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onvention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide
Article II
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
1. Killing members of the group;
Check out interracial crime and see this displayed ( crimes against W by NON W is much higher than the reverse, even with there being " more whites" currently
2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
The levels of propaganda and anti white rhetoric are pretty apparent. Imagine being told your whole life that you are a terrible person because your ancestors did things, and you must repent for your original sin of being a European
3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
Pushing W to not have children, telling them they are racist and shoudlnt have kids, that they should give positions of power to people unlike them and continually import people who hate you
4.Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
Propaganda, " career" focusing, feminism, welfare, and muh programs designed for non W
5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Endless mass immigration, forced integration, and the facilitation of non whites being pumped into white aread to make them less wite
This is all happening and has been happening since the late 90s.... its scary and we all know how this is going to end up. either its a bloody massive conflict or W people are just " removed"
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@0Doves0 Buddy im not ignoring it, im stating it isnt a huge a deal as you say it is. of course it affected the market. you cant beat zero wage payments. im not saying it didnt happen, or it had no effect. im stating it isnt what you make it out to be, or others, implying the country was built on slavery, when it was clearly not so.
"How is it an European nation if America isn't in Europe?"
The people who make the country are European.
nation (n.)
c. 1300, nacioun, "a race of people, large group of people with common ancestry and language," from Old French nacion "birth, rank; descendants, relatives; country, homeland" (12c.) and directly from Latin nationem (nominative natio) "birth, origin; breed, stock, kind, species; race of people, tribe," literally "that which has been born," from natus, past participle of nasci "be born" (Old Latin gnasci), from PIE root *gene- "give birth, beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups.
If you replaced most of italy with somalians, is it still italy? no, its little somalia.
". Sorry but America isn't a homogenous nation like the Nordics or Ethiopia"
when over 95% of the population is European, its safe to say its a European country. you are splitting hairs when you say different groups of Europeans are not homogenous
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@anthonydavis9842 erm no.
c. 1300, nacioun, "a race of people, large group of people with common ancestry and language," from Old French nacion "birth, rank; descendants, relatives; country, homeland" (12c.) and directly from Latin nationem (nominative natio) "birth, origin; breed, stock, kind, species; race of people, tribe," literally "that which has been born," from natus, past participle of nasci "be born" (Old Latin gnasci), from PIE root gene "give birth, beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups.
The word is used in English in a broad sense, "a race of people an aggregation of persons of the same ethnic family and speaking the same language," and also in the narrower sense, "a political society composed of a government and subjects or citizens and constituting a political unit; an organized community inhabiting a defined territory within which its sovereignty is exercised."
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@raybod1775 no, you are in fact wrong
nation (n.)
c. 1300, nacioun, "a race of people, large group of people with common ancestry and language," from Old French nacion "birth, rank; descendants, relatives; country, homeland" (12c.) and directly from Latin nationem (nominative natio) "birth, origin; breed, stock, kind, species; race of people, tribe," literally "that which has been born," from natus, past participle of nasci "be born" (Old Latin gnasci), from PIE root *gene- "give birth, beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups.
The word is used in English in a broad sense, "a race of people an aggregation of persons of the same ethnic family and speaking the same language," and also in the narrower sense, "a political society composed of a government and subjects or citizens and constituting a political unit; an organized community inhabiting a defined territory within which its sovereignty is exercised."
a nation is its people, and therefore, is racial in nature
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@raybod1775
"you don’t seem to know anything about the history of the United States."
Yeah buddy, sure, i could say the same for you
"The vast majority of immigrants came after the country was founded"
uh, no, the " vast majority" of immigrants came AFTER 1965.... but you totally know more about US history than i do so you should know that
"Before the U.S. became a nation, it consisted of British colonies which became states, which formally became the United States with the signing of the Constitution about 221 years ago."
Yeah, and it was nearly all european....funny, it stayed almost entirely european until 1965... but you should know that...
"It was really like the EU and really didn’t start to become a country until the Civil War and especially after World War I and the Great Depression.
seems like a pretty arbitrary point to say it wasnt a country till then..
"Of course the U.S. expanded with former French and Spanish possessions and absorbed all the people within those lands."
and what does this have do do with anything?
"I’m not saying the Native Americans didn’t get a raw deal."
what does this have to do with the discussion? you can pretend that "natives" were one cohesive group, but that would be historically inaccurate. also most of them didnt have concepts of " owning" property,
"Don’t forget pre-European Ancient Egypt, Ancient China, India as well as others that were nation/empires, not homelands before Ancient Rome was founded. Europe outside of the Mediterranean areas were homelands, but all that changed over the last two thousand years."
and what the absolute f does that have to do with current day demographic change?
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@Arctc-zh6rg "Equating immigrants to dogs...yup that's also pretty racist. And fallacious."
No its neither, and you are just a dishonest baiting troll. you cant even articulate why its wrong, you just go " thats an animal and humans are different" they arent, humans are animals, they are mammals.. pretending we arent subject to the same nature that the rest of the world is subject to is insanity
"Humans are all one species and our society is based around nation states."
Ah yes, dogs, are all teh dog breed, there is no different breeds of dogs,. this is the same of cats, birds and fish.... super big brain here
"So if a human is born within a nation's borders they are legally a member of that nation."
No, you are wrong
nation (n.)
c. 1300, nacioun,
*"a race of people, large group of people with common ancestry and language," from Old French nacion "birth, rank; descendants, relatives; country, homeland" (12c.) and directly from Latin nationem (nominative natio) "birth, origin; breed, stock, kind, species; race of people, tribe," literally "that which has been born," from natus, past participle of nasci "be born" (Old Latin gnasci), from PIE root *gene- "give birth, beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups.
The word is used in English in a broad sense, "a race of people an aggregation of persons of the same ethnic family and speaking the same language," and also in the narrower sense, "a political society composed of a government and subjects or citizens and constituting a political unit; an organized community inhabiting a defined territory within which its sovereignty is exercised."*
"And as they are raised through the system of that nation, they become fully part of the nation in every other way too."
except they dont. anyone paying any amount of attention to the real world can see this clear as day...
cmon dude try harder
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@Rob So then nationalism fine then. You know a nation is an ethnic group right? like, thats how nations work.....
c. 1300, nacioun, "a race of people, large group of people with common ancestry and language," from Old French nacion "birth, rank; descendants, relatives; country, homeland" (12c.) and directly from Latin nationem (nominative natio) "birth, origin; breed, stock, kind, species; race of people, tribe," literally "that which has been born," from natus, past participle of nasci "be born" (Old Latin gnasci), from PIE root *gene- "give birth, beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups.
The word is used in English in a broad sense, "a race of people an aggregation of persons of the same ethnic family and speaking the same language," and also in the narrower sense, "a political society composed of a government and subjects or citizens and constituting a political unit; an organized community inhabiting a defined territory within which its sovereignty is exercised."
In Middle English it is not easy to distinguish them, but the "political society" sense emerged by 16c., perhaps late 14c. and it has gradually predominated. The older sense is preserved in the application of nation to the native North American peoples (1640s). Nation-building "creation of a new nation" is attested by 1907 (implied in nation-builder). Nation-state "sovereign country the inhabitants of which are united by language, culture, and common descent" is from 1918.
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@0Doves0
"that definition you pulled is the literal definition of 'nation'. I assume that you are using 'nation' as a synonym for country just as I since we're talking about all of America, but nation and country are in fact two sperate words with sperate meanings."
A meaningless distinction
coun·try
/ˈkəntrē/
noun
1.
a nation with its own government, occupying a particular territory.
"Also, where are you getting this 95% stat?."
Literally any time before 1965, that was the average since its inception
"As of 2019, white people (including Hispanic whites) numbered about 236,475,401, or 72.0% of the population. According to the 2020 Census, Non-Latino white make up 57.8% of the country's population."
isnt that amazing? from 1965 to now, almost half the nations people are of foreign populations. shocking to know that replacement migration is real, and that W people can be ethnically displaced anywhere they are majority, this is including current European nations...
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@0Doves0
"Correction: pre 1960, the white population was around 88%"
and that number never changed between 1776 to 1960? or is it safer to assume ~90 instead of 95%
" Did you not read the stats or do you not see Hispanic whites as white people? Spain is a Hispanic country. Are they not white? "
No? and furthermore, i quite frankly cant stand the white and hispanic stats always combined or conflated. really messes with crime statistics...
"Learn the difference between ethnicity and race."
I mean are we going to pretend it isnt easily seen parallel to biological taxonomy?
"Secondly, white people aren't going to be displaced."
In the statistics you yourself provided, in the last 60 years the W population fell to half of the total population, this is largely due to immigration...
"They will always be the majority even with immigration."
Are you serious? do you ACTUALLY believe that? from 1776 - 1960 was on average 90% W. thats 184 years relatively consistent, then suddenly, in less than 60 years, its almost 50%... where do you think this trend is going to continue? ask yourself honestly this question. Do you think W will still be the majority in another 60 years? yes or no?
"Do you think it's some malicious attempt?"
Yes, for a far longer time than i have been alive.
"I assure you that legal immigrants aren't moving to America with the agenda to get rid of white people."
They dont need to, the facilitation for them being there is already in place. Mass immigration is a recipe for disaster and every historical precedent shows that
"As long as these immigrants assimilate, then what's the problem?"
Firstly, most shouldnt even be here, second, they DONT assimilate, there is nothing to assimilate into anymore. You have an artificial, sterilized " culture" with no real ties to anything. a nation is its people. if you replace its people, you replace the nation. Immigration can ONLY work if it is in very small numbers, and even still, a nation deserves the right to exist, as in, this is also a problem in other European nations as they too are becoming minorities in their own cities, with the trend seeing to continue in the coming decades. Anyone who says anything about replacement migration or god for bid the G word ( if i say it in large comments, my comment gets deleted )
"The only group moving into America on mass is in fact illegal immigrants"
Not really true, legal immigration is at higher numbers than ever, with many Asian and Indian immigration via VISA importation... also another massive fraudulent problem in the county
"This is the same mentality Americans had towards European and Japanese immigrants. They saw these immigrants as a threat."
I mean you are conflating two totally different groups while being broad about one and specific with another.
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"So you don't view white Hispanics as white even though they are?"
No, not all
"Spain is a majority white country but is Hispanic. Hispanic literally means relating to Spain or Spanish speaking countries."
Comparing spain to Venezuela or brazil is nonsense. and those from each would call it such
"That's why I say learn the difference between race and ethnicity. Science has identified only 4 races. Hispanic is not one of them. Race is biological, ethnicity is cultural. But I'm done debating that"
So are you implying that there is no link between genetics and culture? because i would disagree
"I don't know what the G word is so I'll just skip that"
Yeah its gen od side and we can circle back to that one later
"I understand that mass immigration can be destructive. Look at South Africa. They were made second class citizens in their own country and even still racial tensions are still high after Nelson Mandela."
You mean like how W farmers are treated right? or are we pretending that south africa wasnt made almost entirely by the dutch?
"How can immigrants assimilate if America doesn't have a culture to assimilate to anymore."
Thats the point, they dont
"The counter culture in the 60s and 70s have done away with American values and to this day they continue to try."
Id put alot of blame on marxist infiltration (See Yuri)
"I've noticed that immigrants tend to be more conservative than most Americans."
Right, weve spent the last few decades denigrating the nuclear family while importing people who dont have totally different mindsets, and family sizes. They dont assimilate to anything other than their own insular communities and your lucky if they bother with english if there are enough numbers...
"I disagree with the fraud"
You can disagree all you want, but there is rampant fraud and you can research it on your own
"but I'm not going cast judgement on all immigrants"
Well this is a numbers game based on averages, so yeah, you kinda NEED to
"This is a consequence of a globalized world"
This " globalized world" si going to lead to the erasure of the entire concept of a nation, and brand us all global citizens. this is a nightmare, and even pretending that this is ok, is alarming
Question: if it was mainly Europeans immigrating on mass into America, would you be fine with that?
firstly, depends on the numbers. current numbers today? probably not. but at the end of the day, french, dutch, english, irish, and germans will always integrate better than nigerians, somalians, cape verdians or brazillians
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@chungboislim2061 who owns the media pt3
Elisabeth Bumiller – Washington D.C. Bureau Chief
Elisabeth Bumiller is the Washington D.C. Bureau Chief for the New York Times.. Elisabeth Bumiller is ✡. Bumiller was married in a ✡ wedding ceremony performed by Rabbi Harold White..
Adam Nagourney – Los Angeles Bureau Chief
Adam Nagourney is the Los Angeles Bureau Chief for the New York Times.. Adam Nagourney is ✡ . Adam is the son of Herert Nagourney and brother of Eric Nagourney who was married in a ✡ wedding ceremony Rabbi Burt Aaron Siegel at Adam Nagourney’s house.. Adam Nagourney is also listed as a ✡ American journalist on Wikipedia. .
Steven Erlanger – London Bureau Chief
Steven Erlanger is the London Bureau Chief for the New York Times.. Steven Erlanger is ✡ . Erlanger, the New York Times’ former Jerusalem bureau chief.. According to JPost, a ✡ newspaper, the last several Jerusalem Bureau Chiefs, including Steven Erlander, are ✡ ..
Alissa Rubin – Paris Bureau Chief
Alissa Rubin is the Paris Bureau Chief for the New York Times. Alissa Rubin is ✡. Among other things, the funeral for Robert Castor, father of Enid Rubin and grandfather of Alissa Rubin, was held at Frank E. Campbell, which the Times of Israel states is a ✡funeral home..
Jason Horowitz – Rome Bureau Chief
Jason Horowitz is the NYT’s Rome Bureau Chief for the New York Times.. Jason Horowitz is ✡. Horowitz has written about his Passover celebrations in Italy and has described himself as “an Ashenazi New Yorker.”
Alison Smale – Berlin Bureau Chief
Alison Smale is the Berlin Bureau Chief for the New York Times. Alison Smale is ✡. Smale is married to Russian pianist-composer Sergei Dreznin , who is ✡ according to NPR. .
Rick Lyman - Central and Eastern European Bureau Chief
Rick Lyman is Central and Eastern European Bureau Chief for the New York Times.. Rick Lyman is ✡. Lyman and his wife have daughters including Katie Lyman a member of different improv groups on Facebook , was also in the all-✡ play Jewvangelist
Damien Cave – Australia Bureau Chief.
Damien Cave is the Australia Bureau Chief for the New York Times.. Damien Cave is Jewish. Cave has written about his Jewish upbringing and has referred to his “Mom’s ✡ relatives.”.
Jeffrey Gettleman – South Asia Bureau Chief
Jeffrey Gettleman is the South Asia Bureau Chief for the New York Times. Jeffrey Gettleman is ✡. Gettleman is the son of Judge Robert W. William, United States District Court for the Northern District of Illinois.. Judge Gettleman is ✡ and served as an attorney for the ✡ United Fund before being appointed to his judgeship in 1994.. Jeffrey Gettleman’s sister, Lynn Chehab, has also spoken on the radio program hosted by Shalom Klein [95], founder of Founder of ✡ B2B Networking and ✡ Business News
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Jake Silverstein – Editor-in-Chief, NYT Magazine
Jake Silverstein is the Editor-in-Chief for New York Times Magazine.. Jake Silverstein is Jewish. Jake’s father is the poet Murray Silverstein, who writes poetry related to ✡ identity.. Jake Silverstein is friends on Facebook with his father Murray Silverstein who has uploaded pictures of his family wearing kippas.. Jakes life story has been reported on by ✡ Business News.
Deborah Neddleman – Editor-in-chief, NYT Style Magazine
Deborah Needleman is Editor-in-chief for New York Times Style Magazine.. Deborh Needleman is ✡, as confirmed by Clutch. Deborah Needleman is married to Jacob Weisberg who is also ✡, as confirmed by the New York Times, which stated that Jacob’s brother Joseph “Weisberg came to New York in 1997 by way of Chicago, where he grew up in a liberal ✡home.”.
Jodi Rudoren - Editorial Director, NYT Global
Jodi Rudoren is Editorial Director for NYT Global.. Jodi Rudoren is Jewish. According to JPost, a ✡ newspaper, Rudoren is ✡ and has a “background…as a ✡.” . Rudoren is the former New York Times Jerusalem Bureau Chief. The ✡ journalist Varda Epstein, on her blog dedicated to Israel, has also stated that Rudoren is ✡ . According to Haaretz, an Israeli-based Jewish newspaper, Judi’s husband Gary Rudorun is also Jewish and brought his “✡ , New York humor with him to Jerusalem.” .
Ellen Pollock – Editor-in-chief, Business Day
Ellen Pollock is the Editor-in-chief of the New York Times’ Business Day.. Ellen Pollock is ✡. Ellen Pollock was married in a ✡ wedding ceremony to her husband, Barry Meier who has discussed his parents efforts to flee from NS Germany in the 1930s..
Jennifer Steinhauer – Editor of Live Journalism/D.C
Jennifer Steinhauer is the Editor of Live Journalism/D.C for the New York Times.. Jennifer Steinhauer is ✡. Steinhauer has confirmed on Twitter that she is ✡.. Jennifer was most recently the Lead Congressional Reporter for the New York Times..
Ari Isaacman Bevacqua - Director, Corporate Communications
Ari Isaacman Bevacqua (née Astles) is the Director of Corporate Communications for the New York Times. Ari Isaacman Bevacqua is ✡. Ari was married in a ✡ wedding ceremony performed by Rabbi Deborah Reichmann at Washington’s Sixth & I Historic Synagogue..
Sam Tanenhaus – Editor-in-chief, NYT Book Review
Sam Tanenhaus previously the Editor-in-chief of the New York Times’ Book Review, but he has since left the Times.. Sam Tanenhaus is ✡. Sam Tanenhaus’s mother is Gussie Tennanhaus, sister is Beth Tanenhaus Winsten, and brother is Michael Tanenhaus. Michael Tanenhaus is the Budget & Finance Chair of Temple Solel, a Jewish Synogogue a fact also confirmed by the Washington ✡ Times..
*SECTION 5: NYT Correspondents & Reporters*
Maggie Haberman – White House Correspondent
Maggie Haberman is a White House Correspondent for the New York Times. Maggie Haberman is ✡. The Forward, a ✡ publication, has confirmed that Haberman is ✡..
Binyamin Applebaum - Washington Correspondent
Binyamin Applebaum is a Washington Correspondent for the New York Times.. Binyamin Applebaum is ✡. Applebaum attended the Maimonides School, a ✡ day school.. Applebaum has written about his time at Maimonides
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Robin Pogrebin – Culture Reporter
Robin Pogrebin is a Culture Reporter for the New York Times. Robin Pogrebin is ✡. Robin’s mother, Letty Cottin Pogrebin, is also a journalist and has written that both she and Robin are ✡. .
Barry Meier – Investigative Reporter
Barry Meier is an Investigative Reporter for the New York Times.. Barry Meier is ✡. Barry was married in a ✡wedding ceremony to his wife, Ellen Pollock.. Barry has discussed his parents efforts to flee from NS Germany in the 1930s..
Matthew Schneier – Styles Reporter
Matthew Schneier is a Styles Reporter for the New York Times. Matthew Schneier is ✡. Schneier has confirmed that he is ✡ on Twitter, discussing his “✡ upbringing.”
Sheri Fink – Heath Correspondent
Sheri Fink is a Health Correspondent for the New York Times.. The Detroit ✡ News has alluded to Fink’s ✡ background. Fink is a featured author of the ✡ Book Council, and she has given speeches at ✡ community centers. Enclopedia.com has also reported that Fink is ✡..
Julie Turkewitz – Reporter
Julie Turkewitz is a Reporter for the New York Times.. Julie Turkewitz is ✡. Julie on Facebook is related to Carol Blumstein Turkewitz, who can be seen celebrating Chanukah, and all of the Turkewitz’s can be seen wearing kippas.
Jodi Kantor – Reporter
Jodi Kantor is a Reporter for the New York Times.. Jodi Kantor is ✡ . Kantor has stated that her Grandmother is “a 93 year-old H survivor.” Kantor has given speeches to Columbia University’s Center for ✡ Student Life [ and the Westchester ✡Center. [. Jodi Kantor is married to Ron Lieber [, a “reform ✡” [, and the two have made personal announcements regarding their wedding. [.
Alexandra Kuczynski – Correspondent & Reporter
Alexandra Kuczynski is a Correspondent and Reporter for the New York Times. Alexandra Kuczynski is ✡ . Alexandra is the daughter of Pedro-Pablo Kuczynski the previous Finance Minister of Peru, who is ✡ according to Times of Israel..
Roger Cohen – Op-Ed Columnist
Roger Cohen is an Op-Ed Columnist for the New York Times. Roger Cohen is ✡ . Cohen has written about growing up ✡ and having a “proud ✡ identity.”
David Brooks – Op-Ed Columnist
David Brooks is an Op-Ed Columnist for the New York Times. David Brooks is Jewish. Brooks has written that “As an American Jew, I was taught to go all gooey-eyed at the thought of Israel...."
Thomas Friedman – Op-Ed Columnist
Thomas Friedman is an Op-Ed Columnist for the New York Times, and he writes about foreign affairs, globalization and technology. Thomas Friedman is ✡. Friedman has stated in his writings that he is ✡.. Friedman also “attended Hebrew school five days a week until his Bar Mitzvah.”. Friedman “became enamored with Israel after a visit there” in December 1968, and he spent all three of his high school summers living on Kibbutz HaHotrim, near Haifa..
Frank Rich – Op-ed Columnist
Frank Rich is an Op-ed Columnist for the New York Times.. Frank Rich is ✡. Rich has for the ✡ Washington, stating that his father’s family was “German-✡immigrants” and his mother’s family was “Russian-✡ immigrants.”
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@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher
"you're the one assuming that gatekeepers are the only ones keeping the right away from the 'real' right and fighting"
So avoiding the demographic question, the who really call the shots, the " culture is just ideas" is the same stuff that keeps people from addressing the core of issues we face, IE, gatekeeping, and controlled opposition
"The same argument the tankies make about Liberals incidentally, that their influence stops them from going the 'correct' path"
????????
"You're overthinking it. Likeability is nothing to do with reality, fair enough, just as well we weren't debating the nature of reality, we were talking about gatekeepers and Likeability matters when people look at the militant left and conspiritorial right see lunatics and gravitate to a moderate position."
ANd avoiding talking about reality so its more likeable is gatekeeping and avoiding addressing of the actual problems...
spoiler, the world is full of conspiracies
"Scroll back through this thread, average people see messages like an earlier one interracial marriages and skirting the line into some insane shit and they don't choose that. Why? I was inviting you to consider that first before you blame everyone else for your inability to convince anyone but yourselves"
So i should care about the opinions of people so far down the degeneration slope pushed through marxist education and propaganda for decades? Pretending that there is something wrong with pointing uncomfortable truths out is optics cvking
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@Longshanks1690
"that first comment is complete gibberish"
Its not, but ok dude
"Are Europeans all part of one singular race or are the Franks, Anglo-Saxons and Celts all distinctly different races who should be treated accordingly?"
Yes, they are, and yes they can be different. I dont understand your inability to grasp this idea
"I really have no idea what you’re trying to say to get around this wholly fatal flaw in your ideology"
Probably because you have no idea what you are talking about
"The world does not run along “racial” lines, it runs off of cultural lines"
Yup, and where do you think that culture comes from? the ether?
"Again, this is why the separating factor between Anglo-Saxons and Celts or White/European is important. Do you regard the Welsh as a separate racial category from the English or are they all white? "
Your obsession with dividing " white" is the issue here man. Having common ancestors doesnt mean they will be exactly the same, and even if they are different id doesnt mean they are not from a similar ancestor... why this is complicated for you is beyond me
"Because I have a funny feeling you would lump all Africans in the same boat as black or Asians as a whole, when the same disparities exist there that don’t affect you because in your mind, they’re all just foreign."
I mean you seem to be willfully not understanding what im trying to tell you and this off handed comment just shows me you have nothing.
"Because when you examine the world, you see people all over the place of the same “race” abuse each other along lines that make no sense."
Buddy you arent grasping what im trying to explain to you... you arent making the point you think you are
"Why, for instance, would the Japanese persecute the Ainu if they are all part of the same race?
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Because they are different even though they are very similar.. why do you think this is a point?
"For the same reason that the English persecuted the Irish despite them both being white; because of the cultural differences between them that marked each other out as different despite, on the face of it, their skin colour being exactly the same"
I mean id argue they arent exactly the same.. yet irish english and french can get along better than other groups. which ties into the common ancestor point. Identical twins are genetically the same, yet end up being different.
"but since the globalisation of the world"
Which is becoming the greatest cancer of all civilizations...
"we still hold onto these primitive concepts of race while broadening it so a Japanese-Ainu marriage creates Asian children in the mind of you, a white person,despite all the centuries of precedence showing that this is as much of an interracial marriage as someone from Zambia and Sweden."
Dude im not even going to address how absolutely moronic that is and im just going to not bother wasting my time explaining how you are wrong
"Am I getting through to you at ALL on the absurdities of your own racially polarised worldview?"
All you have done is illustrate you have no ideda what im talking about
"You are assuming correlation equals causation."
No
"Culture is, by definition, the shared practises and beliefs of a particular people which bind them together and separate them from everyone else in the world. Of course you’re going to share culture with people you’re genetically close to since they’re the ones you grew up with and around"
uh huh, yes, go on...
"but you’re assuming that there is something predetermined about biology and race which ties someone to a particular culture rather than having been born and raised in that culture."
Yeah if that were the case why do ethnic enclaves form when there is large amounts of immigration? why does Sweden have no go zones? WTF do think " china town" even came from?
You ascribe to this " blank slate" sort of ideology where a dog can be a cat if they are born and raised with cats
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@DigitalGamerPixel
"the left view the world the way you do."
No, they dont. obviously
I've learned long ago talking with leftists that trying to get you to see my perspective is like talking to a brick wall. "
Ironic considering you consider yourself left wing, while also missing the fact that you just ignored everything i said in response, to offer some useless lets meet in the middle nonsense, which has again, only ever helped the left in this country. Because when the right capitulates and concedes ground to left wing nonsense, the phrase give them an inch they take a mile follows through right on cue. One example in recent history was we traded amnesty for a wall, we got the amnesty, but no wall, and a never ending stream of foreigners has since drastically changed the demographic makeup of my homeland. You just breezed by that without even addressing any of it.
"That is why I said "There's no use talking at this point." "Because NOTHING I say will make you reconsider your rigid viewpoint."
Because you didnt respond to anything i said in my long winded reply to you. You went right for a sophist " lets all just get along and compromise in the middle" filled with historical inaccuracies that i pointed out to you, which you also ignored.
You arent even having a discussion whatsoever. you just go " we just see things differently" without addressing the things that are different.
"Things are black and white to you, and the world just isn't that way"
Some things are. the fact that you can just so flippantly say that is not shocking to me
"People have different opinions and views that conflict with your own, which is okay, until it gets to the point where one side decides "My way is the right way, fuck everyone else."
When one side says " no" and the other side says " a lot" and we meet in the middle and get " a little" the only real loser are the ones who said no, and conceded. Now its too late, now the question is " a little more" or " a little less" and what do you think compromising is going to do? its going to shift further and further away
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Nick Rockwell - Executive Vice President & Chief Technology Officer
Nick Rockwell is an Executive Vice President and the Chief Technology Officer for the New York Times.. It is unclear whether or not Nick is ✡. However, nick’s sister Alexandra is married to David Kissinger, who is ✡
*SECTION 2: NYT Bureau Chiefs*
Elisabeth Bumiller – Washington D.C. Bureau Chief
Elisabeth Bumiller is the Washington D.C. Bureau Chief for the New York Times.. Elisabeth Bumiller is ✡. Bumiller was married in a ✡ wedding ceremony performed by Rabbi Harold White..
Adam Nagourney – Los Angeles Bureau Chief
Adam Nagourney is the Los Angeles Bureau Chief for the New York Times.. Adam Nagourney is ✡ . Adam is the son of Herert Nagourney and brother of Eric Nagourney who was married in a ✡ wedding ceremony Rabbi Burt Aaron Siegel at Adam Nagourney’s house.. Adam Nagourney is also listed as a ✡ American journalist on Wikipedia. .
Steven Erlanger – London Bureau Chief
Steven Erlanger is the London Bureau Chief for the New York Times.. Steven Erlanger is ✡ . Erlanger, the New York Times’ former Jerusalem bureau chief.. According to JPost, a ✡ newspaper, the last several Jerusalem Bureau Chiefs, including Steven Erlander, are ✡ ..
Alissa Rubin – Paris Bureau Chief
Alissa Rubin is the Paris Bureau Chief for the New York Times. Alissa Rubin is ✡. Among other things, the funeral for Robert Castor, father of Enid Rubin and grandfather of Alissa Rubin, was held at Frank E. Campbell, which the Times of Israel states is a ✡funeral home..
Jason Horowitz – Rome Bureau Chief
Jason Horowitz is the NYT’s Rome Bureau Chief for the New York Times.. Jason Horowitz is ✡. Horowitz has written about his Passover celebrations in Italy and has described himself as “an Ashenazi New Yorker.”
Alison Smale – Berlin Bureau Chief
Alison Smale is the Berlin Bureau Chief for the New York Times. Alison Smale is ✡. Smale is married to Russian pianist-composer Sergei Dreznin , who is ✡ according to NPR. .
Rick Lyman - Central and Eastern European Bureau Chief
Rick Lyman is Central and Eastern European Bureau Chief for the New York Times.. Rick Lyman is ✡. Lyman and his wife have daughters including Katie Lyman a member of different improv groups on Facebook , was also in the all-✡ play Jewvangelist
Damien Cave – Australia Bureau Chief.
Damien Cave is the Australia Bureau Chief for the New York Times.. Damien Cave is Jewish. Cave has written about his Jewish upbringing and has referred to his “Mom’s ✡ relatives.”.
Jeffrey Gettleman – South Asia Bureau Chief
Jeffrey Gettleman is the South Asia Bureau Chief for the New York Times. Jeffrey Gettleman is ✡. Gettleman is the son of Judge Robert W. William, United States District Court for the Northern District of Illinois.. Judge Gettleman is ✡ and served as an attorney for the ✡ United Fund before being appointed to his judgeship in 1994.. Jeffrey Gettleman’s sister, Lynn Chehab, has also spoken on the radio program hosted by Shalom Klein [95], founder of Founder of ✡ B2B Networking and ✡ Business News.
*SECTION 3: NYT Chief Correspondents*
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@nickwilliamson6726
this is actually getting really painful my guy
lets walk back a few comments and spoon feed you the entire way
ya know, it sure sounds alot like how js talk about the g word that if i say, i get my comment instantly deleted... funny, you can write an entire paragraph about one group, but when someone tries to talk about another, they are silenced
Nick Williamson
24 minutes ago
" I've had butt loads of comments deleted. Don't write comments for a while. They get manually reviewed. Especially when you go on a leftist channel and contradict anything they say."
Nick Williamson
18 minutes ago
" and who's js and what's the g word? I honestly don't know what you're talking about in the beginning of your comment there"
ootmaster1
18 minutes ago
@Nick Williamson go ahead, why dont you try it...
definition
Jish name for a non-Jish person.
"manual review"
laughable nonsense, if you think that you are more naïve than i thought
14 seconds, isnt time for " manual review"
ootmaster1
11 minutes ago
@Nick Williamson "and who's js and what's the g word?"
you must be REALLY new here
starts with J
rhymes with pew
starts with G
ends with -im
rhymes with joy
i literally have to play these word games to get the point across because censorship is so rampant here
Nick Williamson
10 minutes ago
@ootmaster1 was my comment reported? I don't think so. So obviously they wouldn't have manually reviewed it.
What the actual fck does this have to do with the conversation? i was answering a question, and to answer it i need to be cryptic because of YT censorship ... and here we are, with you not understanding whats going on even though its all written right in front of you
"And me pointing out that nothing in my previous comment pointing out what leftists have said about people like me seems to have sunk in with you..
what are you talking about
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@0Doves0
"I love how you deny facts and twist what I'm saying"
Nope, didnt deny anything, just pointed out that comparing islam and Christianity is a joke
"Islam and Christianity do have ugly records when it comes to converting people point blank"
Sure, but claiming that they were similar, or that one isnt infinitely worse than the other, or pointing out that only one of them is still that way, comparing them is a joke
"Do you realize that is what black Israelites want?"
something something anti-Semitism
Firstly, "my last point had nothing to do with genetic differences but instead modern luxuries getting rid of biological set backs."
except they literally dont, and many still exist. but ok
Secondly, did I not say that Africa was the most genetically diverse continent on this planet?
Secondly, Africa being the most diverse continent is a copy and paste talking point?
???
"That would imply that genetic differences aren't just skin color."
Genetic differences are more than just skin color
Do they not teach interpreting skills at school anymore or are you just illiterate?
Oh im illiterate now? lol
"You are the reason why minorities vote majority democrat despite being traditionally conservative."
Laughably false, but please, your mass of bs was a fun read...
Good day sir. This is my last comment. As of now I am drained of this convo and was brutally reminded of how toxic politics can be. I no longer want to waste energy on this.
You are pretty much the only toxic one here familam, but have fun being mentally exhausted from comments on youtube. XD
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@0Doves0 "natural diversity"
good thing we wont have that very much longer with the way things are going
"I'm sorry but do you think all non-white people think the same and can relate to each other? Do you think the same is for white people?"
Averages exist, statistical realities exist, and genetics exist. No not everyone will be the same, but most of everyone is mostly the same, thats how averages work...
"Thinking that people can solely identify with each other if they're the same race is ludicrous."
Same with thinking it has nothing to do with anything and is a moot characteristic
"People are products of their environment. The mentality and culture they identify with is based on how they're raised, not because of their race"
So when, on average, differing groups act different, what does this end up meaning? This is my point
" If the whole world was one race, people would still find a reason to hold animosity for one another."
Well thats the game plan from the globalist elites, create a one world people ruled under a one world government with no culture or heritage to rally behind, they are all empty cogs in a global machine
"But even then, this racial tribalism is something that most Americans do not live with"
Depends on your definition of most Americans in group preference exists, but its not allowed for yite people for some reason.
"You watch the news and think that's all of reality, literally playing into the media's game."
Good joke. Haven't watched the news years bud. Again, what part of " personal experience" are you not understanding?
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@themurmeli88
"you are either impplying that people had artificially fertilized the eggs that they were able to hatch, which is false"
No
For an egg to become fertilized, a hen and rooster must mate prior to the formation and laying of the egg
this means that it was fertilized at some point between laying and sending to the store. you can pretend this isnt reality but it is
"Or you are avoiding the obvious issue, that if one can simpply hatch a regular grocery store egg"
it literally can only happen if its been fertilized, and by the very nature of the industry it is exceedingly rare...
"you have no way of knowing if they are fertilized or not"
except you have the reasonable assumption that 99.999% of the time its unfertilized... your point is falling apart
"and thus giving the ok to violate your earlier point of fertilized eggs being different from non fertilized on moral grounds."
wtf are you talking about? fertilized and unfertilized are still different... how are you conflating these?
"Or you were actually unble to make the logical link between me stating that people have been able to hatch grocery store eggs, and your own point of "but only fertiziled eggs can hatch"."
it can literally only hatch if its been fertilized dude why is this complicated for you
"Or you did not realize that my initial point was to question your assertion, that eating fertilized eggs is morally wrong, while eating non-fertilized i morally right."
Morals of eating for sustenance arent the same as morals of ending lives for convivence sake, but please conflate childbirth to the meat industry some more, its totally honest
"I hope this is explanation is clear enough, if you were actually confused, and not just approaching this in bad faith.
ironic considering everything ive seen in this comment section shows me you arent here in good faith, but i digress
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@ronin4160 nation (n.)
c. 1300, nacioun, "a race of people, large group of people with common ancestry and language," from Old French nacion "birth, rank; descendants, relatives; country, homeland" (12c.) and directly from Latin nationem (nominative natio) "birth, origin; breed, stock, kind, species; race of people, tribe," literally "that which has been born," from natus, past participle of nasci "be born" (Old Latin gnasci), from PIE root *gene- "give birth, beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups.
The word is used in English in a broad sense, "a race of people an aggregation of persons of the same ethnic family and speaking the same language," and also in the narrower sense, "a political society composed of a government and subjects or citizens and constituting a political unit; an organized community inhabiting a defined territory within which its sovereignty is exercised."
In Middle English it is not easy to distinguish them, but the "political society" sense emerged by 16c., perhaps late 14c. and it has gradually predominated. The older sense is preserved in the application of nation to the native North American peoples (1640s). Nation-building "creation of a new nation" is attested by 1907 (implied in nation-builder). Nation-state "sovereign country the inhabitants of which are united by language, culture, and common descent" is from 1918.
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@Caleb-en5bo
"They have left you alone, they just mind their own business and do more good than most."
Buddy, the isreal lobby, dual citizens in government, and foreign aid despite a horrible relationship for literal decades proves this wrong...
"Im not really defending them, just offending people that are obsessed with them and lie about them like you do."
I have yet to lie, and here you are defending them.... strange
"The only research you do is lazer focused on them being bad, you dont take anything into context and if anyone that does something wrong has a large nose or curly hair you just assume they are a Jew and nothing, not even a DNA test, can shake your dogmatic faith that they are Jewish."
Literal nonsense , thus illuminating to me you have ZERO functional idea what you are talking about... carry on
"If I "did research" on the bad things you did then you would start looking like a monster, it wouldnt matter if you saved 1 million orphans at great risk to yourself because I would only be "researching" the bad things you did. Thats the only reason you hate Jews."
this is such a disappointing attempt at a gotcha. you are defending them SO hard
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@iumasz6088 nationalism is ethnic patriotism... Its in the name...
c. 1300, nacioun, "a race of people, large group of people with common ancestry and language," from Old French nacion "birth, rank; descendants, relatives; country, homeland" (12c.) and directly from Latin nationem (nominative natio) "birth, origin; breed, stock, kind, species; race of people, tribe," literally "that which has been born," from natus, past participle of nasci "be born" (Old Latin gnasci), from PIE root *gene- "give birth, beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups.
The word is used in English in a broad sense, "a race of people an aggregation of persons of the same ethnic family and speaking the same language," and also in the narrower sense, "a political society composed of a government and subjects or citizens and constituting a political unit; an organized community inhabiting a defined territory within which its sovereignty is exercised."
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@iumasz6088 "Well first of all i am not sure why you think of me as some left wing open borders activist, I advocate for controlled migration, lower amounts coming to make integration easier and higher standards for people coming here, they should learn the language and respect the culture and be a contributing member of society."
Well i dont think you are an open borders leftist, im pointing out that even with controlled immigration, its still a massive problem. Integration at this point is seen as a negative, and long term doesnt work, as groups self segregate. which leads into the question i asked. and no, japan would cease to be japanese, because indians can continue to immigrate because there are far more existing. Leading to if whites stop being the majorities in their respective countries, they stop being those countries.....
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@iumasz6088
"the standards that should be required are that the migrants should know the language respect the native culture, and this is the important part, agree with our national values, of freedom, liberty, individualism, democracy and secularism."
And when they dont? then what? When they dont speak the language, dont care for our history, care not for our freedoms, and vote for the same trash they had before they left? what do we do about that? what do we do when they tribe up, and vote as a bloc against the interests of the native founders? what happens when the population that made the country si gone?
"I don't care what food they are eating or god they worship privately (in a way that doesn't infringe the rights of others) because that doesn't matter, they, their own individuals can chose what to do with themselves."
And when they chose to collectivize in their own groups? what then? are you gonna stop them?
This how it was before the 2000s before people like Blair, these where the standards back then. And back then there where no problems with sub groups, because now we don't expect these things from migrants"
it was bad then too, just not AS bad
"Many people coming here don't believe in secularism, don't believe in individualism, as they think as a racial/religious collective"
Because this is the natural state for human tribes, and pretending it isnt is the exact problem we are having right now.
"This is why these sub-groups are forming,"
No, they form because that is the natural action of social creatures...
"Also I've said "to awnser that question, no" and I've said that it won't be ethically or culturally if they don't embrace Japanese values. I already answered no."
there isnt a qualifier... its just flat out no...
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@iumasz6088
"well the idea is that we won't let in these kind of people in the first place, we will select individuals who are not collectivist, my probably selecting better educated individuals, they are more likely to be individualists than collectivists."
We already have them here, and they have been pouring in for decades. they can now vote, and their children are citizens
"selecting individualist individuals and keeping numbers coming in low would reduce the chance of that happening"
Too late, its already happened. Now what?
"when their populations where lower there is less of a chance that they will collectivize, especially if we don't pick collectivist individuals in the first place."
Spoiler, all peoples collectivize. its how most living creatures exist...
"it was bad then too, just not AS bad"
how bad was it?
Well it went from replacing whites in white nations, and certain groups were doing certain things to other certain groups children, all the way back into the 80s and no one did anything about it. its worse now
"many people coming here think this but not everyone does, we just need to get those individuals who aren't tribalistic."
You arent even grasping the concept... ALL humans are INHERINTLY tribalistic. this is manifested in self selection and in group preference.
"the reason why this is happening now to such a extent is because a lack of expectation for them to embrace our values and due to such high amounts of already collectivist."
Uhhh what? " fighting nature because esoteric values not shared by all peoples?"
"This is a hypothetical scenario, if very Indian person who moved to japan was Japanese in every way except genetically, have the same behaviors customs and beliefs of a Japanese person, will it not be culturally Japanese."
They wont, japan will become more indian
"Sure it won't be ethnically, and if that is what you are arguing then you would be right, what about culturally?"
culturally it would become indian, and eventually " japan" would only exist on paper and in history books... just like every other group that gets displaced in their homelands.......
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@iumasz6088
"Well putting brakes on migration is step of of solving the issue from then on we can decide what to do, i think it is possible to integrate eventually, just like the immigrants in america did after a decade or two"
Dont forget ending visa work, and the entire web of importing labor. Then we can repatriate. Doing something about anchor babies would be nice too...
"All humans group up in some way, but what we've got to do is so those people coming in associate with our group more than they do theirs, and reject values incompatible with ours , but compatible ones can stay."
This is meaningless in practice...
"are you talking about grooming gangs? can you link me a source about them or some more information"
I mean both this channel and Carls channel have talked about them exhaustively.. not to mention the continued displacement of European peoples in their very homelands... you know that Ws are a global minority right? and they are all simultaneously becoming minorities in their homelands all over the world right? and even stopping immigration isnt going to stop the ones already here from growing in number... This ends pretty badly
"in group preference? well certian groups of people, whites in this case, on average have a neutral in-group out-group perference, so it is possible for people to not be tribalistic
Or, decades of " were all the same" and " were all a melting pot let everyone in" has had a negative effect on the psychology of an entire group of people? maybe that is a contributing factor, because I certainly dont have " neutral" in group/out group preference... What other group of people do you see bowing in the streets and committing acts of such self degradation in their manifested guilt? This is being done intentionally, and is the early stages of mayocide
"i've litterally stated that in every cultural aspect those indians would be japanese, the only differential factor would their skin colour and genetics, in this case they would be culturally Japanese because they ascribe to japanese culture. do you know what i mean by culture?"
You seem to think culture and genetics arent linked....
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@iumasz6088
"not sure about visas, as they usually bring in high skilled jobs with educated workers"
No, they really dont... Especially h1b visas. also, why are we importing foreigners to compete with high paying jobs for natives, thus suppressing wages?
"but we definitely don't need low skill low educated working class of the 3rd world coming here, they just saturate the labour market"
And the same thing is done to the middle and upper classes with visas....
"there are plenty of migrants that associate with our national values and don't favour their un-secular and tribalistic ones"
this is a numbers game, and the outliers arent the majorities
"carl talked about gromming gangs now, there was nothing about gromming gangs in the 1980s, you said that things where also bad before the 2000s and I thought you where talking about grooming gangs"
Its been going on for decades, Watching the video's from carl alone there were studies that touched on this happening before 2000's, just in smaller numbers and eclipse by other scandals involving children
"i also find strange you using Carl as a example, because Carl's and probably the lotus eaters view on migration is also based around civic nationalism like mine"
Yeah, hes a civcvk and civic nationalism doesnt work, but that doesnt mean he is wrong about everything... i find it starnge you even make this point
"not really, migrant birth rates decrease over generations"
Not always, first off, secondly, how would that change the explosion of births from the first few generations?
And the numbers are still large, and immigration is still ongoing, and you still think this is gonna be fine
"how is having a neutral in group preference negative?
Why would having a neutral stance be beneficial?
"not judging someone based on their race and on their character?"
Judging people by the content of their character is racist in the context that discussing racial differences is verboten in current year
"yes i do think culture and genetics aren't inherently linked"
Well, you would be wrong
"anyone can adopt a certain culture"
But they will never BE that culture
"there are plenty of other immigrants that adopt their immigrating countries culture, culture is an environmental factor, that is based on experiences, it has very little to do with genetics"
Its like you cant grasp what im talking about. What do you think " environmental factors" do to animal species over time? They are changed genetically. when they are moved to a different environment, those differences are still there. This applies to cultures. this is why groups are so different
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@iumasz6088
"fair enough, we may not need workers in general these days
And this is exclusively to the benefit of large corporations and government agencies. to the determent of the US citizen and funding massive wealth transfers out of the country
"yeah sure, but whats stopping us from just getting in the outliers in, they exist right?"
Yeah, but its a candy in a bowl situation. only a handful of candies are good, all the others are going to make you sick, and apparently the only way we can let people in is by the handful. We dont owe the whole world admission to the nation, so i fail to see why you would bend over backwards for more immigration.
:but what are the per captia rates
Look, for a problem many pretend dont exist, data about it is going to be hard to point to. you wan watch through lotus or sargons video archives and look at ones involving children being trafficked.
"the earliest ones where from the 2000s, and also the problem is likely a lot worse because nothing is done
Well yeah, because most people wont even accept it as a possibility unless you show them irrefutable proof, and you cant really get that when this problem is so widespread and hushed. Governments have been involved in human trafficking for many many years.... check out the finders cult. I wouldnt be surprised that this train of action has been going and going since the 70s. So you have decades of problems, then you import a group of people, and that problem exploded
"yes, but those are exceptions, on average the birth rates become the same as the nation"
This is meaningless if in that timeframe W people are outbred to a further degree who cares if the birth rates normalize to average after a few generations when it just means W people are a tinier and tinier fraction of the world population, while the whole world pours into W countries without stopping...
"well it won't but it won't cause migrants to overtake the native population over a course of generations, it would cause a medium term 1 generation increase, then it would go into the normal rates."
yes, yes it would, you clearly arent paying attention to anything, and are using isolated single datapoints to justify the inmage of whats hapening in your head. " wont outnumber native populations" except they already are dude,
"well why won't it? what would it change, sometimes not taking things like race and national origin into account are useful, it would stop you not taking in someone based on merit"
First off , this behavior would lead to its extinction in nature.... funny, thats whats going on right now anyway... " judging people on the merits of their actions" is just racist when you actually do it... otherwise stereotypes wouldnt exist, and a tiny fraction of the population is doing over half of all violent crime... spoiler, groups of people are different and not all compatible.
"this is a weird point, your saying you agree with the wokeists?"
"Wokist" is the most infuriating and dumb terms to describe anything, because it 100% misses the point. You seem to think anything involving race realism is " wokeist" and " the democrats the real racists" and other BS garbage talking points while obfuscating the actual issues here... We spend billions of dollars, endless man hours, endless programs, and certain groups of people still commit crime, still do drugs, and are still menaces to society. pointing out these behaviors is racist, because only certain groups seem to be doin these actions... again, judging people on the merits of their actions is also racist... but you call that wokeist while completely missing the overarching narrative is behind the "wokists" you call them You are letting leftists dictate the realm of your discussions by giving anything racial to them. you lose before you even start and you cant see that
"Elaborate, this is the point i never understood about ethno-nationalists/race-existentialists, if you acknowledge that there are exceptions as you've said there are "outliers" then how can race/genetics be a factor if they have the same race, but their culture is different, wouldn't that, going by the scientific method, suggest another factor being involved?"
What are you talking about? A cat born in a stable doesnt make them a horse. "how can race/genetics be a factor if they have the same race, but their culture is different, " Where is this even happening?
"What you've said that there can be outliers to migrants associating with national values which implies that acknowledge that migrants can adopt the native culture. Your statements seem contradictory."
No, your lack of understating seems to be the issue here... You throw a somalian into an irish and dtch city, he may learn to adopt teir culture, but he will never be OF that culture...
Its like you cant grasp what im talking about. What do you think " environmental factors" do to animal species over time? They are changed genetically. when they are moved to a different environment, those differences are still there. This applies to cultures. this is why groups are so different
"homo sapien groups have only separated in the last 100,000 years, not that long of a time relative to evolution"
Bullshit. 100% bllsht. yo can LITERALLY SEE DIFFERENCES.... cmon dde
"is there any evidence to suggest that they are different neurologically?"
Yes
"the fact that they can embrace other cultures in the first place seems to rule that out as a factor"
How, there is ZERO logical reasoning for you to assert this whatsoever...
"as if there was something inherent to race, then won't this be the case over all members of the race?"
Yes, this is how tribes work, and how every animal in nature has existed for the entirety of living earth..
"the fact that they can embrace our culture still means that we shouldn't use race as the basis for selection even if it was true."
How not??? if you keep importing replacements than the original will not stay the same. what part of that is so hard for you to grasp? a dog calling itself a cat, eating cat food, sing a litter box, and chasing mice is STILL NOT A CAT
"have you considered that environment might have affected culture, since behaviors (cultures) are shaped by experiences (environment) then ofcourse groups in a different environment would have a different culture, because they based their behaviors of the different experiences they encountered in their environments, so they interpret the world, which is different to them, differently."
LOL thank you for describing the mechanism of evolution without a hint of self awareness. You realize that you are proving my point right? that the environment that causes visual differences between peoples also has an effect on mental, physiological, and emotional parts of said group too.
The natural order has made us separate and uniquely. if we were all meant to live together, we would have ended up the same no matter where we went.
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???. except we do know how we can tell the difference, we have citizenship tests (which could be made more difficult), and other paper work like employment and education certificates and criminal records which we can use to vet. it isn't that impractical as you think it is.
None of what you just described solves anything. people work pay taxes, own homes, and live in communities, and dont even speak english, inside the US, and in the the rest of europe you have islamification. They can pass all the arbitrary criteria that you can throw at it, and still doesnt address the core issue of some groups being incompatible.
"I am talking about how come, if their racial biology is the factor that decides their culture then howcome can some members of the same race adopt a culture and some can't if culture was inherent to race you would expect every single member of that race to not be or be able to ascribe to a certain culture."
I just explained that and you didnt understand it apparently. The dog can act like a cat, eat like a cat, talk like a cat, but will still be a dog. To the effect that, even if they adopt the culture, they will always be adopters of the culture, and not born of the culture...
"wait what? you literally say that they can adopt the culture, if you adopt a culture you are of that culture"
No
"if you join a gaming community, for example, you are of that culture of that gaming community"
This has very little bearing on the discussion as hobbys are far far different than cultural heritage
"Culture is not ethnicity, i think you are getting ethnicity mixed up with culture,"
No, YOU are not grasping that the genetic reasons for different ethnicities are the same core reasons for differences in cultures created from said groups.
"prove it, show me how. all around me i see all these people from different races how can express the very same thoughts and emotions and understand each other, if there is a neurological difference, i expect it to be incredibly small and insignificant"
What the hell is this even trying to ask? are you trying to ask me to prove neurological differences between racial groups? well first off, that type of research is " racist" and isnt allowed to be done. i bring up IQ as my point, and you can feel free to look into that all you like, but to be quite frank, the current understanding of the human brain and with respect, intelligence as well, is not a well understood field to begin with.
"Go outside. This isn't meant to be a insult. I have encountered may different people of different races, who are more British than some white Britons here."
Yeah i dont care what you see. Im in the US, and i see this all the time. im now living in a foreign country, despite never moving in my life.
"Also can other whites who are from other countries, like poles and Romanians, can they adopt different cultures?"
As i said, some cultures are easier to blend than others. European cultures are more capable of inter assimilation. So like in the US when the irish came, there was a period of discontent and lets say " disagreeable" actions, the numbers were not overwhelming, they had similar cultures, and are coexisting. meanwhile, you have cliques of ethnicities popping up everywhere. hell, an entire city near me is straight up half chinese, and the street signs are bilingual in that part of town...
"what? that doesn't answer the question, if race was a factor then why do people of the same race not think exactly the same?"
What kind of stupid question is that? does every bulldog have the exact same personality? does every bluejay sound exactly the same? does a twin think exactly the same as the other twin? no, so why would your question even make sense?
"Before we move on, define culture and define ethnicity, think you are mixing up the two."
No, YOU are not getting my point. thats where this confusion comes in... " ethnicity" which is the genetic linage of a group of people, has direct impact on the cultures those groups of people create. There is a direct link between biology and culture.
"I am not talking about biological evolution, I am talking about cultural and behavioral differences that arise from growing up in a different environment."
The same principals of biological evolution have the same effect on culture... this is what im trying get at
"if you have a kid who grew up in a working class environment and a kid who grew up in a middle class environment, you would expect their values and behaviors to be different, even if they are twins."
Right, and yet there will STILL be many similarities in things they like or dislike. they will still be inside the same overall culture, and i already pointed out that even if they are twins there can and will be differences.
None of this proves anything ive said incorrect
"Regardless you still need to prove neurological differences"
they do, IQ and the bell curve
"and even if they exist, a black person can do anything a white person can"
Debatable. i dont see the entire third world rushing to go to majority black nations
"smart people exist within every race"
and averages, IQ differences, and other biological differences exist
"meaning every person should be treated on a case by case basis anyway."
100% false
Your english isnt that great. im going to assume you are new to europe
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" I can answer every point you've made but i think we can agree it is becoming trying to type out massive essay all the time, because of this i will narrow it down to a few statements, as there is this one faulty line of thinking that underpins your world view."
You can try
What i meant was that if we where to use race as a determining factor that we would use, then why would we use race, as not everyone of that race thinks the same and there are exceptions."
This question doesnt make sense. We still use breed names to describe dogs even though all dogs in the same breed arent 100% identical
"Race would be a valid factor to use if every single member thought the same, but you've established that there are outliers and exceptions."
Translation "because all in one category do not exhibit exact copies of everything, we can type that category to categorize"
cmon man it doesnt follow
"well if they exist then why use race as a determining factor?"
Because N.A.X.A.L.T..( not all X are like that)
"not everyone of that race is the same, then why treat them as if they are the same?"
Im not, YOU are, you say : we are all individuals and race doesnt matter" im stating that it DOES matter, and it shapes who we are on a genetic level. Pointing out that two twins have differences, therefore racial categorization doesnt work is foolish to state...
"also IQ data is meaningless"
No, it really isnt
"IQ is a measure of intelligence, which is increased by education
Yeah, and this is meaningless. you can educate an idiot, but he is still an idiot. the bell curve exists, and you cant educate a 68 IQ somalian to be a 100 IQ person. not gonna happen. IQs change and fluctuate over time and based on what an individual does. but you arent getting to 100 from 68 thtrough education.
"so people from developing countries with low level of education would do worse"
And yet iq differences STILL exist in racial groups in the US alone. you are wrong on this one
"It also only measures pattern recognition, only one part of general intelligence."
Again, if a simple measure for intelligence is too much for some groups of people, what makes you think they will be candidates to integrate
"Where was my English bad? Also speaking out of a glass house, almost every time i quote you your quotes are full of red underlines."
yeah but words not being in googles dictionary or things like isnt and isn't arent the same as sentences not making coherent sense.
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@Arctc-zh6rg
1. Humans are different from other mammals in that we don't have sub-species of humans. We have different phenotypes(races/ethnicities) but those are mostly cosmetic and/or socially constructed. Black and white-skinned humans are far more similar than chimpanzees and gorillas for example. That was my only point."
AH yes, the " its only cosmetic differences" reply.. you know you are fundamentally wrong here right?
2. There are different breeds of dogs lmao what? Poodles, German Shepherds, Chihuahuas etc. Those are different breeds my dude lol.
Ah yes, but you see, those are just phenotype differences and they are mostly cosmetic or socially constructed...
3. Idk what country you're from or how they do it there, but in the US(and Canada), if you're born physically within our borders, you are granted automatic citizenship. Other countries has varying restrictions, but this is fairly consistent throughout the western world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli
Yeah its crazy granting citizenship just because you were in a specific geographic region makes you totally one of that nation and will totally just blend in culturally. you are so lost
4. Immigrants assimilate and have been assimilating into their new countries for thousands of years. You act like immigrants around the world are just starting their own nations within the nations they travel too, which isn't happening anywhere, like at all lol. Stop trying to justify your racism and just take the L.
LOL dude you have o idea how wrong you are. " you act like immigrants just start their own nations within the nations they travel to" you know thats exactly what they do right? you CLEARLY have no idea what you are talking about..
" which isn't happening anywhere, like at all lol"
Why do you fckin lie dude? there are entire cities that are dominated by one ethnicity, like indians move in, now the entire block is Indian with Indian food stores, Indian religions buildings, and people speaking hindi... same with chinese, vitanmese, and tons of other ethnic flavors. Nothing like going into a CVS or a WALMART and being one of a tiny minority of W people while every other non W is speaking foreign languages in your own country... yup, that assimilation sure works out well...
Hey maybe, assimilation cant work if you endlessly continue importing foreigners? instead of assimilating, there is nothing to assimilate to, so they just stick with their own clan... if you opened your ese you could see this.... but for some reason you wont... like its intentional...
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@ericfisher1360 "If I am honest I suspect many are not understanding what I am actually saying, or the concept of Nation outside of the legal framework is a bit difficult to conceptualize for some."
a nation is its people
Nation
c. 1300, nacioun, "a race of people, large group of people with common ancestry and language," from Old French nacion "birth, rank; descendants, relatives; country, homeland" (12c.) and directly from Latin nationem (nominative natio) "birth, origin; breed, stock, kind, species; race of people, tribe," literally "that which has been born," from natus, past participle of nasci "be born" (Old Latin gnasci), from PIE root *gene- "give birth, beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups.
The word is used in English in a broad sense, "a race of people an aggregation of persons of the same ethnic family and speaking the same language," and also in the narrower sense, "a political society composed of a government and subjects or citizens and constituting a political unit; an organized community inhabiting a defined territory within which its sovereignty is exercised."
In Middle English it is not easy to distinguish them, but the "political society" sense emerged by 16c., perhaps late 14c. and it has gradually predominated. The older sense is preserved in the application of nation to the native North American peoples (1640s). Nation-building "creation of a new nation" is attested by 1907 (implied in nation-builder). Nation-state "sovereign country the inhabitants of which are united by language, culture, and common descent" is from 1918.
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@YakuzaWu
"it’s only meaningless because you want to ignore it and continue being a victim of oppression in the same vein as BLM’s rhetoric."
Laudable nonsense... im actively discriminated against because im w a white male. i dont get free stuff, i dont get mo programs, i dont get the benefit of the doubt, I dont get accepted with lower scores...
"You can’t get a small business loan/incentives because you’re white?"
Again not what i said. i said i dont get a bunch of free shit for being non white. like non whites do when doing the same things. non whites get perks and bonus and " help" to do something while the white guy doesnt qualify
exactly like when i tried for loans and grants for college, pages and pages and pages of shit for minorities, non whites and women, but very little for the white man, with all my privileges and all, i guess i dont need more help...
"that’s a lie… I’m white and I did lmao."
Also a lie, because you didnt get a bunch of free shit descanted loan rates, or anything else i just talked about.
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@DigitalGamerPixel
" I'm obviously a left wing democrat while you're a right wing republican. We have two very opposing ideas of what's good for the country, yet we can both admit the modern left has gone insane."
Sure, but we can also admit you are fundamentally wrong on many of the cores of your belief's..
"We need to start compromising again, which is what the two parties were intended to do."
WE were never intended to have a 2 party system. and compromising with the left is exactly how we got to where we are right now... there is no compromising with people who fundamentally do not see the world the way it really is.
"For example an ideal situation could be the left allows a border wall to be built to stop illegal immigration, while the right allows more leniency with legal immigration."
Again, this isnt a compromise, this is just the left winning the long game once again...
The left gets more and more immigrants, so later when they want more, its easier. Anyone paying attention to the immigration/demographic problem for a long time can see this plain as day.
"Neither side fully gets what they want, and that was the point because our country has a two party system, we need to compromise for those people."
No, we dont,. thats the core issue here. Every " compromise" is just a step to the left.
"We need to stop demonizing each other and just accept we have different views and be willing to bend a little on different things for the betterment of the country."
WE need to accept that some people are wrong. Like you
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BUT WAIT THERES MORE
Pt 1
Arthur O Sulzberger Jr. – Chairman & Publisher
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Arthur Greg Sulzberger – Deputy Publisher
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Mark Thompson – President & CEO
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Joseph Kahn – Managing Editor
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James Bennet – Lead Editor, Editorial Page
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David Perpich – President & General Manager, The Wirecutter
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Rebecca Blumenstein – Deputy Managing Editor
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Paul Walborsky – Senior Vice President, NYT Global
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*SECTION 5: NYT Correspondents & Reporters*
Maggie Haberman – White House Correspondent
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Binyamin Applebaum - Washington Correspondent
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Dana Goldstein – National Correspondent
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Sam Roberts – Urban Affairs Correspondent
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David Sanger – National Security Correspondent
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Isabel Kershner – Correspondent
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Samuel Freedman – Columnist
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Judith Shuleveitz – Columnist
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Ron Lieber – Columnist, Your Money
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Jim Rutenberg – Media Columnist
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Eric Lipton – Investigative Reporter
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Adam Goldman - National Security Reporter
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Benjamin Weiser – Federal Courts Reporter
Benjamin Weiser is a Federal Courts Reporter for the New York Times.. Benjamin Weiser is ✡. The Forward, a ✡ publication, has confirmed that Weiser is ✡..
Jess Silver-Greenberg - Business Reporter
Jess Silver-Greenberg is a Business Reporter for the New York Times.. Jess Silver-Greenberg is ✡. Silver-Greenberg has made light of her oft-✡last names, referring to herself as “✡-✡.”
Robin Pogrebin – Culture Reporter
Robin Pogrebin is a Culture Reporter for the New York Times. Robin Pogrebin is ✡. Robin’s mother, Letty Cottin Pogrebin, is also a journalist and has written that both she and Robin are ✡. .
Barry Meier – Investigative Reporter
Barry Meier is an Investigative Reporter for the New York Times.. Barry Meier is ✡. Barry was married in a ✡wedding ceremony to his wife, Ellen Pollock.. Barry has discussed his parents efforts to flee from NS Germany in the 1930s..
Matthew Schneier – Styles Reporter
Matthew Schneier is a Styles Reporter for the New York Times. Matthew Schneier is ✡. Schneier has confirmed that he is ✡ on Twitter, discussing his “✡ upbringing.”
Sheri Fink – Heath Correspondent
Sheri Fink is a Health Correspondent for the New York Times.. The Detroit ✡ News has alluded to Fink’s ✡ background. Fink is a featured author of the ✡ Book Council, and she has given speeches at ✡ community centers. Enclopedia.com has also reported that Fink is ✡..
Julie Turkewitz – Reporter
Julie Turkewitz is a Reporter for the New York Times.. Julie Turkewitz is ✡. Julie on Facebook is related to Carol Blumstein Turkewitz, who can be seen celebrating Chanukah, and all of the Turkewitz’s can be seen wearing kippas.
Jodi Kantor – Reporter
Jodi Kantor is a Reporter for the New York Times.. Jodi Kantor is ✡ . Kantor has stated that her Grandmother is “a 93 year-old H survivor.” Kantor has given speeches to Columbia University’s Center for ✡ Student Life [ and the Westchester ✡Center. [. Jodi Kantor is married to Ron Lieber [, a “reform ✡” [, and the two have made personal announcements regarding their wedding. [.
Alexandra Kuczynski – Correspondent & Reporter
Alexandra Kuczynski is a Correspondent and Reporter for the New York Times. Alexandra Kuczynski is ✡ . Alexandra is the daughter of Pedro-Pablo Kuczynski the previous Finance Minister of Peru, who is ✡ according to Times of Israel..
Roger Cohen – Op-Ed Columnist
Roger Cohen is an Op-Ed Columnist for the New York Times. Roger Cohen is ✡ . Cohen has written about growing up ✡ and having a “proud ✡ identity.”
David Brooks – Op-Ed Columnist
David Brooks is an Op-Ed Columnist for the New York Times. David Brooks is Jewish. Brooks has written that “As an American Jew, I was taught to go all gooey-eyed at the thought of Israel...."
Thomas Friedman – Op-Ed Columnist
Thomas Friedman is an Op-Ed Columnist for the New York Times, and he writes about foreign affairs, globalization and technology. Thomas Friedman is ✡. Friedman has stated in his writings that he is ✡.. Friedman also “attended Hebrew school five days a week until his Bar Mitzvah.”. Friedman “became enamored with Israel after a visit there” in December 1968, and he spent all three of his high school summers living on Kibbutz HaHotrim, near Haifa..
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Frank Rich – Op-ed Columnist
Frank Rich is an Op-ed Columnist for the New York Times.. Frank Rich is ✡. Rich has for the ✡ Washington, stating that his father’s family was “German-✡immigrants” and his mother’s family was “Russian-✡ immigrants.”
Andrew Rosenthal – Op-Ed Columnist
Andrew Rosenthal is an Op-Ed Columnist for the New York Times. Andrew Rosenthal is Jewish. Andrew is the son of ✡ author A.M. Rosenthal, whose funeral was held at Central Synagogue.. Author Harrison Salisbury has further confirmed that Rosenthal is ✡.
Paul Krugman – Op-Ed Columnist
Paul Krugman is an Op-Ed Columnist for the New York Times.. Paul Krugman is ✡ . Krugman has been listed among the "prominent American ✡ economists" in the Encyclopedia of American ✡ History..
Peter Beinart – Op-Ed Columnist
Peter Beinart is an Op-Ed Columnist for the New York Times.. Peter Beinart is ✡. Beinart’s parents were ✡ immigrants from South Africa, according to the ✡ publication Tablet Mag, and Beinart has written about how he remembers “walking back with [his] grandmother one night from synagogue.
Herbert Buchsbaum – Senior Editor
Herbert Buchsbaum is a Senior Editor for the New York Times.. Herbert Buchsbaum is ✡. The obituary for Herbert’s father, Aaron Buchsbaum, requested that donations in Aaron’s name be made to the ✡ Educational Alliance or the Agudath Achim Synagogue, and Aaron was buried in Bonaventure Cemetery which is a ✡ cemetery.
Richard Bernstein – Book Critic
Richard Bernstein is a Book Critic for the New York Times. Richard Bernstein is ✡ . The New York Times has confirmed that Bernstein is ✡..
Eric Asimov – Wine & Food Critic
Eric Asimov is the New York Times’ Wine and Food Critic. Eric Asimov is ✡. Eric Asimov is the nephew of author Isaac Asimov, who along with Eric’s father Stanley Asimov, grew up in an Orthodox ✡ family and a father that was an “Orthodox ✡.”
Jacob Bernstein – Features Writer
Jacob Bernstein is a Features Writer for the New York Times.. Jacob Bernstein is ✡. The Jewish ✡ has confirmed that Bernstein is ✡ and stated that he “attended a ✡ school” when growing up..
Elizabeth Rubin – Contributing Writer
Elizabeth Rubin is a Contributing Writer for the New York Times. Elizabeth Rubin. Elizabeth is the sister of James Rubin, who is ✡ according to TV Newsroom [ and Yahoo Voices. ].
NeJames Bennet is the Lead Editor for the Editorial Page of the New York Times. James Bennet is ✡. Rocky Mountain News has confirmed that James Bennet is the brother of politician Michael Bennet who is also ✡. James and Michael are the sons of Susanne Klejman Wed to D. J. Bennet Jr. The publication US News has likewise confirmed that James’ and Michaels’ mother was Polish-✡. Several publications have likewise confirmed that Michael Bennet is ✡, including ✡ Virtual Library the ✡ publication JWeekly and the Israeli-based newspaper Times of Israel.
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Maggie Haberman is a White House Correspondent for the New York Times. Maggie Haberman is ✡. The Forward, a ✡ publication, has confirmed that Haberman is ✡ .
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@jacobedwards4747 lol, just because i mock sargon doesnt mean i dont like watching his content. him being wrong on stuff doesnt make him no entertaining.
"" I don't blame everything on tiny hats, but actually they're all scheming against us and everything is their fault""
If you are gonna quote me can you do it with a little less obvious disingenuousness?
" Where's your evidence that tiny hats partake in bad things disproportionately?"
IDK you can start with their own words. Just because you dont hear them say it doesnt mean it isnt said. For instance, there is an article on the center for immigration studies entitled "The Jish Stake in America's Changing Demography". Or good ole barbara spectre.
"How exactly are you different from the basketball Americans who blame everything on "HUWHITE SOOPREMISSY"? "
Have you seen the crime rates and bell curve for IQ? I mean If you want to get into it, i wonder which group was disproportionally behind civil rights lobbying and minority rights groups...nahh dont ask questions
"other than being pretty ethnically homogeneous"
I mean thats reason #1
"A lot of their culture is deviant and degenerate by your group's standards."
Listen man, you are trying to tell me that japans degeneracy is a problem, while also looking at the western world for the last 10 years, and are trying to convince me its worse or just as bad? Ill take fantasy tentacles and breasts that defy physics instead of drag and the alphabets being pushed into everything... Yeah bud. really solid argument so far =D
"Nice job doing another trope that socialists of the national variety do, which is calling anyone who disagrees with you a tiny hat."
Uh no? pretty sure i didnt do that. unless i replied " show nose" in that case, lol sure
"the Samurai were a horrible group that did terrible things to the regular people of Japan."
everyone did horrible things to everyone. i fail to see how this is a pint
"You type your comments like you're a redditor looking for upvotes, it's pretty cringe."
i would rather commit unalive than post on reddit. but thanks
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"I just thought you should know that he detests people like you."
Why would i care? I know exactly what im talking about, and i know im right in what i say. Just because he has to tow the line to keep his lucrative show means nothing about truth...
"How exactly am I being disingenuous?
Uhh, you "quoted" me, but didnt actually use the words i used.... i dont know what you want me to call that
"You and your little friend went on a little tirade about how tiny hats ruin everything'
I mean, you havent given me anything that would show me otherwise.... They have a vast overrepresentation in the realms of power in the nation. congress, media, hollywood, finance.... you can pretend im making this up, but until you look into it yourself, im not going to hold my breath
"Also the words of some tiny hats aren't indicative of them as a whole, so just admit that your claim is baseless"
How is it baseless? Do you actually know anything about the Jish lobby in the united states? Do you know how over represented Js are in US government? FFS the times of isreal headline "Congress is now three times as Jish as the US is" More than Half of all the chairmen of the federal reserve have been Jish.. this isnt any form of argument my dude. Little Jish mordecai down the street isnt involved in teh conspiracy, therefore it doesnt exist is the most laughable rebuttal ive ever heard...
"My point was that you have a massive victim complex and blame almost everything on a certain group, just like basketball Americans. So please explain again how you're different."
because one is real and one is imagined.... Keep pretending massive overrepresentation if Js in positions of power is in any way the same as " whyte man racis to B man" Keep pretending that the Js arent pushing the W vs B angle to deflect from themselves. Dont sit there and tell me the " fellow whyte" meme isnt real. Do you know how many times ive read twitter threads from verified checkmarks, saying " oh we whites gotta do something about the poor minorities" then when something flips around " oh im jish thats different"
"So basically you admit that Japanese culture isn't "based" but that it's less degenerate than western culture which is highly debatable."
Being less degenerate is being more based. i dont know why you feel the need to make this meaningless distinction.
"A word that means child love is a much larger problem in Japan than in the west, it was legal to make pron with children in it as long as it was drawn up until a few years ago."
Yeah man, loli is still unironically less degenerate than cuties.. lmao Imagine pretending that drawn images are just as degenerate as IRL drag and the alphabets dancing in front of children on public streets.....
"They have a multi billion dollar industry where middle aged men will rent teenaged girls to go on dates with them (in which often there will be naughty stuff involved if you know what I mean) they literally have separate subway cars because of perverted men assaulting women. I could go on but you get my point."
They also sell used panties in vending machines, you are arent making point... You point is " oh well look at this degenerate sht they do they are degenerate" while pretending that escorts are worse than a grown man in a dress waving his ck around children...
"Is being homogeneous what makes you based?"
Yes
"So North Korea must be pretty based according to you"
More based than engaging in ethnic genohpage of your own people, yeah
"Also if you didn't actually intend to call me a tiny hat, you should've phrased your sentence differently. Because you directly quoted me and said "_ews are afraid of the samurai". "
See there you go again not actually quoting... Why do you do this? its LITERALLTY right fckin there... i can only assume its because you are a dishonest person... what i said was
the __w fears the samurai
if you think that apples to you, maybe thats your own problem
"You've literally got nothing"
He said with zero argument and an inability to reply honestly about what people say...
"I know I keep saying it but it's ironic how you socialists of the national variety seem to all be massive weebs. It's pretty hypocritical towards your ideology."
"hypocritical towards your ideology" its pretty clear you know nothing about me or any ideology you think you are talking about. you are so far ignorant of the actual reality around you, that you sit there and berate me while not even grasping what im saying. you just put me in a " oh hes an X he doesnt know what hes talking about because X" get over yourself and actually look into what opiel tell you, or remain ignorant, i dont really care, you dont seem to either...
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@basilbaby7678 "He gained notoriety for his rowdy polemic speeches against the Treaty of Versailles, rival politicians and especially against Marxists and Js"
In Hitler's mind, communism was a major enemy of Germany, an enemy he often mentions in Mein Kampf. During the trial for his involvement in the Beer Hall Putsch, Hitler claimed that his singular goal was to assist the German government in "fighting Marxism".[117] Marxism, Bolshevism, and communism were interchangeable terms for Hitler as evidenced by their use in Mein Kampf:
"In the years 1913 and 1914 I expressed my opinion for the first time in various circles, some of which are now members of the National Socialist Movement, that the problem of how the future of the German nation can be secured is the problem of how Marxism can be exterminated."
Hitler advocated for "the destruction of Marxism in all its shapes and forms".[119] According to Hitler, Marxism was a Jish strategy to subjugate Germany and the world and saw Marxism as a mental and political form of slavery.[120] From Hitler's vantage point, Bolsheviks existed to serve "Jish international finance".
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@guillermoelnino
part 1
Arthur O Sulzberger Jr. – Chairman & Publisher
Arthur O Sulzberger Jr. is Chairman and Publisher of the New York Times. Arthur O Sulzberger Jr. is ✡. According to JPost, a ✡ news publication, the Sulzbergers are a ✡ family
Michael Golden – Vice Chairman
Michael Golden is Vice Chairman of the New York Times. Michael Golden is ✡. Michael Golden is the father of Hays Golden , who is also on the New York Times’ board of directors , and the son of Ruth Sulzberger Holmberg, who is the sister of Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, who was ✡.
Arthur Greg Sulzberger – Deputy Publisher
Arthur Greg Sulzberger is Deputy Publisher of the New York Times. Arthur Greg Sulzberger is Jewish. Arthur Gregg is the son of Arthur O Sulzberger Jr , whose father, Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, was the New York Times publisher before him. [16]. According to JPost, a ✡ news publication, the Sulzbergers are a ✡ family
Mark Thompson – President & CEO
Mark Thompson is the President and CEO of the New York Times. Mark Thompson’s wife is ✡. The Independent has confirmed that his Thompson’s wife, Jane Blumberg, is ✡. The ✡ Voice of NY has likewise confirmed
Joseph Kahn – Managing Editor
Joseph Kahn is the Managing Editor of the New York Times. Joseph Kahn is ✡. Joseph Kahn is the son of Leo Kahn, a co-founder of Staples Inc. who was ✡, according to the ✡Telegraphic Agency.
Meredith Kopit Levin - Executive Vice President, Chief Operating Officer
Meredith Kopit Levin is Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer of the New York Times. Meredith Kopit Levin is ✡ . Meredith’s husband, Jason Levin , has stated, "I am ✡ . I had my bar mitzvah in Israel.”
James Bennet – Lead Editor, Editorial Page
James Bennet is the Lead Editor for the Editorial Page of the New York Times. James Bennet is ✡. Rocky Mountain News has confirmed that James Bennet is the brother of politician Michael Bennet who is also ✡.. James and Michael are the sons of Susanne Klejman Wed to D. J. Bennet Jr. The publication US News has likewise confirmed that James’ and Michaels’ mother was Polish-✡ .. Several publications have likewise confirmed that Michael Bennet is ✡, including ✡Virtual Library the ✡publication JWeekly, and the Israeli-based newspaper Times of Israel.
David Perpich – President & General Manager, The Wirecutter
David Perpich is President and General Manager of the New York Times’ The Wirecutter. David Perpich is . Perpich was married in a ✡wedding ceremony performed by Rabbi Harvey J. Winokur. Perpich is the newphew of current New York Times publisher, Arthur Ochs Sulzberger Jr.
Rebecca Blumenstein – Deputy Managing Editor
Rebecca Blumenstein is Deputy Managing Editor of the New York Times. Rebecca Blumenstein is ✡. Joanna Barsh and Johanna Lavoie write in their book, “Centered Leadership”, that Rebeccae Blumenstein’s family moved to Essexville, Michigan, where Rebacca as the “only ✡ kid in her fourth grade.”. Rebecca and her husband Paul’s life stories have been featured in The ✡Chronicle..
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part 2
Paul Walborsky – Senior Vice President, NYT Global
Paul Walborsky is Senior Vice President, NYT Global. Paul Walborsky is ✡. Walborsky was married to Liann Schottenstein in a Jewish wedding performed by Rabbi Aaron M. Petuchowski.. Paul and Liann have donated to the Addison-Penzak JCC of Silicon Valley, a ✡or organization.. Paul and Liann are also donors to JValley (The ✡Federation of Silicon Valley).
Nick Rockwell - Executive Vice President & Chief Technology Officer
Nick Rockwell is an Executive Vice President and the Chief Technology Officer for the New York Times.. It is unclear whether or not Nick is ✡. However, nick’s sister Alexandra is married to David Kissinger, who is ✡
*SECTION 2: NYT Bureau Chiefs*
Elisabeth Bumiller – Washington D.C. Bureau Chief
Elisabeth Bumiller is the Washington D.C. Bureau Chief for the New York Times.. Elisabeth Bumiller is ✡. Bumiller was married in a ✡ wedding ceremony performed by Rabbi Harold White..
Adam Nagourney – Los Angeles Bureau Chief
Adam Nagourney is the Los Angeles Bureau Chief for the New York Times.. Adam Nagourney is ✡ . Adam is the son of Herert Nagourney and brother of Eric Nagourney who was married in a ✡ wedding ceremony Rabbi Burt Aaron Siegel at Adam Nagourney’s house.. Adam Nagourney is also listed as a ✡ American journalist on Wikipedia. .
Steven Erlanger – London Bureau Chief
Steven Erlanger is the London Bureau Chief for the New York Times.. Steven Erlanger is ✡ . Erlanger, the New York Times’ former Jerusalem bureau chief.. According to JPost, a ✡ newspaper, the last several Jerusalem Bureau Chiefs, including Steven Erlander, are ✡ ..
Alissa Rubin – Paris Bureau Chief
Alissa Rubin is the Paris Bureau Chief for the New York Times. Alissa Rubin is ✡. Among other things, the funeral for Robert Castor, father of Enid Rubin and grandfather of Alissa Rubin, was held at Frank E. Campbell, which the Times of Israel states is a ✡funeral home..
Jason Horowitz – Rome Bureau Chief
Jason Horowitz is the NYT’s Rome Bureau Chief for the New York Times.. Jason Horowitz is ✡. Horowitz has written about his Passover celebrations in Italy and has described himself as “an Ashenazi New Yorker.”
Alison Smale – Berlin Bureau Chief
Alison Smale is the Berlin Bureau Chief for the New York Times. Alison Smale is ✡. Smale is married to Russian pianist-composer Sergei Dreznin , who is ✡ according to NPR. .
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part 4
Michael Gordon – Chief Military Correspondent
Michael Gordon is the Chief Military Correspondent for the New York Times.. Michael Gordon is ✡. Michael Gordon is the son of former news executive Matthew Gordon and Antonia Gordon. . Michael Gordon’s grandmother (Matthew Gordon’s mother), Ida Gordo, was buried at Beth David Cemetery which is a ✡ cemetery.
Andrew Ross Sorkin – Chief M&A Correspondent
Andrew Ross Sorkin is the Chief M&A Correspondent for the New York Times. . Andrew Ross is ✡. Sorkin appeared on United ✡ Appeal (UJA)-Federation of New York’s 2013 list of 40 under 40 top “movers and shakers” in the ✡ community.. With regard to his ✡, Sorkin stated as follows: “I am [✡]! A Christmas loving ✡! We did Chanukah last night and we will again tonight and the night after….”.
Liz Alderman – Chief European Business Correspondent
Liz Alderman is the Chief European Business Correspondent for the New York Times. Liz Alderman is ✡ . The ✡ publication JWeekly has confirmed that Alderman is ✡.
*SECTION 4: NYT Leading Editors*
Jonathan Weisman – Deputy Washington Editor
Jonathan Weisman is the Deputy Washington Editor of the New York Times.. Jonathan Weisman is ✡. Weisman has described himself as a “✡ journalist” and referred to “my ✡ faith.”. Weisman was also highlighted as a ✡ journalist in a report issued by the Anti-Defamation League.
Susan Chira – Assistant Managing Editor
Susan Chira is Assistant Managing Editor of the New York Times. Susan Chira is Jewish. Chira was married to in a ✡ wedding ceremony performed by Rabbi Julie Gordon. The Columbia Student News Outlet, Bwog, has written about Susan’s son doing “Torah reading” as well as both her son and daughter have their Bar Mitzvah and Bat Mitzvah, respectively, in Lerner. Chira has often covered ✡ issues throughout her course of employment at the Times. ].
Jake Silverstein – Editor-in-Chief, NYT Magazine
Jake Silverstein is the Editor-in-Chief for New York Times Magazine.. Jake Silverstein is Jewish. Jake’s father is the poet Murray Silverstein, who writes poetry related to ✡ identity.. Jake Silverstein is friends on Facebook with his father Murray Silverstein who has uploaded pictures of his family wearing kippas.. Jakes life story has been reported on by ✡ Business News.
Deborah Neddleman – Editor-in-chief, NYT Style Magazine
Deborah Needleman is Editor-in-chief for New York Times Style Magazine.. Deborh Needleman is ✡, as confirmed by Clutch. Deborah Needleman is married to Jacob Weisberg who is also ✡, as confirmed by the New York Times, which stated that Jacob’s brother Joseph “Weisberg came to New York in 1997 by way of Chicago, where he grew up in a liberal ✡home.”.
Jodi Rudoren - Editorial Director, NYT Global
Jodi Rudoren is Editorial Director for NYT Global.. Jodi Rudoren is Jewish. According to JPost, a ✡ newspaper, Rudoren is ✡ and has a “background…as a ✡.” . Rudoren is the former New York Times Jerusalem Bureau Chief. The ✡ journalist Varda Epstein, on her blog dedicated to Israel, has also stated that Rudoren is ✡ . According to Haaretz, an Israeli-based Jewish newspaper, Judi’s husband Gary Rudorun is also Jewish and brought his “✡ , New York humor with him to Jerusalem.” .
Ellen Pollock – Editor-in-chief, Business Day
Ellen Pollock is the Editor-in-chief of the New York Times’ Business Day.. Ellen Pollock is ✡. Ellen Pollock was married in a ✡ wedding ceremony to her husband, Barry Meier who has discussed his parents efforts to flee from NS Germany in the 1930s..
Jennifer Steinhauer – Editor of Live Journalism/D.C
Jennifer Steinhauer is the Editor of Live Journalism/D.C for the New York Times.. Jennifer Steinhauer is ✡. Steinhauer has confirmed on Twitter that she is ✡.. Jennifer was most recently the Lead Congressional Reporter for the New York Times..
Ari Isaacman Bevacqua - Director, Corporate Communications
Ari Isaacman Bevacqua (née Astles) is the Director of Corporate Communications for the New York Times. Ari Isaacman Bevacqua is ✡. Ari was married in a ✡ wedding ceremony performed by Rabbi Deborah Reichmann at Washington’s Sixth & I Historic Synagogue..
Sam Tanenhaus – Editor-in-chief, NYT Book Review
Sam Tanenhaus previously the Editor-in-chief of the New York Times’ Book Review, but he has since left the Times.. Sam Tanenhaus is ✡. Sam Tanenhaus’s mother is Gussie Tennanhaus, sister is Beth Tanenhaus Winsten, and brother is Michael Tanenhaus. Michael Tanenhaus is the Budget & Finance Chair of Temple Solel, a Jewish Synogogue a fact also confirmed by the Washington ✡ Times..
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part 5
*SECTION 5: NYT Correspondents & Reporters*
Maggie Haberman – White House Correspondent
Maggie Haberman is a White House Correspondent for the New York Times. Maggie Haberman is ✡. The Forward, a ✡ publication, has confirmed that Haberman is ✡..
Binyamin Applebaum - Washington Correspondent
Binyamin Applebaum is a Washington Correspondent for the New York Times.. Binyamin Applebaum is ✡. Applebaum attended the Maimonides School, a ✡ day school.. Applebaum has written about his time at Maimonides.
Dana Goldstein – National Correspondent
Dana Goldstein is a National Correspondent for the New York Times. Dana Goldstein is ✡. Own Goldstein’s own website, she has written about her “✡ upbringing,” being raised as a “Conservative-movement ✡ ,” and attending “Hebrew school.” .
Sam Roberts – Urban Affairs Correspondent
Sam Roberts is an Urban Affairs Correspondent for the New York Times. Sam Roberts is ✡. Sam’s son, Michael, was married in a ✡ wedding performed by Rabbi Erica Greenbaum. . Roberts has written on ✡ themes in his work..
David Sanger – National Security Correspondent
David Sanger is the National Security Correspondent for the New York Times.. David Sanger is ✡. David’s grandfather is Elliott M. Sanger a co-founder of WQXR, who was ✡ and was a part of the American ✡ Committee.. Elliot interviewed Iphigene Ochs Sulzberger for the American ✡ Committee and “asker her about ✡ stuff.”.
Isabel Kershner – Correspondent
Isabel Kershner is a Correspondent for the New York Times.. Isabel Kershner is Jewish. Kershner has been described as a "✡ Israeli".. Kershner is married to Hirsch Goodman, who is also ✡.
Samuel Freedman – Columnist
Samuel Freedman is a Columnist for the New York Times.. Samuel Freedman is ✡ . Freedman was named one of the “Forward Fifty" most important American ✡ in the year 2000 by The Forward, a weekly ✡ newspaper.. Freedman is a board member of the ✡ Book Council and for several years was a regular columnist on American ✡ issues for the Jerusalem Post.
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@guillermoelnino
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Judith Shuleveitz – Columnist
Judith Shulevitz is a Columnist for the New York Times.. Judith Shulevitz is ✡ . The ✡ Journal has written about Judith Shulevitz’s ✡ writings and her “own ✡ experiences.”. Shulevitz has spoken with NPR about her ✡ and her observance of the ✡ Sabbath..
Ron Lieber – Columnist, Your Money
Ron Lieber is the Columnist for the New York Times’ column, Your Money.. Ron Lieber is ✡. Ron Lieber is “a reform ✡.” Ron Lieber is married to Jodi Kantor, and the two have made personal announcements regarding their wedding.
Jim Rutenberg – Media Columnist
Jim Rutenberg is a Media Columnist for the New York Times.. Jim Rutenberg is ✡ . Rutenberg’s mother is Barbara Ritter Rutenberg ,rents buried were at Mount Lebanon Cemetery , a ✡ cemetery. Rutenberg has written about being a ✡ journalist. .
Eric Lipton – Investigative Reporter
Eric Lipton is an Investigative Reporter for the New York Times.. Eric Lipton is ✡ . Lipton was married in a ✡ wedding ceremony, as announced by the ✡ Exponent, a ✡ publication.
Adam Goldman - National Security Reporter
Adam Goldman is a National Security Reporter for the New York Times. Adam Goldman is ✡ . Goldman lived in Israel for a number of years before returning to US. On Facebook Goldman ‘likes’ Gan Shalom ✡ preschool which is a ✡ preschool.
Benjamin Weiser – Federal Courts Reporter
Benjamin Weiser is a Federal Courts Reporter for the New York Times.. Benjamin Weiser is ✡. The Forward, a ✡ publication, has confirmed that Weiser is ✡..
Jess Silver-Greenberg - Business Reporter
Jess Silver-Greenberg is a Business Reporter for the New York Times.. Jess Silver-Greenberg is ✡. Silver-Greenberg has made light of her oft-✡last names, referring to herself as “✡-✡.”
Robin Pogrebin – Culture Reporter
Robin Pogrebin is a Culture Reporter for the New York Times. Robin Pogrebin is ✡. Robin’s mother, Letty Cottin Pogrebin, is also a journalist and has written that both she and Robin are ✡. .
Barry Meier – Investigative Reporter
Barry Meier is an Investigative Reporter for the New York Times.. Barry Meier is ✡. Barry was married in a ✡wedding ceremony to his wife, Ellen Pollock.. Barry has discussed his parents efforts to flee from NS Germany in the 1930s..
Matthew Schneier – Styles Reporter
Matthew Schneier is a Styles Reporter for the New York Times. Matthew Schneier is ✡. Schneier has confirmed that he is ✡ on Twitter, discussing his “✡ upbringing.”
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@AdamJMGamesDev
You not liking the outcome of these specific points I've made doesn't make them false.
you arent making a point, you are just telling me what you googled to satisfy your own preconceived notions. You literally even said to google it
"wow thata a totally non baised way to find information....."
Not sure why you're choosing to write this way, it's weird. Also asking someone to google the point I just made isn't biased if it is already the outcome of several studies done.
no it actually is pretty baised... you can get a study to say whaveter you want if you control the parameters and funding so realistically its meaningless, more so coming from vox...
"are you dense or intentionally being naive? Do you see " diversity" being pushed in cina or cambodia? what about south korea? africa? why is this diversity garbage only in white majority nations, while slowly turning them into white minority nations.."
This is so ridiculous, why are people not allowed to move around?
Why are you deflecting and not answering the question?
"Why should people be locked into a place that isn't where they want to move, people want to travel, explore and start families, to trade and do business, to start companies and grow teams to create products etc. This has always been the case and is not "new". "
Why is it that this is only concentrated in white majority nations? why even have borders at all? are you one of those borders are just imaginary lines types of people? because thats pretty antithetical to the concept of a nation...
"Researchers have found currency, antiques, clothes and even literal remains of people from different continents all over the globe. Looking at human history from an anthropological and historical viewpoint as well as a factual view, this has always been the case. Humans have always mixed and travelled. People make out as though the last century has been this massive demographic shift when it is simply not true in the limited sense they portray. "
It literally is and you are being dishonest... 95% white to less than 60% white in the US in less than 50 years and this is supposed to be normal? Its not.. people moving around doesnt negate the existence of groups and nations...
"Also, again, you literally do see people from China and Cambodia intermixing with other groups, do you know anything of West Indian history? What do you think a diaspora is?"
Again you are avoiding my questions. im not arguing against the existence of intermixing, im pointing out that all this is anti white in nature and is only happening in white majority countries. You are being dishonest and deflecting
"Do you see " diversity" being pushed in cina or cambodia? what about south korea? africa?"
The answer to this question is yes across multiple fronts.
you are a dishonest liar... pointing out immigration doesnt negate the demographic changes taking place in white nations, you are dishonest and deflecting again..
"Africa is a massive continent housing so many different people, customs and lifestyles. As aforementioned there are activists fighting for their rights and ability to express themselves across the world. What you are implying is that this is only happening in "white majority nations" which is not the case at all."
It literally is... you dont see massive demographic shifts in ANY nation outside white nations, and the chinese invading large chunks of africa... nothing you are saying is illustrating how im wrong, its a numbers game
"What do you think colonialism was? The transatlantic slave trade etc. People literally forcing their way into other places via literal militaristic force, committing war crimes and robbing places of their resources, wealth and literal people."
Oh look more deflection and avoiding my points. great work
Lmao. If you don't like the idea of people interacting in a global sense, then you're going to keep being upset about lots of human history
wow look how totally not dishonest you are being and how totally not deflecting from my points you are
"You care so much about this idea of being turned into a minority, it has not happened yet and is something that you seem to be so fearful of."
Im literally explaining to you the process that is happening right in front of my eyes, and has been happening for literally decades, and you are sitting there and teling me its not happening... get real man, "white" are already a global minority, yet in the places they are majority, they are becoming a minority and you have zero issues with that? pretty anti white of you dude, id say you are almost europhobic...
"You have yet to provide anything other than right wing feelings talking points."
You have done nothing to even address my points, and you deflect... wow what a shock
"You are wrong, you are incorrect, you are unable to back up any claims"
Im literally describing to you reality and you are telling me it doesnt exist while simultaneously not addressing anything i said... shocker
"Lmao what are you talking about, racist rhetoric and sentiments against white immigrants are real in many senses, it exists in many forms of xenophobia too mainly but if you know the history of Irish/Polish immigration/interactions with powers like England etc or the US. You realise that there exist many issues here too. Hence my mentioning of how people used to differentiate themselves on a nationalist basis with the specificity being used to put some people above others even though we both classify many groups as "white" today. Whiteness is political and social. People utilise this rhetoric the same way signs used to say "No Blacks, No Dogs, No Irish" on buildings. I don't ignore any of this, why would I? It goes to prove a lot about many different societies, that whiteness as a construct is malleable and in essence is something a group can "buy into" in a social sense when accepted by the in-group to serve a certain role in society as well as these things changing via political power and agreements made between countries etc.
more deflection of my point
thanks, i guess all flavors of white people no matter how there are differences between them can just all become minorities in their home countries as well as minorities in the US all at the same time while being massivly outnumbered by every other group on the planet, because this is totally normal...
"an entire system that benefits non whites, in white countries, over native whites, and you seem to think its ok because reasons" this is such a mess lmao. Systems like affirmative action for example exist to help aid people in combating centuries worth of literal racist policy in various fields.
it destroys meritocracy in favor of Marxist identity politics and this is a good thing? or is this a revenge on le ebil whitey so its ok do discriminate?
"The sooner we break down the issues regarding the past the sooner we can continue to grow toward a brighter future for all."
Yeah like punishing whites and denying problems that happen because racism and colonialism, so lets make them minorities in their own homelands, that will show them how ebil and racist they are....
"If defense budget spending was injected into social issues, healthcare, housing, welfare and community development as well as education and water/heat/electricity/internet access/stability as specific "rights". A lot could be done that'd benefit so many people."
this is such idealist pie in the sky garbage that lacks understanding of how money is actually spent... you do realize that the us government spends more on welfare programs than military funding every year? we keep spending billions and billions on everything you just mentioned and nothing comes of it... government is the problem, more government spending isnt going to fix it.
"Also, again what we consider "white" today differs than in parts of last century and eras prior to that."
What difference does that make if they are all made minorities in their nations? what difference does it make when they are drowned out by the literal masses of the rest of the world?
"Also, your attempt to posit non-whites as non-native, there are lineages of non-white people who have been born, raised, who lived and died in the US for hundreds of years"
Again the massive deflection of my overall point... whites in majority white nations are being made minorities in their own homelands and calling this out makes me racist somehow
"I see what you're doing. It is not anywhere near as simple as you think."
You keep getting lost in the weeds to avoid my iron clad point
white are becoming minorities all over the world in all of their own nations and im not allowed to talk about it because its supposed to be normal
do white deserve to exist or not? if they do, why insist on making them minorities all over the world?
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@jswets5007 "What a blissful thought, that doesn't require one to think too much."
imagine being you
nation (n.)
c. 1300, nacioun, "a race of people, large group of people with common ancestry and language," from Old French nacion "birth, rank; descendants, relatives; country, homeland" (12c.) and directly from Latin nationem (nominative natio) "birth, origin; breed, stock, kind, species; race of people, tribe," literally "that which has been born," from natus, past participle of nasci "be born" (Old Latin gnasci), from PIE root *gene- "give birth, beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups.
The word is used in English in a broad sense, "a race of people an aggregation of persons of the same ethnic family and speaking the same language," and also in the narrower sense, "a political society composed of a government and subjects or citizens and constituting a political unit; an organized community inhabiting a defined territory within which its sovereignty is exercised."
In Middle English it is not easy to distinguish them, but the "political society" sense emerged by 16c., perhaps late 14c. and it has gradually predominated. The older sense is preserved in the application of nation to the native North American peoples (1640s). Nation-building "creation of a new nation" is attested by 1907 (implied in nation-builder). Nation-state "sovereign country the inhabitants of which are united by language, culture, and common descent" is from 1918.
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@harrisonjodeit4340 "The fact that a black market still exists for it, here in Minnesota, proves that most people who use weed do not do so as any medically recognized therapeutic (because, again, it has become MORE illegal to use for fun). And I think we all knew what it's mainly used for already."
and pretending that it wont be profitable to sell even when legal is lunacy
"Pick a state and you will either find governmental meddling which furthers the black market or else the dying out of that market."
Even if there was zero laws or regulations on drugs, there would still be a market to sell and profit. pretending that the government is the only reason black markets exist is just hilarious. They dont make them better, but they exist to serve a market, weather the government interferes or not, still means there's a market. The demand will not disappear if its made legal... And even if it was cheaper safer and easier to buy from a legal dispensary, i wouldnt buy it, id buy it from someone else. because F the state
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@screwgoogle4993 Its like you have no idea what you are talking about
nation (n.)
c. 1300, nacioun, "a race of people, large group of people with common ancestry and language," from Old French nacion "birth, rank; descendants, relatives; country, homeland" (12c.) and directly from Latin nationem (nominative natio) "birth, origin; breed, stock, kind, species; race of people, tribe," literally "that which has been born," from natus, past participle of nasci "be born" (Old Latin gnasci), from PIE root *gene- "give birth, beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups.
The word is used in English in a broad sense, "a race of people an aggregation of persons of the same ethnic family and speaking the same language," and also in the narrower sense, "a political society composed of a government and subjects or citizens and constituting a political unit; an organized community inhabiting a defined territory within which its sovereignty is exercised."
In Middle English it is not easy to distinguish them, but the "political society" sense emerged by 16c., perhaps late 14c. and it has gradually predominated. The older sense is preserved in the application of nation to the native North American peoples (1640s). Nation-building "creation of a new nation" is attested by 1907 (implied in nation-builder). Nation-state "sovereign country the inhabitants of which are united by language, culture, and common descent" is from 1918.
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cant see your comment unless i go incognito BTW
1. America is divided on helping anyone because we are sick kf being world police.
Not really, "81 million votes* lol most people are NPCs and believe whatever the "authoritative sources" tell them, this also implies that the people of the nation have any control over their governments (spoiler, they dont)
2. The only reason why some Americans are gun hoe over Russia is the 5 year old Russia destroying America's democracy narrative.
they are "gung ho" (lol) because the media they consume tells t hem to
3. Americans are sick of manufacturing being gutted so other nations can reap the benefits.
and? that is why the powers that be are importing over 1 million foreigners a year. to replace the increasingly unruly cattle already here, with dumber easier to manipulate cattle...
4. America has its own domestic problems and nobody cares about global issues unless the media rolls out the red carpet.
And vast swaths of the population get riled up by whatever red team blue team garbage is pumped out any given time...
The age demographics crisis in Japan people have talked about for years is coming full steam for almost every country the difference is Japan had 40 years to figure out their issues which is to unload exports to a consumer rich country.
The solution isnt to import more people,
There won't be space in the future for capitalism and Socialism... despite loving capitalism we need something different and nobody is doing the work except for THE GREAT RESET Fucks. So people better get on the ball before the bald headed German is calling the shots...
wtf are you talking about? the people in charge of the great reset are the ones controlling world governments already... this is the plan they set in motion....
WEF isn't trying to destroy our system to make a new one they are seeing our system is going to be destroyed reguardless and they want to be there to be the first.
THEY RUN THE SHOW NOW wtf are you talking about???
America can leave, we have a healthy age demographics plus Trump saw the signs and restructured our trade deals.
Trump was essentially useless. he was a relief valve to the growing discontent with W voters... and he did nothing to actually solve anything, just played his roll, just like every other XOG candidate
You can see it with Merkels reaction when Trump didn't give Germany the same typical deal we always gave them.
Literally all a show
America has the largest arable land that doesn't require fertilizer input.
We have a large navy that can protect our trade lines around the world.
We have access to Pacific and Atlantic Ocean.
We don't share a continent with a super power.
And they are all under control of ZOG
That why I am saying America next war is with Mexico because of the 50 year long trade deal, America and Mexico need the cartels gone for this too work.
cartels are nothing compared to the people who actually run the show,....
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@felixfungle-bung4688
Youth work and join security forces.
Why work for a system that h8tes you and promotes foreigners over you?
Youth pay taxes, tuition, buy houses, cars, clothes, have kids and pay more taxes.
Cant afford anything anyway, taxation is theft, spend on useless eaters who are imported in large numbers inflating cost of living, homes, goods, cars etc...
When you turn 35 to 45 you start spending less, the kids get older and you save money for retirement.
45-60 you see soley working on retirement and when you do retire you no longer pay the brunt of the taxes.
And ill never get social security when i retire because the system is broken. Savings and retirements will be meaningless with inflation and raising cost of living, while the system imports replacements, feeds, clothes', educates, and give them a place to live on my tax dollar...
A country can't survive if most of the population isn't working and taking from the system.
A nation cant survive demographic replacement. I dont care if the system crashes and burns, i really really dont. It isnt for me, it doesnt benefit me, it only takes from me, and then spits on me
If there isn't Youth to grow out economic sectors than your country becomes stagnant.
GOOD, i dont care! when everything fails, all the useless eaters go first. then people who are able to be self sustaining, can build something worth protecting.
again most countries have horrible age demographics.
Yeah, its called a reduction. almost like you cant have infinite growth forever...
"You only care about South Africa? "
No, i only care about actual south afrticians... you know, the whyte ones who are being regularly deleted for being white and owning sht...
Well it's fucked....
Yeah, thanks in no small part to nonwhytes
You seem to think that we need to keep the system afloat... why? you havent given me a single reason why keeping a system that h8tes me and wants me dead is a good plan?
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@YakuzaWu
1. I addressed your point.
You literally avoided my point. My point isnt about who wants to move where, its about national sovereignty. You just went on a rant saying " well white people dont want to move to non white countries so whats the problem"
"You’re using those countries as justification of removing no whites thus creating a forced white ethno state"
Pointing out that every group and culture can have a defacto ethnostate, EXCEPT whites is my entire point here.
"And I’m pointing out their demographics are not shaped by ethno states but that white people refuse to immigrate enough to create a large white populous."
White people just want to exist, non whites are the ones that want to move to white countries... why is that?
2. Natural in group preference is fine it happens it’s apart of nature and can be found among many majority or all white spaces all over the UK. Wanting to forcefully have ONLY white spaces akin to BLM’s push for black only spaces is fearful racist trash.
You arent even addressing what im talking about and are arguing for something im not even talking about.
You seem to fail to grasp the concept of ": diversity is anti white. that whitepoeple arent allowed to remain white in their own countries because you seem to think everyone who wants to move there should be able to... they shouldnt.
3. “It doesn’t matter” well there’s your dullard bigotry
So because you dont understand statistical reality, and the nature of islam, im a bigot... cmon dude try harder
"Wanting to persevere your land, culture and heritage isn’t racist... but wanting to kick out all non whites and assuming all Muslims and minorities are out to kill ya and want to take everything from you is racist.
Buddy, you cant seem to grasp what im trying to articulate here. If whites dont remove non whites from their lands, they arent going to stay white for much longer. You cant defend and preserve your culture, land and heritage if you are forced to compete with an endless stream of non whites coming from countries with much higher birth rates...
you cant grasp this for some reason
“Let me guess, you’re none white”
you’ll never know lmao. I may be Caucasian I may be East Asian I may be part West African (if you know you know)
You clearly are anti white based on your behavior, so i can only assume...
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@paidgovernmentshill_6950
"You mean you've gone from asserting that the collapse wasn't what the "official story" (whatever that is) says it was, because it want hit by a plane to pretending you don't care because you know you don't have a chance of backing up your claim, scooter."
no, wow, its almost like you have no intention of being honest in this discussion, LOL who could have seen THAT coming. THANKS. I guess a government allowing an attack to take place would NEVER happen, and they would NEVER immediately pass legislation afterwards in an extremely short period of time, when normally government is slow and girding. While a special individual who just so happen to not be in the building one day, just so happens to get a free demolition, plus an insurance payout for his lease ownership of the property...you can assert all you want
"So, is being hit by a plane the only way a building will collapse?"
No, it doesnt, but good job detective, youve cracked the case
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@paidgovernmentshill_6950 "absolute nonsense"
Ok
Nation
c. 1300, nacioun, "a race of people, large group of people with common ancestry and language," from Old French nacion "birth, rank; descendants, relatives; country, homeland" (12c.) and directly from Latin nationem (nominative natio) "birth, origin; breed, stock, kind, species; race of people, tribe," literally "that which has been born," from natus, past participle of nasci "be born" (Old Latin gnasci), from PIE root -gene "give birth, beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups.
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@0Doves0 Comment keeps getting yeeted and i cant figure out why
also reporting false crime convictions? If not then they're obviously not reporting false hate crimes.'''
well theres a website called fakehatecrimes you can look it up. but yeah, sure buddy, " hate crimes" only seem to work one way against yitey . Cant hate hate crimes against yite people in a yite country, nope
"Also, continuing with the anecdotes as if they trump statistics."
And the statistics are in my favor, as they say exactly what i said they said... please go off some more though
"Also, the right tells the b community to focus on b on b crime more than hate crimes since it's more prevalent. So by that logic, you should focus on w on w crime since that is also more prevalent."
Yeah, but W people arent committing half the violent crime in the entire country, even though they are more than half the population. a tiny fraction of the population (B males) is committing almost half of all violent crime in the country, and you are claiming these things are comparable... LOL ok
"Lastly, notice how crime is mostly skewed in poor urban areas"
Notice how those areas are disproportionally non yite? notice how there are more poor yites than blacks, but you dont see massive crime rates in poor yite neighborhoods please go off more about something ive spend literally years paying attention to lol
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@0Doves0
"So now you're denying fbi statistics after throwing them out multiple times? Ok 😂"
Nope, im denying your ability to read what is written before you friend haha
"really has nothing to do with race but a multitude of other factors."
Suuuuure
"What you're doing is comparing apples to oranges. Most poor whites live in rural areas. Rural areas have a drastically lower population than urban areas. And since a good portion of poor whites are concentrated in the Appalachian mountains, I'll discuss there. First off, the Appalachian has very secluded areas that may use vigilantes than an actual police force."
So your explanation that poor yites are less violent than poor Bs is, its less population dense? this would imply that the masses living in close proximity is the problem, but if thats the case, why arent W's the primary crime drivers in cities? wouldnt there still be a large protion of Ws in cities?
"Secondly, the drug usage there is insane as well as suicide rates. It is one of the most miserable places to live in on par with urban areas. Money always flows out and never in.
Let us take one typical example - McDowell County, West Virginia:
"McDowell County is in the 3rd percentile for safety, meaning 97% of counties are safer and 3% of counties are more dangerous.----Your chance of being a victim of crime in McDowell County may be as high as 1 in 9 in the southwest neighborhoods, or as low as 1 in 21 in the northeast part of the county."
Population density plays a major role in crime as well. Poor blacks tend to live in very urbanized areas and poor whites tend to live in rural areas. When you have more people, you have more crime. That's how it is regardless of the country or state.
Interesting. sounds pretty terrible. im so glad that there is this one example you have. but i dont think it makes up for the statistical average of everything else. Apparently the B population is 10%..... i wonder what percentage of crime they make up?
"But the main reason is because of drugs mixed with poverty. Drugs can cause poverty."
It doesnt explain everything
"We see this with the opioid crisis that affected the white community. Now you see them falling into homelessness and incarceration. Those inner cities that you always hear about are major hubs for drug trafficking."
So the opioid crisis in the non urban centers is die to the urban centers drug trade? im lost here
"There is a long history of illegal drugs and the government dating back to the 70s and 80s during the "war on drugs". The government literally admitted to targeting black communities and political enemies."
the government does alot of things against its citizens. Not gonna hear any disagreement from me
"The height of the "war on drugs" is also why you see crime rise so sharply in the 70s and 80s, but since then, the national crime rate has been falling ever since."
I guess drugs are why grape and assault happen all the time? I mean if you want to think about drugs causing people to commit robberies, wouldn't the drugs be the problem and not the enforcement of drug laws? also, dont @ me with complaints about drug laws. Drugs should be legal , unless in the case of selling to minors.
"And lastly, fatherlessness does not help. Around 60 percent of men in prison grew up without fathers. A good percent of black children don't have fathers and that is one of the reasons why so many black men in those cities are involved in gangs. Without a father figure to guide you and teach you how to be a man, the gang becomes your father."
Gonna have to agree with you here. Not gonna see me disagreeing with a father in the lives of individuals greatly increases their ability to function ins lawful society.
"Lastly, if this was about race, then African immigrants wouldn't excel in America or have higher education achievements than native born Americans (including white Americans). Instead, they would fall to crime like you'd think."
Does the concept of averages not exist to you? or is a bell curve too complex? Dont forget the lowering of standards, and affirmative action that exist..
"also, nice to see you use slang from a community you despise so much🙂"
Uhhhh what slang are you reffering to?
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uh oh, only 2% of the population, but
As well as making up 30% of the richest 100 and (at least) 139 of the Forbes 400, ✡ Americans contributed 17.7% of the US GDP as of 2005
The ✡ people may account for less than 0.2% of the world's population, but among the 1,426 billionaires around the globe, 165 or 11.6% of them are ✡ , and their joint wealth has reached the incredible amount of $812 billion, according to Forbes Israel. Out of the 50 richest people in the world, about a quarter or 25% are ✡ , and of the top 10 richest ✡ in the world, eight are from the U.S., while two are from Russia.
BIG THINK
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@DeusExAngelo "Look at who I was replying to and the context I was using the term ethnonationlist. Regarding the sentiment that Vivek is somehow not an American, because he's not white. Does that not strike you as shallow, dimissive, and rather dehumanizing? And in case you ask, no it is not acceptable behavior if someone happens to be white."
he is not American,. he is indian... pretending that " American" is anyone with the right paperwork is dehumanize and in essence an eradication of the concept of the founding of the united states of America to be one of European descent, according to the nationalization act of 1790 ( free whyte men of good character)... Anything contrary to that is a detriment to the existence of the nation as a whole.
"I take it you are someone who labels himself as ethnonationlist. So let me ask you, in your own words, what does "Pro Your People" mean to you?"
Pro european. english, french, german, dutch, and keeping the nation as close to those roots as possible. and that DOESNT mean importing endless waves of foreigners and giving them the right to vote and change my homeland. This is the same issue being faced all across the european world... and no one seems to be batting in defense of europeans.... Its always Europeans defending their right to exist at all
"And what do you think individuals who do not belong to "Your People" be looked at and treated? Do you think you can co-exist with them? I'm genuinely curious."
They have their own homelands they belong to. India keeps being indian, china keeps being chinese, etc etc... whyte European countries keep being ""diverse"" and cease to be whyte European
"So my comments are shadowbanned? Odd. Though not entirely surprising, I suppose. I remember seeing a number of your replies in this comment chain and others prior."
Generally it depends on words you use. I figure its a combination of what words you use, and how often you are censured
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"So because he is not white, despite being born here, speaking perfect American English, and valuing the Constitution he is not American? That's not just a "the right paperwork', and how is it dehumanizing?"
Because he is a foreigner. he isnt " American" in the same way an africian born in japan isnt japanese....
"So you're using the 1790 Naturalization Act instead of the 1787 Constitution or the original founding document that made no mention of this? What use that Act in particular?"
Because it was literally the first immigration and nationality related act made by said nation... and it explicitly points out what the nation was and what its intentions were.
"what about the anti-immigrant sentiment of 1795 that put further restrictions on the "free white men of good character."
Wow so they were even stricter with immigration? wow. what a far cry from letting anyone and everyone inside and giving them citizenship. Was this supposed to counter my point or something?
"So why did this tension exist between people you deem as wanting to keep as "close to these roots" as possible. When the Western European groups you mentioned have as many cultural differences as similarities. This isn't even mentioning the other stipulations from the 1790 Naturalization Act. Nor is bringing in the issue of slavery."
So because european groups sometimes clash when meshed together means we should have un ending influx of foreign culture and ethnic classes? What does slavery have to do with anything? whytes were slaves more than nonwhytes
"Also notice you didn't mention the Spanish, Italians, Irish, Scottish, Poles, Swedes, and all other Europeans groups."
So because i mention some i need to mention all?
"Let alone Eastern Europeans. Some of which (especially the Scotts, Italians, and Irish) were discriminated against heavily in US history. Some not even considered "white" until more recently to my understanding."
Yeah its crazy, your argument that sometimes whites dont mesh well together means we should have un ending non whyte immigration to whyte nations forever to the point where they are no longer whyte is such a stunning argument
"Additionally, you're equating allowing any limited, legal immigration and naturalization from people who's ancestral heritage is not strictly Western European, with being cool with mass, unrestricted, and illegal immigration? That's not what I am saying nor implying. Heck, if you listened to Vivek's stance on immigration you'll know he actually wants to put more restrictions on immigration."
I dont care for the immigrant who would have only been here for the bastardization of my nations immigration law, to be the one to " fix it" he wont fix a thing. he wont fix anything, and will most likely steam line the " legal" process, and allow larger numbers of his type of people in. OR are we gonna pretend the same isnt happening all through europe. Secondly If his plans arent mass deportations and repatriation, and a retroactive claim against the 1965 immigration act i dont care. Its nto going to fix antyhing and the problem of ethnic erasure will continue. In 100 years, india will still be indian for vivek to go hoem to. Europe will be flooded by non europeans and erased... Same with the united states....
"Plus, I'd say it's very hyperbolic to say "it's always Europeans defending their right to exist at all". Like, do you mean throughout human history? Even when for most of human history that Europeans fought one another on the regular? Heck, something seen across all broad ethnic groups in humanity."
AH yes euros fought against other euros, therefore euros fight to defend themselves against innumerable non european hordes is strange
"So do you think we should deport everyone and anyone who doesn't fit your criteria of being strictly Western European?"
A European nation should always remain at least 90+% european.
"How do you plan to do that? By force and coercion?"
Yes
"What about people of mixed heritage? What is to be their fate?"
I mean, other than one of the MANY problems with mixing groups, they can always trevel to the other half of their peoples nations, because im sure they will continue to exist while europe is erased...
"What about people who've always lived in the states and never set foot in their "ancestral homeland"? What about those who love this country and dedicated themselves to it? You don't think that they exist or have an ulterior motive?"
I think they are a far far smaller number than what you think it is... People fleeing bad times in their own homelands would most likely just abandon their new homes when going gets tough... thats sort of the point
"But beyond that, you didn't answer if you think you can co-exist with these individuals at all?You do need to quote other parts of my comment, especially since this discussion is going longer."
what do you mean co exist? each group has their own homes and spaces. why do they all need to come to mine? why do i need to be forced to live inside diversity? why is it im not allowed a homogenous nation to live in? "co exist" with people you never invited to live with you? people who are nothing like you , look nothing like you, and have vastly different customs cultures and mannerisms? why do i have to be forced to coexist with that?
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@DeusExAngelo
-Sorry force of habit, also helps to read the reply when replying to it
-Yes he is. " dynamics" mean nothing. he will always be a foreigner...
- "Honorary japanese" is not "japanese by the way... "happens more often than you think" and how often is the founding stock of a nation reduced to less than 50% in a short time frame, and fit most of the major points of he UN charter on gen cide?
- " the way it was supposed to be setup" AH yes because the same group of people that decided the thing we made should be made for our people and their children didnt intend for the nation to stay for the childrens of their people, but to become a shopping mall for the entire third world populations to pour in? Cmon now...
-"euros sometimes fight themselves, therefore conflict will be equally the same with vastly more different groups of people" isnt the argument you think it is. " should say that for all of europe" yeah, i do say that. i say that alot, because nearly every single European nation on the planet is facing the EXACT same problem of being replaced by foreign populations. Britian, France, germany, Sweden, even ireland is being invaded... you keep acting like this slow motion gen cide isnt the case and are having a philosophical debate on ideas, and im trying to point out the reality of ethnic erasure of entire groups of people. You SERIOUSLY underestimate the culture clash of non euros to euros... even if a frencman and a german are different and have different cultuyres and mannerisms, they are FAR FAR closer to each other than a random indian or a sub-Saharan africian, or an islamic middle easterner... its not even a comparison
-"we are all individuals not groups" pointless platitudes that mean nothing. You can pretend that all peoples are the same on an individual level, or that you cant make group comparisons, but you are wrong and misled.
-"euros fought eachother" see above
- "twisting" Well with the way this conversation is going you arent " for" it but you certainly dont seem to consider that its happening at an ethnically cleansing rate...And yet when it happens, and said immigrants are now in power over the native population, im the bad guy for not wanting this to happen?
"Like this is the way so many leftists argue, and why so many (myself included) see your idealogy as reflections of one another."
LMAO
My argument is you are treating all individuals in these groups as monoliths who all think one way or another. How do know that 100 years from those countries are going to be that way? How exactly? I have no idea what will happen a century from now.
-"how do you know"
Because i can extrapolate simple population numbers? and im not being dishonest about the reality of whats going on?
"I have no idea what will happen a century from now. "
-I know for SURE that if the problems plaguing Europeans countries (including the united states BTW) arent fixed in a generation or two, there wont BE any europeans left...
-"hood culture is akshually from rednecks"
No, not even gonna dignify that.
-Quite frankly i dont care where they end up, they cant stay here, and they cant stay in european countries. they have countries filled with their own people. You act like there arent endless pockets of foreign countries inside the USA, or that massive MASSIVE portions of the immigrant population barely speak english. and they bring their culture and customs and families with them. "native americans" lol they are kind of grandfathered in, and have reservations and have endless gibs.
-"you cant collaborate with other peoples unless you let them into your nation in massive numbers and give them all citizenship" Its like you arent even trying to grasp what im trying to say to you... but thats ok
"I think you severely underestimate how many nonwhite Americans who love the USA."
When i walk into walmart, and im one of the only 3 whyte people in it, and i hear 6 different languages, what the fk is "America" at that point? The good ones are CLEARLY outnumbered by the vast hoards of ungrateful... So many love the USA that they send money back home to the tune of millions and millions of dollars. Its why so many keep their own cultures and traditions, and languages its so amazing being in a foreign country despite living here my whole life... Real Americana is being ethnically and culturally replaced in your own home. You seem to fail to grasp what that means somehow...
-"my personal experience is good therefore your argument bad" Come on man
-"its vile and evil to do the only thing that is going to preserve your people and what they created for you" You had better hope mass deportation's and repatriates happen or your gonna see what happens when all the europeans are gone.... its gonna look like south africian farmers and chicago everywhere.
"Sincerely, do you not have any friends outside your broad ethnic group like at all?"
Yes, but they are so rare and are outliers. You are sitting there sayingi have an (X) friend who likes things i like and thinks like me and are extrapolating that to everyone.
"Have all your experiences with those who happen not be white been that negative"
Most of my interactions with non eurpoeans have been negative.
"Or have ever even met any in real life at all?"
I was regularly assaulted as a kid in school, mostly by B Americans . I learned how much of a leg up non whytes get with scholarships and grants when i was trying to go to college. Worked in tech and grasped how awful working with Indians is, and how terrible the tech industry has gotten
Heck, virtually all comments and replies I've seen of yours are some expressing racial grievance. Outside that, are you okay?
Have you ever looked at interracial crime statistics? like ever?
Im watching a media and government/cooperation/global initiative to erase my people from the globe simultaneously on multiple fronts. and were having discussions about not all non whytes are bad we cant keep european countries european that would be mean. Anyone who says otherwise is a racist bigot whyte supremacist who wants to glass all the non whytes from the world, when in reality all i want is my people to continue to exist in the lands they cultivated. No one in their right mind would go to japan or taiwan and tell them they should let themselves be outnumbered by foreign peoples and cease to run their own nations, and through the inevitability of what happens at that point, they will cease to exist.
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"misrepresenting/reducting my view, accusing me of faulty logic and then yourself engaging"
ANd such an example being what exactly?
"you don't get it"! and that I am somehow being dishonest."
If you arent understanding what i said and are unable to counter what i said. how am i being dishonest? You dont even bother responding to anything i said. Nothing about the impending ethnic gen ocide of my people across the globe in a coordinated effort. No mention of group differences, or crime. like you just ignore it and give me platitudes like an indoctrinated leftist.
"No, I get exactly what you're about and what you want. It's clear it's not that you think pretty much anyone who is non-European is incompatible, dangerous, and/or inferior to anyone who happens to be of primarily European descent. "
We are different. genetics matter. Pretending all peoples are blank slates is a dangerous and naive worldview. Some peoples are better than others. This is objective fact. Some peoples build civilization s, others tear them down... Take south africa for instance... Developed and grown from the dutch settlers, and now its a shtshow with gruesome ethnic h8tred driving the m rder of whytes in south africa and the large part of many peoples are now starving as they destroyed the farms...
"You believe they feel that way about Europeans and ergo you."
They do, i see it every day with the distain and whyte h8tred. Remember, its ok to be proud of your people and ethnicity, unless you are a european, then you are the most evil type of person on the planet...
"That you want them as far away as possible from you because of this perception."
The red birds stay with the red birds, the blue birds stay with the blue birds. Nearly every single group of poeple on the planet in all of history have behaved with an in group preference. its a survival mechanism. Saying its wrong for a European people to stay a European people is astronomically mind boggling to me
"You want as pure and homogeneous an ethnostate you can get. Even suggesting to use violence to achieve it."
The red birds stay with the red birds, the blue birds stay with the blue birds. "violence" as in repatriation? like we did during 1929 and 1939? Its nto unheard of, its not evil, its not even that hard to do.... Nearly every single group of poeple on the planet in all of history have behaved with an in group preference. its a survival mechanism. Saying its wrong for a European people to stay a European people is astronomically mind boggling to me
"This is I said it reminds me of how leftists argue"
This is ironic because you are arguing from the viewpoint of a leftist. "if you arent with me you are against me" you ARE against me on the sheer fact you think im horribly wrong about the solution to the problem. You oppose the ethnic reality of europeans for some odd reason. Im jumping to conclusions? because im witnessing european ethnic gen ocide worldwide, and saying something about it? You seem to not care about the fate of european peoples.... i can only assume this is because you are not european... this would allude to the entire point i was making about in group preferences.
Ultimately, we both think the other is wrong or misled. I wish you the best, but I am not nor will I ever part of "your people" you wish I was. Nor I am obligated to be. Sorry.
Well you are either misled, or arent understanding the scale and threat of what im discussing.... You are free to live in your own world, but the reality of the words i have spoken are not erased by ignoring it.
"but I am not nor will I ever part of "your people" you wish I was. Nor I am obligated to be. Sorry."
so im summation, im arguing with a non european about the fate of europeans, and you not grasping the threat to my people is somehow me jumping to conclusions?
1800 come on now
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@MrRavellon lol yup, guess thats why the US and britian teamed up with the soviets to destroy nationalism, white identity, and the birth of the poisned foundation myth
For modern Westerners the story of WWII has become their foundation myth. It fulfills all three functions.
1) We live in the ‘Post-War World’. The lines on the map, the institutions, the sense of what era we live in, all arise from the starting point of WWII.
2) Ultimate evil is Nazis. Ultimate good is opposing Nazis. The values derived from these definitions are anti-racism, equality, diversity, anti-nationalism and so on.
3) The only thing that is held sacred, that cannot be denied or mocked in the contemporary West, is the Hall of cost
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@chungboislim2061 who owns the media
Arthur O Sulzberger Jr. – Chairman & Publisher
Arthur O Sulzberger Jr. is Chairman and Publisher of the New York Times. Arthur O Sulzberger Jr. is ✡. According to JPost, a ✡ news publication, the Sulzbergers are a ✡ family
Michael Golden – Vice Chairman
Michael Golden is Vice Chairman of the New York Times. Michael Golden is ✡. Michael Golden is the father of Hays Golden , who is also on the New York Times’ board of directors , and the son of Ruth Sulzberger Holmberg, who is the sister of Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, who was ✡.
Arthur Greg Sulzberger – Deputy Publisher
Arthur Greg Sulzberger is Deputy Publisher of the New York Times. Arthur Greg Sulzberger is Jewish. Arthur Gregg is the son of Arthur O Sulzberger Jr , whose father, Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, was the New York Times publisher before him. [16]. According to JPost, a ✡ news publication, the Sulzbergers are a ✡ family
Mark Thompson – President & CEO
Mark Thompson is the President and CEO of the New York Times. Mark Thompson’s wife is ✡. The Independent has confirmed that his Thompson’s wife, Jane Blumberg, is ✡. The ✡ Voice of NY has likewise confirmed
Joseph Kahn – Managing Editor
Joseph Kahn is the Managing Editor of the New York Times. Joseph Kahn is ✡. Joseph Kahn is the son of Leo Kahn, a co-founder of Staples Inc. who was ✡, according to the ✡Telegraphic Agency.
Meredith Kopit Levin - Executive Vice President, Chief Operating Officer
Meredith Kopit Levin is Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer of the New York Times. Meredith Kopit Levin is ✡ . Meredith’s husband, Jason Levin , has stated, "I am ✡ . I had my bar mitzvah in Israel.”
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@chungboislim2061 who owns the media pt2
James Bennet – Lead Editor, Editorial Page
James Bennet is the Lead Editor for the Editorial Page of the New York Times. James Bennet is ✡. Rocky Mountain News has confirmed that James Bennet is the brother of politician Michael Bennet who is also ✡.. James and Michael are the sons of Susanne Klejman Wed to D. J. Bennet Jr. The publication US News has likewise confirmed that James’ and Michaels’ mother was Polish-✡ .. Several publications have likewise confirmed that Michael Bennet is ✡, including ✡Virtual Library the ✡publication JWeekly, and the Israeli-based newspaper Times of Israel.
David Perpich – President & General Manager, The Wirecutter
David Perpich is President and General Manager of the New York Times’ The Wirecutter. David Perpich is . Perpich was married in a ✡wedding ceremony performed by Rabbi Harvey J. Winokur. Perpich is the newphew of current New York Times publisher, Arthur Ochs Sulzberger Jr.
Rebecca Blumenstein – Deputy Managing Editor
Rebecca Blumenstein is Deputy Managing Editor of the New York Times. Rebecca Blumenstein is ✡. Joanna Barsh and Johanna Lavoie write in their book, “Centered Leadership”, that Rebeccae Blumenstein’s family moved to Essexville, Michigan, where Rebacca as the “only ✡ kid in her fourth grade.”. Rebecca and her husband Paul’s life stories have been featured in The ✡Chronicle..
Paul Walborsky – Senior Vice President, NYT Global
Paul Walborsky is Senior Vice President, NYT Global. Paul Walborsky is ✡. Walborsky was married to Liann Schottenstein in a Jewish wedding performed by Rabbi Aaron M. Petuchowski.. Paul and Liann have donated to the Addison-Penzak JCC of Silicon Valley, a ✡or organization.. Paul and Liann are also donors to JValley (The ✡Federation of Silicon Valley).
Nick Rockwell - Executive Vice President & Chief Technology Officer
Nick Rockwell is an Executive Vice President and the Chief Technology Officer for the New York Times.. It is unclear whether or not Nick is ✡. However, nick’s sister Alexandra is married to David Kissinger, who is ✡
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*SECTION 3: NYT Chief Correspondents*
Mark Leibovich – Chief National Correspondent
Mark Leibovich is the Chief National Correspondent for the New York Times.. Mark Leibovich is ✡. The Forward, a ✡ publication, has confirmed that Leibovich is ✡, stating that Leibovich tries to channel his “✡ outside status” and that Leibovich “is the son of a ✡ immigrant from Argentina.” [98].
Shane Goldmacher – Chief Political Correspondent
Shane Goldmacher is the Chief Political Correspondent for the New York Times. Shane Goldmacher is ✡ . Shane’s Grandparents are Ruth and Jerry Goldmacher.
Peter Baker – Chief White House Correspondent
Peter Baker is the Chief White House Correspondent for the New York Times.. Peter Baker’s wife is ✡. Baker is married to Susan Glasser who the Daily Caller has reported is ✡..
Cheryl Stolberg – Chief Domestic Affairs
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Michael Gordon – Chief Military Correspondent
Michael Gordon is the Chief Military Correspondent for the New York Times.. Michael Gordon is ✡. Michael Gordon is the son of former news executive Matthew Gordon and Antonia Gordon. . Michael Gordon’s grandmother (Matthew Gordon’s mother), Ida Gordo, was buried at Beth David Cemetery which is a ✡ cemetery.
Andrew Ross Sorkin – Chief M&A Correspondent
Andrew Ross Sorkin is the Chief M&A Correspondent for the New York Times. . Andrew Ross is ✡. Sorkin appeared on United ✡ Appeal (UJA)-Federation of New York’s 2013 list of 40 under 40 top “movers and shakers” in the ✡ community.. With regard to his ✡, Sorkin stated as follows: “I am [✡]! A Christmas loving ✡! We did Chanukah last night and we will again tonight and the night after….”.
Liz Alderman – Chief European Business Correspondent
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*SECTION 4: NYT Leading Editors*
Jonathan Weisman – Deputy Washington Editor
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Susan Chira – Assistant Managing Editor
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Andrew Rosenthal – Op-Ed Columnist
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Paul Krugman – Op-Ed Columnist
Paul Krugman is an Op-Ed Columnist for the New York Times.. Paul Krugman is ✡ . Krugman has been listed among the "prominent American ✡ economists" in the Encyclopedia of American ✡ History..
Peter Beinart – Op-Ed Columnist
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Herbert Buchsbaum – Senior Editor
Herbert Buchsbaum is a Senior Editor for the New York Times.. Herbert Buchsbaum is ✡. The obituary for Herbert’s father, Aaron Buchsbaum, requested that donations in Aaron’s name be made to the ✡ Educational Alliance or the Agudath Achim Synagogue, and Aaron was buried in Bonaventure Cemetery which is a ✡ cemetery.
Richard Bernstein – Book Critic
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Eric Asimov – Wine & Food Critic
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Jacob Bernstein – Features Writer
Jacob Bernstein is a Features Writer for the New York Times.. Jacob Bernstein is ✡. The Jewish ✡ has confirmed that Bernstein is ✡ and stated that he “attended a ✡ school” when growing up..
Elizabeth Rubin – Contributing Writer
Elizabeth Rubin is a Contributing Writer for the New York Times. Elizabeth Rubin. Elizabeth is the sister of James Rubin, who is ✡ according to TV Newsroom [ and Yahoo Voices. ].
NeJames Bennet is the Lead Editor for the Editorial Page of the New York Times. James Bennet is ✡. Rocky Mountain News has confirmed that James Bennet is the brother of politician Michael Bennet who is also ✡. James and Michael are the sons of Susanne Klejman Wed to D. J. Bennet Jr. The publication US News has likewise confirmed that James’ and Michaels’ mother was Polish-✡. Several publications have likewise confirmed that Michael Bennet is ✡, including ✡ Virtual Library the ✡ publication JWeekly and the Israeli-based newspaper Times of Israel.
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Maggie Haberman is a White House Correspondent for the New York Times. Maggie Haberman is ✡. The Forward, a ✡ publication, has confirmed that Haberman is ✡ .
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@solisprime2669 "So again the idea of skin folk is kin folk is crap."
its not crap bro, its literally how the entire world functions...
nation (n.)
c. 1300, nacioun, "a race of people, large group of people with common ancestry and language," from Old French nacion "birth, rank; descendants, relatives; country, homeland" (12c.) and directly from Latin nationem (nominative natio) "birth, origin; breed, stock, kind, species; race of people, tribe," literally "that which has been born," from natus, past participle of nasci "be born" (Old Latin gnasci), from PIE root *gene- "give birth, beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups.
The word is used in English in a broad sense, "a race of people an aggregation of persons of the same ethnic family and speaking the same language," and also in the narrower sense, "a political society composed of a government and subjects or citizens and constituting a political unit; an organized community inhabiting a defined territory within which its sovereignty is exercised."
In Middle English it is not easy to distinguish them, but the "political society" sense emerged by 16c., perhaps late 14c. and it has gradually predominated. The older sense is preserved in the application of nation to the native North American peoples (1640s). Nation-building "creation of a new nation" is attested by 1907 (implied in nation-builder). Nation-state "sovereign country the inhabitants of which are united by language, culture, and common descent" is from 1918.
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@iumasz6088
"I am not talking about breed names, i am talking about using race to treat people differently."
Who said treating people differently based on race? the whole point is that if you treat people differently based on outcome, you will find racial dividing lines in them.
"You are saying that because people of race A are smarter, on average than race B we should only pick people of race A, well what if some who doesn't align with that average come in Someone from race B who just so happens to be smarter than everyone else?"
Exceptions prove the rule and whatnot... You yourself stated that we should only take the smart ones...
"by the standard you established you would still refuse that extremely smart race B person."
Yes, unicorns exist and by excluding people on the basis of ethnic origin would disallow a few smart people from dumb countries to move... Generally i feel like absorbing the smart people of certain groups ruins it for the rest of the group and leads to a downward spiral in those countries due to brain drain. You only have two options, let everyone in, and ruin the host nation, or absorb all the ones capable of improving the immigrant nations. both are net negatives, and only benefit global multinationals
"there is nothing meritocratic about this sort of treatment, it just uses averages to justify absolute rules that are actually arbitrary."
And setting every other nation on earth into a stagnating pool is just as terrible an outcome...
"just like, The woke"
Not even close
"Yes this this sort of rejection of nuance and simplification of averages to absolute rules is done by them as well, in concepts like white privilege
" white privilege" is just the end result of genetic speciation leading some groups to be better than other groups. The point of " white privilege" and other lefty woke nonsense, is to demonize and psychologically harm whites in their own countries to further the globalist plans of ethnic replacement of Europeans.
"They take the simple fact that whites are on average more successful than others and twist this fact into a flawed statement that all white people are privileged despite there being examples that spit in the fact of this simplification"
Its deliberate. This is the end result of " meritocracy" some groups are better than others and it shows
lets see if the facts align.
They align with me, and the bell curve
"this source over here states that an extra year of schooling can increase IQ by small but noticeable amount. Remember this is ONE YEAR of schooling, imagine how much getting an education does"
Wow, almost like nothing you have said has thus far disagreed with anything i said. you can improve a small and noticeable amount, but again, you arent getting a 68IQ somalian to be on par with the average 100IQ European tis just NOT gonna happen, you arent getting 32 IQ points arbitrarily through school....
"Extra year in class raises IQ, study finds"
"1-5 points"
"Study Shows Education Boosts IQ"
based on the same study, again, 1-5 points... isnt 32 points
"Also if IQ was based on biology then why is it increasing by 10s of points in one generation? is evolution that fast? in one generation? or an other factor in play here?
data also shows that the Americas and Europe have increased IQ from 1910 to the 2000s by 22-32 points, once again can evolution be that quick to change IQs so considerably in a 100 years?"
Again, you arent making an argument against my point... IQ is genetic, there is zero dispute there. " 10s of points in one generation"
no, that isnt happening. and since the 2000s the average IQ in the US has started to drop.... probably from both massive importation of lower IQ populations combined with an intentionally bad school system...
"now if we subtract that from the current average of 100 we get around 68-78 IQ which is the IQ average currently of Africa"
No, this is not how anything works
"And what happened between 1910 and 2010 in Europe and Americas?
Lots, the eradication of good schooling, mass importation of foreigners, mass exodus of jobs and manufacturing, and global marxism growing every day since the 60s... what point are you trying to make?>
"oh yeah, massive economic growth and massive strides in technology which both improved living and working conditions and most importantly education which increased IQ further more.
Yeah so when are these things going to happen ion somalia? when is somalia going to have economic growth? the tech is already invented, they dont even have to create anything, just copy what others have done? why is it still a dump? could it be that the people are different?
"If we managed to get from a 68 average European IQ to a 100 european average IQ "
Where are you getting "europeans has 68 iq" from? because thats not a thing
"Then what is too say in 100 years the Somalian IQ of 68 won't become 100?"
Because you are not grasping the concept
"I mean in two generations, 40 years it increased by 12 points"
Where is th is happening? no dada i hav ever seen suggests this? you are talking aout of yourt ass
"there is nothing to suggest that it won't stop growing or that it is the biology that decides IQ"
Then why are somalians still 68 avg IQ? they have had over 100 years since the europeans had whatever you call it happening to them that magically got them from legally mentally disabled to average intelligence ....
"The source i got this from is called:
"The Flynn Effect: IQ gains over time""
Great, so why are they not getting better? if all the samrt ones leave, how is the rest supposed to become more intelligent?
"racial groups also have socioeconomic"
Done, not going to bother with muh socioeconomic garbage... Its wrong, and doesnt explain teh outcomes.
"differences between then such as income, education and family life. just like the differences between other countries."
and yet these things being accounted for, there is still racial disparity....
"yeah but words not being in googles dictionary or things like isnt and isn't arent the same as sentences not making coherent sense."
have you really called me a foreigner because i haven't included the ' in isn't?
No, YOU complained about the red lines under words when i complained to you, that was the isnt isn't. i gave you a separate example of poor sentence structure and you ignored it in this reply. The structure is written by someone with ESL, adn in my experience this has always been indians
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you've said false to me saying we shouldn't treat people based on race, or was this something else?
Meaning that " treating on a case by case basis" lends to patterns emerging (racial disparities) By judging on teh merits of teh individual, group differences still occur
"so why not take in the smart ones even if they are not part of the on average smarter race?"
Brain drain mostly, and it is entirely not needed
"As i've said nothing meritocratic about this you are denying a more able person in favour of a less able person. if a philosophy ends up with someone less able being in a position and a more able person being rejected. Then it is NOT merticratic as it spits in the face of its purpose"
What? " denying more able for a less abled person" wtf are you talking about? you bring up merit based immigration, and i state its a brain drain, and isnt needed, yet you keep harping on it like we NEED to take in the whole world for some bizarre reasoning that is never explained..
"" white privilege" is just the end result of genetic speciation leading some groups to be better than other groups."
wait so your saying you're different from the woke, then why are you agreeing with them?
If this is what you are getting from what i said, you are both not grasping what the " woke" think, and not grasping what im explaining to you...
"thats why i am showing you facts that disprove your theories"
except you are failing to do so
"1-5 points"
OK I already answered this, listen Carefully
ONE
YEAR
EXTRA
ONE YEAR, an person spend their time in education in the west for around 14-20 years, this may not be the case but if one year of education yeilds an increase two IQ per year that means if a person recieves a basic primary and secondary education they get 28 extra IQ, even with this low estimate you got a person jumping from 68 to 98, just slightly below average.
This is lunacy... where are all the 160 190 IQ europeans if you can just arbitrarily gain IQ from schooling... Shoot, you should see college grads in the 200+ category regularly but you dont....we dont see them because what i said is true, and intelligence is a sliding scale based on your genetics, and you can never be raised above that, only move in the range allowed by the biological makeup of your brain...
"based on the same study, again, 1-5 points... isnt 32 points"
I was talking about the other study
No, i googled what you quoted, and both articles reference the exact same study... maybe learn to read what you post before posting it? IDK what to tell you
Have you actually read the study i've shown? you here it is again:
"The Flynn Effect: IQ gains over time"
Look dude,
i read the wiki page, and in it they studioed different periods of time and found increases and decreases in iq. this isnt saying what you think it does
what point are you trying to make?>
That the last 60 years have been a concerted effort to dumb down western nations, flood them with poor less intelligent groups of people, and create disorder to raign in with power, and that this has lead to a decrease in overall IQ for the country
"i think both of us can agree that somalia is not doing very good right now?"
No no, answer teh question dude. it is the focal point here... the a nswer is genetics are the reason they are the way they are...
"The Flynn Effect: IQ gains over time"
Yeah no, where are the 68IQ europeans dude? " google the flynn effect" isnt an answer.
"they literally are? from 1960 to the 2000s Average african IQs have increase by 12 points?"
Nice statistics bro, totally legit
"and you've got a point that migration would cause brain drain but according to your position they won't become smarter anyway right? thats literally what you are arguing for"
No, see you clearly arent grasping what im telling you so you. If you scoop out all the smart ones, teh rest will regress to teh mean. IE if you remove the 75 IQ pepole, leaving them no opportunity to produce offspring, will be replaced by those of lower IQ, thereby decreasing the overall group, and stagnating the group... You seem to think its fine i guess because you keep arguing that people should be allowed to enter my country even though there is no need for it...
"no you are wrong i am right, and i won't say why"
Because i have had endless arguments with people citing " socioeconomic issues" as why certain groups are failing. its a cop out. Studies that control foe " socioeconomic" factors STILL show differences in outcomes and im tired of making teh argument when the person im arguing with doesnt care
"anyway would a child who grows up in a fatherless home be more likely to be less successful than a child that grown up in a actual family?"
Its almost like there are multiple variables that are taken into account, and you just want to ignore the ONE that is tied to biology? Why are some groups so averse to raising their children?
"they're not?"
They are
"average incomes are worse, education levels are different and some groups tend to have more broken families that others"
Yeah its almost like some groups are different and claiming that everything other than teh group themselves is to blame is a " woke " position...
"And now you calling me disabled? excuse me?"
LOL when did i call you disabled? haha
"Indians make mistakes because they have a completely different language and they find it a bit difficult to get used to the grammar in the English language"
Sure, but then why are they imported by the thousands, staff 90% of all " phone tech support jobs" and run the tech industry if they are so terrible at english? Why are we giving them visas and high paying jobs if they cant speak the language?
"I can't imagine you won't make mistakes when you try to learn a new language
Yeah i cant imagine getting a faux tech degree, getting lined up with a cushy job, not bother to master the language of the country i benefit from, and when leave i go right back to my home country with all the extracted wealth and live much better than the natives of the country i worked in.... yeah no, zero sympathy or relatability there...
"seriosly read the source i've gave you. I am getting an impression you aren't listening to what i've said and you're rushing
Buddy, you gave me quotes to google... the study you are talking about is only one study, and was the source of both things you told me to look up other than the flynn effect,. and i went to the flynn effect wiki page for that... you arent making the argument you think you are...
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@iumasz6088
"Man youtube is out for blood, i've got to start changing keywords now"
Get used to it. it will only get worse as time goes on.
"There are differences but the data suggest that it isn't due to R and biology"
No, it really doesnt.
"If it was to do with R, and so to do with biology then why have we seen a drastic increase in IQ in only around 100 years"
Because certian groups of people developed the world around them very quickly. Thus changing the environment. You keep acting like environmental effects are different from race, but they are infact directly linked...
"Evolution does not work that fast"
What? why not? what do you mean it doesnt work that fast? have you ever looked into studies breeding foxes? You can see noticible differences in about half a dozen generations later
"which suggests that biology and so R aren't the factor and instead general human development is"
Uh, thats still environments having an effect on people over time, which still is racial, considering how that works
"Data suggests that average European IQ was more similar at one point to current A continent IQ
average current european IQ (100) - average IQ increase in europe since 1910 = 78"
Yeah no that sentence is horrid to try to read...
"during this time Europe seen unprecedented economical growth which caused a rise in living conditions and the quality of education. say what you want about modern education but it is generally better and more accessible than it was back in 1910"
Also, even this doesnt suggest what you are suggesting. if anything, education standards have fallen so far that im sure any further IQ testing is going to see it plateau.
"infact the rate of increase of IQ in is almost identical as to the rate of increase in Europe"
????
"and Africa is still in a developing state just like Europe was at one point, what is there to suggest that they won't follow the same trend that happened in Europe?"
so why did europe blossom and africa didnt change at all? you realize that they have also had decades to " advance"
and have stagnated...
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"so environment causes the differences but it does so by changing the biology?"
Yes, this is how it works in nature with every living thing on the planet. why you seem to think it wouldnt have the same effect on humans is beyond me.
"first of all that is selective breeding, artificial, it is significantly faster than random natural evolution as certain traits are artificially favoured"
So what? that example was just to illustrate demonstrable changes in a short time...
"secondly have those foxes started to behave any differently based on their genetic make up?"
Yes, they literally took wild foxes, bred the ones with positive temperaments to humans, and within less than a dozen generations they were almost domesticated. So to assume drastic noticeable changes cant happen on a short term scale you would be wrong.
"it is a lot easier to trigger a change in small physical areas like pigment and hair growth than it is to change the complex system of neurons."
What does that have to do with anything?
"is it not a true statement though?"
Probably not, but i cant say for sure because i cant tell what you are trying to say... hence the ESL comment earlier
"Also, even this doesnt suggest what you are suggesting. if anything, education standards have fallen so far that im sure any further IQ testing is going to see it plateau. "
"are you really saying education was better in the 1910s?"
No, but i would say that before 1910 most people were illiterate. My point in comparison to todays education is that education standards peaked decades ago and are now in freefall.... there are highschool graduates who " graduate" being barely literate in the US... clearly education has some issues..
"africa is growing, it is the second fastest growing economy in the world"
Im not watching a video, but im sure it doesnt say anything about the massive influx of chinese investment into africa, or the decades and decades of aid and help its gotten from the rest of the world, and we are supposed to pretend that NOW after all this time that they make some improvement, and you want me to accept that that were all the same... no
also, lets not pretend that africa did any of this itself, and south Africa is a hell on earth for whites
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"so what? because such an example is not applicable to humans, who aren't being selectively a certain way."
Bullsht. you cant just say that with zero supporting evidence or arguments. The entire point was to show drastic changes in short generational periods.
"ah yes this experiment, I've heard of it, though we've got to remember a few details about it before we come into conclusions:
first of all they started to show dog-like tame behavior in about 6-10 generations"
And so what? this illustrates drastic changes in a short time frame. If you want to pretend there are no selection criteria for human society today id argue you are mistaken
"The time frame human IQ increased from 1910 to 2000, is around 4-6 generations and in some like Asia IQ rose almost by 30 in one or two generations.
secondly keep in mind that this is selective breeding where only the ones with the desired characteristics can breed, in human population many different characteristics have a near equal chance of being inherited"
Yes, and you have those same selection pressures in human society. Sort of what social engineering is
"there may be some truth to this but i am not sure that it is that fast to explain the IQ increase entirely
It isnt. ITs illustrating how changes in environment can change IQ. it doesnt say were all the same and have the same potential.
"your theory now doesn't seem to be invalid but it does seem like education must have played an important role in this IQ increase as i don't think evolution could explain this alone."
It isnt. ITs illustrating how changes in environment can change IQ. it doesnt say were all the same and have the same potential.
"its got to do with a lot because our whole argument here is about biological changes in human though which are linked to the complex system of neurons called out nervous system.
And you are telling me you can just arbitrarily raise intelligence over 30 points just by going to school? no, not that much. IQ is not static, it is fluid, and changes constantly over time.
"Well this statement was about calculating European IQ in 1910, if there was an increase of 22 since 1910 and now it is a 100 this means that back in 1910 it was 78
100 - 22 = 78"
Right because thats how this works..
"since when would you say this started to happen? because from 1910 to like 1960 education would have improved and accessibility is a big factor in this
Well i would probably point to the turning point being after WW2, then everything changed as WW2 was the Foundational Myth. Around then the propaganda in schools really started to take off. and now we have essentially the beginnings of weimar germany in the US and most of europe
How do you recognize a foundation myth? It fulfills three functions.
1)It explains the origin and structure of the world (and society).
2)It defines ultimate good and evil (and from those definitions are derived the values that are used to justify the holding of power).
3)It determines what is held sacred in that society.
"For modern Westerners the story of WWII has become their foundation myth. It fulfills all three functions"
1) We live in the ‘Post-War World’. The lines on the map, the institutions, the sense of what era we live in, all arise from the starting point of WWII.
2) Ultimate evil is Notsees. Ultimate good is opposing Notsees. The values derived from these definitions are anti-racism, equality, diversity, anti-nationalism and so on.
3) The only thing that is held sacred, that cannot be denied or mocked in the contemporary West, is the Hall of cost
"that doesn't really reflect on the quality of education and just reflects on our falling standards which caused degrees to become almost worthless"
And in what magical universe is that not a reflection of the quality of education? LOL
also i am talking about Europe as my main example as the graph puts both Americas into one
If you are talking about the " our world in data" its an awful site and terrible to get information from
"i was meant to show you a article called by the same name"
I googled, and there was no article, only a video of a guy presumably reading what the article would have said...
"Investment is investment, I mean why is china so rich now? because from investment and outsourcing to china from the west"
Yeah the globalist machine both sends all the manufacturing jjbs overseas, while importing workerd to destroy the nation.. wow how wonderful. im SO glad china is now doing the same thing to africa...
"also Africa has been improving back then as well"
LOL also your source is garbage
"they suffer from corrupt governments, foreign aid doesn't really work, as it is often siphoned by corrupt governments for themselves
BS, the PEOPLE are the problem... never in my life have i encountered people who would light a man on fire inside a tire and beat him as he burns to
death, or kill bald people because theres gold in their heads, or that fcking babies cures aids... no, clearly there is a difference in peoples..
"what is happening in south Africa while horrible, isn't to do with our discussion about Africa's economy"
BS its not! The problems in SA are because of the rest of africa being africians..... you have no idea what you are talking about
"Also why have you not mentioned those studies and examples where other factors where accounted for?"
What exactly are you referring to?
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"sorry but how are selective pressures as powerful in humans as they have been in the example of foxes? do you know how selective breeding works right? you only take a small amount of foxes that have the best characteristics and only allow *them" to breed. In human society however even the weak can survive and can pass on their genes, their genes aren't completely eliminated from the gene-pool unlike in the selective breeding of Foxes.
So what you are saying is social engineers dont know what they are talking about? or social pressures from cooperate environments, education media propaganda, and government mandates dont have selective pressures on breeding? SO when you tell women to have children later, and to focus on careers, that doesnt have an effect on who breeds and when? Subsidizing poor families and giving financial benefits to single mothers isnt selecting who breeds more than others? You underestimate the power of artificial selection im humans
"Because of this selective breeding is faster than natural evolution. think about the diversity and amount of different domesticated animal breeds. such stark differences between members of the same species won't happen naturally. because it didn't happen naturally."
Because wild animals have less diversity and speciation? cmon now thats just silly
"Think about it. if one year of education raises IQ by about 1-5 points then what increase would getting a education do in the first place."
Yeah so that means you would have unlimited IQ and able to increase it forever? no, thats not how this works. You have fluid intelligence, changes from time to time, between a max and min, determined mostly by genetics
"say what you want about modern day wokeness, the nazis, their ideology and what they did where despicable. so they are right about that
Its like you cant grasp the problem.... the notsees were just a reaction to the same problems we are having now with teh same groups. making them the ultimate evil and basing all of post war history on said event is a poisoned origin tree and nothing good can ever come of it. Its almost like propaganda is a thing and maybe ww2 was lied about by the " winners"
" we fought the wrong enemy"
"If a school decreases their standards what the students are being taught and how they are taught stays the same, the only thing that changes is how able they've got to be to graduate which cause those who wouldn't graduate before to graduate. but the quality of what they is taught stays the same."
You have no idea what you are talking about. This makes no sense..... If they lower standards, you arent getting the same quality of education. stop being foolish and think
"explain how. why is it not valid? Also why are you only saying this now, i have been talking about this source and referencing it for the longest time"
First, because there is no useful information on the sight, just broad generalizations, and graphs.
Second, there is no mention of any intelligence vs ethnicity anywhere on the site, assuming they just didnt include it because it doesnt fit in with the rest of the site...
Third, i say this now only because i now know what you were referring to, as when i googled when you told me to i ended up with the source study...
"its got a description below the video>
No it didnt
"Also china isn't outsourcing jobs at their own detrement."
????
"infact how does Africa lose in this apart from being dependent on china?"
Because they will forever be linked to a nation that hates them and exploits them, while making them in debt like they have done to the US... this will make africa more chinese and less African
"china is rich because western industry was outsourced there, and now they are outsourcing their industry to Africa, Africa gets the jobs, not china. unless i've misunderstood your point."
Yeah clearly... you also missed what the chinese are actually doing in africa by a mile...
"same thing explain how"
See above
"you're telling me the Europeans weren't the same at one point? have you heard of some of the things that happened in the medieval times? some of the cures for the plague, superstitions, witchcraft? never heard of them?"
never in my life have i EVER read ANYTHING about euros that were as bad as the things africans are currently now doing to each other.
Also spoiler, didnt you JUST tell me that " evolution doesnt happen that quick" and that peoples shouldnt be able to change that quickly?
WHy did euros change so quickly but some other groups just cant seem to do so with even a head start?
"we are not talking about problems in south africa. we are taking about economy. Not social-political events"
So white hatred and discrimination on a massive scale isnt related because its a " socio-political" event? BS and you are a wanker for even suggesting it. Who do you think does all the farming? who do you think keeps south africa running? do you have any idea what you are talking about?
Pretending that it has nothing to do with africas economy is disingenuous at best
you said before:
Im not wasting my time sending you links that will just be deleted. If you have watched anything from carls sargon channel hes touched on it before. so have many other people at this point.
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"it does put selective pressure on them but not as extreme and specific as the Fox experiment"
Stop saying that just because they arent EXACTLY similar to the fox experiment that my point is somehow not valid. because it most definitely is..
"such a thing hasn't happened in the case of human"
It doesnt need to... the point was confirming large changes in small time periods. which is possible. stop nitpicking and avoiding the fact that i am right on this point that yes, noticeable changes can occur over short periods of time
"How many different breeds of canines and felines where there before humans started to selectively breed them? And how many are there now?"
Seems like a terrible point.. how man breeds of bird are there? did humans selectively breed birds too? what about how many different types of bears? did humans selectively breed them too? what about beetles? flies? bees? I would argue there is more diversity naturally occurring in nature than is created by human intervention
"no? once a person is educated they are educated"
No, thats not how " education" works
"there is a point where more time in school and education won't improve IQ because they have already learned all of the thinking skills they could have and have gotten a grasp at them."
ok? so why do some groups fail and others dont? why is there a disparity? Would this not imply a natural limit to intelligence? Does this not prove my fluid intelligence point?
"they are as much of a reaction to the same problem as much as the communists where a reaction to poor working conditions. They identified a problem, but propose bad solutions."
Europa the last battle... watch a history documentary they dont teach in school. You seem to have the cause and effect mixed up.
Group in power creates terrible conditions in the nation, then they push communistic thought into the public, ferment it, foster it, and wait for it to grow into a beast on its own. Then they fund any opposition, to create conflict. then when everything is at its lowest point, they can consolidate more power... Pretending the nazis and the commies are the same evil is entirely missing the point and reeks of propaganda post WW2
"not interested in tyrannical ideological snake oil. Does it involve me giving up my civil liberties? well that's the Deal breaker."
Again, you have no idea what you are talking about
"just because it has broad generalisaiton and graphs doesn't mean its useful? The graphs are supposed to mean something you know? they are graphical representation of physical numerical data. broad generalisations? thats the point, it is supposed to break down the data by continent."
Except that its useless data. Nothing on those graphs is helpful if you dont have any of the information there to use it with. its just some numbers on a graph.
"whether it is done by ethnicity or not doesn't matter"
because thats teh entire point im trying to talk about and there is no information on it... you know the US isnt mostly european right? so you could understand how using the numbers from teh entire country would be pretty suelss for any soert of discussion right?
"I think we can agree Europe is majority European and Africa is overwhelmingly majority African"
and you would be dead wrong and this was my point earlier Africa can stay African, but any European country must become divers or they are racist... You know what one of the most popular boys name in UK is now? fcking mohhamad
doesnt sound very European now does it?
"my rationalization was that the Chinese probably have enough jobs available to spare"
AHh yes, because we can trust anything out of china to be accurate. im sure they would never lie about things that would harm its national image
"but my main point was about it not being bad economically for africa"
yes, its bad economically for africa, but you cat seem to figure out why
"apart from that they do at least benefit economically, which was my point, economy"
JFC im so sick of economy economy economy... you understand a nation is more than a shopping mall right? you can grasp the idea that the almighty dollar and " the economy" arent the most precious things to consider when trying to grasp the world right? you understand that right?
"I am talking about in terms pure economical growth nothing else"
disgusting way to see the world and approach problems, and is pretty much why you arent getting what im trying to say top you
"never in my life have i EVER read ANYTHING about euros that were as bad as the things africans are currently now doing to each other."
"never heard of medieval torture methods? or medieval cures for the plague? you're missing out. look up hanging drawing and quartering, it is an punishment for treason. its pretty vile."
Yeah buddy, none of that holds a candle to the sht i see on liveleak and best gore coming out of these places... keep pretending that they are comparable until you see it for real... you have no idea what you are talking about, and it really shows here...
"around the 15th century. during the 15th century Europe started to engage in international trade"
And africa had not begun to do anything remotely close technologically...why are they different?
"Europe could do this trade because it was easy to facilitate boat transport, they have nice shallow shores and beaches where it is easy to launch and build ships from, Africa's shores often are more steep and the sea becomes deeper very quickly."
Absolute horse sht
example Cape town. africians had never bothered to even settle there, and until the dutch showed up, nothing was there. euros show up in Africa, and build a functioning civilization in less time than it takes to domesticate foxes, and you still say that?
"Also due to africa having lots of jungles, deserts and Savannahs, Not the best terrain to grow enough food to sustain large metropolitan populations which could start such trade and begin economical growth."
Again, BS. Why when european man comes along and suddenly its possible to farm ? unless some peoples are less developed than others... hmmmm i wonder...
"So white hatred and discrimination on a massive scale isnt related because its a " socio-political" event? BS and you are a wanker for even suggesting it. Who do you think does all the farming? who do you think keeps south africa running? do you have any idea what you are talking about?
Pretending that it has nothing to do with africas economy is disingenuous at best"
"I didn't want to go to deep into south africa as most of that shitshow is social-political"
LOL yeah because that means it has no effect on the economy for some reason
"I've though you would talk about the general treatment of whites there, which is mostly social-political"
Ahh yes, whites being deleted in their sleep for being white is " socio political issues" cmon dude
"But you are right. The treatment of the farmers and replacing them with incompetent people will harm the economy"
The fact that you care more about the economy of africa than the lives of white south africians is very telling to me.....
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"well I am telling you why it is not applicable because while noticeable changes can happen in a short period of time but humans don't fit the criteria for such a small change to happen in such a time. the selective pressures aren't extreme enough"
This is straight up BS with zero backing dude. cmon
"no. that's my point it took a long time for them to diversify naturally, dogs and cats diversified quickly due to selective breeding."
And the point i made about all the other divers animals that had very little contact with humans? totally dumps all over your point...
"because they haven't been educated"
eyeroll
"what is the conditions of schools in Africa? how many are in schools and for how long"
Again, what point does this make if they have had decades longer than euros do do anything? why is it that euros had to jump down and start educating afrtica? are they incapable of doing it themselves? We didnt have a massive education system, and euros still travelled the world... what is africas excuse?
"you are now going to tell me how wonderful the Nazi regime was? all this is going to do is likely discredit your other points."
Yeah or you could NOT put words in my mouth... but go off dude, you clearly think you know what you are talking about despite demonstrating that you clearly do not...
"Graphs are information? what do you want? for them to be spelled out in paper? you haven't said anything about the source maybe being misleading or taking things out of context. no just graphs are bad.???"
Buddy, its like you pick certain words i say, fixate on them, and ignore the rest... There is no sourcing, there is no supporting information, the page just states things, draws a line on a graph and you call that good?
"first of all i am using Europe as the example here, because it is more European and america, and considering Europe (as a whole) is still 95% European it is still appropriate to use it"
First off, you are wrong, and you are being replaced in the very country you claim is mostly European. "95%" bullsht. most popular name in the UK is muhhamad. that isnt a Europe name, you are full of sht. Europeans are set to be minorities everywhere they are majorities by 2050. stop pretending this isnt a dire issue that needs to be addressed...
"what kind of difference are the non-European populations that are almost exclusive to the western countries?"
The whole point is " europeans" are being drivin into minority status in their very own countries, and pointing this out is met with endless BS about fairness and economy...
"well they do lie, maybe they do that at their determent, maybe don't, but the focus in on about the effect it has on Africa, not china."
dude, cmon... you cant keep pretending this is good for africa...
"how so? jobs are coming in, money is coming in, it is a debt trap and a acknowledge that but in terms of pure economy it benefits them."
No, it doesnt. because Africans arent doing anything for africians, the chinese are basically doing what europeans did for decades, but this time its ok, because its not the whuite man? you REALLY think the chinese are letting africa benefit from any of this? then you clearly dont know how chinese treats non chinese let along hoe they treat eachother... again, youve never seen liveleak out of china.
"money isn't everything but"
What good is it to a nation in the pursuit of money, if it destroys the nation itself?
"well you're the one who wanted to talk about Africa stagnating"
africa stagnating has been a trend for africa for hundreds of years, and that is unironically my point..
"you never implied in which way though, so i started with economy? want to talk about Africa stagnating in other ways go ahead"
africa stagnated because of africains... this has been my point the whole time.
"alright, give some examples of brutality in africa and i will show examples of brutality on a equal level that happened in europe at one point. once again have you looked up being hanged, drawn and quartered?"
Yes, have you ever watched people machete someone apart? ever see someone stuff them in a tire, light them on fire, and beat them with sticks as the whole crowd watches? scalping bald people because they think theres gold in there? what about graping infants for STD cures? You are out of your depth. also, spoiler, africa is STILL DOING THESE THINGS REGULARLY... comparing them to what euros have done decades passed is disingenuous
"sorry not sure what you mean, what do you mean by this?"
WTF do you mean what do i mean? africians never made boats or facilitated in intercontinental trade, and you tell me its because the shores were bad and cape town is a prime example of why thats BS
"how is it, trade is important, hell have you noticed how Europe took off they minute they started trading and colonizing?"
So what you are saying, is some other group came to trade with europe from far away and helped them push forward? or euros did it themselves, and you are giving africa an excuse for reasons unknown to mw. the fact that they had yet to do many of the things most other peoples have done in the bronze age really drives home my point. you can pretend its lack of education, but that didnt stop the chinese or europeans from having massive empires hundreds of years before current day africa...
"they nether bothered to because to reach that spot you would have had to cross through deserts and mountains, seriously go on google maps and look around the area in cape town, to give perspective"
Again, BS, the entire east coast is a mass of green on google maps. you keep giving them excuses for lack of advancement for some reason...
"And of course they built a civilization because they brought everything with them. they didn't come there with nothing."
Yeah its crazy its almost like some groups of people advanced faster than others...
"in some areas like grasslands there was farming, but i am talking about areas where you can't do that, jungles, deserts and savannas, you can't grow shit there, an in those areas societies could progress, until Europeans came along and using their technology could change the environment like for example cutting down the jungle to create farm land."
See this is more excuses and baseless garbage. FFS most of european countries freeze for almost 6 months a year, you are just making excuses...
"even in areas where farming is possible, farming communities would be isolated because of how rough the terrain is, and also because they don't have things like horses"
they didnt have horses so that explains zero advancment as a species for hundreds of years
stop making excuses... africa is connected by land to places with horses. there have been horses in africa. you keep making lame excuses for africans not advancing like every other group on the planet
"Emphasis on MOST, the treatment of white farms and the laying of of competent white folks would effect the economy, but most of the other shits surrounding it won't
again, BS, you have zero idea whats going on there, and your au tistic focus on economy is making you incapable of objective views of other world. you only see the world through finance, banking and industry...
it is, social = because it do with how people interact and behave - political = because it is done and masterminded by politicians and political forces to enact a political agenda.
Yes, i dont grasp your need to not talk about anything other than economy for some strange reason... also you give too much credit to politicians
"you're the one that wanted to talk about the stagnation of Africa so i talk about stagnation in Africa"
No, you only talk of " the economy" in africa, you wont talk about ANYTHING else
"since you never specified that it is economical or moral stagnation, i went with the economical stagnation"
im illustrating its genetic stagnation. you keep making excuses for a people who have had longer to advance, than all other groups on the planet. you keep making excuses that they are uneducated while pretending that the other groups didnt educate themselves. you are sitting there telling me africa needs to be walked up the stairs of advancement, while no other group has needed to do this, and you cant see what im talking about because " economy"
"just because I initially didn't know how it can be tied to economy and so to the alleged stagnation in Africa, doesn't mean i don't care about what is happening"
No it means you have very little critical thinking skills and rely on what other poeple tell you to paint the picture of the world
"also you don't need to post links for those studies, just write their headings"
Im not wasting my time when you can easily look into it yourself, and the very youtuber we are commenting under has several videos on the exact topic that you can scroll youtube and start your own research. im not spoon feeding you. im just telling you to stop making excuses for peoples failings
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@iumasz6088 "my backing is that you don't see animals evolve that quickly in the wild, and that the selective pressures are not that extreme"
None of that actually matters to the point im making. Also, hundreds and hundreds of years, and every other group went through drastic " extreme" changes, except some didnt. My conclusion is related to genetics
"are dumb humans being eliminated from the gene pool completely? answer this question yes or now?"
No, they arent, they usually breed more than smarter ones, but i fail to see why this is relevant
"What you need to look for is a example of an animals evolving as quickly without human intervention and artificial selective pressures, all of those animals took thousands to tens of thousands of years to evolve or more, not in less than 100 years"
And yet the example of humans themselves undergoing such drastic changes in multiple human populations across the globe over a few hundreds years? I mean thats the point im making here.
"this can be explained by the justification on why Europe raced ahead while others where slowly developing"
Um no that doesnt explain anything..... You know it wasnt just europeans who travelled the world right?
"well you are implying that the belief that the nazis where the true evil and that the hella (of) cost did happen where negetive and maybe even wrong, though if i have misread you then i apologise for that, if that is not what you think"
Well this sentence tells me when i spoke of the "foundation myth" I had apparently not had any context to illustrate its point.
"The problem is that all three functions are backwards or negative.
Instead of the origin event being one of fertility and new life, it was a conflagration of death and destruction.
Instead of ultimate good taking the central position in the story that slot is occupied by ultimate evil. Everyone knows that A.H, the personification of evil, holds the centre point of the WWII story.
Instead of that which is held sacred being something mysterious and sublime it (the H) is an obscenity.
Having a negative foundation myth means the tree of life for Westerners is poisoned."
"they literally cite citations from other sources in the website, at the bottom of the page and the bottom of the graphs? do you even see it?"
The citations are all for ONE study "Pietschnig, Jakob, and Martin Voracek. “One Century of Global IQ Gains: A Formal Meta-Analysis of the Flynn Effect (1909-2010)."
And the rest of the citations are also based off of this one. and i cant read it. the link doesnt send me to where i can actually read any of the information. Just sticking a link on the bottom of a page isnt exactly helpful if its stuck behind a paywall...
" europe as a whole, everything east of the oder river is nearly 100% white. Poland, almost completely white, Hungary , almost completely white, Romania , almost completely white, Finland , almost completely white, European Russia? , almost completely white. I ain't talking just about the west"
Im talking globally. you listed poland (96.7) romania (93) finland (~98) and hungary (~89)
what about France? barred from actually taking ethnic demographic data( apparently lots of euro countries dont count this information for some reason), estimates 85% in 2010, and estimates of 60% today
Denmark is closing in on 80
germany is down to 90
britian 2016 is down to almost 80
sweden? " A 2018 study concluded that in Sweden by "2065, the share of the native population is [set] to decrease to 49%, the Western population is projected to fall to 63%"
And the united states is the worst. 90% to less than 65% in less than 60 years, and projected to be lower in another decade And thats not even getting into the migrant crisis and the mass illegal immigration... CLEARLY there is a problem
also Muhammad isnt a european name dude
"It ain't and its gonna backfire eventually"
So wtf are you supporting it for?
"but in terms of economy it will atleast benefit them in that way, which is my point"
your point is terrible.
"No, it doesnt. because Africans arent doing anything for africians, the chinese are basically doing what europeans did for decades, but this time its ok, because its not the whuite man? you REALLY think the chinese are letting africa benefit from any of this? then you clearly dont know how chinese treats non chinese let along hoe they treat eachother... again, youve never seen liveleak out of china. "
"sorry, if it doesn't have any benefit whatsoever to African countries then why are they agreeing? they are selling their countries out, yes but they are going to get something out of it at least"
really? like, really? the politicians and rich of the nation sell out their fellow countrymen for profiut and you sit there and " but its goodf for muh economy"
"Are you actually listening to what i am saying? or are you just deliberately misinterpreting my point?"
No dude, your point is terrible, and " its good for the economy" isnt exactly a selling point for selling out your nation to foreigners
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"machated someone apart?"
Yes, they tie someone up, and turn them into a lego man with fully detachable limbs with a machete, while they are alive.
Once again, the process of hanging drawing and quartering"
Yeah, no, again, comparing teh above to hanging isnt even close. drawn and quartertd? i mean im sure you could find better medievil turtore devices. also, africians do this today as opposed to google telling me the last time somwo was drawn and queated was in 1782, and im pretty sure the videos ive seen were from the last 15 years or so
"burning people on stakes, often witches and heretics, they where also witnessed by crowds"
Again, google tells me the last to be burned for heracy was 1612, and its a little different than burning somoene in a tire while a crowd chases adn beats them...
"not sure if i can find a similar example"
pretty sure you cant, or at the very least they would be examples from 300+ years ago
but during the (H) people where killed due to guilt by association"
mm yea sure everything you learned about WW2 is totally legit and was never propagandized by " winners"
they had any gold or silver teeth removed"
es, removing visible precious metals is totally simmilar to bald person superstitions... i know its not really a good example but there was really no point in even comparing it
"they did cut their hair so it could be used for production"
LOL yeah and they made soap and lampshades too right? cmon man
what about graping infants for STD cures" once again i can't find one that is too similar but you had the catholic church doing what they do to young small boys excused by some religous reasons.
lso have you ever heard of the blood eagle?
m going to assume you knoew what i ment by " graping". also "There is debate about whether the blood eagle was historically practiced, or whether it was a literary device invented by the authors who transcribed the sagas" comparing the two is a stretch of a stretch adn im actually offended by you comparing something that may or may not have been an execution method from 1020, to something africians do in the current day...
My point is, just like what europeans have done in the past, they can move on from that, Africa is still an underdeveloped, uneducated, often lawless place."
And MY point THIS WHOLE TIME is WHY are they STILL like that? Euros changed in just a few hundred years, much like most of the world, but SOME groups just didnt. soem groups, even with ENDLESS HELP FOR LITERAL DECADES, cannot sustain a functioning civilization... You keep making excuses. Maybe, JUST maybe, its THE POEPLE who are the problem NOT the location or the time.
they've made boats, but no where near the scale of europeans"
why not, they have had plenty of time, and more than tolerable environments.
"cape town to get where the south African population was, you had to cross desert and mountains"
Cmon dude, its clearly not impassible, and most of europe is full of mountians, just from looking at topographical google
"So what you are saying, is some other group came to trade with europe from far away and helped them push forward? or euros did it themselves, and you are giving africa an excuse for reasons unknown to mw. the fact that they had yet to do many of the things most other peoples have done in the bronze age really drives home my point. you can pretend its lack of education, but that didnt stop the chinese or europeans from having massive empires hundreds of years before current day africa... "
"education didn't stop them then, environment did"
????
"China and both Europe for example both have nice fertile terrain covering most of their civilizations, Africa only had a select few areas and other differences like those select few areas being isolated by hard to traverse terrain like deserts"
Garbage bllsht excuses again dude. half of the continent is green, so im going to assume they can farm, also, reminder, most of europe freezes
"well Europeans could farm, the Africans living in jungles and deserts couldn't no matter what time of year it was."
Excuses..
"but also the only places that receive substantial contact with other places in the world are west and east Africa"
Ok, so why arent they progressing like anyone else?
"yes, not having a reliable quick way to travel does have a big impact especially in the context of spreading ideas and technology"
"Google, what transportation animals can be used in africa"
"Horses, donkeys, camels and cattle have been used for riding and pack transport in parts of sub-Saharan Africa for centuries, if not millennia"
So it sounds like more excuses
"I know about the white farmers but if you have any thing else to add to this then go ahead"
Rampant discrimination of whites in most of south africa, brutal attacks that im sure you wouldnt like to see... (graped, cut, lit on fire, drilled into with power tools etc)
"I can see the world through multiple facets, i just wanted to look at the apparent stagnation in terms of economy first as it is easy to find out quantitative data about it than more anecdotal examples, which may not be that appropriate to use in the assessment of development of a whole continent."
"economy" isnt a multifaceted view of anyting. secondly, " look at the apparent stagnation in terms of economy"? not gonna get you a very useful picture
"im illustrating its genetic stagnation."
you keep making excuses for a people who have had longer to advance, than all other groups on the planet. you keep making excuses that they are uneducated while pretending that the other groups didnt educate themselves. you are sitting there telling me africa needs to be walked up the stairs of advancement, while no other group has needed to do this, and you cant see what im talking about because " economy""
"I have shown you evidence that shows that Africa is growing in terms of economy thats my evidence to refute your claim that they aren't or they need help, foreign aid alone can't do that,especially as a lot of that gets siphoned by corrupt governments."
You have given me nothing that would refute what i said about the problems stemming from genetics and iq. You state that because there is improvement, what i say isnt true. but on the contrary, the fact that they are taking hundreds of years longer to progress alludes to MY point as everything you keep bringing up about reason for africas stagnation are also true in most populations
"how does that have to do with me "rely[ing] on what other poeple tell [me] to paint the picture of the world"?
Mostly because you rely on other peoples information to construct your worldview. Garbage data in garbage data out.
"so wait, you are demanding me to back up my claims yet you yourself refuse to do so? hmm."
No not really, you gave me a source, and im telling you it wasnt a very good one, i explained why. Do you know why its hard for me to deal with " sources" is because its getting harder and harder to find relevant information through search engines. i can spend hours and hours searching for specific studies because google will push a narrative. I even went to the pastebins i found hosting pages of study links, but its been There are studies comparing b and w children raised in opposite homes, twin studies, rich v poor in racial context etc. There isnt " one " source, its years of reading into topics and using said information to help paint the worldview i have. i know " using others to shape your worldview" but in the case of " our world in data" you just looked at that and took it at face value. Im not even getting into the topic of massive fraud and corruption at the highest levels of academia.
"even then could you at least give a a direction or a clue where too look?"
IDK i struggle to even find sources i used only a few years ago. Looking up anything truthful is getting hard and harder to do by the day
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because my argument is that genetics factors, while existent, are very minor and are mostly environmental
You realize, that my point is that environment ( geographic or otherwise) leads to genetic changes means that you are trying to argue against a point im not making, or you are making my point without realizing it
"it does matter because it shows that evolution happens a lot more slowly that you think it does, seriously give an example of an animal changing behavior in 2 to 6 generations that is done naturally."
Why do i have to do that? that has nothing to do with my point. You think the factors being used / that effect in human populations are strictly natural? because thats what it sounds like, and that would be wrong
"this is relevant because you are trying to use a example where they use selective breeding, a process which entails removing the individuals who don't have the desired charactersitics (extreme selective pressure) and compare it to humans where this doesn't happen (significantly less selective pressure)"
What are you talking about? there is TONS of selective pressures in human populations. Pretty sure i even talked about them. Secondly the example i used was only used to illustrate drastic changes can and do occur. i never stated that they were strictly natural.
"And yet the example of humans themselves undergoing such drastic changes in multiple human populations across the globe over a few hundreds years? I mean thats the point im making here."
"yeah and my point is to show you that it cannot be genetic because genetic features can't change so quickly."
What are you talking about " genetic features cant change so quickly" i just illustrated it can. Euros did it, the chinese did it, we talked about this. Its like you arent following anything in this conversation
"The citations are all for ONE study "Pietschnig, Jakob, and Martin Voracek. “One Century of Global IQ Gains: A Formal Meta-Analysis of the Flynn Effect (1909-2010)."
And the rest of the citations are also based off of this one. and i cant read it. the link doesnt send me to where i can actually read any of the information. Just sticking a link on the bottom of a page isnt exactly helpful if its stuck behind a paywall...
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"it being behind a paywall is unfortunate, but why would you want to discard this information completely?"
Because it means i cant even look at the data at all... its basically useless as a source
"it is about the apparent Flynn effect, which there is more about and shows IQ increases in every continent, there doesn't seem to be a reason to believe this is misleading or missed out something."
Ugh, there were studies in the flynn effect that suggest that its not always constant and not always increasing. they talk about it in the first paragraph of the wikipedia page
"European demographics you used ethnic nationals not racial demographics"
Sure, mostly because its hard to get that data in most of those countries. furthermore you have YET to address " muhhamad" being the most popular boys name in the UK... thats not a european name
"I never said i support it or think it is a good idea by the way"
Yes, yes you did, you did so on the basis of " good for the economy" i dont know why you think that isnt "support" or "a good idea"
"for centuries, horses where only used in the recent few centuries because then they bred horses that where immune to the disease
anyway back to the genetic factors"
Uhh sure
>debunks you claim with google search
>moves goalpost
"I can understand that, but even then could you remember to details of some of them or did you forget?
the " details" were illustrating that even controlling for socioeconomic factors, there are still differences on racial/ethic lines.
also because of my curiosity i decided to put into goggle
"studies showing differences in intelligence in ethnic groups accounted for environmental factors"
I found an archive ink that ill post if i can get it to stay up, im not gonna go through the list because most will need to be archive searched anyway
"are you saying the information is wrong?"
Im saying its functionally useless because there is nothing i can look into. its paywalled and vauge
combine that with the fact that they are supporting the UN sustainable agenda garbage just points me to assume ill intent
"i am aware such topics are taboo but if they where why are these studies being made?"
This sentence doesnt make sense
"genetic mutations are more likely to be negative, as the nervous system is incredibly complex and random changes are more likely to be detrimental especially as thousands of genes can all influence one facet of intelligence. and since down grades would be quickly select away this means changes in intelligence are slow"
How does this in any way counter my points?
"why would one group in one environment evolve intelligence and one won't, why would there be differences? intelligence can help in every environment meaning the same selective pressures would be applied, being smart would help in every environment whether it be the forests of Europe of the jungles of Africa"
Um, maybe it has something to do with the people not just the environment? sort of like what ive been saying the whole time? But in any case, my understanding is euros had harsher environments in a way that fostered planning (IE winter means less food, so stock up before winter) would establish concepts of future events, the concept of linear time, and other abstract concepts that did not have those specific selective pressures in africa.. Or the selective pressure sin africa didnt do the jobs they were supposed to do? or perhaps, some groups of people are further back in an evolutionary standpoint
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"yes, and i have provide reason to believe that environmental changes wouldn't cause genetic changes in such periods of time, such as, animals not evolving so quickly naturally without extreme selective pressures such as selective breeding."
No, you havent actually done that, unless you are saying that the rapid dhanges in other groups of people was withotu extreme selective pressure
"you've got to do that because you've got to show that this sort of rapid evolution is possible, which doesn't seem to be"
Then why did europeans and chinese both do the thing you say is impossible?
"we did, and i've stated how come they are no where near as extreme as your fox experiment example, these selective pressures are pretty minimal and would theses selective pressures make it so people in Africa intelligence wouldn't be as selected forth as much as in Europe or Asia?"
Firstly there are more than one selctive pressure, there are thousands, and they are far morepressuring than you think they are. not gonna go over them again." would theses selective pressures make it so people in Africa intelligence wouldn't be as selected forth as much as in Europe or Asia?" i mean i struggled comprehending the sentence, as im positive english is not your primary language, but im assuming you are asking why intelligence wasnt selected in africa while asia and europe were different, and that would rely to the answer at teh end of my previous post.
"Can, and do occur doesn't mean they happened in this example"
Ok, but you keep stating "impossible"
"sorry if i am mistaken but you seem to be using circular logic:
"why are euros smarter than africans?"
"because of genetics"
"and how do we know genetics influence their inteligence?
"because euros are smarter than africans"
Not even close, and the fact you type this out is confusing to me. Why? this isnt what i was arguing at all. This is just demonstrating you arent graspign what im tellign you, and it may have to do with language barriers...
""and how do we know genetics influence their inteligence""
because we can see genetic patterns in groups along all lines of physical and psycolotical measurments. you keep pretening tat we are some blank slate at birth, and education adn environment are the only important factors of a group advancing.
"If you want to prove this you've got to get a piece of evidence that isn't in this loop"
Your loop doesnt work, see above, and the fox expirement? I SAID 6 genrations, but i was wrong, it was more. about 12 or 13, and it STILL isnt a long period of time then i looked up the expiremtn and it was more. This is still not a long peroid of time, and human populations have been seperate adn constantly evonvling for hundreds adn hundreds of years before intercontinental travel was commonplace.
"where are you getting this? Because on the wikipedia page it seems says the opposite"
Sorry it was the THIRD paragraph, guess i bunched the three paragraphs into a single paragraph befor ethe table of contents
"There are numerous proposed explanations of the Flynn effect, as well as some skepticism about its implications. Similar improvements have been reported for semantic and episodic memory.[3] Research suggests that there is an ongoing reversed Flynn effect, i.e. a decline in IQ scores, in Norway, Denmark, Australia, Britain, the Netherlands, Sweden, Finland, France and German-speaking countries,[4] a development which appears to have started in the 1990s"
>debunks you claim with google search
>moves goalpost
when did i move the goalpost?
You said they couldnt have travveled or done much advancment without horses because of lack of ease of transportation, but i just googled and its stated they has other animals as well, and that your point would have been made moot. Pretty sure i copy pasted something out of order
"but the increase in IQ in the last 100 years is documented in other sources as well. so even if this source is lackluster there are many others that show the same thing, that IQ has increased substantially over the last 100 years"
Right, but this is really sort of a meaningless point, mostly because that third paragraph points out that this is probably not a constant, and depends on other factors. Might lead to a conclusion that all human population shave max and min possible " iq" or however you would like to measure intelligence in any manner of speaking, and that it is possible to raise your level closer to the maximum. I would point to " the flynn effect" to me more related to the mass transfoer of information, and ease of research and selective pressures of decades passed.
"isn't your whole point that genetic factors are mostly responsible for the changes in intelligence"
Yea mostly
"well i have info that shows that IQ has increased substantially over the last 100 years and this I've made point suggests that genetic changes can't happen quickly"
Well with spoiler, you can have up to 5 or 6 human generations in that time frame
"very nature of mutations"
Yeah i dont know why you are talking about mutations.... im not suggesting increased intelligence is a mutation... thats on you
"so genetic factors can't have been the thing that caused that increase of IQ"
You cant state that
"nurture factors like environment and upbringing and education are more likely the answer"
Ok so if we are gonna argue nature v nurture you can, you would still be wrong, and again missing the part where " environment" not just upbringings, who you know, your local life, but the wilderness, weather, and animal life affect you, and these selection pressures can create genetic shifts over time that have nothing to do with random mutations...
"to say Africa less harsh that Europe is a little far. one continent is green, is very wet and has very little hard to inhabit terrain like deserts and jungles, just a few mountain regions and harsh cold only on the northern side of the continent, almost all of Africa is very hot with the southern areas being the coolest, but still hot, quite dry and have quite a large amount of hard to inhabit terrain like jungles deserts and savannas with a few mountains as well."
OK, so EVEN when you demonstrably have functional land in africa which may or may not be larger than all of europe, WHY massive civilizations and cultures that europe had? why? they were there for many more years than euros. why? you keep making excuses. If the land was harsh, they should have evolved. they didnt. the land doesnt freeze, there are few horrid storms, and irrigation isnt impossible, and was used in Egypt thousands of years ago. why not africans?
"They are at least, equally as harsh, one too cold, ones too hot, and all of Africa is pretty hot, places in Europe, in southern Europe like Italy and Greece don't get as cold during winter like Britain or Germany, in fact it is no coincidence that Italy and Greece gave birth to the most advanced European civilizations at their time, Rome and ancient Greece"
Right, and northern africa, and southern afirca both have more temperate zones, yet there is no advanced civilizations there until foreigners came... why?
"I see where you are getting at but planning ahead would be as equals useful to the Africans as it was for the Europeans"
Why? there isnt a long period in the year where gathering food is drastically harder to do
"even in hunter gather communities planning ahead would be a useful skill, knowing when to hunt and how often, hell even with hunting you need to know knowledge of seasons, as in different seasons animals behave differently and move to different areas, being able to know where these animals are at any given season and which one is the best for hunting would be beneficial, just as in farming communities knowing when winter arrives"
and yet africians had not done the very things others have done... why?
"what selective pressures do you have in mind? why would they be different? intelligence is useful in every environment, as it could be used to solve problems and help adapt to the environments more"
I have no idea. you make a case that africians should have made advancements just like other groups why have they not? " education" and " economy" arent going to give you an answer
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"my whole point is be saying they did does things not because their genes changes so quickly but because of differences in environments and their environment being a lot easier to establish successful civilizations in"
Except this isnt the case and we established that both regios had environmental pressures that should have led to advancment, yet it didnt
And again, genetic differences are crafted by environment. you keep using them like they have no relation...
"there are thousands but i fail to see how they would cause the difference in IQ between the groups especially as these selective pressures would cause things other than intelligence , so you could elaborate how they explain the difference"
Explain what difference? i dont even know what you are asking. You are asking how selective pressures can effect intelligence? The same way environmental pressures would?
"I am not denying that selective pressures exist or that they could have an impact but i don't see how they could explain such differences in IQs and them increasing that quickly, as since those selective pressures select different features not just intelligence their impact of intelligence itself may be smaller than you think."
OK so why did some groups do the very thing you keep saying didnt happen? rapid advancement in civilization in a short time period.
"once again how would these selective pressures would justify the differences in IQ, i also was meant to say "would theses selective pressures make it so people in Africa's intelligence wouldn't be as selected forth as much as in Europe or Asia?"
You are asking me to explain something no one even fully understands? IDK what pressures would push for intelligence. im just stating that for some reason most groups can deal with that and already have. but some dont. you say its environment, i say its genetic, you argue, i point out that genetic changes are a result of both previous actions of the genes in question and environmental pressures from the natural and unnatural world.
just because i've made a mistake doesn't mean i am a foreigner. people make mistake when they write extensive pieces of writing and don't proof read."
Ok cool, so where are you from/what is your primary language?
"Ok, but you keep stating "impossible" "
"Such rapid genetic change that affects intelligence where there are not extreme selective pressures present in selective breeding
First off, yo are fundamentally wrong. rapid changes DID happen, ive explained this to yo. You keep citing " the flynn effect" and in the third paragraphs of the article gives contrary evidence to the claim you make about it.
"impossible in the example of human IQ increasing, but in other examples such as selective breeding, they are possible."
except i gave yo historical examples of intelligence increasing. Some groups were traveling the world, while others havent even mastered watercrafts or the wheel. YOU keep saying its an education or economy or environmental reason./ Im pointing out that the simplest explanation " some groups are more advanced on a linear development timeline than others"
what is it that you are telling me?"
That your " circular logic" bit made no sense, and demonstrates a lack of understanding of what im trying to talk about... thats what i said when i responded the first ime. why are you asking me again?
"What we where discussing was an explanation on how Africans are not as developed as Europeans and your reasoning for is are mainly genetic while mine are mainly environmental and one of the arguments to prove they are genetic was to show that Africans are not as developed as Europeans or the Chinese, which is what we are trying to give reasons for why."
I already did. you keep not grasping it isnt me not telling yo, its you not getting what im saying. I ask YOU why they are different, you state environmental reasons. i spend hours trying to show you that genetics ties in directly yo the question you are seeking to have answered, and that environment can effect genetics. you keep sayin no thats not true and cant happen like i said. yet there is NO other explanation that explains why africians are so far behind. unless they were genetically different, and that is a primary driver of the different. if it wasnt, why arent there groups growing and thriving in africa before euros showed up? why? its certainly not the environment because others can deal with it just fine. so it must be the people. you disagree and have nothing to explain how it wouldn't be other than suggesting that education and environment are the causes. but if that were the case why are they not advancing like euros did? why? maybe because they are genetically different and genetic differences ACTUALLY matter in the real world...
"because we can see genetic patterns in groups along all lines of physical and psycolotical measurments. you keep pretening tat we are some blank slate at birth, and education adn environment are the only important factors of a group advancing.
"my argument isn't that we are a 100% blank slate. genes definitely affect things like intelligence, among individuals not necessarily R"
Well you would be wrong
"genetic diversity is 6x more than genetic diversity among races,and those "psycolotical measurments" we've got to establish whether or not they are from the genetic patterns or is it a case of correlation not being the causation. this is the whole point of this discussion."
Again, your english makes this difficult. You can pretend there arent differences that line up on racial lines, btu you would in fact be wrong on all counts
"Your loop doesnt work, see above, and the fox expirement? I SAID 6 genrations, but i was wrong, it was more. about 12 or 13, and it STILL isnt a long period of time then i looked up the expiremtn and it was more. This is still not a long peroid of time, and human populations have been seperate adn constantly evonvling for hundreds adn hundreds of years before intercontinental travel was commonplace.
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"13 generations, you know how much that is in human generations? 260-390 years, (13x20 - 13x30)"
Yeah except humans can and did breed long before 20 years old in years passed. Lowest was around 16 so at that point that would mean 208 years for 13 generations.
and even so, 300 years isnt that long of a period of time if we are being completely honest. humans in their current form have existed for thousands of years..
"and also lets not forget that this conversation is about IQ, if it takes that long to change intelligence, even under extreme selective pressures, then why did we see a jump in substantial jump in IQ in less than 100 years?"
Im saying that some groups are further along than others, and that is why some groups advanced seemingly rapidly while others didnt...
"Clearly genetic changes that affect intelligence are not the cause of this jump,"
Clearly you cant prove that so good job
"which suggests a significantly more important role of nurture factors."
No, it doesnt, and if it did how? and If that WAS the case, why are they still struggling? why are there still massive gaps? again, because my theory is that they are simply humans on a different space in the evolution continuum on a scale much larger than we think
"apology accepted. everyone makes mistakes."
Uh huh and yet they completely contradict what you have been saying this whole time
"what about before then? we are talking about results taken form the early 20th century being compared"
and you are the one telling me that the flynn effect is the constant rising of intelligence, then these studies in the very first three paragraphs of the Wikipedia article say the exact opposite. AGAIN, its almost like different groups are genetically different leading to differences of outcomes , regardless where they are environmentally.
"fair enough, there still was transportation and i am aware of that but horses are by fare the most effective method, hence why they where used so extensively by europeans, almost every role those animals could do a horse could do better, apart from camels with traveling deserts."
First off you are straight up talking out your @**, camels, more well adapt to the climate, and able to carry more weight than the horse were used by those in the middle east and have very similar conditions in africa, and you claim that hot having horses was a detriment? how? you have no clue what you are talking about and are still just making excuses
"Right, but this is really sort of a meaningless point, mostly because that third paragraph points out that this is probably not a constant, and depends on other factors. Might lead to a conclusion that all human population shave max and min possible " iq" or however you would like to measure intelligence in any manner of speaking, and that it is possible to raise your level closer to the maximum. I would point to " the flynn effect" to me more related to the mass transfoer of information, and ease of research and selective pressures of decades passed
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"its says that there is skepticism about its implications, not whether or not the Flynn effect actually happened."
What? the third paragraph stated they had studies detailing a decrease, which is contradictory to the flynn effect. My explanation above makes far more sense
"are you saying that there is a predefined limit but now we can reach it?"
Yes,. there is a predetermined max and min value for how smart someone can be. just like there is a min max of how tall you will be or ho/what you look like when working out and building muscles. some people are born never going to be able to look like a bodybuilder, no matter how much they work, but they can still increase muscle mass and strength. Someone who is on the low end of intelligence, can work had, study, learn, and increase his intelligence, but he will never approach the levels of dawkins or Einstein
"you've said "to me more related to the mass transfoer of information, and ease of research" those are environmental factor right there"
Yes, and yet with these factors in place over a hundred years ago, why is africa not advancing like every other group? gonna keep circling back to that, because every excuse seems to disappear when examined under scrutiny
"infact thats what i am arguing, that it increased access and availability of education, information, and people in africa don't have this level of mass transfer and ease of research because they don't have the facilities
Again with the damn excuses, hundreds and hundreds of years, and no real measurable levels of advancement until the euros showed up... ffs, they were bronze aged people in a technological age when the EUROS showed up...and STILL have yet to meet the standards of other groups from centuries passed.
"because they didn't develop due to their harsher environment where it was more difficult to make the technological and developmental advances."
again, BS, how and why? you make excuses for africians, while middle easterners live in similar environments...
"selective pressures of decades passed."
"what sort of selective pressures could have affected their IQ specifically? and why would these selective pressures be different from the ones applied to europeans?"
"effect IQ specifically" yeah i dont think thats how this works. Its not a pressure specifically targeting IQ, but targeting an action, or a response that facilitates a change. IE you would be hard pressed to single out any factor that exclusively increases intelligence.
"do you know what evolution is based on? random mutations, no random mutations, no evolution, no changes in genes that could change intelligence."
Oh ok i guess the environment has zero effect now? I fail to see how a group of people being forced to change their behavior or risk starvation is " mutation"
"that's the conclusion I've arrived"
Ok, but saying it doesnt make it true
"genetic factors may play a small part but they cannot be the main reason as large changes in genome that affect intelligence cannot happen in such a short time in such circumstance."
again, no proof in this statment whatsoever. stating thigns doesnt make them true
"wait nothing to do with random mutations? do you know how genetic shifts occur in the first place?"
Literally any other factor? like wtf are you talking about? you understand what adaptation is right? and not everything is "random mutations" right? like you can fully understand that its not one single factor determines X right? otherwise this is kinda pointless to discuss
"OK, so EVEN when you demonstrably have functional land in africa which may or may not be larger than all of europe, WHY massive civilizations and cultures that europe had? why? they were there for many more years than euros. why? you keep making excuses. If the land was harsh, they should have evolved. they didnt. the land doesnt freeze, there are few horrid storms, and irrigation isnt impossible, and was used in Egypt thousands of years ago. why not africans?"
"trade and that those functional pieces of land where isolated from the rest of the world for a long time until the middle ages. and trade and contact are important in the the exchange of information."
what the hell are you talking about? like this is just pulled out of your @ss... none of t his has any standing because we discussed how everything you bring up is a non factor, and is mostly false at face value
"Right, and northern africa, and southern afirca both have more temperate zones, yet there is no advanced civilizations there until foreigners came... why?"
"northern Africans aren't "black" so they don't count, and the southern tip of africa was never settled for the reasons i've said about cape town.
LOL ok so northern africa is middle eastern environment, centeral africa is similar to areas in brazil and south America, which both had civilizations far surpassing afircas, anc your cape town excuse is BS " there were mountains and stuff so they couldnt possible get there" BS travelling along the costs on either side of cape town will get you there, many are able to subsistence farm, so thats pretty low score for your excuses...
"you where talking about planning ahead a month or two differences doesn't mean that Africans wouldn't evolve this ability to understand such abstract concept"
Bro what are you talking about " the facilitation of the abstract thought of future planning would exist without the environmental pressure of advanced planning?"
you know, i cant remember where or how i found it, but there was either a book or a long article written by somoene who spent years working with africians, and found many had no language/linguistic terms for the concept of the passage of time, or other concepts. id look it up and tell you more, but ill be hard pressed to find it. Meaning that if a culture of people never developed ideas or concepts, that they would stagnate
"and yet africians had not done the very things others have done... why?"
"think about the other stuff I've said, the difficulty to trade, difficulty of travel, the general isolation of the continent for a long period of time before the middle ages, all these things means ideas haven't spread, while there are areas where agriculture can flourish"
and i debunked literally every single " point" you made as also being present in many other peoples histories... why do you keep acting like that meant nothing?
"those communities would have been isolated for a long time when European civilizations where progressing ahead, learning from other civilization by the ideas that where spread around."
And yet every other group on the planet, all with very similar disadvantages had seemed to all progress passed the state africa is still at.
"I have no idea. you make a case that africians should have made advancements just like other groups why have they not? " education" and " economy" arent going to give you an answer"
"Environment meaning that their communities would have been isolated from one another which would impact the spread of technology and so development"
and im telling you this is BS. ive already established to you that these people arent like a lost amazonian tribe with no contact with any otehr group for thousands of years
"Since IQ increases happened to quickly for genetics to be the primary factor"
you cant even assume this...
If what you were telling me is true, africa should be far far far further developmentally than it is now. but it isnt. its still stagnating. nothing you have said offers ANY explanation
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I know you want to cut this short, but you could at least answer one question you seem to keep avoiding answering. What is your primary language?
"I will focus on the crux of your argument as you seem to be circling back to this point that is that genetic differences that explain this difference in development, which also is the evidence for the genetic differences."
What the hell are you even trying to say "genetic differences that explain this difference in development, which also is the evidence for the genetic differences"
my argument
Groups are different
genetic difference exist
these differences are a combination of nature and nurture
some groups advanced, others stagnated
all these things that are observable
from an evolutionary standpoint my argument is different groups of people are at different stages of human development on a millions of years style scale
where am i claiming "genetic differences that explain this difference in development, which also is the evidence for the genetic differences"
"You are too focused on the "what" , not the "how" or the "why " or "could"
the " why" is that we are different. you want me to explain it, IDK why that is the case, but it is.
"Yes, there results are there, one group is more advanced than one but you are not thinking about why and how or whether or not "could" that happened.
"WHY, would one group not become intelligent, and one would? WHY? intelligence is useful in every environment, Africa or Europe or Asia, even if selective pressures could affect intelligence would there be a difference in selective pressures, with intelligence not being favored as much in Africa for some reason?"
Thats the question i was asking you, the only answer I have is that we are different.
"You are asking me to explain something no one even fully understands? IDK what pressures would push for intelligence. im just stating that for some reason most groups can deal with that and already have. but some dont. you say its environment, i say its genetic, you argue, i point out that genetic changes are a result of both previous actions of the genes in question and environmental pressures from the natural and unnatural world. "
"you don't even know what pressures could explain this difference, why are you assuming there must be one because of the "WHAT" the difference in results."
What are you talking about? Just because i cant explain something doesnt mean it isnt real.
" its environment and education"
then why do they still lag behind when we give them better environments and education? The only explanation i can assume is that they are just different
"Look man, i get it, you held this view for a long time, you're probably been on this earth of quite a while and seeing these differences you've come to this conclusion, but have you thought about that these genetic difference could happen in the first place?"
Because maybe, JUST maybe, some groups are less evolved than others
"can you say the same thing would have happened to humans? in less than a 100 years as well."
Yes wtf are you talking about, huge massive leaps in progress were made in those time frames for every group on the planet except africa...
"what would be the selective pressures that make is so the Africans for some reason don't evolve intelligence unlike in Europe? why wouldn't they evolve this intelligence?
Think about it. why?"
Unless you are asking a rhetorical question, i dont see the point in continuing to ask. I dont know why reality is the way it is. why dont you tell me?
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@iumasz6088
"I am from England, native English speaker Lived here all my life.
Being born in england does not make one english in the same way me speaking japanese makes me japanese. You know why i was asking and you didnt asnwer. Where are your ancestors from? surely not england
"Since we know there was a net increase of IQ in the less than a 100 years (even if we take in the possible fall of IQ) What caused this increase in IQ?"
" what " caused the increase is just as important as knowing why some didnt change while others did.
"I've already stated that evolution couldn't happen that quickly as their aren't selective pressures as extreme as in the Fox experiment. Do you still think so?"
Look, the question you are asking directly conflicts with the following statement.
"from an evolutionary standpoint my argument is different groups of people are at different stages of human development on a millions of years style scale"
wait, millions of years style scale?
"Do you know that modern humans (Homo sapiens) only started to move out of africa 100,000-70,000 ago?"
Did you know that the accuracy of the out of africa theory has been called into question recently? and if so, why would every group change drastically while one didnt?
"we are only talking about tens of thousands of years, no where near million."
Right, and if on a scale of millions of years, some groups of humans are thousands of years behind, it would be seen as small in scale
"No wonder you think that genetics are so important, if it was millions of years then yes you would have a point, but this is not the case."
"you probably got that number from the fact that early humans appeared only 2 millions years ago, but we are talking about tones like homo erectus and such, Homo sapiens, us, where only around for 300,000-200,000 years and only started to move out of Africa since 100,000 years at least, and Homo sapiens only arrived to Europe 50,000 years ago."
Sure bud... "Australopithecus" which were around in africa in the late Piacenzian era which is aproximatly 2-3 mya. To assume that human evolution only started at an arbitrary point in time isnt really accurate considering the long length of time earth has supported life, and the length of time we have recorded history.
"so we are actually talking about a time frame of 50,000 years between Africans and Europeans"
So is your argument that 50ka long or short time? because were talking about recently drastic changes in intelligence and advancement from some groups while not having anything from others. and you say there wasn't enough time to have drastic changes, but the evidence of reality proves that there were drastic changes in a short time. 49k years and not much happens then all of a sudden massive changes? My explanation is that some groups are a few thousand years behind in evolution.
"my position stayed mostly the same"
No they didnt, and thats why i brought it up
"we talked about IQ being meaning less when it comes to migration"
what? no, its pretty important... brain drain, and returning to the mean are real things that happen..
"we moved to why are IQ different and so we came into this discussion right now"
Yeah the one wher you said it didnt matter, and now argue mbased on it.. pretty sure thats not having the same position on IQ as you did earlier...
"my position is that that genetic factors might have a small but mostly insignificant difference when it comes to explaining this IQ difference and things that can be changed like development education and even nutrition have a much larger effect."
they don't have the same environments, a large portion of of the black community live in the inner cities, have less income, and have higher crime, because of culture, because of single parent households where children don't get much care and a lot of them turn to a life of crime."
And THIS is what i was talking about. you are acting like these are CAUSES and not OUTCOMES of differences..
" you are probably going to mention that study"
No, im not, although i found it in the list after the 4th time skimming though it. You keep making excuses for groups of peole failing on a civilizational level and blame it on factors, that to other groups arent as big of roadblocks as you think they are.
Why are poor W neighborhoods safer than poor B neighborhoods? Why are non W students given bonus points on SAT scores? You can pretend its education, but in todays age, you cannot use education as a crutch, you can self educate on anything you want for almost free.
Where do you think this culture comes from? I know where culture comes from and can answer that question. you disagre
because you say its "in reference to education family life in the vain of " racial discrimination" being the reason for the disparities in racial groups in the US." which i actually don't think it is racial discrimination is why those disparities exist.
Ok, but even with all the modern advantages of western living and education, they STILL lag behind and grow a toxic culture...
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@iumasz6088
"i am also a white native Briton as well, still just because i've phrased sentences weirdly a few times doesn't mean i am a foreigner."
Sure, but it doesnt mean your poor sentence structure ISNT a sign of someone who is ESL. Ive seen alot of it. can i at least assume either your english grades were lacking or english classes we received were vastly different?
yeah, every people on the continent rose IQ some more than others, but it seems to correlate with the speed of development , but how could this be genetic if it is less than 100 years?"
"some more than others" Yeah almost like groups are different or something. "how could it be genetic if its less than 100 years"
Ok let me try an illustrate something for you because im tired of re explaining it in various ways
Super simple and not really " accurate" but picture two groups of people of proto human intelligence, and give them both identical lego sets. massive lego sets, 30k pieces.
One group opens the box, begins to examine the pieces, experiments with them, the other group hasnt figured out how top open the box, eventually they lose interest
The first group eventually figures out that the pieces make the thing on the picture on the box, then they eventually learn to understand the instructions, and build the model after many attempts. the second group is then shown this, and shown how to open the box, then they start building. but then didnt have the same length of time experimenting with the blocks, or grasping the instructions, and whatever they made was always sub par and never stood up long. it takes much longer than the first group to achieve similar results as a result of this missing development time.
Scale this up to many thousands of years, the lego set represents complex reasoning/society/knowledge and the groups are Africans and everyone else
In this situation, your point about education ( opening the box, showing the finished product) still can exist in this scenario of my point that group differences can have compounding effects long term (not being able to build, because of lack of understanding of the bricks, physics, and the instructions)
well what is the new skepticism about out of Africa?
Since i only googled and read a few articles, that it pushes the date of " out of afirca" 100k-200k years, or implies africa wasnt the origin. Im sure there will be other discoveries further on detailing an even older origin, and an even older migration/separation
"literally acknowledged that, but those "humans" are literally a different species."
I mean time is linear, and if they are distant ancestors, would that not still prove my point? that " humans" have been evolving for millions of years?
"So is your argument that 50ka long or short time? because were talking about recently drastic changes in intelligence and advancement from some groups while not having anything from others. and you say there wasn't enough time to have drastic changes, but the evidence of reality proves that there were drastic changes in a short time. 49k years and not much happens then all of a sudden massive changes? My explanation is that some groups are a few thousand years behind in evolution."
"100 years is nothing, especially as we are speaking about changes in intelligence which would happen more slowly as there is a smaller chance for a positive mutation that will eventually be selected for in the species."
im at the point where " 100 years" is vague, and " changes in intelligence" is spoken like is hard data, and i dont really care. you arent saying anything toat contradicts what ive said. I can point to many periods in history where there were great advancements in less than a 100 year time frame from many different cultures, except from one continent
"yet you can't explain why they would change, despite there being no reason for one to just not evolve intelligence, a feature that is useful in every environment?"
What are you talking about? they still lag behind. " they went up" doesnt mean they arent behind, still behind, and that it isnt genetic related...
"who's they?"
Your positions... like how did you not get that? see this is why i thought you were ESL, whats goin on dude?
"And THIS is what i was talking about. you are acting like these are CAUSES and not OUTCOMES of differences.."
"i see where you are coming from, but this can't be confirmed until i see those studies removing environmental factors, just to see if they are not missing out something."
Just look at that whole list of studies and read up on some. Brain size differences, the warrior gene, etc
oh you found it. where is it on that list?
just a link to the abstract, the link the the actual document doesnt exist
"Why are poor W neighborhoods safer than poor B neighborhoods? Why are non W students given bonus points on SAT scores? You can pretend its education, but in todays age, you cannot use education as a crutch, you can self educate on anything you want for almost free.
"are they exactly as poor? and even then "black culture" could explain the difference."
No, this doesnt explain anything.
"well keep in mind that a large portion of African Americans where descendants of slaves and slavery and segregation laws would have impacted their culture."
And you just took a dump on all the African Americans that were intelligent and made something of themselves by pretending slavery and segregation are holding the rest of them back
"I've also got to ask you a question, if it is genetics then why are there African Americans who are as rich or richer than whites, and they often adopt what is colloquially known as "white culture" which seems to suggest that its their culture holding them back."
So follow me on this one. genetics gives way to culture. if one groups culture is better than another, and members of that second group ADOPT the culture of the first group, and this leads to long term success, this does not negate the point that genetics and culture are linked. Only proves that you CAN improve with action, but this does NOT change the reality of the difference.
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@iumasz6088
"ok, understand what you mean but Europeans where given an environmental advantage with their continent being a lot more fertile and wet, easier to travel, (due to frequent bodies of water), and so less isolated to the other parts of the world and a lot easier to travel the distance from one civilization to another when compared to Africa. because in africa we are dealing with a larger land area that needs to be covered and the rough terrain like deserts and jungles, compare a journey from Zimbabwe to Nigeria and compare the journey from Greece to France, smaller distance and you can also go by the Mediterranean in the case of the European . we've also got to consider that they where closer to the area birth of civilization which is the middle east, more specifically Mesopotamia, the Africans where separated via the Sahara desert.
OK but this explanation sorta goes against most of the middle east, as that is mostly deserts and mountains with sporadic bits of life. you keep saying they couldnt, but maybe they could, but just didnt travel? maybe there is something you havent thought of..
"you are also right to say that the explanation of the divide this happened over thousands of years but thats because of isolation, Africa was isolated form the rest of the world until the middle ages but by the middle ages the rest of the world was already pretty far ahead and the Europeans where about to start traveling the world which helped them go even further"
OK but that doesnt explain why they were so far ahead during the middle ages...
"n this situation, your point about education ( opening the box, showing the finished product) still can exist in this scenario of my point that group differences can have compounding effects long term (not being able to build, because of lack of understanding of the bricks, physics, and the instructions)"
"so you're acknowledging that factors like education have a much more profound effect than you initially thought?"
No, im not at all, i dont know why, but you seem to be reading what you want to hear instead of what i wrote. I was stating that even WITH education, the gap still exists...
"why would these differences come about in the first place? why would in one group intelligence not be as selected for as in another one? when intelligence is a all round useful adaptation."
Just because its a useful adaptation doesnt mean anything in this context. i dont know why one group isnt as smart as another. maybe its because they have differences that make it harder for them? idk, there isnt an answer, and its kind of annoying that you keep asking the same question over and over and over, while i write long descriptions to try and answer it...
wait so we moved out of Africa 100k-200k years ago or has it been pushed further so we actually moved out 200k-300k years ago?
Its like you really arent grasping what i write and its frustrating now... * pushes the date of " out of afirca" 100k-200k years*
Meaning the " however many years ago" this theory supposes the moving out occurred it happened 2-300k years further than they originally thought, and casts doubt in the theory in general
"well it depends by the definition of human, they are called early humans because they are our distant ancestors but when i am talking about our species we are talking about Homo sapiens specifically"
Literal pointless semantic argument... " well actually" no, a distant ancestor means its related genetically. but please semantically argue the point of an arbitrary designation of modern humans in a sliding scale of worldwide evolution going back millions of years...
"What are you talking about? they still lag behind. " they went up" doesnt mean they arent behind, still behind, and that it isnt genetic related...
"my point about then going up was to disprove the idea that genetic changes could have caused that change and to introduce the possibility of general development increases improvements in diet, living conditions, education and access to education."
it doesnt "disprove the idea that genetic changes could have caused that change" that even if what you are saying is true...
"oh you know why i didn't think you where talking about my position, because i've said "position" singlular, and you used "they" a plural, so i assumed you where talking about something else."
you have made more than one point, and you have more than one position because there is more than one thing to have a position on... but ok "
"i will look (later)"
Ok
"how so? a culture that doesn't value things like personal responsibility and discipline is bound have worse results than one that does
What does that have to do with education? poverty? Even with a culture that rejects personal responsibility/discipline/hard work etc (not all) there is still a gap in those that DO work
"misunderstood what i am saying, first of all this is an overall view, so this doesn't apply to all African Americans slavery and segregation aren't holding them physically back (overall) now but the change they did to their values have stayed."
i disagree, i feel like in general they have gotten exponentially worse
"also we are living in a time where minorities often use their victim hood as excuses for not being responsible for their own actions. there are plenty of African Americans that are intelligent and you would notice that they often don't ascribe to these ideas and values."
Sure but this is also a numbers game, and outliers exist. TBH blacks in the US are used as pawns in political games, and are regularly self sabotaged and propagandized
"So follow me on this one. genetics gives way to culture. if one groups culture is better than another, and members of that second group ADOPT the culture of the first group, and this leads to long term success, this does not negate the point that genetics and culture are linked. Only proves that you CAN improve with action, but this does NOT change the reality of the difference."
"if there is nothing stopping one group from adopting a culture despite being genetically different then why have genetics lead to them having a different culture?"
Again thisis like asking the same question. Why are greeks greek? why are italians italian? why are somalians somalian? they are a rproduct of themselves and the environment they coexist in. Adopting another culture doesnt change the culture that created you. being born INTO a culture STILL means you are not a native of the culture
"their genetics stay same and if their genetics are linked to their original culture and is the reason they have that culture then how are they able to go against their own biology in such a way?"
It isnt " going against their biology"
Its clear you arent grasping what i write for some reason.
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"the fertilel cresent wasn't mostly desert it was very lush and fertile, same with Egypt, differences is is that those places are quite close to the seas which allowed them to communicate and travel the Mediterranean and have contact with all these groups like the Greeks or the Egyptians and so on"
You know the fertile crescent was just a small area right? you are aware afghanistan pakistan and other middle eastern countries ARENT like the fertile crescent right?
why would they not travel?
They had the opportunity and the means to do so yet never did. Why would i know why theyb did what they did?
"OK but that doesnt explain why they were so far ahead during the middle ages... "
well it does when you take in that the spread of ideas and technology is very important in technoligical advancements, out numbers, medical theory and more prominently gunpowder are all things that the europeans themselves didn't invent but got from asia,
No, pretty sure the only thin you can give aisans is gunpower, much of math came from arabs and euros, and medical progress was almost entirely western.
and did so thanks to trade and contact with asia, there always was link between europe and the middle and the middle east and the rest of asia, africa didn't have this sort of contact between continents until the middle ages where we get the trans Saharan trade really kick of an some coastal trade from the middle east and india from east africa
yet there is able travel to and from most of africa, as it sall on teh same continent. and nothing was ever shared. almost like you keep making excuses that history doesnt line up with.
i've just asked so i know what you are saying. "with education?" are you saying the africans already got education?
Dude you keep switching from historical africians to current day AA in teh US. wtf. stop. even when educated they still fall behind, meaning " education and environment" arent the key factors here
"also from where you've got that number from?
I googled it and searched for 5 minutes...
"Just because its a useful adaptation doesnt mean anything in this context. i dont know why one group isnt as smart as another. maybe its because they have differences that make it harder for them? idk, there isnt an answer, and its kind of annoying that you keep asking the same question over and over and over, while i write long descriptions to try and answer it..."
I am saying this because this is essentially your Achilles heel in your theory.
How the fck is this an " achillies heel" of my argument? it literally proves my argument. every single point yo make as a defense is slowly picked apart by common sense.
There is no reason for them to be different, but they did anyway."
Again wtf are you talking about. we already discussed to death the genetic difference between these groups, now with all other factors coming together, education and environment there is STILL a gap because they are different. sitting there and saying " for no reason" makes me think you arent even comprehending what im telling you. you read words, and dont even think about them and go on to the next dumb question... very frustrating at this point
"Literal pointless semantic argument... " well actually" no, a distant ancestor means its related genetically. but please semantically argue the point of an arbitrary designation of modern humans in a sliding scale of worldwide evolution going back millions of years...
"how is it arbitrary?"
Literally picking a time period based of of remains, and arbitrary calling it the determining point of early humans? its Ludacris and pretends that human evolution stopped when you go back farther than that..
"every human has a common ancestor somewhere in Africa dating around 200k or according to you somewhere around 400k years ago."
I disagree with the out of africa theory but thats neither her nor there because im not researching or spending time looking into it because thats not the focus here.
and what is the point of brining up proto humans? are yo assuming that africian are the closer link to proto humans? because that seems to make sense with my theroies about lagging evolution
are you saying its not true?
no, most of what you say is wrong
"i've phrased it as one, but it doesn't matter"
come the fck on dude. stop being a twit . you know very well that this entire conversation has seen you make more than one point. saying they are all the same point is dishonest as fck and is pssing me off
"Sure but this is also a numbers game, and outliers exist. TBH blacks in the US are used as pawns in political games, and are regularly self sabotaged and propagandized"
"TBH blacks in the US are used as pawns in political games, and are regularly self sabotaged and propagandized"" yeah i agree, actually.
"yeah, ok you're still originally whatever your native peoples where"
because ethnicity/race and culture are inextricably linked
"It isnt " going against their biology"
Its clear you arent grasping what i write for some reason."
"are you saying that not all African people are genetically that different that caused their drop in IQ and that there are more gifted ones?"
WTF are you talking about? do you know how the bell curve works? you understand that having a few really smart people doesnt mean the rest are really dumb.
"but the proportions of these kinds of people are more common in Europe than in Africa, explaining the drop in Average IQ? think you've said something like this before, so i am asking to clarify this."
WTF ARE YOU SAYING FFS Your english is horrendous!
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@iumasz6088 " I am Grasping. I understand what your position is."
Based on the questions you keep asking, no, you dont
"But clearly both of us aren't refering to the same information."
Sure
"Both of us clearly gained or lost ground, may I remind that you can't give a reason for why would differences in intelligence occur despite it being useful in all cases."
No, not even close... Just because i cant explain why an OBSERVABLE difference exist, doesnt mean it doesnt exist
"YouTube isn't the best place to be debating these complex and detailed topics"
True, but ive been doing it for years anyway. At the very least, it means you have to confront and defend your positions, resulting one to learn, which i think you need to do some more of
"So I won't have the time to engage in this discussion...I won't be able to continue this debate any longer, Take care, and good luck with whatever is going on with your life. It has been interesting talking to you.
fine by me, enjoy, good luck, it is not hate in my words, but harsh truths, and hopefully leads you to look into some information
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@luct3368
"I just fundamentally think your assessment is wrong and isn't true outside of your head which, since you missed it, means I don't think you're addressing reality."
lol " i think you are wrong" yea bud im sure you think that. Im sure you think im not addressing reality, but that just tells me you either dont know what im talking about, or you dont care to learn about anything im talking about...
"Look, your point about conspiracies is a good insight into the sort of emotional reasoning you're falling prey to. Yes there are conspiracies, that doesn't make all conspiricists correct."
Ok dude, thanks for telling me that # notall conspiracies are real. no way i could have figured that out on my own dude...
"Otherwise you may as well cede the ground to the feminists and intersectionalists and their conspiracies."
This is laughable bullsht dude... not even close...
" you say that elites rule the world, thats a conspiracy, you are like feminists thinking misogyny is the root of all problems
Remember when MKULtra was a conspiracy? remember operation northwoods? the tuskagee expiriment? You think agenda 2030/2040/great reset is a conspiracy too?
"Which you won't, and it won't be reason you use to determine which are true and which aren't, only whether the messenger feels right."
uhhh this sentence doesnt really make any sense
"Demographics don't come with built in ideology - that's the blood and soil argument."
You are wrong and have zero clue what im talking about. if you think culture and ideology can form in a vacuum... Culture and genetics are inextricably linked. you can ignore this and avoid it all you want., but its reality.
"If you could freeze demographics or reverse them to some bygone time how would that solve the degeneracy you're talking about? Those so focused on race can't see they're not offering any answers, and that's a greater determinant of whether people take up the 'right' politics over the gatekeepers.
And you talk like someone who has done absolutely ZERO research into anything being discussed here... Its easier to fool someone than it is to convince them they have been fooled. You can look at voting data right? you can see that W and non W ""americians""" vote differently... mostly because throwing a bunch of tribes together and expecting them to wall work out together is ludacris and a death sentence to any nation...
Multiculti/nationalism is just another way to push globalism and destroy the concept of the nation state...
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@joshjohnson2600
nation (n.)
c.1300, nacioun, "a race of people, large group of people with common ancestry and language," from Old French nacion "birth, rank; descendants, relatives; country, homeland" (12c.) and directly from Latin nationem (nominative natio) "birth, origin; breed, stock, kind, species; race of people, tribe," literally "that which has been born," from natus, past participle of nasci "be born" (Old Latin gnasci), from PIE root *gene- "give birth, beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups.
The word is used in English in a broad sense, "a race of people an aggregation of persons of the same ethnic family and speaking the same language," and also in the narrower sense, "a political society composed of a government and subjects or citizens and constituting a political unit; an organized community inhabiting a defined territory within which its sovereignty is exercised."
In Middle English it is not easy to distinguish them, but the "political society" sense emerged by 16c., perhaps late 14c. and it has gradually predominated. The older sense is preserved in the application of nation to the native North American peoples (1640s). Nation-building "creation of a new nation" is attested by 1907 (implied in nation-builder). Nation-state "sovereign country the inhabitants of which are united by language, culture, and common descent" is from 1918.
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@EnglishmanB3 " i dont believe in the concept of breeds, all dogs are the same, so you should treat all the same, because they are all dogs, there is no dog breeds"
"" i dont believe in the concept of breeds, all cats are the same, so you should treat all the same, because they are all cats, there is no cat breeds""
" i dont believe in the concept of breeds, all fish are the same, so you should treat all the same, because they are all fish, there is no fish breeds"
" i dont believe in the concept of birds, all birds are the same, so you should treat all the same, because they are all dogs, there is no bird breeds"
you see how dumb this sounds?
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@EnglishmanB3 Researchers at the College of Dentistry at The Ohio State University, Columbus, led by Dr. Purnima Kumar, associate professor of periodontology, investigated whether variations in the composition of health-compatible oral biofilms in the oral cavity could be connected to a person's ethnic affiliation.
The research team collected samples of bacteria from the saliva and tooth surfaces and from under the gingiva of 192 study participants, belonging to four ethnic groups: non-Hispanic black, non-Hispanic white, Chinese and Latino. None of the participants had any systemic diseases, active caries or periodontal disease.
Researchers analyzed the samples by using a DNA deep sequencing methodology. They found ethnicity-specific clustering of microbial communities in the saliva and subgingival biofilms.
When they trained a machine to classify each assortment of subgingival microbes, they found that it was able to identify a participant's ethnicity from these subgingival microbial signatures. The machine identified non-Hispanic blacks with 100 percent sensitivity and 74 percent specificity, followed by Latinos (67 percent and 80 percent, respectively) and non-Hispanic whites (50 percent and 91 percent, respectively).
“The data demonstrate a significant association between ethnic affiliation and the composition of the oral microbiome, to the extent that these microbial signatures appear to be capable of discriminating between ethnicities,” wrote the researchers.
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@EnglishmanB3 Our data indicate that the unique folding patterns of gyri and sulci are closely aligned with genetic ancestry. The geometry robustly predicts each individual’s genetic background even though the population has been shaped by waves of migration and admixtures [12, 18]. A previous study, using only facial features, achieved 64% explained variance in YRI ancestry among African Americans [19]. Our 3D representation of cortical surface geometry performs similarly in predicting YRI ancestry and also performs well for the other three continental ancestries. As data in Table 1 show, the explanatory power is not due to the differences in total brain volumes, nor to the differences in areal expansion of the cortical surface. Instead, regional folding patterns characterize each ancestral lineage.
On the other hand, the global shapes of the reconstructed cortical surface geometry match W.W. Howells’ description of craniometry of 2,524 ancient human crania from 28 populations [20]. Crania of African ancestry tended to have a narrower cranial base, and those of Northern European ancestry had elongated occipital and frontal regions. Crania of East Asian ancestry had a high cranial vault, and crania of Native American ancestry were flatter. Regarding the morphing differences of YRI, EA, and NA, all had high magnitude and variations in the posterior-temporal regions (Figure 3).These findings are consistent with the notion that temporal bones contain more variations across ancestral groups [6].
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@EnglishmanB3 For example, persons of African descent in the United States who self-identify as black or African American are more likely to have certain biologic traits that were ancestrally protective in Africa, such as heterozygosity for sickle cell disease, which helps to protect against malaria, or the newly described APOL1 gene, which protects against trypanosomiasis (Science, 329:841-45, 2010). Of course, the allele that conveys malaria protection in heterozygotes causes sickle cell disease in those carrying two copies, and persons homozygous for the protective form of APOL1 are at increased risk for kidney failure. Thus, in settings where malaria and trypanosomiasis are rare, these biological traits are disadvantageous and may impart adverse health consequences.
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@EnglishmanB3 Scientists studying the DNA of 52 human groups from around the world have concluded that people belong to five principal groups corresponding to the major geographical regions of the world: Africa, Europe, Asia, Melanesia and the Americas.
*The study, based on scans of the whole human genome, is the most thorough to look for patterns corresponding to major geographical regions. These regions broadly correspond with popular notions of race, the researchers said in interviews.
The researchers did not analyze genes but rather short segments of DNA known as markers, similar to those used in DNA fingerprinting tests, that have no apparent function in the body.*
''What this study says is that if you look at enough markers you can identify the geographic region a person comes from,'' said Dr. Kenneth Kidd of Yale University, an author of the report.
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@schoe2164
where did you copy paste this from?
1. Homosexuality entails the evolutionary benefit of an aggrandizement of Altruism (Increase of the parent's direct fitness as well as reproductive success, increase of the homosexuals' indirect fitness)."
So an evolutionary benefit that isnt able to reproduce? seems like a dead end evolutionary
2. Homosexuality, additionally, is attributed to the fortitious convergence of several loci in analogy.
What?
3. The rotundity and size of a human's diencephalon is shown to differ according to sexuality (homo and hetero in this case)
Never heard of it
4. Having older brothers increases the probability of being gay (estimate depending on how many) due to immune system expression of the female body during pregnancy as a deterrent of the Y-linked protein NLGN4Y
5. The SLTRK family, most notably SLTRK6-5, responsible for regulation of neuronal growth, has great homology with NTRK (hormonal affinity), the SLIT group and is quintessential, alongside the others for neuronal growth and hormonal expression. The SLTRK6 protein is engulfed by the diencephalon, which I previously noted differs in size according to sexuality. This is highly indicative of the fact that chromosome 13 has an impact on sexuality (the one that this point is based on).
so the ghey gene has been found?
6. On chromosome 14, THSR encodes a thyroid stimulating hormone and is also found in neuro-rich areas, such as the hippocampus. Thsr codes for the autoantigen for hyperthyroidism, also known as Graves' disease. Surveys have amplified that women with Graves' disease are more probable to conceive gay children. Graves' disease, for instance, skews y-chromosome inactivation, skewed y-chromosome inactivation is more common with mothers of gay children."
Yeah im sure its genetic, and not having anything to do with cultural pressures, indoctrination, grooming, and abuse.. nope
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@Hello_there_obi
"Au contraire my friend, the one who seems to be leaning on authorative statements and arrogance is you."
so what did i say that was authoritative?
"You just keep saying I know nothing of firearms or firearm law, trying to gaslight me into your point of view and never explaining this accusation or going into firearm laws."
I explained to you why you have no idea what you are talking about. you could have started with that, but you didnt., weird
"And not all laws are moral or the right thing that's why we change them and constantly scrutinize them. I could throw that back at you and say that's just basic law 101. "
has nothing to do with anything i said. go on.....
"Saying I know nothing about firearms or firearm laws does absolutely nothing to address my points or counter them. It just makes you sound like a parrot."
and if you know nothing of firearm's law, or firearms, it means im right, but you cant handle addressing that, so you need to accuse me of parroting some talking points... sad
"And of course demographics are a problem - I already mentioned that if you read my comments to you. But don't try and strawman this and reframe the argument too much. We are talking about gun ownership. And I also mentioned the history of the US and took that into account in my thoughts. Why did you ignore that?"
and how does gun ownership have to do with demographics who commit crime with guns? its almost like im making a point you cant comprehend, and deflect
"When exploring whether or not people should be allowed to own these types of firearms and have this level of easy access to them, rattling off a bunch of laws is not a sound way to argue at all. Especially when you don't say what those are and how they counter my points."
bro, you could literally buy a tommy gun from the back of comics and magazines no mass shootings. we had guns INSIDE of schools used by fking children, no mass shootings.. its almost like you cant comprehend i wat i said, and fkign spend entire paragraphs bullshtting
"At least I am addressing your points"
No you actually address ZERO of my points... keep it up champ
"You just keep insulting my intelligence and refuse to debate properly. So look in the mirror when you call me an arrogant twot."
you addressed nothing i said, and ranted for several paragraphs about something you clearly have zero comprehension of...
keep it up champ
go off
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@Hello_there_obi
ootmaster1
2 weeks ago
@Matt Bolt
"Au contraire my friend, the one who seems to be leaning on authorative statements and arrogance is you."
so what did i say that was authoritative?
"You just keep saying I know nothing of firearms or firearm law, trying to gaslight me into your point of view and never explaining this accusation or going into firearm laws."
I explained to you why you have no idea what you are talking about. you could have started with that, but you didnt., weird
"And not all laws are moral or the right thing that's why we change them and constantly scrutinize them. I could throw that back at you and say that's just basic law 101. "
has nothing to do with anything i said. go on.....
"Saying I know nothing about firearms or firearm laws does absolutely nothing to address my points or counter them. It just makes you sound like a parrot."
and if you know nothing of firearm's law, or firearms, it means im right, but you cant handle addressing that, so you need to accuse me of parroting some talking points... sad
"And of course demographics are a problem - I already mentioned that if you read my comments to you. But don't try and strawman this and reframe the argument too much. We are talking about gun ownership. And I also mentioned the history of the US and took that into account in my thoughts. Why did you ignore that?"
and how does gun ownership have to do with demographics who commit crime with guns? its almost like im making a point you cant comprehend, and deflect
"When exploring whether or not people should be allowed to own these types of firearms and have this level of easy access to them, rattling off a bunch of laws is not a sound way to argue at all. Especially when you don't say what those are and how they counter my points."
bro, you could literally buy a tommy gun from the back of comics and magazines no mass shootings. we had guns INSIDE of schools used by fking children, no mass shootings.. its almost like you cant comprehend i wat i said, and fkign spend entire paragraphs bullshtting
"At least I am addressing your points"
No you actually address ZERO of my points... keep it up champ
"You just keep insulting my intelligence and refuse to debate properly. So look in the mirror when you call me an arrogant twot."
you addressed nothing i said, and ranted for several paragraphs about something you clearly have zero comprehension of...
keep it up champ
go off
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@DigitalGamerPixel thanks for replying
"The melting pot idea was and is a great idea, where we learn and trade with other cultures."
This is not what a melting pot is. You can learn and trade with other cultures without importing said culture. The melting pot is putting all the ingredients in a bowl, and expecting something wroth tasting ever comes out
"That's what the US was supposed to be, an evolution not stagnation"
Um no, the US was meant to be a euro nation, built by and for euros..... "Free whyte men of good character"
"You immigrate from, lets say, Egypt. You bring your knowledge of food recipes, family traditions, holidays, etc and share it with the friends you make here. Then people decide if they want to share those traditions or not. That is the idea of the melting pot."
I dont need to import Egyptians to learn from Egyptian culture. i can visit Egypt and embrace the culture instead of importing it, and diluting my own culture.....
"Imagine never having Mexican, Italian, Japanese, Greek or any other types of food."
"Muh food" is such a tired weak and pointless argument to even bring up. I dont need to import people to learn recipes..
"Imagine not being able to learn any form of martial arts"
Imagine thinking you need to import another culture to lean from a culture. What is this reasoning?
"THAT is what you're saying you want when you don't want us to meld with other cultures where we do a give and take."
No bud, what im saying is that if we import every culture, and " assimilate" every culture, then there will be no culture left in the US at all.
"That is what the US is supposed to be, and it's supposed to be an individual choice of what to adopt or not."
No, it was supposed to be a land for Europeans not for the entire world.
"You're always against gun control. What about cases of mentally ill people?"
Who decides what is or isnt "mentally ill"? what counts as " mentally ill" changes over time.
"We currently have a system in place where if you have a history of spousal abuse, criminal activity, or mental illness you're not allowed a gun, which I feel is right."
We live in a world where a woman can falsely accuse a man of a crime, and he is punished for it anyway. DO you ever look into divorce court? or family court in general? Those people lose their rights too
I disagree with the notion that the state has the right to determine if im able to exercise my god given rights... "Shall not be infringed"
However, I do feel that the criminal record should be case by case basis. If you were a gang member, understandable to not be allowed a gun. If you were just smoking pot or did a white collar crime, there should be some leniency.
How about this compromise/ " the state doesnt get to decide who gets their rights"? hows that sound?
"our criminal system needs an overhaul"
Yeah, i agree.
"We can have a foundation of a strong family within same sex marriages."
No, you actually cant
"They'd be ideal for foster homes"
hard no
"With how LGBT currently are with the gay pride parades and the stuff that goes on there, I can see where you're coming from."
And domestic violent rates, child grape/grooming statistics, the very degenerate nature of the environment...
"Which is why I say it should have stopped at gay marriage"
This is why many were right to outright oppose it. we told you exactly what was going to happen
"If you're in the US your country SHOULD be open for all. It used to be."
Again, you are fundamentally wrong on all counts. "free whyte men of good character" Why the F is my nation open to the whole world? The whole world didnt build it, why do they have the right to it? They dont.
""“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
These are the words engraved on the Statue of Liberty."
That poem was written by a ✡ (who are vastly overrepresented everywhere, especially in global NGOs and pro immigration groups) and ithad NOTHING to do with the statue, and are an abomination of the exact problem im talking about. This is a nation. it isnt a shopping plaza for the entire world to do with it as they please. thats not how nations work.
"Many modern Americans forget that we are a nation founded on immigration and used to welcome it."
Again, you have no idea what you are talking about..... We are a nation founded on settlers and pioneers. NOT immigrants... It wasnt until 1965 that the doors to the entire world were cast open and the demographics of my homeland were forever damaged
Ive been quite blunt, but you are wrong..
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