Comments by "ootmaster1" (@ootmaster1) on "Who is Winning the Culture War?" video.
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@anthonydavis9842 erm no.
c. 1300, nacioun, "a race of people, large group of people with common ancestry and language," from Old French nacion "birth, rank; descendants, relatives; country, homeland" (12c.) and directly from Latin nationem (nominative natio) "birth, origin; breed, stock, kind, species; race of people, tribe," literally "that which has been born," from natus, past participle of nasci "be born" (Old Latin gnasci), from PIE root gene "give birth, beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups.
The word is used in English in a broad sense, "a race of people an aggregation of persons of the same ethnic family and speaking the same language," and also in the narrower sense, "a political society composed of a government and subjects or citizens and constituting a political unit; an organized community inhabiting a defined territory within which its sovereignty is exercised."
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@Arctc-zh6rg "Equating immigrants to dogs...yup that's also pretty racist. And fallacious."
No its neither, and you are just a dishonest baiting troll. you cant even articulate why its wrong, you just go " thats an animal and humans are different" they arent, humans are animals, they are mammals.. pretending we arent subject to the same nature that the rest of the world is subject to is insanity
"Humans are all one species and our society is based around nation states."
Ah yes, dogs, are all teh dog breed, there is no different breeds of dogs,. this is the same of cats, birds and fish.... super big brain here
"So if a human is born within a nation's borders they are legally a member of that nation."
No, you are wrong
nation (n.)
c. 1300, nacioun,
*"a race of people, large group of people with common ancestry and language," from Old French nacion "birth, rank; descendants, relatives; country, homeland" (12c.) and directly from Latin nationem (nominative natio) "birth, origin; breed, stock, kind, species; race of people, tribe," literally "that which has been born," from natus, past participle of nasci "be born" (Old Latin gnasci), from PIE root *gene- "give birth, beget," with derivatives referring to procreation and familial and tribal groups.
The word is used in English in a broad sense, "a race of people an aggregation of persons of the same ethnic family and speaking the same language," and also in the narrower sense, "a political society composed of a government and subjects or citizens and constituting a political unit; an organized community inhabiting a defined territory within which its sovereignty is exercised."*
"And as they are raised through the system of that nation, they become fully part of the nation in every other way too."
except they dont. anyone paying any amount of attention to the real world can see this clear as day...
cmon dude try harder
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@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher
"you're the one assuming that gatekeepers are the only ones keeping the right away from the 'real' right and fighting"
So avoiding the demographic question, the who really call the shots, the " culture is just ideas" is the same stuff that keeps people from addressing the core of issues we face, IE, gatekeeping, and controlled opposition
"The same argument the tankies make about Liberals incidentally, that their influence stops them from going the 'correct' path"
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"You're overthinking it. Likeability is nothing to do with reality, fair enough, just as well we weren't debating the nature of reality, we were talking about gatekeepers and Likeability matters when people look at the militant left and conspiritorial right see lunatics and gravitate to a moderate position."
ANd avoiding talking about reality so its more likeable is gatekeeping and avoiding addressing of the actual problems...
spoiler, the world is full of conspiracies
"Scroll back through this thread, average people see messages like an earlier one interracial marriages and skirting the line into some insane shit and they don't choose that. Why? I was inviting you to consider that first before you blame everyone else for your inability to convince anyone but yourselves"
So i should care about the opinions of people so far down the degeneration slope pushed through marxist education and propaganda for decades? Pretending that there is something wrong with pointing uncomfortable truths out is optics cvking
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@Longshanks1690
"that first comment is complete gibberish"
Its not, but ok dude
"Are Europeans all part of one singular race or are the Franks, Anglo-Saxons and Celts all distinctly different races who should be treated accordingly?"
Yes, they are, and yes they can be different. I dont understand your inability to grasp this idea
"I really have no idea what you’re trying to say to get around this wholly fatal flaw in your ideology"
Probably because you have no idea what you are talking about
"The world does not run along “racial” lines, it runs off of cultural lines"
Yup, and where do you think that culture comes from? the ether?
"Again, this is why the separating factor between Anglo-Saxons and Celts or White/European is important. Do you regard the Welsh as a separate racial category from the English or are they all white? "
Your obsession with dividing " white" is the issue here man. Having common ancestors doesnt mean they will be exactly the same, and even if they are different id doesnt mean they are not from a similar ancestor... why this is complicated for you is beyond me
"Because I have a funny feeling you would lump all Africans in the same boat as black or Asians as a whole, when the same disparities exist there that don’t affect you because in your mind, they’re all just foreign."
I mean you seem to be willfully not understanding what im trying to tell you and this off handed comment just shows me you have nothing.
"Because when you examine the world, you see people all over the place of the same “race” abuse each other along lines that make no sense."
Buddy you arent grasping what im trying to explain to you... you arent making the point you think you are
"Why, for instance, would the Japanese persecute the Ainu if they are all part of the same race?
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Because they are different even though they are very similar.. why do you think this is a point?
"For the same reason that the English persecuted the Irish despite them both being white; because of the cultural differences between them that marked each other out as different despite, on the face of it, their skin colour being exactly the same"
I mean id argue they arent exactly the same.. yet irish english and french can get along better than other groups. which ties into the common ancestor point. Identical twins are genetically the same, yet end up being different.
"but since the globalisation of the world"
Which is becoming the greatest cancer of all civilizations...
"we still hold onto these primitive concepts of race while broadening it so a Japanese-Ainu marriage creates Asian children in the mind of you, a white person,despite all the centuries of precedence showing that this is as much of an interracial marriage as someone from Zambia and Sweden."
Dude im not even going to address how absolutely moronic that is and im just going to not bother wasting my time explaining how you are wrong
"Am I getting through to you at ALL on the absurdities of your own racially polarised worldview?"
All you have done is illustrate you have no ideda what im talking about
"You are assuming correlation equals causation."
No
"Culture is, by definition, the shared practises and beliefs of a particular people which bind them together and separate them from everyone else in the world. Of course you’re going to share culture with people you’re genetically close to since they’re the ones you grew up with and around"
uh huh, yes, go on...
"but you’re assuming that there is something predetermined about biology and race which ties someone to a particular culture rather than having been born and raised in that culture."
Yeah if that were the case why do ethnic enclaves form when there is large amounts of immigration? why does Sweden have no go zones? WTF do think " china town" even came from?
You ascribe to this " blank slate" sort of ideology where a dog can be a cat if they are born and raised with cats
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@Arctc-zh6rg
1. Humans are different from other mammals in that we don't have sub-species of humans. We have different phenotypes(races/ethnicities) but those are mostly cosmetic and/or socially constructed. Black and white-skinned humans are far more similar than chimpanzees and gorillas for example. That was my only point."
AH yes, the " its only cosmetic differences" reply.. you know you are fundamentally wrong here right?
2. There are different breeds of dogs lmao what? Poodles, German Shepherds, Chihuahuas etc. Those are different breeds my dude lol.
Ah yes, but you see, those are just phenotype differences and they are mostly cosmetic or socially constructed...
3. Idk what country you're from or how they do it there, but in the US(and Canada), if you're born physically within our borders, you are granted automatic citizenship. Other countries has varying restrictions, but this is fairly consistent throughout the western world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli
Yeah its crazy granting citizenship just because you were in a specific geographic region makes you totally one of that nation and will totally just blend in culturally. you are so lost
4. Immigrants assimilate and have been assimilating into their new countries for thousands of years. You act like immigrants around the world are just starting their own nations within the nations they travel too, which isn't happening anywhere, like at all lol. Stop trying to justify your racism and just take the L.
LOL dude you have o idea how wrong you are. " you act like immigrants just start their own nations within the nations they travel to" you know thats exactly what they do right? you CLEARLY have no idea what you are talking about..
" which isn't happening anywhere, like at all lol"
Why do you fckin lie dude? there are entire cities that are dominated by one ethnicity, like indians move in, now the entire block is Indian with Indian food stores, Indian religions buildings, and people speaking hindi... same with chinese, vitanmese, and tons of other ethnic flavors. Nothing like going into a CVS or a WALMART and being one of a tiny minority of W people while every other non W is speaking foreign languages in your own country... yup, that assimilation sure works out well...
Hey maybe, assimilation cant work if you endlessly continue importing foreigners? instead of assimilating, there is nothing to assimilate to, so they just stick with their own clan... if you opened your ese you could see this.... but for some reason you wont... like its intentional...
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@luct3368
"I just fundamentally think your assessment is wrong and isn't true outside of your head which, since you missed it, means I don't think you're addressing reality."
lol " i think you are wrong" yea bud im sure you think that. Im sure you think im not addressing reality, but that just tells me you either dont know what im talking about, or you dont care to learn about anything im talking about...
"Look, your point about conspiracies is a good insight into the sort of emotional reasoning you're falling prey to. Yes there are conspiracies, that doesn't make all conspiricists correct."
Ok dude, thanks for telling me that # notall conspiracies are real. no way i could have figured that out on my own dude...
"Otherwise you may as well cede the ground to the feminists and intersectionalists and their conspiracies."
This is laughable bullsht dude... not even close...
" you say that elites rule the world, thats a conspiracy, you are like feminists thinking misogyny is the root of all problems
Remember when MKULtra was a conspiracy? remember operation northwoods? the tuskagee expiriment? You think agenda 2030/2040/great reset is a conspiracy too?
"Which you won't, and it won't be reason you use to determine which are true and which aren't, only whether the messenger feels right."
uhhh this sentence doesnt really make any sense
"Demographics don't come with built in ideology - that's the blood and soil argument."
You are wrong and have zero clue what im talking about. if you think culture and ideology can form in a vacuum... Culture and genetics are inextricably linked. you can ignore this and avoid it all you want., but its reality.
"If you could freeze demographics or reverse them to some bygone time how would that solve the degeneracy you're talking about? Those so focused on race can't see they're not offering any answers, and that's a greater determinant of whether people take up the 'right' politics over the gatekeepers.
And you talk like someone who has done absolutely ZERO research into anything being discussed here... Its easier to fool someone than it is to convince them they have been fooled. You can look at voting data right? you can see that W and non W ""americians""" vote differently... mostly because throwing a bunch of tribes together and expecting them to wall work out together is ludacris and a death sentence to any nation...
Multiculti/nationalism is just another way to push globalism and destroy the concept of the nation state...
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