Comments by "ootmaster1" (@ootmaster1) on "Vivek Ramaswamy" video.
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@DeusExAngelo "Look at who I was replying to and the context I was using the term ethnonationlist. Regarding the sentiment that Vivek is somehow not an American, because he's not white. Does that not strike you as shallow, dimissive, and rather dehumanizing? And in case you ask, no it is not acceptable behavior if someone happens to be white."
he is not American,. he is indian... pretending that " American" is anyone with the right paperwork is dehumanize and in essence an eradication of the concept of the founding of the united states of America to be one of European descent, according to the nationalization act of 1790 ( free whyte men of good character)... Anything contrary to that is a detriment to the existence of the nation as a whole.
"I take it you are someone who labels himself as ethnonationlist. So let me ask you, in your own words, what does "Pro Your People" mean to you?"
Pro european. english, french, german, dutch, and keeping the nation as close to those roots as possible. and that DOESNT mean importing endless waves of foreigners and giving them the right to vote and change my homeland. This is the same issue being faced all across the european world... and no one seems to be batting in defense of europeans.... Its always Europeans defending their right to exist at all
"And what do you think individuals who do not belong to "Your People" be looked at and treated? Do you think you can co-exist with them? I'm genuinely curious."
They have their own homelands they belong to. India keeps being indian, china keeps being chinese, etc etc... whyte European countries keep being ""diverse"" and cease to be whyte European
"So my comments are shadowbanned? Odd. Though not entirely surprising, I suppose. I remember seeing a number of your replies in this comment chain and others prior."
Generally it depends on words you use. I figure its a combination of what words you use, and how often you are censured
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@DeusExAngelo
"So because he is not white, despite being born here, speaking perfect American English, and valuing the Constitution he is not American? That's not just a "the right paperwork', and how is it dehumanizing?"
Because he is a foreigner. he isnt " American" in the same way an africian born in japan isnt japanese....
"So you're using the 1790 Naturalization Act instead of the 1787 Constitution or the original founding document that made no mention of this? What use that Act in particular?"
Because it was literally the first immigration and nationality related act made by said nation... and it explicitly points out what the nation was and what its intentions were.
"what about the anti-immigrant sentiment of 1795 that put further restrictions on the "free white men of good character."
Wow so they were even stricter with immigration? wow. what a far cry from letting anyone and everyone inside and giving them citizenship. Was this supposed to counter my point or something?
"So why did this tension exist between people you deem as wanting to keep as "close to these roots" as possible. When the Western European groups you mentioned have as many cultural differences as similarities. This isn't even mentioning the other stipulations from the 1790 Naturalization Act. Nor is bringing in the issue of slavery."
So because european groups sometimes clash when meshed together means we should have un ending influx of foreign culture and ethnic classes? What does slavery have to do with anything? whytes were slaves more than nonwhytes
"Also notice you didn't mention the Spanish, Italians, Irish, Scottish, Poles, Swedes, and all other Europeans groups."
So because i mention some i need to mention all?
"Let alone Eastern Europeans. Some of which (especially the Scotts, Italians, and Irish) were discriminated against heavily in US history. Some not even considered "white" until more recently to my understanding."
Yeah its crazy, your argument that sometimes whites dont mesh well together means we should have un ending non whyte immigration to whyte nations forever to the point where they are no longer whyte is such a stunning argument
"Additionally, you're equating allowing any limited, legal immigration and naturalization from people who's ancestral heritage is not strictly Western European, with being cool with mass, unrestricted, and illegal immigration? That's not what I am saying nor implying. Heck, if you listened to Vivek's stance on immigration you'll know he actually wants to put more restrictions on immigration."
I dont care for the immigrant who would have only been here for the bastardization of my nations immigration law, to be the one to " fix it" he wont fix a thing. he wont fix anything, and will most likely steam line the " legal" process, and allow larger numbers of his type of people in. OR are we gonna pretend the same isnt happening all through europe. Secondly If his plans arent mass deportations and repatriation, and a retroactive claim against the 1965 immigration act i dont care. Its nto going to fix antyhing and the problem of ethnic erasure will continue. In 100 years, india will still be indian for vivek to go hoem to. Europe will be flooded by non europeans and erased... Same with the united states....
"Plus, I'd say it's very hyperbolic to say "it's always Europeans defending their right to exist at all". Like, do you mean throughout human history? Even when for most of human history that Europeans fought one another on the regular? Heck, something seen across all broad ethnic groups in humanity."
AH yes euros fought against other euros, therefore euros fight to defend themselves against innumerable non european hordes is strange
"So do you think we should deport everyone and anyone who doesn't fit your criteria of being strictly Western European?"
A European nation should always remain at least 90+% european.
"How do you plan to do that? By force and coercion?"
Yes
"What about people of mixed heritage? What is to be their fate?"
I mean, other than one of the MANY problems with mixing groups, they can always trevel to the other half of their peoples nations, because im sure they will continue to exist while europe is erased...
"What about people who've always lived in the states and never set foot in their "ancestral homeland"? What about those who love this country and dedicated themselves to it? You don't think that they exist or have an ulterior motive?"
I think they are a far far smaller number than what you think it is... People fleeing bad times in their own homelands would most likely just abandon their new homes when going gets tough... thats sort of the point
"But beyond that, you didn't answer if you think you can co-exist with these individuals at all?You do need to quote other parts of my comment, especially since this discussion is going longer."
what do you mean co exist? each group has their own homes and spaces. why do they all need to come to mine? why do i need to be forced to live inside diversity? why is it im not allowed a homogenous nation to live in? "co exist" with people you never invited to live with you? people who are nothing like you , look nothing like you, and have vastly different customs cultures and mannerisms? why do i have to be forced to coexist with that?
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@DeusExAngelo
-Sorry force of habit, also helps to read the reply when replying to it
-Yes he is. " dynamics" mean nothing. he will always be a foreigner...
- "Honorary japanese" is not "japanese by the way... "happens more often than you think" and how often is the founding stock of a nation reduced to less than 50% in a short time frame, and fit most of the major points of he UN charter on gen cide?
- " the way it was supposed to be setup" AH yes because the same group of people that decided the thing we made should be made for our people and their children didnt intend for the nation to stay for the childrens of their people, but to become a shopping mall for the entire third world populations to pour in? Cmon now...
-"euros sometimes fight themselves, therefore conflict will be equally the same with vastly more different groups of people" isnt the argument you think it is. " should say that for all of europe" yeah, i do say that. i say that alot, because nearly every single European nation on the planet is facing the EXACT same problem of being replaced by foreign populations. Britian, France, germany, Sweden, even ireland is being invaded... you keep acting like this slow motion gen cide isnt the case and are having a philosophical debate on ideas, and im trying to point out the reality of ethnic erasure of entire groups of people. You SERIOUSLY underestimate the culture clash of non euros to euros... even if a frencman and a german are different and have different cultuyres and mannerisms, they are FAR FAR closer to each other than a random indian or a sub-Saharan africian, or an islamic middle easterner... its not even a comparison
-"we are all individuals not groups" pointless platitudes that mean nothing. You can pretend that all peoples are the same on an individual level, or that you cant make group comparisons, but you are wrong and misled.
-"euros fought eachother" see above
- "twisting" Well with the way this conversation is going you arent " for" it but you certainly dont seem to consider that its happening at an ethnically cleansing rate...And yet when it happens, and said immigrants are now in power over the native population, im the bad guy for not wanting this to happen?
"Like this is the way so many leftists argue, and why so many (myself included) see your idealogy as reflections of one another."
LMAO
My argument is you are treating all individuals in these groups as monoliths who all think one way or another. How do know that 100 years from those countries are going to be that way? How exactly? I have no idea what will happen a century from now.
-"how do you know"
Because i can extrapolate simple population numbers? and im not being dishonest about the reality of whats going on?
"I have no idea what will happen a century from now. "
-I know for SURE that if the problems plaguing Europeans countries (including the united states BTW) arent fixed in a generation or two, there wont BE any europeans left...
-"hood culture is akshually from rednecks"
No, not even gonna dignify that.
-Quite frankly i dont care where they end up, they cant stay here, and they cant stay in european countries. they have countries filled with their own people. You act like there arent endless pockets of foreign countries inside the USA, or that massive MASSIVE portions of the immigrant population barely speak english. and they bring their culture and customs and families with them. "native americans" lol they are kind of grandfathered in, and have reservations and have endless gibs.
-"you cant collaborate with other peoples unless you let them into your nation in massive numbers and give them all citizenship" Its like you arent even trying to grasp what im trying to say to you... but thats ok
"I think you severely underestimate how many nonwhite Americans who love the USA."
When i walk into walmart, and im one of the only 3 whyte people in it, and i hear 6 different languages, what the fk is "America" at that point? The good ones are CLEARLY outnumbered by the vast hoards of ungrateful... So many love the USA that they send money back home to the tune of millions and millions of dollars. Its why so many keep their own cultures and traditions, and languages its so amazing being in a foreign country despite living here my whole life... Real Americana is being ethnically and culturally replaced in your own home. You seem to fail to grasp what that means somehow...
-"my personal experience is good therefore your argument bad" Come on man
-"its vile and evil to do the only thing that is going to preserve your people and what they created for you" You had better hope mass deportation's and repatriates happen or your gonna see what happens when all the europeans are gone.... its gonna look like south africian farmers and chicago everywhere.
"Sincerely, do you not have any friends outside your broad ethnic group like at all?"
Yes, but they are so rare and are outliers. You are sitting there sayingi have an (X) friend who likes things i like and thinks like me and are extrapolating that to everyone.
"Have all your experiences with those who happen not be white been that negative"
Most of my interactions with non eurpoeans have been negative.
"Or have ever even met any in real life at all?"
I was regularly assaulted as a kid in school, mostly by B Americans . I learned how much of a leg up non whytes get with scholarships and grants when i was trying to go to college. Worked in tech and grasped how awful working with Indians is, and how terrible the tech industry has gotten
Heck, virtually all comments and replies I've seen of yours are some expressing racial grievance. Outside that, are you okay?
Have you ever looked at interracial crime statistics? like ever?
Im watching a media and government/cooperation/global initiative to erase my people from the globe simultaneously on multiple fronts. and were having discussions about not all non whytes are bad we cant keep european countries european that would be mean. Anyone who says otherwise is a racist bigot whyte supremacist who wants to glass all the non whytes from the world, when in reality all i want is my people to continue to exist in the lands they cultivated. No one in their right mind would go to japan or taiwan and tell them they should let themselves be outnumbered by foreign peoples and cease to run their own nations, and through the inevitability of what happens at that point, they will cease to exist.
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@DeusExAngelo
"misrepresenting/reducting my view, accusing me of faulty logic and then yourself engaging"
ANd such an example being what exactly?
"you don't get it"! and that I am somehow being dishonest."
If you arent understanding what i said and are unable to counter what i said. how am i being dishonest? You dont even bother responding to anything i said. Nothing about the impending ethnic gen ocide of my people across the globe in a coordinated effort. No mention of group differences, or crime. like you just ignore it and give me platitudes like an indoctrinated leftist.
"No, I get exactly what you're about and what you want. It's clear it's not that you think pretty much anyone who is non-European is incompatible, dangerous, and/or inferior to anyone who happens to be of primarily European descent. "
We are different. genetics matter. Pretending all peoples are blank slates is a dangerous and naive worldview. Some peoples are better than others. This is objective fact. Some peoples build civilization s, others tear them down... Take south africa for instance... Developed and grown from the dutch settlers, and now its a shtshow with gruesome ethnic h8tred driving the m rder of whytes in south africa and the large part of many peoples are now starving as they destroyed the farms...
"You believe they feel that way about Europeans and ergo you."
They do, i see it every day with the distain and whyte h8tred. Remember, its ok to be proud of your people and ethnicity, unless you are a european, then you are the most evil type of person on the planet...
"That you want them as far away as possible from you because of this perception."
The red birds stay with the red birds, the blue birds stay with the blue birds. Nearly every single group of poeple on the planet in all of history have behaved with an in group preference. its a survival mechanism. Saying its wrong for a European people to stay a European people is astronomically mind boggling to me
"You want as pure and homogeneous an ethnostate you can get. Even suggesting to use violence to achieve it."
The red birds stay with the red birds, the blue birds stay with the blue birds. "violence" as in repatriation? like we did during 1929 and 1939? Its nto unheard of, its not evil, its not even that hard to do.... Nearly every single group of poeple on the planet in all of history have behaved with an in group preference. its a survival mechanism. Saying its wrong for a European people to stay a European people is astronomically mind boggling to me
"This is I said it reminds me of how leftists argue"
This is ironic because you are arguing from the viewpoint of a leftist. "if you arent with me you are against me" you ARE against me on the sheer fact you think im horribly wrong about the solution to the problem. You oppose the ethnic reality of europeans for some odd reason. Im jumping to conclusions? because im witnessing european ethnic gen ocide worldwide, and saying something about it? You seem to not care about the fate of european peoples.... i can only assume this is because you are not european... this would allude to the entire point i was making about in group preferences.
Ultimately, we both think the other is wrong or misled. I wish you the best, but I am not nor will I ever part of "your people" you wish I was. Nor I am obligated to be. Sorry.
Well you are either misled, or arent understanding the scale and threat of what im discussing.... You are free to live in your own world, but the reality of the words i have spoken are not erased by ignoring it.
"but I am not nor will I ever part of "your people" you wish I was. Nor I am obligated to be. Sorry."
so im summation, im arguing with a non european about the fate of europeans, and you not grasping the threat to my people is somehow me jumping to conclusions?
1800 come on now
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