Comments by "" (@walterkronkitesleftshoe6684) on "The SHOCKING Real Story of the Dresden Firestorm" video.
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@MrAkurvaeletbe Oh so moral relativism rears its thick, slow witted head.... its okay to murder 600 civilians but beyond the pale to murder 20,000? Murder is murder, the Germans initiated the terror bombing in Spain (Guernica), Poland, the Netherlands, the UK, Yugoslavia, Greece and across the whole of the eastern front, but when they themselves are shown how to do it properly only THEN is it a "crime".
Ever heard the saying "what goes round, comes round"?
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I can only imagine the emotional torment that must have tore at Josef Goebbels' soul after he realised that the luftwaffe had burned and destroyed the "cultural historic centre" of Coventry on the night of 14th Nov 1940 in Operation Moonlight Sonata, where the German's premier "pathfinding" bomber unit KGr 100 used its "X-gerat" precision bombing sytem, which the German's themselves stated could place "target indicators" with a precision of 50 meters at a range of 200 miles, to spread 30,000 incendiaries and 500 tons of bombs on sleeping British civilians, killing hundreds, destroying schools, hospitals and the vital military target of the city's 700 year old cathedral.
Oh wait a minute, no!!! He wasn't tormented at all, instead he light heartedly joked that a new word had entered the dictionary... To "Coventrate", used as the verb to indicate the complete destruction of a town by heavy bombing. Seems that Goebbels forgot the word he'd invented 5 years earlier as in Feb 1945 he failed to announce on German radio that "Dresden has been coventrated".
Did the good burghers of Dresden rise up as one in 1940 to protest at the heinous regime they'd helped to vote into power in 1933 and which had inflicted such unprovoked evil on innocent civilians in that far away English city (and 50 others) in 1940 - 41? No, back then it was all part of the fun game of "total European domination" that the vast majority of the Germany public thought would make them the "master race", but it didn't quite work out did it, no instead it came back to bite them all right on the arse?
"What goes round, comes round", "wind and whirlwind" and all that.
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@andrewavila8682 "attempted to have peace talks", do you mean after invading and enslaving most of continental Europe?
Yes "unprovoked attacks" like the unprovoked toppling of the Austrian government complete with the assasination of its president. The unprovoked subjugation of the entirety of Czechoslovakia, followed by the unprovoked assault on Poland.
So when a serial rapist grabs its third victim do you accuse the person who attempts to stop them of being "the aggressor"?
As for the first bombs dropped, not a single RAF bomb landed on the German mainland until 11th May 1940, as the RAF was forbidden to bomb Germany up until that date (instead preferring to supply Germany's demand for toilet paper by dropping only propaganda leaflets). The guff about a "bombing attack on Wilhelmshaven" on the night of 3/4th september 1939 sometimes offered up as "the first civilian bombing of Germany during WW2" is complete BS. There were NO bombs dropped at all on the city, the attack that uninformed nazi apologists attempt to pass of as "civilian bombing" was actually an attack by 10 Blenheim bombers directed at Kreigsmarine naval vessels in the Jade estuary off the coast of Wilhelmshaven (I.E a legitimate military target far away from the nearest civilians). The RAF was even forbidden from attacking the German warships in port for fear of hitting civilians, and the RAF bombing attack even took place in broad daylight so as to avoid the possiblity of bombing neutral merchant shipping in the area. Unsurprisingly the unescorted RAF light bombers were savaged by defending fighters.
The first bombs dropped by either side onto the actual land of the other was on 13th November 1939 when the luftwaffe bombed RAF Sullom Voe a seaplane base with port facilities in the Shetland Isles (with the resultant death of a rabbit, and no hits on the 9 seaplanes or 2 RN vessels stationed there). The RAF retaliated by hitting the nazi seaplane base at Hörnum on the island of Sylt on 19th March 1940... the very first RAF bombs to land on German soil....4 months AFTER the first German bombs had landed on British soil.
The first civilian fatalities of either side from bombing during WW2 were inflicted by the luftwaffe during an attack on Scapa Flow in the Orkney Islands on 16th March 1940 when German bombs hit the village of Waithe on Orkney killing a 27 year-old County Council employee, James Isbister (luckily, his wife, baby son, and the neighbour James was endeavouring to rescue from her bombed cottage all survived).
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Its what happens when you start attacking your neighbours without warning. If you don't want Dresden to happen to you, don't go around doing it to others first of all.
Guernica, Weilun, Warsaw, Rotterdam, London, Coventry, Liverpool, Plymouth, Southampton, Hull, Glasgow, Swansea, Leningrad, Stalingrad, Moscow..... ALL were plastered with nazi bombs BEFORE any serious bombing of Germany took place.
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@patriciabrenner9216 Or Liverpool, Plymouth, Hull, Glasgow, Bristol, Southampton, Sunderland, Newcastle, Swansea, Leningrad, Stalingrad, Moscow.
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@yingyang1008 P.S at the time that the nazis were incinerating British civilians in 1940, the USSR was happily supplying the nazis with millions of tons of oil, raw materials, and foodstuffs to enable them to conquer continantal Europe, hoping to keep the nazis occupied devastating western Europe while the commies built theselves up for the struggle that everyone knew was inevitable. We only allied with the communists to destroy the more clear and present danger to Europe (nazism), and then when that was done the cold war started.
Save your lefty whinging about the British empire while completely ignoring the failed world empires of almost ALL European nations..... the French, German, Dutch, Italian, Belgian, Spanish, Portuguese all had exploitative and ruthless imperial pretentions, not forgetting the many many empires that have spread their conquerors "cultures" far and wide since the beginning of mankind, and each and EVERY one of them was run as ruthlessly as the British, so don't expect any regrets its the way of the world to this day, only now it is stateless international corporate globalists doing the empire building.
Yes if the German population HAD risen to complain about the murders of others then of course it would have changed the course of events.... only died in teh wool programmed Brit haters as yourself would believe otherwise.
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@yingyang1008 You're wrong. Even by weaselly reducing the discussion to purely the British and Germans the first to "bomb another city" was the Germans in EVERY sense.
The first bombs to fall on the land of EITHER country? The Luftwaffe attack on RAF Sullom Voe in the Shetland Islands on 13th November 1939. The RAF RESPONDED by dropping THEIR first bombs on German soil by attacking the German seaplane base on the island of Sylt on 19th March 1940, FOUR MONTHS after the first of repeated German air attacks on RAF and Royal Navy bases on the British mainland. Prior to the RAF's attack on Sylt in March 1940, they had been prohibited by the British government from dropping ANY bombs on German soil whatsoever, instead preferring to avoid civilian casualties by supplying the German demand for toilet paper by dropping propaganda leaflets over German cities.
The first civilian bombing casualty of either of the two countries was a Mr James Isbister who on 16th March 1940 was killed in the village of Brig o' Waithe in the Orkney islands during a luftwaffe attack on Scapa Flow. The first RAF bombs to land on the German mainland fell on May 11th 1940, and were likewise ostensibly directed at military targets such as Bridges and railyards west of the river Rhine to disrupt the supply of the German armies then attacking France and the Low countries. Both sides in striking designated non civilian targets regularly caused what is quaintly known as "collateral civilian casualties" (Remember while we're discussing this we're ignoring the direct aerial assaults of the nazis on Polish towns and cities in the east and the bombing of Rotterdam and the aerial attacks executed against the roads of France clogged with hundreds of thousands of refugees fleeing from the invading German armies in the west).
The attack on Berlin on the night of 23/24th August 1940 that you attempt to portray as the "first civilian bombing", was also targetted at valid non civilian targets, those being the Klingenburg power station in eastern Berlin and Templehof airport. That attack was a DIRECT RESPONSE to what the suburbs of London had been exposed to for the PREVIOUS MONTH during luftwaffe attacks on the RAF fighter airfields of Hornchurch, Biggin Hill, Kenley & Croydon ALL of which were situated in suburban areas of Greater London, and which had resulted in HUNDREDS of innocent British civilian deaths. The German response to the attack on Berlin took place from 7th September 1940 onwards with widespread attacks on London and 50 other British towns and cities, culminating in operation "Moonlight sonata" the then LARGEST firebombing attack on a city to that date, the target being Coventry on the night of 13th Nov 1940.
In RESPONSE to that unmittigated assault on innocent civilians the RAF planned and launched its FIRST purposely civilian targetted bombing raid of the war, that being "Operation Abigail" on the night of 16th December 1940 against the German city of Mannheim.
Don't try to hide the fact that the Germans enjoyed dropping HE on the cities of its neighbours from the earliest days of flight. The first aerial bombs dropped in history were from a zeppelin raid on Bruges in Belgium in August 1914... just 11 years after the invention of powered flight. Since WW2, they've learned the lesson NOT to do it again.
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