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Because unlike nazi Germany, neither country had spent the previous 7 years preparing at 110% for a European war. Do you imagine the real world is like a computer game were you press a button and fully equipped armies suddenly appear on the map? Or that democratic nations maintain huge standing armies ready to swing into action at a moments notice?
Both the UK and France immediately started mobilising their unprepared nations for war in very late August 1939. Britain on 3rd Sept 1939 IMMEDIATELY dispatched its first regular infantry division to France on 3rd Sept 1939. By Dec 1939 it had just THREE infantry divisions on the continent, and by May 1940 it had just TEN fully equipped (and 3 partially equipped) divisions on the Belgian border. All those conscripted civilians had to be assembled, equipped, sent for training, dispatched to units, then the units had to be transported to their assigned positions on the Belgian border, such a process is known as mobilisation and takes MONTHS.
The French nation, beset by political turmoil throughout the interwar years was a poorly organised and politically undermined and unstable nation. It fumbled its own mobilisation of it reserves and conscription of its population, so much so that it damaged its own economy by its blanket conscription of its skilled workforce, and tens of thousands of men had to be released from military service to restart its war economy. By the time that the western allies had organised anything like a cohesive military force the Germans and soviets had conquered Poland and by then the Wehrmacht had nearly 150 divisions stationed along Germany's western border facing around the same number of allied divisions (including just 10 British "BEF" divisions)... though many of the French divisions were poorly trained, equipped and organised.
As opposed to the idea that the British and French could muster 150 fully trained equipped and organised divisions on "day one".
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@MrAkurvaeletbe Oh so moral relativism rears its thick, slow witted head.... its okay to murder 600 civilians but beyond the pale to murder 20,000? Murder is murder, the Germans initiated the terror bombing in Spain (Guernica), Poland, the Netherlands, the UK, Yugoslavia, Greece and across the whole of the eastern front, but when they themselves are shown how to do it properly only THEN is it a "crime".
Ever heard the saying "what goes round, comes round"?
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Not ANOTHER insidious neo nazi. How come when you dupes say "Hitler never wanted war with Britain and France" you ALWAYS miss off the part that says "until he was ready for it on his OWN terms".
Because of course Hitler laid all his hopes on being left to expand the nazi empire EASTWARDS in peace, assimilate his new found conquests with their collective economies and resources, further build up his military power and only THEN conquer Britain & France, as they had already attempted TWICE BEFORE in the previous 70 years, once in 1870 and again in 1914, the THIRD attempt in 1940 was precipitated by the British and French not sitting and waiting for it to happen on Hitler's terms. If we had've waited the outcome would have been much MUCH different from the destruction of nazism in 1945.
Not confronting Hitler in 1939 would have resulted with Britain by the late 1940s onwards having:
A puppet nazi government, a nazi supporting King Edward VIII restored to the throne, and the UK as a nazi satellite state.
Extermination camps in the Cotswolds, Pennines & Scottish Highlands.
SS Einsatzgruppen stalking the shires looking to find "undesirables" to summarily execute.
All UK males of working age being deported to the reich to be slaved to death in nazi armaments factories or infrastructure projects.
And now, slimy nazi fanbois and other devious loons want the uninformed to think that letting Hitler conduct his plans undisturbed would mean that we would have a Britain today filled with rose cottages, warm beer, bar skittles, morris dancers & village cricket.
How utterly devious those people are, people with greater awareness of the situation don't fall for their nazi apologist nonsense.
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I can only imagine the emotional torment that must have tore at Josef Goebbels' soul after he realised that the luftwaffe had burned and destroyed the "cultural historic centre" of Coventry on the night of 14th Nov 1940 in Operation Moonlight Sonata, where the German's premier "pathfinding" bomber unit KGr 100 used its "X-gerat" precision bombing sytem, which the German's themselves stated could place "target indicators" with a precision of 50 meters at a range of 200 miles, to spread 30,000 incendiaries and 500 tons of bombs on sleeping British civilians, killing hundreds, destroying schools, hospitals and the vital military target of the city's 700 year old cathedral.
Oh wait a minute, no!!! He wasn't tormented at all, instead he light heartedly joked that a new word had entered the dictionary... To "Coventrate", used as the verb to indicate the complete destruction of a town by heavy bombing. Seems that Goebbels forgot the word he'd invented 5 years earlier as in Feb 1945 he failed to announce on German radio that "Dresden has been coventrated".
Did the good burghers of Dresden rise up as one in 1940 to protest at the heinous regime they'd helped to vote into power in 1933 and which had inflicted such unprovoked evil on innocent civilians in that far away English city (and 50 others) in 1940 - 41? No, back then it was all part of the fun game of "total European domination" that the vast majority of the Germany public thought would make them the "master race", but it didn't quite work out did it, no instead it came back to bite them all right on the arse?
"What goes round, comes round", "wind and whirlwind" and all that.
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@andrewavila8682 "attempted to have peace talks", do you mean after invading and enslaving most of continental Europe?
Yes "unprovoked attacks" like the unprovoked toppling of the Austrian government complete with the assasination of its president. The unprovoked subjugation of the entirety of Czechoslovakia, followed by the unprovoked assault on Poland.
So when a serial rapist grabs its third victim do you accuse the person who attempts to stop them of being "the aggressor"?
As for the first bombs dropped, not a single RAF bomb landed on the German mainland until 11th May 1940, as the RAF was forbidden to bomb Germany up until that date (instead preferring to supply Germany's demand for toilet paper by dropping only propaganda leaflets). The guff about a "bombing attack on Wilhelmshaven" on the night of 3/4th september 1939 sometimes offered up as "the first civilian bombing of Germany during WW2" is complete BS. There were NO bombs dropped at all on the city, the attack that uninformed nazi apologists attempt to pass of as "civilian bombing" was actually an attack by 10 Blenheim bombers directed at Kreigsmarine naval vessels in the Jade estuary off the coast of Wilhelmshaven (I.E a legitimate military target far away from the nearest civilians). The RAF was even forbidden from attacking the German warships in port for fear of hitting civilians, and the RAF bombing attack even took place in broad daylight so as to avoid the possiblity of bombing neutral merchant shipping in the area. Unsurprisingly the unescorted RAF light bombers were savaged by defending fighters.
The first bombs dropped by either side onto the actual land of the other was on 13th November 1939 when the luftwaffe bombed RAF Sullom Voe a seaplane base with port facilities in the Shetland Isles (with the resultant death of a rabbit, and no hits on the 9 seaplanes or 2 RN vessels stationed there). The RAF retaliated by hitting the nazi seaplane base at Hörnum on the island of Sylt on 19th March 1940... the very first RAF bombs to land on German soil....4 months AFTER the first German bombs had landed on British soil.
The first civilian fatalities of either side from bombing during WW2 were inflicted by the luftwaffe during an attack on Scapa Flow in the Orkney Islands on 16th March 1940 when German bombs hit the village of Waithe on Orkney killing a 27 year-old County Council employee, James Isbister (luckily, his wife, baby son, and the neighbour James was endeavouring to rescue from her bombed cottage all survived).
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When devious nazi fanboi idiots or assorted uninformed idiots say "Hitler never wanted war with Britain and France" they ALWAYS miss off the part that says "until he was ready for it on his OWN terms".
Because of course Hitler laid all his hopes on being left to expand the nazi empire EASTWARDS in peace, assimilate his new found conquests with their collective economies and resources, further build up his military power and only THEN conquer Britain & France, as they had already attempted TWICE BEFORE in the previous 70 years, once in 1870 and again in 1914, the THIRD attempt in 1940 was precipitated by the British and French not sitting and waiting for it to happen on Hitler's terms. If we had've waited the outcome would have been much MUCH different from the destruction of nazism in 1945.
Not confronting Hitler in 1939 would have resulted with Britain by the late 1940s onwards having:
A puppet nazi government, a nazi supporting King Edward VIII restored to the throne, and the UK as a nazi satellite state.
Extermination camps in the Cotswolds, Pennines & Scottish Highlands.
SS Einsatzgruppen stalking the shires looking to find "undesirables" to summarily execute.
All UK males of working age being deported to the reich to be slaved to death in nazi armaments factories or infrastructure projects.
And now, slimy nazi fanbois and other devious loons want the uninformed to think that letting Hitler conduct his plans undisturbed would mean that we would have a Britain today filled with Rose cottages, warm beer, bar skittles & village cricket.
How utterly devious those people are, people with greater awareness of the situation don't fall for their nazi apologist nonsense.
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Dear oh dear.
More "Britain bombed first" nonsense.
First German bombs dropped on the British mainland?
16th October 1939 saw the very first bombs dropped on Britain when the Germans launched scattered air attacks over port and industrial facilities around the Scottish city of Edinburgh, and the RN naval base at Rosyth.
First bombs dropped by the RAF on German soil?
Although the RAF had launched bomber attacks on Kriegsmarine naval units in the North sea from Sept 3rd 1939 onwards, it was actually the 19th March 1940 that the FIRST RAF bombs landed on German soil... When on 13th November 1939 the luftwaffe bombed RAF Sullom Voe a seaplane base with port facilities in the Shetland Isles (with the resultant death of a rabbit, and no hits on the 9 seaplanes or 2 RN vessels stationed there), the RAF retaliated by hitting the nazi seaplane base at Hörnum on the island of Sylt in the North Sea. These were THE VERY FIRST RAF bombs to land on German soil....5 months AFTER the first German bombs had landed on British soil.
The first British or German civilian casualty caused by the bombing of the opposing side during WW2?
16th March 1940 when German bombs hit the village of "Bridge of Waithe" near Stenness on the Orkney Islands during an attack on the Home Fleet anchorage at Scapa Flow, which killed a 27 year-old County Council employee, James Isbister (luckily, his wife, baby son, and the neighbour James was endeavouring to rescue from her bombed cottage all survived).
First British bombs to drop on the actual German mainland?
11th May 1940, when the British air ministry for the first time allowed the bombing of railway yards, communication centres and bridges west of the Rhine River to interrupt German supply lines supporting their undeclared assault into the NEUTRAL Low countries and France on 10th May 1940. Previous to this date the British air ministry in an effort to stop the inflaming of the conflict had refused to allow the RAF to drop ANY bombs on the German mainland, instead the RAF supplied the German demand for toilet paper by dropping propaganda leaflets on German cities. The RAF attacks on 11th May 1940 had also come after REPEATED attacks against RN installations on the British mainland, most notably at Rosyth near Edinburgh, Cromarty Firth & Scapa Flow all in Scotland throughout the winter of 1939/40.
First British bombs dropped EAST of the Rhine River?
On the night of 23/24th August 1940 the RAF launched an attack on Berlin. This attack directed at the Klingenberg Power Station in Eastern Berlin & Templehof airport was in RETALIATION for REPEATED luftwaffe raids on RAF Fighter Command Sector Airfields within the suburbs of Greater London throughout July and August 1940 that had already caused HUNDREDS of innocent British civilian deaths & casualties (euphemistically known nowadays as "collateral damage") this was inspite of Hitler's previous decrees that no bombs should be dropped within the boundary of Greater London. Obviously that decree had never reached the ears of Herman Goering.
German retaliation for the one night of bombing of Berlin on 23/24th August 1940? The launching of the all out assault against British cities from 7th Sept 1940 onwards, culminating in the world's first attempt to create a "firestorm" during operation "moonlight sonata" on the British city of Coventry on the night of 14/15th Nov 1940, where the luftwaffe sent 575 bombers using their world beating "X-gerat" bombing system (in the Germans own words capable of placing "target indicator" flares with an accuracy of 50 meters at 200 miles range) over the civilian city centre of Coventry dropping 550 tons of high explosive (including hundreds of "flammen" (oil) bombs) followed by over 30,000 incendiary bombs. The final death toll of that single raid? A previously unheard of 568 innocent civilians, this was in addition to the thousands of other British civilians already killed & injured in other cities across Britain over the previous 2 months.
The first British bombing raid directly targetted at German civilians?
"Operation Abigail" on the night of 16/17th December 1940, (3 months AFTER the opening of the nazi "blitz" on British cities) the Dec 16th attack by the RAF was launched against the German city of Mannheim where 100 RAF bombers dropped 100 tons of HE and 14,000 incendiaries inflicting a death toll on the German population of 34 dead and 81 injured.
Not to worry though , the RAF eventually "upped its game" and showed the Germans how to do it properly a year or two later.
Don't try to hide the fact that the Germans enjoyed dropping HE on the cities of its neighbours from the earliest days of flight. The first aerial bombs dropped in history were from a zeppelin raid on Liege in Belgium on 4th August 1914... just 11 years after the invention of powered flight. Since WW2, they've learned the lesson NOT to do it again.
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As I've been saying for YEARS the flooding of Europe with third world migrants thereby destabilising western societies and placing untold strain on our national infrastructures has a distinct parallel to the rise of communism throughout Europe the early 20th century. What is happening in the west today has very strong echoes of the German Weimar republic, political instability..... rapidly increasing cost of living making many feel desperate.... an external force bringing with it an impending national doom, an incompetent and corrupted political class wringing their hands in helplessness as things are being intentionally spiralled out of control..... and then though the darkness and chaos emerges "the man for the moment"..... in each country a potential Hitler in the making, calling out the causes of the choas and promising to lead us back to a better past where we were in control of our own national destinies.
All completely orchestrated by those at the VERY top..... the new authoritarian framework of the WEF, UN, WHO, WB who want to impose RIGID control over the whole of mankind.... corporate globalism. They couldn't just have announced their intentions and taken over multiple, formerly stable, sovereign nations, and so over the last 50 years they've had their "long march through the institutions" and have now subverted those former sovereign govts like a fungus, now those subverted governments intentionally enacted policies to bring each nation to its knees, have instigated a needless "war without end" in Ukraine all with the intention of diverting TRILLIONS of dollars and pounds worth of public taxpayer's money into private globalist corporate MIC bank accounts, terrifying an increasingly poorly educated and subservient population with "fake plagues" of "winter sniffles".... do as you're told, come and get your untested, debilitating "vaccines"... or else !!!!
The old process of "Ordo ab chao" or "Order from the chaos"..... more commonly known as "problem - reaction - solution" who knows? It may end up to be the "final solution"?
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That's YOUR ignorance Sara. During WW2 when Britain still ruled India, 2,500,000 Indians, a large proportion of whom were Sikhs, volunteered to join the British Army of India, fought against the Japanese and Germans defending British Interests, and in doing so earned a right to be British citizens. I'm ALL for stopping this tidal wave of sub Saharan Africans and middle easterners VERY few of whom have ever fought for our benefit, or seek to abide by our rules, but the Sikhs, like the Nepalese Gurkhas are NOT a part of that grouping who have no right to be here.
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@thegreatmr.a3846 Like Sweden the USA up until the German declaration of war upon her on 11th Dec 1941, was neutral, and was "morally" (as if that had ANYTHING to do with matters) entitled to sell to EITHER side of the European war, which is why the precursor to "Lend-Lease" that is the US policy of "Cash and Carry" was passed by US congress in Sept 1939.
The prior US Neutrality Acts of 1935/36/37/early 39 had all completely prohibited the sales of military goods to foreign combattants, as it was publicly felt across the world after WW1 that the fledgling "Military industrial complex" had it's dirty hands in upto the elbows in the continuation of WW1 to "line its own pockets". (How anyone could believe such slander against peace loving arms companies is beyond me).
But under pressure from the ever powerful US "business community" and individual US corporations with their associated "political funding" (a.k.a corruption) the US govt was tacitly forced to acknowledge that US businesses (and consequently the US Govt) was missing out on a BUMPER payday with the outbreak of war in Europe in Sept 1939, and with that in mind the above mentioned "Cash & Carry" policy was passed which for the first time since WWI allowed US companies to sell their wares to foreign combattants, and make HUGE profits in the process.
It was ostensibly a neutral policy whereby ANYONE could conduct legal military business with US companies, as long as they paid up front and made their own arrangements for transportation of the goods purchased, but in practice it was skewed towards the British as it was obvious that the nazi regime would be highly unlikely to be able to transport purchased goods across the Atlantic, but generally the principle of aiding two of your largest competitors to knock seven kinds of shit out of one another while you reap the profits made and still makes good business sense..... even if one of those customers was then beginning their murderous policies against their own and neighbouring populations... who cares, profits are profits !!!!
But, If the US had REALLY wanted to purely "help Britain" in its "hour of need", then instead of bleeding the British empire dry and causing its collapse, they could have, as one example, sold a production license for Tetra Ethyl Lead (or TEL - The compound required for the production of hi-octane fuels) to Britain when we applied to purchase one from the "Standard Oil of Jersey City Company" in 1938.... Instead "Standard Oil" & the US Govt refused to sell one to "their British cousins".
But simultaneously they both had NO qualms though about providing the exact same licence to the nazis when they applied to purchase one prewar. But when it came to Britain the US preferred to strip the British of ALL their gold, cutting edge technology and military bases around the world during the British "hour of need" in return for a supply of amongst other things, US produced hi-octane fuel.
Where there nazi sympathies in the Standard Oil boardroom and in some parts of the US Govt? The truth is so unsavoury were the business practices of the US "Standard Oil" company (such as seeking furtive routes and brokering shady deals to supply nazi Germany with fuel and oil via neutral nations during the war) that it's activities were investigated and closely monitored by the US Govt... but only AFTER the they had been DRAGGED into WW2 in Dec 1941 by the German declaration of war on the US!!!
The reason Britain was refused a TEL license was geopolitical, in that the British empire had a PLENTIFUL supply of oil from its colonies in British Guyana and Persia, whereas Germany did not. Why would the US sell a geopolitical advantage to one of their largest competitors to produce their own Hi-Octane fuel when they could instead milk the British Empire out of all its wealth?
The US "business community" engaged in VERY profitable business dealings with BOTH sides throughout WW2. US corporations such as Ford, General Motors, US Standard Oil, IBM, Kodak, Chase Bank, Coke-Cola (to name but a few) carried on "business as usual" with nazi Germany THROUGHOUT WW2.
Ford's auto production facility in Cologne and General Motor's Opel subsiduary plant in Berlin were both busy working 24/7 THROUGHOUT WW2 furnishing the nazis with approximately 60% of the Wehrmacht's military transportation needs, as well as a sizeable chunk of the Luftwaffe's aero engine requirements... all the better for attacking Britain with eh, and all the while providing US companies with BILLIONS of dollars in profit, and the US govt with millions of dollars of tax revenue
The "ALuminum COrporation of America" (ALCOA) for instance supplied SO much aircraft grade aluminium to nazi Germany in the late 1930s and into the early 1940s that it actually caused shortfalls within the US government's own military aircraft production schedules during the same period, so much so that in June 1941 the situation prompted Harold Ickes, US Secretary of the Interior, to go on record as saying “If America loses this coming war, it can thank the Aluminum Corporation of America”.
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The US "had Britain's back" did it? You do realise that the US business community was greedily making vast profits from BOTH sides of the European war until Germany declared war on you?
The US "business community" engaged in VERY profitable business dealings with BOTH sides throughout WW2. US corporations such as Ford, General Motors, US Standard Oil, IBM, Kodak, Chase Bank (to name but a few) carried on "business as usual" with nazi Germany THROUGHOUT WW2.
Ford's auto production facility in Cologne and General Motor's Opel subsiduary plant in Berlin were both busy working 24/7 THROUGHOUT WW2 furnishing the nazis with approximately 60% of the Wehrmacht's military transportation needs, as well as a sizeable chunk of the Luftwaffe's aero engine requirements... all the better for attacking Britain with eh?
The "ALuminum COrporation of America" (ALCOA) for instance supplied SO much aircraft grade aluminium to nazi Germany in the late 1930s and into the early 1940s that it actually caused shortfalls within the US government's own military aircraft production schedules, so much so that in June 1941 the situation prompted Harold Ickes, US Secretary of the Interior, to go on record as saying “If America loses this coming war, it can thank the Aluminum Corporation of America”.
With "friends" like the US "business community" "watching your back" who needs enemies?
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@czeroxd "Roosevelt redoubled his efforts before Congress to increase the manufacture of weapons and to be able to send them directly to those who fought against Germany"
What nonsense. Roosevelt oversaw the enrichment of US corporations and subsequently the US itself as they supplied both raw materials AND finished equipment and services to BOTH sides of the European war.
The US "saved" NO-ONE. We in the UK BOUGHT supplies from the US, who were also at the same time selling supplies to the nazi regime and made massive profits off the nazis through Ford's auto factory in Cologne and General Motor's Opel subsiduary in Berlin who were amongst the MANY other US corporations who continued to deal with nazi Germany THROUGHOUT WW2.
We in the UK bought supplies in exactly the same way as Germany bought millions of tons of raw and finished materials, food and fuel from the US, USSR, Romania, Finland, Sweden, the Balkans, and the collective raped economies of her European conquests.
Meanwhile Britain survived ALONE against the full might of the Wehrmacht for a full TWELVE MONTHS, without a single US serviceman helping, thereby saving the idiot US from it's own "isolationist's nightmare" of being sandwiched between a nazi controlled Europe and a Japense controlled Asia.
The UK saved ITSELF, INSPITE of the US as much as it did BECAUSE of the US.
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Another clueless lefty.... the UK DID stand alone, that is unless you can provide us with the details of the luftwaffe air assaults on Canberra, Ottawa, Delhi and Wellington? Or how the Wehrmacht stood poised to launch its invasion of the Indian sub continent or Canada? Or how the Kriegsmarine attempted to strangle the British Empire out of the war by enforcing a u-boat blockade of Australia and New Zealand?
Oh news just coming in...... NONE OF THOSE THINGS HAPPENED because the ONLY nation facing ALL of those threats between July 1940 and April 1941 was the United Kingdom ALONE.
And if you want to correctly argue that Britain was supplied by its empire and the US then remember to add that nazi Germany was also supplied by its OWN empire of its recent European conquests (including some of the most heavily industrialised nations on the planet), as well as MILLIONS of tons of food, fuel and raw materials from their "best friend forever" the USSR (well, at least until 22nd June 1941), and also from Spain, Finland, Sweden & the Balkan countries... oh and not forgetting that US owned companies also supplied HUGE amounts of raw and finished materials to the nazis AS WELL as it did to the British, being a neutral profiteering bystander as it was until Dec 1941!!!
In 1940 Britain saved itself INSPITE of the US as much as it did BECAUSE of the US.
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Luckily more intelligent people than yourself were directing the war aims of the British Empire at the time.
When devious nazi fanboi idiots and other assorted uninformed loons such as yourself say "Hitler never wanted war with Britain and France" they ALWAYS miss off the part that says "until he was ready for it on his OWN terms".
Because of course Hitler laid all his hopes on being left to expand the nazi empire EASTWARDS in peace, assimilate his new found conquests with their collective economies and resources, further build up his military power and only THEN conquer France followed by Britain (or possibly impose a crushing "pax Germanica" on the UK as they did with Vichy France), they had already attempted such a feat TWICE BEFORE in the previous 70 years, once in 1870 and again in 1914, the THIRD attempt in 1940 was precipitated by the British and French not sitting and waiting for it to happen on Hitler's terms. If we had've waited the outcome would have been much MUCH different from the destruction of nazism in 1945.
Not confronting Hitler in 1939 would have resulted with Britain by the late 1940s onwards having:
A puppet nazi government, a nazi supporting King Edward VIII restored to the throne, and the UK as a nazi satellite state.
Extermination camps in the Cotswolds, Pennines & Scottish Highlands.
SS Einsatzgruppen stalking the shires looking to find "undesirables" to summarily execute.
All UK males of working age being deported to the reich to be slaved to death in nazi armaments factories or infrastructure projects.
And now, slimy nazi fanbois and other devious loons want the uninformed to think that letting Hitler conduct his plans undisturbed would mean that we would have a Britain today filled with Rose cottages, warm beer, bar skittles, Morris dancers & village cricket.
How utterly devious those people are, people with greater awareness of the situation don't fall for their nazi apologist nonsense.
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@nickarnold814 Sorry for the late reply, YT increasingly does not bother to notify me of replies, and I just stumbled on your question.
The reason that Britain and France drew that final "line in the sand" at the Polish border for Germany (after the German re-militarisation of the Rhineland, the Anscluss of Austria, the Sudeten deal and the subsequent occupation of the rest of Czechoslovakia) was quite simple, they believed that the nazi leadership would be intimidated by the prospect of war with the combined economic might of the British & French empires, a potential repeat of the bloodbath of WW1, and hoped that it would cause the Germans to think again about crossing the Polish border.
When the Germans ignored the warning, the two tired and unprepared nations were forced to make good on their threat of war. Rest assured if they hadn't then Germany would have then gone on to cement it's alliances in the Balkans, assimilated the economies and resources of its new found acquisitions, further strengthened it's military and only THEN attacked France and Britain on it's own German terms, the same as it had already TWICE done in the previous 70 years.... once in 1870 and again in 1914.
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Postwar research showed that in total 558,032 people, (368,491 of them being British troops or 66%) were evacuated from France by operations "Dynamo" & "Aerial".
The numbers evacuated from the Dunkirk pocket alonewere.
203,000 British troops,
112,000 French troops
23,000 Belgian troops.
The BEF suffered 66,426 casualties, that was 11,014 killed or died of wounds, 14,074 wounded and 41,338 men missing or taken prisoner
The BEF lost one seventh of its personnel killed and captured, because the TEN BEF divisions on the Belgian border were left isolated by the unannounced withdrawal of the French first army on their right flank, and collapse of the Belgian forces on their left.
The Perimeter of the Dunkirk pocket was manned by British, French and Belgian troops, which fought to allow British French and Belgian troops be evacuated MOSTLY by the RN and British "little ships".
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@yingyang1008 You're wrong. Even by weaselly reducing the discussion to purely the British and Germans the first to "bomb another city" was the Germans in EVERY sense.
The first bombs to fall on the land of EITHER country? The Luftwaffe attack on RAF Sullom Voe in the Shetland Islands on 13th November 1939. The RAF RESPONDED by dropping THEIR first bombs on German soil by attacking the German seaplane base on the island of Sylt on 19th March 1940, FOUR MONTHS after the first of repeated German air attacks on RAF and Royal Navy bases on the British mainland. Prior to the RAF's attack on Sylt in March 1940, they had been prohibited by the British government from dropping ANY bombs on German soil whatsoever, instead preferring to avoid civilian casualties by supplying the German demand for toilet paper by dropping propaganda leaflets over German cities.
The first civilian bombing casualty of either of the two countries was a Mr James Isbister who on 16th March 1940 was killed in the village of Brig o' Waithe in the Orkney islands during a luftwaffe attack on Scapa Flow. The first RAF bombs to land on the German mainland fell on May 11th 1940, and were likewise ostensibly directed at military targets such as Bridges and railyards west of the river Rhine to disrupt the supply of the German armies then attacking France and the Low countries. Both sides in striking designated non civilian targets regularly caused what is quaintly known as "collateral civilian casualties" (Remember while we're discussing this we're ignoring the direct aerial assaults of the nazis on Polish towns and cities in the east and the bombing of Rotterdam and the aerial attacks executed against the roads of France clogged with hundreds of thousands of refugees fleeing from the invading German armies in the west).
The attack on Berlin on the night of 23/24th August 1940 that you attempt to portray as the "first civilian bombing", was also targetted at valid non civilian targets, those being the Klingenburg power station in eastern Berlin and Templehof airport. That attack was a DIRECT RESPONSE to what the suburbs of London had been exposed to for the PREVIOUS MONTH during luftwaffe attacks on the RAF fighter airfields of Hornchurch, Biggin Hill, Kenley & Croydon ALL of which were situated in suburban areas of Greater London, and which had resulted in HUNDREDS of innocent British civilian deaths. The German response to the attack on Berlin took place from 7th September 1940 onwards with widespread attacks on London and 50 other British towns and cities, culminating in operation "Moonlight sonata" the then LARGEST firebombing attack on a city to that date, the target being Coventry on the night of 13th Nov 1940.
In RESPONSE to that unmittigated assault on innocent civilians the RAF planned and launched its FIRST purposely civilian targetted bombing raid of the war, that being "Operation Abigail" on the night of 16th December 1940 against the German city of Mannheim.
Don't try to hide the fact that the Germans enjoyed dropping HE on the cities of its neighbours from the earliest days of flight. The first aerial bombs dropped in history were from a zeppelin raid on Bruges in Belgium in August 1914... just 11 years after the invention of powered flight. Since WW2, they've learned the lesson NOT to do it again.
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@yingyang1008 P.S at the time that the nazis were incinerating British civilians in 1940, the USSR was happily supplying the nazis with millions of tons of oil, raw materials, and foodstuffs to enable them to conquer continantal Europe, hoping to keep the nazis occupied devastating western Europe while the commies built theselves up for the struggle that everyone knew was inevitable. We only allied with the communists to destroy the more clear and present danger to Europe (nazism), and then when that was done the cold war started.
Save your lefty whinging about the British empire while completely ignoring the failed world empires of almost ALL European nations..... the French, German, Dutch, Italian, Belgian, Spanish, Portuguese all had exploitative and ruthless imperial pretentions, not forgetting the many many empires that have spread their conquerors "cultures" far and wide since the beginning of mankind, and each and EVERY one of them was run as ruthlessly as the British, so don't expect any regrets its the way of the world to this day, only now it is stateless international corporate globalists doing the empire building.
Yes if the German population HAD risen to complain about the murders of others then of course it would have changed the course of events.... only died in teh wool programmed Brit haters as yourself would believe otherwise.
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@patriciabrenner9216 Or Liverpool, Plymouth, Hull, Glasgow, Bristol, Southampton, Sunderland, Newcastle, Swansea, Leningrad, Stalingrad, Moscow.
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Its what happens when you start attacking your neighbours without warning. If you don't want Dresden to happen to you, don't go around doing it to others first of all.
Guernica, Weilun, Warsaw, Rotterdam, London, Coventry, Liverpool, Plymouth, Southampton, Hull, Glasgow, Swansea, Leningrad, Stalingrad, Moscow..... ALL were plastered with nazi bombs BEFORE any serious bombing of Germany took place.
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@rosemarycharles7164 Yes the globalist reshaping of the world has been in the pipeline for a long time, BUT My SINCERE advice to you Mary is :
STOP watching the news
STOP reading the newspapers
Be VERY selective on what you watch on youtube.
And if you can, try to encourage your family to wean themselves of the "idiot box in the living room", and it will be all for the better.
If you can live your life by filling it with ALL the things that make you happy and positive, family, nature, hobbies, dog walking, maybe some local charitable work or whatever else gives you pleasure and simultaneously remove as much of this spirit crushing nonsense that is now being foisted on us, it will ALL be to your advantage, as it will make NO DIFFERENCE if you pay attention to all this current chaos or not. Live your live in the "here and now" of your own "happy bubble" (and hopefully get your family to do the same).
Remember that most people in this once wonderful country of ours are STILL kind natured and beautiful.
And like Nick Ross used to say at the end of crimewatch, "sleep well & don't have nightmares".
God Bless Rosemary.
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@rosemarycharles7164 Yes the globalist reshaping of the world has been in the pipeline for a long time, BUT My SINCERE advice to you Mary is :
STOP watching the news
STOP reading the newspapers
Be VERY selective on what you watch on youtube.
And if you can, try to encourage your family to wean themselves of the "idiot box in the living room", and it will be all for the better.
If you can live your life by filling it with ALL the things that make you happy and positive, family, nature, hobbies, dog walking, maybe some local charitable work or whatever else gives you pleasure and simultaneously remove as much of this spirit crushing nonsense that is now being foisted on us, it will ALL be to your advantage, as it will make NO DIFFERENCE if you pay attention to all this current chaos or not. Live your life in the "here and now" of your own "happy bubble" (and hopefully get your family to do the same).
Remember that most people in this once wonderful country of ours are STILL kind natured and beautiful.
And like Nick Ross used to say at the end of crimewatch, "sleep well & don't have nightmares".
God Bless Rosemary.
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@heartsofiron4ever Who says the bombing of industry was "largely ineffective"?
Albert Speer (who knew more about the situation than contemporary lefty commentators) told Hitler after "Operation Millenium" (the bombing of Cologne in May 1942) that If the allies were able to launch 6 more raids of that scale in quick succession then the Germans would be forced out of the war. "Ineffective" eh?
What allied bombing accomplished was substantial in contributing to Germany’s defeat. The Anglo-American bombing offensive brought the war to the German people long before their armies were forced back onto German soil. In a war in which the effort of civilian workers on the production lines was as essential to victory as the fighting of the soldiers on the front lines, the very existence of the strategic bombing offensive encouraged US and British civilians and inflicted pain and suffering on the enemy. The British may have devoted 40 to 50 percent of their total war production to the air forces; the United States expended up to 35 percent; and the Germans up to 40 percent. German war production increased throughout the war, reaching its peak in the third quarter of 1944. Strategic air bombardment beyond ANY doubt kept that production increase from reaching stratospheric levels.
It forced the dispersion of factories and the building of underground facilities, made German production more vulnerable to transportation disruption, lowered production by forcing on German industry smaller, more labor-intensive, production facilities that denied the Germans the manufacturing economies of scale available to the allies, it disorganized workers’ lives, and lowered their productivity. In ways great and small and utterly incalculable strategic bombing made German war production less efficient and effective than it would have been if the bombers had not flown night after night and day after day.
Strategic bombing also forced the Germans into an enormous defense and reconstruction effort, diverting German aircraft manufacture almost exclusively into fighter and interceptor production. The bombing of oil not only limited mobility, but as a side effect greatly reduced nitrogen production, hampering the manufacture of explosives and fertilizers. By 1944, Germany had two million soldiers, civilians, and prisoners of war engaged in Reich antiaircraft defense, more than the total number of workers in its aircraft industry. And on any given day or night, most of this huge force, spread across the length & breadth of Germany to defend all targets, stood idle, while the Allied bombers struck only a relatively few areas.
An additional million workers were engaged in repair and rebuilding; the maintenance of the nazi oil industry alone (used for the rebuilding of oil production facilities NOT the actual oil production effort itself) absorbed 250,000 workers. Albert Speer estimated that 30 percent of total gun output and 20 percent of heavy ammunition output was directed towards air defense, a significant loss to the front line ground forces of high velocity weapons suitable for antitank defense. It took an average of 16,000 88 mm flak shells to bring down a single Allied heavy bomber. Speer further estimated that 50 percent of electro-technical production and one-third of the optical industry was devoted to radar and signals equipment for the antiaircraft effort, further starving the front lines of essential communications equipment.
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