Comments by "神州 Shenzhou" (@Shenzhou.) on "The US Wants to Destroy China Microchips - This Will Backfire!" video.
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@billyehh China is home to 90% of the world's rare earth metals production. Rare Earths are used in technology like magnets and super magnets, motors, metal alloys, electronic and computing equipment, batteries, catalytic converters, petroleum refining, medical imaging, colouring agents in glass and ceramics, phosphors, lasers and special glass. Since you're boycotting China, have you gotten rid of all your products that contain rare earths from China?
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@arturganczarski500 You said: "The west is not afraid of China, Shenzhou. The world is just disappointed and worried, seeing this teenage boy who does pushups in a gym..."
This ain't no teenage boy. China has 5,000 years of history and is among the world's oldest "continuous" civilization still alive today, whereas other ancient civilizations like Mesopotamia, Rome and Egypt eventually succumbed to history. Throughout our long history, China has witnessed the birth and death of various other nations, the rise of fall of numerous empires, and yet China has survived the oftentimes violent passage of time to arrive in the modern time relatively intact, whereas even the Republic of Rome eventually crumbled.
You said: "...and thinks now he can take on everyone in the neighborhood."
You should be glad that China is merely doing push-ups and not actually starting fights at the moment (it's the U.S that picked fights in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, etc) and China reserves the right to self-defense. The events of the Century of Humiliation has taught China that a big country with a weak army would only invite foreigners to invade it, so a big country needs a strong army to act as a deterrent.
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@smoochie3331 China is home to 90% of the world's rare earth metals production. Rare Earths are used in technology like magnets and super magnets, motors, metal alloys, electronic and computing equipment, batteries, catalytic converters, petroleum refining, medical imaging, colouring agents in glass and ceramics, phosphors, lasers and special glass. Decoupling from China, means that the U.S would no longer have access to products that contain rare earth metals from China.
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@bjrnhjortshjandersen1286 China's High-Speed Rail network is designed to connect the wealthier Eastern port cities (i.e Shanghai, Shenzhen, Guangzhou, etc) to the less developed Western Regions (i.e Tibet, Xinjiang, etc) in order to distribute China's wealth more evenly. Even though China's HSR connecting to Western regions is currently running at a loss, the benefits come in the form of passengers able to buy affordable train tickets to commute to work from their homes. Whereas in the West, their train fares are getting more expensive for everyday commuters.
You said: "If 5G has difficulty finding good use in China ...how much sense will 6G make now?"
5G in still in its infancy and much of its potential remains unrealized, because of its late development. So there's still remains some time to go before 5G truly kicks off the ground. Developing 6G now makes sense, because the sooner you start the development of the technology, the sooner the technology matures out of infancy.
You said: "If a country makes too many investments that do not contribute to the prosperity of the nation it just makes people poorer."
Short-term investments are expected to pay off in the short run, while the benefits of long-term investments may not always be obvious right now. China is focusing on long-term investments, so while you may not always see the gains right now, after a few years or more, the investments might begin paying off in the future.
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@TeoDP7 Korean War: Korea was once a single unified country during Joseon Dynasty, until Korea was occupied by the Japanese during WWII. After the Japanese surrendered, Korea was (needlessly) divided into North Korea (Soviet Union) and South Korea (USA). North Korea was the strong country on the peninsula and wanted to end this humiliating division of their country, and they almost succeeded. North Korea had achieved around 90% unification, until the USA suddenly declare war on North Korea and intervened in this Korean Civil War. The Americans pushed the North Koreans back past the 38th Line of Division and into actual North Korean territory, right up to China's doorstep (i.e Liaoning province). In the end China agreed to help North Korea push the Americans and South Koreans back to the 38th Line of Division.
In the end, it's apparent that USA was one of the two nations responsible for the partition of Korea (specifically, the creation of South Korea), so if you ask whether the USA is a troublemaker or peacemaker in this scenario, I would say troublemaker. After all, why was a single country like Korea, needlessly partitioned into two? If Korea was kept as a single country, then there would be no North Korea and South Korea to even speak of.
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(I also found it strange that you yourself admitted that you are not American, you're from Slovakia. But in your long post, you kept on using "we" when attempting to justify American wars. Did you copy that post from somewhere?)
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@rpg1663 You said: "Many of the last century big discoveries and developments were made by much smaller countries,"
Because China in the last century was undergoing civil strife, starvation, poverty, invasion, and exploitation by the West (and Japan), in whats called the Century of Humiliation. During the 19th Century, the British wanted to continue drinking Chinese tea, but China did not want anything the West had to offer, so they waged two wars with China and forced us to buy opium from them, which was unwanted because it made our people sick and was poisoning the country. Port cities like Hong Kong was taken to act as a drug distribution hub to spread the addiction throughout the rest of China. Even when Hong Kong was eventually returned in 1997, the mainland had to agree to the Sino-British Declaration just for them to handover what was previously Chinese territory that they've taken.
But now that China has reunified, civil strife has ended, and poverty alleviation efforts proving successful, it's only a matter of time for new discoveries and developments to start coming out of China.
You said: "And please don't mention 5G LOL.. It's a good improvement of an already existing technology though."
That's the point about existing technology, it can always be improved upon and be opened up to new uses. The same goes for carbon chips, which you claimed existed since 2013, but in 2020, China has made a breakthrough in perfecting the process for large scale industrial application. Once silicon-based chip reaches its theoretical limit, then lithography machines are simply unable to make those chips any smaller, so alternatives like carbon chips (whom are more efficient and less energy intensive) may come to the forefront, and China will no longer be affected by U.S sanctions on lithography machines, since the manufacturing process for carbon chips are different from silicon.
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@rpg1663 You said: " how many years will it take for China to develop a EUV machine... By that time, we'll be talking about pico instead of nano transistors :D"
Remember, the current nano transistors are all silicon-based, and scientists are discovering that despite advances in chip technology, humans are rapidly approaching the theoretical limit to just how small we can make silicon chips. There's a limit to just how small we can make (silicon based) chips. The size of a silicon atom is . 2 nm. and suffice it to say, it would be impossible to create a silicon transistor smaller than that. If we are unable to make transistors smaller, then “Moore’s Law” will be broken, since we can no longer double the number of transistors we can fit onto chips.
There have been other proposed solutions to this problem, one of which is switching from silicon-based semiconductors to carbon-based semiconductors using graphene and carbon nanotubes. In 2017, Chinese scientists made a carbon-based chip with a gate length of 5 nm, that's more efficient that silicon-based chips in terms of performance and power consumption. Also, the way to manufacture these carbon-based chips does not require access to EUV lithography machines by the U.S. This means that if China is successful in carbon-based chips, then we wouldn't have to waste any more time developing EUV lithography as silicon-based chips approach the theoretical limit.
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@trygd100 You said: "I boycott any thing made in China."
China is home to 90% of the world's rare earth metals production. Rare Earths are used in technology like magnets and super magnets, motors, metal alloys, electronic and computing equipment, batteries, catalytic converters, petroleum refining, medical imaging, colouring agents in glass and ceramics, phosphors, lasers and special glass. Since you're boycotting everything made in China, have you gotten rid of all your products that contain rare earths from China?
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@Andy-P "神州 Shenzhou I think this would be a logical move for China. It will be an effective weapon."
What move by China are you talking about? I'm simply telling people who don't want to buy anything made in China to get rid of products containing rare earths produced in China, since China is responsible for 90% of rare earths production. The list includes: magnets and super magnets, motors, metal alloys, electronic and computing equipment, batteries, catalytic converters, petroleum refining, medical imaging, colouring agents in glass and ceramics, phosphors, lasers and special glass.
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@msimon6808 You said: "Good thing China is self sufficient in food and oil."
China is buying cheap Russian oil and gas at a discount, while European countries are rationing energy, turning off streetlamps at night, restricting hot water showers to a minimum, even cutting down trees for firewood, especially as winter approaches. At one point, China was selling excess LNG bought from Russia to Europe at a hefty profit.
As for food, China can support 21% of the world's population with just 7% arable land, and still produce surplus food to export to other countries. We are home to world's largest pig farms, sheep farms, goat farms and duck farms. China's fishing industry makes up one-third of the world's reported fish production as well as two-thirds of the world's reported aquaculture production.
China ranks top in the world in agricultural production, producing more wheat, cotton, lettuce, cabbage, green bean, green pea, cauliflower/brocolli, eggplant, potato, spinach, carrots, cucumber, pumpkin, sweet potato, tomato, pear, grapes, peach, apple, plums, strawberries, kiwifruit, watermelon, chestnut, peanut, walnut, chili pepper, garlic, eggs, than any other in the world.
Source: Wikipedia: List of largest producing countries of agricultural commodities
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@bjrnhjortshjandersen1286 "神州 Shenzhou It is important to look at the reasons why the USA gave up those wars."
It's because the Americans were sick of war and their U.S soldiers dying on foreign soil, so for what reason would the U.S want to involve themselves in a conflict over the Taiwan Strait?
You said: "You may consider what is the attitude of the Taiwanese people....would China gain much by using force against people that do not want to become subjects to the PRC?"
China would finally put an end to the Century of Humiliation, during which China was carved up like a pie (as illustrated in that infamous French cartoon) and our territories served to various Western powers. China has accepted that some pieces are no longer recoverable (i.e Vladivostok) but China has managed to regain Hong Kong and Macau. Taiwan island remains the last unclaimed piece that the mainland would spare no expense to reunify it.
You said: "Remember neither the Ming nor the Qing dynasties managed to conquer the whole island."
The Kuomintang were able to conquer the whole island, and since the KMT defines its state as the Republic of China then Taiwan is without a doubt part of Chinese territory. Also, Japan today has relinquished all their claims to Taiwan island, but the ROC and the PRC have not.
You said: "China has associated with Russia and it is seen as being similar."
China is friends to both Russia and Ukraine. China opposes conflict and is sending humanitarian aid to Ukraine, but China is also continuing business with Russia. On the other hand, it's the NATO countries that are sending lethal aid to Ukraine and prolonging the conflict.
You said: "This means there is a lot of distrust towards the PRC in the world."
Actually, studies shown that the countries opposing Russia account for only 36% of the world's population. Around two-thirds of people live in countries that either neutral or sympathetic to Russia.
You said: "Without global trust, it will never be possible for China to become an important country in the world."
China is already an important country in the world, regardless of whether you think you trust us or not. China is making the headlines in newspapers all over the world, how can you claim China will never become an important country?
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@老牛吃嫩草-r9y America is perpetually in need of immigrants, that's why they have loose immigration criteria. As long as a foreigner has family member or relatives with U.S citizenship, they are themselves eligible to apply for U.S citizenship. That's why many foreigners marry Americans to attain U.S citizenship, and then they immigrate their whole families over (much to the disgruntlement of local Americans)
China already has the world's largest population at 1.4 billion people, so China has no real need for immigrants. That's why China has strict immigration criteria, prioritizing citizenship status to overseas Chinese or foreigners who have something to offer to China, such as doctors, lawyers, dentists, engineers, scientists, researchers, etc.
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@rpg1663 Like you said, carbon based chips have been around since 2013, but it took a huge population country like China to have a breakthrough in perfecting the process for large scale industrial application in 2020. This shows that an old technology can be lying around dormant for some time, yet after a while, another country makes a breakthrough in this field. So you can't just simply write off old technology after it hasn't borne results in while, there may be new discoveries in the future.
You said: "I thought it was quite clear by now that having big population means nothing. Even having lots of PhD graduated every year in the best universities outside of China."
As the world's most populous country, China has the most brainpower to come up with ideas, as well as the most manpower to turn those ideas into reality. Larger populations have more geniuses and with a population about 4.3 times that of the United States, China has at least 4x the number of geniuses that the U.S have. This can be proven statistically.
Consider two standard bell curves, say one with 1.4 billion people and one with 326 million. The number of average people in China is very close to 4.3 times the number of average people in the U.S. That is also true for the top 2% say, which produces scientists, the best business and government people, and the most competent computer programmers. Even there, China would have a 4.3 to 1 advantage, which would be quite an advantage, everything else being equal.
Source: China's Statistical Advantage: Large Populations Have More Geniuses
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