater Italian state. It was only in 1943 when the Germans came in that the Italian Jews were in trouble. Fascism was for the national-identity, rather than race-identity, or class-identity, gender-identity (feminist socialism) etc.
So actually, Fascism, National-Socialism and Marxism are all socialisms - and therefore economic systems. But they manifest themselves differently because each has a different social-group they claim to support (workers, Italians or Aryans) and another social-group they hate (bourgeoisie, foreigners or Jews).
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"This is in stark contrast to the Marxist doctrine of a theoretical classless society."
Yes, but since I'm saying National Socialism is Socialism, Marxism is irrelevant. You think Socialism equals Marxism. That is an incorrect assessment, since Socialism came before Marxism. Socialism was born in the French Revolution along with Nationalism (they had roots beforehand). Socialism was a social-group in common control. Marxism came along and defined the class-group in common control, while National Socialism defined it as race-group in common control. When I say National Socialism is Socialism, I'm not saying National Socialism is Marxist-Socialism, which is what you're accusing me of doing.
Remember, Socialism came before Marxism. I'm not saying National Socialism was Marxism; I'm saying it was Socialism.
Here's a speech that Hitler gave in Munich 12th of April in 1922. I think you may enjoy it -
" 'NATIONAL' AND 'SOCIAL' ARE TWO IDENTICAL CONCEPTIONS. It was only the Jew who succeeded, through falsifying the social idea and turning it into Marxism, not only in divorcing the social idea from the national, but in actually representing them as utterly contradictory. That aim he has in fact achieved. At the founding of this Movement we formed the decision that we would give expression to this idea of ours of the identity of the two conceptions: despite all warnings, on the basis of what we had come to believe, on the basis of the sincerity of our will, we christened it ''National Socialist.' We said to ourselves that to be 'national' means above everything to act with a boundless and all-embracing love for the people and, if necessary, even to die for it. And similarly to be 'social' means so to build up the state and the community of the people that every individual acts in the interest of the community of the people and must be to such an extent convinced of the goodness, of the honorable straightforwardness of this community of the people as to be ready to die for it."
Very interesting, don't you think?
"And, incidentally, if you don't like to mix Nazism with Fascism for whatever reason"
It's not for whatever reason; it's because they're not the same thing. This would be like saying Feminist-Socialism is Marxist-Socialism, which would be ridiculous.
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@KorpralXI I countered you before in the other comment, but I'll copy and paste my answer again:
"he’s applying his ideology (libertarianism) to this situation"
I'm not a libertarian, and the idea that we think and are therefore not animals doesn't come from libertarian ideas.
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"his entire ideology is based on humans being rational."
No, it's based on truth being objective. Humans are not always rational, although they can be.
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"We are not rational, we are raised and developed in Nations by our parents,"
If you were born in a submarine, that doesn't make you a fish.
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"we are the result of our community"
But that doesn't mean we ARE that community.
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"and our parents."
What about orphans?
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"It’s why a Muslim and an Englishman are noticeably very different even if they were born inside of the same country."
That's religious differences, which is based on brainpower. That's not racial. And all this point does is support what I was saying, since animals don't have religions.
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"Because the Muslim has not integrated into being English"
First off, he can be. He isn't if he's only just got off the boat, but he could be integrated into the culture. But again, the issue here is religion, culture and politics, not 'race' or a lack of brainpower.
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"he has remained with his community of which he favours which is not fundamentally an English community."
Yes, that's what religions do. But religion is no proof of the existence of races or that we are animals.
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"These communities then affect the way we think,the things we believe and the traditions we inherit."
Correct. We are brought up by our parents and are influenced by the social networks around us. However, that doesn't mean we can't change those ideas, or that the ideas were "pre-determined" before we were born, which is what the National Socialists and racists believe.
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"TIK is simply wrong with his rabid individualism."
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Yes, a very good example! Thank you for giving that example!
As for the Afrika Division - some sources say it started off as the "Division zbv Afrika". Some sources say it changed names on the 28th of November-ish 1941. Some sources say it changed later. Some source say it never changed. Some sources say it was always called the Afrika Division by the troops. Some say it was later called the 90th Afrika Division.
Honestly, as much as I like to get things accurate, this is so much of a minor-issue that certainly I don't think it's worth arguing over. If the name had a massive impact on the campaign, fair enough, but it really doesn't. So, in my opinion, if people want to call it the Afrika Division, or the 90th Light Division, or the 90th Afrika Division, that's fine in my book. I see them as synonyms of the same name, if that makes sense. So I'm just calling it the 'cool' distinguishing name that's short, which is the Afrika Division.
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"Was Halder able to do more against Rommel both before and after he was dismissed?"
I don't know what the future will bring in North Africa. I'm going through it in order and learning as I go so that I don't have future events cloud my judgement for what happened earlier. Obviously I know about El Alamein etc, but individual battle decisions and actions remain mostly vague right now, and that's deliberate. That said, I don't think Halder had any influence once he was dismissed. I think that was it for him.
"Were there other German staff who also hated Rommel?"
Certainly a lot of generals in the desert disliked Rommel. Check out 20:55 in the video. I've not looked too much at his involvement in France, although I know there was criticism of Rommel because he advanced 'too fast' and disorganized his units, much like he did in his first desert offensive.
"Would you consider a video about the politics of the German staff?"
For me to cover it in detail, that would literally be an entire career in itself. I would love to do that, but I couldn't possibly commit to such an ambitious topic right now.
"and a video about the politics leading to Rommels suicide?"
It's a while away, but when I get to it, I will cover it. The current plan is to do Crusader, Courland and Stalingrad. But I'm trying to go through the North African Campaign in order, then onto Torch, Tunisa, Sicily, Italy, Normandy and onwards. The reason I want to do everything in order is so that I can confidently say 'based on what came before, Monty/Patton/whoever is was a good/bad general' etc. I want to base my judgements of characters from the context of what happened before, not based on future events. But once I get to Normandy etc, I will cover Rommel's suicide. I hope that makes sense.
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Vicious Unpolite Games - I must apologize, I've just double-checked my source, and it's not "Battleships" but "warships". Somehow I've converted this into "battleships", which is incorrect (although may have included battleships, but I trust your assessment that it was possibly only cruisers). I shall give you the quote -
"[Rommel] had cabled Mussolini on December 2nd to the effect that the fighting efficiency of Panzergruppe Afrika depended upon a continuous stream of reinforcements, fuel, ammunition, and replacement armour and artillery, and the reply, that sea traffic between Italy and Libya was becoming increasingly dangerous, and that warships were the only vessels capable of getting through - and then with only limited cargoes of fuel and ammunition - had been dismissed by him as just another example of Italian obstructiveness." Page 146-147, Pitt, B. "The Crucible of War: Auchinleck's Command." Volume II, 2001.
I can't pull this video down for that mistake, but I will correct it for the final 7-8 hour all-in-one Crusader video.
I must thank you for helping me out with the pronunciation of Italian names - I'm just about getting a grip of German, but Italian names and phrases are beyond me!
As for the Cannone da 90/53, my sources don't even mention it, which is why I haven't. Do you know which units had them during Crusader? The British also had a 94mm AA gun, but it wasn't used in the anti-tank role (which is why I didn't mention it either) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QF_3.7-inch_AA_gun
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"@TIK Who says that everyone in a group has to be exactly completely identical in every aspect? That is a ridiculous strawman, that you are slaughtering right there."
Of course they do, otherwise you don't have a group. That's the point - it doesn't make any sense.
Marx - All workers are good, all bourgeois are bad.
Hitler - All Aryans are good, all Jew are bad.
Feminists - All women are good, all men are bad.
How is any of the above true? It's not, because you cannot judge groups as being "all the same". Individuals in those groups are all painted as the same thing. But we know no two individuals are the same, so you cannot have a group. People aren't guilty by association, they're guilty only by their own actions.
"If you see a police officer you expect a certain behavior from him, because you know what the word police officer implies. And the police officer knows it, too, so he will try to not disappoint your expectation."
So ALL police officers are good and trustworthy? And none are bad? I can tell you a few stories...
"If you see a waiter, you expect him to be polite. That is a stereotype, off course. How could I say he has to be polite, just because he is a waiter. Not all waiters are the same!!11!eleven! He could be an incredibly rude person, for all I know, I never met him before, I don't know him as an individual.
But still, I will treat him like a stereotypical waiter, and he will behave like a stereotypical waiter, and we will both get along splendidly."
So all waiters are good, and you've never had a bad waiter? And all waiters who are good always have good customers because they expect all customers to be good? If I have a bad experience with a waiter, should I then conclude all waiters are bad?
A human becomes a waiter, not the other way around. A human who is a waiter is an individual, and I will judge them on their individual performance. I look past the group mentality.
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"Yeah, that individualism and class: "My role in second world war would not have been an officer, as I am not from that class" (TIK). So, you do share common benefits, privileges and on the other hand disadvantages and prejudices with a large group of people. Which does to a certain degree also imply common interests."
Yes there are racists, classists, sexists and nationalists in the world. Just because I reject the idea of groups, doesn't mean others do. This is the problem. The way towards equality for all is for more people to reject the idea of social groups like class, race, gender or nationality.
""I don't see stereotypes" You certainly do, else you wouldn't even be able to talk or to orient yourself in the world. Our usage of words is build on generalizations. Pretending otherwise is just foolish."
I honestly don't see stereotypes. I treat everyone as an individual because I'm not a sexist, racist, nationalist, classist or other.
""All British people are poms - it's just stupid" Yepp, there are incorrect stereotypes and invalid generalizations. The notion of all stereotypes being stupid is one of them."
Yes, I'm glad we're in agreement that stereotypes are meaningless and invalid.
"Off course, there is a lot, that all British people do have in common."
No there isn't. We live in Britain (well, most of us do), and we have a common language (English). Apart from that, good luck finding something we have in common.
""I have no affiliation with any group" I don't believe you. You know of all the group identities that other people would attribute to you, and even more, you have the groups, that you want to be attributed to you. In your case historians for certain. Scientists. Intellectuals. Content producers on youtube."
Others may attribute me to groups, but again, you've failed to see what I'm saying. All scientists are the exact same now are they? All intellectuals are the exact same? All content producers on YouTube are the exact same? No. Load of rubbish.
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"embarrassing , complete lack of understanding of the theory...simply pathetic. Try again..."
An individual is "private" (from Latin meaning individual and non-state). Capitalism is the idea that private-individuals shall be in control of their own production, their own economy. Individuals shall have all the power.
A state is an organized community. You cannot have a state without a group of people. A person is not a state, only a group of people can make a state. A state is an organized group. It is therefore non-private (non-individual). It is "public". Public comes from the word publicum/publicus, meaning state (hense the phrase, "jus publicum" https://www.merriam-webster.com/legal/jus%20publicum - "the right of ownership of real property that is held in trust by a government for the public"). This is why we call the state the "public sector", and why politics is the realm of "public affairs".
So a group of organized people in charge of an area or place is what we call the state.
And here 's the deal - a collective is a group of people. A commune is a group of people. A society is a group of people. A public is a group of people. A class is a group of people. A race is a group of people. A gender is a group of people. A nationality is a group of people. etc.
Socialists believe that a group of people (varies) shall be in control of the economy. Socialism is the rejection of capitalism - private (non-group) control of the economy. Thus, by its very definition it is state-control of the economy.
Now, there are varients of socialism, depending on the group that's supposedly in charge. A class-group like the "workers" in charge of the group-state, is Marxism. A racial-group like the German Aryans in charge of the group-state (the "national community" as Hitler calls it) is National Socialism. But ultimately it is still the same thing - state control of the economy.
Socialists are currently using varying words and phrases to hide the true meaning of the word "socialism" from people. Why? Because if people realised that socialism is about state control rather than individual control, they'd see the true horrific nature of socialism and would not support it. It's got so bad that they invent terms like "state capitalism" - literally "state" and "capitalism" (non-state), thus "state non-state" - to hide the fact that state-capitalism is actually just socialism.
Worse, socialism is the rejection of the individual. It therefore is all power to the group and the removal of the power of individuals. In capitalism the group serves the individual (who has the power). In socialism the individual becomes a slave to the group (which has all the power). Socialism is state-control of the economy, and is therefore slavery of the individual. Socialism is slavery by another name. This is why George Orwell wrote - "Freedom is Slavery".
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""Give all power to the central authority" Seriously dude, wtf are you talking about?"
Socialism is state-control of the economy. It is literally - give all economic power to the state. This is why you can't have totalitarianism without socialism.
"Capitalism is a system which promotes hierarchical, undemocratic tyrannical control."
In a business sense, yes. But capitalism is private-control of the economy. It has, by definition, nothing to do with the state. If theres an undemocratic state, that has nothing to do with capitalism, since capitalism is fundamentally a rejection of state-control of the economy.
Socialism is state-control of the economy. It takes the power away from individuals in the economy. Worse, it dictates to them by the policies of hte central authority - the state. Therefore it is undemocratic by it's own theory.
"@TIK You see that's the whole problem , you don't know or understand the basic of the theory, this is absolute nonsense."
No, it is you who doesn't understand, otherwise you wouldn't be dismissing and ignoring my points. I know your arguments because I held your viewpoint at one point, and have researched into them. You don't understand mine at all.
"Incentive theories have been refuted long time ago."
Really. We all work for free do we? Wish I had known that when I was a manager at my old job, I could have paid the staff nothing.
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It's built into the core of the ideology! Take away individual human rights in order to give all power to the central authority, usually the state. The state owns everything and you own nothing. If you're lucky you may get given food by the state, and they may let you live in one of the state's flats, but you still have to work, and you're working for nothing, since you can't own anything. What's a human who has to work but owns nothing? A slave.
And this is if it all goes well. At the very least this leads to poverty, since without incentives the workers don't work as hard. With centralised planning you get shortages of everything, like toilet paper. And because economics is viewed as a zero sum game, then the only way to increase wealth is to steal it from others, which means you have to kill them. This is why Gulags and Death Camps happened - it was the only way to reduce the number of mouths to feed in the crumbling economic system.
But yes, I'm the one who's ignoring the historical reality, apparently.
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Karl Marx wasn't an economist. His "education" was on "philosophy" (religion). He studied Hegel, who was a theologian. This isn't "bias", this is fact.
As an ex-socialist, I can tell you that Socialism is evil. It convinces people to act on greedy envy to steal resources off of other more productive members of society, and then murder any resistance. Then it implements a horrible economic system that always results in death and poverty, if not outright starvation, because it rejects economics in favour of emotions.
Taxation isn't theft because the UK State says in the Theft Act that it's not theft if the State does it, since the State is not dishonest, and only something that is dishonest can be theft. And since the dishonest State has decided that it's not dishonest in it's definition of dishonesty, then it's not dishonest. 🙄
In reality though, the State is dishonest, and forcing me to pay tribute to Playdohs who R kids, is theft and immoral.
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I wouldn't say it was essential, but it will be extremely useful for me (trying to plot everything out for my documentary). Realistically it's just lots of appendixes. I don't know if you noticed, but if you compare the first book to the last, you'll find a difference in the number of tables and details. There seems to be more of them in the first book. Well, this Companion is basically that but for the final volume (the two books). If you want to know the mobility ratings, or the casualty lists, or composition of a load of units referred do in the text, as well as some of the original operational orders, then yes. If not, then skip it :)
I also haven't got the condensed version. Not sure if it's worth getting, having got the rest.
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"5 people watcha fight from 5 angles. The police question them and get 5 different versions of what happened. Is that subjective truth? No it's all biased opinions based solely on their prospective angle of view and other biases."
Yes, and that's exactly what subjective truth is - biased opinions based on their interpretation of the events from the perspective they saw them.
There are two sorts of things in life - evidence (the facts) and interpretation. We know what the evidence says, and I'm not arguing against that. It's the interpretation of the evidence that's the issue here. You can't "stick to the facts" because the facts don't answer every question.
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"It's not subjective whether the guy threw a left or a right even if every thinks they saw him throw a left. truth is, he threw a right. Thats not subjective, thats a fact"
Correct. I'm not arguing against the facts. I'm arguing that there's no objective truth in relation to the interpretation of the facts. In your example, the guy definitely threw a right. But was that the right move? What would have happened if he had thrown a left, or a slightly different variant of a right? Or had feinted before doing something else? These are things that facts cannot tell us.
The objective truth is that the fight happened. Why it went the way it did, who was the better boxer, and when the turning point of the fight was, are all subjective in nature because people will argue from their different perspectives. They will have debates over the "truth", but in the end some things can't be measured like we can measure things in certain hard sciences.
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"Whether you agree with the one guy doing what he or the other guy is also subjective, because that is largely a moralistic choice, which is just another version of an opinion."
Precisely. There's no objective truth when it comes to these sorts of things. That's what I'm saying. For these questions, the truth is subjective.
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"As far as the start of WWII being subjective is because world war hasn't been properly defined, not because that point can't be found. Once you've defined what a world war is, what requirements need to be met for war to elevate to a world war, then it stops being subjective."
Okay, but the definition of WW2 itself is itself a subjective opinion, which is why a proper start date will always be arbitrary.
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"It wasn't the tactics (blitzkrieg) that cost the Germans the war. It was the strategy that Hitler employed on the eastern front. His assumption that Moscow would be taken by the end of 1941 and thus failing to supply his armies with proper winter gear."*
It wasn't Hitler, it was his generals. They planned this campaign. And they planned it as it was because their logisticians told them they could only get about 500 miles into the Soviet Union before they'd have to stop and wait for their supplies to catch up. And that's exactly what happened. That's why they had such a stop-start stop-start campaign. That's also why hen the Soviets continued to fight, the Germans had a problem - they couldn't send their winter clothing to the front because the men needed food, ammunition, fuel and medical supplies as priority. This is why, as I said in the video, Germany lost the war in 1941. When the Soviets didn't collapse Barbarossa failed, and so did the Germans.
"And (Operation Blau) splitting army group south into 2 different army groups with 2 different objectives, oil fields/Stalingrad."
Yes, this was Hitler's fault. But Blau failed before it got to this point because the Soviet armies withdrew/collapsed/routed (however you want to interpret it).
"You also didn't address my other point. We both know the "common narrative" is NOT that the Germans were better on the defensive. But yeah, you may wanna just ignore I pointed that out."
Not "better" on the defensive, but good on the defensive, thus inflicting more casualties on the attacker than they took. Normandy prior to Falaise, Market Garden, Stalingrad (both before they were encircled [so Kotloban for example], and after they were encircled, as well as outside the pocket when the Soviet counterattacks failed to break their lines over and over), Hurgen Forest, Monte Cassino, outside Moscow in 1941, Rzhev, Vistula-Oder, Oder-Neisse... I could go on.
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The German statistics aren't reliable either. I will copy and paste what I replied to someone else -
Soviet accounts and statistics are equally as bad as German accounts and statistics. That distrust you have of Soviet sources is the exact the same level of distrust you should have towards German sources. The fact that you don't have that level of distrust is proof in itself that bias has crept in. You should treat EVERY source, no matter the subject, with suspicion. No source is reliable, not even German sources.
Guderian lies through his teeth about Barbarossa. Manstein lies through his teeth about Stalingrad. Raus gets his dates mixed up - a period of 3 days of combat near Stalingrad is made out to have actually taken place in 1 day in Raus's memoirs (13th to 15th of December 1942, but he says all that combat occurs on the 13th) - let alone numerous other holes in his and other accounts. In some of these scenarios, the Soviet accounts are actually more reliable than the German ones, although again they're not 100% trustworthy. This is why it's vitally important to look at every source with equal reservation.
Now, this bias may not be your fault. As I've just said to someone else - Pick up an English-language history book on the Eastern Front of WW2 (there are some exceptions but these are more recent and few) and you will find that they are relying almost entirely on German sources. Go to Amazon and look up WW2, you'll get biography after biography on German generals, and German units, and German operations. Then try find the Soviet biographies, units or operations... There's barely any! There is a massive bias towards the Germans in the history books. Because that is what sells.
If you're still not convinced, fine. But just, for 10 minutes, consider this. What's the point of studying history? Isn't it to get to the truth? If it is, then how do you get to the truth if all you have to work with is lies?
The only way to do it is to gather all the lies and compare them to each other. Somewhere in that sea of lies is the truth.
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I said where I got my numbers from - Liedtke and Glantz. Although I also missed out Kavalerchik.
Liedtke, G. "Enduring the Whirlwind: The German Army and the Russo-German War 1941-1943." Helion & Company, 2016.
Glantz, D. and House, J. "When Titans Clashed: How the Red Army Stopped Hitler." The University Press of Kansas, 2015.
Kavalerchik, B. "The Price of Victory: The Red Army's Casualties in the Great Patriotic War." Pen & Sword Military, Kindle Edition, 2017.
Glantz is getting his numbers from Ziemke and Krivosheev. Kavalerchik disputes Krivosheev (see below).
Even Wikipedia (untrustworthy) lists Soviet losses for Barbarossa as 4,973,820 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barbarossa This also clearly doesn't include the "6 mil captured Russians" you said the Germans took, and is barely half the "10+ million losses they suffered in the first 6 months".
Now, the numbers are disputed (it's a massive debate in itself). However I have looked at this debate. Kavalerchik discusses the various numbers and viewpoints in great detail, pointing out that Krivosheev may have been wrong, and biased in favour of the Soviets. However, Kavalerchik and his team runs the numbers again, and comes out at 4,791,300 total "irrecoverable" Soviet casualties for 1941. Irrecoverable basically meant total casualties - KIA, MIA and wounded. Total Soviet casualties for the whole war - 14,534,600, plus 119,400 USSR Allied casuatlies (grand total of 14,654,000).
German casualties on the Eastern Front for 1941 were 312,600, plus Axis allied losses of 81,500, for a total of 384,100 total Axis losses in 1941. Grand total of German losses for the war on the Eastern Front were 4,941,600, with 1,038,700 Axis Allied, for a total of 5,980,300.
If, as you say, the Soviets lost 10 million casualties in the first 6 months, they only lost 4 million for the remainder of the war. This would further prove my point that once the Soviets had recovered, they were able to go toe-to-toe with the Germans, and beat them.
If this wasn't the case, and the numbers I have are correct, what it says is that the Soviets lost 4,791,300 in 1941, vs 384,100 Axis troops - a ratio of 12.2 to 1 (15.32 to 1 if just counting Germans). But by the time we come to the end of the war, the losses were 14,654,000 vs 5,980,300, which is a ratio of 2.45 to 1 (2.96 to 1 if just counting Germans).
How do you go from a ratio of 12.2 to 1 in 1941, to a ratio of 2.45 to 1 for the period 1941-1945? The reason is simply because the Germans caught the Soviets completely by surprise, during the middle of a mobilization program, and outnumbered them. Once the Soviets recovered and equalled or outnumbered the Germans from December 1941 onwards, the Germans suddenly were unable to fight as well as they had before. The ratio - while still in favour of the Germans - slowly whittled its way down to 2.45 to 1 by 1945, meaning that the only reason the ratio is so high is because of what the Germans achieved in 1941. From 1942 onwards, Soviet losses each year steadily decreased while the German losses steadily increased, which leads to the conclusion that once the Germans no longer outnumbered the Soviets, they were unable to beat them (on a strategic level, obviously they did win some battles where they were outnumbered, but this was far from the norm).
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No, as shown in the video, there were 3,957,910 Axis troops (3,118,910 German plus 839,000 Axis Allies) vs 2,743,000 Soviet troops on the 22/06/1941.
Yes, the Soviets sent in reinforcements, but that doesn't mean on day 2 the Germans suddenly faced 5.7 million Soviets. On the 11/09/1941 The Soviets had 3,463,000 men, vs 4,215,147 Axis troops (3,382,000 German and 833,147 Allied). And between the 22nd of June and the 30th of September, Soviet losses amounted to 2,817,303. So effectively, they had taken losses equivalent to their border army, and now had 3,463,000 troops at the front, vs 4,215,147 Axis. So yes, during this initial period of the war, the Germans and Axis outnumber the Soviets.
And as I again showed in the video, the Axis are only outnumbered for the first time in December 1941, which is coincidentally the first time they're thrown back.
"By December the Russians had put another 12-13 million men under arms" - no they hadn't. For the whole of 1941, the Soviets lost 4,791,300 men. On the 1st of December 1941, they had 4,197,000 men at the front. Add them together, gives you 8,988,300 (admittingly, we're a month out from 1st of December to January, but you get the point, it wasn't 12-13 million men).
From December 1941 onwards, the Germans are outnumbered by the Soviets. But at points, it's not by much. Obviously that gives the Soviets some room for maneuver and so on, however the thing to consider is that the Germans are never again able to achieve the victories they did in 1941 when they themselves outnumber the Soviets.
Numbers come from Glantz or Liedtke.
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But they were taken by surprise. That in itself is a force multiplier. For example, according to David Glantz, at the battle of Brody in the first days of the war, the Soviets sent 5,000 tanks against the Germans in the Dubno-Brody area. 2,000 broke down before they made it to the battlefield. And many that did didn't have enough fuel or ammunition to actually fight the Germans. This wasn't because the Soviets were incompetent - it was because they didn't expect to be attacked and didn't have the fuel and ammunition stocks required to put 5,000 tanks, or even 3,000 into battle. Explain how this shows German superiority? It wasn't a fair fight (which is fine, if the argument isn't that the Germans were superior). When it does become a fair fight, German superiority is nowhere to be found.
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Sorry, I misquoted. It was meant to be 31st of January 1942.
It's good to keep an open mind and try to remain as neutral as possible. And the best way to do that is to realise that many of the early authors were willing to accept what the Germans were saying, and ignore the Soviet sources (or didn't have access to them). But think about it, if the Soviets lied about the numbers, the Germans did too. So why trust the Germans and not the Soviets? Realistically you shouldn't trust either of them.
Beevor's Berlin is a good book. And Beevor is good, but sadly outdated. For example, his Stalingrad book is a nice introduction to the battle, but he gets a lot wrong and simply cannot compare to the five-book four-part trilogy (yep) that Glantz has written on the battle. I'm currently working my way through it for my Stalingrad documentary, and nothing else compares to it in the level of detail. Sadly, it doesn't make for casual reading (a lot of , "this unit which was part of this corps was here at this time and was moving towards this place at this location...")
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"To be fair you should show total men under arms available to each country (shown by theatre) then show how many of the soldiers were frontline troops vs logistic and other rear echelon troops."
I can only work with the statistics I have available. If you can point me to these statistics, I'll happily take a look.
"The biggest problem I see, is that this vid views the eastern front in isolation... had Germany not been fighting on multiple fronts and simply been fighting a war against Russia, its numerically small but technically and tactically superior armed forces would have defeated the Russians despite their superior numbers... taking that into context the Germans were superior soldiers man for man."
Please tell me where these 'multiple' fronts were? They were North Africa, and the Eastern Front. In fact, in 1941 - as shown in my North African Campaign Battlestorm Documentaries - for the most part there were only two German divisions fighting in that theatre. This expanded by 1942, but the most important theatre was always the Eastern Front. And many historians believe that the Germans lost the war in 1941, during Operation Barbarossa, and before the battle of Moscow. This was the only game in town.
"The simple fact of the matter is that Germany came close to winning an unwinnable war."
That's simply not true. Had the war been confined to central and western Europe, yes. But the reality was that the Germans didn't beat the British or the Soviets. And that was before the USA entered the war.
"One final point, the Germans had already been fighting for 2 years.... in terms of attrition the Germans were losing more veteran troops the longer the war progressed and did not have the population to replace troops with men of optimal fighting age or fitness... for these soldiers retreating (near routing) and sustaining a 3:1 ratio is remarkable especially as the Russians now had both a technical and numerical advantage; simply compare this ratio to the losses of the allies in retreat."
So what you're saying is that they shouldn't have attacked in the first place? It's not like the Germans didn't know what they were getting into when they invaded the Soviet Union. They knew what the condition of their army was and thought they could tackle the Soviets in a surprise attack. The Soviets proved them wrong.
And on the retreat they didn't sustain a 3 to 1 ratio. That was the overall ratio for the whole war. After 1941/1942, once the Soviets actually had recovered from the intial surpise attack from an enemy that outnumbered them, the ratio drops dramatically.
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+Nounismisation thank you for your reply, and criticism. I like constructive criticism :) I can see why you might think I've not lost my moral compass. But I think you need to consider something one thing - this wasn't a general history of the Eastern Front, nor was the Purges video a general history of the Purges. The point of these videos was to dive into the historiography and challenge the presumptions people have on these topics. It was to look at the big picture, not the small picture. And unfortunately by doing so, people do become statistics. As Stalin famously said "one death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic"
That doesn't mean the people don't matter. Retirement with a nice pension is better than beatings, shootings, and being sent to the Gulags, with your family sharing in with that punishment. It's terrible. Truly horrific. However, that wasn't the point of these particular videos.
Perhaps I need to actually do a full documentary of the Purges and go into the awfulness of it all. And maybe one day I should do a full documentary of the entire Eastern front of WW2 and do the same there. Take a proper look at the human aspect. Definitely something to consider.
For my upcoming Stalingrad documentary, I do intend to put the human aspect in there. This is why I'm saying it'll be a long one. It was a big battle anyway, but I want to cover all aspects. I'll do my best to make sure to have my moral compass out throughout it all.
Cheers
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I can tell you didn't watch the whole video.
And I do have a degree in history. Not a masters because I haven't needed one, although recently I was considering going back to get one. Do you have a degree in history? How do you know I'm "making mistakes a first year university student would never make"? The only mistake here is not stating at the beginning that I don't think the German army is bad. I just don't think it's as good as people make it out to be. And a lot of people in this comment section are upset because they think I'm criticising the performance of the Wehrmacht. Nope. I'm just not convinced they were fighting inferiors.
I didn't forget to calculate the technical superiority of the Germans. That was the point of the video, to show that, if the Germans really were superior, they didn't show it after 1942 when they were no longer fighting an enemy that wasn't prepared for war.
"Blitzkrieg" had major advantages, but several big flaws. One being logistics, which soon became strained in the vastness of Russia. As shown in the video, it wasn't "so successful" either. In 1942, the Blitzkrieg during Blau was a complete disaster. In 1943, the Blitzkrieg didn't even break through the Soviet lines at Kursk.
I didn't forget the fact that half of the Soviet Army was in the Far East or Internally. I mention that in the video.
Your opinion of the authors of this material is also wrong. As Robert Citino has said recently, we're living in the "Glantz era" of WW2 history. That's how important he is to the current historiography on the Eastern Front.
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Why does it? I'm not following you. When where the Germans ever at equal footing? That never happened. And also, it doesn't mean no tanks or planes, it means less tanks or planes. This video and the follow up video show that Germany was actually able to replace the losses in tanks, planes, and manpower. This flies in the face of the traditional narrative that states the Germans weren't able to produce enough. They were producing enough, but they didn't have the fuel to put those tanks etc in the field. And the Germans only "kicked arse" when they had the fuel, when they outnumbered their opponent, and when they caught their opponent by surprise. Once they no longer had the element of surprise, once they no longer had the fuel, and when they no longer outnumbered their opponent, they began to lose.
And I just want to point out, that at no point in this video, or in the follow-up "numbers" one, did I ever say the Soviets were "better" than the Germans, or that the Germans were "bad" fighters. I was merely pointing out that the traditional narrative doesn't make sense. And I didn't actually offer an explanation for this. The reason I didn't offer an explanation is because I only wanted to show that it doesn't make sense, and to follow these videos up with ones like the oil video and the Soviet tanks video, which begin to offer that explanation.
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Why does it? I'm not following you. When where the Germans ever at equal footing? That never happened. And also, it doesn't mean no tanks or planes, it means less tanks or planes. This video and the follow up video show that Germany was actually able to replace the losses in tanks, planes, and manpower. This flies in the face of the traditional narrative that states the Germans weren't able to produce enough. They were producing enough, but they didn't have the fuel to put those tanks etc in the field. And the Germans only "kicked arse" when they had the fuel, when they outnumbered their opponent, and when they caught their opponent by surprise. Once they no longer had the element of surprise, once they no longer had the fuel, and when they no longer outnumbered their opponent, they began to lose.
And I just want to point out, that at no point in this video, or in the follow-up "numbers" one, did I ever say the Soviets were "better" than the Germans, or that the Germans were "bad" fighters. I was merely pointing out that the traditional narrative doesn't make sense. And I didn't actually offer an explanation for this. The reason I didn't offer an explanation is because I only wanted to show that it doesn't make sense, and to follow these videos up with ones like the oil video and the Soviet tanks video, which begin to offer that explanation.
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Surprise attack, overwhelming Axis numbers, fully prepared, enemy using mainly obsolete equipment, lack of fuel and ammunition, superior tactics (Berwrungenskrieg - the historically accurate term for Blitzkrieg). Again, I mention this in the video, but you probably didn't watch that far into it.
Also, not Allied propaganda for two reasons - one, while I am English, I'm also willing to admit Britain didn't do well at land-warfare in WW2 (as a whole, with some notable exceptions obviously) - and two, because this video was debunking what the western world used to think about the Eastern Front. So, in reality, I'm actually attacking Allied propaganda.
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You want me to discuss every aspect of the war in a 44 minute YouTube video? Somehow, don't think that's possible.
However, I've talked about supplies and logistics before. I will copy what I said below -
Logistics played a big part in the German defeat in 1941. The first three weeks of Barbarossa saw the Germans get roughly half-way to Moscow. It then took them a few more months to cover the rest of the distance. The reason being, just like on their way to Stalingrad in 1942, is that they had to stop-start stop-start their Bewegungskrieg due to (mainly) their poor logistics. While "Blitzkrieg" had its advantages, it was also poor on the logistical side, which the Germans never mastered. This was made worse by the poor roads in Russia, different guage railways, and the vast distances. Weather also played its part later.
However, by the same token, the Soviets were also suffering from serious logistical issues in 1941. At the battle of Dubno-Brody (I talk about it here https://youtu.be/nA2286viUyw) 2,000 Soviet tanks break down on the way to the battlefield due to lack of fuel, mechanical failures, lack of spare parts etc, and those that did make it sometimes ran out of ammunition.
So to say that the Germans were suffering from poor logistics isn't that good of an excuse since the Soviets were too. To say that "General Winter" only affected the Germans is a poor excuse too, since that affected the Soviets too.
And its not like the Germans didn't know about the poor Russian roads, or the different guage railways, or the vast distances. This was why they planned for a short knock-out war. Unfortunately, the Germans deemed the Soviets as inferiors in every respect and, in their poor planning, didn't consider what would happen if the Soviets weren't knocked out quickly and decided to continue the fight. The fact was that, despite the initial advantages I outlined towards the end of the video (surprise attack, unprepared enemy etc), the Germans squandered these advantages in their arrogance.
This arrogance is what's leading to certain portions of the viewers of this video believing that the Germans were superior. However, you and I both know people in real life who think they're superior to everyone else but who actually have several deep flaws that impact the things they do. People like that often can't see the error of their ways, and it's the same here. The German generals believed the Soviets were inferior, even though they were beaten numerous times on the battlefield. Even when they won (1941) they paid heavily for their success, one way or another. The fact remains that the "greatest army in WW2" lost to the Soviets. And as shown in the video, the reason wasn't because they were drowning in Soviet rifles and tanks.
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Great comment, thank you :) yeah, I didn't realise there was so much bias towards the Wehrmacht, and assumed the facts would overcome fiction. Clearly there's a lot more work to be done her to convince some people that actually the reality was different that what they (and the old narrative) imagine it to be. It's funny because most of the comments are saying I didn't consider something that I actually mentioned in the video, which proves they didn't watch it all and just got on their high horse after the first few minutes. But the good news is that a lot of the stuff I didn't mention I'm planning to talk about in future videos (i.e. the Purges, logistics, and many such things). And yes, some are calling me neo-communist. But as shown in my Croatian Legion video, I was being called a neo-fascist. Unfortunately for them, I can't be both. The realisty is I'm actually trying to find the middle ground between the two sides, which means I'm potentially going to make a lot of enemies.
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We don't have "collective identities". Only Socialists who believe in social groups have so-called "collective identities". For the rest of us, the collective doesn't exist. I'm not a race, or a gender, or a class, or a nationality, or any other ridiculous "group" identity you might judge me as being - I am nothing other than an individual. My skin colour doesn't mean I'm part of a "racial group" (race doesn't exist https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2018/04/race-genetics-science-africa/ ). Class doesn't exist, full stop. Nationality doesn't exist either, full stop. And while gender does exist, the vast majority of males don't act or think like I do, so it's arbitrary to consider me the same as them just because of my reproductive organs.
Bottom line: we're all individuals. Once you realize that, you can grow beyond the blue-pill collectivism you've been indoctrinated to believe, and take the red pill.
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"For your information not all nurses use TIK TOK especially my mother whos a nurse working at a COVID unit whos also trying to raise me and my sister at the same time! So that money they “stole” from you is very important to us as much as it is important to you!"
Okay, why do you feel entitled to be able to steal my money. thief?
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"Since we also gotta reward the hard work of our medical officials, not just buisness owners."
Considering that I think the National Socialist Health Service has done a spectacularly poor job over my entire life time, I strongly disagree. If this was a free market health service, then the medical personnel would get the wages they actually deserve, than the artificially higher ones they're getting now.
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"Its not all about you man, we all go through crap at many momments at our lives and I’m sorry that you are in a financial situation but theres no reason for you to bash on the people who are working all day and night trying to save lives!"
No, it is about me. The "finanical situation" I'm in, is the same one I've been in the whole of my life - I must work so that others can steal money from me to redistribute that money to the State, who then provide a terrible service, and then bring up children who then demand that this immoral system continues to operate. I'm also working all day and night, as are thousands of others, and many have had their work stolen from them by the State just to prop up the terrible service known as the NHS.
It's that bad, they even steal wealth of children through the power of VAT, inflation, and debt. I have to forgo my life just to prop up yours. But if I complain about it, you and the other Socialists call me "selfish". No, you are the selfish ones for feeling entitled to help yourself to the money in other hard-working people's pockets.
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"I didn't realize doing a little dance to help lighten the mood in the worst public crisis in 80 years was such a bad thing"
I'm afraid, due to YouTube's censorship policies, I am being restricted in responding to this point. But I will defer you to a video that may help you reconsider your stance https://youtu.be/Xy3tP-BW5do
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"I don't know your tax situation, but I imagine its been complicated more by brexit than covid. You want to have a conversation about the establishment enriching themselves? Sure, valid point."
It is a valid point, especially since my taxes were just as high before Brexit. The real culprit here are the thieves putting a gun to my head and telling me to pay up.
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"Saying that the government is "enslaving" people in their homes and "taking their rights" in some kind of allusion to tyranny is blatant fearmongering."
Really? I'm being forced to stay inside, not allowed to visit my family, or even leave my area, while I see ONLY small businesses forced to close while giant corporations and the State can remain open, while they take so many of our rights away that it even made one MP close to tears https://youtu.be/NMygjm7LF08
Alternative source because YouTube has been taking such videos down https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1259789/coronavirus-house-of-commons-steve-baker-mp-speech-emergency-legislation-vote-covid19
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"The virus is real, it's extremely contagious and very deadly."
I'm afraid I cannot comment on this due to YouTube's aforementioned censorship policies.
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"Most sane societies enacted stricter (obviously temporary) measures than Britain and America and have come out of things with far less dead."
Like Sweden? Again https://youtu.be/Xy3tP-BW5do
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"It was the (individual) lords' privately owned property."
If there's hundreds or thousands of serfs/slaves on your property (themselves not able to own property), and you technically don't own it since you're in a hierarchy (so those above you own it), then it's no longer private, but public https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
"The peasants were in a lease agreement."
No, they were in a slavery agreement. They were never allowed to own any land, even if they worked for it. And their taxes were so high that they basically lived in extreme poverty where they were never allowed to save capital. That's neither capitalism nor a 'private' ownership system.
"It's not ancap to rent out the property that you as an individual own? Duly noted."
Under Capitalism you can either sell or rent out your property, but you cannot enslave your tenants on the property. Your tenants are always allowed to leave. And they don't have to work/slave away on your property to grow their own crops. Feudalism is a completely different setup.
"lol owning serfs is ancap as long as they're owned by individuals. There is a market demand after all..."
No, because if you own slaves, then those slaves are no longer 'private' individuals. You no longer have Capitalism. again https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
The market requires FREE 'private' people who own CAPITAL (money, not currency) who can buy and sell things on a FREE market. Once you have slavery, you no longer have FREE 'private' people, nor CAPITAL. Thus, you do not have Capitalism.
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"Dear sir, we are in 2023. The era of the Soviet dictatorship has ended. We don't need Keitel or Hitler or You to tell us how many weapons the Russians had in 1941."
David Glantz - the best historian ever on the Axis-Soviet Front - has written a book called "Stumbling Colossus" where he shows conclusively that the Red Army was NOT prepared for war in 1941. They didn't have any trucks, or pilots for the planes they did have. They didn't have the logistics in place to fuel the tanks, and most of their tanks were T-26's, which were pathetic. In terms of manpower, the Germans alone outnumbered them on Day 1 of the campaign, not including the Axis Allies. The Germans had fewer (but better) tanks. However, they were also in a much better position than the Soviets. Hitler also made it clear in Mein Kampf in 1923 that he intended to attack the Soviet Union, and the reason he invaded Poland was because he was going East. It would have been foolish for Stalin not to REACT to the German mobilization by mobilizing the Red Army.
So yes, you're completely incorrect, and so is Suvorov. The German military had been actively planning war with the Soviet Union since 1919, as Müller shows conclusively in his book "Enemy in the East".
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"Everything I wrote to you are facts, not opinions."
Yes, one-sided facts. You've completely ignored the body of evidence that shows that the Soviets reacted to German aggression, so of course you've come to a false conclusion.
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@zacharygustafson8714 "I tend to get crap whenever I put out my definition of fascism, which is: a totalitarian ultranationalist ideology that combines concepts and practices from the far-left and far-right."
Well you will do because that's not the definition. The definition of Fascism is National Syndicalism with a philosophy of Actualism (specifically, Actual Idealism). I've explained the definition here, and made the distinction between Fascism and National Socialism, since they are two separate ideologies https://youtu.be/qdY_IMZH2Ko
In a more recent video, I explained the similarities and differences between Hitler's, Mussolini's, and Mosley's ideologies https://youtu.be/bvm8I1mnucM
But here's a question for you: what's the difference between nationalism and "ultranationalism"? I mean, if you're a nationalist, how can you be "more"-nationalist? It literally doesn't make any sense. And if ultranationalism just means when a country asserts domination over another (as some say it is), then Marxism (or any other form of "internationalism") is nothing more than ultranationalist in nature.
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@Ratselmeister I'm defending British crimes? Is that why I spent over £450 to make a three video series on Operation Keelhaul, the Allied crime at the end of WW2 that has been actively suppressed? https://youtu.be/z6ak1OtC_gM
Is that why I also called Churchill an idiot? https://youtu.be/z2c7d5RfkAA
Is that why I did my video on the Dresden firestorm? https://youtu.be/PrrBRQDD_Jo
Is that why I've said numerous times that I'm not "British", as I don't subscribe to any national religion.
Oh that's right, you're projecting your insecurities onto me. You're the nationalist here, scrounger. Except, the here are no groups, only individuals. I see no race, no gender, no class, no nation, nor anything else, only individuals. That's why I judge others individually for the actions they commit. I neither "attack" nor "defend" anything, as this isn't my aim. My goal is to explain what happened and why, not to pretend that history can be distorted to suit one of the many statist regimes that exist.
I also enjoy calling out people when they're wrong in their viewpoints, which is why I'm replying to you. Stay bitter.
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+HoboTango I don't do facebook, sorry. Add me on steam though, I'm "TIK" surprisingly! The next battle/campaign I'm looking to do is the Western Desert Campaign, which will then lead nicely to the Tunisian, Sicily and Italian campaigns (thinking long-term). If you have anything on the 1940/41 desert war or could recommend me books, that'll be great. Atm I'm kinda short on sources for the early years.
Between all this, I may venture out and do the Greek/Crete campaigns, and if I get enough experience, I can do the Polish campaign or the French 1940 campaign, as well as Normandy Landings etc. Obviously this is all long term, but I think starting small and working my way up is probably the best way to go about this.
Did your wife's grandfather come from Hungary or was he shipped there from somewhere else?
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+HoboTango hey Tango! How's things? I want to do the Eastern Front. If I could do it now, I would. And I will attempt it in the future. There's two issues at the moment, however:
1. It's complicated. Market Garden was maybe three Allied Airborne divisions and a few more Armoured divisions. Plus the German ones. And look how complicated this was. I also only covered 9 days. Can you imagine the complexity of doing 9 days at Stalingrad or 9 days at Kursk, or the start of Operation Barbarossa!? It's too much for me at the minute, especially since I'm only just starting out.
2. The sources. We have the German sources pretty nailed down. But the Soviet archives have only just started to be released, and the stuff that's being released is changing the way we think about the Eastern Front. (see David Glantz in his video on the myths of the Eastern Front for a taste of what I mean https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Clz27nghIg ... I always link this video, and it's a good one). So basically, we have one biased side of the story, and to do a documentary at this moment in time with only half the evidence just doesn't seem right to me.
Therefore my plan is to get some experience under my belt doing Market Garden and maybe a few more other battles before I consider doing the Eastern Front. And as I'm working on these other battles and get some of the German units physically designed, that's less work I'll need to do by the time I come around to doing the Eastern Front. But don't worry, I will do the Eastern Front. That is the end goal. And when I start working on it, hopefully a few more modern books on the Eastern Front will have come out and I can use them to make something a lot more interesting :)
Also, add me on Twitter (just started on it a day ago) and you can get a glimpse of some of the next doc I'm working on :)
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akgeronimo501 Do not read one book and say it's gospel. Ryan's book is but one argument in a sea of books on the subject. His may be the most popular book, but that doesn't mean it's 100% correct.
Can you remember your 12th birthday? What cake did you have? What presents did you get?
Memory's fade. Opinions change. Mistakes are made. Lies are formed. Sources that are close to the date are better than those 29 years after. This gives people time to come up with excuses or get their friends to say the same story. Primary sources are those that were written close to or at the time. They are the most trusted, but can't be fully trusted.
The purpose of a historian is to interpret the past - given the sources. When you read anything (literally, anything - even this!) you've got to question it. What gender is the writer? What nationality? What agenda might he have? Has he got a motivation to lie? Is he trying to achieve a desired result? Is he a socialist? Is he a fascist? Is he from the upper or lower classes? etc
Even Ryan isn't except from this. He's an Irish then American immigrant. I haven't read up on the guy, but he could have anti-British sentiments due to his background. I'm hopeful that's not the case, but you've got to think like that when you read these sources.
Poullussen (that author you seem to hate) is Dutch. So technically he's probably the most trusted source listed, unless he has a secret anti-USA bias.
You're American, so you're going to be biased towards the US. I'm British, so I'm biased towards Britain (FYI, I'm probably the most non-patriotic Brit you'll ever meet, because this country leaves a lot to be desired).
My point is, you've got to read many books on a subject before you come to conclusions. I fear that you've made your conclusions based on one.
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"Why throw away seventeen hundred quality aircraft and twenty eight hundred airmen , many experienced veterans from the Spanish war , before an planned impending land invasion , opening up a permanent 2nd , 3rd , 4th fronts , just to gain an advantage of surprise over Russia ?"
Because the bigger prize is the Soviet Union. And Hitler must show willing with Britain, he can't just pretend to be at war with them.
"The surprise factor is negated through the initial losses against Britain , and naturally , the ensuing losses that would be tallied up for years to come , on the many new war fronts that inevitably would open up , as the war progressed ."
Yes, but you're forgetting that the Germans (and Hitler) genuinely believed that the Soviet Union would collapse in a few weeks. Their experience from the First World War told them that Russia was the weaker enemy, and if France and Britain fell so quickly in 1940, then the weaker Soviet Union must fall quicker in 1941.
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Inflation is the expansion of the currency supply, not the rise in prices. When a plane goes up into the sky, it doesn't inflate. If something expands (like a balloon) it inflates. Inflation leads to higher prices - and there has been higher prices. Look at the stock market, the bond market, the housing market, the commodity market, the real estate market, the second hand goods market (e.g. cars, guitars, pianos, even books...) and more. Yes, it hasn't hit every day prices here in the UK... because the UK government regulates all the prices, and has LOCKED THE ECONOMY DOWN forcing those people who kept their jobs to save cash at record amounts -
"Households have accumulated £125bn ($175bn) in savings during the pandemic and Haldane said this "nest-egg" could reach £250bn by June at the current rate." - Andy Haldane, Chief Economist of the Bank of England.
Yahoo reports - "It is unclear how much will be spent after the crisis passes but Haldane predicted a surge in spending once restrictions ease." https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/bank-of-england-andy-haldane-uk-economy-coiled-spring-covid-19-coronavirus-083250588.html
Well, this is EXACTLY what happened in Germany. In 1914 Germany came off the gold standard, allowing them to inflate during WW1. Because they were scared, people didn't spend their currency during the war. That's why the inflation started immediately after the war (before reparations) then spiraled out of control by 1923. For an explanation of this, see the book "When Money Dies" by Fergusson.
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"business will decrease production in order to increase prices back up again. Decreased production means less demand for for workers."
Only for the businesses that were in the 'bubble'. Don't forget that the reason there was a crash and depression in the first place is because inflation and interest rate manipulation had misallocated resources to the 'wrong' businesses (creating 'bubbles'). These 'bubble' businesses weren't needed (weren't profitable), and so the bubble 'pops' and the businesses are forced to cut back. But some businesses were suppressed during the 'boom' years because resources were misallocated away from them. So during the 'bust', resources (like land and labour) that went to the 'bad' businesses during the boom, would then be freed up go to the 'good' businesses, who'd then be able to expand and take on more workers and so on.
"We are in agreement that the best monetary policy in the long term is just not to have one, and tie your currency to precious metals; but if you are going to have one, the best policy in times of crisis is to increase the amount of cash in people's hands, it's simple logic."
No, this would just exacerbate the problem. Giving people and businesses freshly printed currency (inflation) further misallocates those resources and perpetuates the depression. THAT's the mistake that Keynesians make - they don't realize that their 'solution' to the problem is the problem.
And yes, I don't think Brüning should have been setting the interest rate anyway, but if the rate was too low to begin with, then increasing it would help.
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I'm not an AnCap, but they can provide answers to your questions, and I think they would answer something like this:
1) You've asked several questions in one here, so this requires multiple answers. Rather than have centralised laws, you would have local laws that are set by the property owners. Murder is not legel because of the "NAP" (Non-Aggression Principle). The explanation for the NAP can be found here https://libertarianism.fandom.com/wiki/Non-aggression_principle
As shown in the series of videos on the "market for security" published by the Mises institute, yes there would be independent law firms who can be hired to create and uphold laws. It would take too long to explain, so I'd recommend giving them a watch in order to understand it, but it does make sense and may lead to a much better law system than the corrupt BS have right now. Here are the links:
https://youtu.be/V0_Jd_MzGCw?si=jkiX-s_C_iZhj4VJ
https://youtu.be/4rq3RcUyMrM?si=-rw09qZ-sBaJbDRl
https://youtu.be/hY5OYdGevAQ?si=lj7ltzSwyObUk8tl
2) Again, you've asked a couple questions in one here, driving at diverging issues. I'm not sure what the AnCap response to this would be to the "immorality" question, but my response is simply to state that I don't owe anyone else anything. I didn't take out a loan, and I have no mortgage on your life or anyone elses. I may choose to save someone's life in a certain situation, and may not do so in another (if Mr H of WW2 was in trouble, I probably wouldn't choose to save him). In that sense, I am responsible for my own life, and you of yours. I may want (motivation) to save you due to instinct or due to it making me feel good, but there is no "cosmic duty" compelling me to do so. (Again, the AnCap response may be different.)
Right to property is the same as right to my body. Remember that whole "my body, my choice" thing? Well, my property is an extension of my body. I possess a body, just like I possess property. If you steal my property, you're violating my freedom, and thus you become an enemy I am motivated to defend myself against.
3) I think the AnCap response would be that children are the property of the parents until they fly the nest. As such, the parents get to decide what their children consume. If the parents think it's okay for their children to consume drugs, that's on them. But someone else abusing their property (in this case, their children) would obviously be a violation of their freedom. So it's "immoral" because you're doing harm to other people.
4) Most of this was answered in 1... but I will answer the question "Should 99% of people adhere to a system that only 1% actually supports, in the ground of it being "morally right"?"
If everyone votes to murder the J's, does that make it right? Clearly not. Democracy is a scam because it's merely the "majority" murdering and stealing off the minority. And this isn't just about democracy, but government in general. All governments punish a certain portion of the population who do not agree with the governors. AnCaps promise that everyone can become their own government, on their own land, with their own rules. Your property - your choice (with the NAP in mind).
Right now we have a system where the 1% are benefiting off the rest of us. We need to smash this system, not reinforce it. AnCaps promise to smash it. Socialists and Conservatives are all about reinforcing it. So I do find it interesting that you've brought up a point that undermines your own argument.
5) Yes. The current world is not a meritocracy, because the current world isn't a free market. In a free market, it would be merit-based society, rather than the corrupt one we have now.
6) The Labour Theory of Value was debunking a few years after Marx published his Das Kapital. Yet here you are stating nonsense like "personal input has absolutely nothing to do with their accumulated wealth, and possibly at the expense of others". This is complete socialist nonsense. The biggest lesson you have to learn is that YOU CAN CREATE YOUR OWN WEALTH. If you could not, then self-employed workers and businessmen wouldn't be a thing. Thus, wealth can be accumulated without the expense of others, and is based on personal input.
Now, the CURRENT system isn't set up that way. Because most people believe in Altruism, and Altruism says that we have to help those in need, people are actively incentivised to be the most needy. Thus, it's a race to the bottom, as those who sit on their hands and moan about life being so hard get "free stuff" stolen off the backs of those who actually do work. But in an AnCap society, those people would have to get a job, and the incentives would be set up to actually reward personal input.
And there is a symbiotic relationship between employer and employee. This is a whole discussion in and of itself, but essentially, the Marxist Weltanschauung (world-view) that we are antagonistic forces fighting against each other is nonsense. Bees pollinate the plants, who provide nectar to the bees in return.
Your point about the natural disaster is silly. Yes, a meteor could hit the earth right now and wipe out all life. That's not a factor we can control. In your example, because business owners are incensivised to look after themselves and take responsibility, the other owners will have things like "savings" and "business insurance" to rebuild in the event that their business gets wiped out. I know savings is not possible in our current heavy-tax and inflation-riddled Keynesian society, but in a free market it would be a viable strategy.
"Extortion" is justified in this scenario because what matters is the CUSTOMER. This is the part you've forgotten. If the customer is willing to pay the price, then he's not being "extorted". If he's unhappy that Bob is charging a lot for the product he's providing, Bill is more that able of creating a rival business that undercuts the competition.
In the "real world" (aka this Keynesian hell-hole) everything is messed up. Doubling down on the nonsense doesn't mean things will get better. What we need is a complete change, and that's what the free market is - the much needed change.
Finally, I will say that even a basic read of "Economics in One Lesson" by Henry Hazlitt would have answered most of your questions. It's clear that you've done ZERO reading on economics, and so I would recommend you read that rather than ask more questions that have already been answered.
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This is an old video from a different channel, but it explains free market health care vs State health care very well in a short space of time https://youtu.be/0uPdkhMVdMQ
The issue with he NHS is that it's a bloated bureaucracy, and like Mises explains, without free market prices you cannot have economic calculation. There is so much waste in the NHS that it's surprising they do any health-related work at all. What the NHS can do, a truly private free market health care service can do better, for cheaper, and wouldn't bring down the entire economy with it like the NHS is doing. It's too complicated to explain here why this is the case, but the linked video should help you understand. What is needed isn't some privatisation in the NHS, but truly private and independent hospitals that compete with each other to be the best at the most cheapest prices. The consumer should come first, not the business.
If you're being paid by the government, you're part of the government. Most likely, your business would not exist the way it does if the government wasn't paying you, therefore you're part of it. For example, let's say that your business is selling books, but because nobody is buying books, you're going under. Rather than accept this, you go to the government and ask for money in the interest of "education". Thus, instead of your business failing, freeing up resources to be put to better uses, the bad and unwanted business is being propped up by the government. The book shop owner has effectively become a member of the government, since he's on their payroll. Same with the unemployed collecting welfare cheques - they're being employed by the state to sit on their backsides all day rather than be a productive member of society.
I hope that goes some way to answering your questions. I'd really recommend Hazlitt's Economics in One Lesson if you haven't read it already.
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"I was born and raised under a communist regime. For decades now, I'm living in a "free" democratic and capitalist society. And do you know what's the big difference between those two systems? Absolutely nothing. They both suck!"
This is where you're going wrong. We don't live in a 'free' or 'capitalist' society. This society we live in only has the veneer of Capitalism, otherwise it's socialism all the way down. Even ignoring the taxes, the wage controls, the price controls, currency printing, rent controls, the regulations, the fines and many other manipulations... one half of every transaction is currency. Well, the currency you use is State central bank currency, the price of which is set by them - that's the interest rate. By artificially setting interest rates, they're manipulating and controlling EVERY transaction in the economy. The State controls and distorts EVERY transaction in the the currency! It's hardly a 'free' market - nor capitalism.
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"And that's because the only thing what matters are PEOPLE who make the society. I mean, who gives a crap how a system is called when majority of population are living like freaking zombies. Everyone are just pursuing their own petty interests (power and profit), instead of focusing to help each other, to help the nature and to pursue knowledge and wisdom."
Except, if we lived in a free market, you'd find that profit would be good. The only way to make profit in a free market is to give people what they want. By providing goods and services to others, they give you money in return. BUT because we don't live in a free market, instead we have inflation (a secret steal tax) and direct taxation - both of which steal wealth from those who produce efficiently, and redistribute it to those who don't. This causes massive distortions and inequality in the economy. If you want to know why the elite are getting richer, it is through inflation and taxation (force).
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"Communism, socialism, fascism, capitalism, monarchy, democracy... all those are just empty words."
Maybe to you, but not to me. They have definitions, but it sounds like you don't know what capitalism actually is, which is why I'm encouraging you to watch my Public vs Private video.
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"Or, you may argue, some of them work as intended, but does that matter when, more or less, people aren't really happy, aren't really free and live a crappy life?"
Of course they're not happy! I'm not happy with the current system either. Socialism doesn't work, and it gives the elite everything at the expense of the poor, who are forced to either slave away all their life, or exist on handouts. The way out of this is the free market. It's literally in the words - a market is a buyer and seller (THE PEOPLE). A free market is a free people. We don't have a free market, so we don't have free people. We have unhappy slaves.
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"Why everyone are so latched on those empty words? Could people live in absolute monarchy or within absolute communist regime and still be happy?"
I mean, maybe some people like being hungry slaves of the elite. I personally do not. So rather than slaving away for a monarch, or a 'first' comrade, or some other overlord, I'd rather work for myself, and for others I care about. And again, the words are not 'empty', they have meaning.
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"And that's exactly why I wrote you should be able to see trees for the forest, thus to see what is going on in practice, not in theory."
I'm telling you what's happening in practice. As I said in the Public vs Private video: the people are the public, and the public is the State.
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"And that's why I think you're wrong about Hitler. He wasn't a socialist, and under a different perspective he was a socialist in the same time. But does that really matter, when he was responsible for millions of deaths?"
It matters when it was his Socialism that murdered those people. His Socialism led to the war, and also to the Holocaust. If you take away his Socialism, you can't explain why these events happened.
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The rest of your post is just you failing to understand what's going on here. First, you're using the Marxist definition of Capitalism, not the actual definition. You have no knowledge of Capitalism - itself being the way the economy would function if it wasn't for State manipulation and distortion. Calling Capitalism an "ideology" is like calling the natural world an "ideology" - it's ridiculous. I would encourage you to read the book "Economics in One Lesson" by Henry Hazlitt, and watch my Public vs Private video, so that you actually understand where I'm coming from.
And if you're not interested in the words - fine. But don't complain when I argue with evidence that they actually have a meaning.
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"I didn't even want to rely on any source whatsoever, because the source is irrelevant."
No, the source is absolutely relevant.
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"That article explains, in simple words, why Hitler wasn't a socialist and explains differences between socialist idea and his own agenda."
And my Hitler's Socialism video explains why that old Marxist narrative is a load of rubbish.
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"Although the Nazis did pursue a level of government intervention in the economy that would shock doctrinaire free marketeers..."
Ah, you see, even Marxists can't hide the facts now.
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"...their “socialism” was at best a secondary element in their appeal."
Again, this argument has been addressed. It was a primary element in their appeal, but in order to get a wide variety of votes, they had to downplay their Socialism in favour of appealing to the the nationalist and conservative voters. If they hadn't done this, they wouldn't have done well in the late elections of the Weimar Republic. I've explained this here https://youtu.be/ZFI8lfnh_VU
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"Indeed, most supporters of Nazism embraced the party precisely because they saw it as an enemy of and an alternative to the political left."
No, they saw it as an enemy of the Marxists. Marxism may be on the Left, but it's not the only thing on the Left. Hitler's left-wing Socialism that prioritized the national-social group over the international-social group was appealing to many of the German voters.
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"After he took the throne, he went straight forward for autocracy, trying to accommodate any kind of socioeconomic system which will suit his needs for subjugation of entire world."
Exactly, just like Lenin did. That's precisely what Socialism is all about.
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"On the other hand, I'm really worried you went too deep into a rabbit hole of political ideologies. And that serves no one but only unaware, blinded fanatics who just can't see the forest for the trees."
I'm glad I could be of service to you.
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"So, please, stop and give it a try."
Give what a try? Telling the truth? Laying it all out so that even the most religious ideologues can understand it, only to be ignored by them and instead presented with poor arguments that not only contradict themselves but also fly in the face of the evidence? Your arguments are fundamentally flawed, and I'm not persuaded by flawed arguments.
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"It's not that hard."
Oh no, apparently it's really hard for people to actually sit there and pay attention to a 5 hour video which lays all out for you. In fact, the only counterargument I've had is "that's not 'real' socialism", which again, is a ridiculous argument considering I've outlined the historic definitions of Socialism and Capitalism in my Public vs Private video https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
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"Socialism, communism, fascism and everything else are nothing but futile definitions and useless LABELS, used by people to judge others or to justify their own narrative."
No, they actually have definitions. Socialism/Communism (originally they meant the same thing) are defined in my Public vs Private video https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y and Fascism is defined here https://youtu.be/qdY_IMZH2Ko
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"And that's why I wrote, "where the humanity disappeared"... or in other words... Why no one really cares about the freaking people!?"
You don't think I care about the people? Socialism is Elitism! You're pandering to the elites! But you don't realize it because you're so caught up in the religion of Socialism I can't get through to you. I accidentally took the Redpill, and just like Neo, I can't unsee the Matrix. You're still plugged into it. Wake up, smell the roses, and properly pay attention to what I'm saying. Once you understand that SOCIALISM IS FOR THE ELITE, NOT THE POOR, and why that is the case, you will realize that you have been lied to - just as I had been when I was in school, college and university.
I can lead a man to water but I cannot make him think... It's down to you to open your eyes
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"And they've manipulated gold lower and your buying. If a country is manipulating the price of gasoline into artificially low prices, that's not the time to invest in gasoline. That's just being a realist."
Artificially lower prices result in depleting stocks and, eventually, shortages. We had shortages of gold and silver last year, yet the paper price for both went down as premiums went up. This year we have the silver squeeze movement that's taken 37.3% of the Comex's current registered reserves, and 11.1% of their overall silver since January 2021. https://www.reddit.com/r/Wallstreetsilver/comments/rgk9bl/the_open_interest_on_the_upcoming_january_futures/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
Eventually, lower prices will result in shortages, at which point the unofficial black free market price of the goods will go much higher than the official price.
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"I have zero faith in crypto and I own none of it. But I can recognize the old gold speculators do have faith in it, which is why gold is longer the haven it used to be. The times have changed, gold has to compete now and it has lost value as a result."
You keep saying that gold has lost value, but it hasn't. It's only lost value to you because you got in far too late and bought at the peak. If you had bought when they smashed the price down artificially lower than it should have been (like I did) then you'd be saying that gold has gone up (and it has).
Besides, gold isn't "competing" with crypto. Just like housing, crypto is just absorbing the inflation, preventing it from seeping into the real economy. When the housing and crypto and stock and bond markets implode (or explode, depending), which they will, then you'll see real assets like gold go a lot higher. Again, gold is a long-term hedge against inflation, not a speculative "investment".
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Glad you enjoyed the video! Regarding your final question, if they had kept their economy free, they probably would have thought twice before attacking France, or starting the war in the first place. The German people would have realized the true cost of the war, and there would have been a massive incentive for it to end. An early peace would have resulted, or an early revolution, or similar. And this would have occurred before the economic situation became desperate.
In terms of food production, they would have been better off with a free market, which would have adapted to the high prices better. However, it wouldn't have been a truly free market if there were enforceable taxes. So the same problems would have occurred (inflation, wage increases to the factories Vs the farms, urbanisation etc). In a truly free market without taxation, then there's no way Germany could have been an aggressor in a war.
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"Turkey's inflation blew up because Erdogan in the stroke of genius decided to defy accepted sensible practices of monetary policy and forced the central bank to keep the interest rate too low. "
No, Turkish inflation started way before he did that. The media are telling you this because they want to distract you from the main cause.
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"The monetary base increased by, like , a third. Prices do not."
UK house prices have shot up 8% this year, and increased massively last year too. The current trend is clearly indicating that this will continue https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/housing-index So yes, they did increase the amount of currency in existence by a third, and so, when some time has passed, prices will no-doubt go up by a third.
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"Whether I am worse off in the end depends on the relative speed of growth of wages and prices. The mere fact that they both increasing means nothing."
In the 1950s, one working man could afford to have an entire family. Today, two people working full time struggle to do the same. This is reflected in the official UK statistics https://www.newstatesman.com/chart-of-the-day/2021/10/uk-real-wages-will-still-be-lower-in-2026-than-they-were-in-2008
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"Inflation bites into savings in currency, but if inflation is stable, interest rates account for it..."
Inflation is currently 6%, and interest rates are 0%. How is this "stable", exactly?
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"And one can always save in gold or something similar. People know that prices increase (and they even know approximately how fast they increase). So if they want, they can just buy gold, it is not WW1 Germany."
Gold prices are suffering under copious amounts of manipulation -
https://www.straitstimes.com/business/banking/jpmorgan-fined-126-billion-for-manipulating-precious-metals-treasury-market
https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/jpmorgan-pay-60-mln-settle-precious-metals-spoofing-lawsuit-2021-11-19/
https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/jpmorgan-to-pay-%24920-mln-fine-for-manipulating-precious-metals-treasury-market-2020-09-29
JP Morgan alone has been fined somewhere in the region of $42 billion for artificially suppressing the price of precious metals in order to keep you in the dollar/currency. So while you can buy gold, gold is not performing well because of the likes of JP Morgan, and so people are less-likely to choose gold as a viable option (until it's too late).
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"I am swearing, because I cannot be but amused by the fact that you are arguing with people from the 50s. When Rothbard and others wrote their works, many economist did believe that you can manipulate the economy however you want with inflation of money supply. By now it is the long resolved question, and everybody accepts that the best you can do with monetary policy is stabilization."
I'm not arguing with people from the 1950s. I'm arguing with the Keynesians who continue to spout their nonsense today. Rothbard's words show that the Keynesian Weltanschauung is incorrect, and the results of their disastrous economic policies are plain to see for anyone willing to open their eyes. The problem is that defenders of the faith are unwilling to open their eyes, and that's why you're swearing.
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"It is possible to massively increase a monetary base and to not experience a proportionally larger shock to prices. That is exactly what happened a year ago."
UK house prices would disagree with you on that one.
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"I just don't fucking get it, what narrative are you trying to construct? That the government robs people blind with inflationary tax? That is just not true, because any country with more or less sensible leadership follows stable and predictable monetary policy."
The more they print, the more your wages and your savings go down in actual terms, even though they go up in nominal terms. You have more digits in your bank balance, but everything else in the economy has gone up in price, and so you're worse off that before. Also, the more they keep printing, the more likely they'll have a hyperinflation, or a massive recession/depression as I explained here https://youtu.be/X3L0_pjRdcs So they are not pursuing a stable monetary policy at all, although it is predictable enough that I know where it's heading... which is why gold and silver is a nice hedge against them.
Also, you're swearing because you're hearing something that's challenging your previously held beliefs. My advice is for you to read the first part (at least, preferably all of it) of Murray Rothbard's "America's Great Depression" which is available as a free PDF here https://mises.org/library/americas-great-depression
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"See recent example of Turkey."
Turkey's inflation has come about because of the USA. Same with Iran's inflation, Venezuela's inflation, Zimbabwe's inflation, Lebanon's inflation, Argentina's inflation, Brazil's inflation... In fact, all the world is inflating together because of the United States and the Federal Reserve. You can either be aware of this fact, or you can ignore it.
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"So sensible governments stopped messing with inflation since 80s."
Sure...
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"I can't get rid of the feeling that it's still just your interpretation of certain sources you think credible."
I've used plenty of sources I don't agree with. I held one up in this video - Taylor's book is good for the history, but isn't great when it comes to the economics side of things. I've also read Keynes and Marx, and there are sources that say that the inflation was caused by exchange rates (it wasn't, and I will prove it later).
I'm not cherry picking sources, but I am deciding that certain points raised in those sources are correct or incorrect depending on the interpretation (whether they make logical sense, or if the evidence doesn't contradict them, etc). This is the exact same process I use in EVERY video of mine. Why? Because that's the basis of history theory https://youtu.be/PvpJEc-NxVc
I would encourage you to watch that video on History Theory if you haven't already because it also answers your "I'm pretty sure there are countless books that could be used to make the exact opposite of your argument, but I don't have the time and resources to independently go check and verify" point. No, you don't have time to verify, which is why you need historians to do the work for you. I can provide you a strong argument for one narrative, meaning that you (as a casual reader of history) only need to find a source that provides the opposing argument, at which point you can decide who seems to be telling the truth or not (again, depending on your interpretation).
Put another way, how do you know that ANY historian isn't telling the truth? Have you got time to verify their entire bibliography? Again, this all falls back on history theory, which is why I encourage you to watch the video I linked.
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"your attitude towards historical economic systems and governments paint you as an anti-establishment person, thus cautions me to take your arguments with a grain of salt."
Absolutely. But please remember that I was a moderate socialist and was pro-State intervention in the economy UNTIL I had my epiphany and realized the true nature of Socialism. That's why I had already read Marx and Engels, as well as bits of Keynes and other mainstream sources. I used to believe that the BBC was a Right-Wing mouthpiece (oh how wrong I was!)
So now I take the opposite stance, mainly because my previous supporters accused me of reading Mises and Rothbard, which I hadn't when I independently came to the conclusion that Hitler was a Socialist. Because of their accusations, I decided to pick them up, and boy do I not regret it. It became obvious straight away why the Socialists didn't want me to read Mises and Rothbard, and the reason why was because Mises and Rothbard completely destroy the Socialist and Keynesian narrative in a straight knockout.
The point is that I changed from a pro-State person to an anti-State person as a result of me reading the sources and seeing the evidence. I go where the evidence takes me, so feel free to be skeptical, but you should know that I've also sat on both sides of the fence and can absolutely see your point of view because I used to believe in that point of view too.
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"Also, your arguments align with my world view that almost all bad things happen because of greed and/or stupidity, but maaan, your reasoning suggests that it only got worse and most likely it will only get even worse... That's a depressing thought."
There's a quote I heard recently and I think it's apt -
"Would you rather be happy, or would you rather be right?" - Rian Stone
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"Anyways, keep up the good work, Monday is only bearable because I know at least I'll have a Tik video at the end of the day!"
Awesome! I'm glad you're still watching even if you disagree. That's shows maturity on your part :)
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"Low taxation countries usually have low living standards, not high; opposed as to what TIK claims. This can be statistically verified e.g. Western Europe having higher living standards than USA."
https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/glossary/real-gdp-capita/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/per-capita-gdp.asp
These were just the first few links I found. I'm sure there's a lot more.
"Tax cuts usually lead to less welfare, less social benefits,"
Because there's less need for welfare as more people have jobs. Tax cuts lead to job growth. Increase taxes lead to job cuts.
"expansive healthcare"
How does tax cuts lead to expensive healthcare exacty? You're still paying for the health care, but you're being forced to do it via tax rather than wages. At the very least, it costs the same, but in reality it's a lot more. For example, I've been to the doctors twice for a checkup in the last 12 years, even though I've been forced to pay national insurance (a tax) that entire time. Please tell me how that's not expensive to me?
"Too much bread is created and the people can't buy them anymore. This stalls further production boosts and leads to firing of workers."
I covered this in the video. This is how more jobs are created, and how the economy expands. This is a fundamental process to a working economy.
"This is why the 2008 banking crisis was possible."
The 2008 banking crisis was caused by government regulations on the banking sector, as Thomas Sowell points out in his book "Housing Boom and Bust" but this video also explains it - https://youtu.be/5GoAGuTIbVY
"Overproduction should really be covered by decreasing the working week, with keeping the same wage, instead of firing half the workforce."
No, because then you're not growing the economy. People's living standards don't increase - you're just lowering the amount that people work. If you want to go part time, go part time. A sizeable chunk of the workforce want more pay and more hours, not less.
"Production boosts haven't really gone to lowering of prices as described on your model (inflation is the norm, not deflation)."
Inflation is caused by the government printing money and has nothing to do with production. And to explain why production boosts haven't lowered prices - it's because the government is encouraging many people to be on long-term government subsidized unemployment social welfare. These people are no longer working, and have no incentive to work. The government is also hiding many people from the unemployment register, such as by increasing the school age to 18. This has then prevented any growth in the economy, as those who are still working are subsidizing the increased number of those who are not. So you aren't seeing the benefits of the production boosting process because the government has made this impossible by extending the length of time people are not working.
"7) Governments by themselves are not holy though. A lot of bureaucracy exists really only to distribute the shortages. You have right on one bread, you have right on two breads. Only if this and this is fulfilled, you can have a third bread. A lot of government bureaucracy should be reduced. Certain regulations should be lessened, while other regulation should be increased."
No, all government regulation is terrible. What hurts the consumer is bad for the economy. Governments are bad for the consumer. If a bad capitalist makes poisoned bread, then people will stop buying his bread and he will go out of business. It's in his best interests to make quality products at affordable prices. You don't need a government to regulate this. It's a pointless cost to the taxpayer, and ultimately hurts/shrinks the economy.
"8) Giving every worker the same wage (instead of along individual productivity) has unified workers in bargaining for collective wage increases. They're not as divided as when they received individual differentiating wages."
Again, collective wages are pointless. Production is what matters most. And it also doesn't work the way you've imagined it to be. You see this on minimum wage - it leads to workers not working efficiently, it leads to less production, it leads to bickering and bitching between the workforce... it's just bad all around. The Owenites at New Harmony found this out the hard way back in the 1800's, as did Attlee's government in the 1940's.
"Total wage increases led to increasing demand, inviting production investments."
No, it leads to inflation, as Milton Friedman highlights quite effectively here https://youtu.be/6LfUyML5QVY
"High wages also means it is more likely the capitalist will invest in production boosts, because the relative cost of production boosts has lowered compared to the total wage costs."
Except he can't invest in production because he now has increased costs. So he will fire his workforce, much like happened in this video - “The $15 Minimum Wage Is Turning Hard Workers Into Black Market Lawbreakers” https://youtu.be/0fsVI3EmUnQ
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@Николай Гончаров "@TIK "Just stop working and die!" not slaves at all!"
But the same principle applies to both capitalism and socialism. Are you suggesting that socialism will end all jobs? That's insanity - we'd all starve to death since there would be no production.
No, it's in our best interests to work and provide for ourselves. I don't want to live in a world where I have nothing to do. I want to work! And I don't want to be forced to work in government-owned places that don't interest me (socialism); I want to choose where I work. If I don't like my job, I can walk out and get another. That's the power of capitalism - I can choose where I spend my time and my money, and therefore I am not a slave. I have the freedom to work as much or as little as I want depending on how much I want to earn.
@Alexander Grable "Fine freedom, where the proletarian has no other choice than that of either accepting the conditions which the bourgeoisie offers him, or of starving, of freezing to death, of sleeping naked among the beasts of the forests!"
Again, the same applies to socialism. People have to work. There's no getting around that. Engels is essentially saying that the workers shouldn't be workers. Production will halt, which will result in starvation. Good job Engels.
I can't believe that I am defending the necessesity of humans to work and create things to a bunch of socialists, who clearly don't understand the very basics of economics. 'Oh no, I'm enslaved because I have to get out of bed every day'. What a fundamentally ridiculous argument.
If you don't want to work, you are not a worker.
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"Just because there is an economic plan does not mean there is Socialism."
If there is a centralized economic plan, then it is socialism. 'Centralized' meaning the social-collective-public state-government, and 'plan' as in the government does the planning. That is exactly what socialism is. This is the core of the philosophy.
"...had economic plans under right wing governments."
If they were government economic plans, they had a centralized public-state plan. This was "socialized man" (the public, or state) "common controlled" plan. It is not private property planning the nation's plan, it was the public plan, the collective controlled socialized man's plan. That is socialism and not capitalism, and therefore (assuming capitalism is right-wing, and assuming that these plans were made and executed by the states you mentioned) those plans were not right-wing. The very definition of socialism is collective-control. That is society as a whole, which is the 'public sector' or the 'public sphere' or the government/state.
"Furthermore you mistake fascist corporatism for GOSPLAN which is bizarre."
GOSPLAN is a government centralised plan. The Italian Fascist-Socialists operated in similar ways to the Nationalist-Socialists, which was a top-down, state-controlled economy. Again, the corporations were commonly-controlled by the state. This is why Fascism is socialism, and why Mussolini, Hitler, and Oswald Mosely were all socialists.
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"Ownership by members of the 'volk' is not the same as Socialism."
Marx/Engels say in volume 3 of Das Kapital that socialism is -
"socialised man, the associated producers, rationally regulating their interchange with Nature, bringing it under their common control, instead of being ruled by it as by the blind forces of Nature"
Socialism is the "socialized man" having "common control". Socialized man could mean worker - which is why you're refering to it as - which would be Marxist Socialism. However, it could also mean woman - gender socialism. Or it could mean nationality - e.g. Italian Nationals, which would be Fascism (which is socialism). Or it is the socialized race - the racial-socialism (National Socialism).
This is why the Left are all about identity politics. It's related to "socialized man", otherwise meaning "social groups". Race, nationality, gender, class... it's all the same thing - an artificial social construct for a group of people who supposedly all think and act the same way. The reality of course is that human beings don't all think and act the same way, but the point is that the Left do think in terms of racial groups, because they are racist. A "volk" is the same as socialism - it is a social group.
And yes, Nationalism is anti-individual, which is why it crystalized (along with socialism) as a by-product of the French Revolution. Patriotism, which is different to nationalism, is more individual in nature, while nationalism is a "national identity" based on shared social characteristics like race. Nationalism is anti-individual and therefore a Leftist ideology, just like socialism.
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"as shown by Germa Bel http://www.ub.edu/graap/EHR.pdf the 're-privatisation' often selling shares to the dominant private interest group in the firm."
And as also stated by her - "In addition, delivery of some public services previously produced by the public sector was transferred to the private sector, mainly to organizations within the Nazi Party." From "Against the mainstream: Nazi privatization in 1930s Germany" PDF.
Yes, the Nazis sold their state industries back to the state, and called it 'privatization'. And as Temin makes clear -
"Both governments reorganized industry into larger units, ostensibly to increase state control over economic activity. The Nazis reorganized industry into 13 administrative groups with a large number of subgroups to create a private hierarchy for state control. The state therefore could direct the firms’ activities without acquiring direct ownership of enterprises. The pre-existing tendency to form cartels was encouraged to eliminate competition that would destabilize prices.” Temin, P582-583
“The Soviets had made a similar move in the 1920s. Faced with a scarcity of administrative personnel, the state encouraged enterprises to combine into trusts and trusts to combine into syndicates. These large units continued into the 1930s where they were utilized to bridge the gap between overall plans and actual production.” Temin, P583
"... this difference was not important to many decisions. The incentives for managers - both positive and negative - were very similar in the two countries. Consequently, their responses to the [Four or Five Year] plans were also similar. In neither case did the managers set the goals of the plans.” Temin, P590-591
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"who want a employee that sells a lot of things but manage to get rid of customers in the long run because of bad deals? no one. but he works hard, then. so in your world this type of behavior should be rewarded? no?"
No, not at all. That would drive away customers, which would decrease production in the long run. Therefore this would be a bad employee.
"a lot of cases called lazyness are actually rooted in bad management as the explanation are oftenly that the employees get a lot of trouble when they try to be effective."
My experience as a worker who rose up the ranks in my previous job screams to me that the opposite is the case. Sure, you do have bad management, but you also have terrible laziness too. Not all workers are lazy, and I'd say most are not. But those few that are will actively try to do the least amount of work possible, to the detriment of the entire team, and their own jobs. There's only so many times you can tell someone to do the most basic elements of their job after they purposely/lazily neglect to do it over and over again. At some point the warnings aren't enough, and people get sacked.
We had to sack someone because they smoked an e-cig in the building three times, despite being told on at least three seperate occasions, plus had signed the company documents stating they shouldn't smoke inside, and the fact that it is against the law here to smoke indoors. Is that bad management? Not in the slightest. If anything, we should have sacked him sooner.
Yes, bad management do exist and I've been under them. The thing is, if you don't like it, the option is to get another job. Nobody's keeping you in that position. There's a door you can walk out of. And if you think you can do better, either rise up the ranks or set up your own business. “How to Start a Business for under $500” https://youtu.be/rKAAzZFLPEs
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@Alienated TV. First things first, let's clarify some definitions because you've confused two socialisms together.
Socialism is the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). If it is the social (worker's state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy), then it's Marxism (which is what you think 'socialism' is). If it is the social (German/Aryan people's state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy), then it is National Socialism.
Therefore, there’s three things you need to realize. 1. socialism does not necessarily mean Marxist (class) Socialism. It could mean National (race) Socialism. 2. When I say National Socialism is socialism, I mean it’s socialism, not Marxism. 3. socialism is shown by the level of state control, which is opposite to capitalism, since capitalism is about less state control -
Capitalism is the private (individual, non-state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy).
Hitler is not interested in classes. He's interested in races. His "social group" isn't the "working class" is the "German Aryan". Hitler is both anti-Marxist, and anti-capitalist because he thinks the Jews are causing a class crisis within capitalism to bring in Marxism, so that they can destroy the world (yup). He therefore wants to bring in racial-socialism in order to stop this. He wants to abolish class (a Marxist or capitalist concept) and unite the German race as his community.
Therefore getting rid of independent private unions and replacing them with state trade union is all that matters to qualify as socialism. Similarly, the managers of industry were enslaved by the state, as socialist writer Günter Reimann explains in "The Vampire Economy" written in 1939. The state dominated the economy, which is the very definition of socialism (at least, the pre-1956 definition of socialism).
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@Alienated TV. Thank you, I have already read that study, and it misses the mark big time. Please note that the Nazis abolished private property on the 28th of February 1933 as part of the Reichstag Fire Decree. The 'privatization' that took place was a slight of hand. The reality was that by 1935, the Nazis had infiltrated the industries and had nationalized them from the inside in all but name. Wage controls, price controls, limits on trade, government quotas, state-trade union... it was social ownership of the means of production all the way.
I will quote the best part of that study though -
"In addition, delivery of some public services previously produced by the public sector was transferred to the private sector, mainly to organizations within the Nazi Party." P23
Yeah, no, the Nazi Party by that point (mid-1930's) was the state. It wasn't the private sector at all.
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So, what we have here is a clear definition of socialism. Socialism is the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). This is opposite to capitalism, which is the private (individual, non-state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). Socialism involves the abolishment of private property, state ownership or control of the means of production, and leads to policies like Autarky, nationalisation, and collectivisation. But the principle element is state control of the means of production, which is where the term “public sector” comes into it.
Labour laws, regulations, high taxes, wage controls (e.g. 'minimum wage'), price controls, government intervention in the economy, state run or state funded businesses - are all socialisms, as they fall under the definition that the state owns or controls the means of production.
State armies, state police and judicial services don't necessarily count as socialism since they're not a means of production. However, a National Health Service, or nationalised fire service, a state postal service, or a state education system are all forms of socialism, since these are parts of the economy funded by taxation. I'm not saying whether they should or should not be funded by the state, but that if they are, they're socialisms. If you doubt this, then ask yourself how exactly they are capitalism - private ownership of the means of production?
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The Many Definitions of Socialism
“When a population collectively owns and controls the means of production, and distributes the end result proportionally. In practice however, control is usually delegated to the state...” by NowThisWorld https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBYmeLBWjeI
“Socialism can be defined as "a system of social organization in which private property and the distribution of income are subject to social control." In other words, it's a state-controlled economy in which the state controls the means of production: factories, offices, resources, and firms. There are also forms of socialism in which the means of production are controlled and owned by workers.” https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/whats-difference-between-socialism-democratic-socialism-new-york-democratic-primary-a8425416.html
Google’s definition of socialism - “a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.”
“any economic or political system based on government ownership and control of important businesses and methods of production” “an economic, political, and social system that is based on the belief that all people are equal and should share equally in a country's money:” https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/socialism
“1. any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods” “2. a system of society or group living in which there is no private property” “b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state” “: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done” https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism
“Socialism is a set of left-wing political principles whose general aim is to create a system in which everyone has an equal opportunity to benefit from a country's wealth. Under socialism, the country's main industries are usually owned by the state.” “1. an economic theory or system in which the means of production, distribution, and exchange are owned by the community collectively, usually through the state. It is characterized by production for use rather than profit, by equality of individual wealth, by the absence of competitive economic activity, and, usually, by government determination of investment, prices, and production levels” “2. any of various social or political theories or movements in which the common welfare is to be achieved through the establishment of a socialist economic system” “3. (in Leninist theory) a transitional stage after the proletarian revolution in the development of a society from capitalism to communism: characterized by the distribution of income according to work rather than need”https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/socialism
“1 A political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.” “The term ‘socialism’ has been used to describe positions as far apart as anarchism, Soviet state Communism, and social democracy; however, it necessarily implies an opposition to the untrammelled workings of the economic market. The socialist parties that have arisen in most European countries from the late 19th century have generally tended towards social democracy” https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/socialism
“An economic system in which goods and services are provided through a central system of cooperative and/or government ownership rather than through competition and a free market system.”http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/socialism.html
“Socialism, social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources. According to the socialist view, individuals do not live or work in isolation but live in cooperation with one another. Furthermore, everything that people produce is in some sense a social product, and everyone who contributes to the production of a good is entitled to a share in it. Society as a whole, therefore, should own or at least control property for the benefit of all its members.“This conviction puts socialism in opposition to capitalism, which is based on private ownership of the means of production and allows individual choices in a free market to determine how goods and services are distributed. Socialists complain that capitalism necessarily leads to unfair and exploitative concentrations of wealth and power in the hands of the relative few who emerge victorious from free-market competition—people who then use their wealth and power to reinforce their dominance in society. Because such people are rich, they may choose where and how to live, and their choices in turn limit the options of the poor. As a result, terms such as individual freedom and equality of opportunity may be meaningful for capitalists but can only ring hollow for working people, who must do the capitalists’ bidding if they are to survive. As socialists see it, true freedom and true equality require social control of the resources that provide the basis for prosperity in any society. Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels made this point in Manifesto of the Communist Party (1848) when they proclaimed that in a socialist society “the condition for the free development of each is the free development of all.“This fundamental conviction nevertheless leaves room for socialists to disagree among themselves with regard to two key points. The first concerns the extent and the kind of property that society should own or control. Some socialists have thought that almost everything except personal items such as clothing should be public property; this is true, for example, of the society envisioned by the English humanist Sir Thomas More in his Utopia (1516). Other socialists, however, have been willing to accept or even welcome private ownership of farms, shops, and other small or medium-sized businesses.“The second disagreement concerns the way in which society is to exercise its control of property and other resources. In this case the main camps consist of loosely defined groups of centralists and decentralists. On the centralist side are socialists who want to invest public control of property in some central authority, such as the state—or the state under the guidance of a political party, as was the case in the Soviet Union. Those in the decentralist camp believe that decisions about the use of public property and resources should be made at the local, or lowest-possible, level by the people who will be most directly affected by those decisions. This conflict has persisted throughout the history of socialism as a political movement”https://www.britannica.com/topic/socialism
“Socialism started out being defined as “government ownership of the means of production,” which is why the government of the Soviet Union confiscated all businesses, factories, and farms, murdering millions of dissenters and resistors in the process. It is also why socialist political parties in Europe, once in power, nationalized as many of the major industries (steel, automobiles, coal mines, electricity, telephone services) as they could. The Labour Party in post-World War II Great Britain would be an example of this.” - Dilorenzo, T. “The Problem with Socialism.” Regnery Publishing, Kindle 2016.
“The great majority of those I have asked, all of them qualified to speak with authority, not only give a definition, but their definitions come remarkably close together.” - “Socialism is the public ownership and operation of all the means of production.” - “Socialism ... is the collective ownership, through the state, of all the means of production and distribution.” “Socialism… is a proposed reorganization of industrial society which would substitute for the private ownership of land and the instruments of production public ownership, and for the private direction and management of industry, direction and management through public officials.” - “...the common ownership and operation of substantially all productive instruments.” - “Socialism is the collective ownership and democratic management of the social means of production for the common good.” - “Socialism… is that contemplated system of society which proposes the abolition of private property in the great material instruments of production, and the substitution therefor of collective property; and advocates the collective management of production, together with the distribution of social income by society, and private property in the larger proportion of this social income.” - [And this just goes on and on like this, with numerous people from 1911 saying the exact same thing.] From “The American Economic Review, Vol. 1, No. 2, Papers and Discussions of theTwenty-third Annual Meeting (Apr., 1911), pp. 347-354”
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Other counter arguments include Ernst Rohm’s Putsch, where people will say that the Nazis killed socialists. However, this is actually an example of state control, since it is the state cracking down on private businesses and organizations.The ‘socialists’ that Hitler killed were Ernst Röhm and his associates. These were a small number of (1,000) of socialists out of the large SA (3,000,000 strong) who were supposedly planning a coup on Hitler. This was in-fighting within the Party, rather than ideological opponents.
Another counterargument is that Hitler got rid of trade unions. And, at first, getting rid of trade unions looks like an example of getting rid of socialism. But is this really the case? What is a trade union? A trade union is an organization (usually Marxist in nature) of workers (class) who are opposing the employer (class). Since trade unions are based on class and not race, they’re an example of Marxism within capitalism.
Hitler replaces the Marxist (class) trade unions with the racial-state’s “German Labour Front” (DAF). The state is now in control of the workers - a sign of socialism. Since trade unions (private organizations) are no longer around, this is a sign of anti-capitalism, as well as anti-Marxism. It also misses the point that Lenin was against trade unions as well, despite being a Marxist-socialist.
So, with the above quotes, we can see that private property was abolished and that the capitalist businessmen were in trouble. They were not, as some claim, "supporting Hitler" and ruling the roost. They were under the socialist thumb. Similarly we have a heavy-state involvement in land reform in order to ‘socialize’ it. We also have price controls and high taxes restricting any effective ‘capitalism’ that may have been going on in the economy. All this is in addition to the fact that Hitler had restricted Germany’s trade with the world (“international-Jewish-finance” as he called it), severely limiting capitalism. We have the destruction of trade unions (both capitalist and Marxist in nature) and their replacement with the state. Therefore, what we have here is a planned socialist economy, not capitalism.
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Friedman, M. “Capitalism and Freedom: Fortieth Anniversary Edition.” university of Chicago, Kindle 2002. (originally published in 1962)Geyer, M. & Fitzpatrick, S. "Beyond Totalitarianism: Stalinism and Nazism Compared." Cambridge University Press, Kindle 2009.Hazlitt, H. “Economics in One Lesson: The Shortest & Surest Way to Understand Basic Economics.” Three Rivers Press, 1979. (originally published 1946)Joseph Goebbels and Mjölnir, Die verfluchten Hakenkreuzler. Etwas zum Nachdenken (Munich: Verlag Frz. Eher, 1932). (English translation)
Hoppe, H. “A Theory of Socialism and Capitalism.” Kindle.
Hitler. A. “Mein Kampf.” Jaico Books, 2017.Kershaw, I. “Hitler: 1936-1945 Nemesis.” Penguin Books, 2001.Kershaw, I. “Stalinism and Nazism: Dictatorships in Comparison.” Cambridge University Press, Kindle 2003.Marx, K. “Capital: A Critique of Political Economy: Volume I Book One: The Process of Production of Capital.” PDF of 1887 English edition, 2015.
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Newman, M. “Socialism: A Very Short Introduction.” Kindle.
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Smith, A. “An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations.” Kindle.
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"The Nazis viewed private property as conditional on its use - not as a fundamental right. If the property was not being used to further Nazi goals, it could be nationalized.” Temin, P576
“Prof. Junkers of the Junkers aeroplane factory refused to follow the government’s bidding in 1934. The Nazis thereupon took over the plant, compensating Junkers for his loss. This was the context in which other contracts were negotiated.” Temin, P576-577
“Manufacturers in Germany were panic-stricken when they heard of the experiences of some industrialists who were more or less expropriated [had their property seized] by the State. These industrialists were visited by State auditors who had strict orders to “examine” the balance sheets and all bookkeeping entries of the company (or individual businessman) for the preceding two, three, or more years until some error or false entry was found. The slightest formal mistake was punished with tremendous penalties. A fine of millions of marks was imposed for a single bookkeeping error. Obviously, the examination of the books was simply a pretext for partial expropriation of the private capitalist with a view to complete expropriation and seizure of the desired property later. The owner of the property was helpless, since under fascism there is no longer an independent judiciary that protects the property rights of private citizens against the state. The authoritarian State has made it a principle that private property is no longer sacred.” - Reimann, Chapter II (no page number, as on Kindle)
Reimann, in 1939, quotes from a German businessman’s letter to an American businessman -
“The difference between this and the Russian system is much less than you think, despite the fact that officially we are still independent businessmen.” “Some businessmen have even started studying Marxist theories, so that they will have a better understanding of the present economic system.” “How can we possibly manage a firm according to business principles if it is impossible to make any predictions as to the prices at which goods are to be bought and sold? We are completely dependent on arbitrary Government decisions concerning quantity, quality and prices for foreign raw materials.” “You cannot imagine how taxation has increased. Yet everyone is afraid to complain about it. The new State loans are nothing but confiscation of private property, because no one believed that the Government will ever make repayment, nor even pay interest after the first few years.” “We businessmen still make sufficient profit, sometimes even large profits, but we never know how much we are going to be able to keep…”
“The decree of February 28, 1933, nullified article 153 of the Weimar Constitution which guaranteed private property and restricted interference with private property in accordance with certain legally defined conditions … The conception of property has experienced a fundamental change. The individualistic conception of the State - a result of the liberal spirit - must give way to the concept that communal welfare precedes individual welfare. (Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz).” - Reimann, quoting from Jahrbuch des Oeffentlichen Rechtes der Gegenward, ed. by Otto Koellreuther (1935), p. 267.
“There exists no law which binds the State. The State can do what it regards as necessary, because it has the authority.” “The next stage of National-Socialist economic policy consists of replacing capitalist laws by policy.” - Fritz Nonnenbruch, the financial editor of the Voelkischer Beobachter (quoted by Reimann).
“The life of the German businessman is full of contradictions. He cordially dislikes the gigantic, top-heavy, bureaucratic State machine which is strangling his economic independence. Yet he needs the aid of these despised bureaucrats more and more, and is forced to run after them, begging for concessions, privileges, grants, in fear that his competitor will gain the advantage.” - Reimann
“Such a system also changes the psychology of businessmen. Their experiences teach them that the old right of property no longer exists. They find themselves compelled to respect the “national interest” or the “welfare of the community.”” “Businessmen must claim that everything they do, any new business for which they want a certificate, any preferment in the supply of raw materials, etc., is “in the interest of the national community.”” - Reimann
Schacht centralized and heavily regulated the electricity production industry, which then sparked a new plan of economic administration. This was all in 1935. [Tooze's Wages of Destruction P111-112]
"...in practice the Reichsbank and the Reich Ministry of Economic Affairs had no intention of allowing the radical activists of the SA, the shopfloor militants of the Nazi party or Gauleiter commissioners to dictate the course of events. Under the slogan of the 'strong state', the ministerial bureaucracy fashioned a new national structure of economic regulation." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112
“We worked and governed with incredible elan. We really ruled. For the bureaucrats of the Ministry the contrast to the Weimar Republic was stark. Party chatter in the Reichstag was no longer heard. The language of the bureaucracy was rid of the paralysing formula: technically right but politically impossible.” - Schacht, speaking of the situation after 1933. Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112-113
"It would be absurd to deny the reality of this shift. The crisis of corporate capitalism in the course of the Great Depression did permanently alter the balance of power. Never again was big business to influence the course of government in German as directly as it did between the outbreak of World War I in 1914 and the onset of the Depression in 1929. The Reich's economic administration, for its part, accumulated unprecedented powers of national economic control." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P113
“Control over domestic resources was paralleled by centralized control over imports. Both countries [Nazi and Soviet] controlled and restricted international trade.” Temin, P580
"Both governments reorganized industry into larger units, ostensibly to increase state control over economic activity. The Nazis reorganized industry into 13 administrative groups with a large number of subgroups to create a private hierarchy for state control. The state therefore could direct the firms’ activities without acquiring direct ownership of enterprises. The pre-existing tendency to form cartels was encouraged to eliminate competition that would destabilize prices.” Temin, P582-583
“The Soviets had made a similar move in the 1920s. Faced with a scarcity of administrative personnel, the state encouraged enterprises to combine into trusts and trusts to combine into syndicates. These large units continued into the 1930s where they were utilized to bridge the gap between overall plans and actual production.” Temin, P583
"“... this difference was not important to many decisions. The incentives for managers - both positive and negative - were very similar in the two countries. Consequently, their responses to the [Four or Five Year] plans were also similar. In neither case did the managers set the goals of the plans.” Temin, P590-591
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28 February 1933 -
Order of the Reich President for the Protection of People and State
On the basis of Article 48 paragraph 2 of the Constitution of the German Reich, the following is ordered in defense against Communist state-endangering acts of violence:
§ 1. Articles 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124 and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. It is therefore permissible to restrict the rights of personal freedom [habeas corpus], freedom of (opinion) expression, including the freedom of the press, the freedom to organize and assemble, the privacy of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communications. Warrants for House searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.”
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Articles of the Weimar Constitution affected -
Article 115.
The dwelling of every German is his sanctuary and is inviolable. Exceptions may be imposed only by authority of law.
Article 153.
Property shall be guaranteed by the constitution. Its nature and limits shall be prescribed by law.
Expropriation [noun, the action by the state or an authority of taking property from its owner for public use or benefit.] shall take place only for the general good and only on the basis of law. It shall be accompanied by payment of just compensation unless otherwise provided by national law. In case of dispute over the amount of compensation recourse to the ordinary courts shall be permitted, unless otherwise provided by national law. Expropriation by the Reich over against the states, municipalities, and associations serving the public welfare may take place only upon the payment of compensation.
Property imposes obligations. Its use by its owner shall at the same time serve the public good.
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By law, individuals couldn't own property. Therefore, they cannot own businesses. The 'privatization' that took place, in fact, is a slight of hand. And there are many instances where the government exercised their power by seizing a person's personal property or businesses - namely the Jews. The Nazis nationalized industries that didn't do as they insisted, then 're-privatized' them. But in reality those businesses could only function as part of the state, and were under control by the state, and weren't really owned by their owners.
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"The problem is that, under a pure market mechanism, there is no incentive to use it in order to meet the needs of large swathes of the population"
Your entire argument is built on this faulty premise. In fact, you fail to understand that a 'market' is a buyer and seller. It is the population itself. They are the very people who are getting their needs met by the market - themselves. So of course there is incentive - it's called the consumer. A consumer only buys what they want or need, and doesn't not buy what they don't want or need. The consumer makes the choice, which means that the large swathe of the population are making the choice, since everyone is a consumer.
What you're proposing is a system whereby the government (a monopoly) takes control of the economy (socialism) and forcefully takes money off people so they can create things that the consumer doesn't want. If the consumer wants to buy food for their children, tough luck because the socialist government has taken your money and spent it on an inefficient and failing project like a giant peanut farm in Africa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanganyika_groundnut_scheme
A government monopoly is exactly what leads to things like Gulags and gas chambers, because these were created by governments. Consumers do not want gas chambers, which is why none are built in capitalist countries.
"No TIK, unemployment is NOT necessary. Yes, it is bad to have people artificially stuck in a non-gainful form of employment, but it is ALSO bad to have workers wanting to work but being unable to."
But they would be able to do so if you let the market decide where to spend its wealth. The only artificial form of employment is when the government intervenes and forces workers to work jobs that nobody needs them to work - such as stood beside roads, drinking tea and pretending to "maintain" the roads. That's not efficient. An independent private firm would want the work done as quickly and efficiently as possible to lower costs. Government is not interested in that because government can always just increase taxes on the poor later.
Having those excess workers not working would save the consumer money, who would then spend the excess elsewhere, leading to job creation, which would then solve the unemployment problem. Placing a barrier between that - like paying people not to work so that they have no incentive to work - is a terrible strategy for improving living standards as there is a wide section of the economy which is not being productive, whilst draining the rest of the productive workers in the economy.
"The problem is that it's not at all self-evident that the increase in buying power resulting from the fall in the price of stuff A will outweigh the fall in buying power that results from the unemployment generated by the automation/streamlining/layoffs of industry A"
Then you need to study some basic economics. Here's a book you should read - Hazlitt's "Economics in One Lesson".
"What's worse is that some people simply don't have the IQ to acquire these new skills, regardless of the amount of money you throw at them."
Then don't throw other people's money at them. Make them want to increase their IQ, skills, and opportunities. Give them an incentive to actually work hard. Give them a purpose in life. That's what a productive economy does.
"And that's just a fraction of the reason why there is a massive need for government intervention. There's environment, consumer protection, safety standards etc."
Yes, because it's in my best interest as a business owner to pollute the water I drink, annoy all my customers so I have none and go out of business, and to kill my own workers (you know, because it's not a cost or anything to hire and train them).
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"By way of contrast it's very difficult to find the mention of how many people died during the great depression in the U.S at that time" "Capitalism was heading towards a crisis in the 1920's and 30's which prompted Roosevelt to make The New Deal."
A Great Depression caused by the US government (socialism) itself https://youtu.be/dgyQsIGLt_w Thomas Sowell also concluded the same.
"@TIK Hitler's racism wasn't his socialism. Some of the Jews were owners of production but they weren't the only ones."
What are you on about? Socialism is state ownership of the means of production. The socialist "enemy" of Marxism was the bourgeoisie. The socialist "enemy" of racial-socialism was the Jew. The bourgeoisie don't necessarily own the means of production, so that has nothing to do with it. They're just an evil bogeyman.
"Most modern economists couldn't even predict 2008, so I think Marx can hardly be expected to predict something with so many variables as the date of the fall of a whole world system."
Funny because I distinctly remember knowing in advance of the 2008 recession that there was going to be a recession, because many economists were warning about it at the time. In fact I advised some family members not to set up their business in 2008, and they ignored me and did it anyway (it didn't last very long).
"What Marx was talking about is happening now, started by Thatcher and Reagan"
Yes because world poverty hasn't been descreasing over the past few decades and living standards haven't risen at all (see third graph in this link https://ourworldindata.org/extreme-poverty ). You do realise that the UK was in crisis in the 1970s? Academic Agent has done a great video on this here https://youtu.be/C4qepKR3akA
"I meant to say the 'Wehrmacht' and said Wiemar mistakenly which is a fairly easy to figure out, so why the incredulous act?"
It wasn't easy to figure out because you said that Weimar was a country, and the Wehrmacht isn't a country.
"You act as if Marx was scapegoating the bosses and that they have nothing to do with a country's economic woes."
I never said Marx was scapegoating the bosses? And they don't have anything to do with a country's economic woes. How can businessmen who provide jobs be bad for an economy? It doesn't make any sense
Since it's clear that you're not interested in listening to what I have to say, maybe you should listen to these other videos -
Why Government Money Can't Fix Poverty https://youtu.be/f0JorXgqxiU
Why is the Government Driving Folks off Their Land? https://youtu.be/yw3RiMdS7sE
This LA Musician Built $1,200 Tiny Houses for the Homeless. Then the City Seized Them. https://youtu.be/n6h7fL22WCE
The $15 Minimum Wage Is Turning Hard Workers Into Black Market Lawbreakers https://youtu.be/0fsVI3EmUnQ
Sandy Springs, Georgia: The City that Outsourced Everything https://youtu.be/f8qFvo2qJOU
Elon Musk Can't Sell His Teslas in Texas https://youtu.be/noqdlCmn4h0
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"If this along with Hitler was a socialist oh dear."
28th of February 1933 the Nazis abolished private property. The subsequent 'privatizations' was a slight of hand, and masked the reality that the Nazis nationalized the industries and had total control and ownership of the industries, the railroads, the workers battalions, the education systems, the youth, the military, the political system, the judicial system, and the wage controls and price controls. They destroyed private trade unions and replaced them with the state. They did this, not in the name of a class group, but in the name of a racial group, meaning that they weren't Marxist-Socialists, but racial-socailists.
But yes, the Nazis were capitalists somehow.
"@TIK so at 19 minutes in supply and demand, can you explain to me then the situation involving nurses , demand is high, 50,000 short at the last count yet wages are low."
If demand his high, then their wages would be high. The reality is that demand isn't high. For example, I've paid "national insurance" (tax) for around 12 years. In that time I've been to the doctors about 2 or 3 times. Have I got my money's worth? No. Is the NHS in demand by me? No. It's a bulging oversized colossal waste of money. Now that's not so say there shouldn't be hospitals, but the way the government has made it isn't the way it should be done -
The reality is that the NHS is "free", meaning people overuse and abuse the system. The underpaid nurses are now dealing with x10 more patients that they would normally deal with simply because the people get a cold and end up at hospital. Except of course it's not actually "free" to me because I work. It's only "free" to those who don't work; who don't contribute to society. Every worker is effectively subsidizing everyone who doesn't work - as I described in the video.
Worse, because it's run by the government, most of my money has been wasted on government officials, administrators, bureaucrats and politicians. It hasn't gone to the nurses directly without passing through the money filter that is the government. If I paid the nurses directly, they'd get 100% of the money, but I'm not allowed to do that as the government has forcefully taken the money I would or could have allocated to pay for the nurses directly.
Plus, I haven't needed to go to the doctors so often, so my demand for nurses or healthcare is low. Therefore the amount of nurses needed is also low. This is why the NHS is failing - it's a bureaucracy, not a health care system. There is zero need for it to be the size that it is. But the government has made it way too big, and "free" to the point that people abuse it when they don't need to.
This is why wages for nurses are low - they're not actually in much demand. You could shrink the size of the NHS and pay the staff that remain more. This is basic supply and demand.
"At best a system for the benefit of a few and the detriment of the many"
Yes, that's what socialism does. Socialism benefits the government and anyone who doesn't work. Those that do work are massively worse off as a result of the restriction and constraint on living standards. This is seen historically in countries like Cambodia, the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, North Korea, Tanzania, Venezuela etc.
Here's a video on Socialist Venezuela https://youtu.be/S1gUR8wM5vA Note the inflation rate rising and the productivity rate falling, further supporting the conclusions made in my video.
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"You were not quoting from anyone, you giving your stupid interpretation....which ended up being antisemitic."
No, I was framing it the way that the National Socialists see it. They believed that the factories were owned by Jews. That does not mean that I hold that view. Again, you have failed to distinguish that explaining what Hitler's ideology is all about doesn't mean that I believe in it. It's no wonder you're coming to such blatantly ridiculous conclusions if you don't have the communication skills to understand this.
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"Incorrect, Mises said the fascists had saved European civilization from Bolshevism. Read the quote in full."
I have. The full quote is literally him saying that the Fascists believed they were saving Europe. And the book is literally him in praise of 'Liberalism' which is opposed to Fascism, and Fascism is opposed to Liberalism, which you would know if you understood basic political theory. Again, you're failing to distinguish this because you lack basic communication skills.
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"Mises was a member of the fascist fatherland front and said fascism had saved civilization...those are the facts."
This has got to be in the Top 10 most ridiculous sentences I've ever read. For starters, I've already explained why he didn't say Fascism saved civilization. But, if you don't believe me, perhaps you'll believe others explaining this -
"It should also be made clear that the passage quoted from Mises occurs in the context of an ATTACK on fascism. Mises criticized and rejected fascism for its illiberal and interventionist economic program, its foreign policy based on force, which "cannot fail to give rise to an endless series of wars," and, most fundamentally, its "complete faith in the decisive power of violence" instead of rational argument to gain ultimate victory." - https://mises.org/library/mises-fascism-democracy-and-other-questions
And here's another quote from Mises himself -
"My activity from 1918 to 1934 can be divided into four parts: Prevention of Bolshevist Takeover. Halting the Inflation. Avoidance of Banking Crisis. Struggle Against Takeover by Germany." - Mises's Notes and Recollections https://mises.org/library/meaning-mises-papers
He was an economic advisor trying to persuade the guy in charge - Chancellor Engelbert Dollfuss - that Facsist/socialist policies were ridiculous. It was in 1934 that Mises was forced to flee as Dollfuss was assassinated by the German Nazis. And, by his own words, he was trying to stop both the Marxists AND the National Socialists of Germany.
But also The Fatherland Front in Austria was opposed to capitalism and liberalism. Mises was a capitalist and a liberal, and was Jewish. Mises was arguing with Dollfuss against his policies.
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"Using your logic, comparing Marxists to fascists is accusing Werner Scholem(a Jewish communist who was murdered in the holocaust) of "agreeing with Hitler"...which is totally bunk."
No, that's exactly what you're arguing when you say that Mises was a Fascist. And again, Scholem was ethnically Jewish, not religiously Jewish. So, by being a Marxist, he was religiously anti-Semitic, just as Karl Marx was.
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"Unlike Mises, his views were totally opposed to fascism....he never claimed they saved europe from civilization."
Marxism is just fascism by a different name. Fascism is socialism on the national level, whereas Marxism is supposedly international. The fact that an international regime is still a nation doesn't seem to have been realized yet by many socialists.
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"The Nazis also glorified the murder of Rosa Luxembourg and Eisner...guess you must be spitting on them as well."
You're the one spitting on them, not me. You are the one denying the Holocaust and being anti-Semitic by denying that the Holocaust didn't happen, whilst calling for another 'Revolution/Holocaust'.
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"Also, Marx's family founded the synagogue(in Trier) that was later burned by down by the Nazis....so don't start that BS with me.."
Irrelevant. Marx didn't found the synagogue and was anti-Semitic.
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"your historical revisionism is far more offensive to the victims of the holocausts than pointing out the fact that Mises praised fascism in the 20s."
1) Revising history is what historians do. It's literally their job, as history theory dictates https://youtu.be/PvpJEc-NxVc
2) I'm the one arguing that the Holocaust happened. You're the one denying it happened, and calling for the next one.
3) Again, Mises did NOT praise Fascism. He was attacking Fascism.
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"Corporations are not socialist at all, they are capitalist entities. Just look at Amazon."
Are you saying that Amazon is a private individual? Are you saying that all Corporations are private individuals?
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"Mises was not an atheist, just like Rothbard + Marx."
Mises and Rothbard believed in Judaism. Marx did not. But this sentence of yours is contradicted by Aiden B who has just said that Marx was an atheist, which you yourself said earlier.
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"And again, I have never claimed that capitalism was Jewish.....you did. You literally claimed that the Nazis rose up against the Jewish factory owners...an outrageous and antisemitic lie."
I never claimed that. Me explaining that the Nazis believed themselves to be rising up against Jewish factory owners, doesn't mean that I think that. If I explained that Julius Caesar had slaves, that doesn't mean that I'm pro-slavery. If I quote from Stalin, that doesn't mean I agree with Stalin.
You seem to have difficulty in distinguishing between these two stances: 1) when someone believes in what someone else thinks, or 2) when someone is quoting what someone else thinks. These are not the same thing, and this is leading you to believe that when I say "the Nazis believed this" that I must agree with the Nazis. That's not true at all.
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"As for pro fascist Mises. Mises did not say "fascism had failed"..he said it "had saved European civilization" something that you cannot deny. He was speaking for himself, not fascists."
No he wasn't. I've just explained this. Again, you are failing to distinguish what someone else is saying. Let me break it down for you -
1) Fascists believe that they saved European civilization.
2) Mises is telling you what the Fascists believe.
So that's not Mises believing that Fascism saved European civilization. Instead, he's telling you what the Fascists themselves believe. You have failed to distinguish this from the (highly selective) quote, which is very worrying, because it's a clear that you're not understanding basic reason or logic.
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"As for Mises being a victim of the holocaust, all Jews were victims of the holocaust...including many jews who had previously supported fascism(such as Ettore Ovazza)....Mises was not denounced because of his views, but because of heritage."
None of that excuses your previous point. You said that Mises was a Fascist, and thus a supporter of Fascism. In reality, he was a victim of the Holocaust. Your denial of his actual beliefs (Liberalism and Capitalism) and your assertion that he believes in the opposite (Fascist Socialism) makes it seem that Mises was anti-Semitic against Jewish (including himself), and that he was praising his own persecution and that of the other Jews. This is anti-Semitism in the extreme.
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"AS for your last comment about Hugenburg...ridiculous. He was a media tycoon FFS which is why your dimwitted sophistry is laughable. Do you think Murdoch is a socialist as well?"
This is a dismissal of the argument, not a refutation. Corporations are Socialist. I've been over this and explained this in full in my Public vs Private video, which you should see https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
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"LOL, both Mises and Marx were atheists who disliked religion. Marx, however, came from a long line of Rabbis...including the chief rabbi of Trier whilst it appears Mises's family had very little to do with the Jewish community in europe."
No Mises practiced Judaism. But even if he didn't, he was ethnically Jewish. So your argument that I'm an anti-Semite is contradicted by the fact that I support Mises, and Rothbard, both of whom were Jewish. Also, since anti-Semites (like yourself, and your hero Karl Marx) believe that Capitalism was Jewish (which the Nazis also said by the way), then why would I be a Capitalist? If I was anti-Semitic, and believed that Capitalism was Jewish, then why would I support Capitalism. Your argument makes zero sense.
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"It cannot be denied that Fascism and similar movements aimed at the establishment of dictatorships are full of the best intentions and that their intervention has for the moment saved European civilization. The merit that Fascism has thereby won for itself will live on eternally in history."- Mises, Liberalism(1927)
This is a fantastic example of selective quoting. In context, Mises is actually saying that Fascism has failed. But, by taking out these two lines from the text, you make it sound like he's defending it. And in reality, the first line actually says that Fascism believes that it's saved European civilization - but that's Mises saying that Fascism believes that of itself, not Mises saying he agrees with that view. The second sentence is the same: Mises is saying that Fascism thinks it's won for itself a victory. Again, that's not Mises agreeing with Fascism. He's just pointing out what Fascists think.
Also, what you fail to realize is that Mises was a victim of the Holocaust. When the National Socialists invaded Austria, they burned Mises's library, and he had to flee to the USA. But here, you dare to call a Jewish victim of the Holocaust a Fascist. You truly are a deluded anti-Semite.
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"Also, the DVNP was headed by the arch capitalist Alfred Von Hugenburg who was also an antisemite and a future cabinet minister."
He was Chairman of the Krupp Steel Corporation. A Corporation is not an individual (private), and thus not capitalism (Private control of the means of production). A Corporation is a group ('corporate' literally means 'group': 'corpse', 'body', 'body of the people', or 'Public'). And collective 'Public' group control of the means of production is Socialism. That's why Marxists call for a Corporate State (they just call it a Syndicate State instead).
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"The funny thing is that his hero, Von Mises, was a supporter of Fascism..."
Mises was also Jewish and practiced Judaism. So, apparently I'm an anti-semite, who's hero is also Jewish?
And where exactly does Mises support Fascism? In his book "Socialism", he has an entire section where he destroys the Socialisms that are Fascism and National Socialism.
In fact, you hate Mises because he was Jewish, and as your hero (Karl Marx) says: “We discern in Judaism… a universal antisocial element of the present time.” - Karl Marx, “On the Jewish Question”.
So Marx says that the Jews are anti-Socialist and that's why they must be destroyed: "The social emancipation of the Jew is the emancipation of society from Judaism.” - Karl Marx, “On the Jewish Question”.
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"Your video implied that the German Jews were all factory owners, which is a load of antisemitic BS."
This is a lie. You've literally made this up.
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"You also repeat this claim in this very comment "Socialism calls for the removal of the bourgeoisie/Jews from society."- equating Jews with bourgeoisie."
Karl Marx literally says this himself. I've given you the quotes. You believe this because YOU believe in Socialism. I don't believe that all Capitalists are Jewish, or that their products are "inwardly circumcised Jews" (Marx, “Das Kapital V1,” P107.)
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And your quote from Engels doesn't say much. Engels himself praised Marx's 'Herr Vogt', saying it was better than the Eighteenth Brumaire https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/newspape/ni/vol10/no08/marx.htm Well, Marx's 'Herr Vogt' also includes a passage where he says the editor of the Telegraph has a Jewish nose -
“The Weekly Mail maintains that although Levy really fools no one, he has changed "i" into "y", and it is true that among the 22,000 Levites whom Moses counted in the journey through the wilderness, there was not a single Levi who spelled his name with a "y". Just as Edouard Simon spares no effort to be regarded as belonging to the Romance people, so Levy is determined to be an Anglo-Saxon. Therefore, at least once a month he attacks the un-English policies of Mr. Disraeli, for Disraeli, "the Asiatic mystery", is, unlike the Telegraph, not an Anglo-Saxon by descent. But what does it profit Levy to attack Mr. D'Israeli and to change "i" into "y", when Mother Nature has inscribed his origins in the clearest possible way right in the middle of his face. The nose of the mysterious stranger of Slawkenbergius (see Tristram Shandy) who had got the finest nose from the promontory of noses was just a nine days' wonder in Strasbourg, whereas Levy's nose provides conversation throughout the year in the City of London.” - Karl Marx, Herr Vogt (1860). http://marxengels.public-archive.net/en/ME1916en.html
So Engels is praising Marx's anti-Semitism, as shown above.
But Engels is also doing more than that. He's saying that Karl Marx was Jewish. He's not correct. Karl Marx never practiced Judaism. He was 'ethnically' Jewish, but he wasn't Jewish in faith. Thus, this is irrelevant, since Karl Marx was religiously anti-Semitic.
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"You also completely ignored the fact, in your video, that only rightwing parties adopted anti jewish provisions in the 19th + 20th centuries- see the DVNP in Germany."
No they didn't. Here's my political compass https://images.app.goo.gl/oiW7t66hhsjipS8P6 Fascism/National Socialism, and the DVNP (which was nationalist, and thus collectivist) were all Left-wing parties.
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"Funnily enough, I have watched the video. Which is... how I know you used him. Seriously, what even is this argument?"
Not true. All the anti-Semite Socialists in the comments and on Reddit were laughing at the 'fact' I've quoted from Sargon, but this was untrue. You've read them, and haven't watched the video.
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"You did use Sargon. You literally just admitted this entire fallacious response was worth nothing..."
I didn't "use" Sargon and I didn't "quote" Sargon. I referenced the three Socialists in his video. That's not the same thing.
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"First off, even assuming that each socialist in the video disagreed on literally everything, that's still anecdotal evidence. Three people will never represent an entire ideology, and it would be silly to assume they do."
See, this is what I'm talking about. I never said that. You're putting words into my mouth. To quote the typical postmodernist rhetoric, "you're building a strawman".
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"Now, if you were to bring a person representative of hitler's views in there, you'd find the socialists would disagree with them far more, and have less of those common ideological foundations and agreements."
Really? People calling for State control of the economy would have nothing in common with other people calling for State control of the economy? I see.
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"You do however stumble by not adding caveats to your final statement remarking that Hitler was a socialist. It is simply to broad a term to define something, and (as I'm sure you understand) can/will be interpreted as very offensive. Being compared to a mass-murderer will do that, we already have to deal with Stalin and Mao."
The reason I am an ex-Socialist is because I realized WHY Stalin, Mao, Lenin, Pol Pot, Hitler, and more, are all socialists. The doctrine of Socialism requires the use of FORCE to compel others to submit to the collective and work for the collective. This results in slavery, impoverishment, and death, which is why every socialist regime eventually collapses in on itself. The issue isn't the people - it's the ideology itself. It's fundamentally a justification of totalitarianism, and is good at convincing people that it is not about that at all.
Now, that statement isn't designed to be 'offensive'. It's designed to make you understand. This is not an attack against socialists - it's an attack against socialism itself. You're correct that 14 year olds coming across my videos may get upset, but they'd get upset regardless of how I present this. The assumption has always been that Socialism is great and moral. It turns out that it is not.
(I don't have time right now to address all your points, but I wanted to respond to this one in particular)
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I didn't mistate it, I just showed its very obvious flaws. If someone digs a hole and finds a box with a diamond in it (or some old gold coins, or anything), then the diamond would be valueless under the Labour Theory of Value. The theory doesn't apply to an item found on the floor, or a second hand book, or anything rare or valuable that doesn't take much time to make. It cannot explain fads (e.g. everyone wants yoyos all of a sudden, so the price of yoyos goes up in value, which the Labour Theory of Value can't explain).
You even said it yourself: what makes diamonds valuable is their rarity, not the Labour that goes into making them (in fact, diamonds are not rare, but the market is cornered, limiting supply, which makes them expensive, proving that the Labour Theory of Value wrong again).
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"Its hilarious isn't it? He calls us antisemites when he constantly claims that Jews=bourgeoise..which is not only extremely wrong but also extremely anti-Semitic."
Historically, because of old-fashioned anti-semitism, the Jews were forced by Christians into towns (boroughs) because they weren't allowed to own land in Christian Europe. They resorted to practicing usury (charging interest on loans), which was banned by the Pope, so only they could do that. This is why they became known as the "bourgeoisie" (townsfolk who were the "money-changers", to quote Karl Marx). I've explained this and given sources regarding this here https://youtu.be/rZh01xRO_Qg
So me pointing out that old-fashioned anti-semitism like I'm doing, isn't anti-semitic. Denying the old fashioned anti-semitism that caused the Jews to become the bourgeoisie, and then calling for the Revolution against the bourgeiosie, is anti-semitic. Thus, it is you who is being anti-semitic, Marxist.
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"I thought Slater asked for a Marx quotation, not a quotation from the youtuber "Nicolas Caous"."
To quote Karl Marx from the Communist Manifesto:
"We have seen above, that the first step in the revolution by the working class is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling class to win the battle of democracy. The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State..."
"The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communistic revolution."
"If, in the end, the oppressed proletariat is thus driven into a revolution, then we will defend the cause of the proletariat just as well by our deeds as now by our words."
"But not only has the bourgeoisie forged the weapons that bring death to itself; it has also called into existence the men who are to wield those weapons – the modern working class – the proletarians."
So, the modern working class has the weapons that will bring death to the bourgeoisie, and it's a battle, to forcefully overthrow the existing trembling bourgeois class, wresting from them their private property, by "deeds", not just by words. And considering that every revolution up until Hitler's revolution in 1933 had been violent, it's pretty clear what Karl Marx was on about when he called on the workers of the world to unite and rise up against the bourgeoisie in a violent revolution.
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Alright palette - I've already beaten down your awful counter argument. So I'll take down Barry's now.
"Hitler had enlisted support from wealthy industrialists who sought to pursue avowedly anti-socialist policies."
This is a myth. Even Richard Evans who thinks Hitler wasn't a socialist makes quite clear in The Coming of the Third Reich that the "wealthy industrialists" didn't support Hitler until he was practically in power. Most of Hitler's support came from the working class.
"Hitler allied himself with leaders of German conservative and nationalist movements,"
Yes, but only to get in power. Once he'd seized the reigns, he got rid of the conservative and capitalist elements (e.g. von Papen) after the Night of the Long Knives. You would have realized this if you had watched the video.
"Within two months Hitler achieved full dictatorial power through the Enabling Act. In April 1933 communists, socialists, democrats, and Jews were purged from the German civil service, and trade unions were outlawed the following month."
Yes, and as part of that Act, he also abolished private property. Trade Unions weren't outlawed - they had to be consolidated (nationalized) into the state trade union - the DAF. Again, I explained this in the video which you didn't watch.
"and prominent members of the German Communist Party and the Social Democratic Party were arrested and imprisoned in concentration camps."
Because they were his enemies. Hitler was a Socialist, not a Communist or a Marxist like these parties were. You would have realized that this argument wouldn't work, if you'd watched the video.
"Lest there be any remaining questions about the political character of the Nazi revolution, Hitler ordered the murder of Gregor Strasser, an act that was carried out on June 30, 1934, during the Night of the Long Knives."
As I said, Hitler also arrested von Papen and killed his associates, all of which were capitalists. By the same logic that says killing a socialist makes Hitler not a socialist, then Hitler isn't a capitalist either. Also, Strasser was male, so by your logic, if Hitler kills a male he cannot be male. Again if you'd watched the video, you would have known that this argument had already been shot down by me.
"Why do you assume that I haven't watched it?"
Because you wouldn't have copied and posted a quote from an online source which doesn't actually stand up to any of the arguments presented in the video, and who's own arguments were completely destroyed by me in the video. Hence the title of the video "Destroying the Denialist Counter Arguments".
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Once the empirical fact of the definition of Socialism is confirmed as State control, your other "facts" also fail to hold up. As but one example, you say that Hitler privatized businesses. I also believed this to be the case... until I did my homework. Turns out that this is totally false, and it's Marxist propaganda. The Marxists claimed that Hitler privatized businesses in order to say he was a Capitalist, and thus bad. In reality Hitler nationalized businesses in a process they called "Synchronization". And if you do decide to watch this video, you will see that I provide plenty of evidence that supports what I'm saying. In fact, in this video I address every point you brought up in your last comment. You just need to suspend your disbelief and give this video a chance. In 5 hours you'll either accept that Hitler was a Socialist, or, assuming you still don't agree, you'll learn a lot of things you didn't know beforehand, because this video is jammed packed full of facts about the Third Reich and National Socialist ideology.
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I fully agree with OP, Aiden and wannabchomsky are a disgrace. I don't mind people disagreeing with me or anyone else, but there's no need to resort to abuse, harassment, lies and slander. History is about debate, and you can't have a debate with these two. Their comments are just a soup of meaningless words, senseless slogans and pointless insults. They're only here to laugh at other commenters as a way to overcome their personal inadequacies as human beings.
And my agenda is to tell accurate history, rather than just make it up like the Marxist-Socialists do. YouTube may not currently be a place for academic rigor, but it could be. The comments are usually very decent in most of my videos. Thanks largely to these two thoughtless hypocrites, this comment section is a rare exception.
There are no "probabilities" when it comes to history. Either an argument is right or wrong. Just because I didn't publish this in a censorship (peer review) journal doesn't mean it's more likely to be wrong.
Academia is run by the State - student loans come from the State, it's regulated by the State, and the university rewards you with a State-sanctioned degree. Thus, since academics receive their money from the taxpayer, it makes sense why they'd ignore the Austrian School of Economics and just continue to brainwash people (myself included) with the pro-Socialist pro-State narrative.
Academia and the Lamestream didn't predict this current recession. The Austrians did. The Lamestream can't see what's coming next. The Austrians can. Why? Because they actually understand basic economics. And it's not hard to grasp either. All you have to do is let go of the notion that "academics" from State universities are somehow smarter than everyone else. Once you realise that they hold deeply flawed beliefs and are actually in an economic bubble that will soon pop (just like all State created economic bubbles) then you can begin to take non-Statists seriously.
Incidentally, I didn't invent the definitions. I went back to the original historical sources and the dictionaries and used those definitions. It's the Statists who have redefined things - because they're postmodernists. For example, they've redefined "inflation" https://youtu.be/K0VKzNtZupA
When I point out the original and historical definitions, which even the dictionaries confirm, apparently this means I'm "inventing" definitions. When Marxists do it, it's alright though. What a joke.
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I didn't say Google and Amazon are necessarily part of the central state. What I'm saying is that they are public bodies in themselves, and thus are states within themselves. There can be multiple states/societies within one society, just like there can be multiple villages within a town.
Shareholders publicly own the company. It is, therefore, publicly owned.
I would also argue that these corporations (corpse, organ, "organs of the state") are owned and controlled by the central state, since the central bank is directly or indirectly funding them, granting special privileges, and is controlling them through regulations, wage controls, prices controls, "laws" etc.
I would highly recommend that you watch my Public vs Private video. I think it will clarify a lot of this for you https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
And I'm tired of being respectful when a lot of my critics haven't taken the time to either watch my videos, or understand my points. My biggest regret was not putting the Public vs Private video in this video because that would have shot down most of the remaining criticism, but I stupidly believed people would be reasonable and actually go look that up. I was wrong.
In addition, if you read back your comments you'll find that you're making an emotional response to empirical data. That's why you're telling me to be more respectful, and calling me arrogant. All this is irrelevant.
In fact, your entire argument is irrelevant. Let's say that you're right - let's say that socialism is great and glorious (which it isn't, but let's say it is). Fine. But Hitler's still a Socialist.
Let's say that Socialism actually works, and doesn't deliberately hurt the poor and middle class for the benefit of the rich and powerful that it claims to be fighting... Fine. But Hitler's still a Socialist.
Let's say that Amazon and Google are bad and evil and Capitalism is bad, even though it's the most successful economic model in human history and has pulled billions out of poverty for the first time ever... Fine. Hitler's still a Socialist.
Again, you're arguing from an emotional standpoint. And I get why. When I was a Socialist, I probably would have argued the same, because I never understood why anyone would be a capitalist - I believed that all Capitalists were either secret racists or Nazis, and that capitalism was wrong and bad for the poor. I now see that I had been lied to, and that I was completely incorrect. It turns out that the reason the Left can't find Nazis to punch is because they're not looking hard enough in the mirror.
I would encourage you to put your emotions to one side, and look at this more objectively. What does the evidence say? What is the definition of Socialism? (See the Public vs Private video for that) What do capitalists say about capitalism? How do they see the world? I would seriously encourage you to do your homework on these things because you're going to be shocked by the answers.
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I have responded to all those points before. I'm sick of explaining the same points over and over. For example, replacing a governing party is not the same as removing the government itself. So democracy is authoritarian. That's why Hitler was pro-democracy https://youtu.be/_-lznzuPK8I
Definitions do change because of ignorance, but that doesn't change the fundamental core of the idea of Socialism. It's still 'public' ownership, even if you change that to 'worker' or 'race' or 'gender'... all those are just 'groups:, and therefore 'publics'. And all them meant the same thing - the State https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
But honestly, I simply don't have time to waste answering every single message, especially when I've addressed a lot of these criticisms in other comments or other videos. Perhaps, rather than asking me the questions, you search for answers yourself. In addition to the two videos I linked too, I'd recommend three books: "Economics in One Lesson" by Henry Hazlitt, "Basic Economics" by Thomas Sowell and "America's Great Depression" by Murray Rothbard. They will get you thinking.
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I'm not a conservative, so I'm certainly not giving a conservative's appraisal of capitalism since conservatives don't like capitalism. As I have explained, back in the mid-1800s, the conservatives were the old Left-wing. It was the old-Liberal right wing that shifted radically to the Left after embracing socialism. The conservative elements are on the Left, which is why they embrace racism, just like the Marxists and the National Socialists.
And I HAVE discussed Umberto Echo's Ur-Fascism as part of my video defining Fascism https://youtu.be/qdY_IMZH2Ko Because of his ideological agenda, Umberto got the whole thing wrong, as I explained in the video. It is absolutely not "the best academic source" on the topic. I would go so far as to say it's a complete distortion of history. The facts, as presented in my linked video, speak for themselves.
The issue here is that you are assuming I'm wrong without having actually listed to me. Your eyes and ears may have been open as some of my videos on this topic played, but you weren't ready to absorb the reality of what was being said. I'm going to ask that you take what I'm saying more seriously, and that you to watch these videos properly in this order -
Getting OWNED over Hitler's Socialism https://youtu.be/8rWnuuEN024
Public vs Private | The Historic Definitions of Socialism & Capitalism https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
Karl Marx's Anti-Semitism https://youtu.be/rZh01xRO_Qg
Hitler's Socialism | Destroying the Denialist Counter Arguments https://youtu.be/eCkyWBPaTC8
FASCISM DEFINED | The Difference between Fascism and National Socialism https://youtu.be/qdY_IMZH2Ko
Suspend your disbelief and listen to the hard evidence.
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My audience is not "mostly conservative" - it's a mixture of all audiences, which is why the "stick to tanks" crowd exist. I've constantly made counter-arguments in the comments, and most of my videos are crafted to answer the most pressing concerns (especially those that are not Patreon questions). You're correct that I don't "discuss" topics with other people in my videos, but that's because a debate is not the same thing as a "discussion".
A live-stream between two opposing sides, for example, is a "discussion" (or, more usually, an argument or confrontation) where the people with the quickest rebuttals and more impressive slogans win. This is where the "whataboutthis" crowd come to play, along with the "itsaysthisonwikipedia" crowd, who are normally the same people.
A debate requires someone crafting an argument backed by evidence and solid interpretation and presenting that in the form of text, audio, or video, for others to then consider the stance and offer up another crafted argument with their evidence and interpretation. This has only occurred a handful of times (e.g. with Nigel Askey), but it does occur. My 5 hour Hitler's Socialism video, for example, was a rebuttal to people like FinnishBolshevik, many commenters, and the writers of posts on Reddit and elsewhere.
Since history lies in the heart of the debate, rather than in the pointlessness of a heated exchange, I won't engage the arguments of political ideologues who's sole purpose is to win emotional leverage by accusing me of being [insert bad names here]. The few times I have done this (e.g. the "Getting OWNED over Hitler's Socialism" video) my viewers have complained that I'm doing little more than waste my time.
Bottom line: this is an intellectual debate, which requires in-depth discussion and deliberation over the evidence in order to find the truth. If both parties are not honestly trying to get to the truth, or if one side wants to score social points over the other, it's no longer a debate, but a pointless confrontation.
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So, you're an individual, not a collective. Sharing the same interests with other people is not collectivism. Collectivism is the idea that you (the individual) must destroy your Self (destroy your individuality) and be subservient to the collective at all times. Upon destroying yourself, the collective gains a spiritual consciousness (it becomes God), and gets to dictate what you can and cannot do.
You cannot be both an individual and a collective. And hanging out with other people doesn't mean you, yourself, become a group. You're an individual with other individuals. You've not wiped out your own individuality to become the group, therefore you're not a group. A bunch of individuals are just a bunch of individuals, they don't morph into one body, and thus are separate. So groups do not exist, only individuals.
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Three socialists define socialism at 1h 35m into this debate here https://youtu.be/z6gB3gA9UZg
The first socialist is Xexizy (who admits there’s all different definitions of socialism) defines socialism as 1. the abolition of production for exchange, 2. worker ownership of the means of production (democratically and collectively), 3. worker control of the state’s apparatus (media, police force). Worker’s state essentially. He lists the Paris Commune, Catalonia, German and Hungarian communes (1918-1919) as socialism. He says that the Soviet Union wasn’t socialist, but says it was a socialist-revolution.
The second socialist is Badmouse who doesn’t actually define it, but doesn’t disagree with the others, and later on in his closing statement (3h 47m) does say workers control of the means of production. He says Venezuela wasn’t socialist. At around 3hs in, he does define capitalism as the private ownership of the means of production.
The third socialist is Finnish Bolshevik defines socialism as (and he says the classic Marxist definition is) the collective ownership of the means of production. He lists the Soviet Union, China, Eastern European Countries, Cuba as all socialist countries (contradicting Xexizy).
‘Democratic socialism’ as defined by Bernie Sanders was “anti-individualism” - implying a ‘collective’ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQs_lmpQh6Q
“When a population collectively owns and controls the means of production, and distributes the end result proportionally. In practice however, control is usually delegated to the state...” by NowThisWorld https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBYmeLBWjeI
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“Socialism, social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources. According to the socialist view, individuals do not live or work in isolation but live in cooperation with one another. Furthermore, everything that people produce is in some sense a social product, and everyone who contributes to the production of a good is entitled to a share in it. Society as a whole, therefore, should own or at least control property for the benefit of all its members.
“This conviction puts socialism in opposition to capitalism, which is based on private ownership of the means of production and allows individual choices in a free market to determine how goods and services are distributed. Socialists complain that capitalism necessarily leads to unfair and exploitative concentrations of wealth and power in the hands of the relative few who emerge victorious from free-market competition—people who then use their wealth and power to reinforce their dominance in society. Because such people are rich, they may choose where and how to live, and their choices in turn limit the options of the poor. As a result, terms such as individual freedom and equality of opportunity may be meaningful for capitalists but can only ring hollow for working people, who must do the capitalists’ bidding if they are to survive. As socialists see it, true freedom and true equality require social control of the resources that provide the basis for prosperity in any society. Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels made this point in Manifesto of the Communist Party (1848) when they proclaimed that in a socialist society “the condition for the free development of each is the free development of all.
“This fundamental conviction nevertheless leaves room for socialists to disagree among themselves with regard to two key points. The first concerns the extent and the kind of property that society should own or control. Some socialists have thought that almost everything except personal items such as clothing should be public property; this is true, for example, of the society envisioned by the English humanist Sir Thomas More in his Utopia (1516). Other socialists, however, have been willing to accept or even welcome private ownership of farms, shops, and other small or medium-sized businesses.
“The second disagreement concerns the way in which society is to exercise its control of property and other resources. In this case the main camps consist of loosely defined groups of centralists and decentralists. On the centralist side are socialists who want to invest public control of property in some central authority, such as the state—or the state under the guidance of a political party, as was the case in the Soviet Union. Those in the decentralist camp believe that decisions about the use of public property and resources should be made at the local, or lowest-possible, level by the people who will be most directly affected by those decisions. This conflict has persisted throughout the history of socialism as a political movement”https://www.britannica.com/topic/socialism
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"I think your definition of "socialism" is one-dimensional and overly simplified, which does not accurately reflects the complex meaning that this term represents in 20th century politically and economically."
But this is the definition. Let's see what many different sources say -
“any economic or political system based on government ownership and control of important businesses and methods of production” “an economic, political, and social system that is based on the belief that all people are equal and should share equally in a country's money:” https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/socialism
“1. any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods” “2. a system of society or group living in which there is no private property” “b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state” “: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done” https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism
“Socialism is a set of left-wing political principles whose general aim is to create a system in which everyone has an equal opportunity to benefit from a country's wealth. Under socialism, the country's main industries are usually owned by the state.” “1. an economic theory or system in which the means of production, distribution, and exchange are owned by the community collectively, usually through the state. It is characterized by production for use rather than profit, by equality of individual wealth, by the absence of competitive economic activity, and, usually, by government determination of investment, prices, and production levels” “2. any of various social or political theories or movements in which the common welfare is to be achieved through the establishment of a socialist economic system” “3. (in Leninist theory) a transitional stage after the proletarian revolution in the development of a society from capitalism to communism: characterized by the distribution of income according to work rather than need”https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/socialism
“1 A political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.” “The term ‘socialism’ has been used to describe positions as far apart as anarchism, Soviet state Communism, and social democracy; however, it necessarily implies an opposition to the untrammelled workings of the economic market. The socialist parties that have arisen in most European countries from the late 19th century have generally tended towards social democracy” https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/socialism
“An economic system in which goods and services are provided through a central system of cooperative and/or government ownership rather than through competition and a free market system.”http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/socialism.html
“Socialism started out being defined as “government ownership of the means of production,” which is why the government of the Soviet Union confiscated all businesses, factories, and farms, murdering millions of dissenters and resistors in the process. It is also why socialist political parties in Europe, once in power, nationalized as many of the major industries (steel, automobiles, coal mines, electricity, telephone services) as they could. The Labour Party in post-World War II Great Britain would be an example of this.” - Dilorenzo, T. “The Problem with Socialism.” Regnery Publishing, Kindle 2016.
“The great majority of those I have asked, all of them qualified to speak with authority, not only give a definition, but their definitions come remarkably close together.” - “Socialism is the public ownership and operation of all the means of production.” - “Socialism ... is the collective ownership, through the state, of all the means of production and distribution.” “Socialism… is a proposed reorganization of industrial society which would substitute for the private ownership of land and the instruments of production public ownership, and for the private direction and management of industry, direction and management through public officials.” - “...the common ownership and operation of substantially all productive instruments.” - “Socialism is the collective ownership and democratic management of the social means of production for the common good.” - “Socialism… is that contemplated system of society which proposes the abolition of private property in the great material instruments of production, and the substitution therefor of collective property; and advocates the collective management of production, together with the distribution of social income by society, and private property in the larger proportion of this social income.” - [And this just goes on and on like this, with numerous people from 1911 saying the exact same thing.] From “The American Economic Review, Vol. 1, No. 2, Papers and Discussions of theTwenty-third Annual Meeting (Apr., 1911), pp. 347-354”
The Labour Party 2017 manifesto’s motto is “For the Many: Not the Few”. https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/labour-manifesto-2017.pdf On Page 4 states - “Labour will invest in the cutting-edge jobs and industries of the future that can improve everybody’s lives. Which is why this manifesto outlines a fully costed programme to upgrade our economy.” “Labour will change the law so that banks can’t close a branch where there is a clear local need, putting their customers first.” - which will increase costs and lower competition, P16. “Reinstate the lower small-business corporation tax rate” - decreasing the chance of small businesses and start-ups, creating an economy, P18. “Widening ownership of our economy” - is the headline on Page 19, stating “Many basic goods and services have been taken out of democratic control through privatisation.” “Bring private rail companies back into public ownership…” “Reverse the privatisation of Royal Mail at the earliest opportunity.” “Public ownership will benefit consumers [by increasing costs and prices, lowering productivity, and increasing taxes for the consumer?], ensuring that their interests are put first and that there is democratic accountability for the service.” That sounds exactly like state control and ownership of the economy.
Google’s definition of socialism - “a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.” And what is the community? ... the state.
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Yes, of course the New Deal, the NHS, nationalised pensions industries and businesses, price fixing, government economic regulation, social housing and social welfare is all state ownership or control of the economy (socialism). None of that is private ownership or control of the means of production, so it isn't capitalism.
And no, "state capitalism" is an oxymoron. Capitalism is about non-state control of the economy. If the state controls the economy, then that is socialism. It would be like saying "anarcho-socialism". Socialism is and requires the state, so zero-government socialism cannot exist.
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Ah, but he didn't let them be at all. As Tooze points out in "Wages of Destruction", by 1935 (if not earlier), the bureaucracy dominated every aspect of business, and dictated their actions. It wasn't "ownership" but "control" of the means of production. And as we know from Marx, Das Kapital volume 3 - "socialized man" (the class, or race, or gender or whatever) in "common control" of the means of production is socialism.
Highly recommend you read "The Vampire Economy", which you can get online for free in a pdf. The author was a Marxist-Socialist in hiding in Germany in 1939, and he's description of what was happening is very revealing about just how the private companies were completely subdued by the state. In fact, private companies didn't even exist, since private property had been abolished in the Reichstag Fire Decree of 1933.
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"History is wrong" "Soviet socialism was indeed not socialism"
Unfortunately, history bows to reality, and doesn't bow to ideology. It was socialism, and history is not wrong. History is what happened. You can't rewrite the past to suit your political beliefs, it doesn't work that way.
"According to Your definition USA and GB are socialist countries, too."
Britain has a National Health Service, and had (from the 40's to the 80's) a significant amount of social (public) ownership. Then there was a backlash against it, and now Britain is slowly privatizing everything. The Post Office in Britain is now a private company.
But in the US the Postal Service is actually in social (public) ownership, as are many services. So, while I would not necessarily class these states as socialist now, I would say they have some socialist policies. Denying that a party (like the Labour Party) which wants to socialize the economy or society is socialist is simply denying the truth.
"Just try it."
Ok -
"Labour will learn from these experiences and bring key utilities back into public ownership to deliver lower prices, more accountability and a more sustainable economy." and "Public ownership will benefit consumers, ensuring that their interests are put first and that there is democratic accountability for the service." https://labour.org.uk/manifesto/creating-economy-works/#eighth They also want to renationalize the postal service.
One of their policies is literally called "Towards a National Education Service" https://labour.org.uk/manifesto/education/#first
"We will make the building of new homes, including council homes, a priority through our National Transformation Fund, as part of a joined-up industrial and skills strategy that ensures a vibrant construction sector with a skilled workforce and rights at work." https://labour.org.uk/manifesto/secure-homes-for-all/#first Social housing.
Oops! Looks like the Labour Party in the UK is socialist, just like the National Socialist German Workers Party and the Bolshevik Party in the Soviet Union were socialist too.
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True, there is propaganda being pushed by the Left about what these things are. And yes, individualism vs collectivism are probably good terms which I will use in future videos to address the distortions people are making in response to the points raised in this one, but the only reason the terms have become "fuzzy" with the definitions is because the Marxist-Postmodernists are trying to twist the words to suit their agenda. However these other terms do actually have historic and distinct definitions, and they are -
Markets : people, individuals. [A market is two people who trade. So do you want to have "Free Markets"/free people, or "planned economy"/non-free people?]
Means of production : people, individuals. [A factory/building cannot operate without a human, so humans are the means of production. Therefore do you want to control your own life, or have someone else control it?]
Capitalism : private control of the means of production. [private individual (you) control over your own life]
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Notice how the Left will change the terms of those above to hide the meaning of following -
Standard "Utopian" socialism : common-control of the means of production. [a group / other people / another authority controls your life - you're no longer free]
Marxist Socialism : class-control of the means of production. [the "workers" unions are in control, anyone else should be murdered]
National Socialism : race-control of the means of production. [the "Aryan" race should be in control, everyone else should be murdered]
Fascism : nationality-control of the means of production. [e.g. the "Americans" (nationality, not race) should be in control, everyone should be murdered]
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Some random Leftist terms that don't make sense -
State Capitalism : a contradiction in terms, since you cannot have non-free free individuals. Either the individual is free, or is controlled by the state. Capitalism is freedom from the state, so you cannot have state-controlled free-people.
Anarcho-syndicalism : a contradiction in terms, since if you have workers unions (or federalism etc) you cannot also have anarchy at the same time. This is actually based on a deliberate postmodernist revision and misquotation of Das Kapital Volume 3 (and yes, I checked the original German).
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I haven't read Ayn Rand, but I probably should. Do you recommend Atlas Shrugged, or is there a better book by her?
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"There is a socialist dimension to National Socialism, but that does not make it socialism - any more than the post war settlement in the UK (including acceptance of a mixed economy) amounted to socialism."
The Labour Party was (and is) socialist. It describes itself as "socialist". It implemented state ownership of the means of production, e.g. the National Health Service, National Pensions, National Insurance, Council (social) Housing, state benefits etc... These are all signs of state ownership and control of the economy, which is the very definition of socialism -
Socialism is the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). If it is the social (worker's state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy), then it's Marxism (which is what you think 'socialism' is). If it is the social (German/Aryan people's state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy), then it is National Socialism. Capitalism is the private (individual, non-state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy).
"I think the conclusions you draw here are not well argued or well informed. Your knowledge of socialism as an ideology and as practice could be better."
You are correct that they weren't well argued, but this was because this video was aimed at National Socialists, which was my biggest mistake. I assumed they didn't realise that they were socialists, but it turns out they do know that they're socialists. They're actually agreeing with me! It shouldn't have been to them that this video was aimed at, but towards the Marxists and others who, it seems, don't actually know what socialism is. Now I'm having to defend myself against Marxists who continue to believe there can only be one form of socialism - Marxism. This is not true. They also assume socialism is what "Marx said" it was. This is also untrue, since the idea of socialism came before Marx and also existed after him. But regardless of all that, to assume that I'm not well-informed is incorrect. Simply asking for more information, which I have provided you in response to your comment in the other video, would have been better than simply assuming I don't know what I'm talking about.
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"But the idea underlying Fascism is irreconcilably different from that which underlies Socialism. Socialism aims, ultimately, at a world-state of free and equal human beings. It takes the equality of human rights for granted. Nazism assumes just the opposite."
Untrue. Marxist Socialism aims at the destruction of the Jews/Bourgeoisie, as Marx made clear -
“We discern in Judaism… a universal antisocial element of the present time.” - Marx, On the Jewish Question.
“What is the worldly cult of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly god? Money… Money is the jealous god of Israel, beside which no other god may exist.” - Marx,On the Jewish Question.
“Christ drove the Jewish money-changers out of the temple, and that the money-changers of our age enlisted on the side of tyranny happen again to be Jews is perhaps no more than a historic coincidence.” - Marx, On the Jewish Question.
Karl Marx is saying here that the people who trade goods for money (in other words, capitalists) are Jewish, and are on the side of “tyranny”. Yes, the reason he hates capitalists is because he thinks they’re Jewish, and the reason he hates Jews is because he thinks they are capitalists. And he says this again in his last book, Das Kapital:
“The capitalist knows that all commodities, however scurvy they may look, or however badly they may smell, are in faith and in truth money, inwardly circumcised Jews, and what is more, a wonderful means whereby out of money to make more money.” - Marx, Das Kapital, P107.
Karl Marx has said that the products of the Capitalist are "inwardly circumcised Jews". In other words, the offsprings of the Capitalists are "inwardly circumcised Jews", because they Capitalists are Jewish.
But why did Marx believe that? Well, Marx believed that Capitalists were the bourgeoisie (boroughs, townfolk) who practiced Usury (lending of loans and charging interest). Since Usury was banned by the Pope in the Dark Ages, and since Jews were not allowed to own land in Christian Europe, they were forced to live in towns and became "money changers". So, for Karl Marx, the bourgeoisie were the Jews. This was why the offspring of the bourgeoisie were "inwardly circumcised Jews".
And what did Karl Marx call for? Oh yes, that's right - REAL Socialism:
“As soon as society succeeds in abolishing the empirical essence of Judaism - huckstering and its conditions - the Jew becomes impossible, because his consciousness no longer has an object… The social emancipation of the Jew is the emancipation of society from Judaism.” - Marx, On the Jewish Question.
Karl Marx was calling for the removal of the Jews/Capitalists from Society. This will allow him to usher in Socialism.
ALL SOCIALISM IS ANTI-SEMITISM.
That is why, when I realized that Hitler was a Socialist, I realized the true nature of Socialism and what it was really calling for.
See my more updated video on Hitler's Socialism https://youtu.be/eCkyWBPaTC8
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Except, state control is socialism. Socialism is -
"_socialised man_, the associated producers, rationally regulating their interchange with Nature, bringing it under their _common control_, instead of being ruled by it as by the blind forces of Nature;" - Marx, Das Kapital volume 3.
Hitler didn't cooperate with industrialists, his party owned and controlled them from within. As Adam Tooze and Gunter Reiman make clear (just to name a few), private property was abolished, and the bureaucracy was in every business, dictating every move. Wage controls, price controls, state unions, state holidays, state quotas... the state was in absolute control of the economy.
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"...in practice the Reichsbank and the Reich Ministry of Economic Affairs had no intention of allowing the radical activists of the SA, the shopfloor militants of the Nazi party or Gauleiter commissioners to dictate the course of events. Under the slogan of the 'strong state', the ministerial bureaucracy fashioned a new national structure of economic regulation." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112
“We worked and governed with incredible elan. We really ruled. For the bureaucrats of the Ministry the contrast to the Weimar Republic was stark. Party chatter in the Reichstag was no longer heard. The language of the bureaucracy was rid of the paralysing formula: technically right but politically impossible.” - Schacht, speaking of the situation after 1933. Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112-113
"It would be absurd to deny the reality of this shift. The crisis of corporate capitalism in the course of the Great Depression did permanently alter the balance of power. Never again was big business to influence the course of government in German as directly as it did between the outbreak of World War I in 1914 and the onset of the Depression in 1929. The Reich's economic administration, for its part, accumulated unprecedented powers of national economic control." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P113
“Control over domestic resources was paralleled by centralized control over imports. Both countries [Nazi and Soviet] controlled and restricted international trade.” Temin, P580
"Both governments reorganized industry into larger units, ostensibly to increase state control over economic activity. The Nazis reorganized industry into 13 administrative groups with a large number of subgroups to create a private hierarchy for state control. The state therefore could direct the firms’ activities without acquiring direct ownership of enterprises. The pre-existing tendency to form cartels was encouraged to eliminate competition that would destabilize prices.” Temin, P582-583
“The Soviets had made a similar move in the 1920s. Faced with a scarcity of administrative personnel, the state encouraged enterprises to combine into trusts and trusts to combine into syndicates. These large units continued into the 1930s where they were utilized to bridge the gap between overall plans and actual production.” Temin, P583
"“... this difference was not important to many decisions. The incentives for managers - both positive and negative - were very similar in the two countries. Consequently, their responses to the [Four or Five Year] plans were also similar. In neither case did the managers set the goals of the plans.” Temin, P590-591
“Like Hitler, Backe saw the mission of National Socialism as being the supersession of the rotten rule of the bourgeoisie. Far from being impractical, Backe’s ideology provided a grand historical rationale for the extreme protectionism already implemented by the nationalist agrarians. Far from being backward looking, Backe’s vision assigned to National Socialism the mission of achieving a reconciliations of the unresolved contradictions of nineteenth-century liberalism. It was not National Socialism but the Victorian ideology of the free market that was the outdated relic of a bygone era. After the economic disasters of the early 1930s there was no good reason to cling to such a dangerous archaic doctrine. The future belonged to a new system of economic organization capable of ensuring both the security of the national food supply and the maintenance of a healthy farming community as the source of racial vitality.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P174
[Tooze's Wages of Destruction P179-180] Because Germany didn’t have enough land to feed her population, both Backe and Hitler (and others) wanted to expand eastwards. The local populations were to be impacted by German ‘rearrangement’. “Those left in place were to serve as slave labour on German settler farms. The SS was to be the sword and shield of this settler movement.”
On the 26th of September 1933, Darré and Backe created the “Erbhof” law. [Tooze's Wages of Destruction P182]
“For the purpose of protecting the peasantry as the ‘Blood Source of the German People’, the law proposed to create a new category of farm, the Erbhof (hereditary farm), protected by debt, insulated from market forces and passed down from generation to generation within racially pure peasant families. The law applied to all farms that were sufficient in size to provide a German family with an adequate standard of living (an Achernahrung, later defined as a minimum of c. 7.5 hectares), but did not exceed 125 hectares.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P182
“The term ‘peasant’ (Bauer) was henceforth defined as an honorary title, reserved for those registered on the Role. Those not entered in the Erbhofrolle were henceforth to be referred to merely as ‘farmers’ (Landwirte). Entry in the Rolle protected the Erbhof for ever against the nightmare of repossession. By the same token, it also imposed constraints. Erbhoefe could not be sold. Nor could they be used as security against mortgages. Farms registered as Erbhoefe were thus removed from the free disposal of their immediate owners. Regardless of existing arrangements between spouses, Erbhoefe were to have a single, preferably male, owner who was required to document his line of descent, at least as far back as 1800, the same requirements as for civil servants. ‘Peasants’ were to be of German or ‘similar stock’ (Stammesgleich), a provision that excluded Jews, or anyone of partial Jewish descent.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P182-183
“The line of inheritance was now fixed in law.” P183 [clearly not free-market capitalism]
“Coupled with this extraordinary intervention in the property rights of German peasants was an equally drastic programme of debt reduction. Backe and Darré proposed that the Erbhof farmers should assume collective responsibility for each other’s debts. The debts of all Erbhoefe, variously estimated at between 6 and 9 billion Reichsmarks, were to be transferred to the Rentenbank Kreditanstalt, a state-sponsored mortgage bank. The Rentenbank would repay the original creditors with interest ranging between 2 and 4 per cent depending on the security of the original loan. ” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P183 [no more personal debt for these farmers, but collective debt]
Hitler approved of this plan, despite opposition from Junkers, some peasants and Schacht (as well as others). He then decided that it would go through, after negotiations. P184. Unfortunately for Darré and Schacht, they had to shelve the debt-relief idea and come up with a compromise ‘grant’ scheme instead for peasants who were in debt. P185 They also had to relax the inheritance elements of the law to appease the peasants. P185-186 Rate of enrollment for those farms that fitted the bill was high. It wasn’t enough to ‘transform the structure of land ownership in Germany.” P186 But it did have an impact. “It consolidated a group of farms whose average size nationally was just less than 20 hectares, a figure that was soon to be defined as the ideal size for efficient family farming in the new order of German agriculture.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P186
“The second fundamental step taken by Darré and Backe in the autumn of 1933 was the organization of the Reichsnaehrstand (RNS). It is not too much to say that the setting up of this organization and its associated system of price and production controls marked the end of the free market for agricultural produce in Germany. Agriculture and food production, which until the mid-nineteenth century had been overwhelmingly [-P187] the most important part of the German economy and which still in the 1930s constituted a very significant element of national product, were removed from the influence of market forces. As Backe clearly articulated even before 1933, the mechanism of price-setting was the key. The RNS made use of prices to regulate production.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P186-187
Therefore, what we have here is a planned socialist economy, not capitalism.
Sources -
Temin, P. “Soviet and Nazi Economic Planning in the 1930s.” From The Economic History Review, New Series, Vol. 44, No. 4 (Nov., 1991), pp. 573-593 (21 pages). Jstor. https://www.jstor.org/stable/2597802?seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents
Tooze, A. “Wages of Destruction: The Making & Breaking of The Nazi Economy.” Penguin Books, 2007.
Reimann, G. “The Vampire Economy: Doing Business under Fascism.” Kindle, Mises Institute, 2007. Originally written in 1939.
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28 February 1933 -
Order of the Reich President for the Protection of People and State
On the basis of Article 48 paragraph 2 of the Constitution of the German Reich, the following is ordered in defense against Communist state-endangering acts of violence:
§ 1. Articles 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124 and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. It is therefore permissible to restrict the rights of personal freedom [habeas c
Articles of the Weimar Constitution affected -
Article 115.
The dwelling of every German is his sanctuary and is inviolable. Exceptions may be imposed only by authority of law.
Article 153.
Property shall be guaranteed by the constitution. Its nature and limits shall be prescribed by law.
Expropriation [noun, the action by the state or an authority of taking property from its owner for public use or benefit.] shall take place only for the general good and only on the basis of law. It shall be accompanied by payment of just compensation unless otherwise provided by national law. In case of dispute over the amount of compensation recourse to the ordinary courts shall be permitted, unless otherwise provided by national law. Expropriation by the Reich over against the states, municipalities, and associations serving the public welfare may take place only upon the payment of compensation.
Property imposes obligations. Its use by its owner shall at the same time serve the public good.
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By law, individuals couldn't own property. Therefore, they cannot own businesses. The 'privatization' that took place, in fact, is a slight of hand. And there are many instances where the government exercised their power by seizing a person's personal property or businesses. The Nazis nationalized industries that didn't do as they insisted, then 're-privatized' them. But in reality those businesses could only function as part of the state, and were under control by the state, and weren't really owned by their owners.
"The Nazis viewed private property as conditional on its use - not as a fundamental right. If the property was not being used to further Nazi goals, it could be nationalized.” Temin, P576
“Prof. Junkers of the Junkers aeroplane factory refused to follow the government’s bidding in 1934. The Nazis thereupon took over the plant, compensating Junkers for his loss. This was the context in which other contracts were negotiated.” Temin, P576-577
“Manufacturers in Germany were panic-stricken when they heard of the experiences of some industrialists who were more or less expropriated [had their property seized] by the State. These industrialists were visited by State auditors who had strict orders to “examine” the balance sheets and all bookkeeping entries of the company (or individual businessman) for the preceding two, three, or more years until some error or false entry was found. The slightest formal mistake was punished with tremendous penalties. A fine of millions of marks was imposed for a single bookkeeping error. Obviously, the examination of the books was simply a pretext for partial expropriation of the private capitalist with a view to complete expropriation and seizure of the desired property later. The owner of the property was helpless, since under fascism there is no longer an independent judiciary that protects the property rights of private citizens against the state. The authoritarian State has made it a principle that private property is no longer sacred.” - Reimann, Chapter II (no page number, as on Kindle)
Reimann, in 1939, quotes from a German businessman’s letter to an American businessman -
“The difference between this and the Russian system is much less than you think, despite the fact that officially we are still independent businessmen.” “Some businessmen have even started studying Marxist theories, so that they will have a better understanding of the present economic system.” “How can we possibly manage a firm according to business principles if it is impossible to make any predictions as to the prices at which goods are to be bought and sold? We are completely dependent on arbitrary Government decisions concerning quantity, quality and prices for foreign raw materials.” “You cannot imagine how taxation has increased. Yet everyone is afraid to complain about it. The new State loans are nothing but confiscation of private property, because no one believed that the Government will ever make repayment, nor even pay interest after the first few years.” “We businessmen still make sufficient profit, sometimes even large profits, but we never know how much we are going to be able to keep…”
“The decree of February 28, 1933, nullified article 153 of the Weimar Constitution which guaranteed private property and restricted interference with private property in accordance with certain legally defined conditions … The conception of property has experienced a fundamental change. The individualistic conception of the State - a result of the liberal spirit - must give way to the concept that communal welfare precedes individual welfare. (Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz).” - Reimann, quoting from Jahrbuch des Oeffentlichen Rechtes der Gegenward, ed. by Otto Koellreuther (1935), p. 267.
“The government of a totalitarian State would not be “authoritarian” if the courts still functioned independently, as they do under liberal capitalism.” “The division of power between the executive or legislative branch on the one hand and the judicial branch on the other was formerly a guarantee to the owner of private property that his property rights would be protected even against his own government. The totalitarian State, in abolishing this separation of power, abolishes the sanctity of private property, which thereupon ceases to be a basic principle of society fundamental to State morality.” “Constitutionally the businessman still enjoys guarantees of property rights. But what is the value of such constitutional guarantees without courts that dare to defy the omnipotent bureaucracy or to enforce laws that are “out of date”?” - Reimann.
“There exists no law which binds the State. The State can do what it regards as necessary, because it has the authority.” “The next stage of National-Socialist economic policy consists of replacing capitalist laws by policy.” - Fritz Nonnenbruch, the financial editor of the Voelkischer Beobachter (quoted by Reimann).
National interests are - “made mainly by the Nazi party, or, rather, by its leaders, that is, by the State bureaucracy. It is a principle that only Party members shall occupy key positions in the government and in all organizations where the State influences the distribution of jobs. They must be engaged whenever there is a choice between the Party member and non-Party member.” - Reimann.
“The influence of the Party cannot be seen in laws, but in practice, and personalities are the important factor. A large number of the ministers [at present all ministers] are Party members.” - Ministerialdirektor Sommer, spokesman for Rudolph Hess, in the Deutsche Juristenzeitung of May 21, 1936.
“The capitalist under fascism has to be not merely a law-abiding citizen, he must be servile to the representatives of the State. He must not insist on “rights” and must not behave as if his private property rights were still sacred. He should be grateful to the Fuehrer that he still has private property.” “This state of affairs must lead to the final collapse of business morale, and sound the death knell of the self-respect and self-reliance which marked the independent businessman under liberal capitalism.” - Reimann
“The life of the German businessman is full of contradictions. He cordially dislikes the gigantic, top-heavy, bureaucratic State machine which is strangling his economic independence. Yet he needs the aid of these despised bureaucrats more and more, and is forced to run after them, begging for concessions, privileges, grants, in fear that his competitor will gain the advantage.” - Reimann
“Such a system also changes the psychology of businessmen. Their experiences teach them that the old right of property no longer exists. They find themselves compelled to respect the “national interest” or the “welfare of the community.”” “Businessmen must claim that everything they do, any new business for which they want a certificate, any preferment in the supply of raw materials, etc., is “in the interest of the national community.”” - Reimann
Schacht centralized and heavily regulated the electricity production industry, which then sparked a new plan of economic administration. This was all in 1935. [Tooze's Wages of Destruction P111-112]
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To address your points -
Socialism is the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). If it is the social (worker's state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy), then it's Marxism (which is what you think 'socialism' is). If it is the social (German/Aryan people's state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy), then it is National Socialism.
Therefore, there’s three things you need to realize. 1. socialism does not necessarily mean Marxist (class) Socialism. It could mean National (race) Socialism. 2. When I say National Socialism is socialism, I mean it’s socialism, not Marxism. 3. socialism is shown by the level of state control, which is opposite to capitalism, since capitalism is about less state control -
Capitalism is the private (individual, non-state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy).
Hitler is both anti-Marxist, and anti-capitalist because he thinks the Jews are causing a class crisis within capitalism to bring in Marxism, so that they can destroy the world. He therefore wants to bring in racial-socialism in order to stop this.
"Hitler imprisoned and killed socialists, democrats, communists, union leaders and other dissenters (along with some church leaders and conservatives)."
This is an example of state control, since it is the state cracking down on private businesses and organizations. However, the ‘socialists’ he killed were Ernst Röhm and his associates. These were a small number of (1,000) of socialists out of the large SA (3,000,000 strong) who were supposedly planning a coup on Hitler. This was in-fighting within the Party, rather than ideological opponents.
“he established the German Labour Front (DAF) which replaced all other independent trade unions”
At first, getting rid of trade unions looks like an example of getting rid of socialism. But is this really the case? What is a trade union? A trade union is an organization (usually Marxist in nature) of workers (class) who are opposing the employer (class). Since trade unions are based on class and not race, they’re an example of Marxism within capitalism.
Hitler replaces the Marxist (class) trade unions with the racial-state’s “German Labour Front” (DAF). The state is now in control of the workers - a sign of socialism. Since trade unions (private organizations) are no longer around, this is a sign of anti-capitalism, as well as anti-Marxism.
“gave more power to employers and made them solely responsible for decisions affecting the workers and their welfare”
Since class has been abolished, working class doesn’t exist in a racial state. All that matters is the race. And it wasn’t the employers in control, it was the state. As you will see in my follow up message, employers were completely dominated by the state.
“What redistribution of wealth was that? The Nazis did not redistribute wealth.”
You are severely mistaken. I’ll show you in the follow up message just how high taxes were increased for businesses and employers in order to redistribute wealth.
“[Hitler] believed the individual should work for the community but this effectively meant the elites and the state.”
Which is a sign of socialism, since socialism is the state.
“Hitler was inconsistent on this anyway since the nazis did occasionally rant against capitalism but were effectively in favour of it.”
Again, you will see in the follow up message just how non-capitalist the Nazi state was.
“The points about socialism were put in at the insistence of Drexler and Feder and Hitler was increasingly against them as time went on (Shirer p.41, 126-27, 143)”
Shirer’s book may as well have been written by Franz Halder, and is massively out of date. And actually, Hitler was not against socialism no matter how much Shirer of Halder say he was.
“The Nazis engaged in mass privitisation of government property and industry in the early 1930s and even into the war. The term "privitisation" was coined by a writer (Maxine Sweezy) in the 1941 documenting the "reprivitisation" of government assets under the Nazis. The term was also first used in german publications in the 1930s. This is something Stalin and communists did not do.”
And it is time to read my nex comment where I will explain this ‘privatization’.
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"TIK OK if you insist. Was there no role for private Capitalists in the holocaust?"And who were these private capitalists? Were they Jews? No, they were Germans. German-capitalists... not non-Aryan capitalists. This is a big deal -
To quote from Wikipedia - "There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them,[13] though social ownership is the common element shared by its various forms."
In National Socialist thinking, Aryans (the social-bit) seized the means of production from the Jews, and now owned the economy (social ownership), then self-managed the means of production. By doing so, they had to rid the Jews from society - so, their removal of the Jews from society is evidence of their socialism.
So long as the Germans socially owned the means of production, they could be capitalists all they wanted to be. And that's the point. Having German capitalists involved in the Holocaust doesn't mean anything, because they're helping the socialist government to gain social ownership over the means of production.
And, when you say that capitalists were involved in the Holocaust - yes, but they didn't own it. They didn't plan it. That was done by the socialist state. Because supply and demand and a free market economy doesn't result in the gas chambers.
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Also, in your other comment, you explicitely state that "There certainly was private property, not only on a small level , but in larger scale and that was the driving force of the german economy , unlike the soviet union where all the means of production (exept small parts of the agrarian sector) was owned by the state , which planned the production in a centralized manner."
So you're contradicting yourself. If it isn't state ownership of the economy, then why do you define the Soviet Union as being socialist for having the state own the economy?
This is what happens when people try to distort history. They run themselves into loopholes they can't get themselves out of.
"Congratulations then american comrades, USA is a socialist state!"
The USA is a capitalist nation. However some elements of it are socialist, since the government does own parts of the economy. This is not so hard to get your head around. The state owning the Fire Department or the Police Service is a form of socialism. This is especially true since 200 years ago, both of these things were in the hands of private companies or individuals. The first state police service was created in Britain in 1929.
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Socialism is the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy).
Google’s definition of socialism - “a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.”
“any economic or political system based on government ownership and control of important businesses and methods of production” “an economic, political, and social system that is based on the belief that all people are equal and should share equally in a country's money:” https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/socialism
“1. any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods” “2. a system of society or group living in which there is no private property” “b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state” “: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done” https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism
“Socialism is a set of left-wing political principles whose general aim is to create a system in which everyone has an equal opportunity to benefit from a country's wealth. Under socialism, the country's main industries are usually owned by the state.” “1. an economic theory or system in which the means of production, distribution, and exchange are owned by the community collectively, usually through the state. It is characterized by production for use rather than profit, by equality of individual wealth, by the absence of competitive economic activity, and, usually, by government determination of investment, prices, and production levels” “2. any of various social or political theories or movements in which the common welfare is to be achieved through the establishment of a socialist economic system” “3. (in Leninist theory) a transitional stage after the proletarian revolution in the development of a society from capitalism to communism: characterized by the distribution of income according to work rather than need”https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/socialism
“1 A political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.” “The term ‘socialism’ has been used to describe positions as far apart as anarchism, Soviet state Communism, and social democracy; however, it necessarily implies an opposition to the untrammelled workings of the economic market. The socialist parties that have arisen in most European countries from the late 19th century have generally tended towards social democracy” https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/socialism
“An economic system in which goods and services are provided through a central system of cooperative and/or government ownership rather than through competition and a free market system.”http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/socialism.html
“Socialism started out being defined as “government ownership of the means of production,” which is why the government of the Soviet Union confiscated all businesses, factories, and farms, murdering millions of dissenters and resistors in the process. It is also why socialist political parties in Europe, once in power, nationalized as many of the major industries (steel, automobiles, coal mines, electricity, telephone services) as they could. The Labour Party in post-World War II Great Britain would be an example of this.” - Dilorenzo, T. “The Problem with Socialism.” Regnery Publishing, Kindle 2016.
“The great majority of those I have asked, all of them qualified to speak with authority, not only give a definition, but their definitions come remarkably close together.” - “Socialism is the public ownership and operation of all the means of production.” - “Socialism ... is the collective ownership, through the state, of all the means of production and distribution.” “Socialism… is a proposed reorganization of industrial society which would substitute for the private ownership of land and the instruments of production public ownership, and for the private direction and management of industry, direction and management through public officials.” - “...the common ownership and operation of substantially all productive instruments.” - “Socialism is the collective ownership and democratic management of the social means of production for the common good.” - “Socialism… is that contemplated system of society which proposes the abolition of private property in the great material instruments of production, and the substitution therefor of collective property; and advocates the collective management of production, together with the distribution of social income by society, and private property in the larger proportion of this social income.” - [And this just goes on and on like this, with numerous people from 1911 saying the exact same thing.] From “The American Economic Review, Vol. 1, No. 2, Papers and Discussions of theTwenty-third Annual Meeting (Apr., 1911), pp. 347-354”
The Labour Party 2017 manifesto’s motto is “For the Many: Not the Few”. https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/labour-manifesto-2017.pdf On Page 4 states - “Labour will invest in the cutting-edge jobs and industries of the future that can improve everybody’s lives. Which is why this manifesto outlines a fully costed programme to upgrade our economy.” “Labour will change the law so that banks can’t close a branch where there is a clear local need, putting their customers first.” - which will increase costs and lower competition, P16. “Reinstate the lower small-business corporation tax rate” - decreasing the chance of small businesses and start-ups, creating an economy, P18. “Widening ownership of our economy” - is the headline on Page 19, stating “Many basic goods and services have been taken out of democratic control through privatisation.” “Bring private rail companies back into public ownership…” “Reverse the privatisation of Royal Mail at the earliest opportunity.” “Public ownership will benefit consumers [by increasing costs and prices, lowering productivity, and increasing taxes for the consumer?], ensuring that their interests are put first and that there is democratic accountability for the service.” That sounds exactly like state control and ownership of the economy.
So, what we have here is a clear definition of socialism. Socialism is the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). This is opposite to capitalism, which is the private (individual, non-state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). Socialism involves the abolishment of private property, state ownership or control of the means of production, and leads to policies like Autarky, nationalisation, and collectivisation. But the principle element is state control of the means of production, which is where the term “public sector” comes into it.
And yes, the Nazis banned private property.
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So, our list again -
Nationalisation
Abolishment of private property
Autarky
Collectivisation
Price fixing
Extremely high taxation
What we can see is that private property was abolished, autarky, collectivization, price fixing, and extremely high taxation all happened under National-Socialism. In addition, ‘privatization’ happened in name only. And as Zitelmann explains in “Hitler: The Politics of Seduction”, Hitler threatened the ‘private’ owners constantly with nationalization in order to get them to do as he pleased. Therefore, while you could argue that they ‘owned’ their businesses, they were controlled by Hitler. And therefore, they didn’t actually own their means of production, since this was actually owned by the state, which is exactly what Hitler was arguing in Mein Kampf (1924).
And, even if you didn’t accept the nationalization bit on account of ‘privatization’, what you have to remember is that just because Germany wasn’t fully socialist, doesn’t mean that Hitler and the National-Socialist German Worker’s Party weren’t socialist. They were only in power 12 years. In 12 years the Soviet Union hadn’t even collectivized the peasants, and capitalism was still around. Germany may not have been fully socialist, but they were far more socialist in the Nazi era than they were before and after the Nazis (except in East Germany after WW2, obviously).
Now, we need to remember that National-Socialism is different to Marxism. National-Socialism is the social (German/Aryan people's state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). It is based on race, not class. This is important because it changes how the Nazis operated compared to the Marxist-Socialists -
Other counter arguments to the idea of National-Socialism being socialism include Ernst Rohm’s Putsch, where people will say that the Nazis killed socialists. However, this is actually an example of state control, since it is the state cracking down on private businesses and organizations. The ‘socialists’ that Hitler killed were Ernst Röhm and his associates. These were a small number of (1,000) of socialists out of the large SA (3,000,000 strong) who were supposedly planning a coup on Hitler. This was in-fighting within the Party, rather than ideological opponents.
Another counterargument is that Hitler got rid of trade unions. And, at first, getting rid of trade unions looks like an example of getting rid of socialism. But is this really the case? What is a trade union? A trade union is an organization (usually Marxist in nature) of workers (class) who are opposing the employer (class). Since trade unions are based on class and not race, they’re an example of Marxism within capitalism.
Hitler replaces the Marxist (class) trade unions with the racial-state’s “German Labour Front” (DAF). The state is now in control of the workers - a sign of socialism. Since trade unions (private organizations) are no longer around, this is a sign of anti-capitalism, as well as anti-Marxism. It also misses the point that Lenin was against trade unions as well, despite being a Marxist-socialist.
So, with the above quotes, we can see that socialism definitely is the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). It is not “two workers, one hammer” as you described it. And National-Socialism was socialism: private property was abolished and that the capitalist businessmen were in trouble. They were not, as some claim, "supporting Hitler" and ruling the roost. They were under the socialist thumb. Similarly we have a heavy-state involvement in land reform in order to ‘socialize’ it. We also have price controls and high taxes restricting any effective ‘capitalism’ that may have been going on in the economy. All this is in addition to the fact that Hitler had restricted Germany’s trade with the world (“international-Jewish-finance” as he called it), severely limiting capitalism. We have the destruction of trade unions (both capitalist and Marxist in nature) and their replacement with the state. Therefore, what we have here is a planned socialist economy, not capitalism.
Sources -Dilorenzo, T. “The Problem with Socialism.” Regnery Publishing, Kindle 2016.
Hazlitt, H. “Economics in One Lesson: The Shortest & Surest Way to Understand Basic Economics.” Three Rivers Press, 1979. (originally published 1946)
Hitler. A. “Mein Kampf.” Jaico Books, 2017.
Muravchik, J. “Heaven on Earth: The Rise and Fall of Socialism.” Encounter Books, Kindle.
Reimann, G. “The Vampire Economy: Doing Business under Fascism.” Kindle, Mises Institute, 2007. Originally written in 1939.
Temin, P. “Soviet and Nazi Economic Planning in the 1930s.” From The Economic History Review, New Series, Vol. 44, No. 4 (Nov., 1991), pp. 573-593 (21 pages). Jstor. https://www.jstor.org/stable/2597802?seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents
Tooze, A. “Wages of Destruction: The Making & Breaking of The Nazi Economy.” Penguin Books, 2007.
Zitelmann, R. “Hitler: The Politics of Seduction.” London House, 1999.
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Now let’s turn our attention to collectivization -
“Like Hitler, Backe saw the mission of National Socialism as being the supersession of the rotten rule of the bourgeoisie. Far from being impractical, Backe’s ideology provided a grand historical rationale for the extreme protectionism already implemented by the nationalist agrarians. Far from being backward looking, Backe’s vision assigned to National Socialism the mission of achieving a reconciliations of the unresolved contradictions of nineteenth-century liberalism. It was not National Socialism but the Victorian ideology of the free market that was the outdated relic of a bygone era. After the economic disasters of the early 1930s there was no good reason to cling to such a dangerous archaic doctrine. The future belonged to a new system of economic organization capable of ensuring both the security of the national food supply and the maintenance of a healthy farming community as the source of racial vitality.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P174
[Tooze's Wages of Destruction P179-180] Because Germany didn’t have enough land to feed her population, both Backe and Hitler (and others) wanted to expand eastwards. The local populations were to be impacted by German ‘rearrangement’. “Those left in place were to serve as slave labour on German settler farms. The SS was to be the sword and shield of this settler movement.”
On the 26th of September 1933, Darré and Backe created the “Erbhof” law. [Tooze's Wages of Destruction P182]
“For the purpose of protecting the peasantry as the ‘Blood Source of the German People’, the law proposed to create a new category of farm, the Erbhof (hereditary farm), protected by debt, insulated from market forces and passed down from generation to generation within racially pure peasant families. The law applied to all farms that were sufficient in size to provide a German family with an adequate standard of living (an Achernahrung, later defined as a minimum of c. 7.5 hectares), but did not exceed 125 hectares.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P182
“The term ‘peasant’ (Bauer) was henceforth defined as an honorary title, reserved for those registered on the Role. Those not entered in the Erbhofrolle were henceforth to be referred to merely as ‘farmers’ (Landwirte). Entry in the Rolle protected the Erbhof for ever against the nightmare of repossession. By the same token, it also imposed constraints. Erbhoefe could not be sold. Nor could they be used as security against mortgages. Farms registered as Erbhoefe were thus removed from the free disposal of their immediate owners. Regardless of existing arrangements between spouses, Erbhoefe were to have a single, preferably male, owner who was required to document his line of descent, at least as far back as 1800, the same requirements as for civil servants. ‘Peasants’ were to be of German or ‘similar stock’ (Stammesgleich), a provision that excluded Jews, or anyone of partial Jewish descent.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P182-183
“The line of inheritance was now fixed in law.” P183 [clearly not free-market capitalism]
“Coupled with this extraordinary intervention in the property rights of German peasants was an equally drastic programme of debt reduction. Backe and Darré proposed that the Erbhof farmers should assume collective responsibility for each other’s debts. The debts of all Erbhoefe, variously estimated at between 6 and 9 billion Reichsmarks, were to be transferred to the Rentenbank Kreditanstalt, a state-sponsored mortgage bank. The Rentenbank would repay the original creditors with interest ranging between 2 and 4 per cent depending on the security of the original loan. ” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P183 [no more personal debt for these farmers, but collective debt]
Hitler approved of this plan, despite opposition from Junkers, some peasants and Schacht (as well as others). He then decided that it would go through, after negotiations. P184. Unfortunately for Darré and Schacht, they had to shelve the debt-relief idea and come up with a compromise ‘grant’ scheme instead for peasants who were in debt. P185 They also had to relax the inheritance elements of the law to appease the peasants. P185-186 Rate of enrollment for those farms that fitted the bill was high. It wasn’t enough to ‘transform the structure of land ownership in Germany.” P186 But it did have an impact. “It consolidated a group of farms whose average size nationally was just less than 20 hectares, a figure that was soon to be defined as the ideal size for efficient family farming in the new order of German agriculture.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P186
“The second fundamental step taken by Darré and Backe in the autumn of 1933 was the organization of the Reichsnaehrstand (RNS). It is not too much to say that the setting up of this organization and its associated system of price and production controls marked the end of the free market for agricultural produce in Germany. Agriculture and food production, which until the mid-nineteenth century had been overwhelmingly [-P187] the most important part of the German economy and which still in the 1930s constituted a very significant element of national product, were removed from the influence of market forces. As Backe clearly articulated even before 1933, the mechanism of price-setting was the key. The RNS made use of prices to regulate production.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P186-187
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28 February 1933 -
Order of the Reich President for the Protection of People and State
On the basis of Article 48 paragraph 2 of the Constitution of the German Reich, the following is ordered in defense against Communist state-endangering acts of violence:
§ 1. Articles 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124 and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. It is therefore permissible to restrict the rights of personal freedom [habeas corpus], freedom of (opinion) expression, including the freedom of the press, the freedom to organize and assemble, the privacy of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communications. Warrants for House searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.”
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Articles of the Weimar Constitution affected -
Article 115.
The dwelling of every German is his sanctuary and is inviolable. Exceptions may be imposed only by authority of law.
Article 153.
Property shall be guaranteed by the constitution. Its nature and limits shall be prescribed by law.
Expropriation [noun, the action by the state or an authority of taking property from its owner for public use or benefit.] shall take place only for the general good and only on the basis of law. It shall be accompanied by payment of just compensation unless otherwise provided by national law. In case of dispute over the amount of compensation recourse to the ordinary courts shall be permitted, unless otherwise provided by national law. Expropriation by the Reich over against the states, municipalities, and associations serving the public welfare may take place only upon the payment of compensation.
Property imposes obligations. Its use by its owner shall at the same time serve the public good.
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By law, individuals couldn't own property. Therefore, they cannot own businesses. The 'privatization' that took place, in fact, is a slight of hand. And there are many instances where the government exercised their power by seizing a person's personal property or businesses. The Nazis nationalized industries that didn't do as they insisted, then 're-privatized' them. But in reality those businesses could only function as part of the state, and were under control by the state, and weren't really owned by their owners.
"The Nazis viewed private property as conditional on its use - not as a fundamental right. If the property was not being used to further Nazi goals, it could be nationalized.” Temin, P576
“Prof. Junkers of the Junkers aeroplane factory refused to follow the government’s bidding in 1934. The Nazis thereupon took over the plant, compensating Junkers for his loss. This was the context in which other contracts were negotiated.” Temin, P576-577
“Manufacturers in Germany were panic-stricken when they heard of the experiences of some industrialists who were more or less expropriated [had their property seized] by the State. These industrialists were visited by State auditors who had strict orders to “examine” the balance sheets and all bookkeeping entries of the company (or individual businessman) for the preceding two, three, or more years until some error or false entry was found. The slightest formal mistake was punished with tremendous penalties. A fine of millions of marks was imposed for a single bookkeeping error. Obviously, the examination of the books was simply a pretext for partial expropriation of the private capitalist with a view to complete expropriation and seizure of the desired property later. The owner of the property was helpless, since under fascism there is no longer an independent judiciary that protects the property rights of private citizens against the state. The authoritarian State has made it a principle that private property is no longer sacred.” - Reimann, Chapter II (no page number, as on Kindle)
Reimann, in 1939, quotes from a German businessman’s letter to an American businessman -
“The difference between this and the Russian system is much less than you think, despite the fact that officially we are still independent businessmen.” “Some businessmen have even started studying Marxist theories, so that they will have a better understanding of the present economic system.” “How can we possibly manage a firm according to business principles if it is impossible to make any predictions as to the prices at which goods are to be bought and sold? We are completely dependent on arbitrary Government decisions concerning quantity, quality and prices for foreign raw materials.” “You cannot imagine how taxation has increased. Yet everyone is afraid to complain about it. The new State loans are nothing but confiscation of private property, because no one believed that the Government will ever make repayment, nor even pay interest after the first few years.” “We businessmen still make sufficient profit, sometimes even large profits, but we never know how much we are going to be able to keep…”
“The decree of February 28, 1933, nullified article 153 of the Weimar Constitution which guaranteed private property and restricted interference with private property in accordance with certain legally defined conditions … The conception of property has experienced a fundamental change. The individualistic conception of the State - a result of the liberal spirit - must give way to the concept that communal welfare precedes individual welfare. (Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz).” - Reimann, quoting from Jahrbuch des Oeffentlichen Rechtes der Gegenward, ed. by Otto Koellreuther (1935), p. 267.
“There exists no law which binds the State. The State can do what it regards as necessary, because it has the authority.” “The next stage of National-Socialist economic policy consists of replacing capitalist laws by policy.” - Fritz Nonnenbruch, the financial editor of the Voelkischer Beobachter (quoted by Reimann).
“The life of the German businessman is full of contradictions. He cordially dislikes the gigantic, top-heavy, bureaucratic State machine which is strangling his economic independence. Yet he needs the aid of these despised bureaucrats more and more, and is forced to run after them, begging for concessions, privileges, grants, in fear that his competitor will gain the advantage.” - Reimann
“Such a system also changes the psychology of businessmen. Their experiences teach them that the old right of property no longer exists. They find themselves compelled to respect the “national interest” or the “welfare of the community.”” “Businessmen must claim that everything they do, any new business for which they want a certificate, any preferment in the supply of raw materials, etc., is “in the interest of the national community.”” - Reimann
Schacht centralized and heavily regulated the electricity production industry, which then sparked a new plan of economic administration. This was all in 1935. [Tooze's Wages of Destruction P111-112]
"...in practice the Reichsbank and the Reich Ministry of Economic Affairs had no intention of allowing the radical activists of the SA, the shopfloor militants of the Nazi party or Gauleiter commissioners to dictate the course of events. Under the slogan of the 'strong state', the ministerial bureaucracy fashioned a new national structure of economic regulation." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112
“We worked and governed with incredible elan. We really ruled. For the bureaucrats of the Ministry the contrast to the Weimar Republic was stark. Party chatter in the Reichstag was no longer heard. The language of the bureaucracy was rid of the paralysing formula: technically right but politically impossible.” - Schacht, speaking of the situation after 1933. Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112-113
"It would be absurd to deny the reality of this shift. The crisis of corporate capitalism in the course of the Great Depression did permanently alter the balance of power. Never again was big business to influence the course of government in German as directly as it did between the outbreak of World War I in 1914 and the onset of the Depression in 1929. The Reich's economic administration, for its part, accumulated unprecedented powers of national economic control." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P113
“Control over domestic resources was paralleled by centralized control over imports. Both countries [Nazi and Soviet] controlled and restricted international trade.” Temin, P580
"Both governments reorganized industry into larger units, ostensibly to increase state control over economic activity. The Nazis reorganized industry into 13 administrative groups with a large number of subgroups to create a private hierarchy for state control. The state therefore could direct the firms’ activities without acquiring direct ownership of enterprises. The pre-existing tendency to form cartels was encouraged to eliminate competition that would destabilize prices.” Temin, P582-583
“The Soviets had made a similar move in the 1920s. Faced with a scarcity of administrative personnel, the state encouraged enterprises to combine into trusts and trusts to combine into syndicates. These large units continued into the 1930s where they were utilized to bridge the gap between overall plans and actual production.” Temin, P583
"“... this difference was not important to many decisions. The incentives for managers - both positive and negative - were very similar in the two countries. Consequently, their responses to the [Four or Five Year] plans were also similar. In neither case did the managers set the goals of the plans.” Temin, P590-591
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So, now that I have confirmed that socialism is indeed the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy), we can look at this list again -
The Soviet Union (Marxism)
National-Socialist Germany
Fascist Italy
Khmer Rouge (Cambodia in the 1970’s)
The Labour Party of the UK (representing ‘democratic socialism’)
Nationalisation
Abolishment of private property
Autarky
Collectivisation
Price fixing
Extremely high taxation
So far (apart from National-Socialist Germany and Fascist Italy which we’ll get to below) every single one of these historic socialisms are defined under my definition of socialism - state ownership of all or parts of the economy. Historically then, my definition works, whereas yours denies the historic reality.
Now let’s turn our attention to National-Socialism. In order to prove that National-Socialism was socialism, we need to see if the Nazis implemented any of the policies below, since these run counter to capitalism:
Nationalisation
Abolishment of private property
Autarky
Collectivisation
Price fixing
Extremely high taxation
First, let’s take a look at the abolishment of private property, Autarky, price fixing, high taxation and nationalization/’privatization’. We’ll start with the Reichstag Fire Decree of 1933 -
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So, what we have here is a clear definition of socialism. Socialism is the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). This is opposite to capitalism, which is the private (individual, non-state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). Socialism involves the abolishment of private property, state ownership or control of the means of production, and leads to policies like Autarky, nationalisation, and collectivisation. But the principle element is state control of the means of production, which is where the term “public sector” comes into it.
Now, the benefit of my definition is simple - it works. There’s no “am I socialist or a capitalist if I own the means of production?” rubbish, it actually makes sense. Does the state own a business? Yes. Then it is socialism. Is the business owned by the private individual? Yes, then it is capitalism. Is the state propping up the banks after the 2008 recession instead of letting them fall to market forces? Yes, then that is a socialist policy (since it leads to state ownership of those banks in the form of shares and investments). Is the state nationalizing the industries? Yes, then that is a socialist state (even if it hasn’t finished doing so). Is the state using high taxation to prop up on dying sector of the economy and therefore lowering productivity and hurting all consumers equally? Yes, then it is socialism.
A worker who saves his pennies and purchases a hammer in order to craft something to sell, is a capitalist. Yes, vast amounts of wealth may be needed to create a factory, but the worker can create a business from his own workbench. And this is the benefit of capitalism to a worker - you are not being exploited. If you do not like your job, get another, or create your own business. There is nothing stopping you except yourself and high taxation (and high taxes are an indication of socialism, as I will explain below) from the state.
Capitalism is against the idea of the state being in the economy. Capitalists want private property and private ownership of their businesses. They want less government regulation and no price fixing. This is all explained by Hazlitt in his book “Economics in One Lesson: The Shortest & Surest Way to Understand Basic Economics.” which I would highly recommend to you, but yes capitalists do not want high taxation, price fixing, tariffs or regulations. Some will advocate that for themselves, but as Hazlitt points out, regulation for one industry hurts every consumer high higher taxation and higher prices, and hurts every other business through higher taxation and higher prices, and hurts the entire economy through higher taxation and higher prices. Plus, productivity falls, hurting everyone as well. So yes, capitalists (on a whole) are against state involvement in the economy.
Socialists on the other hand advocate that capitalists are bad and that the state can do it better. Why? Because the state is the public. Let me explain: a government is a body that governs. Simply. So when the workers rise up and seize the means of production, what happens? They govern their factory. This means, they’re a government (of their factory). If all these ‘governments’ or ‘councils’ or ‘soviets’ form together, you get a Union of Socialist Soviet Republics - the USSR, or the Soviet Union. This is what happened historically (generally speaking because in reality Lenin betrayed the workers, but that’s not relevant here).
When you say collective ownership, what is a collective? A group of people. A group of people is a social group. A social group cooperates together, and policies that affect the whole group are ‘public’ policies. A ‘public’ is the state. If you get rid of one government, you replace them with another. And if you have no government (anarchy), it won’t be long before another group of humans bands together and forms one (either by violence or persuasion).
Therefore, “stateless socialism” as you defined it, not only doesn’t work but is another direct contradiction like “state capitalism”. If you have a stateless society, there is nothing stopping one group seizing power over others. There’s also nothing stopping one human from purchasing or seizing the means of production. So you cannot have “stateless socialism” even if we didn’t define it as the state ownership of the means of production. But if you do define it as that (which I and a lot of people do), you can’t have a stateless-state, much like you can’t have a state-non-state (state capitalism). Again, they’re oxymorons.
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Google’s definition of socialism - “a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.”
“any economic or political system based on government ownership and control of important businesses and methods of production” “an economic, political, and social system that is based on the belief that all people are equal and should share equally in a country's money:” https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/socialism
“1. any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods” “2. a system of society or group living in which there is no private property” “b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state” “: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done” https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism
“Socialism is a set of left-wing political principles whose general aim is to create a system in which everyone has an equal opportunity to benefit from a country's wealth. Under socialism, the country's main industries are usually owned by the state.” “1.
an economic theory or system in which the means of production, distribution, and exchange are owned by the community collectively, usually through the state. It is characterized by production for use rather than profit, by equality of individual wealth, by the absence of competitive economic activity, and, usually, by government determination of investment, prices, and production levels” “2. any of various social or political theories or movements in which the common welfare is to be achieved through the establishment of a socialist economic system” “3. (in Leninist theory) a transitional stage after the proletarian revolution in the development of a society from capitalism to communism: characterized by the distribution of income according to work rather than need”
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/socialism
“1 A political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.” “The term ‘socialism’ has been used to describe positions as far apart as anarchism, Soviet state Communism, and social democracy; however, it necessarily implies an opposition to the untrammelled workings of the economic market. The socialist parties that have arisen in most European countries from the late 19th century have generally tended towards social democracy” https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/socialism
“An economic system in which goods and services are provided through a central system of cooperative and/or government ownership rather than through competition and a free market system.”
http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/socialism.html
“Socialism, social and economic doctrine that calls for public rather than private ownership or control of property and natural resources. According to the socialist view, individuals do not live or work in isolation but live in cooperation with one another. Furthermore, everything that people produce is in some sense a social product, and everyone who contributes to the production of a good is entitled to a share in it. Society as a whole, therefore, should own or at least control property for the benefit of all its members.
This conviction puts socialism in opposition to capitalism, which is based on private ownership of the means of production and allows individual choices in a free market to determine how goods and services are distributed. Socialists complain that capitalism necessarily leads to unfair and exploitative concentrations of wealth and power in the hands of the relative few who emerge victorious from free-market competition—people who then use their wealth and power to reinforce their dominance in society. Because such people are rich, they may choose where and how to live, and their choices in turn limit the options of the poor. As a result, terms such as individual freedom and equality of opportunity may be meaningful for capitalists but can only ring hollow for working people, who must do the capitalists’ bidding if they are to survive. As socialists see it, true freedom and true equality require social control of the resources that provide the basis for prosperity in any society. Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels made this point in Manifesto of the Communist Party (1848) when they proclaimed that in a socialist society “the condition for the free development of each is the free development of all.”
This fundamental conviction nevertheless leaves room for socialists to disagree among themselves with regard to two key points. The first concerns the extent and the kind of property that society should own or control. Some socialists have thought that almost everything except personal items such as clothing should be public property; this is true, for example, of the society envisioned by the English humanist Sir Thomas More in his Utopia (1516). Other socialists, however, have been willing to accept or even welcome private ownership of farms, shops, and other small or medium-sized businesses.
The second disagreement concerns the way in which society is to exercise its control of property and other resources. In this case the main camps consist of loosely defined groups of centralists and decentralists. On the centralist side are socialists who want to invest public control of property in some central authority, such as the state—or the state under the guidance of a political party, as was the case in the Soviet Union. Those in the decentralist camp believe that decisions about the use of public property and resources should be made at the local, or lowest-possible, level by the people who will be most directly affected by those decisions. This conflict has persisted throughout the history of socialism as a political movement”
https://www.britannica.com/topic/socialism
“Socialism started out being defined as “government ownership of the means of production,” which is why the government of the Soviet Union confiscated all businesses, factories, and farms, murdering millions of dissenters and resistors in the process. It is also why socialist political parties in Europe, once in power, nationalized as many of the major industries (steel, automobiles, coal mines, electricity, telephone services) as they could. The Labour Party in post-World War II Great Britain would be an example of this.” - Dilorenzo, T. “The Problem with Socialism.” Regnery Publishing, Kindle 2016.
“The great majority of those I have asked, all of them qualified to speak with authority, not only give a definition, but their definitions come remarkably close together.” - “Socialism is the public ownership and operation of all the means of production.” - “Socialism ... is the collective ownership, through the state, of all the means of production and distribution.” “Socialism… is a proposed reorganization of industrial society which would substitute for the private ownership of land and the instruments of production public ownership, and for the private direction and management of industry, direction and management through public officials.” - “...the common ownership and operation of substantially all productive instruments.” - “Socialism is the collective ownership and democratic management of the social means of production for the common good.” - “Socialism… is that contemplated system of society which proposes the abolition of private property in the great material instruments of production, and the substitution therefor of collective property; and advocates the collective management of production, together with the distribution of social income by society, and private property in the larger proportion of this social income.” - [And this just goes on and on like this, with numerous people from 1911 saying the exact same thing.] From “The American Economic Review, Vol. 1, No. 2, Papers and Discussions of theTwenty-third Annual Meeting (Apr., 1911), pp. 347-354”
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Ok I’m going to stop here a second and look at this list again.
The Soviet Union (Marxism)
National-Socialist Germany
Fascist Italy
Khmer Rouge (Cambodia in the 1970’s)
The Labour Party of the UK (representing ‘democratic socialism’)
Nationalisation
Abolishment of private property
Autarky
Collectivisation
Price fixing
Extremely high taxation
You have denied that all of the above is socialism. Even the abolishment of private property doesn’t make sense because if you abolish property you can no longer own it (collectively or not). But I will assume that, by “direct ownership and management of the means of production by the workers” you mean that property is collectively owned - which then would be an abolishment of private property. However, if you meant that the workers just own the means of production, then private property still exists, at which point none of the above is socialism.
Ok, so you’ve denied every socialist policy, party and state in history. And you’ve contradicted yourself numerous times. Your definitions are flawed and don’t match the historical (or even logical) reality. They’re also contradicted by vast quantities of literature on the subject.
And why is that? Well, let’s give the historical context: from 1956 onwards, Marxists realized that socialism (up to this point, defined as “the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy” had failed spectacularly in every state it had been in so far. Why 1956? The Hungarian Revolution of 1956 against their own Marxist-Leninist government for starters, but also the previous horrors of Soviet and National-Socialism were coming to light.
So, what the French Marxists did was start to redefine socialism. They couldn’t do so on practical and scientific grounds because all the evidence said socialism was a failure. So they rejected science and evidence. These were the “postmodernists” - a movement that still goes on to this day.
The postmodernist goal was to distance themselves from the reality of socialism and advocate it on ‘belief’ only. They referred to this ‘belief’ as ideology, but the reality was it was belief. This is why postmodernists won’t even engage in debate with people, because to engage in debate is to give the advantage to the “enemy”. Obviously the “enemy” has the advantage of evidence, so they would lose if they engaged them in a proper debate. That is why I’ve accused people in the comments section here of being postmodernists - because they’re doing absolutely everything they can to suppress the idea that Nationalsocialism was socialism - refusing to engage in debate, telling me to “neck yourself”, slander, accusing me of being a Nazi (even though the purpose here is to prove the Holocaust happened), and reporting the video (but then crying that they have “free speech” - using liberal western policies against the west).
But unfortunately, the definitions that the new age of socialists use to define socialism (as you have done), don’t hold up to scrutiny. This is quite typical of anyone trying to distort history - as soon as you start poking at their points, their logic falls apart.
So, not only do you and other postmodernist-socialists have an agenda to reject every socialism in history (not just national-socialism), your arguments doing so don’t actually hold up. Even your definition doesn’t hold up to scrutiny:
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“So if the means of production were to be made public (read: government owned), the only way this could still be called socialist, is if it were a direct democracy.”
Ahhh, so when the workers rise up and replace the government, they either have to form a democracy, or total anarchy, in order to make socialism work. Got you.
I guess this means that democratic socialism is socialism - which a lot of people are claiming it isn’t.
“This is precisely why the libertarian socialists at the First International were so opposed to the establishment of a Republic structure to the USSR, with Bakunin dreading the introduction of the "Red Bureaucracy."”
Are you referring to the real First International in 1863? Or the second-but-actually-the-first International where Lenin had in the weeks before planted his agents as delegates, so that Iskra didn’t have the greatest number of grassroots members but did have the majority of delegates? Is this where he demanded a small party of professional revolutionaries rather than a mass-worker-party, bullied out Bund and the economists, which is then where he formed the “Bolshevik” (Majority) Party, and ended democracy within the Marxist movement?
Just checking because either way, it sounds like the First International was definitely advocating democratic socialism. Lenin on the other hand was advocating a socialist-dictatorship. Of course, neither of these is any different from one another because socialism is an economic policy. Authoritarianism and democracy are political in nature, whilst socialism is the workers owning the means of production, and thus separate from the idea of democracy and dictatorships.
“You see, as workers no longer had DIRECT control over their workplace, it was no longer socialism. Lenin claimed nothing less, calling the USSR state capitalist with this exact reasoning.”
Right, so you’re definitely saying that the Soviet Union wasn’t socialist. Ok, I’ll note that for later.
“State capitalism is, logically, just when the state owns and runs monopoly enterprises "in the stead" of the workers, in the same capacity that the owners of capital do in a private economy.”
But if the state owns the means of production, then it is no longer in the hands of private owners, and thus is no longer capitalism. As soon as the state owns the means of production, the workplace, decisions about the distribution of revenue, and the mechanisms for production, are no-longer owned and managed by someone (typically an investor) with large accumulations of capital, not the laborers. Therefore, the term “state capitalism” is an oxymoron and makes zero sense.
And surely, if the owners of the means of production wanted to reap the benefits of price setting and consumer perception, they wouldn’t want the government to take the profits they would make from their investments? And I guess this is why, historically, capitalists have been advocating small government and less-government ownership in the economy, because they know that this reduces the amount of profit they make.
And also, what’s the difference between “state capitalism” and “nationalization”? Surely these are the same thing? If they are, why are socialists advocating nationalization, or saying that nationalization is proof of socialism. By your definition, nationalization is capitalism.
“Marxism is also not a "kind of socialism." Marxism isn't even an economic theory.”
So we’re now scrapping everything you’ve just said?
“if the people were allowed to manage themselves and their economy a la socialism, the state (a term of art referring to a power structure not able to be held accountable to the people) would no longer be needed.”
But if the people/workers managed themselves and their economy, this would be capitalism too, by your definition? And also, if a group of workers work in a factory, what’s to stop one of the workers saving his money and buying ownership of the factory from the others? If there’s no state, there’s nothing to stop him or the other workers from making that trade. Plus, if a worker then gets access to a hammer and some nails, he can become a private builder. Thus, even under socialism, there is private ownership, unless the worker doesn’t own his tools. But if there’s no state, what’s to prevent him from saying ‘ok, this hammer is mine now’? Nothing. So as soon as you have stateless-socialism, it devolves into capitalism.
“As for your statement that Nazi Germany used socialism to commit the holocaust, you can now see that this is a completely false claim.”
But I don’t see it. You defined capitalism as the workplace, decisions about the distribution of revenue, and the mechanisms for production, are all owned and managed by someone (typically an investor) with large accumulations of capital, not the laborers. Ok, so which person or business owned the Holocaust? That’s right, they didn’t. The Holocaust wasn’t owned by one business or one person, and therefore wasn’t capitalism (by your own definition).
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“Sure, I'll define them for you.”
First off, I’d like to thank you for defining socialism and capitalism. That was very helpful, and you are the first to actually do it in these comments sections. I can now see why so many people are upset that I’ve defined socialism by what it was defined historically, rather than what they believe it is post-1956.
“I'll give you the knowledge needed to work out where all of your confusion lies.”
No… You’re talking to someone who’s done his homework. I think you’ll see where your confusion lies.
Ok, here’s a bunch of states and policies that I (and many others) would define as socialism/Marxism -
The Soviet Union (Marxism)
National-Socialist Germany
Fascist Italy
Khmer Rouge (Cambodia in the 1970’s)
The Labour Party of the UK (representing ‘democratic socialism’)
Nationalisation
Abolishment of private property
Autarky
Collectivisation
Price fixing
Extremely high taxation
In the course of my replies, I will show how my definition of socialism encompasses all of the above, and how your definition doesn’t cover any of the above.
“Capitalism is when the workplace, decisions about the distribution of revenue, and the mechanisms for production, are all owned and managed by someone (typically an investor) with large accumulations of capital, not the laborers.”
Ok, I’m a worker who owns the workplace, makes decisions about the distribution of revenue, and the mechanisms for production, and I own and manage them myself. Therefore, by your definition, I’m a capitalist.
“Socialism, by contrast, is the direct ownership and management of the means of production by the workers.”
So again, I’m a worker who owns the workplace, makes decisions about the distribution of revenue, and the mechanisms for production, and I own and manage them myself. Therefore, by your definition, I’m a socialist.
Wait a second... How can I be a socialist and a capitalist at the same time? That doesn’t make any sense. As a low-income worker, who is self-employed, and owns the means of production, am I a capitalist or a socialist? Your definitions are contradictory.
“Capitalism, by this measure, is an inherently authoritarian ideology, not centered upon government authority, but instead upon the authority of the owner class over the laborers.”
Ahhh, so because I don’t have large accumulations of capital, I can’t be a capitalist. Therefore, I own a privately owned socialist business.
And for context: I work 77 hours a week on average and get paid slightly above minimum wage because that’s what I earn off YouTube and Patreons. I’m thinking of dropping my wage to hire a part-time editor who will be on more per-hour than me and I’m going to be on less than minimum wage. This will hopefully increase production, which will then allow me to hire a full-time editor, and further increase production to hire more people and so on…
But hold on, does that mean that as soon as I hire a worker I’m no longer a socialist? Even though I’ll still be working 77 hours a week as a worker, I’d no longer be a worker? And if I do hire a worker and create a job, I’m also suddenly an ‘owner’ class, despite also being a worker? And, even though my employee will earn more than I do, I’d be exploiting them as an authoritarian?
And also, without large investment capital, by your own definition, I can’t be a capitalist either? Your definitions are confusing. Am I a capitalist or a socialist? Because according to your own definition, I’m not a capitalist.
“Socialism, by contrast, is the direct ownership and management of the means of production by the workers.”
Ahhh, so according to your own definition, I’m currently a socialist. But once I hire someone to help production, I suddenly jump from no longer being a worker to being an evil capitalist, even though they’ll be making more money than me and I’ll have practically no capital left.
This also means that anyone who has a start-up business as an individual is a socialist, since they own and manage the means of production. In fact, it goes beyond this - if two workers collectively own a hammer: socialism. If two students put their money together and purchase a box of pens to do their homework: socialism. Yeah, this makes total sense.
I guess I am a socialist then. Unless socialism requires two workers as a minimum. At which point, I’m an evil capitalist until I find another worker to share the means of production with. What happens when two people decide to collectively start up a business, does that mean that they’re socialists too? By your definition they’re both evil capitalist-socialists.
“It is almost always connected with the Labor Theory of Value, which centers all product value as deriving from labor, not consumer demand or price setting.”
I’ll tell this to my Patreons - hey guys, I’ve been working 77 hours a week but you’ve only been paying me for 40 hours, so I basically need you to double the amount of money you’re pledging to me. This won’t double my productivity because as soon as I hire someone to help me out I’m no longer a socialist, which means you have to pay me what you think my work is worth not what I think it’s worth, which will reduce the amount you’re pledging and thus I’d have to fire the person I hired, which then means I become a socialist again… So yeah, pay me more and receive less in return for your money, thanks.
“You see, if the workers do not have direct control over how their labor is valued, managed, and how revenue deriving from it is distributed, the economic model is not socialism.”
Got you, so I’m definitely a socialist right now, as are all start-up businesses, independent contractors and individuals who own private property. Thanks for clarifying that.
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That assessment of the industrialists is incorrect. Digging further into the details, you see that the industrialists were completely enslaved by the state.
By law, individuals couldn't own property. Therefore, they cannot own businesses. The 'privatization' that took place, in fact, is a slight of hand. And there are many instances where the government exercised their power by seizing a person's personal property or businesses. The Nazis nationalized industries that didn't do as they insisted, then 're-privatized' them. But in reality those businesses could only function as part of the state, and were under control by the state, and weren't really owned by their owners.
"The Nazis viewed private property as conditional on its use - not as a fundamental right. If the property was not being used to further Nazi goals, it could be nationalized.” Temin, P576
“Prof. Junkers of the Junkers aeroplane factory refused to follow the government’s bidding in 1934. The Nazis thereupon took over the plant, compensating Junkers for his loss. This was the context in which other contracts were negotiated.” Temin, P576-577
“Manufacturers in Germany were panic-stricken when they heard of the experiences of some industrialists who were more or less expropriated [had their property seized] by the State. These industrialists were visited by State auditors who had strict orders to “examine” the balance sheets and all bookkeeping entries of the company (or individual businessman) for the preceding two, three, or more years until some error or false entry was found. The slightest formal mistake was punished with tremendous penalties. A fine of millions of marks was imposed for a single bookkeeping error. Obviously, the examination of the books was simply a pretext for partial expropriation of the private capitalist with a view to complete expropriation and seizure of the desired property later. The owner of the property was helpless, since under fascism there is no longer an independent judiciary that protects the property rights of private citizens against the state. The authoritarian State has made it a principle that private property is no longer sacred.” - Reimann, Chapter II (no page number, as on Kindle)
Schacht centralized and heavily regulated the electricity production industry, which then sparked a new plan of economic administration. This was all in 1935. [Tooze's Wages of Destruction P111-112]
"...in practice the Reichsbank and the Reich Ministry of Economic Affairs had no intention of allowing the radical activists of the SA, the shopfloor militants of the Nazi party or Gauleiter commissioners to dictate the course of events. Under the slogan of the 'strong state', the ministerial bureaucracy fashioned a new national structure of economic regulation." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112
“We worked and governed with incredible elan. We really ruled. For the bureaucrats of the Ministry the contrast to the Weimar Republic was stark. Party chatter in the Reichstag was no longer heard. The language of the bureaucracy was rid of the paralysing formula: technically right but politically impossible.” - Schacht, speaking of the situation after 1933. Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112-113
"It would be absurd to deny the reality of this shift. The crisis of corporate capitalism in the course of the Great Depression did permanently alter the balance of power. Never again was big business to influence the course of government in German as directly as it did between the outbreak of World War I in 1914 and the onset of the Depression in 1929. The Reich's economic administration, for its part, accumulated unprecedented powers of national economic control." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P113
“Control over domestic resources was paralleled by centralized control over imports. Both countries [Nazi and Soviet] controlled and restricted international trade.” Temin, P580
"Both governments reorganized industry into larger units, ostensibly to increase state control over economic activity. The Nazis reorganized industry into 13 administrative groups with a large number of subgroups to create a private hierarchy for state control. The state therefore could direct the firms’ activities without acquiring direct ownership of enterprises. The pre-existing tendency to form cartels was encouraged to eliminate competition that would destabilize prices.” Temin, P582-583
Therefore, what we have here is a planned socialist economy, not capitalism.
Sources -
Temin, P. “Soviet and Nazi Economic Planning in the 1930s.” From The Economic History Review, New Series, Vol. 44, No. 4 (Nov., 1991), pp. 573-593 (21 pages). Jstor. https://www.jstor.org/stable/2597802?seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents
Tooze, A. “Wages of Destruction: The Making & Breaking of The Nazi Economy.” Penguin Books, 2007.
Reimann, G. “The Vampire Economy: Doing Business under Fascism.” Kindle, Mises Institute, 2007. Originally written in 1939.
(Accessed 04/10/2018)
https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Reichstagsbrandverordnung
http://home.wlu.edu/~patchw/His_214/_handouts/Weimar%20constitution.htm
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Weimar_constitution
http://www.zum.de/psm/weimar/weimar_vve.php
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Again, it's not about class. Socialism is the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). If it is the social (worker's state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy), then it's Marxism (which is what you think 'socialism' is). If it is the social (German/Aryan people's state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy), then it is National Socialism.
This is in contrast to capitalism, which is the private (individual, non-state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). Hitler is all about state control. One of the first thing he does when he gets in power is wipe out private property.
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28 February 1933 -
Order of the Reich President for the Protection of People and State
On the basis of Article 48 paragraph 2 of the Constitution of the German Reich, the following is ordered in defense against Communist state-endangering acts of violence:
§ 1. Articles 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124 and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. It is therefore permissible to restrict the rights of personal freedom [habeas corpus], freedom of (opinion) expression, including the freedom of the press, the freedom to organize and assemble, the privacy of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communications. Warrants for House searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.”
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Articles of the Weimar Constitution affected -
Article 115.
The dwelling of every German is his sanctuary and is inviolable. Exceptions may be imposed only by authority of law.
Article 153.
Property shall be guaranteed by the constitution. Its nature and limits shall be prescribed by law.
Expropriation [noun, the action by the state or an authority of taking property from its owner for public use or benefit.] shall take place only for the general good and only on the basis of law. It shall be accompanied by payment of just compensation unless otherwise provided by national law. In case of dispute over the amount of compensation recourse to the ordinary courts shall be permitted, unless otherwise provided by national law. Expropriation by the Reich over against the states, municipalities, and associations serving the public welfare may take place only upon the payment of compensation.
Property imposes obligations. Its use by its owner shall at the same time serve the public good.
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Hitler has no interest in the working class, or the business class, because this isn't Marxist-Socialism. He sees things on racial lines. Everyone in Germany has to be German. None-Germans need to be removed. The Holocaust is actually an example of his racist-socialism.
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National Socialism and Fascism are not the same. They are similar, and often get lumped in the same camp, as you have done, but this is only because you don't understand the fundamental difference between the two. Both are socialisms, as the core idea of both of these ideologies is that "socialized man, the producers," should be in "common control" of the means of production (Das Kapital volume 3). For Fascists, that socialised man should be the nation. For Nazis, that socialized man should be the race.
This is why the Italians only introduced the first racial law in 1938 (16 years after taking power), and only did so because Hitler influenced Mussolini. For Mussolini, being an Italian Jew was fine, so long as you were working towards the Italian nation. For Hitler, this was unthinkable. In his mind, the race was more important. That's why he wanted to unite the Germans, and remove the Jews from society.
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1. Nationalizing the industries is completely irrelevant, since the industries were still under state control. All quotes come from Tooze's Wages of Destruction -
Schacht centralized and heavily regulated the electricity production industry, which then sparked a new plan of economic administration. This was all in 1935. P111-112
"...in practice the Reichsbank and the Reich Ministry of Economic Affairs had no intention of allowing the radical activists of the SA, the shopfloor militants of the Nazi party or Gauleiter commissioners to dictate the course of events. Under the slogan of the 'strong state', the ministerial bureaucracy fashioned a new national structure of economic regulation." - P112
“We worked and governed with incredible elan. We really ruled. For the bureaucrats of the Ministry the contrast to the Weimar Republic was stark. Party chatter in the Reichstag was no longer heard. The language of the bureaucracy was rid of the paralysing formula: technically right but politically impossible.” - Schacht, speaking of the situation after 1933. P112-113
"It would be absurd to deny the reality of this shift. The crisis of corporate capitalism in the course of the Great Depression did permanently alter the balance of power. Never again was big business to influence the course of government in German as directly as it did between the outbreak of World War I in 1914 and the onset of the Depression in 1929. The Reich's economic administration, for its part, accumulated unprecedented powers of national economic control." - P113
“Like Hitler, Backe saw the mission of National Socialism as being the supersession of the rotten rule of the bourgeoisie. Far from being impractical, Backe’s ideology provided a grand historical rationale for the extreme protectionism already implemented by the nationalist agrarians. Far from being backward looking, Backe’s vision assigned to National Socialism the mission of achieving a reconciliations of the unresolved contradictions of nineteenth-century liberalism. It was not National Socialism but the Victorian ideology of the free market that was the outdated relic of a bygone era. After the economic disasters of the early 1930s there was no good reason to cling to such a dangerous archaic doctrine. The future belonged to a new system of economic organization capable of ensuring both the security of the national food supply and the maintenance of a healthy farming community as the source of racial vitality.” P174
P179-180 Because Germany didn’t have enough land to feed her population, both Backe and Hitler (and others) wanted to expand eastwards. The local populations were to be impacted by German ‘rearrangement’. “Those left in place were to serve as slave labour on German settler farms. The SS was to be the sword and shield of this settler movement.”
On the 26th of September 1933, Darré and Backe created the “Erbhof” law. P182
“For the purpose of protecting the peasantry as the ‘Blood Source of the German People’, the law proposed to create a new category of farm, the Erbhof (hereditary farm), protected by debt, insulated from market forces and passed down from generation to generation within racially pure peasant families. The law applied to all farms that were sufficient in size to provide a German family with an adequate standard of living (an Achernahrung, later defined as a minimum of c. 7.5 hectares), but did not exceed 125 hectares.” P182
“The term ‘peasant’ (Bauer) was henceforth defined as an honorary title, reserved for those registered on the Role. Those not entered in the Erbhofrolle were henceforth to be referred to merely as ‘farmers’ (Landwirte). Entry in the Rolle protected the Erbhof for ever against the nightmare of repossession. By the same token, it also imposed constraints. Erbhoefe could not be sold. Nor could they be used as security against mortgages. Farms registered as Erbhoefe were thus removed from the free disposal of their immediate owners. Regardless of existing arrangements between spouses, Erbhoefe were to have a single, preferably male, owner who was required to document his line of descent, at least as far back as 1800, the same requirements as for civil servants. ‘Peasants’ were to be of German or ‘similar stock’ (Stammesgleich), a provision that excluded Jews, or anyone of partial Jewish descent.” P182-183
“The line of inheritance was now fixed in law.” P183 [clearly not free-market capitalism]
“Coupled with this extraordinary intervention in the property rights of German peasants was an equally drastic programme of debt reduction. Backe and Darré proposed that the Erbhof farmers should assume collective responsibility for each other’s debts. The debts of all Erbhoefe, variously estimated at between 6 and 9 billion Reichsmarks, were to be transferred to the Rentenbank Kreditanstalt, a state-sponsored mortgage bank. The Rentenbank would repay the original creditors with interest ranging between 2 and 4 per cent depending on the security of the original loan. ” P183 [no more personal debt for these farmers, but collective debt]
Hitler approved of this plan, despite opposition from Junkers, some peasants and Schacht (as well as others). He then decided that it would go through, after negotiations. P184. Unfortunately for Darré and Schacht, they had to shelve the debt-relief idea and come up with a compromise ‘grant’ scheme instead for peasants who were in debt. P185 They also had to relax the inheritance elements of the law to appease the peasants. P185-186 Rate of enrollment for those farms that fitted the bill was high. It wasn’t enough to ‘transform the structure of land ownership in Germany.” P186 But it did have an impact. “It consolidated a group of farms whose average size nationally was just less than 20 hectares, a figure that was soon to be defined as the ideal size for efficient family farming in the new order of German agriculture.” P186
“The second fundamental step taken by Darré and Backe in the autumn of 1933 was the organization of the Reichsnaehrstand (RNS). It is not too much to say that the setting up of this organization and its associated system of price and production controls marked the end of the free market for agricultural produce in Germany. Agriculture and food production, which until the mid-nineteenth century had been overwhelmingly [-P187] the most important part of the German economy and which still in the 1930s constituted a very significant element of national product, were removed from the influence of market forces. As Backe clearly articulated even before 1933, the mechanism of price-setting was the key. The RNS made use of prices to regulate production.” P186-187
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2. "A state having state owned police and army is nothing special *dumbass*."
Interesting that you call me a dumbass, even though it is a special thing. State police were only created in the 1820's with the 'Metropolitan Police Act 1829', and the first centrally organized police force was created in 1667 by King Louis XIV to police Paris. Prior to this (and even after this), armed individuals were the 'police', with many employed by corporations or other individuals - a very private force if you ask me. A state police force is an incredibly modern thing in human history.
Same applies with state militaries. Professional standing state armies only really became a thing in the gunpowder era. Oliver Cromwell created the first standing army in Britain in 1645, prior to that, there wasn't a state army. Lords had their own armies, and these would then either fight with the Monarchy, or against it (or not at all). And, while there are examples of state armies across history, they were few and far between. For most of human history, armies were private affairs, with individuals owning them.
3. "And state directed unions actually hurt the workers"
Workers are irrelevant. All that matters for National-Socialism is the race. Again, National-Socialism (race) is not Marxist-Socialism (class), but it is still socialism (social, public, state group ownership or control of the means of production).
4. "Your assertion that every business had nazi guards to enforce production is laughable to say the least. If that were true they wouldnt have had enough troops to fight the war, there is nothing but a handful of anecdotal evidence which points to this."
Actually, this is why the Germans ran out of troops in 1941. Hitler had promised that the soldiers would return to the factories after Barbarossa, and they did, reducing the number of soldiers at the front.
5. I just want to reiterate that Nationalsocialism (race) is socialism, but is not Marxism (class).
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Schacht centralized and heavily regulated the electricity production industry, which then sparked a new plan of economic administration. This was all in 1935. [Tooze's Wages of Destruction P111-112]
"...in practice the Reichsbank and the Reich Ministry of Economic Affairs had no intention of allowing the radical activists of the SA, the shopfloor militants of the Nazi party or Gauleiter commissioners to dictate the course of events. Under the slogan of the 'strong state', the ministerial bureaucracy fashioned a new national structure of economic regulation." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112
“We worked and governed with incredible elan. We really ruled. For the bureaucrats of the Ministry the contrast to the Weimar Republic was stark. Party chatter in the Reichstag was no longer heard. The language of the bureaucracy was rid of the paralysing formula: technically right but politically impossible.” - Schacht, speaking of the situation after 1933. Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112-113
"It would be absurd to deny the reality of this shift. The crisis of corporate capitalism in the course of the Great Depression did permanently alter the balance of power. Never again was big business to influence the course of government in German as directly as it did between the outbreak of World War I in 1914 and the onset of the Depression in 1929. The Reich's economic administration, for its part, accumulated unprecedented powers of national economic control." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P113
“Control over domestic resources was paralleled by centralized control over imports. Both countries [Nazi and Soviet] controlled and restricted international trade.” Temin, P580
"Both governments reorganized industry into larger units, ostensibly to increase state control over economic activity. The Nazis reorganized industry into 13 administrative groups with a large number of subgroups to create a private hierarchy for state control. The state therefore could direct the firms’ activities without acquiring direct ownership of enterprises. The pre-existing tendency to form cartels was encouraged to eliminate competition that would destabilize prices.” Temin, P582-583
“The Soviets had made a similar move in the 1920s. Faced with a scarcity of administrative personnel, the state encouraged enterprises to combine into trusts and trusts to combine into syndicates. These large units continued into the 1930s where they were utilized to bridge the gap between overall plans and actual production.” Temin, P583
"“... this difference was not important to many decisions. The incentives for managers - both positive and negative - were very similar in the two countries. Consequently, their responses to the [Four or Five Year] plans were also similar. In neither case did the managers set the goals of the plans.” Temin, P590-591
“Like Hitler, Backe saw the mission of National Socialism as being the supersession of the rotten rule of the bourgeoisie. Far from being impractical, Backe’s ideology provided a grand historical rationale for the extreme protectionism already implemented by the nationalist agrarians. Far from being backward looking, Backe’s vision assigned to National Socialism the mission of achieving a reconciliations of the unresolved contradictions of nineteenth-century liberalism. It was not National Socialism but the Victorian ideology of the free market that was the outdated relic of a bygone era. After the economic disasters of the early 1930s there was no good reason to cling to such a dangerous archaic doctrine. The future belonged to a new system of economic organization capable of ensuring both the security of the national food supply and the maintenance of a healthy farming community as the source of racial vitality.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P174
[Tooze's Wages of Destruction P179-180] Because Germany didn’t have enough land to feed her population, both Backe and Hitler (and others) wanted to expand eastwards. The local populations were to be impacted by German ‘rearrangement’. “Those left in place were to serve as slave labour on German settler farms. The SS was to be the sword and shield of this settler movement.”
On the 26th of September 1933, Darré and Backe created the “Erbhof” law. [Tooze's Wages of Destruction P182]
“For the purpose of protecting the peasantry as the ‘Blood Source of the German People’, the law proposed to create a new category of farm, the Erbhof (hereditary farm), protected by debt, insulated from market forces and passed down from generation to generation within racially pure peasant families. The law applied to all farms that were sufficient in size to provide a German family with an adequate standard of living (an Achernahrung, later defined as a minimum of c. 7.5 hectares), but did not exceed 125 hectares.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P182
“The term ‘peasant’ (Bauer) was henceforth defined as an honorary title, reserved for those registered on the Role. Those not entered in the Erbhofrolle were henceforth to be referred to merely as ‘farmers’ (Landwirte). Entry in the Rolle protected the Erbhof for ever against the nightmare of repossession. By the same token, it also imposed constraints. Erbhoefe could not be sold. Nor could they be used as security against mortgages. Farms registered as Erbhoefe were thus removed from the free disposal of their immediate owners. Regardless of existing arrangements between spouses, Erbhoefe were to have a single, preferably male, owner who was required to document his line of descent, at least as far back as 1800, the same requirements as for civil servants. ‘Peasants’ were to be of German or ‘similar stock’ (Stammesgleich), a provision that excluded Jews, or anyone of partial Jewish descent.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P182-183
“The line of inheritance was now fixed in law.” P183 [clearly not free-market capitalism]
“Coupled with this extraordinary intervention in the property rights of German peasants was an equally drastic programme of debt reduction. Backe and Darré proposed that the Erbhof farmers should assume collective responsibility for each other’s debts. The debts of all Erbhoefe, variously estimated at between 6 and 9 billion Reichsmarks, were to be transferred to the Rentenbank Kreditanstalt, a state-sponsored mortgage bank. The Rentenbank would repay the original creditors with interest ranging between 2 and 4 per cent depending on the security of the original loan. ” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P183 [no more personal debt for these farmers, but collective debt]
Hitler approved of this plan, despite opposition from Junkers, some peasants and Schacht (as well as others). He then decided that it would go through, after negotiations. P184. Unfortunately for Darré and Schacht, they had to shelve the debt-relief idea and come up with a compromise ‘grant’ scheme instead for peasants who were in debt. P185 They also had to relax the inheritance elements of the law to appease the peasants. P185-186 Rate of enrollment for those farms that fitted the bill was high. It wasn’t enough to ‘transform the structure of land ownership in Germany.” P186 But it did have an impact. “It consolidated a group of farms whose average size nationally was just less than 20 hectares, a figure that was soon to be defined as the ideal size for efficient family farming in the new order of German agriculture.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P186
“The second fundamental step taken by Darré and Backe in the autumn of 1933 was the organization of the Reichsnaehrstand (RNS). It is not too much to say that the setting up of this organization and its associated system of price and production controls marked the end of the free market for agricultural produce in Germany. Agriculture and food production, which until the mid-nineteenth century had been overwhelmingly [-P187] the most important part of the German economy and which still in the 1930s constituted a very significant element of national product, were removed from the influence of market forces. As Backe clearly articulated even before 1933, the mechanism of price-setting was the key. The RNS made use of prices to regulate production.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P186-187
Therefore, what we have here is a planned socialist economy, not capitalism.
Sources -
Temin, P. “Soviet and Nazi Economic Planning in the 1930s.” From The Economic History Review, New Series, Vol. 44, No. 4 (Nov., 1991), pp. 573-593 (21 pages). Jstor. https://www.jstor.org/stable/2597802?seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents
Tooze, A. “Wages of Destruction: The Making & Breaking of The Nazi Economy.” Penguin Books, 2007.
Reimann, G. “The Vampire Economy: Doing Business under Fascism.” Kindle, Mises Institute, 2007. Originally written in 1939.
(Accessed 04/10/2018)
https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Reichstagsbrandverordnung
http://home.wlu.edu/~patchw/His_214/_handouts/Weimar%20constitution.htm
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Weimar_constitution
http://www.zum.de/psm/weimar/weimar_vve.php
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By law, individuals couldn't own property. Therefore, they cannot own businesses. The 'privatization' that took place, in fact, is a slight of hand. And there are many instances where the government exercised their power by seizing a person's personal property or businesses. The Nazis nationalized industries that didn't do as they insisted, then 're-privatized' them. But in reality those businesses could only function as part of the state, and were under control by the state, and weren't really owned by their owners.
"The Nazis viewed private property as conditional on its use - not as a fundamental right. If the property was not being used to further Nazi goals, it could be nationalized.” Temin, P576
“Prof. Junkers of the Junkers aeroplane factory refused to follow the government’s bidding in 1934. The Nazis thereupon took over the plant, compensating Junkers for his loss. This was the context in which other contracts were negotiated.” Temin, P576-577
“Manufacturers in Germany were panic-stricken when they heard of the experiences of some industrialists who were more or less expropriated [had their property seized] by the State. These industrialists were visited by State auditors who had strict orders to “examine” the balance sheets and all bookkeeping entries of the company (or individual businessman) for the preceding two, three, or more years until some error or false entry was found. The slightest formal mistake was punished with tremendous penalties. A fine of millions of marks was imposed for a single bookkeeping error. Obviously, the examination of the books was simply a pretext for partial expropriation of the private capitalist with a view to complete expropriation and seizure of the desired property later. The owner of the property was helpless, since under fascism there is no longer an independent judiciary that protects the property rights of private citizens against the state. The authoritarian State has made it a principle that private property is no longer sacred.” - Reimann, Chapter II (no page number, as on Kindle)
Reimann, in 1939, quotes from a German businessman’s letter to an American businessman -
“The difference between this and the Russian system is much less than you think, despite the fact that officially we are still independent businessmen.” “Some businessmen have even started studying Marxist theories, so that they will have a better understanding of the present economic system.” “How can we possibly manage a firm according to business principles if it is impossible to make any predictions as to the prices at which goods are to be bought and sold? We are completely dependent on arbitrary Government decisions concerning quantity, quality and prices for foreign raw materials.” “You cannot imagine how taxation has increased. Yet everyone is afraid to complain about it. The new State loans are nothing but confiscation of private property, because no one believed that the Government will ever make repayment, nor even pay interest after the first few years.” “We businessmen still make sufficient profit, sometimes even large profits, but we never know how much we are going to be able to keep…”
“The decree of February 28, 1933, nullified article 153 of the Weimar Constitution which guaranteed private property and restricted interference with private property in accordance with certain legally defined conditions … The conception of property has experienced a fundamental change. The individualistic conception of the State - a result of the liberal spirit - must give way to the concept that communal welfare precedes individual welfare. (Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz).” - Reimann, quoting from Jahrbuch des Oeffentlichen Rechtes der Gegenward, ed. by Otto Koellreuther (1935), p. 267.
“There exists no law which binds the State. The State can do what it regards as necessary, because it has the authority.” “The next stage of National-Socialist economic policy consists of replacing capitalist laws by policy.” - Fritz Nonnenbruch, the financial editor of the Voelkischer Beobachter (quoted by Reimann).
“The life of the German businessman is full of contradictions. He cordially dislikes the gigantic, top-heavy, bureaucratic State machine which is strangling his economic independence. Yet he needs the aid of these despised bureaucrats more and more, and is forced to run after them, begging for concessions, privileges, grants, in fear that his competitor will gain the advantage.” - Reimann
“Such a system also changes the psychology of businessmen. Their experiences teach them that the old right of property no longer exists. They find themselves compelled to respect the “national interest” or the “welfare of the community.”” “Businessmen must claim that everything they do, any new business for which they want a certificate, any preferment in the supply of raw materials, etc., is “in the interest of the national community.”” - Reimann
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Yes, except Three Arrow's video only confirms it wasn't Marxism, not socialism. In fact, as I've said to others in the comments, his video actually confirms it is socialism.
Socialism is the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). If it is the social (worker's state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy), then it's Marxism (which is what you think 'socialism' is). If it is the social (German/Aryan people's state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy), then it is National Socialism.
Therefore, there’s three things you need to realize. 1. socialism does not necessarily mean Marxist (class) Socialism. It could mean National (race) Socialism. 2. When I say National Socialism is socialism, I mean it’s socialism, not Marxism. 3. socialism is shown by the level of state control, which is opposite to capitalism, since capitalism is about less state control -
Capitalism is the private (individual, non-state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy).
Hitler is both anti-Marxist, and anti-capitalist because he thinks the Jews are causing a class crisis within capitalism to bring in Marxism, so that they can destroy the world. He therefore wants to bring in racial-socialism in order to stop this.
I will explain this ‘privatization’ that Three Arrows said happened.
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28 February 1933 -
Order of the Reich President for the Protection of People and State
On the basis of Article 48 paragraph 2 of the Constitution of the German Reich, the following is ordered in defense against Communist state-endangering acts of violence:
§ 1. Articles 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124 and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. It is therefore permissible to restrict the rights of personal freedom [habeas corpus], freedom of (opinion) expression, including the freedom of the press, the freedom to organize and assemble, the privacy of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communications. Warrants for House searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.”
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Articles of the Weimar Constitution affected -
Article 115.
The dwelling of every German is his sanctuary and is inviolable. Exceptions may be imposed only by authority of law.
Article 153.
Property shall be guaranteed by the constitution. Its nature and limits shall be prescribed by law.
Expropriation [noun, the action by the state or an authority of taking property from its owner for public use or benefit.] shall take place only for the general good and only on the basis of law. It shall be accompanied by payment of just compensation unless otherwise provided by national law. In case of dispute over the amount of compensation recourse to the ordinary courts shall be permitted, unless otherwise provided by national law. Expropriation by the Reich over against the states, municipalities, and associations serving the public welfare may take place only upon the payment of compensation.
Property imposes obligations. Its use by its owner shall at the same time serve the public good.
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To be continued...
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Well, I thank you for being civil! Some guy's just reported the video...
This goes back to Bernstein, one of the persons who buried Engels. He was a Marxist who realised that Marxism didn't work (he observed that living standards during capitalism were actually rising, not falling, as Marx predicted) and so started down the democratic socialist line. This caused a schism within Marxism, which ultimately is where the SPD and Labour Party comes from. To keep things short, Labour is socialist, but they're not Marxists. You describing yourself as democratic socialist, but wanting to take over all the means of production, is actually full-on Marxism (economically), but without the violent revolution (which is what Marx and Lenin wanted).
And yes, it seems a lot of people don't understand what socialism actually is. Some think it's "statelessness", which is actually the complete opposite of what it is. This is why the definition that it is the ownership or control of the means of production (business or economy) makes more sense, and fits with history quite nicely.
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He wasn't a communist, he was socialist (which came before Marx). However the point I'm making there is that the Nazis (who are watching this) are more like their enemies than they realise. In fact, Hitler said this himself in Mein Kampf. And he said the only difference between his ideology and their ideology is the race (rather than the class).
“The racial Weltanschauung [world view] is fundamentally distinguished from the Marxist by reason of the fact that the former recognizes the significance of race and therefore also personal worth and has made these the pillars of its structure.” - Hitler, A. "Mein Kampf." Jaico Publishing House, 2017. P406
“If the National Socialist Movement should fail to understand the fundamental importance of this essential principle, if it should merely varnish the external appearance of the present State and adopt the majority principle, it would really do nothing more than compete with Marxism on its own ground. For that reason it would not have the right to call itself a Weltanschauung. If the social programme of the movement consisted in eliminating personality and putting the multitude in its place, then National Socialism would be corrupted with the poison of Marxism, just as our national-bourgeois parties are.” - Hitler, A. "Mein Kampf." Jaico Publishing House, 2017. P406-407
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No, I related the two to point out to Nationalsocialists that they aren't that much different to the Marxists. There is a lot in common, not just their names.
Socialism is the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy).
If it is the social (worker's state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy), then it's Marxism.
If it is the social (German/Aryan people's state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy), then it is National Socialism.
This is in opposition to capitalism - Capitalism is the private (individual, non-state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy).
Therefore, there is little difference between the two socialisms. All that matters is which "social group" is in charge, and which "social groups" are the enemy. Bearing in mind that "social groups" like gender, class, or race don't actually exist and are fictional constructs in order to incite "belief" in the adherents of socialism. All humans are individuals - we are not bees in a braindead beehive. And individuals have the ability to reject socialism on the grounds that it is a "belief" against scientific thought, fact and reason.
"National socialism was neither right nor left"
It was and is absolutely on the Left.
"his national community encourages individual initiative as a form of social darvinism, but uses this ability for the good of the national community and not the individualistic interest of anyone inside the national socialist community"
You're contradicting yourself. Hitler speaks about individuals in Mein Kampf and says they are subordinate to the national community, which takes ownership. He is therefore saying, just as you have said yourself, that the interests of the community (or state) come before its citizens. This is further shown by his destruction of private property (below).
"the Fuhrer never ended private property, this is painfully inaccurate he just made property and individual innovation a tool for the national community"
I think you'll find that he did -
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28 February 1933 -
Order of the Reich President for the Protection of People and State
On the basis of Article 48 paragraph 2 of the Constitution of the German Reich, the following is ordered in defense against Communist state-endangering acts of violence:
§ 1. Articles 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124 and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. It is therefore permissible to restrict the rights of personal freedom [habeas corpus], freedom of (opinion) expression, including the freedom of the press, the freedom to organize and assemble, the privacy of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communications. Warrants for House searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.”
...
Articles of the Weimar Constitution affected -
Article 115.
The dwelling of every German is his sanctuary and is inviolable. Exceptions may be imposed only by authority of law.
Article 153.
Property shall be guaranteed by the constitution. Its nature and limits shall be prescribed by law.
Expropriation [noun, the action by the state or an authority of taking property from its owner for public use or benefit.] shall take place only for the general good and only on the basis of law. It shall be accompanied by payment of just compensation unless otherwise provided by national law. In case of dispute over the amount of compensation recourse to the ordinary courts shall be permitted, unless otherwise provided by national law. Expropriation by the Reich over against the states, municipalities, and associations serving the public welfare may take place only upon the payment of compensation.
Property imposes obligations. Its use by its owner shall at the same time serve the public good.
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By law, individuals couldn't own property.
"The Nazis viewed private property as conditional on its use - not as a fundamental right. If the property was not being used to further Nazi goals, it could be nationalized.” Temin, P576
“Prof. Junkers of the Junkers aeroplane factory refused to follow the government’s bidding in 1934. The Nazis thereupon took over the plant, compensating Junkers for his loss. This was the context in which other contracts were negotiated.” Temin, P576-577
“Manufacturers in Germany were panic-stricken when they heard of the experiences of some industrialists who were more or less expropriated [had their property seized] by the State. These industrialists were visited by State auditors who had strict orders to “examine” the balance sheets and all bookkeeping entries of the company (or individual businessman) for the preceding two, three, or more years until some error or false entry was found. The slightest formal mistake was punished with tremendous penalties. A fine of millions of marks was imposed for a single bookkeeping error. Obviously, the examination of the books was simply a pretext for partial expropriation of the private capitalist with a view to complete expropriation and seizure of the desired property later. The owner of the property was helpless, since under fascism there is no longer an independent judiciary that protects the property rights of private citizens against the state. The authoritarian State has made it a principle that private property is no longer sacred.” - Reimann, Chapter II (no page number, as on Kindle)
Reimann, in 1939, quotes from a German businessman’s letter to an American businessman -
“The difference between this and the Russian system is much less than you think, despite the fact that officially we are still independent businessmen.” “Some businessmen have even started studying Marxist theories, so that they will have a better understanding of the present economic system.” “How can we possibly manage a firm according to business principles if it is impossible to make any predictions as to the prices at which goods are to be bought and sold? We are completely dependent on arbitrary Government decisions concerning quantity, quality and prices for foreign raw materials.” “You cannot imagine how taxation has increased. Yet everyone is afraid to complain about it. The new State loans are nothing but confiscation of private property, because no one believed that the Government will ever make repayment, nor even pay interest after the first few years.” “We businessmen still make sufficient profit, sometimes even large profits, but we never know how much we are going to be able to keep…”
Sources -
Temin, P. “Soviet and Nazi Economic Planning in the 1930s.” From The Economic History Review, New Series, Vol. 44, No. 4 (Nov., 1991), pp. 573-593 (21 pages). Jstor. https://www.jstor.org/stable/2597802?seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents
Tooze, A. “Wages of Destruction: The Making & Breaking of The Nazi Economy.” Penguin Books, 2007.
Reimann, G. “The Vampire Economy: Doing Business under Fascism.” Kindle, Mises Institute, 2007. Originally written in 1939.
(Accessed 04/10/2018)
https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Reichstagsbrandverordnung
http://home.wlu.edu/~patchw/His_214/_handouts/Weimar%20constitution.htm
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Weimar_constitution
http://www.zum.de/psm/weimar/weimar_vve.php
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Ok, but Mussolini was a socialist (Fascism is socialism, but not National Socialism) and therefore on one end of the spectrum or another. Capitalism is on the opposite end to socialism, since it's a question of how much government control (lots of control=socialism, limited control=capitalism). From what I can see, Distributism can only exist with government intervention, since it doesn't occur naturally and could only exist if the government restricted the natural progression of the economy. It's also regressive, since it requires people to own land and work on their land only (e.g. farmers and small tradesmen), and has the 'belief' in returning to the family unit as the dominant "social group" (which is what the ancient Romans and Greeks used). That is definitely leaning towards socialism, since it requires state control and envisions a utopian society. This may not be classed as 'socialism', but it's definitely in the middle between all-out socialism and capitalism. I don't think it requires a triangle to express this.
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You can fight National Socialism and Monarchism as a socialist. Being a socialist does not automatically make you a Nationalsocialist. Your argument doesn't make any sense because you think that socialism is all about class. That is the fundamental mistake you're making.
All Three Arrow's video does is confirm that it wasn't Marxist-Socialism... which it wasn't.
Socialism is the social ownership of the means of production. If it is the social (worker) ownership of the means of production, then it's Marxism. If it is the social (German/Aryan) ownership of the means of production, then it is National Socialism.
If a businessman was German, then he is allowed to have property and businesses. If he was foreign, or Jewish, he wouldn't be allowed to have property or businesses because National Socialism is the social (German) ownership of the means of production. Germans can have businesses and private property. HOWEVER, the Race comes first. So, if the Race/state decides that you're not working for the race/state, you and your property and businesses can be seized, for the greater-German (socialist) race.
If you are non-German, your property and businesses are to be seized and you are to be 'removed' from society. The only issue is how the state will remove you. The Final Solution to that problem was execution.
For a Marxist, socialism is the social (worker) ownership of the means of production. This is different.
When talking about the Strength Through Joy program at 14:00 in, the narrator even says "the program was intended to replace the demand for trade unions and prevent class consciousness from developing, that might have become a threat to the Nazi government. The program didn't separate between the average workers and their bosses in an attempt to get people behind the idea on a community based on ethnicity_" Yes, that's because Hitler was anti-Marxist. He wanted to promote an _ethnic version of socialism, not class socialism. This video actually confirms this.
At around 15:50 he says it was a planned economy, but that the means of production remained in private hands "if you were German, that is". And the owners of the means of production had to obey what the Nazis said, which is exactly what a racist version of socialism is. At 16:25 "from that point on, the economy was in complete control of the government" - yep, sounds very free market capitalist to me... He says this was done for the war - except we know it was done from 1933 onwards, and had infact been implimented by 1935 at the latest.
18:00 onwards he talks about why there was anti-capitalism in the Nationalsocialist German Workers Party... and then fails to understand that it was anti-capitalist. If it was anti-capitalist, and got rid of trade unions (which are actually allowed under capitalism), and ended trade with the outside world in favour of autarky, then how can it also be pro-capitalist? The reason industry was nationalised and then privatized again was because the Nationalsocialist Party had "socialized the people", to quote Hitler. He didn't need to nationalize the industries, since they had removed the other races from business. The social race owned the means of production, not the class.
He mentions the socialisation of the health industry at around 24:00, but fails to grasp its significance. I think this is because he doesn't fully understand that socialism is not necessarily based on class. Again, socialism is the social ownership of the means of production. If it is the social (worker) ownership of the means of production, then it's Marxism. If it is the social (German/Aryan) ownership of the means of production, then it is National Socialism. The Nazis were socialists.
He talks about the secret state police (Gestapo) at around 30:00. Again, failing to see that the state police are able to forcefully remove you from society if you do not conform, saying "being tortured, gassed, and worked to death". Ok then, who owned the torture chambers? Which private business owned the gas chambers? Who owned the police? Who owned the slave labour camps of the Reich, or allocated them to German industries? It was the socialist (public) state.
He asks the question "was Hitler influenced by Marx?" The answer is yes - which I agree. I agree he detested Marxism. "There are some passages in Mein Kampf where Hitler talks about socialism and seems to be in support of it" - hmmmm... maybe that's because socialism is not Marxism. But no, he does down the "he tricked the workers with the word 'socialism'" route, which just doesn't add up. He then quotes from a book which states "Since struggle among nations would be decisive for future survival, Germany's economy had to be subordinated to the preparation, then carrying out, of this struggle. This meant that liberal ideas of economic competition had to be replaced by the subjection of the economy to the dictates of the national interest." "...the state, not the market, would determine the shape of economic development. Capitalism was, therefore, left in place [directly contradicted by the next sentence]. But in operation it was turned into an adjunct of the state."
He then goes on to accuse anyone who thinks that Nationalsocialism is Left Wing is only doing so because they have an agenda, and because we refuse to think about the other side. Actually, I also believed National Socialism wasn't socialism, and that it was capitalism, and that it couldn't be socialism because it wasn't based on class... until about a couple weeks before this video. For most of my life I have thought that National Socialism was capitalism. Now I see that Nationalsocialism is anti-capitalism, anti-Marxist, and socialism.
He then concludes - "They're anti-semitic, anti-Marxist, extremely nationalistic, and favoured expansion - all undeniably positions of the German Right."
Really? Because the reason Hitler wanted to expand Eastwards was the same reason he was anti-capitalist and anti-Marxist. He thought that the capitalist-class-struggle was created by the Jews, so that they could bring about Marxism, allowing them to become equal to the Aryan, and thus impregnate and mix the blood of the Aryan, which would in-turn bring down the fall of civilization. Hitler therefore wants to end capitalism to stop the class struggle, bring about a socialist-German-Aryan state, destroy Marxism, and destroy the Jews. Yes, there are elements of nationalism in there, but there's also socialism in there too. That's why it's called (drum roll) Nationalsocialism.
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"Granted it is sometimes very hard to separate one's personal opinions from facts"
Except I'm the one who's provided the facts.
What you said is not a counterargument. I've given you a bunch of evidence that clearly shows that this was socialism, and you've responded with "this is just fucking ridiculous". That's not a counterargument. And the reason you've responded with that is because you've lost the argument.
And also, how would I lose your respect by making a solid counterargument? You told me I "goofed", I said I didn't, you then provided me with a link as an argument, I've challenged that argument and shown that it doesn't hold up, and now you're upset that I made a solid counterargument. That doesn't make any sense.
If you know that National Socialism isn't socialism, then it should be very easy for you to be able to prove it. The fact that you're now struggling to do so should be an indication to you.
The way this works is simple. I state something like "Hitler is blonde" and give evidence. Then, if this isn't the case, people have the opportunity to state their evidence against it. If the evidence supports the idea that Hitler wasn't blonde, great, my argument has been disproven and we can solidly confirm that Hitler wasn't blonde.
However, if I provide a compelling argument that says "Hitler is blonde" and you fail to disprove that, then there isn't enough evidence to back up the counterargument and we can conclude that Hitler is blonde. Now, if you disagree with that, fine, but more research needs to be done if we are to prove that Hitler wasn't blonde. This is called the Scientific Method.
From day 1 of me doing history on this channel, that is what I've done. First video came out and I went against the grain, saying Gavin of the 82nd Airborne was to blame for Market Garden. There are counterarguments, but they don't hold up. Therefore, I've stuck to my guns. Eventually, someone will make a decent counterargument, and as I said, I will change my mind when one is made. But for now, Gavin of the 82nd Airborne (and probably Browning too) are to blame.
The same applies with other videos of mine, including this one. I will stick to my guns until an effective counterargument is made. But when one is made, it should hold up to scrutiny. Currently, the counterarguments made DO NOT hold up to scrutiny, which suggests they're based on poor research or a faulty premise.
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“Control over domestic resources was paralleled by centralized control over imports. Both countries [Nazi and Soviet] controlled and restricted international trade.” Temin, P580
"Both governments reorganized industry into larger units, ostensibly to increase state control over economic activity. The Nazis reorganized industry into 13 administrative groups with a large number of subgroups to create a private hierarchy for state control. The state therefore could direct the firms’ activities without acquiring direct ownership of enterprises. The pre-existing tendency to form cartels was encouraged to eliminate competition that would destabilize prices.” Temin, P582-583
“The Soviets had made a similar move in the 1920s. Faced with a scarcity of administrative personnel, the state encouraged enterprises to combine into trusts and trusts to combine into syndicates. These large units continued into the 1930s where they were utilized to bridge the gap between overall plans and actual production.” Temin, P583
"“... this difference was not important to many decisions. The incentives for managers - both positive and negative - were very similar in the two countries. Consequently, their responses to the [Four or Five Year] plans were also similar. In neither case did the managers set the goals of the plans.” Temin, P590-591
“Like Hitler, Backe saw the mission of National Socialism as being the supersession of the rotten rule of the bourgeoisie. Far from being impractical, Backe’s ideology provided a grand historical rationale for the extreme protectionism already implemented by the nationalist agrarians. Far from being backward looking, Backe’s vision assigned to National Socialism the mission of achieving a reconciliations of the unresolved contradictions of nineteenth-century liberalism. It was not National Socialism but the Victorian ideology of the free market that was the outdated relic of a bygone era. After the economic disasters of the early 1930s there was no good reason to cling to such a dangerous archaic doctrine. The future belonged to a new system of economic organization capable of ensuring both the security of the national food supply and the maintenance of a healthy farming community as the source of racial vitality.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P174
[Tooze's Wages of Destruction P179-180] Because Germany didn’t have enough land to feed her population, both Backe and Hitler (and others) wanted to expand eastwards. The local populations were to be impacted by German ‘rearrangement’. “Those left in place were to serve as slave labour on German settler farms. The SS was to be the sword and shield of this settler movement.”
On the 26th of September 1933, Darré and Backe created the “Erbhof” law. [Tooze's Wages of Destruction P182]
“For the purpose of protecting the peasantry as the ‘Blood Source of the German People’, the law proposed to create a new category of farm, the Erbhof (hereditary farm), protected by debt, insulated from market forces and passed down from generation to generation within racially pure peasant families. The law applied to all farms that were sufficient in size to provide a German family with an adequate standard of living (an Achernahrung, later defined as a minimum of c. 7.5 hectares), but did not exceed 125 hectares.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P182
“The term ‘peasant’ (Bauer) was henceforth defined as an honorary title, reserved for those registered on the Role. Those not entered in the Erbhofrolle were henceforth to be referred to merely as ‘farmers’ (Landwirte). Entry in the Rolle protected the Erbhof for ever against the nightmare of repossession. By the same token, it also imposed constraints. Erbhoefe could not be sold. Nor could they be used as security against mortgages. Farms registered as Erbhoefe were thus removed from the free disposal of their immediate owners. Regardless of existing arrangements between spouses, Erbhoefe were to have a single, preferably male, owner who was required to document his line of descent, at least as far back as 1800, the same requirements as for civil servants. ‘Peasants’ were to be of German or ‘similar stock’ (Stammesgleich), a provision that excluded Jews, or anyone of partial Jewish descent.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P182-183
“The line of inheritance was now fixed in law.” P183 [clearly not free-market capitalism]
“Coupled with this extraordinary intervention in the property rights of German peasants was an equally drastic programme of debt reduction. Backe and Darré proposed that the Erbhof farmers should assume collective responsibility for each other’s debts. The debts of all Erbhoefe, variously estimated at between 6 and 9 billion Reichsmarks, were to be transferred to the Rentenbank Kreditanstalt, a state-sponsored mortgage bank. The Rentenbank would repay the original creditors with interest ranging between 2 and 4 per cent depending on the security of the original loan. ” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P183 [no more personal debt for these farmers, but collective debt]
Hitler approved of this plan, despite opposition from Junkers, some peasants and Schacht (as well as others). He then decided that it would go through, after negotiations. P184. Unfortunately for Darré and Schacht, they had to shelve the debt-relief idea and come up with a compromise ‘grant’ scheme instead for peasants who were in debt. P185 They also had to relax the inheritance elements of the law to appease the peasants. P185-186 Rate of enrollment for those farms that fitted the bill was high. It wasn’t enough to ‘transform the structure of land ownership in Germany.” P186 But it did have an impact. “It consolidated a group of farms whose average size nationally was just less than 20 hectares, a figure that was soon to be defined as the ideal size for efficient family farming in the new order of German agriculture.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P186
“The second fundamental step taken by Darré and Backe in the autumn of 1933 was the organization of the Reichsnaehrstand (RNS). It is not too much to say that the setting up of this organization and its associated system of price and production controls marked the end of the free market for agricultural produce in Germany. Agriculture and food production, which until the mid-nineteenth century had been overwhelmingly [-P187] the most important part of the German economy and which still in the 1930s constituted a very significant element of national product, were removed from the influence of market forces. As Backe clearly articulated even before 1933, the mechanism of price-setting was the key. The RNS made use of prices to regulate production.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P186-187
So, with the above quotes, we can see that private property was abolished and that the capitalist businessmen were in trouble. They were not, as some claim, "supporting Hitler" and ruling the roost. They were under the socialist thumb. Similarly we have a heavy-state involvement in land reform in order to ‘socialize’ it. We also have price controls and high taxes restricting any effective ‘capitalism’ that may have been going on in the economy. All this is in addition to the fact that Hitler had restricted Germany’s trade with the world (“international-Jewish-finance” as he called it), severely limiting capitalism. Therefore, what we have here is a planned socialist economy, not capitalism.
Sources -
Temin, P. “Soviet and Nazi Economic Planning in the 1930s.” From The Economic History Review, New Series, Vol. 44, No. 4 (Nov., 1991), pp. 573-593 (21 pages). Jstor. https://www.jstor.org/stable/2597802?seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents
Tooze, A. “Wages of Destruction: The Making & Breaking of The Nazi Economy.” Penguin Books, 2007.
Reimann, G. “The Vampire Economy: Doing Business under Fascism.” Kindle, Mises Institute, 2007. Originally written in 1939.
(Accessed 04/10/2018)
https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Reichstagsbrandverordnung
http://home.wlu.edu/~patchw/His_214/_handouts/Weimar%20constitution.htm
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Weimar_constitution
http://www.zum.de/psm/weimar/weimar_vve.php
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Ok, I'll just counter the idea that this was capitalism.
Hitler is both anti-Marxist, and anti-capitalist because he thinks the Jews are causing a class crisis within capitalism to bring in Marxism, so that they can destroy the world. He therefore wants to bring in racial-socialism in order to stop this.
I will explain this ‘privatization’.
28 February 1933 -
Order of the Reich President for the Protection of People and State
On the basis of Article 48 paragraph 2 of the Constitution of the German Reich, the following is ordered in defense against Communist state-endangering acts of violence:
§ 1. Articles 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124 and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. It is therefore permissible to restrict the rights of personal freedom [habeas corpus], freedom of (opinion) expression, including the freedom of the press, the freedom to organize and assemble, the privacy of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communications. Warrants for House searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.”
...
Articles of the Weimar Constitution affected -
Article 115.
The dwelling of every German is his sanctuary and is inviolable. Exceptions may be imposed only by authority of law.
Article 153.
Property shall be guaranteed by the constitution. Its nature and limits shall be prescribed by law.
Expropriation [noun, the action by the state or an authority of taking property from its owner for public use or benefit.] shall take place only for the general good and only on the basis of law. It shall be accompanied by payment of just compensation unless otherwise provided by national law. In case of dispute over the amount of compensation recourse to the ordinary courts shall be permitted, unless otherwise provided by national law. Expropriation by the Reich over against the states, municipalities, and associations serving the public welfare may take place only upon the payment of compensation.
Property imposes obligations. Its use by its owner shall at the same time serve the public good.
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By law, individuals couldn't own property. Therefore, they cannot own businesses. The 'privatization' that took place, in fact, is a slight of hand. And there are many instances where the government exercised their power by seizing a person's personal property or businesses. The Nazis nationalized industries that didn't do as they insisted, then 're-privatized' them. But in reality those businesses could only function as part of the state, and were under control by the state, and weren't really owned by their owners.
"The Nazis viewed private property as conditional on its use - not as a fundamental right. If the property was not being used to further Nazi goals, it could be nationalized.” Temin, P576
“Prof. Junkers of the Junkers aeroplane factory refused to follow the government’s bidding in 1934. The Nazis thereupon took over the plant, compensating Junkers for his loss. This was the context in which other contracts were negotiated.” Temin, P576-577
“Manufacturers in Germany were panic-stricken when they heard of the experiences of some industrialists who were more or less expropriated [had their property seized] by the State. These industrialists were visited by State auditors who had strict orders to “examine” the balance sheets and all bookkeeping entries of the company (or individual businessman) for the preceding two, three, or more years until some error or false entry was found. The slightest formal mistake was punished with tremendous penalties. A fine of millions of marks was imposed for a single bookkeeping error. Obviously, the examination of the books was simply a pretext for partial expropriation of the private capitalist with a view to complete expropriation and seizure of the desired property later. The owner of the property was helpless, since under fascism there is no longer an independent judiciary that protects the property rights of private citizens against the state. The authoritarian State has made it a principle that private property is no longer sacred.” - Reimann, Chapter II (no page number, as on Kindle)
Reimann, in 1939, quotes from a German businessman’s letter to an American businessman -
“The difference between this and the Russian system is much less than you think, despite the fact that officially we are still independent businessmen.” “Some businessmen have even started studying Marxist theories, so that they will have a better understanding of the present economic system.” “How can we possibly manage a firm according to business principles if it is impossible to make any predictions as to the prices at which goods are to be bought and sold? We are completely dependent on arbitrary Government decisions concerning quantity, quality and prices for foreign raw materials.” “You cannot imagine how taxation has increased. Yet everyone is afraid to complain about it. The new State loans are nothing but confiscation of private property, because no one believed that the Government will ever make repayment, nor even pay interest after the first few years.” “We businessmen still make sufficient profit, sometimes even large profits, but we never know how much we are going to be able to keep…”
“The decree of February 28, 1933, nullified article 153 of the Weimar Constitution which guaranteed private property and restricted interference with private property in accordance with certain legally defined conditions … The conception of property has experienced a fundamental change. The individualistic conception of the State - a result of the liberal spirit - must give way to the concept that communal welfare precedes individual welfare. (Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz).” - Reimann, quoting from Jahrbuch des Oeffentlichen Rechtes der Gegenward, ed. by Otto Koellreuther (1935), p. 267.
“There exists no law which binds the State. The State can do what it regards as necessary, because it has the authority.” “The next stage of National-Socialist economic policy consists of replacing capitalist laws by policy.” - Fritz Nonnenbruch, the financial editor of the Voelkischer Beobachter (quoted by Reimann).
“The life of the German businessman is full of contradictions. He cordially dislikes the gigantic, top-heavy, bureaucratic State machine which is strangling his economic independence. Yet he needs the aid of these despised bureaucrats more and more, and is forced to run after them, begging for concessions, privileges, grants, in fear that his competitor will gain the advantage.” - Reimann
“Such a system also changes the psychology of businessmen. Their experiences teach them that the old right of property no longer exists. They find themselves compelled to respect the “national interest” or the “welfare of the community.”” “Businessmen must claim that everything they do, any new business for which they want a certificate, any preferment in the supply of raw materials, etc., is “in the interest of the national community.”” - Reimann
Schacht centralized and heavily regulated the electricity production industry, which then sparked a new plan of economic administration. This was all in 1935. [Tooze's Wages of Destruction P111-112]
"...in practice the Reichsbank and the Reich Ministry of Economic Affairs had no intention of allowing the radical activists of the SA, the shopfloor militants of the Nazi party or Gauleiter commissioners to dictate the course of events. Under the slogan of the 'strong state', the ministerial bureaucracy fashioned a new national structure of economic regulation." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112
“We worked and governed with incredible elan. We really ruled. For the bureaucrats of the Ministry the contrast to the Weimar Republic was stark. Party chatter in the Reichstag was no longer heard. The language of the bureaucracy was rid of the paralysing formula: technically right but politically impossible.” - Schacht, speaking of the situation after 1933. Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112-113
"It would be absurd to deny the reality of this shift. The crisis of corporate capitalism in the course of the Great Depression did permanently alter the balance of power. Never again was big business to influence the course of government in German as directly as it did between the outbreak of World War I in 1914 and the onset of the Depression in 1929. The Reich's economic administration, for its part, accumulated unprecedented powers of national economic control." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P113
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"Socially, they outlawed homosexuality, banned divorce in many instances, banned abortion, introduced conscription and compulsory military service, introduced widespread censorship and state control of all broadcasting, media and arts, These are not the policies of Socialists, but of Corporate state fascists."
Look at that list again and tell me which of those policies is state control of the economy? Because common-control of the means of production (state control of the economy) is socialism.
Socialism is a rejection of private-control of the means of production (individual control of the economy). Socialism is collectivism, or social groups. Class group, racial group, gender group, national-group... Now was National Socialism about all about racial-groups or was it all about individuals having lots of freedom?
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"The thing is you seem to think Socialism is race-based rather than Class-based."
No I don't, read my above comment again. If it is class-based, then it's Marxism. If it's race-base, then it's National Socialism.
Marxism isn't the only form of socialism.
"The difference between Capitalism and Socialism relates to what Class is in control, not the race."
No, socialism is the social (public) ownership of the means of production. If it is the social (worker) ownership of the means of production, then it's Marxism. If it is the social (German/Aryan) ownership of the means of production, then it is National Socialism.
What you are describing is Marxist socialism.
"I'm sure you are well aware that Hitler was funded by many millionaires and aristocrats"
Were they Jewish millionaires? No, they were German millionaires because to the National Socialists the race came first. You could own your own property and factories etc if you were German. But if you didn't work towards the race, or if the race/state/Hitler and the Party thought you weren't playing ball, or if the state needed your property, you could have everything taken off you and have yourself thrown into a camp.
By 1934, National Socialist Germany had shut her borders to world trade. They sent militants from the Party into businesses, industries, shops etc and brought in the Party policy, and dictated policy what resources the businesses would get and how they would treat their German staff etc. They shut down Trady Unions (which were seen as Judeo-Marxist institutions) and replaced them with the German Labour Front. The removed the Jews and other races from society, placed them in ghettos, concentration camps and death camps, in order to find a Final Solution to the race 'problem'.
This was a racial-socialist government, not a class-socialist government. So you bringing up class as a way of saying this wasn't socialism is actually irrelevant. Apart from ending the class-struggle by favouring the race, this has nothing to do with the working class owning the means of production, because this is racial-socialism.
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I subscribe to the idea that if you waffle on and on about Biblo eating berries in the woods, and the reader is falling asleep, you're not doing it right. Also, using terribly pretentious language with sentences that go on for years, and paragraphs that don't end, you're also doing it wrong. I'm not reading to think "oh, I wonder if this guy's smart and knows what antidisestablishmentarianism is", I'm there for the story or the information. If you're unable to write a book that keeps the reader gripped, you've failed (since that's a very important element). And while Shakespeare doesn't waffle on and on like the other two, he's severely overrated.
In the non-fiction world, the same basic principles apply. Plain and easy language, flow, no waffle, straight to the point, lots of information, conveys the story, keeps the reader interested - brilliant. Couldn't ask for more.
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"I love you and all TIK... but political science really doesn't seem to be one of your strengths due to this overly simplistic notion you have of capitalism and socialism."
Actually politics and economics is absolutely my strength, more than military history. However, this video was targetted at Nazis, not Marxists, who I assumed actually knew the definition of socialism. Turns out, they either don't, or they're deliberately trying to change the definition because socialism doesn't work.
"And yes I have read and seen your rebuttals to much of the criticism towards this video, but I'm sorry they just don't hold up."
Neither does your rebuttal to my definitions.
"I would love to add to that, but there isn't really anything I could say now that hasn't already been said."
And I've already disputed what has been said, backed by solid evidence and definitions.
"Yes, there are different kinds of socialism including some that are pretty horrible. But Nazism has far too many contradictions to be considered part of the same category"
There's no difference.
"and YES as much as you like to say otherwise the economic structure of Nazi Germany was capitalism."
Capitalism is the private ownership of the means of production. How can it be capitalism if private property has been abolished and the state is in control of the means of production? Oh yes, it can't.
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"Just because the state had power in the private industry of Germany doesn't make them socialist, for one because 'state control' isn't even what socialism is to begin with."
I think you'll find that it is.
Google’s definition of socialism - “a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.”
“any economic or political system based on government ownership and control of important businesses and methods of production” “an economic, political, and social system that is based on the belief that all people are equal and should share equally in a country's money:” https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/socialism
“1. any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods” “2. a system of society or group living in which there is no private property” “b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state” “: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done” https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism
“Socialism is a set of left-wing political principles whose general aim is to create a system in which everyone has an equal opportunity to benefit from a country's wealth. Under socialism, the country's main industries are usually owned by the state.” “1.
an economic theory or system in which the means of production, distribution, and exchange are owned by the community collectively, usually through the state. It is characterized by production for use rather than profit, by equality of individual wealth, by the absence of competitive economic activity, and, usually, by government determination of investment, prices, and production levels” “2. any of various social or political theories or movements in which the common welfare is to be achieved through the establishment of a socialist economic system” “3. (in Leninist theory) a transitional stage after the proletarian revolution in the development of a society from capitalism to communism: characterized by the distribution of income according to work rather than need”
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/socialism
“1 A political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.” “The term ‘socialism’ has been used to describe positions as far apart as anarchism, Soviet state Communism, and social democracy; however, it necessarily implies an opposition to the untrammelled workings of the economic market. The socialist parties that have arisen in most European countries from the late 19th century have generally tended towards social democracy” https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/socialism
“An economic system in which goods and services are provided through a central system of cooperative and/or government ownership rather than through competition and a free market system.”
http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/socialism.html
“Socialism started out being defined as “government ownership of the means of production,” which is why the government of the Soviet Union confiscated all businesses, factories, and farms, murdering millions of dissenters and resistors in the process. It is also why socialist political parties in Europe, once in power, nationalized as many of the major industries (steel, automobiles, coal mines, electricity, telephone services) as they could. The Labour Party in post-World War II Great Britain would be an example of this.” - Dilorenzo, T. “The Problem with Socialism.” Regnery Publishing, Kindle 2016.
“The great majority of those I have asked, all of them qualified to speak with authority, not only give a definition, but their definitions come remarkably close together.” - “Socialism is the public ownership and operation of all the means of production.” - “Socialism ... is the collective ownership, through the state, of all the means of production and distribution.” “Socialism… is a proposed reorganization of industrial society which would substitute for the private ownership of land and the instruments of production public ownership, and for the private direction and management of industry, direction and management through public officials.” - “...the common ownership and operation of substantially all productive instruments.” - “Socialism is the collective ownership and democratic management of the social means of production for the common good.” - “Socialism… is that contemplated system of society which proposes the abolition of private property in the great material instruments of production, and the substitution therefor of collective property; and advocates the collective management of production, together with the distribution of social income by society, and private property in the larger proportion of this social income.” - [And this just goes on and on like this, with numerous people from 1911 saying the exact same thing.] From “The American Economic Review, Vol. 1, No. 2, Papers and Discussions of theTwenty-third Annual Meeting (Apr., 1911), pp. 347-354”
The Labour Party 2017 manifesto’s motto is “For the Many: Not the Few”. https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/labour-manifesto-2017.pdf On Page 4 states - “Labour will invest in the cutting-edge jobs and industries of the future that can improve everybody’s lives. Which is why this manifesto outlines a fully costed programme to upgrade our economy.” “Labour will change the law so that banks can’t close a branch where there is a clear local need, putting their customers first.” - which will increase costs and lower competition, P16. “Reinstate the lower small-business corporation tax rate” - decreasing the chance of small businesses and start-ups, creating an economy, P18. “Widening ownership of our economy” - is the headline on Page 19, stating “Many basic goods and services have been taken out of democratic control through privatisation.” “Bring private rail companies back into public ownership…” “Reverse the privatisation of Royal Mail at the earliest opportunity.” “Public ownership will benefit consumers [by increasing costs and prices, lowering productivity, and increasing taxes for the consumer?], ensuring that their interests are put first and that there is democratic accountability for the service.” That sounds exactly like state control and ownership of the economy.
So, what we have here is a clear definition of socialism. Socialism is the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). This is opposite to capitalism, which is the private (individual, non-state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). Socialism involves the abolishment of private property, state ownership or control of the means of production, and leads to policies like Autarky, nationalisation, and collectivisation. But the principle element is state control of the means of production, which is where the term “public sector” comes into it.
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@Danilo Popović Yes, they did abolish private property in the Reichstag Fire Decree of 1933. To quote Temin's “Soviet and Nazi Economic Planning in the 1930s.” -
"The Nazis viewed private property as conditional on its use - not as a fundamental right. If the property was not being used to further Nazi goals, it could be nationalized.” Temin, P576
The 'privatization' that took place is, in fact, a slight of hand. And there are many instances where the government exercised their power by seizing a person's personal property or businesses - especially the Jews, but not just the Jews. The Nazis nationalized industries that didn't do as they insisted, then 're-privatized' them. But in reality those businesses could only function as part of the state, and were under control by the state, and weren't really owned by their owners.
Reimann's "Vampire Economy", written in 1939 by a Marxist in hiding (so a primary source document), quotes from a German businessman’s letter to an American businessman -
“The difference between this and the Russian system is much less than you think, despite the fact that officially we are still independent businessmen.” “Some businessmen have even started studying Marxist theories, so that they will have a better understanding of the present economic system.” “How can we possibly manage a firm according to business principles if it is impossible to make any predictions as to the prices at which goods are to be bought and sold? We are completely dependent on arbitrary Government decisions concerning quantity, quality and prices for foreign raw materials.” “You cannot imagine how taxation has increased. Yet everyone is afraid to complain about it. The new State loans are nothing but confiscation of private property, because no one believed that the Government will ever make repayment, nor even pay interest after the first few years.” “We businessmen still make sufficient profit, sometimes even large profits, but we never know how much we are going to be able to keep…”
And -
“The decree of February 28, 1933, nullified article 153 of the Weimar Constitution which guaranteed private property and restricted interference with private property in accordance with certain legally defined conditions … The conception of property has experienced a fundamental change. The individualistic conception of the State - a result of the liberal spirit - must give way to the concept that communal welfare precedes individual welfare. (Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz).” - Reimann, quoting from Jahrbuch des Oeffentlichen Rechtes der Gegenward, ed. by Otto Koellreuther (1935), p. 267.
"...in practice the Reichsbank and the Reich Ministry of Economic Affairs had no intention of allowing the radical activists of the SA, the shopfloor militants of the Nazi party or Gauleiter commissioners to dictate the course of events. Under the slogan of the 'strong state', the ministerial bureaucracy fashioned a new national structure of economic regulation." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112
“We worked and governed with incredible elan. We really ruled. For the bureaucrats of the Ministry the contrast to the Weimar Republic was stark. Party chatter in the Reichstag was no longer heard. The language of the bureaucracy was rid of the paralysing formula: technically right but politically impossible.” - Schacht, speaking of the situation after 1933. Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112-113
"It would be absurd to deny the reality of this shift. The crisis of corporate capitalism in the course of the Great Depression did permanently alter the balance of power. Never again was big business to influence the course of government in German as directly as it did between the outbreak of World War I in 1914 and the onset of the Depression in 1929. The Reich's economic administration, for its part, accumulated unprecedented powers of national economic control." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P113
“Control over domestic resources was paralleled by centralized control over imports. Both countries [Nazi and Soviet] controlled and restricted international trade.” Temin, P580
And Hitler abolished the classes too, which he saw as the work of the Jews. He thought the Jews were bringing in capitalism in order to ignite class-warfare, which would bring about Marxism. This is why he implemented his version of socialism - in order to stop the Jews.
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It's state control of the economy, so yes National Socialism it was socialism. If it wasn't, you can't even explain the Hitler Youth, since private controlled youth groups were abolished in favour of the state-controlled group. Same with the German Labour Front (abolishment of private trade unions for the state), the nationalization of the railways (state control), the workers battalions, the wage controls, the price controls, the expropriation of the industries, the bureaucrats and shop floor militants and Nazi-Party officials who took over the industries, the Autarky policy and hte 4 Year Plan, let alone the Holocaust.
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"I'd say that it is a system that can apply any policy from the whole spectrum at the same time with one goal - domination of Aryan people and extermination and enslavement of others and for this goal he would use anything either from the left, either from the right"
But you can't exterminate people like they did in the Holocaust without the state. No business could do this. The state owned the means of production, and therefore was a socialist state. A strong state in the economy cannot happen under capitalism - it is the opposite to what capitalism is.
"And even if he introduced any of the Socialistic policies he would do it not due to his allegiance to socialism, but due to its fitting to the current needs of the Reich. Socialist would never accept Oligarchy, which was in place in the Reich, its completely opposite conceptions, they cannot co-exist, and if they supposedly do, they don't, by definition of Socialism"
As my previous message shows, there state bureaucracy was in charge (much like in the Soviet Union), not the industrialists and businessmen. So this isn't the economy you think it is. You don't understand the economy or the politics or the ideology of the Third Reich. You've only dipped your toe on the surface of the water and come to the wrong conclusions.
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By law, individuals couldn't own property. Therefore, they cannot own businesses. The 'privatization' that took place, in fact, is a slight of hand. And there are many instances where the government exercised their power by seizing a person's personal property or businesses. The Nazis nationalized industries that didn't do as they insisted, then 're-privatized' them. But in reality those businesses could only function as part of the state, and were under control by the state, and weren't really owned by their owners.
"The Nazis viewed private property as conditional on its use - not as a fundamental right. If the property was not being used to further Nazi goals, it could be nationalized.” Temin, P576
“Prof. Junkers of the Junkers aeroplane factory refused to follow the government’s bidding in 1934. The Nazis thereupon took over the plant, compensating Junkers for his loss. This was the context in which other contracts were negotiated.” Temin, P576-577
“Manufacturers in Germany were panic-stricken when they heard of the experiences of some industrialists who were more or less expropriated [had their property seized] by the State. These industrialists were visited by State auditors who had strict orders to “examine” the balance sheets and all bookkeeping entries of the company (or individual businessman) for the preceding two, three, or more years until some error or false entry was found. The slightest formal mistake was punished with tremendous penalties. A fine of millions of marks was imposed for a single bookkeeping error. Obviously, the examination of the books was simply a pretext for partial expropriation of the private capitalist with a view to complete expropriation and seizure of the desired property later. The owner of the property was helpless, since under fascism there is no longer an independent judiciary that protects the property rights of private citizens against the state. The authoritarian State has made it a principle that private property is no longer sacred.” - Reimann, Chapter II (no page number, as on Kindle)
Reimann, in 1939, quotes from a German businessman’s letter to an American businessman -
“The difference between this and the Russian system is much less than you think, despite the fact that officially we are still independent businessmen.” “Some businessmen have even started studying Marxist theories, so that they will have a better understanding of the present economic system.” “How can we possibly manage a firm according to business principles if it is impossible to make any predictions as to the prices at which goods are to be bought and sold? We are completely dependent on arbitrary Government decisions concerning quantity, quality and prices for foreign raw materials.” “You cannot imagine how taxation has increased. Yet everyone is afraid to complain about it. The new State loans are nothing but confiscation of private property, because no one believed that the Government will ever make repayment, nor even pay interest after the first few years.” “We businessmen still make sufficient profit, sometimes even large profits, but we never know how much we are going to be able to keep…”
“The influence of the Party cannot be seen in laws, but in practice, and personalities are the important factor. A large number of the ministers [at present all ministers] are Party members.” - Ministerialdirektor Sommer, spokesman for Rudolph Hess, in the Deutsche Juristenzeitung of May 21, 1936.
“The capitalist under fascism has to be not merely a law-abiding citizen, he must be servile to the representatives of the State. He must not insist on “rights” and must not behave as if his private property rights were still sacred. He should be grateful to the Fuehrer that he still has private property.” “This state of affairs must lead to the final collapse of business morale, and sound the death knell of the self-respect and self-reliance which marked the independent businessman under liberal capitalism.” - Reimann
Schacht centralized and heavily regulated the electricity production industry, which then sparked a new plan of economic administration. This was all in 1935. [Tooze's Wages of Destruction P111-112]
"...in practice the Reichsbank and the Reich Ministry of Economic Affairs had no intention of allowing the radical activists of the SA, the shopfloor militants of the Nazi party or Gauleiter commissioners to dictate the course of events. Under the slogan of the 'strong state', the ministerial bureaucracy fashioned a new national structure of economic regulation." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112
“We worked and governed with incredible elan. We really ruled. For the bureaucrats of the Ministry the contrast to the Weimar Republic was stark. Party chatter in the Reichstag was no longer heard. The language of the bureaucracy was rid of the paralysing formula: technically right but politically impossible.” - Schacht, speaking of the situation after 1933. Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112-113
"It would be absurd to deny the reality of this shift. The crisis of corporate capitalism in the course of the Great Depression did permanently alter the balance of power. Never again was big business to influence the course of government in German as directly as it did between the outbreak of World War I in 1914 and the onset of the Depression in 1929. The Reich's economic administration, for its part, accumulated unprecedented powers of national economic control." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P113
Therefore, what we have here is a planned socialist economy, not capitalism.
Sources -
Temin, P. “Soviet and Nazi Economic Planning in the 1930s.” From The Economic History Review, New Series, Vol. 44, No. 4 (Nov., 1991), pp. 573-593 (21 pages). Jstor. https://www.jstor.org/stable/2597802?seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents
Tooze, A. “Wages of Destruction: The Making & Breaking of The Nazi Economy.” Penguin Books, 2007.
Reimann, G. “The Vampire Economy: Doing Business under Fascism.” Kindle, Mises Institute, 2007. Originally written in 1939.
(Accessed 04/10/2018)
https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Reichstagsbrandverordnung
http://home.wlu.edu/~patchw/His_214/_handouts/Weimar%20constitution.htm
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Weimar_constitution
http://www.zum.de/psm/weimar/weimar_vve.php
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This is in contrast to capitalism, which is the private (individual, non-state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). Hitler is all about state control. One of the first thing he does when he gets in power is wipe out private property.
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28 February 1933 -
Order of the Reich President for the Protection of People and State
On the basis of Article 48 paragraph 2 of the Constitution of the German Reich, the following is ordered in defense against Communist state-endangering acts of violence:
§ 1. Articles 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124 and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. It is therefore permissible to restrict the rights of personal freedom [habeas corpus], freedom of (opinion) expression, including the freedom of the press, the freedom to organize and assemble, the privacy of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communications. Warrants for House searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.”
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Articles of the Weimar Constitution affected -
Article 115.
The dwelling of every German is his sanctuary and is inviolable. Exceptions may be imposed only by authority of law.
Article 153.
Property shall be guaranteed by the constitution. Its nature and limits shall be prescribed by law.
Expropriation [noun, the action by the state or an authority of taking property from its owner for public use or benefit.] shall take place only for the general good and only on the basis of law. It shall be accompanied by payment of just compensation unless otherwise provided by national law. In case of dispute over the amount of compensation recourse to the ordinary courts shall be permitted, unless otherwise provided by national law. Expropriation by the Reich over against the states, municipalities, and associations serving the public welfare may take place only upon the payment of compensation.
Property imposes obligations. Its use by its owner shall at the same time serve the public good.
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“Like Hitler, Backe saw the mission of National Socialism as being the supersession of the rotten rule of the bourgeoisie. Far from being impractical, Backe’s ideology provided a grand historical rationale for the extreme protectionism already implemented by the nationalist agrarians. Far from being backward looking, Backe’s vision assigned to National Socialism the mission of achieving a reconciliations of the unresolved contradictions of nineteenth-century liberalism. It was not National Socialism but the Victorian ideology of the free market that was the outdated relic of a bygone era. After the economic disasters of the early 1930s there was no good reason to cling to such a dangerous archaic doctrine. The future belonged to a new system of economic organization capable of ensuring both the security of the national food supply and the maintenance of a healthy farming community as the source of racial vitality.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P174
[Tooze's Wages of Destruction P179-180] Because Germany didn’t have enough land to feed her population, both Backe and Hitler (and others) wanted to expand eastwards. The local populations were to be impacted by German ‘rearrangement’. “Those left in place were to serve as slave labour on German settler farms. The SS was to be the sword and shield of this settler movement.”
On the 26th of September 1933, Darré and Backe created the “Erbhof” law. [Tooze's Wages of Destruction P182]
“For the purpose of protecting the peasantry as the ‘Blood Source of the German People’, the law proposed to create a new category of farm, the Erbhof (hereditary farm), protected by debt, insulated from market forces and passed down from generation to generation within racially pure peasant families. The law applied to all farms that were sufficient in size to provide a German family with an adequate standard of living (an Achernahrung, later defined as a minimum of c. 7.5 hectares), but did not exceed 125 hectares.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P182
“The term ‘peasant’ (Bauer) was henceforth defined as an honorary title, reserved for those registered on the Role. Those not entered in the Erbhofrolle were henceforth to be referred to merely as ‘farmers’ (Landwirte). Entry in the Rolle protected the Erbhof for ever against the nightmare of repossession. By the same token, it also imposed constraints. Erbhoefe could not be sold. Nor could they be used as security against mortgages. Farms registered as Erbhoefe were thus removed from the free disposal of their immediate owners. Regardless of existing arrangements between spouses, Erbhoefe were to have a single, preferably male, owner who was required to document his line of descent, at least as far back as 1800, the same requirements as for civil servants. ‘Peasants’ were to be of German or ‘similar stock’ (Stammesgleich), a provision that excluded Jews, or anyone of partial Jewish descent.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P182-183
“The line of inheritance was now fixed in law.” P183 [clearly not free-market capitalism]
“Coupled with this extraordinary intervention in the property rights of German peasants was an equally drastic programme of debt reduction. Backe and Darré proposed that the Erbhof farmers should assume collective responsibility for each other’s debts. The debts of all Erbhoefe, variously estimated at between 6 and 9 billion Reichsmarks, were to be transferred to the Rentenbank Kreditanstalt, a state-sponsored mortgage bank. The Rentenbank would repay the original creditors with interest ranging between 2 and 4 per cent depending on the security of the original loan. ” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P183 [no more personal debt for these farmers, but collective debt]
Hitler approved of this plan, despite opposition from Junkers, some peasants and Schacht (as well as others). He then decided that it would go through, after negotiations. P184. Unfortunately for Darré and Schacht, they had to shelve the debt-relief idea and come up with a compromise ‘grant’ scheme instead for peasants who were in debt. P185 They also had to relax the inheritance elements of the law to appease the peasants. P185-186 Rate of enrollment for those farms that fitted the bill was high. It wasn’t enough to ‘transform the structure of land ownership in Germany.” P186 But it did have an impact. “It consolidated a group of farms whose average size nationally was just less than 20 hectares, a figure that was soon to be defined as the ideal size for efficient family farming in the new order of German agriculture.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P186
“The second fundamental step taken by Darré and Backe in the autumn of 1933 was the organization of the Reichsnaehrstand (RNS). It is not too much to say that the setting up of this organization and its associated system of price and production controls marked the end of the free market for agricultural produce in Germany. Agriculture and food production, which until the mid-nineteenth century had been overwhelmingly [-P187] the most important part of the German economy and which still in the 1930s constituted a very significant element of national product, were removed from the influence of market forces. As Backe clearly articulated even before 1933, the mechanism of price-setting was the key. The RNS made use of prices to regulate production.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P186-187
Other counter arguments include Ernst Rohm’s Putsch, where people will say that the Nazis killed socialists. However, this is actually an example of state control, since it is the state cracking down on private businesses and organizations.The ‘socialists’ that Hitler killed were Ernst Röhm and his associates. These were a small number of (1,000) of socialists out of the large SA (3,000,000 strong) who were supposedly planning a coup on Hitler. This was in-fighting within the Party, rather than ideological opponents.
Another counterargument is that Hitler got rid of trade unions. And, at first, getting rid of trade unions looks like an example of getting rid of socialism. But is this really the case? What is a trade union? A trade union is an organization (usually Marxist in nature) of workers (class) who are opposing the employer (class). Since trade unions are based on class and not race, they’re an example of Marxism within capitalism.
Hitler replaces the Marxist (class) trade unions with the racial-state’s “German Labour Front” (DAF). The state is now in control of the workers - a sign of socialism. Since trade unions (private organizations) are no longer around, this is a sign of anti-capitalism, as well as anti-Marxism. It also misses the point that Lenin was against trade unions as well, despite being a Marxist-socialist.
So, with the above quotes, we can see that private property was abolished and that the capitalist businessmen were in trouble. They were not, as some claim, "supporting Hitler" and ruling the roost. They were under the socialist thumb. Similarly we have a heavy-state involvement in land reform in order to ‘socialize’ it. We also have price controls and high taxes restricting any effective ‘capitalism’ that may have been going on in the economy. All this is in addition to the fact that Hitler had restricted Germany’s trade with the world (“international-Jewish-finance” as he called it), severely limiting capitalism. We have the destruction of trade unions (both capitalist and Marxist in nature) and their replacement with the state. Therefore, what we have here is a planned socialist economy, not capitalism.
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"The Nazis viewed private property as conditional on its use - not as a fundamental right. If the property was not being used to further Nazi goals, it could be nationalized.” Temin, P576
“Prof. Junkers of the Junkers aeroplane factory refused to follow the government’s bidding in 1934. The Nazis thereupon took over the plant, compensating Junkers for his loss. This was the context in which other contracts were negotiated.” Temin, P576-577
“Manufacturers in Germany were panic-stricken when they heard of the experiences of some industrialists who were more or less expropriated [had their property seized] by the State. These industrialists were visited by State auditors who had strict orders to “examine” the balance sheets and all bookkeeping entries of the company (or individual businessman) for the preceding two, three, or more years until some error or false entry was found. The slightest formal mistake was punished with tremendous penalties. A fine of millions of marks was imposed for a single bookkeeping error. Obviously, the examination of the books was simply a pretext for partial expropriation of the private capitalist with a view to complete expropriation and seizure of the desired property later. The owner of the property was helpless, since under fascism there is no longer an independent judiciary that protects the property rights of private citizens against the state. The authoritarian State has made it a principle that private property is no longer sacred.” - Reimann, Chapter II (no page number, as on Kindle)
Reimann, in 1939, quotes from a German businessman’s letter to an American businessman -
“The difference between this and the Russian system is much less than you think, despite the fact that officially we are still independent businessmen.” “Some businessmen have even started studying Marxist theories, so that they will have a better understanding of the present economic system.” “How can we possibly manage a firm according to business principles if it is impossible to make any predictions as to the prices at which goods are to be bought and sold? We are completely dependent on arbitrary Government decisions concerning quantity, quality and prices for foreign raw materials.” “You cannot imagine how taxation has increased. Yet everyone is afraid to complain about it. The new State loans are nothing but confiscation of private property, because no one believed that the Government will ever make repayment, nor even pay interest after the first few years.” “We businessmen still make sufficient profit, sometimes even large profits, but we never know how much we are going to be able to keep…”
“The decree of February 28, 1933, nullified article 153 of the Weimar Constitution which guaranteed private property and restricted interference with private property in accordance with certain legally defined conditions … The conception of property has experienced a fundamental change. The individualistic conception of the State - a result of the liberal spirit - must give way to the concept that communal welfare precedes individual welfare. (Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz).” - Reimann, quoting from Jahrbuch des Oeffentlichen Rechtes der Gegenward, ed. by Otto Koellreuther (1935), p. 267.
“There exists no law which binds the State. The State can do what it regards as necessary, because it has the authority.” “The next stage of National-Socialist economic policy consists of replacing capitalist laws by policy.” - Fritz Nonnenbruch, the financial editor of the Voelkischer Beobachter (quoted by Reimann).
“The life of the German businessman is full of contradictions. He cordially dislikes the gigantic, top-heavy, bureaucratic State machine which is strangling his economic independence. Yet he needs the aid of these despised bureaucrats more and more, and is forced to run after them, begging for concessions, privileges, grants, in fear that his competitor will gain the advantage.” - Reimann
“Such a system also changes the psychology of businessmen. Their experiences teach them that the old right of property no longer exists. They find themselves compelled to respect the “national interest” or the “welfare of the community.”” “Businessmen must claim that everything they do, any new business for which they want a certificate, any preferment in the supply of raw materials, etc., is “in the interest of the national community.”” - Reimann
Schacht centralized and heavily regulated the electricity production industry, which then sparked a new plan of economic administration. This was all in 1935. [Tooze's Wages of Destruction P111-112]
"...in practice the Reichsbank and the Reich Ministry of Economic Affairs had no intention of allowing the radical activists of the SA, the shopfloor militants of the Nazi party or Gauleiter commissioners to dictate the course of events. Under the slogan of the 'strong state', the ministerial bureaucracy fashioned a new national structure of economic regulation." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112
“We worked and governed with incredible elan. We really ruled. For the bureaucrats of the Ministry the contrast to the Weimar Republic was stark. Party chatter in the Reichstag was no longer heard. The language of the bureaucracy was rid of the paralysing formula: technically right but politically impossible.” - Schacht, speaking of the situation after 1933. Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112-113
"It would be absurd to deny the reality of this shift. The crisis of corporate capitalism in the course of the Great Depression did permanently alter the balance of power. Never again was big business to influence the course of government in German as directly as it did between the outbreak of World War I in 1914 and the onset of the Depression in 1929. The Reich's economic administration, for its part, accumulated unprecedented powers of national economic control." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P113
“Control over domestic resources was paralleled by centralized control over imports. Both countries [Nazi and Soviet] controlled and restricted international trade.” Temin, P580
"Both governments reorganized industry into larger units, ostensibly to increase state control over economic activity. The Nazis reorganized industry into 13 administrative groups with a large number of subgroups to create a private hierarchy for state control. The state therefore could direct the firms’ activities without acquiring direct ownership of enterprises. The pre-existing tendency to form cartels was encouraged to eliminate competition that would destabilize prices.” Temin, P582-583
“The Soviets had made a similar move in the 1920s. Faced with a scarcity of administrative personnel, the state encouraged enterprises to combine into trusts and trusts to combine into syndicates. These large units continued into the 1930s where they were utilized to bridge the gap between overall plans and actual production.” Temin, P583
"“... this difference was not important to many decisions. The incentives for managers - both positive and negative - were very similar in the two countries. Consequently, their responses to the [Four or Five Year] plans were also similar. In neither case did the managers set the goals of the plans.” Temin, P590-591
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"There certainly was private property, not only on a small level , but in larger scale and that was the driving force of the german economy , unlike the soviet union where all the means of production (exept small parts of the agrarian sector) was owned by the state , which planned the production in a centralized manner."
Stating things that are incorrect doesn't make it true. The Nazis banned private property. Here is the Reichstag Fire Decree -
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28 February 1933 -
Order of the Reich President for the Protection of People and State
On the basis of Article 48 paragraph 2 of the Constitution of the German Reich, the following is ordered in defense against Communist state-endangering acts of violence:
§ 1. Articles 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124 and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. It is therefore permissible to restrict the rights of personal freedom [habeas corpus], freedom of (opinion) expression, including the freedom of the press, the freedom to organize and assemble, the privacy of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communications. Warrants for House searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.”
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Articles of the Weimar Constitution affected -
Article 115.
The dwelling of every German is his sanctuary and is inviolable. Exceptions may be imposed only by authority of law.
Article 153.
Property shall be guaranteed by the constitution. Its nature and limits shall be prescribed by law.
Expropriation [noun, the action by the state or an authority of taking property from its owner for public use or benefit.] shall take place only for the general good and only on the basis of law. It shall be accompanied by payment of just compensation unless otherwise provided by national law. In case of dispute over the amount of compensation recourse to the ordinary courts shall be permitted, unless otherwise provided by national law. Expropriation by the Reich over against the states, municipalities, and associations serving the public welfare may take place only upon the payment of compensation.
Property imposes obligations. Its use by its owner shall at the same time serve the public good.
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By law, individuals couldn't own property. Therefore, they cannot own businesses. The 'privatization' that took place, in fact, is a slight of hand. And there are many instances where the government exercised their power by seizing a person's personal property or businesses. The Nazis nationalized industries that didn't do as they insisted, then 're-privatized' them. But in reality those businesses could only function as part of the state, and were under control by the state, and weren't really owned by their owners.
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“However, no one can possibly ignore the substantial changes that took place in Germany’s economy during this period: active government control over all branches of the economy; massive deficit spending on public works; regulation of foreign trade, prices, wages, and investment. It is quite clear that there was no free market economy in Germany throughout those years, even in comparison with other advanced industrial countries, none of which had operated under conditions of “pure competition” since the beginning of the century. The scope and depth of state intervention in Nazi Germany had no peacetime precedent or parallel in any capitalist country...”
Barkai, A. “Nazi Economics: Ideology, Theory, and Policy.” Yale University Press, 1990. Page 3
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"Rather than a secret society secretly ruling us all, it's a bunch of socialists repurposing old theology all over again or a bunch of people finding this religion all over again like we now how these Neo-Pagans etc."
That's actually how I see it. I did say that it wasn't a monolithic religion, but rather separate denominations or sects (or however you want to describe it). Perhaps I didn't make this clear enough because I've had a few people complain that I think that it's a monolithic religion even though I specifically stated it wasn't. In that video I did say:
"It has evolved over time, and it’s not a united religion. Protestants, Catholics, Jews and Muslims don’t see eye to eye, even though they’re all technically worshipping the same God. Well, the same thing applies with this other religion too. Even though they are of the same faith, there is a vicious hatred between the different denominations, but they are still one and the same."
So there isn't one big secret society, it's a bunch of small esoteric cults that share the same core theology/ideology, but are different from one another.
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Take your time with regards to the judgement of this. However, I will point out that you're incorrect when it comes to the "name calling". As I quoted in an earlier episode of this series, the author Sewell openly brags about himself being a Marxist (specifically a Leninist). David Hoggan and others (like Irving) call themselves "Revisionists" but this is a play on words (explained here https://youtu.be/ruqt8uv__18 ). In reality, they are Denialists because they not only deny the H of WW2, but also change and distort the evidence to push false narratives. That's a form of denying history, and so the term "Denialist" applies.
Neo-Nazis are neo-Nazis. I'm not sure why you think this is "questionable". And the Bloomsybury Group were proto-hippies. Just look at who they were, what they got up to, what they stood for. It was all for "peace maaaannnn". Keynes himself not only was a conscientious objector (not because he had a decent reason, he was just opposed to war because he thought it was intellectually beneath him), but he also based his economics off the works of the National Socialist economists, as Sennholz shows in his book "Age of Inflation". So if you don't like the term "proto-hippy", I'm happy to call him a "proto-Nazis" instead if you wish.
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They're untrustworthy because the people who deny the Holocaust reject the scientific method and distort the evidence. Since socialism was proven with fact and evidence to be bad and doesn't work, the French Marxists invented Postmodernism - which is a rejection of science and evidence in favour of belief that socialism does work (they call belief 'ideology' but it's basically belief). All that matters is that their world view [see definition of socialism below] of dividing the world into "social groups" and rejecting the 'individual' human being as a concept so that 'society' or 'the state' can rule over their chosen "social group" after removing the undesireable "social group" is promoted and preached. So they reject evidence and are happy to distort evidence and make stuff up.
Therefore, this isn't a dismissal of rational, scientific, evidence-based arguments - it's a dismissal of their 'belief'. If they came forwards with actual (non-distorted) evidence that proved that the mountain of evidence that is in existence that proves the Holocaust happened is completely false, then at best this would be classed as a debate, since they would need a brilliant argument to prove a ton of evidence is false, and there would be a substantial counter-argument (which is why it would be classed as a debate). But they're not doing that. They're fabricating evidence, twisting, mis-quoting, distorting, rejecting, denouncing authors and kicking and screaming like little children in order to promote their beliefs and undermine the foundation of science and the professional historical scholarship. That's not an argument - it's completely fictional, it's completely false, and therefore we are legitimately able to dismiss those beliefs entirely.
[Definition of socialism: Socialism is the social (public, state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy). If it is the social (worker's state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy), then it's Marxism (which is what you think 'socialism' is). If it is the social (German/Aryan people's state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy), then it is National Socialism. This is the opposite to capitalism: Capitalism is the private (individual, non-state) ownership or control of the means of production (business/economy).]
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I've just checked and your previous comment isn't in the "reviewed" comments, so it was most-likely auto-deleted by YouTube.
While I have sympathy for anyone who is ill and near the end of their life, this doesn't mean Irving was right in his views.
"Freedom of speech" is a violation of private property rights, and therefore is not something I agree with. You can say what you like on your own property, but not on mine. That said, I'm (largely) not policing these comments - YouTube is. I'll only delete you if you're not behaving yourself. If you're spamming, swearing, being disrespectful towards others, or denying history, you're out. Don't like these rules? Tough.
And this isn't to say that conversations cannot occur. They occur all the time. I welcome all VALID objective perspectives. But I'm no-longer tolerating ideological (religious) fanaticism, which is a fundamentally invalid way of conducting history as I outlined here https://youtu.be/chgZcPzfbeI?si=PGT73KbvHiWZxDYr
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History teaches us not to instantly believe everything we hear. The first question you need to ask is "But is this really the case?"
Now, most of us do not have time to go double check every fact, but what I'd suggest for you is not to take a hard stance on a subject unless you've thoroughly looked into it from both sides. So if you come across a video saying "the earth is flat" go - ok, I'll accept that for now, but if I find more information that disputes this view, I'll change my mind. Then, if you have time to do some double-checking, look up a video that refutes that claim. And look at the arguments on both sides. Look at the authors. Look at their "agendas" (assuming they have any).
The point is, don't dig yourself into a position and become a unmoveable rock. This is not good because if someone comes along and says "the earth isn't flat" your first instinct is to dispute their facts. Rocks can crack and break. Instead, be like water. If water hits an obstacle, it goes around it. If water wants to crash, it still can do. But if you believe in the flat earth, and someone tells you "during an eclipse the Earth makes a round shadow on the moon", then you should say "good point", let me think about this. If this new fact disputes the old fact, and makes more sense (ideally you'll want several facts like this) then all you need to do is come out and say "you know what, I used to think the earth is flat, but now I think the earth is round." I promise you, people will have more respect for you if you do that, than if you stubbornly believe in something.
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I'm not against Anarcho-Capitalism, and I understand why people are AnCaps, but as I said in that video, I'm not an AnCap. My views are constantly evolving, and since discovering that Hitler was a Socialist, I've not committed to an "ideology". In fact, I've deliberately avoided doing so because I was tricked before into believing in the evil ideology of socialism, so I'm now being careful not to fall for something else.
But now I understand that socialism is evil, that state intervention destroys the economy, I have looked into free market economics, and I'm in favour of a free market. However, unlike what some have implied, it's not due to ideological reasons. There's no "ideology" behind the understanding of how actual economics works.
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"And besides, those private firms that take over, are always owned by a close friend, relative, or business associate of one or more of the local councillors! Come on TIK, you can't be that naive after reading so much Soviet history."
I'm not calling for private firms to be operated by the Council. I'm talking about private firms directly interacting with their customers without any government involvement at all. When I go to the local shop for milk, there's no commissar involved. I can go directly to a waste collection service without having to pay a bunch of corrupt government despots at the same time.
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"You have a bone of contention with local authorities, don't abuse the workers who actually do nothing but work, whilst at work."
You don't get a pass just because you work for the Monopoly Corporation. Your wages come from the theft of my wages. You are a thief, just like all your colleagues. You're working, but your job only exists thanks to criminal activities.
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"Buy me a Go Pro, I'll prove it. You would applaud me if you saw the footage. I load over ten tons each day, walk a half marathon, weigh 12 .5 stone and am almost 55."
Yes, if only you could do this privately without having to work for the State. The people would then pay you exactly what you're getting paid now, and probably save 80% of their council tax bills. Why? Because we wouldn't be paying for all the other "services" that the local Soviets are supposed to provide but actually don't. We wouldn't be paying those pen-pushers you hate so much. We wouldn't be paying for local corruption or local incompetence. There would be no "planning permission" or wasted regulations. We could have the same services but for much cheaper, and there would be far more efficiency. The issue isn't the job you're doing but the way it's being organized. Central planning doesn't work.
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"We get home within our work hours... We waste no time and have plenty of it left each day to study whatever history we like and write about it."
But you did waste time. I've seen the local bin men. They're incredibly slow at their jobs, they don't operate efficiently, and the worst part is that they're collecting far more waste than they would do if the system was privatized. If citizens paid the private companies to pick up their waste, the private operator would charge for the weight of the waste. The "public" (you're using the term incorrectly, since you are the public - the State) would therefore reduce the amount of waste they're putting in their bins, either by choosing products or companies than use less packaging, recycling more, or by coming up with creative ways to use the packaging that they do have. Since they have no incentive to do this under the "free" council service, there's a ton more waste being thrown out, making your job harder.
But again, the unintended consequences are lost on you because you believe that forcing people by gun point to hand over their wages to you, taking your cut, and then providing a terrible service is how "society" should be "run". I strongly disagree.
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"We are the grunts of society, keeping you safe from rats taking over."
I'm not against bin men, I'm against bin men employed by the tax system. I have all the respect in the world for bin men who work for private companies. I have zero respect for government "employees".
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"We don't get any of it, we don't even attend the staff parties because we get shunned by the paper-pushers."
Your wages come from the theft of my wages. Children are going hungry in the UK as their parents are still forced to pay for "roads" and whatever other "services" the local Soviet are supposedly meant to provide. And note, this was BEFORE the virus. It's gotten worse since then https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/02/children-are-so-hungry-in-one-british-town-they-are-eating-from-bins/
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"And yes, council's are full of corruption, but do not include us in that."
Taxation is, by definition, corruption. You are ALL guilty of corruption.
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"No private firm can match us."
Yes, because you have the entire state apparatus behind you and only the militant state are "legally" allowed to own weapons. Therefore you have a massive firepower advantage over the slaves you extort taxes from. If us private citizens were armed, you would have a serious problem.
Also, considering that you've stolen the wealth from the populace, making them poor, they cannot now afford to go private. That's why I don't have access to healthcare in this country. Can't use the "free" National Socialist Hell Service which I'm forced to pay for, and can't afford to go private because I've already paid for the "free" NHSS. That's the only reason why no private firm can touch you - because they can't compete with your Corporate Monopoly.
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"We just toil in all weathers and get constant abuse for it"
Because you're an overpaid criminal who's doing a lousy job.
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"Have some respect, the councillors hate us more than you do."
Respect is earned, not taxed.
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"Been tried by numerous councils and always fails."
Well, maybe that's the problem. Local Councils (Soviets) are incredibly inefficient and the people who work for them have no idea about basic economics.
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"We have to be heavily vetted, can't send undesirables round good folks houses on a weekly basis."
The bin men don't come into people's homes or even go onto their property. They stay on the street and just collect the bins that residents have to leave out in the street.
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"And, as council workers, we are trained to do far more than simply empty bins."
Really? Other than steal wealth from hard working people and then sending in your goons to forcibly threaten and beat people who don't pay up for your protection racket, what are you trained for?
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"We have had training by army and police to look for All kinds of abuse, crime and even terrorist activity, although we do not talk about it."
No, you're trained by the army and police to BE the abuse. You are the criminals. Your pay comes from the theft of my pay. My viewers give me money for my product. You steal that money and keep it for yourselves. You are the terrorists.
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"And we are Not socialists. We are far more well informed than most folk imagine."
The State is Socialism https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
You work for the State, you are a Socialist.
You reject private enterprise and favour the Corporate State fascist monopoly, and the reason why is because you are a Socialist.
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"i fell like you didn’t go into the necessary details defining fascism, democracy and the distinction of the two."
That's because I've done that before in previous videos.
I defined fascism here in great detail https://youtu.be/qdY_IMZH2Ko (FASCISM DEFINED | The Difference between Fascism and National Socialism)
And I've got a video on "Hitler's Democracy" where I go into more depth about the idea of Democracy https://youtu.be/_-lznzuPK8I
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"The sources you give for the idea that fascism is „democratic“ are literally the founder of fascism and hitler. A little biased don’t you think?"
We could also use Marxist sources or other Gnostic sources that all say the same thing, that their totalitarian "Kingdom of Heaven" on Earth is somehow the ultimate form of democracy, or how the state will "wither away".
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"Now what democracy actually is, is the idea that the political Souveignity is held by the masses. (Roughly meaning power held by the people) while I myself also feel like the current voting system is pretty far away from people holding the power, (it’s bad here in Germany but the USA is way way way worse even)"
Yes, and the "masses"/"people" are the Public, and the Public Sector is the State. Democracy is all power to the State. Here is my Public vs Private video explaining how the "people" are the Public Sector State https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
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"that it is by faaaaar more democratic than fascism"
They're all the same. The people vote away their freedoms to the State "representatives" who then lord over them and steal their wealth via the power of taxation and inflation.
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"Where literally ONE guy holds the power. Not quite souvereignity of the masses, eh?"
One man doesn't hold the power in Fascism or National Socialism. It is the Party that holds the power, and the Party is the People.
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"but please try researching more thoughly because even though you say you are not a fascist or anything in the beginning, your source bias on some of your points can reinforce some of this ideas in your viewers."
You mean, you haven't done any research by watching my back-catalogue of videos and realising that I've done plenty of research on this topic (some of them have hundreds of sources). This is NOT the first video touching upon this subject, and none of your points hold up to scrutiny. You hold preconceived notions of what "democracy" is that do not fit reality. The people don't have power in a democracy, the state has power. The people only think they have power, but they don't. The "democracy" is a State. It is governmental power, nothing else.
EDIT: Also no, you can tell I'm not a fascist by my anti-Statism. Fascism is pro-State, and I'm anti-State. You, meanwhile, appear to be pro-State. You want all power to the "people", all power to the State. So who's the fascist here?
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Again, it depends on the book and the video. Generally I skip to the relevant parts of the book, unless the whole book is relevant, at which point I'll read it all the way through. No point reading parts of a book that aren't relevant to the subject you're reading on. For example, I'm working on Operation Crusader right now, and since many of the books are on the whole of the North African Campaign, it's kinda pointless to read beyond that. So I work up to where Crusader ends and I'll pick up the next bits when I move onto the next battle. Another example, if I'm reading a general history of WW2 while I'm looking into Stalingrad, I don't need to read up on what happened in 1940. I know this from other reading/research, so I can just skip to the relevant chapters.
When I was in uni, I did the same. Although my practice back then was to read the introduction and conclusion chapters of the books too in case I missed something. I don't tend to do that any more since it's usually irrelevant.
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The comment wasn't about the etymology of the word, but the usage that historians have for the word. It's necessary to recognise that every word you hear, see, listen to was created by someone else. Their thoughts, their perspectives, their biases, and their agendas are all part of our history because we're social animals and we require constant input - like this. You're reading my words, my opinion, my biases, my perspective... which is why it's good practice to know who the author is, otherwise they could manipulate you into changing the meaning of the history we're all creating together.
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"donations from several private institutions and persons amounted to 2,071,000 marks from february 27 to 4 of march of 1933,"
I addressed this in the video you didn't bother to watch. That's after Hitler got into power, which he did in January 1933. Have you got any evidence of industrialists donating PRIOR to Hitler getting into power? And, of course, I know you don't, because what pathetic evidence there was is shown in the video.
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"It is said that there were donations during 1932, but no details are known about them, content or amount."
Right. You have no evidence. History is only what we can prove via the evidence, not stuff we make up in our own minds. Without evidence, your claims are unsupported and therefore false.
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"Thanks for talking with me! "
It's alright, thanks for talking with me :)
"To say capitalism is just private owners control of tools is akin to saying the simple farmer who owns his own shovel is a capitalist bc he owns a shovel."
Yes, that is actually capitalism.
"That's silly. Its to say capitalism has always existed...thats even sillier."
Capitalism hasn't always existed. For most of human history, people have been slaves or serfs of the public sector - e.g. the kings, states and other entities that strangled their economic freedom. The shovels were owned by their masters, not by them. Once the slaves were set free, they worked (estimated) 50-80% more harder and more efficiently, which had stunning effects on the economy, which we've seen in the past 200 years.
"You said you were a socialist once. After learning about what capital actually is, how "bourgeoise economics" or "political economy" as it was called in the 1800s, forms capital and how it managed to replaced serfdom with wage work, i dont get why you'd backslide into a simple one-dimesional definition that covers no pertinate aspects of it."
Because Marx and the socialists lied about the definitions and promised the world. When you realize that their definitions are completely false, and that their language is deliberately designed to be over complicated to distort the truth and hide the meaning of the words and phrases they're using, you'll understand that you've been played - just like I was.
"Private ownership has existed well before capitalism."
Technically not. I actually explained this in part in the Public vs Private video (which I recommend, link above) but not properly. "Private" used to mean "family", or "whatever the lords owned" (which included slaves). Once it turned into "individual", and once the individual was freed, then it became capitalism. Prior to that, it was a kind-of feudalism. That's why your claim - "Your one dimension view of capitalism is useless in explaining the rise and fall of fuedalism and capitalism since both have private property." - doesn't work as a counter to what I'm saying.
"I like you bc you try to push beyond conventional thinking in military analysis...you dont repeat what the dictionary says on that content."
Of course I do! I use dictionary defined words all the time! You'll discover that the words 'socialism' and 'capitalism' are the only words in the dictionary that socialists claim have no meaning, or if they do we'll never 'understand' what they are, because only 'they' really know the 'true' meaning of the words... It's just a way to keep people ignorant and to hide the true meanings from us peasants.
You haven't been told the capitalist side of the argument, just like wasn't told. Back in the day, I couldn't understand why anyone would be a capitalist. It was only when I realized that Hitler was a socialist that I decided to look into the capitalist world-view, and read "Economics in One Lesson" by Hazlitt and heard some lectures online by Thomas Sowell and people at the Mises institute, that I realized that I'd been completely lied to by the socialist-propaganda and that capitalist economics is superior.
"Social analysis, building up deep interpretations requires deeper thinking than stringing together what the dictionary states."
Words have meanings. Socialists are trying to disconnect the meanings from the words to hide the true meanings. Orwell warned about this ("Newspeak" or "New speak" or "News speak", depending). This is known as "postmodernism" (created in the aftermath of the Hungarian Revolution, as I explained in my History Theory video https://youtu.be/PvpJEc-NxVc ). If you destroy the meanings of words, you have no way to communicate. Socialism and capitalism have meanings, and had meanings prior to the 1956 revolution in Hungary. Then the Socialists attempted to hide their meanings so they could keep the 'faith' in their ideology - an economic theory that fails every time but appeals to those who seek absolute power.
"Again, I appreciate you replying to me! I know you are busy and I look forward to your content!"
I don't get much time, but I'm trying :) thanks for reading/watching and I hope I'll see more of your comments in the future!
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Yeah I'm really inventing the definitions and, even though I used 107 sources and 350 references, I'm definitely not backing it up at all. I mean, that Public vs Private video I made which goes over the definitions in great detail, by going back to pre-history and forward to the present, and is also backed by multiple sources, can just be dismissed because the evidence doesn't matter. All that matters is your feelings and your feeling say that Hitler was a Capitalist, so therefore it must be true. I mean, even if he really did nationalize the industries in a process called Synchronization, it doesn't matter, the Marxist narrative says it was Privatisation, so better just go with that. And hey, we all know that monopolies are bad, which is why the cure to monopolies is to make one giant monopoly which everyone is a part of (except the bourgeoisie, or maybe some other group you don't like, because they'll be dead). And this monopoly definitely is a workers' collective - it's definitely not a State, even if it is a organized political community with one rule of law, which is the historical and also Oxford English dictionary definition of a State. But luckily, George Orwell taught us that dictionaries and history can be changed to suit our feelings once we've had the Revolution, so better just dismiss the inconsistencies in our own arguments now and just go with what feels right. Yay ignorance!
https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
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"thanks for your reply I will definitely go through the whole episode but it need some time."
Great! Let me know what you think of it when you're done :)
"But I pointed out about the Progressive ideas of socialism capitalism like equality, fight against racism, supporting womens right movement, fight against superstitious believes, spreading scientific values, universal healthcare which fascists, fuedals, monarchists, imperialists are against, and liberal,capitalists socialists are ignorant.""
Fixed that for you.
To clarify, healthcare would be more available, and be massively cheaper and efficient under capitalism, but you'd pay for it directly rather than have it "universally" (aka "free").
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"and that's why the self-same class of people has put so much effort into destroying trades unions in the past 40 years. "
Trade unions are BAD for the working people, and for the economy as a whole. As a worker myself, even I can fathom that one out. These videos might help you understand https://youtu.be/0fsVI3EmUnQ and https://youtu.be/RPndzQVeVMY as well as this article https://mises.org/library/union-myth
"In your view any human endeavour where there is any sort of cooperation at all is 'socialism'."
FORCED cooperation is socialism. I don't want to join a racial or class collective, but if socialists have their way, I'll either be enslaved or executed. That's why I'm not FREE to not pay my taxes because I've been forced into the collective.
"then shifting to an inflationary policy where most of the new money creation is done by capitalist owned private banks who create new money every time they write a new loan due to the nature of the fractional reserve banking system."
The Central State Bank is the one creating the inflation. That's why Marx called for Central Banking in his Communist Manifesto, and why Lenin and his comrades cheered as they hyperinflated the currency supply after seizing power. Socialists want to steal off the workers, whilst claiming they're helping them.
"Look at the state of the UK, everyone's in debt,"
Yes, the central state bank has lowered interest rates and printed currency. That's why capitalists are against States in control off the 'money' supply. They want an actual gold standard (not the 'gold standard' of the 1800s, but an actual one).
"When is this ever going to work?"
It won't. It leads to the boom bust cycle as Mises and Rothbard etc have pointed out time and time again. State inflation causes the recessions that they then blame on capitalism.
"But after decades of central planning, the Soviet economy was only $66 billion in debt and the Soviet citizen was $0 dollars in debt."
Quote - “Even when they had appliances and TVs most country people in 1980 still lived without paved roads, indoor plumbing, central heat, or telephones.” (Eaton, K. “Daily Life in the Soviet Union.” Greenwood Press 2004, P124.)
And quote - “After 70 years of socialism, 57 percent of all Russian hospitals did not have running hot water, and 36 percent of hospitals located in rural areas of Russia did not have water or sewage at all.” (Maltsev, Y. “What Soviet Medicine Teaches Us.” https://mises.org/library/what-soviet-medicine-teaches-us)
"The capitalists (because that's just what they are) used and still use and finance the ideas of Friedman and Mises et al when they want to smash Keynesianism when doing so benefits them and destroys the power of collective bargaining but they don't subscribe to that nonsense."
Keynes called for the inflation you're complaining about. Mises (and to a lesser-extent Friedman) wanted to end the inflation that you're complaining about. So, I'm in agreement with Mises because I want to end the inflation that causes the boom-bust cycle that you're complaining about.
"Sound money is an anathema to the casino capitalist class as it would limit the amount of Monopoly money they get to play with. It's that fact that will stop your monetarist paradise from ever occurring, not 'socialism'."
Yes, absolutely. Sound money is what Mises and Rothbard etc call for. Keynes and the socialists want fiat currency so they can hyperinflate the currency and steal wealth from the lower and middle classes and redistribute it to themselves - the elite.
I'm seriously not sure how you can defend Keynesianism when it's calling for the exact thing that you're complaining about. Mises and Rothbard etc are calling out the bad economic policies that socialists and Keynesians are calling for - the very things you're complaining about - and you're defending them!?
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"I think it would go a long way to acknowledge the fact that many very wealthy people dont indeed deserve all of the wealth they have because they used the state in order to get it."
I do acknowledge that. That's precisely what I said in the previous comment.
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"Thats the problem with all current capitalist societies."
Incorrect - that's the problem with all current socialist societies. We don't have a free market because the State has control of the economy. You can't have a "lockdown" unless the State is in total control of the economy. Therefore, we do not have Capitalism... unless you think that Capitalism = Money (the Marxists definition). If that is the case, then my Public vs Private video is the place you need to go. It will set you straight https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
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"Some form of a state in our current age no matter how small one thinks it should be is necessary for a society to function at very least to maintain laws and provide military defence"
You're assuming here. There's no factual basis for this statement.
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"but the problem is the state ends up being able to be bought which it has been so the more wealthy companies and individuals end up going around the market basically by using state power to help them gain wealth."
I would say that the problem is that the State has the power to enforce the confiscation of wealth. The elite steal off individuals, and some of those individuals decide that the best thing to do is bribe the State officials to grant them certain privileges. The issue isn't the money, it's the omnipotent power of the State.
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"The reason the rich are far more obscenely wealthy than the rest of the population is [because of inflation and taxation.]"
Fixed that for you.
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"What people get wrong though is when they try to counter this "socialism/government handouts for the rich" with more socialism or when they see one talking about how the rich are too rich (which they are due not to the market but abuse of state power) they assume its communist rhetoric."
I agree.
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"Another problem is if there was some kind of movement that was to establish 100% capitalism what is to be done about wealth that was earned by state power abuse rather than through the market?"
You cannot change the past. But what you can do is aim for a better future. By freeing up the market and destroying the fundamentally coercive nature of the State, you set up the conditions for future prosperity. Those in monopoly control right now would find themselves having to compete against the rest of society without the State being able to forcefully redistribute wealth to them. They wouldn't be able to compete, and would lose their monopoly status very quickly.
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"On a totally unrelated note have you ever heard of the ideology of Social Credit? I live in one of two places in the world where they actually came to power albeit they never tried to implement their full economic policy and from what I gather their idea was that the problem was not "socialism vs capitalism" they took the stance that collective ownership of the means of production wouldnt work but the flaw that lead ultimately to the depression from their viewpoint was the traditional money supply/medium of exchange/banking system was flawed and not based in reality."
Yes I have heard of the ideology of Socialism ('Social Credit' is just another form of wealth redistribution). I agree with them that the current socialist system is flawed and not based in reality. I don't agree that more socialism is the way to go though. If you haven't already, read Murray Rothbard's "America's Great Depression". You can find a free copy online.
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"Im not saying their exact solution was correct but I think there is indeed a problem with the current "banking system" considering that it has had to be propped up by the state on numerous occasions."
We are in agreement. The issue though is the State, not the monetary system. I'm not sure if you've seen my semi-recent video on German logistics but you should give that a go when you get a chance, it will explain a lot to you.
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"The exact medium of exchange is still up for debate in my opinion because the current state backed fiat and the previous semi state backed gold standard are very flawed."
You're correct :) the issue was that the 'gold standard' was 60% fiat currency, and this allowed States to ravage the market. But this was FAR more stable than the currency debt-based economic model we currently have. Again, you should read Murray Rothbard's "America's Great Depression" if you haven't already.
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"As a Socialist, he did a shitty job."
Agreed.
"He did not advance womens' rights,"
Try watching the video before commenting.
"international brotherhood,"
He did, for the international 'Nordic' 'Aryan' 'blood' brotherhood (stupid, but yes he did).
"abolition of private property."
Yes he did. Reichstag Fire Decree. Again, try watching the video before commenting.
"He did not institute workers' counsels."
Councils (soviets) are departments of the state - corporations.
"He got into a war with the Soviet Union."
Which was Marxist Socialist, not Socialist.
"He legitimized his rule with the support of the nobility and bourgeoise."
He hated the 'vons' and the bourgeoisie. Again, watch the video.
"He also abolished trade unions"
By socializing them into the state-trade union, the DAF. State control of the means of production is socialism, so he socialized the unions. Again, watch the video.
"the Communist Party, the Socialists, and the Social Democrats,"
Which one of those parties is the REAL socialist party? And why were all these socialist parties fighting against each other?
"He formed a coalition with the Conservatives and Christians to rule."
He took out von Papen and killed his associates during the Night of the Long Knives. Again, watch the video.
"He did not teach nor institute Marxist theory and ideology."
Because he wasn't a Marxist, he was a Socialist.
"The inherrent Racism in Nazism is against Socialist principles of universal brotherhood of the proletariat."
Marx was racist, as I showed in the video, as were Lenin and Stalin etc. Also, proles are a class. Hitler is a racial socialist, not a class socialist. Again, watch the video.
"Lastly, Hitler used crony Capitalism and contracting out to private corporations for both civil and military labor, rather than nationalizing all industry and banning private enterprise."
Corporations were state entities as I showed in the video. Thousands of people in a hierarchy which is collectively owned by their shareholders cannot be classed as 'private', which is why corporations are not capitalist. Again, watch the video.
"He was also allied and a deep admirer of Mussolini, who was anti Socialism"
Mussolini was a socialist. Showed that in the Mussolini video I made months ago. Read Farrell's "Mussolini: A New Life" for more info.
"he helped install Franco, who was anti Socialism."
Which was why Hitler then said he'd made a mistake. (See Zitelmann P436-438)
"Any other fucktarded ideas you wanna run by us? None? Good! So shut your fucking face and fuck off with your fucking bullshit."
Blah blah blah. Try actually watching the video before knee jerking a reaction in the comments of a video backed by over 100 sources.
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"You can literally prove anything when you disregard the integrity of its definitions. The reason this counter argument bothers you is because it strikes at the core of your entire thesis, and runs it into the ground.
There has to be some serious cognitive dissoans behind your reasoning.
1. Nazis are bad
2. Capitalism is good
3. Capitalism is rightwing
4. Therefore nazism, which is bad, can't be rightwing
5. Ergo, Nazism leftwing: Nazism=Socialism.
Im gonna be a bit blunt here and guess that the reason you're not a fan of unversities is because they didn't buy your home-cooked definitions. Whenever you argue about abstract concepts."
Incorrect assumption. I was a Socialist who knew what Socialism was. As I was reading Hitler's texts, I realised that Hitler wasn't the capitalist I'd been taught he was. He was a Socialist. THAT was when I made my first video. Then, after getting the hate from the very people I was a part of, I decided to look into the opposite argument. That's when I became a capitalist. I became a capitalist AFTER realizing Hitler was a Socialist, not before.
Hitler's RACISM is his SOCIALISM. A RACE is a SOCIETY, and SOCIETY is SOCIALISM. And that's why this argument is so dangerous to Socialists - because if every Socialist realized the true nature of Socialism, they wouldn't be Socialists.
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"however my gripe is you telling the world not to read David Irving"
I never said not to read Irving. I showed examples of Irving manipulating and falsifying the evidence, and let people come to their own conclusions. If you watch that video again though, you'll see that I didn't say "don't read Irving". It's just that, any reasonable person would come to that conclusion after hearing what Irving did to distort history.
"You should read up on Richard Evans and learn about his trip to West Germany during the cold war. Amongst other things. Evans has an agenda. We could DEBATE this but youtube wont allow it."
I don't doubt that Evans has an agenda. As I said in point 3 and in this video, there's no way anyone would could list all the Socialism of National Socialism, but come the conclusion that Hitler was a Capitalist simply because Hitler didn't like Marxists (which Evans thinks is Socialism). That said, I think he's correct about Irving. My gripe with Evans is his interpretation of the evidence. Evans' criticism of Irving is that Irving is distorting the evidence and is basically writing fiction. There's a difference between disagreeing on interpretation, and outright manipulating the evidence to support your view.
And yes, I agree that YouTube is not upholding the Right-wing liberal principle of Free Speech. However, as someone who is defending Irving, you are clearly not someone who is an advocate of Right-wing liberalism. You, therefore, cannot complain about not having Free Speech, since your sympathies are with those who don't believe in Free Speech.
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@Random thoughts "TIK as far it is my knowledge that happened mostly to Jewish businesses and only in some sectors. For example no one nationalized small business."
If you watch the video, you will learn.
"And I know you have more expertise, but probably you just define socialism differently. Hitlers war economy has some similarities with the new economic policy of the Soviet Union in the sense of allowing small businesses, but I think it was nothing like the economy of the Stalin area"
As I explained in the video, National Socialism and Marxist Socialism are versions of Socialism. But National Socialism is not the same as Marxist Socialism. The two are similar, but do not look exactly the same. Marxists will claim that I don't understand, or that it wasn't "real" socialism, but the reality is that I do understand, and I have defined my terms (backed by MULTIPLE sources from all different political perspectives).
The biggest issue I'm currently having is that people are assuming I'm wrong without having actually watched or truly listened to what I'm saying in this video. Wannabchomsky is a prime example of someone who proudly announces that he has watched the video - and yet somehow doesn't know the argument I'm making, and argues against me by calling me names. Then he wonders why I'm not convinced by his insults.
Well, the same applies to most of the commentors who "disagree". They refuse to watch the video and then make the same old arguments that the video actually proves false. Then when I tell them to watch the video, they call me names. Don't be like Wannabchomsky and actually watch the video. Even if you disagree that Hitler was a Socialist, there's plenty of information in the video that will teach you other aspects of National Socialism, and the history of the Third Reich, and more.
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@J Stevinik - I've just replied to your other post -
The guy defends Karl Marx's Anti-Semitism, and then concludes that Marx and Marxism isn't Anti-Semitic - even though Karl Marx said: “The capitalist knows that all commodities, however scurvy they may look, or however badly they may smell, are in faith and in truth money, inwardly circumcised Jews, and what is more, a wonderful means whereby out of money to make more money.” (Marx, "Das Kapital V1" P107). He also claims I have no idea about history - great argument. He also hasn't watched this video in its entirely, because he wouldn't be using a couple of points to try and say that National Socialism privatized the industries - a notion I destroyed in this video with ample evidence (timestamp in the description) - nor would be come to the blatantly false conclusion that Socialism has nothing to do with the State. I specifically said that if anyone disagrees with the definitions, to watch the Public vs Private video and address the concepts outlined therein. He hasn't done that, because he can't https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
Overall, it's a joke of a response. It hasn't convinced me that any of my points are incorrect - it's just another Fascist slander attack designed to distance National Socialism from Marxism. It fails in that regard.
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@J Stevinik - Yes, and it's not "in-depth" at all. The guy defends Karl Marx's Anti-Semitism, and then concludes that Marx and Marxism isn't Anti-Semitic - even though Karl Marx said: “The capitalist knows that all commodities, however scurvy they may look, or however badly they may smell, are in faith and in truth money, inwardly circumcised Jews, and what is more, a wonderful means whereby out of money to make more money.” (Marx, "Das Kapital V1" P107). He also claims I have no idea about history - great argument. He also hasn't watched this video in its entirely, because he wouldn't be using a couple of points to try and say that National Socialism privatized the industries - a notion I destroyed in this video with ample evidence (timestamp in the description) - nor would be come to the blatantly false conclusion that Socialism has nothing to do with the State. I specifically said that if anyone disagrees with the definitions, to watch the Public vs Private video and address the concepts outlined therein. He hasn't done that, because he can't https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
Overall, it's a joke of a response. It hasn't convinced me that any of my points are incorrect - it's just another Fascist slander attack designed to distance National Socialism from Marxism. It fails in that regard.
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McDonald's isn't an individual, and therefore cannot be in private control.
The corporations do not control me, yet I'm part of the private sector. Millions of self-employed people are not controlled by the corporations. The local council is also called "the corpy" here in the UK, because the idea of corporations is just the fascist word for syndicates, and worker's councils (Soviets). The State is one giant monopoly corporation.
Yet despite all this, the corporations are in control and are all private. Ha. So the State Corporation can never be a public then? You're honestly saying that 'worker' Socialism cannot ever be, since a 'class' is a 'public', and publics cannot be publics, otherwise the State Corporation would be classed as a public, which you have rejected. In other words, according to you, workers' corporations (Soviets, councils, syndicates whatever you want to call them) can never be public?
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Only just seen this, so sorry for late reply.
"But socialism requires
1) The workers control the means of production, and
2) Democracy."
1) That's Marxism, as I explained in the video, which you should really watch before commenting. Socialism pre-dates Marxism and doesn't require worker control. It only required state control.
2) Democracy = people-power. By "people", it means "public", the hierarchy of the people/society. Democracy therefore is state-control. Please see my Public vs Private video for more information https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
"Nazi Germany had neither, hence wasn't socialist."
Again, watch the video. I used 107 sources (both primary and secondary), tons of references and quotes from various authors that show you exactly why it was for the Germans (socialism). And again, it wasn't for the workers because it wasn't Marxism (not that Marxism is for the workers, but it generally is associated with that in theory, even though in practice it does the exact opposite).
"It'd be a bit like someone who didn't believe in god and didn't think Jesus was anything special to claim they were a Christian because they did all the other stuff. It's not enough."
No, it would be like a Protestant claiming Catholics aren't Christians because they don't believe in the same things Protestants do. National Socialism and Marxist Socialism are both Socialist, just like Protestants and Catholics are both Christians. They're not the same brand, but they are both variants of the original idea.
"I'm disagreeing with your opinions in this video."
You haven't actually watched the video, so you're not even making an argument. Everything you've said has been covered in the video. So if you had actually watched it, you wouldn't be coming out with the same stuff I've already refuted.
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That is the effect Postmodernism has had on our world. Orwell warned us about this. Words become meaningless. A psy-op. For example, the reduction of state spending dosn't become a relief to the taxpayer, it's called "austerity", since tax remains high and spending gets cut, redistributing stolen money to the financial social-elites. Everyone who disagrees with the Left isn't called 'moderate' or 'liberal', but "Fascist" (even though they've no idea what the word actually means). The words Socialist and Capitalist used to mean different things, but Socialists have somehow convinced the world that stealing money from other people and redistributing that money to Social-elites, who them pocket most of that money and give you practically nothing in return, is somehow good. Yet, those who want to keep their private property and individual human rights are called "selfish". Democracy is People Power, or a People's State. Well, Hitler said his regime was a People's State (he actually called for a People's State in Mein Kampf). And he was correct, since the people are the Public and the Public is the State. Democracy is State Power. That's why the Founding Fathers knew that democracy was bad and called their government a Republic. Thus, politics causes the change of word meanings in order to distort the truth and push agendas.
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"You are using a bizarre, arbitrary definition of "private" to mean "around a dozen people"."
No, it's only bizarre to you because you because you didn't know this fact beforehand. You were deceived into thinking that giant public entities were private, so when I point out to you that they are not private, but public, and that the definition of private isn't what you thought it was, you're now assuming that I've somehow tricked you, or that I'm simply wrong.
No, I'm not wrong. You have been deceived by the Socialist ideology. I am now showing you the truth. You now have a choice - take the blue pill and stay in the lie of the Matrix, or take the red pill and see the world for how it truly is. Your choice, Neo.
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"I have already said private CAN mean individual, but is not synonymous."
FINALLY, you admit that you're wrong. Now we can move on.
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"In economics, under a capitalist mode of production, it also means non-state in the context of "the private sector", to which companies like Amazon and McDonalds belong."
Except, as I have explained NUMEROUS times now in this thread, McDonalds is a PUBLIC corporation. McDonald's went public in 1965 https://corporate.mcdonalds.com/corpmcd/investors/stock-information.html
As I explained in the Public vs Private video, when a company gets big, it goes from being classed as "private" to being classed as "public". This is why Amazon and McDonalds are no longer private and are public, and why they're also owned by millions of their shareholders, information of which I have also provided before. Here are those sources once again
https://ycharts.com/companies/AMZN/shares_outstanding
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/insights/052816/top-4-amazon-shareholders-amzn.asp
https://audioeditorfree.com/how-many-shares-does-amazon-have/
Because corporations are not private, but public, and because they come from Socialist Syndicalism, they are Socialist, not Capitalist. Just like the Socialist State, they are monopolies. And the word "corporation" is just a different word for "syndicalism", since the idea for the word "corporation" came from syndicalism.
What part of this do you not understand?
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"Sure, run away while claiming victory. That's an internet first."
I'm not running away. You're refusing to READ what I'm saying.
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"Again, the OXFORD DEFINITION of private sector:"
Hold on, we've not even got you to confirm what the word "private" means, so before we move onto the "private sector", can we just get you to confirm that you agree with the historical and dictionary definition of the word "private"? Once again from the Oxford Dictionary:
"private. adjective, 1. belonging to or for the use of one particular person or group of people only. 2. (of a person) having no official or public role or position. 3. (of a service or industry) provided or owned by an individual or an independent, commercial company rather than the state. 4. (of education or medical treatment) conducted outside the state system and charging fees to those who make use of it. 5. relating to or denoting a transaction between individuals and not involving commercial organizations. Noun, the lowest rank in the army.
ORIGIN: late Middle English (originally denoting a person not acting in an official capacity): from Latin privatus ‘withdrawn from public life’, a use of the past participle of privare ‘bereave, deprive’ from privus ‘single, individual’."
(Oxford Dictionary of English, Oxford University Press, Third Edition 2010. P1413.)
Do you, or do you not, accept the FACT that the word "private" means "individual", "non-public" and "non-state" as the evidence shows?
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"Where does the Oxford dictionary say it is synonymous with individual (and small group)?"
That's it, I'm done here. Several times above I've given you all the evidence that there is to answer this question. You're refusing to read it. I've also provided you with a link to the Public vs Private video which shows additional historical evidence which will explain and also support what I'm saying. You're refusing to watch it.
So, you've confirmed that there's no point continuing this debate, because you're not being honest with it. You're not trying to get to the historical truth, you're just trying to protect your fragile ego, and that's why you're asking a dozen or more pointless questions over and over as a way to try and catch me out. Well, I'm not playing your stupid game any longer. If you were intellectually honest you would go and seek out those answers in my videos, or online, or in the books. But intellectual honesty is not why you're here, is it.
And here's the deal, Slater Slater. You've spent weeks or months in this comment section screaming at anyone who agrees with me, and boasting about how wrong I am, and how wrong my "fans" are. Now, in this comment thread, I've shown you how wrong you were all that time. In reality, I've done my homework, I've put the effort in, I've presented the evidence, and you've got nothing. You can't be bothered to watch the videos and try to understand them, and I can't be bothered to listen to you any longer. You've been debated, and you've been defeated.
The definition of Socialism remains as it was historically: the public (State) ownership of the means of production https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
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"I just love man how you both argue about who has real sources, No your sources are bad and lie, my sources hold the actual universal truth"
That's not what's happening here. Slater Slater has provided one source - Investopedia. I've provide several in this discussion alone, and well over 100 in the video, with plenty dealing with the definitions of Socialism and Capitalism, including Karl Marx's own words on the matter. This isn't a debate over sources, it's a debate over logic vs emotion. Rational vs faith. In short, the communication issue involves one side assuming they're right, while the other side is factually correct.
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"my opinion is that fact does not exist, fact is point of view, fact is bunch of people calling something a fact, most facts are right and wrong at the same time, because we just forget that they are just well done opinions and points of views and thus definitions as whole are just pointless concepts which give us answers to ease our complex human minds, but I must admit that I was victim of this also, also love how you decided to have this long debate about diffrent points of views in which you both have good points of views"
The postmodernism is strong with this one... I'm not getting into a debate over this because it's pointless. The craft of history requires both evidence and interpretation forged into a compelling argument. Through an open and honest free market debate, the truth can emerge over time as poor arguments fall, and stronger arguments rise to the top. The process can take a while (technically it never ends), but that's the point of it. Rather than become nihilistic about it, accept it and enjoy the journey https://youtu.be/PvpJEc-NxVc
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"I also love how you TIK call yourself without any ideology, but you call your enemies leftist (group collective, not individuals) and you clearly hate leftism by your own words which is ideological position for one of your examples, which is by definition oxymoron situation, so I guess we have fact which was changed, thats how facts change, people change their minds"
Being anti-ideology, is not an ideology. And if you're defending Socialism, you're on the Left by the Left's own definition of the political spectrum.
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"what do you expect TIK? that people that you see as leftist and people who see themselves as leftist must become rightwing in order to not be your enemies and people with emotions rather than truth? I personally dont care about leftism, rightism, but you clearly see world in groups, not individuals with your own personal truth"
I have no expectations. I'm defending history from people who don't respect the evidence and have zero ability to form a solid or coherent interpretation of the events, yet have the tenacity to slander and mock me and declare I'm wrong, despite the fact that they're incapable of actually standing up against me in debate, as Slater Slater has demonstrated here.
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"I love how Lewis clearly builds his life on books with facts/points of views of individuals while the other has his mindset build on his personal thinking, both have their merits"
Yes, I use evidence and logic to form my opinions. Notice again - the craft of history is the evidence and interpretation of that evidence formed into a logical, rational argument.
My opponent on the other hand has contradictory logic and flimsy evidence, which is why he's relying on asking the same questions over and over again even though I've given him the answers backed by evidence. His emotions and faith is what's keeping him from admitting that he's wrong. Maybe, perhaps maybe, he's realize this at some point and just start to consider the possibility that his opponent (me) had the same belief set that he had at one point, but then realized that that belief set was completely incorrect.
There's no shame in being wrong. There is shame in stubbornly holding onto an untenable position when your opponent has both logic and evidence on his side. Slater Slater has lost this debate, but he cannot admit it.
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"You're trying to define public as meaning a crowd (Viz "pöbel" in German)There is more than economic definition of public, too. Which is how you can have a PLC in the private sector.
It's a semantic game that you play poorly."
A crowd is a public. Oxford says so:
"Oxford: adjective, 1. of or concerning the people as a whole. 2. open to or shared by all the people of an area or country. 3. of or involved in the affairs of the community, especially in government or entertainment. 3. of or provided by the state rather than an independent, commercial company. Noun, 1. ordinary people in general; the community." (Oxford Dictionary of English, Oxford University Press, Third Edition 2010. P1435.)
Cambridge says so too:
"Cambridge: adjective, 1. relating to or involving people in general, rather than being limited to a particular group of people. 2. (government) provided by the government from taxes to be available to everyone. Noun, 1. all ordinary people. To go public - a company that goes public makes shares available on a stock market for the first time." (Cambridge Dictionary https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/public)
Notice the "To go public [is to] make shares available on a stock market for the first time" bit.
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"I'm reading your messages, buy I'm simply not buying them."
And that's you're asking the same questions over and over. You ask a question, I provide the answer, then you reject it, and repeat the same question. I then provide you with the same answer, and you reject it again. I knew this would happen, which is why I normally don't even bother wasting my time replying to you (and others like you) in the comments. You've already decided that you're right, and no amount of evidence or correct answers will ever persuade you that you're incorrect, even when the reality is overwhelming.
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"Evidence that "private" in an economic sense means "individual", please."
Again, the word private comes from the Latin 'Privus' to mean 'single' or 'individual'. (Oxford Dictionary of English, Oxford University Press, Third Edition 2010. p1413.) That was the historical definition, and the dictionary definition rolled into one.
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"The dictionary definition of "the private sector" contradicts you."
You asked for the definition of "private", but are saying that the definition of "private sector" is different. Well, yes because it's a separate dictionary definition. However, the definition of "private enterprise" is "noun, business or industry that is managed by independent companies or private individuals rather than being controlled by the state." (Source is same as above.)
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"I didn't claim that it was only "the insiders" who own the company. You're getting emotional and being dishonest there."
There's no emotions, only facts. You said that there were a small group of people owning the company. I've proven to you that that was completely false, and there are millions of people who own that company.
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"Even if Amazon do have "millions" of investors, as you claim, that is still a relatively small group compared to the number of people who DON'T own shares."
Completely irrelevant. Just because you choose not to join the collective, doesn't mean that the collective is not a collective or doesn't exist.
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"What is the upper limit for the TIKtionary definition of "small group", out of interest? And is it as arbitrary as I suspect?"
Well, how big is a small group? It's a universal question and doesn't just apply to me, it applies to you too. It's one of those "when does a town become a city" type questions. It's not actually got a fixed number because it depends on circumstances. However, a group of more than a dozen or so people is probably no longer classed as a small group. Certainly by the time you get to 50 people, that's no longer a small group or private. So in the economic sense in which we're debating, giant corporations that contain hundreds, if not thousands, of people, and millions of shareholders, cannot be classed as a small group.
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""There are 507.15 million shares"
Irrelevant. How many shareholders are there?
The "collective" of shareholders are a relatively small group, I think you'll find."
Well, according to your favourite source, Investopedia, there are some big shareholders with lots of shares. These are classed as "insiders" who are in senior management positions. However, there is also a section titled "Institutional Shareholders". In there, there are three "groups", which are other corporations. And it says that there are more than 3,000 institutional investors. https://www.investopedia.com/articles/insights/052816/top-4-amazon-shareholders-amzn.asp
Investopedia doesn't talk about the millions of individual investors and day-traders who have shares in Amazon. But, there is another source here which does https://audioeditorfree.com/how-many-shares-does-amazon-have/
The "insiders" (the ones you claim are the ones who own the company) only own 10.2% of Amazon's shares. Institutions own 58.7% of the company, and the "General Public" (the millions of other normal people) own 31% of Amazon.
So yes, this isn't a privately owned company by any stretch of the imagination.
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"Socialism is government ownership of the means of production and distribution of goods and services."
Glad you agree.
"Hitler was not a socialist. He did not even nationalize major companies like Krupp."
Try watching the video before commenting. This argument is defeated in the video.
"Hitler despised socialists."
Hitler despised Marxists and Social Democrats, not Socialists. Again, explained in the video you didn't watch.
"Hitler persecuted socialists and rounded them up in every country he invaded."
While not covered in the video, Social Democrats continued to work for the ministries of the Reich, so this isn't actually fully true. However, yes Hitler did attack Marxists.
"The people around Hitler, the better journalists and historians of the time, as well as the better historians since, all place on the extreme Right of the political spectrum, far from the socialists of the far Left."
The people around Hitler actually put him in the middle of the political spectrum (the Nazi "Third Way") as explained in the video. And as I also showed in the video, the historians were/are wrong to place him on the Right. He was a totalitarian. Thus he was on the Left. Please watch the video before commenting.
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"Logically speaking (according to Austrian economic analysts), this should be debasing the currency and resulting in massive inflation."
House prices, stock prices, second hand car and book sales, tuition fees, the price of gold and silver, council taxes, energy bills, fuel bills, the price of a can of coke...
Oh yeah, there's no inflation! Herp derp!
In reality though, the effects of inflation (the expansion of the currency supply) is a rise in prices. But prices don't necessarily rise instantly, if the inflation is being directed into certain assets and then other commodities are being artificially regulated to be cheaper than they should be (like toilet roll and food products here in the UK). Money velocity has collapsed due to the lockup, so people aren't spending their money the same as they were before. I saw one report say that the rich are only spending 45% as much as they were before the lockup. When the lockup is lifted, and people go out to spend all that extra cash which has been created from thin air, supply and demand will result in a rapid rise in prices within a short space of time.
It happened the exact same way in Germany. In WW1 people saved and didn't spend because they were scared of the future. Then, at the end of the war, they did spend, which is when the inflation started.
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Socialism is the centralised Public State control of the means of production https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
Socialism has nothing to do with Class, or a "Classless society". Only Marxist-Socialism calls for the murder and theft of the bourgeoisie in order to make a so-called classless society. But Socialism predates Marxism and has nothing to do with Class.
Also, if Socialism is a society that doesn't produce "commodity production", then Socialism is literally calling for the end of the economy. You can't feed people if you don't make any food, since food is a commodity.
But the reason Karl Marx called for the end of commodities was because he thought commodities were "inwardly circumcised Jews" -
“The capitalist knows that all commodities, however scurvy they may look, or however badly they may smell, are in faith and in truth money, inwardly circumcised Jews, and what is more, a wonderful means whereby out of money to make more money.” - Karl Marx, Das Kapital, P107.
Also, why did Karl Marx call for Central Banking in the Communist Manifesto if he was against currency? It's because he wasn't against fiat currency, he was against money (gold and silver). And as he made clear:
“What is the worldly cult of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly god? Money… Money is the jealous god of Israel, beside which no other god may exist.” - Karl Marx, "On the Jewish Question."
Yes, Karl Marx says selling things - huckstering - is a Jewish cult, and that money is the Jewish god.
“Christ drove the Jewish money-changers out of the temple, and that the money-changers of our age enlisted on the side of tyranny happen again to be Jews is perhaps no more than a historic coincidence.” - Karl Marx, "On the Jewish Question."
Karl Marx is saying here that the people who trade goods for money (in other words, capitalists) are Jewish, and are on the side of “tyranny”. Yes, the reason he hates capitalists is because he thinks they’re Jewish, and the reason he hates Jews is because he thinks they are capitalists. In Karl Marx's mind, the bourgeoisie were the Jews. That's why he wanted to get rid of the bourgeoisie and the Jews.
“As soon as society succeeds in abolishing the empirical essence of Judaism - huckstering and its conditions - the Jew becomes impossible, because his consciousness no longer has an object… The social emancipation of the Jew is the emancipation of society from Judaism.” - Karl Marx, "On the Jewish Question."
So Marxism is ANTI-SEMITISM.
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Except, I can understand others feelings, therefore I'm not a "socio path". The reason, as an ex-socialist, that I now object to Socialism, is because of several reasons. The first is that I understand basic economics https://youtu.be/eyIfEpNfU2U
The second is that Socialism is ANTI-SEMITISM https://youtu.be/rZh01xRO_Qg
And that Hitler was a Socialist https://youtu.be/eCkyWBPaTC8
I therefore realize that STATE unemployment insurance, STATE old age pensions, STATE hell care, STATE un-affordable housing, and STATE sponsored theft (taxation, inflation, regulation) results in the poor being poorer and the rich being richer. Therefore, as someone who cares about others, I want people to realize that the answer to state-mismanagement of the economy and the impoverishment of their lives is not "more state".
Sadly people don't listen. They already believe they know the answers. But as an ex-socialist, I can promise you, socialism isn't what you think it is.
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1. I now think it's more of a translation issue, plus the fact that Isaev simply doesn't actually give the numbers (or if he did the editor and translators need shooting). I'm considering making a follow up video on this topic just to set the record straight. Might be a while a way because I have other things that need working on which take priority, but I probably will. I will say I was probably wrong to call Isaev biased, however I'm not the only one who's had trouble with this book. A few people have messaged me saying they've also struggled with it too, pointing out its many errors. And while it is probably a translation issue, it does appear to the reader as bias. This is why I've interpreted it this way. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But hopefully you can see where I was coming from in the video.
2. Fair point about the bias thing, but you don't need to call me an idiot or swear. I promote discussion and am happy to accept criticism, but only if it's constructive or presented in the right way. I understand that you've probably got annoyed at me for thinking this was bias, but if you present me a clear argument that says otherwise (which you've done) then I'll listen. Your first sentence was completely unnecessary.
3. The Russians do have reason to spin history. As does everyone else. Nobody - not you, me or anyone - are truly unbiased. Some are less bias that others, and I'm certainly aiming to be as unbias as anyone, but that doesn't mean I'm not biased at all. People are publishing works that are biased. They are. Germans are. Russians are. Glantz is biased too. Nobody is exempt from that. Our purpose as historians (or as history buffs) is to collect all the biases and find the middle ground. That might be an impossible job, but we should try anyway!
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It's weird. He gives numbers for the small clashes and interesting facts about the tank types and some of the actions, but then seems to miss the forest for the trees when he looks at the battle as a whole. While I look forward to more Russian texts on the battle, someone else was saying that the law changed in Russia a couple of years back, and there appears to be censorship again. To what extent this is true, I don't know, but it would explain the faults with Isaev's book.
Interestingly, there's only two parts of the book where he talks about the numbers of the whole battle. One in the introduction, and once in the inner sleeve of the outer cover of the book. That's it. Both of these differ from the tables he gives when talking about the Soviet forces. He has tables for tank numbers, but doesn't add them up, doesn't say how many reached the battlefield, and leaves plenty of questions unanswered, like how many engaged on a particular day. This just leaves holes for the reader to misinterpret.
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"P.S: To say that there is no grand ‘Jewish’ agenda is correct. However, this cannot be applied to Zionism. There is an increasing problem Zionism and globalism."
Your agenda is quite clear for people to see. You're both racist and anti-globalist (aka, nationalist). This explains quite clearly why you favour David Irving.
"Therefore retrospectively one cannot truly fault all aspects of Irving’s work."
If he's willing to distort facts on one subject, why wouldn't he do the same on other subjects? The reality is, he would. Perhaps nobody has felt the need to go through and check his references in those other books, but I suspect that if they did, they'd find deliberate distortions.
"Irving had written several works prior to his inquest into the Holocaust, these are works which in their time were highly praised by both historians and critics worldwide."
Yes, although there were suspicions even then. When it was revealed that he had been deliberately distorting evidence, it cast a large shadow of doubt over his entire catalogue of books. This is why, he should not be trusted. Because he was willing to deliberately distort evidence to favour Hitler, you can no longer be sure that what parts of his writing is fact and fiction. Therefore, the best thing to do, is not use his books.
"That is why he is relevant to your video."
No, if I can't tell what is fact or fiction, it is not relevant to this video, since I'm strongly in favour of accuracy based upon the principles of the scientific method which Irving has rejected.
"Your obstinate resistance towards an author who provides a series of good primary sources is troubling."
Primary sources are incredibly dangerous for anyone who hasn't mastered the secondary sources. I actually reject the idea that Primary sources are inherently 'superior'. It is my firm belief that you must master the secondary sources first before you dive into the primary sources. Memoirs are absolutely NOT to be trusted. Diaries offer a limited perspective on the events. Documents can be biased and have agendas, and so on.
Historians spend their lives interpreting and reinterpreting the evidence and filtering out the distortions of history. For someone like Irving to claim to only use primary sources and to reject the secondary ones is, in itself, a testiment to his mistaken belief that primary sources as somehow superior to anything else. That is wrong. And with this very statement I'm going against the established way of thinking about sources - and any history teacher or tutor reading this is probably foaming at the mouth. However, the origins of the terms go back to Rankean history, and are far out of date. A primary source is no more trustworthy than a well stated argument by a peer-reviewed historian using multiple sources of evidence to create a convergence of evidence. This is where people (like Irving) are fundamentally mistaken about the value of primary sources. Secondary sources (books written by actualy historians, and not distorians) are actually far more valuable and trustworthy (again, not distorians) than they may first appear.
It's no wonder that Irving comes to some outlandish conclusions. He is living in a postmodernist nightmare of contradictions. By distorting the evidence, he rejects the idea of evidence. Without evidence (and a rejection of the scientific principles), we're just left with belief (or ideology, which is just another form of belief). And if he forms his history on belief alone, he cannot prove that his version of events is correct because the only argument he has is his belief. He can't say anyone else's beliefs or ideas are wrong because there's no way to prove that someone is wrong by belief alone.
"But you do have a problem with shying away from the taboo side of history."
Hey look! A belief not backed up by any evidence, and contradicted by the available evidence!
"Any teacher and especially a historian should be encouraging people to explore."
Exploring a lion's den is probably not the best thing to encourage people to do without a gun. I aim to provide that gun.
"People should investigate the Irving conspiracy, the Holocaust and these macabre topics."
Absolutely. But only once they're armed to the teeth with evidence and knowledge of the arguments the racist-socialist-postmodernists are making.
"Please don’t be fearful of propaganda."
Propaganda should be studied, not believed in.
"Just like Irving’s work, there are plenty of aspects within the holocaust that are largely based on unfound claims."
Just like this statement, which is also based on unfound claims. Rejecting the Holocaust is rejecting the whole of WW2. Are you saying WW2 didn't happen? Because WW2 and the Holocaust were both central ideas of Hitlers from at least the time of Mein Kampf. Stating that the Holocaust didn't happen is also stating that Hitler wasn't racist, and didn't believe in a greater Germany. It quite literally makes zero sense to do that.
Hitler makes it very clear that, in order to have a true racial-socialist society (the "People's State" as he called it), he must get rid of the non-Aryan races. But how would they possibly get rid of those other races? Well, the Final Solution to that problem was execution. So, are you denying that Hitler was a racist-socialist? Are you denying that he wanted a better Germany? Are you denying that he started WW2 to fight both capitalism and Marxism? Because it definitely sounds like you are.
"Just let the people make their own judgement."
Yeah, I will. Once I've provided them with tons of evidence and counterarguments to the arguments made by people who reject the fundamental realities of reason and the world in which we live.
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"The etymology doesn’t matter."
No, it actually does matter because it tells the story of how the central planners have changed the definition to hide the crime they're committing.
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"Inflation was not even a very old term. But that’s irrelevant."
Then why bring it up?
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"Nobody cares about keeping the money supply the same over time if the money supply grows proportionally with products traded in the economy."
It actually does matter, and you should care, since it is this process that causes recessions and depressions, and steals wealth from everyone who holds the currency (including children) https://youtu.be/X3L0_pjRdcs
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"In fact, inflation used to mean printing money at variance with the commodity (e.g. gold) backing the money, or abandoning the commodity standard. Because thus led to price increases, it colloquially became to mean overall price increases. The abandonment of commodity money and replacing it with a slow steady planned increase in the money supply means that the old meaning is not important."
The price of other goods and services was (and still is) tied to gold. Just because fiat currency is no longer the gold price doesn't mean that the definition of inflation has changed. To inflate, does not mean to rise. These are two separate meanings. The central banks are inflating the currency supply, thus that is an inflation. Prices may or may not be rising, but that's irrelevant because prices do not inflate.
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"What people care about is price changes, as they should."
Right, but the reason why prices are rising is because of the inflation, caused by whoever owns the printing press (the Central Banks). By inflating the currency supply, there are more notes chasing the same (or fewer) number of goods and services, thus causing the 'price' (the number of currency units required to purchase something) to rise. By printing more currency, they're increasing the supply, thus lowering the value of each individual note. Yes, they're manipulating interest rates and injecting that currency into certain areas (e.g. house prices) and then aren't counting that in their official CPI numbers in order hide the inflation, but that doesn't get around the central issue that inflation caused a wealth transfer from everyone else who holds the currency to those who own the printing press, and distorts the economy, which leads to recessions and depressions.
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"But nobody minds nearly as much so long as there is no high or uncontrollable inflation like in Weimar Germany or the 1970s."
Oh I absolutely do care. I'm not falling for the silent tax, and I don't like the fact that my savings accounts have a 0% interest rate. I also don't like the fact that house prices are going to the moon, nor do I like the fact that my wages and savings are being depreciated. If you want to cheer for the system that keeps the poor poorer and the rich richer, go ahead, but I'm getting out of this central planner paradise.
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"Nobody it trying to fool anyone into thinking they aren’t increasing the money supply."
Yes they are. The Central Planners absolutely are. That's why they changed the definition of inflation to mean rising prices, which is a massive manipulation of the meaning of the words. And you have been fooled, and are now supporting their manipulations.
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"If you only issue money proportional with production, which the scheme aimed at (assume for a moment that this is “money” and that overall production is actually proportionally linked to consumer products), then there can be no serious sustained price inflation from this."
Right, but that's not what happens. Not only are there price increases (it doesn't happen across the board at first, but comes in waves, starting in the capital goods industries), but there will be recessions and depressions, and the loss of purchasing power as a result of that. Then, the manipulations will hide the price rises of consumer goods until the last moment. By the time you start seeing significant price rises in the shops, it's too late to stop it.
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"Increased prices are passed on by industry to the consumer by interest on the national debt and its multiplication of debt that forces industry to outsource to cheaper labour markets while attempting to survive their own failure."
And debt is the expansion of the currency supply. Debt is created out of thin air by the banks, controlled by the central bank. Dollars, pounds, yen, Euros... they're all debt instruments.
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"There is no "excess" supply of money in circulation, where is it?"
House prices, second hand cars and other goods prices, tuition fees, oil prices, lumber prices, copper prices... the list goes on.
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"OK not a fan of the Austrian Economics. Inflation, for example, means price increases. Yes in the past it was applied to money but that was the past. Words change."
Okay, then the MEFO bills didn't cause "new-inflation", but they were an expansion of the currency supply, and they did cause distortions throughout the economy as well.
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"Thing is, MEFO's can exist in any gold or hard money economy."
But if MEFOs exist, then it's no longer a gold or hard money economy. MEFOs are paper substitutes for gold/money. So as soon as MEFO bills exist, you no longer have a gold economy.
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"Suppose instead the gov't decided to just tax any business with 'money in the safe'. The effect would be mostly the same."
Except, the businessmen would want to save more cash, so once the government has taken the currency from the safe, the businessmen will cut spending even more. This is the principle of the "seen and unseen" that Henry Hazlitt talks about in Economics in One Lesson. I know you said that you don't like the Austrian School, but I would suggest that you look into it, since theirs is very similar to the Chicago School (except their business cycle theory is vastly superior).
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"Why didn't the Nazis just do that instead?"
Probably because the businessmen would have just hid their cash and pretended it didn't exist? Although taxes on businesses and businessmen did increase significantly during the Nazi period, as Götz Aly shows in "Hitler's Beneficiaries". So perhaps they did both methods. I quoted Reimann saying that these "loans" (or, in this case, MEFO bonds) were just a tax, since nobody believed that the government would pay interest on them.
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"But my question is, were does history stop and supposition begin?"
Having an alternative opinion or interpretation of the facts is history. Because history isn't just about facts, it's about the interpretation of those facts. I've explained this in-depth in my History Theory video https://youtu.be/PvpJEc-NxVc
"With respect, I disagree."
Great! I don't agree with your interpretation, and you don't agree with mine. That's fine - that's the start of a historical debate. You can't have a historical debate with just facts, you need an interpretation in order to do that.
"If you look at the tactical situation, I see it as trying to protect his north flank. It's not an isolated position."
This may be true, but I'm not so sure. If we go back to the start of the northern bridgehead, it started off with one unit capturing a small bridgehead on its own initiative. Apparently, Paulus and/or Hitler then got involved and said that the bridgehead must be held. Then it was decided to use a southern bridgehead to thrust towards the Don, which they did, and then they got overstretched, while two divisions were tied down in the northern bridgehead. So, in my interpretation, I'd say that the original capture of the bridgehead led to its retention. It was not gained to be used later. It was gained, and then held, and perhaps expanded - which isn't the same thing.
"If you consider the 14th Corps is over extended and left exposed at the time. I'd suggest they were trying to interdict the railway from the north."
That's a valid opinion. There's no direct evidence for this (as far as I'm aware). But this is a reasonable assumption based on what you can see... which is an interpretation of the evidence, not a "fact". In theory, if you think my interpretation was an "alternative 'what-if' scenario" and not sticking to the "facts", then I could equally claim this about your interpretation for the same reasons. So, I hope you can see that we have the "facts", but our interpretation of the facts differs, and this leads to 'debate', which will ultimately allow the best interpretation to win out overall.
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Oh trust me sir, I've read those posts on Reddit. I even centred the Hitler's Socialism video on refuting their points. You should watch it https://youtu.be/eCkyWBPaTC8
Schacht was more towards Laissez-faire, but was having to take orders from Hitler, who was Socialist. The result was a semi-Keynesian economic policy. In fact there are numerous authors saying that it was Keynesian economics. This is why Richard Overy spends part of his book "The Nazi Economic Recovery" trying to say it wasn't Keynesianism (pages 1, 16-19, 31 and more) but actually a proto-Keynesianism.
"The secret behind the Nazi economic revival was not merely proto-Keynesian spending policies but the whole ‘package’ of controls, all of them inter-depended, all of them necessary to achieve what the Nazis wanted from the economy." Overy, p38.
So the only reason it wasn't Keynesian is because it went beyond Keynesianism (it was Socialism). A lot of other authors, like Mises for example, straight up call it Keynesianism though, which I'm not against. They did implement some Keynesian policies, and Keynes himself actually predicted that the Nazi economy would recover quite strongly thanks to the policies implemented. Unfortunately Keynes was wrong yet again (Overy p40-41).
Overy asks - "Was this strategy Keynesian? Superficially, perhaps. But it is important to remember the differences." (p50)
Yes, that's why it's correct to call it proto-Keynesianism, since it was slightly before Keynes really became popular.
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If you watch my 5 hour video on the topic, or if you watch my older videos, or see the hit pieces written about me on Reddit, or the response videos made by Marxists against me, you'll see plenty of evidence of the Marxists saying this.
And you may not believe me, but I have zero reason to lie. I was a British socialist similar to George Orwell (who's still.my favourite fiction author). Just like Orwell, I knew going too far Left was a problem, but I thought things like state pensions, the NHS, and more reforms and taxes on the rich was the way to go.
Of course, I woke up from the propaganda and now see those things as a scheme to enrich the elite and keep the poor poor. But at the time I was deceived.
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It's hard to say, but I do think that O'Connor was the best early-war general that the British had. Or at least, the best in the North African Campaign. His performance during Compass was spot on. Apparently, his later performance in Western Europe wasn't as good, but I don't know enough about that to say why that's the case. Either way, I'm certain he would have done better than Neame, Beresford-Pierse, and the like.
And Churchill is responsible for the rush of this battle, and he definitely should have taken the blame for Greece and Crete. His impatience and insistance often leads to military disaster. And he has a habit of blaming others. Godwin-Austen conducts a fighting withdrawal against overwhelming odds in British Somaliland (which I covered in another video) and Churchill harbours resentment against him for retreating.
In fact, I'd say that apart from approving the plan in the first place, Wavell shouldn't be blamed at all. But this is the danger of being "responsible" for things outside of your control. Someone below or above you makes a mistake, you get fired.
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Yeah, this is the first time I've done Chapters and that's one of the lessons I've learnt. Some of the chapters were a little long too.
And I know there was an editing mistake towards the end where the presentation box was bigger than I set it and it covers the map. I think I went back to fix another mistake and the editing software decided to mess up. Sadly, I only noticed after the video was uploaded and I'd already announced it was coming out, so too late to go back and fix. I'll be careful in the future.
The 25-pounders would have been effective, however the British had three problems. First, the Support Group (with the 25-pounders) was an independant unit from the tank regiments, making the coordination of the guns and tanks difficult. Second, while Rommel had updated his doctrine on the use of artillery and anti-tank guns to combat tanks while conserving his armour, the British hadn't come to this conclusion. This meant they still tried to engage the Germans with their armour throughout the battle, leading to heavy armour casualties. In fact, the whole premise of the Battleaxe battle was to get to grips with the German armour and overwhelm it. So Rommel had skillfully countered British intentions by not committing his armour to a tank battle - until the British were weakened at least. Third, British tanks were armed with the 2-pounder AT gun. The issue is that the 2-pounders could not fire High Explosive rounds. As mentioned in the video, this meant that they had to score a direct hit on enemy AT guns (an impossibility at long range) meaning that they had no effective way of countering the PAK guns, or the 88's (who were even futher back). The Germans on the other hand, could use HE rounds in their Panzer III's and IV's, meaning that the British equivalent of the 88mms (sort of) had to pull back before they could really do any significant damage to the panzers.
While I haven't mentioned it (or looked into it in any detail) there was a naval war going on in the Mediterranean. The Battle of Taranto is an early example of the battles being fought for supermacy. I don't know to what extent the Royal Navy was capable of blocking Italian or African ports, but as mentioned in the video, around 80% of axis supplies were reaching Libya.
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I still hold the view that it's a bad decision to split Army Groups A and B from one another. In fact I said that in either the last episode of Stalingrad, or the episode before.
I'm not siding with Hitler's views. I don't believe that Roosevelt declared war on Hitler, only that Hitler believed that. And I've never said Hitler was a great leader, or didn't make mistakes, or didn't do bad things. The only thing I've done is not rely upon the German Generals' opinion that he was a 'Madman Hitler', and instead of making stuff up, I go to the source himself - Hitler - and see what he says about certain things. As I said, why would I go to the Allies to find out why the Germans did something? That doesn't make any sense.
The German Generals pretended that everything was Hitler's fault. That's simply not true. Those war criminals also made mistakes, and used Hitler to cover them up. Well, reality isn't as simple as they made it out to be. So I (and I'm definitely not the only one to do this) am now showing that a lot of the mistakes (not all) can be blamed on them, not just Hitler (sometimes both).
Why this is problematic for you, I'm not sure. The role of the historian is to figure out the truth, even if that truth sometimes goes against our own beliefs. My "defence" of Hitler in this instance (it really isn't) is merely over the war strategy, not his ideology or his domestic actions. And I'm not even defending him! I'm merely showing that it was his henchmen who made the decision, or persuaded him that it was right, or so on. Hitler still takes full responsibility for the disaster that was WW2 and the Holocaust.
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Remember that I see the Nazis as Socialists on the Left. Thus, if I have shifted Rightward, I've moved away from National or Socialist ideologies. As I said in the video, the more I read about their ideology, the more I'm convinced it's flawed.
The only concern I have is censorship. And I obviously don't exclusively quote from National Socialist historians (or those who are sympathetic). It's only when I need to show you the Nazi perspective that I quote from them, or if I want to criticize them, which is certainly not every video. Usually when I look at their perspective, there's nothing useful to take from it. Don't forget that they dismiss the mainstream (including me) just as the majority of the mainstream dismisses them, so they're behind the curve when it comes to the historical debates as well as haven't got all the updated facts as those who follow the mainstream do. This is partly why their books are flawed.
If anything, my use of Nazi secondary sources is a confirmation of my quest for objectivity within the boundaries of history theory. I'm not sure I (or anyone) can be fully objective. Our opinions and interpretations leak into our work. True objectivity though comes from the subjective process of using multiple sources from different perspectives. Thus, you shouldn't just rely upon my work, and you should be seeing what others have to say about the same subject.
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I used to be a Socialist. As I said in the Hitler's Socialism video, when I realized Hitler was a Socialist, I immediately grasped the true nature of Socialism. Prior to this moment, I thought Socialism was good and Capitalism was bad. I thought that it was obvious that you had to have central planning and organisation of the economy. But in an instant I realized I'd been deceived.
A typical Socialist wants what I want - a better world, a better economy, and a better life for the poor and downtrodden. I still want these things. The problem is that those who believe in Socialism have been deceived into thinking that Socialism will solve these problems. What they don't realise is that it is the cause of these problems. Socialism destroys the economy. Socialism impoverishes people. It makes the world a terrible place to live in. But to a Socialist, or anyone unaware, they think it's Capitalism doing those things. And the reason they think that is because they've bought into Marx's reinvented terms of what Socialism and Capitalism are.
Marx wasn't even describing Capitalism when he referred to it. What he was describing was Merchantalism, which was actually a precursor to Socialism. I agree with Marx that Merchantalism doesn't work, although I don't necessarily agree with his reasons as to why it doesn't work. The point is, it wasn't me who reinvented the definitions of Socialism and Capitalism - it was the Socialists like Karl Marx.
What I've done is gone back to square one (to pre-history, then to the present) and shown exactly what the terms means and why they mean that.
As I've shown in the video, when a society decides to organise itself politically, it becomes a State (defined both historically and by the dictionary). There's no way around this. A Socialist is calling for the 'collective' or 'social' control of the means of production - which is translated into everyday speech as State control of the economy. Now, if a Socialist doesn't realise that this is what he's advocating, and defines it some other way, or believes that he's not calling for State control - he's mistaken.
And that's the point.
Socialists mistakenly believe that they're NOT calling for State control of the means of production (totalitarianism). Or, if they are, they think it won't be bad (it'll be 'democratic' or something). But history makes it very clear that they ARE calling for State control, and that it will end up in totalitarianism, as it has done so many times.
A Socialist may disagree, or dismiss, or say 'this time will be different'. You may say you don't agree with my definitions, and claim that I've reinventing them. But you're not deceiving me - you're only deceiving yourself.
This lesson of history is not being learned, and so we're doomed to repeat it again and again.
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A hierarchy cannot be an individual. An individual may or may not be in charge of the hierarchy, but the hierarchy itself makes it Public. And a Public in charge of the means of production is Socialist, not Capitalist. Only individuals (non-hierarchical) in charge of the means of production can be Capitalist.
This is an important distinction, because when you say a State is Capitalist, you're saying that the dark is light. If the criticism is a monopolistic hierarchy - like a totalitarian dictatorship, or a Corporation - then the criticism is of Socialism. If the criticism is of the individual who is in charge of the totalitarian dictatorship, or the Corporation, then that is still a criticism of Socialism, because the individual only has power due to the fact he is in charge of a politically organized community (the definition of a State). Yes, he may be rich and have money, but the criticism is that he has power over everyone else due to the Socialism.
To then turn around and say he's a Capitalist makes zero sense because Capitalism is an individual on his own, without the hierarchy. The hierarchy is what makes it Socialist, not the individual. If the individual is what makes it Capitalist, then every collective would be Capitalist because every collective consists of individuals.
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Public companies aren't controlled by the state, they're competing public states, and the government state can control a few corporations easier than lots of little ones. See what the US FTC and COPPA is doing to YouTube right now. The state is now able to quickly shut down hundreds of small independent private YouTube creators by controlling one corporation. This is what Hitler and Mussolini realised, which is why they wanted corporatism rather than direct ownership of businesses.
The police in the UK suck, and Thomas Sowell described Britain as a "burglar's paradise". So a private police force (or even just allowing individuals to protect themselves using firearms) would be way better than what we have now. Private armies are fine too, since they'll be small, less expensive and less capable of seizing power.
Social Democrats etc are all the same. They want to come up with excuses to tax people more and reduce your freedom. "Oh no, the NHS is failing again despite the fact it's not had a budget cut in the past 20+ years even though we claim it has, we need to increase taxes to sort it, and we'll do so by claiming they're doing it for the poor or the children. If you say no to this new tax, you're racist because reasons."
If taxation was voluntary, you could still have a state army and so on. The issue is that the state would have to convince you to actually hand over your wealth rather than take it by force as they do now. In that case, they'd have to up their game, and not fail on their promises. There's no chance of them fighting an offensive war, and similar bad policies would lose them support. I honestly don't see any problem with voluntary tax.
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So, according to you, this is capital-less profit-leas Capitalism?
I disagree.
What you're doing is looking at the box, not what's inside the box.
Follow the money. Central State Syndicate Banks are printing currency into existence to prop up what they call "stakeholder Capitalism", which is a different way of saying "revolutionary syndicalism".
There can be no profit, since profit has been deemed evil (Marx said "Money is the jealous God of..."). And our 'faith' in capital will be destroyed once again during the hyperinflation period we are now in. Even the mainstream media is calling it the "great reset" and a "new world order", or "the new normal".
But either way, if you think giant monopoly hierarchies of society that are collectively owned by their stakeholders, is "private control of the means of production" and thus Capitalism, then by all means believe that. I however don't trust the so-called "experts" telling us that it's Capitalism (and individualism). I look at what it actually is, and see the "critical theory" that's behind it.
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"I am a little bit confused about why large companies are not capitalist."
Are they individuals (private) or hierarchies of society (public)? If they are individuals, then they're capitalist. If they're hierarchies of society, they are a society and thus a State. This doesn't mean they are the "Central" State (e.g. the US government), but it means that they are a "State within a State" (which was how IG Farben was described as being during WW2).
"have shareholders but seem to have a small number of people or one individual who profits the most."
They're collectively controlled by their shareholders and redistribute wealth to the top - the Social-Elite (Socialists).
"It is interesting these very large wealthy companies, or, the one person in control, who are very rich, seem to support and often actively work towards the idea of a global government, a Totalitarian global government it seems, ie a Communist style government. Why?"
It is interesting, isn't it. Once you realize that they're not capitalist entities, but socialist entities, then it all makes sense.
"A well known public figure in the UK, I heard say that we don't have Capitalism, we have, Corporatism."
Correct. And it would be a mistake to think Corporatism is Capitalism.
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""National socialist NHS" is gratuitously offensive."
The Labour Government (which was socialist) created the National Health Service in 1948. So it is National and it is Socialist. It also judges people by the colour of their skin, which is racial discrimination https://www.leadershipacademy.nhs.uk/resources/inclusion-equality-and-diversity/#:~:text=Developing%20a%20diverse%20workforce%20within,t%20be%20able%20to%20function.
Therefore, the National Socialist Health Service is an accurate description of the National Socialist Health Service. If you're offended by the truth, good.
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"If you have any ideas of how a small family or individual owned capitalist group or cooperating groups would go about constructing a CAT scanner, generate electricity to operate it and train doctors (from within the same small family as the engineers and electricity generators) to interpret the results, let me know."
Yes, because the NHS existed before private health care, or electricity, or doctors...
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"You play with semantics about what socialism and capitalism means to shift all the blame for crony capitalism and totalitarianism as socialist, when that word means something very different to what you say it does in the context of the very successful social democratic models of government in Scandinavia."
I'm sorry for using the historical and dictionary definitions of the words, and I will start using the historically inaccurate and false definition of the words that you believe in... Oh wait, no I won't. And if you don't like it, you can downvote the video and cry about it in the comment section.
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Your definition of capitalism is incorrect. You're using the false Marxist definition of capitalism. I'm using the actual and historic definition. But yes, I'm the one who's "redefined" the term.
I'm a private individual. My property isn't mine because the State is constantly stealing my property from me. Well, if someone wants to steal my property, they'll have a hard time... I don't need a State to "enforce" anything on my behalf. In fact, if the State went away, I'd not only have more property and income (since my money wouldn't be stolen from me every month) and I'd have the freedom to purchase arms and defend myself. As Thomas Sowell explains, Britain is a "burglar's paradise" because the people are not allowed guns or to defend their property. I don't need the State to "enforce" private property, since it isn't doing that. Instead, I will enforce my own private property which is my natural right as a human being.
Also, profit is still made in a socialist society. It's just that what pathetically little profit is made in a socialist society is then stolen by the State from the people, and then withheld from the people in the name of the people. In Capitalism, profit can only be made if people provide other people with goods and services that other people want.
It's 'terrible' that people are getting paid for giving people goods and services that they want. And it's 'great' how the State is allowed to seize the wealth from the people, keep most of it, and then provide a few terrible services which they claim are "free". I point this out to people, and I'm the one who's "got it wrong", apparently... And then I get lectured all the old arguments which I used to believe in too about how the State is great, and how we all need expensive nationalized (but not real Nazi) socialist State health care, and how people will starve if we don't allow the State to steal 40% of wealth from the poor workers and redistribute that to the State in the name of the workers.
All I want is a better life for the poor - the very consumers I'm trying to service - and that makes me an evil capitalist. Well, I disagree https://youtu.be/L6Lw-QAHzk4
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The only way to get rich is to provide goods and services to others in exchange for money. I give you bread, you give me money. So, capitalism (the free market) is mutually beneficial. The rich are rich because they have all the money, and the poor are rich because they have all the goods and services that the rich (and the poor) provide. (Don't forget, many entrepreneurs and capitalists are poor.) For this reason, Capitalism is the ultimate form of social good, because it provides people with what they want without wasting resources.
The State also provides "services". The difference is that the State does it so inefficiently that it would soon be out of business if it played by the same rules as everyone else. But it doesn't play by the same rules. Rather than going out of business because it provided a service nobody wanted or needed, it steals money in the form on inflation and taxation to keep itself afloat. Then, to add insult to injury, it then claims that it's providing you a good service that you really need (e.g. roads).
Yes, the State has produced roads, or railways, or laws. However, the free market can do it better. The problem is that the free market isn't allowed to do it better because the State has a monopoly on all those things, and it needs a monopoly in order to justify its extra-lawful ability to steal your wealth and redistribute it to itself.
Let's take British railways as an example. The British railways have been nationalized (officially or unofficially) since prior to the First World War. Yes, there was the "privatization" era of post 1995 up until recently, but this was the same as "privatization" in Nazi Germany - in the sense that it wasn't real privatization. Network Rail was the only entity in the UK that was allowed to build railways and railway lines. It also set rail fares and workers wages, pensions, and so forth. If you want to know why there was overcrowding in the UK railway stations and trains, the answer is Network Rail, which is a government corporation. Yes, there were "private" companies operating on the government's lines, but this was a veneer of capitalism on a coffin of socialism.
Back in the 1880s, railways were profitable, and didn't need to be bailed out through taxpayer's money. Now they do, because the government is the one running the show. For a great example of the same situation with the American railways, see Folsum's "The Myth of the Robber Barons" which talks about how the US government created unprofitable railway lines at the same time that an American entrepreneur built a profitable line without government assistance.
The same applies with the roads. The M6 in Britain is a great example of how insane government policy is. If you're lucky, you might only be stuck in traffic jams on the M6 for a short time. It's overcrowded to say the least. My friend in real life was complaining about this recently. I said to her: "well, why don't you take the M6 toll road?" She replied: "Because I'd have to pay".
EXACTLY.
You can pay to go on the M6 toll road and skip the traffic. But people won't because it costs money (they'd rather sit in traffic for hours on end than get to where they're going for a price of £5). The price (cost) rationally regulates the economy - supply and demand.
When something is free at the point of need, it gets overused. Thousands of Sunday drivers or people who could drive at other times of the day, pile onto the M6 at the same time (usually "rush hour"), making a terrible situation even worse. Why? Because they have no incentive not to do so. If they had to pay for the roads at the point of need (rather than indirectly via taxation), they would think hard about whether they really need to use this road at this time. They may decide that the journey isn't worth it, or that they could travel at a different time (e.g. the evening when nobody's on the road and thus the toll is cheaper). This would reduce the amount of vehicles on the road, and thus reduce the likelihood of traffic or traffic jams.
So yes, the government does make roads. But does so poorly, inefficiently, wastes a ton of resources in the process, and these roads are decaying constantly and are also jammed full of traffic. The free market can do a much better job at this, but often isn't allowed to do so thanks to the government's own monopoly status. (Don't forget, you're not allowed to build anything in the UK without "planning permission" from the central State.)
I highly recommend the books "Economics in One Lesson" by Henry Hazlitt, and "Basic Economics" by Thomas Sowell. I think you'll find them enlightening.
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Are public traded corporations not collectively owned by their shareholders?
A lot of PhD economists and our beloved central banks define that when prices goes up, they inflate. When a plane goes up in the sky, it inflates. When a elevator goes up in its shaft, it inflates... Oh wait, no it doesn't. So when prices go up, that's NOT what inflation is. Inflation is the expansion of something - the expansion of the currency supply. Price rises are only a symptom of inflation. So they will tell you there's no 'inflation' because prices aren't going up during a time when they've locked down the economy, while they print currency like there's no tomorrow https://youtu.be/K0VKzNtZupA
Most economists have been taught by Marxists. This is why we're moving into negative interest rate territory and massive inflation - they don't like money (capital, Capitalism) and want to destroy it, and replace it with state control. This is why they'll happily stand there and lie to you about the definition of inflation, or say gold is a "relic of the past", and tell you why banning cash is a good thing https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/01/benefits-cashless-society-mobile-payments/
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"The public sector can generate profit"
Profit is an indication that you're providing value to society, which is why society rewards you with wealth. States do not provide value to society. If they did, they wouldn't need to force society to give money to them (taxation). The fact that taxation is not voluntary is proof that the public sector does not provide value to society. If it does not provide value, it cannot generate a profit.
You also have the socialist economic calculation problem which prevents them from realizing how wasteful they're being with resources that could be used better elsewhere (thus any 'profits' a state makes is less-ideal than a private individual), but I won't get into that.
"Unregulated capitalism doesn't maximise general profit."
Regulation = a reduction of wealth and value creation. All regulations hurt the economy and shrink living standards. The consumer should decide what they buy, not some tyrant in a bureaucracy.
"If there are no regulations, the most profitable activity is not labour but theft."
The only way to earn wealth is to give to your community, not take from it. If everyone is stealing from one another, you do not have wealth, you have anarchy. That is why socialist economies collapse, because taxation is theft, and 100% taxation is slavery.
Capitalism is about cooperation. Capitalists realize that the only way to make money is to give to society. Society then rewards you for your giving. Theft is not giving, it is taking.
"Profit maximisation is not always desirable."
Profit is an indication that you're providing society with value that it wants. If you have high profits, your services are in demand, and thus you should use your profit to reinvest in your business. If your profits are low, then society has told you that what you're producing is not in demand. Maximizing profits is maximizing the value you give to society. It is always desirable, unless you want consumers to have less goods and services.
"For example, in an entirely private health system, the poorest wouldn't be cured."
This is stupid. Wake up please https://youtu.be/0uPdkhMVdMQ
https://youtu.be/F-QftFQfJrE
"To conclude, the public sector can absolutely be beneficial to the private sector."
If taxes are not voluntary, the public sector (a non-economy) is a leech on the private sector (the actual economy), which, if it gets too big and sucks too much blood from the private sector, and collapses the actual economy.
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"This is a more accurate representation of the political spectrum and you can put a lot more aspects in a political compas but classifying in a single spectrum is impossible. To me four spectrums (didn't use that one) is the most accurate you need to get."
If a King collects taxes, then you're not economically free. You therefore cannot have a right-authoritarian on the compass. Similarly, if the collective is in control of your economy, you're not politically free. Thus you cannot have a left-libertarian on the compass. It turns out that the top right and bottom left squares are impossibilities and thus redundant. You're then left with a line. A line like this - https://www.metabunk.org/metamirror_cache/www.therightplanet.com_wp_content_uploads_2011_09_true_political_spectrum.png
I also showed a similar political spectrum in the video itself.
"Didn't know 17th century Europe was socialist. Slavery can exist in both sides of the spectrum..."
You cannot have slavery under capitalism because private citizens are in control of their own economy. You can't have slavery if every private citizen is free, which they are under capitalism. So, in the past, where there has been slaver - that's not capitalism.
"in anarcho-capitalism there's no regulation so you can go wild and just have slaves or maybe you prefer the term pay-them-so-little-they-are-like-slaves."
If you have slavery, you don't have capitalism. Also, if you pay them and they are free to leave, they're not slaves. I covered this in the video. In addition, a lack of regulation does not instantly mean that there is no law. Private Sector law still exists. Only Public Sector law does not.
""To their view if government does things it's left-wing." Tell me was Otto von Bismarck a socialist or a conservative, his government did things and it was and is considered Right-wing, also didn't know anarcho-communism was Right-wing."
Interestingly, you're quoting yourself and disagreeing with yourself here. Bismark implemented socialist policies, such as pensions. Anarcho-Communism isn't Right-Wing. I never said it is, and I addressed Anarcho-Communism in the video.
"I was complimenting your military history knowledge and videos but only miliatary history. I know econòmics is part of history I just don't think you are the best or the most honest at explaining it."
I favour the strongest and most logical arguments. Arguments that are flawed get taken down, and hard. That's what I've always done and always will do. The idea that Fascism or National Socialism was capitalism is just ridiculous, as this video makes blatantly clear.
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They weren't. I'll paste my reply to someone else - As shown in the video, the Germans lose by 1941 (or 1942 at the latest). In 1941, when the Germans and Axis invade the Soviet Union they outnumbered the Red Army. There were 3,957,910 Axis troops (3,118,910 German plus 839,000 Axis Allies) vs 2,743,000 Soviet troops on the 22/06/1941.
Yes, the Soviets sent in reinforcements, but that doesn't mean on day 2 the Germans suddenly faced a billion Soviets. On the 11/09/1941 the Soviets had 3,463,000 men, vs 4,215,147 Axis troops (3,382,000 German and 833,147 Allied). And between the 22nd of June and the 30th of September, Soviet losses amounted to 2,817,303. So effectively, they had taken losses equivalent to their border army, and now had 3,463,000 troops at the front, vs 4,215,147 Axis. So yes, during this initial period of the war, the Germans and Axis outnumber the Soviets.
The Axis are only outnumbered for the first time in December 1941, which is coincidentally the first time they're thrown back.
German casualties on the Eastern Front for 1941 were 312,600, plus Axis allied losses of 81,500, for a total of 384,100 total Axis losses in 1941.
For the whole of 1941, the Soviets lost 4,791,300 men. On the 1st of December 1941, they had 4,197,000 men at the front. Add them together, gives you 8,988,300 (admittingly, we're a month out from 1st of December to January, but you get the point).
During this vital time on the Eastern Front - June to October/November - the Germans outnumber the Red Army. Yet they are not able to achieve strategic victory. In fact, their offensive grinds to a halt through lack of oil (as the main factor, though there are other factors). We can therefore conclude they are not outnumbered.
And outproduced? The Soviets are busy transporting their industries to the Urals. Production does not catch up until late 1942. I'm planning on doing a video on this, but it's hard to see how between June 22nd 1941 and October 1941 how the Soviets out-produced and outnumbered the Germans, when in reality their army was smaller at any one given moment in time than the Germans. Yes, they eventually outnumbered the Germans, but by that point the war is arguably lost. Only Hitler's last gamble to take the Caucasus is what could save him, and while the Soviets do outnumber the Germans at this point (5,313,000 Red Army vs 3,578,000 Axis troops on the 07/06/1942) along the whole front, the Germans concentrate their forces in the south, achieving local superiority. In fact, at Stalingrad, Paulus's 80,000 men who took part in the initial assault on the city, outnumber Chuikov's army, which never exceeds 54,000 men. It's not until after the campaign becomes static that the Soviets are truly able to gather the resources needed to outnumber and thus defeat the Germans (Operation Uranus, Little Saturn etc). But as I said, it's arguable that the war was already lost by October 1941 (if not earlier) when the Axis enjoyed superiority in numbers.
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"When you live in the country shor.t of strategic resources the first thing you must do isn't take Moscow."
The reason Hitler goes to war in the first place is to secure the strategic resources Germany doesn't have. Nazis come to power 1933, and by 1935 they've come out of (what Hitler calls) "international Jewish finance" (world trade). Hitler rejects the idea of globalization and trade because he thinks Germany would be reliant on the other powers, which would then make her vunerable again like in WW1. So, he sets about a policy of Autarky (no-trade, self-sufficiency) and aims East to seize the land and resources Germany lacks (oil, food, metals etc).
So, the reason Germany is short of resources is because of the stifling of trade from ~1934 onwards. And obviously this is a deliberate policy because Hitler doesn't want to trade, he wants to steal the resources Germany needs. Therefore, he was intent on going East right from the beginning (1924 at the latest). It was central to his entire world view (his "Weltanschauung") and the reason he went to war in the first place.
"Hitler should have been attacking to procurar oil."
The oil Germany needed (since they can't trade for it) is in the Caucasus. This is why Germany went East. Romania didn't have enough, and they couldn't supply Rommel as it was, so going to the Middle East was out of the question. This is why Hitler is all about the southern front as I explained in my Fall Blau video https://youtu.be/hzr6dD8fvVY
"It never mattered that the German Army wasn't a hundred percent mechanized. Germany didn't have the gas any how."
Yes, and as I explained in the video, Germany's oil crisis was so severe that they had to de-motorize the Wehrmacht during the war. This is why they lost the war - because they didn't have the means to fight it. You can't have a Blitzkrieg if your tanks and Stukas don't have enough oil to run them. And this is why by 1942 the Germans weren't able to wage a full second 'Barbarossa'-type campaign in the East - they didn't have the oil to do so.
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George, your comments are automatically flagged as held for review - not sure why, but YouTube doesn't seem to like your comments. And in response to your comment, all I'll say is that I welcome criticism and opposition. In fact, that's part of the whole process of history, since it's a debate. What I won't accept is a response (like Peter's) where he hasn't even watched the video but is trying to argue against something I never stated. Same goes with your argument.
I never said that Hitler was never not going to invade the USSR. What I said was that this invasion was dictated by the oil crisis, forcing the Germans to attack in 1941. The timing of the attack is dictated by the oil crisis. The emphasis is on the southern front, which Halder ignored in the planning stages of Barbarossa. It also explains why they went south to the Caucasus in 1942.
I also never said that Germany wasn't fighting a war of aggression. In fact, I argue that it was in tomorrow's video. However, Germany fought a war of aggression precisely because they didn't have the fuel (or other resources) naturally in Germany to protect themselves. I'm not sure how you misinterpreted what I was saying there, but you somehow did.
Hitler was racist and evil. But he wasn't insane (at least, not in the early war period - towards the end as death approached he may have been).
What you'll find is that this isn't one or another. Hitler's ideology goes hand-in-hand with the economic situation. He wanted to go east, AND he was aware of the oil crisis plaguing German's sphere of influence in Europe. This isn't a case of trying to rationalize Hitler's racism. You're trying to make out that I'm somehow justifying or downplaying the racism. That's absolutely not the case. The racism and the economic goals were merged. That's summed up with the phrase "Living Space". He wants room, he wants resources, he wants to dominate and enslave the Eastern peoples. But in this video, the argument is put forth that the timing of that invasion was dictated by the oil crisis and it explains why Germany only had a handful of motorized and armoured divisions compared to the Allied powers and the Soviets.
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In this case it's a chicken and egg scenario. What came first, ideology or economy? Living space was part of Hitler's agenda - but why? Because of the resources. Germany didn't have sufficient resources to protect herself. As shown in the video, there was a food crisis (which was somewhat manageable). However, the most severe resource that the Germans lacked was oil. This was why they had to go east when they did.
If their ideology couldn't coexist, why did Franco's Spain coexist? Also, you're forgetting Communism. The Soviet system couldn't coexist either, which is why lots of nations tried to crush it during the Russian Civil War, and in subsequent conflicts.
This war was about ideology, as much it was about resources. The oil crisis was the big motivating factor for many of the decisions made. It explains many of the aspects of the war. Please watch the video and find out. If you still disagree, fine, but you'll at least understand the perspective first. Right now, you're arguing against me over something I've not actually said, just because you've read the title and then not listened to the reasons *why*. You've just assumed several points that I'm not even saying. If you watch the video at least, and you still disagree, fine I'm happy to discuss it with you. But until you watch the video, then you're not actually grasping the points brought up within it.
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"You must be confusing private enterprise with free enterprise. Private enterprise means that businesses are privately owned, not that they are completely free from state intervention."
If it's not free, it's not private. Private means the individual owns his business, meaning he can do with it as he pleases. As soon as the totalitarian state "intervenes" in the business (in other words, takes it over), then it's no longer his business, even if he nominally has ownership of it.
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"There are many examples of totalitarian regimes with private enterprise, China being the most notorious one."
China is Communist with a policy of Gleichschaltung. It grants its people nominal ownership over its firms, which is enough to encourage them to actually work (rather than starve), but they don't actually have much power, which is why the State is constantly mandating that they shut parts of their economy down.
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@
Duhduhduh Buhbuhbuh "All great but TIk seriously, "socialist policies are designed to destroy economy". Is that a quote from objective historian?"
Yes, this is actually very objective. If I'd said 'socialist policies are to help the economy', you'd know I was lying and pushing a socialist agenda. A statement of fact is being objective, especially when the evidence is clear, like the fact that minimum wage causes unemployment https://youtu.be/0fsVI3EmUnQ
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"Or "Tito did not care about civilians". Those both statements sound pretty amateurish to me."
Oh okay. Maybe a quote from a historian will help you change your mind -
“Tito began with a small popular base, and his basic strategy was to remove the party underground from the cities to the poorly supervised rural areas, seek support in the villages and among the roving groups of refugee Serbs, and create enough disorder to stimulate German reprisal actions, which would further radicalize the civilians and create more recruits for the Partisans.” - Milazzo, “The Chetnik Movement and the Yugoslav Resistance,” Kindle Chapter 2.
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"Real reason why Tito had more succes is that Communist movment was movment of all people of yugoslavia,unlike chetniks or ustashe that were nationalist movments. Brotherhood and unity was main creed of Tito partisans"
Except, of course, all the people who fought against him and his international movement, which included all the nationalist movements.
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"It is not my mother tongue"
Right, that explains some of the issues.
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"didn't you say at 2:07 "unconditionnal surrender was signed by Yugoslav High command on 17th of Arpil 1941"? If yes, this is false"
Okay, but here's a direct quote from a history book -
"Less than two weeks after the war had begun, on 17 April 1941, the rout was complete and the Yugoslav High Command was compelled to sign an unconditional surrender." - Milazzo, “The Chetnik Movement and the Yugoslav Resistance,” Kindle Chapter 1.
And another quote from another book -
"On April 17, two representatives of the Yugoslav General Staff and of the absent Royal Government capitulated to the Germans in Belgrade." - Roberts, "Tito, Mihailović, and the Allies," P17.
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Damo, this is not about freedom of speech. You CAN discuss the Holocaust. You CAN discuss and revise the details. You just can't legally DENY it happened in certain countries - which, if you do, is a hateful and racist act against the Jews. It is a hate crime - and that's why I'm justified in calling out people who claim what you claim to be racist, because it is. You can try and distance yourself from the racist aspect of what you're saying, but it undercuts everything you say. Why? Let me explain -
The Holocaust of WW2 is a part of the wider mass murder committed by the Nazis. The Holocaust refers to the Jewish portion of that mass murder. 5-6 million Jews were killed by the Nazis in WW2 in the Holocaust, which itself was part of the wider Nazi mass murder of millions more people other than Jews (some sources claim the total figure, including Jews, could be as high as 20 million). This higher number includes all the people starved to death across Europe, from the Netherlands, to Greece, to the Ukraine, and elsewhere. It includes the Commissar order. It includes the persecution of millions of Soviet citizens who lost their homes and were forced into slave labour, where they died through shootings and beating. It includes the euthanasia program, which started in the early 1930's. And this does not include the military deaths inflicted on the battlefields. You're claiming you're not racist, or not a neo-Nazi/fascist. Then why deny/question just the Holocaust, and not the rest of the mass murders committed by the Nazis?
The difference between the events you listed and the Holocaust is quite obvious. The Holocaust was the systematic killing of a racial group outside of war, similar to the Armenian Holocaust (which, I will add, Turkey is also denying that event happened - if only there was a law that forced them to remember what they did) or the Stalinist purges. The Dresden, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki bombings were conducted during wartime against enemy states (like the Blitz). And we can talk about the moralistic nature of those individual events all you like, just as we can discuss the moralistic nature of the Holocaust - all of these were immoral. But, nobody's denying that Hiroshima happened. Nobody's questioning whether the Blitz happened. But they are questioning the Holocaust, and they are deliberately trying to downplay the numbers, in order to show that Nazism and fascism is a viable alternative to democracy. In addition, the main difference between these events is that the Holocaust was an international event, affecting event country in Europe (and beyond) and, as I said, was the systematic industrial elimination of an internal racial group. That sets it apart from the WW2 bombings, for example. Yes, the Stalinist purges and the deaths of millions of Soviet citizens happened, but nobody's trying to deny that happened, or downplay the numbers. Again, this is a difference between this event and the Holocaust. They are questioning whether the Holocaust happened. They are trying to downplay the numbers. And they're doing it for racial reasons. That's the difference.
You talk about Communism killing 10 times the number of people. Alright. Your point is what though? Most people hate communists as much as they hate Nazis. And those are different topics. Let's stick to this one - the Nazi mass murders of WW2, and the part of that mass murder called the Holocaust. You ARE allowed to discuss it - just not deny it happened. But if you do discuss it, let's not misquote people or distort facts and figures, or base arguments on flawed logic (as you're doing right now). And if you do question it, question it somewhere else, because this channel is about discussing facts, using arguments backed up by actual evidence - not fiction. You have presented an argument based on the lie that you cannot discuss the Holocaust. And if you continue to do this, and continue to spout complete and utter hateful lies in the comment section, I will be forced to take action.
"One final observation you don't have to believe we went to the moon, you don't have to believe the earth is round and spinning, you don't have to believe in religion or God, but you must believe in the Holocaust narrative or you will be ostracized or even jailed!"
Right... but people do believe that those events didn't happen. But if you did think the world is flat, nobody is harmed. If you think the moon landing didn't happen, nobody's harmed. If you don't believe in God, nobody's harmed. If you don't believe in the Holocaust, you're harming people who either survived it, knew people who survived it, and are doing so for racist reasons. That's the difference. Denying the Holocaust or questioning that it happened at all or deliberately downplaying the numbers is a hate crime, harmful to other people.
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"Revisionists want to fit a social perspective" "Revisionist historians do rewrite history to put a political or emotional spin"
So, what social, emotional or political perspective am I putting on history?
And, what makes you think the historians immediately after the events also didn't put their own spin on things? Why are they more pious than us now? Surely, they are no better than us?
"but the histories were pretty good, the more revised history is, the less clear..."
Things aren't always as simple as people make them out to be. Historians of the past went with the simple answers - 'we can't explain this yet, therefore we conclude that Hitler was a madman'. Later, their omissions or mistakes were cleared up. So, in reality, history is getting more clearer as time goes on. There are people who say, the further from the events you go, the more creases are ironed out of the narrative. It's better as time goes on, so long as you don't deliberately distort history or lie.
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Having dipped my toe into WW2 Balkan politics in my Croatian Legion video (I didn't actually bring up the politics, but the viewers certainly did), I'm a little reluctant to go back to it. That said, I think I've read a lot of the politics and the 'propaganda' being written there, and I can absolutely see why someone like yourself would get disheartened by the revision of history.
As I said in the video, there's a distinction between the good revision of history (questioning things or presenting evidence to seek the truth) and the bad revision of history (that distort history to fit some sort of agenda or bias). You've seen the dark-side of historical revisionism (what I'm now calling 'distorianism') and how it's bad. But when you say "Noone's interested in truth, which history should provide." - that's exactly what a good revisionist historian is trying to do.
The best way to look into history is gather all the sources, from all sides, and evaluate it. Question those assumptions. Ask "but is this really the case?" And try not to let your own biases get in the way. So, in your case, look at the old view and question it, then look at the new view, and question it again. Put them both together and see what you get. By questioning things, you'll find yourself moving closer to the truth.
I don't really know much about the history of your country or your former country. But there will be truths on both sides. History is not as black or white as people think it is. Now, one side may (in the end) be slightly more truthful than the other, or slightly more right than the other. But the other side will not be inherently wrong either.
And one last thing, historians provide history books - but it is you that has to do the reading. You're the one who interprets the history that the historians provide. And if you're only reading historians that say "Hitler is blonde" because that makes you feel good - because that's your comfort zone - then you're probably not going to find the truth.
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Once a business gets to a certain point, it becomes totally inefficient. The only way to grow larger is to have an unfair advantage over the competition, and that unfair advantage is government support. The Establishment love syndicates (corporations) because it's easier to control a few giant bureaucracies than it is to control millions of small businesses. Thus, they use the expropriation of private property (taxation, inflation, outright theft) to redistribute wealth to themselves, but also to their corporations. The workers and small businesses are crushed under the power of the State, while the big inefficient businesses are propped up. This is why socialism always fails, because the more you crush the productive private economy, you're left with the unproductive public portion, which is why millions starve to death.
So you're right that businesses grow too big in our current system, but the reason why they grow big and gain monopolies is because of the State. This is why socialists are incorrect: they're advocating for the very thing that will make the situation worse.
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There are a bunch of crying Marxists in the comments, but you have to look a bit deeper because they're not getting many upvotes. And normally my commenters are quite decent overall. I obviously get the meme comments, and the haters, but this channel tends to have a decent number of people who actually write decent historical stuff.
Unfortunately this video hasn't performed well at all in its first few hours. Most of my regular viewers haven't watched it, and are probably unlikely to do so. Not sure if it's being suppressed by the algorithm, or just people aren't interested. It was posted on a Thursday, so it's not the regular day I post. But either way, I think many of my regular viewers haven't shown up. A bunch of Nazis have, and it's surprising to me to hear that Nazis genuinely didn't know about Marx's racism. I thought this was common knowledge, but clearly not. Some are now saying they like Marx because of his racism, which should explain why Leftists can't find the Nazis in real life. The smart Nazis aren't skinheads, they're in the Lamestream political parties pretending to be non-Nazi-racists
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"You might not like football, lager and limes, but the stereotype exists for a reason. There's a grain of truth behind every stereotype. Can you judge an individual by a group stereotype? Absolutely not. Can you judge a group at large by their stereotypes? To an extent, yeah."
Well, no you can't, and you've just admitted that. If I supposedly belong to the group of "whites" or the "British nationality", then I don't fit the bill. Thus, the 'group' doesn't exist. If the rest of my supposed "fellow countrymen" committed a crime or belong to a stereotype, I don't see why I should be judged by their standards or actions. If another "white guy" commits a crime, I don't go to jail for it because I didn't commit the crime. Punish the individual, not the group.
If I pointed at a large group of British men and said "all of them have shaved heads" then the chances are that would be false. The stereotype of a 'group' doesn't fit all of them, proving that not only does the stereotype not exist, but that the 'group' doesn't exist either. There are idiots in every 'group', just like there are smart people in every 'group'. We shouldn't be judging a huge swathe of the population just because a few are bad apples. And the reason why is because we're all individuals. Once you accept that, you'll get over the idea of 'race' or 'gender' or 'class' and start seeing the world for the way it really is.
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"I'm confused here, what are you trying to prove? That Nazi Germany was going to make a fine civilization and Britain felt threatened by its vast expansion?"
No, the opposite. Germany wasn't going to make a 'fine civilization' by any stretch of the imagination.
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"That Germany was just minding its own business and gaining land, all the while Britain couldn't stand by and allow a united Europe to occur under one country?"
'Gaining land' or 'minding your own business' are two opposite concepts. Taking someone else's land isn't minding your own business, since you're directly taking someone else's land. But yes, Britain couldn't allow Europe to be united under one dominant power.
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"Are you saying that none of the previous non-aggression acts that Hitler committed prior to WWII led to Britain having to declare war on a out of control society."
Invading Austria, Czechoslovakia and Poland was non-aggressive?
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"Hitler taking the Rhineland, Hitler taking half of Czechoslovakia, then taking the rest, all while mobilizing a massive military that was banned under the first Treaty of Versailles? This was bound to happen, Hitler stabbed Chamberlain in the back with the Munich Agreement, then it was less than one year later than Germany marched into Poland to start World War II. French and British leaders both knew what Hitlers goal was, and it wasn't to peacefully transition power in Europe into a federation of nations that was for sure."
Yes. Correct.
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@Medhead101 So, I have read "Hidden History: Secret Origins of the First World War", and I'm not convinced. To be honest, the source reads like fan-fiction rather than a history book. I also more recently got "Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution" by Sutton (not had time to read it yet), but I'm aware of the criticism of it. I'm also yet to be convinced that WW2 was a 'bankers war', for many reasons that are too complicated to get into here, but one simply one is that Hitler clearly wasn't in the pockets of the international bankers - he dominated the Reichsbank, not the other way round.
Now, that's not to say that I'm against the idea of there being a group of international bankers pulling the strings. I'm just not convinced that every event in the past 150 years can be explained by this mysterious group of financiers. The arguments I've come across so far just simply fall flat, especially regarding Hitler (a subject I know very well). Perhaps I can be persuaded, but I need more hard and irrefutable facts, presented by better authors, who's arguments stand up to scrutiny.
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Obviously the Fasces came from Ancient Rome. However, considering that this video is about FASCISM and not Ancient Rome, it makes sense to point out how the FASCISTS viewed the idea of the Fasces, rather than the Ancient Romans.
Also, at no point did I say that the origin of the word "fasces" was "trade union". If you listen to what I actually said, you'll hear me say that the Italians (not the Ancient Romans, the Italians from the 1800s and 1900s) called their trade unions "fasci". To quote what I said:
"In Italian, a bundle of sticks is a ‘Fascio’. Oh, that’s why trade unions in Italy were called ‘Fascio’. Plural, ‘Fasci’. And is why ‘Fascism’ literally means ‘trade unionism’ or ‘power to the trade unions’"
I then gave a direct quote from a book to back this up:
“...the word fascio means literally bundle and had been used for a long time as an alternative to union.” - from Farrell, "Mussolini: A New Life," Chapter 5.
I then proceeded to say that Fascism was trade unionism.
Thus, while the Fasces originated in Ancient Rome, by the time we get to Italy in the 1800s, trade unions were called Fasci. In effect, you got the whole thing backwards, then wrote a comment criticising me for saying things that I didn't say.
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But I don't believe in an "ideology". I believe in history/scientific theory, which rejects ideology and places emphasis on facts and logic. The issue is that we live in a postmodernist age where people believe in ideology, and believe that facts and logic don't matter, and that all that matters is your emotions and power. My main opposition actually comes from these pseudo-religious ideologues, and there's currently no real antidote to them. This has actually been a major contributing factor to my burnout - because everything I say is instantly dismissed by them, slandered and called into question at a fundamental level (say, on a personal level, or a nationality level, or a gender level, or a "racial" level, none of which shouldn't really be a factor). I spend serious amounts of time trying to find solutions to this problem, and have yet to fully formulate a remedy.
And, by the way, believing in economics, science or history is not an ideology. Ideology goes against natural law, like you said, which is why I'm fighting against them.
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As I explained in the first video, because of their inflation policies, they know that inflation would lead to higher rent prices. So they implemented rent controls. Rent control (just like any sort of "controls") have unintended consequences. Artificially lowering the rents via rent control, causes landlords and builders to stop investing in properties, meaning few get built, and those that are in existence end up being neglected. In essence, you get a shortage, which is exactly what's happening now in the UK and elsewhere in the world.
Same applies with house purchasing. Less revenue due to price fixing leads to fewer builds, and less incentive to invest. Shortages occur, then get blamed on the "failure of capitalism". Politicians NEVER learn, and neither do the gullible people who vote for such politicians.
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It's true that armies are disruptive, and there will always be that element, no matter how noble the cause. That said, Rocket Man made the distinction between the SS and regular German Army troops. That distinction is part of the "clean Wehrmacht" idea, itself completely false. The regular army units did take part in massacres, did kill POWs, did kill civilians, did deport people as slaves, and did assist in extermination. Just because the German generals after the war tried to show themselves as innocent, and just because the political situation during the Cold War allowed them an out, that does not mean they didn't do those things.
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It's true that armies are disruptive, and there will always be that element, no matter how noble the cause. That said, Rocket Man made the distinction between the SS and regular German Army troops. That distinction is part of the "clean Wehrmacht" idea, itself completely false. The regular army units did take part in massacres, did kill POWs, did kill civilians, did deport people as slaves, and did assist in extermination. Just because the German generals after the war tried to show themselves as innocent, and just because the political situation during the Cold War allowed them an out, that does not mean they didn't do those things.
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"We, as a society, agree to pay taxes, because it benefits us. I does not mean we always agree to it, and that all taxes are beneficial, or that taxation is always warranted. However, as a very general rule, we do agree to it, for the very reason stated above."
You've just contradicted yourself, which proves that what you're saying is nonsense. Taxes are not agreed on, they're enforced, which means we don't have a choice. If we don't have a choice, that's because we're not free - we're slaves. And, with an understanding of basic economics, you'll realise that taxes don't benefit us in the slightest. Stealing money off the poor and the middle income earners, and then redistributing that money to the rich, doesn't help us. The roads and services they supposedly provide come only through corruption and waste. A free market would provide these things so much better, cheaper and more efficiently.
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"Nobody ever agreed to be robbed or have things stolen from them."
Exactly. It's theft.
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"Because we work as a team."
No we don't. There is no 'we', there is only you and I. There are only individuals. Our pursuit of self-interest results in excess production, which we then trade with each other. Trade benefits both parties, otherwise neither side would agree to the trade. Thus, individuals benefit each other. There is no 'we' in this "society". Society doesn't exist, there are only individuals.
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"We all need roads, an army, a police, a court system and more."
Arguably, but these don't need to be provided by tyrants. A free market can provide these things without the theft, corruption or Playdohphilia that goes hand-in-hand with the State.
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"If you defect from it, you basically become a sort of a parasite, who reaps all the benefits of a working system, while you contribute nothing to it."
Every single person who earns money via the State taxation and inflation system, leeched off the hard-working members of the private economy. It's the State that is the parasite, not the people who actually work in the real economy. The State "economy" (the Public Sector) isn't a real economy; it doesn't produce anything of value, and only exists because it enslaves the rest of us through the taxation and inflation system, which it enforces through the use of immoral practices - theft and forceful coercion. The people who don't contribute to the system are the Playdoh politicians, the Gestapo police force, the civil servants, the tax men, the unemployed benefit scroungers, and all the freaks who work in the criminal justification system.
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"That's why paying taxes became a moral issue among citizens ."
Yes, and those who pay taxes are being exploited by an unethical and immoral system which is corrupt to the core. That's why it's every man's moral duty to stand up against this feudal system in any way he can.
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"With that said, I do not defend our current system beyond reason."
Yes you do. You've been arguing for our current system from day one, that's what socialists are all about - keeping the elite in power. Socialism is a war in the name of the poor, against the poor and the middle class, for the benefit of the rich and powerful. You're doing the bidding of the so-called "capitalists" whilst thinking you're fighting for the poor. One day, hopefully, you'll wake up.
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"Citizens who worked hard trying to fix their faulty capitalism, or the revolutionaries, who tried to create an utopia?"
Neither! Instead of the backing the elite through Capitalism or Communism, let's do something different - let's free ourselves from the feudalism and implement a free market.
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"What's worse, even communism sorta worked."
No it didn't. It only survived as long as it did in the Soviet Union because they didn't fully nationalise the economy, and also copied the price system of the west. Without these dynamics the Soviet Union would have collapsed within a couple of years, which is why Lenin had to backtrack and implement the NEP.
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"Ancap? Nope. Never. Never will. It's literally worse than communism."
I see... Concentration camps good, freedom to own your own lives bad?
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"Nope. By society I mean society."
Nope, because as I have explained a million times, society is the state; they are one and the same. So, even if you don't realise it, by society you mean the state. That's why when you say "but you've got to contribute to society", you mean "pay your taxes". Who do you pay your taxes too? Society??? No, you pay them to the State, because the State is Society.
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"If your society became so divided, that nothing but force keeps you guys together, you guys barely have a society."
Which is why our "Society" (the State) uses force. Without colossal and tyrannical force, there would be no State, because the State can only exist through force.
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"So he shared your genuinely (for once!) far right views."
I don't have far right views. There you go again, spouting the leftist talking points like a good little fascist.
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@bakters "Taxation is taxation, thievery is thievery. You might consider those things to be related, but do not equate them, or you are doing the "woke" thing, of smearing the definitions of words beyond recognizable borders."
Let's just stick to this for a moment. Could you explain to me why, when someone robs you at gunpoint, that's called theft. Yet, when someone robs you at gunpoint, but he's wearing a name-badge that reads "the taxman", that's not considered theft? It seems like theft to me.
I've worked hard to earn my pay. Why should I be compelled under threat of force to hand over that pay? And what gives you the right to tell me what I should or shouldn't do with the money that I earned? If you say "you've got to contribute to society", I would point out that by "society" you mean "the State", which in the case of the UK is full of degenerate Playdohs. Please explain to me why you think you have the right to force me to contribute to the Playdohs.
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Forget the % rubbish. Let's do the personal maths for the NHS. I've been paying National Insurance Tax every month for 12 years. I've been to the doctor's three times. So let's just say I've paid just £50 to the NHS each month for argument's sake (it's probably much more than that because of VAT and all the various taxes, but let's keep it this low to show the point). £50 times 12 months, times 12 years, is £7,200. I've been to the doctor's 3 times for a check up, so divide by 3 is £2,400 per check up. Please tell me how that's cheap, and how I'm 8% better off. Especially when you see online that a visit to an expensive private health care doctor in an artificially higher cost economy isn't anywhere near that expensive. And this is just assuming I've paid just £50 a month! Chances are it's much more than that. And again, if we weren't in an unfree health care market, the price would be lower for the private sector, making even better savings. The best part is that on only one occasion did I need to get medicine. And I had to pay for it, because I work. If I bummed off the state, I'd get it for free. Fairness.
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@Derwitt - right, so you understand the concept of 1984 being bad. Now the question is, why is it bad?
The 1984 state says decreases the chocolate ration but says they're increasing it. Our state decreases the amount of money in our pockets but says they're increasing it. This is called taxation. You are literally arguing that the chocolate ration in 1984 is increasing. And the reason you're doing that is because you're not seeing the wider economic or political picture.
The reason 1984 is bad is because Winston is forced to think in a certain way, act in a certain way, and work in a certain way. He has no choice and therefore he has no freedom. But you are telling me to do the exact same thing. You're happy to take my freedom of choice away, and then say that I'm more free. Well, no. You might benefit if I pay for your healthcare, but I don't. Therefore I should have the option of not paying for the NHS or any other government scheme.
If I have no choice, what difference is there to slavery? If I have my money taken off me by the state, what difference is there between that and not getting paid? And I can get whipped for no reason at all (as I said, the police can arrest you for no reason at all right now in the UK). All of this does sound a bit like slavery to me.
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"Well, the Conservatives since 2010 have presided over deep cuts to overall police numbers and budgets."
And yet our taxes have remained high. If this was a free market, and we decided to cut back on spending, we'd have more money in our pockets rather than in government pockets.
"They are spread thin and cannot be everywhere."
Yes, because the government is poor when it comes to managing other people's money. This is what I've been saying.
"But I have had, I am happy to say at least, no problems when it comes to getting the police to respond."
Well, don't come to our area.
"Plus if you travel on a road at all, have clean tap water gurgle forth, consume food that is subject to inspection and regulation, and any myriad of other things you and I see plenty of benefit for the tax we send to HMRC."
Cars are very complicated things, yet aren't created by governments. Roads don't have to be created by governments either. Water and food can be purchased from water and food companies. If they make someone sick, you go elsewhere, and they go out of business. This is why it's in the company's own interests to ensure they're giving the best products and services to their customers.
"Plus the 10% I am referring to is to healthcare, which as I have demonstrated with linked sources, is considerably less expensive than the US variant."
But again, I don't want to pay for either. My health is a private affair, not a public affair. Somehow you still haven't grasped this concept that nobody else should take ownership over how I live my life. It's not up to you or anyone else to worry about my health care.
"Second, the British education system is less expensive and delivers better academic outcomes than the far more expensive US system"
The public education system in Britain absolutely sucks, and I know because I was unfortunate enough to go through the damn thing. At least 90% of the teachers couldn't teach, and half the classes were a total waste of time. One teacher in primary school told me I'd never amount to anything. I wasted a significant amount of my time pretending to play football in "PE" lessons, and receiving totally awful and pointless French lessons, which I don't remember a single phrase from. I actually learnt more French from Dexter's Laboratory. I asked if I could learn German instead (because I was more interested in that) and they said no because I had to be good at French first!? And don't get me started on RE lessons.
Now you might ask, why did I turn out ok? Because I decided to take my education into my own hands. In the end, my parents had to get a private tutor to come out for a few months to teach me basic maths because the school system simply didn't work. I've never taken a philosophy class in my life, but I read the works of Plato's Republic and other classic texts. I taught myself to play guiter and music theory (learnt absolute zero in the "music" classes we had at school). And the history I know was 99% self taught, even though I did take it in college and university. Worse, they taught me that Hitler was a capitalist! They're actively brainwashing people into believing Marxist propaganda. It's terrible.
Overall it's absolutely insane how much we're paying for an education system that is as poor as it is. If only we had a choice to go private. But we've already paid once for the public system, so we can't afford to pay a second time for private education. Dreadful.
"Where they are better maintained, in France and Germany, taxes and fees are even higher, so there are trade offs."
I do believe we've just seen riots in France due to the high taxes.
"Higher taxes - better government services. Lower taxes - worse government services."
But the best that the government can offer is poor compared to what we could do if we traded our money directly to the places where we need it to go https://youtu.be/gOJiayZoNDI
"So overall you and I do benefit and even if we don't there will come a time when we will."
No, we don't benefit at all. They're giving you a poor service, even at their best.
"In the event of a healthcare emergency in the UK, you don't need to worry about that and having to spend extra money to stay alive. You've already paid."
Yes, I've paid 12 years worth of money for 3 checkups. If I'd kept that money for myself, I'd have plenty more money for the emergency situations. Unfortunately that choice was taken from me by other people who think they can dictate how I live my life.
"Plus i really don't think that UK police are comparable to the Gestapo."
The police in the UK can arrest you at anyone at any time even if you haven't committed a crime. This is a nice introduction to the topic https://youtu.be/uHG5iVTqpIE
"And in the US you have to pay into social security. And in every developed country there are compulsory old age savings schemes of one kind or another."
Yes and it's getting worse as socialism spreads.
"But just because you pay into these systems does not mean anyone is forcing you to retire at 65, 67, 69 or any other age. You can continue working as long as you want to. But once you reach a certain age you are entitled to a BSP. You've paid into it, you've earned it, its your right. But that doesn't mean you have to stop working. Go on working as long as you want. Just because you have to contribute to a national pension scheme, that won't stop you from working until the last day you want to work."
If you keep working your pension gets hammered by tax. So not only have I paid into something I don't plan to use and would rather have the money now so that I can invest it in better ways that will provide me more money in the long run, but if I do choose to keep working they'll take it off me. Pointless.
Plus, why would we think the government won't just scrap the pension scheme entirely at some arbitary point?
I'd rather have the money back now. I could use that money to better fund this channel, or invest it in better ways than the government could ever do. If only I had that choice . If only other people weren't taking that choice from me.
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"@TIK so you're ok with limited socialism, because you can't have no socialism, because the state doing things is socialism,"
No, the state doing things is not socialism. The state owning or controlling the economy is socialism.
"So this state can presumably levy taxes,"
Yes.
"If a state levies taxes, it interferes in the market. If it spends money to equip an army, it interferes in the market."
We have to have law and order. Beyond that, the state is inefficient and costly to the people. Therefore we need limited taxation in order to protect our society and the ability to trade within it. Beyond that, the state is not required.
That said, levying taxes is an interference in the market - but a necessary evil when it comes to protecting the market in order for the people to prosper. This is a slight reduction of freedom. Considering we're going from +35% tax to say 5% tax, this is more freedom, not less, comrade.
"...conscript soldiers, prevent people from crossing its borders, and enforce laws that it passes on its own authority, right?"
I never said they could conscript soldiers. They can recruit soldiers, but never conscript them. They can prevent people from crossing borders and enforce laws that passes on its own authority - but which are there to maintain the freedom and safety of its citizens and economy.
"Gee, it really sounds like I don't have a lot of individual choice in the matter."
If you want to give more to the government, go right ahead.
"Your ideal state is beginning to sound like a socialist tyranny to me, comrade!"
How can giving people more freedom in how they live their lives be slavery? You really need to reconsider your socialist stance because you're blinded by your faith.
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@ John Smith "ok, since you apparently believe only 100% voluntarism is "freedom":" and "Is there a political system? If so, what powers do elected representatives have?"
At no point did I say that. I don't believe in socialism, which means I want the government out of the economy. That doesn't mean there's no government. It just means it doesn't get involved in business affairs and tax rates are low as they can be. There's still an army, judiciary, and minor non-business enterprises.
"What does your ideal society do when it is militarily threatened?"
Use it's military.
"How are its emergency services structured?"
Independantly from the government, just like any other business.
"Are all freely entered-into contracts valid? If so, does that mean one can sell himself into slavery? If not, what gives the state the right to interfere in contracts?"
Again, there has to be law in order to allow two individuals to co-exist. So yes, contracts are binding, and no you cannot sell yourself into slavery. The state can interfere when contracts are lawfully broken. The point is that they cannot be the ones to make or get involved in those contracts in the first place.
"Who creates laws?"
The judiciary.
"Do national borders exist?"
Yes, but tariffs are kept extremely low to benefit the consumer.
"Who builds the roads?"
A road-building company.
"If you answer any of these things by reference to governmental power, your ideal system is not "free" because my freedom of choice is being oppressed by the state."
No, it's called a limited state. Socialism is the government in the economy. It doesn't mean that there is no government, it just doesn't get involved in the matters of the people unless the laws that allow freedom of speech and trade are broken.
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"Given that your tax money is then spent in the NHS, that money is reappearing in the economy and creating jobs in the health care industry - nurses, doctors, health care equipment manufacturers, pharmaceuticals, chemicals etc."
If this was the case, why not just give my money directly to the hospital instead of paying a government bureaucracy to take a cut? More money can go to the hospitals and less to the government if I pay directly to the hospitals.
I only pay a restaurant when I go to one. I should only pay a hospital when I go to one, not when I don't use one but get billed anyway. No matter how you phrase it, paying for something you don't use is not beneficial to me.
Also, your assumption is not true anyway. I would spend my money elsehwere in the economy which would also create jobs. Even if the government was 100% efficient with my money (which they're absolutely not) then at best all they're doing is moving jobs from places where demand is, to places where demand isn't. If we wanted health care, we'd pay for it directly without tax, and more money would go directly to the hospitals rather than to the pockets of politicians. But if I don't want health care and wanted to spend my money elsewhere instead, I can't do that because my money has been taken from me by force. This causes a loss in jobs in one area, for an artificial increase in jobs somewhere else, which we don't even need because if we needed it we would be spending money on it anyway.
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@Dewitt Bourchier - I'm a low income worker, and I'm not in poverty. Only people who don't work are 'constrained', and rightly so. You are what you produce. If you produce nothing, you are nothing. This is why minimum wage is bad, because it reduces employment and makes people unemployed, and thus 'constrains' them. It doesn't "reduce poverty" or "make jobs" as you claimed, it creates poverty and unemployment. This is basic economics.
You talk about the era of 1945-73, but if you look at Britain in that time it was a complete disaster. The socialism that Labour introduced in the 40's stiffled the once-free economy and even they had to abandon their nationalization program by the 50s because it was actually failing. By the 70s printed money was choking productivity in Britain to the point where we had workers demanding a 30% pay rise just to keep up with it. Rubbish was piling up in the streets because government workers were on strike, and the government had to ration electricity and turn it off because they couldn't afford to keep it running. It's the exact same now in Venezuela - the country with the most oil reserves in the world, where people are searching through rubbish to find scraps of food because the government is in control of the food industry. As I said, socialism creates starving millionaires.
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"Capitalism means that 1% , the "happy few", of the population is "free" , as you claim, while 99% , including you and me, are actually not.
Marxism was the try to policically liberate those 99% ( we do not talk about factual results, like Mao or Stalin) , by changing the game rules."
I am free. I can do what I want as long as I don't harm others. That's freedom. And the only reason the 1% have "all the money" is because you gave it to them. You've traded your money for a product that allows you to read these very words. If you really prefer the money, then don't buy products and services off other people, make everything you need yourself and regress back into the wild. You have the freedom to choose, but you've chosen to give your money away, and are now complaining that other people have money. Yes, of course they have money, you've given it to them and have received products and services in exchange. This is called trade .
The reason Jeff Bezos is a billionaire is because people give their money to Amazon in exchange for goods and services. They don't have to give their money to Amazon, but they choose to do so. I choose to do so because I want more books and equipment to make these videos. So I'm not going to complain that they have more money than me because I've willingly given them a load of money in exchange for their products and services. The 1% can only gain money if they give something back in return. That's why having a 1% is actually the sign of a healthy-working economy.
And this is the point. Socialism takes away that choice from people. You have to have someone else (a government or community) reach into your pocket and take out your money, and the will provide you with things like free health care (which is neither free, nor very good). Sorry, but that's not a choice nor is it free . In fact, it's incredibly expensive and inefficient. Stepping into the NHS in England is like time-warping back to the 1950s. I have friends who work in it that say they're still using paper and pencils rather than computers because, despite taking +35% of people's income in tax (impossible to calculate accurately due to stealth taxes and 20% VAT on most goods but is well over 30% for low-income earners), the government "administrators" (who do nothing except for receive fat pay checks) can't afford enough equipment for a crumbling health service. The best part is, I've been forced to pay into this scheme for 12 years, and have only needed to go for three check-ups in all that time. But apparently this is good and free for the workers. Absolute rubbish. It's a giant con.
As a worker, I'd rather have my money not taken off me in the first place and the freedom to spend the money I've earned the way I want to. If you want to pay into a rubbish government scheme, fine by me, but don't force me to pay for your health care. Socialism isn't about choice at all, it's about taking away that choice . It sounds lovely on the surface because these social revolutionaries are promising you the world. They're saying everything is free. Well, the only thing that's free is the cheese on the trap. Printing money doesn't increase the amount of goods you can buy. An economy doesn't work like that. This is why socialism always converts the poor into starving millionaires.
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"National Socialism does not advocate this and supports private property."
No it doesn't. Think about it - if you have private property, that's capitalism, not socialism. Capitalism is "international Jewish finance". If Hitler supported private property, he wouldn't be a socialist. This is why they abolished private property and nationalized the industries (calling it "privatization"). Yes, Hitler did retain the individual, but they had to submit to the national-community. That's state control of the individual - socialism - or as Hitler put it "socializing the people".
And you can't have a free-market state-controlled economy - that's a contradiction in terms. You also can't remove the Jews from society if you're not willing to violate the property rights of individuals.
Hitler made this very clear that the only difference between his socialism and Marxism was that he was advocating for the race, not the class. Otherwise there was no difference -
“The racial Weltanschauung [world view] is fundamentally distinguished from the Marxist by reason of the fact that the former recognizes the significance of race and therefore also personal worth and has made these the pillars of its structure.” Hitler, Mein Kampf P406
“If the National Socialist Movement should fail to understand the fundamental importance of this essential principle, if it should merely varnish the external appearance of the present State and adopt the majority principle, it would really do nothing more than compete with Marxism on its own ground. For that reason it would not have the right to call itself a Weltanschauung. If the social programme of the movement consisted in eliminating personality and putting the multitude in its place, then National Socialism would be corrupted with the poison of Marxism, just as our national-bourgeois parties are.” - Hitler, Mein Kampf P406-407
Yes there are differences between Marxism and National-Socialism, but neither are capitalist, which is why (although both hate each other) they're still both socialist (common-state-control of the means of production).
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The term "Totalitarian" was coined by Mussolini to describe his own regime - "all within the state, none outside the state, none against the state."
It means total-control over everything by the state, including the economy. Tooze may not use the word, but he makes things very clear -
Schacht centralized and heavily regulated the electricity production industry, which then sparked a new plan of economic administration. This was all in 1935. [Tooze's Wages of Destruction P111-112]
"...in practice the Reichsbank and the Reich Ministry of Economic Affairs had no intention of allowing the radical activists of the SA, the shopfloor militants of the Nazi party or Gauleiter commissioners to dictate the course of events. Under the slogan of the 'strong state', the ministerial bureaucracy fashioned a new national structure of economic regulation." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112
“We worked and governed with incredible elan. We really ruled. For the bureaucrats of the Ministry the contrast to the Weimar Republic was stark. Party chatter in the Reichstag was no longer heard. The language of the bureaucracy was rid of the paralysing formula: technically right but politically impossible.” - Schacht, speaking of the situation after 1933. Tooze's Wages of Destruction P112-113
"It would be absurd to deny the reality of this shift. The crisis of corporate capitalism in the course of the Great Depression did permanently alter the balance of power. Never again was big business to influence the course of government in German as directly as it did between the outbreak of World War I in 1914 and the onset of the Depression in 1929. The Reich's economic administration, for its part, accumulated unprecedented powers of national economic control." - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P113
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"A capitalist State that attempts to block all dissidence, including private, against its discourse or propaganda, would be totalitarian."
If a private-individual/business was being "blocked", then they would be being controlled by the state, and no-longer be in control. Thus, it would no longer be capitalism.
You said - "Total control of the economy is not the definition of totalitarianism"
Of course it is. To quote from wiki that you, yourself, linked to -
"a totalitarian regime attempts to control virtually all aspects of the social life, including the economy, education, art, science, private life and morals of citizens."
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Budyonny wasn't punished for his crimes. And neither were Lenin, Trotsky or Stalin, or any of the other Soviet leadership. As you said "They were directly sanctioned by the top of the leadership", so why wasn't Stalin hung along with the Cossacks? Oh, that's right, because this had nothing to do with Operation Keelhaul.
And again, you punish the individual who commits a crime, not an entire people just because some of them committed a crime. If it was the other way around, if we punished everyone in a group based on the actions of a few, then every human in history is guilty of the crimes of other humans. Do you see now how that Hegelian emotionalism of yours is ridiculous?
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"Also i've already watched your video and its a hot pile of trash. It has already been debunked.
https://youtu.be/YOoIHUyB4vc"
Hahahahahaha... yeah, okay. Thanks for the laugh!
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"You also chose not to mention the partisan movement. If soviet power was detested so much, why did soviet citizens get together and try to their last breath to resist the nazi's from within?"
See the "whataboutism" here? You know, the thing you were calling me out for. Oh, of course you don't.
I've mentioned the partisan movement in previous videos. It's not relevant to this video. However, to explain it again, the Soviet peoples were caught in the vice of two brutally dishonest and hostile totalitarian ideologies. There was no way out for them, and they had to pick a side. Some chose to fight against the aggressors (be their Soviet or German), and it makes sense why they did that.
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"Please TIK, do yourself a favor and read a little on the general level of morale Britain was currently in when Churchill was pushing for victory."
Exactly, the British public didn't want war. You love democracy, right? The democracy was saying "no". But Churchill, the dictator, was saying "yes".
(Not that I'm a fan of democracy, but you get the point.)
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"Inquire about the complete lack of initiative which brought the phony war, which was what Churchill wanted to shake out of."
By violating the neutrality of neutral countries? Surely their war was with Germany, not Norway.
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"300 Thousand British Soldiers were successfully evacuated, when less than half were expected to come out of it alive."
It wasn't a victory though. That's the point. It was a disaster, yet Churchill somehow turned that into a "victory", much like Manstein did with every battle he lost.
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"Why wouldn't Britain send troops to defend Greece?"
Because they were overstretched and had no chance of defending Greece to begin with, which is why they got beaten. But by overstretching their forces further, it allowed Rommel to enter North Africa and prolonged that conflict by almost two years.
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"Didn't they have treaties and obligations to protect them, especially after Yugoslavia was gobbled up?"
Britain's involvement in Greece convinced Hitler to help Mussolini out. Had Britain not got involved, there's a chance Greece would have kept fighting for longer, tying down Italian forces.
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"why would Turkey and their mountains of chromium be confident enough to stay neutral?"
Because they weren't prepared for war at all. Britain had an entire army on their border, and despite Hitler taking Greece and advancing into the Caucasus, they still remained neutral. Turkey had failed in the First World War, and they would no doubt fail again.
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"Why would America muster its industries to send material to aid in a campaign where their side was not fighting?"
But Britain got beat in Greece, Norway, Singapore, Somaliland and numerous other battles and campaigns. Had they not lost as many battles, maybe the materials America had sent wouldn't have all been wasted.
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"Do you remember, by chance, that Britain was under the Blitz at the time of the African campaigns?"
Oh, so they had to throw away their troops and then lose? No, it's a silly strategy.
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"The British Public NEEDED a victory..."
Yes, and Churchill caused numerous losses as a result of his ridiculous 'let's send everyone everywhere and attack attack attack' mentality.
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"YOU were the one to teach me that War goes beyond the battlefield map, and that politics can and are reasons why seemingly bad decisions are being made."
Correct, and Churchill made a load of bad decisions by making the politics override military reality. I'm not saying Churchill didn't have his reasons, but by giving into the pressure, he put pressure on his commanders and made them fail.
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That's why I wanted to get into the details in these videos because it's rare and I want to know exactly what happened too.
This video took around 30 hrs to make from scratch, all the research, script writing, narration, graphics etc. Some of the other LRDG videos look less than that. But the thing with this series is that I'm only using a handful of sources (because there's not a lot of books on the LRDG), the sources themselves are quite detailed, the graphics I'm using are 2D, and there's only a handful of units on the field.
When it comes to the other videos - like Rommel's first desert offensive or Fort Eben Emael - where there's tons of units on the field, the sources are vague, the sources directly contradict each other, there's a lot more sources to wade through, the graphics are in 3D (which in itself takes weeks to render let alone actually create in the first place), and the videos are longer, it can take me months. The script for my Operation Battleaxe video has taken up four full 10-hour days now to research and write, and it's still not finished.
This is why I'm now trying to come up with a method of making the 3D videos look more like these 2D ones, and hopefully shave off months of work. Fingers crossed Battleaxe will take me weeks, rather than months
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"As to why I think you don't know what atheism is, that's because of where you claim that many atheists are actually members of this unnamed religion but still falsely think they are atheists. That's not how belief works..."
Yes it is. Some (not all) think they are atheist, but have accidentally been tricked into believing Gods. Gods like "society", or "the nation", or "the State", or "the NHS", or "the Experts", or "The Science" (not science, but The Science). The religious fervor that some atheists have (not all) to these Gods is absolute. And it's because they (not all) have fallen under the spell of Gnosticism.
So while atheism is a non-religious idea, many atheists are not actually atheists, but only think they are. In reality, they are religious.
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"Proof positive, you correctly found that Socialism was a lie and rejected it and accepted the gnosis of the Free Market, the gnosis of Individualism, and the gnosis of Capitalism. That is still gnosis, in a secular way of viewing it, it is the a priori truth of Economics."
Not really because I wasn't fully indoctrinated. I was economically socialist, but wasn't full-woke. And the shattering of the illusion is what brought me out of the wizard's circle (to borrow Lindsay's imagery). Realising that racism has to be socialist, since races are social groups, broke the spell and ended the gnosis.
And I'm for free markets because they work, not because I believe in "Capitalism". I'm a free market guy, not a capitalist, since apparently capitalism means "when corporations do monopoly stuff" and a load of other nonsense that I don't believe in. If the free market can be definitively proven not to work, then I'll update my views again.
So no, Gnosticism does demand self-censorship. That's why it's so difficult to get through to someone who believes in socialism, because they refuse to consider any other view.
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"Marx meant the markets run out of things to profit from and capitalism ends up consuming itself. It was not a prophecy it happened a few times when he was alive. It happened dozens of times since and it just happened now in the most epic crash yet."
That's absolutely not what happened at all. Here's an explanation of what actually happened https://youtu.be/X3L0_pjRdcs
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"Every time I hear Marx is a satanist or a nazi or a gnostic or a communist. I never see any evidence."
Read Marx's poem "The Player". Unfortunately, the versions at Marxist dot org are incorrect as they've changed the words to censor what he actually wrote, just like they reduced the amount of racism in Karl Marx's writings. However, you can read the original poem and more about Marx's satanism in "The Devil and Karl Marx" by Kengor.
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"btw anyone that makes out communism and socialism are one political belief system just reveals their complete ignorance."
Anyone who denies that they are the same reveals their complete ignorance of history https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
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"Their different spectrums of belief system."
I'm glad you admit that they're religions.
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"Communism is a spectrum within socialism that extends more to the radical left."
But you just said they're not the same thing, yet here you are saying Communism is part of Socialism. Contradictions much?
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"You know when a anyone goes on about the benefits of capitalism and how it enriched people. The majority of the planet just starts rolling on the floor Laughing at western ignorance. Then remembers how their ancestors were treated and enslaved."
Capitalism didn't enrich people, free markets did. We never technically had a free market, but we got close in the late 1800s, which is why the amount of food consumed by the British workers doubled between 1870 and 1914. Living standards exponentially increased as a result of a shift towards free markets, and unsurprisingly are declining now we're implementing more statism.
When the Soviet Union fell, Germans fled from the East to the West. That's not a coincidence. The religion of Statism is what enslaves people, and Communism/Socialism is slavery.
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"no Atheists are atheists. Atheist means more or less No Deus.(no god.)."
Some atheists are atheist. But those who believe in the Goddess known as "Society" are clearly not atheist, since they believe in a spiritual entity that doesn't physically exist. You cannot place your hand on Society. You cannot touch Society, because "society" has been ACTUALISED into existence in your mind. You have done what Giovanni Gentile called Actualism (Actual-Idealism), of rejecting reality and conjuring fantasies into existence. And just so you know, Giovanni Gentile was the philosophical founder of Fascism, and was also a Hegelian, because Hegel believed in this nonsense as well.
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"LOOOOL Gnosticism is also not one religion its a bunch of them really."
Yes, I said that in the video. It's almost like you didn't listen.
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"It may originated on the left but corporations love technocracy head over heals and will kill at anytime to keep it. I don't really see any mainstream left wanting it."
Corporations are syndicates (centralised worker trade unions). Corporations are Left Wing. So you don't see the "mainstream left wanting it" because you haven't realised yet that Corporations are Socialist entities. You believe that central hierarchical control of the means of production is capitalism, and that's fine. But it's clearly not the private free market when the Public Sector controls the means of production.
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"lez laffair capitalist mixed with government dictatorship and shadow governance. Thier Ricast."
Yep, which is why we need to end capitalism and socialism, and choose free markets.
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"They hate socialists, maxists, and communists. but are constantly in bed with corporations and think tanks. and no the dumbicrats that make out their socialist are not. THey just want the illusion they need your vote."
No, they are socialists, marxists, and communists. They fund those organisations. Capitalism and Socialism are two sides of the same coin. That's why the solution to the problem isn't more capitalism or socialism. What we need are free markets and the end of taxation.
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It's called "The Book of Revelation". Meaning, it's divine revelation, which is gnosis (divine revelation = gnosis).
In the Apocryphon of John (which you're happy to dismiss, but I'm not), John admits that Jesus appeared and spoke to him, giving him gnosis. He was then able to predict the future, which is a major part of Revelation. I mean, if it's not gnosticism, it certainly seems like it is. And other authors (from Voegelin to Martin Luther) suggest that this is the case.
Ultimately, if you choose not to see it as Revelation, that's fine. But I mean, I'm leaning towards the idea that it is, especially since this particular book has aided many Christian cults and heresies.
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Thanks for the feedback Rex! Really appreciated :) it's free, but you can pay me if you like :P
It is a lot of hard work. 5 months of very very hard work. This is by far the most difficult project I've ever done. But I'm really happy with the end result and have learnt several valuable lessons I can apply in the future on this, as well as other projects :)
I'm looking forward to the next WDC video too - and I haven't even read anything in detail on the next bit yet! When I started researching Operation Compass, I wasn't all that interested in the desert campaign. I actually decided to start it because I knew so little about it and didn't find it interesting. But my opinion of it has completely changed! I'm dying to do more on it, and I've more books on it now than I had on Market Garden.
The French Motor Battalion was Free French under British command. It blew up the fuel so it didn't fall into German hands. I believe they didn't expect 3rd Armoured Brigade to be there, since Remington was ordered north. Apologies for not making that clear in the video.
I only needed to be in the videos when I was making 2D animations. Now I'm doing 3D, the animation can stand on its own. But you're right that it's better if I don't appear in the videos and just concentrate on the narration.
You did watch my Operation Compass video, right? That was just one video, unlike my Market Garden ones. Due to it taking so long to do, I was tempted to split the next ones up into segments so I could publish say 5 minute videos across several weeks, then put it all together again into one big one, similar to how I did it with the Market Garden videos. But I'm in two minds about it...
The choice is either -
1. one complete video every so many months
2. small videos every week or every other week
What do you think?
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+John Burns whilst supply did get to North Africa, it was a major issue for both the British and Rommel's forces. In late April 1941, General Paulus was sent to Africa to check up on Axis performance - as it was seen as an embarrassment after Rommel's first offensive. It was noted that the combined total of supply needed for both axis partners in the desert at that time was 30,000 tons per month just to break even. Halder estimated they actually needed 50,000 tons to stockpile for future offensives.
Coastal ports in in Axis control in Cyrenaica could only accept 29,000 tons per month at peak capacity (they were under attack from the RAF, including the biggest port, Benghazi) so the bulk of the supplies had to come from Tripoli - which was a thousand mile trip to Tobruk! Coupled with a desperate shortage of transport vehicles, it placed the Axis in Africa in a terrible position and was the chief reason that Halder and others at OKH saw Rommel's first attack as an embarrassment.
The British had similar logistical problems, with O'Connor identifying early on that the major logistics issues would be the critical factor for success or failure in the desert war.
I've only studied the early part of the desert war so far, but once the Germans arrived, both sides seemed pretty evenly matched. Both sides only seemed to get beat (for the most part) when they overstretched their supply lines.
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Well, my current plan is to follow the battles starting from the beginning of the Western Desert Campaign, to El Alamein, Tunis, Sicily, then up the boot of Italy until the end of the war. So Anzio and Cassino are in there, but at this rate it may be a while before I get to them ;)
However, I do want alternate between the Western Desert Campaign and other battles in the war, so there's a potential for deviation. The next Battlestorm video will be on Fort Eben Emael (only a few weeks away now), and then Operation Brevity is next, then a big battle I won't name yet... Basically what I'm saying is that Anzio and or Cassino are on the list and could come sooner but I'm not sure yet.
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"To us Finns generally, it doesn't make any sense, how a pro democratic/western nation declares war against a nation with similar values and state organisation."
It's not about the type of country - it's about waging a war of aggression.
"We were co-belligerent/pro axis, but who was it really that forced our hand?😉"
I understand why Finland did what it did in WW2, and I don't necessarily blame it for doing what it did. Arguably (and it is arguable) the Germans pressured Finland into declaring war on the Soviet Union (although Finnish leaders said themselves they were doing it to retake their lost territories). And they were caught between a rock and a hard place. However, Sweden stayed out of the conflict, and Britain didn't declare war on Sweden. Finland didn't stay out of the conflict and aligned herself with the Axis, so Britain declared war.
Think about it another way - you're asking me to understand Finland's position. Okay, well I'm going to ask you to understand Britain's position. Britain and the USA had to keep Stalin on side. If they didn't, then Western forces would have had a much tougher time of it marching to Berlin. So, when Finland strikes the USSR (Britain's 'Ally'), and Britain failed to get Finland to back down, it makes sense why Britain would declare war on Finland. It was to please their Soviet 'allies' and keep them in the war.
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"Gavin did not take it, fair enough but again the problem was it was a British operation, if they did not take their time with the airdrops that small pockets of Germans would meet a much larger force of British paratroopers."
On Day 1, Gavin sat on the Groesbeek Heights for several hours after the drop. Only as the light was fading did he order that one battalion go towards the Nijmegen Bridge (why not earlier?). At this point, the Nijmegen Bridge was held by half a dozen men. If he had sent a battalion there earlier, they would have taken it. But just before 1 company of the battalion (the others had gotten lost since it was now dark) reached the bridge, SS units from the north arrived and secured the bridge.
When the British tanks reached the Nijmegen bridge on the morning of day 3, they found that the bridge was in German hands. They then fought for the next 36 hours to secure the bridge, which could have and should have been taken on day 1 by Gavin.
Whether it was a British operation or not is irrelevent. Gavin did not take the Nijmegen Bridge, and the operation was lost at Njimegen. If he had been a British commander and hadn't taken the bridge, the operation still would have been lost at Nijmegen. Being a British operation or not doesn't change this fact.
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@marcus - a very good question. Monty doesn't say in his memoirs, and I don't know for sure, but I do suspect it was a number of factors.
By around day 5 or 6 of the operation, XXX Corps' attack had stalled. You have to remember that - despite the impression that the Allies tried to go "a bridge too far" and were only checked at the final hurdle - in reality the Germans actually won this battle.
The initial momentum XXX Corps enjoyed in the first couple days was gone. The delays of getting to 1st Airborne meant that the Germans had formed an effective blocking line south of Arnhem bridge, and there wasn't a way for them to cross the Rhine. Even with 1st Airborne hanging on on the north bank, they had no immediate way of getting across without getting shot at by the Germans. They were now also getting punished from the flanks, with the corridor cut on a few occasions, preventing reinforcements travelling north. Unlike before the battle, the Germans now knew what the British were trying to do and had dug into positions and were launching counterattacks to prevent them from doing it. XXX Corps now spends some time consolidating the ground its won.
At the same time, logistical shortages from not taking Antwerp made reinforcing XXX Corps' attack difficult. According to Montgomery, he hoped the Canadians could take Antwerp while XXX Corps crossed the Rhine. Personally, I'm not convinced by his claims, but once enemy resistance stiffened, the British couldn't sustain the attack.
Again, I'm not 100% sure, but it does appear that these were big reasons for why the advance on the Rhine stopped.
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I have a video coming out this Monday which explains the command structure and some of the other issues, but actually Gavin was a subordinate of both Ridgway (US) and Browning (British), who were in turn subordinates of Brereton (US), who was subordinate to Montgomery. Why blame Montgomery rather than Browning? Or Brereton? These are Montgomery's staff, who as you say should have planned it better. Brereton was to blame for the drop zones being too far from the objective since he made that decision, and the fact that there were one drop per day (even though it was possible to do two). Radios don't always work - who takes the blame for that? The flank attack by German forces you mention was made on day 2 (yes, not day 1 when the bridge needed to be taken) by the "406th Division", which was barely the strength of a brigade and consisted of eyes and ears battalions. The next real attack came on day 4, after XXX Corps had arrive to back them up. The main danger was 10th SS Panzer Division, which arrived at Nijmegen in the evening on day 1. THAT is the main force that threatened 82nd Airborne, and Gavin could only spare one battalion after several hours of just sitting around at the Groesbeek Heights. He even insisted in taking artillery on day 1 rather than extra paratroop infantry battalions, which could have been used to take more objectives. No matter which way you look at it, this Operation was lost at Nijmegen, and the real blame goes to Gavin and/or Browning, with Brereton, Ridgway, Urquhart, Montgomery, and several others taking some responsibility too
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Ok first off, I'm not a Montgomery fanboy, or even a fan. At this moment, I can only judge him by his performance during Market Garden, since I haven't studied his other battles in detail. That's part of the reason why I'm working my way through the Western Desert Campaign, so I can judge him against those that came before and after him.
However, I don't agree with the common concensus that Market Garden was doomed before it started. Yes, the plan could have been better. Yes, lots of mistakes were made (by the Brits especially). And yes, Monty, Browning, and the RAF should take a lot of the blame for those mistakes. But was the plan doomed before it started?
As I showed in the video, and as several historians have pointed out, there has been a blurring of the truth regarding the battle at Nijmegen. A simple mistake (not sending anyone to take the bridge straight away) caused a crucial 36 hour delay that resulted in the loss of the wider mission. That's not to say that the soldiers of the 82nd Airborne didn't do a very good job - their performance was excellent as shown by their willingness to cross a river in boats like marines - or that General Gavin was a bad commander, or even a bad man. No, all it says is that he made a mistake, which happened to be a big one.
All I've done here is show that this plan could have worked as it was. Yes, the plan could have been better. Yes, Monty may still be a terrible commander or not. But to me, Monty's performance here is kinda irrelevant, since Nijmegen Bridge wasn't taken. Therefore his plan wasn't followed correctly... so we can't really blame him for that. We can blame him for a lot of other things, but not for that.
I understand that because I'm from England, that I should have a bias towards British things. But beyond having an interest in battles involving British units or that affected Britain as a whole, I really don't have a bias towards individuals. Because I know that there are both good people and bad people living in the same country, or even down the same street. To favour anyone just because they're British is stupid. That's why I've called out poor performing British commanders before, and will continue to do so. Based on what everyone is telling me, I probably will eventually come to the conclusion that Monty is an idiot - and that's fine with me. If I have no trouble calling out Churchill, I'm pretty sure I can call out Monty.
Basically, I'm trying to look at this as objectively as I possibly can. And whilst the plan could have been better, I don't think the plan is to blame here. A simple but big mistake by one commander caused a 36 hour delay at Nijmegen. That fact cannot be ignored.
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ODDBALL SOK General Gavin himself said that the US paras kissed the tanks, as do a few others. Now, I don't know, I wasn't there. And as I said, I'm not 100% convinced that they literally kissed the tank. It's probably an exaggeration to express how happy they were that the tanks had got to them. Maybe one of them did it as a bit of a joke, or to exaggerate the feeling he felt for being relieved. Maybe they said "thank god you're hear, I could kiss your tank" or something along those lines and it got embelished. I don't know. But when several people who were there say it happened, there must be an element of truth to it - even if that truth is skewed.
Honestly, I'm not convinced that a handful of tanks and infantry could have pushed to Arnhem that evening. Elst was occupied. The island wasn't easy terrain. And it wouldn't have taken much to delay them. Besides, if they had raced off and a German unit had recaptured the northern end of Nijmegen bridge, what then? Their purpose was to secure the bridgehead. That is what they did.
Your point about the Son bridge - I get it. I too think that XXX Corps should have had a Plan B in case the bridges were blown or not captured. However, something to bear in mind is that Son bridge was over a canal. Nijmegen bridge was over a major river. That's a significant difference. Building a bailey bridge across the Waal river may not have been as easy or even possible (I'm not sure, I'm not an engineer). I can imagine it would have taken longer to get that set up, especially when the Germans still occupied the area and could have laid fire upon the engineers.
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"When did you last pay for the ENTIRE road you drove on, TIK?"
https://i0.wp.com/beinglibertarian.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/government-vs-companies-who-will-build-roads.jpg?resize=600%2C706&ssl=1
"When was the last time you offered to PERSONALLY pay you countries (the whole U.Ks) international debt?"
For starters, it's not MY country. It's 'public', not 'private'. I don't own it, and I don't care for it. If this State can't pay its debts, it should be abolished before it steals more money from me or others https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
Secondly, I'm against debt in all forms. I personally don't owe a single penny of debt because I'm good with money. That's why I'm against the idea of government in the first place because all government spending is consumption of resources that have alternative uses. This is why the private individual is far superior to the public collective debt State.
"What was the name of the School you built for your own Children's use?"
It took me years to undo the damage done in our 'public' 'education' 'system', and I'm not quite sure I've fully purged myself of all the poison they injected me with. That's why I would encourage you not to send your children to the miseducation prisons. I would encourage you to home school them, or seek private tuition. Alternatively, don't educate them at all, and let them figure things out on their own. At the very least, they won't be discouraged to learn as I was in school.
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"Please note I had NO problems with your shocking reveal of Marx's racism. I applaud it. Truth is what I care about."
Right. We're in agreement then.
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"not ideological BS whether religious or secular."
Exactly, neither am I. That's why I'm calling out the ideologues for distorting history and pointing out where they've gone wrong. The Marxists at the time claimed Hitler was a Socialist, and a lot of people still buy into this distorted view of reality. I point this out, provide you with a TON of evidence as to why this is the case, and you're claiming I'm a "flat earther". Well, I'm sorry that the evidence supports what I'm saying and doesn't support what you're saying, but I'm going to need more than "you're wrong" to convince me that the argument I've presented is wrong.
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"Since the arrival of Clintonism (Fake 'Left' ala Bloomberg, Disney, MSM 'woke' BS and his $ 40 BILLION investment in China (or Blairism) we now have a world run by the now unbounded by anti trust laws, tycoons with international law and the power of the voter now irrelevant. (No more Trumps or Brexits to be allowed. The voters can vote for the winners of the Euro vision song contest. not economic questions as the Deutsche banks head stated recently. Like the now ignored UN or the ignored Stalinist trial of Assange. the innocent NOT rapist. Oligarchy SUCKS."
Again, we're in agreement. I'm against ALL of these things you outlined here, except the idea that the UN is being "ignored" because it quite clearly is in charge https://youtu.be/RhFBzsEErvQ
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"You seem to have no idea of balance and seem to forget economics is about SUPPLY AND DEMAND and that it should exist for the benefit of society alone not just the few rich or itself."
But that's exactly what I'm advocating. I'm saying that the individuals in the economy (the poor, the downtrodden, the small business and corner shop owners) are getting screwed by the rich and the "society" (State) that steals their wealth through the power of taxation and inflation. You on the other hand are advocating that the State (which is the cause of the problem) should be the solution to the problem that it itself causes. And I understand why - that was how I used to see it too. But in reality, the State is the cause of the problem, not the solution. And this is why I'm recommending that people read "Economics in One Lesson" by Henry Hazlitt, and "What has the Government Done to Our Money?" by Murray Rothbard, because these books spell out why the problem (the State) isn't the solution to the problem (the State).
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"A hammer exists as a tool we built to serve us, not we serving the hammer. Poor citizens cannot buy things and with no demand supply becomes superfluous."
Right, except the issue isn't that there's not enough currency. The issue is that the State is extracting the wealth and resources of society through the power of taxation and inflation, and then essentially wasting that wealth and resources on projects that nobody wants or needs. This is, as Thomas Sowell points out in "Basic Economics" and as Henry Hazlitt explains in "Economics in One Lesson", one of the fallacies of basic economics - that the public sector is somehow more efficient than the private sector.
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"I know you are intelligent and capable of great analysis when you take leave of your ideological prism. I would love a chat. I am not your enemy TIK. We can both learn things from each other. I have NOT attacked your person, just your ideology and its lack of nuance, something not lacking in your areas of excellence."
Is looking at both sides of the argument, and then choosing the correct answer classed as an "ideology"? If so, then I'm guilty as charged. But I don't see how you can call an ex-Socialist who realized the true nature of Socialism (thanks to reading Mein Kampf, a primary source, as well as others), and then decided to really dive into the literature, and realized that the Chicago and Austrian Schools of Economics were way more correct than the Marxist or Keynesian or MMT schools, and that I had been completely tricked and lied to by my professors and teachers etc... I don't see how you can call me an "ideologue". Just like in EVERY video I've ever made - I look at all sides and go with the best argument. Therefore, I'm going with the Austrian argument. The truth is NOT an ideology.
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"I don't follow any party, any movement nor do I get anything out of this other than my thirst for truth and concern for the future of the society the young must live in. Like my child and his friends."
Exactly, and I'm in full agreement here. I don't follow and party or movement. The Austrian School is not a movement. Saying that 2+2=4 isn't an "ideology", and the people standing by the idea that 2+2=4 aren't "ideologues". Only the people who's ideology says they must worship the State (sometimes referred to as "the Cathedral") and who look to this hierarchy of stupidity as somehow the saviour for all our worries, despite the historical and empirical evidence and logic-based arguments that confirm that state control of the economy completely ruins the economy, are ideologues.
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"Remember East Germany was NOT the 'German Democratic Republic, (it was a soviet satellite satrapy)"
Except it was Democratic. Demos kratus ("people rule"). And as I've shown in my Public vs Private video - the 'people' are the 'public', and the 'public' is the 'State'. So "Democracy" is "State Rule". That's why when politicians say "we're doing this for the people", what they really mean is that they're doing it for the State. It's a Leftist word-game. It's an religious-ideology that worships the State. That's why North Korea can call itself a democracy, because it is one. Hitler also called for a "People's State" (a democracy). As did the Fascists like Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile. Again, watch my Public vs Private video to understand what the words mean https://youtu.be/ksAqr4lLA_Y
And watch my recent video explaining what Fascism is - I not only define it, but I provide you with the sources to back up what I'm saying here https://youtu.be/qdY_IMZH2Ko
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"And no Hitler was NOT a socialist in an significant sense but THE Anti Communist leader of Europe (which is why he got so much non German support btw) even if of course there were some elements of socialism as in ANY modern military state by REQUIRMENT."
He nationalized the industries under a policy called Gleichschaltung (may have misspelled that, but it means "synchronization", as in - bringing everything into the hands of the state). He nationalized the trade unions into the State trade union (the DAF) and crushed those that refused to nationalize. He promoted feminist state women's organizations, state youth organizations, state work schemes, price controls, wage controls, massive amounts of state regulations and welfare schemes, his taxation policy was very "progressive" to say the least, and he had a Central State Bank that was practicing proto-Keynesian currency-printing policies. And I've outlined all this and more in my Hitler's Socialism video (107 sources, 350 direct references, notes, quotes, you name it) https://youtu.be/eCkyWBPaTC8
And yes, he was anti-Communist. I explained this in the video above. But to quote Zitelmann -
“Contrary to the accepted Marxist interpretation, Hitler was not an opponent of Marxism and did not want to destroy it because he was ‘inimical to labour’ but because he was caught up in the insane idea that Marxism was an instrument of the Jews for the achievement of world domination, and above all because he rejected internationalism, ‘pacifism’ and the negation of the ‘personality principle’ by Marxism.” - Zitelmann, “Hitler: The Policies of Seduction,” P137-138.
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"Bismarck was NOT a socialist either but he created the worlds first modern welfare. Just as I learn from you, you could learn from me on this and some other things TIK that I have deep knowledge of just as you do in those areas you have studied."
Actually, I studied the Bismarck period in college, and while I wouldn't say Bismarck was a socialist, I would say that he allied with the Socialists in order to do what he wanted to do at one particular time (and then abandoned them when it became inconvenient).
But as you said, I have studied the Hitler's Socialism thing for years now. It took me 18 months to make the 5 hour Hitler's Socialism video. I've done more research since then, and have more recently done videos on Karl Marx and Mussolini's Fascism for a reason - because I've studied it. What I'm saying to you is that THE EVIDENCE supports what I'm saying, and I have laid it all out for you. There's a reason the Hitler's Socialism video is 5 hours - yes, I have to explain things carefully so that everyone can follow along, but the whole thing is the length that it is because I provide you with a TON of evidence that supports the idea that Hitler was a Socialist. You can ignore it and call me an ideologue all day long, but that won't change my mind. I go where the evidence takes me, and right now the arguments I've presented in that (and the Public vs Private video, or the Fascism Defined video) remain unrefuted. And I suspect they will remain unrefuted because even the people who really wish Hitler wasn't a Socialist get through those videos and begrudgingly admit that I've done my homework and have got a solid case.
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Thanks, and sorry for late reply! I'm obviously very grateful for the support I get off Patreon, and for every viewer on YouTube. And, since I love researching and making these videos, if I can make it sustainable I'd happily go more-than full-time on YouTube (as in, 80 hour work weeks, minimum, since I'm putting that in now on my weeks off work). But no, financially it's not sustainable as it stands. Books aren't cheap and the Patreon support is going on them, while the little I earn off YouTube directly barely pays for my internet bill and maybe a couple books a month. I really need Patreon support if this was ever to become a viable thing. But the current issue (apart from money) is time. The only reason these videos are short, and have been 'rushed' is because of a lack of time to do the research, scriptwriting, graphics, and editing. Getting enough support on Patreon to go full-time would solve all the issues I'm currently facing, and the positive impact on the channel would be enormous.
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“Control over domestic resources was paralleled by centralized control over imports. Both countries [Nazi and Soviet] controlled and restricted international trade.” Temin, P580
"Both governments reorganized industry into larger units, ostensibly to increase state control over economic activity. The Nazis reorganized industry into 13 administrative groups with a large number of subgroups to create a private hierarchy for state control. The state therefore could direct the firms’ activities without acquiring direct ownership of enterprises. The pre-existing tendency to form cartels was encouraged to eliminate competition that would destabilize prices.” Temin, P582-583
“The Soviets had made a similar move in the 1920s. Faced with a scarcity of administrative personnel, the state encouraged enterprises to combine into trusts and trusts to combine into syndicates. These large units continued into the 1930s where they were utilized to bridge the gap between overall plans and actual production.” Temin, P583
"“... this difference was not important to many decisions. The incentives for managers - both positive and negative - were very similar in the two countries. Consequently, their responses to the [Four or Five Year] plans were also similar. In neither case did the managers set the goals of the plans.” Temin, P590-591
“Like Hitler, Backe saw the mission of National Socialism as being the supersession of the rotten rule of the bourgeoisie. Far from being impractical, Backe’s ideology provided a grand historical rationale for the extreme protectionism already implemented by the nationalist agrarians. Far from being backward looking, Backe’s vision assigned to National Socialism the mission of achieving a reconciliations of the unresolved contradictions of nineteenth-century liberalism. It was not National Socialism but the Victorian ideology of the free market that was the outdated relic of a bygone era. After the economic disasters of the early 1930s there was no good reason to cling to such a dangerous archaic doctrine. The future belonged to a new system of economic organization capable of ensuring both the security of the national food supply and the maintenance of a healthy farming community as the source of racial vitality.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P174
[Tooze's Wages of Destruction P179-180] Because Germany didn’t have enough land to feed her population, both Backe and Hitler (and others) wanted to expand eastwards. The local populations were to be impacted by German ‘rearrangement’. “Those left in place were to serve as slave labour on German settler farms. The SS was to be the sword and shield of this settler movement.”
On the 26th of September 1933, Darré and Backe created the “Erbhof” law. [Tooze's Wages of Destruction P182]
“For the purpose of protecting the peasantry as the ‘Blood Source of the German People’, the law proposed to create a new category of farm, the Erbhof (hereditary farm), protected by debt, insulated from market forces and passed down from generation to generation within racially pure peasant families. The law applied to all farms that were sufficient in size to provide a German family with an adequate standard of living (an Achernahrung, later defined as a minimum of c. 7.5 hectares), but did not exceed 125 hectares.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P182
“The term ‘peasant’ (Bauer) was henceforth defined as an honorary title, reserved for those registered on the Role. Those not entered in the Erbhofrolle were henceforth to be referred to merely as ‘farmers’ (Landwirte). Entry in the Rolle protected the Erbhof for ever against the nightmare of repossession. By the same token, it also imposed constraints. Erbhoefe could not be sold. Nor could they be used as security against mortgages. Farms registered as Erbhoefe were thus removed from the free disposal of their immediate owners. Regardless of existing arrangements between spouses, Erbhoefe were to have a single, preferably male, owner who was required to document his line of descent, at least as far back as 1800, the same requirements as for civil servants. ‘Peasants’ were to be of German or ‘similar stock’ (Stammesgleich), a provision that excluded Jews, or anyone of partial Jewish descent.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P182-183
“The line of inheritance was now fixed in law.” P183 [clearly not free-market capitalism]
“Coupled with this extraordinary intervention in the property rights of German peasants was an equally drastic programme of debt reduction. Backe and Darré proposed that the Erbhof farmers should assume collective responsibility for each other’s debts. The debts of all Erbhoefe, variously estimated at between 6 and 9 billion Reichsmarks, were to be transferred to the Rentenbank Kreditanstalt, a state-sponsored mortgage bank. The Rentenbank would repay the original creditors with interest ranging between 2 and 4 per cent depending on the security of the original loan. ” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P183 [no more personal debt for these farmers, but collective debt]
Hitler approved of this plan, despite opposition from Junkers, some peasants and Schacht (as well as others). He then decided that it would go through, after negotiations. P184. Unfortunately for Darré and Schacht, they had to shelve the debt-relief idea and come up with a compromise ‘grant’ scheme instead for peasants who were in debt. P185 They also had to relax the inheritance elements of the law to appease the peasants. P185-186 Rate of enrollment for those farms that fitted the bill was high. It wasn’t enough to ‘transform the structure of land ownership in Germany.” P186 But it did have an impact. “It consolidated a group of farms whose average size nationally was just less than 20 hectares, a figure that was soon to be defined as the ideal size for efficient family farming in the new order of German agriculture.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P186
“The second fundamental step taken by Darré and Backe in the autumn of 1933 was the organization of the Reichsnaehrstand (RNS). It is not too much to say that the setting up of this organization and its associated system of price and production controls marked the end of the free market for agricultural produce in Germany. Agriculture and food production, which until the mid-nineteenth century had been overwhelmingly [-P187] the most important part of the German economy and which still in the 1930s constituted a very significant element of national product, were removed from the influence of market forces. As Backe clearly articulated even before 1933, the mechanism of price-setting was the key. The RNS made use of prices to regulate production.” - Tooze's Wages of Destruction P186-187
Other counter arguments include Ernst Rohm’s Putsch, where people will say that the Nazis killed socialists. However, this is actually an example of state control, since it is the state cracking down on private businesses and organizations.The ‘socialists’ that Hitler killed were Ernst Röhm and his associates. These were a small number of (1,000) of socialists out of the large SA (3,000,000 strong) who were supposedly planning a coup on Hitler. This was in-fighting within the Party, rather than ideological opponents.
Another counterargument is that Hitler got rid of trade unions. And, at first, getting rid of trade unions looks like an example of getting rid of socialism. But is this really the case? What is a trade union? A trade union is an organization (usually Marxist in nature) of workers (class) who are opposing the employer (class). Since trade unions are based on class and not race, they’re an example of Marxism within capitalism.
Hitler replaces the Marxist (class) trade unions with the racial-state’s “German Labour Front” (DAF). The state is now in control of the workers - a sign of socialism. Since trade unions (private organizations) are no longer around, this is a sign of anti-capitalism, as well as anti-Marxism. It also misses the point that Lenin was against trade unions as well, despite being a Marxist-socialist.
So, with the above quotes, we can see that private property was abolished and that the capitalist businessmen were in trouble. They were not, as some claim, "supporting Hitler" and ruling the roost. They were under the socialist thumb. Similarly we have a heavy-state involvement in land reform in order to ‘socialize’ it. We also have price controls and high taxes restricting any effective ‘capitalism’ that may have been going on in the economy. All this is in addition to the fact that Hitler had restricted Germany’s trade with the world (“international-Jewish-finance” as he called it), severely limiting capitalism. We have the destruction of trade unions (both capitalist and Marxist in nature) and their replacement with the state. Therefore, what we have here is a planned socialist economy, not capitalism.
Sources -
Temin, P. “Soviet and Nazi Economic Planning in the 1930s.” From The Economic History Review, New Series, Vol. 44, No. 4 (Nov., 1991), pp. 573-593 (21 pages). Jstor. https://www.jstor.org/stable/2597802?seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents
Tooze, A. “Wages of Destruction: The Making & Breaking of The Nazi Economy.” Penguin Books, 2007.
Reimann, G. “The Vampire Economy: Doing Business under Fascism.” Kindle, Mises Institute, 2007. Originally written in 1939.
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