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  1. Bismarck's main armour belt extended 2.3 meters below and 2.4 meters above the waterline (As can be seen at 6:43). To intentionally & directly strike that long, narrow strake of armour, showing above the water's surface even from the range of sub 3000m that HMS Rodney closed to whilst making headway in a heavy stormy North Atlantic swell would be nigh on impossible. As the report clearly says "the very large number of hits on the main belt WERE MOSTLY IF NOT ALL FROM SECONDARY guns". A number of the major calibre hits that impacted that long narrow main armour belt more than likely ricochetted off the surface of the sea due to the relatively short range and flattened trajectories involved and lost a large part of their momentum as they did so, that is apart from the two penetrations which were probably the only two direct major calibre hits on the 320mm armour belt.. Gun data for Rodney's 16"/45 Mark I main guns shows their penetration ability as 14.4 inches of vertical armour at 15000 yards. She was firing a LOT closer than this for much of the engagement, so even taking into account her shells striking the main belt at a reasonable angle she would have very little problem with penetrating Bismarck's main belt of 320mm (12.6 inches). The principle is the same as arguing a dart cannot penetrate the skin of a balloon from 2 miles away. To which the answer is "of course it can.... if it can manage to hit it". P.S And don't even get me started about Bismarck's wiki page. I've lost count of the exchanges I've had with the page's "self appointed guardian" A.K.A Parsecboy, who polices the page using his jaded, biased agenda, and who when presented with corroborated evidence supporting facts which he doesn't like (such as admiralty reports from the UK national archives), or even correcting blatant errors or misrepresentations on the page, he as a "wiki approved editor" deletes any changes he doesn't like with impunity, and if you've really rubbed his nose in it, will also temporarily ban your IP address from editing wikipedia at all. Not that it "gets my goat"... HONESTLY !!!!
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  2. My uncle, who passed away 2 years ago was a member of the RAE (Royal Aircraft Estabishment) at Farnborough in Kent, UK during WW2. He was one day ordered to stabilise a Spitfire V that was having its guns (including 2 x 20mm hispano MkII cannons) synchronised. He said that after the firing had concluded he collapsed and when he came round minutes later in the first aid hut, he had blood pouring from both his ears. He had to wait until 1987 to receive a disability pension from the UK Govt for the damaged hearing he suffered with all of his adult life as a result of the incident. I imagine this would cause similar damage.
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  3. The British "tallboy" and "Grand Slam" bombs were NOT blast bombs, but deep penetration "Earthquake bombs". British "blast bombs" were prefixed with the letters "HC" for "high capacity" (referring to the proportion of explosive filling in relation to the casing of the bomb) the most commonly used being the "HC4000" which weighed 4000lbs as compared to the 5500lbs of the "SC2500".
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  4. Midshipman Joe Brooks was reprimanded by Captain Benjamin of HMS Dorsetshire for his actions. He eventaully served on Royal Navy X-craft "midget subs", and won the distinguised service cross for his part in a submerged attack on a floating dock in Trondheim, Norway in 1944.
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  5. My brother-in-law was the manager of the "Safeway" store in the Manchester Arndale Centre on 15th June 1996. On his rounds he noticed a sudden rush of people outside the front of the store all in the same direction, and wondered what was happening, he ran out to ask a passer by who said she'd heard there had been a bomb alert in the centre. He'd received no police advice or contact, and so tried to liaise with any police nearby but couldn't find any and so then made the decision to evacuate the store immediately, which on a Saturday afternoon would have cost the store fifty plus thousand pounds in takings, and If nothing had happened would also have cost him his job as well. 10 minutes after the store was declared empty a 1½ ton IRA bomb detonated 200 yards from the store and ripped the entire front off the building. Fortunately no one was killed but over 200 were injured. It's almost certain that his decisive actions saved MANY fatalities in the store that day.
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  6. Well it is a quite significant emotion event, saying goodbye to your wife and son and then being forced to commit suicide by your boss.
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  7. Complete rubbish Mareczek, Polish 303 Squadron had the highest confirmed kill rate of 58.5 kills during the battle, and therefore Polish 302 Squadron had less than that figure. I cannot find the individual kill tally for 302 Polish squadron but being less than 303's 58.5 kills I suggest total Polish kills during the battle were around 100 kills, That is 100 kills from the total luftwaffe losses of +1900 aircraft, therefore the Poles accounted for approximately one luftwaffe aircraft in twenty, and NOT six. The top scoring pilots in fighter command during the battle of Britain were as follows. Eric Lock - 21 James Lacey - 18 Archie McKellar - 17.5 Josef Frantisek - 17 Colin Gray - 15.5 Seems to be a distinct lack of Polish names there to support your claim of Polish "super pilots". But this is not me demeaning the Polish fliers who we still gratefully honour to this day at EVERY remembrance day parade I've attended over the last 40 years in the UK, but merely to deflate your baseless claims which seek to demean the courage of ALL the pilots of fighter command in order to inflate the effectiveness of the Poles.
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  8. I was a fireman through the 1980s in Merseyside UK, and well remember carrying out weekly "standard testing" of radiation monitoring equipment that we carried on the brigade's "Emergency tender"... It was quite shock to switch on the radiation "Survey meters" and hear them crackling merrily away a week or two after Chernobyl. Farms across the country were affected by the fall out on the land being concentrated into livestock and milk production.
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  9.  @patrickspringer6534  Aye true, But as with the likes of "covid marshalls" he appears to be an inadequate given wikipedia "authority" far in excess his wisdom & abilities. It's why people should beware using wikipedia as a source.
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  10. ​ @Salamandra40k  US produced a total of 271 tons of synthetic rubber during the whole of 1940. After losing access to their supply of natural rubber from Asia due to Japanese military expansion and by the application of US industrial might and financing through 1940-43 by 1944 they were producing 20,000 tons of synthetic rubber a MONTH.
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  11. Nice idea, but with one ENORMOUS drawback..... Brits would prefer it if it was a depiction of the true story about a largely unsung British hero with "salt of the earth" British crews fighting alone against a deadly foe, as opposed to 5 star Admiral Freddy "Hotshot" Walker USN winning the war single handed for the US.
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  12.  @_ArsNova  WTF were "the Royal Navy under "no stop" orders"? Both HMS Dorsetshire & HMS Maori were directly ordered to pick up survivors by Admiral Tovey. As for your cooment "the dire conditions of those that were rescued", I assume you mean after having floated traumatised for 90 minutes in the oil covered raging north Atlantic, and not the conditions they were kept in onboard the RN ships. Read ANY survviors account and witness the dignity and humanity that was afforded each and every sailor that was rescued, 3 hot meals a day, supplied with rum, sweets and cigarettes, the best medical treatment available for the injured and a full military funeral for the one German sailor who died the following day. If you've any complaints about the events, direct them at Eitel-Freidrich Kentrat, the commander of U-74 who was in the area at the time, and whose periscope it was that was spotted, and which brought the rescue operations to an early end.
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  13. "The other hawks" such as Hitler, Mussolini?
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  14. Non military industries were quickly adapted to switch their production to military purposes. Another example was the allies Mk 24 mine which was actually an acoustic homing torpedo (known as "FIDO") which was used against diving U-boats in WW2 and which was powered by a 7.5 hp off-the-shelf General Electric Washing Machine electric motor.
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  15. Taken my eye off the ball over the years. Built MANY systems (and NOT blown or damaged a single component in the process) but was NOT aware that PSU cables are now potentially non-interchangeable !!! I really thought the PSU pinouts were an industry standard. Luckily I've never swapped cables, always using the ones that come with the PSU, but forewarned is forearmed, and I thank you for that snippet alone, and stopping the possible financial loss that would ensue if I'd continued to be ignorant of it.
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  16. God bless her. Respect.
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  17. Lots of people waking up to the truth that the "CMC" had TWO sides to the story, of which most in the west only know one side. But when talking of Turkey remember that the "Jupiter" missiles were also based in Italy and were removed from there too.
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  18.  @marksheen4873  So you think the UK and France should have just ignored a powerful European nation with a history of loathing for France & trouble making within Europe, that had just engulfed, Austria, Czechoslovakia, and Poland?
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  19.  @SwedishEmpire1700  I've walked though man made caves in the Italian Dolomites from WW1... and THEY'RE "eerie" as well, inspite of them not being nazi fortifications. Its to do with individual perception, the realisation of remote subterranean spaces where generations ago people had intense experiences, you need a degree of historic appreciation & human empathy. If you've not got it, then you've not got it.
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  20. Of all the names of the flower class corvettes the only one that was rejected by the RN Ships’ Names and Badges Committee, Was "HMS Pansy" which was renamed to "HMS Heartsease" before its completion.
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  21. My father (Ldg/st KX 108902 Stanley Higgins) was a stoker onboard HMS Dorsetshire From June 1940 until her sinking in April 1942. During the final Bismarck action on 27th May 1941, he was off watch from his stoker's station in the boiler rooms, and was at his action station in a damage control party. Part way through the action he was told by the party leader to go "up top" to see what was happening, and he witnessed the flaming, smoke shrouded wreck of Bismarck being pounded before its sinking. After being stood down from action stations, all available hands were called to "man the sides" and help in the rescue of the Bismarck's survivors. he took part in the rescues, and during his assistance, one particular survivor called Friedrich Junghans, gave dad his "erkennungsmarke" or ID tag in gratitude. It is currently on display in the Merseyside maritime museum in Liverpool, UK. 11 months later on 5th April 1942, at the time of Dorsetshire's own sinking, he was again very luckily off-watch from the boiler rooms ("lucky" as no-one on duty there survived the sinking) and was again called to action stations, at this time he was a leader of a damage control party up near the Dorsetshire's bows adjacent to the ships "paint locker". Very shortly after the commencement of the Japanese air attack, all comms in the ship were lost, though it was all too apparent that Dorsetshire was receiving a heavy pounding, with the ship heeling over and quaking from the impact of the Japanese bombs and the many near misses. During the chaos and din of the Japanese dive bombing attack, one concussion dislodged a length of heavy suction hose from a bracket on the compartment's bulkhead, the heavy, solid hose, known as an "elephant's foot", hit dad on the head, knocking him senseless for several seconds. On regaining his wits in the now blacked out darkness of the compartment, sensing that the ship was starting to list heavily, he ordered the party to get on the upper deck via a ladder leading to the "bosun's hatch" in the compartment roof. The first man up the ladder shouted that he couldn't unlatch the hatch "dogs". and dad used a crowbar to release the latches and the party crawled out into the burning sunlight on the rapidly inclining foredeck. One party member, a South African named David van Zyl, confided to dad that he couldn't swim and despite desperate pleas from dad for him to jump overboard, he tragically went down with the ship, the rest of the party all survived. The two cruisers each had a complement of approx 650-700 men on board. After both were sunk, only one intact lifeboat remained afloat from the two ships, This was used to hold the many severely injured sailors while the less heavily wounded and healthy (including my dad), had to cling to assorted flotsam. The sinkings took place at around 2:00pm on a sunday afternoon, they floated through the first night, and right through the following Monday, suffering horrible burns under the tropical sun whilst being crusted in salt from the seawater, dad said the saving grace was the men slathered themselves in thick oil from the sunken ships fuel tanks which began to surface a couple of hours after the ships had gone down, this gave some protection and relief, but they all increasingly believed that in their exhausted state that they were to die during that second night. The British Eastern fleet commander was aware that the two ships were overdue and mercifully sent a light cruiser and 2 destroyers to make a sweep. But it was a Fairey Swordfish from Ceylon that spotted a reflection of the rays of the dying sun on a biscuit tin that had been tied to an oar and held upright being rotated by a man in the boat full of wounded. A message was sent from the aircraft and shortly before sunset, the 3 ships (HMS Emerald, Panther & Paladin) arrived on the scene and rescued 1120 sailors from the approximately 1400 men who were on this ships before their sinking, after having spent 33 hours clinging to wreckage. He "Crossed the bar" in 2013 aged 93. Great vid as usual from your channel, all the best.
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  22. Terribly sad news, Deepest sympathy for Michael's family. It's SO bloody easy to make a casual misjudgement and over reach your endurance. A few years back I was on holiday in Portugal. We were on the beach at Praia de Falecia under a hired sunshade for the afternoon. Bit of swimming.... bit of sunbathing... but not being as much of a sun worshipper as my wife, I decided to go for a walk along the beach as there was a light breeze on a warm day.... it was beautiful, and I hadn't a care in the world. I'd walked for just over an hour in the direction of Faro with the sun behind me, when I thought, I'd best turn back. As soon as I turned around and walked for a minute I realised that the sun was BLISTERINGLY hot, inspite of my sun hat and light summer clothing, I'd drank two thirds of my water, and there was a stretch of beach probably a mile and a half where there was nobody and no facilities that I then had to traverse. I'm NOT stupid, I'm a resourceful, strapping six footer, I've served a full 30 years as a frontline fireman and KNOW well the symptoms of heat stress, syncope & stroke, and I very quickly realised I was in trouble, but suffice to say I made it back to where my wife was starting to worry about me, and when she saw me she knew that I'd taken a beating off the sun.... even through my hat the skin of my forehead had blistered and had started to bleed, I had stopped sweating and was bone dry, and I was also, according to her, more than slightly "incoherent". If I had not been on a beach where I had only to determinedly follow the waterline to return to my starting point, and instead been on a featureless, barren, rocky landscape such as that that Michael appears to have inadvertantly stumbled into and traversed then I think I may well have succumbed the same way that he and many others over the years have sadly done. Its how a beautiful sunny day with family can unexpectedly slip into a fatal tragedy, because of a simple misjudgement. It is SO easy to underestimate the conditions, overestimate your own endurance, and if you have no awareness of the symptoms of the onset of heat stroke, then your thinking and judgement processes VERY quickly become impaired. I can see that is EXACTLY what has happened to unfortunate Mr Mosley. It does surprise me somewhat that with his apparently deep understanding of the human body & it's inner workings that he was not more self aware of the danger he was stumbling into. Once again, deepest sympathy and condolences to Michael's family.
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  23. You're not alone Neil.
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  24. С уважением к службе и памяти Вашего деда из Великобритании. Будьте уверены, что мы не все поддаемся на ложь, произносимую с целью скрыть захват власти США/глобалистами для достижения мировой гегемонии.
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  25. Good grief... I've been subscribed for a long time to this channel but have somehow missed this video. It's as if this video was written just for me.... I've independently come to exactly the same conclusions that both you and LK Samuels have reached MANY years ago and have felt I'm going insane that no-one EVER publicly espouses this line of thought. This video has filled in some grey areas and cleared up some inconsistencies in my thinking, and for that I'm extremely grateful. Excuse me while I take back whats left of my sanity. Absolutely FANTASTIC rendering of an alternative perception to the chaos thats being wrought across the world today.
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  26. Hats off to Mr Walker and his ilk. I too was educated in the 1970s by men who had fought during WW2. A tough inner city school, where NONE dare show disrespect in front of the teachers (and strangely enough no accusations of historical sexual abuse either). How we need their like back amongst us again.
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  27. Another interesting video. I'm slightly surprised that Mark was disappointed that Himmler's FW-200 was scrapped in 1947 and not saved for posterity. He is fully aware that Britain wouldn't, or more likely, couldn't even afford to save just one of her many equally historic and infinitely more worthy Royal Naval battleships to act as a memorial to the tens of thousands of British and Commonwealth sailors who had died in Royal Navy service across the globe, and without whom Britain would have succumbed through strangulation, and consequently caused world history to have taken a far darker turn.
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  28. Yes the Southport public are gathering to protest at 8pm this evening after first holding a huge, quiet & respectful vigil for the victims of this murderous outrage.
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  29.  @br0k3nman  Thanks for the suggestion, but unfortunately wikipedia has a VPN IP blacklist which prevents editing from behind one. I made some enquiries into appealing a couple of his edits, but as you can imagine wikipedia like most major businesses does not want to employ divisions of staff to deal with constant arguements from across the world over points of history and I found myself going in circles.
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  30. Lovely to see Lisa Marie. Respects.
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  31.  @ussenterprisecv6805  My father was a stoker onboard HMS Warspite at Salerno when the "Fritz X" bombs hit. Luckily he was off watch from his station and survived, but many in the machinery spaces didn't. The Fritz X that hit near Warspite's funnel blew a hole through her keel, but she simply wouldn't go down.
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  32.  @kevinanderson3849  I'm not "disagreeing" I'm just stating the reality of the situation and highlighting your delusion. As for being "an elderly gentleman", maybe I'm wrong on this but my instincts tell me that your prose has a certain "immaturity" to it, like that of a teenager or twenty-something. Surely if you were of such mature advanced years you'd possess the wisdom to realise the stupidity of posting on a public forum and then ordering people not to challenge you?
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  33.  @kevinanderson3849  Lets look at some figures.... The RN loses an aged battlecruiser which had given unstinting service to her country for 20 years, one of 16 major units, whose loss was replaced 4 fold. The Kriegsmarine loses their latest "most advanced" flagship after 9 days at sea, fully 25% of its captial ship establishment, which was never replaced. Who came off the worst I wonder? You also seem to be under the illusion that warfare involves "fairness". Awww... how sweet, but I'm sorry to tell you little one but if you're fighting "fair" you're not doing it properly. Were the Germans being "fair" in launching massive unannounced and undeclared assaults onto her neighbours? If you want "fairness" go and watch a sport event. "Whole RN against a lonely crippled titan". It's almost touching to see the delusional image you paint. The "Lonely crippled titan" you weep for was on a mission to sink international shipping which would have resulted in the murder of thousands of innocent unarmed merchant saiors, Imagine how "lonely" those merchant sailors would have been, struggling for survival in a freezing, treacherous North Atlantic with fuel oil burning their lungs..... dying in agony. P.S Once the "lonely titan" had been stopped from running away, she was dispatched by just TWO superior RN battleships and cruisers.
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  34.  @havennewbowtow8835  Absolutely Havennew. My physics teacher in particular was a father figure to many. An ex-RAF officer from the late 1940s / early 1950s. He took no messing but also supported and directed us "clueless teenagers" in our behavior & attitudes. Sure it didn't work with everyone, but I served 30 years in the fire service, and others went on to succesful careers in the forces & other sectors, and I personally put a lot of my grounding down to him. Unfortunately the divisive globalist powers that be are putting "wimmin" into the ascendancy especially in education.... in my view its just another thread of the imbalance thats contributing to the rapid decline in society.
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  35.  @Aaronhatestrolls  Silly boy. You've made the assumption you're going to outlive "neildillon"? Take heed of the old maxim "You know not the day or the hour".
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  36.  @gordonbergslien30  It was, from 1942 onwards especially, a TEAM effort.
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  37. Program starts at 1:17
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  38. You've obviously never been to a UK remembrance day parade, there you'll see wreaths laid to the Polish service personnel EVERY year, even at local ceremonies. The 3 Polish airmen's graves (From 302 Sqd flying out of RAF Woodvale) a couple of miles from where I live are also always well tended. Don't be fooled by the devious driving of a wedge between Britain and Poland. Lefties love to cuase discontent wherever they can. They call it "agitprop".
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  39. On completion of my RAF recruit training at RAF Swinderby in 1984 during the "pass out" parade we had a fly past (actually a fly over) of an Avro Vulcan escorted by two Harriers. As it passed over the top of the parade all three aircraft then fanned out into a vertical climb. The noise of the Vulcan was absolutely indescribable, sounding like the very sky itself was being ripped apart. It was one of those situations where you could FEEL the sound reverberating through your internal organs. A lasting memory for me, and a shame that no -one will ever experience that sight & sound again.
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  40. My mother, who was 14 years old in 1940, on leaving school worked in a sweet factory in Liverpool, and helped out with firewatchers in the city centre during the blitz in 1941. By 1943 she was working at a factory in Marybone, Liverpool city centre called "Roe Brothers ltd". There she assembled the 3 inch 60lb rockets that were used by the RAF ground attack aircraft. All gave some, some gave all.
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  41.  @freddyferret2313  Hate Britain more... its fun to see your thinly veiled hatred.
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  42. Awww... another sore assed wehraboo. Did nazi Germany only use the minimum amount of force necessary during WW2? Like when they sent 80 divisions including 2000 tanks into the low countries in May 1940? Don't fool yourself kid.... The RN directed as much of the Home Fleet as was necessary to corral a tiny fast task force running away from combat in the 41,000,000 square mile North Atlantic. Once she'd been stopped from running away it took just 2 battleships and cruisers to put her on the bottom in 90 minutes.
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  43. Thats the popular perception, but Hood had the same armour as the likes of HMS Warspite, as well as being 8-9 knots faster.
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  44. So the ICRC (International Committee of the Red Cross) who carried out an investigation at the time of the German discovery of the masses graves at Katyn were wrong? Pity you weren't there to tell them what REALLY happened.
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  45. With great difficulty. Internal bombload for a He111 was 2000kg, but 3600kg could be carried externally, so it could actually lift TWO SC1800 (Satan) into the air.
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  46.  @russfinley4128  Please explain why you think that? I will amend my post above to "farms in certain areas of the country were affected."
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  47. As "Humanism" is to "Nazism" so is "Accuracy" to "world of tanks".
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  48.  @andrzejdziadul6022  He received a business award 6 months later in recognition of his actions... awarded to him by none other than "The Krypton Factor's" Gordon Burns, Woohoo!!! Yes, Safeway eventually was bought up in the UK by Morrisons and disappeared from our streets completely.
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  49.  @FalkyRocket2222  Almost as much as when someone says something is true and then cannot produce evidence of that either.
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  50. Isn't it telling, that while multiple news outlets have described one of the poor innocent children murdered in this outrage as "Portuguese" as her parents came to Britain from the island of Madeira, and yet not ONE of those same media outlets will describe the blood covered turd who was apprehended at the scene as "of Rwandan descent".
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  51. They're acknowledged EVERY year at remembrance and battle of Britain day parades across the length and breadth of the UK. Something you would already have known had you REALLY cared for their honour and memory, instead of posting meaningless "virtue signalling" messages on YT.
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  52. It is necessary to state, what for you is the obvious, because SO many credulous young people nowadays are led to believe by legions of nazi fanbois (or "wehraboos") that the RN was unable to damage the Bismarck because of its "uber german superiority" and that the crew scuttled the ship because they got bored of RN ineptitude, when the truth is that the RN demolished Bismarck and set it sinking BEFORE the Bismarck crew considered sinking their own ship to bring the RN bombardment to a more speedy conclusion.
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  53. You seem to put a lot of stock in survivor's accounts of the final battle and sinking... I'm fully with you on that point. Lets look at some shall we? From "Battleship Bismarck: A survivor's story" Written by Baron Burkhard von Mullenheim-Rechberg, Bismarck's senior ranking survivor. Page 211 "Our list to port had increased a bit while firing was going on" followed by "Around 9:30am gas and smoke began to drift through our station" This means that prior to 9:30am Bismarck was already flooding, not something that happens to a healthy seaworthy ship, in other words she was already starting to sink. Then from an interview conducted for the highly regarded weekly history journal "Purnell's history of the second world war" in the late 1960's with Gerhard Junack (who was Bismarck's only surviving engineering officer and the survivor who supposedly enacted the "scuttle order"). He stated that... "Somewhere about 1015 hours, I received an order over the telephone from the Chief Engineer (Korvettenkapitän (Ing.) Walter Lehmann) to 'Prepare the ship for sinking.' That was the last order I received on the Bismarck. Soon after that, all transmission of orders collapsed." Heading back to the account of Mullenheim-Rechberg, on Page 212 he states that (before 10:00am) "I was using all the telephone circuits and calling all over the place in an effort to find out as much as possible about the condition of the ship. I got only one answer. I reached the messenger in the damage control centre and asked "who has and where is the command of the ship? Are there new orders in effect?".... The man said he was in a great hurry. He told me that everyone had abandoned the damage control centre, adding that he was the last one in the room and had to get out... then he hung up". This vain seach for contact & information over the Bismarck's internal comms happened BEFORE 10:00am which throws some mild doubt on Junack's testimony where he says he was contacted by the chief engineer who supposedly gave him the "scuttle order" over the phone at 10:15am... Hmmmmm. If taken at face value these survivor testimonies show that there was at least a 45 minute gap between Bismarck starting to sink and the first mention of a "scuttle order" being given. Even if Bismarck's crew had done nothing, Bismarck was going to sink, and if the beaten crew want to help the RN, then all the better... But face it, Bismarck's crew weren't going to scuttle a perfectly seaworthy ship in the middle of the storm tossed North Atlantic of their own free will, it was only for the fact that the RN had already dismantled Bismarck and initiated the sinking process. In other words in every sense the sinking of Bismarck was the result of actions dictated by the Royal Navy. Anything else is just hurt German pride, bolstered by modern day delusional wehraboos. Germany was well known for trying to hide its national humiliations, such as when they scuttled their "grand fleet" at the end of WW1, like illogically saying "We lost.. but you didn't win", or a pathetic "You didn't beat us because we killed ourselves before you killed us" sort of idiocy.
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  54. One mediocre, one outdated and one barely operational, you decide which is which.
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  55. I'd like to SINCERELY thank Drach..... not for informing me about this Nelson-esque British hero, I've known fully of his and his crews exploits for many years... being born in Liverpool, with a father who served in the RN throughout the whole of WW2 meant I was steeped in British naval lore.... but my thanks are for his efforts in so effectively passing on legendary stories such as that of Capt Walker to so many eager new listeners of future generations. Drach is truly "passing on the torch of history" to be rekindled in the future. Vitai Lampada !!! Splice the mainbrace !!!
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  56. So what was their "ethos" with attacking Russia in WW1? Instead of posting nonsense, go and look up what "drang nach osten" means.
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  57. ​ @arturgrodzicki1209  Look at the international situation in 1939, Artur. The 3 "major world powers" at the time were the USA, USSR & the British Empire. USSR - Stabbed Poland in the back to steal half of the country, whilst also supplying nazi Germany with millions of tons of raw materials and fuel which enabled her to conquer the rest of continental Europe. USA - Happily sat on the "sidelines" profitting from BOTH sides of the conflict at the same time as the nazis were setting about the destruction and murder of the Polish nation. British Empire (& France) - declared war on nazi Germany to symbolically support Poland, and to oppose (and reverse) nazi military expansion in Europe, (Then likely set about the "soviet problem" after that had been achieved). NO ONE else in the "international community" had lifted a finger to oppose the nazi/soviet occupation of Poland at the time. No one can deny that the British and French as it turned out were caught with their pants down, and were FAR from being fully mobilised militarily, therefore unable to actually assist the Poles in their 6 week struggle.... except indirectly by the blockade of the North sea by the RN thereby putting economic pressure in Germany while they readied their armies. BUT the flame had been lit by the British and French. IF they had not declared war in Sept 1939, or IF they had "stood down" after the conquest of Poland, or IF Britain had sued for peace with the nazis after the fall of France, instead of seeing the conflict through til the end, then its almost certain that nazi death camps which as events happened had been put of action by 1944 / 45, would have instead been operating on Polish (and ultimately European and Soviet soil until the 1950s & 60s or even beyond. The British Empire and France collectively sacrificed over 1 million of their citizens and completely bankrupted themselves to see that it did NOT turn out like that. Unfortunately after the apocalyptic bloodshed of WW2 NO-ONE could liberate eastern & central Europe from the terrible yoke of communism after WW2, without further millions of deaths. Its very easy to look at the course of history as it happened and pick fault with the decisions that were made, and the outcomes that came to pass, but its a lot harder to see how events would have turned out if different decisions had been taken. All the best, Artur.
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  58. Fifthly? How uneducated of you, you odious little tick.
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  59. "In attacking Russia, Germany is like an elephant attacking a host of ants. The elephant will kill thousands, maybe millions, but in the end their numbers will overcome him, and he will be eaten to the bone".
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  60.  @richardbushey2666  First hit in Denmark Strait engagement? PoW on Bismarck. Bismarck achieved 6 hits from 98 380mm rounds expended... not bad, but made to look a lot better by the single "million to one" hit on Hood. Lütjens had the sense not to chase PoW after Hood's demise, the reason being the German B-dienst team both on board and ashore had given him absolutely ZERO warning of the approach of two of the Royal Navy's largest capital ships, and he righly suspected that more were on their way from the direction of Scapa Flow. Not that he could have chased PoW down, with his speed reduced, down by the bow & with the unrepaired damage in his bow threatening to collapse his forward bulkheads, on top of his suddenly dire fuel situation he had no choice but to continue south and make for France, much to the annoyance of all the "armchair admiral" wehraboos on these threads. Near stationary? Go check out a map for the final battle... and contrary to popular belief, she wasn't "steaming in circles" either. Aww poor Bismarck's crew had no sleep.... Rodney and KGV were in position to engage Bismarck on the late evening of the 26th May but decided to let Vian engage her through the night.... like a cat toying with its prey, leaving the RN "big hitters" rested and refreshed & ready to engage at first light.... fantastic planning by Jack Tovey in my book, not all battles are won with raw firepower (although they had that too). The only thing where Bismarck excelled was in her "running away power". As soon as she lost that and was engaged by contemporary British warships, she was shown for the mediocre 1930s waste of resources she really was.
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  61.  @jamesberlo4298  Good troll.
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  62. What on earth are you on about? Did U-boats afford the luxury of allowing merchant crews to take to their lifeboats in safety before blowing them out of the water? Someone should have told the 36,000 British merchant seamen killed duing WW2 that they should have asked the kriegsmarine to allow them to take to their lifeboats first. You may have served "2 tours" with the paras but seem to have no understanding of the realities of naval warfare.
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  63. Or indeed the faceplate of Bismarck's "turret Bruno"? Rodney's 16" shell went straight through it and then knocked the turret's back plate off into the sea. Regardless of the guns power though Bismarck's armour will always be "inpenetrable" to the young, enthralled wehraboo kiddies in comments sections.
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  64. It is of PARAMOUNT importance to young gullible wehraboos that Bismarck was imagined to have sunk herself. The rest of us know what REALLY happened.
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  65. Both suggestions are compatible. The German gunnery WAS excellent, but the killing shot WAS incredibly lucky. The statements are not mutually exclusive.
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  66. Dear oh dear. There's little evidence or belief of the Hood sinking due to the British. Now if you're talking about Bismarck then modern day nazi fantasist children believe that the British had nothing to do with that either.
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  67. Complete bollocks Tom. Hood was an Admiral Class batttlecruiser, and as closely matched to the Indefatigable class of WW1, As I am to Mike Tyson. Start again and do some more research, instead of spouting simple Brit hating nonsense.
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  68. OH stop talking BS about thigs you have no understanding of.
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  69. MY word thats a WHOLE lot of nonsense there... I'll have to take some days off work to rebut all that fantasy.
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  70.  @THINKincessantly  To continue in your ludicrous depiction of the situation, please explain who exactly was the "bully"? HMS Hood & PoW fearlessly confronting a heavily armed and armoured battleship? Or your so called "silent German" who was trying to avoid the "big boys" while "going equipped" and fully focussed on the slaughter of unarmed merchant shipping in international waters? In future think through your logic before commiting your nonsense to type.
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  71. "Compared to the Bismark the Hood was old and outdated" Bismarck 8 x 15in guns HMS Hood 8 x 15in guns Bismarck 12.6in belt armour & 4in deck armour laid out in an "incremental armour" design. HMS Hood 12in belt armour (though angled to give 13in of armour protection) & 3in deck armour laid out in an "incremental armour" design. Bismarck 29 knots HMS Hood 30 knots (in 1941) Bismarck was largely of the same generation of capital ships as was Hood.
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  72.  @adamnowakowski837  Such a pity that Polish national pride prevents them from ever correctly passing credit for a full 30% of 303 Sqd's confirmed kill tally to the single pilot that achieved them..... that is the CZECHOSLOVAKIAN pilot Josef František. P.S thank you to Kurt for his service. Much respect.
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  73. If the globalist quislings in Westminster had been in power in 1940, they would have ordered the Royal Navy to sail to the German occupied channel ports and tow the wehrmacht over and safely into Dover harbour, then provided free board and lodgings at our expense.
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  74. Complete bollocks. 1947 UK Polish Resettlement act, read it and understand what devious rubbish you're posting.
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  75.  @Эрэн-т7з  Хотя Россия и Советский Союз не без вины виноваты в прошлом, будьте уверены, что МИЛЛИОНЫ людей на "Западе" не одурачены псами войны, которые пробились к власти в бывших демократических странах Запада и теперь поджигают мир. Наилучшие пожелания простым людям России от нас, простых людей Великобритании.
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  76. Why declare war on a nation that you have NO practical way of attacking? The only REAL effect of the British declaring war on the USSR would be to push the soviets further into a pact with the nazis.... the world's largest "resource pool" pushed into a potentially unbeatable solid pact with the world's pre eminent military power in 1940? It was better to declare war ONLY on the "clear and present danger" of nazi Germany and leave USSR alone, doing so drove the nazis and communists even further apart, weakened their temporary "alliance of convenience" and helped set the stage for "Barbarossa".
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  77. We remember how the Indian army that supported and fought alongside us Brits was the LARGEST volunteer army in human history during WW2. A Great people are the Hindus.
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  78. "Rudel was determined to preserve the honour of his unit".... as he abandoned his ground crew to the Soviets, and then hot footed it over to the American lines.
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  79.  @cyberleaderandy1  If you know how to use something that rhymes with "Titborrent", then they're available there.
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  80.  @MrMessiah44  Please feel free to come to our local museum in Southport UK, there you will find an entire gallery devoted to the Polish airmen who flew with 302 and 312 squadrons at RAF Woodvale from 1941 onwards complete with the personal documents of many of the pilots who settled in Britain after WW2 when they were freely given UK citizenship and residency rights after the theft of their country by the evils of communism. You could also attend ANY UK remembrance day parade and see the honours and wreaths laid SPECIFICALLY to the Polish service personnel who fought and died fighting from Britain. Can you direct me to a SINGLE Polish museum that has galleries dedicated to the 460,000 British citizens who died fighting to overthrow the oppresors of Poland? You have only to read the comments from modern day Poles on YT to see that comptemporary Poles have not got the FIRST idea about Britain during WW2.
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  81. There's NO shortage of gullible, nazi enthralled children and teenagers about.
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  82. "Quick drag em into the EU... we've had our arses smacked by dem russkis!!!"
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  83. Look mummy !!!!! Its a globalist corporate mouthpiece !!!
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  84. Ignore Mark he's the resident lunatic. Give him a balloon and he's happy and quiet for hours.
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  85.  @tomnoodles8768  But don't forget, the OP is correct and "problem solver" offers no evidence for his contestation (mainly because no such evidence exists).
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  86. I've always felt alone in saying exactly that. At last!!! Other people aware of BOTH sides of the story. P.S Turkey AND Italy.
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  87.  @richardbushey2666  PS Casting around for specious arguments re: Mers-el-Kebir shows a lack of confidence in your defence of the question at hand.... mind you the RN were good at hitting moving targets too... Witness HMS Warspite on Guilio Cesare at Calabria.
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  88.  @richardbushey2666  27th May 1941 10.27 hours. Kriegsmarine equipped with "superior" stereoscopic rangefinders & "seetakt" radar. Hits landed - ZERO Royal Navy equipped with coincidence rangefinders and type 284 radar. Hits landed - >400
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  89. Absolutely correct Skulldugger. A ship represented a microcosm of society with those at "the bottom" being the driving force that drove the "whole" thing forwards. My own father was a Royal Navy Stoker in WW2. Thank god coal burners were, for the navy at least, a thing of the past with oil fired boilers being their replacement, but even so he used to tell me of working boiler room watches in the tropics, with temperatures reaching over 120 degrees fahrenheit, when the stokers had to take their turn of climbing naked into the offline boilers with bronze brushes to scrape off the carbonisation within the heat transfer pipes. The boiler rooms also carried out the vital service of providing the ships company and engines with fresh water through the use of "evaporators" which turned sea water into pure water. Hard men indeed.
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  90. Do you mean like your attitude?
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  91. "Feeble Swordfish" LOL !!! The same swordfish that ended WW2 with an "enemy tonnage sunk" record second to none. The same swordfish that outlasted the plane that was designed to replace it (Fairey Albacore) finally retiring in late 1945, The same swordfish that was so adaptable and capable that it was able to carry everything from bombs, torpedoes, rockets, depth charges as well as airborne search radar, and then took them aloft in weather conditions that kept more "advanced" aircraft lashed to the deck of their aircraft carrier. Oh THAT outdated swordfish. At least you started your final sentence with "In hindsight".
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  92. Isn't it very telling that when 900 RN sailors are left to drown it was "probably" down to "good reasons", and yet when the RN is forced to abandon the survivors of Bismarck to their deaths due to a report of a submarine periscope they're labelled out of hand as "murderers" and "war criminals"? Even though they had stopped to rescue 111 suvivors and jettisoned countless rafts/lifebelts over board for those left behind before departing the scene. Whereas the Scharnhorst / Genisenau did not make even the most cursory attempt to give aid to drowning men. People should be more careful, they let their agenda show through without even realising.
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  93. In the RN "Grog" (watered down 2 parts water to 1 part rum) rather than neat "pusser's rum" was the order of the day (for the "other ranks" at least).
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  94.  @TTTT-oc4eb  "Three Bf 109s could be produced in the same time as one, single Spitfire" Is that why the Luftwaffe ended the battle of Britain with heavy losses to its fighter force, while the RAF had virtually DOUBLED the amount of fighters it had at its disposal? Tigers and Panthers as reliable as Shermans? Maybe if kept in showroom condition, but in reality? Don't make me laugh. In the last 18 months of the war the nazis lost as many tanks due to mechanical breakdowns as they did to combat. Forcing undertrained schoolkids to drive highly sophisticated engineering ensured that as many tigers and panthers were lost & abandoned because of burned out transmissions and stripped gears as they were by allied fighter bombers and 17pdr guns. P.S Logistics are ALWAYS a simpler matter when you have internal lines of communication and supply.... Factory>railway line>front line units. As opposed to the allies... factory>railway line>shipped halfway round the world>railway line>front line units.
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  95. Its the constant attempts to re-write history that irritates some people.
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  96. To make the RN "big boys" stop hitting them.
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  97. As so you should. The Germans onboard Bismarck certainly were. Iwonder if you also disparage the US for using over 300 ships against the IJN's 60 or so during the battle of Leyte Gulf?
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  98. Its difficult to accept the charge that British documentaries in particular are biased !!! We are bottom of the "junior league" compared to the US "Major league champions". They inflict themselves on EVERY aspect of history even when they had little or nothing to do with it. You can see their intent with the US film industry's absolute OBSESSION with putting the yanks into every aspect of history (U-571 anyone?). Just yesterday I watched a documentary on British TV about "operation Dynamo" (The Dunkirk Evacuation) and the primary "talking head" throughout the programme was a US lieutenant colonel in full regalia, apparently the incongruity of a bemedalled senior US officer lecturing on the quintessentially European events of May/June 1940 was totally lost on the doc producers. Yes the man was probably a learned expert of WW2 military matters from West Point or wherever, but the bare faced crass US jingoism of the setup was incredbile !!! That's just one very recent example, but modern media is RIFE with such overbearing US inflection on world history. Another example is the "battle of Britain". If you read a large amount (but thankfully not all) of US comment here on YT, the "BoB" was "won by the US", solely on the basis that the British bought supplies from the US, but strangely you never hear the counterpart cry of "Romania & the USSR conquered most of mainland Europe in 1939-41", which by using the rationale of US commenters that "we supplied you with fuel / materials" is exactly what Romania and the USSR did whilst using nazi Germany as their proxy. I can though fully concur with your judgement regarding Thames TV's "The World at War", which is rightfully often described as "landmark TV", even so current repeats of "TWAW" are now savagely edited to make space for more advertising BS, its akin to plastering a landmark such as the Taj Mahal with "Tesla" "Amazon" and "Apple" adverts. Thankfully I have my own unedited, and uninterrupted copies of the entire series. As you suggest, as the war generation leave our midst world history has (as it always has) been hijacked by those with their own contemporary agendas to push, with the consequence that almost nothing in the last 20 years can hold a candle to the best of pre 2000s documentaries. Consider that what you now believe to be "British bias" is a reactionary counter balance to the increasing growth in juvenile wehraboo-ism as well as the globalist inspired "anti-Brit" sentiment now pushed in the general MSM, as a result of our rejection of their EUSSR branch of global hegemony, which seeks to "re-interpret" and undermine factual material and subvert the actualité of historical events, All the best though Vincent.
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  99. He who laughs last, laughs longest. There weren't too many Germans laughing on 27th May 1941.
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  100. Nonsense.
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  101. What's more brow raising was it was actually Bruno's back end that was on the receiving end of Rodney's 16".
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  102. And yet here are you unbidden, STILL trying to suggest that the RN didn't sink Bismarck... Why are YOU so obsessed? IF any scuttling actually took place then all that was scuttled was a 51000 ton mountain of sinking, flaming scrap metal. All guns silenced, her superstructure devastated, her main armour belt broken and penetrated in several places, her command staff physically obliterated, internally aflame from end to end, her stern and port gunwales already underwater, a thousand of her crew dead, and further hundreds of her crew already in the water behind her.... All that any scuttling did was to sink her a few minutes earlier than was already happening. In the world of boxing the crew's scuttling efforts are what is known as "throwing in the towel", submission of a boxer AFTER he has been punched senseless by a more skillful & powerful opponent, and only a deluded child would say, "the victor didn't win because his opponent killed himself before he lost.", when the truth is the loser had his arse ripped off by the victor and handed back to him on a plate. Imagine the ignominy of being forced to commit suicide by your opponent?
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  103.  @SovietDictator  Well he is faced with the "legions of the clueless".
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  104. THE longest battle of WW2... without those convoys and hundreds of thousands of civilian sailors the allies WOULD have lost the war.
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  105. As an illustration of the human resolve to survive that is relevant to this tale, when Erich Topp in U-552 torpedoed the steamer "Etrib" (18:05) 36 of its 40 man crew successfully made it into boats and were rescued by the RN escort forces and transferred to the Rescue ship "Copeland". One sailor from the Etrib was picked up an hour later by U-106 and spent the rest of the war as a PoW in Germany.... but one crewman, fireman William Swinchin originally of Dingle, Liverpool, found himself all alone on a wooden raft that had provisions for around twenty men. These consisted mainly of pemmican tablets (dried meat and berries, mixed in fat), milk tablets, sailors’ biscuits and a single tank of drinking water and survived an incredible 77 days in mid Atlantic on an open raft until he was was spotted by U-214 (Reeder) on 29 August. He was taken prisoner and remained aboard until the U-boat returned to Brest on 9 October 1942. He returned to the UK in May 1945... undeterred by his close shave with death he remained a merchant seaman until 1961 and sadly passed away in 1971.
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  106.  @pluss400  Dear oh dear. What about Hood's oarsmen? Maybe they weren't rowing fast enough? or what if the crewmen didn't set the main sail quickly enough? Have you considered those possibilities?
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  107. Answer: a million to one shell hit. In her turn Bismarck was then crippled by a biplane, and then mostly dismantled by an RN battleship 13 years older than her that possessed better armour and firepower. "Mighty" is subjective.
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  108. No it wasn't Hood's wooden deck that was the problem.... It was her oarsmen who had tired themselves out after her sails had been torn in the north Atlantic storms.
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  109. What relationship does Hood's demise have to do with Jutland?
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  110. No.
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  111. What has 1776 and the US war of independence got to do with Britain fighting nazi Germany alone while the US sat and watched?
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  112. "An over rated design" while lauding the outdated when built Bismarck. Classic.
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  113. When I was at school my maths teacher had a maths degree, my English teacher had an English degree and so on. Nowadays you take an "teaching degree" which basically tells you how to read out a lefty approved "lesson plan" to the poor kids with no underpinning knowledge required.
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  114. What relevance does that have to this video?
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  115. Bollocks. Thank the British for organising the defence of India from the encroaching Japanese and their "Greater Asian Co-prosperity Sphere". You think the Japs would have treated you as well as the British? Ask the descendents of the various Chinese cities that were raped, looted and burned by the IJA how they feel about Japan. Also remember to thank us for providing your nation with a working civil service & railway network (that was SO good its almost all still in use today) and also remember to thank the British in re-routing allied shipping to alleviate the Bengal famine.
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  116. There were no airworthy DB601 powered Bf109s in existence, so what do you do? Not make the film?
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  117.  @TOFKAS01  The Poles who ended up in the hands of Soviet authorities understandably but most importantly voluntarily CHOSE to return to their homeland. The vast majority of Polish ex-service personnel who had served with the British armed forces during WW2 elected to stay in the west, as they were entitled to after Britain had given the now stateless Poles a new national home by bestowing FULL UK citizenship and residency rights to them. In fact Britain was the first allied country to pass legislation to give brave Poles a new national home in 1947, France followed suit in 1948 and the US was shamed into doing so in 1949.
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  118.  @havennewbowtow8835  And neither will I, I hope..... It's nice to know there are still others around who know whats going on. All the best Havennew, Have a good one.
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  119. Meanwhile the "world communist elites" are wearing sharp suits and striding up and down the "corridors of power" in every western government.
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  120. What the fuck kind of revisionist garbage are YOU putting out, you absolute dog brained fuck? Hjalmar Schacht & "MEFO bills". Read more and type less.
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  121. Because unlike nazi Germany, neither country had spent the previous 7 years preparing at 110% for a European war. Do you imagine the real world is like a computer game were you press a button and fully equipped armies suddenly appear on the map? Or that democratic nations maintain huge standing armies ready to swing into action at a moments notice? Both the UK and France immediately started mobilising their unprepared nations for war in very late August 1939. Britain on 3rd Sept 1939 IMMEDIATELY dispatched its first regular infantry division to France on 3rd Sept 1939. By Dec 1939 it had just THREE infantry divisions on the continent, and by May 1940 it had just TEN fully equipped (and 3 partially equipped) divisions on the Belgian border. All those conscripted civilians had to be assembled, equipped, sent for training, dispatched to units, then the units had to be transported to their assigned positions on the Belgian border, such a process is known as mobilisation and takes MONTHS. The French nation, beset by political turmoil throughout the interwar years was a poorly organised and politically undermined and unstable nation. It fumbled its own mobilisation of it reserves and conscription of its population, so much so that it damaged its own economy by its blanket conscription of its skilled workforce, and tens of thousands of men had to be released from military service to restart its war economy. By the time that the western allies had organised anything like a cohesive military force the Germans and soviets had conquered Poland and by then the Wehrmacht had nearly 150 divisions stationed along Germany's western border facing around the same number of allied divisions (including just 10 British "BEF" divisions)... though many of the French divisions were poorly trained, equipped and organised. As opposed to the idea that the British and French could muster 150 fully trained equipped and organised divisions on "day one".
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  122. My god where does your nonsense come from "the brutal dictator Britain put in to replace their cousins", just complete and utter nonsense. Lower your medication dosage PLEASE !!!!
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  123. Manhattan Engineering District in 1940: 2500 kg WTF !!!!
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  124. Where was the "over dramatisation" exactly? I always felt it was a level headed tense drama than fireworks and senseless bravado..... please tell us more about "home guard bomb disposal technicians" Did he tell you about these exploits after he'd had a skinful in the Local?
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  125.  @owensmith7530  Re-reading the thread above I now see it wasn't yourself who made the remark that farms "weren't affected". Seems with that apart that we're generally in agreement.
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  126. Dr Felton.... acting as a shill for warscamming "world of scams" is VERY unbecoming !!!
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  127.  @lukefriesenhahn8186  Ignore stupid "Sam". TLDR means "too long didn't read" and is typed by people of low intelect when their goldfish like attention span has been stretched beyond breaking point (they can only comprehend and work with answers and comments of 4 or 5 words or less). For those of us with a greater appreciation of social histories your grandmother's recollections are very interesting and well told. Thank you, and best wishes to your grandmother.
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  128. The Polish generals lived out full lives in the kind safety of Britain, as opposed to ending up like 10s of thousands of their fellow countrymen who ended up dead in a ditch in a remote Russian forest with a soviet bullet in the back of their heads. Or MILLIONS of their countrymen who died under nazi tyranny from 1939 to 1945. Britain had been completely BANKRUPTED by two world wars to oppose German hegemony in Europe. Her own service personnel returning to their home country after demobilisation at the end of WW2 were treated no better than the Polish generals.
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  129. ALL the veterans indeed.
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  130. I can see many parallels with western society today.
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  131.  @deoglemnaco7025  Ok I'll put it without quotes.... a state tyranny enforcer, is that better? I have more sympathy for the families and individuals whose lives he helped stifle and sometimes destroy during his duties for the socialist tyranny. Gestapo members (plenty of whom simply changed into stasi uniform at the end of WW2) were possibly also good and kind to their own families too, and guess what? I've got no sympathy for them if their lives ended badly either.
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  132. Older people remember when the US threatened the world with global nuclear destruction in 1962 when the USSR sited THEIR weapons on a client state's soil 90 miles off the US coast.... an now corporate US turds want you to believe its RUSSIAN Aggression in Ukraine !!! Globalist mouthpiece channel alert !!!!
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  133. I thought I'd create a simple "visual aid" in order to assist people learning about the history of the battle of Britain. There is much ongoing debate about the nationalities and proportions of RAF fighter pilots who took part in the battle, with a furtive aspect which attempts to portray the battle as a victory of mostly "Foreign pilots". Below is an accurate graphical representation of the proportion of pilot nationalities serving within RAF Fighter Command during the summer of 1940. Each flag is roughly equivalent to 30 pilots. 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧UK (2342) 🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱 Poland (145) 🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿 New Zealand (127) 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦 Canada (112) 🇨🇿🇨🇿🇨🇿 Czechoslovakia (88) 🇦🇺 Australia (32) 🇧🇪 Belgium (28) 🇿🇦 S. Africa (25) (1940 flag emoji not available) 🇺🇳 Other nations (France (13), R o Ireland (10), USA (9), Rhodesia (3), Newfoundland (1), Jamaica (1), Barbados (1)) (And just to preempt the idiot lefty "Identity warriors" from protesting about "The lack of credit given to the black pilots who fought in the battle of Britain"... the two pilots from the Caribbean were both of white British descent).
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  134. Shouldn't dish it out in the first place then should they?
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  135. Same happens in large companies / corporations / organisations the world over. This does not excuse their truly AWFUL treatment, but its not something peculiar to the British.
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  136. Sorry they weren't... they took part, as did all the other pilots.
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  137. No accounting for "million to one" luck is there?
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  138. You forgot about who remained in control of the battlefield after the smoke had cleared = Britain wins.
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  139. PS. Once Bismarck was stopped from running away it only took 2 RN battleships and cruisers to "put her under".
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  140. Both the RN and the USN had ships that exceeded the Bismarck class in all 3 of the primary aspects of warship design, those being speed, armour and firepower. The difficulty was in combining those 3 aspects in a single design whilst simultaneously keeping within the constraints set by the Washington (and in Britain's case the 1935 Anglo-German) naval treaties. On the other hand, the nazis being inherently untrustworthy, did not feel compelled to comply with the terms of the naval agreement they signed with Great Britain in 1935, and so faced no such difficulties. That being said Bismarck didn't fare too well when confronted with the likes of HMS Rodney, a much more powerful and well protected battleship that was 13 years her senior. As for "one on one" Britain didn't need to play that game, she had a far larger navy that amply showed its capabilities in dealing with nazi "superships".
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  141.  @dovetonsturdee7033  Please don't wake the wehraboos up too quickly, they may have an adverse reaction to reality.
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  142. What pride can you take from slaying a ship that was moronically sent out virtually alone against the British Home Fleet? Its only protection was the vastness of the North Atlantic and its speed, and the RN handled both of those problems admirably.
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  143.  @richpontone1  Wikipedia says MANY things Rich... Not all of which are true. I could go on to wikipedia and edit it to suggest that Hood was sunk by someone throwing bananas down the funnel. The "plunging fire" theory was the "go to" theory for decades after the war, but try watching that video I gave the link to above and see what you think? All the best.
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  144. "She might not have been sinking at the time"? Nonsense. Lets look at some survivor testimonies (people who actually witnessed the events of Bismarck's sinking first hand), and not some winsome fantasy shall we? From "Battleship Bismarck: A survivor's story" Written by Baron Burkhard von Mullenheim-Rechberg, Bismarck's senior ranking survivor. Page 211 "Our list to port had increased a bit while firing was going on" followed by "Around 9:30am gas and smoke began to drift through our station" This means that prior to 9:30am Bismarck was already flooding, not something that happens to a healthy seaworthy ship, in other words she was already starting to sink. Then from an interview conducted for the highly regarded weekly history journal "Purnell's history of the second world war" in the late 1960's with Gerhard Junack (who was Bismarck's only surviving engineering officer and the survivor who supposedly enacted the "scuttle order"). He stated that... "Somewhere about 1015 hours, I received an order over the telephone from the Chief Engineer (Korvettenkapitän (Ing.) Walter Lehmann) to 'Prepare the ship for sinking.' That was the last order I received on the Bismarck. Soon after that, all transmission of orders collapsed." Heading back to the account of Mullenheim-Rechberg, on Page 212 he states that (before 10:00am) "I was using all the telephone circuits and calling all over the place in an effort to find out as much as possible about the condition of the ship. I got only one answer. I reached the messenger in the damage control centre and asked "who has and where is the command of the ship? Are there new orders in effect?".... The man said he was in a great hurry. He told me that everyone had abandoned the damage control centre, adding that he was the last one in the room and had to get out... then he hung up". This vain search for contact & information over the Bismarck's internal comms happened BEFORE 10:00am which throws some mild doubt on Junack's testimony where he says he was contacted by the chief engineer who supposedly gave him the "scuttle order" over the phone at 10:15am... Hmmmmm. If taken at face value these survivor testimonies show that there was at least a 45 minute gap between Bismarck starting to sink and the first mention of a "scuttle order" being given. Even if Bismarck's crew had done nothing, Bismarck was going to sink, and if the beaten crew want to help the RN, then all the better... But face it, Bismarck's crew weren't going to scuttle a perfectly seaworthy ship in the middle of the storm tossed North Atlantic of their own free will, it was only for the fact that the RN had already dismantled Bismarck and initiated the sinking process. In other words in every sense the sinking of Bismarck was the result of actions dictated by the Royal Navy. Anything else is just hurt German pride, bolstered by modern day delusional wehraboos. Germany was well known for trying to hide its national humiliations, such as when they scuttled their "grand fleet" at the end of WW1, like illogically saying "We lost.. but you didn't win", or a pathetic "You didn't beat us because we killed ourselves first" sort of idiocy.
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  145.  @notsureyou  You don't appear to be a "wehraboo" but you do a nice sideline in perpetuating some Bismarck "mythology" "It took from memory 15 minutes for the British to "find the range"" Do you have your copy of ""Battleship Bismarck: A Design and Operational History"" to hand? Right, turn to page 518, Table B-1 "Rodney engages Bismarck", read the third entry detailing HMS Rodney's third and fourth ranging salvoes where it says at the end of the entry that...."Later HMS Norfolk reported that hits were obtained by one or both of these salvoes". These hits took place 2 or 3 MINUTES after HMS Rodney commenced firing at 08.47
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  146. Why have you bothered to watch and comment?
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  147. "8 holes on Bismarck" indeed? You do realise that Bismarck was, above her armoured deck, ripped apart?
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  148.  @ghosterdude  But the 3 survivors of Hood outlaughed the 114 from Bismarck. British spunk for you.
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  149.  @cogitator1213  Silly boy... in what way did they win? The WHOLE point of the hochseeflotte sortie was to ambush and break the RN stranglehold the Royal Navy exerted over germany with her north sea blockade. They ended by running back off to port, and were too frightened of the "big boys" to leave in any strength ever again (apart from when they sailed to Scapa Flow to surrender), leaving the victorious Royal Navy with a bloody nose, but still in command of the north sea. You need to understand strategy and not concentrate like a small child on the headline numbers.
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  150.  @cogitator1213  You mean the victory where the "victors" ran off back to port never to set sail in deadly earnest again?
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  151. No it would be the same as wehraboos arguing that the allies never beat Germany because Hitler shot himself.
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  152. Childish wehraboos don't watch the documentary or read the report in full, and then consider the findings as a whole, they cherry pick passages out of context and try to represent them as the "big picture", hence their nonsensical babble that drives more intelligent viewers to near madness.
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  153. "Largely intact"? "Intact" as much as a swiss cheese and missing most of its superstructure. "operational medium artillery and anti-aircraft defences"? All firing had ceased on Bismarck within 40 minutes of the start of the battle, with most of her magazines flooded prior to sinking. The "Bismarck myth" continues unabated.
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  154. I'm interested to hear your evidence of where "the British" say that "(convoys) were irrelevant". As for Bismarck scaring "the piss out of the Brits", I don't know about you but if I'm ever scared "pissless" I find myself running AWAY from the source of my fear as fast as my legs can carry me, Could you refresh my memory and tell me which ship spent the full 8-9 days of it's entire operational life doing just that, and who was it running away from exactly? Seems obvious that just like everyone else you also have your own "pet bias" you like to take for a walk in YT comment sections.
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  155. Why be amused? The British empire was spread across the globe and highly dependent on maritime trade. All of that global shipping network had to pass through the bottleneck of the North Atlantic to the British isles. A fast and elusive German battleship task force running rampage through that bottleneck of convoy lanes would have had a potentially disastrous impact on the ongoing British war effort, out of all proportion to its relatively small size.
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  156. From ballistics tables its easily shown that at the approximate range of battle involved at the time of Hood's destruction, that the critical shell impacted Hood at an angle of approx 12-14 degrees (the exact range is not known for certain hence the spread of angle). As you can imagine that is nowhere NEAR the +80 degrees that would be necessary for your suggestion.
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  157.  @klasv7174  That is your free choice, I appreciate German military tech, but if you want a battleship to look like it means business, and not be bothered with having "graceful lines worthy of a ballerina" then only HMS Rodney will do, accept nothing less.
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  158. They probably thought the same as the crew of HMS Rodney and HMS King George V did before they tore Bismarck apart.
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  159. Do you think Adalbert Schneider (Bismarck's first gunnery officer) had his beady eye looking through his eyepiece with a crosshair lined up on Hood's magazine? A broadside salvo of 15 inch shells is analogous to the pellets in a shotgun scatter, but obviously on a MUCH larger scale. The CEP (circular error probability, or the radius of a circle that 50% of shells fired can be expected to land within) of Bismarck's main armament (38cm SK C/34) at the range involved in Denmark strait is approximately 330ft, so that in a perfectly aimed salvo by Bismarck's 8 guns incoming on Hood at a rough angle of 12-13 degrees, 4 shells could be expected to land within an ellipse (due to the shallow angle of the shells approach) 660ft wide and a couple of thousand feet long, that crossed 76% of Hood's length, but those 4 shells would be completely randomly distributed, so the luck aspect is that in that wide scatter one of the shells randomly penetrated a very obscure weak point in Hood's VERTICAL armour and impacted on the relatively tiny area of her 4in HA magazine. The simplified analogy is that if you prop a dartboard up 50 yards away and can consistently knock it over with a shotgun at that range then that is pretty good shooting, just as Bismarck / PE achieved during the Denmark Strait encounter. Now you can "knock the dartboard over" all day long with the shotgun and still NOT hit the dartboard's bullseye (magazine) with an individual pellet. As opposed to being a skillful shot by knocking over the dartboard, whether you hit the bullseye with an individual pellet is complete luck.
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  160. Of course, tha Yanks love to steal the laurels of their allies.... U571 anyone?
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  161. Can you imagine if he was an AMERICAN ???? He'd have a nuclear missle cruiser named after him, roads across the US would be named in his honour, and up until 20-30 years ago kids in school would have been taught his huge contribution to their country's war effort. Cross the Atlantic to the UK and almost NO-ONE knows about him. I'm from Liverpool, my father was in the Royal Navy during WW2 and a number of relatives were on merchant ships plying the Atlantic during the war so I was told about "Johnny" Walker since I was a young lad.
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  162. Unfortunately you're mistaken. HMS Hood DID dock at Hvalfjord on 23rd April 1941 for the purposes of refuelling after sailing from Scapa Flow in response to an erroneous report of Bismarck sortieing 2 days earlier. With regard to the actual sinking of Hood, HMS Hood had sailed from Scapa Flow in the Orkney islands late in the evening of 21st May, with orders to head to Hvalfjord to refuel, and then to patrol the Denmark Strait, but due to the British cruisers who were already patrolling the Denmark Strait spotting Bismarck / PE while Hood & her companions were still en route, they instead headed directly to intercept the German task force WITHOUT docking in Iceland prior to the engagement and Hood's tragic sinking.
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  163. And yet strangely failed to hit a single target afterwards inspite of thousands of shells expended !!!!
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  164. The Royal Navy.... policing the abolition of the slave trade around the world's oceans for over 200 years.
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  165. Wrong battle, that was Jutland, there's absolutely NO evidence it was the case at Denmark Strait.
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  166. More nonsense. Remember the saying "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool, that to talk nonsense and remove all doubt".
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  167. Wrong on BOTH counts.
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  168. The last reported sighting of V/Adm Holland was by Ted Briggs as he exited the bridge, sitting calmly & silently in his commander's chair with his head lowered, as if in resignation.
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  169. It stood every chance... what couldn't be accounted for was "one in a million luck" on behalf of the German side.
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  170. Ask the inhabitants of Dresden and 50 other German cities if the Avro Lancaster was "deficient". The Spitfire had the range necessary to blow thousands of "superior" luftwaffe aircraft out of the sky. Please name a modern British battleship that was more than mildly inconvenienced by the Germans. The sten gun, like the T-34 and sherman showed that production numbers instead of "technical excellence" won WW2. The matilda was the only tank in 1940 that put the fear of god into the Germans, luckily for them they'd already created AP ammo for their 88s. Cry harder wehraboo, we LOVE it !!!
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  171.  @WorshipinIdols  Before you gush too much over the performance of the German gunners (which you'll notice I have never said was anything but excellent), you've conveniently missed out other factors that throw a shadow over your suggested hit rates, not the least being that only 2 hits were conclusively confirmed on HMS Hood. First of all look at the total number of rounds fired by each ship. BOTH the British ships had unfortunately had their "T's crossed" and so were firing a total of 10 main barrels against the two German ships who being broadside onto the British ships were in return able to muster 16 main barrels (including 8 of Prinz Eugen's 203mm guns with almost DOUBLE the RoF of the larger battleships guns) as well as 12 secondary barrels to fire back at the British, resulting in a far larger volume of fire at the British ships than was fired at the Germans (even when taking into account the British opening fire first). Secondly you've also failed to take into account the misbehaviour of PoW's troublesome 4 barrelled "A" and "Y" turrets, which resulted in PoW actually firing only around two thirds of the shots she should have fired, the figures then start to look very different from the situation you suggest. I do in one of my books have a summary of the number of rounds fired by each ship, and when those numbers are taken into account, the hit rate of all the ships involved is in the area of 4-6% of shots fired. (Apart from Hood who as you know had mistakenly targeted and straddled Prinz Eugen by its fifth salvo before realising its mistake and then starting from square one in retargeting Bismarck). Considering HMS PoW was operating with a completely green crew and with one arm tied behind her back she gave MORE than an excellent account of herself. Both landing the first hit of the engagment and singlehandedly stopping "Exercise Rhine" in its tracks.
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  172.  @WorshipinIdols  1. No I fully intended to use the widely recognised term "incremental armour" which once again succinctly describes the spread of armour across the structure of a ship, but please feel free to use whatever word you wish. "Distributed" will also suffice. 2. No I did not mistake the 380mm hit on PoW's unarmoured bridge for the 150mm hit on the base of her forward starboard HA director. You already appear to have seen the photographs of the damage to PoW's aft funnel, I assumed whilst looking at that you would also find the photos of both the entry and exit points of the 380mm hit on the bridge that killed everyone there apart from Capt Leach and his navigating officer Lt Comm George Rowell. The entry and exit points clearly show the splinter plating of the unarmoured bridge peeled back like a banana skin. 3. PoW's armoured conning tower was sited BELOW the unarmoured bridge that was hit, which in turn was sited below the also unarmoured anti-aircraft control station which topped the bridge superstructure, and is where Lt Esmond Knight was stationed.
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  173.  @WorshipinIdols  I've only just spotted your first reply. The "ALL" of the "all or nothing" armour scheme refers to the "box" that covers the machinery spaces, magazines, shell handling, barbettes and turrets, and the "NOTHING" refers to the rest of the ship. Its pretty self explanatory really. Compare a diagram of the armour distribution on KGV and Nelson classes to that of the German ships. you'll notice that apart from the armoured "box" of the citadel (and one or two minor localised areas on their superstructure) the British battleships have virtually NO thinner armoured areas, as opposed to the German ships using the outdated "incremental" armour scheme, where multiple decks and vertical surfaces have armour of between 1 and 4 inches of armour just ripe enough to activate the fuses of incoming shells whilst not being proof to those same shells, as well as sizeable chunks of much heavier armour dotted around her superstructure. The hit on PoW's bridge as the photos you have no doubt already viewed will attest (they'll be there with the photos of PoW's perforated rear funnel) CLEARLY show the torn splinter plating on BOTH sides of the "flying" bridge and NOT the small area of 4 inch armour you suggest that actually faced the sides of the armoured conning tower 1 deck below. You're ALMOST correct in saying that the main armoured belt of the KGVs covered the area between the front of the A turret barbette and the rearmost point of the Y turret barbette in the same manner as Bismarck, but like Bismarck it did actually extend BEYOND those points with both fore & aft lower belt extensions, as well as having much heavier horizontal deck armour both fore and aft of the main turrets than Bismarck. I thought that we'd established that the idea of picking specific areas of a ship to target from 9 miles away was very much in the realm of "fantasy land", as the target you're aiming for is simply "the ship", with the precise point of impact being in the lap of the gods. Your erroneous "one bullseye is a lucky hit, 2 bullseye’s is skill and quality"s is once again drifting into the area of "nazi fanboism". You do realise that buying 2 lottery tickets does not halve the odds of winning, it merely gives you two chances at exactly the SAME outlandish odds that one ticket gives you. in the same manner two lucky shots are exactly that... two lucky shots. You cannot use a blunderbus of 8 x 15in shells to "snipe a bullseye" from 9 miles away. I'm glad you've given a fair appraisal of Bismarck's design, I'd equally like to state that I am NOT ignorantly attempting to diminish the quality of the German gunnery at Denmark Strait, but merely hoping to "keep it real".
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  174.  @WorshipinIdols  Look up "circular error probability" ... the RADIUS (and NOT the diameter)of a circle within which 50% of the impacts of a weapons projectiles can be expected to land.
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  175.  @WorshipinIdols  So now you've changed your original assertion from "Bismarck's hit wasn't luck but skill", to "everyone has a degree of luck". Thats fine by me. Of course the specific point of impact of ANY shell at longer ranges is affected by luck. The skill in long range naval gunnery is simply getting the shells within a couple of hundred feet of your intended target, the rest is providence. As for Bismarck "scoring hits with every salvo" that means that Bismarck must've only fired 3 salvoes at PoW, as that is the number of hits she achieved, when the truth is that there were plenty of salvoes that scored no hits (which is not to mock German gunnery, its just the nature of the game ), and as we agree none of the three hits detonated as intended, due to the design of PoW's armour scheme. Seems your entrallment with the German ships knows no bounds, attributing torpedoes to Bismarck (she had none fitted) and Prinz Eugen Who at no point during the Denmark Strait engagement was anywhere near in range to use her G7a TI steam torpedos even at their lowest speed setting. In what way do you consider that the RN "lost the battle"? Because of the loss of the Hood? What about the fact that Hood and PoW were tasked with preventing the German ships from breaking out into the Atlantic, and as a result of the action "operation Rhineübung" was stopped in its tracks and Bismarck then had to futilely run for its life back to France? Job done. Its the same reason that the RN won the battle of Jutland. German high seas fleet sets out to ambush the Home fleet with a view to breaking the RN North sea blockade, the RN suffers heavier losses BUT the blockade remains intact and the German fleet skulks back to port never to show its face again (except when it was surrendering to the RN at Scapa Flow).
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  176. No there was a HUGE amount of luck involved in Bismarck's hit on Hood's magazine. A full salvo of main gun fire from a battleship is analogous to a scatter of lead shot from a shotgun. During the battle of Denmark Strait, the Bismarck aimed at Hood from 8-9 nautical miles away. At that range the 38 cm SK C/34 (Bismarck's main armament) had a CEP (circular error probability - effectively the radius of a circle within which 50% of its shots would fall) of 100m. That means that if 8 of Bismarck's 15in guns fired at a single point 8-9 nm away, 4 of her shells would be expected to land (with completely random distribution) within an ellipse (think of it as a stretched circle, due to the angle of fall of the shells) measuring approximately 200m (660ft) wide, (or to put it another way 76% of HMS Hood's 860ft length), by more than two thousand feet long. The other 4 shots would land even further away from the aiming point. That being the case, how can an individual shell be aimed specifically at a tiny part of HMS Hood's structure, namely the 4in HA magazine, that its believed triggered off Hood's detonation? I'll give you a hint, there's a little clue in my paragraph above....where it says "completely random distribution". A simplified analogy is that if you prop a dartboard up 50 yards away and can consistently knock it over with a shotgun at that range then that is pretty good shooting, just as Bismarck / PE achieved during the Denmark Strait encounter. Now you can "knock the dartboard over" all day long with the shotgun and STILL NOT hit the bullseye (magazine) with an individual pellet. As opposed to being a skillful shot by knocking over the dartboard, whether you hit the bullseye with an individual pellet is complete luck. The idea of HMS PoW not being more heavily damaged because of the failure of the German fuses, was less to do with luck and much more to do with the KGV class's "all or nothing" armour scheme. PoW was hit by a total of seven German shells during the battle of Denmarck Strait and not ONE of them detonated as designed. This is because in the "all or nothing" system of armouring only the most vital "citadel" is heavily armoured, the rest of the ship's superstructure being comprised of standard naval "splinter" plating. This meant that a shell hitting non vital areas of the ship, instead of having their fuse activated by the shock of impacting on a substantial piece of armour instead passed through without detonating (or only partially detonating or with a delayed detonation) menaing that far less damage was inflicted on the ship.
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  177.  @akaj188  There were no British aircraft involved in the final battle on the 27th May, in fact Jack Tovey specifically ordered them to keep away. So that scuppers your rationale for why Bismarck made such a truly pathetic showing with her "superb German gunnery" in her final battle.
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  178. Some of us need more detail.... others don't. I'm sure there's a unicorn waiting somewhere for your attention.
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  179. No. At the start of the Denmark Strait encounter Prinz Eugen's chief gunnery officer (Korvettenkapitan Paulus Jasper) misidentified the two royal navy ships as "heavy cruisers" and consequently ordered the loading of high explosive rounds, when the 2 British ships were subsequently correctly identitified, he forgot to order a change to armour piercing rounds, and so for the whole Denmark strait battle Prinz Eugen was firing high explosive, which did not have the penetrating power to cause decisive damage to the British ships. Secondly both German ships initially concentrated their fire on HMS Hood, and both quickly obtained hits on her, but while they were busy doing that the untargetted HMS Prince of Wales landed several hits on Bismarck, and so Admiral Lütjens in Bismarck ordered Prinz Eugen to switch target to Prince of Wales, and this was who she was firing at when HMS Hood blew up.
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  180.  @tank3.095  "Hey look don't get all shirty because the RN smashed the French navy at Trafalgar" seems about as "funny" and "relevant" as your remark. Just saying.
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  181. You're forgetting that the KGVs had 10 main guns in THREE turrets not 8 main guns in FOUR turrets. Even using a simple rule of thumb thats a 25% decrease in armour requirement to protect the turrets, barbettes and magazines. Plus Bismarck's outdated incremental armour scheme meant there were mutliple thinner layers of armour distributed around the ship above her main deck armour, the KGVs did not have all that added weight of the additional armour layers, instead concentrating her weight of armour into her main deck and belt, one thicker piece of armour being more effective than multiple thinner pieces.
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  182. Bollocks. Up the Union. Shit all over the republic !!!
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  183.  @helloScuffed  I never said there wasn't. I just correctly stated that there is no record of black pilots flying during the battle. If there were any recorded taking part, I would freely acknowledge it. But there wasn't. Britain was in the VAST majority a white country then, and Fighter Command was 80% British born. I just like to keep the record straight, and free from modern revisionist twisting.
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  184. Footage taken from the 1969 film "battle of Britain". Most documentaries on the subject use footage from that. You'd best not watch any more.
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  185. And yet you're still here watching? Pity you didn't get your wallet out to retool a few factories to construct some brand new Bf 109s and He 111s.
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  186.  @patrickmoore620  Thank you for drawing my attention back to this thread. YT kindly never informed me of the ongoing conversation, hence my lack of response. Before I continue I'll clearly state it is NOT my intention to denigrate or insult Polish resolve during WW2, but merely to counteract the nonsense modern inflation of Polish achievements to try to demean the efforts of other (and not just British) nations. For all the Polish fanboys gushing nonsense in these threads, here are the figures you need to know about Poles in the battle of Britain before you start imagining them as some sort of Polish superpilots. Polish "Kościuszko" 303 Sqd total kill tally - 58.5 confirmed kills Squadron commander, Sqd Ldr Ronald Gustave Kellett (British) - 5 confirmed kills "A" Flight commander, Fl Lt John Alexander Kent (Canadian) - 6 confirmed kills "B" Flight commander, Fl Lt Athol Stanhope Forbes (British) - 7 confirmed kills. Sgt pilot Josef František (Czechoslovakian) - 17 confirmed Kills. Top RAF Fighter Command "kill tallies" during the battle of Britain. Flt Lt Eric Stanley Lock (English) - 21.5 confirmed kills. Sgt James Harry Lacey (English) - 18 confirmed kills. Flt Lt Archie Ashmore McKellar (Scottish) - 17.5 confirmed kills. Sgt Josef František (Czechoslovakian) - 17 confirmed kills. Pilot Off Colin Falkland Gray (New Zealand) - 15.5 confirmed kills. Flt Lt Witold Urbanowicz (Poland) - 15 confirmed kills. Nuff said.
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  187. Oh it's "Andrew the naughty little troll" again. The 58.5 confimed Polish kills certainly contributed to the total of 1733 luftwaffe aircraft lost to "enemy action" between July 10th and 31st October 1940, and we continue to honour and pay tribute to their contribution to the victory over totalitarianism.
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  188. Thank God for their service, and also thank you for yours as well Carole. All the best.
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  189. Its also a pity that Polish pride prevents them from passing due credit to the individual pilot who scored a full 30% of 303 Sqd's total kill tally.... The CZECHOSLOVAKIAN pilot Josef František.
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  190. One of the positives I've taken after reading so many inane and disrespectful comments in these threads is the number of very decent Greek citizens passing on their heartfelt condoloences. Best wishes to your beautiful country & people from the UK.
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  191.  @hhasslinger9601  Oh no !!! Not ANOTHER gullible dupe enthralled by nazism.
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  192. Please provide us with YOUR facts then please... or are you just an empty headed critic?
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  193. So why was "controlled Britain" capitalist and supported white Russia in its struggle with the Soviets after the revolution? Doh !!!!
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  194. I suppose you consider nazi hegemony over Europe, with Britain being the site of death camps in the Cotswolds, Pennines and Scottish Highlands, and all UK males of working age deported to the reich to be slaved to death in nazi armaments works or German infrastructure projects was preferable to today's world?
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  195.  @markshaw827  Ah!!! the true arseholery of your nature displayed for all to see. You silly silly little child.
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  196.  @markshaw827  Or the 20-27 million soviets deaths caused by the German attack on the Soviet Union? Or has the eastern front been "blown out of all proportion" too?
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  197. ​ @MrAkurvaeletbe  Oh so moral relativism rears its thick, slow witted head.... its okay to murder 600 civilians but beyond the pale to murder 20,000? Murder is murder, the Germans initiated the terror bombing in Spain (Guernica), Poland, the Netherlands, the UK, Yugoslavia, Greece and across the whole of the eastern front, but when they themselves are shown how to do it properly only THEN is it a "crime". Ever heard the saying "what goes round, comes round"?
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  198. Why would the allies not target civilians in retaliation? 5 years before the Dresden raid, the luftwaffe, using their much vaunted "X-gerat" targetting system which they themselves stated could place "target indicators" with an accuracy of 50 meters at a range of 200 miles first attempted to create a "firestorm" over the British city of Coventry on 14th Nov 1940 in "Operation Moonlight Sonata". Instead of targetting the industrial areas on the outskirts of the city, the radio beams used by the system crossed over the densely packed city centre where the luftwaffe first dropped oil bombs, followed by 1000s of incendiary bombs finally finishing off with 750 tons of high explosive onto the city centre..... and that was before a single British bomb had been intentionally dropped on a civilian German target. And you wonder why we bombed the living daylights out of German cities? https://youtu.be/5ujzVqwJnB0?t=31 "wind and whirlwind" indeed.
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  199. No, you're a dupe.
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  200.  @Dionysus784  The USSR was not crushed by 1943 SOLELY because of the support given to it by the western allies. Even Stalin thanked the west for their invaluable aid.... If only you'd takn notice of us in early 1941, you'd have been prepared for the launch of Barbarossa... but no, as ever the lefties think they ALWAYS know best.
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  201. Great social history. Thanks.
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  202.  @nozyy5684  Why not do some reading about the English civil wars and the menaing of the phrase "Constitutional monarch" before making completely uninformed comments in a public forum. It'll prevent you from typing total nonsense in future.
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  203. So what? They were allies of the nazis and had committed untold atrocities on the eastern front. Best place for em.
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  204. Nice bit of generlisation and national profiling. Worthy of the nazis themselves. I suppose the irony is lost on you.
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  205. They rarely do.
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  206. Fantastic material Mark, I'm an old fart who has read a LOT of material regarding WW2 (especially in Europe) throughout my years and this is something I have NEVER previously come across. Thank you also for relating to your many viewers the normally ignored massive supply of material from the UK to the USSR, which was conveyed largely via the "Arctic run" to Murmansk & Archangel under terrible conditions by our largely unsung merchant marine. Not forgetting too the enormous supply of fuel from British owned oil fields in Persia which the soviets used to bolster their own oil production.
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  207. So "classified" as to be complete BULLSHIT.
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  208. "Knickebein" was the original bombing system based on prewar blind landing equipment. This was defeated by the British broadcasting similar signals (the jamming signal was generated by hospital diathermy equipment which had been commandeered by the British war department) to interfere with it. The Germans then moved to a more advanced sytem known to them as "Wotan I" or "X-Gerat" which relied on two transmitters on the continent forming an intersecting "X" over the target. This was defeated by the British transmitting a false beam to intersect with one of the German beams and thereby creating an "X" intersection in the wrong place. The Germans then moved to another system known to them as "Wotan II" or "Y-Gerat" which worked using just one beam, this was defeated by the British using a counter transmission produced by the defunct "Alexandra Palace" TV transmitter in London to spoof the German aircrews into dropping their bombs in the wrong place. After these repeated defeats of German bombing radio navigation systems, the German gave up on their attempts to use radio navigation for that purpose. The whole electronic campaign against the German bombing systems was known as the "battle of the beams".
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  209. In British POW camps and the bottom of the English channel.
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  210. Complete bollocks.
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  211.  @Pygar2  The US military haven't decided on the exact target as yet.
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  212. Thats how you personally perceive his delivery. Not heard anyone else commenting as such.
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  213. Likewise my grandfather assisted in the recoveries of the 166 Liverpudlians killed during the bombing of the Clint Rd School in Wavertree Liverpool in Nov 1940... years before either of the tragedies your father witnessed.
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  214. There was a very early form of "cluster munition" in the form of "fletchettes" steel darts that were thrown out of aircraft by the handful over enemy trenches once the fighting had bogged down into static warfare. Not read any records of troops being hit by them, but wouldn't have been nice to be struck by a heavy pointed steel bolt falling from the sky at terminal velocity.
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  215.  @owensmith7530  That was obviously a factor in the reaction to the Chernobyl disaster, but the facts I've detailed in the OP (That is the emergency services radiological survey equipment playing merry hell for weeks after Chernobyl due to the fallout of α & β particle radiation in the north west of England, amongst other widespread areas across Europe so we're led to believe, are not hearsay, but first hand testimony. Any medical problems as a result of that fall out would not have been seen as a "mass extinction" event, but as a long term statistical rise in cancers and other related ailments. Milk & meat across the UK was tested for contamination due to farm animals grazing on areas of countryside that had been exposed to the same radioactive fallout dumped on it as I witnessed in Merseyside, usually in areas with higher statistical rainfall levels. The result was that large amounts of that produce was laballed as "unfit for human consumption" and taken out of the food chain, due to the fact that particle radiation is relatively harmless externally, but FAR more of a problem if ingested (For months afterwards we even used to occasionally & lightheartedly use the survey equipment to see if meat / milk we bought for the fire station crews meals was "glow in the dark" meat... but it never was), . You are aware of the process of low level pollutants being concentrated as they pass up the food chain aren't you?
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  216. Whereas the US forces after D-day to the "bulge" fought mostly German "stomach divisions" (The one exception being the 2nd Fallschirmjager Korps).... and then criticised the UK and Canadians who as you say faced the BRUNT of the elite German fighting divisions moving on Normandy from the Pas de Calais region in the east.
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  217. They were not freefall "impact" bombs. They were naval mines that were designed to operate completely differently, with a sensitive fuse mechanism that would have been destroyed by a high speed impact, even with the surface of water. The parachute "laid" the mine down gently and allowed the fuse device to "arm" itself, where it would then sit awaiting the first steel object to come near it before detonating. Some mines were also activated by sound. Also a normal freefall bomb will bury itself in the ground by anywhere upto 30ft before detonation. The resultant explosion would then have to move TONS of earth before breaking the surface which vastly reduces its blast radius. A delayed action naval mine sitting on the surface first of all created a MASSIVE problem for the defenders, meaning large numbers of people would first have to be evacuated, bringing factories and other nearby activities to a halt... sometimes for days at a time. Then if the mine did detonate the fact that it was on the surface and NOT 30ft underground meant that the noise, blast and subsequent damage to surface structures was MUCH larger.
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  218. Slight error. Mr & Mrs Gill of Victoria Rd Clacton, as it says on the memorial plaque were the First British civilians killed by enemy action ON THE BRITISH MAINLAND during WW2. The first British civilian casualty inflicted by the luftwaffe occured about one month earlier in the Orkney Islands on 16th March 1940 during a luftwaffe attack on the RN anchorage at Scapa Flow, when German bombs hit cottages near the junction of the A965 & A964 near Stenness, killing a 27 year-old County Council employee, James Isbister (luckily, his wife, baby son, and the elderly neighbour James was endeavouring to rescue from her adjacent bombed cottage all survived).
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  219. I have to say that "shooting yourself in the chest" doesn't sound very "half-hearted" to me, indeed it may have left Ms Braun with exactly half a heart.
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  220.  @finnberglander7816  Let me correct you, the first German bombs had landed on Britain in Oct 1939, the first British bombs to fall on German soil were in March 1940. I can provide you with the full details if you wish to do your own research.
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  221. Or also a tiny historical footnote that had no real bearing on the events.
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  222. Yes, they were warmly celebrated by the millions of inmates in their Europe wide death camp system.
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  223. You're comparing the the unfortunate and inexcusable occurence of "casual" sexual assault, which takes place within most societies on a fairly regular basis (exacerbated of course by the increased absence of women from combat soldier's day to day lives) with the state ordained murder of women by a totalitarian regime. Have a word with yourself, fool.
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  224. Victor's side's story? Or the Bullshitter's side? Hmmm tough choice.
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  225. Who was going to pay those unfinanced pensions? Hundreds of thousands of returning BRITISH ex-service personnel were treated no better. Britain had been utterly bankrupted by its efforts to save Europe and SE Asia during WW2. We'd already repaid our debt of honour. The Polish ex service personnel who were kindly granted UK citizenship after WW2 were NOT prisoners of the UK. The fact that nearly all >250,000 of them freely chose to stay in the UK says VOLUMES about how they felt they were treated.
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  226. It was no different to how hundreds of thousands of returning British heroes were treated. The UK as a nation was bankrupted by WW2.
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  227.  @arturgrodzicki1209  So you would have preferred an "alliance" with nazi Germany, Artur? You do realise the geopolitical situation at that time don't you? Germany's number 1 national priority was the establishment of an empire of COLONIES (and not power sharing allies) in the east as was outlined in the traditional German policy of "Drang nach osten" or as Hitler described it "lebensraum" which had existed since the 19th century. Do you honestly think it was Germany's intention to treat Poland "as an equal"? See how the nazis operated after the "Sudetenland Crisis" in 1938? After Britain and France had signed an agreement to not declare war on Germany after international scrutiny had shown that the Sudetenland openly wanted to join Germany... What happened next? After Czechoslovakia had been left without her "shield" of defensive border fortifications, months later Germany after having diplomatically "coerced" the weakened rump Slovak govt, simply drove in and occupied the rest of the "Czechoslovak protectorate", and then ruled Bohemia-Moravia as a nazi "puppet" with murderous intent.... THAT was the sort of trustworthy regime that you're suggesting Poland should have allied with. Britain and France declared war with the wishful intention of preventing that happening to Poland and to attempt to maintain (or restore) a balance of independent nations across Europe and not allow an all powerful German empire to hold sway over the rest of Europe.
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  228. What about the 450,000 UK citizens who died opposing the militarism that enslaved Poland?
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  229. Sold? How much dd we get for it? P.S I'm not aware of any thanks received by the UK from the Polish government for the 450,000 British citizens who died fighting the militarism that consumed Poland..... especially when the rest of the world apart from France didn't give two hoots as to whether Poland existed or not in 1939.
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  230. Mark, please tell us about the 1947 UK Polish resettlement Act and how the UK taxpayer took in hundreds of thousands of stateless Polish ex-service personnel and their families when nobody else gave a f*ck.....
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  231. Without knowing about the case, was it simply a case of a rich successful boxer, not paying his taxes and then the IRS caught up with him?
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  232. And indeed they got the best we could afford to give them.
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  233. Bollocks.
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  234.  @1rwjwith  That was back in the days when everyone in Liverpool either worked on the docks, sailed onboard merchant ships, or had someone in their family who did so. All gone now. Your father drew a "short straw" being sent onto destroyers...imagine going to sea in a small, wet, continually pitching & rolling metal drum and in constant danger.... and yet it was the likes of your father who helped keep this country going through its darkest days. I hope he managed to find his own happiness after the war. God bless all their memories and service. As for politicians... its ALWAYS been the same. The state of the world today is because of filthy politicos and corporate corruption... the VAST majority of ordinary people just want to be left to get on undisturbed with their daily lives.... its those at "the top" who are forever seeking further power and wealth. I'd NEVER fight in a war and I'd make sure neither would my kids. Let them at the top fight it out between themselves. All the best to you from the UK.
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  235.  @1rwjwith  You do realise that the UK had been completely bankrupted as a nation by the end of the second world war, and that her own returning service personnel were treated no better after having fought for the freedom of occupied Europe and the far east?
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  236.  @1rwjwith  I'm refering to major generals who were free to leave the UK at ANY time they wished, but who instead chose to live long lives in the safety of the UK, as opposed to short brutalised lives at the hands of the soviets who had stolen their own country.
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  237. What is? That Polish nationals who had no safe home to go to after WW2 were granted UK citizenship and then chose of their own free will to live out their long lives in the UK? You find that shameful? Hmmmm
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  238. You mean the same British establishment that handed full UK citizenship to nearly 300,000 Polish ex-service personnel AND the families in 1947? Some of the Poles that "you grew up with as neighbours" were likely beneficiaries of that gift, a gift which if they hadn't received it would have likely caused them to end up dead in a ditch in a remote Polish forest with a soviet bullet in the back of their heads. The Polish generals had been granted UK citizenship, they did not have to accept it, they were at liberty to leave and go wherever they chose, they CHOSE to stay in the UK. Mustn't have been THAT bad after all. No shame involved.
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  239. Maybe read more widely and comment less. Here's some primers for your impending research.... US 82nd Airborne Division and Groesbeek Heights.
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  240. Unbiased? Hmmm why has Mark failed to research or include VERY relevant information regarding the "1947 UK Polish resttlement act" that gave full UK citizenship and residency rights to nearly 300,000 Polish ex-service personnel and their families?
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  241. So what? You ignorant freeloader... Wars cost money, the British empire BANKRUPTED itself and sacrificed 450,000 of its citizens to overthrow Poland's oppressors. Poles weren't fighting to "save Britain" they were fighting the evil that had enslaved and was murdering their own country.... our common enemy. Do you stupidly expect the British taxpayer to pay for YOUR war effort? Guess what? at the end of the war the US handed the UK a bill for TENS of BILLIONS of dollars for ALL the food, weapons and supplies she had SOLD to us during WW2. Can you guess when the UK finished paying off those debts?..... 2006!!! Pay your way soft lad, don't expect others to pay for you !!!
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  242.  @phlm9038  Thank you for that recommendation Phil, I'll give it some "looking at". All the best.
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  243. While enjoying Mark's work as ever, AND fully sympathising with the tragic plight of Poland both during AND post WW2, I wonder if maybe Mark himself would've been so eager to be in the front lines in mid 1945, spoiling for another fight with the soviets at the start of WW3 in a Europe already bled white by five and a half years of bloody tumult. How exactly apart from ANOTHER round of unimaginable blood letting was "the west" meant to free Poland from the thieving hands of the massively powerful Soviet regime then entrenched in eastern and central Europe, nuclear weapons maybe? How exactly do you construe that we "handed over Poland", when we never had possession of the country in the first place, it having been "liberated" from the horrors of nazism by the communists? Then further considering that the Soviets had reneged on the hard fought for agreement at the Feb 1945 Yalta conference to the forming of a postwar democratic "Polish provisional government of national unity", then when the time came they refused to carry out their part in the agreement? I'd suggest that "Faced down" by the Soviets is a more accurate description of the postwar European situation, than the cosy and slightly devious "handed over" nonsense. If someone was to steal your TV set and when you catch them, the well muscled and aggresive perpetrator threatens to harm you if you take it back, is it YOUR fault that the TV set has been stolen? I'm also surprised to see how Mark failed to even mention the 1947 UK Polish resettlement act, the act passed by Clement Attlee's labour government that gave hundreds of thousands of Polish ex-service personnel (and their families) full UK citizenship and residency rights complete with access to the newly instituted benefits of the UK welfare system, then coming "online", saving them from becoming "stateless" people after, as Mark says, the land of their birth had been stolen from them by the soviets. As far as I'm aware Britain was the first country to pass such a law post WW2, with France following suit in 1948 before the shamefaced US was embarrassed into doing likewise in 1949. Life after war is bloody awful for most people. Of course the Polish generals were treated poorly, just as millions of all nationalities were. Should being "a general" automatically entitle you to better treatment than "others" who also suffered injury, loss & sacrifice? My own father, conscripted into the Royal Navy from his job in "civvy street" in 1939 was, in late 1945, handed a "demob suit" and told unceremoniously to "f*ck off", after having suffered the lasting emotional trauma of the sinking of his ship (HMS Dorsetshire) in the Indian ocean in 1942, and narrowly avoiding death during the Salerno landings when HMS Warspite was hit by "Fritz X" bombs, leaving him with permanently damaged hearing.... indeed he had to wait 45 years until 1988 to receive any form of compensation for the injury that he carried to his grave, a paltry "disablement pension" from the UK government, inspite of working all his life paying his taxes until his retirement. The expectation that "generals" are somehow automatically worthy of better treatment is complete nonsense, and of course the British establishment looked after its own, just as ANY country would do the same. I'd really like to see the spotlight of Mark's excellent research shone onto that "kicked over ant's nest" of post WW2 European geo politics, as my own knowledge is admittedly patchy, but from what I've read over various sources it rarely matches up to the popular perception of the events (as witnessed by a fair proportion of the uninformed comments in sections such as these on YT).... it could make an entire series all by itself.
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  244. And a safe country to live in, free from communist murder and torture.
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  245. If only the globalist puppet Justin had been a peasant farmer in Ukraine 1941.
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  246. Ukrainians who served in the Waffen-SS are by that simple fact "Waffen-SS". It's not rocket science lad.
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  247.  @lindabowman2868  "Following orders", yes indeed, orders to take dictation.
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  248. She was a secretary with no executive powers. What would you prosecute her for?
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  249. For what? Being a secretary?
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  250. One of your best Videos Mark... After hearing about Elsa from the Liverpool Echo "back in the day", I always found her story of being someone at the very centre of one of human history's most pivotal episodes, living as a housewife in post war Wirral FASCINATING, and to see some of the primary source material from the "archive delving" that you undertook was gripping stuff. Thank you very much for your efforts.
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  251. What do you expect when your country rests between Germany and the USSR?
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  252. And you think the Soviet offer of 1 million Red Army troops on Polish soil was for "Polish protection"? There's one born every minute.
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  253. Mark never mentioned it because what you say is completely wrong. With regard to the non-appearance of Polish forces during the London "1946 Victory parade" the problem lay SQUARELY with POLAND. The first invites sent out by the UK Labour Govt of Clement Attlee to ALL the nations who had fought for the Allied cause during WW2 (INCLUDING Poland, USSR & Yugoslavia) were sent out weeks in advance of the parade. The Polish invite in particular was quite understandably delivered to the Polish "Provisional Government of National Unity" ( the "TRJN" or Tymczasowy Rząd Jedności Narodowej) based in Warsaw, which was the OFFICIAL Polish govt as recognised by the international community in the form of the "United Nations", and NOT just by Britain alone. The TRJN was the same govt that it was intended the London based Polish nationalist Govt in exile would become an intrinsic part of, as agreed to by ALL sides at the Yalta conference in Feb 1945.... (although the soviets subsequently saw to it that this never actually happened). This invite sent directly to Warsaw immediately raised a storm of protest from the Polish nationalist govt in exile based in London who, with some justification, felt they had been sidelined in the matter, their anger was supported by many British MPs, senior ranks within the UK armed forces & members of the British public. With only days left before the parade was due to take place, and with no reply or even acknowledgement of the British invite from the OFFICIAL Polish TRJN govt in Warsaw, the British govt then hurriedly & belatedly sent out a SECOND INVITE to the Polish Govt in Exile in London, (as well as directly to many individual Polish service personnel), but as one united group they CHOSE to ignore the British invite to register their anger and disgust at being treated as "second fiddle" to the Warsaw govt. And the final Ignominy? The Warsaw TRJN govt never did answer or even acknowledge the original invite from the UK (as neither did the USSR or Yugoslavia) and never attended the parade either. As you can see the Polish "non appearance" was solely down to a poisonous bitter mix of political hatred (from Warsaw) and hubris (from the London Poles), and NOTHING to do with this imaginary "Poles weren't invited to the parade" nonsense. As I've described above the Polish nation was actually the ONLY allied nation to receive TWO invites to the parade. Now please go and burn the communist schoolbooks your country was forced to read between 1945 and 1990.
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  254. Why would Mark do that? Its not the truth, the truth being the Poland was the ONLY country to receive TWO invites to the parade, but through a poisonous mixture of Polish political hatred and hubris CHOSE not to attend. But you keep on believing the left wing agitprop.
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  255. No.
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  256. Provocative? Hahaha. Please tell us how the US/NATO sphere of influence now has tanks, ships and Aircraft loitering around EVERY border of Russia. NATO forces carrying out "joint exercises" along the very western borders of Russia, compared to 30 years ago when NATO in Europe could get no closer than 1400km to Russia's western border. Interesting to note how the US withdrew from the scheme first.
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  257. He was jailed.... in Landsberg prison.
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  258. BS
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  259. No they're not.
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  260.  @deoglemnaco7025  Why would you come on a public forum, declare that your grandfather was an "enforcer" for a tyrannical government, and then expect sympathy for his sad ending?
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  261. I came to exactly the same conclusion many years back. Knows how everyone else has got it wrong, but never gives ANY firm sign of his own thoughts or his own alternatives solutions... Merely sits back with his plummy drawl scoffing at others... I can do that myself.
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  262.  @LM-eu8le  Lovely to read a warm, kind human comment. Quite a few unkind comments in these threads. What's wrong with some people. Kindest regards to you all on Symi from the UK.
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  263. Older people remember when the US threatened the world with global nuclear destruction in 1962 when the USSR sited THEIR weapons on a client state's soil 90 miles off the US coast.... an now corporate US turds want you to believe its RUSSIAN Aggression in Ukraine !!! Globalist mouthpiece channel alert !!!!
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  264.  @jmhorange  "As an American, I understand that Europe is able to spend a lot of money for their people because we provide their defense" Just as the US proxies whose defence you subsidise provide the manpower to protect YOUR shores from harm.
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  265. You HAVE to be joking !!! The amount of utter tripe that is posted in comments is beyond belief !!! They could do with combing out all the BS.... mind you there wouldn't be much left.
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  266. More billions handed to the MIC while the NHS and the fabric of the UK continues to fall to pieces and our borders are left "porous". Ditch all this unnecessary BS, and maintain the fabric of our nation and PROPERLY police our OWN borders instead of "projecting power" to other parts of the world that don't want it.
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  267. You've no idea have you? Why not read about the "slave triangle" and how it worked. Until the 1940s VERY few ethnics lived in the UK.
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  268.  @jonsouth1545  And if you need official confirmation that I am correct in my assertion, look no further than the UK government website from which I shall quote DIRECTLY : "Recipients of the 1939-45 Star may also be eligible for: Battle of Britain Clasp Bomber Command Clasp Clasps are worn on the ribbon of the 1939 to 1945 Star. To qualify for the Battle of Britain Clasp to the 1939-45 Star, you MUST have: SERVED AS AIRCREW ON A FIGHTER AIRCRAFT been engaged in the Battle of Britain between 10 July 1940 and 31 October 1940" Please note my added CAPITALISATION. If your nonsense were correct, the criteria would state either: "served as aircrew in the RAF during the battle of Britain" or specify the additional criterion of "Taken part in offensive bomber operations during the battle of Britain" Which it DOESN'T. Furthermore Air ministry Order A.M.O. A.544/1946 Section 12 states that (and again I quote directly) " COs are not to admit claims for this highly prized emblem which are open to any possible doubt. The clasp is not available for personnel who flew in aircraft other than fighters, notwithstanding that they may have been engaged with the enemy during the qualifying period". And again A.M.O. N.850 BATTLE OF BRITAIN A.344696/60/S.7 - 9th November 1960 "Aircrew who flew at least one operational sortie in fighter aircraft of these units during the period shown in (1) above, may submit a claim for a silver gilt rose emblem denoting a Clasp to the 1939-45 Star. The Clasp will not be issued to aircrew who did not fly in fighters even though they may have been engaged with the enemy in the air during the qualifying period." How does your revisionist nonsense explain that? Maybe you'd best contact HM Govt and inform them that their medals and awards criteria are incorrect, and that you know better? QED 4.08 : 1 IS correct. Game, set & match to the men of RAF FIGHTER COMMAND, I think.
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  269.  @jonsouth1545  And yet not one single RAF bomber defended against the ~2600 Luftwaffe aircraft that flew over Britain. What part of RAF Bombers hitting the continent (and thereby taking part in the RAF bomber offensive) not being part of the battle of Britain do you NOT understand? During May 1941 While the Royal Navy was hunting down the Bismarck, other units of the RN were busy trying to counter the German invasion of Crete, and yet no-one ever says that forces A-E that took part in the mediterranean conflict were involved in the Hunt for the Bismarck. Just because two things happen simultaneously does not mean that they are part of the same thing. You're deviously trying to conflate two completely seperate events to diminish the accomplishment of Fighter Command. And as for your "it was a tactical draw", such nonsense, you're simply just another crypto-lefty revisionist trying to diminish Britain's 1940 victory. That 4.08 : 1 strength ratio still stands.
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  270.  @jonsouth1545  What part of my typing "a fair aggregation of SERVICEABLE aircraft (Which does NOT include the Do 18s / FW 200s etc of the Küstenfliegers or Ju52s etc of KG zbV1 or other assorted offensive units stationed in Germany / Poland) as of July / August 1940" Do you NOT understand? The figures I've provided with regard to German force strength can be seen in any number of publications on the battle. You state 2550, my figures state 2634 Don't split hairs over that. Please concisely explain what part did Whitleys, Wellingtons, Hampdens & Battles play in repelling the Luftwaffe air assault on Britain During 1940? I will answer for you, they played NO PART in the defending against the Luftwaffe's air assault, therefore Britain's defending force was 645 fighters against Germany's assaulting force of ~2600 aircraft. and my figure of 645 fighters comes from air ministry files (as I stated above Boxfile AIR 40/1207) via the UK national arvchives. Therefore the offensive / defensive force ratio is as I stated above is approximately 4.08 / 1. QED.
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  271. The point being that he had flown in the Polish airforce after the invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1939. Then flew with the French airforce, and follwing the fall of France flew with 303 squadron during the battle of Britain.
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  272. God bless your grandfather and his friends. You chest swells justifiably with pride to see him. And we all thank him as well. Respects.
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  273. He WAS honoured by his country being "raised" to the peerage as Baron Dowding of Bentley Priory, also being inducted into a number of Royal orders (Order of the bath, Royal Victorian order & the Most Distinguished Order of Saint Michael and Saint George)... it was some contemporary politicians and the organisation of the RAF itself in particular that vindictively treated him shabbily, due to him having committed the crime of publicly proving that he was right, and that those in charge on whose toes he stepped were wrong. In the eyes of those whose views I would like to believe he held most highly, those being the pilots of Fighter command and the British general public, He has ever since been regarded as a British national hero, even during his own lifetime.
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  274. As someone else very succintly put on another vid. German bombing of other European cities. Lefties : ................... Allied bombing of German cities. Lefties : OMG !!! MURDERERS !!! BUTCHERS!!!! WAR CRIMES !!!! WAR CRIMES !!!!
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  275. Ordinary British people still remember the sacrifice of your great uncle and his compatriots every remembrance sunday in the UK.
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  276. Top RAF Fighter Command "kill tallies" during the battle of Britain. Flt Lt Eric Stanley Lock (English) - 21.5 confirmed kills. Sgt James Harry Lacey (English) - 18 confirmed kills. Flt Lt Archie Ashmore McKellar (Scottish) - 17.5 confirmed kills. Sgt Josef František (Czechoslovakian) - 17 confirmed kills. Pilot Off Colin Falkland Gray (New Zealand) - 15.5 confirmed kills. Flt Lt Witold Urbanowicz (Poland) - 15 confirmed kills. Nuff said. Luftwaffe aircraft losses June 1940 to Oct 1940 ~1900 Confirmed kills by Polish 303 Sqd in the same period 57.5
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  277. Its good to hear that from the UK "bigace". There are plenty of those who wish to see our two countries torn asunder. Thank you for your own service in a misguided war as usual started by corrupt politicians, but that is no reflection on yourself and your comrades and the resolve and courage you displayed. All the best.
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  278. Actually outnumbered 4 to 1 !!!
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  279.  @greghill7759  The Poles were invaluable, no mistake. But this suggestion that they were somehow "superpilots" doesn't stand upto scrutiny. The simple fact of the matter is that the Polish pilots in Britain had been filtered through 11 months of previous air combat. The less successful pilots had already been lost, and the more successful pilots had made it through to Britain, where their previous combat experience and contribution was highly praised. By comparison the vast majority of RAF fighter squadrons at the start of the battle had seen relatively little (if any) combat, and subsequently through the summer experienced the same air combat filtering process the Poles had already survived. Look at the most successful pilots both at the end of the battle and the end of the war, and all the countries are represented proportionately. Plus the British provided the Polish pilots with the finest modern fighter aircraft to help continue our fight against their country's oppressors, instead of having to do battle in death trap antiques such as the PZL.11. Remember 75% of RAF fighter command pilots were of British mainland birth, and ALL the remaining 25% EQUALLY deserve our thanks and credit.
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  280. I thought I'd create a simple "visual aid" in order to assist people learning about the history of the battle of Britain. There is much ongoing debate about the nationalities and proportions of RAF fighter pilots who took part in the battle, with a furtive aspect which attempts to portray the battle as a victory of mostly "Foreign pilots". Below is an accurate graphical representation of the proportion of pilot nationalities serving within RAF Fighter Command during the summer of 1940. Each flag is roughly equivalent to 30 pilots. 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧UK (2342) 🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱 Poland (145) 🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿 New Zealand (127) 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦 Canada (112) (1940 flag emoji not available) 🇨🇿🇨🇿🇨🇿 Czechoslovakia (88) 🇦🇺 Australia (32) 🇧🇪 Belgium (28) 🇿🇦 S. Africa (25) (1940 flag emoji not available) 🇺🇳 Other nations (France (13), R o Ireland (10), USA (9), Rhodesia (3), Newfoundland (1), Jamaica (1), Barbados (1)) (And just to preempt the idiot lefty "Identity warriors" from protesting about "The lack of credit given to the black pilots who fought in the battle of Britain"... the two pilots from the Caribbean were of white British descent).
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  281.  @dovetonsturdee7033  Thank you Doveton for taking up where I left off. YT's "AI", as is its want, seems to have randomly decided to not notify me of "Mark's" further nonsense posts, but I see you've handeld them as well as ever.
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  282. Why would it be mentioned? "Adlertag" was 13th August 1940, 303 squadron did not become operational until August 31st 1940.
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  283. And the relation of that thorny problem to the battle of Britain is?
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  284. You mean who played a part in the overall picture of the victory?
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  285. Please explain that claim for us if you would.
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  286. And another thing, I've just re-read a post of yours above, sobbing about the Poles having to pay "millions in gold" for the weapons & supplies etc they received from Britain during WW2. The Polish government in exile AGREED in July 1940 to pay for ALL its equipment & supplies provided by Britain in EXACTLY the same way that Britain agreed to repay TENS OF BILLIONS of dollars to the US for equipment and services it supplied to us during WW2, and which we only finished repaying in 2006. Is modern day Poland a country of freeloaders? Contrary to what uninformed commenters on youtube think, fighting a war does not come cheap. EVERYTHING required to fight a conflict HAS to be paid for, the equipment, supplies & food etc are not kindly donated by private enterprise. In the 20th century Britain bankrupted itself fighting 2 world wars, moving from the world's biggest lender to the world's biggest debtor in the space of 4 decades. When Britain fought to overcome the tyrants who had destroyed your country, did you expect them to provide you with weapons, ammunition, food, and bases for free? Was the British taxpayer supposed to write out a blank cheque to re-equip and sustain the defeated Polish armed forces? Would you expect ME to repay YOUR debts?
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  287.  @muttley7196  Strangely enough the study of Seelöwe carried out in the 1970s, using wartime primary sources from both Britain and Germany, and overseen by military experts (as well as veterans) from both sides suggested a mauled & weak German landing force being strangled in a matter of days by the Royal Navy. If you search the conclusions are available to read online.
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  288. What makes me "smh" is the way corporate globalism BS us about "diversity" while their whole agenda is about mixing up the races / nationalities with the aim of eventually producing an homogenised, mocca coloured "one world population" where there is absolutely zero "diversity". Put milk in your tea, give it a stir, and see how "diverse" the two liquids look then.
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  289. He obviously hadn't flown over Warsaw, Rotterdam, Coventry, Liverpool or London when they were in flames....
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  290. Rest assured Mr Turing being a persecuted homosexual so beloved of "identity politics" SJW's is FAR from forgotten.
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  291.  @jimkluska253  Yes, while I'm sure the "delivery vehicle" of the Jupiter PGM 19 MRBM were dated as the technology raced ahead, I'm also sure that their 1.4 megaton war heads were STILL as effective and threatening as when they had been sited in Turkey and Italy 4 years before the Cuban missile crisis. If they hadn't been forced to remove them from Europe they would have in their time been replaced with more upto date rockets, but that wasn't possible after their withdrawal. but regardless of that the whole matter became academic to BOTH sides as the technology progressed to develop longer ranged missiles. Don't try to wriggle out of it, the US was manoeuvred into withdrawing its forward medium range ballistic missiles, and yet still managed to portray it as "an American victory".
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  292.  @chadmendoza2000  A game of nuclear chess.... US moved its pawn to check the USSR "king" but was forced by a clever soviet counter move to retreat its threatening pawn.
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  293. Face it lad, Bismarck was BUMMED to death. Spit roasted and tag teamed by two superior British battleships.
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  294.  @dovetonsturdee7033  Last week I read a quote attributed to Jonathon Swift.... to paraphrase the quote. "You cannot reason a person out of an opinion they never reasoned themselves into".
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  295. "The British have built up Bismarck"? I think you'll find it was Joesph Goebbels' propaganda ministry, ably assisted by current day impressionable "wehraboos"....us Brits are typically understated, "hiding our light under a bushell" is more our style... as opposed to the US national character.
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  296. It wasn't all good, you're still here.
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  297. V/Adm Holland in HMS Hood had maintained strict radio and radar silence on his approach to intercept the German ships. The upside of this was the German's complete ignorance of (and lack of evasive action to avoid) the approach of major units of the RN. The downside was that V/Adm Holland was not able to radio his estimated time of interception, or his intended actions to the two shadowing RN heavy cruisers. Therefore when the big guns opened up at 5:52am on the morning of the 24th May, Wake-Walker in command of the 2 shadowing heavy cruisers had to immediately race to gain gunnery range, but as they were already shadowing at high speed the rate of closing was very small, with the result that they were not in a position to take an active part in the engagement before it was all over.
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  298. The truth being that Piorun did NOT use her torpedoes, (the only one of the five destroyers of her flotilla not to do so), she was straddled by Bismarck's main armament on two occasions, and withdrew from the clash after an hour and lost contact with Bismarck taking no further part in the engagement, while the other 4 RN destroyers continued to engage Bismarck throughout the rest of the night. I am not highlighting these facts to belittle the crew of ORP Piorun, who were indeed valiant if not slightly indisciplined, but to set the record straight as so much inaccurate nonsense is spoken about her actions, while the equally gallant actions of her flotilla comrades (HMS Cossack, Maori, Sikh & Zulu) are usually totally ignored.
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  299.  @richardbushey2666  So what happened on the 27th? how come the "superior german stereoscopic rangefinders" failed to land a single hit? Bismarck was SMASHED by 14'/16' guns with coincidence rangefinders and Type 271 radar.
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  300. Well more like dodgy magnetic exploders on the German torps.
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  301.  @PhilipLeitch  I don't demonstrate my point? Have you demonstrated YOUR point? I've provided FIRST hand accounts of it happening, but you choose to ignore it. You're ANOTHER self appointed "expert" making ridiculous blanket statements to make you sound authoratative, but failing miserably. When does a sailor bobbing momentarily under the water have to hold his lungs to bursting point as described in the example I provided you, by Ted Briggs? You even display your lack of understanding, by stating a case, that of Titanic (in which you make the seemingly groundless assumption that none of the 1512 deaths were caused by drowning by suction, can you direct me to where that is stated by a reputable source?), and even IF what you state was true then you baselessly extrapolate out from that to conclude that it somehow proves that suction NEVER happens, whereas I quite correctly state that while it may not happen in every situation, that it can and does happen when all of the myriad factors & forces in a complex dynamic system, i.e a large sinking ship, create the right conditions for it to happen. Its the same as concluding that inspite of all the lightning strikes I've witnessed in my life, that because I've NEVER seen or know of anyone who has been struck by lightning, that proves that all the cases where people say they've been struck can be safely discounted as hearsay.
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  302.  @turdferguson2839  Bismarck never once attempted to surrender. As Admiral Tovey states after the battle... "The Bismarck had put up a most gallant fight against impossible odds worthy of the old days of the Imperial German Navy, and she went down with her colours flying." You seem to mistake an individual's desire to surrender fr that of the parent unit. How wrong you are.
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  303. It was estimated that around 700 Bismarck crewmen were in the water, Dorsetshire and Maori were compelled to leave after having rescued 111 men between them.
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  304.  @simonpitt8145  For some reason YT did not notify me of your reply 5 months ago, I've only spotted it now due to a notification of Geoff's comment above. 1. By "easy" I assume you mean the million to one golden shot? Hood had the same armour protection as a Queen Elizabeth battleship such as HMS Warspite that had survived everything the Kaiser's navy could throw at her when during WW1 at Jutland her steering motors overheated and she circled alone twice in front of the entire German battle fleet, and then went on into WW2 surviving encounters with Italian battleships and nazi glider bombs. The effort required to bring Bismack to task was as much governed by the operational / geographical situation, as it was down to the combat effectiveness of Bismarck. Consider how earlier in the year Scharnhorst & Gneisenau had roamed the North Atlantic during "Operation Berlin" for weeks without being brought to combat. it's easy from the comfort of an armchair to underestimate the effort required to find a fast ship at sea that doesn't want to be found. 2. Refer to my response to Geoff Barney above. 3. "Half the RN" you say? The ships involved in the search for Bismarck represented less than 20% of the RN establishment, and as I say above they were required to corral a fast battleship in the vastness of the 41 million square mile North Atlantic in the era before satelittes, GPS, advanced radar and comprehensive long range aircraft coverage were "a thing". Once Bismarck had been located and slowed down, she was rapidly dismantled in short order by two better armed and armoured RN battleships. Also I'll freely correct my "full speed" comment to the more factually correct "as fast as her damaged hull and reduced fuel bunkerage would allow". 4. We both know that a single Japanese torpedo hit the support strut of PoW's outer port propellor shaft which then enabled the unsupported propellor shaft to destroy the water integrity of over 40% of her hull and bring down her main electrical systems. If you read some more about the actual events of that day you'll see that the Japanese aircrew were so impressed by the handling of the 2 doomed ships in an insurmountable situation that their commander overflew the scene the following day to drop a wreath in their honour. No operational battleship on earth in the same (ridiculous) situation at that time (Dec 1941) would have performed any better. 5. I fully understand the various reasons for Bismarck's poor performance on 27th May (apart from the usual uninformed parrotted "she was sailing round in circles" nonsense) including her being harangued all night by the 5th destroyer flotilla to break down her crew, an effective tactical decision made by Admiral Tovey, but when you say "a million to one lucky shot" to her rudders, as Gary Player once said "the more I practice the luckier I get", and the FAA practiced quite a lot seeing as they also put a torpedo into the rudders of Vittorio Veneto at the battle of Cape Matapan, (and indeed as the equally skillful Japanese torpedo bomber pilots did to PoW at Singapore) The rudders of a ship were the hard to hit but "destination of choice" for an aerial torpedo seeing as 75% of the rest of the hull was protected by elaborate torpedo defence systems. Also please don't view my critique of Bismarck purely as trying to diminish her combat worthiness, but as a balance to the gushing pre-pubescent nonsense spouted by legions of impressionable wehraboo children in ALL Bismarck comment sections. 6. Agreed that the choice of unreliable magnetic detonators was questionable in the first place, (As I'm sure you know ALL navies at the time were having their own problems with the relatively new technology of influence fuses), but if you're talking luck, then if Bismarck's "lucky strike" on Hood had not likely impacted her 4in HA magazine and set off the domino effect, then she would have completed her turn to port, and then engaged in a bloody, close in "knife fight" that would have seen both of them crippled or sunk, with the result that Bismarck would not have got as far as she did. All the best Simon.
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  305. No accounting for a lucky "million to one shot", plus its harder trying to sink a ship thats constantly running away from you at full speed., as soon as she was caught she was reduced to a floating target in 20 minutes. How EPIC !!!
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  306. I stopped reading at genocidal.... oh dear you've lost the plot.
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  307. What ???
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  308. Complete BS.
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  309. It's the traditional delusion of the Germans who REFUSE to believe they can be bested in combat. Inspite of the REPEATED examples of them being drubbed through the centuries. This video gives an illustration of the German mindset. https://youtu.be/UijhbHvxWrA
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  310.  @Jimkerk  Imagine being a civilian crewman onboard a 4000 ton unarmed merchant ship and a 51,000 heavily armed & armoured battleship decided its going to use you for a bit of "target practice". That was also the type of world that Bismarck was living in. War is shit... there is NO other way to describe it.... the only people who profit being the politicos and the arms manufacturers... just as we still see today in Ukraine.
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  311. Its life Jim, but not as we know it. IF any scuttling actually took place then all that was scuttled was a 51000 ton mountain of sinking, flaming scrap metal. All guns silenced, her superstructure devastated, her main armour belt broken and penetrated in several places, her command staff physically obliterated, internally aflame from end to end, her stern and port gunwales already underwater, a thousand of her crew dead, and further hundreds of her crew already in the water behind her.... All that any scuttling did was to sink her a few minutes earlier than was already happening. In the world of boxing the crew's scuttling efforts are what is known as "throwing in the towel", submission of a boxer AFTER he has been punched senseless by a more skillful & powerful opponent, and only a deluded child would say, "the victor didn't win because his opponent killed himself before he lost.", when the truth is the loser had his arse ripped off by the victor and handed back to him on a plate. Imagine the ignominy of being forced to commit suicide by your opponent?
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  312.  @TTTT-oc4eb  I'm fully aware of your appraisal of German industrial production during WW2. Germany did after all have the largest economy in Europe for MANY years before WW2. But remember that comparative military industrial production figures ignore a few vital factors. 1. The UK although relatively dwarved in the overall tank production figures race had a FAR larger navy that grew massively during WW2, something the nazis hardly bothered with at all. 2. The UK did not dip deeply (or indeed at all) into a pool of slave labour with which to bolster its industrial output. If it hadn't been for the legions of slave workers from across Europe then the German army would have collapsed in 1943-44. Your estimation of German tank welfare during the latter years of WW2 is unrealistic tosay the least. As I said above, kept in showroom condition and handled by well trained crews I'm sure the German tanks did have very good reliability figures. Then look at reality where by 1944 German army replacements were getting younger and younger, with less and less training. Read any first hand account of German tank crews during the latter years of WW2 and see how common it was for German tanks to be abandoned for mechanical damage by poor handling and just as commonly fuel shortages. Remember in a retreat any vehicle not able to move is lost to the enemy. Those tanks that did make it to front line servicing units were by all accounts far harder to maintain that the far more plentiful allied sherman where an engine and transmission could be replaced in an hour, often from a cannibalised "donor". While the German engines could be swapped out in reasonable time if a replacement was available, a broken transmission was the end of the line for MANY a German heavy tank. Try letting a 17 year old with little training take possesion of a brand new Porsche for a week or two, and see what mechanical condition its returned to you in at the end of that period. As opposed to the western allies who were fielding ever more highly competent crews both on the ground and in the air, they were so oversupplied with trained crews that many western allied military training programmes such as the CATP (commonwealth air training plan) were being scaled back by mid to late 1944.
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  313. Rich, prewar testing of Hood's deck armour showed it was effective against 15in gunfire at anywhere less than 20° angle of fall. At the range that Bismarck hit Hood from the angle of fall was in the region of 11° to 13°. The modern hypothesis is that a shell from Bismarck landed short of Hood, and travelled a short distance underwater before penetrating under Hood's side belt armour before setting off a series of events that ended with her main magazines detonating. If you'd like a tour through that current theory, then this is probably the best video you will see on the subject. https://youtu.be/CLPeC7LRqIY
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  314.  @martinschnelle3077  I apologise if there's too many words for you to comprehend, Martin, unfortunately the subject of ship armouring and metallurgy is difficult to encapsulate in a few words, as you yourself demonstrated in your first post. I simply highlighted the errors of your post, gave a very brief summary of the standard of WW2 naval armouring, and then pointed you to as MUCH information as you care to read to back up that summary. I then followed that summary with a SIGNAL example of the limits of German warship armour, I can tell you're disappointed it doesn't support your "nazi nazi über alles" delusion, It's a pity you can't write to Mr Okun to tell him that he has it all wrong with regards to Bismarck's armoured belt as he sadly passed away in January this year. Yes Rodney's & KGV's shells did indeed destroy much of Bismarck's superstructure, including the 16" shell that penetrated the 350mm armour of Bismarck's armoured conning tower.
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  315.  @Kyle-sr6jm  Bang on Kyle.... well said.
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  316. Great work Drach. But will it reduce the tide of delusional juveniles who believe her crew sank an unblemished ship "to stop the Brits from getting their hands on it" (I ask you!!!) ? I think not, but I don't mind... I enjoy toying with them for a few minutes at some point most days. Keep up the good work. (BTW how's the U-534 project coming along?)
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  317. The "massive damage port amidships" is where HMS Dorsetshire's last torpedo impacted on Bismarck's main deck due to the severe list to port she had been taking on for the previous hour.
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  318.  @drakron  Whilst keeping in mind that ALL war is a crime against humanity, usually initiated by the rich and powerful to swell their coffers at the expense of the poor and powerless, Please explain exactly where a "technical" war crime was committed during Bismarck's sinking?
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  319. "Choosing such an idiot for the position", You seem to be forgetting that 3 months eariler Lütjens had commanded "operation Berlin", where he took the Kriegsmarine's "twins" into the Atlantic, sinking / capturing 22 allied merchant ships, and successfully evading the RN's efforts to engage. As for Dorsetshire's torpedoes, listen to what one of the world's most experienced and knowledgeable marine forensic experts, Bill Jurens, thinks about the matter. https://youtu.be/9xX8XGMMXhE?t=3887 I'm no wehraboo apologist, but the failure was FAR from solely caused by Lütjens but mainly by the Kriegsmarine top brass ordering Rhineübung to take place inspite of it being under supported against a FAR stronger enemy, at a time when the German surface fleet was already losing the technology & resources battle. Lütjens suspected that was the case, but was duty bound to follow his orders.
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  320.  @WillBoothe3  Why would anyone believe someone who doesn't know the actual story?
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  321.  @charlieb308  The RN rescued 110 Bismarck survivors in hostile waters... a stone's throw away from the Atlantic u-boat bases on the French coast, it was known by the RN that Bismarck had been transmitting beacon signals on known u-boat frequencies for the previous 24 hours. The fact that 110 Germans were rescued in such conditions is more of a surprise than the abandonment of the rest of the German sailors due to the sighting of a u-boat periscope is a disgrace. Before you say "there was no u-boat" then read the war diary of U-74 (Kpt Lt Eitel-Friedrich Kentrat) which shows that he was in the area of the sinking, and indeed picked up 3 Bismarck survivors. Before you say "a u-boat capt would not sink a ship carrying out rescues of drowning seamen" Read about the actions of WW1 German U-boat capt Otto Weddigen in U-9 when confronted with the WW1 British cruisers HMS Aboukir, Cressy & Hogue. If you're so disgusted by the abandonment of drowning sailors to cold lonely, lingering deaths, then I'll warn you not to read about the actions of Kriegsmarine admiral Wilhelm Marschall, who after the two German battleships he was commanding on 8th June 1940 sank the British aircraft carrier HMS Glorious and its two gallant escorting destroyers HMS Acasta & Ardent, and then sailed away without making even the most rudimentary effort to render humanitarian assistance to the +1500 RN sailors left in the emptiness of the Norwegian sea. Not a SINGLE RN sailor was rescued by the 2 German ships even though no other enemy ships were any where near. Or it is only German sailors left to drown that you get all "teared up" about?
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  322. And also has some "preferred editors" with their own agendas who exert full editorial control over some pages.
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  323. Bismarck was "better than everyone else's stuff"? Well it's an opinion.... an uninformed one but an opinion nonetheless.
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  324. Only Germans and deluded children see sinking your own ships as a "victory".
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  325. No it didn't NEED to be "scuttled"... it was already sinking... just not fast enough for the liking of Bismarck's crew, who wanted the RN "big boys" to leave her alone.
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  326. Hahahaha, Keep watching the MSM narrative whilst mouth breathing, Do you think its not happening to all other countries at the same time? How dim you are.
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  327. Thats one hot crock of BS. Luckily for the US the UK SAVED your self serving asses from being isolated and sandwiched between a nazi dominated Europe and a Japanese dominated Asia. As for Bismarck she was spit roasted and tag teamed by two superior British battleships. IF any scuttling actually took place then all that was scuttled was a 51000 ton mountain of sinking, flaming scrap metal. All guns silenced, her superstructure devastated, her main armour belt broken and penetrated in several places, her command staff physically obliterated, internally aflame from end to end, her stern and port gunwales already underwater, a thousand of her crew dead, and further hundreds of her crew already in the water behind her.... All that any scuttling did was to sink her a few minutes earlier than was already happening. In the world of boxing the crew's scuttling efforts are what is known as "throwing in the towel", submission of a boxer AFTER he has been punched senseless by a more skillful & powerful opponent, and only a deluded child would say, "the victor didn't win because his opponent killed himself before he lost.", when the truth is the loser had his arse ripped off by the victor and handed back to him on a plate. Imagine the ignominy of being forced to commit suicide by your opponent? P.S Have they stopped teaching punctuation to the rednecks nowadays?
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  328.  @martinschnelle3077  YT never informed me of your reply. Please detail the passage where Baron Burkhard says the ship was scuttled? I won't hold my breath waiting because having bought the book at its first publication I KNOW that he says NO such thing. Bismarck was outmatched by a LARGE number of ships, The KGV's for example, which equalled her in speed, had a larger weight of broadside, and were more heavily and better armed and all the while being of a smaller displacement, not to mention the US fast battleships of WW2 which also completely leave her in the shade. Bismarck was basically a WHOLE generation BEHIND the most modern allied battleships, why even the Nelsons which predated her by 13 years had superior firepower and armour but were slower due to keeping within agreed international naval limits, something that the nazis never bothered with. You've already be proved in your other posts to be a low fact count, nazi fanboi BS poster. Stop embarrasing yourself.
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  329. Lets look at some survivor testimonies (people who actually witnessed the events of Bismarck's sinking first hand), and not some unresearched, modern day nonsense written by the "hard of thinking" shall we? From "Battleship Bismarck: A survivor's story" Written by Baron Burkhard von Mullenheim-Rechberg, Bismarck's senior ranking survivor. Page 211 "Our list to port had increased a bit while firing was going on" followed by "Around 9:30am gas and smoke began to drift through our station" This means that prior to 9:30am Bismarck was already flooding, not something that happens to a healthy seaworthy ship, in other words she was already starting to sink. Then from an interview conducted for the highly regarded weekly history journal "Purnell's history of the second world war" in the late 1960's with Gerhard Junack (who was Bismarck's only surviving engineering officer and the survivor who supposedly enacted the "scuttle order"). He stated that... "Somewhere about 1015 hours, I received an order over the telephone from the Chief Engineer (Korvettenkapitän (Ing.) Walter Lehmann) to 'Prepare the ship for sinking.' That was the last order I received on the Bismarck. Soon after that, all transmission of orders collapsed." Heading back to the account of Mullenheim-Rechberg, on Page 212 he states that (before 10:00am) "I was using all the telephone circuits and calling all over the place in an effort to find out as much as possible about the condition of the ship. I got only one answer. I reached the messenger in the damage control centre and asked "who has and where is the command of the ship? Are there new orders in effect?".... The man said he was in a great hurry. He told me that everyone had abandoned the damage control centre, adding that he was the last one in the room and had to get out... then he hung up". This vain search for contact & information over the Bismarck's internal comms happened BEFORE 10:00am which throws some mild doubt on Junack's testimony where he says he was contacted by the chief engineer who supposedly gave him the "scuttle order" over the phone at 10:15am... Hmmmmm. If taken at face value these survivor testimonies show that there was at least a 45 minute gap between Bismarck starting to sink and the first mention of a "scuttle order" being given. Even if Bismarck's crew had done nothing, Bismarck was going to sink, and if the beaten crew want to help the RN, then all the better... But face it, Bismarck's crew weren't going to scuttle a perfectly seaworthy ship in the middle of the storm tossed North Atlantic of their own free will, it was only for the fact that the RN had already dismantled Bismarck and initiated the sinking process. In other words in every sense the sinking of Bismarck was the result of actions dictated by the Royal Navy. Anything else is just hurt German pride, bolstered by modern day delusional wehraboos. Germany was well known for trying to hide its national humiliations, such as when they scuttled their "grand fleet" at the end of WW1, like illogically saying "We lost.. but you didn't win", or a pathetic "You didn't beat us because we killed ourselves first" sort of idiocy. P.S "unmatched and unparalleled" Hahahah, comedy gold.
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  330.  @ricoh.3162  Capt Lindemann had jurisdiction over Bismarck's crew... NOT the whole of the English & German speaking world.
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  331. "Die Bismarck" in almost ALL German manuscripts, not "Der Bismarck".
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  332. A single straddle on HMS Rodney followed by her own oblivion.
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  333.  @wesleyjarboe9571  Likening HMS Hood to the "Invincible" and "indefatigable" class battlecruisers that took part in Jutland is akin to suggesting a Keonigsegg Gemera is the same as a Honda S2000. Yes, both are considered "super cars" but their handling & performance and specifications are leagues apart. I realise Arizona was hit by more than 1 bomb, but it had shrugged off the others, just as Hood had shrugged of a number of previous hits in Denmark Strait, but like Hood its sinking was not attributable to progressive damage from multiple hits, but directly as the result of catastrophic damage from one single hit on Arizona's forward magazine. I illustrate the "million to one" shot with the following explanation & analogy of long range naval gunnery. A full salvo of main gun fire from a battleship is analogous to a scatter of lead shot from a shotgun. During the battle of Denmark Strait, the Bismarck aimed at Hood from 8-9 nautical miles (Approx 17-18,000 yards) away. The German's own naval gunnery data tables provided by their AVKS ("Artillerie Versuchs Kommando für Schiff" or naval artillery evaluation command) show that at that range of 18000 yards the 38 cm SK C/34 (Bismarck's main armament) had a CEP (circular error probability - effectively the RADIUS of a circle within which 50% of its shots would be expected to fall) of 100m. That means that if 8 of Bismarck's 15in guns fired at a single point 8-9 nm away, 4 of her shells would be expected to land (with completely random distribution) within an ellipse (think of it as a stretched circle, due to the angle of fall of the shells) measuring approximately 200m (660ft) wide, (or to put it another way 76% of HMS Hood's 860ft length), by more than two thousand feet long. The other 4 shots would probably land even FURTHER away from the aiming point. That being the case, how can an individual shell be aimed specifically at a tiny part of HMS Hood's structure, namely the 4in HA magazine, that its believed triggered off the "domino effect" of Hood's detonation? I'll give you a hint, there's a little clue in my paragraph above....where it says "completely random distribution". A simplified analogy is that if you prop a dartboard up 50 yards away and can consistently knock it over with a shotgun at that range then that is pretty good shooting, just as Bismarck / PE achieved during the Denmark Strait encounter. Now you can "knock the dartboard over" with the shotgun all day long and STILL NOT hit the bullseye (magazine) with an individual pellet. As opposed to being a skillful shot by knocking over the dartboard, whether you hit the bullseye with an individual pellet is complete "million to one" luck.
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  334.  @arunta5  Are you aware that Hood as originally conceived was an improvement on the earlier Lion, Indefatigable & Tiger class battlecruisers that you allude to in your OP, but as a result of the events at Jutland in 1916 she was FURTHER redesigned while still being constructed to include an extra 5000 tons of armour, which resulted in her armour levels being on a par with contemporary WW1 battleships, while STILL being 7-8 knots faster? The earlier battlecruisers had belt thicknesses of 4 - 6in and decks in the region of 1 - 2 in. Hood sported an angled belt of 12in (effectively 13 inches due to the angling) and a main 3 inch armoured deck which was sufficiently thick to protect her from gunnery of the WW1 period, but due to improvements in range finding and gun technology throughout the 1920s and 30s, longer range gunnery with steeper plunging fire angles at those longer ranges meant that Hood's deck armour was rendered less and less effective. She did receive a number of refits during her 20 year career, but due to the demans placed on her during the interwar years, she was the last of the battlecruisers to receive a major redesign of her armour, which had been scheduled to tke place in 1942, had not WW2 & Bismarck intervened.
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  335.  @arunta5  I agree with most of your second post, I just don't agree with your non sequitur "The Hood was a Battlecruiser built at the end of WW1. Three battlecruisers were lost at Jutland." That implies an incorrect assuption as to the specifications of HMS Hood.
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  336. HMS Warspite 8x15in guns 12 inch belt armour 3 in deck armour speed 24 knots ........... battleship HMS Hood 8x15in guns 12 inch belt armour 3 in deck armour speed 32 knots .......... FAST battleship.
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  337. Meanwhile forgetting to mention that Hood's original design as a lightly armoured battlecruiser was changed mid-build to incorporate thousands of tons more armour with the result that she became what was in effect a variant of the Queen Elizabeth battleships.... equal in armour and firepower but 6-7 knots faster.
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  338. Apart from the battlecruisers that didn't.
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  339. By your definition HMS Hood was a battleship.
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  340. Get real. At 21 knots? Bismarck would have pissed itself laughing at the US tub as it disappeared to aft.
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  341.  @hujjesb  Great stuff. keep that family history safe mate, I've got a small "Introduction to service in the Royal Navy" handbook that was issued to my dad when he was sent there back in 1940. He said that winter was a hard one, and the east coast gets it worse from the east. He told me that two poor fellers from his intake died after they sneaked off to sleep in the boiler room to keep warm and were killed by carbon monoxide poisoning. Them old fellers had it hard, thank god it was them and not us. Bless em all.
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  342. That "Holiday training camp" was probably "HMS Royal Arthur" which was a shore training establishment that was actually Billy Butlins pre-war Skegness holiday camp. My own father did his basic training there in 1940 before being posted to HMS Dorsetshire and witnessing the sinking of the Bismarck.
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  343.  @richhughes7450  The Japanese did sign up to various naval treaties during the 1920s/30s but by 1934 along with their withdrawal from the league of nations, they also renounced the naval treaties they had signed up for as the militarist factions within their government were angry with the displacement limitations as well as the ratios of capital ships permitted to the various signatories, as well as the increasing number of ships that were being built in excess of the treaty limitations by various nations. But inspite of walking away from naval arms control the Japanese still carefully hid the displacement and design of their new super battleships so as not to pour further petrol on the flames of the burgeoning international naval arms race. So yes, Yamato was not subject to any naval arms limitations.
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  344. That is the very first time EVER on the internet that a sentence beginning "stunning photo of Brest" has ever ended with "with the two Scharnhorsts, Eugen; and a couple Halifaxes overhead".
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  345.  @simongeard4824  Thats why long range aircraft have two or more pilots commonly each flying 4 hour shifts on off, and bunks/mess facilties and toilets fitted in them.
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  346. Maybe f*ck off and do something more exciting? Then we're all happy !!!
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  347. Great post, and thank you for your own service.
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  348. 4 possibilities spring to mind. 1. Towing a paravane for the purposes of mine clearance..... but seeing as they appear to be escorting a convoy, that would not be necessary. 2. Towing a "foxer" which was a device used to decoy German acoustic torpedoes. 3. Towing a "towed array" (a towed hydrophone) which was a very new technology, effectively removing the "blind spot" that ship mounted hydrophones have to the rear of the ship. 4. The Ship's purser had been found with his "hand in the till" again and was being taught a lesson. My guess is its likely to be 2... but possibly 3.
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  349. Please concisely explain why she was NOT a fast battleship. She was a without doubt a pioneering fast battleship. At completion her armour and firepower was equal to contemporary battleship design, as well as being 8-9 knots faster. the very definition of a "fast battleship". Granted she was in need of modernisation before 1941, but it doesn't negate the fact that she was still a fast battleship though a dated one. Is a sports car designed in the 2000s NOT a sports car in the 2020s?
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  350. None of that shit here.
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  351. Nice idea, but we Brits would prefer it if it was a depiction of the true story about a British hero with "salt of the earth" British crews fighting alone against a deadly foe, as opposed to 5 star Admiral James "Hotshot" Walker USN winning the war single handed for the US.
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  352. Don't forget, it was responsible for the JFK assasination as well !!!
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  353. "wooden decks" FFS!!!
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  354.  @stephenjones6500  Sorry Stephen, but its utter nonsense. NO naval gun has a "fall of shot" of anywhere near 90°. At maximum elevation shells from the 20.3 cm/60 SK C/34 had an angle of fall of just under 49°, besides there being utterly NO evidence of such a ludicrous event happening. Naval guns are NOT mortars.
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  355. It wasn't the "Beano" was it?
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  356.  @steriskyline4470  No proof required, Martijn is obviously a fully certified youtube comment section naval warfare expert. His word is law. (but also bullshit).
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  357. Good to hear another convert to this rationale. The "plunging shot through the deck armour" theory has been queried for a number of years. At the range of the fatal hit, that is approx 8-9 miles, and using historic gunnery data for the 38 cm SK C/34 at that range gives an angle of fall somewhere in the region of 10-14 degrees from the horizontal (the 4 degree spread of angle being caused by uncertainty regarding Hood's turn that she had just initiated), which was wholly incapable of penetrating even Hood's 3 inch deck armour at the given range. She had the same armour scheme as a "Queen Elizabeth" battleship such as HMS Warspite, a ship that as well and taking everything that the German High Seas Fleet could throw at her during the battle Jutland in WW1, also happily exchanged blows with Italian battleships and nazi glider bombs in the Med in WW2 and sailed through it all. The fact is that a million to one shot from Bismarck was landed on an obscure "Achilles heel" in Hood's vertical armour which almost certainly triggered off a domino effect magazine explosion.
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  358. By using your rationale, I will now recount the life of Socrates. "He was born, then lived for a while, and then died"...... Who needs to know anything more?
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  359. How do you send in torpedo aircraft when there are no aircraft carriers within range?
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  360. It would be fair to say that a main magazine detonation in ANY warship is going to be a bad day.
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  361.  @jamesfahy-pl2cv  Well the producers of those documentaries must not have researched the subject thoroughly enough. You've now been provided with the correct figures from the Germans own A.V.K. d. KM (Artillerie Versuchs Kommando der Kriegsmarine) that show V/Adm Holland HAD cleared the "danger zone" of plunging fire.
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  362. The "plunging shot through the deck armour" theory has been discounted for many years. At the range of the fatal hit, that is approx 8-9 miles, and using the German's own gunnery data for the 38 cm SK C/34 at that range gives an angle of fall somewhere in the region of 10-13 dgrees from the horizontal, which was wholly incapable of penetrating even Hood's 3 inch deck armour at the given range.
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  363. More nonsense.
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  364. You're comparing apples with oranges. Read a bit more about the subject and you wil discover the glaring differences between Hood and the Invincibles/Indefatigables.
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  365. That's fine for the people with goldfish attention spans. More intelligent people like to discuss things in more depth. Does your "account of WW2" go something like "Nazi Germany fucked about and found out..... the end"?
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  366. That was never in dispute.
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  367.  @akaj188  Strange how the "super German gunnery" failed to land a single shot on any of the 4 RN ships that ripped her to pieces on the 27th May. But to make up for the nazis poor showing the RN pumped over 400 shells into the mediocre nazi tub.
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  368.  @tonyduncan3243  If you have his name you may still find him on the association website. All the best.
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  369. If you're not already aware Tony, the HMS Hood association website hosts individual memorial pages for each recorded member of Hood's crew, including both those onboard at the time of her sinking, and any who had served previously onboard her. The association is ALWAYS looking for confirmed pictures of the individual sailors to place on their memorial pages.
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  370.  @lumberlikwidator8863  Hood WAS a surprisingly well defended warship when you take into consideration the continual uninformed BS spoken by commenters over many years and now in these threads. "she was a battlecruiser the same as those lost at Jutland"..... "she had no armour" .... even some idiots who opine that "she had wooden decks" and others that seem to consider her equal to Renown and Repulse!!! Hood was an evolution of battlecruiser theory. Post Jutland her uparmoured redesign took her into the new realm of the fast battleship. a THIRD of her 46000 displacement was armour, when launched she was as well armoured as the Queen Elizabeth class battleships, such as HMS Warspite that had survived everything the Kaiser's navy could throw at her when at Jutland her steering motors overheated and she circled alone twice in front of the entire WW1 German battle fleet, and then went on into WW2 surviving encounters with Italian battleships and nazi glider bombs. Hood was as far removed from the likes of the WW1 Tiger and Indefatigable class battlecruisers as I am from a ballet dancer (and thats a VERY long way). The RN's nomenclature for Hood as a "battlecruiser" was entirely down to her speed, which outstripped all her WW1 battleship cohort by a factor of 7-8 knots, and not based on her being "lightly armoured". Bismarck belt armour = 12.6 inches Hood belt armour = 12 inches (Though angled so as to give 13 inches of protection). Bismarck armoured deck = 4 inches Hood armoured deck = 3 inches Hood's vertical armour was well upto the average standard of contemporary battleships fielded in WW2 equalling the North Carolinas and South Dakotas of the Late 30s early 40s, her weakest aspect was her horizontal deck armour, but Holland knowing this had raced to close on Bismarck and had escaped the "danger zone" of plunging fire, only to be then hit by a million to one shot that likely found an obscure "achilles heel" in her vertical armour. So what that Hood couldn't catch German WW2 heavy cruisers? She had been designed to catch WW1 German cruisers which she could? Guess what NO German capital ship could catch RN heavy cruisers, so what's your point?
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  371. What you're describing is a distributed armour scheme, the very same layout of armour that was used on Bismarck herself.
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  372. Declan's history of WW2..... The Allies won.
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  373. More turrets, mean more magazines spread out along the length of the ship, which means thousands more tons of armour to protect it all. If you concentrate your guns into fewer turrets holding more guns, then the magazines are less spaced out along the ship's length which hugely reduces the amount of armour required to protect it all. Weight saved that can be used elsewhere such as more armour / guns / propulsion systems. Perhaps the most novel design was the layout of the RN "Nelson" class battleships and the "Dunkerque" class French battlecruisers who had all their main armaments situated close together thereby requiring thousands of tons less armour to protect their magazines / gunnery feed systems.
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  374.  @mcduck5  While PoW's armour did function well during the gun duel, with the condition of her malfunctioning main weapons, any continued engagement of the Germans at Denmark Strait would likely have not ended well for her. PoW only managed to fire ~65% of the main calibre rounds she could have fired if her main guns had been functioning correctly, also during the engagement, BOTH of her 4 gun turrets jammed in their respective barbettes for a period of time.
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  375. "No French official was privy to the British plans" Below is the vebatim British ultimatum delivered to Adm Bruno-Marcel Gentoul at Mers-El-Kebir on the 3rd July 1940 "It is impossible for us, your comrades up to now, to allow your fine ships to fall into the power of the German or Italian enemy. We are determined to fight on until the end, and if we win, as we think we shall, we shall never forget that France was our Ally, that our interests are the same as hers, and that our common enemy is Germany. Should we conquer, we solemnly declare that we shall restore the greatness and territory of France. For this purpose, we must make sure that the best ships of the French Navy are not used against us by the common foe. In these circumstances, His Majesty’s Government have instructed me to demand that the French Fleet now at Mers-el-Kébir and Oran shall act in accordance with one of the following alternatives: (a) Sail with us and continue the fight until victory against the Germans and Italians. (b) Sail with reduced crews under our control to a British port. The reduced crews would be repatriated at the earliest moment. If either of these courses is adopted by you, we will restore your ships to France at the conclusion of the war or pay full compensation, if they are damaged meanwhile. (c) Alternatively, if you feel bound to stipulate that your ships should not be used against the Germans or Italians unless these break the Armistice, then sail them with us with reduced crews, to some French port in the West Indies—Martinique for instance—where they can be demilitarised to our satisfaction, or perhaps be entrusted to the United States and remain safe until the end of the war, the crews being repatriated. If you refuse these fair offers, I must, with profound regret, require you to sink your ships within 6 hours. Finally, failing the above I have orders of His Majesty's Government to use whatever force may be necessary to prevent your ships us from falling into German or Italian hands." Even I can follow the clearly laid out options available in the ultimatum.... surely a French Admiral (Even a pompous, inadequate one such as Gensoul) would if in any doubt immediately consult his superior (Darlan) with the FULL text of the ultimatum he's been handed. Instead the idiot Gensoul, promoted above his ability, pissed about at a CRUCIAL point in European history and caused the death of 1300 French sailors. He was SO ashamed and embarrased about his handling of the whole episode that he never wrote a postwar account of it, OR took part in any interviews regarding the tragedy, right up to his death in 1970.
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  376. Yeah a man who personally profits from the government decisions he directs, married to a woman who pays NO Uk tax. String him from the nearest lampost !!!
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  377. So what? NO particular squadron was highlighted at ALL !!!Why does 303 need mentioning in particular, it was just one of SIXTY-FOUR squadrons of RAF Fighter Command at the time.
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  378. Don't EVER be fooled that "diveristy" is the goal the globalists want. The truth is they want the exact OPPOSITE. "Homogenization" is their aim.... mix the races, and over time let the unaware masses create a mocca coloured one world population.... no national identities... all the same. ANTI diversity.
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  379. Complete BS.
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  380. "We" don't let them in.... The globalist financed puppets who've fully infected Westminster do as their corporate financiers tell them to do and THEY let them in.
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  381. MORE complete BS..... Nine.... just NINE US citizens amongst the 2945 fighter pilots who served in Fighter Command during the battle od Britain. That comprises just 0.305603% of Fighter Command's pilot establishment. Does 0.305603% count as a "good percentage". Face it yank boy, the US were happy profiteering isolationists while the UK was fighting for its life.... Don't try to excuse your cowardice now.
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  382. The battle of Britain was a mostly British glory? Whats the problem with that?
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  383. Bit like Germany then... of course they took on the world alone.. (We'll forget about the Italians, Japanese, Hungarians, Bulgarians, Dutch, Danes, Belgians, Vichy French, Spanish, Yugoslavs, Ukrainians, Belorussians, Latvians, Lithuanians, Estonians, and even Russians who took part as their "supporting cast").
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  384. He'd been an imperial German air ace in the first world war, which judging by the life expectancy of WW1 fighter pilots, conclusively discounts him from cowardice. Militarily and managerially inept maybe, but a coward? NO.
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  385. The German fighters shown in the video are not original German produced Me109 fighters, but Spanish post war licence built copies, Ironically powered by Rolls Royce Merlins.
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  386.  @nickdanger3802  Where did the Luftwaffe's fuel come from? How bout the Aluminium for its airframes, and the steel in its weapons?
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  387. I've had the opposite problem in the past. Driving in my car (at the speed limit) I turned into a road and was confronted with another unmarked car travelling in the same direction but crawling along at walking speed and veering into the kerbside and then out into the middle of the lane several times, when it was safe to do so I overtook the vehicle only to immediately be pursued (at the speed limit) by the vehicle flashing its main beams repeatedly at me and twice beeping its horn. I carried on to my house which was a few hundred yards away and as I pulled up to reverse into my drive was stopped from doing so by this idiot in the other car pulling up right behind me. I got out to ask him to move from my driveway and was confronted by what I can only describe as a power crazed inadequate in an ill-fitting PCSO outfit complete with paramilitary stab jacket that looked as if he'd borrowed it off his dad. He and his disinterested "oppo" who spent the next 10 minutes messing with his mobile phone (probably playing "Crossy road") attempted to intimidate me for having safely overtaken him. Needless to say 10 minutes later he drove off sheepishly after not having received the trembling submission he'd expected, instead having been given the "Hairdrier treatment". Where do they get these inadequates from?
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  388. TIK's work is like many classic movies & books. Not an initial overwhelming success, but instead gaining wider acclaim over time to stand head and shoulders above other more attention grabbing content. Thank you and your team for the serious amount of research and correlation that goes into these videos.
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  389. Cuckoo !!! Cuckoo !!! Cuckoo !!!
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  390. France & the UK did make the initial declaration of war on nazi Germany, and in that sense it can be snidily portrayed that "Britain (and France) started the war"... but that is taken out of the context of Britain and France challenging the ongoing German expansionism within Europe at that time...(Austria, Sudetenland, Czechoslovakia, Poland). Its the same as a serial rapist being confronted by a "good Samaritan" and idiots then labelling the "Good Samaritan" as "the aggressor". But there are plenty of commenters here who are ready to challenge that BS and the misconceptions of those who are learning about history on YT because its no longer properly taught in schools.
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  391.  @firemangan  And we've not even come to the point yet where I remind him that Winston Churchill held NO political office within the British empire from 1929 to 1939 (the period that's commonly known as Churchill's "Wilderness years"), and had almost ZERO influence on British foreign & domestic policy during that period !!!! Seems I didn't even need that knockout blow !!!
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  392. Not ANOTHER insidious neo nazi. How come when you dupes say "Hitler never wanted war with Britain and France" you ALWAYS miss off the part that says "until he was ready for it on his OWN terms". Because of course Hitler laid all his hopes on being left to expand the nazi empire EASTWARDS in peace, assimilate his new found conquests with their collective economies and resources, further build up his military power and only THEN conquer Britain & France, as they had already attempted TWICE BEFORE in the previous 70 years, once in 1870 and again in 1914, the THIRD attempt in 1940 was precipitated by the British and French not sitting and waiting for it to happen on Hitler's terms. If we had've waited the outcome would have been much MUCH different from the destruction of nazism in 1945. Not confronting Hitler in 1939 would have resulted with Britain by the late 1940s onwards having: A puppet nazi government, a nazi supporting King Edward VIII restored to the throne, and the UK as a nazi satellite state. Extermination camps in the Cotswolds, Pennines & Scottish Highlands. SS Einsatzgruppen stalking the shires looking to find "undesirables" to summarily execute. All UK males of working age being deported to the reich to be slaved to death in nazi armaments factories or infrastructure projects. And now, slimy nazi fanbois and other devious loons want the uninformed to think that letting Hitler conduct his plans undisturbed would mean that we would have a Britain today filled with rose cottages, warm beer, bar skittles, morris dancers & village cricket. How utterly devious those people are, people with greater awareness of the situation don't fall for their nazi apologist nonsense.
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  393.  @johnblackman6523  OH don't talk such utter shite John. Hitler wanted nothing more than to be left in peace by the British empire while he raped the rest of Europe and western USSR, consolidated his conquests and then turned his attention on us. And then coming out with nonsense BS like "even if they invaded England and forced everyone to speak German, it wouldn't be one tenth as damaging to English culture as mass migration and liberalism has been" The truth is that if we'd sided with the nazi filth, we'd have had the last 80 years living under a murderous totalitarian regime with death camps in the Cotswolds, Pennines and Scottish Highlands, SS Einsatzgruppen "death squads" roaming the English shires, and all UK males of working age deported to the reich to be slaved to death for the German economy. And unthunkers like yourself thunked it would have been all warm beer and skittles and village cricket on the green? You sound like REAL thickheaded nazi dupe material.
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  394. It was because of him that nazism was destroyed in 1945 and also that there are no nazi death camps in the Cotswolds, Pennines & Scottish Highlands.
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  395.  @PerPress  "Austria is another German state"? What because YOU say it was? Don't be silly. The nazis had to destablise its government and assasinate its head of state before they ANNEXED it. "Hungary and Poland annexed Czechoslovakia too" True... in the proportion Hungary (Ruthenia) 5% Poland (Zaolze) 1% nazi Germany (Everything else) 94% Communism while reviled was not the "clear and present danger" to western Europe at that time.
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  396.  @PerPress  The Germans annexed Austria in March 1938. They then DEMANDED that the Czech Sudeten borderlands become part of the Greater German Reich. To postpone war and to allow the British & French to hurriedly begin rearmament the British and French signed the Czech Sudetenlands ALONE over to Germany that was in Oct 1939 (during these negotiations Hitler declared that he "had no further territorial demands in Europe". Inspite of this declaration the Germans then simply invaded the rest of Bohemia, Moravia and turned the rest of Czechoslovakia into the "Slovak state" in March 1939 before then sending the wehrmacht across the Polish border in Sept 1939. Danzig did NOT belong to Germany but was a "league of nations free city".
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  397.  @PerPress  Your preference for a nazi German dominated Europe says more about your lack of understanding that anything else. Do you innocently believe that ANYTHING Hitler said was valid? He said whatever he needed to achieve a desired result, and nothing was to be trusted. Phrases such as "I have no more territorial demands in Europe" shortly before devouring Czechoslovakia and attacking Poland, illustrate that all too well.
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  398.  @PerPress  The nazis were not opposed to the UK.... UNTIL it had "dealt with business in the east".
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  399.  @cardboardcapeii4286  The Sudetenland did indeed legally secceeded to the Reich... the rest of Bohemia Moravia & the Slovak republic did NOT... but the Germans unilaterally absorbed them all into the "Greater German Reich" anyway. Also drop your ridiculous nazi fanboi "Poles were massacring Germans" nonsense. The German empire had since the mid 19th century had a CENTRAL foreign policy of "Drang Nach Osten" or "drive to the east", that is the German belief that it was their destiny to expand across eastern Europe and into Russia.... they found out soon enough that no-one else in Europe shared that belief. P.S Why would the British be dorks and declare war on the USSR? A country that they have NO practical way of attacking? A country that they knew was in a temporary "alliance of convenience" with its AVOWED worst enemy? Why declare war on the USSR and drive it into a potentially unbeatable alliance with the nazis? The world's biggest resource pool with the world's most capable army? No luckily more intelligent people than yourself were in charge of the British response. Declare war on one of the two alliance partners (the one who was the more pressing danger to he UK), drive a wedge between them and allow to simmer until 22nd June 1941.
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  400.  @cardboardcapeii4286  Yes Germany was under a new government, one that had against all international law, assasinated the Austrian president and marched into Austria, followed by subsuming the WHOLE of Czechoslovakia in early 1939 then launched an unprovoked and unannounced attack against Poland. Being just across the North sea and with Europe's largest bomber fleet in 1939 made her a clear and present danger. She had shown herself to have COMPLETE disregard for international law, and was a national cancer at the very heart of Europe.
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  401.  @cardboardcapeii4286  Who says Germany wasn't a danger? 26 years Earlier they had already launched an unprovoked attack into the low countries and initiated the carnage of WW1.
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  402. What even the 6 million murdered during the "holocaust"?
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  403. I can only imagine the emotional torment that must have tore at Josef Goebbels' soul after he realised that the luftwaffe had burned and destroyed the "cultural historic centre" of Coventry on the night of 14th Nov 1940 in Operation Moonlight Sonata, where the German's premier "pathfinding" bomber unit KGr 100 used its "X-gerat" precision bombing sytem, which the German's themselves stated could place "target indicators" with a precision of 50 meters at a range of 200 miles, to spread 30,000 incendiaries and 500 tons of bombs on sleeping British civilians, killing hundreds, destroying schools, hospitals and the vital military target of the city's 700 year old cathedral. Oh wait a minute, no!!! He wasn't tormented at all, instead he light heartedly joked that a new word had entered the dictionary... To "Coventrate", used as the verb to indicate the complete destruction of a town by heavy bombing. Seems that Goebbels forgot the word he'd invented 5 years earlier as in Feb 1945 he failed to announce on German radio that "Dresden has been coventrated". Did the good burghers of Dresden rise up as one in 1940 to protest at the heinous regime they'd helped to vote into power in 1933 and which had inflicted such unprovoked evil on innocent civilians in that far away English city (and 50 others) in 1940 - 41? No, back then it was all part of the fun game of "total European domination" that the vast majority of the Germany public thought would make them the "master race", but it didn't quite work out did it, no instead it came back to bite them all right on the arse? "What goes round, comes round", "wind and whirlwind" and all that.
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  404.  @klubberzvonhatzenbuhl563  Just the same as the nazis first attempted, but failed to do to over 50 European (mostly British) cities in 1940 / 41. By 1945 they fully understood the horror that THEY had first tried to inflict on OTHERS.
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  405. 5 years previous to the Dresden raid, the luftwaffe, using their much vaunted "X-gerat" bomb targetting system which they themselves stated could place "target indicators" with an accuracy of 100 meters at a range of 600 miles first attempted to create a "firestorm" over the British city of Coventry on 14th Nov 1940 in "Operation Moonlight Sonata". Instead of targetting the industrial areas on the outskirts of the city, the luftwaffe instead dropped their highly accurate target indicators over the densely populated city centre, they then proceeded to first dropped oil bombs, followed by 1000s of incendiary bombs finally finishing off with 750 tons of high explosive..... with the result that they burned the heart out of the city, and that was before a single British bomb had been intentionally dropped on a German civilian target. What would make someone decide to initiate an attempt to incinerate a city full of innocent civilians, at a time when not one British bomb had intentionally been dropped on German civilians? And you wonder why we bombed the living daylights out of German cities? https://youtu.be/5ujzVqwJnB0?t=31 "wind and whirlwind" indeed.
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  406. Having not watched the video at all by the sounds of it. Just remember Dresden was "coventrated".
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  407.  @andrewavila8682  "attempted to have peace talks", do you mean after invading and enslaving most of continental Europe? Yes "unprovoked attacks" like the unprovoked toppling of the Austrian government complete with the assasination of its president. The unprovoked subjugation of the entirety of Czechoslovakia, followed by the unprovoked assault on Poland. So when a serial rapist grabs its third victim do you accuse the person who attempts to stop them of being "the aggressor"? As for the first bombs dropped, not a single RAF bomb landed on the German mainland until 11th May 1940, as the RAF was forbidden to bomb Germany up until that date (instead preferring to supply Germany's demand for toilet paper by dropping only propaganda leaflets). The guff about a "bombing attack on Wilhelmshaven" on the night of 3/4th september 1939 sometimes offered up as "the first civilian bombing of Germany during WW2" is complete BS. There were NO bombs dropped at all on the city, the attack that uninformed nazi apologists attempt to pass of as "civilian bombing" was actually an attack by 10 Blenheim bombers directed at Kreigsmarine naval vessels in the Jade estuary off the coast of Wilhelmshaven (I.E a legitimate military target far away from the nearest civilians). The RAF was even forbidden from attacking the German warships in port for fear of hitting civilians, and the RAF bombing attack even took place in broad daylight so as to avoid the possiblity of bombing neutral merchant shipping in the area. Unsurprisingly the unescorted RAF light bombers were savaged by defending fighters. The first bombs dropped by either side onto the actual land of the other was on 13th November 1939 when the luftwaffe bombed RAF Sullom Voe a seaplane base with port facilities in the Shetland Isles (with the resultant death of a rabbit, and no hits on the 9 seaplanes or 2 RN vessels stationed there). The RAF retaliated by hitting the nazi seaplane base at Hörnum on the island of Sylt on 19th March 1940... the very first RAF bombs to land on German soil....4 months AFTER the first German bombs had landed on British soil. The first civilian fatalities of either side from bombing during WW2 were inflicted by the luftwaffe during an attack on Scapa Flow in the Orkney Islands on 16th March 1940 when German bombs hit the village of Waithe on Orkney killing a 27 year-old County Council employee, James Isbister (luckily, his wife, baby son, and the neighbour James was endeavouring to rescue from her bombed cottage all survived).
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  408. What was the excuse for the nazis unprovoked murdering of tens of thousands of innocent British civilians during the "blitz"? Or have I "imagined" losing members of my own family during the may 1941 luftwaffe bombing of Liverpool?
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  409. If anything you've type is even true, so what? The Germans had been destroying civilian targets around the European continent for 5 years, as well as carrying out pan european industrial scale genocide.
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  410. A dog born in a stable is not a horse - Bernard Manning.
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  411.  @Dionysus784  None of which negates the points I made above. All those points I made above bolstered the USSR and hampered nazi Germany, and had they not done so Germany would have crushed the USSR by 1943.
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  412. "With a little help of western allies"? Without the continued opposition of the British empire to nazism from June 1940 onwards (when the USSR was still a willing ally of nazi Germany), opposition which bankrupted the UK and cost her 460,000 of her citizen's lives, there would have been: NO D-Day and war in the Meditteranean to draw sizeable wehrmacht resources from the war on the Eastern Front. NO strategic bombing of German cities and war industries, which even Albert Speer stated constituted a complete "second front" for Germany from 1942 onwards with regards to the demands for materiel and manpower with which to defend the reich. NO interdiction of German global sea trade by the Royal Navy. NO massive supply of weapons and war materiel from the west to the USSR, once their former allies nazi Germany had turned on them. NO utterly crucial strategic intelligence courtesy of Britain's (not Poland's before you say it) "ULTRA" program. With the result that the USSR would have collapsed somewhere in 1942/43, leaving the nazis in control of the whole of Europe. Without the western Allies the USSR would have only existed to the east of the Ural mountains and their society would have been sent back to the stone age by 1943.
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  413. I remember as a young lad in the late 1960s being blown away by receiving a "ten bob note" a "bob" being UK slang for a shilling. ( for younger viewers 10 shillings was 120 "old" pence or 50 "new" pence, in other words a "fifty pence note") from an old aunt for my birthday. (So blown away that incredibly I never spent it on sweets, crisps and toys), and indeed still have it to this day. Also gold sovereigns and half sovereigns are also still legal tender in the UK, but I'm not sure I'd like to hand over a gold sovereign in place of a modern day cheapo £1 coin, with the gold in the sovereign now being worth several hundreds of pounds. P.S Well done for sticking to using REAL coinage & notes instead of cards.... unfortunately most people are oblivious to the ongoing drive to introduce CBDCs (central bank digital currencies) Only when it happens will all the "unthinkers" realise what they've sadly led us ALL into.
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  414. Don;t let your ignorance get in the way of facts... Oh I see you haven't !!!
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  415.  @nickdanger3802  Nick... is that REALLY you? Where's your normal copy and pasted out of context passages? FOAD indeed.... now we see the REAL "Nick", eh. Suck it up lad, suck it up !!!
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  416. On D-Day the British and Canadians put 75,215 troops ashore, the Americans 57,500. As an indication of the weight of armoured forces the allies were facing after the D-Day landings here are the German armoured dispositions around the Normandy bridgehead by the middle of July 1944. British 2nd and Canadian 1st Armies facing Caen and the eastern portion of the Normandy bridgehead were opposed by: 1st SS Pz Div (Liebstandarte SS Adolf Hitler) 9th SS Pz Div (Hohenstaufen) 10th SS Pz Div (Frundsberg) 12th SS Pz Div (HitlerJugend) 21st Pz Div 116th Pz Div 101st Heavy SS Pz Abteilung 102nd Heavy SS Pz Abteilung 503rd Heavy Pz Abteilung Which had flooded into Normandy from the Pas de Calais area in response to the realisation that the D-Day landings were NOT a diversionary attack. The American 1st & 3rd Armies on the Contentin peninsular and in the western portion of the Normandy bridgehead were opposed by: 2nd SS Pz Div (Das Reich) 17th SS PzGr Div (Götz von Berlichingen) Pz Lehr Div While telling everyone how "great they are", Americans should remember to say a respectful "Thank you" to the British and Canadians who took the brunt of the German defensive reaction & shielded you from the worst of the fighting while the yanks flailed about in the "Bocage" against mostly "stomach divisions" and were allowed to amass for "Cobra" in relative peace and quiet.
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  417. You've never been to a D-Day commemoration have you lad? Y'know the commemorations where the local popuiace and civil dignitories come out in their droves to welcome and thank their liberators from the US & the UK/Commonwealth. Stow your lefty divisive nonsense, and maybe go live in North Korea to spare us any more of your BS.
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  418. Gave his life for his country? Oh give over.
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  419. He only researches historical fact.
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  420. "glory"... Hahahaha... what a dork.
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  421.  @bluewizzard8843  Think its YOU who fancies the SS garb... got one in your wardrobe have you ? For "special" occasions?
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  422. My father was onboard the Royal Navy cruiser HMS Dorsetshire during the "Bismarck saga". He took part in the rescues of the 86 Bismarck sailors that were picked up by her after the sinking. One of the rescued survivors, a badly injured German sailor named Gerhard Lüttich, died on the operating table in Dorsetshire's sick bay that evening. The following morning, 28th May 1941, his body was then "committed to the deep" with full military honours provided by BOTH his German comrades AND sailors from HMS Dorsetshire, with the last post played by a Royal Marine bugler. The remaining surviving crew were treated EXCELLENTLY by the crews of HMS Dorsetshire & HMS Maori, being given the same bunking arrangements as the crew (under guard of course), and provided with 3 hot meals a day for the 4 days they were on board. They were also given Grog (rum and water) which was only normally issued to the RN sailors, the survivors were also provided with sweets, chocolate and cigarettes by the RN crews, and this was just 3 days after the sinking of HMS Hood. Human decency does still exist sometimes in the middle of abject horror.
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  423. Proxy wars? I thought you were talking about China, not the US?
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  424. We're stuck "between a rock and a hard place" aren't we? Communism or neocon globalism that will happily spread viruses amongst the peoples of the world and them sell them poison to "counteract" it.
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  425. The EU is but one regional branch of "corporate globalism".
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  426.  @Tschacki_Quacki  What used to be known as "world communism" has today been usurped by "corporate globalism", forget the socialist/capitalist name tags, it's just global domination and exploitation by one flavour or another.
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  427. No Mark you must have made a mistake.. the legions of nazi enthralled kids in comments will tell you that the bombing of Guernica was of no importance....even though the bridge that was ostensibly the target of the bombers was untouched while the busy weekly market place was flattened with heavy casualties unheard of at the point in history.
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  428. Hahahaha REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE !!!!
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  429. Indeed it was after FDR handed eastern Europe over into the soviet sphere of influence.... as a bargaining chip for the Soviet declaration of war on the Japanese.
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  430.  @Schlipperschlopper  No really I don't. In 58 years of reading about WW2 naval history I have NEVER come across a US to UK "LW" convoy code.... mainly because they never existed. There were TWO "LW" convoy code series used during WW2. One was a series of three convoys that travelled from Norfolk, Virginia to Wellington New Zealand via the Panama Canal in summer 1943. The three convoys of the series were.... LW 100 consisting of the USN naval stores ships USS Alchiba, USS Alcyone, USS Libra & USS Mizar. LW 101 consisting of two C3 "Liberty" merchant supply ships, those being the MV Bloemfontein & Mormacport LW 102 consisting of four C2 "liberty" merchant supply ships those being MV Fairisle, Kenmore, Robin Wentley & Roger Williams. They shipped supplies to the SW pacific to support the US Gilbert islands campaign. The Other "LW" convoy series were the small "Levant West" convoys in the eastern mediterranean sailing between Haifa and Port Said. NEITHER of which are anything to do with your imaginary ramblings above. For example please tell me where you can find details of the USN Escort carrier "USS Sequoia"? The fact is that there was NO USS Sequoia escort carrier, the only ship of than name on the books of the USN was actually the Presidential yacht of Woodrow Wilson !!!
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  431.  @KokkiePiet  It's complete nonsense... obviously a writer of "alt history"... there was NEVER an an allied "LW" convoy route. Ignore his piffle.
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  432. Imagine the fear that polaris missile subs berthing at the Holy loch nuclear submarine base just 20 miles from the centre of Glasgow had in the 1960!!!
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  433. Seeing as the British deep penetration bombs were travelling at close to mach 1 when they impacted the ground even a direct impact fuse would have resulted in an explosion a good distance beneath the surface. In practice the "Grand Slam" detonated at about 130ft underground thereby setting off seismic shock waves through the earth that would literally shake bunkers/bridges to destruction or at the very least right off their foundations.
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  434. By the standards of 1940 it was UNPRECEDENTED.
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  435. 460,000 British deaths during WW2 or 1% of the national population, from a country that was NOT invaded, but ruined itself in the service of others. Compare that to 406,000 American deaths or 0.32% of the US national population. Settle down now, the only one whinging on here is yourself.
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  436. That's what you call "escalation". If you don't want things to "escalate" don't go around doing such things to others in the first place.
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  437. What part of night bombing in the era before extensive radar equipped night fighter coverage do you not understand?
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  438. The German night bombing radio navigation systems were capable of hitting within maybe 100m of a target point. Lazer like accuracy when you consider night bombing at that time guided by astro navigation and "dead reckoning" was lucky to get 5% of bombs within 5 miles of the target.
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  439.  @trooperdgb9722  There WERE radar equipped nightfighters in 1940 !!! British technology being the first to put one into the air.
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  440. What? high explosive and large amounts of it?
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  441. Utter nonsense.
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  442. Nonsense.
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  443. The Cookie was the British version of the SC2500.
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  444. What I've heard over the years was that German twin and multi engined engined aircraft had engines that were in some way were sonically "out of phase", and so made a low throbbing sound from a distance where allied aircraft of the same type were reported to make a constant unchanging drone. Its something you tend to hear on the soundtracks of films made during the era.
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  445. Trialen 105, a mixture of 15% RDX, 70% TNT and 15% aluminum powder.
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  446. The UK government ordered millions of "Anderson shelters" (named after the British home secretary of the time, Sir John Anderson) to be made and distributed around its major cities. The government offered them to householders for purchase (subsidised by the government), if I remember correctly they cost the individual homeowner about £5 (a considerable amount of money in 1939) At the end of the war the government collected in the majority of the shelters, but if individuals wished to keep them they could make a second payment (probably for another £5), to buy them outright and the shelter was theirs for keeps. Growing up in 1970s Liverpool, many of my neighbours still had their "andersons" in use as tool & garden sheds.
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  447. Feck sake its Mr Oppenhiemer !!!!
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  448. Not if they or their sub contractors don't keep logs, there are several companies who've been subpeonaed in the US and have legally submitted that they have no relevant evidence stored on their systems.
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  449.  @sittinandthinkin  It's a very nice place is Bromley.... Let's face it, you won't be seeing much of it.
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  450.  @bob_the_bomb4508  Great info... thanks for that. And thank you for your own service too.
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  451. Maybe you'd laugh at the small children in various parts of the world who've been blinded, maimed and killed by such weapons to this very day?
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  452. Tell that to the citizens of German cities from 1942-45.
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  453. Aircraft Carriers, Tanks and planes, torpedoes... want some more?
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  454. Or indeed US cluster bombs being supplied to their Ukrainian proxies.
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  455. Yeowwhinaeyarghewarwhenewarghow. Charlies says never to play with abandonded WW2 munitions but to go and get your big brother to pick it up and take it home instead.
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  456. Get yourself off to hospital sounds like you've suffered concussion from one of these devices.
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  457. Aircraft carriers, tanks, aircraft, torpedoes, to name but a few.
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  458. We do. Its just the globalist financed puppets in Westminster who do as their masters in the WEF, UN and NATO tell them to using the public funds of the UK tax payer to enrich the privately owned western military industrial complex.
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  459. Never realised they were dropped from aircraft during Royalist ground attack missions at the battle of Edgehill !!!
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  460.  @Steve-GM0HUU  Good call... I would suggest that the Osprey DOES constitute a "rotary winged aircraft". My point was I wonder why some people insist on using the overly "wordy" "rotary winged aircraft" when it seems that 99.9% of the time "helicopter" would suffice just as well, and be understood by a wider range of people at the same time. Thanks for the example. 😁
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  461.  @Veegs.  What? Were the Russians dropping cluster bombs on US soil? Maybe if the Finns were manufacturing and dropping them on the Russians there'd be justification and some degree of poetic justice, but don't try to suggest that power crazed US neocons continuing the fine US tradition of getting their proxies to scatter US death and misery around the planet is in any way justified.
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  462. Who by? The nazis during WW2? Strange how the US and their NATO puppets are now furnishing contempoorary Ukrainian neo-nazis with these weapons now.
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  463. The Luftwaffe lost over HALF of their Ju52 air transport aircraft during the attack on the Netherlands. I vaguely recall a figure of around 250 or so Ju52's
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  464. Really? So what about the Saturn V rocket, the Western intelligence effort against the soviets during "the cold war", and the repeated use of cluster bombs depleted uranium and chemical warfare agents by the US since WW2?
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  465. While completely ignoring the catastrophic effect allied bombing had on German industry (wait for the "well Germany was producing more war materiel by the end of the war than at the beginning" crowd). Compared to the relatively light damage inflicted on British industry.
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  466. Pity they don't have you available to walk up and give them a good kick first... just to make sure.
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  467. Very kind of the Ukrainians to do the US's dirty work for them.
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  468. You're mistaking that for the US proxy war in Ukraine, which the US neocon globalists intend to have running perpetually. There's FAR to much profit to be made without letting the sides come to a peaceful solution !!!
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  469.  @jasonhuegan7007  If you consider that to being "pimped" then I'm sorry to tell you that you've been pimped since the day you were born. Either accept it, or do something about it. You've missed my point. Are you a Brit?
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  470. Read about a "fleet in being". It doesn't have to do anything to tie up huge resources. And it can't be ignored because as soon as your back is turned its out in the Norwegian sea destroying your supply convoys to the Soviet Union.
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  471. Because with the addition of a wooden holster/shoulder stock it could be converted into a 9mm carbine (short rifle). The tangent sights on the artillery luger are graduated upto 800 meters. Not bad for a 9mm "pistol". They also produced a 32 round drum magazine for it... just use google images to get the idea.
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  472.  @frankpohl4377  so a "time delayed, striker type of fuse then. As has been said many times... balls of titanium to use them. Thanks for the info..... All the best from the UK.
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  473. Aye, Happy memories of Perch Rock and New Brighton, day trips from Liverpool, Walking along the front at Egremont from the Wallasey ferry.... Pity I was born too late to get the ferry to the end of New Brighton Pier, and see the tower ballroom.
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  474. Like ALL political ideologes of ALL creeds. Ask anyone who lived in the "Worker's paradise" of the USSR.
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  475. A large proportion of people believe what they see and are told to believe, that is still true today. Only a relatviely small proportion of people have the power of critical independent thought. Its what the "Unthunkers" and their shepherds label as "wearing a tinfoil hat".
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  476. Don't hold your breath. Why would you want him forgotten? So it can happen again? Same goes for Stalin and the communists.
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  477. For all those deriding the "Royals" (and believe me I'm NO fan of theirs either), what do you suggest as an alternative? A Trudeau / Macron / Biden et al globalist "republican" shitfest?
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  478.  @Saavik256  Hence why I said "us Brits" :)
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  479.  @JohnDoe-ff2fc  Like Michael Fagin's "self guided tour" in 1982. :)
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  480. Robert Mead 1 - 0 Mark Felton. Well spotted Bob !!!
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  481. They're Humber Mk II Scout Cars. British recon vehicles produced between 1942 & 45. They were the forerunner to the British Army's postwar "Ferret" armoured cars.
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  482. There are TWO badges. The U-boat war badge (oval shaped) and the U-boat front clasp (oval shaped but with oak leaf "wings") which was awarded in bronze and also silver. They'll fetch a GOOD price if they're genuine and not repo.
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  483. "Das boot" was the screenplay of the book of the same name by Lothar-Günther Buchheim, who sailed as a PK (Propaganda Korps) reporter onboard the German U boat U-96 in Oct 1941.
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  484. And as a U-bootsman he maybe also flew an Focke-Achgelis Fa 330A-1 Bachstelze gyrocopter off the deck of a U-boat so he fought "in the air" as well !!!
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  485.  @lulurodmon  I played it for years with a friend... I was mostly on standard account with only a few small purchases over that time. My friend POURS money (and still does) into his constantly "premium" account and regularly smashed my ass, and also regularly enjoyed light heartedly ribbing me about his "superiority". So last year, slightly in desperation, I challenged him to the "best of 10 matches" on a "level playing field" of two brand new standard accounts where no money had been spent on them. My long standing suspicions were CLEARLY confirmed. He suddenly realised that his shots weren't as "laser accurate" as they were in his well paid for account and also they had a much greater chance of not penning or ricochetting, and when they did "pen" they had a far greater chance of low damage supposed RNG rolling. After 3 series of "the best of 10 matches" he was humbled by the fact that I'd smashed HIS ass 3 times, and since then is not so ebullient anymore, though he still regularly blows me away with his usual high cost account. The game (as with most modern MMO games) is a very well presented & well crafted system for peeling money out of the wallets of gullible, low self esteem & low intelligence people.
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  486. Ask the people of Northern Ireland what they want....It's NOT your say, its THEIRS.
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  487.  @CaptAmeric  As Charles Dickens once wrote "They were the best of times, they were the worst of times". All the best from the UK !!!
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  488. I was a young lad in the RAF in the mid 80s and we were ordered STRICTLY never to wear uniform off the station (even though all us young lads were eager to do so), anyone caught wearing regulation uniform off camp was on a charge, such was the tension in the country at the time.
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  489. There's plenty who have been awake for years... but the globalist police state is now in full swing... the socialists are rubbing their hands in glee at the unrest that the policies of the globalist parties have wrought in the UK... I see the army on the streets soon as the flames of democratic representation die in the west.
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  490. "Emergency powers that they never returned".... Covid BS anyone?
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  491. As someone has already mentioned in the comments its quite possible that the item found in Australia is also a German naval mine, the German Auxiliary cruisers were merchant ships disguised as innocent civilian cargo ships that were armed with hidden medium calibre guns and fitted with hidden rails to lay hundreds of mines in the "roadways" into ports across the British empire.
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  492. The weight is the overall weight of the bomb. For example the Germans classified their bombs into two main categories, called "SC" and "SD". The "SC" stood for "Sprengbombe Cylindrisch" which meant that the bomb casing was relatively thin with a high internal capacity for explosive filler (which is what the allies called THEIR version of these bombs ... "HC" or "high capacity") these were "surface blast bombs" designed to cause maximum surface damage to a wider surrounding area. The "SD" stood for "Sprengbombe Dickwandig" which translates as "thick walled blast bomb". These bombs for the same weight were physically much smaller than the equivalent "SC" bomb because they were constructed with a MUCH thicker steel casing which was designed to allow the bomb to penetrate deeper into the ground without breaking up in the impact before the smaller payload of explosive set up "ground shock waves" to damage building foundations and underground utlility services. A German SC500 bomb weighed 500kg and was 5 ft in length from the tip of its nose to its "filling cap" at the rear of its case. A German SD500 bomb weighed 500kg and was 3ft 6½in in length, from the tip of its nose to its "filling cap" at the rear of its case The largest German bombs were the SC1800 (1800kg or 4000 lb) high capacity blast bombs that were nicknamed as the "Satan" The largest British bombs were the 10 ton (10,000kg or 22,000lb) "Grand Slam" which were large enough to be BOTH thick walled AND relatively high capacity bombs designed to bury themselves at supersonic speed deep into the earth before detonating 4,000kg (or 9,500 lbs) of high explosive, such was the destructive power of these bombs they were frequently known as "Earthquake bombs" that were used to literally shake difficult to hit targets to pieces.
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  493. Quite a lot..... their main effect being to make Germans stop and think before they go dropping them on everyone else first in future.
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  494. Thats a poor avenue to explore... the allies would end up paying the Germans FAR FAR more for our unexploded bombs in their cities.
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  495. It'd be a bad precedent to set... there will be FAR more unexploded British and US bombs in German cities than the other way around.
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  496. Untouched apart from the large wooden door that had nearly taken his head off while he slept.
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  497. Maybe Germany should stop invading and murdering her neighbours?
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  498.  @annehersey9895  A nice concise assessment of the situation Anne.
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  499. Not it wasn't. IT was the "Phoney war" for the British Empire, the "Drôle de guerre" for the French and the "Sitzkrieg" for the Germans. The rest of the world wasn't in the slightest bit interested in German expansionism in Europe at that time.
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  500. Lots of BS in your post. Why would a REALLY thick casing be on a naval mine or a thin walled blast bomb exactly? Next one they dig up make sure to volunteer yourself to yank the fuse out of it, as you KNOW it'll be ineffective.
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  501.  @moorec1053  EOD use remote devices to check and defuse UXO's now. The days of BD officers crouched over a ticking bomb are mostly things of the past now.
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  502. What goes round, comes around.
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  503. She would have known about the infamous "Durning Road" tragedy in Liverpool on the 29th November 1940. During a luftwaffe raid on the city, hundreds of people took shelter in the cellars of the "Ernest Brown Junior Instructional College" in the Edge Hill area of Liverpool. During the raid a "landmine" as they were commonly known landed on the college building and collapsed its several floors into the cellars below, as well as the crush injuries, the huge iron boiler used to power the college's central heating system burst and scalded and drowned many further casualties. 166 people were confirmed killed in the single incident, but due to the chaos of the blitz on Liverpool in 1940/41 the site was never fully cleared and its believed that further unaccounted for victims remained uncovered.
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  504. ???
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  505. Showing your age there Hugh.
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  506. Air bursting fuses had not really come to fruition during WW2. Two of the rare exceptions to this general rule were the two atomic bombs that exploded over Hiroshima nd Nagasaki which were detonated by doppler radar altimetric fuses.
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  507. EXCELLENT series....Even has an episode where they're defusing one of these mofos.
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  508. Go polish your repro HJ dagger... Mummy says you've got junior school in the morning !!!
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  509. Only a fraction of those committed by the axis. Then again genocide wasn't actual government policy for the western allies.
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  510.  @finnberglander7816  First German bombs dropped on the British mainland? 16th October 1939 saw the very first bombs dropped on Britain when the Germans launched scattered air attacks over port and industrial facilities around the Scottish city of Edinburgh, and the RN naval base at Rosyth. First bombs dropped by the RAF on German soil? 19th March 1940... When on 13th November 1939 the luftwaffe bombed RAF Sullom Voe a seaplane base with port facilities in the Shetland Isles (with the resultant death of a rabbit, and no hits on the 9 seaplanes or 2 RN vessels stationed there), the RAF retaliated by hitting the nazi seaplane base at Hörnum on the island of Sylt in the North Sea. These were THE VERY FIRST RAF bombs to land on German soil....5 months AFTER the first German bombs had landed on British soil. The first British or German civilian casualty caused by the bombing of the opposing side during WW2? 16th March 1940 when German bombs hit the village of Waithe on Orkney during an attack on the Home Fleet anchorage at Scapa Flow, which killed a 27 year-old County Council employee, James Isbister (luckily, his wife, baby son, and the neighbour James was endeavouring to rescue from her bombed cottage all survived). First British bombs to drop on the actual German mainland? 11th May 1940, when the British air ministry for the first time allowed the bombing of railway yards, communication centres and bridges west of the Rhine River as interdiction of German supply lines for the German assault into the NEUTRAL Low countries and France on 10th May 1940. Previous to this date the British air ministry in an effort to stop the spreading of the conflict had refused to allow the RAF to drop ANY bombs on the German mainland, instead the RAF supplied the German demand for toilet paper by dropping propaganda leaflets on German cities. This attack on 11th May 1940 had also come after REPEATED attacks against RN installations on the British mainland, most notably at Rosyth near Edinburgh, and the Cromarty Firth, both in Scotland throughout the winter of 1939/40. First British bombs dropped EAST of the Rhine River? 23/24th August 1940. This attack ostensibly directed at the Klingenberg Power Station in Eastern Berlin & Templehof airport was in RETALIATION for REPEATED luftwaffe raids on RAF stations within the suburbs of Greater London throughout July and August 1940 that had already caused HUNDREDS of innocent British civilian deaths & casualties (euphemistically known nowadays as "collateral damage") this was inspite of Hitler's previous decrees that no bombs should be dropped within the boundaries of Greater London. Obviously that decree had never reached the ears of Herman Goering. German retaliation for the one night of bombing of Berlin on 23/24th August 1940? The launching of the all out assault against British cities from 7th sept 1940 onwards, culminating in the world's first attempt to create a firestorm during operation "moonlight sonata" on the British city of Coventry on the night of 14/15th Nov 1940, where the luftwaffe sent 575 bombers using their world beating "X-gerat" bombing system (in the Germans own words capable of placing "target indicator" flares with an accuracy of 50 meters at 200 miles range) over the civilian city centre of Coventry dropping 550 tons of high explosive (including hundreds of "flammen" (oil) bombs) followed by over 30,000 incendiary bombs. The final death toll of that single raid? A previously unheard of 568 innocent civilians, this was in addition to the thousands of other British civilians already killed in other cities across Britain over the previous 2 months. The first British bombing raid directly targetted at German civilians? "Operation Abigail" on the night of 16/17th December 1940, (3 months AFTER the opening of the nazi "blitz" on British cities) the Dec 16th attack by the RAF was launched against the German city of Mannheim where 100 RAF bombers dropped 100 tons of HE and 14,000 incendiaries inflicting a death toll on the German population of 34 dead and 81 injured. Not to worry though , the RAF eventually "upped its game" and showed the Germans how to do it properly a year or two later. Don't try to hide the fact that the Germans enjoyed dropping HE on the cities of its neighbours from the earliest days of flight. The first aerial bombs dropped in history were from a zeppelin raid on Bruges in Belgium in August 1914... just 11 years after the invention of powered flight. Since WW2, they've learned the lesson NOT to do it again.
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  511. They were so brutally treated that large numbers of them freely elected to remain in the US and Canada after the war.
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  512.  @williamkirk1156  Nice social history there William, I always find such insights very interesting. The one thing I would disagree with is your assessment that the US trade with BOTH sides of the European war are "well known and discussed". They are known to those of us with an interest in the era, but you have only to read YT comments to read the LEGIONS of clueless Americans who have utterly NO knowledge of that situation.
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  513.  @williamkirk1156  It's only strange when you're not aware of the fact that the US taking advantage of its neutral status was carrying out VERY profitable business with BOTH sides off the European war.
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  514. Well the US wasn't going to declare war on one of its biggest military customers now was it?
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  515. The U-boat captain you point out was Kapitänleutnant Erich Topp. He was the commander of U-552 which sank the American destroyer USS Rueben James as it escorted the British convoy HX 156 in Oct 1941, before taking part in "unternehmen Paukenschlag" on his next patrol.
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  516.  @Don_Viktore  While human society in general has a "background level" of sexual crime, to mention it while discussing the systematic rape of countless hundreds of thousands of German women in the space of a just a few months and the state ordered murder of hundreds of thousands of Soviet women by the nazis , is just a cack handed attempt to try to minimise and normalise those crimes. Those two historic mass crimes against women are almost unknown in any other country around the world. So to try to portray those events as "oh well, other countries have sex crimes too". Is stupid beyond belief.
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  517. It'll be placed into a casket next to Lenin in the Red Square Mausoleum.
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  518. Please explain how Britain "betrayed Poland".
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  519. None at all. Rest of the world shouuld be ashamed for turning a blind eye to the conquest of Poland by the nazis.... We in the UK startted the ball rolling when no one else was interested. If it hadn't been for us, the death camps in Poland would have been operating into the 1950s or 60s.... No need to thank us.
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  520. The Polish tragedy is less to do with "the west" and everything to do with its geographical location, sandwiched between two belligerent power blocs.
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  521. "wahhh.... Pieces of eight.....pieces of eight" That's what parrots normally squawk. Poland was the ONLY country to receive TWO invites to the parade, and through a poisonous mix of political hatred and hubris CHOSE to ignore them BOTH !!!
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  522.  @void_god  Forget "status and rank" Maybe in their own country..... What about ordinary troops who've been killed, traumatised and damaged being left without any support by their country. They're EVERY bit as entitled to be supported by the nation that they've been "placed in harm's way" to protect. But as in ALL nations, once they've been used, they're then cast aside by the elites. Polish generals as well.
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  523. The treatment received by the two Polish generals was NO different to that received by hundreds of thousands of equally deserving British service personnel returning to a battered, worn out and financially bankrupted UK at the end of WW2. Does being a foreign general somehow automatically entitle you to better treatment than others equally deserving?
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  524. Indeed how hundreds of thousands of equally deserving British troops were treated on return from WW2 was every bit as bad. But as so many people including Mark seem to forget the nation was completely bankrupted. Life gets hard when you have no money. Simple fact.
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  525. Don't worry Martin you're not the only one highlighting the one sided nonsense that's spewed in comment threads such as these.... I've been doing it mostly alone for the last few months. Keep up the good work.
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  526. Try attending a "Remembrance day" parade anywhere in the UK. To this day you will see specific tributes and honours paid to the Poles who fought nazism in the west. I wonder how many honours and tributes are paid in Poland for the 460,000 British lives that were sacrificed in the effort to topple the nazi tyranny that murdered and raped YOUR country?
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  527. But no different from the treatment of hundreds of thousands of returning British troops, coming home to a nation that had bankrupted itself to free Europe.
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  528. Why not go live there?
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  529.  @BulletproofPastor  Can you pplease point out to me where I used the word "insignificant"? Where did you get the BS idea from that Poles were forcibly repatriated after WW2? Look dry your misplaced tears and go and google for "1947 UK Polish Resettlement Act". Its the act of UK Parliament that granted FULL UK citizenship and residency rights to ALL Polish ex-service personnel who had served alongside the British armed forces AND their families. In fact nearly 300,000 Poles took up the offer and elected to stay in Britain after WW2, hence why even today the UK has suck a large Polish ex-pat community. The SMALL number who understandably but naively returned to Poland did so of their own free will. Instead of believing the communist drivel you've been drip fed over the last 70 years, remember this. If it hadn't been for the British & French declaration of war in 1939, regardless of their inability to give meaningful support to Poland in its "hour of need" or if the UK had surrendered in june 1940 after the collapse of France (as the ENTIRE world expected us to) then Poland would have remained under nazi domination for DECADES. Remember that apart from Britain and France (who between them collectively squandered 1.1 million of their own citizen's lives, as well as both bankrupting themselves as nations) absolutely NO ONE in the so called "international community" raised a finger or cared whether Poland existed or not in 1939. Without the continued opposition of the British empire to nazism from June 1940 onwards, there would have been: NO D-Day and war in the Meditteranean to draw sizeable wehrmacht resources from the war on the Eastern Front. NO strategic bombing of German cities and war industries. NO interdiction of German global sea trade by the Royal Navy. NO massive supply of weapons and war materiel from the west to the USSR, once their former allies nazi Germany had turned on them. NO utterly crucial strategic intelligence courtesy of Britain's (not Poland's before you say it) "ULTRA" program. With the result that the USSR would have collapsed somewhere in 1942/43, leaving the nazis in control of the whole of Europe, and their extermination camps still operating on Polish soil into the 1950s, 60s, or even 70s. Ignorant modern day Poles should, on their way out, please remember to kneel at the altar dedicated to the combined 1.1 million lives sacrificed by the UK and France in order to topple the nazism that was murdering and torturing YOUR country when NOBODY else cared whether you lived or died.
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  530. None whatsoever.
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  531.  @rosesprog1722  Thank you for that potted history, its given me enough interest to go and do a bit more reading on the subject. All the best.
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  532. It was no different to how hundreds of thousands of returning British heroes were treated. The UK as a nation was bankrupted by WW2.
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  533. Or maybe "Polish officers lived out their lives in peace courtesy of the UK, instead of being executed by the Polish communist authorities post WW2" ?
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  534. Not really, just the same treatment that was handed out to many BRITISH returning veterans in the bankrupted for the sake of other nations Britain post WW2.
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  535. I'd consider the postwar UK Taxpayer taking in nearly 300,000 Polish ex-service personnel AND their families after Poland had been stolen by the Soviets to be a proud act. You should read about it in the 1947 UK Polish resettlement act.
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  536. But it was conquered and enslaved by them.
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  537.  @1rwjwith  Respects to their service. My own father served in the RN from 1940 to 1946 and as well as seeing the Bismarck sunk, also had his own ship sunk by the same Japanese dive bombers who had carried out the "Pearl Harbour" attack and narrowly avoided death after HMS Warspite was struck by two German radio guided bombs off Salerno in 1943. One of my uncles served in the Royal Engineers and carried out tank recovery across Europe from D-Day to VE Day, and my second uncle served in the RAF as a engineer at the Royal Aircraft Establishment at Farnborough. All 3 struggled to find work after their return from WW2. They were all born in Liverpool UK, but one uncle had to move to Birmingham to find work (it was where he spent the rest of his life) and the other had to move to Hull and life was very hard for all of them as well as most returning service personnel after WW2.
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  538. The UK continues to honour the Poles who served in the west during WW2 to this day at each and every Remembrance day parade across the UK.... BUT the ignorance of modern day Poles as witnessed in so many of the comments in this thread is quite incredible. Their ignorance of the fact that if it hadn't been for the British & French declaration of war in 1939, regardless of their inability to give meaningful support to Poland in its "hour of need" or if the UK had surrendered in june 1940 after the collapse of France (as the ENTIRE world expected us to) then Poland would have remained under nazi domination for DECADES. Remember that apart from Britain and France (who between them collectively squandered 1.1 million of their own citizen's lives, as well as both bankrupting themselves as nations) absolutely NO ONE in the so called "international community" raised a finger or cared whether Poland existed or not in 1939. Without the continued opposition of the British empire to nazism, there would have been: NO D-Day and war in the Meditteranean to draw sizeable wehrmacht resources from the war on the Eastern Front. NO strategic bombing of German cities and war industries NO massive supply of weapons and war materiel from the west to the USSR, once their former allies nazi Germany had turned on them. NO utterly crucial strategic intelligence courtesy of Britain's (not Poland's before you say it) "ULTRA" program. With the result that the USSR would have collapsed somewhere in 1942/43, leaving the nazis in control of the whole of Europe, and their extermination camps still operating on Polish soil into the 1950s, 60s, or even 70s. For those Ignorant modern day Poles, please feel free to thank the UK (and France) for that commitment and resolve when NOBODY else cared whether you lived or died. And for all current honourable Poles, best wishes from the UK.
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  539. Only nation that truly lost? How about the UK? Lost its global empire and went from the world's largest financial power in 1900 to the world's greatest debtor in 1945. Bankrupted, blasted and bombed. Not much of a "victory" for the UK having kept the flame of democracy alive in Europe during its darkest days.
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  540.  @robo261  Hello Robert. I'm sorry to say that YT has deleted your response from the thread, I am only able to read the first line through my "notifications" tab, though by that one line yours appears to have been a reasonable response. Please accept our best wishes from the UK.
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  541. As Patton once said "Untutored courage is useless in the face of educated bullets".
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  542. Exactly, thats what 450,000 British and 600,000 French citizens did for Poland & Europe.
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  543.  @rosesprog1722  What you mean is you're "not a fan of the Polish people of that time, but I hate the British more". You talk so much utter nonsense. How and why would Churchill "promises openly to the Poles" when he had absolutely NO say whatsoever as to what Stalin chose to do post WW2? As for your "google "The Percentages Agreement"", you can also google "Is the earth flat?" and be presented with thousands of pages of conclusive and heartfelt "evidence" that it indeed is.
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  544. But no different from the treatment handed out to hundreds of thousands of equally deserving British troops returning to their battered and bankrupted country after WW2.
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  545. Yes British heroes mostly.
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  546. Indeed, but in what way was it different to Britain's OWN returning soldiers? Should THEY not also have been "celebrated and lauded" instead of being cast back out onto "civvy street" with little or in most cases NO support?
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  547. How would you have gone about removing 13,000,000 red army troops stationed in central & eastern Europe inthe summer of 1945? Such a pity that all those who whinge about the "betrayal of Poland" weren't actually in the front line ready to lay down their OWN lives in the war to push the USSR back to its 1939 borders. An old British saying that fits those people well is "all mouth and no trousers".
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  548. And why would they? When the nations and populations you mention were themselves COMPLETELY bankrupted post WW2 and reliant on US handouts?
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  549. What a tragedy that the 2 generals did not receive the life they imagined for themselves after WW2.... just like COUNTLESS millions of others.
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  550. To ease your sorrow, please read about the "1947 UK Polish resettlement act" and how it offered a safe new national home for nearly 300,000 staless Polish ex-service personnel and their families, as it gave them FULL UK citizenship and residency rights, as well as full access to all relevant UK wlefare beneifts that were "coming online" at that point after WW2, which was necessary after the Soviets stole their Polish homelands.
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  551. Their misfortune is their geography.... being sandwiched between two belligerent powers, Russia / USSR & Germany.
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  552. Then compare how the generals were treated to how hundreds of thousands of ordinary returning and equally deserving British troops were treated and its nothing out of the ordinary at all. Also think how a long life serving pints in a nice Edinburgh pub compares to the alternative that the UK saved him from. That is a lying dead in a ditch in a remote Polish forest with a soviet bullet in the back of his head. Makes Edinburgh sound like paradise doesn't it? Remember "Glass half full".
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  553. And indeed tyrannical communists as well.
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  554. That's what the "workers paradise" of communism looks like in real life.
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  555. What a load of complete and utter nonsense. "African Colonial troops....... were sent back home with a few medals". And what exactly do you think ordinary British troops were sent back home with? £10,000 in their back pocket and a hamper from Fortnum & Mason's"? FFS get real soft lad.
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  556. Such a pity you weren't there to lead the charge against the evil of the communists.
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  557.  @karlwagner932  Well if you've spent the previous 8 years scattering high explosive over the cities of your neighbours, its a bit rich to then expect sympathy when they do it back to you isn't it?
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  558.  @GremlinPL  Let me make it simple for you with an everyday analogy. If some mad brute passing by you in the street, without warning, punches you in the face then rapes you, do you then get angry and abusive towards the ONLY "good samaritan" who rushed from across the street to your aid, but never made it in time to stop the initial assault? Britain and France assured Poland that if the Wehrmacht crossed the Polish frontier, that they would declare war on nazi Germany, which as good as their word, they did. Instead the UK and France could have done what the ENTIRE rest of the world did and just "walked on by", simply ignoring the nazi / communist dismemberment of Poland in Sept 1939. What do you imagine would have happened to Poland then? Would Poland somehow rise up on her own and miraculously overthrow her nazi & soviet conquerors alone? Who knows what would happen in hundreds of years time, but rest assured in OUR lifetimes Poland would STILL to this day have a swastika flying over Warsaw, and the chimneys of nazi death camps would STILL to this day be belching out human ashes into Polish skies. Adolf Hitler explicitly wanted more than anything else for the UK to join his "crusade", and support his "vision" for a nazi dominated Europe while we controlled the world's seas and kept our Empire.... what an unbeatable alliance that would have been !!! But Instead of looking out for our own selfish interests, the largely unprepared UK and France declared war on Hitler's Germany for Poland & Europe's sake, NOT OUR OWN, What benefit did the UK receive from declaring war on Germany? That selfless act alone set in train the events that eventually led to the fall of nazism 5½ years later.... only then for the communists and Americans to betray Poland and NOT allow democracy to flourish there postwar (but keep in mind that Poland had NOT been a democracy before WW2 anyway). After the fall of France in June 1940 the UK, against the expectations of the ENTIRE world, then fought on ALONE in Europe & North Africa from June 1940 to June 1941 & continued the opposition to nazism when absolutely NO-ONE else in the world was interested. Who ELSE do you imagine was going to save Poland? The USSR? They'd eagerly joined the nazis in raping Poland, and then happily executed 22,000 of your countrymen in one fell swoop, followed by countless others. The USA? Their chosen neutrality meant they were NEVER going to get drawn into a European war (it was only nazi Germany's declaration of war on the US in Dec 1941 that dragged their backsliding arses into the conflict), in fact US businesses were only TOO happy to do business with BOTH sides, and happily supplied Britain AND Germany with raw materials, fuel and war equipment while the nazis raped Poland and then continued to do so THROUGHOUT the rest of WW2. Poland's eastern European neighbours? They all pretended not to notice Poland being raped and murdered in front of their very eyes and instead all of them quickly signed up with the nazis. Without the continued opposition of the British empire ALONE to nazism from June 1940 onwards, opposition which bankrupted the UK and cost her 460,000 of her citizen's lives, there would have been: NO D-Day and war in the Meditteranean to draw sizeable wehrmacht resources away from the war on the Eastern Front. NO strategic bombing of German cities and war industries. NO interdiction of German global sea trade by the Royal Navy. NO massive supply of weapons and war materiel from the west to the USSR, once their former allies nazi Germany had turned on them. NO utterly crucial strategic intelligence courtesy of Britain's (not Poland's before you say it) "ULTRA" program. With the result that the USSR would have collapsed somewhere in 1942/43, leaving the nazis in control of the whole of Europe, and their extermination camps would STILL be operating on Polish soil today. There's no need for you to thank me for my efforts to reduce your complete ignorance of the European situation from the 1940s onwards.
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  559. 24:27 "Happy Families"
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  560.  @jaccoheijnen4617  Hahaha... THAT makes a bit more sense. Given the number of "Brit haters" normally stalking in comments I saw a conclusion and jumped to it. Using the acronym RAF is naturally going to lead to some confusion though... but I get your point. Thanks for the clarification.
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  561. Just remember that for all the awful people who infest history there are just as many "paragons of virtue" in society as well. (With a large mass of the "uninterested & indifferent" in the middle) But the nature of their virtue means they seldom if ever receive any publicity. DON'T be so despondent, it's how the inhuman globalists want us all to be.
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  562. Its SALE was banned, not its POSSESSION.
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  563. The vast majority elected to stay in the UK where they had kindly been granted UK citizenship, after the heinous theft of Poland by trhe communists after WW2.
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  564. The same old complete BS... "forgot to invite the Poles to the Victory Parade" when the truth is that Poland was the ONLY nation to receive TWO invites to the parade, and through a poisonous mixture of Polish political hatred and hubris chose to IGNORE then both. "Sold the Poles to the Russian mob". Please tell me EXACTLY what "profit" the UK got from this imagined "sale" of Poland. That is apart from having to house 300,000 Polish ex-service personnel and their families. You seem to be oblivious that the USSR had "liberated" Poland from the nazis in 1944 at the cost of several million soviet lives, no "sale" or "handing over" was necessary. If it hadn't been for the soviets then nazi death camps would STILL be operating on Polish soil to this day, as the nazi regime could not have been toppled without them. No matter HOW bad you feel the soviets were they were in Poland's case FAR less murderous than nazi tyranny. Rest assured ALL countries have historical files and documentation that will NEVER be in the public domain.... time to wake up.
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  565. Thank you for that interesting insight into a relatively obscure aspect of the European war.
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  566. So many people talk complete bollocks about "Poland being ignored"... I grew up in the 60s and 70s and as a lot of young lads were then I was interested in WW2. The Polish contribution was WELL known, and mentioned in both film and book, there being no internet back then. Don't mistake the general ignorance and disinterest of younger people for "cancel culture" nonsense. If you want to know about something, go and find out about it and don't wait for someone else to spoonfeed it to you.
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  567. Complete nonsense. Stalin had NOTHING to do with Poland's non-appearance in the London 1946 Victory Parade. Poland was the ONLY nation to receive TWO invites to the 1946 Victory parade, and it was SOLELY through a poisonous bitter mix of POLISH political hatred and hubris that THEY CHOSE not to attend the parade. Instead you choose to believe the BS propaganda of those who enslaved Poland for a further 45 years after WW2.
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  568. You seem oblivious that the UK Govt passed the "1947 Polish Resettlement Act" which granted FULL UK citizenship and residency rights to nearly 300,000 Polish ex service personnel and their families. The UK was the FIRST country to pass such legislation, an act which saved those Poles from torture and death at the hands of Polish communists after WW2. With regard to the non-appearance of Polish forces during the "1946 Victory parade" the problem lay SQUARELY with POLAND. The first invites sent out by the UK Labour Govt of Clement Attlee to ALL the nations who had fought for the Allied cause during WW2 (INCLUDING Poland, USSR & Yugoslavia) were sent out weeks in advance of the parade. The Polish invite in particular was quite understandably delivered to the Polish "Provisional Government of National Unity" ( the "TRJN" or Tymczasowy Rząd Jedności Narodowej) based in Warsaw, which was the OFFICIAL Polish govt as recognised by the international community in the form of the "United Nations", and NOT just by Britain alone, the TRJN was the same govt that it was intended the London based Polish nationalist Govt in exile would become an intrinsic part of, as agreed to by ALL sides at the Yalta conference in Feb 1945.... (although the soviets subsequently saw to it that this never actually happened). This invite sent to Warsaw immediately raised a storm of protest with the Polish nationalist govt in exile based in London who, with some justification, felt they had been sidelined in this matter, their anger was supported by many British MPs and members of the British public. With only days left before the parade was due to take place, and with no reply or even acknowledgement of the British invite from the OFFICIAL Polish TRJN govt in Warsaw, the British govt then belatedly sent out a SECOND INVITE to the Polish Govt in Exile in London, (as well as directly to individual senior Polish service personnel), but as one united group they CHOSE to shun the invites to register their anger and disgust at being treated as "second fiddle" to the Warsaw govt. And the final Ignominy? The Warsaw TRJN govt never answered or even acknowledged the original invite from the UK (as neither did the USSR or Yugoslavia) and never attended the parade either. As you can see the Polish "non appearance" was solely down to a poisonous bitter mix of political hatred (from Warsaw) and hubris (from the London Poles), and NOTHING to do with this imaginary "Poles weren't invited to the parade" BS. As I've described above the Polish nation was actually the ONLY allied nation to receive TWO invites to the parade.
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  569. The figure that was covered by the 1947 UK Polish Resettlement act was actually nearer to 300,000.
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  570. What? You got the countries the wrong way around !!! Poland owes a HUGE debt of gratitude to the British fighters who with France declared war against their conquerors, when absolutely NO-ONE else in the world cared whether Poland and her people existed or not. If it wasn't for the British & French declaration of war in Sept 1939, and the decision by the British to carry on alone in Europe against nazi Germany after the fall of France then Poland would still to this DAY have nazi death camps on its soil and swastikas flying over its cities. Poland owes a HUGE amount to the 460,000 British and 600,000 French citizens who died opposing the tyranny that murdered and raped Poland for 5 years. (As well as Britain sacrificing its entire national wealth and empire in doing so). Their own Polish resolve & efforts has never NOT been recognised. Hence why Britain IMMEDIATELY granted full UK citizenship and residency rights to the 250,000 Poles who continued the fight against nazism in the west and their immediate families, after the US agreed to let the USSR rule over eastern and central Europe post WW2.
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  571. The vast majority elected to stay in the UK where they had kindly been granted UK citizenship, after the heinous theft of Poland by trhe communists after WW2.
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  572. "You" weren't at the "freedom march" because TWO Polish post war governments CHOSE to ignore the TWO invites that were handed to them by the British govt in 1946.
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  573. Another uninformed commenter. Poland was actually the ONLY country to receive TWO invites to the 1946 Victory parade, it was solely a poisonous mix of POLISH political hatred and hubris that saw them IGNORE BOTH invites.
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  574. Instead of talking such bollocks why not go and do some reading. Look I'll even save you the trouble and give you a rundown of reality instead of the nosense you've been told by lefties. With regard to the non-appearance of Polish forces during the "1946 Victory parade" the problem lay SQUARELY with POLAND. The first invites sent out by the UK Labour Govt of Clement Attlee to ALL the nations who had fought for the Allied cause during WW2 (INCLUDING Poland, USSR & Yugoslavia) were sent out weeks in advance of the parade. The Polish invite in particular was quite understandably delivered to the Polish "Provisional Government of National Unity" ( the "TRJN" or Tymczasowy Rząd Jedności Narodowej) based in Warsaw, which was the OFFICIAL Polish govt as recognised by the international community in the form of the "United Nations", and NOT just by Britain alone, the TRJN was the same govt that it was intended the London based Polish nationalist Govt in exile would become an intrinsic part of, as agreed to by ALL sides at the Yalta conference in Feb 1945.... (although the soviets subsequently saw to it that this never actually happened). This invite sent to Warsaw immediately raised a storm of protest with the Polish nationalist govt in exile based in London who, with some justification, felt they had been sidelined in this matter, their anger was supported by many British MPs and members of the British public. With only days left before the parade was due to take place, and with no reply or even acknowledgement of the British invite from the OFFICIAL Polish TRJN govt in Warsaw, the British govt then belatedly sent out a SECOND INVITE to the Polish Govt in Exile in London, (as well as directly to individual senior Polish service personnel), but as one united group they CHOSE to shun the invites to register their anger and disgust at being treated as "second fiddle" to the Warsaw govt. And the final Ignominy? The Warsaw TRJN govt never answered or even acknowledged the original invite from the UK (as neither did the USSR or Yugoslavia) and never attended the parade either. As you can see the Polish "non appearance" was solely down to a poisonous bitter mix of political hatred (from Warsaw) and hubris (from the London Poles), and NOTHING to do with this imaginary "Poles weren't invited to the parade" BS. As I've described above the Polish nation was actually the ONLY allied nation to receive TWO invites to the parade.
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  575.  @TellySavalas-or5hf  Oh removed the blue purely as a sign of protest at their own colonisation by the Netherlands... I though you were suggesting they did it to show support for the ongoing Polish struggle. Maybe a future subject for mark to shine his "research spotlight" onto in future.
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  576. Ignore what the same divisive lefties who ran Poland from 1945 to 1990 now say about how Poles were "forgotten" after WW2. We in the UK have always remembered their contribution to the allied war effort in WW2. As long as I can remember (back to the 1970s) even in my small town there are STILL to this day wreaths laid SPECIFICALLY to Polish service personnel at Polish memorials on the UK's annual remembrance day every year. My local museum even has a complete gallery devoted to Polish airmen who flew from a nearby WW2 airfield. There are PLENTY of devious commenters today who DEARLY wish to cause division and discord between nations... they're to be confronted whenever possible. Best wishes to you from the UK.
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  577.  @virginiawolf6431  "If" France and Britain attacked..... with what? As I've described above Britain especially was in NO state to launch military operations against the western border of nazi Germany in 1939. In reality it was simply hoped that the prospect of having the British and French empires declare war on nazi Germany in Sept 1939 would cause the German leadership to think twice about crossing the Polish border. When the Germans then called our bluff, we were forced to make good on our promise to declare war, and as I said above, if we had not done so, then regardless of any lack of direct help during the German invasion of Poland in 1939, Poland would have disappeared off the world map... potentially for ever. I have NO dislike and mean no disrespect for Poland and her people, in fact I hugely admire their evident national pride and love of their heritage, and wish that we in the UK would take a leaf from your book, but I DO take exception to modern day Polish insults and the repetition of disinformation caused by communist brainwashing of the postwar Polish population against the UK. Best wishes to you.
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  578. How exactly do you suppose that "allied forces" were to be transported to Poland in sept 1939?
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  579. Maybe Britain and France should have instead not have declared war in 1939, like the rest of the world, and left Poland to suffer under the nazi jackboot until this very day? Instead Britain and France rose to the threat, collectively sacrificed 1.1 million of their citizens, squandered their national treasuries & bankrupted themselves as nations and lost their respective empires in the process of toppling nazi tyranny in Europe, and Japanese militarism in Asia?
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  580. Nice to know they're as well remembered by the commonwealth as they are the UK itself.
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  581.  @JK-wh9qr  If you are Polish, your English is better than my non-existent Polish. Well done.
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  582.  @JK-wh9qr  That may have been what you meant to say, but it isn't what you typed in.
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  583.  @sapper82  Of course you're right.... brainfart senior moment there.
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  584. And just to confuse matters further a "tanner" or silver sixpence was actually worth FIVEpence from decimalisation in 1971 !!!
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  585.  @AtheistOrphan  Absolutely Athe. Thanks for the railways info, its been logged for future reference. I DEFINITELY prefer Stones as it sounds better being 17 st rather than 108kg (I am 6ft 2in tall though) !!! Whats not to like? 😁👍
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  586. Leningrad... now there IS a completely different league of urban hardship. Salute to those who fought on through your cities defence in WW2.
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  587. A civilian trawler or other fishing vessel that was commandeered and pressed into naval service as a basic patrol vessel.
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  588. Well done, Good for you... now get that "Jericho Trumpet" fitted on the bonnet !!!!
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  589. The majority of the resultant airworthy aircraft now flying is newly manufactured parts with a small % age of original, non structural equipment left installed.
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  590. It's nice that you wrote your comment to match.
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  591. I remember them well... used to love those mags in the 70s 80s !!!
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  592. Remind me who and where the shooting and killing started in 1939? Oh don't bother..I've just remembered it was the Germans crossing the Polish border without reason on 1st Sept 1939.
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  593. Why declare war on a nation that you have utterly NO way of attacking, and by declaring war on that country further drive it deeper into what was otherwise a temporary alliance with nazi Germany thereby increasing the probability of an unbeatable alliance of the world's largest resource pool with the world's then most powerful military? No MUCH smarter to declare war on ONE of the parties to the nazi-soviet non-aggresion pact (that being nazi Germany who was the clear and present danger to western Europe), and ignore the more distant threat of soviet communism.... stir the pot and leave to simmer, and wait for the inevitable breakdown of that alliance, as happened on 22nd June 1941. Geo-politics is obviously not your strong point.
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  594. While forgetting how NATO forces have moved 1400km EASTWARDS since 1990.... and you say that Russia is "Territorially obsessed"? Hahahaha
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  595. As murderous despotic megalomaniacs go I suppose he was.
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  596.  @hendricstattmann3638  The same type of "time inside" that anyone with wealth or power serves.
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  597.  @neilmckay8649  The difference being after Britain contravened multiple neutralities...for example Norway, Iceland, Iran, once the war was over, the British left and the countries returned to self determination. The nazis had NO such intention.
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  598. I think you'll find that nazi Germany had absolutely NO qualms about violating the neutrality of Czechoslovakia, Poland, Denmark, Norway, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Greece and Yugoslavia.
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  599. I think you'll find that nazi Germany had absolutely NO qualms about violating the neutrality of Czechoslovakia, Poland, Denmark, Norway, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Greece and Yugoslavia.
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  600. Dream on.
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  601. There is a distinct difference when the avowed policies of a national govt are humanist, such as the British Empire's 19th century outlawing of international human slavery, or the US's emancipation of the slaves for example. As opposed to the authoritarian widespread murder & theft carried out by the USSR/Germans/Japanese. ALL societies have crime and criminals. So to say that troops of ANY nation stole/raped/murdered is a "given". Yes small numbers of criminals and psychopaths carried out crimes in ALL armies, including the US/British/Canadian etc, but troops of those nationalities knew that if they were found out by their own side they would be punished. In the USSR or nazi Germany it would get you a promotion. The major difference is when the national govt of a given nationality of soldiers openly excuses their actions, or even actively encourages it, such as with nazi racial policies, or communist governance that gave "carte blanche" to theft, rape and murder.
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  602. Look how the German Weimar republic was driven into utter chaos through the 1920s by outside forces encouraging the leftists in Germany to run riot throughout the country, to the extent that the majority of the German population were crying out for "someone" to save their nation..... Can you guess who the elites then helped into power to act as "saviour"? "Ordo ab chao" or "order from chaos".... also known as "Problem reaction solution".... While I detest communism, the parallels with 1920's Europe and the rise of an EQUALLY hateful counter to the lefty chaos are also alarming.
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  603. Governments need "enemies" to focus and control their populations, if there are no "enemies" they will simply make one.
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  604. Poetic end for an unthinking functionary really.
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  605. He wasn't found in a cavern... He was lying in then open, on rocky broken ground on the surface next to a fence.
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  606. look at the desperate lefties of Europe and their globalist mouthpieces DESPERATELY trying to maintain "perpetual war" to bleed the taxpayers dry by transferring TRILLIONS of tax payer dollars into globalist MIC bank accounts !!! Hahahaha, more "copium" required I think.
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  607. Hahaha the depth of your delusion and detchment from reality is quite funny !!!!
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  608. Please feel free to educate us.
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  609. Why not throw in a meaningless "fascist" epithet in there too?
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  610. Another lefty toad wanting clampdown on free speech.... YOU'RE THE PROBLEM.
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  611. it always has been. Like most other countries.
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  612. "King and Country" Is that the "King and country" that actively legislate and act against the interests of the indigenous? Let our new "friends" eager to get to Britain fight for their new "mother country"... My kids won't be, and that's coming from a family with impeccable military history behind it !!!
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  613. Intelligent men sometimes die accidentally while complete nonentities like yourself continue to exist, there's simply no justice in life is there?
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  614. Correct, but please don't make the mistake that Starmer and his bunch of Liebour cronies are any better.
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  615. Where's that draught coming from? Oh of course !!! IT's the ENDLESS hot air coming out of this BS channel.
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  616. Hahahahaa.... nonsense.
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  617. When is the next season coming out? Where can I buy the merchandise? I love this globalist production and the scriptwriters !!! They're SO inventive !!!!
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  618. "Poland" isn't preparing for war.... the corporate globalist financed puppet politicians who have like a fungus infected its parliament, just as they have across the rest of the western world, are preparing to sent the rest of the Polish population to war. An important distinction.
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  619. Please tell me where exactly the border of the east/west "spheres of influence" in Europe has moved over the last 30 years... Oh thats right 1000 miles EASTWARDS !!! All the kids on here are completely ignorant of the 40 years of US military interventions and CIA topplings of sovereign governments across Asia, Africa and south and central America if they didn't fit in with what the US said.
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  620. Lies, damned lies, and wehraboo posters on YT comments sections. Why have you chosen to "cherry pick" your figures from different sources, was it to show the RAF at its strongest, and the Luftwaffe at its weakest? Why have you chosen to represent RAF defensive strength to include bomber and coastal command? They were NOT defending and took NO part in the defensive airwar over England in 1940. Lets look at some official figures shall we? AIR 40/1207 - Air Ministry: Periodical Returns, Intelligence Summaries and Bulletins. Dated 10th July 1940 (officially the first day of the battle of Britain). Total fighter command returns 645 aircraft to include all Spitfire / Hurricane / Blenheim / Defiants. That is 645 serviceable fighter aircraft to DEFEND the whole of Britain, NOT the 1963 you try to suggest which included the likes of defensively useless types such as Battles, Hampdens, Wellingtons & Whitleys. Facing the 645 fighters of RAF Fighter Command were the assembled forces of Luftflottes 2, 3 & 5. As you may imagine, Luftwaffe records from 1940 are piecemeal and hard to correlate, but a fair aggregation of serviceable aircraft (Which does NOT include the Do 18s / FW 200s etc of the Küstenfliegers or Ju52s etc of KG zbV1 or other assorted offensive units stationed in Germany / Poland) as of July / August 1940 are as follows. Single-engined fighters 787 Twin-engined fighters 219 Night fighters 63 Fighter-bombers 119 Dive-bombers 294 Twin-engined bombers 960 Four-engined bombers 7 Long-range reconaissance aircraft 185 Total Offensive A/C available in France the Low Countries, and Scandinavia 2,634 Which gives an offensive luftwaffe strength (2634) to defensive RAF strength (645) ratio of 4.08 luftwaffe aircraft to every 1 RAF fighter. Save your slanted, biased nonsense for those who can't read facts for themselves.
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  621. You respect it ... but he's stupid? Hmmm think there's only one stupid person there... and its NOT Djokovic.
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  622. So instead of addressing the lefty British "stazi" that now poses as "bobbies" you prefer to make an attack on someone standing upto the bullies? You're dirt... pure and simple.
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  623. Glad you realise that Tomasz, our own UK parliament is completely filled with globalist puppets doing their masters bidding. Strength to Poland..... the globalists are moving.
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  624. WHAT !!! Are these two men saying that the globalist media outlets have lied and schemed to farm the deepest fears and heartbreak of the families involved for their own viewing figures and profits??? I refuse to believe that globalist MSM could be so heartless and manipulative !!!! /sarcasm
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  625. "Hitler's Dark Methods of Manipulation" Where today's globalists such as the W.E.F take ther lead from.
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  626.  @MaegnasMw  Whats the excuse for the other countries of the west?
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  627. 7.4% of Fighter command was Polish, a small but important contribution.
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  628. The nazis captured a number of working British army gun ranging radar sets at Dunkirk and were NOT impressed by that technology (which was effectively the same as Britain's initial "chain home low" radar screen), BUT they didn't appreciate that the 350ft high radar antennae of the larger "chain home" system along Britain's coastline were just the visible part of a complete air defence system, that collected, filtered and disseminated the data at a close to "real time" rate to the defending RAF fighter squadrons.
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  629. What makes you say that? It is the very epitome of a "last stand". Who else in the world was still opposing the nazis at that time? Not the USSR, nor the USA, there was no one. The British empire alone stood against nazism from June 1940 until July 1941.
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  630.  @rosesprog1722  I see you've failed to provide ANY sources to back up your own assertion, and yet expect me to provide some to back up mine. You can read any number of historical or contemporary sources which detail the military events of 1939-41. I've read many over the last few decades and have not come across a single one that makes the same assertion that you're making here in YT.
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  631. Remember the old adage..."If at first you don't succeed, deny all evidence that you ever attempted it in the first place".
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  632. It never went further? Oh so Germany stripping itself of canal and river barges to be converted to provide makeshift landing craft, then wiping out the creme of its air force and assembling 13 divisions on the north coast of France (because that was all they believed they could transport across the channel due to their wrecked navy) was all imaginary was it?
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  633. Not during the summer of 1940 you weren't.
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  634. They are Ex-Spanish air force Hispano Buchon HA1112's... Licence built Bf-109s ironically powered by RR Merlin engines. The "Heinkels" are also Ex-Spanish air force CASA 2.111's again powered by RR Merlin engines.
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  635. Much like Germany, supplied with VAST quantities of raw materials from Sweden, Finland, Soviet Union and Romania,Italy & Spain and with 80% of continental Europe under its control. No country is self sufficient, so what's your point exactly?
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  636.  @youtrickube1475  If you post similar messages on videos covering German bombers, then forgive my trolling. If you just type biased rubbish then expect to get trolled in return.
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  637.  @vespa2901  Britain provoked the war? What by forcing Germany to invade Austria, Czechoslovakia and Poland? Wow!!! we Brits are better than I first believed !!!! God sake lad, get real.
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  638. Just near where I live. Wish they were still based there... instead of those bloody k~r~a~u~t Grob trainers.
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  639.  @youraveragescotsman7119  The assaulting forces of the luftwaffe outnumbered the defending forces of RAF fighter command by over FOUR to ONE. 2654 attacking luftwaffe aircraft Versus 654 RAF fighters.
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  640. Don't forget, while the wonderful Hurricane was more numerous and consequently had the higher "kill tally", without the Spitfires there to handle the majority of the fighter on fighter encounters, the hurricanes would have been unable to repel the luftwaffe alone.
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  641. So sore about the legendary Spitfire... remembered long after the P51 has largely been forgotten.
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  642. Nice potted history Ben, thanks for that.
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  643. The truth is that British radar at that stage of the war WAS inferior to German radar sets, but what WASN'T inferior was the entire British system of data collection, filtering and redistribution which backed up our inferior radar sets, and which was the baseplate for the British victory in the Battle of Britain.
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  644. He was treated shabbily indeed in being shuffled out to the US immediately after the battle of Britain and being denied the expected rank of Marshal of the Royal Air Force, but he wasn't entirely unrewarded, having been raised to various Royal orders of nobility including Knight Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order, Companion of the Order of St Michael and St George, and being made a Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the Bath (in Oct 1940) as well as being elevated to the peerage, as Baron Dowding of Bentley Priory on 2 June 1943.
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  645. To ease your sadness, while Dowding was indeed treated very shabbily and denied his deserved credit for his foresight, resolve and command during the battle of Britain, he was honoured in various ways. Companion of the Most Distinguished Order of St Michael and St George in 1919 Knight Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order in 1937 Knight Grand Cross of the order of the Bath in 1940 and was elevated to the peerage as Baron Dowding of Bentley Priory in 1943 Meanwhile if there is a god, he may indeed "work in mysterious ways", and also have a cruel sense of humour, as he issued one of the major players in Dowding's downfall, that is Trafford Leigh-Mallory, with his own personal set of "big wings" in 1944.
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  646. My word... your post is a veritable treasure, a true shaft of light through the continual murk of internet "white noise" as the sands of time run endlessly on. Thank you for sharing that intimate glimpse into the personality of the great man himself. While I can't share your stepfather's viewpoint on the spritualism subject, my wife has read all four of his written works on the matter and greatly values his insight. It is VERY telling that on the internet where tempers are easily frayed and historical personalities seem to invariably polarise opinion and invite venom from a large proportion of commenters that your stepfather is in a very tiny minority of people who it seems garner universal respect. It must give you some degree of comfort to see that his memory is to this day still held in the highest regard by the general public. Best wishes.
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  647.  @stephenarling1667  Programmed , clueless, factless Indian comment. Best left ignored Stephen.
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  648. His postwar spiritual books were... "Many Mansions", "God's Magic", "The Dark Star" & "Lychgate"
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  649. And we're ALL hugely proud and thankful for his leadership.
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  650. Come to the "world of PC" with its "ad blocking" gorgeousness.
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  651. Boo-Hoo.... Germans got back what they started.... go search "Harris wind & whirlwind"
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  652. You forgot to mention the +100 London civilians killed as "collateral damage" during luftwaffe attacks on RAF Kenley, Biggin Hill and Croydon during August 1940, all of which were within the boundary of "Greater London". Also the retaliatory attacks carried out by the RAF against Berlin on the 24th August 1940 were "aimed" at railyards in the east of the city, though as with the luftwaffe attacks on the London airfields, a number of Berlin civilians were killed.
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  653. "Men are such misogynists" Wow, world class generalisation there, worthy of Joseph Goebbels himself !!!
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  654.  @reneeholoviak7605  For future reference, click on the 3 dots over to the right of your first comment and click on "edit".
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  655.  @NASTEfilms  Ewan McGregor's brother was a modern day RAF tornado pilot (he may still be, I'm not sure), it's why they let him take the old warbird up, that "prop" plane is a supermarine Spitfire, they won't let just anybody fly such rare aircraft !!! All the best.
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  656. Why does it ALWAYS have to be about the Poles? What about all the other Pilots? We honour the Polish pilots, but get sick of their progeny telling Britain how to celebrate its battles.
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  657. Ahem !!! "Nearly 200" ??? I think you need to check your figures, Jeff. The RAF records in the UK National Archives show just 9 US born pilots took part in the battle of Britain. We in Britain continue to honour their memories as brave and gallant INDIVIDUALS, who paid their own way to the UK and fought for what they believed was right, while the US itself sat on the side lines profiteering, and bleeding her global competitor, the British Empire, dry, as she fought on alone in a Europe overrun by totalitarian evil.
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  658. And strangely not a word from these faux "Pole lovers" regarding the Czechoslovakian ace, Josef František, who scored a full 30% of 303 squadron's kill tally by himself.
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  659. Its not surprising with the establishment and MSM's CONSTANT harping on about "mental elf" that the younger generations have been reduced to simpering kitten strokers. For example, its laughable, the number of vids where comments contain stuff like "oh I couldn't help but "tear up" at that point". GET A FECKING GRIP !!! For what its worth, I've got 2 kids who are happy, self possessed, understand what decorum means, can take knocks without breaking down and seeking the comfort of a teddy bear, and who roll their eyes and move on when the "mental elf" inevitably turns up on the telly or the internet. There are some of them still out there.
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  660. We never have a chance to..... its all you hear about nowadays. The 80% of Fighter command pilots that were British born are the ones who are being forgotten.
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  661.  @darekdarecki1234  I'm WELL aware of all what you've entered. I'm well read on my history, I regularly attend our local remembrance day service, and can vouch that EVERY single year, there are wreaths and tributes given to the Polish servicemen who escaped your country. They were ALWAYS well attended by Polish vets as well (Though obviously that number has dwindled, with only descendents attending now). I don't for one minute deny the valiant service rendered by Poles (and other nationalities) in all of the armed services. But without question the majority of the success during the battle of Britain was achieved by Great Britain and her people. What use would Polish (& other) pilots have been if we were still flying standing patrols in Hawker Harts and Gloster Gladiators, instead of the best aircraft in the air at that time, all controlled and directed by the ONLY real time air defence system then in existence? Without all that British expenditure, foresight and planning on top of the British born pilots that then constituted 75% of Fighter Command, we would have lost the Battle of Britain, and then had to rely on the Royal Navy alone for our nation's defence.
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  662. Why does Poland need special mention? Why not the Czechs, Australians, Canadians and South Africans too?
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  663. We could, but the spineless globalist puppets that pretend to be the UK government would never stand for it. They'd prefer to see the imperial war museum closed down and converted into an "illegal immigrant legal advice drop in centre."
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  664. I sent Group Captain John A Hemingway DFC, AE who's now living in a nursing home in Dublin a few quid for a pint earlier this year.... in lieu of the pint I'd have bought him If I'd ever have had the good fortune to have met him in person, just a pity I couldn't have met him, shook his hand and thanked him personally for all he and his colleagues did for world democracy.
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  665. We thank you father, his crew, and all the USAAF who eventually came to help us fight back the tide of totalitarianism. Such a pity that the global lefties are now taking over.
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  666. Nice to hear an American not attacking the UK and instead celebrating the joint effort the ordinary citizens of our two countries combined to make.
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  667. Why do you believe he is "ignored"? Has Mr Hemingway been seeking publicity from his Dublin nursing home?
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  668.  @legokingtm9462  No, its spelled "realist".
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  669. You've never lived through it and as long as they weren't coming down directly on you, there is a HUGE amount of excitement and adrenalin.
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  670. Not just Londoners.
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  671.  @jarikinnunen1718  And you should be rightfully proud of Finland's fight during the winter war!!! The world knows that you performed like legends.... defending on your home ground. Defending against a headless army in a merciless landscape that your people have thrived in for millenia, is a whole different kettle of fish from launching an assault against a heavily defended frontier in a mid European urban environment. Britain was not primarily a land power, we did what was achievable with our Navy and air force.
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  672. So Britain whose army in Sept 1939 numbered 225,000 (& was spread out across her vast empire) was going to kick the arses of both Germany (army in 1939 1.7 million) and the USSR (army in 1939 1.7 million rising quickly to approx 10 million) was it?
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  673. Probably a lot better than living in the "Stabistan" that the globalist puppets in parliament and county hall have tunred it into over the last 20-30 years.
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  674. The Americans have EVERY RIGHT to complain about attacks on their civil liberties because of a flu virus.....
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  675. Bloody heroes, all of 'em !!! Respects to his memory.
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  676.  @jetsons101  All the political labels are meaningless "smoke and mirrors" now. The only division worth arguing about is the super rich Vs the rest of the world.
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  677. Class system is alive, well and kicking us harder every day.
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  678. None for me, but then I have ublock origin installed.
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  679. A lot of people had nothing.... the future was going to be so much brighter, and for most it was !!! Now we're swamped with material flim flam, and realise that a house full of techie tat does NOT a happy family make.
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  680. Well that or just string up the corporate globalists who are intent on destroying western civilisation.
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  681. I'm questioning why you only ever want the poles mentioned? What about the Czechs, Canadians, Australians, South Africans etc?
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  682. The shithole of modern globalist infected London is about as far removed from what the young men of the RAF were fighting for in 1940.
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  683. Absolutely Sid.
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  684. but but but but but they weren't .50 cals (the yanks would whine)
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  685. I thought I'd create a simple "visual aid" in order to assist people learning about the history of the battle of Britain. There is much ongoing debate about the nationalities and proportions of RAF fighter pilots who took part in the battle, with occasionally a furtive aspect which attempts to portray the battle as a victory of "mostly foreign pilots". Below is a graphical representation of the proportion of pilot nationalities serving within RAF Fighter Command during the summer of 1940. Each flag is roughly equivalent to 30 pilots, The numbers after each nation are the ACTUAL number of aircrew from that country, and the approximate percentage of RAF Fighter Command's establishment in the summer of 1940 that they represented. The figures are taken from the RAF records of the awards of the highly coveted "Battle of Britain clasp" to the British 1939-45 Campaign Star. Which was SCRUPULOUSLY only awarded to RAF & Fleet Air Arm aircrew who flew at least one active sortie in the UK in any RAF fighter aircraft between 10th July 1940 and 31st Oct 1940. 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 UK (2342) (80%) 🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱 Poland (145) (5%) 🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿 New Zealand (127) (4%) 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦 Canada (112) (4%) (1940 flag emoji not available) 🇨🇿🇨🇿🇨🇿 Czechoslovakia (88) (3%) 🇦🇺 Australia (32) (1%) 🇧🇪 Belgium (28) (1%) 🇿🇦 S. Africa (25) (1%) (1940 flag emoji not available) 🇺🇳 Other nations (France (13), R o Ireland (10), USA (9), Rhodesia (3), Newfoundland (1), Jamaica (1), Barbados (1)) (1%) (And just to preempt any wandering idiot lefty "Identity warriors" from protesting about "The lack of credit given to the black pilots who fought in the battle of Britain"... the pilots from South Africa, Rhodesia & the Caribbean were all of white descent).
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  686. IN summer 1940 the defence of Britain was indeed carried out by +90% British troops, with the Empire mostly being a vocal supporter from the colonies. That was soon to change though.
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  687. No we'd survived 18 months alone and had already started to deliver plane loads of HE to awaiting german civilians right through 1941, Our performance during the battle of Britain had already robbed the Luftwaffe of the creme of its prewar cadre, and our navy had drawn the teeth of the Kriegsmarine's surface fleet, all without any direct US military intervention.
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  688. Over 1 third of all kills? Don't talk such BS. Also where do you get the rubbish about "not being allowed to join the victory march?
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  689. The empire wasn't being threatened during this battle, it was the lone small country of Great Britain that was being physically attacked, thought it was faithfully served by its empire's troops, and for which the more educated amongst us are still thankful.
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  690. You think thats just Britain? Oh dear.
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  691.  @Bullet-Tooth-Tony-  No problem at all Tony, imitation is the highest form of flattery!!! I'm happy that it's helping to counter some of the nonsense spoken with relation to the battle. Please use it anywhere you feel it will help inform those who are learning about history, or where the Brit haters are pissing on the efforts and sacrifices our country made during WW2.
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  692. "Equal in strength" my foot. 645 RAF Fighters defending against 2700 German aircraft in July 1940. Also it very much WAS a "last stand". Who else in the world was then opposing nazism.... please send your answer on the back of a postage stamp.
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  693. "they did not fulfill the alliance, if they had done it on the second front". I've detailed the real world situation that faced Britain in Sept 1939, and you and your uninformed modern Poles expect some dream western offensive. How was that to be mounted in 6 short weeks with an unmobilised army scattered across the globe? Please explain? If you say nothing else please provide that one answer. Why are you not attacking France who was in a FAR stronger position to support Poland with an offensive launched against Germany with 94, yes 94 divisions on Germany's western border, but did almost completely NOTHING (The "Saar" offensive? Pffff). You're full of infantile bitterness, but without ANY clue of the reality.
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  694.  @brydzo4052  No, you've made statements repeating your groundless "betrayal" charge, I'd like to know what Britain could have done? And as yet, you like every other clueless Pole has not provided any concrete strategy that Britain could have taken in the circumstances as they were.... just spouting more bitterness at being devoured by tyrants and blaming it on someone else.
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  695. No.
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  696.  @ejmproductions8198  So saving the FINAL foothold in the WHOLE of Europe (as well as the hub of the global British empire) was less important than losing the last foothold on the continent? Well its an opinion, a poorly conceived one, but an opinion nonetheless. After the nazis failed to "schmooze" Britain out of the war, it then attacked by sea and air with the intention of knocking it out of the war, what happened to that plan? Oh that's right, it failed, and Britain continued the fight. I.E The Germans lost the battle intended to eliminate Britain as a "base for future operations". You need to brush up on some history.... Britain was "fighting one country".... Was it? Seems you've forgotten that Britain was also kicking the Italian's arses in North Africa at the very same time. Who else was Germany attacking in the summer of 1940? Er....NO-ONE !!!! The nazis in the summer of 1940 were 100% poised in NW Europe to attack Great Britain ALONE by land, sea & air, meanwhile Britain & its commonwealth had its forces defending a world wide empire, in Africa, the Middle East, and SE Asia. You appear to be the same sort of biased, uninformed commenter who would opine that "it was not just Britain", but also its empire and the US which won the battle of Britain against "poor little ol' Germany", while simultaneously completely ignoring the fact that the nazis (who were in summer 1940 by FAR the largest military in Western Europe and arguably the most capable in the world) had their Italian allies, and were supplied with MILLIONS of tons of raw and finished war materiel, food and fuel from their "non-aggression pact" partner the USSR, as well as Finland, Sweden, Romania & the raped economies of her European conquests. As much as you try, you CAN'T diminish the importance of Britain's STRATEGIC triumph in the summer of 1940. Maybe in future just type "I hate Britain"... instead of giving comment on a subject you seem to have limited understanding of. Its strange we've come to this impasse as I agreed with your initial theoretical appraisal of the European situation in 1940.
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  697.  @ejmproductions8198  I agree with your first post's appraisal but in what way was the battle of Britain NOT a victory of MAJOR strategic importance? Britain continues to oppose Germany, and without us as "Airstrip 1" the US was not going to enter the war anytime soon. Battle of Britain, not the largest loss of life by any means but of PIVOTAL importance to future events. It seems you've totally misconstrued my earlier reply.
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  698. One of the world's greatest land powers, faces off against the world's greatest sea power, and it was all decided in the air. 23 miles of water would never mean so much again !!!
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  699. As well as providing a safe refuge for all those European pilots, You forgot to thank the >80% of Fighter Command pilots who were British born, and the Spitfires, Hurricanes and world beating command and control systems that Britain designed and paid for that enabled ALL the pilots of Fighter Command to humiliate the luftwaffe.
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  700. An its relation to the Battle of Britain is?
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  701.  @mikecain6947  The presence of allied pilots does NOT alter the fact that Britain ALONE was subject to the full weight of attack by the luftwaffe. The two things are different... no-one is denying the presence, valour and honour of commonwealth pilots who flew, and in many cases, died in defence of "the mother country" as Britain was then thought of, or the pilots from nations already conquered by the nazis, who we gave refuge to, and enabled them to continue their struggle against our common oppressors. The fact of the matter is that over 80% of pilots in RAF Fighter Command were of British birth, whereas it seems to me that 80% of comments regarding pilots in YT comments are about the 20% of non British pilots. I'm just stating facts and not looking to denigrate the efforts of others.
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  702. Hey Mike, I'm eager for you to tell me all about the bombing raids on Ottawa, Delhi and Canberra.... oh hang on... they weren't attacked were they? The ONLY country being subjected to the full might of the luftwaffe in the summer of 1940 was Great Britain, wasn't it?
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  703. Absolutely, What totalitarianism failed to achieve with Aircraft tanks & ships, is now being put into place with corruption, backhanders, and national governments bought and paid for by multinational corporations.
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  704. You say "you're losing your country"...Do you think Germany and the rest of Europe are NOT losing theirs? As the brown tide of globalist sponsored immigration is pumped into ALL the countries of Europe. I hope you like mocha, cause that's the future the elite plan for us (but strangely enough not Switzerland.... Never see hordes of "refugees" crossing over the border into Switzerland, Why is that?)
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  705. Let me guess, "thick" runs in your family doesn't it?
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  706. On 7th Sept when the first big raid hit London, the British were expecting yet another day of raids directed at its airfields, and consequently the commander of 11 group (AVM Keith Park) had positioned his squadrons to defend against those expected attacks. When the mass of Luftwaffe aircraft then did not disperse across SE England, but forged ahead en masse towards London, the RAF defenders were caught off guard. Even after this date, it was still difficult to parry a concerted thrust of hundreds of German bombers away from the capital (though it was achieved on a few occasions), on top of this the commander of 12 group, Trafford Leigh Mallory, insisted on using his pet idea of "big wings" which entailed the forming up a group of upto 5 squadrons to tear into the German bomber formations "en masse", but these "big wings" took too long to form up in which time the luftwaffe was already over the skies of London.
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  707. All sides overclaimed during aerial combat, its perfectly natural that in the chaos of dogfighting mutliple pilots will fire at an enemy plane that crashes, and each claim the kill, or make claims for kills where they victim actually manages to fly back to friendly territory. It's not particular to the UK.
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  708.  @MarkHarrison733  No they didn't Mark.... they began bombing German naval units.... and even in doing so refrained from bombing them while they were in port for fear of hitting innocent civilians. Instead they attacked them as sea off the North Sea coast of Germany, and also did so in broad daylight so as not to mistakenly bomb neutral shipping in the area, that humane choice meant that the RAF bombers incurred heavy losses, such was the original British intention of avoiding civilian casualties. It was something the Germans didn't worry about so much, which is why they killed the first British civilian casualty in WW2 during their bombing of Britain on 16th March 1940 approximately 8 weeks before the first British bombing of the German mainland, the poor innocent British civilian killed on 14th March 1940 was Mr James Isbister killed by German bombing in the Orkneys.
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  709. What was the German bombing of Britain between 13th Nov 1939 and 11th May 1940 in response to?
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  710. Just the UK? Not really. Globalists want the world to be populated by a mocha coloured, homogenised "one world population" where nations will one day be a thing of the past, a real "one size fits nobody" type of world, glad I won't be here to see it.
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  711. Where exactly does the state ordered holocaust fit into the "poor victim Germany" narrative?
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  712. Check the RAF Battle of Britain "roll of Honour" and you'll see that +80% of RAF Fighter Command pilots during the battle were specifically of Britsh birth, not commonwealth or empire.
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  713. "we could have crushed that little pitty island to smithereens" ...... Delusional dreams Sven.
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  714. What about the other 70 units from RAF Fighter Command, Coastal Command and the Fleet Air Arm?
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  715. Same here in Britain. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto yourself"
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  716. The Globalists who control state schools do not teach a widely based national history curriculum anymore, instead they cherry pick the worst aspects and twist the rest to undermine national pride. Which will in the next 10-20 years make it all the simpler to remove the facade of national sovereignties and instead install the proto one world government thats on the cards for us all. I do wonder if the "masses" will ever wake upto that fact....
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  717. Never a truer word spoken.
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  718. The "Lone, lost German bomber" is a "red herring". Since the middle of July 1940 the luftwaffe had been repeatedly attacking RAF Fighter Command sector airfields in the outskirts of London. For weeks prior to the "lone German bomber jettisoning its bomb load over south London", HUNDREDS of British civilians had been killed and seriously injured by the raids on those London based Sector airfields. The RAF attack on Berlin on 23rd August 1940 was ostensibly targetted at the Klingenburg power station and Templehof airport, BOTH valid military targets, but they highlighted to the Germans that poorly directed attacks on military targets also kill many innocent civilians.
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  719. Because you refused to personally finance the rebuilding of the BMW aero engines facilities in Germany, as well as the cost of retraining all the associated engineers and artisans solely for the sake of this film. How selfish of you !!!!
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  720. You never lived through the japanese occupation did you Landak? Ask some of your elders who did what they think of the Japanese.
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  721. Do shut up Peter you idiot.... the 1969 film Battle of Britain contains COPIOUS amounts of scenes devoted solely to the Polish pilots. Go take your uninformed divisive drivel elsewhere......
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  722. Nurse!!! NURSE !!!!
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  723. What are you blithering about?
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  724. First loss for the big boy is ALWAYS sweet.
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  725. The Poles actually passed on their information first to the French (with whom the Polish had enjoyed close diplomatic ties for many years), and only aftet the fall of France did Britain receive the Polish foundation for the British cracking of wartime German encryption.
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  726. Let me correct you. Polish decryption efforts had from 1936 onwards cracked German luftwaffe & army 3 rotor enigma. They never broke into German kriegsmarine enigma at all due to its extra security procedures. Finally in early 1939 the German army and air force changed their encoding procedures and brought to a close the Polish decryption effort, as they were not able to break back into German radio traffic before their country was conquered. The fruits of the Polish efforts were transferred first to France, and finally to Britain after the fall of France, where it provided the foundation for the ongoing mainly British effort to decrypt nearly all of Germany's radio traffic. I'd be interested to know where you've read that the Soviets broke into enigma, I've personally never read so much as a word on Soviet decryption efforts, but I am aware that the west were providing the Soviets with intelligence they had gleaned from Bletchley park, such as warning them about the onset of Operation "Barbarossa" & "Citadel" for instance.
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  727. I feel more sorry for the likes of Turing's peers. People like Bille Tutte, Gordon Welchman, Arne Buerling, Tommy Flowers & Harry Hinsley and MANY others, who have been consigned to the wastebin of history due to none of them being "persecuted homosexuals".
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  728.  @jannerkev  The first "bomba" was designed by the Polish cryptographer Marian Rejewski pre-war, Turing took his creation and developed it further, just as Charles Wynn-Williams took Turing's bombe design and expanded it to deal with the vital kriegsmarine 4 rotor "shark" cypher, which Turing's bombe could only decypher VERY slowly meaning that any information gleaned was most likely of no practical use. Who in the general public has ever heard of Marian Rejewski or Charles Wynn-Williams? The whole of the British decryption efforts were a huge team effort. Turing was a giant in the company of other giants, (Gordon Welchman, Bill Tutte, Tommy Flowers, Arne Beurling amongst others), but it is Turing's homosexuality that has been used by the "identity politics" lefties of today to elevate him to the status of a demi god, whilst simultaneously devaluing the contributions of the many others who also made equally vital contributions.
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  729. What? Betrayed on a regular basis as each additional layer of German procedure and security was in turn comprimised by British intelligence?
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  730.  @GreatPolishWingedHussars  I ask contemporary Poles within YT comments these questions below repeatedly and have NEVER received a straight answer. Maybe YOU can help? 1. In Sept 1939, what exactly could Britain's peacetime, unmobilised army of 225,000 (large parts of which was also spread across her empire) do to support Poland in the 6 weeks it took the combined 3.3 million troops of the German and Soviet armies to devour it? 2. In February 1945 the USSR promised to hold free & open elections post-war in Poland and then when the time came said "no". Why is there no tidal wave of anger at the Soviet/Russians for their treachery from Poland nowadays? 3. What do modern day Poles suggest could have been done to evict the +10 million strong Red army ensconced in Eastern Europe in 1945 and restore Poland's much deserved democracy to its people? 4. Were the western allies meant to launch a potential nuclear WW3 in central Europe to achieve this? Great Britain & France had spent 20 years bending over backwards to avoid a repeat of the carnage of WW1, and were consequently poorly prepared to confront a Germany that had spent 7 years from 1933 onwards rearming and preparing for war at a ferocious rate. Britain being FAR more a maritime world power immediately imposed a North sea blockade to cut Germany's economic trade (A strategy btw which had virtually strangled Germany out of WW1), and started to move its small contingent of troops across the channel to France. The French army which was FAR larger than Britain's, and superbly placed to take offensive action with its +160 divisions on the French mainland, did almost NOTHING. France had long standing economic, political and military treaties with Poland since the early 1920's, as opposed to Britain (whose only previous treaties with Poland were at the time of the Napoleonic wars) who had only recently guaranteed Poland's borders during August 1939, and yet strangely we NEVER hear any criticism of France during these continually published Brit-hating videos.
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  731. Coming from the "blood and guts" "We won everything" yanks, thats one of the best I've heard this year !!!
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  732. Dear oh dear.... Do you think it would be "better" to have extermination camps in the Pennines and Scottish highlands? Mass burial pits outside of Leicester, Hull, Norwich, Bristol and 50 other British towns and cities? together with mass deportations of all young men between the ages of 16 and 40 to Germany to provide slave labour for German industry? Sounds peachy.
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  733.  @johnhudghton2287  The idea was not fully thought out as there was no way for the tank drivers to see to be able to navigate around any obstacles on the sea bed, They were able to submerge upto just over 50ft of water, and after the cancellation of operation sealion, the 147 tanks that had been so converted were used the following year during the opening phase of operation barbarossa, assisting in the crossing of the River Bug as part of army group south.
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  734. If that was the case then the UK would not have had to sacrifice 450,000 of its citizens fighting to overthrow the regime that enslaved Poland for 5.5 years.
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  735. If you like exetermination camps and forced deportations, maybe....
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  736. Forget labels such as "nazis" and "commies"... they're last century and make you sound a bit thick... they're just globalist thieves, crooks and despots of NO political persuasion.
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  737.  @gaelicreaction1049  Even MORE "pie in the sky" than "Seelöwe" itself..... Were the RN meant to get out deck chairs and spectate on proceedings?
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  738.  @dovetonsturdee7033  My thoughts are that TV is becoming SO unwatchable nowadays (though I stopped watching it YEARS ago) that even the lowest forms of life that frequent it are now doing the old "rats leaving the sinking ship"....... unfortunately they're now swarming onto YT. Still, that means plenty more fodder for us to "tag team" over the forthcoming years. Keep up the good work.
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  739. You lost girl... move on.
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  740. But there would be death camps in the Peninnes and Scottish Highlands, and all males over the age of 18 deported to be slaved to death in Reich armaments factories... sounds just PEACHY !!!!
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  741. What "WMD" are they exactly?
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  742.  @jameshannagan4256  I'm from Liverpool UK, but I have relatives living in Saskatchewan (who we knew nothing about, but I discovered during family history research). One of them was Herbert Poland who was killed whilst driving a sherman as part of the Canadian 28th armoured regiment during "Operation Totalise" during the Normandy breakout. There are still plenty of us Brits who value the Commonwealth countries and the men, women and materiel they provided in the combined fight to overthrow tyranny. All the best James.
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  743.  @muttley7196  A good starting point Muttley for some further reading ideas to search "Sandhurst 1974 operation sea lion wargame". There's lots of good reading to be had out there. Also don't underestimate the British army in late summer 1940, they had a number of reasonably equipped divisions in the south east, from August onwards, the primary one being the Canadian 1st infantry division which was at FULL strength positioned to the south of London, and Britain already had the capacity to initiate the reinforcing of its land forces in North Africa with its "AP" and "WS" (Winston Specials) convoys during the battle of Britain such was its all out drive to make good its catastrophic heavy equipment losses on the continent. Good reading, All the best.
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  744. "Eric Brown"... bit of a humdrum sounding name.....maybe an insurance clerk, or a librarian, and yet it belonged to a man, a catalogue of whose life makes almost unbelievable reading, but that said he was still a modest man who also happened to be the quintessential cool, professional, understated, world renowned expert on all things regarding practical aeronautics. Good grief!!! We thank God that such a man lived amongst us !!! The greatest of respects to your memory "Winkle" !!! (Though it would do him even more honour if the poster could get the service he was a part of correct!!!)
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  745. Much the same as an American production would do.
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  746.  @neo-YoutubeStoleMyHandle  Did you use the word "give"? tut tut tut....such lies. What you meant to say was "the supplies & credit that were charged at extortionate rates to countries that were busy fighting the evils of nazism while the US sat back and profiteered".
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  747. Took an acorn and turned it into a mighty oak.
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  748. Here are some reading primers to set you off on your own research.... "Typex".... "Combined Cipher Machine" and "SIGABA".
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  749. Stupidly they've missed out the all important "amphibious" word, as if it was superfluous to the meaning of the sentence.
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  750.  @jimkluska253  Were those Jupiter's in Italy and Turkey replaced with more modern missiles? No they weren't... they were completely withdrawn. Why is it Americans can NEVER just admit they were outplayed?
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  751. Turkey AND Italy.
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  752.  @mikealvord55  You just stick to your comfortable, incomplete story.
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  753. No he was NOT onboard at the time of her sinking.
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  754. Read the info under the video, then get your wallet out.
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  755. The biggest weapon in the German navy's arsenal in its Atlantic battle with the Royal Navy in early WW2 was in fact the vast expanse of the North Atlantic itself, in the era before satellites, "over the horizon" radar and comprehensive long range air coverage. Once the British technological effort started to "shrink" that vast expanse, the German "cupboard" was surprisingly bare.
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  756. No nothing to do with that at all. The abandoned rescues of the sailors due to a periscope alert. It was a matter of sound self preservation in hostile waters. HMS Rodney ceased firing shortly after Bismarck ceased fire. The aim of the engagement was to sink Bismarck, not to save the crew. The fact that 111 Survivors were rescued was a testament to the honour of the Royal Navy. Compare the actions of the RN after the sinking of Bismarck to those of the kriegsmarine who when 2 of their battleships sunk the Royal Navy carrier HMS Glorious and her 2 escorting destroyers on 8th June 1940, completely abandoned over 1600 RN sailors to their deaths in the North sea, for no reason at all.
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  757. The fact the "one ship" was running away from action in the 41,000,000 sq mile North Atlantic in the era before "over the horizon" radars, satellites, GPS and even comprehensive air cover gave her a good chance of operating without being caught, as Scharnhorst and Gneisenau had earlier done for 2 months.
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  758. Bismarck was SO "uber" that the crew's scuttling efforts failed, and it required 4 torpedoes from HMS Dorsetshire to finally put her under.
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  759. Comedy Gold... thanks for the laugh.
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  760. Do you have a problem with the truth?
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  761. Get your wallet out and pay for the second half as it says in the info beneath the video.... or go find a completely free documentary on the subject on YT.
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  762. I think you're getting mixed up with Enid Blyton, she discovered the wreck of the Hesperus and found that the captain's daughter was still tied to the mast.
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  763. I suppose the earth is flat in your reality as well.
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  764. Who did? The German's million to one hit on HMS Hood? Yes indeed.
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  765. Why should one minor ship be mentioned in particular? Why not the other members of the destroyer flotilla that she was a part of? They were HMS Cossack Maori, Sikh and Zulu?
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  766. Strange but when I watch this with my ad blocker, I just get uninterrupted viewing pleasure.
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  767. No YOU'RE confused. Ships in English are always "feminine" its just current, eaily programmable millenials who have a problem telling men from women.
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  768.  @JamesRichards-mj9kw  Seeing as NONE of the globalist BS that is now being forced upon Britain was ANYTHING to do with Churchill then your assertion is complete nonsense. Even the docking of the "Windrush" took place under the time of the Socialist PM Clement Attlee. Learn more history boy.
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  769. Some pinches of reality with a whole lot of nonsense thrown in for good measure.
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  770. Seems you're forgetting the periscope alert that forced the RN rescue efforts to be brought to an early conclusion. You're obviously not aware that Bismarck had for at least 24 hours prior to her sinking been transmitting beacon signals on known U-boat frequencies, and if you were aware of the war diary of U-74, you would see that she reported that she was in the vicinity of the sinking as it took place. If you're so angry about sailors, lost at sea, and abandoned to slow, agonising, lonely deaths, You should also read about the contemporary German Admiral Wilhelm Marschall, who on 6th June 1940, after his ships Scharnhorst & Gneisenau sank the British aircraft carrier HMS Glorious and her two accompanying destroyers HMS Acasta and Ardent, chose not to make even the slightest attempt to mount ANY rescue operations even though there were no allied ships or submarines nearby, his completely callous decision consigned 1566 Royal Navy sailors to the same agonising lonely death from hypothermia and drowning as befell the Bismarck survivors, the difference being that Capt Martin of Dorsetshire had just cause to abandon his ongoing rescue efforts due to nearby enemy units, where Admiral Marschall had NO reason to abandon 1566 sailors to their deaths.
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  771.  @oneworldfamily  It's just a sales tactic, clickbait, that wants you to cough up directly and not just get your ad pennies.
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  772. Maybe everyone else has read the additional info underneath this one.... get your wallet out and get ready to PAY for the second part.
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  773. Just a pity you weren't onboard at the time.
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  774. No it didn't. Once the German battleship had been stopped from continually running away, just 2 RN battleships and cruisers put her on the bottom in double quick time.
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  775.  @dovetonsturdee7033  I think the remark is about the "timeline" channel titling the video "the sinking of Bismarck" and then only providing half the story.... pending a cash transaction into their coffers.
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  776. Plenty of well researched accounts of the story on YT for free.
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  777. You really should provide your comedic talent to TV companies... they're in desperate need of comedy scriptwriters of your calibre.
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  778. Especially when his well presented appraisal of HMS Hood is so assured & accurate..... rather than the usual uninformed "her deck armour was too thin".
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  779. Where were the "land based bombers" to Attack Bismarck? Let me help you, there were none.
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  780.  @richardbushey2666  What has the length of time got to do with it? So the Brits had "the drop" on the Germans did they? That'll be why they landed the first hit in the engagement then. A much more decisive factor is the fact that due to the dynamic operational situation prior to the engagement, Instead of Holland "crossing Bismarck's T" as he had hoped for, the German's had unintentionally "crossed Holland's T", and the gunnery numbers reflect that. Broadsides Vs half salvoes, increased density of fire from their 8 gun broadsides.... and in the course of events an incredibly lucky shot removed one of the main players from the equation. All this nonsense regarding "superior German gunnery" is mostly bullshit. A well trained Bismarck crew (who had been training aboard her since April 1940, including 3 months of sea trials during Sept-Dec 1940), was up against a brand new, untested ship with a mostly completely "green" crew, and yet Bismarck barely managed to outscore her if the hit rates are compared.... a country mile away from "outclassing" the Brits.
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  781.  @richardbushey2666  Hello Richard, Let me correct you. Hood fired 40-44 x 15in shells for 0 hits (0% hit rate). PoW fired 55 x 14in shells and scored 3 hits on Bismarck (5.45% hit rate). Bismarck fired 93 x 38cm shells for a total of 6 hits on Hood/PoW (6.5% hit rate). Prinz Eugen fired 158 x 20.3cm shells for 5/6 hits on Hood/PoW (3.8% hit rate). After the engagement closed, R/Adm Wake-Walker on Norfolk asked PoW for a status report, and PoW responded that Y turret traverse was jammed and only 3 out of her forward 6 14in guns were operational. Overall PoW's firing output was reduced by a total of 26% due to gunnery malfunctions. These are all recorded facts, please don't bother to try to dismiss them, you'll only highlight your own delusions if you do. P.S Despite being manned by a rookie crew, with a malfunctioning main arsenal, PoW had successfully, singlehandedly brought "Rhine exercise" to a premature conclusion. Job done !!! PPS Bismarck = updated Bayern.
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  782.  @etwas013  Thank you for a most interesting post DDelete, lots there to think about. I shall cogitate at length and return with a response hopefully worthy of your input. All the best.
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  783. Could you highlight examples of the content creator's "bias against German ships" please?
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  784. "Belli Dura Despicio"
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  785. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The Nelson class were purposeful, mean looking bruisers... just as a battleship should be... no nonsense, just does what it says on the 9x 16in guns.
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  786. Cars... razor blades.... engine blocks..... steel food cans, you name it.
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  787. All we hear about nowadays are Poles who understandably demand more recognition for their codebreakers prewar efforts, and yet continue to completely refuse to highlight the VITAL assitance that was provided to them by French military intelligence. For further information please read about Captain Gustave Bertrand and the prewar German informant he had "cultivated" named Hans-Thilo Schmidt, codnamed "Asche".
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  788.  @touristguy87  You jest.....
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  789. Is that really you James? You'd normally be accusing RN officers of all manner of evil and deceitfulness. But in this case very well said.
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  790.  @DiePinky  Hey look at the twisted little incel anime troll !!! Get off your phone kid and go speak to someone of the opposite sex face to face, y'never know, you may find out you can actually be something else other than an odious little pr!ck if you try !!!
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  791.  @PhilipLeitch  Oh just spotted you next post as I signed off.... the "I have a 2 honours & a masters degree". Absolutely laughable, does that mean that you're like REALLY brainy? Dear oh dear, you really DO believe your own bullshit don't you?
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  792.  @PhilipLeitch  Problem is you have NO evidence at all to support your blanket assertion. Bullshit phrases like "Hydrodynamic modelling demonstrates this isn't a phenomenon" is just that, bullshit, its not demonstrated ANYTHING of the kind. On top of which you're now boring me to death with your pseudo-scientific verbiage. Its really not that impressive, well maybe to yourself, please feel free to continue to type away. You're wrong, I know it, you know it. The end.
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  793.  @PhilipLeitch  Wouldn't it be logical Philip that those Titanic passengers who survived to give evidence were obivously not subject to localised down currents, what about the +1500 dead Titanic passengers? While obviously a large number of them died due to hypothermia, who knows how many died due to other causes? Why did you ignore Ted Briggs' account of his leaving the wreck of the Hood? Actually spoken by him? How do you explain that? Was the man a liar? Look, Philip, the crux of the matter is you're making a unsubstantiated blanket statement that it can NEVER happen, as in you have utterly no conclusive evidence. I am saying that while it will not happen in every situation, there are enough first hand accounts of the phenomena to show that it might very well happen. I'll happily take the word of people who've demonstrably experienced the phenomena over self appointed "online experts", with no scientific background, but only too eager to jump on any "bandwagon meme" that they come across while surfing. You don't believe the world is flat as well do you? We both know I'm right, be a man and say, "yes, your point is correct".
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  794. I couldn't care less what some internet website or "Mythbusters" say... A very large vessel sinking quickly is not somewhere I would like to be in the vicinity of. In Hood's case a void in the ocean's surface big enough to contain a volume of water weighing 47000 tons was suddenly inundated in a matter of 3 minutes.... to help you visualise that imagine a glass box measuring 36m x 36m x 36m (the size of a cube shaped 10 storey building) and then imagine that box completely filling with water in 3 minutes. Like it or not... you're gonna be sucked down, probably longer and deeper than the average human's lungs can withstand.
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  795.  @dovetonsturdee7033  I had a muzzy head after reading just a third of the crazed nonsense he'd posted. I do hope you didn't continue to actually reason with the loony.... even a free meal is no compensation for having to read so much of his nonsense.
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  796. Hood targetted what was thought to be Bismarck and straddled Prinz Eugen with 2 of the 6 salvoes she fired at her (but rolled 000 on the RNG which resulted in no hits) before realising her mistake and redirecting to Bismarck. Apart from Hood, all 3 of the other ships each achived hit rates in the region of 5-6% of shells fired.
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  797.  @geoffreyhui830  No problem Geoffrey. I try to keep information accurate, but not many are as well mannered as yourself. All the best.
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  798. HMS Tartar.
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  799. The 1960 movie "Sink the Bismarck". Here it is in HD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KPAPHW_EkA&list=PLWTUoEsRSnZUIjwdyIPbCM3HuG22gNeK5& ENJOY !!!
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  800.  @dovetonsturdee7033  I was aware of US officers being onboard, but not of his convening of a "war council", but that still reinforces my impression of Capt Dalrymple-Hamilton. A highly regarded RN captain of a high profile capital ship in a desperate situation being cool headed & not too haughty to be able to convene a "council of juniors" and take account of their advice, while he alone, as a captain usually does carried, the sole responsibility. My perception of Lancelot Holland is not quite so favourable.... I realise he and Hood were on the receiving end of extremely bad luck, but in all my reading of the accounts of the Bismarck saga, I've formed a vague impression that he was more autocratic, with possibly a hint of arrogance? Maybe I'm wrong, I know you'll have much more information to fill out my understanding of the man. I'd be more than happy to hear your own appraisal of Holland, Doveton.
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  801.  @dovetonsturdee7033  Dalrymple-Hamilton's strength of character to be sailing his mighty ship in completely the opposite direction to everyone else when his navigation officer gave him the correct course while the rest of the home fleet sailed on the wrong heading based on incorrect DF'ing bearings always impressed me.
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  802.  @sickstreaming  What in God's name are you wittering on about? "footed the Bill"? You seem to be totally unaware that the UK paid back what she owed to the US making the final payment as recently as 2006. In 1941 you were nothing but a bunch of profiteering cowards too shit scared to mix it when others were fighting militarism. Rest assured Bismarck's "shit was rocked" by the UK with NO help from Americans, save what we BOUGHT from you. Get back in your box and keep quiet redneck.
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  803.  @turdferguson2839  You made a comment about the theory that Bismarck attempted to surrender, and from start to finish that was the whole thrust of the discussion. Maybe I lost in your own mind "turd". JUST in your mind.
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  804.  @turdferguson2839  Who says they were surrendering? The Nazi battle standard was still flying at the top of her mainmast as she capsized.
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  805.  @alexlupsor5484  That's the current plausible theory, but it's not what you said in your OP.
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  806. I think you MAY be mistaking the sinking of HMS Hood for that of the sinking of HMS Prince of Wales in the Gulf of Siam in Dec 1941. A Japanese torpedo hit the port outer propeller shaft support of HMS PoW. The now unsupported high speed propeller shaft then snaked out of control ripping apart the glands, seals and "stuffing boxes" that kept the propeller shaft watertight. The multiple destroyed seals ensured that a FAR larger proportion of PoW's hull flooded, this included her electrical generation machinery a consequence of which was that her pumps failed, which allowed her flooding to run out of control and caused her to sink.
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  807. ALL naval guns had to be relined, earlier ones that were not relinable suffered horrible inaccuracy as the barrels wore out, relining usually took place after every 2-300 rounds fired. The Germans with their higher powered charges suffered more from barrel wear needing relining every 180-200.
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  808. Apart from Hood who misidentified her target and had to reacquire after realising her mistake, the fact is that the other 3 ships ALL achieved the same average marksmanship, that is a "hit rate" of around 5-6% of shells fired.
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  809. Please have your medication reviewed by a medical professional.
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  810.  @bookaufman9643  Worry not Boo, the reply above took me 2 minutes, no trouble at all. Dont forget Boo, Naval gunnery is not the same as firing a rifle at a target. Rifle shooting at "normal" ranges means that the bullet trajectory is close to flat, and the bullet may have a flight time of a couple of seconds or so, therefore with correctly set sights and fair conditions reasonably good accuracy is a matter of the shooter's individual skill. Naval gunnery at 12 miles distance means shells being fired with an arcing trajectory with the time between the moment of firing and impact of the shell being 30 - 40 seconds or more. In that time both ships may have moved hundreds of meters (Hood moving at 29 knots would cover nearly 600m in 40 seconds), changed course, the wind may have strengthened or weakened and so on. A ship's fire control system has to take its range estimate from its rangefinders, then factor in a large number of variables (including the obvious ones mentioned above, but also many others less obvious) and then the spotters have to observe the fall of shot (30-40 seconds or more later) and then pass on corrective information to the fire control team, who then "rinse and repeat" the above process until hits are observed. This is why I said that Hood had effectively wasted a good number of salvoes directing her fire onto Prinz Eugen, before she realised her mistake and had to start again on Bismarck. It must be remembered that the first 4 salvoes from Bismarck also missed completely, as they were also ranging the British ships, but that said to land hits with her 5th salvo was excellent shooting (Though the inexperienced crew of Prince of Wales landed the first hit in the encounter with their 6th salvo hitting Bismarck). HMS Hood (and Royal Navy warships in general) had what might be considered as "last gen" coincidence rangefinding equipment when compared to Bismarck / PE with their stereoscopic rangefinding equipment, though Hood & PoW did also have working gunnery radar fitted. If you'd like a "crash course" in naval rangefinding and fire control theory and practice, then another of Drachinifel's vids here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbXyAzGtIX8 will give you a far better understanding of the problems faced by naval gunners than most people watching YT naval vids.
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  811. A brief precis of hits landed during the encounter at Denmark Strait. First hit to land during the exchange? HMS Prince of Wales hits Bismarck at 05:55 (cutting off 1000 tons of her fuel) Hits landed by Bismarck on HMS Hood = 2 Hits landed by Prinz Eugen on HMS Hood = 2 Hits landed by Bismarck on HMS Prince of Wales = 3 Hits landed by Prinz Eugen on HMS Prince of Wales = 4 Hits landed by HMS Hood on Prinz Eugen = 0 Hits landed by HMS Prince of Wales on Bismarck = 3 These numbers are skewed by a couple of factors. 1.The lack of hits landed by HMS Hood is explained by the fact that most of her salvoes were directed at Prinz Eugen (which she straddled with her last salvoes), and then after realising she was firing at the wrong target, then had to once again start the process of zeroing in on Bismarck, and it was while she was doing this that the killer blow from Bismarck hit HMS Hood. 2. HMS Prince of Wales' main armaments were malfunctioning throughout the engagement. Out of a total number of 78 rounds which should have been fired, only 59 left the barrels. The number of "hits achieved" from "shots fired" from all of the ships in the encounter (apart from HMS Hood who scored no hits for the reason given above) was in the region of 5%.
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  812. Bismarck's crew first started their "familiarisation" with her component systems as far back as April 1940. She officially carried out 3 months of sea trials in the Baltic from September to December 1940, but from photographs it appears that during those trials she had only her foretop rangefinder and FuMO 23 mattress antenna fitted. I have wondered myself when it is said that her guns knocked out her own "forward radar" if it actually knocked out BOTH of the forward radar sets, namely the set on her forward rangefinder AND the second fitted on her foretop which seems incredible.
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  813.  @dovetonsturdee7033  The only plausible explanation, also much like Holland seeing Bismarck leading Lütjens' task force.
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  814.  @dovetonsturdee7033  I'm aware of the false alarms, it's Brinkmann's reported sighting of tracks that puzzles me.
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  815. The Atlantic was still an international maritime highway even during wartime. The USCG Modoc as a neutral was apparently patrolling the Atlantic on the lookout for any survivors from convoy battles, likewise the neutral Spanish heavy cruiser "Canarias" took part in the search for Bismarck survivors, but unfortuantely only found dead bodies.
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  816.  @dovetonsturdee7033  Small world Dove, but at the moment your father was watching Warspite providing heavy fire support at Salerno, my father was was a leading stoker watchkeeping in her boiler rooms, luckily for a second time in his naval service he avoided almost certain death as he was "off watch" when the fritz X struck through the boiler rooms and ripped a hole in her keel..... and here we both are here to talk about it.
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  817.  @littleshep5502  Complete BS..... it's just poor English. "Literally" is nonsense in this instance.... meaning that HMS Hood had many legs, of which all but her "last ones" were inoperable. The correct use of the idiom would have been simply "HMS Hood was on her last legs"
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  818. Obviously not been keeping abreast of the performance of the current Leopard tank in hot climes then?
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  819. ITs what's called "scrutiny".
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  820. Best use a PC or Mac, install an adblocker and watch YT without all the annoying advertising BS.
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  821. Another blustering clueless yank... comes in comments to "shoot some shit" no realising that amongst the "white noise" there are other commenters who actually know their history, and can disabuse (look it up) you of the utter garbage you try to pass off as "intelligent comment". P.S If you want to see something truly embarrasing, go and read about how a worn out group of Afirka Korps soldiers utterly kicked the arses of the fresh and fully supplied US army at Kasserine Pass in north Africa in Feb 1943. It took the British army to come and drag your sorry arses out of the shit. Stupid redneck.
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  822.  @benwilson6145  I've not stumbled on that, Ben, but I'll be sure to hunt it down and give it a "good coat of looking over". Thanks for that.
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  823. Nice write up Ben, a much more accurate portrayal than the wehraboo "Bismarck wuz scuttled" nonsense. The horror those men experienced onboard in that last 90 minutes is completely unimaginable & beyond comprehension.
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  824. Of course the internationally recognised signal of naval surrender being the lowering of a ship's battle ensign never take place. I well imagine that a sizeable proportion of Bismarck's crew did indeed wish to throw in the towel, but as in any combat, the intention & desire of the individual is placed way below that of the parent unit of which they are a part.
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  825. Although she had performed far better than might have been expected from a green, inexperienced crew manning an untested brand new ship, she had received multiple hits (which due to her all or nothing armour scheme had not actually caused too much damage), BUT her bridge had been hit with the temporary dislocation of a sizeable part of her command function, and most importantly she had major problems with her main armaments malfunctioning, a number of her individual main guns had stopped firing and her aft "X" turret was jammed in its barbette and unable to turn. It would have been akin to PoW taking on two assailants with one hand tied behind her back. That said she was back shadowing Bismarck at full speed within 30 minutes of breaking off the action at Denmark Strait, and went on to have 2 further exchanges of fire with Bismarck before finally having to return to Iceland to refuel.
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  826. Stern of a ship was the no. 1 aiming point for an attacking torpedo bomber. Go read about the Italian ship "Vittorio Veneto" at the battle of Cape Matapan, and HMS Prince of Wales, when she was sunk 7 months after Bismarck in the gulf of Siam.
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  827. Yes it runs contrary to the "heavily damaged PoW" story that is usually told. She continued to shadow and engage Bisamrck for a further 36 hours after the Denmark Strait engagement before having to break off to head to Iceland to refuel.
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  828. Do you think she would have allowed such a pause when she was slaughtering defenceless British merchant ships in the mid Atlantic?
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  829. Apart from the simple fact that Hood initially misidentified her target and had to reacquire after realising her mistake and then received the "golden shot" before she could zero in on Bismarck, the other 3 ships ALL achieved the same average marksmanship, that is a "hit rate" of around 5-6% of shells fired.
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  830. It was one of Holland's destroyer escorts (HMS Electra) which rescued the 3 sailors from HMS Hood. Holland had earlier sent his destroyers northwards to search for Bismarck before Hood's final action.
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  831. So nothing to do with the removal of a very real threat to Britain's lifeline? Or the destruction of 50% of Germany's true battleship fleet?
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  832. Furniture? Or shoe?
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  833.  @PeterFruits-hm8rc  It's difficult to make sense of your ungrammatical and poorly spelt "sentence". "Trod" IS an English word, and by the appearance of your reply above, you should not be handing out advice on the English language until your own comprehension & mastery of it improves.
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  834. British naval radar FAR exceeded that of Germany. During the battle of North Cape British radar detected and tracked the Scharnhorst purely by detecting the very tips of her mainmast which at times were the only part of the ship peeking over the radar horizon in the arctic darkness.
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  835. FAR more ships were mobilised to hunt the Bismarck than you suggest, but that number of ships is NO comment on Bismarck's supposed "uberness" though as the vast majority of the RN ships that joined in the hunt never saw her and were required simply to corral a small fast task force that was busily avoiding enemy contact in the 41,000,000 square mile N. Atlantic in the era before over the horizon radars, satellites and even comprehensive air cover. When she was finally stopped from running away she was decapitated, declawed and dismantled in 90 minutes. How many men do you think it would require to catch an evasive greyhound on a football pitch? Now how many men do you think it would require to "finish it off" once it had been caught?
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  836. Contrary to the widely received wisdom that an inept "maverick" captain wantonly threw his command and 2 escorts away for little reason, there is a very curious parallel story to the sinking of Glorious and her escorts, that could potentially be connected to the sinking of the 3 RN ships. Search for HMS Glorious and "operation Paul". The HMS Glorious website (YT doesn't let me post links) is written by the grandson of the Captain of HMS Ardent who was killed when she was sunk gallantly attacking the 2 German battleships during this tragic episode.
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  837. There's a WHOLE deeper chapter regarding the sinking of the 3 gallant ships. Search for "operation Paul".
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  838.  @eddiecharles6457  The blame for the sinking of the 3 gallant ships, goes a LOT higher than the Capt of HMS Glorious, Guy D'Oyly Hughes. Search for "operation Paul".
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  839. Respects to his service.
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  840.  @carlpolen7437  You're comments above are not "concrete examples" but merely obsevations or perceptions you have formed of Drachinifel's content. Even IF Drach is slightly enamoured with the RN, so what? It makes a refreshing change and gives some much needed balance to the tsunami of outspoken, overbearing US hijacking of all aspects of world history, even where they weren't involved, and the increasingly programmed globalist railing against Britain after her population once again told the European branch of the globalist world takeover to "feck off". If as I suspect you are indeed from the USA then rest assured there's NO-ONE in the world who needs lessons in humility and fair mindedness that our redneck cousins. I'd furnish you with examples of bias from US commenters, but unfortunately my keyboard would not survive the excessive usage it would receive in type them in.
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  841.  @carlpolen7437  Dear oh dear.... "I like how you provide no concrete examples of your assertion", Do you mean in EXACTLY the same way as you yourself did when you also failed to provide an example your OP? Its people like you who "flame off" on correspondents without first checking that you're not also guilty of what you accuse others of that makes the internet the joy it is !!! Likewise my hat doffs to your good self.
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  842. Do you mean by carefully explaining the underlying issues? I see you just prefer the slimmed down version for the hard of thinking.
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  843. Or more a case of "I made a "pig's ear" out of a "silk purse".
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  844. Sorry Chris you seem to have forgetten that playing WoWs for 10 hours automatically qualifies you as an expert in all matters related to naval combat in the real world. /sarcasm
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  845. I encounter the same problem when doing "online family history" research. When someone enters incorrect data regarding a person, that error gets spawns many replicaions by other people until you get to the point that the error effectively becomes accepted as "fact" from being so widely repeated.
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  846. My first line of defence is to tell any unknown caller on the phone to "fuck off". Totally lacking in finesse, but effective.
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  847. Careful Bjorn, you may be swept away in the tidal wave of juvenile nazi fanbois tears if you say that !!!!
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  848.  @TTTT-oc4eb  Exactly. Germany was the premier land army in Europe, and it was useless against the world's no1 navy. Hence why the UK devoted FAR more resources to its navy than it did its army.
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  849.  @TTTT-oc4eb  Compare 1000 5-700 ton uboats to the countless thousands of naval craft built by the far greater shipbuilding capacity of the UK, ranging from battleships and aircraft carriers to cruisers, destroyers, motor torpedo boats, minesweepers, landing craft in their 1000s, and even Mulberry harbours. UK ship production SWAMPED that of the third reich far more than German tank production dwarved that of the British. I agree with you saying nazi slave labour really came into its own from 44 onwards, which is why I said the German army would have collapsed in 43-44 had it not been for Speer and his slave labourers replacing the ruinous losses from the eastern front from 42 to 45. My 50 odd years of military reading has left me reeling from the number of photographs of virtually intact panthers / tigers / king tigers etc abandoned by roadsides and bogged down in mud etc. It stands to reason a highly machined and over complicated feat of engineering is not designed to face the rigours of front line service, at the end of supply lines that were blasted by overwhelming aerial firepower. German engineering would produce 1000 exquisitely built war machines, when the same expenditure of allied effort could produce 10000 machines that could "do the job".
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  850.  @martinschnelle3077  YOU made an assertion two posts above that in short said "German armour was astounding" and I've given you ALL the info you could ever wish for from a world renowned expert to show that it was not particularly better or worse than the allies' naval armour, but You STILL want to argue that you're right? It's not me with a problem. I have shown your assertion to be false, it appears its YOUR problem of accepting it. P.S I've just spotted some extra points you made above that did not show up on my PC earlier... YT comments are now being ruined by its ridiculous "AI" algorithm that makes comments appear and disappear seemingly at random. But here goes. 1. A torpedo would never be expected to penetrate a 320mm armour belt!!! Its a HE weapon and NOT a kinetic penetrator. I would have thought that to be patently obvious. 2. But the two superior RN battleships DID sink the Bismarck. The fact that the crew MAY have accelerated the sinking that had already been initiated by the RN is irrelevant. 3. Correct that HMS PoW was crippled by a single Japanese torpedo that DIDN'T impact her armoured belt at all. If you knew the train of events that caused that crippling you would see that the same fate as befell PoW would befall ANY ship hit in the same manner. Though what that has to do with your original incorrect assertion is beyond me, it appears that you're simply trying to deflect the argument away from your original fallacy.
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  851. Talk about COMPLETE nonsense !!! You want evidence? I got Evidence !!! Where better to look than "the survivors" whose words you hold so dearly. Lets look at the testimonies of people who actually witnessed the events of Bismarck's sinking first hand, and not some unresearched, modern day revisionist nonsense written for those who know no better. The survivor's statements below are all with regard to Bismarck's final battle on the morning of 27th May 1941. From "Battleship Bismarck: A survivor's story" Written by Baron Burkhard von Mullenheim-Rechberg, Bismarck's fourth gunnery officer, and her senior ranking survivor. Page 211 "Our list to port had increased a bit while firing was going on" followed by "Around 9:30am gas and smoke began to drift through our station" This means that prior to 9:30am Bismarck was already flooding, not something that happens to a healthy seaworthy ship, in other words she was already starting to sink. Then from an interview conducted for the highly regarded weekly history journal "Purnell's history of the second world war" in the late 1960's with Gerhard Junack (who was Bismarck's only surviving engineering officer and the survivor who SUPPOSEDLY enacted the "scuttle order"). He stated that... "Somewhere about 1015 hours, I received an order over the telephone from the Chief Engineer (Korvettenkapitän (Ing.) Walter Lehmann) to 'Prepare the ship for sinking.' That was the last order I received on the Bismarck. Soon after that, all transmission of orders collapsed." Heading back to the account of Mullenheim-Rechberg, on Page 212 he states that (before 10:00am) "I was using all the telephone circuits and calling all over the place in an effort to find out as much as possible about the condition of the ship. I got only one answer. I reached the messenger in the damage control centre and asked "who has and where is the command of the ship? Are there new orders in effect?".... The man said he was in a great hurry. He told me that everyone had abandoned the damage control centre, adding that he was the last one in the room and had to get out... then he hung up". This vain search for contact & information over the Bismarck's internal comms happened BEFORE 10:00am which throws some mild doubt on Junack's testimony where he says he was contacted by the chief engineer who supposedly gave him the "scuttle order" over the phone at 10:15am... Hmmmmm. If taken at face value these survivor testimonies show that there was at least a 45 minute gap between Bismarck starting to sink and the first mention of a "scuttle order" being given. Even if Bismarck's crew had done nothing, Bismarck was going to sink, and if the beaten crew want to help the RN, then all the better... But face it, Bismarck's crew weren't going to scuttle a perfectly seaworthy ship in the middle of the storm tossed North Atlantic of their own free will, it was only for the fact that the RN had already dismantled Bismarck and initiated the sinking process. In other words in every sense the sinking of Bismarck was the result of actions dictated by the Royal Navy. Just remember IF any "scuttling" actually took place then all that was scuttled was a 51000 ton mountain of sinking, flaming scrap metal. All guns silenced, her superstructure devastated, her main armour belt broken and penetrated in several places, her command staff physically obliterated, internally aflame from end to end, her stern and port gunwales already underwater, a thousand of her crew dead, and further hundreds of her crew already in the water behind her.... All that any scuttling did was to sink her a few minutes earlier than was already happening. In the world of boxing the crew's scuttling efforts are what is known as "throwing in the towel", submission of a boxer AFTER he has been punched senseless by a more skillful & powerful opponent, and only a deluded child would say, "the victor didn't win because his opponent killed himself before he lost.", when the truth is the loser had his arse ripped off by the victor and handed back to him on a plate. Imagine the ignominy of being forced to commit suicide by your opponent? Anything else is just hurt German pride, bolstered by modern day delusional wehraboos. Germany was well known for trying to hide its national humiliations, such as when they scuttled their "grand fleet" at the end of WW1, like illogically saying "We lost.. but you didn't win", or a pathetic "You didn't beat us because we killed ourselves first" sort of idiocy.
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  852. Death by a thousands cuts whilst running away from the enemy, or a million to one headshot while charging at your enemy... you choose.
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  853. Maybe because the Japanese can take a drubbing and accept it, whereas it seems to be a German national trait to attempt to "save face" by being seen as masters of their own fate, regardless of the fact that they'd previously been drubbed.
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  854.  @madrabbit9007  Not if you believe the "wehraboos", the RN torpedoes didn't damage Bismarck at all !!!
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  855. Both the Ballard and Mearns expeditions clearly stated Bismarck's sinking at the hands of the British. Cameron with some anti British sentiment does his level best to muddy the waters.
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  856.  @benwilson6145  Thanks Ben, an excellent post as usual. I'm aware of U-74 & 556, but no so of U-73. B.d.U had organised two u-boat traps for Rhineübung, but had dissolved both of them before the May 26th, before hastily reconstituting the second line west of Brittany.
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  857. As they infact did, until a periscope (probably that of U-74) was spotted.
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  858. They have to keep up with their major competitors, So on & so forth.
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  859.  @jamesgascoyne.7494  I and a number of others have spent a few years stalking these threads enlightening young commenters into the true state of affairs with regards to Bismarck's final battle. You have only to read Bismarck survivor's accunts of the final battle to see what an utter charnel house Bismarck was turned into at the end. Glad to have another contributor who has an understanding of the horror that was visited on Bismarck's crew on 27th May 1941. All the best from the UK .
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  860.  @hajoos.8360  Dear oh dear "Lütjens had a blackout"... such utter emotive nonsense. Do you have any evidence that he issued no orders? Apart from Lindemann issuing the order to open fire that is? Bismarck / PE altered course a number of times during the engagement, not least for the imaginary torpedoes that PE had supposedly detected on her hydrophones. There is no record at all of what tactical orders were given on Bismarck's bridge apart from those relayed to PE. It's laughable that you seriously beleive that you have a better grasp of what was occuring that did the actual people involved. You do realise that prior to PE picking up the first hydrophone contact aft of her port beam at 0500 that Lütjens had been advised that the RN Home Fleet was still at anchor in Scapa Flow, as the last available luftwaffe reconnaisance of Scapa Flow on May 21st had indicated that the Home Fleet had not sortied, and neither landbased or Lütjens own shipboard "B-dienst" teams had detected any reason to believe that major units of the RN had since deployed and were now at sea, such had been the radio silence exercised by Tovey & Holland. So the shock of being apprehended by 2 previously undetected major units of the RN Home Fleet only hammered home to Lütjens how poor the German's knowledge of RN dispositions was. Try and imagine being in command of 2 lone ships at sea, knowing you've been located by the enemy, and then realising that for your own part you have no idea of where the world's most powerful navy has its major units in relation to your position. THAT is what should be kept in mind when assessing Lütjens decisions.
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  861.  @hajoos.8360  You admit that Bismarck was solely intended to "occupy" any capital ships carrying out direct convoy escort. Did Hood/PoW have an "O.N" convoy accompanying them? His orders expressly forbade him to engage in the situation he was confronted with, which is why you correctly state Lütjens hesitated to open fire at Denmark Strait, as he was judging to see if he could outrun the ships approaching him off the port beam. The reasoning for SKL's orders were confirmed, because as the result of the Denmark Strait engagement "Exercise Rhine" was cancelled due to the damage that Bismarck suffered due to combat with RN capital ships. So what that Hitler asked why PoW was not finished off? LOTS of uninformed people still do ask the same question, the answers being those I gave above. 1. It was in contravention of the Fleet Commander's orders. 2. It was VERY likely that PoW would have been drawing Bismarck towards further RN heavy units closing from Scapa Flow. 3. Bismarck was unable to match PoW's speed due to damage sustained during the prior engagement. I'm actually surprised to find myself speaking up for the Germans as I almost always find myself shooting down the excessive claims, mythology & BS of juvenile wehraboos in these threads, but for the reason of "being fair" I do feel that Lütjens was given a "tall order" and apart from a small number of errors (not refuelling in Norway / Excessive use of RT especially) carried out those orders in a not unskillful manner. It is ALWAYS easier to criticise with the benefit of hindsight, especially as those doing the criticising in YT threads have utterly NO idea of the burden of the weight of command & the "fog of war" when alone in a hostile ocean. Neither do I, but I have the wisdom to acknowledge it, and try to take it into account when assessing the decisions made.
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  862.  @hajoos.8360  Rechberg was in the after range finding station not buried in the bowels of the ship he would have had VERY clear indications of Bismarck's pitch and roll trim as part of his rangefinding apparatus, so trying to "poo poo" his account of events is wishful ignorance of cold hard facts. Part of your misinformation comes from relying on wikipedia.... the page regarding Bismarck as well as the other covering her final battle are littered with errors, as well as the omission of various facts that are supported by primary documentation which are repeatedly deleted by "wikipedia preferred editors" who have their own, biased opinions on the matter. You need to read more widely than that. First hand survivor accounts are valuable, as well as some of the better researched works produced since. To pit an unsourced wikipedia statement against that of Rechberg & Bismarck's senior surviving engineering officer is unwise. You talk of "supporting" strategic decisions, Lütjens wasn't part of naval planning, but a commander who would have had little to no input regarding the orders he'd been given. His, as the old saying goes, was to "do or die". All that BS about being "shot on the quarterdeck" after Denmark Strait, you seem to be oblivious to the fact that Lütjens' orders forbade his seeking engagement with enemy capital ships, and the impetuous Lindemann wanting to chase PoW eastwards was EXPRESSLY against the SKL orders that Lütjens was forced to abide by, as well as ill-advised in as far as the Germans were aware that further major units of the RN would be heading westwards from the direction of Scapa Flow. (Also not forgetting the fact that Bismarck was unable to chase PoW who was still steaming at full speed while Bismarck was forced to lower speed due to the damage to her bows causing trim problems and her loss of two boilers due to flooding, as well as ignoring the concerns of the now critical fuel situation Lütjens faced as a result of PoW's hit on her fuel tanks). The "oh she sould have sunk PoW as well" is just fanciful, uninformed wehraboo fantasy.
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  863.  @hajoos.8360  Do I think Opeartion Berlin was a success? Dislocation of the convoy system, the capturing and sinking of 22 merchant ships and running the Home Fleet ragged for 2 months, for no loss to the Kriegsmarine fleet? It certainly was a success!!! You're confusing poor german strategical resource planning with a small but successful commerce raiding operation. Of course the men and materiel of the KM surface fleet would have been better used elsewhere, but that wasn't Lütjens fault. He was given a task in difficult conditions and carried it out relatively successfully. The Strategic overview was not of his making. All very well calling them cowards, but when all you've got is the post "weserübung" remains of a piddling little fleet, you have to nip at the much stronger enemy when he is weak and run away when he isn't. Face it, ANY KM surface ship losses were NOT going to be made good, the RN easily replaced its losses and MORE. It's true that Britain was on the sea what Germany was on land. The British army could NEVER have landed on the continent again, never mind liberate Europe, but on the other hand she was NEVER going to be cut off by the German Navy. A premier land power against a premier sea power... the classic stand off. As for your assertion that the "scuttle order" was given between 09:15 and 09:21, Yes, I DO have a question. Where did you get your (incorrect) information from? Lets look at some survivor testimonies (people who actually witnessed the events of Bismarck's sinking first hand), and not some poorly researched, modern day revisionist TV nonsense made for the "hard of thinking" shall we? From "Battleship Bismarck: A survivor's story" Written by Baron Burkhard von Mullenheim-Rechberg, Bismarck's senior ranking survivor. Page 211 "Our list to port had increased a bit while firing was going on" followed by "Around 9:30am gas and smoke began to drift through our station" This means that prior to 9:30am Bismarck was already flooding, not something that happens to a healthy seaworthy ship, in other words she was already starting to sink. Then from an interview conducted for the highly regarded weekly history journal "Purnell's history of the second world war" in the late 1960's with Kpt Lt Gerhard Junack (who was Bismarck's only surviving engineering officer and the survivor who supposedly enacted the "scuttle order"). He stated that... "Somewhere about 1015 hours, I received an order over the telephone from the Chief Engineer (Korvettenkapitän (Ing.) Walter Lehmann) to 'Prepare the ship for sinking.' That was the last order I received on the Bismarck. Soon after that, all transmission of orders collapsed." Heading back to the account of Mullenheim-Rechberg, on Page 212 he states that (before 10:00am) "I was using all the telephone circuits and calling all over the place in an effort to find out as much as possible about the condition of the ship. I got only one answer. I reached the messenger in the damage control centre and asked "who has and where is the command of the ship? Are there new orders in effect?".... The man said he was in a great hurry. He told me that everyone had abandoned the damage control centre, adding that he was the last one in the room and had to get out... then he hung up". If taken at face value these survivor testimonies show that there was at least a 45 minute gap between Bismarck starting to sink and the first mention of a "scuttle order" being given. Even if Bismarck's crew had done nothing, Bismarck was going to sink, and if the beaten crew want to help the RN, then all the better... But face it, Bismarck's crew weren't going to scuttle a perfectly seaworthy ship in the middle of the storm tossed North Atlantic of their own free will, it was only for the fact that the RN had already dismantled Bismarck and initiated the sinking process. In other words in every sense the sinking of Bismarck was the result of actions dictated by the Royal Navy. Anything else is just hurt German pride, bolstered by modern day delusional wehraboos. Germany was well known for trying to hide its national humiliations, such as when they scuttled their "grand fleet" at the end of WW1, like illogically saying "We lost.. but you didn't win", or a pathetic "You didn't beat us because we killed ourselves before you killed us" sort of idiocy.
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  864. And caused the sinking of the Bismarck which in the end the German crew assisted in.
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  865. Its solid basis in fact is just the cherry on the cake.
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  866. "as we all know conservatives are inherently stupid".... I prefer the sentiment of "If you're not a socialist as a teenager, then you've got no heart........ If you're still a socialist when you're retiring, then you've got no brain".
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  867. "she" for the VAST majority of English speakers.
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  868. Hood received a "head shot" running into battle, while Bismarck was "tag teamed" and "spit roasted" after spending 6 days running away from battle. You decide which is the more "honourable" death.
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  869. Do you mean "minus her entire supertructure" "in one piece"?
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  870. Possibly, but she was well and truly "cauterised" after the wounding.
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  871. The hit on turret Bruno also destroyed the hydraulic lines feeding turret Anton, causing its guns to droop to maximum depression, rather like a middle aged man who can't find his "little blue tablets".... not that I'd know anything about that.
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  872. All fascinating "what ifs", but just to correct a point, a recent estimate concluded that 68 RN ships were diverted from their regular duties in response to Bismarck's sortie of which maybe 15 actually caught sight of Bismarck. The Royal Navy at that point had around 330 ships on her establishment, meaning about 20% of the Royal Navy responded to Bismarck's sortie, and about 4.5% of the RN actually saw Bismarck.
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  873.  @mpetersen6  The cutter USCG Modoc was ostensibly taking part in life saving sweeps of the convoy lanes on the lookout for drifting lifeboats and floating hulks as part of the "Greenland patrol" when she encountered Bismarck after the battle of Denmark Strait. Another fallacious story is how Fairey Swordfish from HMS Victorious "very nearly" torpedoed Modoc. The truth is the swordfish, flying through cloud on their way to attack Bismarck detected a "blip" on their ASV 1 radar set and the attack commander, Eugene Esmonde, Descended below cloud to "eyeball" the contact. He correctly identified the US cutter, but in doing so his aircraft was spotted by Bismarck which was 3 miles away and this lost the benefit of surprise the Swordfish hoped to have in attacking Bismarck.
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  874. "Wehraboo" derives from "Wehrmacht" which was the combined armed forces of nazi Germany.
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  875. Try hitting a 2.4m high piece of armour from 3.7km away with a 1 ton shell in a rolling ship on a storm tossed sea. If you can imagine trying to do that then you will have a clearer understanding of why so few 16in shells hit the main armour belt. They had little problem hitting the rest of the ship though.
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  876. And the relevence of your diatribe to this video is?
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  877.  @mikearmstrong8483  Its good to know there are others still carrying the torch against the dark tide of youthful nazi enthrallment that as always threatens to wash reality away. All the best.
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  878.  @mikearmstrong8483  Read any German books and documentation and ships are referred to using the feminine "die" as opposed to the masculine "der". HMS Rodney, HMS King George V, HMS Hood etc were all named after men but as with all British ships were referred to as "she".
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  879.  @mikearmstrong8483  Sorry Mike, they don't. Capt Lindemann having to decree that Bismarck's crew refer to her using the male pronoun CONFIRMS that the usual custom in Germany is to use the feminine pronoun.
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  880.  @TxRattPack  Please search out German language military history websites on the internet, the vast majority of which still refer to her as "die Bismarck", "die" being the German FEMININE pronoun, as opposed to "der" which is the male counterpart. The "He" in relation to Bismarck was from a talk that her newly appointed captain, Ernst Lindemann gave at her commisioning, where unburdened by modern "sexual equality", he said that "a ship so powerful should not be considered as feminine", and decreed that the crew refer to the ship using the male pronoun. That is as far as his authority extended....the crew. He carries no weight with the rest of the English speaking world, who are quite content to refer to all ships as feminine.
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  881. Its actually a ship... English speakers have for centuries referred to ships with the female pronoun..... we're not going to change that for a lot of pronoun obsessed children who think they've invented the wheel.
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  882. She was already sinking via the process of progressive flooding, but such was the rate of its sinking that it would have entailed a further hour or more intense Royal Naval bombardment, the crew of Bismarck weren't prepared to endure that and so pulled the plug to speed it up. They knew it was their best chance of survival.
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  883. If I throw a lighted match into a burned out building, does that make me the "arsonist"?
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  884. Don't say that Michelle, you'll upset all the pre-pubescent wehraboo fanbois.
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  885.  @arunta5  Aye there are lots of relatively unknown facts regarding pivotal figures during WW2. Neville Chamberlain, British prime minister known for his attempts to avert WW2, and his failed appeasement policies, died in November 1940 crushed by his failure to avoid a second apocalyptic blood letting, and with Britain at its lowest point at the time of his death. Trafford Leigh-Mallory one of the commanders during the "battle of Britain" died in the French Alps in 1944 in a plane crash whilst on his way to take up his new post as Air Commander-in-Chief of South East Asia Command. Personally speaking I find the death of Chamberlain from stomach cancer in Nov 1940 as a tragedy for an honourable man who had worked tirelessly to prevent bloodshed and who passed at a time when it appeared that the UK was on the verge of being conquered by nazi Germany. Anyhow, all the best to you Arunta.
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  886. Let me illustrate the flawed logic of your "Hood was a battlecruiser just like the 3 battlecruisers lost at Jutland. Ballet dancers have 2 arms 2 legs and a head. I also have two arms, two legs and a head. Therefore I am a ballet dancer. (You REALLY wouldn't want to see me in a tutu). "Bismarck was a state of the art battleship"... was she? She had most of the same major design features as the Hood, twin gunned main turrets, incremental armour scheme, needlessly duplicated secondary armament. Hood had the excuse of being built during WW1, Bismarck didn't. Bismarck was mauled, declawed and beheaded by an RN battleship that was 13 years older than her, and which sported superior armour and firepower in a package that weighted 30% less.
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  887. Hood was a battlecruiser 15 years before Bismarck slid down the slipway. You think the British admiralty was concerned with German self regard?
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  888. But it WASN'T built as it was designed.
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  889. In that case Bismarck must be one as well.
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  890. neither of which were at sea when Hood and Bismarck were.
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  891. What was "meaningless" about "full HD"? It was the sales jargon for the non-technical consumer that specifically related to the 1080p screen resolution, "ordinary" HD being the lower 720p screen resolution.
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  892. HMS Hood WAS originally conceived and designed as a lightly armoured "battlecruiser". Just after her keel was laid in John Brown's Shipyard on the River Clude in Glasgow the battle of Jutland took place with the result of 3 of Admiral Beatty's battlecrusiers blowing up. Building of Hood was then postponed while D’Eyncourt and his team redesigned Hood to incorporate 3500 tons of extra armour, with the result that when launched she had the same degree of armour protection as the Royal Navy's then premier battleships the "Queen Elizabeth" class, BUT was 7-8 knots faster than the "QEs". When a ship has A. Battleship firepower B. Battleship armour and C. 7-8 knots faster than all contemporary battleships, I don;t care whether it was originally designed and named as a "battlecruiser", what you have is the world's first "FAST battleship". As Shakespeare's Juliet said..."What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet".
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  893. Hood was an evolution of battlecruiser theory. Post Jutland her uparmoured redesign took her into the new realm of the fast battleship. a THIRD of her 46000 displacement was armour, she was as well armoured as the Queen Elizabeth class battleships, such as HMS Warspite that had survived everything the Kaiser's navy could throw at her when at Jutland her steering motors overheated and she circled alone twice in front of the entire WW1 German battle fleet, and then went on into WW2 surviving encounters with Italian battleships and nazi glider bombs. Hood was as far removed from the likes of the WW1 Tiger and Indefatigable class battlecruisers as I am from a ballet dancer (and thats a VERY long way). The RN's nomenclature for Hood as a "battlecruiser" was entirely down to her speed, which outstripped all her WW1 battleship cohort by a factor of 7-8 knots, and not based on her being "lightly armoured". Bismarck belt armour = 12.6 inches Hood belt armour = 12 inches (Though angled so as to give 13 inches of protection). Bismarck deck armour = 4 inches Hood deck armour = 3 inches Hood's vertical armour was well upto the standard of contemporary battleships, her weakest aspect was her horizontal deck armour, but V/Adm Holland had raced to close on Bismarck and had escaped the "danger zone" of plunging fire, only to be then hit by a million to one shot that found an obscure "achilles heel" in her vertical armour.
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  894. Not so much "not very good" but more a case of it being the "original fast battleship" that was not modernised enough throughout its 21 year career to keep it abreast of naval developments.
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  895. Graf Spee a battlecruiser? Hahaha.
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  896. At the time of her completion in 1920 contemporary battleships could "only" steam at 22-23 knots, for a 45,000 ton warship to achieve 32 knots in 1920 was STAGGERING.
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  897. Heavily gunned heavy cruisers.
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  898. Hood had "no armour" (12 inch belt, and 3 in deck) and was large for no reason? What do you think drove her 45000 tons at nearly 32 knots? Don't you think her size was something to do with being powered by 4 large steam turbines fed by 24 boilers?
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  899. What did USS Arizona act like?
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  900. My father in line with all other stokers in the RN (and in all other navies) during WW2 while serving onboard oil burning ships regularly had to climb inside an offline boiler to scrub carbon/soot buildup from within the heat transfer tubes with wire brushes.... a bloody awful dirty job at the best of times. Then when you realise that the adjoining boiler would still be online powering the ship meant that the temperature inside the offline boiler would still often reach 110ºF-120ºF... then add to that that he spent 2 years of the war onboard ships in the heat of the Indian ocean tropics and it makes you understand why the RN stationed Royal Marines onboard every ship to "keep order"... especially amongst stokers. The stokers were given an increased water allowance onboard whilst in the tropics for this reason.
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  901. Her mission was to commerce raid which could have seen her probing as far south as the south Atlantic as at the time the German "at sea" refuelling nework of oilers had not been devastated yet (thought that was to happen very soon afterwards). No-one can know what exactly was on the mind of Gunther Lütjens prior to Bismarck's damage received at Denmark Strait. Mullenheim-Rechberg speculates that Lütjens had been unnerved by the advances in British radar technology which was already causing him problems as Norfolk had just recently been fitted with the RN's latest radar equipment, and that he was also gravely concerned that the nazis own "B-dienst" sig-int service had given him utterly no warning of the Hood/ PoW's approach. My feelings are that Lütjens was between a rock and a hard place. on one hand he knew that Hitler had certain expectations of Bismarck's performance, and that Raeder was wanting to highlight the usefulness of the Kriegsmarine prior to Barbarossa, but I also believe that he knew that with the advent of radar / longer ranged aircraft / greater allied naval power, that the days of hit and run tactics, followed by sloping off to some quiet corner of the ocean for a few days were rapidly coming to an end.
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  902.  @SkuliBragason-xc7jl  Says who? "what ifs" are a common theme in all aspects of history. If you don't like the idea, then why come and click on a video about it? For example, I can't stand weird Japanese paedo amine shit... therefore you will NEVER see a comment of mine on any such videos.
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  903. Actually she was to have been the last of the WW1 era ships to be modernised. He major refit was scheduled for 1942.
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  904. Still championing nazis and Japanese militarists? Luckily for you Ashwani, you never had to live under either of them.
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  905. Please expand on your hypothesis.
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  906. "(The Hood) ships were not worth their industrial cost" Great Britain had FAR greater ship building capacity than did Germany. Germany had only TWO shipyards with the requisite capacity to construct the Bismarck class, which means Bismarck took up 50% of Germany's major slipways for 5 YEARS (and Tirpitz occupied the other), and all for 7 days of active service. Compare that to Hood, who utilised only a small percentage of GB's capacity and provided over 20 years of outstanding value to her mother country. Then if you use "financial outlay" as the yardstick, then Bismarck qualifies as possibly the "worst buy" in naval history. 193,000,000rm for 7 days of active service, compared to Hood's £6,000,000 for 20 years of CEASELESS service. Thats the same as buying a Bugatti Veyron and writing it off on its first outing, against buying a Rolls Royce Silver Ghost and getting 20 years of unstinting, loyal and prestigious service from it..... before the idiot in the Veyron crashed into it.
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  907. To place the third "X" turret in a superfiring position (that is stepped higher again than "B" Turret) would have involved placing a turret weighing somewhere around 1500 tons in a VERY high position above her waterline, causing massive instability and hugely increased the risk of the ship capsizing, but I have to agree that for me, the Nelson class is the most powerful looking leviathon of the seas.
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  908.  @upthebracket26  We're the same age group, we know classic humour when we see it... I still watch all the 70s-90s stuff, it still beats the shit they put out nowadays. Keep your chin up, there's blue sky behind those grey clouds... all the best.
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  909. "Dazzle" and other similar styles of naval camoflage were not intended to "hide" the ship from sight. It was recognised in the first world war that in poor visibility no camoflage was necessary and in good visibility it was impossible to hide a ship. The purpose of those camoflage patterns was actually to make it very difficult for a distant ship or submarine to determine in which direction your ship was sailing, which was a necessary factor in the aiming of long range gunnery and torpedoes.
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  910.  @CapnBlackJackHonour  https://youtu.be/t3Nh6ro2eGE
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  911. Fantasic Drach!!! I've long awaited for you to cover this bloody hero. Now setteling down to enjoy this. Thanks
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  912. Nice to highlight that these men and women fighting for their country still had private lives and loves, which is all to easily forgotten when reading historical narratives.
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  913.  @harrdalejosh  Yes, the "Flower Class" were mostly used by the Royal Navy, Royal Canadian Navy and the Free French Navy. The French and Canadians named theirs after places and people, but the +200 used by the Royal Navy were ALL named after flower species. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flower-class_corvette
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  914. Most would call it complete bollocks.
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  915. Capt Walker wasn't an American, that's why !!! Instead we get the BS of "greyhound".
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  916. You think that's purely a British trait?
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  917. He'd also been a Fairey Swordfish pilot earlier in his career.
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  918.  @Sandhoeflyerhome  An early towed array would have been simply cable mounted hydrophones (basically a specialised underwater microphone) towed along beneath the wake disturbance of the tow ship, multiple "microphones" spaced equally along the length of the cable combined with advanced electronics onboard the tow ship could as well as initially detecting an underwater sound source also provide some indication of direction due to the phase shift in the signal picked up by the individual microphones. While a string of towed hydrophones was a relatively common technology it was the electronics onboard the tow ship that the hydrophones were connected to that were the REAL cutting edge advance. The idea of towing hydrophones underneath and behind the acoustic disturbance of a ship's propellers was first experimented with during WW1, but it appears that research died away after 1918, but the idea resurfaced in the 1930s and from what I can gather was largely driven by the pioneering work of a Dr Harvey P Hayes of the US. A Towed Array is a passive form of detection, the "active" (pinging) equivalent system is known as a VDS or variable depth sonar. That's the sum of my knowledge (largely gained through playing old PC game titles such as "Cold Waters" and "Dangerous waters")... but there will be plenty more info out there if you search hard enough. All the best from the UK.
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  919. Endrass.
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  920. He was buried at sea in Liverpool Bay... from the deck of the RN Destroyer Hesperous, after a large funeral service at Liverpool Anglican cathederal. Here is some pathe footage of his funeral his final journey from Pier Head, Liverpool and his commital to the deep in Livepool bay. https://youtu.be/t3Nh6ro2eGE
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  921. Any such story was complete nonsense.
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  922.  @jonathanjones3623  I've never seen so many words actually say so little. Well done. Why use 5 words when 500 will suffice? A chunk of Shakespeare that fits your diatribe very well is "A poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage, and then is heard no more: It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.”
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  923.  @jonathanjones3623  You do realise that the incremental armour you allude to when defining Hood's status as a battlecruiser is exactly the SAME principle that was used to armour the Bismarck itself. Does that mean Bismarck was a battlecruiser? As for your definition of "dead short of adequate armor distribution and reliability of protection" that is a VERY wide net you're using to entangle Hood, such a net would also entangle the "American Battlecruiser" USS Arizona. It appears you erroneously consider Hood an equal of her naval contemporaries HMS Repulse and Renown (and indeed her predecessors Indefatigable, Invincible & Queen Mary). The belief that Hood was "vulnerable to plunging fire" at the range that was involved at the time of her destruction (17000 yards) does not stand scrutiny. Gunnery data both from the pre war German testing and that of the post war US navy concur that Bismarck's 38cm SK C/34 main weapons being of higher velocity had at the range of Hood's destruction an "angle of fall" of approximately 11-13 degrees from the horizontal, therefore the old belief of mortar-like "plunging fire" holds no water at all. Pair this data with the fact that prewar testing of Hood's horizontal armouring showed that it was impervious to 15in shellfire at angles of fall anwhere below 20 degrees. As for Hood's original designation as a "battlecruiser", I refer you to Shakespeare's line from Romeo and Juliet "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet", or in our case if a ship possesses battleship weapons, battleship armour and is a lot faster than other contemporary battleships then it is a "fast battleship".
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  924. The filth is in your OWN mind :)
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  925. That WAS U-534. The site you walked past was the old "Spillers flour mills" on Birkenhead's East Float dock. Which was where the "Merseyside Historic Warship Preservation Trust" was sited prior to its closure in 2006. You could around the mid to late 1990s pay for a guided tour around the interior and exterior of U-534, which myself and a friend did. The Historic Warship Preservation Trust, which also hosted the Rothesay-class frigate HMS Plymouth, the "Oberon Class" sub HMS Onyx, and the last remaining D-day tank landing craft HMLCT 7074 as well as the U-534, before the museum folded in 2006.
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  926. Admiral Ernest J King. Personally responsible for the deaths of thousands of allied merchant sailors, and the loss of hundreds of thousands of tons of allied shipping and cargoes, largely based on his intense dislike for the British nation.
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  927. You're aptly nicknamed.
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  928.  @stephenjones6500  The blowlamp like flame was the overpressure of the Hood's deflagrating magazines venting to open air via the machinery spaces ventilation trunking, which was positioned between the mainmast and her second funnel.
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  929.  @alexlupsor5484  Because its a nonsense question. Why would you imagine that sufficient heat to melt through multiple armoured decks would be generated by a fire in open air? Even if you used a thermite well it would be hard pressed to melt through multiple layers of armour. The gout of flame in front of Hood's main mast that was witnessed shortly before the deflagration was the energy from the magazines venting via the path of least resistance, that being the comprimised bulkheads between the main 15in magazine the 4" HA magazine and the aft engineroom bulkhead then from there venting upwards through the machinery space ventilation trunking which emerged just forward of Hood's main mast.
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  930. Superior firepower?
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  931. Remember that the RN finished WW2 FAR stronger than it began, meanwhile the kriegmarine effectively ceased to exist after 1943. The small number of telling blows landed on the RN by the kreigsmarine prior to its destruction is akin to my walking up and landing one on Mike Tyson, shortly before I spend the rest of my life on a life support machine.
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  932.  @jamesfahy-pl2cv  The most likely explanation to date is one explained very well by Drachinifel himself. https://youtu.be/CLPeC7LRqIY All the best James.
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  933. RN ships rescued as many survivors as they could in a hostile sea, the same cannot be said for the German battleships Scharhorst and Gniesenau on 8th June 1940.
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  934. History of WW2....... the allies won.
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  935. There has NEVER been a "cope" about Hood detonating due to a gunnery accident. It's a very slim, outside possibility due to erratic behaviour that was spotted with relation to "X" turret shortly before the detonation that destroyed her. It was always been widely accepted that she was sunk due to a shell from Bismarck. You (or argumentative self professed "experts" in modern day forums), appear to be making a debate where none really exists.
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  936. Being in an enclosed space close to 100 tons of detonating cordite n the middle of the stormy Atlantic is not a good place to be.
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  937. The RN did not have the luxury to wait for other ships to arrive, Bismarck was on the very threshold of the convoy lanes and the wide open expanse of the North Atlantic in which to take evasive action, as she did not want to engage RN warships. The best chance they had to engage the unwilling German ships was in the Denmark strait, bordered as it was to the west by the Greenland ice pack. It was the hit achieved by the PoW that drastically reduced Bismarck's fuel capacity and stopped "Operation Rhine Exercise" in its tracks.
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  938. We are all just a fibre in the thread of our own family history, Mes. Good to see others who also recognise this. All the best.
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  939. Germany started the fight in 1939 HiMO.
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  940.  @akaj188  You believe that while everyone else knows that Bismarck's final battle began at 8:45am on 27th May 1941. Regarding "Bismarck's superb gunnery" as you put it, and hits landed by both sides during that battle, the score was as follows... Bismarck - 0 Royal Navy - 400
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  941. Ashwani, still pumping out his love of fascism.
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  942. Bill Jurens' work IS indeed of the highest standard. His, together with Drachinifel's contribution to the subject, is probably the best analysis of the subject matter available. With regard to your Aunt's fiance, if you know his name then search out the site of the Hood association (I can't include a link, if I do then YT benevolently delete the post) and there you will find a "memorial page" for every known member of Hood's crew throughout her illustrious 21 year career. Many of the pages contain certified photographs of the individual crewmen and a "potted history" of their naval service. Its a respectful way of honouring the memories of those brave lads, young and old, who lost their lives on that fateful May morning 81 years ago. All the best.
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  943. If you hunt down an old game called "Atlantic Fleet" on steam it provides a much simplified but passable naval gunnery simulation and a recreation of the Denmark Strait engagement.
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  944. But strangely they failed to land a single hit on any British warship 3 days later... just before Bismarck was torn apart.
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  945. Respects to the service and sacrifice of your great uncle, Oliver. I'm sure it was an emotional, poignant pilgrimage to his final resting place.
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  946. Hey Look !!! Another completely clueless commenter talking complete bullshit about a subject he has not the faintest knowledge of !!!
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  947. Was she? HMS Warspite and the rest of the Queen Ellizabeths were commisioned years earlier than Hood and all served admirably through WW2. What the problem was was that the "QE"s were modernised interwar, while Hood was in such demand during the interwar period that she only received much smaller upgrades.
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  948.  @justhimo2728  The first shots of the battle of Denmark Strait were fired by HMS Hood & HMS Prince of Wales, BUT you must understand that Bismarck and Prinz Eugen were NOT taking German pensioners out on a sight seeing cruise around the Atlantic and Caribbean, their mission was to destroy international civilian cargo shipping travelling across the Atlantic to supply Britain, the very thing that the Royal Navy existed to protect.
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  949. The amount of effort required by the RN was more a testimony to the difficulty of finding a single ship in the vastness of the 41 million square mile Atlantic at a time when there were no satellites and only rudimentary radar and air covereage was available. The lion's share of luck went to Bismarck with her million to one hit on Hood's magazine.
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  950. The wreck was rediscovered in 2001, and lays in 9000ft of water. Due to the nature of her destruction the wreck of the Hood is severely damaged and lying in 3 main pieces. If you search for HMS Hood 2001 expedition you'll find a lot of material to read.
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  951. "Penny pinching"? She was one of the most expensive ships ever built at the time of her construction, and was brought down by a million to one shot that hit an obscure weakness in her vertical armour.
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  952. Whilst forgetting to mention the imperial pretentions of each and every European power from the 16th to 20th centuries. Read about the centuries long rape of the Spanish colonies, or Belgian abuses in the Congo, Dutch mistreatment of the locals in Indonesia. German atrocities in East Africa or French despotism in North Africa and SE Asia or indeed the concerted destruction of "first nation Americans" first at the hands of European colonists, then to completion by the modern United States of America. Unless, that is, you're not interested in "context" and your only agenda is pouring scorn on the UK. P.S The German battleship was named "Bismarck".
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  953. You guessed wrong.
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  954. Quite simply Norfolk and Suffolk were tailing the Germans who were steaming at close to maximum speed, consequently the British cruisers had only a small speed advantge with which to close in the stern chase. Norfolk did manage to loose off a few salvoes near the end of the engagement, but they fell far short.
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  955.  @ellsworth1956  Hood after her mid build redesign effectively had the same armour scheme as a QE battleship, the same as HMS Warspite, who as well as withstanding everything the high seas fleet could throw at her during Jutland in WW1, was equally happy exchanging blows with Italian battleships, and nazi glider bombs during WW2. On top of which Hood was 7 knots faster. While your general point of battle cruisers being an evolutionary dead-end is not in question, the fact of the matter is that Hood, inspite of worn out machinery was still a formidible opponent for Bismarck, but unfortunately a million to one shot from Bismarck uncovered an obscure achilles heel in Hood's vertical armour, which led to her demise. The idea of likening Hood to a WW1 Indefatigable class is akin to likening an Aston Martin to a Morris Minor.
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  956.  @roykliffen9674  "YT" kindly didn't notify me of your responses Roy, only just spotted them today. Hood's belt armour was sloped outwardly at 13° so a "heel" to starboard would as you say have increased the angle (and therefore thickness) of Hood's belt armour even further. But as you have also interestingly illustrated the complex internal armour profiles as well as the many other variables involved mean that without any physical evidence (of which there is none) all our talk is purely conjecture... interesting for us though it is. All the best.
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  957. All quite possible, but we will never know the exact details. Hood's 3in deck armour had been shown in the 1920s to be effective against 15in shells impacting at anywhere below 20°. According to the German's own gunnery data at the range that Bismarck's killing shot struck Hood (8-9 nautical miles) the "fall of shot" was in the region of 11° to 13°, so Hood heeling over in a high speed turn to port would theoretically have had to caused her to lean to nearly 10° for her horizontal deck armour to become vulnerable.
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  958.  @lumberlikwidator8863  I suppose it must be tedious having the yawning gaps in your self proclaimed naval "knowledge" highlighted for any interested parties to see. All I saw was your BS reply when the completely obvious nonsense you typed in was pointed out to you. Now go take yourself away to whichever quotations website you use in lieu of genuine wit in search for a pithy reply.
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  959.  @lumberlikwidator8863  Where's the real "lumberlikwidator" gone? He was holding his own with a reasonable side of a discussion, to be replaced with the "argument" of a 14 year old. Looks like you ran out of road.
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  960. ​ @tank3.095  What reaction do you think I would get if I went onto a thread about the USS Arizona or the USS Indianapolis and start making stupid comments about Americans? Dunno about you, but making light of thousands of tragic deaths is not big. I'm British but even so don't particularly laugh at the deaths of the 2000 German sailors who died during this episode. There's no shortage of comedy threads on YT. Try them.
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  961. They appear to be what was known as "gash chutes", and its where all the dirty water from "swabbing the decks", food scraps from the ship's galleys, and other assorted ship's refuse would have been jettisoned down (to avoid all the rubbish blowing across the decks!!!). the black paint underneath was to mask the stains and dirt which would otherwise spoil the look of a ship.
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  962.  @ZeldaTheSwordsman  Exactly. what all the wehraboos choose to ignore is that PoW was again comfortably shadowing Bismarck within 30 minutes of her withdrawal from battle, and after the remedial work you mentioned engaged in a further two fruitless gun duels with her.
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  963.  @CorePathway  What tends to be the sentence of a court martial passed down after an investigation of a internal service matter on a naval captain is to be "relieved of command" which happens more than you may imagine. Last year the captain of the US nuclear powered sub USS Connecticut was "relieved of command" after the sub collided with an outcrop of rock in the south China sea. If the offence is even more serious, or liable to bring the service involved into disrepute, the person concerned may be "cashiered" which basically means getting "kicked out of the service". I'm no expert but I'm sure someone will eventually follow up with a fuller more accurate set of details.
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  964.  @sirderam1  HMS Dorsetshire. Also read the KTB (war diary) of U-74 whose captain Kpt Lt Eitel-Friedrich Kentrat, clearly states that he was in the area and even viewed British warships through his scope. But thank you for your honest words concerning the treatment of the Bismarck survivors once onboard Dorsetshire. They were provided with 3 meals a day, rum, cigarettes and even sweets by the crew. One of the survivors who was brought on board with a severely wounded arm was operated on hours after his rescue, but died the following morning. He was buried at sea and afforded full military honours by the Captain and crew of Dorsetshire, his name was Gerhard Lüttich and he was commited to the deep from under the flag of the Imperial Kaiserliche Marine as there was no nazi flag in Dorsetshire's flag lockers. This was agreed to by the senior Bismarck survivor Burkhard von Müllenheim-Rechberg. All the best.
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  965. A good patriot.
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  966. Neil Oliver.... I liked him in "Coast", but as his documentaries became more frequent on TV it was hard not to notice that in ALL of them he preferred to have the camera focussed more on his flowing mane than on the particular subject matter he was talking about, and so over the years he began to slide down my list of "watchable" presenters on TV, and had largely been written off in our household. BUT...... Over the last couple of years he mysteriously appeared less and less on mainstream TV, and now its become clear why.... The man has got spirit....the courage of his convictions.... he refuses to regurigate the narrative thats ENDLESSLY parroted by the vast majority of worthless, globalist financed "slebs" in the media, and he possesses a very rare attribute, that is the power of critical, independent thought. Good god almighty !!! I never thought I'd utter these words, but Neil is in danger of becoming a NATIONAL TREASURE !!! Please Neil, keep on with the EXCELLENT work you're doing.... I've never been afraid of airing my own views even when contrary to the vast majority shared in public, but someone with more access to media channels is worth their weight in GOLD. The more divergent opinions are heard in public the more we free ourselves from the globalist hegemony thats sweeping the world.
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  967. If only it were true, he could give the whole rotten globalist mouthpiece ITV a proper good shaking... but they all close ranks... bit like the majority of the medical profession.
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  968. Ever thought it might be YOU who's blind?
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  969. Yes its called "summer weather".
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  970. Next up !!!! What would happen if the moon deflated?
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  971. Bollocks... Yet ANOTHER clueless redneck.
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  972.  @johnbrewer8954  But those kills weren't attributed to "any squadron", they were credited to 303 Sqd's kill tally. All I'm saying is that modern day Poles demand "national recognition" for their part in the war effort, whilst simultaneously quietly hiding the contribution of a Czech to THEIR success in the war. The very definition of a double standard.
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  973. Aye, Stan Boardman still going strong.
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  974. Don't be disheartened !!! Be positive !!! Take the bull by the horns, take affirmative action !!! YOU go and correct that omission, YOU go and find the identity of a coloured pilot who flew in the battle of Britain, and report back to us so we can honour him. I won't hold my breath though as I suspect it means truly nothing to you in reality.
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  975. Or indeed the rest of Britain. Do you not realise that the map covers the area that that particular control room covers? Other control rooms covered other areas of the country.
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  976.  @petercrane2065  Well his words took place at the end of the English civil war... will it take the same now to rid ourselves of the globalist financed puppets who occupy Westminster, and run the country for their paymaster's benefits rather that those of the nation's electorate. Though there is more that a few cells of my mind that think the cadaverous worms who are fixed on toppling western society are also intent on starting civil disorder as a prelude to mobilising the army and completing our transformation into a totalitarian state.
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  977. It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice. Ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government. Ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money. Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse. Gold is your God. Which of you have not bartered your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth? Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defiled this sacred place, and turned the Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation. You were deputed here by the people to get grievances redressed, are yourselves become the greatest grievance. Your country therefore calls upon me to cleanse this Augean stable, by putting a final period to your iniquitous proceedings in this House; and which by God's help, and the strength he has given me, I am now come to do. I command ye therefore, upon the peril of your lives, to depart immediately out of this place. Go, get you out! Make haste! Ye venal slaves be gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors. In the name of God, go! Oliver Cromwell - 20 April 1653, London, England Who will take his place now?
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  978. In other words they tried to bluster Britain into a negotiated peace, and we called their bluff.
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  979.  @mazury450  And to further reduce your ignoarnce, while celebrating the bravery, skill and success of Polish "Kościuszko" 303 sqd, the top scoring RAF squadron of the battle of Britain, also remember the other nationalities who flew as part of the squadron during the battle and who contributed SO much to its success. Polish "Kościuszko" 303 Sqd total kill tally - 58.5 confirmed kills Squadron commander, Sqd Ldr Ronald Gustave Kellett (British) - 5 confirmed kills "A" Flight commander, Fl Lt John Alexander Kent (Canadian) - 6 confirmed kills "B" Flight commander, Fl Lt Athol Stanhope Forbes (British) - 7 confirmed kills. Sgt pilot Josef František (Czechoslovakian) - 17 confirmed Kills. We in the UK remember ALL the pilots (and NOT just the Polish ones).
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  980.  @mazury450  I only need refer as far as the RAF's own records.... you keep on reading your BS "claimed" totals. 303 Scored 58.5 CONFIRMED kills, though they did indeed CLAIM 127. BIG difference.
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  981.  @bubiruski8067  How much extra money would they have wasted re-tooling a factory to built DB601s simply to satisfy your tastes 60 years later? It seems you're not as bothered that the "heinkels" are actually Casa 2.111s.
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  982. How tiresome.
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  983. Struan Rodger, as stated in the final credits, though I thought it was Martin Jarvis.
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  984. They did.... for reconnaisance or weather reporting.
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  985. It's a love/HATE relationship between the two.... almost as much "history" as the middle east.
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  986. All part of the team.
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  987. No, it is because the pseudo-democratic globalist directed body that now passes for the "UK Govt" despises and disowns anything that shows the United Kingdom in an honourable light.
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  988. A simple bit of online research will show you that the "Bf109s" in the film are actually Hispano Aviación HA-1112 "Buchons". Spanish licence built 109s. The "He111s" are also Spanish licence built, they are Casa 2.111s, both of which in the film are fitted with RR Merlins.
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  989. Lucky for the world, we saved them from nazism at a time when the US & USSR were only too happy to be doing business with them.
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  990. Says who?
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  991. Utter nonsense kid. If it wasn't for the UK ALONE then Poland would STILL have swastikas flying over its capital and death camps operating on its soil.
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  992.  @nickdanger3802  Rest assured Nick, The US finished WW2 countless BILLIONS better off then when they started it. Then when they'd helped bankrupt the British empire (as was their desire), and realised we were potentially gonna flip to the left with the rest of Europe, they then had to bail us out with the Marshall plan, or watch as large parts of the world map turned communist red.
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  993.  @nickdanger3802  Thank you for the evidence supporting the US's profiteering.
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  994. Rolls Royce Merlin engine powered Hispano HA1112 Buchons. Spanish licence built Bf-109s, used in place of DB601 powered Bf-109Es, because there were no airworthy Bf-109Es left to use in the film "The battle of Britain", which is where a lot of the footage from this documentary came from. The Heinkels used in the film were also Spanish built CASA 2.111s as no airworthy He-111s were left either.
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  995.  @helloScuffed  Yes, the Poles fought well, they should have done, all the "average" Polish pilots had already been killed or captured over the previous year, so only the most skillful and resourceful Poles had filtered through to the UK. They were not some genetically bred "super pilots", they had simply had much more combat experience than the vast majority of British pilots at the time of the battle. Check out kill tallies at wars end, you'll see an even distribution amongst the nations. Plus dont forget the majority of the highest scorers during the battle were British, its only to be expected, we comprised 80% of Fighter Command.. "303 shot down 126 aircraft". You missed out 1 important word there "claimed". Do some research about the battle, 303's "confirmed" kill tally was 58.5 kills, of which 17 were by the man you mentioned, the Czech "lone wolf" pilot Josef František. I'm not suggesting that the Poles were lying, ALL squadrons had inflated kill tallies, due to confusion in combat, multiple claims on the same kill etc. And I freely acknowledge that even when the "confirmed squadron tally" scorecard is viewed, 303 Sqd still came out on top. I understand that the Poles are rightfully proud of their fighting prowess and determination (just as I am obviously proud of us Brits), I don't hide or deny the Poles contribution, indeed EVERY year at the remembrance day parades I've attended I see honours and tributes to the Poles specifically (but few if any made to the other nationalities), I just hate to see the facts distorted, to benefit one nation at another expense. Keep it real madet, keep it real.
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  996. The later Buchons were fitted with RR Merlins and Griffins.
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  997. I know... so many globalist agitators amongst our number.
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  998.  @nickdanger3802  If Standard Oil had not sold its octane boosting technology to the Soviets and Germans, then it would have been a level playing field anyway. The US simply sold whatever it could to whoever was prepared to pay, choosing to profiteer while other democracies were fighting for their very existence.
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  999.  @brucebartup6161  "Womden"? what's one of those? As for mixed gender teaching staff, we had probably around 90% male teaching staff, but the 10% female staff were not clueless types who these days want to be your "BFF", but more the fearsome Mrs Trunchball stereo type. On the occasions where we had student teachers come in, any weakness was ruthlessly seized upon by the "rascal element", and chaos would ensue, whereupon a more senior teacher from an adjoining classroom would quickly enter and calm would be restored without violence or fuss, but simply by their fearsome reputation. But as I said earlier there were enough of those "tough teachers" that were ready to guide and support you if you were prepared to work along with them.
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  1000. My family lived just outside of Liverpool city centre during WW2. My mother (aged 14 in 1939) remained in the city. By 1941 she was making tea for firewatchers on the roof of Lewis's dept store during the blitz, and by 1943 was working in a small engineering factory in the city centre assembling 3" rockets for the RAF ground attack aircraft. What a generation they were.
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  1001. They were "net cutters" designed to allow the submarine to pass through underwater anti submarine netting. They were mostly removed early war as the chance of using them was negligible. Apart from U-47s attack on Scapa Flow in Oct 1939 that is.
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  1002. World socialism on the rise. Forget all the smoke and mirrors regarding the supposed rise in fascism. Any such rise is directly a gut reaction of many people to the cold dead hand of globalist socialism reaching further and further into our lives to remove our freedom to think and decide of our own free choice. You want to see what the society of the future will look like? Watch some videos regarding socialist "social engineering" in the 1920s and 30s. P.S Thanks for the "heads up" regarding Utreon. Not seen it before but it does immediately look very professional, with hopefully the potential to challenge the dreadful YT hegemony in the future.
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  1003. PIAT had some weaknesses, meh range, and bit of a beast to re-cock, but it had a decent enough shaped charge warhead, was more easily man portable, and most vitally didn't kick up ANY dust in a backblast to give away your position to all and sundry, a big factor in urban combat.
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  1004. It may not have been safe, but more importantly was it "inspirational"?
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  1005. If only they'd asked some 50 year old uninspiring white men, this may all have been avoided.
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  1006. Ocean gate.... Go woke Get soaked.
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  1007. He never set off from his accomadation "alone"... he was with his wife and a married couple who were friends. Some older people find it completely comfortable to exist without carrying their own personal tracker device with them everywhere they go. Unfortunately in this case it would indeed have provided a means of contact.
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  1008. Because he didn't want to? Next !!!
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  1009. The same as anyone else can.
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  1010. Why don't you engage your brain before typing?
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  1011. Its gratifying to see the occasional sensible post amongst the tidal wave of utter inanity in these comment sections. Well said.
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  1012. Not all of us got "jabbed"... I put my own GP'sphone number on my phone block list to stop the winter sniffles BS txts, and Ain't I glad I did !!!!
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  1013. Did we trust him? I don't know about you, I made my OWN informed choice and decided against the sniffles jab nonsense, but regardless of his advice he still appeared to be a decent human, the type who wouldn't gloat over the tragic death of another person.
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  1014. Imagine being inside a frangible shell that is under 2.5 tons of water pressure on every inch of its surface. Now imagine that tough but brittle shell losing its integrity. Close to instantanous collapse.
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  1015. Better dying doing something you love that at the end of a long chronic illness, or because of war or famine.
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  1016. with the engine running.
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  1017.  @wizzolo  Agreed, I made an incorrect assumption you were referring to a need for decompression of the crew. Thank you for clarifying the point you were making.
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  1018. And yet inspite of the MILLIONS of tanks aircraft ships and men they're supposed to have lost (in return apparently Ukraine has received a dented bumper in one of its US supplied Humvees) The Russians are STILL in the game, handing out as good as they get. The brainless dupes in comments below are laughable.
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  1019. I wonder if they mandated untested & dangeous "vaccines" on their population?
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  1020. Language always becomes subverted. In much the same way that "Bad" and "sick" now mean "good", whenever you hear the word "liberal" now, you must immediately recognise the fetid stench of totalitarian Stalinist/Hitlerite tyranny.
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  1021. So yet again another example of public funds being directed into private hands by politicians who then take up lucrative posts within the very same private companies they sprayed our money over, when they decide to "leave parliament". Personally I'd lash the feckers up from the nearest lampost.
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  1022.  @luciddoggo5094  Nonsense. When the nazis turned on their erstwhile ally the USSR in June 1941, America was STILL happily carrying out "business as usual" with BOTH sides of the European war. Happily supplying the nazis with 60% of their military transport needs, and a sizeable chunk of their aero engine requirements, amongst other things. Yes, Ford and General Motors were making BILLIONS from the nazi regime, and the US government was reaping a handsome tax take from their profits. while the British Empire fought on alone.
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  1023. When devious nazi fanboi idiots or assorted uninformed idiots say "Hitler never wanted war with Britain and France" they ALWAYS miss off the part that says "until he was ready for it on his OWN terms". Because of course Hitler laid all his hopes on being left to expand the nazi empire EASTWARDS in peace, assimilate his new found conquests with their collective economies and resources, further build up his military power and only THEN conquer Britain & France, as they had already attempted TWICE BEFORE in the previous 70 years, once in 1870 and again in 1914, the THIRD attempt in 1940 was precipitated by the British and French not sitting and waiting for it to happen on Hitler's terms. If we had've waited the outcome would have been much MUCH different from the destruction of nazism in 1945. Not confronting Hitler in 1939 would have resulted with Britain by the late 1940s onwards having: A puppet nazi government, a nazi supporting King Edward VIII restored to the throne, and the UK as a nazi satellite state. Extermination camps in the Cotswolds, Pennines & Scottish Highlands. SS Einsatzgruppen stalking the shires looking to find "undesirables" to summarily execute. All UK males of working age being deported to the reich to be slaved to death in nazi armaments factories or infrastructure projects. And now, slimy nazi fanbois and other devious loons want the uninformed to think that letting Hitler conduct his plans undisturbed would mean that we would have a Britain today filled with Rose cottages, warm beer, bar skittles & village cricket. How utterly devious those people are, people with greater awareness of the situation don't fall for their nazi apologist nonsense.
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  1024. So how do you explain the fact that Churchill had NOT held office in the British government since 1929 and had ZERO influence on British foreign and domestic policy throughout the 1930s? "Oh yeah... in my nazi clouded mind I hadn't thought of that". You're welcome.
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  1025. The Republic of Ireland is NOT part of Britain or the UK, and while Northern Ireland is NOT part of Great Britain it IS part of the "United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland".
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  1026. "Very much united" Hahahaha.... keep drinking that EUSSR "kool Aid".
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  1027. What a "victory" for the USSR. 10% of its entire population dead and ALL of its major cities devastated. Do you think the US "lost" the war? Untouched by enemies, minimal population loss and a MASSIVELY inflated economy. I know which one I'd consider "the winner".
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  1028. That is debatable to some degree, but one thing is for sure. It did NOT become a NAZI vassal state, which is what the war was fought for.
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  1029. Delusional alert.
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  1030.  @maxpower3990  No matter what the outcome, it WASN'T a nazi puppet govt in Britain and nazi death camps in the Cotswolds & Pennines. I'd settle for that.
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  1031. Nah.... It was down to William of Normandy's victory at Senlac Hill !!!
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  1032. Most people couldn't be arsed who "financed" him. It was because of him that nazism was destroyed in 1945 and also the reason why there are no nazi death camps in the Cotswolds, Pennines & Scottish Highlands.
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  1033.  @PerPress  That is unless you can provide us with the details of the soviet death camps sited on Polish soil.
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  1034.  @PerPress  Rest assured Poland was liberated and rescued from nazi tyranny , to be replaced with a lesser evil. Communism.
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  1035. You mean nazi Germany that had.... 1. Remilitarised the demilitarised Rhineland. 2. Assasinated the Austrian President and absorbed Austria into the "Greater German reich. 3. Negotiated the absorbtion of the Czech Sudetenland, then went on to completely & illegally occupy the rest of Czechoslovakia after having previously declared that Germany had "No further territorial demands in Europe". 4. Invaded Poland without any legal declaration of war. was a trustworthy neighbour to have at the centre of Europe? What was western Europe meant to do? Passively allow Hitler to create a Germanic empire stretching from the French border to the Urals, and trust that was the end of his plans? No thanks.
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  1036.  @NobleBoss  How can you prove wrong what hasn't been proved right in the first place?
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  1037. Nah, he's just an enthralled nazi fanboi. You can spot them a mile off... plus I bet he has a nazi shrine in his mum's spare bedroom.
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  1038. No nazi Germany was the CLEAR and PRESENT danger to Britain and France in 1939. There was FAR more chance of death camps in the Cotswolds, Pennines and Scottish Highlands, than there was of gulags, and far more liklihood of SS einsatzgruppen "death squads" stalking the English shires than the NKVD.
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  1039. Not only did Britain have to go to war to prevent the nazi ideology from spreading across Europe unchecked, it was the catalyst that saw it destroyed and prevented Hitler's dream of 1000 years of death camps and genocide from becoming a reality.
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  1040. Haven't you got pokemon to be playing with, kid?
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  1041. It paid off HANDSOMELY !!! Britain has existed for the last 80 years WITHOUT nazi extermination camps, SS Einsatzgruppen and enforced deportation to Germany for the purposes of human slavery. Isn't it strange how nazi sympathisers like people to forget about what "would have been".
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  1042.  @PerPress  It's just a pity that you can't buy "hindsight" in bottles isn't it? Roosevelt appeared to be fully fooled by Stalin's "charm", and the two of them were thick as thieves who often made private arrangements without informing Churchill. Churchill in turn was no lover of communism (you have only to see how quickly he turned the British army out at the drop of a hat in the 1920s to quell militant union unrest to see that), BUT he correctly believed that Hitler was a clearer danger to the UK up until mid WW2 and so was prepared to countenance the soviets UNTIL the end of the war in Europe when: 1. The dying British empire was sidelined as the USA & USSR took centre stage. 2. He was kicked out of office And so was forced once again to rail against communism in the late 40s early 50s the way he had against nazism from 1933 to 1939.
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  1043. Dear oh dear. More "Britain bombed first" nonsense. First German bombs dropped on the British mainland? 16th October 1939 saw the very first bombs dropped on Britain when the Germans launched scattered air attacks over port and industrial facilities around the Scottish city of Edinburgh, and the RN naval base at Rosyth. First bombs dropped by the RAF on German soil? Although the RAF had launched bomber attacks on Kriegsmarine naval units in the North sea from Sept 3rd 1939 onwards, it was actually the 19th March 1940 that the FIRST RAF bombs landed on German soil... When on 13th November 1939 the luftwaffe bombed RAF Sullom Voe a seaplane base with port facilities in the Shetland Isles (with the resultant death of a rabbit, and no hits on the 9 seaplanes or 2 RN vessels stationed there), the RAF retaliated by hitting the nazi seaplane base at Hörnum on the island of Sylt in the North Sea. These were THE VERY FIRST RAF bombs to land on German soil....5 months AFTER the first German bombs had landed on British soil. The first British or German civilian casualty caused by the bombing of the opposing side during WW2? 16th March 1940 when German bombs hit the village of "Bridge of Waithe" near Stenness on the Orkney Islands during an attack on the Home Fleet anchorage at Scapa Flow, which killed a 27 year-old County Council employee, James Isbister (luckily, his wife, baby son, and the neighbour James was endeavouring to rescue from her bombed cottage all survived). First British bombs to drop on the actual German mainland? 11th May 1940, when the British air ministry for the first time allowed the bombing of railway yards, communication centres and bridges west of the Rhine River to interrupt German supply lines supporting their undeclared assault into the NEUTRAL Low countries and France on 10th May 1940. Previous to this date the British air ministry in an effort to stop the inflaming of the conflict had refused to allow the RAF to drop ANY bombs on the German mainland, instead the RAF supplied the German demand for toilet paper by dropping propaganda leaflets on German cities. The RAF attacks on 11th May 1940 had also come after REPEATED attacks against RN installations on the British mainland, most notably at Rosyth near Edinburgh, Cromarty Firth & Scapa Flow all in Scotland throughout the winter of 1939/40. First British bombs dropped EAST of the Rhine River? On the night of 23/24th August 1940 the RAF launched an attack on Berlin. This attack directed at the Klingenberg Power Station in Eastern Berlin & Templehof airport was in RETALIATION for REPEATED luftwaffe raids on RAF Fighter Command Sector Airfields within the suburbs of Greater London throughout July and August 1940 that had already caused HUNDREDS of innocent British civilian deaths & casualties (euphemistically known nowadays as "collateral damage") this was inspite of Hitler's previous decrees that no bombs should be dropped within the boundary of Greater London. Obviously that decree had never reached the ears of Herman Goering. German retaliation for the one night of bombing of Berlin on 23/24th August 1940? The launching of the all out assault against British cities from 7th Sept 1940 onwards, culminating in the world's first attempt to create a "firestorm" during operation "moonlight sonata" on the British city of Coventry on the night of 14/15th Nov 1940, where the luftwaffe sent 575 bombers using their world beating "X-gerat" bombing system (in the Germans own words capable of placing "target indicator" flares with an accuracy of 50 meters at 200 miles range) over the civilian city centre of Coventry dropping 550 tons of high explosive (including hundreds of "flammen" (oil) bombs) followed by over 30,000 incendiary bombs. The final death toll of that single raid? A previously unheard of 568 innocent civilians, this was in addition to the thousands of other British civilians already killed & injured in other cities across Britain over the previous 2 months. The first British bombing raid directly targetted at German civilians? "Operation Abigail" on the night of 16/17th December 1940, (3 months AFTER the opening of the nazi "blitz" on British cities) the Dec 16th attack by the RAF was launched against the German city of Mannheim where 100 RAF bombers dropped 100 tons of HE and 14,000 incendiaries inflicting a death toll on the German population of 34 dead and 81 injured. Not to worry though , the RAF eventually "upped its game" and showed the Germans how to do it properly a year or two later. Don't try to hide the fact that the Germans enjoyed dropping HE on the cities of its neighbours from the earliest days of flight. The first aerial bombs dropped in history were from a zeppelin raid on Liege in Belgium on 4th August 1914... just 11 years after the invention of powered flight. Since WW2, they've learned the lesson NOT to do it again.
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  1044.  @Winterwolf-fs3wh  Pity you can't travel back 90 years in time to tell them what modern day corporate globalists had in mind isn't it. Go buy yourself a lottery ticket kid, seems you think you have the power to see the future. P.S We did indeed lose our empire, but on the "Glass half full" side of things we also prevented the nazis from opening branches of their now unpopular "Death camp" franchise in the British Isles, and saw the destruction of murderous nazism. I'm more than happy to settle for that.
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  1045. Oh you mean the EUSSR?
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  1046. The British empire was built on trade, and the stuffing of indigenous leader's mouths with gold. How could a nation of 20-30 million militarily subdue a third of the planet exactly?
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  1047.  @sharpsexteriors4492  You said "a giant USSR on our doorstep". That's not what we got. Also your assessment is based on hindsight. If you want to recreate how sovereign countries forecast future events then try telling me with any certainty what the weather will be like a fortnight from today.
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  1048.  @nickarnold814  "Why declare war on Germany"? As I said above the reason was simple: The British and French govts HOPED that the threat alone of Germany having to face the "might" of the British and French empires would force Hitler to rethink his planned move on Poland. It was, after the remilitarisation of the Rhineland, the Anschluss of Austria, the assimilation of the Sudetenland and the absorbtion of the rump Czechoslovak state, effectively a final "line in the sand" to Hitler, as if it were parents saying to a belligerent child "We've bent over backwards to accomodate you, but you've now gone too far.... Invade Poland and you'll have BOTH of us to deal with...." Unfortunately for millions of people Hitler called the bluff of Britain & France, and the rest is history.
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  1049.  @nickarnold814  Yes Britain and France were wary of Germany intentions from 1933 onwards, and grew increasingly alarmed at Hitler's rhetoric, but whereas Hitler's military dictatorship was secretly preparing for war from 1933, the western democracies (the US included) were far more intent on feeding their populations, running their economies and maintaining their empires. Military spending across the west (again including the US) was at an all time low from after the "wall street crash" of 1929 and onwards through the "great depression" of the early to mid 1930s. NO-ONE wanted war apart from nazi Germany. Eventually they got it.
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  1050.  @nickarnold814  "Why Guarantee Poland protection". The did NO such thing !!! How could the UK & France "protect Poland"? They guaranteed that if nazi Germany crossed the Polish border they would declare war on Germany, which as good as their word, they did. It was hoped that the THREAT alone of facing the Frence and the British Empires would forestall any German moves to cross the Polish border. The bluff didn't work and WW2 broke out. "Why not build up your military?" Do you think the military is made up by collecting 20 tokens from the back of cornflakes packets? Maintaining a large standing military is an INCREDIBLY expensive luxury that NO nation on earth commits to. You seem oblivious of history & reality. ALL nations (even the US) maintain a relatively small force of regular full time troops, these are backed up by a larger number of "reservists" who can double or treble the size of the armed forces within a relatively short space of time, to assemble a large standing army complete with in Britain's close to a million conscripted civilians (France had near to 4 million conscripts!!!) who need outfitting, basic & infantry training then assimilating into the army's organisation takes a long time. All of which also cost LOTS of money, the western world was still recovering from the financial collapse of wall street of 1929 and the ensuing "great Depression" of the 1930s.... all nations (apart from nazi Germany) felt they had more pressing matters than building up armies for future wars, feeding & housing their populations, maintaining their empires were the most important items, defence spending in all western nations (including the US) was at an all time low through the 1930s. Also remember that all decisions are made WITHOUT the benefit of future hindsight.
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  1051. Why would the British declare war on the Soviet Union? It had NO practical way of attacking it, and to do so would only have only driven the USSR & nazis deeper into a defensive pact, a pact between the then world's most capable military, and the world's largest resource pool. No much wiser to declare war on the far more clear and present danger of the nazis, drive a wedge between them and their "part time friends" the USSR, and leave to simmer.
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  1052.  @TheImperatorKnight  It's EXACTLY the same as the old saying "the freedom of the press".... there's NOTHING "free" about "the press" or more accurately nowadays the "MSM" apart from the freedom of the media proprietors to choose what they ALONE want to broadcast to the unthunkers, and seeing as the media barons are part of the globalists who've now bought every national govt with their corrupting "filthy lucre" then what the media says is what the globalists want you to see. Well done with your channel, Glad you're taking it a bit easier for your own sake.
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  1053. Strange how TIK has 336k subscribers, but apparently less than 20-30k views per video? More BS from the YT algorithms....
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  1054. As I've been saying for YEARS the flooding of Europe with third world migrants thereby destabilising western societies and placing untold strain on our national infrastructures has a distinct parallel to the rise of communism throughout Europe the early 20th century. What is happening in the west today has very strong echoes of the German Weimar republic, political instability..... rapidly increasing cost of living making many feel desperate.... an external force bringing with it an impending national doom, an incompetent and corrupted political class wringing their hands in helplessness as things are being intentionally spiralled out of control..... and then though the darkness and chaos emerges "the man for the moment"..... in each country a potential Hitler in the making, calling out the causes of the choas and promising to lead us back to a better past where we were in control of our own national destinies. All completely orchestrated by those at the VERY top..... the new authoritarian framework of the WEF, UN, WHO, WB who want to impose RIGID control over the whole of mankind.... corporate globalism. They couldn't just have announced their intentions and taken over multiple, formerly stable, sovereign nations, and so over the last 50 years they've had their "long march through the institutions" and have now subverted those former sovereign govts like a fungus, now those subverted governments intentionally enacted policies to bring each nation to its knees, have instigated a needless "war without end" in Ukraine all with the intention of diverting TRILLIONS of dollars and pounds worth of public taxpayer's money into private globalist corporate MIC bank accounts, terrifying an increasingly poorly educated and subservient population with "fake plagues" of "winter sniffles".... do as you're told, come and get your untested, debilitating "vaccines"... or else !!!! The old process of "Ordo ab chao" or "Order from the chaos"..... more commonly known as "problem - reaction - solution" who knows? It may end up to be the "final solution"?
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  1055. 1. There was no reason for the luftwaffe to attempt to create a firestorm over the city of Coventry on the night of 14th Nov 1940. 2. It was dreadful of the nazi "Kondor legion" to bomb the Spanish town of Guernica on "market day" when the normally moderately small population of the town was swelled by farmers and families from the surrounding area. 3. How awful of the luftwaffe to strafe, bomb and murder innocent civilian refugees of multiple nationalities fleeing from their attack on the west in May 1940.
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  1056. Wind and whirlwind.... I imagine a lot of the people killed at Dresden wished in their final moments they had opposed the murderous expansionist policies of the nazis earlier.
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  1057. The BIG difference you forgot to mention, Harris hadn't launched murderous raids on a neutral non-combatant, unlike the nazis, who time and again launched unannounced attacks without a legal declaration of war against unsuspecting victims.
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  1058. The Germans had been destroying civilian targets around the European continent for 5 years, as well as carrying out pan european industrial scale genocide. Maybe we should have tickled them with feathers instead?
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  1059.  @fredrichenning1367  What a ludricrous idea that "bombing extended the war". You're suggesting that if nazi Germany hadn't initiated the bombing of civilians and the allies retaliated then we might have destroyed nazism by 1942 or 43? What a deluded notion.
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  1060. Hang on??? Are we talking about the rise of the nazi party? or current day globalism? Opps my bad... same thing really.
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  1061. Over a MILLION muslins now shipped into the UK over the last 20 years.. We have EVERY right to be concerned.
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  1062. Do you remember when our politicians used to visit local workplaces and schools and engage with the public? Can you imagine ANY of these globalist financed pr!cks now in our once honourable parliament going for a walkabout in this country that THEY'VE made?
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  1063. I'm glad to say there are very few problems in the UK with Hindus. They were loyal with us during WW2, and when they come here they all appear to assimilate beautifully. Unlike many other creeds who are ferried to our shores and dumped on us... and our puppet government welcome them in. It would be like Winston Churchill giving nazi stormtroopers a guided tour of the houses of Parliament. Best wishes to the good people of Canada from the UK... (just not that turd Trudeau and his globalist puppets).
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  1064. BANG ON.
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  1065. Bang on.
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  1066. FFS idiots are you shills or idiots? WAKE UP. ALL the mainstream political parties of the west are now puppets of the WEF, they do as their paymasters tell them to do at the G8 in Davos each year. They ALL piss in the same pot. Take the fecking sleep out of your eyes FFS !!!
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  1067. I'm from a VERY union orientated family through the generations, but I jacked in my membership with the Fire Brigades Union 10 years before I retired because I could see them supporting the roots of this current BS.
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  1068. Klaus Schwab, George Soros, Bill Gates and their bought and paid for globalist puppet govts across the west PISS over the graves and destroyed lives of the ordinary people of Europe.
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  1069. Starmer and the ENTIRE rest of the govt make NO decisions anynore... they simply enact the orders they're handed at the G8 summit by the globalist filth in the shape of the World Economic Forum.
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  1070.  @sarahyoon3069  Before the decolonisation took place those people and their families fought for this country... and without them the world would be in a LOT worse state than it is now. Don't advertise your ignorance for all to see. P.S Why do you upvote your own comments?
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  1071. That's YOUR ignorance Sara. During WW2 when Britain still ruled India, 2,500,000 Indians, a large proportion of whom were Sikhs, volunteered to join the British Army of India, fought against the Japanese and Germans defending British Interests, and in doing so earned a right to be British citizens. I'm ALL for stopping this tidal wave of sub Saharan Africans and middle easterners VERY few of whom have ever fought for our benefit, or seek to abide by our rules, but the Sikhs, like the Nepalese Gurkhas are NOT a part of that grouping who have no right to be here.
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  1072. ALL mainstream political parties in the west are now funded by corporate globalists. The World Economic Forum in Switzerland headed by Klaus Schwab aided by George Soros, Bill Gates and the rest of the corporate leaders FUND western political parties. It is THEY and the WEF who give out the orders to their puppet governments at the G8 summits at Davos every year. THEY are the fuckers who are directing whats going on in the world now. Stop bitching about "Labour this".... "Conservative that".... and "Lib Dem" the other...... They're ALL pissing in the same pot and then tipping it over the rest of us. PLEASE wake up to that fact. The ONLY function of political parties nowadays is to convince you all that you still live in a "democracy" and "have a choice", but when the options for you to choose from are A..... A.... or A, then the truth is you're ALREADY living in a corporate globalist dictatorship.
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  1073. Yup... been a long time coming... but its finally arriving at platform one..... and to think of all those who used to call us "tin foil hat wearers".
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  1074. And stupid people STILL think "oh Conservative"..... "ooo Labour" .... "ooh Lib Dems"..... WAKE UP !!!!!!!!!! THEY'RE ALL PISSING IN THE SAME POT AND THEN POURING IT OVER ALL OF US!!!!
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  1075. The enemy is not just at the gates... they're at the CONTROLS !!!!
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  1076. Don't talk arse gravy... they paddle across from France... they ARE NOT refugees... they are economic migrants.
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  1077. Klaus Schwab, George Soros, Bill Gates and the WEF,
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  1078. Thanks for your words Friend.... we stood shoulder to shoulder against the nazis.... this time around its the WEF and the the globalists. Die on your feet rather than live on your knees. Best wishes to you with your own struggle against your own globalist puppet, the prick Trudeau. Stay strong.
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  1079. Meanwhile neatly sidestepping some VERY important facts. Without the continued opposition of the British empire to nazism from June 1940 onwards, there would have been: NO D-Day and war in the Meditteranean to draw sizeable wehrmacht resources from the war on the Eastern Front. NO strategic bombing of German cities and war industries. NO interdiction of German global sea trade by the Royal Navy. NO massive supply of weapons and war materiel from the west to the USSR, once their former allies nazi Germany had turned on them. NO utterly crucial strategic intelligence courtesy of Britain's (not Poland's before you say it) "ULTRA" program. With the result that the USSR would have collapsed somewhere in 1942/43, leaving the nazis in control of the whole of Europe. What was that about the soviets winning the war "alone"?
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  1080. Without the continued opposition of the British empire to nazism from June 1940 onwards (when the USSR was still a willing ally of nazi Germany), opposition which bankrupted the UK and cost her 460,000 of her citizen's lives, there would have been: NO D-Day and war in the Meditteranean to draw sizeable wehrmacht resources from the war on the Eastern Front. NO strategic bombing of German cities and war industries, which even Albert Speer stated constituted a complete "second front" for Germany from 1942 onwards with regards to the demands for materiel and manpower with which to defend the reich. NO interdiction of German global sea trade by the Royal Navy. NO massive supply of weapons and war materiel from the west to the USSR, once their former allies nazi Germany had turned on them. NO utterly crucial strategic intelligence courtesy of Britain's (not Poland's before you say it) "ULTRA" program. With the result that the USSR would have collapsed somewhere in 1942/43, leaving the nazis in control of the whole of Europe. Without the western Allies the USSR would have only existed to the east of the Ural mountains and their society would have been sent back to the stone age by 1943.
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  1081. There weren't that many in the country then.
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  1082.  @johnjacobs1625  Externally maybe. Plus as you know Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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  1083. Can you name some for us please?
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  1084. Could you name some for us so we can do our own research please?
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  1085. Eric "Winkle" Brown... now THERES a test pilot... you can keep your "Chuck" Yeager.
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  1086.  @Ndlanding  Pity your wrong though. Matchbox made plastic kits through the 1970s, 80s & 90s. I bought MANY of their WW2 aircraft and vehicle kits. They made 1:32, 1:35, 1:43, 1:72, 1:76 and 1:700 scale tanks, aircraft, car, lorry and ship models. Simply google image "matchbox model kits" to see your error.
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  1087. My father witnessed MASSIVE theft by yanks/Soviets/German/Italians/(add your favourite nation to hate here).
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  1088. "Anglophile ideology"? How far from the truth can you be??? I've nearly complained on a number of his videos against the partisan views he sometimes expresses AGAINST the British. It is only the fact that he seems to air similar partisan views against ALL the combattants in his videos that allows me to carry on watching his very good research.
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  1089. That's ALWAYS been the case... the old saying used to be "one mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist"... There's NOTHING new under the sun.
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  1090. Has Mark created a video documenting the Polish annexation of Zaolzie from Czechoslovakia, while the Germans secured their grip on the poor Czechs? A not very well known prewar agreement between the nazis and Poland?
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  1091. Neither did my father or grandfather with their WW1 & WW2 medals.
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  1092. Nonsense.
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  1093. Has no one taken umbrage with the term "MANPADS"? Shouldn't they at least be "PERSONPADS" if not more acurately "NONGENDERSPECIFICPADS"?.... Just sayin'
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  1094. The figures are widely reported and available to those prepared to read any number of books on the relevent subjects.
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  1095. 6:00 My father was on HMS Warspite off the beaches of Salerno when the "Fritz X" bombs hit in Sept 1943. His station was as a stoker in her boiler rooms, but was HUGELY fortunate to be "off watch" at the time of the strike, as one of the bombs penetrated straight through her boiler room machinery spaces before detonating under her keel, though he did suffer hearing damage for the rest of his life.
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  1096. Who cares? As long as they're paying good money.
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  1097. Jump annoying ad. 1:22
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  1098. Their "record" is WELL blotted!!! We just never get to see it. I think Charlie's been blackmailed and bought off by today's corporate globalists with a "carrot and stick" approach. The carrot being "we'll keep you in the obscene opulence to which you've become accustomed" and "the stick" being "don't play ball with us and our globalist MSM will pour into the public domain all we know about the likes of Prince Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein, and Princess Margaret and her string of "naughty boy" lovers, as well as a million and one other things kept from the public's eyes".
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  1099. My sister's car has broken down... post us £10000 for a new one would you?
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  1100. What you're describing is an abuse of process. We were meant to be fighting AGAINST tyranny and dictatorship.. not allowing the richest in our land to dip their hands into the pockets of the rest of us when it suited them.
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  1101.  @bradleywiesner3774  Where do you get the idea that you can't own works of art? I suggest you go and attempt to assert your right to see those privately held works of art in Germany that were saved at the expense of the UK taxpayer. Let's know when you're released from custody. P.S I wouldn't "still be mad" if the commies confiscated it. Either way you and I are never going to get to appreciate the beauty of the art work..... the sum difference would have been that the UK taxpayer wouldn't be quite as bankrupted as they already were at the end of WW2.
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  1102. Private removals companies have existed for over 200 years... maybe the Royals should dip their hand into their OWN pockets and pay for the services of such a company rather than into the pockets of UK taxpayers who already pay for their priviliged lifestyles.
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  1103. Ain't it just !!!
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  1104. Not even close.
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  1105. Very wise. Wisdom is not revelling in what you know, but understanding how little we really do know. I'm with you on the "paranormal" scepticism.
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  1106. It wasn't the "Reader's Digest book of Folklore myths and legends of Britain" was it? I was the same.... I used to read that on grey wet and windy weekend afternoons (before the internet arrived) and then couldn't sleep at night for being scared!!!
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  1107. Good call.
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  1108. Common across the world. I worked 30 years in the Fire Brigade... they were CONSTANTLY up to such bollcks in HQ there too... same in ALL large organisations.
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  1109. Albert Pierrepoint used to maange a pub near to where I live up until the early 1970s.... and died in a nursing home in the town where I live about 30 years ago.
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  1110. Probably no further than when it was handed to the RAF to be used as married quarters and messing facilities for RAF Northolt in 1940.
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  1111.  @kenw2225  The murder of millions of innocents tends to attract that "negative" vibe.
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  1112. @Gate-of-Dawn Never rumbled our radar in 1940 though... not as smart as you pretend.
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  1113. The Gentleman to the right of Hitler was M.C Escher. 🤔
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  1114. No problem though, he had nothing else booked in his schedule that day.
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  1115. Do you mean Walrus Simpson?
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  1116. The Swastika flag WAS the state flag of nazi Germany. The German imperial tricolour (black/white/red) was reinstated from 1933 to 1935, and on 15th Sept 1935 the Swastika was adopted as the official flag of nazi Germany.
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  1117. Who?
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  1118. My father was onboard the Royal Navy cruiser HMS Dorsetshire during the "Bismarck saga". He took part in the rescues of the 86 Bismarck sailors that were picked up by her after the sinking. One of the rescued survivors, a badly injured German sailor named Gerhard Lüttich, died on the operating table in Dorsetshire's sick bay that evening. The following morning, 28th May 1941, his body was then "committed to the deep" with full military honours provided by BOTH his German comrades AND sailors from HMS Dorsetshire, with the last post played by a Royal Marine bugler. The remaining surviving crew were treated EXCELLENTLY by the crews of HMS Dorsetshire & HMS Maori, being given the same bunking arrangements as the crew (under guard of course), and provided with 3 hot meals a day for the 4 days they were on board. They were also given Grog (rum and water) which was only normally issued to the RN sailors, the survivors were also provided with sweets, chocolate and cigarettes by the RN crews, and this was just 3 days after the sinking of HMS Hood. Human decency does still exist sometimes in the middle of abject horror.
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  1119. I'm not going to give the the answer you're touting for.
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  1120. Poor little nazi supporting rich kids getting their "stuff" snaffled by the descendents of the peasants who provided their wealth in the first place. As Sergeant Major Williams would say "Oh dear, How sad, Never mind". The lucky benefactors of the war booty should have salted their millions away in the secretive Swiss banking system, where ALL the devious greedheads stash their ill gotten gains.
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  1121.  @rayokas69  Thanks for pointing out my faux pas. "National profiling" then same difference. Worthy of political bigots the world over.
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  1122. Though very much desirable, In reality that was not possible.
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  1123. Why declare war against a country that : 1. You have utterly NO physical means of attacking. 2. Is WIDELY known to be in a temporary alliance with its avowed mortal enemy, an alliance of which it is only a short matter of time before we KNEW that they would be at each other's throats. To have declared war against the USSR would have quickly created an unbeatable alliance between one of the world's foremost military powers and a country with almost limitless natural resources. No, it was FAR more effective to declare war against the clear and present danger of nazi Germany whilst ignoring the USSR to drive a further wedge between them and sew further discord. "softly softly catchee monkey". Luckily smarter people than yourself were directing the western war effort.
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  1124. How did he pay? Apart from being executed and burned.
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  1125. Well they had possession of the execution sites after their invasion of the Soviet Union, so no-one else would have been able to uncover it. Keep in mind that at the same time as this was revealed to the world, the German's own "final solution to the Jewish question" was in FULL swing.
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  1126. National stereotyping at its finest. Dolt.
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  1127.  @dizzybee7386  You do realise that no national leaders have led their armies since Napoleon (and even he was in a tent a few miles behind the real fighting)? I agree with you in principle, in that it would be FAR better if "nobody turned up" for war, or instead we threw the national leaders into a "UFC cage" in a fight to the death while we all cheered them on. But in the real world when people march into your country and start murdering your family, then you have to stand up and fight. Its not a particular fault of Churchill and Roosevelt that WW2 kicked off.
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  1128. Spoken just like adolf Hitler himself. Its why Nietszche wrote... "Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster" or even the bible where in Ephesians 6:12 is written "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places"
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  1129. As opposed to the nazis?
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  1130. Heinrich Himmler.
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  1131. SO the current ongoing power grab of corporate globalism was in no small part funded by the predations of nazism. What Mark describes is part of the very structure of what some people would call the "matrix"... the unseen framework around which modern globalist society revolves and which is always carefully obscured from public view. Well whaddya know !!!! (some of us have known or at least suspected such for a long LONG time).
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  1132. It's all invested with the World Economic Forum, where he was an alumni of the WEF's "Global leaders of the future" program.
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  1133. You forgot to mention how US globalist capital continues to corrupt the previously independent national governments of the west.
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  1134. How silly and naive of you.... ALL political despots want YOU to fight to the last man... NOT themselves.
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  1135. NSDAP > WEF.
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  1136. Don't get mad, get even..... well as "even" as you can.
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  1137.  @j.ceasar  "Ideological similarities"... Be my guest Caesar, you sit staring into your navel waffling on about "ideologies" while the same avaricious power crazed loons fight to enslave humanity under any made up name they choose.
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  1138. Its definitely a branch of corporate globalism. the 21st century's version of "world communism".
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  1139. Erm? At the time of these events the ONLY friend the USSR had were YOUR nazi fanboi heroes !!!!
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  1140. No... Britain was stripped of its wealth and reduced to an American poodle "Special relationship" my arse !!!
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  1141. You're really not that bright are you?
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  1142. Covid? You mean the winter sniffles bug that was used as the pretence to sell trillions of dollars worth of poisonous "vaccines" to the governments of the world... thereby transferring countless billions of dollars from public tax coffers into private corporate accounts? Oh THAT "covid".
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  1143. I wonder if Volkswagen conducted the emissions tests on those old girls.
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  1144.  @JamesRichards-mj9kw  No James, I asked for sources, NOT more unsupported BS.
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  1145.  @JamesRichards-mj9kw  Please give us some source James?
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  1146. Well they did expend millions of their citizens to take the brunt of German military aggression. The US as usual was happy to supply the USSR as a proxy to avoid having to spill anywhere near the same amount of US blood. Show the Soviets some respect when it's due, without them the world would have been a LOT darker place than it is even now.
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  1147. At that point in time British tanks used a jerrycan of water stowed next to the engine exhaust to keep a supply of hot water ready for use when the situation allowed. It wasn't until late in the war that internal "tea-making facilities" were introduced. 🇬🇧🫖🇬🇧🫖🇬🇧🫖🇬🇧🫖🇬🇧🫖
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  1148.  @cameronlamb7274  Yes indeed, equipment and training (especially the "commonwealth air training plan" that provided an ever increasing number of well trained pilots for the RAF) I've never doubted that... it was your word "most" that I queried.
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  1149. "most"? Do you think the UK economy was based on cottage industries?
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  1150. My guess is Mark is overstating a western allied evaluation of the soviet tanks to increase viewership.
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  1151. Please explain your utterly ridiculous notion.
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  1152. Ah yes, that cordial post communist moment, before the US neocon "hawks" reneged on their promise to Moscow NOT to push NATO into eastern Europe.... How did that end up?
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  1153. All the eager wehraboos banging on about "clearly superior" tigers and panthers while COMPLETELY ignoring the fact that that those tanks represented about 5% of nazi tank production. Germans 1,300 tigers 500 tiger II 6,000 Panthers Vs Soviets 35,000 T34-76 49,000 T34-85 6,500 "IS" tanks US 50,000 Shermans British 8,000 Valentines 4,000 Cromwells 2500 Fireflys
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  1154. Or as with capitalism where its the one who will do the job for the least money?
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  1155. Unlikely they were in short supply for ourselves.
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  1156. Yes the efforts of the UK especially are generally ignored and suppressed by modern day media.
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  1157. "Superior"? You mean the tiny numbers of massively over-engineered and unnecessarily complex and difficult to maintain German designs? Maybe as you get older you'll begin to understand firepower and armour aren't the "be all and end all" of capable military fighting vehicles.
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  1158. 3rd line in VERY modified form, but a real trooper nonetheless.
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  1159. As were the T34s.
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  1160. They didn't "HAVE" to supply it... they WANTED to massively profit by SELLING it to everyone. The US developed the technology for high octane fuels (using the compound Tetra-Ethyl-Lead), but were VERY choosy who they sold the production licences to.... The nazis were sold one pre WW2, but strangely enough the British were denied. Ah the joys of geo-politics and the supply of strategic materials.
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  1161. Watch all the fools wasting their cash on that BS.
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  1162. The spread of nazism across Europe was stopped with Soviet Blood, British brains and US industrial might.... take one away and we may have ended up with nazi death camps still operating across Europe and Russia even today.
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  1163. I@m sure if Mark had, we'd have seen the photos plastered all over his productions....does that sound envious of me?
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  1164. Not aware of any German barimetric bomb fuses during WW2. The Americans used a radar altimeter fuse on their atomic bombs to trigger air bursts.
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  1165. The tallboy was designed to penetrate deep into the ground and shake bunkers and bridges to pieces..... blast bombs are specifically designed to explode on the surface and destroy houses and people. Oops !!! Your ignorance is showing.
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  1166. It's not about hiding the event from locals, everyone within 5 miles of the bomb would have known about it.... It is about containment of fear and panic in the wider general public. Every city further bracing itself under the expectation of similar attacks, coupled with the fevered bleatings of "Fleet Street" intentionally hyping up the threat to "increase circulation". You have only to see the effect of uncontrolled media on the general public regarding the nonsense of the last 4 years.
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  1167. More than likely landed back at their base in Northern France an hour later. Who knows if they survived the war, with the losses suffered by the Luftwaffe in Europe and the Mediterranean their chances were slim.
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  1168. Complete BS.
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  1169.  @wingnut71  Respect to the service, memory and sacrifice of your young cousin in 1940. SS Kenbane Head was sunk off the coast of Greenland as part of convoy HX84 by the German armoured cruiser Admiral Scheer . If you search online there are a good few pages covering that dreadful event, so those brave men's service has not been completely forgotten It would not be beyond the realms of possibility that he could still be alive now, aged 102.
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  1170. The academics and bleeding heart upper middle class liberals who bemoan British bombing of Germany later on in WW2 used to sit on their rural terraces of their shire mansions, sipping pink gins and looking at the dull red glow of British cities in the distance being pounded without ever being on the direct receiving end themselves. P.S Respects to your Aunt.
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  1171. Hence the old adage "what goes round comes around".
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  1172. Totally different weapons with a totally different modus operandi. Tallboys / Grand Slams were NOT for city bombing but instead were deep penetration earthquake bombs for individual specialised targets (such as you mentioned German battleships, Geman U-boat pens & other "hardened" targets, and also for hard to hit targets such as railway bridges & canal locks, when it was nigh on impossible to hit the structure, a tallboy or Grand Slam would only have to hit within a hundred yards and would penetrate upto 150 ft under ground before detonation, causing a localised mini "earthquake" which would literally shake target buildings off their foundations and cause then to collapse. And though bombs such as these 5,500lb thin walled, high capacity, surface blast bombs which were designed to explode at ground level for maximum wide surface devastation and killing were eventually used by ALL sides during the war, at the time that these German bombs were first being dropped by the Luftwaffe in 1939/40, the RAF and USAAF did not have even possess such bombs in their inventories. But the Germans soon found out the meaning of the old saying "What goes around, comes around".
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  1173. Yes I also remember that they learned the meaning of "wind & whirlwind".
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  1174. The energy of one of the bombs you name physically hitting the ground would be greater because of course they weighed more and were aerodynamically designed to travel at near supersonic speeds as they hit the ground. Their surface explosive blast and human killing capacity would be less for two reasons, 1. No Tallboy or Grandslam bomb was dropped on populated areas, that wasn't their intended purpose. 2. They were totally different principles of bomb. The Tallboy/Grandslam were relatively low explosive filling ratio, thick walled, deep penetration bombs designed to as you might have guessed penetrate DEEPLY into the earth (over 100ft deep) before detonation to set up earthquake like ground shock waves that would literally shake difficult to defeat buildings such as bridges or fortified bunker complexes to pieces, or at least off their foundations (Tallboy bombs were also used for instance to sink the German battleship Tirpitz, with one "tallboy" literally travelling down through the entire ship and out through her keel before detonation). The German "SC" ("Spreng Cylindrische" literally "explosive cylindrical") bombs were thin walled, high explosive filling ratio surface blast bombs designed to cause the maximum radius of structural damage and death. The British equivalent were prefixed "HC" for "high capacity".
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  1175. Sorry to disappoint you but NOT in 1940 they didn't.
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  1176. Quite possibly. Read about the "battle of the beams".
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  1177. While also denying the enemy VITAL intelligence on the (in)effectiveness of their night bombing guidance systems. DOH !!!
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  1178. "No bombs of this magnitude had been used against the British isles before".... should actually have been "No bombs of this magnitude had EVER been used in aerial warfare before", but as we know the Germans were amongst the pioneers of dropping HE on innocent civilians, hence Arthur Harris' "wind and whirlwind". Each British city will have its own local tragedy during the German bombing during 1940-41. Liverpool 's was the hit on the "Ernest Brown Junior instructional College" on Durning Rd on the night of 28/29th November 1940. The college was hit and collapsed into its cellar where 300 local people where taking shelter, and where the college's large iron central heating boiler was positioned. The casualties died from scalding as well as by crush injuries. 166 bodies were recovered by rescue services but many other people were unaccounted for and were believed to have remained buried under the mountain of rubble when the site was levelled post WW2.
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  1179. And you haven't? Hahahaha
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  1180. The pressure wave from a blast will instantaneously rupture or "pop" all the delicate alveoli (or air sacs) in your lungs like overinflated balloons, with the result that instead of them being filled with the inhaled air that we need to live they will rapidly fill with blood and lymph, and cause you to drown in your own bodily fluids, though as many witnesses will testify the pressure wave will leave very little if any evidence of external injury.
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  1181. Are the US only supplying firecrackers to their poor, duped proxy Ukraine?
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  1182.  @Schlipperschlopper  Its all well and good writing fiction, maybe prefix your novel with "Hey here's some fiction I've written" as opposed to try and pass it off as fact.... that's utter bullshit.
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  1183.  @Schlipperschlopper  No, you're deluded.
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  1184.  @johnmcmickle5685  I know that drogue chutes are used with bombs usually for low level ground attack to allow the aircraft sufficient time to escape the blast, but the high impact speed of the grand slam was desired to increase its penetration capabilities.
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  1185.  @JonKorpi-o9w  Do you think so? World powers still to this day LOVE dropping as many HE bombs as they can carry over poor innocents. Preferable than going straight for the nuclear option, I suppose.
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  1186. Tory what? There is NO "tory" party anymore. If the powers that be tinned dogshit and put a label of "baked beans" on it, would you still eat it?
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  1187. Please explain why you imagine it's "wise" to inform your enemy that his much vaunted "accurate night time bombing system" was being interfered with by British scientists exactly?
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  1188. Think how many German civilians were killed by the INORDINATELY larger amount of AAA rounds fired into the skies over Germany. A postwar audit of the nazi reich AA defences suggested that it took over 16,000 German AA rounds of all calibres to bring down a single allied bomber.
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  1189. To all the commenters complaining about the British govt suppressing news of the blast, please don't highlight your own lack of intelligence. As well as controlling the spread of fear and despondency across the whole of an already embattled and battered nation, why would ANY government openly advertise to the enemy that their "uber" bomb aiming system was so wildly inaccurate, or that is was possibly being defeated by British countermeasures?
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  1190. Meaningless waffle.
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  1191. The first innocent civilian of EITHER side killed by aerial bombing by the opposition in WW2 was a Mr James Isbister who on the 16th March 1940 was killed in the Orkney Islands when luftwaffe bombs scattered over the RN anchorage at Scapa Flow instead hit the village of Bridge of Waithe near to Stenness.
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  1192. See "Wind & whirlwind".
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  1193.  @Killerspieler0815  Oh absolutely !!! I'm British so it makes NO difference to me to highlight the STILL ongoing US corporate directed interference in international affairs. I just like to highlight the context to people who APPEAR to be suggesting sympathy for nazi Germany and the military society of Japan. I know that ALL acts of war are a crime against humanity... but there are no shortage of people attempting to garner sympathy for regimes that showed little sympathy to others. All the best from the UK.
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  1194. Remember what Japan did to China, Korea, Malaysia, Melanesia / Micronesia, Thailand & Burma.
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  1195. No. Completely different type of bomb.
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  1196. You would have had to experience the national loss and bloodletting of the first world war to comprehend the driving determination of most European countries to avoid a repetition of that catastrophe. Hindsight regarding the result of appeasement is a luxury that people of the 1920s and 30s did not have.
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  1197.  @GermanShepherd1983  Please understand that Britain in 1940 saved HERSELF, INSPITE of the US as much as she did BECAUSE of the US. The US happily used her neutrality status to continue trade with BOTH sides of the European war, and was happily dealing with the nazis at the time of the battle of Britain, here's just a few of the big US names who were "balls deep" in business with the nazis upto 1941 and even beyond.... Ford... General Motors.... Standard Oil.... IBM.... Kodak... Chase Bank... to name but a few. ALCOA (The ALuminium COrporation of America) then the world's LARGEST producer of aluminium was supplying so much aircraft grade aluminium to the nazis throughout 1939/41 that it stifled early 1940s US aircraft production and in June 1941 prompted Harold Ickes, the US Secretary of the Interior, to go on record as saying “If America loses this coming war, it can thank the Aluminum Corporation of America”. Prewar, the US Govt had allowed "The Standard Oil of Jersey City" company to sell a production licence for tetra ethyl lead (the anti-knock compound necessary for hi-octane fuels) to the nazis, but then withheld the same licence from the British, Hmmm Nazi sympathies in the Standard Oil boardroom? Or US Govt geopolitics aiming to bleed the British Empire dry? Ford's auto production facility in Cologne and General Motor's Opel subsiduary plant in Berlin were both busy working 24/7 THROUGHOUT WW2 furnishing the nazis with approximately 60% of the Wehrmacht's military transportation needs, as well as a sizeable chunk of the Luftwaffe's aero engine requirements... all the better for attacking Britain with eh, and all the while providing US companies with BILLIONS of dollars in profit, and the US govt with millions of dollars of tax revenue America saved itself, NOT Britain. We saved OURSELVES which included BUYING supplies from the US and overpaying for EVERYTHING we obtained. That's not to say that we don't still love the ordinary US citizen, of course we do, but go easy on the "Yanks did everything" BS.... it sticks in the throats of all the other nations who had fought military tyranny before the US was dragged into WW2 against its will by the nazi's ONLY legal declaration of war during WW2 on 11th Dec 1941.
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  1198. A number of commenters below appear to believe that civilian bombing in general and fire bombing in an attempt to burn a city to the ground in particular was somehow a peculiarly "British approach" to aerial warfare. To them I say read about the German's "Operation Moonlight Sonata", as the UNPRECEDENTED German bombing of the British city of Coventry on the night of 13th/14th Nov 1940 was known. The Germans, using their accurate "X Gerät" radio guidance bombing system placed target markers over the city centre of Coventry and then dropped over 500 tons of high explosive bombs ( a mixture of surface "blast bombs" to demolish property to block access to the narrow old streets of the city centre and to provide a large amount of exposed timbers and combustibles, combined with a hefty sprinkling of deeper penetration bombs to set up blast waves through the underlying ground in order to break and disrupt gas & water mains... broken gas mains for increased combustiblilty and broken water mains to hamper the fire fighting efforts of the British fire services). Once this initial wave of bombers had done their work then flew in further waves of German bombers to scatter 33,000 incendiary bombs together with upto 100 oil filled "Flammenbombe", which the British had not even developed at that point of the war. The WHOLE intended purpose of this "attack profile" (which was subsequently confirmed in post war captured German documentation) was to try to create the world's FIRST aerially generated "firestorm". Where the Germans failed was in the poor coordination of their bomber forces, which meant that during the raid there were a number of lulls where the British firefighters on the ground could move into the city and prevent the joining up of numerous large fires which would otherwise have created an overwhelming sea of fire. The lessons that the British defences learned during German attacks such as these laid the groundwork for Britain's OWN plan of attack when they returned the "favour" to the Germans 3 years later during "Operation Gomorrah" the attack on the city of Hamburg in July 1943. The British achieved what the Germans had attempted but failed to do by their use of a "bomber stream" of well marshalled bomber forces that carried out the same type of attack as that on Coventry but without the lulls in the attack to prevent the German fire service's ability to contain the fire situation. As a result the many large fires created during "Gomorrah" burned uncontained, and consequently joined into an ocean of flame that destroyed Hamburg city centre outright. The Germans failed to burn a city to the ground, NOT because they thought it would be immoral to carry out such an attack in the first place, but SOLELY due to the poor planning of their attempt to create an unprecedented "firestorm".
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  1199.  @CLARKE176  By showing the nazis how to do it properly. They learned the lesson. They've not tried it again.
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  1200. And don't even MENTION the idea of sympathy to the Poles or Russians.
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  1201. The German's "Y Gerät" radio navigation was off by 3000 yards... so much for German propaganda that had previously declared that it had a bomb aiming system that could drop a bomb within 50m of an assigned aiming point anywhere in the UK, and that was for the preceding "X-Gerät" system. Mind you BRITISH boffins had already began to unravel the German's radio navigation system and were using hospital diathermy units to "bend" the German radio beams. Also the modern day SC1000 Exeter blast had been VERY HEAVILY "deadened" with bulk sand deposits, water barrels and other devices to absorb some of it's explosive energy and reduce damage to nearby properties. So as well as being 4 times larger, the SC2500 "Max" would also not have had its blast energy contained in any way. "No bombs of this magnitude had been used against the British isles before".... should have been ""No bombs of this magnitude had EVER been used in aerial warfare before", but as we know the Germans were amongst the pioneers of dropping HE on innocent civilians, hence Arthur Harris' "wind and whirlwind".
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  1202. The Germans were dropping them on civilians FIRST... as they always did.
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  1203. Do you honestly think they could cove rit up locally? Everyone in a 10 mile radius would have heard it. IT was suppressed NATIONALLY to stop the spread of fear and panic.
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  1204. If you look at 4:38, you see all those corrugated iron sheets? They are the remains of individual bomb shelters that were provided by the UK govt for city dwellers, known as "Anderson shelters". A LOT of people in UK suburbs during WW2 purchased, or if they were on a low income were provided with them. When properly constructed and installed (ideally in a back garden, half sunken in the earth with the resultant earth from the hole piled on top of it), they were remarkably good at protecting the occupants (usually 4 but 6 could be crammed into them), but as can be seen in that image a bomb of this size overwhelmed their structural integrity, and left them as twisted wreckage.
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  1205.  @owenmerrick2377  Just type in "battle of the beams" here on YT, there are a lot of videos on the subject. The best documentary regarding it was one I watched about 50 years ago, produced by the BBC (when it produced documentaries worth watching) called "The Secret War" (clips of which are available on YT) it featured MANY interviews with the actual scientists and pilots who were involved in the events.
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  1206.  @owenmerrick2377  Thank you. Just search for "battle of the beams" here on youtube. thaere are LOTS of videos regarding it. All the best.
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  1207. ​ @owenmerrick2377  Thanks. Just type in "battle of the beams" here on youtube... there are plenty of videos about it.
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  1208. You lack basic understanding of the subject.
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  1209. You'd REALLY like that to appear of sound, mature wisdom, but unfortunatley all your post does is highlight your own ignorance. As well as controlling the spread of fear and despondency across the whole of an already embattled and battered nation, why would ANY government openly advertise to the enemy that their "uber" bomb aiming system was so wildly inaccurate, or that is was possibly being defeated by British countermeasures?
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  1210. Mostly from German studies of the activities of the "Kondor Legion" which was the name of the Luftwaffe units sent to assist General Franco in the Spanish civil war.
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  1211. No they didn't. Completely different bombs.
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  1212. No, we were on the unprecedented receiving end first. Hence the marked absence of sympathy for German cities when they got it back a few years later.... The only sympathy comes from upper echelon academics etc who would watch the dull red glow in the night sky as British cities were blitzed from the comfort of their out of the way semi rural suburbs, towns and villages, without EVER being on the direct receiving end.
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  1213. You imagine your post sounds like "wisdom", but as well as controlling the spread of fear and despondency across the whole of an already embattled and battered nation, why would ANY government openly advertise to the enemy that their "uber" bomb aiming system was so wildly inaccurate, or that is was possibly being defeated by British countermeasures?
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  1214. That's INTERNAL bombload. If you look at the thumbnail you will see the SC2500 was carried EXTERNALLY. The Heinkel III could carry 3,600 kg (7,900 lb or TWO SC1800 "Satans", or ONE SC2500) externally.
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  1215. Not quite... the British "cookie" was a smaller version of this ORIGINAL German blockbuster.
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  1216.  @markinglese3874  The pressure wave from a blast will instantaneously rupture or "pop" all the delicate alveoli (or air sacs) in your lungs like overinflated balloons, with the result that instead of them being filled with the inhaled air that we need to live they will rapidly fill with blood and lymph, thereby causing you to drown in your own bodily fluids, though as many witnesses have testified the pressure wave will leave very little if any evidence of external injury.
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  1217. you're comparing apples with oranges, but are too ignorant to know about it.
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  1218. What about it?
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  1219. Do you think US thermonuclear devices are called "kitten" & "fluffy lamb"? Does that make then less evil?
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  1220. Totally different weapons with a totally different modus operandi. Tallboys / Grand Slams were NOT for city bombing but instead were deep penetration earthquake bombs for individual specialised targets (such as you mentioned German battleships, Geman U-boat pens & other "hardened" targets, and also for hard to hit targets such as railway bridges & canal locks, when it was nigh on impossible to hit the structure, a tallboy or Grand Slam would only have to hit within a hundred yards and would penetrate upto 150 ft under ground before detonation, causing a localised mini "earthquake" which would literally shake target buildings off their foundations and cause then to collapse. And though bombs such as these 5,500lb thin walled, high capacity, surface blast bombs which were designed to explode at ground level for maximum wide surface devastation and killing were eventually used by ALL sides during the war, at the time that these German bombs were first being dropped by the Luftwaffe in 1939/40, the RAF and USAAF did not have even possess such bombs in their inventories. But the Germans soon found out the meaning of the old saying "What goes around, comes around".
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  1221. And which German aircraft exactly was going to carry these "10 ton bombs" aloft?
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  1222. A website I stumbled on about Anderson shelters says this. "The first ‘Anderson’ shelter was erected in a garden in Islington, London on 25 February 1939 and, between then and the outbreak of the war in September, around 1.5 million shelters were distributed to people living in areas expected to be bombed by the Luftwaffe. During the war a further 2.1 million were erected. Anderson shelters were issued free to all householders who earned less than £250 a year, and those with higher incomes were charged £7 (The equivalent figures would be around £17,000 and £470 in 2020)."
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  1223. P.S There were also "Morrison shelters" which were designed for use in inner cities where there were no gardens to dig "anderson shelters" into the ground. The Morrison shelter (named after Herbert Morrison, the British "minister of supply") was a flat packed heavy duty steel cage that could be assembled INSIDE a house or flat and positioned in a room (hopefully on the ground floor away from windows) so that if the house collapsed the occupants, (having climbed inside their metal cage when the sirens went off) were secure in their "morrison shelter" and would not be crushed to death but would await rescue by the rescue services.
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  1224. I would imagine that the array and chaos of structural steel, pipes and cables would overwhelm any subtle reading of a human body buried amongst it all... though I'm not an expert on the subject.
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  1225. The difference being that Goebbels had already bragged that the latest German night bombing system could put down "target indicators" within 50m over ANY point in the United Kingdom. He hadn't reckoned with British scientific genius though.
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  1226. "Satan" was the SC1800 the "Max" was the SC2500... stands to reason.
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  1227.  @40hup  test
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  1228.  @tancreddehauteville764  What makes you think it was "the British approach" to burn cities to the ground? Read about the German's "Operation Moonlight Sonata", as the unprecedented German bombing of the British city of Coventry in Nov 1940 was known. The Germans, using their "X Gerät" accurate radio guidance bombing system placed target markers over the city centre of Coventry and then dropped 500 tons of high explosive bombs ( a mixture of surface "blast bombs" to demolish property to block access to the narrow old streets of the city centre and to provide a large amount of exposed timbers and combustibles, combined with a hefty sprinkling of deeper pentration bombs to set up blast waves through the underlying ground so as to break and disrupt gas & water mains... broken gas mains for increased combustiblilty and broken water mains to hamper the fire fighting efforts of the British fire services). Once this initial wave of bombers had done their work then flew in further waves of German bombers to scatter 33,000 incendiary bombs together with upto 100 oil filled "Flammenbombe", which the British had not even developed at that point of the war. The WHOLE intended purpose of this pattern of attack (as was discovered in post war captured German documentation) was to try to create the world's FIRST aerially generated firestorm. Where the Germans failed was in the poor coordination of their bomber forces, which meant that during the raids there were a number of lulls where the British firefighters on the ground could move into the city and prevent the joining up of numerous large fires which would have otherwise created an overwhelming sea of fire. The lessons that the British defences learned during German attacks such as these laid the groundwork for their OWN plan of attack when they returned the "favour" to the Germans 3 years later during "Operation Gomorrah" the attack on the city of Hamburg in July 1943. The British achieved what the Germans failed to achieve by the use of a "bomber stream" of well marshalled bomber forces that carried out the same type of attack as that on Coventry but without the lulls in the attack to prevent the German fire service's ability to contain the fire situation. As a result the many large fires created during "Gomorrah" burned uncontained, and consequently joined into an ocean of flame that destroyed Hamburg city centre outright. The Germans failed by the poor planning of their unprecedented attempt to burn a city to the ground, NOT because they thought it would be immoral to carry out such an attack in the first place.
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  1229.  @40hup  You forgot to mention that the world's FIRST attempt to create an aerially generated "firestorm" was surprise surprise that of the Germans who had EXACLTY that goal in mind for the British city of Coventry on the night of 13/14th Nov 1940. I've provided an explanation of their attack profile in my repsonse above to illustrate their intention. Now you'll understand Harris' "wind and whirlwind" statement.
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  1230.  @tancreddehauteville764  What makes you think it was "the British approach" to burn cities to the ground? Read about the German's "Operation Moonlight Sonata", as the unprecedented German bombing of the British city of Coventry in Nov 1940 was known. The Germans, using their "X Gerät" accurate radio guidance bombing system placed target markers over the city centre of Coventry and then dropped 500 tons of high explosive bombs ( a mixture of surface "blast bombs" to demolish property to block access to the narrow old streets of the city centre and to provide a large amount of exposed timbers and combustibles, combined with a hefty sprinkling of deeper pentration bombs to set up blast waves through the underlying ground so as to break and disrupt gas & water mains... broken gas mains for increased combustiblilty and broken water mains to hamper the fire fighting efforts of the British fire services). Once this initial wave of bombers had done their work then flew in further waves of German bombers to scatter 33,000 incendiary bombs together with upto 100 oil filled "Flammenbombe", which the British had not even developed at that point of the war. The WHOLE intended purpose of this pattern of attack (as was discovered in post war captured German documentation) was to try to create the world's FIRST aerially generated firestorm. Where the Germans failed was in the poor coordination of their bomber forces, which meant that during the raids there were a number of lulls where the British firefighters on the ground could move into the city and prevent the joining up of numerous large fires which would have otherwise created an overwhelming sea of fire. The lessons that the British defences learned during German attacks such as these laid the groundwork for their OWN plan of attack when they returned the "favour" to the Germans 3 years later during "Operation Gomorrah" the attack on the city of Hamburg in July 1943. The British achieved what the Germans failed to achieve by the use of a "bomber stream" of well marshalled bomber forces that carried out the same type of attack as that on Coventry but without the lulls in the attack to prevent the German fire service's ability to contain the fire situation. As a result the many large fires created during "Gomorrah" burned uncontained, and consequently joined into an ocean of flame that destroyed Hamburg city centre outright. The Germans failed by the poor planning of their unprecedented attempt to burn a city to the ground, NOT because they thought it would be immoral to carry out such an attack in the first place.
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  1231.  @tancreddehauteville764  Why do you suggest it was "The British approach" and not "the German approach"? Have a read about "Operation Moonlight Sonata" the Luftwaffe bombing of Coventry on the night of 13/14 November 1940. The Germans first plastered the city with a then unprecedented 650 tons of high explosive blast bombs to shatter buildings thereby providing a plentiful supply of exposed combustibles, mixed with deep penetration "SD" bombs to knock out the underground gas, electricity and water mains and only after that initial attack force had withdrawn then dropped 36,000 incendiary bombs as well as over 100 "Flammenbombe" or "oil bombs" solely with the intention of generating a firestorm. Where the Germans failed in their objective was that their attacks took place scattered over the whole night of 13/14th Nov 1940, with several lulls due to poor German co-ordination of their bomber forces which allowed the fire brigades of Coventry and the surrounding cities to get in and control the spread of the fires thereby preventing them from joining up into one huge conflagration. The fact that the fire storm never developed was down to the inexperience of the German air planners, and the unstinting efforts of the British fire & rescue services, an NOT because the Germans ever stopped to consider that their efforts were in any way immoral. The British learned from their experiences of being on the repeated receiving end of such German attacks to formulate their own response, which they first put into practice with "Operation Gomorrah", which was the RAF firebombing of Hamburg in July 1943.
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  1232. And that coming from a committed anglophobe.
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  1233. Night time & very few rudimentary radar equipped night fighters.
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  1234. These and the slightly smaller SC1800 WERE the ORIGINAL "blockbusters". The very first ones developed by any supposedly civilised country... y'know without precedent. At the time the Germans were dropping these weapons the British were using 250lb general purpose bombs. (TWENTY TWO times smaller than the SC2500), Britain at that point had not though it necessary to develop such weapons, and had not developed the aircraft to carry them in 1940. Not to worry though... it did initiate the ALLIED program to develop such bombs and the required "delivery systems". What the Germans first thought of dropping on heavily populated areas was repaid to them many times over. They've not tried anything similar since..... lesson learned.
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  1235. Don't be silly. Show me a country who made its civilian factories in the countryside miles away from the workforce needed to man the factories. Factories were ALWAYS built with workers housing nearby if not adjacent. The factories were mostly prewar civilian industry, repurposed on the outbreak of war for military purposes. Remember "Occam's razor" and don't look for ridiculous conspiracies where none exist.
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  1236. Video starts at 1:37
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  1237. " England missed the chance to be the driving force in europe after WW2 and not france ". What chance? We were COMPLETELY bankrupted by saving Europe.... what thanks do we get? European globalists ship the brown tide to us daily now....
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  1238. "let it go.... let it gooooooo".
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  1239. Its what happens when globalist puppets are insinuated into a once democratic government, in as muxch the same way as has happened to the US govt, and all the governments of the west !!!!
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  1240. Please tell me which developed countries can feed themselves without international trade?
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  1241. You're not "dying for ungrateful Europeans" you're dying for US business interests and NOTHING else... Time to wake up !!!
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  1242. I'm glad. Spend more on the other things that build a society. The "MIC" has had it too good for too long. We've already bankrupted ourselves and sacrified the creme of 2 generations of our manhood TWICE in the service of Europe during the last 100 years, and have been derided ever since. Let the other's do the fighting this time.
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  1243. complete arse gravy.
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  1244. Bang on the money there hq !!! the great sleeping masses are COMPLETELY unaware that the UK army now has a unit specifically tasked with stalking social media to "adjust atitudes" and push the agenda of the globalist puppet westmonster assembly online.
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  1245. We've done our bit TWICE in the last 100 years... let the other's take the strain this time... then 100 years from now we can laugh at and deride THEM for a change !!!!
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  1246. bout time you repaid us !!!!
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  1247. Gradual replacement of the indigenous costs money y'know !!!
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  1248. Don't you know? "Elites" TELL the rest of us how to live. They don't abide by the same rules themselves !!! Look at the exorbitant use of private jets and the colossal "carbon footprints" of those in power, while they plan to feed bug burgers and restrict the use of transportation and resources by the rest of us.
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  1249. They're immune to feelings of guilt when opulence and spendour are on the menu.
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  1250. Bought from "reputable" people... as opposed to the looting from everyone else.
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  1251. "Land of Hope & Glory"
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  1252.  @JD-rt5sd  They're not.... really.. trust me on this.
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  1253. There's an AMAZING new invention known as "the internet" which enables you to find out information for yourself, or if not find out, then point you in the right direction to carry out your own research. "Give a man a fish and feed him for a day" so to speak.
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  1254. Oh dear.
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  1255.  @makarovski89  The German army in 1941 had no man portable anti tank weapons such as panzerfaust or panzershreck. The idea that hundreds of German troops cannot neutralise a single tank (and what a surprise a mediocre AMERICAN tank at that) is simply a Hollywood wargasm.
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  1256. The Sherman in 1944 was NOT a KV1 in 1941.
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  1257. That must've been one HOT pan of Borscht !!!
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  1258. "KV - "Kliment Voroshilov" the Soviet Defence commisar at the time of the development of the tank.
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  1259. I'm guessing he has too much common sense.
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  1260. Not seen any aliens utilising the DB 610, Me 210, Biber minisub, or Maus tanks. Germany produced just as much wasteful shite as other countries.
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  1261. How is the kid supposed to look? Do you normally find hilarity in the idea of kids being blinded, maimed and killed? Believe me THOUSANDS have been across the world. Maybe find something more suitable to laugh at?
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  1262. It was produced by Euston Films which was a private production company that sold its product to the ITV network on the UK in the mid to late 1970s. The BBC even in the days when it was a top quality producer and not constantly pumping out globalist agenda laden propaganda and lies was not involved with its production.
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  1263. It was an east coast port, that also was a centre for trawlers helping to provide food to the UK population, as well as a caravan of love. PS Does "The Piper Club" still exist?
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  1264. Did you ever see the "UFO"? or was that Bentwaters?
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  1265. The US neocons have gotta supress the opposition somehow... these people trying to live their own lives in terrible conditions are not gonna supress themselves are they?
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  1266.  @hannahdyson7129  Correct, but rest assured there are FAR more US munitions spread around the globe than Russian.
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  1267. While I understand your sentiment, I think the UK & US would be sunk financially if they had to deal with the millions of tons of dangerous military detritus that their empires have left scattered across the globe. Western Europe, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Aghanistan, Kuwait, Iraq, North Africa & the middle east, various military excusrsions into central America, Malaya, Aden, Suez, as well as the leftovers of the BILLIONS of dollars worth of weapons sold to their proxies in Africa and South & central America and the middle east, as well as various sunken naval assets that are still to this day both chemically and radioactively contaminating the world's seas. The US is currently adding Ukraine to their long LONG list of foreign countries they've fouled up with their supplying of cluster bombs to their current favourite Eastern European proxy. Thats not to say we're the only countries who are guilty, but if the "clear up the mess you're responsible for" idea came to fruition, believe me the US & UK would be MASSIVE "net losers" of such a scheme. I think it'd be better if we left that particularly unpleasant can of worms unopened.
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  1268.  @tristanjager4112  First German bombs dropped on the British mainland? 16th October 1939 saw the very first bombs dropped on Britain when the Germans launched scattered air attacks on the port facilities of Rosyth and industrial facilities around the Scottish city of Edinburgh. First bombs dropped by the RAF on German soil? 19th March 1940... When on 13th November 1939 the luftwaffe bombed RAF Sullom Voe a seaplane base with port facilities in the Shetland Isles (with the resultant death of a rabbit, and no hits on the 9 seaplanes or 2 RN vessels stationed there), the RAF retaliated by hitting the nazi seaplane base at Hörnum on the island of Sylt in the North Sea. These were THE VERY FIRST RAF bombs to land on German soil....5 months AFTER the first German bombs had landed on British soil. The first British or German civilian casualty caused by the bombing of the opposing side during WW2? 16th March 1940 when German bombs hit the village of Waithe on Orkney during an attack on the Home Fleet anchorage at Scapa Flow, which killed a 27 year-old County Council employee, James Isbister (luckily, his wife, baby son, and the neighbour James was endeavouring to rescue from her bombed cottage all survived). First British bombs to drop on the actual German mainland? 11th May 1940, when the British air ministry for the first time allowed the bombing of railway yards, communication centres and bridges west of the Rhine River as interdiction of German supply lines for the German assault into the NEUTRAL Low countries and France on 10th May 1940. Previous to this date the British air ministry in an effort to stop the spreading of the conflict had refused to allow the RAF to drop ANY bombs on the German mainland, instead the RAF supplied the German demand for toilet paper by dropping propaganda leaflets on German cities. This attack on 11th May 1940 had also come after REPEATED attacks against RN installations on the British mainland, most notably at Rosyth near Edinburgh, and the Cromarty Firth, both in Scotland throughout the winter of 1939/40. First British bombs dropped EAST of the Rhine River? 23/24th August 1940. This attack ostensibly directed at the Klingenberg Power Station in Eastern Berlin & Templehof airport was in RETALIATION for REPEATED luftwaffe raids on RAF stations within the suburbs of Greater London throughout July and August 1940 that had already caused HUNDREDS of innocent British civilian deaths & casualties (euphemistically known nowadays as "collateral damage") this was inspite of Hitler's previous decrees that no bombs should be dropped within the boundaries of Greater London. Obviously that decree had never reached the ears of Herman Goering. German retaliation for the one night of bombing of Berlin on 23/24th August 1940? The launching of the all out assault against British cities from 7th sept 1940 onwards, culminating in the world's first attempt to create a firestorm during operation "moonlight sonata" on the British city of Coventry on the night of 14/15th Nov 1940, where the luftwaffe sent 575 bombers using their world beating "X-gerat" bombing system (in the Germans own words capable of placing "target indicator" flares with an accuracy of 50 meters at 200 miles range) over the civilian city centre of Coventry dropping 550 tons of high explosive (including hundreds of "flammen" (oil) bombs) followed by over 30,000 incendiary bombs. The final death toll of that single raid? A previously unheard of 568 innocent civilians, this was in addition to the thousands of other British civilians already killed in other cities across Britain over the previous 2 months. The first British bombing raid directly targetted at German civilians? "Operation Abigail" on the night of 16/17th December 1940, (3 months AFTER the opening of the nazi "blitz" on British cities) the Dec 16th attack by the RAF was launched against the German city of Mannheim where 100 RAF bombers dropped 100 tons of HE and 14,000 incendiaries inflicting a death toll on the German population of 34 dead and 81 injured. Not to worry though , the RAF eventually "upped its game" and showed the Germans how to do it properly a year or two later. Don't try to hide the fact that the Germans enjoyed dropping HE on the cities of its neighbours from the earliest days of flight. Germany's first aerial bombs were dropped from a zeppelin raid on Liege in Belgium on 6th August 1914... just 11 years after the invention of powered flight. Since WW2, they've learned the lesson NOT to do it again. Notice all the way through the above timeline the repeated pattern of initial unprovoked German attacks on Britain FOLLOWED by a British response. As Arthur Harris alluded.... "As ye sow, so shall ye reap".
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  1269.  @neilturner6749  Only those on the east coast worry... here on the west I live on the coast... well at least I used to, the "coast road" now hardly ever sees the sea such is the tidal deposition of silt. Grass now grows where the beach used to be, and the "Rough guide" tourism book once described our town as "a town so boring that even the sea refuses to visit it" !!!
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  1270. Plenty of ordinary people are outraged by their use... espcially as we would be more likely to be subject to that usage. Its the politicos in their militarily defended bubbles that sprinkle them around with gay abandon. Protected as they are by the latest arms that the military industrial complex can design to empty the public coffers of world's nations.
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  1271.  @nikolajovanovic7419  You mean to say that NATO once intended to counteract the spread of communism into western Europe is now merely an arm of the US corporate directed effort to establish US hegemony over the planet?
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  1272. It's believed that if you so much as LOOK at a swastika nowadays you will IMMEDIATELY be driven to goose step into your neighbour's house before seeking further "lebensraum" in number 29 down the road, next to the corner convenience store.
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  1273.  @Pygar2  Nowadays they're just useful "handles" to label the globalists with. The old political spectrum of "left" & "Right", "Republican" & "Democrat", "Socialist" & "capitalist" are now just a smoke screen to hoodwink the masses into thinking that there are viable political choices and alternatives when the reality is that ALL western mainstream political parties are globalist puppet "front organisations" financed by the filthy corrupting finanacial power of global corporations. Name me a major western party that is proposing an major alternative political strategy? When all parties are proposing the same manifestos, you have dictatorship dressed up as democracy.
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  1274.  @Rehunauris  PLease tell me where the Russians have used cluster bombs on the US? Maybe if Finland were dropping them on the Russians we could all laugh at the poetic justic that would be... but don't equate the US using their proxies to surround and attack Russia in their bid to further the corporate globalist US hegemony and do their dirty work for them with "poetic Justice".
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  1275. The US Neocons have gotta spread their world hegemony somehow.... those Russkis aren't gonna kill themselves !!!!
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  1276. Heard of "Wind and Whirlwind"?
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  1277. Both are interchangeable as Germany was at the time a one party dictatorship, hence "nazi Germany".
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  1278. "Canister" rounds...VERY nasty.
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  1279. The problem being that for the purposes of their invasion plans the Germans needed to use the same airfields and port installations to mount their projected conquest of Britain. Damage your enemy while at the same time defeating your own plans. Not the way that wars are won.
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  1280. You say Alooominum We say Alum IN eyum.
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  1281. No.
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  1282.  @supremeownage8995  A simpler way of explaining it would be that the electrical fuse circuit for detonating the bomb would often have more than one switch in series within it. For the bomb to detonate would need all switches within the fuse to be activated. One switch is simply controlled by a delay mechanism, either electrical or mechanical, and the second switch is either a motion activated "trembler" switch , or some other type of switch which could be operated by magnetism, sound or even in a small number of cases a light sensitive switch. The initial timer device stops the second switch from operating until after the bomb or mine has landed. Various mechanisms can quite easily achieve the "delay" part of the activation. A simple clockwork mechanism activated as the bomb leaves the aircraft that switches on the 2nd switch only after the bomb has landed is one method, another similar method is to have an electrical circuit that is turned on within the fuse as the bomb leaves the aircraft that trickle charges the fuse so that it only holds sufficient charge to detonate the device after it has landed, and then a secondary switch such as a small sensitive spring loaded "trembler" in the fuse is the trigger waiting to detonate the bomb. And finally there were in addition to the fuse what are called "anti handling devices" such as the German "ZUS-40" which was a secondary trigger hidden underneath the primary fuse that meant even after the fuse had been deactivated, when it was removed from the bomb casing, the "anti handling device" would then operate and detonate the bomb. Of course there were incidents when the bomb impacted awkwardly and actually broke apart, that could lead to the fuse being damaged and made inoperable, but it could also simply break the bomb casing and cause the explosive filler to spill from the bomb, but the fuse itself may still have been fully functional, in which case the BD operative would still have to defuse the empty casing because the fuse itself had an integral small explosive device that is used to trigger the bomb, that even without the explosive filling surrounding it was still capable of killing people within a few yards. And of course there were a very small number of fuses that were simply faulty... but of course all fuses would be considered and treated as fully functional until proven otherwise. Naval mines, instead of having an initial timed delay switch had what is called a "hydrostatic valve" which was a switch which only operated when the mine was below a certain depth of water and it was then switched on by the water pressure... when the mine was dropped in water deep enough the hydrostatic valve then activated a secondary magnetic or acoustic switch waiting for a ship to pass by near enough to activate the second switch. In case the mine drifted onto dry land or was exposed at low tide, there was also a normal trembler switch which detonated if anyone tried to move or interfere with the mine. In fact the first German magnetic mine that was defused by the British in 1940 was in part due to the German armourer who forgot to remove a safety pin from the trembler fuse installed into the device as it was loaded into the Luftwaffe bomber.
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  1283. A combination of bomblets. Direct action to damage the surroundings to kill, and create rubble through destruction of buildings etc, with a healthy sprinkling of delayed action bomblets that will naturally be scattered amongst the debris of the other bombs, which will kill anyone who attempts to move in to clear or repair the damage caused by the direct action bomblets. Thats why they're commonly known as "Area denial Weapons".
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  1284. Never seen ANY record of this happening. I'd be interested if Mark could throw some light on it.
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  1285. Although a century earlier they had been the best of friends.
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  1286. Are you sure you even EXIST !!!
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  1287. Unfortunately for the human race theire's not as much profit and personal gain in that field of endeavour.
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  1288. Tanks.... Submarines... aircraft.... trains... Steam boilers.... torpedoes... the list goes on and on.
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  1289. Better than a "blockbuster"..... now where's that brush?
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  1290. Why? They were FLATTENED by our own military prowess, ingenuity and industrial might.
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  1291.  @hannahdyson7129  Your evidence of such use? Did it come from US globalist media outlets by any chance?
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  1292. Whaddya expect when nazis had been scattering unprovoked high explosive over the indepedent nations of Europe since 1937?
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  1293. A good point, but them being an "area denial" weapon would mean that the invading German forces would ALSO not be able to use the vital port facilities or airfields that had been liberally scattered with these devices.
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  1294. So what about rescue workers digging into the ruins of a home to rescue the occupant... you move a broken joist that happens to dislodge an unseen submunition and the rescue team and rescuee are maimed and killed? Your own lack of comprehension makes me SMH !!!
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  1295. Well the Germans do come third in the world rankings for murderous totalitarian regimes, after China and the now defunct USSR.
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  1296. Not the same at all.... A canister round immediately clears a blast area of troops and is then spent. Cluster bombs scatter a mixture of bomb types, both instant acting to cause immediate death and destruction and also a fair number of delayed action bomblets that sneakily hide amongst the rubble created by the other bombs, just witing to kill and maim anyone who tries to enter the affected area. Its why they are now commonly known as "area denial weapons".
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  1297. combatants ALWAYS look for any form of "feedback" on tactics and weapons.
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  1298. The Germans sprinkled them wherever they felt like, and then come over all soft and innocent when those they had bombed first returned the "favour" in spades.
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  1299. AONB in the UK at least means "Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty".
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  1300. I'm guessing that's why Mr Felton has prodcued this video.
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  1301. But the military industrial complex of the US / globalists would not make a THOUSANDTH as much profit if they were to do that. The idea is to make a war drag on for as LONG as possible to maximise the profits for the corporate board memebers and shareholders.
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  1302. If Mark was to criticise the US centric globalist MIC he would likely find his channel being closed down or demonetised.
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  1303. Let's hope you uncover one personally soon.
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  1304. Not to worry... the US neocons will sleep easily at night.... the deaths of tens of thousands of children of the "lower classes" is something to be laughed about over a lavish dinner at taxpayers expense.
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  1305. Britain are as well? I thought it was just those fun loving democrat peaceniks the Yanks?
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  1306. Really? While they had some weapon designs that were "cutting edge" they also fielded "modern" Battleships built to WW1 designs and "cutting edge" submarines that were so poorly assembled that they sank when placed in water? "decades ahead" in some small aspects, "miles out of their depth" in so many others.
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  1307. You're not trying to deflect from the heinous US neocons supplying their eastern European proxies with thousands of the very same weapons are you?
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  1308. Its not forgotten... the US Neocons just couldn't wait any longer to be showering yet ANOTHER foreign country in their heinous weaponry.
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  1309. Joe Biden and his buddies busy supplying them to their proxy forces in eastern Europe. The whole stagemanaged war being orchestrated to continually drain the financial resources of sovereign nations and push them ever further into the financial control of corporate globalism.
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  1310. Hahahaha... poor sod.
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  1311.  @GeoDracu  They're just the ones that like the limelight... We could only ever GUESS at the personal wealth of the German industrialists like the Krupps and Thyssens.
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  1312. Those at the top of the military industrial complex both thten and now keep their financial affairs very well guarded.
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  1313. Teachers are now there to make you not think. The genuinely intelligent do their own widely based thinking and research, and come to a well balanced view piont.
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  1314. Not always.
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  1315. Quick question... Are there any "rotary winged aircraftW that are NOT helicopters or autogyros?
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  1316. Bought up and subsumed by the US "coke" corporation.
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  1317. The manual of mine clearing was written by the same feller who wrote the sky divers handbook. Hugo Furst.
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  1318. "Canister" shot has been around for centuries... but is NOT a cluster munition, which scatters a mix of direct and delayed action bomblets over an area.
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  1319. Nah... rich people make a SHITLOAD of money from providing the weapons that governments then order their sheep like populations to fire at each other.
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  1320.  @Ulster_George  I'm well aware of the difference between GB & UK. Just give over with the "offence" nonsense.
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  1321.  @Saor_Alba  I know perfectly well the differences, just wondered what your point was?
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  1322. So what?
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  1323. Where was that said?
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  1324. If you'd like to read about another ingenious Teutonic technological death dealer, than have a read about the German "S mine". An antipersonnel mine that if you stepped on the almost invisible whiskered fuse that barely poked out above ground level then the device would wait a few seconds before a small charge blew the mine out of the ground to a height of about 3 or 4 ft before the main charge which was surrounded by hundreds of ball bearings would detonate killing anyone within 20 meters (66 ft) and could inflict casualties within 100 meters (330 ft). US troops nicknamed them "Bouncing Bettys". As an extra surprise, like many mines it could also be arranged to activate by a "tripwire" as well as the option to fit a hidden "anti handling" device to set it off if anyone tried to carefully dig it out and lift it. Those sneaky fecking Germans eh?
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  1325. "Wind and Whirlwind". Are you expecting sympathy for Germany? Hahahaha.
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  1326. Yes why not use a 1.1kg lump of high explosive to detonate 225 grams of high explosive. Ever heard of using a sledgehammer to crack a walnut? Maybe you could use a small thermonuclear device to rid the entire area of bomblets in one go?
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  1327.  @nazrat1st  Yes industry, and a major transportation centre to the rapidly encroaching eastern front.... Don't be looking for sympathy or an apology from me.... I don't fall for current lefty handwringing. I sleep soundly at night. I remember the people of Guernica, Warsaw, Rotterdam, London and 50 other British towns and cities.
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  1328. The takeaway lesson being.... "Dont go around bombing everyone else first then".
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  1329.  @unionjack8463  I've obviously heard of all the individual words plus, Believe it or not, the "Home guard" (Formerly the LDV - Local Defence Volunteers who were colloquially known as "Look, Duck & Vanish"). Just never a Home Guard bomb disposal unit. Well scripted movies, TV programs, books written by the people involved and a copy of the British WW2 War Office's own Bomb disposal handbook, as well as a small collection of deactivated WW2 German bomb and shell fuses.
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  1330.  @unionjack8463  I've got a more than average knowledge of German WW2 fuses, and the devices and techniques that were used to defuse them... I've just never heard of "Home Guard bomb disposal technicians" before.
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  1331. The small but significant difference being that the Soviet version were incendiaries that all burst on impact and spread fire across the area. The Germans cunningly made theirs a fiendish combination of direct impact detonation, delayed action detonation and, distubance detonation.
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  1332.  @Pillboxer1940  I was born and have lived in England the whole of my nearly 60 years. You do realise after the Dunkirk evacuation that Southern and Eastern England were heavily fortified in preparation for a potential German landing? With wooden poles, trenches, derelict cars and farm machinery along with steel cables stretched across open spaces where enemy aircraft could land (not forgetting the thousands of pillboxes, anti tank obstacles and other defensive works that were also carried out in record time). Dont't forget during the German invasion of the Netherlands the German air transport fleet had lost over 50% of their JU 52s, and would not have been able to sustain similar losses in Britain and still been able to maintain any meaningful supply capability. Search about "British anti invasion defences". A particularly good book on the subject is "Operation Sealion - How Britain crushed the German war machine's dreams of invasion in 1940" by Leo McKinstry.
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  1333.  @Pillboxer1940  The wide open steppes of the USSR allowed the luftwaffe transport aircraft to land just about anywhere on makeshift airfields? Not as easy in Southern England where colossal collective monocultures where unheard of. Small hedge and wall bound fields... liberally sprinkled with anti landing posts and other obstacles made impromptu landings highly dangerous and often impossible. Captured airfields in the south of England would have been vital for German resupply.
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  1334. How were the Germans then supposed to access the very same airfields and ports that they themselves would have needed to conduct a successful military invasion?
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  1335.  @БогданБеркут  "and did not even have 5 thousand people"? I refer you to 5:39.
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  1336. Want to discover a LARGE part of the Ukrainian loathing of communism? Look up the world "Holodomor".
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  1337.  @JanHenk-gp3mn  Let me further relieve you of your ignorance. General Maczek was not a prisoner of the UK, and was free to leave at ANY time he liked, but like hundreds of thousands of other Poles he instead he took full advantage of the safe refuge that was kindly provided to him by the UK and lived out a long and full life here, apparently not as unhappy with his life in Britain as YOU believe he should have been. Utter nonsense regarding Potsdam insisting on the return of "all soviet citizens". How would that account for the near 300,000 Poles who lived in the UK after WW2? NO Poles were forcefully repatriated, tartars and cossacks yes, but then who wants to give a refuge to nazi servicemen who WEREN'T from the country we had gone to war over? The "Galicians" were solely saved by their Polish heritage and then some of them were immorally used by the UK govt intelligence services to oppose communism in Europe... we were just another western country who made the same decision. Why one country even used them to send a man to the moon.
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  1338. Who "got rid of the Poles"? The reason they "Galician" SS were allowed to stay in Britain was because they were prewar Polish citizens. Who along with nearly 300,000 other Polish ex service personnel were given full UK citizenship in 1947 by the UK Govt's "1947 Polish Resettlement Act". Please, there's no need to thank me for ridding you of your total clueless ignorance.
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  1339.  @pferdekopfmitpferdezopf7287  Go polish your "Hitlerjugend" dagger kid.
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  1340. Just install an adblocker and be done with the corporate advertising BS completely.
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  1341. Yes "dumbing down" is an unfortunate fact of life to cater for modern day "kidults".
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  1342. It's globalist/WEF bought and paid for government maybe, as for the people? No different from anywhere else.
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  1343. Even though it did.
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  1344. You're still buttsore though :)
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  1345. Nothing our RN couldn't handle.
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  1346. It wasn't Joe Brooks was it?
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  1347. They slowly disarmed the population over the years. We quietly acquiesced, and now the globalist puppets in the former UK parliament where all the mainstream political parties are "pissing in the same pot" have now reduced the country to a police state in all but name. With regard to firearms they introduce firearm legislation by the "ordo ab chao" method. Piss poor policing of totally workmanlike firearms regulations, allowing an unhinged character to possess firearms and wipe out a class room of school kids, the solution? The banning of handguns from private ownership. Gun crime in the UK has never been higher... but there are less and less legally held firearms year on year.
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  1348. Too right Sam. The fuckers KNOW they've now got us all over a barrel. Need to have some of these politicos decorating lamposts around Westeminster and the White house.
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  1349.  @1pcfred  Deluded or WHAT !!! Please explain how Germany was "sucked into" annexing Austria, invading Czechoslovakia and conquering Poland? You sound like the type of asshat that accuses the good Samaritan who accosts a serial killer as "the aggressor".
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  1350.  @grease_monkey6078  6 million jews exterminated in 4 years IS quite an especially concerted, nay industrial effort, only equalled , then surpassed by 20th centruy communism. Mentioning Britain, France and Italy in the same league is dubious.
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  1351. When fascism reared its head in Germany during the 1920s it was warmly welcomed by a large proportion of the German population, as witnessed by the 43% of the national vote achieved by the nazi party during the 1933 general election. When fascism likewise reared its head in the UK, it was roundly laughed at, ridiculed and sidelined by the vast majority of British people, more often than not the British Union of Fascists "lost its deposit" at by-elections, whenever it attempted to send its representatives into the British government. I know which country I love more.
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  1352. It was raised from the Goodwin Sands off the Kent coast, but it will NEVER be in flying condition, it was the rotten skeleton of the Do17 that was recovered.
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  1353.  @frankpohl4377  When you say you attached a magnetic mine to the underside of a passing tank, how was the mine subsequently detonated? P.S your English seems very good.
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  1354. Nice post Frank, just one question, how were the magnetic tellermines fused?
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  1355. "They didn't just hand these out to anyone"... maybe not in the early war years... but by 1944-45 the feeling was "why let the allies capture all our stocks... lets get them out there to shore up morale". At war's end you got an Iron cross first class for making it to the bomb shelter intact.
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  1356.  @owensmith7530  You do realise that your "awareness" of "no long term statistical rise in cancers" runs contrary to World Health Organisation stats (Although admittedly the veracity of WHO stats themselves opens up a whole new argument, an argument I find too boring to get into after the last 2 years of flu nonsense). I'm with you in one sense in that I don't live my life in fear of cancer or of "after effects" of being exposed (as millions were) to the low level radioactivity after Chernobyl, and I'm also keenly aware of how the media just LOVE to scare the "sheep". But to attempt to dismiss the whole of the precautions taken (which were solidly advisable in the circumstances) following that disaster was a little over enthusiastic on your behalf.
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  1357. I was thinking how Karl Frank resembled Biden.
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  1358. BS
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  1359. Hmmm is that not the point? US world hegemony.
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  1360. What ready for the NEXT globalist puppet?
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  1361. Vacuums need to be filled, better to fill it with YOUR ideology and influence rather than someone elses. Germany's reconstruction as well as that of western Europe was underwritten by the new dominant global force.... The USA. Read about the "Marshall Plan".
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  1362.  @markmonaghan2309  The de-education of the masses continues on as it has done for the last 40 years.
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  1363. While I also have nothing but disdain for the "royals" Do you think republicans would be ANY different?
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  1364. Never realised the Royal family actualy staffed the tourist tat counter !!!!
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  1365. Decayed after a few centuries as the world's premier power. Better a lifetime as a Brit than an eternity as a Belgian.
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  1366. For all Mark's knowledge and historical research he seems to be a bit short in the "how things really are" dept. It's not just the royal family (who have always suffered the peasants as much as they can bear in order to be showered with the hosepipe of public cash known as the "civil list") but the entire "establishment" that is at war with the British public. I suggest if Mark would like some better treatment he should climb off an inflatable dinghy at Dover, possess no assets or documentation, and profess to not speak English, this will guarantee him preferential treatment in many walks of British life nowadays, while those who have worked and contributed their whole lives to the society we had created are, as Mark found out here, treated like pariahs in our own country. P.S I wouldn't advise a trip to Osborne House on the Isle of Wight either. A similar sort of set up, orchestrated to lever the maximum amount of cash from the maximum crush people who paid for the place, for the least amount of courtesy or value in return. In the post war period it was the communist left that had haughtily ensconced themselves in the "redbricks" that had inculcated the loathing of the general public into the "establishment", today that has been cosmetically transformed into the corporate globalist financed form of snobbery that now runs our country and education system. Growing like the fungus it emulates in its "slime though the institutions". The upper classes are notorious for their hatred of the "Oiks", sorry to tell you Mark, but that's exactly what you, I and the rest of us are to these cnuts. It's not the buildings that are a disappointment, far from it, but the disgusting treatment by management and their largely mouthbreathing staff that can barely hide their disdain for the "punters".
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  1367. That's called "wisdom". The only problem being is that you probably feel the same way about the globalist puppet "republics" with the Macron / Trudeau / Biden puppet shitfest every few years.
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  1368. Sorry they weren't able to bolt any "media screens" onto the dolmens to cater for your goldfish sized intellect.
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  1369. Some of us would like to see what we & our ancestors have paid for.... unfortunately we then get charged to view "our" property. King Charles or Joe Biden..... what a SHIT choice. My vote would be "none of the above".
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  1370. If you'd like another "tourist trap to avoid" I can name you two from personal experience. "Jorvik" in York. As a child of the 60s 70s I remember the associated televised widespread archaeology that was carried out on the viking remains of York city centre. A few years back I took the family for a week in York and booked a visit to "Jorvik" Thinking it would be a great history trip for my young kids that would probably occupy a full afternoon at least. Arrived to find a single shop front, which let into a SMALL gallery of items, then a short (I mean about 30 foot) sit in ride showing some animatronic scenes of Viking York, which emptied out into a second SMALL gallery, the far door from that gallery led into the extensive "gift shop", and back out onto the street. The whole thing lasting about 45 minutes, and that was stretching it. Also Save your money and give "Mother Shipton's cave" a miss as it is possibly one of the earliest "unsuspecting tourist traps" in the world. 10 years back it was £35 for a family of 4 to take a 1 hour walk through some lacklustre woods, with the "cave" itself being a hollowed out cement lined "scoop" in the river bank. Dreadful
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  1371. I'm no royalist, but god forbid we have a presidency.... What? all that Biden / Trump BS where the richest political contributors buy the head of state his place at the World Economic Forum table? No thanks.
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  1372. Do you honestly think so? Aww bless... such innocence.
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  1373.  @Pantherking916  I'm glad you accept that. Now to see how the US corporate globalist variety pans out.
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  1374. Whats your view of the imperialism of every other country in the world?
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  1375. That moment when a person with sufficient self-respect realises how they are viewed by their "masters".
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  1376. Well we have a globalist puppet government that pisses in our faces, we might as well go for the globalist appointed head of state as well.
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  1377. Some of us Brits like to see what we & our ancestors have paid for.
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  1378. They have to allow the "riff-raff" in for a period during the year to have access to the ever dwindling "public purse" (UK Taxpayers funds) for the no-expense spared maintainance of THIER architectural assets.... even though WE paid for it all.
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  1379. NO, what we got for "winning the war" was an absence of nazi death camps in the Pennines and the Scottish Highlands.
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  1380. They don't worry about "bills".... the UK taxpayer has them covered.
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  1381. ABOSLUTLEY. Charlie too is as deep in the pocket of the corporate globalists just as the national governments of "the west" are.
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  1382. The difference being that our royal palaces were built at the expense of the UK taxpayers over the centuries, the incumbents don't OWN it, they are there solely by OUR consent, and yet treat us like shit on their shoes.
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  1383.  @theoneandonlysoslappy  A "game" that unless you're constantly putting money into the pockets of the creators is rigging your MM and RNG against you. Here's a rundown of Wargaming's playerbase Skill + cash = Unicum Skill + no cash = Moderate Success No skill + Cash = Moderate Success No skill + No cash = Majority of player base I prefer my games to have no benefit for pumping cash into them such as buying cosmetics or even a subscription model, but with the game itself being a level playing field. WG is by its inbuilt mechanisms CLEARLY "pay to win". If you can't see that its more a reflection of you rather than me. I'm speaking as someone who played it from beta and racked up +50k games before choosing not to ignore my own wisdom anymore. If you enjoy it, go right ahead its your life..... but leading those less worldly into its web is questionable.
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  1384. The British allowed the nazi regime to sink millions of reichmarks and 2 years of effort into the building of "Valentin"... only to then destroy it with 10 ton grand slam bombs 1 months before it was due to start operation in the assembly of type XXI u-boats. It was only discovered after the war that possibly as many as 6000 slave labourers of the nazis had died in the construction of the sub bunker.
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  1385.  @rinkashikachi  Why would I need to "elaborate" in response to your uninformed non argument above? I used the level of intellect that your respone warrantted. If you'd like some "elaboration" then please read on. The Type XXIs while SUPPOSED to be "wonder weapons" were in reality dreadfully cobbled together leaky pieces of junk. 119 were ordered and built but due to the APPALLING quality control of the 32 subcontractors who were dragged into the white elephant project only FOUR were commisioned into the Kriegsmarine. And only 1 carried out a single fruitless patrol. 1. Hull sections that didn't fit together properly and which IMMEDIATELY after construction required further MONTHS of re-engineering just to be able to float without sinking. 2. Supposedly supercharged diesel engines that were so poorly designed that the superchargers were completely inoperable !!! This reduced their power output from an expected 2000hp right down to 1200hp which made the type XXI the SLOWEST type of German U-boat on the surface. 3. As well as the failed engines pushing the type XXI at slower speeds than the 10 year old type VIIs the lower power output meant that they took 40% LONGER to fully charge their massive battery capacity, requiring close to TWO FULL DAYS of running the diesels to fully recharge empty batteries. 4. Due to the overwhelming allied air superiority this 2 day recharging cycle using the diesels could NOT take place on the surface, and so had to be done underwater using the poorly fitted schnorkels which both leaked and routinely "dunked" under the stormy surface of the North Atlantic making their poor crew severely ill. 5. The "groundbreaking" complex hydraulic systems of the Type XXI which were used to power the sub's control surfaces, open and shut the torpedo tube doors, power the twin anti aircraft turrets and operate the "uber" torepdo reload system was ENTIRELY positioned OUTSIDE the pressure hull leaving it exposed to saltwater corrosion, and liable to damage by both wave & enemy action. It could also NOT be repaired from within the hull and would require the sub to remain on the surface while repairs were carried out. Not very good when the enemy had hundreds of patrolling aircraft hunting you down. 6. When the US navy studied the Type XXI after WW2 inspite of its "increased crew spaces and even a refrigerator, they classed its crew habitability LOWER than their S class boats of the 1930s, Is that enough "elaboration" for you? I don't need to "reeeeeeeeeeeeeee" hatred for German subs... I just laugh at the clueless comments babbled by entralled nazi fanbois. Now please go polish your Hitler Youth dagger before bedtime... you have school in the morning.
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  1386.  @rinkashikachi  Why would I need to "elaborate" in response to your uninformed non argument above? I used the level of intellect that your respone warrantted. If you'd like some "elaboration" then please read on. The Type XXIs while SUPPOSED to be "wonder weapons" were in reality dreadfully cobbled together leaky pieces of junk. 119 were ordered and built but due to the APPALLING quality control of the 32 subcontractors who were dragged into the white elephant project only FOUR were commisioned into the Kriegsmarine. And only 1 carried out a single fruitless patrol. 1. Hull sections that didn't fit together properly and which IMMEDIATELY after construction required further MONTHS of re-engineering just to be able to float without sinking. 2. Supposedly supercharged diesel engines that were so poorly designed that the superchargers were completely inoperable !!! This reduced their power output from an expected 2000hp right down to 1200hp which made the type XXI the SLOWEST type of German U-boat on the surface. 3. As well as the failed engines pushing the type XXI at slower speeds than the 10 year old type VIIs the lower power output meant that they took 40% LONGER to fully charge their massive battery capacity, requiring close to TWO FULL DAYS of running the diesels to fully recharge empty batteries. 4. Due to the overwhelming allied air superiority this 2 day recharging cycle using the diesels could NOT take place on the surface, and so had to be done underwater using the poorly fitted schnorkels which both leaked and routinely "dunked" under the stormy surface of the North Atlantic making their poor crew severely ill. 5. The "groundbreaking" complex hydraulic systems of the Type XXI which were used to power the sub's control surfaces, open and shut the torpedo tube doors, power the twin anti aircraft turrets and operate the "uber" torepdo reload system was ENTIRELY positioned OUTSIDE the pressure hull leaving it exposed to saltwater corrosion, and liable to damage by both wave & enemy action. It could also NOT be repaired from within the hull and would require the sub to remain on the surface while repairs were carried out. Not very good when the enemy had hundreds of patrolling aircraft hunting you down. 6. When the US navy studied the Type XXI after WW2 inspite of its "increased crew spaces and even a refrigerator, they classed its crew habitability LOWER than their S class boats of the 1930s, Is that enough "elaboration" for you? I don't need to "reeeeeeeeeeeeeee" hatred for German subs... I just laugh at the clueless comments babbled by entralled nazi fanbois. Now please go polish your Hitler Youth dagger before bedtime... you have school in the morning.
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  1387.  @rinkashikachi  Why would I need to "elaborate" in response to your uninformed non argument above? I used the level of intellect that your respone warrantted. If you'd like some "elaboration" then please read on. The Type XXIs while SUPPOSED to be "wonder weapons" were in reality dreadfully cobbled together leaky pieces of junk. 119 were ordered and built but due to the APPALLING quality control of the 32 subcontractors who were dragged into the white elephant project only FOUR were commisioned into the Kriegsmarine. And only 1 carried out a single fruitless patrol. 1. Hull sections that didn't fit together properly and which IMMEDIATELY after construction required further MONTHS of re-engineering just to be able to float without sinking. 2. Supposedly supercharged diesel engines that were so poorly designed that the superchargers were completely inoperable !!! This reduced their power output from an expected 2000hp right down to 1200hp which made the type XXI the SLOWEST type of German U-boat on the surface. 3. As well as the failed engines pushing the type XXI at slower speeds than the 10 year old type VIIs the lower power output meant that they took 40% LONGER to fully charge their massive battery capacity, requiring close to TWO FULL DAYS of running the diesels to fully recharge empty batteries. 4. Due to the overwhelming allied air superiority this 2 day recharging cycle using the diesels could NOT take place on the surface, and so had to be done underwater using the poorly fitted schnorkels which both leaked and routinely "dunked" under the stormy surface of the North Atlantic making their poor crew severely ill. 5. The "groundbreaking" complex hydraulic systems of the Type XXI which were used to power the sub's control surfaces, open and shut the torpedo tube doors, power the twin anti aircraft turrets and operate the "uber" torepdo reload system was ENTIRELY positioned OUTSIDE the pressure hull leaving it exposed to saltwater corrosion, and liable to damage by both wave & enemy action. It could also NOT be repaired from within the hull and would require the sub to remain on the surface while repairs were carried out. Not very good when the enemy had hundreds of patrolling aircraft hunting you down. 6. When the US navy studied the Type XXI after WW2 inspite of its "increased crew spaces and even a refrigerator, they classed its crew habitability LOWER than their S class boats of the 1930s, Is that enough "elaboration" for you? I don't need to "reeeeeeeeeeeeeee" hatred for German subs... I just laugh at the clueless comments babbled by entralled nazi fanbois. Now please go polish your Hitler Youth dagger before bedtime... you have school in the morning.
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  1388.  @rinkashikachi  "Elaborate"? Why would I need to elaborate to such a poorly informed non "argument" from yourself? I responded with the intellect that was required to rebuff your groundless assertion. You're clearly unaware of the yawning chasm between German propaganda claims about the Type XXI (and Type XXIII) "electro boats" and the reality of what happened during the nazis failed "electro boat" production project. If you'd like some "elaboration" I can happily provide you with some. The Type XXIs, on paper were to have sported many pioneering systems that were intended to revolutionise the German's failed u-boat offensive. They were designed for a distributed production method to avoid the bombed and wrecked German shipyards which had slowed u-boat production to a crawl in 1944-45. The type XXI was to be assembled from 9 major sections constructed by 32 different sub contractors, The sections were then individually transported by barge to an assembly facility on the river Weser known as the "Valentin" bunker, there, under a 15-23ft thick reinforced concrete roof (build by slave labourers) the 9 sections were meant to be bolted together, tested and then the completed type XXI sailed out of the bunker to their operational bases. Such was the inexperience in marine engineering of the sub contractor's engineers that when the sections first arrived at the "Valentin" bunker very few of the subsections actually fitted together. and those that did had hull seals and piping that were so poorly aligned that they were unable to reach ANYWHERE near their intended test diving depths, with the result that after assembly the "brand new" subs required further months of re-engineering to actually make them sea worthy. The poor engineering of their new 6 cylinder supercharged diesel engines meant that the superchargers were literally unusable and so the XXI's had to operate with non-supercharged diesel engines that reduced their power output from a projected 2000 horsepower each down to 1200 horsepower, with the result that on the surface the type XXIs were the SLOWEST u-boats the Germany produced, and while they were faster underwater than their predecesors the lower power of the diesel engines meant a full recharge of the massive battery capacity was prohibitively long and required nearly two full days of charging for a full charge, this charging by the diesel engines could NOT be done on the surface due to allied air superiority and so had to be accomplished by running underwater using the poorly designed and fitted schnorkels that leaked and dunked in the north Atlantic's rough seas, taking a dreadful toll on the health of the poor young u boat men that were forced to man them. The "groundbreaking" hydraulic system that controlled the type XXI's rudders and planes, torpedo tube doors, anti aircraft turrets as well as the "uber" torpedo reloading system was ALL situated outside of the sub's pressure hull where it's complex systems were subject to saltwater corrosion and damage from wave and enemy action, and could not be repaired from within the hull. The supposed superior "habitability" of the type XXI when viewed by the postwar USN failed to meet the basic standards of even the earlier US submarines (Which the US navy themselves referred to as "pig boats" due to the stink that emanated from them on return from a long patrol). Of the initially projected 118 type XXI electro boats to have been built, due to the catastrophically bad quality control of their assembly just FOUR of them passed muster to be commisioned into the Kriegsmarine and only ONE undertook a patrol which saw it achieve NO successes before the war ended. It's one thing promising and designing a superlative weapon, but when the finished product is a lemon that's not fit for purpose, its not going to achieve anything. Is that enough "elaboration" for you? P.S And just to rub salt into the German's wounds, the RAF allowed the German's to sink millions of reichmarks and two years of effort into the contruction of their "secret" bombproof "Valentin" type XXI assembly bunker, and then a month before it was due to start operation, the RAF destroyed it by hitting it with 10 ton "Grand Slam" bombs.
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  1389.  @rinkashikachi  Fanboi harder please.
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  1390. PLAy but take advice and do NOT put money into it... it's RIGGED as hell.
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  1391.  @PeteNasia  Is it the oval shape "U-boat war badge"? or the oval with oak leaf wings which is the "U-boat front clasp"? Are there any markings on the reverse of it?
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  1392. And then helped its people recover and rebuild. The nazis just firebombed cities and left it at that.
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  1393. That's the reason that the British PIAT was a more effective close in urban weapon that the rocket propelled panzerfaust, panzershreck and bazooka... though shorter ranged, it did not announce its presence to the enemy and allowed the possibility of 2nd and 3rd shots.
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  1394. He doesn't play any of them... he's ADVERTING THEM FOR MONEY.
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  1395. Bergmann MP18
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  1396. Why correct someone with plainly incorrect misinformation? Admiral Scheer was one of Germany's "Deutschland" class armoured cruisers and was armed with 6 x 11 in guns in 2 triple turrets. So why does the image of the wrecked cruiser that you say is "Admiral Scheer" clearly show two twin 8" gunned stern turrets?
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  1397. Much of the "west" is likewise controlled.
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  1398. And almost unbelievably they were also supplied with weapons by the CIA throughout the troubles as was confirmed by declassified CIA documents 9 years ago !!! Imagine the UK Govt supplying commies in the US with weapons?
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  1399. Ask the Protestants in Northern Ireland if they want to become part of the Republic?
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  1400. Aye, arms manufactures sell their products to whoever has the cash to buy them. Many years ago I used to own a SMLE (Lee-Enfield) complete with Pakistani army proof marks !!! P.S As well as a WW2 Nazi Luger manufactured by Mauser in 1942 with all matching serial numbers including the alloy magazine and factory code "byf", complete with a WW1 leather holster manufactured by Kern Kläger & Cie Neu Ulm 1918. I wish I still owned them.
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  1401. The stone now on the pavement outside Hitler's birthplace says "for Peace, freedom and democracy never again fascism millions dead admonish" (But the sculptor apparently has not heard of punctuation), and the plaque on the front of the house says "People's bookshop Braunau".
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  1402. The UK and US would be MASSIVE losers if that was the case.
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  1403.  @goldenfiberwheat238  I'll have to look up the story.. I've not read it myself but have seen plenty of references to it in these comments. Thanks for the "heads up". 2 previous accounts I've had with YT have been "banned" for some minor transgression of their "wrongthink" policies, so for my 3rd account I just chose the first nonsensical account name that came into my head thinking it would be banned in a couple of months..... 2 years later I'm still using it. All the best from the UK.
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  1404. That would be unwise as the UK and US would get a MUCH larger bill back from the Germans when they have to deal with OUR unexploded ordnance.
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  1405. 17 Seconds to glory.... its on telly as I'm typing this.
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  1406. Allies dropped more bombs, but the German engineers specifically designed delayed action & booby trapped fuses that was fitted to a sizeable proportion of the bombs dropped by the Luftwaffe.... I've no knowledge of Allied specfically booby trapped bombs dropped by our air forces.
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  1407. I'm glad you qualified it with "the same weapon used on both sides". I'd like to think we're ALL glad those times are over.. for the moment. Its just the power crazed globalists who are hellbent on maintaining an "everlasting war" to continually fill their own corporate coffers.
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  1408. Fascinating. Thank you.
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  1409. I'll settle for that.
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  1410. What a way to go.... KaBOOM !!!
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  1411. Don't worry yourself, they didn't. They bled the British empire dry as it foght for its life.
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  1412. You do realise that your using "hindsight" and that at the time these devices were designed they did not have a time machine to see into the future. They had no idea in 1939-42 that WW2 would end in 1945.
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  1413. There's an old British saying "What goes around, comes around". You don't want thousands of unexploded bombs in your country? Then don't go around dropping them in your neighbour's countries first.
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  1414. For any young person watching this and feeling a degree of fear over the potential for being maimed or killed by one of these things. Please don't worry yourself, you've more chance of being trampled to death by Lord Lucan riding Shergar. (look them up)
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  1415. Biden and the neocons taking over where Hitler left off.
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  1416. Whose dropping globally banned "cluster munitions"... Oh yes, of course... its the US isn't it?
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  1417. Look at Mark's video productions and you will see PLENTY of videos detailing Allied actions that make no reference to similar axis events.
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  1418. Think you may have suffered concussion from a German aerial mine.
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  1419. It was one of these weapons that was responsible for the infamous "Durning Road" tragedy in Liverpool on the 29th November 1940. During a luftwaffe raid on the city, hundreds of people took shelter in the cellars of the "Ernest Brown Junior Instructional College" on Durning Road in the Edge Hill area of the city. During the raid a "landmine" as they were commonly known landed on the college building and collapsed its several floors into the cellars below, as well as the crush injuries, the huge iron boiler used to power the college's central heating system burst and scalded and drowned many further casualties. 166 people were confirmed killed in the single incident, but due to the chaos of the blitz on Liverpool in 1940/41 the site was never fully cleared and its believed that further unaccounted for victims remained uncovered.
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  1420. The media companies nowadays generally want national histories to be forgotten.
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  1421. That would be a VERY expensive road for the UK and US to go down... you WON'T hear their governments pushing for such reparations.
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  1422.  @ratti80  Seems you cannot differentiate between a successfully created firestorm and a failed attempt to create a firestorm. Not to worry ACM Harris and Bomber Command showed the Germans how to do it properly a couple of years later.
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  1423. The first attempt to create a firestorm? Go read about Operation "Moonlight Sonata" that was the luftwaffe's firebombing of the English city of Coventry. With a pleasant mixture of 567 tons of high explosive, hundreds of flammen (oil) bombs and tens of thousands of incendiaries. That was in Novenmber 1940, before a single British bomb had been purposely aimed at a German civilian target.
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  1424.  @slackerbeats  Is that like the chemical weapons the Russians were accused of using in Syria and the OPCW inspectors gave their highly regarded opinion that it was all complete BS? Seems like the US neocons don't understand the concept of holding the "moral highground", then again why would they, they're US neocons.
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  1425. Remind me... which side is scattering cluster bombs over the area again? Y'know cluster bombs... the very ESSENCE of "random killing".
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  1426. Only a small amount of external explosive is necessary to send the supersonic shockwave necessary to detonate the high explosive contained within the bomb casing. The danger is the instability of the fuse mechanism, if the bomb can be safely detonated in situ then using a small amount of primary explosive will bypass the uncertainty of the fuse in a controlled way. The vast majority of the explosion is of the bomb's contents.
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  1427. Please feel free to volunteer to defuse the next unstable 80 year old 2200lb bomb thats uncovered.
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  1428. Respect to them and the many others who made the ultimate sacrifice on both sides in defusing UXOs, bravery in saving lives rather than taking them.
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  1429. Slight error by Mark. Mr & Mrs Gill of Victoria Rd Clacton, as it says on the memorial plaque were the First British civilians killed by enemy action ON THE BRITISH MAINLAND during WW2. The first British civilian casualty inflicted by the luftwaffe occured about one month earlier in the Orkney Islands on 16th March 1940 during a luftwaffe attack on the RN anchorage at Scapa Flow, when German bombs hit cottages near the junction of the A965 & A964 near Stenness, killing a 27 year-old County Council employee, James Isbister (luckily, his wife, baby son, and the elderly neighbour James was endeavouring to rescue from her adjacent bombed cottage all survived).
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  1430.  @Manuelslayor  Another factor that greatly increased the destructive power of the LMs was that while aerial bombs of both the SC & SD varieties would more often than not bury themselves into the ground before detonation, sometimes to not inconsiderable depths (especially in the case of the SD bombs), the LM's were relatively gently lowered to the ground to lie on the surface (or as often as not hang in mid air when its chute entangled on structures etc) meaning that as opposed to a bomb that when it detonates would expend a large amount of its energy to move hundreds of tons of earth that it had buried itself into, and which had a tendancy to direct the blast upwards in an inverted cone, the LMs blast energy was passed directly into the atmosphere causing a much wider spread of damage. Where the bombs caused more problems than the mines was that the transfer of their explosive energy into the ground itself caused much greater damage to underground structures and services such as water and gas mains.
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  1431. SC "Spreng Cylindrisch" (a "thinwalled blast bomb") SD "Spreng Dickwandig" (a "thickwalled blast bomb")
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  1432. As wepaons of war they were a huge menace and caused the British considerable problems in the first 2 years of WW2. Warfare in general being a waste of resources is another matter.
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  1433. The "M.I.C" absolutely LOVE war... they'll give you a very good reason why its good for THEM.
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  1434. News papers and media groups that are owned by the same corporate entities that own many of the west's arms manufacturing companies. Jingoism sells more papers... keep the public frightened and causes public funds that would be much better spent on humanitarian problems of the world to be directed into private globalist hands.
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  1435. The S.S Richard Montgomery. That would make a nice crater if it went up !!! A search on YT will dredge up MANY videos on the subject.
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  1436. Which in turn were firecrackers compared to the 10 ton "Grand Slams".
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  1437. No they're on THEIR side now.
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  1438. Think most of the UK is PRAYING for a whole squadron of luftwaffe bombers loaded with highly unstable munitions under the palace of Westminster.
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  1439.  @joewoodchuck3824  If the mine had been dropped in open countryside (jettisoned by a damaged aircraft etc) then yes it could be safely detonated leaving a large crater that would either later become a nice "duck pond", or filled in if it was on productive farmland. Bombs were disarmed by the British Army's Royal Engineers, but mines were the responsibility of the Royal Navy to disarm. The RN had a department called RMS... "Rendering Mines Safe". In the early days the unfortunate naval officer would be "making it up as he went along", the first task faced was to determine what sort of activation device was fitted to the bomb / mine. Movement? (Don't attempt to move the bomb..... some later "trembler" switches were so sensitive that even the slightest bump of the bomb would set it off) Clockwork? (Better work fast or stop the clock from working. The clocks in clockwork fuses could be set to run anywhere from a few minutes upto 3 days!!!) Magnetic? (Keep all steel or nickel items well away from the device) Acoustic? (Keep noise to a minimum) Some mines even had photosensitive fuses that would be set off by bright light. As they studied the device they would be logging any markings on the various fuses (very often two, three or even four different activation devices would be fitted to the same mine or bomb) for future reference, and so by a process of "trial and error" and the deaths of many brave young men, eventually more and more knowledge of the internal workings of each fuse type was discovered by govt scientists from the initially small number of successfully disarmed fuses. The scientists then very quickly developed devices and techniques that could be used in future to aid the disposal experts. The naval mines had a device that armed a fuse when water pressure (from being dropped in the sea) activated a switch.... this switch connected the mine's battery to the detonator, the only thing that now stopped the mine from detonating was a sensitive magnetic switch which would be operated by the influence of any iron or nickel that moved near it. If that happened the circuit was completed by this magnet influence switch and the mine was detonated. A completely seperate second fuse was fitted that only worked out of water. If the mine was accidentally dropped on land and liable to be tampered with by the British then this second fuse would be set off by the slightest movement. Unfortunately for the Germans one of their mines was spotted at low tide off the coast at Shoeburyness in Essex, and two VERY brave sailors were tasked to go and disarm it. They managed to successfully do this only because the second fuse that was meant to stop the mine being moved had not been switched on by the German armourer who had earlier installed it in the bomber. This single mistake by the German armourer allowed the British to discover all the secrets of this deadly mine. If he had remembered to switch that fuse on before the aircraft took off, then further hundreds of thousands of tons of British shipping and thousands of further lives would have been lost. After the British discovered the workings of the magnetic mine they quickly developed equipment and techniques to counteract them, saving THOUSANDS of lives. The see saw of the technological battles between the fuse designers and the scientists of the side having to deal with the fuses is fascinating. Early German fuses could be "short circuited" to drain the internal batteries that sparked the detonation. The German scientists then discovered that the British were short circuiting the batteries and so rewired future fuses so that attempting to short circuit the batteries also detonated the device. This resulted in more Bomb disposal officers being killed so the British then discovered a way of drilling a small hole into the new type of fuse and injecting a special fluid that safely killed the fuse battery. Clockwork fuses were stopped by placing very large electromagnets onto them to stop the clockwork mechanism from functioning, which then allowed the fuses to be safely removed..... until the Germans started fitting a second device UNDERNEATH the clockwork fuses that when the clockwork fuse was "pulled out" the second device set off the bomb, this was called the "ZUS-40 anti handling device" which again killed a large number of bomb disposal personnel. The British were then confronted with the problem of how do you stop a bomb exploding when you can't remove the fuse? Hmmm.... How about we drill through the steel of the side of the bomb, pump in steam to melt the main explosive contents and then remove the resultant goo out of the bomb casing? Which is what they did. The device was called a "Steam Steriliser" and was used on large bombs where there was enough space inside the bomb to have a ZUS-40 fitted beneath the main fuse. The Germans also utilised another anti handling fuse type that was so sensitive that the merest tap could set it off. How could you disarm THAT fuse? The British quickly worked out that by using liquified gas at below -200°c to freeze the bomb fuse caused the internal batteries to lose their charge and therefore disable the fuse. I think I've probably typed more than I should already... Hope its of some interest to you. If you're interested then seek out an old UK TV series called "Danger UXB"... it's WELL worth a watch.
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  1440. ??????
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  1441.  @Quotenwagnerianer  Maybe you German's don't care, but the many people in other European countries who first had German high explosive liberally scattered over them cared VERY MUCH !!! It's why you got it back in spades. DON'T drop HE over others and then come, cap in hand, looking for sympathy when it comes back to bite you on the arse. My own family lived through the Luftwaffe's "blitz" of Liverpool during 1940 / 41. They cared VERY much about having German bombs scattered all around them, and were only too happy to see you getting it back a couple of years later. If you'd like to know what a PROPER "big bang" is then look for images of "S.S Malakand Huskisson Dock"... My mother's family lived just over a mile from that event, If they were still here they'd tell YOU what a "big bang" sounds like, let me tell you it was a bit more than their "windows shaking lightly".
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  1442. The important thing is the Germans used them first. What goes around, comes around.
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  1443. First German bombs dropped on the British mainland? 16th October 1939 saw the very first bombs dropped on Britain when the Germans launched scattered air attacks over port and industrial facilities around the Scottish city of Edinburgh. First bombs dropped by the RAF on German soil? 19th March 1940... When on 13th November 1939 the luftwaffe bombed RAF Sullom Voe a seaplane base with port facilities in the Shetland Isles (with the resultant death of a rabbit, and no hits on the 9 seaplanes or 2 RN vessels stationed there), the RAF retaliated by hitting the nazi seaplane base at Hörnum on the island of Sylt in the North Sea. These were THE VERY FIRST RAF bombs to land on German soil....5 months AFTER the first German bombs had landed on British soil. The first British or German civilian casualty caused by the bombing of the opposing side during WW2? 16th March 1940 when German bombs hit the village of Waithe on Orkney during an attack on the Home Fleet anchorage at Scapa Flow, which killed a 27 year-old County Council employee, James Isbister (luckily, his wife, baby son, and the neighbour James was endeavouring to rescue from her bombed cottage all survived). First British bombs to drop on the actual German mainland? 11th May 1940, when the British air ministry for the first time allowed the bombing of railway yards, communication centres and bridges west of the Rhine River as interdiction of German supply lines for the German assault into the NEUTRAL Low countries and France on 10th May 1940. Previous to this date the British air ministry in an effort to stop the spreading of the conflict had refused to allow the RAF to drop ANY bombs on the German mainland, instead the RAF supplied the German demand for toilet paper by dropping propaganda leaflets on German cities. This attack on 11th May 1940 had also come after REPEATED attacks against RN installations on the British mainland, most notably at Rosyth near Edinburgh, and the Cromarty Firth, both in Scotland throughout the winter of 1939/40. First British bombs dropped EAST of the Rhine River? 23/24th August 1940. This attack ostensibly directed at the Klingenberg Power Station in Eastern Berlin & Templehof airport was in RETALIATION for REPEATED luftwaffe raids on RAF stations within the suburbs of Greater London throughout July and August 1940 that had already caused HUNDREDS of innocent British civilian deaths & casualties (euphemistically known nowadays as "collateral damage") this was inspite of Hitler's previous decrees that no bombs should be dropped within the boundaries of Greater London. Obviously that decree had never reached the ears of Herman Goering. German retaliation for the one night of bombing of Berlin on 23/24th August 1940? The launching of the all out assault against British cities from 7th sept 1940 onwards, culminating in the world's first attempt to create a firestorm during operation "moonlight sonata" on the British city of Coventry on the night of 14/15th Nov 1940, where the luftwaffe sent 575 bombers using their world beating "X-gerat" bombing system (in the Germans own words capable of placing "target indicator" flares with an accuracy of 50 meters at 200 miles range) over the civilian city centre of Coventry dropping 550 tons of high explosive (including hundreds of "flammen" (oil) bombs) followed by over 30,000 incendiary bombs. The final death toll of that single raid? A previously unheard of 568 innocent civilians, this was in addition to the thousands of other British civilians already killed in other cities across Britain over the previous 2 months. The first British bombing raid directly targetted at German civilians? "Operation Abigail" on the night of 16/17th December 1940, (3 months AFTER the opening of the nazi "blitz" on British cities) the Dec 16th attack by the RAF was launched against the German city of Mannheim where 100 RAF bombers dropped 100 tons of HE and 14,000 incendiaries inflicting a death toll on the German population of 34 dead and 81 injured. Not to worry though , the RAF eventually "upped its game" and showed the Germans how to do it properly a year or two later. Don't try to hide the fact that the Germans enjoyed dropping HE on the cities of its neighbours from the earliest days of flight. The first aerial bombs dropped in history were from a zeppelin raid on Bruges in Belgium in August 1914... just 11 years after the invention of powered flight. Since WW2, they've learned the lesson NOT to do it again.
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  1444. The whole world of pioneering bomb disposal is fascinating.... crabtree dischargers, Steam sterilisers, gas powered fuse extractors, electro magnetic clock stoppers, use of pressurised air to deactivate hydrostatic switches.... oh and MASSIVE testicles made out of a incredibly hard chromium / boron steel alloy.
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  1445. The Germans had designed delayed action fuses before WW2, as a result of their studies of the bombing actions of the "Kondor Legion" during the Spanish civil war. The allies did not have any delayed action fuses developed pre WW2, but designed their own in response to the effectiveness of German ones dropped on Britain. When you say "unfortunately, these bombs were not slowed down by parachutes so most are buried in the ground", you should replace the "unfortunately" with a "luckily" as bombs that detonated on the surface do a LOT more damage than those that buried themselves 20 30 or even 40 ft into the earth before detonation.
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  1446. Please feel free to do your own research and produce a video with the details... we're all waiting.
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  1447.  @stopthephilosophicalzombie9017  What leads you to assume that they "don't appear to have any of their fuse mechanisms intact anymore". While some fuses were electrical and consequently the batteries will have disintergrated unver the length of time they've been buried, many fuses had mechanical clockwork mechanisms which may well certainly be operational. Would you treat a ton of high explosive blithely if you we're knelt next to it?
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  1448. They quite often did not explode on impact when they were dropped... as was intended.
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  1449. We all knew that already... do keep up.
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  1450.  @bryonmason6330  I understand the sentiment (I come from Liverpool UK so my family know full well the impact of German bombs first hand) but the allies left FAR more unexploded ordnance on the continent than what we have to deal with ourselves.... Don't you think the Brit hating globalist puppets currently in Westminster would love to rape our country's finances further than they already do, as they would decide that we have to pay the rest of Europe for all of our UXBs dropped on them?
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  1451. Hmmm. don't go there.
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  1452. If you're British then its probably from the Royal Navy who were the people responsible for defusing magnetic mines.
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  1453. Actually land mines were less likely to damage underground services that normal bombs which ususally buried themselves into the earth before detonating... the subsurface detonation transmitted FAR more energy into the ground damaging and destroyed gas, electrical and water service ducts. Landmines which lay on the surface of the ground while creating a localised crater allowed the majority of their explosive energy to pass into the atmosphere and caused FAR more damage to surface buildings & structures than underground services.
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  1454.  @iesusegoconfidoinvobis4309  True.... but in the globalist created chaos we live in nowadays Britain is NEVER right... since we told the European branch of their world hegemony where to go in 2016 !!!
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  1455. Much the same as the nazis did to their victims in 1939 to 1942 then.....
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  1456. In Garston gas works?
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  1457. Operation "Deadlight". Plus all the RAF Coastal Command airfields in Northern Ireland that were VITAL during the battle of the Atlantic.
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  1458.  @edemoi3817  Please don't apologise, your English is immeasurably better than my faltering German. Thank god for online "AI" translators, I say. Best wishes from the UK.
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  1459. Its called reading and research... if you're that interested, you can do it for yourself. But what most people enjoy is the easy absorption of distilled information from other people who do the long and sometimes laborious research work.
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  1460. You mean the US neocons. Dropping banned cluster bombs in their bid for world dominance.
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  1461. As a point of interest would Mark be able to give us details of the first GERMAN casualty at the hands of British bombing during WW2? I'm not sure if the relevent records would still exist, but I'd be VERY interested for Mark to cast his analytical researcher's mind over the matter. Thanks for any insight you can give.
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  1462. The Russians? What about the Americans supplying their European proxies with cluster bombs to drop on Russian soil?
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  1463. Extremely unlikely as naval mine fields were mapped by the side that laid them, and extensive mine sweeping both for conventional AND influence mines was carried out in the years after WW2. Sleep easily, and don't worry.
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  1464. Grim.
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  1465. Alive and kicking on Russia's doorstep in Ukraine.
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  1466. FAR shorter life expectancy at the start of WW2 for British "Royal Engineers" defusing German bombs.... so much so the early operatives were given next to no instruction (as little was known about German fuses), and they weren't expected to last more than a few weeks.
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  1467. Joe Biden... is that YOU?
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  1468. Would the UK & US have to pay for the FAR greater number of unexploded bombs they left buried in European soil?
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  1469. Sob more please... your tears are like nectar.
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  1470. 17
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  1471. If you go scattering HE over your enemies first, they're gonna do it back to you. simple as.
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  1472. Only a small amount of explosive is needed to detonate the original charge.
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  1473. Your name will ALSO go on the list.
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  1474. No, it was nicknamed the "Hermann" by the Germans & British alike. The SC1800 was nicknamed the "Satan".
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  1475. They were naval mines and were not designed as "impact bombs". They contained sensitive mechanisms inside them which would be made inoperable if dropped in freefall... even into water. The Germans realised that the laying of the mines on dry land meant that instead of burying themselves in the ground to a depth of 20 or 30 ft deep like a lot of normal bombs would before detonating, these naval mines would lay on the surface meaning that the noise and blast radius (and resultant damage) would be FAR greater than a normal air dropped bomb.
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  1476. Germans and Brits agree on somethings it seems. All the best.
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  1477. We did.... ten fold.
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  1478. They certainly did use them.... they were the first nation the employ them during WW2. The bombs took two forms, the first being small B1E & B2E (1&2kg) thermite (powered aluminium and magnesium) bombs with flat steel noses to assist in punching through tiled roofs. These were dropped in cannisters that for example allowed a single He111 to carry 1152 of the devices that were scattered over a wide area. The second type of incendiary bomb employed by the Germans were 250kg & 500kg "Flammenbombe" (known as "oil bombs" to the British). These were standard German HE bombs that had instead been filled with an inflammable mix of crude oil, kerosene and rubber, and a small "bursting charge". The Germans used both types of bombs in very large numbers on the "operation moonlight sonata" (the assault on Coventry on 13th November 1940) in an attempt to start a firestorm, (the very first attempt during WW2). Although they dropped an adequate number of weapons to do so, the bombing lasted all night in multiple waves with several pauses between which allowed the civil defence forces into the area to combat the fires. 3 years later the RAF showed the Germans how to do it properly during "Operation gomorrah" (the firebombing of Hamburg) when instead of a long drawn out attack, the RAF dropped large numbers of incendiaries in a short space of time, overwhelming the German civil defence and incinerating the heart of the city.
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  1479. All in the drive to spread US power around the globe.
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  1480. Strange how nazi Germany has never been included in Sid Meier's "Civilisation" isn't it?
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  1481. ​ @gastonbell108  Not sure how you could interpret the video to say the use of the parachute was to "randomise" the landing place, that's easily achievable by randomly dropping the weapon over a large city at night. It's obvious the chute was to "lay" the mine on the ground where its blast radius would be increased as it hadn't buried itself 20 or 30 feet under the earth, and as it was never intended to be an impact munition. The indescriminancy come from the fact that they were dropped over cities without aim simply to cause the maximum terror & damage to civilian life and property.
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  1482. At the time these were being scattered indescriminately over British cities the RAF had not dropped a single bomb on the German mainland.
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  1483. The rivers these mines were dropped in do not "dry up" in hot weather, no matter what all the "climate crisis" BS'ers say.
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  1484. If the Germans hadn't started dropping HE on everyone else it wouldn't have happened to them
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  1485. What about the enormous amounts of dangerous munitions left around the globe bythe UK and US?
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  1486. The RN dept that handled mine disposal was called "RMS" or "Rendering Mines Safe". If you get the chance the 1970s UK TV drama "Danger UXB" is EXCELLENT, and includes a episode of the RN dealing with exactly this type of weapon. The whole series is WELL worth a watch.
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  1487. Much the same for ANY of the overseas countries that have been unwilling recipients of US high explosive since WW2..... the Ukraine and Russia are currently being added to that list as we speak.
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  1488. Great info. Thank you.
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  1489. Not many were volunteers.
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  1490.  @Normandy1944  Ever dipped your hand in 90°c (DON'T try it) !!! A nazi air dropped hot water heater could still heat that up a further 10°c !!! 😁
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  1491.  @Normandy1944  That's why boilers have "pressure relief valves" !!! German naval mines didn't have them though. 😃
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  1492. What if you need to make hot water hotter?
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  1493. Its the corporate globalists we ALL need to get rid off. They're possibly the BIGGEST obstacle to world peace now in existence.
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  1494. bollocks.
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  1495. Mr James Isbister of Stenness on the isles of Orkney was the first British civilian fatality at the hands of the luftwaffe...1 month before Mr & Mrs Gill.
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  1496. Just one? Make it a "grand slam" then.
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  1497. Too intelligent for TV.
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  1498. "The iron harvest".
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  1499. Think it was a heavy solid wooden door blown off its hinges that did for the poor man in his sleep.
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  1500. They were originally floated down to protect the sensitive arming mechanisms within them to enable them to lay on the sea floor waiting for the first ship to pass near them. It was then realised that if you lay bomb on the surface in a city the blast radius would be MUCH larger than if the bomb had first buried itself 20 or 30 ft underground first.
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  1501. Yawn.
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  1502. Aye its all completely true. On the night of 30th Nov 1940 the mine penetrated the roof of one of the "gasometers" at Garston gasworks in Liverpool. This puncture caused the slow "deflation" and retraction of the huge gas tank concerned. I remember reading about the story many years ago, when the bomb disposal expert incredibly had to work in a "rebreather" breathing apparatus by torch light in waist deep filthy oily water which apparently collected in the base of the gasometer over time, he was able to do this as the mine was suspended vertically by its parachute snagging on the internal framework of the gas tank. In total the disarming of the mine took two whole days. Almost poetically the Royal Navy "RMS" operative (RMS was "Rendering Mines Safe" which was the Royal Navy Dept for disarming explosive ordinance) was named..... Lt Harold Newgass, and he was awarded the George Cross for his incredible efforts. He died in 1984.
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  1503. Don;t be frightened little one. You've more chance of being trampled to death by Lord Lucan riding Shergar (UK references).
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  1504. Do you mean unimportant provincial market towns such as Guernica?
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  1505.  @csjrogerson2377  Very good.... like myself, another afficionado of "Danger UXB". There are a nmber of excellent books on the subject too, Well worth a read. All the best.
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  1506. I see you know your type 50 from your Zus-40 !!!
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  1507. Are people REALLY this thick?
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  1508.  @NielMalan  Read it yourself... first bombs dropped on civilians? My mistake... I "misremembered" my first post.... it was actually the Belgian city of Liege that was bombed by the German zeppelin Z-6 that on the night of 5-6th August 1914. The FIRST example of Strategic aerial bombardment.
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  1509. Aye, as a product of the evolution of the original German idea. Which of course was initiated by the bombing of the Belgian city of Bruges by German zeppelins in August 1914... just 11 year after the invention of powered flight.
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  1510. Well people tend to blindly follow ludicrously megalomaniacal national leaders such as Biden, Putin, Zelensky and their associated cronies and corporate paymasters.
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  1511. As they should be.
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  1512. Whats the problem? Do you still live in the house you were born in? Many people like myself move house and often town or city. It's no "biggie" y'know?
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  1513. What if you want to make "hot water" hotter?
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  1514. How indiscriminate does it have to be for a naval mine to be dropped on cities?
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  1515. Anthony Andrews. Bang on about the series though... IMMEASURABLY better than the utter garbage thats put out nowadays.
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  1516. Are you aware of the mine that dropped on the "Ernest Brown Junior Instructional College" on Durning Road in Edge Hill, Liverpool on the 29th November 1940? The cellars of the large 4 storey building were used as a public shelter during the raids. A "landmine" struck the building and caused the entire block to collapse into the packed cellar. Those who weren't immediately crushed to death then faced being drowned and scalded as the large industrial central heating boilers in the cellar burst or asphyxiated by the burst gas pipes. That one bomb claimed the lives of at least 166 innocent Liverpool civilians. I grew up nearby (after the war) but the rumour was that during the bombing the site could not be comprehensively cleared, and that there were many more "missing" persons who were never recovered when the site was flattened & built on after the war.
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  1517. Many of the "bomblets" are DESIGNED to lay unseen and unexploded but activated in the rubble caused by the other cluster munitions that DID detonate. Its known as an "area denial" weapon. Unfortunately its often children that find them later and pick them up thinking they are toys.
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  1518. No it didn't, he was killed by shrapnel, in the shape of a large wooden door that was blown off its hinges and hit him while he was sleeping.
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  1519. I quite often run around the block.
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  1520. Yes. I imagine the same is true in Guernica, Warsaw and Rotterdam.
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  1521. We took what you gave... then you paid for it when we handed it back with interest. Job done !!!
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  1522. They were NOT designed as normal freefalling "impact bombs" but as naval mines that contained sensitive fusing apparatus. If they had been dropped "freefall" it would have destroyed their internal mechanisms and they would not have functioned as intended, even if they had landed in water. (ever done a "belly flop"? imagine falling from 2000ft freefall doing a bellyflop? Thats not going to do your own sensitive organs any good either). The Germans then realised that if they were dropped on land then unlike conventional freefall bombs which bury themselves deep in the earth beofre detonating, the parachute mines would land on the ground and if their mechanisms didn't function immediately they then became very sensitive delayed action devices, causing massive problems for the local population when dropped in urban areas. When they did detonate, the fact they were on the surface and not 20-30ft below ground meant that the noise, blast and subsequent blast damage was spread over a far large area than conventional bombs.... hence why surface burst, high capacity blast bombs became known as "blockbusters" as they were designed to destroy whole blocks of buildings in one blast.
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  1523. Next one we find, we'll send for you to go and deal with it.
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  1524. "17 seconds to glory"
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  1525.  @ReflectedMiles  You're forgetting about Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, various central American US military "expeditions" Iraq, Afghanistan, as well as British actions across the globe including Aden, Malaya, India, Palestine, North Africa, South Africa with of course the countries of western Europe still to this day digging up endless British and American (as well as German) explosives from two world wars. Add into that mess the BILLIONS of dollars worth of arms sold to third world proxies by the British , US and the rest of the "first world" and you can see that the relatively tiny amount of UXO within Britain is NOTHING compared to what we would have to clean up across the planet. Rest assured there is many MANY times more British, US and soviet hardware lying around the planet than nazi.
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  1526.  @ReflectedMiles  I agree with the sentiment of your message, but have you thought through the full implications of what you and many others suggest? Britain and the US are responsible for IMMEASURABLY more dangerous military hardware being left across the globe than ANY other countries in the world. If all countries had to clear up their respective military detritus believe me the UK and US would NOT be "net winners" in that process. And that comes from someone who is NOT a nazi fanboi or a communist bot, just an independent thinker.
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  1527. So many "non thinkers" in comments.
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  1528. Guess what? most people came out of their shelters and just got on with life. Don't spend your life being frightened. That's exactly what the "powers that be" want you to be.
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  1529. Utter nonsense. If that had been the case, they would have jettisoned their bomb load over the North Sea and parachuted out over the UK if they couldn't find a place to land.
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  1530. Of course we did. The British versions were 4000lb high capacity blast bombs known as "cookies" or "blockbusters".
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  1531. To make it hotter.
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  1532. No he didn't. The Luftwaffe had since mid July 1940 been hammering the RAF Fighter Command sector airfields of Northolt, Hornchurch, Biggin Hill & Kenley (all of which were in the London suburbs), and HUNDREDS of innocent British civilians had been killed and injured by the "collateral damage" from these attacks. The old red herring about the RAF bombing of Berlin on the night of 22/23rd Aug 1940 which is usually said to have been in response to accidental German bombing of London a few nights previously TOTALLY forgets the above facts. BTW, The first innocent British or German civilian killed by aerial bombing from "the other side" was a Mr James Isbister, who on 13th March 1940 was killed when the Luftwaffe scattered bombs over the RN anchorage at Scapa Flow in the Orkney Islands. Mr Isbister's cottage in the village of Bridge of Waithe near to Stenness was hit. His wife and children survived the hit.
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  1533. Please feel free to research and produce your own video on the topic... We're all waiting eagerly. I find it strange how when Mr Felton produces a video which spotlights the UK in a negative light there is little to no whinging about "but the axis did it as well".... but as soon as something regarding the nazis in a bad light, all the fanboi apologists come crawling out of the woodwork like magic !!!
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  1534. No the German high command were worse than the British high command because they were indescriminately dropping high explosive over civilian areas before the British were doing it.
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  1535. Yes the nazis did indeed "sow the wind".
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  1536. Thereby creating a shockwave ground bounce and a "mach stem".
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  1537. To this day the "iron harvest" in Belgium and north eastern France continues to unearth thousands of "UXO"s. Farmers often stack the rusted remains at the side of the roads and the French military carry out regular sweeps of the countryside to cart them away.
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  1538. Great find.... well preserved. All the best.
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  1539. That was more a slight on architecture and society in the mid 20th century that an open invite to spread death and destruction across British cities.... apparently that nuance went completely over the heads of the leaders of nazi Germany.
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  1540. The Germans sometimes used an "anti-handling device" known as a ZUS-40 underneath their fuses.
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  1541. Edwin Hughes, gallant valourous cavalryman spent his last years living in poverty... I wonder how Lords Raglan and Cardigan spent their last years? Join the forces (or worse be conscripted) .... give them your best years.... possibly give your life, then if you survive get cashiered and abandoned in your dotage.
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  1542. Get yourself on the torrents and DL it there.
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  1543. Nice to see a sliver of "Felton's finest dry humour"..... rounded, fruity, and with an aftertaste of Jack Dee.
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  1544. Keep that awareness going "Own home".... the globalist totalitarians have had their first whiff of total power & control.
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  1545. You enjoy the "tyranny of the mob" by the sounds of it.
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  1546. No "control" from those who highlight it... just letting the original purveyor of said "signalling" know that we know they have utterly NO integrity at all.
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  1547. Still available to buy in shops, and legal to own... but only if you can prove you're +18 years old, and DEFINITELY not to be carried around in public without good reason.
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  1548. No I had more sense.
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  1549. Very much like corporate globalists today.
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  1550. Absolutely. The havoc wrought within the Weimar republic from 1923-33 was generated intentionally in order to lay the seedbed for the nazi regime from 1933 onwards, and the same "modus operandi" is being repeated EXACTLY with "BLM" and other assorted corporate globalist BS today. Destabilise and rip up the existing society before enforcing the institution of a following totalitarian regime. They're just waiting for the masses to be pushed TOO far and descend into civil disorder, before they enforce "Martial law" and the totalitarian police state... It's known as "ordo ab chao" or "order from chaos"... the motto of world freemasonry.
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  1551. Georing's would fit in a matchbox. Goebbels' were lost in the post.
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  1552. Try not to gush and gabble excitedly about the subject....and maybe drop in regular reminders of the murderousness of that evil regime.
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  1553. You mean that NEITHER of them are in the least bit "liberal"?
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  1554. No. Neither country was militarily prepared for such a fantasy.
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  1555. No country can build EVERYTHING (Not even the US who were militarily weak in 1939) Nations set priorities for their war production, each nation producing what it believes will benefit them the most in time of war. The German general Walter Wever was the leading voice on the German need for a strategic bomber program before WW2, but he was competing with many other military thinkers for scarce raw materials. When he died in an air crash in 1936 those in Germany who wanted a strategic bomber fleet lost their "leader" and so German priorities were directed towards tactical bombers. It was only in 1940-41 that the need for a German strategic bomber came to the fore again, and so followed years of design failures and no successful German strategic bomber was ever built.
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  1556. Because of the Italian military theorist named Giulio Douhet and his hugely influencial book called "The Command of the Air" (Il dominio dell'aria) written in 1921.
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  1557. Now that I HADN'T heard of.... I@ll look into that myself. Thanks.
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  1558. I'd suggest the general lack of foodstuffs post WW2 in Europe meant that people were mostly healtier due to a more balanced diet of fats and proteins with FAR less carbs that we've started to ingest over the last few decades.
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  1559. Wait until you're in your 90s (if God spares you) and you'll feel like your youth was centuries ago.
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  1560. There was no shortage of easy targets on the eastern front.
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  1561.  @cosmicdisaster02  Absolutely agree Caleb. My own father who passed aged 93 in 2013 served in the Royal Navy throughout WW2, he witnessed terrible but truly awesome events, the sinking of the Bismarck, assisted in the rescue of the survivors, survived the sinking of his own ship one year later in the Indian ocean by the same aircraft that carried out the Pearl Harbour attack, and only just survived a "Fritz X" hit on HMS Warspite off Salerno in 1943. The stories from him and his "muckers" (Mates in the RN) when they came to visit, were a fascinating mix of boredom, terror, laughter, tragedy & escapades..... especially after a few "pusser's rums"... I so wish I'd had the forethought to record their tales, but it's too late and they're all gone now. It sounds a bit corny but at my dad's funeral I couldn't help but remember Rutger Hauer's "tears in rain" monologue from the "bladerunner" film, which if you search it out and listen to it here on YT will, I'm sure, resonate with you, as you remember all your own father's tales of his service during the war. Respects to all their memories, and best wishes to you from the UK.
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  1562. That is wisdom... to realise that what you now know is the TIP of the narrative iceberg of human existence. Always pay as much attention to the individual human stories as to the big campaign stories and their accompanying stats and figures. Ordinary servicemen and women's accounts of the events are always more fascinating.
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  1563. "One rule for the masses, and one rule for themselves".... So a bit like ALL politicians the world over then Mark? Downing Street lockdown parties being a recent example.
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  1564. With the UK being in a democracy we had freedom of speech and thought which is something that didn't exist in Germany. The UK mostly went in for morale boosting and black propaganda to be dropped on the enemy.... They didn't attempt to tell us British how to think.... they knew then that we do it for ourselves... even if modern day political shysters and the globalist MSM think they have us all enthralled with their current BS.
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  1565. Beria was minister of security and internal affairs.
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  1566. Don't try to make out the US declared war on Germany, as if it was some noble gesture. They didn't, it was the Germans who stupidly declared war on the US, and the US had to accept it.
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  1567. The two-stage A9 - A10 rocket.
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  1568. They tried to but as well as effective counter espionage on behalf of the allies, the German intelligence services had many anti nazis in its ranks including it's head Admiral Wilhelm Canaris.
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  1569. Operating out of Penang in modern day Malaysia.
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  1570. @averyannoyingdudewithadesktop Nice house in the English countryside actually, boy.
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  1571. He's already in power.
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  1572. "if Hitler could sever the assistance of the US" akin to the old saying "if my auntie had bollocks she'd be my uncle".
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  1573. Luckily the RN and RCN were there to take up the US slack in the Atlantic.
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  1574. The US did NOT "declare war on Germany". Germany made its ONLY legal declaration of war AGAINST the US on 11th Dec 1941. THe US had no say in the matter.
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  1575. The V3 was the huge underground large calibre multi-barreled gun the Germans built at Mimoyecques in the Pas de Calais region of France with the intention of heavily bombarding London with a rain of large calibre explosive projectiles. The British allowed the Germans to pour huge amounts of effort into the project, anf then blasted it to kingdom come shortly before it was due to begin operation.
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  1576.  @hilariousname6826  That's correct, my bad. I'm used to Poles broadcasting that they "never surrendered" when their country was crushed and tortured for the duration of WW2. They mistake a small resistance force for their nation NOT being completely forced out of existence for 5 years.
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  1577. "allowed himself and his HQ to be taken but didn't surrender" That's one FLIMSY little straw you're grasping at there.
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  1578. Similar to the UK govt who instituted the "Arctic star" campaign medal for the sailors who had endured incredible hardships in getting vital supplies from the uk to the USSR and helped to prevent the collapse of the soviet union during WW2. It was created in 2012.... 67 years after the event when most of those who deserved such credit had already "crossed the bar" as the navy put it. The UK govt even refused to let the arctic sailors wear the soviet "Ushakov medal" that had been awarded to MANY of them by the Soviet / Russian govt as a symbol of gratitude for their endeavours.
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  1579. Country was conquered without signing a surrender document, while its government was exiled first to France, then to Britain, where it existed until 1990.
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  1580. Another clueless left wing dupe who pisses over the sacrifices and efforts of Poland;s saviours, the UK. Shame on you, you insult the memory of your own ancestors who were SAVED by the UK.
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  1581. Absolutely Monti. And remember that whenever you nowadays hear the term "globalism" it is simply rebranded "world communism" designed to reshape the world for the benefit of the few, and the detriment of the masses.
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  1582. No disgrace... the two gentlemen mentioned as well as 250,000 OTHER Polish ex service personnel and their families had their lives saved by the UK's 1947 Polish Resettlement Act. "better a barman's job in Edinburgh than an NKVD bullet and a shallow grave in a remote Polish forest".
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  1583. Please let's discuss YOUR narrative of why it happened then?
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  1584. No stain at all lad.
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  1585. You seem unaware that after the SOVIETS stole the Polish homelands post WW2, that it was BRITAIN and its taxpayers who passed the first postwar law in 1947 to grant FULL UK citizenship and residency rights to nearly 300,000 Polish ex-service personnel, to provide them with a new national home. Please go read about the "1947 UK Polish resettlement act".
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  1586. No stain at all on UK's "national conscience".
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  1587. Sad? 250,000 Poles are given safe refuge from murderous nazis by the UK, and then when the soviets steal their country after WW2, Britain allows them to stay in the UK and provides them all with safe homes? You call that sad?
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  1588. "Under appreciated" !!! If you want to see a TRUE example of "under appreciation" look to the 450,000 British and 600,000 French lives that were sacrificed to overthrow Poland's oppressors. They're now completely discounted, ignored and even pissed upon by the globalist MSM.
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  1589. What "shameful treatment" exactly?
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  1590. BS globalism has infested religion as much as it has killed democracy in the west.
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  1591. So what? you want your weapons bought for you? Buy your own Freeloader !!!!
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  1592. Embarrasment had utterly nothing to do with it. Great Britain as a country was totally bankrupt. Exactly the same happened to hundreds of thousands of our own British service personnel returning from WW2. Were all of them somehow less deserving of better treatment & a decent standard of living than two Polish generals?
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  1593. WTF have "the west" got to do with all the "take the knee" BS? That is globalists BS, like the CONSTANT over representation of coloureds on TV, and the flooding of Europe with ethnic groups from all over the world. The same globalism that is fighting its proxy war in the Ukraine to topple the non compliant Russian regime.
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  1594.  @theplayerofus319  You mean the British and Canadians holding off the CREME of the German divisions as they flooded in from the Pas de Calais in the East? While the US got their asses kicked by a "stomach division" of elderly troops and some Russian hiwis? Hahahaha.... keep drinking that US kool-aid.
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  1595.  @theplayerofus319  "Saved by the US" my arse. Britain saved ITSELF, INSPITE of the US as much as it did BECAUSE of the US.
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  1596.  @theplayerofus319  Save all your "US saved Britain" nonsense for the uninformed. Britain saved ITSELF, INSPITE of the US as much as it did BECAUSE of the US. If the US had REALLY wanted to "help Britain" in its "hour of need", then instead of bleeding the British empire dry and causing its collapse, they could have for example sold a production license for Tetra Ethyl Lead (or TEL - The compound required for the production of hi-octane fuels) to Britain when we applied to purchase one from the "Standard Oil of Jersey City Company" prewar.... Instead they & the US Govt refused to sell one to "their British cousins"... So much for the nonsense idea of a "special relationship" between the UK & US. Standard Oil and the US Govt had NO qualms though about providing the exact same licence to the nazis when they applied to purchase one prewar. But when it came to Britain the US preferred to strip the British of ALL their gold, cutting edge technology and military bases around the world during the British "hour of need" in return for a supply of amongst other things, US produced hi-octane fuel. Where there nazi sympathies in the Standard Oil boardroom and in some parts of the US Govt? The truth is so unsavoury were the business practices of the US "Standard Oil" company (such as seeking furtive routes and brokering shady deals to supply nazi Germany with fuel and oil via neutral nations during the war) that it's activities were investigated and closely monitored by the US Govt... but only AFTER the they had been DRAGGED into WW2 in Dec 1941 by the German declaration of war on the US!!! The US "business community" engaged in VERY profitable business dealings with BOTH sides throughout WW2. US corporations such as Ford, General Motors, US Standard Oil, IBM, Kodak, Chase Bank (to name but a few) carried on "business as usual" with nazi Germany THROUGHOUT WW2. Ford's auto production facility in Cologne and General Motor's Opel subsiduary plant in Berlin were both busy working 24/7 THROUGHOUT WW2 furnishing the nazis with approximately 60% of the Wehrmacht's military transportation needs, as well as a sizeable chunk of the Luftwaffe's aero engine requirements... all the better for attacking Britain with eh, and all the while providing US companies with BILLIONS of dollars in profit, and the US govt with millions of dollars of tax revenue The "ALuminum COrporation of America" (ALCOA) for instance supplied SO much aircraft grade aluminium to nazi Germany in the late 1930s and into the early 1940s that it actually caused shortfalls within the US government's own military aircraft production schedules during the same period, so much so that in June 1941 the situation prompted Harold Ickes, US Secretary of the Interior, to go on record as saying “If America loses this coming war, it can thank the Aluminum Corporation of America”. With "friends" like the US who needs enemies?
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  1597.  @theplayerofus319  Save all your "US saved Britain" BS for the uninformed. Britain saved ITSELF, INSPITE of the US as much as it did BECAUSE of the US. If the US had REALLY wanted to "help Britain" in its "hour of need", then instead of bleeding the British empire dry and causing its collapse, they could have for example sold a production license for Tetra Ethyl Lead (or TEL - The compound required for the production of hi-octane fuels) to Britain when we applied to purchase one from the "Standard Oil of Jersey City Company" prewar.... Instead they & the US Govt refused to sell one to "their British cousins"... So much for the nonsense idea of a "special relationship" between the UK & US. Standard Oil and the US Govt had NO qualms though about providing the exact same licence to the nazis when they applied to purchase one prewar. But when it came to Britain the US preferred to strip the British of ALL their gold, cutting edge technology and military bases around the world during the British "hour of need" in return for a supply of amongst other things, US produced hi-octane fuel. Where there nazi sympathies in the Standard Oil boardroom and in some parts of the US Govt? The truth is so unsavoury were the business practices of the US "Standard Oil" company (such as seeking furtive routes and brokering shady deals to supply nazi Germany with fuel and oil via neutral nations during the war) that it's activities were investigated and closely monitored by the US Govt... but only AFTER the they had been DRAGGED into WW2 in Dec 1941 by the German declaration of war on the US!!! The US "business community" engaged in VERY profitable business dealings with BOTH sides throughout WW2. US corporations such as Ford, General Motors, US Standard Oil, IBM, Kodak, Chase Bank (to name but a few) carried on "business as usual" with nazi Germany THROUGHOUT WW2. Ford's auto production facility in Cologne and General Motor's Opel subsiduary plant in Berlin were both busy working 24/7 THROUGHOUT WW2 furnishing the nazis with approximately 60% of the Wehrmacht's military transportation needs, as well as a sizeable chunk of the Luftwaffe's aero engine requirements... all the better for attacking Britain with eh, and all the while providing US companies with BILLIONS of dollars in profit, and the US govt with millions of dollars of tax revenue The "ALuminum COrporation of America" (ALCOA) for instance supplied SO much aircraft grade aluminium to nazi Germany in the late 1930s and into the early 1940s that it actually caused shortfalls within the US government's own military aircraft production schedules during the same period, so much so that in June 1941 the situation prompted Harold Ickes, US Secretary of the Interior, to go on record as saying “If America loses this coming war, it can thank the Aluminum Corporation of America”. With "friends" like the US who needs enemies? Britain saved ITSELF INSPITE of the US as much as BECAUSE of the US !!!
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  1598. Why do stupid people imagine that it was the sole responsibility of the UK to act as the "policeman of Europe" Why didn't the countries of central Europe not spend more on their OWN armed forces during the interwar years to defend themselves or settle their own stupid petty differences and strike up a joint coalition to collectively defend themselves? Instead of expecting the UK taxpayer to sort out the rest of Europe's problems? Face reality, if it wasn't for the British and French declaration of war in 1939 your countries and populations would STILL to this day be under the control of nazi Germany, seeing as NO-ONE else in the world cared if you were dying under nazi tyranny or not.... the USSR was only too happy to assist nazi Germany in its sacking of Europe at that point, and the US was greedily making such VAST profits off BOTH sides of the conflict that it had NO intention of taking up arms against its two highest paying "international customers". It was ONLY the British and the French declaration of war in 1939 that triggered off the opposition to nazism and then after the French surrender in 1940 the British Empire ALONE maintained the opposition that eventually resulted in the toppling of the nazi regime. Some mature gratitude to the 460,000 Brits who died in a war that never conquered our country would be in order. But I won't hold my breath waiting for it... too many non thinkers nowadays blindly follow without question the BS that globalist media companies now push out.
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  1599. My own father was conscritped in 1939, saw his family for one week in 6 years, survived the sinking of his ship by japanese dive bombers in the Indian Ocean in 1942, narrowly avoided death when HMS Warspite was hit by a "Fritz X" bomb in 1943 and suffered lifelong hearing damage as a result. In early 1946 he was handed a "demob suit" and unceremoniously told to "f*ck off". He was given a "minor disablement" addition to his state pension 45 years after being partially deafened, because like these Polish Generals he was too proud to be "means tested" for any "compensation", and he was BRITISH to start with !!! He was no different from MILLIONS of others who suffered likewise from all nations. The notion that Polish Generals, as honourable and courageous as they were, were somehow automatically entitled to a better standard of living than millions of other equally deserving cases is not explained by Mark.
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  1600. There were millions of our OWN people in the queue in front of foreign generals.
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  1601. So the 250-300,000 Polish lives we saved by giving them a safe new national home after the theft of their Polish homelands by communism post WW2 count for nothing I suppose?
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  1602. Highlighting the far higher death toll of 20th century socialism doesn't sit well with the current globalist agenda A.K.A "world socialism V2.0"
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  1603. Go get on the first flight to Ukraine Carl, globalists are ALWAYS in need of fresh cannon fodder..... Go on... go grab some GLORY for yourself !!!!
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  1604. More BS. Please tell me where was the "sale" exactly? What "profit" did the western allies get for that "sale"? The only thing they got was having to house hundreds of thousands of exiled Poles, now unable to return to their Polish homelands. In case you're too thick to understand, the soviets had "liberated" eastern and central Europe at the cost of millions of soviet lives. No "handing over" or "sale" was necessary. It was already in their hands.
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  1605. No "stain" on the UK at all in this instance. If you want to talk about national "stains" lets discuss the countless millions murdered by the Germans and Russians, or the wiping out of the "first nation Americans" by the US, or the part played by Spain in the destruction of mutliple South American civilisations. Or the murder of milllions of Europeans by the Persian Empire in the 5th century BC, or the slaying of untold innocents by the "Mongol hordes" in the 13th & 14th centuries.
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  1606. Please explain how they were betrayed.... if you can.
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  1607. Please name me a country that has an unblemished international reputation.... then maybe name another imperial power who when at the very pinnacle of their imperial might took it upon themselves to outlaw human slavery?
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  1608. Give over. 300,000 Poles saved by Britain from death at the hands of communists. Is THAT the "disgrace" you mention?
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  1609. What about the 450,000 British citizens who were sacrificed in a war to wipe nazism from the face of Europe? The same nazism that had conquered Poland? If it wasn't for Britain and France declaring war in the nazis in 1939, then German extermination camps in Poland would have been running at fult pelt into the 1950s and 60s. You're welcome.
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  1610. How did their allies "allies" screw them exactly? The Soviets screwed them and they were given a new home safe from the evils of communism by their western allies.
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  1611. Well said Matthew.... Polish national pride WITHOUT pissing over the memories of others who fought and died to release your country from nazi tyranny, only to then see the evils of communism take over your proud country. Best wishes from the UK.
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  1612. ​ @ciarypowykonie3096  Its fairly unusual for someone of one nation in a standoff to speak out in defence of the other, its an admittedly groundless though completely reasonable assumption that I've made. The point of my comment stands regardless.
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  1613. The ignorance of SOME modern day Poles (and lefty agitators) as witnessed in so many of the comments in this thread is quite shameless. Their ignorance of the fact that if it hadn't been for the British & French declaration of war in 1939, regardless of their inability to give meaningful support to Poland in its "hour of need" or if the UK had surrendered in june 1940 after the collapse of France (as the ENTIRE world expected us to) then Poland would have remained under nazi domination for DECADES. Remember that apart from Britain and France (who between them collectively squandered 1.1 million of their own citizen's lives, as well as both bankrupting themselves as nations) absolutely NO ONE in the so called "international community" raised a finger or cared whether Poland existed or not in 1939. Without the continued opposition of the British empire to nazism from June 1940 onwards, there would have been: NO D-Day and war in the Meditteranean to draw sizeable wehrmacht resources from the war on the Eastern Front. NO strategic bombing of German cities and war industries. NO interdiction of German global sea trade by the Royal Navy. NO massive supply of weapons and war materiel from the west to the USSR, once their former allies nazi Germany had turned on them. NO utterly crucial strategic intelligence courtesy of Britain's (not Poland's before you say it) "ULTRA" program. With the result that the USSR would have collapsed somewhere in 1942/43, leaving the nazis in control of the whole of Europe, and their extermination camps still operating on Polish soil into the 1950s, 60s, or even 70s. For those Ignorant modern day Poles, on your way out, please remember to kneel at the altar dedicated to the combined 1.1 million lives sacrificed by the UK and France in order to topple the nazism that was murdering and torturing YOUR country when NOBODY else cared whether you lived or died. Seeing comments as disgusting as yours would make some people regret not leaving Poland under nazi rule, as without the UK there was never ANY hope of you escaping from it.
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  1614.  @marshad82  Take your complaint to the United Nations, the international globalist organisation that recognised the Warsaw government as Poland's OFFICIAL governing body. I'm glad that you accept the fact that far from the usual "Poland was banned from the march" nonsense that does the rounds amongst those of lesser intelligence, that Britain did indeed issue TWO invites to the Poles. The problem lies (and always HAS lay) with the Poles themselves and NOT the UK. Yeah I have a bone to pick when there is an ENDLESS stream of misinformed drivel that is constantly spewed over the UK and the sacrifices its people made for the sake of Europe.
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  1615. Yes indeed. Hundreds of thousands of British troops returning to bomb blasted, worn out & bankrupted Britain after WW2 had their lives ruined.
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  1616. "handing Poland to Stalin"? Utter nonsense. if you knew histroy you'd know that Poland was "liberated" from nazi tyranny by the soviets. No handing over needed.
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  1617. What were these "UK interests" you talk about? Sacrificing 450,000 of their own citizens with the aim of bankrupting their own nation? You're smart aren't you?
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  1618. Oh give over with your complete nonsense. The British SAVED the lives of the Polish generals, just as they saved the lives of the rest of the Polish refugees that had run cravenly from nazism in 1939/40 to the safety of the UK, after having their arses kicked by the Wehrmacht. If they were so poorly treated by the UK then why did over 250,000 of them remain in Britain after WW2? Stop reading left wing agitprop BS and mistaking it for reality.
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  1619. The ignorance and ingratitude of SOME modern day Poles (and lefty agitators) as witnessed in so many of the comments in this thread is quite shameless. Their ignorance of the fact that if it hadn't been for the British & French declaration of war in 1939, regardless of their inability to give meaningful support to Poland in its "hour of need", or if the UK had surrendered in june 1940 after the collapse of France (as the ENTIRE world expected us to) then Poland would have remained under nazi domination for DECADES. Remember that apart from Britain and France (who between them collectively squandered 1.1 million of their own citizen's lives, as well as both bankrupting themselves as nations) absolutely NO ONE in the so called "international community" raised a finger or cared whether Poland existed or not in 1939. Without the continued opposition of the British empire to nazism from June 1940 onwards, there would have been: NO D-Day and war in the Meditteranean to draw sizeable wehrmacht resources from the war on the Eastern Front. NO strategic bombing of German cities and war industries. NO interdiction of German global sea trade by the Royal Navy. NO massive supply of weapons and war materiel from the west to the USSR, once their former allies nazi Germany had turned on them. NO utterly crucial strategic intelligence courtesy of Britain's (not Poland's before you say it) "ULTRA" program. With the result that the USSR would have collapsed somewhere in 1942/43, leaving the nazis in control of the whole of Europe, and their extermination camps still operating on Polish soil into the 1950s, 60s, or even 70s. For those Ignorant modern day Poles, on your way out, please remember to kneel at the altar dedicated to the combined 1.1 million lives sacrificed by the UK and France in order to topple the nazism that was murdering and torturing YOUR country when NOBODY else cared whether you lived or died. And for all current honourable, and deeper thinking Poles, please accept our best wishes from the UK.
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  1620.  @angelkf65  How did the "west" "hand over" eastern Poland when it was the Soviets who "liberated" it? The "west" never had possession of eastern Europe to "hand it over" to the evils of communism. What you actually mean without realising it is that the "West" never sacrificed further millions of US and European lives to push the Soviets out of central and eastern Europe. Its a pity that you and the legions of "unthinkers" in these comment sections weren't personally there the lead the charge into the massed ranks of the Red Army in Summer 1945.
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  1621. The Soviet betrayal of Poland WAS indeed criminal.
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  1622. How does being saved from Soviet brutality, and living out a full life in the UK instead of ending up dead in a ditch in a remote Polish forest with a soviet bullet in the back of your head pass for "punishment"? The Polish generals were NOT prisoners in the UK. They were free to leave the UK at ANY time they chose. They chose to stay here in the UK... mustn't have been that bad after all !!!
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  1623. The UK was bankrupt, and didn't have the money to look after millions of its OWN people. including hundreds of thousands of its own citizens who were returning from military service across the world. Why should foreign generals be allowed to "jump the queue"? The Poles were not prisoners in the UK.... if they so wished they could have left to travel elsewhere. As it was the were apparently only too happy to stay here in the UK, grateful of the refuge that we had provided them after the theft of their homelands by the communists post WW2.
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  1624. No it's not. Really it isn't.
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  1625. How ignorant you are. The freedom of Europe from nazism today is SOLELY rooted in the UK. Leave your thanks to your British saviours below.
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  1626.  @DazednConfused0  That is true, and I apologise for my presumption, but I'm highlighting the fact that by Mark pointing his research at two very specific cases without any supporting context, it subliminally gives the impression that these two gallant gentlemen were alone in their treatment. They weren't. You have only to read the comments section below to see the level of general ignorance on the subject and see how those with an interest in, but no deeper knowledge of, the subject are drawn to misleading conclusions by these cases being discussed without ANY context whatsoever. All the best.
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  1627. Why in particular? Exactly the same happened to hundreds of thousands of our own British service personnel returning from WW2. Were all of them somehow less deserving of better treatment & a decent standard of living than two Polish generals?
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  1628. So what? MILLIONS were treated poorly after WW2. Do you think everyone else was given a free house and car and an income for life?
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  1629.  @ShakespearHD  Here, let me rectify that situation. If you'd like a brief(ish) outline of the run up to the 1946 victory parade then read on, It's something I've written previously that I have saved ready to "copy and paste" in response to the oft repeated nonsense within YT regarding a supposed British "ban" on Poles at the victory parade. For those who believe Poland was "excluded" from the 1946 London victory parade, here is a brief timeline of what actually happened to give some context to the oft repeated nonsense that "Brits never invited the Poles" or "the Brits banned the Poles". Since before the end of WW2 in Europe, Britain and the US had been negotiating with the Soviets over the future of eastern Europe and especially Poland in post WW2 Europe. The UK & US wanted a democratic Polish government that would by way of democracy include both the Polish communists of the existing Moscow backed "Lublin committee", and the Polish nationalists from the Polish Govt in exile that had been based in London during most of WW2. This proposed "Polish provisional government of national unity" (Tymczasowy Rząd Jedności Narodowej) was to be setup in Warsaw, and was agreed to by all of the "Big 3" (UK / US / USSR) at the Feb 1945 Yalta conference, but from the outset the Soviets then occupying Poland did everything they practically could to bar the inclusion of the "London Poles" within the "unity govt", and to intimidate & marginalise the small number of nationalists that did eventually make it into the provisional govt. With regard to the 1946 Victory parade when Britain sent out its invites to all of the countries that had fought on the side of the Allies during WW2, The British Labour government of Clement Attlee, quite correctly handed the Polish invitation to the newly constituted Warsaw based "Polish provisional government of national unity" which was after all now the OFFICIAL government of Poland, as recognised by the United Nations. The now effectively powerless & stateless nationalist Polish government in exile in London took great offence at their sidelining in this matter, and raised a torrent of indignation within the UK Parliament that was backed by many British MPs and ordinary people. A few days before the parade was due to take place, and with no response having been forthcoming from the Warsaw government, a belated invitation was hurriedly sent both to the Polish Govt in Exile in London as well as directly to various Polish generals who had fought with the allies, ALL of whom felt so disgusted with the perceived public disrespect shown by the INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY (That is, being made to play "second fiddle" to the official Warsaw Polish government on the world stage) that they CHOSE not to attend the parade to register their fury and resentment at not being consulted first. And the final ignominy? The Soviet backed Warsaw government neither acknowledged the British invite, or attended the parade either.
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  1630. No it wasn't. It was the ONLY country to get TWO invites... and ignored them BOTH.
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  1631. Why talk complete bollocks Roy? Go avail yourself of the 1947 Polish Resettlement Act, the UK law that granted FULL UK citizenship and residency rights to 250,000 Polish ex service personnel AND their families, thereby saving them from brutality and death at the hands of POLISH communists? You DO of course realise that without the UK alone that Poland today would not exist and would simply be a footnote in modern history books, a former nation where the alt-reality present day countries of nazi East Prussia and the General Government region of the nazi empire would now stand? Stop pissing over the sacrifices and compassion of your fellow countrymen.
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  1632.  @Silentpeeinurine  The book being written in 1935 did indeed acknowledge Hitler's & the nazis succesful efforts to unite & stabilise Germany after the terrible 1920s. BUT it was not an unreserved accolade for Hitler from Churchill. Churchill clearly stated that though great strides had been made to prevent the fall of Germany to communism, it remained to be seen (which it did in 1935) if Hitler would go on to make Germany a stable peaceful powerhouse within Europe, or forge ahead with arming her ready for territorial conquest.
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  1633.  @whiteclouds26  No "excuses" needed. The UK and France were the ONLY two countries to oppose the rise of nazism. The USA was only TOO happy to continuie making VAST profits from BOTH sides of the European conflict, and the USSR was nazi Germany's "best friend forever" (well at least until 22nd June 1941) happily supplying it with millions of tons of food, fuel and raw materials, in order to keep her attacking western Europe. If it wasn't for the UK then Europe would be nazi dominated until this very day, and the USA would have got its "isolationists dream" of being trapped between a nazi dominated Europe and a Japanese dominated Asia.
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  1634. Doubling down on your total nonsense I see... even YT won't post your reply in the thread (just in my notifcations) seeing as it has such a high degree of utter BS in it.
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  1635.  @MrGreg771  PS Your English is very good, considering it isn't your first language.
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  1636.  @MrGreg771  Oh dear... straight for the "Ad Homs". Never a good sign is it? Usually an indicator of shallowness and a lack of substance to back up the original empty assertion. I'll ask again for YOUR opinion of the matter, and then I'll happily challenge the nonsense of your argument... if indeed you have one.
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  1637. Please tell me more, How did "Great britain carried out treaty in 1939"?
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  1638.  @willged2233  What has ANY of that got to do with Britain SUPPOSEDLY treating the Poles badly? I've EVERY sympathy with you if you hate the Soviets and the Germans, completely understandable. But Britain & France were the ONLY countries in the entire world who gave two hoots whether Poland existed or not, not a single other country in the so called "international community" so much as lifted a finger against Poland's nemesis. UK sacrificed 450,000 citizens and France gave 600,000 lives as well as bankrupting themselves to oppose nazism and Japanese militarism, and then when in 1945 the SOVIETS stole Poland after "liberating" it from nazism who was the FIRST country to give the Polish ex-service personnel a new national home? Yes THE UNITED KINGDOM no less !!! So much lefty BS spoken on the subject, and I can't help but think Mark himself is now showing some "agenda" and is not so unbiased as I hoped he was, otherwise why would he NOT so much as mention the 1947 act of parliament that was Britain's "debt of Honour" that was shouldered by the UK taxpayer at the end of WW2, when the UK was already destroyed and bankrupt due to helping to destroy Poland's conqueror.
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  1639. Why talk complete bollocks about subjects you have no idea about? How "unjust" is the UK Taxpayer for giving nearly 300,000 Polish ex-service personnel AND their families a new home in the UK after their own home was stolen by the USSR? Go read about it in the 1947 UK Polish Resettlement act passed by the labour government of Clement Attlee, the FIRST nation in the world to pass such a law, followed in 1948 by the French with the shameless USA flollowing suit in 1949.
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  1640. 2 gallant foreign generals? What about the hundreds of thousands of EQUALLY deserving returning British troops, who likewise returned to a bombed and devastated Britain which had been financially bankrupted by the fight to prevent a German hegemony in Europe? The Polish Generals were just another two faces in the crowd.
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  1641. Neither does a rape victim.
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  1642. Don't forget to kneel at the altar dedicated to the lives of the 450,000 British and 600,000 French citizens who died in the struggle to destroy the oppressors of Poland on your way out......
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  1643. Any more BS?
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  1644. In what way do you consider the sacrifice of 450,000 British and 600,000 French lives in the overthrowing of Poland's conquerors "A betrayal"?
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  1645.  @piotrnod6489  Lets look at what the major powers did as Poland was torn to pieces in 1939 shall we? USSR ? Assisted their "non-aggression" partner nazi Germany in dismembering Poland (and then immediately started their reign of terror with massacres such as the one at Katyn, where the soviet NKVD wiped out the Polish senior officer corps and Polish intelligensia in 1940. USA ? Sat on the sidelines watching and happily profiteering from BOTH sides of the conflict, while the nazis & soviets had already set about destroying Poland. British Empire & France ? Declared war at a time when absolutely NOBODY else in the entire world was interested whether Poland existed or not. With not having access to naval bases on the French Atlantic coast, the nazis would not have struggled even more that they did to wage the battle of the Atlantic, and its questionable when they would have eventually have declared was on the USA, possibly prefering to finish off European Russia and then consolidate their eastern European colonies first, before turning west in the late 1940s If we hadn't declared war in 1939, then there would have been no one to support the USSR once the nazis had turned on them, meaning there would have been NO supplies of war material from the west to the USSR & no strategic intelligence coming from the British codebreakers to Stalin (and so the USSR collapses in 1942 /43) therefore no "liberation" of Europe from the east and with no declaration of war from UK / France then no salvation from the west either, and the Poles and Jews would have been gassed into the 1950 & 60s or even beyond. P.S Please remember to kneel at the altar to the 1.1 million British & French civilians who died overthrowing nazism on your way out.
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  1646. Who says "For the Polish people the Allies were traitors"? apart from uninformed commenters in YT? Imagine if the United Kingdom had NOT passed the "1947 UK Polish Resettlement act" that granted FULL UK citizenship and residency rights to Maczek and Sosabowski as well as nearly 300,000 other Polish ex-service personnel AND the families (hence why Britain has such a strong Polish community since WW2). If Britain had NOT passed such a law then the generals in question and all their comrades would have been "repatriated" to the Polish lands of their birth, probably to end up in a ditch in a remote Polish forest, covered in a shovelful of quicklime, similar to how the Polish officer cadre / intelligensia were treated in 1940 at the "Katyn massacre" at the hands of the soviets. That puts the humanity of the United Kingdom into a slightly different perspective, my only query is why Mark STUDIOUSLY avoids mentioning that fact in any of his videos on the subject of UK / Polish relations. And thats before we even touch on the subject of the deaths of 1.1 million British and French citizens who died during WW2 to remove the nazi death camps from Poland.
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  1647. It was far from an ideal situation indeed. Exactly the same as it was for MILLIONS of ordinary troops across Britain & Europe after WW2, but in the end the western democracies gave a safe new national home to the hundreds of thousands of Poles who were left stateless by the theft of their country by the Soviets at the end of WW2.
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  1648. Well said and completely correct Heinz, but it would have been at a cost of further millions of lives in a Europe already bled white by five and a half years of horror, potentially with the use of nuclear weapons in central Europe.
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  1649. You really need to brush up on your spelling. That's NOT how you spell "Invaded and stolen".
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  1650. Think of a number.... any number, now double it, multiply it by 10, then raise it to the power of 17, then add the number you first thought of, and you have now arrived at the "death toll" caused by "Churchill"... got any more BS for us to laugh at?
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  1651. Their lives were saved by the UK's 1947 Polish Resettlement Act. Do some reading about it.
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  1652.  @gupadre8255  I lost it when kicking ignorant commenters up the arse in YT threads (not you btw) 🙂
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  1653. What?? bad?? Bad for passing the FIRST laws in Europe giving stateless Poles a new national home, safe from the evils of communism? How bloody AWFUL of them !!!!
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  1654. What was? Saving 300,000 Poles from the brutality of postwar communist rule in Poland? There's no pleasing some people, is there?
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  1655. "Winston Churchill" had little to do with anything actively happening at this point... He'd been booted out of government during the spring 1945 UK general election.
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  1656. The ignorance of SOME modern day Poles (and lefty agitators) as witnessed in so many of the comments in this thread is quite shameless. Their ignorance of the fact that if it hadn't been for the British & French declaration of war in 1939, regardless of their inability to give meaningful support to Poland in its "hour of need", or if the UK had surrendered in june 1940 after the collapse of France (as the ENTIRE world expected us to) then Poland would have remained under nazi domination for DECADES. Remember that apart from Britain and France (who between them collectively squandered 1.1 million of their own citizen's lives, as well as both bankrupting themselves as nations) absolutely NO ONE in the so called "international community" raised a finger or cared whether Poland existed or not in 1939. Without the continued opposition of the British empire to nazism from June 1940 onwards, there would have been: NO D-Day and war in the Meditteranean to draw sizeable wehrmacht resources from the war on the Eastern Front. NO strategic bombing of German cities and war industries. NO interdiction of German global sea trade by the Royal Navy. NO massive supply of weapons and war materiel from the west to the USSR, once their former allies nazi Germany had turned on them. NO utterly crucial strategic intelligence courtesy of Britain's (not Poland's before you say it) "ULTRA" program. With the result that the USSR would have collapsed somewhere in 1942/43, leaving the nazis in control of the whole of Europe, and their extermination camps still operating on Polish soil into the 1950s, 60s, or even 70s. For those Ignorant modern day Poles, on your way out, please remember to kneel at the altar dedicated to the combined 1.1 million lives sacrificed by the UK and France in order to topple the nazism that was murdering and torturing YOUR country when NOBODY else cared whether you lived or died.
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  1657.  @ciarypowykonie3096  I'd consider being transformed from the world's greatest financial power, to the world's greatest debtor in the space of 45 years as being a fair representation of having "next to nothing". It seems that its YOU who is now making groundless (and incorrect) assumptions, in assuming that I "have no clue what next to nothing means", especially with myself coming from a UK working class heritage that includes ancestors in the 20th century dying early deaths from typhus as well as various other illnesses and ailments of poverty and exploitation. Like you have kindly allowed me, I will also graciously grant you the choice to believe whatever opposing fallacy you choose to.
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  1658. P.S and they weren't treated "like trash". The UK provide a new national home, safe from the evils of communism for nearly 300,000 Polis ex-service personnel AND their families, at a time when we were a broke, bankrupted country badly damaged by 6 years of bombing and rocketing with a massive national housing shortage. We had next to nothing, but we shared it with the Poles. Is THAT being treated "like trash"?
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  1659. Seems you've utterly NO knowledge of postwar events in Europe... what "role" do you imagine the UK have in the "creation of Belgium" exactly? Also Poland ending up in the soviet "Sphere of influence" was NOTHING to do with the UK govt. Churchill had by war's end already ordered CIGS (Chief of the Imperial General Staff) to draw up plans to push the soviet "red steamroller" back to its 1939 borders after WW2. When the plans were shown to the US govt (who were after all the largest western allied force) the US govt dismissed the plans out of hand, because what was unknown to the UK govt at the time was that Stalin & Roosevelt (followed by Truman) had already had secret negotiations with the USSR to allow the soviets to retain control over eastern and central Europe, the pay off being that the soviets would for their part immediately declare war on the Japanese empire (the "manhattan project" had not yet been successfully completed at the time of the negotiations) and would also agree to sign up to the "United Nations", both events subsequently took place. Only after the UK govt learned of it's betrayal by the US govt, did they they then "get what they could" out of the situation by Churchill negotiating with Stalin to keep Greece out of the soviet sphere of control, removing soviet access to the Mediterranean, and any threat to the Suez canal. By summer 1945 the UK's Attlee govt had little say in anything that happened in Europe.
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  1660. Don;t rely on this video, it is VERY one sided and completely misses out a WHOLE lot of the story to provide an unbalanced view of the situation.
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  1661. Shameful? What? Sacrificing 450,000 of your citizens lives and bankrupting your nation to overthrow the oppressors of Poland? And then when the Soviets renege on the Feb 45 Yalta agreement, Britain without any hesitation then gave nearly 300,000 Polish ex-service personnel and their families a new national home after the SOVIETS stole their original one. (please read about the 1947 UK Polish Resettlement act... the first such act after WW2, we caused the French to do likewise in 1948 and the shamed the US to eventually follow suit in 1949). So what 2 Polish generals lives never panned out as they expected? Here's some "breaking news" neither did the lives of countless MILLIONS of other people in the wake of WW2 my own family's included.... they had to just "get on With it"? At least the Poles were thanked and given a new safe home free of charge. And the tanks you get for it is to be told "you should be ashamed" !!!! Sorry but its just bollocks.
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  1662. Why do you feel that two Polish generals were automatically entitled to a fine standard of living in the UK post WW2 at a cost to the British taxpayer, when we couldn't afford to look after hundreds of thousands of our own returning troops?
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  1663.  @rupertjames5467  It's not just your comment but the TIDAL wave of public perception, witnessed in many YT comment threads that "Alan Turing saved the world", when the truth is FAR more detailed and nuanced than that. My concern is historical accuracy and due credit being given to all the right people, and not just a small handful selected by the "SJWs" that push the "Turing narrative".
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  1664.  @rupertjames5467  P.S He wasn't sent to prison and did not commit suicide there. He chose the option of "chemical castration", and was at home in Manchester when he took cyanide to end his life. All of which is DEEPLY tragic and awful in its own right. But in arguing against his dreadful treatment, do try not to wipe other people out of history while you're doing it.
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  1665. ​ @rupertjames5467  Re-read my post, my point is quite clear enough. You, whilst lauding the "identity warrior's" favourite "persecuted homosexual" by saying "HE" was responsible for breaking German encryption, have totally erased the efforts of the TEAM of men and women who carried out Britain's decryption effort. Alan TURING (he means SO much to you that you even fail to spell his name correctly, apparently you're more interested in his homosexuality that his actual historical contribution) was NOT solely responsible for the breaking of Germany's encryption, he was just ONE important person AMONGST MANY OTHER IMPORTANT PEOPLE WHO WE NEVER HEAR ABOUT BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T "PERSECUTED HOMOSEXUALS" (I included the caps to indicate the thrust of my point)!!! Fancy sacrificing other people's GARGANTUAN efforts at the altar of you own favourite cause?
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  1666. "He" was responsible for breaking German codes? Thereby wiping out the TEAM of people who achieved the task.... names such as Bill Tutte, Gordon Welchman, Max Newman, Tommy Flowers. Their problem was that they weren't persecuted homosexuals, and so apparently are not worthy of remembrance.
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  1667.  @thosdot6497  I can easily equate the takeover of power by the left educated postwar intelligensia and their offspring ever since as they have "marched through the institutions" of the west, complete with the global spread of their influence and the chaos caused by their planned mismanagement of the economy very much as the successor to the erstwhile Soviet "comintern". The fact that its exponents dress themselves up as capitalists in sharp suits is mere camoflage as to the intention of their aims.
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  1668.  @thosdot6497  I agree with you completely thosdot, but the fact of Poland's enslavement by communism was NOTHING to do with British foreign policy, merely the product of the evils of communism in wishing to force their vile doctrines across the world (carried on to this day as "globalism" or "communism 2.0"). Don't get me wrong, I'm no lover of political ideologues at EITHER end of the spectrum.
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  1669. Well said Clive, its hard, for those who have a good understanding of the overall situation, to NOT conclude that Mark has some degree of "agenda" of his own.
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  1670. The same ALL over the world.
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  1671. IN case you haven't been keeping up with events, the British empire collapsed after WW2.
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  1672. No, it was the US and USSR who divided up postwar Europe. The UK just financed the Polish war effort & gave refuge to the Poles who fought in the west after the "dirty" was done by the two postwar "superpowers".
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  1673. All down to the unfortunate geographical location of Poland to be sandwitched between two belligerent power blocs. But the perception of a lot of clueless YT commenters (not yourself) is "Hey!!! forget all that and just blame it on the British".
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  1674. Geoff you realise that receiving a state pension is NOTHING to do with military service, and EVERYTHING to do with making sufficient national insurance contributions? Sincere respects to the service of your stepfather btw.
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  1675.  @sergecashman4822  "War is not black and white"... absolutely correct, to see so many people in threads like these repeating the same unfounded nonsense, usually tilted against the UK gets tiresome, I know we were not perfect, no country is, but anti Brit feeling which has always been present is DEFINITELY being stoked up over the last few years. It makes a nice change to reach a concensus with another poster for once... instead of the usual flame war. Respects for your own service.
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  1676.  @sergecashman4822  I have no axe to grind with Poland and its people, far from it. BUT I do get tired of people pouring disdain over the UK when it had just nearly destroyed itself in the task of opposing nazism, when the rest of the world had already resigned themselves to the fact that their conquest of Europe was a fait accompli. Hard decisions had to be made, and FAR more British people suffered as a result of those decisions post WW2. Best wishes from the UK.
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  1677. Hundreds of thousands of EQUALLY deserving returning British service personnel were treated no better.
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  1678. Yes..... they forgot to add the words "saviour of Poland" though....
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  1679.  @franktuminski8460  So just detail to me Frank how you imagine "Poles were betrayed by Brits"? The truth is if it wasn't for the Brits, Poland would today no longer exist at ALL!!!
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  1680.  @verusmember997  Erm I think you'll find it was also in their OWN interest to defend the REFUGE they had sought... having already run from at least two countries to escape the nazis it was obvious they didn't want to be captured in the third country they had come to for safety. Defending their safe refuge allowed them to carry on the fight to topple the regime that was then torturing THEIR families. Give over trying to make out they were in the service of the UK.
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  1681.  @123pik1  So you now understand how the British feel when the thousands of clueless Polish commenters in YT threads CONSTANTLY parrot that "Poles fought and died for Britain". They didn't. Just as you conclude that the British never died for the Poles. The difference being that Britain would not have been beaten regardless of whether Poles took part in the Battle of Britain or not, on the other hand Poland would never have been freed from nazi tyranny if it hadn't been for the British as I detailed above. I'm glad you've finally understood the whole point of my posting.
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  1682.  @123pik1  P.S To show how even handed I am in my assessment above, I would say that the as well as the purchase of supplies from the US, by FAR the most crucial aid towards the UK were the Canadians, who without the Royal Canadian Navy swelling in size and playing a MAJOR part in the battle of the Atlantic might have seen Brtain starved out of the war by the u-boat campaign, with a resultant potentially unstoppable German continental empire.
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  1683.  @123pik1  "I have no idea how their death helped Poland when Polish, Czech and others sacrifacies helped Britain" Without the continued opposition of the British empire to nazism from June 1940 onwards, there would have been: NO D-Day and war in the Meditteranean to draw sizeable wehrmacht resources from the war on the Eastern Front. NO strategic bombing of German cities and war industries. NO interdiction of German global sea trade by the Royal Navy. NO massive supply of weapons and war materiel from the west to the USSR, once their former allies nazi Germany had turned on them. NO utterly crucial strategic intelligence courtesy of Britain's (not Poland's before you say it) "ULTRA" program. With the result that the USSR would have collapsed somewhere in 1942/43, leaving the nazis in control of the whole of Europe, and their extermination camps still operating on Polish soil into the 1950s, 60s, or even 70s. THAT'S how the deaths of 460,000 British citizens helped Poland.
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  1684.  @123pik1  The suggestion that British sacrificed its citizens for Poland holds FAR more water than the oft repeated nonsense that "Poles fought and died for Britain". Simple as Pik.
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  1685.  @123pik1  Britain declared and executed a war against a greedy and aggresive nazi Germany, that had already consumed Poland, Czechoslovakia and Austria. If it had not declared war then those countries would have remained under nazi occupation for decades if not for ever.
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  1686.  @123pik1  Pik, you make it sound as if the UK got everyone else to do the fighting and did none itself !!! The fact that the UK was the ONLY active opposition to the nazis allowed hundreds of thousands of European service personnel to continue the fight to liberate THEIR countries by fighting ALONGSIDE the armed forces of the UK... what is the problem with that? Accusing me of misrepresenting who UK service personnel were fighting for is LAUGHABLE when you look at the WIDELY held misconseception that Poles / Czechs / French / Dutch / Belgian troops were "fighting for Britain" after the fall of France, which is utterly RIDICULOUS !!! They were clearly fighting to topple the nazi tyranny that had enslaved THEIR countries, and the UK gave them the ability to carry on that fight. The fact that they provided a relatively small proportion of the defence of the UK against German attacks was because without the UK, there was NEVER a hope of ever liberating THEIR countries. None of this is criticism of the European nations or the bravery and resolve of their armed forces, but simply stating the actuality of the situation.
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  1687.  @piotrweydmann3345  Once again Piotr, its easy to say now with our hindsight, but in 1939 just 20 years after the apocalyptic bloodletting of WW1, ALL countries in Europe (apart from nazi Germany and the Soviet Union) bent over BACKWARDS to avoid a repeat of the earlier bloodshed. Until the invasion of France in May 1940 there was STILL a strong desire for a peaceful resolution to the situation, hence the initial refusal then begrudged reluctance to start bombing Germany until after the nazi attack westwards.
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  1688. Very well said, the only thing I would correct is to say "The treatment of ALL European soldiers after the war was awful".
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  1689. When you say "what the allies did to them after the war" let me clarify that statement. The USSR reneged on the feb 1945 Yalta agreement to allow democratic elections in Poland post WW2, and because of that communist treachery, the UK was the FIRST nation to provide nearly 300,000 Polish ex-service personnel AND their fmailies with a new national home in the UK. It led to the French doing likewise in 1948 with the sahamefaced US finally following suit in 1949.
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  1690. That's one way of looking at it, another is to consider that without the "1947 UK Polish Resettlement Act" passed by the UK Govt, those same commanders could have been repatriated to postwar Poland, to face a fate similar to those who were murdered in the 1940 "Katyn massacre" of the Polish General Staff and intelligensia at the hands of the communists, that is dead in a ditch covered in quicklime.... it puts the pulling of pints behind a Scottish bar into perspective.
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  1691.  @CB-fz3li  I typed this out a while ago but keep a lot of info ready to "copy and paste" for the LEGIONS of those who choose to believe that "the Brits banned the Poles". For those who believe Poland was "excluded" from the 1946 London victory parade, here is a brief timeline of what actually happened to give some context to the oft repeated nonsense that "Brits never invited the Poles" or "the Brits banned the Poles". Since before the end of WW2 in Europe, Britain and the US had been negotiating with the Soviets over the future of eastern Europe and especially Poland in post WW2 Europe. The UK & US wanted a democratic Polish government that would by way of democracy include both the Polish communists of the existing Moscow backed "Lublin committee", and the Polish nationalists from the Polish Govt in exile that had been based in London during most of WW2. This proposed "Polish provisional government of national unity" (Tymczasowy Rząd Jedności Narodowej) was to be setup in Warsaw, and was finally agreed to by all of the "Big 3" (UK / US / USSR) at the Feb 1945 Yalta conference, but from the outset the Soviets then occupying Poland did everything they practically could to bar the inclusion of the "London Poles" within the "unity govt", and to intimidate & marginalise the small number of nationalists that did eventually make it into the provisional govt. With regard to the 1946 Victory parade when Britain sent out its invites to all of the countries that had fought alongside the Allies during WW2, The British Labour government of Clement Attlee, quite correctly handed the Polish invitation to the newly constituted Warsaw based "Polish provisional government of national unity" which was after all now the official government of Poland, as recognised by the United Nations. The now effectively powerless & stateless nationalist Polish government in exile in London took great offence at their sidelining in this matter, and raised a torrent of indignation within the UK Parliament that was backed by many British MPs and had widespread support amongst ordinary people. A few days before the parade was due to take place, and with no response having been forthcoming from the Warsaw government, a belated invitation was hurriedly sent both to the Polish Govt in Exile in London as well as directly to various Polish generals who had fought with the allies, ALL of whom felt so disgusted with the perceived public disrespect shown by the INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY (That is, being made to play "second fiddle" to the official Warsaw Polish government on the world stage) that they CHOSE not to attend the parade to register their fury and resentment at not being consulted first. And the final ignominy? The Soviet backed Warsaw government neither acknowledged the British invite, or attended the parade either. But of course for the "hard of thinking" its much easier to say "The Brits banned the Poles".
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  1692.  @CB-fz3li  The Poles were NOT banned from the parade... I can bore you with the full circumstances of the situation if you really wish.
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  1693. Mark appears to like a bit of "buttering up".
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  1694. There's NO shame at all. The only shame is the COMPLETE igorance within modern day Poland as to how MUCH they owe to the British people... and I don't just mean the ~£140 million (£4.8 BILLION in 2024) of Polish war debt to the UK taxpayer that the UK govt wrote off in 1946 !!!
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  1695. What about the UK & France? 450,000 British and 600,000 French lives sacrificed to overthrow the oppressors of Poland? The British empire bankrupted and the UK devastated. Then after WW2 the UK was the FIRST country to provide a new national home for the Polish ex-service personnel robbed of their rightful home by the Soviets? Do we get any thanks?
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  1696. Exactly Fred... highlighting the plight of small aspects of the demobilised allied forces only generates a false view of the overall situation.
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  1697. I'm sure your opinion of Montgomery will shake the military academic establishment to its foundations.
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  1698. What you meant to say was they "did their small part to HELP turn the tide of the battle of Britain". And their country WASN'T "traded". What did the "west" received in this supposed "trade".... apart from having to rehome hundreds of thousands of Sateless Poles?
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  1699. Well telling half the truth at least.
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  1700. So what you're actually saying is that Britain, who being totally financially bankrupted at the end of WW2 was already unable to afford to look after its own population, and so regretfully was unable to accept the entire civil population of eastern and central Europe, and so returned those those people to their home countries. Ah thank you for explaining it to me.
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  1701. The US built up Germany postwar to act as a bulwark against the further westward spread of communism. That was after the US had negotiated with Stalin to allow him to keep control over eastern and central Europe postwar.
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  1702. OK User.
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  1703. Same the world over..... that's humans for ya.
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  1704. Keep drinking that US centric globalist MSM "kool aid".
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  1705. "stain" my arse. They were lucky to have friends like the UK. The alternative for them would have been unthinkable.
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  1706. He'd lived and contributed his full working life, why not?
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  1707. Just to make you feel a bit happier please be aware that after the SOVIETS stole the Polish homelands post WW2, that it was BRITAIN and its taxpayers who passed the first postwar law in 1947 to grant FULL UK citizenship and residency rights to nearly 300,000 Polish ex-service personnel, to provide them with a new national home. Please go read about the "1947 UK Polish resettlement act".
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  1708.  @groblerful  No more disgracefully than millions of others who deserved a FAR better hand than post WW2 governments had dealt them, Including millions of British people. The Poles were saved by the UK from the terrible fate of being returned to soviet dominated Poland. No disgrace in that. Thats not opinion but just a cold fact.
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  1709.  @groblerful  Why exactly would you consider the gifting of a new safe home by the UK to nearly 300,000 Polish ex-service personnel (and their families), free from the evils of communism or nazism "Disgraceful treatment"? It's not "heaven" for sure, but then again there wasn't much heaven for countless millions of people (including my own family) post WW2. The only disgrace was the treachery of the soviets in reneging on the agreement signed at Yalta in Feb 1945 to hold democratic elections in Poland after WW2.
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  1710.  @groblerful  So why the "disgraceful treatment" then?
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  1711. Don't feel ashamed, instead go read about the 1947 UK Polish resettlement act, and how the UK taxpayer gave a new national home to the nearly 300,000 Polish ex-servicement (and their families) who were left without a home after the USSR stole theirs. We were the FIRST country to pass such a law, shaming the French into doing likewise in 1848 with the shamefaced USA being humbled into following suit in 1949.
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  1712. Hopefully you remember what the British and Canadians did for you as well.
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  1713.  @thosdot6497  Hence my use of the phrase "proxy war". Do you not understand that globalist directed NATO (originally the NORTH ATLANTIC treaty organisation) is now half way to the Urals, with the Baltic states and Ukraine as their proxies? where has the "border" of "spheres of influence" moved in the last 30 years? let me tell you.... 1000 miles EASTWARDS, and you think its Russia thats the threat? They've not been further from the North Atlantic since before 1917.
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  1714. What "threats from Russia"? There is the small fact of Belarus standing between Poland and Russia (apart from the tiny exclave of Kaliningrad before someone chimes in). Ignore the current globalist narrative on the US proxy war againt Russia.
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  1715. What the problem with drawing stop lines? Its a common military practice. It helps prevent conflict between two allies closing in towards each other.
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  1716. He surely did deserve more, just as the hundreds of thousands of returning British troops EQUALLY deserved more, but having been financially bled white by the US during WW2, the UK as a nation was in 1945 the world's biggest debtor and was in NO position to lavish money on its people.... though of course the 0.1% stayed rich.
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  1717.  @hanskloss9482  Tyrannical life under communism? Or a tyrannical life and then gassed with your entire ghetto neighbourhood under the nazis? Hmmmm decisions decisions. And you're right, the PEOPLES of western Europe had little to no say in the geopolitical powers that divided THEIR continent after WW2.
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  1718. Really? Regardless of how awful life was under the soviets I don't remember them opening up a chain of "death factories" responsible for the deaths of MILLIONS on Polish soil. If you want to find who "handed Poland over to the soviets", be more specific.... it WASN'T "the allies" but instead was negotiated between the US under Roosevelt/Truman & the Soviets under Stalin.
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  1719. They can also thank us for the prevention of further MILLIONS more deaths of Poles, Czechs, Hungarians, Romanians, Lithuanians, Estonians and Latvians that would have been incurred by the the west's removal of the 13 million Red Army troops then stationed in eastern and Central Europe. They're welcome.
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  1720.  @ShakespearHD  Oh believe me, I'm with you all the way with regard to that globalist puppet Trudeau. We in the west ALL need to start toppling these political pygmies who have been imposed on us by the corrupting hand of the WEF and corporate globalism. As for life in post WW2 Poland, I cannot speak from direct experience but I have EVERY sympathy with those who have to live under murderous tyranny. Remember that Stalin was still the ideologue in charge of the Soviet Union after WW2, the same Stalin who had enforced the "collectivisation" of soviet agriculture, created the rarely heard about "holodomor" responsible for the deaths of MILLIONS of Ukrainians, and terrorised and murdered further millions of his people during the "great purges" of the 1930s. Life under his rule was NEVER a "workers paradise". The eternal lie of the left.
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  1721.  @christiankirkenes5922  Absolutely positive. Even though 20th century communism has been responsible for FAR more deaths than fascism, that fact does not apply within Europe. MILLIONS murdered by the nazis, with nowhere near the same amount "liquidated" by the soviets in eastern Europe. Despite life under soviet control being a living nightmare, it was IMMEASURABLY better than under the nazis for eastern Europe. Just look at the likes of the Baltic states, Byelorussia and Ukraine... the nazis were widely welcomed in the early days of Barbarossa, but within 6 months partisan groups were RIFE behind German lines, and by 1943/44 those countries that had previously despised the soviets were RELIEVED see them push the nazis into oblivion.
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  1722.  @christiankirkenes5922  In 1939, definitely. In 1945 no matter how awful soviet occupation was, it was nowhere NEAR as bad as the nazi death camps that the soviets closed down during their "liberation" of Poland in 1944 / 45. And there was no "handing over" by the western allies.... Poland was clearly TAKEN by the soviets.
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  1723. There was no "handing over". The soviets "liberated" Poland clear and simple.
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  1724. The ignorance of some modern day Poles as witnessed in so many of the comments in this thread is quite incredible. Their ignorance of the fact that if it hadn't been for the British & French declaration of war in 1939, regardless of their inability to give meaningful support to Poland in its "hour of need" or if the UK had surrendered in june 1940 after the collapse of France (as the ENTIRE world expected us to) then Poland would have remained under nazi domination for DECADES. Remember that apart from Britain and France (who between them collectively squandered 1.1 million of their own citizen's lives, as well as both bankrupting themselves as nations) absolutely NO ONE in the so called "international community" raised a finger or cared whether Poland existed or not in 1939. Without the continued opposition of the British empire to nazism, there would have been: NO D-Day and war in the Meditteranean to draw sizeable wehrmacht resources from the war on the Eastern Front. NO strategic bombing of German cities and war industries NO Royal Navy interdiction of nazi German sea trade NO massive supply of weapons and war materiel from the west to the USSR, once their former allies nazi Germany had turned on them. NO utterly crucial strategic intelligence courtesy of Britain's (not Poland's before you say it) "ULTRA" program. With the result that the USSR would have collapsed somewhere in 1942/43, leaving the nazis in control of the whole of Europe, and their extermination camps still operating on Polish soil into the 1950s, 60s, or even 70s. For those Ignorant modern day Poles, please feel free to thank the UK (and France) for that commitment and resolve when NOBODY else cared whether you lived or died. And also remember to kneel and pay your respects at the altar to the 1.1 million British and French Lives that were sacrificed to remove nazi tyranny from YOUR nation's soil. And for all current honourable, deeper thinking Poles, please accept our best wishes from the UK.
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  1725. He wasn't "ignored" by the UK govt. He along with 250,000 other Poles were handed FULL UK citizenship and residency rights by the UK's 1947 Polish Resettlement Act, thereby saving their lives from brutality and death at the hands of the postwar Polish communist regime.
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  1726. Please describe how they did so?
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  1727. Yes the US and USSR have a LOT to answer for. Luckily for them the UK was there to save their lives.
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  1728. Stain on your arse. Britain's OWN service men and women were treated worse at the end of WW2.
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  1729. I wouldn't hold your breath waiting... Mark appears to only deal in reality.
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  1730. Adrian, remember to keep breathing while you're typing, It appears you're starving your brain of oxygen and typing nonsense.
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  1731. The only "stain" in the matter is modern day Poland's complete ignorance of the debt she owes to the UK.
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  1732. Nothing shameful about it. The UK had been bankrupted by its efforts to save Europe from nazism and the far east from Japanese militarism. Hundreds of thousands of its OWN ex-service personnel were also left in dire circumstances after demobilisation at the end of WW2. Why should foreign generals, no matter how deserving, be placed ahead of our OWN returning servicemen & women?
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  1733.  @sarna2344  YOU are as guilty as anyone else of "airbrushing history". If you're going to criticise others for doing it, then don't do it yourself. Its an insult to ALL the troops of other nations who took part in that operation, including my own Canadian cousin Cpl Herbert Poland from Maple Creek Saskatchewan, who was killed on 8th August 1944 at the village of Estrees-le-Campagne as a tank driver in the Canadian 28th armoured Regt. It NOT all about Poland y'know.
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  1734. I though you Poles were all against airbrushing nations out of history? So what about the majority Canadian, British & US forces that closed the neck of the Falaise pocket during "Operation Totalise" on 9th August 1944?
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  1735. What about the hundreds of thousands of returning demobilised UK troops who were treated exactly the same in their own country?
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  1736. Why don't YOU provide some initial examples of "British mistreatment of Indian Soldiers", Instead of grasping at straws and hoping "Dr Mark" helps out your agenda.
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  1737. Not forgetting to also give credit to the people of Britain whose govt enacted the "1947 UK Polish resettlement act" which gave nearly 300,000 Polish ex-service personnel AND their families made stateless by the soviet theft of Poland, full UK citizenship and residency rights in a new and safe national home here in the UK.
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  1738.  @mightymystery9204  Klaus Fuchs and the Rosenbergs hadn't finished providing the western allies nuclear development secrets to the Soviets at that stage, but while the Soviets weren't nuclear capable at that point, the US obviously had nuclear capability. If a post WW2 conflict to push the soviets back to their pre Sept 1939 borders had broken out in central Europe, The US (which at that point in time was able to produce roughly one atomic device per month) would almost have certainly used further bombs in Europe following further inevitable horrendous losses in a "conventional" European war. It was the same reason why they dropped them on Japan, (1. To avoid putting "Operation Downfall" into effect. and 2. As a useful demonstration of US military might to the Soviets who were then turning their attention eastwards). The British Imperial General Staff had drawn up "Operation unthinkable" in the closing months of WW2 (the plan to push the Soviets back to their pre Sept 1939 borders) but when presented to the US it was quickly dismissed by them, thankfully that choice saved millions of further deaths, but unfortunately left millions more under the heel of the communist jackboot.
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  1739. Well, "politics and expediency" and the prevention of further countless millions of deaths in another central European war, possibly including nuclear weapons.
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  1740. What planet are you on? Just imagine they could have been shipped off back to Poland post WW2 to end up with 22,000 of their Polish armed forces colleagues and ended up in a remote forest in Byelorussia, in a ditch with a shovelfull of quicklime over them. The vast majority of the 300,000 "Lucky" Poles who fought in the west instead lived out lives safely in the UK, but also France and USA. Go read the 1947 UK Polish resettlement bill and get some balance. They got better treated here than anywhere else.
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  1741. You still only know half the story though.
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  1742. Not at all, just cold hard reality.
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  1743. Strange? I didn't see many non Anglo-Saxons declaring war against nazism to attempt to save Poland in 1939. P.S Don't forget to kneel at the altar dedicated to the lives of the 450,000 British and 600,000 French citizens who died in the struggle to destroy the oppressors of Poland on your way out......
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  1744. Exactly the same betrayal as was perpetrated on hundreds of thousands of returning British ex-service personnel.
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  1745. You and your family only EXIST today because of the UK. Give over with your brainwashed left wing BS.
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  1746. Just 2 gallant men amongst MILLIONS of ordinary soldiers whose lives were destroyed and damaged and then cast off after WW2.
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  1747. The ignorance of SOME modern day Poles (and lefty agitators) as witnessed in so many of the comments in this thread is quite shameless. Their ignorance of the fact that if it hadn't been for the British & French declaration of war in 1939, regardless of their inability to give meaningful support to Poland in its "hour of need", or if the UK had surrendered in june 1940 after the collapse of France (as the ENTIRE world expected us to) then Poland would have remained under nazi domination for DECADES. Remember that apart from Britain and France (who between them collectively squandered 1.1 million of their own citizen's lives, as well as both bankrupting themselves as nations) absolutely NO ONE in the so called "international community" raised a finger or cared whether Poland existed or not in 1939. Without the continued opposition of the British empire to nazism from June 1940 onwards, there would have been: NO D-Day and war in the Meditteranean to draw sizeable wehrmacht resources from the war on the Eastern Front. NO strategic bombing of German cities and war industries. NO interdiction of German global sea trade by the Royal Navy. NO massive supply of weapons and war materiel from the west to the USSR, once their former allies nazi Germany had turned on them. NO utterly crucial strategic intelligence courtesy of Britain's (not Poland's before you say it) "ULTRA" program. With the result that the USSR would have collapsed somewhere in 1942/43, leaving the nazis in control of the whole of Europe, and their extermination camps still operating on Polish soil into the 1950s, 60s, or even 70s. For those Ignorant modern day Poles, on your way out, please remember to kneel at the altar dedicated to the combined 1.1 million lives sacrificed by the UK and France in order to topple the nazism that was murdering and torturing YOUR country when NOBODY else cared whether you lived or died. And for all current honourable, and deeper thinking Poles, please accept our best wishes from the UK.
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  1748. "suck up to Stalin"? Nonsense what you meant was "avoiding further countless millions of deaths (including millions of POLISH deaths) and the use of US nuclear weapons in central Europe".
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  1749. Bollocks.
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  1750. I think you'll find the Polish forces were given REFUGE by the UK and helped the UK to overcome the conquerors of Poland. Without the UK Poland today would not exist. You're welcome.
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  1751. All he did, and then lived a full long life in the safety of Great Britain, as opposed to dying prematurely at the hands of Polish communists. Fully agree about politicians.
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  1752. The fate of MILLIONS of ordinary service men and women was no less tragic.
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  1753.  @miller1520  I wouldn't go as far as to say we "won" the war, but without us, victory would have been delayed by possibly decades.
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  1754. What "inexcusable" British Govt decision? You mean the one to freely grant 300,000 stateless Polish ex-service personnel a safe, new national home in the UK after their Polish nationality had been revoked by the "official" Polish government in Warsaw?
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  1755. Wipe your tears away and comfort yourself be reading the terms of the 1947 UK Polish Resttlement act. It's the act of UK parliament that gave UK citizenship and residency rights to the nearly 300,000 Polish ex-service personnel and their families after WW2. Thereby saving them from brutality at the hands of the communists who had stolen Poland after WW2.
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  1756. When you return home to the UK Chris, you can visit the HUNDREDS of memorials and grave stones dedicated to the Polish war service personnel who served and died in the west after 1939. I wonder how many memorials to the >1.1 million British and French citizens who gave their lives to see the evils of nazism (that had previously conquered, enslaved and murdered Poland) destroyed. My guess is less than 10, if ANY at all.
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  1757. What "pension"? The Polish state to whom he'd paid his dues no longer existed.
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  1758. I find the murder of 6 million jews and countless millions of others in Europe to expand German borders "disgraceful". Foreign generals not being given lavish life styles by a host country that bankrupted itself releasing the said general's home nation from the murderous nazi regime is what is described as "unfortunate". Poverty and abysmal living conditions were normal for most returning British troops demobilised after WW2.
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  1759. If you feel shame about just two men who even though their lives were saved ended up living in worse circumstances than they were hoping for, imagine how you'll feel when you consider the hundreds of thousands of returning British troops coming back to a financially bankrupted, bombed and thoroughly worn out United Kingdom having to face poverty and rationing into the 1950s with little or no support from the govt.
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  1760. The Poles who returned to Poland postwar did so voluntarily, misguidedly, but voluntarily. The more well advised Poles took advantage of the UK's 1947 Polish Resettlement Act which granted FULL UK citizenship and residency rights to around 250,000 Polish ex-service personnel AND their families. Britain was the FIRST nation post WW2 to pass such legilation, followed in 1948 by the French with the USA as ever bringing up the rear in 1949.
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  1761. More complete BS. Britain was the FIRST country to give FULL citizenship and residency rights to nearly 300,000 Polish ex-service personnel AND their families after WW2 after the SOVIETS stole their country. What more did they want? We'd already sacrificed 450,000 British citizens and bankrupted our nation to overthow the nazis... if it hadn't been for the UK & France declaring war on the nazis, then the nazi death camps would have been operating in Poland into the 1950s or 60s. NO other countries in the so called "international community" cared one bit whether Poland existed or not in 1939. The Poles need to remember THAT !!!!
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  1762. Not related to the British queen Mary I (a.k.a "Bloody Mary") are you?
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  1763.  @adam_zs8292  Certainly their lives never turned out as they expected, lives rarely do especially in wartime, but using the "glass half full / half empty" principle, they ended up living in a free country serving pints in a Edinburgh pub and not face down dead in a ditch in Byelorussia with thousands of their fellow countrymen as happened to the Polish general staff at Katyn in 1940, and that was prevented from happening by Britain giving the western Poles a new national home with full citizenship and residency rights here in the UK. We were in fact the first nation post WW2 to pass such a law in 1947 (the "UK Polish Resettlement Act", which is still available to view on the UK govt legislation website), followed by France in 1948, both before the US who, as usual, came into the act late, passing their own equivalent laws in 1949. I've got absolutely NOTHING but respect for the Polish war veterans, but Mark's portrayal of them as somehow deserving better treatment than hundreds of thousands of returning British troops, returning to a country that was a broken husk of its former self post WW2 is deeply unbalanced & highly selective in the viewpoint it produces. Thank you for your politeness, as such discussions easily fall into "internet flaming" by uninformed commenters who've had their BS questioned (although I'm sincerely NOT including yourself amongst their number), All the best.
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  1764.  @adam_zs8292  Does being a general automatically entitle you to a fine standard of living in a foreign country? Why do you feel they were automatically more entitled than hundreds of thousands of other returning UK service personnel who after being conscripted, and who if they survived, were in many cases injured physically mentally and emotionally, and then dumped unceremoniously back into "civvy street" in a worn out, bankrupted Great Britain post WW2? Of course the Polish generals were Courageous, valourous, moral & meritorious, just as were THOUSANDS of other returning troops who were left with little or in most cases nothing to show for their 6 years of service and trauma. Do you think the Polish generals were badly treated and that others returning from WW2 were given a golden handshake of £10,000 and a hamper from Harrod's?
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  1765. The way the generals were treated was disgusting was it? You mean saved by the UK from ending up dead in a ditch in central Europe covered in a shovelful of quicklime? just as happened to 22,000 of their fellow countrymen all courtesy of the NKVD in 1940? Serving pints in an Edinburgh pub doesn't seem so bad after all does it?
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  1766. Yes the Brits SAVED the lives of the Polish Generals, just as they saved the lives of the rest of the Polish refugees that had run cravenly from nazism in 1939/40 to the safety of the UK, after having their arses kicked by the Wehrmacht.
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  1767. BS
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  1768. Treated no worse than hundreds of thoudands of demobilised British troops returning at the end of WW2.
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  1769. @Icek Szechter Thank you for the response Icek, your perception of Poland's current political position coincides EXACTLY with what has happened to the rest of western europe over the last 60 years. Populations reassured that any "co-operation" between nations was a loose confederation, which "would benefit all". Only to find that like a fungus taking over an unwitting host, the tentacles of supra-national organisations have CONTINUOUSLY usurped the authority of each individual nation's governments, and are binding us into ever tighter and more restrictive control by people and organisations who we have no control over. I'm sorry to hear the same appears to be happening in Poland, I feel a time may come where ALL western national populations will have to challenge this ongoing dictatorship that is currently hiding in plain sight. Anyhow as ever, All the best to you AND Poland Icek.
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  1770. @Icek Szechter Do you actually live in Poland Icek? If so, could I ask what you believe to be the feeling amongst the general population of Poland with regardss to the Polish government and the EU? In the UK the majority still appear to be asleep to what is going on in the country.... still believing that our government is comprised mainly of "labour" and "conservative" MPs who are doing all they can for the "people of Britain"..... but more and more British people are becoming aware that even though we voted for "Brexit" to escape the ongoing formation of the "EUSSR" or as I call it "the European branch of the future one world government", we unfortunately still have our major political parties shadily funded by "supra-governmental" interests, who work not for the benefit of our country but instead only in the interests of their globalist paymasters. I just wondered if the ordinary people of Poland feel uneasy about THEIR government too?
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  1771. @Icek Szechter The problem with the west now Icek is that ALL western governments have had corporate globalist puppets placed within them by globalism. Puppets who take their orders from the likes of the WEF, instead of looking out for the best interests of their own populations. Best wishes to you & Poland for the future Icek, we're ALL going to need it !!!
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  1772. @Icek Szechter A terrible position to be in, but as the old saying goes... "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".... I've EVERY sympathy with the plight of Poland, but the Polish tragedy has ALWAYS been due to its geographical location between two belligerent powers... Germany and Russia. Best wishes from UK.
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  1773. @Icek Szechter Yes that is the case, I thought you were suggesting that POST WAR Poland was punched by "both sides".
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  1774. @Icek Szechter How exactly did Poland get punched "from both sides"?
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  1775. Why was "Jalta" a disgrace? The west and the soviets signed an agreement for the establishment of a provisional Polish govt that included both communists AND nationalists. It was the Soviets who told the west 7 months later at Potsdam that they had chnaged their mind and they were keeping Poland for themselves.
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  1776.  @NapoleonBonaparde  Was it hell. The soviets signed upto the agreement to allow free elctions in Poland at the Feb 1945 Yalta conference. Then at the Aug 45 Potsdam conference told the west "its not happening... your move", and the west chose not to initiate WW3 over it. Simple as.
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  1777.  @NapoleonBonaparde  How do you conclude that Poland was "given"? If I break into your house and steal your TV set have you "given" it to me? The soviets "liberated" Poland, y'know because it was between them and Berlin. So how could the western allies "give" it to them if they had already taken it? THAT'S where your BS is.
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  1778. Complete BS from a parrot. Next !!!!
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  1779. What's shameful? That 2 Poles didn't get the life they deserved? Guess what? countless MILLIONS of people fared FAR worse than they did. They just had to suck it up like the poor men Mark has picked out here.
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  1780. Complete BS.
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  1781.  @michalmalikowski8058  That's some new BS, at least it's original and not the usual BS that modern day Poles repeat after their 45 years of communist brainwashing.
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  1782. No they aren't. Please remember to place your thanks to the British saviours of your proud Polish nation below.
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  1783. The same behaviour as exhibited by current commenters oblivious of the 1.1 million British and French lives sacrificed to topple the tyranny that was murdering Poland.
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  1784.  @martinwarner1178  "The allies gave Poland to the Soviets"... followed by "You have no idea where I stand on these points" Yes I do, I read the nonsense in your first post... its what started our discussion. Re read my initial reply, its what highlights the nonsense of your OP.
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  1785.  @martinwarner1178  The Feb 1945 Yalta agreement signed by all of the "Big 3" included the agreement for a provisional Polish government comprised of both the political "left" & "right" (that is the de facto communist "Lublin committee" & the London based Polish govt in exile). It was provisional in the sense that it was to oversee the initiation of democratic elections, which would then result in an elected Polish government. Fast forward to to the Aug 1945 Potsdam conference and when pressed by the western allies as to why the timetable for the creation of the Polish provisional government was falling behind schedule, the soviets flatly denied that there was any such agreement in force. This is the point in history which would have benefitted from having yourself and the legions of other clueless commenters being personally present on the front lines in central Europe in the summer of 1945, EAGER to sacrifice YOUR lives for the good of eastern Europe, instead of being the clueless keyboard warriors that you all are, bemoaning that millions of OTHER people didn't sacrifice THEIR lives in attemping to push back the soviet Red Army steamroller of approx 13,000,000 to their pre 1939 borders.
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  1786. How did the "allies gave Poland to the Soviets"? The soviets "liberated" Poland.... remember "possesion is nine points of the law". No "giving" was involved. If someone breaks into your house and steals your TV set, do you consider yourself to have "given" the TV set away?
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  1787. I'd like to thank the 450,000 British citizens whose lives were lost in the overthrowing of the evils of nazism and Japanese militarism, at a time when, apart from the French, not a SINGLE other member of the international community was in the least bit interested whether Poland existed or not in 1939. Thank you Great Britain and France for your sacrifice of blood & treasure.
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  1788. And then give a new national home to nearly 300,000 Poles after the Soviets stole the Polish homelands. "stain" indeed.
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  1789. A sad story indeed but NO different from how millions of ordinary soldiers just as deserving were treated post WW2.
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  1790. Not whitewashing, but presenting small facets of history out of context, and presenting a misleading picture of the situation.
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  1791. What? Sacrificing 460,000 British citizens, squandering the WHOLE of our national wealth and then giving a safe national home to nearly 300,000 Polish ex-service personnel after the theft of their homelands by the communists post WW2? Sounds remarkably decent of the UK to me !!!
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  1792. Do you think the west cares? When the loss of 1.1 million British and French citizen's lives sacrificed to topple the nazi regime that was torturing Poland are dismissed as nothing. We couldn't care less what you think.
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  1793. The British honour that opposed, and eventually built a coalition to topple, the evil regime that had enslaved continental Europe (but which in some areas led to the unfortunate spread of the evils of communism). The ignorance and disinterest of the general public does not mean the contribution of "colonial troops" is ignored by the better educated amongst their number.
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  1794.  @Porcelanix  Where do you get the BS that Poland as "sold"? What price did "we" get for the "sale"? Utter BS. Since before the end of WW2 in Europe, Britain and the US had been negotiating with the Soviets over the future of eastern Europe and especially Poland in post WW2 Europe. The UK & US wanted a democratic Polish government that would by way of democracy include both the Polish communists of the existing Moscow backed "Lublin committee", and the Polish nationalists from the Polish Govt in exile that had been based in London during most of WW2. This proposed "Polish provisional government of national unity" (Tymczasowy Rząd Jedności Narodowej) was to be setup in Warsaw, and was agreed to by all of the "Big 3" (UK / US / USSR) at the Feb 1945 Yalta conference, but from the outset the Soviets then occupying Poland did everything they practically could to bar the inclusion of the "London Poles" within the "unity govt", and to intimidate the small number of nationalists that did eventually make it into the provisional govt. With regard to the 1946 Victory parade when Britain sent out its invites to all of the countries that had fought on the side of the Allies during WW2, The British Labour government of Clement Attlee, quite correctly handed the Polish invitation to the newly constituted Warsaw based "Polish provisional government of national unity" which was after all now the official government of Poland, as recognised by the United Nations. The now effectively powerless & stateless nationalist Polish government in exile in London took great offence at their sidelining in this matter, and raised a torrent of indignation within the UK Parliament that was backed by many British MPs and ordinary people. A few days before the parade was due to take place, and with no response having been forthcoming from the Warsaw government, a belated invitation was hurriedly sent both to the Polish Govt in Exile in London as well as directly to various Polish generals who had fought with the allies, ALL of whom felt so disgusted with the perceived public disrespect shown by the INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY (That is, being made to play "second fiddle" to the official Warsaw Polish government on the world stage) that they CHOSE not to attend the parade to register their fury and resentment at not being consulted first. And the final ignominy? The Soviet backed Warsaw government neither acknowledged the British invite, or attended the parade either.
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  1795.  @Porcelanix  For those who've been misled that Poland was "excluded" from the 1946 London victory parade, here is a brief timeline of what actually happened to give some context to the oft repeated nonsense that "Brits never invited the Poles" or "the Brits banned the Poles". Since before the end of WW2 in Europe, Britain and the US had been negotiating with the Soviets over the future of eastern Europe and especially Poland in post WW2 Europe. The UK & US wanted a democratic Polish government that would by way of democracy include both the Polish communists of the existing Moscow backed "Lublin committee", and the Polish nationalists from the Polish Govt in exile that had been based in London during most of WW2. This proposed "Polish provisional government of national unity" (Tymczasowy Rząd Jedności Narodowej) was to be setup in Warsaw, and was agreed to by all of the "Big 3" (UK / US / USSR) at the Feb 1945 Yalta conference, but from the outset the Soviets then occupying Poland did everything they practically could to bar the inclusion of the "London Poles" within the "unity govt", and to intimidate the small number of nationalists that did eventually make it into the provisional govt. With regard to the 1946 Victory parade when Britain sent out its invites to all of the countries that had fought on the side of the Allies during WW2, The British Labour government of Clement Attlee, quite correctly handed the Polish invitation to the newly constituted Warsaw based "Polish provisional government of national unity" which was after all now the official government of Poland, as recognised by the United Nations. The now effectively powerless & stateless nationalist Polish government in exile in London took great offence at their sidelining in this matter, and raised a torrent of indignation within the UK Parliament that was backed by many British MPs and ordinary people. A few days before the parade was due to take place, and with no response having been forthcoming from the Warsaw government, a belated invitation was hurriedly sent both to the Polish Govt in Exile in London as well as directly to various Polish generals who had fought with the allies, ALL of whom felt so disgusted with the perceived public disrespect shown by the INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY (That is, being made to play "second fiddle" to the official Warsaw Polish government on the world stage) that they CHOSE not to attend the parade to register their fury and resentment at not being consulted first. And the final ignominy? The Soviet backed Warsaw government neither acknowledged the British invite, or attended the parade either.
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  1796.  @Porcelanix  Do you naively believe that countries maintain ruinously expensive standing armies, ready at a moments notice to spring into action anywhere in the world? Britain and France reacted as quickly as they could to mobilise their armies to the surprise assault on Poland on 1st Sept 1939. The British Royal Navy IMMEDIATELY instigated the "North sea blockade" that had effectively strangled Germany out of WW1. The RAF did not have the range to attack nazi forces in Poland and refused to bomb the German mainland as they did not want to spread the war but contain Germany. Though they did IMMEDIATELY attack German naval units at sea. The British army IMMEDIATELY initiated the transfer of its regular army units to France as the BEF (British Expeditionary Force). By Dec 1939 it had just 3 full strength divisions ready in France. It took till April 1940 for us to asemble 10 full divisions and 3 reserve divisions on the borders of Belgium. Poland collapsed after 5 weeks. The French army, which was by FAR the largest of the two nations, bungled its own mobilisation. It conscripted so many of its population that it crippled its own economy, and had to release countless thousands of soldiers to man her factories again. She did launch the admittedly embarrasing and half hearted "Saar Offensive" in Oct 1939, but the truth is that despite her large army of over 150 divisions, the French were a beaten nation before the first shots of WW2 had been fired. She had been defeated by 20 years of DEEP internal political division that had robbed her of firm, single-minded leadership, and it showed... even MORE so when you consider the performance of the French army in defending their OWN country in 1940.
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  1797.  @Porcelanix  How was your country "betrayed" exactly?
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  1798. "our"... John Smith? Polish?
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  1799.  @rabbit251  No I'm old enough and well read enough to have a far wider knowledge of the matter than most in YT comment sections. Their comments are laughable, they annoy me as much as would a child calling me names. I.E not at all.
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  1800. We don't need to, you think the blitherings of a bunch of nonentities in YT comments actually count for something?
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  1801.  @RandomRetr0  Who said anything about "indoctrination"? I'm just asking you to illustrate your assertion that New Zealand apparently bends laws to do the "right thing", and you start getting all "ad hominem". People might conclude that you're talking a load of bollocks !!!
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  1802. So no examples of New Zealand "bending" international laws to "do the right thing"?
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  1803.  @RandomRetr0  An example please.
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  1804. Tell me acountry who doesn't?
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  1805. It's what comes from being geographically located between two power crazed neighbours.
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  1806. Or indeed millions of further allied deaths, with the possible use of nuclear weapons in central Europe. Such a pity you and the legions of clueless "unthinkers" in these columns weren't personally there to lead the charge against the massed ranks fo MILLIONS of soviet troops then stationed in central and western Europe.
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  1807.  @mikehilbert9349  Yes he was allowed to keep what he'd stolen, because too many millions had already been killed to stop one hegemon, only to see another form in its place. It's just unfortunate that YOU and the legions of other clueless commenters with the same uninformed nonsense weren't actually there in the front in central Europe in the summer of 1945... eager to sacrifice YOUR lives for the good of eastern Europe, instead of bemoaning that countless millions of OTHER people didn't sacrifice THEIR lives to push the 13,000,000 troops of the red army back to their pre 1939 borders. And all from the warm safety of your ketboard, 80 years after the event. How brave of you.
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  1808. "Give"? "GIVE??" So by your rationale if a burglar breaks into YOUR house and steals YOUR TV then that constittues you "GIVING" the TV to the burglar.... what a silly silly boy you are.
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  1809. Not a stain on Britain at all. Read about the 1947 UK Polish Resettlement act, and lose your complete ignorance. P.S Don't forget to kneel at the altar dedicated to the lives of the 450,000 British and 600,000 French citizens who died in the struggle to destroy the oppressors of Poland on your way out......
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  1810. Good research dcanmore. Just as Maczek & Sosabowski having been granted UK citizenship as part of the "1947 UK Polish resettlement act" would have had index linked UK state pensions when they reached retirement age. Thank you Great Britain.
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  1811. Yes.... sacrificing hundreds of thousands of their citizens (and in Britain's case bankrupting itself) to overthrow Poland's oppressors. How selfish of them.
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  1812.  @zawiszaczarny7876  Leave your messages of thanks to the British nation that saved you from 1000 years of nazi tyranny below.
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  1813. Luckily Poland had a good friend in the UK. One of only TWO countries in the world who cared about nazi tyranny. If it hadn't been for the UK who sacrificed 460,000 of her citizens and bankrupted herself as a nation to oppose nazism when NO-ONE else in the world cared, then Poland and the rest of Europe would STILL be under German tyranny to this day.
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  1814. Have you ever said anything worthwhile?
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  1815.  @tadeuszczernia5422  Whats funny is that you're COMPLETELY wrong. Poland was the only country to receive TWO invites to the parade, and through a poisonous mix of political hatred and hubris ignored them BOTH.
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  1816.  @tadeuszczernia5422  Tadeusz, the UK continues to honour the Poles who served in the west during WW2 to this day at each and every Remembrance day parade across the UK.... BUT the ignorance of SOME modern day Poles (as well as lefty agitators) as witnessed in so many of the comments in this thread is quite shameless. Their ignorance of the fact that if it hadn't been for the British & French declaration of war in 1939, regardless of their inability to give meaningful support to Poland in its "hour of need", or if the UK had surrendered in june 1940 after the collapse of France (as the ENTIRE world expected us to) then Poland would have remained under nazi domination for DECADES. Remember that apart from Britain and France (who between them collectively squandered 1.1 million of their own citizen's lives, as well as both bankrupting themselves as nations) absolutely NO ONE in the so called "international community" raised a finger or cared whether Poland existed or not in 1939. And before you rush in to say "But the British never raised a finger to help us anyway", remember that without the continued opposition of the British empire to nazism from June 1940 onwards, there would have been: NO D-Day and war in the Meditteranean to draw sizeable wehrmacht resources from the war on the Eastern Front. NO strategic bombing of German cities and war industries. NO interdiction of German global sea trade by the Royal Navy. NO massive supply of weapons and war materiel from the west to the USSR, once their former allies nazi Germany had turned on them. NO utterly crucial strategic intelligence courtesy of Britain's (not Poland's before you say it) "ULTRA" program. With the result that the USSR would have collapsed somewhere in 1942/43, leaving the nazis in control of the whole of Europe, and their extermination camps still operating on Polish soil into the 1950s, 60s, 70s and possibly to the present day. As for post WW2 "treatment" of our Polish allies, after the theft of Poland by the soviets, Britain was the FIRST country in the world to enact legislation to gift UK citizenship to nearly 300,000 statless Polish ex-service peronnel AND their families (1947 UK Polish Resettlement Act). The act provided those Polish troops who had served in the west a new national home, safe from the evils of communism, and prevented them from ending up dead in a ditch in a remote Polish forest with a soviet bullet in the backs of their heads. For a nation supposedly with a "long memory" it appears you've ALL forgotten that point. For those Ignorant modern day Poles, on your way out, please remember to kneel at the altar dedicated to the combined 1.1 million lives sacrificed by the UK and France in order to topple the nazism that was murdering and torturing YOUR country when NOBODY else cared whether you lived or died. And for all current honourable, and deeper thinking Poles, please accept our best wishes from the UK.
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  1817. That laughter was NOTHING to do with "The fate of Polish soldiers in GB after WW2" (being given a new national home by the UK, safe from the evils of communism) and EVERYTHING to do with Johnson being a completely untrustworthy corporate globalist glove puppet. He's hated and laughed at by the population of the UK as well.
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  1818. Don't feel bad, instead go read about the 1947 UK Polish resettlement act, and how the UK taxpayer gave a new national home to the nearly 300,000 Polish ex-servicement (and their families) who were left without a home after the USSR stole theirs. We were the FIRST country to pass such a law, shaming the French into doing likewise in 1848 with the shamefaced USA being humbled into following suit in 1949.
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  1819.  @jakegarvin7634  And your evidence? Or are you simply shouting out a slogan you've heard and actually don;t have the first idea about?
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  1820. Why?
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  1821. But no different from the treatment handed out to hundreds of thousands of equally deserving British troops returning to their battered and bankrupted country after WW2.
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  1822. "Solely responsible for the failure of "Market Garden"....... Oh how very yankily patriotic of you to conveniently forget about the US debacle at Nijmegen Where the US 82nd Airborne division instead of immediately on landing striking to capture the vital 2nd bridge as instructed, instead sat to the south east of the town defending against imaginary Germans in the Groesbeek Heights, thereby allowing the German forces north of the Waal river to seize the bridge objective behind their backs and then hold the allied advance up for 3 full days.
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  1823. A small snippet of events, taken completely out of context.
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  1824. No different from the treatment of MILLIONS of other ordinary soldiers, sailors and airmen.
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  1825. Just as all countries do with those who sacrifice their lives and wellbeings for the good of their nations. Do you think the British ex-service poersonnel who returned to their own country in 1945/46 were treated any better?
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  1826.  @Maze060  No it's simply the curse of someone who knows more about the subject than the vast majority of mouthbreathing commenters, and attempts to spread some accuracy to the discussion. Sometimes I get weary from correcting the BS from other's and resort to shorter less informative comments, though I'd be happy for you to point out where I espouse "hatred"? Do please show me.
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  1827. Anyone else smell complete BS?
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  1828. Complete bollocks.
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  1829. Complete BS.
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  1830. Says who? The UK provided over 250,000 Polish ex service personnel with a new safe national home when their own country had been stolen by the soviets. The UK had been completely BANKRUPTED by WW2, and hundreds of thousands of her own deserving returning ex-service personnel were treated no better. What on earth makes you think foreign servicemen should have been put before our own? If they finance just one Polish general who hasn't made any financial contribution to the UK economy, then with the precedent set, how many other late middle aged Polish colonels, brigadiers and generals would the impoverished British taxpayer be expected to keep in the lap of luxury?
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  1831. As well as hundreds and hundreds of British and other nationalities.
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  1832.  @robo261  If you'd like a brief(ish) outline of the run up to the 1946 victory parade then read on, It's something I've written previously that I have saved ready to "copy and paste" in response to the oft repeated nonsense within YT regarding a supposed British "ban" on Poles at the victory parade. For those who believe Poland was "excluded" from the 1946 London victory parade, here is a brief timeline of what actually happened to give some context to the devious nonsense that "Brits never invited the Poles". Since before the end of WW2 in Europe, Britain and the US had been negotiating with the Soviets over the future of eastern Europe and especially Poland in post WW2 Europe. The UK & US wanted a democratic Polish government that would by way of democracy include both the Polish communists of the existing Moscow backed "Lublin committee", and the Polish nationalists from the Polish Govt in exile that had been based in London during most of WW2. This proposed "Polish provisional government of national unity" was to be setup in Warsaw, and was agreed to by all of the "Big 3" (UK / US / USSR) at the Feb 1945 Yalta conference, but from the outset the Soviets then occupying Poland did everything they practically could to bar the inclusion of the "London Poles", and intimidate and marginalise the small number of nationalists who did finally manage to get into the "unity govt". With regard to the 1946 Victory parade when it came to handing out the national invites to all the countries that had fought on the side of the Allies in WW2, The British Labour government of Clement Attlee, trying to engender good will between the eastern and western allies, handed the Polish invitation to the Warsaw based "Polish provisional government of national unity" (which was after all the official government of Poland, as recognised by the United Nations). The now effectively powerless & stateless nationalist Polish government in exile in London took great offence at their sidelining in this matter, and raised a torrent of indignation that was backed by many British MPs and ordinary people. A few days before the parade was due to take place, and with no response being forthcoming from the Warsaw government, a belated invitation was hurredly sent both to the Polish Govt in Exile in London as well as directly to various Polish generals who had fought with the allies, ALL of who felt so disgusted with the perceived disrespect shown by the INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY (That is, being made to play "second fiddle" to the official Warsaw Polish government on a world stage) that they CHOSE not to attend the parade to register their fury at not being consulted first. And the final ignomy? The Soviet backed Warsaw government neither acknowledged the British invite, or attended the parade either. With regard to the Polish generals and their pensions, there are numerous possiblities as to why they were not awarded a UK state pension, and without access to their personal UK "national insurance" records all that can be done is to speculate. If you or indeed Mark choose to conclude that there was some infernal conspiracy to deny the two gentlemen for whtever supposed reason then that is your choice and opinion. It is also quite possible that there were other reasons for the non award of their pensions, which only if they were born within the borders of Poland as they stood in 1945 (and not pre 1939) was one of the provisions of the 1947 UK Polish Resettlement Act.
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  1833. Not half as much as the Poles owe us Brits.
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  1834. Yes indeed, to take in and rehome 300,000 Polish ex-service personnel AND their families after their own home had been stolen by communism. This IS gratitude indeed.
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  1835. The ignorance of SOME modern day Poles (and lefty agitators) as witnessed in so many of the comments in this thread is quite shameless. Their ignorance of the fact that if it hadn't been for the British & French declaration of war in 1939, regardless of their inability to give meaningful support to Poland in its "hour of need" or if the UK had surrendered in june 1940 after the collapse of France (as the ENTIRE world expected us to) then Poland would have remained under nazi domination for DECADES. Remember that apart from Britain and France (who between them collectively squandered 1.1 million of their own citizen's lives, as well as both bankrupting themselves as nations) absolutely NO ONE in the so called "international community" raised a finger or cared whether Poland existed or not in 1939. Without the continued opposition of the British empire to nazism, there would have been: NO D-Day and war in the Meditteranean to draw sizeable wehrmacht resources from the war on the Eastern Front. NO strategic bombing of German cities and war industries NO interdiction of nazi german sea trade by the Royal Navy NO massive supply of weapons and war materiel from the west to the USSR, once their former allies nazi Germany had turned on them. NO utterly crucial strategic intelligence courtesy of Britain's (not Poland's before you say it) "ULTRA" program. With the result that the USSR would have collapsed somewhere in 1942/43, leaving the nazis in control of the whole of Europe, and their extermination camps still operating on Polish soil into the 1950s, 60s, or even 70s. For those Ignorant modern day Poles, on your way out, please remember to kneel at the altar dedicated to the combined 1.1 million lives sacrificed by the UK and France in order to topple the nazism that was murdering and torturing YOUR country when NOBODY else cared whether you lived or died. And for all current honourable, and deeper thinking Poles, please accept our best wishes from the UK.
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  1836. I think you'll find that the hundreds of thousands of returning demobilised British servicemen returning to their bombed, rocketed, worn out and bankrupted country equally deserved better than they received.
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  1837. Could you please give specific details of how the bankrupted British govt treated returning Irish service personnel worse than returning troops from ANY part of the UK, or is it just more self sympathising concocted BS you're typing?
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  1838. Not at all. They enjoyed a long and peaceful life, and were free to leave the UK whenever they wished. Instead they spent the rest of their days here. Apparently they were not as unhappy with their lives as YOU believe they should have been.
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  1839. Where was the "betrayal" exactly please?
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  1840.  @Beorninki  As I said earlier, please provide me of a specific example of one nation putting the interests of others in front of its own? Nothing to do with "how you think" its programmed into the DNA of every cell in EVERY living thing, and is the very foundation of evolution. Unless you still think we all descended from "Adam & Eve". That is not to say that there are no acts of kindness from INDIVIDUALS, but across the political world, all that exists is cold logic and ruthless self interest.
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  1841. In case you've not lived long enough to realise, ALL peoples look after their OWN interests first. Show me a country that has voluntarily put itself into penury for the sake of another country. I won't hold my breath waiting for an answer.
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  1842. My own father, a British citizen who was conscripted into the Royal Navy from his job in "civvy street" in 1939 was, in late 1945, handed a "demob suit" and told unceremoniously to "f*ck off", after having suffered the lasting emotional trauma of the sinking of his ship (HMS Dorsetshire) in the Indian ocean in 1942, and narrowly avoiding death during the Salerno landings when HMS Warspite was hit by "Fritz X" bombs, leaving him with permanently damaged hearing.... indeed he had to wait 45 years until 1988 to receive any form of compensation for the injury that he carried to his grave, a paltry "disablement pension" from the UK government, inspite of working all his life paying his taxes until his retirement. The expectation that "generals" are somehow automatically worthy of better treatment is complete nonsense, and of course the British establishment looked after its own, just as ANY country would do the same.
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  1843. Nowt disgraceful about it at all. Just hard cold reality.
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  1844. True, but also consider WHO would be happy to see further countless MILLIONS of lives (including millions of Polish lives) sacrificed along with the use of US nuclear weapons in Europe to push the soviet steamroller back to its pre 1939 borders?
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  1845. Yes the soldiers of most nations were treated exactly the same.
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  1846.  @Smudge5632  If you're not on about pushing the soviets back to their 1939 borders, then what did you expect the British to do with the hundreds of thousands of Polish ex-service personnel stationed in Brtiain at the end of WW2? Send them all back to Poland to be brutalised and murdered by the soviet backed communist regime in Warsaw? No instead Britain was the FIRST western country to enact a law to give nearly 300,000 stateless Poles and their families a safe new home in the UK after the soviets had recinded their Polish nationality. The "1947 UK Polish resettlement act" gave FULL UK citizenship and residency rights to those Poles who had fought with the western allies. Its STILL available to read on the UK govt's legislation website. But for some reason Mark never appears to mention it whenever discussing post war UK / Polish matters. I don't know why as its HUGELY relevant to that period in history.
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  1847. What was shameful? refusing to expose Europe to further MILLIONS of deaths that would have been incurred by the west "removing" the 13 million strong Red Army then stationed there? Its just such a pity that you and the legions of clueless commenters in YT weren't there on the front line in central Europe in summer 1945 to lead the charge.
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  1848. Guess what? They weren't prisoners in the UK they were free to leave any time they liked, but it seems they were satisfied with the standard of living that they managed within the UK. My own father at the end of 6 years ACTIVE service in the Royal Navy during WW2 came back to no job, and had to travel the length and breadth of the UK looking for work post war, the country was bankrupted by its efforts to prevent nazi rule across Europe, you have to take what you get. On the glass half full side, the Polish generals didn't end up dead in a ditch in a Byelorussian Forest with a soviet bullet in the backs of their heads.
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  1849. Or indeed Poles question the "gaslighting" they endured when brainwashed by the soviets postwar !!!
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  1850.  @patrickmulroney9452  Bollocks.
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  1851. MAybe Mark could do a video regarding the Polish govt-in-exile's OWN independent 1943/44 investigation into Sikorski's death, They openly acknowledged mutliple possible factors in the 1943 tragedy. The Germans - Gibraltar was AWASH with German spies and sympathisers. The Soviets - A soviet transport aircraft, complete with its own soviet ground crew, had been parked adjacent to Sikorski's B-24 Liberator for 24 hours prior to the Liberator's take off. The Poles - The Polish Govt-in-exile even acknowledge the hatred that existed between Sikorski & Wladislaw Anders, who detested Sikorski for his continued diplomacy with the soviet leadership, even after the discovery of the Katyn massacres. They illustrated that Sikorski's death cleared a path within the exiled Polish state for the advancement of Anders himself. But of course its FAR more fashionable and easier for the uninformed to ignore all of that and to unquestioningly blame the UK.... The nation that was responsible for Poland's eventual release from nazi tyranny.
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  1852. While I TOTALLY agree with your sentiment, its such a pity that you and the many others who express such regret weren't there personally in the front lines of central Europe in the summer of 1945 EAGER to sacrifice YOUR life for the good of Eastern Europe, instead of egging on millions of OTHERS to sacrifice THEIR lives for the good of eastern Europe, from your comfortable chair 80 years afterwards. The nations of Europe had been bled white for the 6 previous years. When nazi Germany collapsed in 1945 the "cards lay where they fell". Of course it would have been perfect for the USSR and USA to remove themselves from Europe, help rebuild the destruction that had been wrought, and then we all lived in peace and were "nice to each other". Unfortuantely the real world is not like that.... not until we get rid of power mad tyrannical political leaders and vested interests, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.
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  1853. The US alone, negotiated the exchange of Poland and eastern & central Europe for a soviet declaration of war on Imperial Japan, and the soviets agreement to sign up to the postwar "United Nations". The UK were NOT party to those secret US/USSR negotiations. On finding out about the US betrayal, a near powerless Churchill then "got what he could out of the fait accompli" by negotiating with Stalin to keep the soviets out of Greece, thereby removing any soviet threat from the Suez canal.
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  1854. "forgotten"? Read about the 1947 Polish Resettlement act, the act of the UK parliament that granted FULL UK citizenship and residency rights to 250,000 Polish ex service personnel AND their families, after the USSR & US conived to drop Poland into the lap of the soviets. One thing that IS now forgotten is how in 1946 the UK Govt wrote off nearly £140 Million (£4.8 BILLION in 2024) of Polish debt to the UK taxpayer. I wish people would "forget" me like that !!!!
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  1855. No stain. Just hard financial reality.
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  1856.  @mynameismynameis666  So you'd have preferred nazi death camps still operating across the European continent till today, rather than the world we lived in until 2019 when this current globalist power grab kicked off?
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  1857. OH just Britain thats a "patchwork of stains is it"? Anyone would think it was us who organised the state sponsored murder of 6 million innocents in central Europe.
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  1858. As untrustworthy then as their offspring globalists are to this day.
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  1859.  @captaincodpiece3263  UK Polish community before WW2? Negligible. UK Polish community after WW2? Massive. And all because of the 1947 UK Polish Resettlement Act which granted FULL UK citizenship and residency rights to nearly 300,000 Polish ex-service personnel AND their families. You can still read the details of the act on the UK govt legislation website.
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  1860. Why talk BS on subjects you have NO knowledge about? I'd tell you the reality of the situation postwar, but you appear too unintelligent to comprehend.
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  1861. "no surrender" .... yeah.. your country was just endlessly raped and murdered for 6 years
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  1862. The UK continues to honour the Poles who served in the west during WW2 to this day at each and every Remembrance day parade across the UK.... BUT the ignorance of SOME modern day Poles (and lefty agitators) as witnessed in so many of the comments in this thread is quite shameless. Their ignorance of the fact that if it hadn't been for the British & French declaration of war in 1939, regardless of their inability to give meaningful support to Poland in its "hour of need" or if the UK had surrendered in june 1940 after the collapse of France (as the ENTIRE world expected us to) then Poland would have remained under nazi domination for DECADES. Remember that apart from Britain and France (who between them collectively squandered 1.1 million of their own citizen's lives, as well as both bankrupting themselves as nations) absolutely NO ONE in the so called "international community" raised a finger or cared whether Poland existed or not in 1939. Without the continued opposition of the British empire to nazism, there would have been: NO D-Day and war in the Meditteranean to draw sizeable wehrmacht resources from the war on the Eastern Front. NO strategic bombing of German cities and war industries NO interdiction of nazi german sea trade by the Royal Navy NO massive supply of weapons and war materiel from the west to the USSR, once their former allies nazi Germany had turned on them. NO utterly crucial strategic intelligence courtesy of Britain's (not Poland's before you say it) "ULTRA" program. With the result that the USSR would have collapsed somewhere in 1942/43, leaving the nazis in control of the whole of Europe, and their extermination camps still operating on Polish soil into the 1950s, 60s, or even 70s. For those Ignorant modern day Poles, on your way out, please remember to kneel at the altar dedicated to the combined 1.1 million lives sacrificed by the UK and France in order to topple the nazism that was murdering and torturing YOUR country when NOBODY else cared whether you lived or died. And for all current honourable, and deeper thinking Poles, please accept our best wishes from the UK.
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  1863. Complete BS.
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  1864. Dishonoured? You jest. Saved by the British from torture and death at the hands of the communists and allowed to live out long and peaceful lives instead.
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  1865. "the UK then didn't support the Polish soldiers who fought for the allies" Complete nonsense Andy, go avail yourself of the 1947 UK Polish resettlement act.
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  1866. Yes the US and USSR have a LOT to answer for. Luckily for them the UK was there to save their lives.
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  1867. Just in Britain? How naive you are.
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  1868.  @alh6255  Let me dispel your BS point by point. "their homeland was handed over to the Stalin". No it wasn't. The western powers never at ANY point had possesion of Poland. The SOVIETS "liberated" Poland from nazism, and then unilaterally decided to install a pro-communist govt there, refusing to honour the agreement they had previously signed with the western allies at Yalta in Feb 1945 to allow a provisional combined communist / nationalist govt prior to democratic elections. Poland was the ONLY country to receive TWO invitations to the 1946 "victory parade". They CHOSE to ignore BOTH the invites. "Polish soldiers heard very quickly that they should leave" That's surprising, seeing as the UK was the FIRST country post WW2 to pass legislation granting FULL national citizenship & residency rights to nearly 300,000 Polish ex-service personnel AND their families, thereby providing the then stateless Poles with a NEW national home and preventing them from being repatriated back to their now communist run native country. No need to thank me for clearing up your delusions.
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  1869.  @pliedtka  Exactly. The Polish troops were not winners of WW2, but neither were the ordinary British, US, Italian, French Japanese or servicemen of ANY nation. At least the UK saved nearly 300,000 Polish ex-service personnel from being repatriated to the then Soviet dominated Polish "hellhole".
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  1870. Hey, guess what British troops were often badly treated, its war, do you think British troops / sailors / airmen were all treated with kindness and respect? The lack of knowledge and understanding in these clueless comment sections is incredible !!!!
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  1871.  @Sanderus  I'm VERY much aware of the FAR greater death toll caused by 20th century communism, and as often as not I'm in YT comments messaging on the evils of communism, BUT when looking at Poland post WW2 specifically the conditions were FAR less harsh (though still bloody awful) than the 6 previous years of nazi rule.
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  1872.  @Sanderus  Oh soviet communist brutality transferred easily to Poland post WW2 without a doubt..... BUT NOTHING on the scale of nazi tyranny.
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  1873.  @Sanderus  Please furnish us with the names of some of the soviet death camps in Poland post WW2.
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  1874. But at least there weren't nazi death camps running at full tilt 24/7 from spring 1945 onwards. All thanks to the British Empire and France.
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  1875. Pity you weren't there in the front lines in august 1945 to lead the charge to remove MILLIONS of soviet troops from central and eastern Europe.... Oh wait you were urging millions of OTHER people to sacrifice their lives to do that. I see your ignorance so clearly now. P.S Don't forget to kneel at the altar dedicated to the lives of the 450,000 British and 600,000 French citizens who died in the struggle to destroy the oppressors of Poland on your way out......
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  1876. Maybe not Rolf, (and sincerest respects to your father's memory and service btw), but the "1947 UK Polish Resettlement Act" rewarded nearly 300,000 Polish ex-service personnel AND their families with FULL UK citizenship (including full access to UK welfare benefits, then just starting to come online in the UK itself) as well as residency rights after their homelands had been stolen by the evils of communism. That's not what I'd consider as a "swift kick in the balls" from an ally. As the UK was the first country to pass such a law post WW2 it put pressure on other allied countries to do likewise, with France in 1948 and the US in 1949 passing similar statutes.
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  1877. No stain at all.... just simple reality. Britain was bankrupted by her efforts in WW2 and couldn't provide for her own people & hundreds of thousands of demobilised British service personnel returning to their home country after the war. Why should foreign generals jump the queue for what was available?
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  1878. How do you make out you were a "working knave to the UK" after the fall of communism?
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  1879. More nonsense. The Poles were the ONLY allied country to receive TWO invites to the 1946 London victory parade. It was SOLELY a poisonous bitter mix of POLISH political hatred (From the Polish Warsaw govt) and hubris (from the Polish London govt-in-exile) that saw them IGNORE BOTH invites.
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  1880. Yes.... The soviet union takes possession of Poland 6 years earlier that it actually did in reality.
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  1881. They were the lucky ones.
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  1882. You think they were alone? HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF RETURNING BRITISH VETERANS WERE TREATED NO BETTER.... AND THEY WERE BORN HERE !!!!
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  1883. Nonsense.... you were rescued from nazi death camps and brutality by outsiders. With your lack of appreciation of the sacrifices of others some may wonder whether we should have instead left you there?
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  1884. Please continue your discussion. While I'm aware of the general outline of Polish history, the depth of that knowledge is very shallow. I was aware the prewar Poland was NOT a "democracy" but little else. Your discussion will give me some useful primers to start some further reading of my own.
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  1885.  @amg863  The part where you say "The Poles are not appreciated", just showing the fallacy of that statement. There you go "confusion" removed.
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  1886. You seem unaware that after the SOVIETS had stolen the Polish homelands post WW2, that it was BRITAIN and its taxpayers who passed the first postwar law in 1947 to grant FULL UK citizenship and residency rights to nearly 300,000 Polish ex-service personnel, to provide them with a new national home. Please go read about the "1947 UK Polish resettlement act".
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  1887. Nice to see a comment from an honourable Pole, not for once shitting over the sacrifices made by the UK both in people and gold to see nazism wiped from the face of Europe. Thank you.
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  1888. "never fight and die for others" Good job the 450,000 British lives lost during WW2 never thought that way, or Poland would still have nazi death camps operating on its soil to this day.
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  1889. For that matter France did not "surrender" but instead signed an "armistice" that "brought the fighting to a finish" though COMPLETLY on German terms, which left a residual "resistance movement" acting as the nation's "conscience". The end result was the same, an overwhleming German victory with a residual small "irritation" caused by disparate groups. Stop wriggling... Poland also was completely crushed for 5 years with a relatively small "home army" continuing the resistance, there's no shame about being bested by a hugely powerful opponent.
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  1890. And in return hardly ANY contemporary Poles have ANY regard for the 460,000 British citizens who died in the struggle to topple the nazi tyranny that was murdering and raping THEIR country.
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  1891. The Soviets had a LOT to answer for !!!
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  1892. "Polish Squadrons"? get real FFS. The "Polish Squadrons" had their arses kicked by the Luftwaffe. It was the UK's RAF who showed the world how to defend against an aerial assault.
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  1893. The Poles can take the the "1947 UK Polish Resettlement act" that granted FULL UK citizenship and residency rights to Maczek and Sosabowski as well as nearly 300,000 other Polish ex-service personnel AND the families, as a thank you towards their efforts to remove nazi death camps from THEIR lands (not ours). No apology required.
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  1894. In what way exactly do you suppose the Poles were "deserted"?
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  1895. Ignore that left wing BS. With regard to the non-appearance of Polish forces during the London "1946 Victory parade" the problem lay SQUARELY with POLAND. The first invites sent out by the UK Labour Govt of Clement Attlee to ALL the nations who had fought for the Allied cause during WW2 (INCLUDING Poland, USSR & Yugoslavia) were sent out weeks in advance of the parade. The Polish invite in particular was quite understandably delivered to the Polish "Provisional Government of National Unity" ( the "TRJN" or Tymczasowy Rząd Jedności Narodowej) based in Warsaw, which was the OFFICIAL Polish govt as recognised by the international community in the form of the "United Nations", and NOT just by Britain alone. The TRJN was the same govt that it was intended the London based Polish nationalist Govt in exile would become an intrinsic part of, as agreed to by ALL sides at the Yalta conference in Feb 1945.... (although the soviets subsequently saw to it that this never actually happened). This invite sent directly to Warsaw immediately raised a storm of protest from the Polish nationalist govt in exile based in London who, with some justification, felt they had been sidelined in the matter, their anger was supported by many British MPs, senior ranks within the UK armed forces & members of the British public. With only days left before the parade was due to take place, and with no reply or even acknowledgement of the British invite from the OFFICIAL Polish TRJN govt in Warsaw, the British govt then hurriedly & belatedly sent out a SECOND INVITE to the Polish Govt in Exile in London, (as well as directly to many individual Polish service personnel), but as one united group they CHOSE to shun the invites to register their anger and disgust at being treated as "second fiddle" to the Warsaw govt. And the final Ignominy? The Warsaw TRJN govt never answered or even acknowledged the original invite from the UK (as neither did the USSR or Yugoslavia) and never attended the parade either. As you can see the Polish "non appearance" was solely down to a poisonous bitter mix of political hatred (from Warsaw) and hubris (from the London Poles), and NOTHING to do with this imaginary "Poles weren't invited to the parade" nonsense. As I've described above the Polish nation was actually the ONLY allied nation to receive TWO invites to the parade.
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  1896. I suggest you read about modern day, corporate globalism and its directing force the WEF. The British people have utterly no say in the flooding of the west (and NOT just the UK) with third world immigrants.
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  1897. In as much the same way as we are CONSTANTLY subjected in the MSM to the evils of nazism and the "political right", whilst the MSM STUDIOUSLY ignores the FAR worse crimes and death toll of 20th century socialism.... anyone would think that the elitist powers that now deceive world populations don't want us to see that their political idols were a FAR worse master that the dreadful nazis.
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  1898. I think you mean the US in particular, but today in the form of corporate globalism.
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  1899. Gary, how exactly could the west occupy Poland and eastern Europe? The had the small matter of the "third reich" between them and the Poles !!! It was the soviets pushing from the east who were first able to "liberate" the poles and eastern Europe Yes communism DID kill FAR more people than nationalism, BUT it also ruled over FAR more people and ran in various countries for 70 years, as opposed to the 12 years of nazism. Within the confines of eastern Europe FAR LESS people were murdered by communism than the nazis managed in their short tenure. The removal of nazism by the allies, while despoiled by the dead hand of communism moving westwards was FAR better a conclusion that the nazis being left to run a probably FAR larger death camp system than they actually managed.
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  1900. Likewise hundreds of thousands of ordinary British service men and women who were cast on the scrap heap after WW2.
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  1901. Thats is the nature of democracy. We'd just fought to topple a dictatorship. As for sacrificing Poland. Yes the west decided that further millions of deaths and the probable use of nuclear weapon in central Europe was too high a price to pay to push the soviets back to their pre 1939 borders. Maybe if you'd been there yourself, you could have sacrificed YOUR life for the good of eastern Europe, instead of complaining that millions of other people didn't sacrifice THEIR lives for the good of eastern Europe.
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  1902. In what way were they "overlooked"? Please have a read of the "1947 UK Polish resettlement act". The act of UK law that gave the right to FULL UK citizenship and residency rights to nearly 300,000 stateless Polish ex-service personnel and their families. I hope if I ever fall into desperate times that someone "overlooks" me like that.
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  1903. 1 The Poles handed over valuable but NON WORKING "foundation work" on the German enigma networks. It was an "acorn" from which the UK alone cultivated the "oak tree" of BRITAIN'S "ULTRA" decryption effort. 2. in 1946 the Polish Govt agreed to repay the UK taxpayer over 22 years just £13 million of the £150 million that the UK taxpayer had lavished onthe Polish exiled government, refugees and forces in the west. A loss of nearly £140 million (£4.8 BILLION in 2024) to the UK taxpayer.
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  1904.  @ShakespearHD  P.S I forgot to mention, the Polish families would have travelled across the Baltic and north sea to the UK, the reverse of the journey undertaken by a small number of Poles who understandably but naively CHOSE to return to Poland after the war, and from all I have read lived (and sometimes died) regretting that decision.
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  1905. The 147 Polish pilots (Out of nearly 3000 pilots on the "battle of Britain roll of honour") played a relatively small role in the battle of Britain. The top scoring but much hyped 303 sqd for instance scored 58.5 of the +1500 luftwaffe aircraft lost over the skies of Britain. As for post WW2, The UK inspite of being completely bankrupted by its efforts to stop a nazi hegemony in Europe was STILL the FIRST country in the west to give nearly 300,000 Polish ex-service personnel AND their families a safe new national home in the UK after the theft of Poland by the communists. And then we are insulted by the clueless legions parroting nonsense about things they have absolutely NO understanding of. Makes you wonder why we bothered sometimes.......
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  1906. PS If you want to profess "honour" for the Poles, it would be better if you didn't get their unit numbers wrong. It is 303 Squadron you meant, Not 333. (not to mention Frank WHITTLE)
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  1907. Read about the 1947 UK Polish resettlement act, the act that gave a new national home to 300,000 Polish ex-service personnel AND their families after WW2. We were the FIRST nation to pass such an act, shaming the French and US into following suit in 1948 & 49 respectively.And to thionk you NEVER hear a word spoken about it... Not even off Mark and his renowned research.
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  1908.  @pradeepchakraverti  If you put as much effort into looking after your countless millions living in abject poverty as you do harping on about events of +80 years ago, you'd all be living in luxury !!!
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  1909. How's Indian society coming along now under its globalist puppet leader, seeing as its had nearly 8 decades to sort out the "injustices" of colonial rule? Oh dear, what? you've STILL got countless millions of citizens living in abject poverty. Who can you blame now?
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  1910.  @martin-hall-northern-soul  Just discovered that YT have "ghosted" my previous completely polite and reasonable response made 1 month ago, so here goes with another attempt. Let me make it simple for you with an everyday analogy. If some mad person passing by in the street, out of the blue, punches you in the face then attempts to rape you, do you then get angry and abusive towards the person who rushed from across the street to your aid, but never made it in time to stop the initial assault? The UK and France could have, like the rest of the ENTIRE world did, just ignored the nazi / communist dismemberment of Poland in Sept 1939. What do you imagine would have happened then? Would Poland rise up to miraculously overthrow its conquerors alone? Who knows what would happen in 300 years time, but rest assured today Poland would STILL have a swastika flying over Warsaw together with nazi death camps spewing human ashes into Polish skies. Adolf Hitler explicitly wanted more than anything else for the UK to join his "crusade", and support his "vision" for a nazi dominated Europe while we controlled the seas and kept our Empire.... what an unbeatable alliance that would have been !!! But Instead a largely unprepared UK and France declared war for Poland, NOT for ourselves. That act alone set in train the events that eventually led to the fall of nazism 5½ years later.... only then for the communists to betray Poland and NOT allow democracy to flourish after WW2 (which had NOT happened before WW2 anyway). After the fall of France in June 1940 the UK, against the expectations of the ENTIRE world, then faced the nazi threat ALONE and with the growing support of her commonwealth fought on from June 1940 to June 1941 & continued the opposition to nazism when NO-ONE else wanted to, not YOUR left wing "heroes" in the USSR (who had helped rape and dismember Poland with nazi Germany), not the USA (Who was making such VAST profits from BOTH sides of the European war that she had utterly NO intention of "picking sides" and joining the fight) & not Poland's eastern European neighbours (who were all so terrified of what had happened to Poland that they pretended not to notice her being raped and murdered, and instead all signed up with the nazis). In continuing the fight the UK.... Sacrificed 460,000 of its citizens lives, Utterly bankrupted itself, Lost its empire ALL in the effort to topple the nazi tyranny that had murdered and raped its way across continental Europe including Poland. And nowadays all we seem to get are clueless modern day Poles, and easily duped young lefties like yourself pissing over those sacrifices and effort. The ridiculous lefty BS that you spout is the very same "gaslighting" BS that was taught to generations of Polish children by communists from 1945 onwards.
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  1911.  @martin-hall-northern-soul  Oh, so two men who if they had returned to their own homeland would have been tortured and ended up in a shallow grave in a remote Polish forest with a communist bullet in the backs of their skulls instead live out a full life of peace and freedom in the safety of the new national home given to them in the UK. Whats the problem?
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  1912. Please give some examples.
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  1913.  @apzaluska8615  Please save your nonsense. Rest assured a handful of Polish service men did NOT prevent the nazi invasion of Britain. I think that was more down to the fact that the Wehrmacht was too frightened of the world's then largest navy to even dip a toe in the English channel. The Poles who made it to Britain did make a small and valued contribution to the defence of the refuge they'd been given in 1940, their efforts have been long celebrated and even rewarded by the UK, but they were NOT a decisive element. The truth is that if it were not for the UK then it is actually POLAND that would be speaking German today. The largely unprepared UK and France declared war on Hitler's Germany for Poland & Europe's sake, NOT OUR OWN, What benefit did the UK receive from declaring war on Germany? That selfless act alone set in train the events that eventually led to the fall of nazism 5½ years later.... only then for the communists and Americans to betray Poland and NOT allow democracy to flourish there postwar (but keep in mind that Poland had NOT been a democracy before WW2 anyway). After the fall of France in June 1940 the UK, against the expectations of the ENTIRE world, then fought on ALONE in Europe from June 1940 to June 1941 & continued the opposition to nazism when absolutely NO-ONE else in the world was interested. Who ELSE do you imagine was going to save Poland? The USSR? They'd eagerly joined the nazis in raping Poland, and then happily executed 22,000 of their countrymen in one fell swoop, followed by countless others. The USA? Their chosen neutrality meant they were NEVER going to get drawn into a European war (it was only nazi Germany's declaration of war on the US in Dec 1941 that dragged their backsliding arses into the conflict), in fact US businesses were only TOO happy to do business with BOTH sides, and happily supplied Britain AND Germany with raw materials, fuel and war equipment while the nazis raped Poland and THROUGHOUT the rest of WW2. Poland's eastern European neighbours? They all pretended not to notice Poland being raped and murdered in front of their very eyes and instead all of them quickly signed up with the nazis. Without the continued opposition of the British empire ALONE to nazism from June 1940 onwards, opposition which bankrupted the UK and cost her 460,000 of her citizen's lives, there would have been: NO D-Day and war in the Meditteranean to draw sizeable wehrmacht resources from the war on the Eastern Front. NO strategic bombing of German cities and war industries. NO interdiction of German global sea trade by the Royal Navy. NO massive supply of weapons and war materiel from the west to the USSR, once their former allies nazi Germany had turned on them. NO utterly crucial strategic intelligence courtesy of Britain's (not Poland's before you say it) "ULTRA" program. With the result that the USSR would have collapsed somewhere in 1942/43, leaving the nazis in control of the whole of Europe, and their extermination camps would STILL be operating on Polish soil today. There's no need for you to thank me for my efforts to reduce your complete ignorance of the European situation from the 1940s onwards.
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  1914.  @apzaluska8615  Oh please, give over with your nonsense. 147 Polish pilots made a SMALL but much valued contribution in the defence of the refuge they had been given by the UK. They did NOT save the UK from nazi conquest... I think the world's largest navy might just have had something to do with that. The reality is that it was France but mostly the United Kingdom that saved Poland from the grip of the 1000 years nazi reich. Please be aware that the UK and France could have done what the ENTIRE rest of the world did and just simply ignored the nazi / communist dismemberment of Poland in Sept 1939. What do you imagine would have happened to Poland then? Would she somehow rise up on her own and miraculously overthrow her nazi & soviet conquerors alone? Who knows what would happen in 1000 years time, but rest assured in OUR lifetimes Poland would STILL to this day have swastikas flying over cities, and the chimneys of nazi death camps would STILL to this day be belching out human ashes into Polish skies. That it never happened was SOLELY down to the UK. Show a little humility and gratitiude instead of badmouthing your nation's saviours.
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  1915.  @dnaseb9214  I perhaps didn't make myself clear. My point was the Poles did not "win the war". They were on the "winning side".... even though for themselves the victory was a bitter one. Not to worry though, they are now on the front line for the US corporate centric globalist hegemony.
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  1916. "They" had won the war? Hahahaahaa..... sure.
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  1917. P.S Have you read the Polish govt-in-exile's OWN independent 1943/44 investigation into Sikorski's death, They openly acknowledge mutliple possible factors in the 1943 tragedy. The Germans - Gibraltar was AWASH with German spies and sympathisers. The Soviets - A soviet transport aircraft, complete with its own soviet ground crew, had been parked adjacent to Sikorski's B-24 Liberator for 24 hours prior to the Liberator's take off. The Poles - The Polish Govt-in-exile even acknowledge the hatred that existed between Sikorski & Wladislaw Anders, who detested Sikorski for his continued diplomacy with the soviet leadership, even after the discovery of the Katyn massacres. They illustrated that Sikorski's death cleared a path within the exiled Polish state for the advancement of Anders himself. But of course its FAR more fashionable and easier for the uninformed to ignore all of that and to unquestioningly blame the UK.... The nation that was responsible for Poland's eventual release from nazi tyranny.
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  1918. More complete left wing BS. If you'd like to see the REALITY of the postwar UK/Polish financial settlement then copy and paste this..... "Treaty series 044/1947 : Cmd 7148" .... to see the REALITY of what happened between the UK and Poles post WW2 with regard to "gold". The edited highlights are this..... The UK govt LAVISHED over £150 million (£5.2 BILLION in 2024) on the Polish govt-in-exile, Polish refugees and the Polish armed forces in the west during WW2. In 1946 the Polish govt AGREED to repay the UK taxpayer just £13 million over 22 years, meaning that the UK govt wrote off nearly £140 million (£4.8 BILLION in 2024) of Polish postwar debt to the UK taxpayer !!! The remainder of the Polish gold reserve was freely transferred back to Warsaw, along with a further £6 million of postwar UK aid to the Polish state. But of course you KNEW all that already didnt you, you silly lefty dupe.
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  1919. Yes, of ALL nationalities.
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  1920. Pulling pints in even a GLASGOW drinking den is INFINITELY more preferable to ending up dead in a ditch in a remote Polish forest with a soviet bullet in the back of your head..... just.
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  1921. I think you've mis spelt the word... its actually "ungrateful".
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  1922. Complete BS from start to finish, well done !!!
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  1923. "I mean why wouldn't they"? It might have been something to do with the fact that after WW2 the United Kindom was financially bankrupted and had difficulty providing for its existing population, never mind paying pensions to foreign generals. Hundreds of thousands of returning demobbed British ex-service personnel were thrown on the scrapheap and virtually abandoned. My own father after 6 years of active service in the Royal Navy returned home to find his prewar job had vanished and there was little to no "welfare benefits". He and my two uncles had to travel the length and breadth of the UK looking for work. That was after my father had his ship sunk in the Indian ocean in 1942, clung to wreckage for two days, hundreds of miles from land before a miraculous rescue, and then narrowly avoided death when his next ship was hit by radio guided luftwaffe bombs in the Mediterranean in 1943, luckily he survived with just permanantly damaged hearing... and then had to wait from 1943 until 1984 to receive an injury pension... after having paid into the UK national insurance scheme every month for 36 years to EARN that pension. Hopefully you'll understand a little more why foreign generals didn't automatically receive pensions from the UK government.
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  1924. No idea, no idea again, and no idea for a third time.... go do some more reading. NOTHING shameful by the allies.
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  1925. Another person who ignores the fact that if it hadn't been for the British Empire and France kicking off WW2 in 1939 when the rest of the world couldn't care less if Poland existed or not, then nazi death camps would have been operating on Polish soil into the 1950s & 60s. but on the other hand absolutely correct about the current globalist puppet traitors who've now been infiltrated into Westminster to carry out their globalist bosses orders. There's absolutely NO WAY my kids would ever be joinning the globalist directed UK armed forces nowadays.
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  1926. And not a single thank you in comments to the UK taxpayer who footed the bill for the "1947 UK Polish Resttlement act" that gave a new national home in the UK to nearly 300,000 Polish ex-service personnel AND the families after their own homelands were stolen by the Soviets. You're welcome.
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  1927. The UK taxpayer provided £150 million (£5.2 BILLION in 2024) to the Polish govt in exile during WW2. At war's end the Polish govt repaid just £13 million to the UK taxpayer. Where the rest of the £140 MILLION (£4.8 BILLION) that Poland owes the UK?
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  1928. Another uninformed parrot.
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  1929. Please don't be mistaken. Politicians of ALL nations are self serving, two faced shysters. Remember that and you'll understand life a whole lot more.
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  1930. Excuse me "Rob", what do you consider as "Unbelievably shameful"? The fact that Britain and France after declaring war on Poland's conquerors, jointly sacrificed over 1 million of their citizens and bankrupted themselves in the process. And all of that at a time when the rest of the "international community" couldn't have cared less whether Poland existed or not. Then after the Soviet theft of Polish democracy in 1945, the UK was the FIRST European country to give a new, safe national home to nearly 300,000 stateless Polish ex-service personnel and their families. Go read about the "1947 UK Polish resettlement act" for the details. The ignorance of commenters in these threads is UNBELIEVABLE !!!!
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  1931. That really takes the medal for uninformed delusion. Well done.
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  1932.  @hallitoff3883  Before you presume that I am wrong, re-read your OP and concentrate on the words "suppression of the Communists and other leftists in Italy, and elsewhere". Don't sweat it, we all make mistakes.
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  1933. So by "true freedom" you mean the uncontrolled insidious spread of communism... you've never lived under communism have you? What a surprise.
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  1934. "Intelligent Indian comment" is another......
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  1935.  @YuiYuria  All empires eventually fall, the British empire did so after bankrupting itself maintaining a balance of nations within Europe twice within 21 years.
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  1936.  @YuiYuria  I was just clarifying that the UK didn't pay pensions to German Generals... read the comments below and you'll see that the UK gets accused of EVERYTHING.
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  1937. Not from the UK they didn't.
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  1938. CLUELESS POLE !
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  1939. Please tell me which of the MANY civilisations that have flourished throughout history has grown and prosepered WITHOUT the exploitation of its own citizens and those of its colonies. I won't hold my breath waiting for a response.
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  1940. Why in particular? Exactly the same happened to hundreds of thousands of our own British service personnel returning from WW2. Were all of them somehow less deserving of better treatment & a decent standard of living than two Polish generals?
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  1941. The UK continues to honour the Poles who served in the west during WW2 to this day at each and every Remembrance day parade across the UK.... BUT the ignorance of modern day Poles as witnessed in so many of the comments in this thread is quite incredible. Their ignorance of the fact that if it hadn't been for the British & French declaration of war in 1939, regardless of their inability to give meaningful support to Poland in its "hour of need" or if the UK had surrendered in june 1940 after the collapse of France (as the ENTIRE world expected us to) then Poland would have remained under nazi domination for DECADES. Remember that apart from Britain and France (who between them collectively squandered 1.1 million of their own citizen's lives, as well as both bankrupting themselves as nations) absolutely NO ONE in the so called "international community" raised a finger or cared whether Poland existed or not in 1939. Without the continued opposition of the British empire to nazism, there would have been: NO D-Day and war in the Meditteranean to draw sizeable wehrmacht resources from the war on the Eastern Front. NO strategic bombing of German cities and war industries NO massive supply of weapons and war materiel from the west to the USSR, once their former allies nazi Germany had turned on them. NO utterly crucial strategic intelligence courtesy of Britain's (not Poland's before you say it) "ULTRA" program. With the result that the USSR would have collapsed somewhere in 1942/43, leaving the nazis in control of the whole of Europe, and their extermination camps still operating on Polish soil into the 1950s, 60s, or even 70s. For those Ignorant modern day Poles, please feel free to thank the UK (and France) for that commitment and resolve when NOBODY else cared whether you lived or died. And for all current honourable Poles, best wishes from the UK.
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  1942. Don't feel ashamed, instead go read about the 1947 UK Polish resettlement act, and how the UK taxpayer gave a new national home to the nearly 300,000 Polish ex-servicement (and their families) who were left without a home after the USSR stole theirs. We were the FIRST country to pass such a law, shaming the French into doing likewise in 1848 with the shamefaced USA being humbled into following suit in 1949.
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  1943. Another clueless commenter... no shortage of them in this comment section. Go read the "1947 UK Polish resettlement act" and explain to us how that constitutes "throwing people under the bus".
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  1944. Indeed, the Soviets have a LOT to answer for.
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  1945. Unfortunately it is the same across the world.
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  1946. Yes exactly the same as hundreds of thousands of returning British service personnel.
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  1947.  @pototo-r7b  The British to whom Poland OWES its very existence TODAY.
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  1948. No it isn't. Please remember to place your thanks to the British saviours of your proud Polish nation below.
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  1949.  @ciarypowykonie3096  You'll notice throughout ALL my postings Ciary that not ONCE do I criticise or insult other nations. EVERYONE (including Poland) ALWAYS acts in their own self interest. It's human nature. I'm just sickened by the torrent of uninformed comments, misled by leftyism and globalism, that is told to piss all over the efforts and people of Britain. Largely because 7 years ago we chose to tell the European branch of the corporate globalist world takeover to "piss off". Hence why we're now being submerged by the same evil forces that will in the future submerge the populations of the rest of the world in their faux drive to "save the planet". All the best to you.
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  1950. Oh btw, I don't "presume", I KNOW I know more than most of the clueless commenters in this thread.
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  1951.  @johnmc128  What Mark will never be able to access is the National insurance records of the two gentlemen involved. If you're from the UK, you'll have some understanding of the country's national insurance scheme. If the two generals had not accrued enough NI "stamps" before their retirement date, then they would have not qualified for a state pension, if that was the case then its a harsh but correct application of UK law as it stood then. There are other possibly reasons for their not being granted a pension, but without all the facts then all anyone can do is surmise. But remember it was also British law that granted them and nearly 300,000 other Polish ex-service personnel a safe national home here in the UK, which even without a state pension is better than lying dead in a ditch in a remote Polish forest with a soviet bullet in the back of the head.
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  1952. Maybe you could have chipped in? Seeing as its so awful. The country was bankrupt, and their treatment was no worse than that of hundreds of thousands of returning British troops post WW2. The UK was also gracious enough to take in nearly 300,000 stateless Poles after their country had been stolen by globalism v1.0. in fact we were the FIRST country in the world to do so. Just as we were the only country along with France to lift a finger to oppose Germany after their conquest of Poland. Learn more.
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  1953. Why is giving a new, safe national home to nearly 300,000 stateless Poles after WW2 "letting Poles down" because thats what Great Britain was the FIRST to do post WW2. Learn more. P.S Don't forget to kneel at the altar dedicated to the lives of the 450,000 British and 600,000 French citizens who died in the struggle to destroy the oppressors of Poland on your way out......
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  1954.  @jamesbass9797  NO, its a matter of "real politik". How would YOU have handled the European post war situation so stainlessly remembering that Britain as a nation was financially bankrupt and materially worn out in summer 1945.
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  1955. NO stain at all.
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  1956. Where do you get the "sold" nonsense? How much did we "get" for it? What you actually mean is that the western allies did not have the stomach for further countless millions of deaths in a central Europe based WW3, and not the nonsense you've typed in.
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  1957. Yes but only if one did those several mental somersaults necessary to come to that conclusion.
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  1958. Try North Korea, you'll like it there.
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  1959. BS
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  1960. The same is happening across ALL the nations whose governments have been corrupted by the rich "elites" of the corporate globalists.
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  1961.  @leighchmura6501  The UK continues to honour the Poles who served in the west during WW2 to this day at each and every Remembrance day parade across the UK.... BUT the ignorance of SOME modern day Poles (and lefty agitators) as witnessed in so many of the comments in this thread is quite shameless. Their ignorance of the fact that if it hadn't been for the British & French declaration of war in 1939, regardless of their inability to give meaningful support to Poland in its "hour of need" or if the UK had surrendered in june 1940 after the collapse of France (as the ENTIRE world expected us to) then Poland would have remained under nazi domination for DECADES. Remember that apart from Britain and France (who between them collectively squandered 1.1 million of their own citizen's lives, as well as both bankrupting themselves as nations) absolutely NO ONE in the so called "international community" raised a finger or cared whether Poland existed or not in 1939. Without the continued opposition of the British empire to nazism, there would have been: NO D-Day and war in the Meditteranean to draw sizeable wehrmacht resources from the war on the Eastern Front. NO strategic bombing of German cities and war industries NO interdiction of German global sea trade by the Royal Navy NO massive supply of weapons and war materiel from the west to the USSR, once their former allies nazi Germany had turned on them. NO utterly crucial strategic intelligence courtesy of Britain's (not Poland's before you say it) "ULTRA" program. With the result that the USSR would have collapsed somewhere in 1942/43, leaving the nazis in control of the whole of Europe, and their extermination camps still operating on Polish soil into the 1950s, 60s, or even 70s. For those Ignorant modern day Poles, on your way out, please remember to kneel at the altar dedicated to the combined 1.1 million lives sacrificed by the UK and France in order to topple the nazism that was murdering and torturing YOUR country when NOBODY else cared whether you lived or died. And for all current honourable, and deeper thinking Poles, please accept our best wishes from the UK.
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  1962. Let me help out where your daughter's teacher was found wanting Your daughter's teacher was ignorant of the fact that if it hadn't been for the British & French declaration of war in 1939, regardless of their inability to give meaningful support to Poland in its "hour of need" or if the UK had surrendered in june 1940 after the collapse of France (as the ENTIRE world expected us to) then Poland would have remained under nazi domination for DECADES. Remember that apart from Britain and France (who between them collectively squandered 1.1 million of their own citizen's lives, as well as both bankrupting themselves as nations) absolutely NO ONE in the so called "international community" raised a finger or cared whether Poland existed or not in 1939. Without the continued opposition of the British empire to nazism, there would have been: NO D-Day and war in the Meditteranean to draw sizeable wehrmacht resources from the war on the Eastern Front. NO strategic bombing of German cities and war industries NO interdiction of nazi german sea trade by the Royal Navy NO massive supply of weapons and war materiel from the west to the USSR, once their former allies nazi Germany had turned on them. NO utterly crucial strategic intelligence courtesy of Britain's (not Poland's before you say it) "ULTRA" program. With the result that the USSR would have collapsed somewhere in 1942/43, leaving the nazis in control of the whole of Europe, and their extermination camps still operating on Polish soil into the 1950s, 60s, or even 70s. When you say the allies "discarded (Poland) to the Commies" I think we in the west prefer to see it as, we refused to sacrifice further countless millions of lives (including many further millions of POLISH lives) as well as probably having to resort to the use of US nuclear weapons in central Europe in an effort to push the soviet behemoth back to its pre 1939 borders. I think I missed my calling as a history teacher, don't you agree?
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  1963. "do what you must and expect nothing for it" that must have been on the minds of the 450,000 British and 600,000 French citizens who died overthrowing Poland's oppressors.
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  1964. Yes, the truth that Great Britain provided them and hundreds of thousands like them with a safe refuge from murderous communism. How awfully decent of us !!!
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  1965. Ordinary British troops fared no better, and the UK DID give a safe, new national home to the then stateless Poles, after WW2, infact we were the first country to do so after WW2.
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  1966. More complete misinformed BS. Churchill had utterly nothing to do with it, and the Poles weren't excluded.... Churchill had been kicked out of power in 1945. Good God the level of ignorance in these columns is breathtaking.
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  1967.  @Zer0.-_  Unburden yourself of the old outdated labels of "conservatives" "labour" "left" & "right". They're ALL just "brand names" now to keep the old arguments going while the TRUE power behind those labels, that is corporate globalism which finances ALL mainstream political parties in the west, continue to pull their puppet party's strings to keep the unthinkers enthralled while THEY continue to consolidate their grasp on the levers of power. THEY are the ones responsible for the setting of one country against another and for the instigation of the agendas which now cause so much disharmony and inflammation between the nations of the world.
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  1968. I don't know, giving a new safe home in the UK to a stateless Polish general whose home has been stolen by Communism seems a fairly decent act to me?
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  1969. Well said !!! I'm beginning to wonder why Mark has provided such an imbalanced and selective view of the post WW2 situation in Europe. Can't help but conclude there are aspects of "anti-Brit" agenda in some of his productions. Such a pity really as without doubt the research he carries out and selects for presentation does appear to be of a very high standard. But it would be nice to receive "the truth, the WHOLE truth, and nothing but the truth".
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  1970. It was "The British" who saved them soft lad.
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  1971. Well said.
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  1972. I'm not correcting anything you've said Frank, but just providing further information to prevent the inevitable perception from clueless YT commenters that "the Poles did all the decryption work". The Polish enigma work which had some success breaking into German army and luftwaffe 3 rotor enigma from 1933 onwards, though invaluable had been rendered "non working" in January 1939 by changes in German encryption procedures. At no point had the Polish decryptors broken into Kriegsmarine naval enigma. The non working foundation work was passed first to the French (who did next to nothing with it) and then after the fall of France it was handed to the British, where it was grabbed with BOTH hands and expanded MASSIVELY. The BRITISH decryption efforts once more eventually broke into ALL 3 rotor encryption, then cracked the naval 4 rotor system, whilst simultaneously cracking the more secure German high command "lorenz" cipher network, before finally breaking into the most complex "geheimschreiber" network used by the very top levels of the nazi government.
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  1973.  @juanleahy2202  Its a pity Mark's normally excellent research didn't uncover the reason why one of the generals didn't receive a pension from the UK government, there must be a reason as the act of parliament I give above openly states the right of the Polish ex-service personnel to a state retirement pension for those who worked and paid UK national insurance contributions through their working life. No pension for Marczek means there was something about his case which hasn't been revealed. As for the other general having to live a meagre life, I'm genuinely sorry for him after his brave service, BUT what about the millions of others who likewise were torn by conscription from their loved ones for years at a time, exposed to physical, and emotional trauma, left wounded and injured and then dumped unceremoniously back into civilian life at the end of WW2? I have as much sympthy for them as I do for the unfortunate Polish General. Mark doesn't explain why he believes the two men were automatically entitled to a fine standard of living, while millions of others equally deserving were not.
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  1974. Please make the effort to acquaint yourself with the "1947 UK Polish Resttlement act" (a google search should provide you with the outline). Its the act of parliament, passed by the Clement Attlee labour government, that set in stone the rights of nearly 300,000 Polish ex-service personnel AND their families to FULL UK citizenship and residency rights (including access to state benefits that were then coming online as part of the new UK Welfare benefits system). This was after the USSR reneged on its agreement made at the Yalta conference in Feb 1945 to hold democratic elections postwar in Poland, thereby subjecting Poland to a further 45 years of tyrannical government. The UK was the FIRST nation after WW2 to pass such a law, causing the French to follow suit in 1948 and forcing the shamefaced USA to do likewise in 1949. And you call that a "sad indictment"? Puzzling....
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  1975. If it wasn't for "perfidious Albion" 300,000 Polish ex-service personnel would have ended up dead in a ditch in a remote Byelorussian forest with a soviet bullet in the backs of their heads, or as a pile of dust on the floor of a nazi death camp crematorium, instead of living out the rest of their lives in the peace of post war Britain.... "Perfidy" indeed !!!
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  1976. The British government should have done something for HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of returning demobilised British service personnel and the UK population, but unfortunately the UK had been bankrupted by WW2 and could not afford to do so. My own father and uncles returned to find their prewar jobs gone, and had to search the length and breadth of Britain for work. Why should foreign generals jump the queue infront of our own returning heroes?
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  1977. Exactly the same for hundreds of thousands of other British ex-service personnel post WW2.
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  1978. Well western Europe WAS liberated from the FAR more malevolent nazi regime. Inspite of the death toll of world socialism throughout the 20th century being FAR in excess of that of fascism, the actual relative death tolls WITHIN WESTERN EUROPE, do not follow that pattern.
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  1979.  @mikekowalewski7692  Regardless of what you say, if it wasn't for the declaration of war on nazi Germany by Britain and France, modern day Poland wouldn't exist. Utterly NO-ONE else in the ENTIRE world cared in Sept 1939 whether Poland existed or not. It's about time that modern day Poles realised that.
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  1980. Rest assured if it wasn't for the British and French declaration of war on 3rd Sept 1939, then Poland would only exist today in modern histroy books. P.S Those declarations were made by the respective govts of Britain and France and NOT by a referenda of their populations.
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  1981. Well said, although there is NO need to apologise to Poland. The UK sacrificed itself to see nazism, the connqueror of Poland, wiped from the map, and when, as you say, the evils of communism then replaced the nazis there, we were the FIRST country in Europe to give the Polish Ex-service personnel a new and safe home here in the UK, as witnessed by the 1947 UK Polish Resettlement act, that Mark has STRANGELY omitted to mention. It was done as a debt of honour.
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  1982. More nonsense... instead of parroting nonsense, do some reading on the subject.
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  1983. Not the "west" but a corporate globalist proxy war.
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  1984.  @bartekniepsuj5251  I couldn't care less about "high ranking".... "rank" has nothing to do with it.
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  1985. No different from that handed out to hundreds of thousands EQUALLY deserving British service personnel returning home to a battered, worn out and financially bankrupted UK after WW2.
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  1986. Another clueless commenter.
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  1987. Please tell me a racist "polish" joke, I've never heard a single one in my near 60 years of living and working in a mostly anglo-saxon (pre-globalisation mono culture) UK.
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  1988. Imagine if the United Kingdom had NOT passed the "1947 UK Polish Resettlement act" that granted FULL UK citizenship and residency rights to Maczek and Sosabowski as well as nearly 300,000 other Polish ex-service personnel AND the families (hence why Britain has such a strong Polish community since WW2). If Britain had NOT passed such a law then the generals in question and all their comrades would have been "repatriated" to the Polish lands of their birth, probably to end up in a ditch in a remote Polish forest, covered in a shovelful of quicklime, similar to how the Polish officer cadre / intelligensia were treated in 1940 at the "Katyn massacre" at the hands of the soviets. That puts the humanity of the United Kingdom into a slightly different perspective, my only query is why Mark STUDIOUSLY avoids mentioning that fact in any of his videos on the subject of UK / Polish relations. It could be construed that Mark harbours some form of agenda to INFLAME passions against the UK for some reason?
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  1989. Birds of a feather.
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  1990. if you feel there's relatively little material regarding allied war crimes, it's because it is in proportion to those crimes committed by the Germans.
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  1991. Alan Turing was never in the British Army, but all correct apart from that.
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  1992. I'd argue the reverse is true.
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  1993. I'm sure Rommel at El Alamein would have to disagree with you on that point.
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  1994. Who exactly apart from the "elite" was assured a "decent life" in UK after WW2. The country was bankrupt. Hundreds of thousands of ordinary British troops returning from WW2 found themselves returning to a broken husk of a country. Financially bankrupt, bombed and worn out after 6 years of 110% war effort.
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  1995. They were raped for 6 years from 1939-45... pieces of paper and unimportant.
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  1996. You apoligise all you like.. The UK has NOTHING to apologise for. If it wasn't for the UK ALONE then Poland today would STILL have swastikas flying over their cities and death camps operating on their soil.
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  1997.  @vincentwhiteman6433  Please explain what "betrayal" exactly?
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  1998. What "sort of thing"?
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  1999. Its such a pity that Mark focusses his remarkable skill at historical research on such microscopically small facets of previously not well known aspects of the conflict, only for the masses of the "hard of thinking" commenters on YT to then project that small facet of history to represent "the big picture".
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  2000. Global corporatism really hates the people of the west.
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  2001. "The Nazis were evil. The Soviets were far worse." Very true and I fully agree with your reasoning, BUT the soviets whilst murdering untold 10s of millions of their own soviets citizens, had not as of the late 1930s yet done so in central Europe... the nazis were beginning to bring those horrors further westwards and were seen as the growing "clear and present danger" to the powers of western Europe.
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  2002.  @piotrsie5465  Where do you get the idea that Poles died for other people's countries? The Poles in the west certainly DIED in other people's countries, but they were fighting SOLELY to kill the nazis that had conquered THEIR country and were busy murdering THEIR families. They couldn't fight them effectively from within from Poland anymore and so were only too happy to be given the opportunity by the British to continue the fight against the murderers of THEIR country. The alternative was no refuge, no continuation of the war and no release from nazism for Poland. You're DEEPLY misled if you believe rule by communism was as bad as rule by nazism. While the evils of communism are responsible for the deaths of FAR more innocent civilians that those caused by nazism, those death tolls were mostly exacted in China and with the USSR itself, with a relatively (though no less tragic) toll being taken amongst the countriers of eastern Europe (And I am NOT diminishing the terrible suffering and degradation of eastern Europe by the communists, just stating facts regarding the numbers and locations of those deaths).
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  2003.  @piotrsie5465  Piotr, I TOTALLY concur with your appraisal of the situation after the collapse of communism. One amendment I would make to your post is that every time you say "the west" please substitute the words "corporate globalism". After the collapse of communism it was agreed that central Europe would be left politically unaligned to act as a "buffer zone" between "east" and "west". Fast forward 30 years, and the borders of globlalist directed NATO now runs along the very borders of Russia herself having moved 1000 miles eastwards, all by using the "magic" of "corporate globalist soft power", that is by the use of untold financial power to place complicit puppet politicos in the governments of individual countries of "the west" including central Europe (Are you listening Zelensky?) who take their orders NOT from their respective electorates but from the growing global hegemony of the WEF, UN, WHO, World Bank etc. The current proxy war being fought in Ukraine is between the globalist directed forces of the "west" and the equally disagreeable regime in Moscow.,all with the aim of effecting "regime change" in Russia to install another puppet regime that is beholden to the same corporate globalists who are already slowly crushing the populations of "the west". If you think "the west" is preferable, remember that when in twenty years time your family is huddled aound a feeble fire in the dead of winter chewing on a raw turnip. For that is what corporate globalism has in store for the world populations, while they live the high life setting about raping the VAST natural resources of Russia to increase their own wealth. P.S I have good friends from Lithuania who now live in Britain, who have also suffered under decades of brutal communist rule, and as you say inspite of their outwardly dour demeanour they are some of the most decent and kind people I know. Best wishes to you from the UK (From a Brit who holds NO hatred of other countries... there's PLENTY of us about.)
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  2004. Just to give some input to your post, remember that if it hadn't been for the British & French declaration of war in 1939, regardless of their inability to give meaningful support to Poland in its "hour of need" or if the UK had surrendered in june 1940 after the collapse of France (as the ENTIRE world expected us to) then Poland would have remained under nazi domination for DECADES. Remember that apart from Britain and France (who between them collectively squandered 1.1 million of their own citizen's lives, as well as both bankrupting themselves as nations) absolutely NO ONE in the so called "international community" raised a finger or cared whether Poland existed or not in 1939. Without the continued opposition of the British empire to nazism from June 1940 onwards, there would have been: NO D-Day and war in the Meditteranean to draw sizeable wehrmacht resources from the war on the Eastern Front. NO strategic bombing of German cities and war industries. NO interdiction of German global sea trade by the Royal Navy. NO massive supply of weapons and war materiel from the west to the USSR, once their former allies nazi Germany had turned on them. NO utterly crucial strategic intelligence courtesy of Britain's (not Poland's before you say it) "ULTRA" program. With the result that the USSR would have collapsed somewhere in 1942/43, leaving the nazis in control of the whole of Europe, and their extermination camps still operating on Polish soil into the 1950s, 60s, or even 70s. It was interesting to read your account of rich Germans flooding into Poland after the fall of communism. In EXACTLY the same fashion, at the end of the American civil war, rich northern businessmen and politicians flooded into the impoverished southern states to prey upon the poverty stricken southerners, buying up their valuables, land, and political favour. They became known as "carpetbaggers", and its a constant facet of human behaviour, the rich preying upon the poor, so the experience you had, while it is certainly DEEPLY distasteful, it is sadly nothing new. Thank you for your own insight.
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  2005. It was naive but understandable of him to choose to return to Poland after WW2.
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  2006. He was given his freedom too... if things were so bad for him, he could always leave, as it was he freely CHOSE to live out his days here in the UK. P.S MILLIONS of Brit's who'd fought against Germany TWICE over the preceding 30 years were also left to exist on the bones of their arses by Britain having completely bankrupted itself by twice saving Europe from German domination.
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  2007. Where do you get the "west get rich" nonsense? All it does is highlight your COMPLETE ignorance. P.S Poland also OWES France and Britain for the 1.1 million British & French lives lost in the war to topple the tyranny that was murdering THEIR country, a war which also left Britain and France completely bankrupt and left in the pocket of the US.
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  2008. What is? sacrificing 450,000 of its citizens and bankrupting one of the world's most powerful countries in the service of Europe?
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  2009. MY word PLENTY of fawning sycophancy here.... the spin machine winds on its merry way.
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  2010. Another clueless biased world view.... Name me a combatant that DIDN'T cherrypick their favourite variety of former nazi for inclusion in their postwar redevelopment. Or was it "Just Britain"? Fool.
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  2011. MAke sure all those who are rightfully ashamed vote for a NON corporately funded candidate at the next Canadian election.
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  2012.  @AAaa-wu3el  Alan's principle still stands.... but checkmate on his example.
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  2013.  @AAaa-wu3el  The "British king who supprted Hitler" (Edward VIII) was ostracised from the royla family and fron the United kingdom as a whole, and rightfully so.
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  2014.  @alexden7714  By "they" I assume you mean the Waffen SS and not the Canadians.
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  2015. Well you can condemn military units for systematically wiping out civilians.
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  2016.  @vincentkosik403  Because ALL families in Germany were sacrificing their children for the "war effort" its relatively noble that the leadership largely refused to see their own family members spared. Can you imagine any of the western "leaders" nowadays allowing their progeny from serving in "harm's way"? Not a chance.
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  2017. Where did Klaus Schwab fit into all this scheming?
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  2018. Ah!!! So THAT's where the WEF gets it's ideas from !!!
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  2019. And yet once the original evil had been overthrown, the RAF then assisted in feeding the citizens of that evil during the Berlin airlift !!!
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  2020. Yours, mine & most likely many other people's evaluation of what happened throughout this episode.
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  2021.  @Michael-q9g5e  "it's a wonder we ever had any success militarily" and yet you did. Maybe its your perception of "military intelligence" that is at fault?
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  2022. He wasn't simply a dry academic. He had served for 5 years in British military intelligence. He was dealing with soviet military intelligence, something that Police officers would be completely flat footed in.
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  2023. Wow !!! Born 20 years after his death... that sperm was STALE !!!!
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  2024. You really think so?
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  2025. Rest assured there were nazi across the WORLD after WW2. Don't think it was just Britain.
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  2026. "The English way" what a dork !!!!
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  2027. My Uncle served in the REME (Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers) in the British army during WW2. I remember he told me he spent most of the time from D-day to VE day carrying out tank recovery, he wasn't prepared to go into great detail to satisy the eager interest of a young eager listener like myself 50 years ago,, but did go as far as to say that it "wasn't pleasant"... To a young mind I imagined it was dirty and dangerous, as an older wiser person now I can only imagine that some of the recoveries were quite horrific to put it mildly, with dismembered and incinerated human remains having to be removed from burned out wrecks. After the war he had to travel all over Britain looking for employment, finally settling in Birmingham where he worked at Rover in Solihull eventually working on the design team of the Range Rover and the Alvis Stalwart.
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  2028. Lords and Ladys are not "Royals". They are flunkeys to them.
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  2029.  @madsfrederiktoft5808  Do you mean Wachsenberg? I find results for a town in Austria, and a castle near Erfurt, but with no references to any detonation. I know that "internet searching" is a poor substitute for research, but its all that a lot of people have immediate access to. "Mushroom clouds" do not necessarily signify any nuclear involvement in particular (though they have become synonymous with them), but any large thermal explosion will produce them. Thanks for the reply.
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  2030. Could you give some further info? Web searching has drawn a blank, but it sounds interesting.....
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  2031. I watched the channel 4 documentary on the same accusation a couple of weeks back and there was utterly NO concrete evidence of his supposed treachery, just a lot of modern "reconstructed" (manufactured) supposed personal documents and unfounded hearsay. Feels like the globalist project to undermine and topple the already shaky royal family is well underway.
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  2032.  @rolandet  Sorry the lack of humour in you OP threw me of the scent.
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  2033. As many did, you could also buy it aborad and bring it into the country without penalty. The ban was the SALE of the book and NOT the POSSESSION of it.
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  2034. "Was there a single person from the Upper class who wasn't a soviet spy?" .... Yes the ones who were nazi sympathisers.
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  2035. THICK with it.... You believe all this current "climate emergency" "net zero" and "build back better" BS is actually about improving the world?
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  2036. If you think all of this is a hideous, infernal intrigue, if we knew even a FRACTION of the dishonesty and duplicity of the current world wrecking corporate globalist schemes it'd make your eyes spin !!!! "net zero" "build back better" BS anyone?
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  2037. Serves anyone so desperate for faux honours right. Utter ludicrousness for ridiculous people. Go rob them stupid.
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  2038. The "pinkos" have taken over the world asylum now unfortunately.
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  2039.  @ole5539  I refer you to my answer above.
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  2040. Such a pity that your weren't personally there on the central European frontlines in summer of 1945, eager to sacrifice your OWN life for the good of eastern Europe, instead of bemoaning that MILLIONS of OTHER people didn't sacrifice THEIR lives for the good of Eastern Europe.
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  2041. They mean "Betrayed by the USA... but saved by their British friends" who IMMEDIATELY granted FULL UK citizenship and residency rights to the 250,000 Polish service personnel (AND their immediate families) after the US Govt agreed to let the USSR absorb eastern & central Europe into the soviet "sphere of influence", the British reaction to that travesty thereby saved the Poles in the west from torture and death at the hands of Polish communists.
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  2042.  @kickit59  Absolutely. Churchill had gone to war to prevent German expansion in Europe, in Spring 1945 the situation was that the USSR DEMANDED that eastern Europe including Poland be absorbed into a "Soviet sphere of influence". Britain was dead set against it, she did not wish to see all of her sacrifices to prevent German expansion simply be converted into helping soviet expansion instead BUT by that time the British empire had become a spent force. The two new superpowers as we know where the US & the USSR. The US was still fighting the Japanese in the far east and was desperate to avoid having to mount an invasion of the Japanese home islands (Operation downfall), and so was EAGER to have the USSR declare war on the Japanese, the trade off for that soviet commitment was to permit Stalin to secure his western border by the absorption of Eastern Europe into his fold unopposed. The TRUE author of the Polish and eastern European post WW2 tragedy was the US. All the best.
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  2043.  @kickit59  Your mistake is by ever considering "morals" in relation to geo politics. On a personal basis "morals" are a compass that many of us use to guide outselves through our day to day lives. Geo politics on the other hand, where the "elites" of differing nations jostle to gain an advantage for themselves is ENTIRELY without a moral compass. The British "elites" (it's government supported by its major private industries) when considering the entry of the USSR into Poland would simply have looked at the ramifications of declaring war on the enormity of the Soviet Union, realised it would simply be "biting off more than it could EVER chew", looked at the situation between the USSR and the nazis, and quietly decided the best course of action is as I described in my post above. The deaths of millions of (originally central European) innocents was, in their eyes, a price worth paying... because it would NOT be them or their loved ones that would be involved with "paying" that price. They make projections of potential future problems (one example rarely discussed was the fact that both the US & UK had always had secret outline plans of what they would need to do it they themselves came to blows with one another), but broadly speaking the elites simply react to situations as and when they appear hence the apparent shortage of previous long term planning with relation to post war communism. How things are represented to "the masses" by the press (owned by the "elites") is rarely a true representation of what is actually taking place. you have only to look at the utter nonsense being talked about Ukraine at the moment to see how duplicitous national elites are. "Russia is invading Ukraine" when the objective truth of the "bigger picture" that you're not meant to be paying attention to is that the US/Globalist hegemony within Europe has in the last 35 years advanced over 1000 miles eastwards via the EU & NATO. (the very same hegemony that is being pushed via US proxy nations in the middle and far east). The potted & simplified history that is portrayed to us in "the masses" by the media is the "bubble of ignorance" the elites wish to keep us all trapped within. An added complexity nowadays is that what were originally "national elites" have now transcended national boundaries and have evolved into supranational, corporately directed globalist elites. All the best.
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  2044. Let me explain. Why would the UK declare war on a country it had NO practical way of attacking? A country that was then in a temporary friendship with its no.1 avowed mortal enemy. Why declare war on the USSR, thereby pushing the soviets from a "non-aggresion pact" with the nazis into a full blown alliance? The world's largest resource pool teamed up with the world's then most capable military.... not such an inviting prospect. No... FAR more intelligent to declare war on the clear and present danger to Great Britain (the nazis), drive a wedge between her and her "non-aggression" partner, and leave to simmer, allowing their "friendship" to come to the boil as it did on 22nd June 1941. FAR more intelligent.
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  2045. Meanwhile back in the real world. Do you naively believe that countries maintain ruinously expensive standing armies, ready at a moments notice to spring into action anywhere in the world? Britain and France reacted as quickly as they could to mobilise their armies to the surprise assault on Poland on 1st Sept 1939. The British Royal Navy IMMEDIATELY instigated the "North sea blockade" that had effectively strangled Germany out of WW1. The RAF did not have the range to attack nazi forces in Poland and refused to bomb the German mainland as they did not want to spread the war but contain Germany. Though they did IMMEDIATELY attack German naval units at sea. The British army IMMEDIATELY initiated the transfer of its regular army units to France as the BEF (British Expeditionary Force). By Dec 1939 it had just 3 full strength divisions ready in France. It took till April 1940 for us to assemble 10 full divisions and 3 reserve divisions on the borders of Belgium. Poland had collapsed by early october 1939 after 5 weeks of fighting. The French army, which was by FAR the largest of the two nations, bungled its own mobilisation. It conscripted so many of its population that it crippled its own economy, and had to release countless thousands of soldiers to man her factories again. Though I do agree with your final synopsis, the one change I would make being "weak people ALLOW the rich and powerful to create difficult times".
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  2046. Don't worry your little head... they weren't forgotten by the British either... we being the FIRST country post WW2 to grant approx 300,000 Polish ex-service personnel AND their families full UK citizenship after the soviets reneged on the deal they signed with the west at Yalta in Feb 1945.
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  2047. To all the clueless commenters in this comment section, just remember that without BRITAIN then the cities of Poland and the rest of Europe would STILL have swastikas flying over them TODAY, and Poland would STILL have nazi death camps operating on its soil. THANK YOU BRITAIN FOR YOUR RESOLVE AND YOUR SACRIFICES.
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  2048. Got a cold shoulder? Complete bollocks... they were granted UK citizenship EN MASSE in 1947.... get away with your nonsense.
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  2049.  @hipnotycznaegosymulacja9569  Russia? I live in Liverpool UK.. fortunately I was born and nurtured to use my powers of independent thought, you obviously weren't... keep watching the MSM for your daily dose of globalist propaganda lad.
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  2050.  @hipnotycznaegosymulacja9569  There goes another happy dupe.
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  2051. (For NATO read US corporate globalism).
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  2052. All down to their geographical location sited between 2 war like neighbours.
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  2053. My word a Polish commenter who recognises Poland's dilemma, you're seriously the FIRST Pole I've seen who acknowledges that fact. Well done.
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  2054. The UK taxpayer LAVISHED over £150 million of OUR money on Polish refuges who had fled to the territories of the British Empire, and on the Polish armed forces in Britain. In 1946 the Polish Govt agreed to repay a £3 million pound lump sum with immediate effect, plus a further £13million over the following 15 years..... That is an outstanding £134 MILLION that Poland OWES to the UK. And then uninformed modern day Poles come on YT to insult and lie about the saviours of their country. Modern day Poles who insult the UK should be ashamed of themselves.... they just show that all this "Polish honour" is nowadays just so much nonsense. Modern day Poles, please leave your thanks to the UK taxpayer and the UK nation as a whole below.
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  2055. Aye, it is surprising that there was such a small French contingent in the UK at this time. Most of the 110,000 French troops who were evacuated from Dunkirk freely elected to return to France shortly after to continue the struggle for their own country.... unfortuantely being repatriated just in time for the French collapse and subsequent collaboration.
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  2056.  @mrnice1976  ALL of what you describe above is eastern and central European national & political bitterness. You're initial assertion was that British and Americans somehow "airbrushed" out the Polish contribution... That is nonsense. For example the 1969 UK film "The Battle of Britain" clearly & specifically portrays the Polish contribution of the battle, while simultaneously completely ignoring the contribution of all other nations (apart from the British) during that battle. Please feel free to attend ANY UK remembrance day service where you will see the tributes paid and wreaths laid to the Polish service personnel who fought on in the west during WW2. My local musuem has a WHOLE gallery dedicated to the Poles who flew & fought in the RAF during WW2, the Polish war graves in my local cemetery are well tended with fresh flowers, and multiple memorials specifically to commemorate the Polish servicemen & women are sited around the UK. Your original assertion is nonsense.
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  2057. With regard to the non-appearance of Polish forces during the "1946 Victory parade" the problem lay SQUARELY with POLAND. The first invites sent out by the UK Labour Govt of Clement Attlee to ALL the nations who had fought for the Allied cause during WW2 (INCLUDING Poland, USSR & Yugoslavia) were sent out weeks in advance of the parade. The Polish invite in particular was quite understandably delivered to the Polish "Provisional Government of National Unity" ( the "TRJN" or Tymczasowy Rząd Jedności Narodowej) based in Warsaw, which was the OFFICIAL Polish govt as recognised by the international community in the form of the "United Nations", and NOT just by Britain alone, the TRJN was the same govt that it was intended the London based Polish nationalist Govt in exile would become an intrinsic part of, as agreed to by ALL sides at the Yalta conference in Feb 1945.... (although the soviets subsequently saw to it that this never actually happened). This invite sent to Warsaw immediately raised a storm of protest with the Polish nationalist govt in exile based in London who, with some justification, felt they had been sidelined in this matter, their anger was supported by many British MPs and members of the British public. With only days left before the parade was due to take place, and with no reply or even acknowledgement of the British invite from the OFFICIAL Polish TRJN govt in Warsaw, the British govt then belatedly sent out a SECOND INVITE to the Polish Govt in Exile in London, (as well as directly to individual senior Polish service personnel), but as one united group they CHOSE to shun the invites to register their anger and disgust at being treated as "second fiddle" to the Warsaw govt. And the final Ignominy? The Warsaw TRJN govt never answered or even acknowledged the original invite from the UK (as neither did the USSR or Yugoslavia) and never attended the parade either. As you can see the Polish "non appearance" was solely down to a poisonous bitter mix of political hatred (from the communist Warsaw Poles) and hubris (from the nationalist London Poles), and NOTHING to do with this imaginary "Poles weren't invited to the parade" BS. As I've described above the Polish nation was actually the ONLY allied nation to receive TWO invites to the parade. What would have been even sadder than working as a bar tender in Edinburgh would have been getting shot in the back of the head by the NKVD and dumped in a shallow grave in a remote Polish forest, which is what would have happened to General Maczek had he NOT been granted UK citizenship after WW2. He was so unhappy with his postwar existence, that he freely elected to remain in the UK till his death.
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  2058. Where do people equate Stalin's treachery for reneging on the deal he signed with the western allies at Yalta in 1945 for "throwing Poland to the nazis". It's a pity you weren't there yourself... eager to run into the ranks of the >10,000,000 strong red army in summer 1945... all for the benefit of the Poles... Whats that? Oh you meant OTHER people to sacrifice THEIR lives for the sake of Poland, and not YOU sacrificing YOUR life for the good of Poland.....
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  2059. The only thing that seems to have been "forgotten" with regard to UK/Polish relations during WW2 is how much of our British national wealth we LAVISHED on the Polish forces fighting in the west to provide them with the means of helping us Brits topple the nazi tyranny that had conquered their homelands. Instead clueless modern commenters and devious lefties push the communist BS that Poland actually PAID for all the food, equipment and services they were provided with by the UK govt !!!! Which of course they didn't, It was instead the tax funds of ordinary British citizens and businesses that paid for their equipment, the same citizens and businesses that Mark seems happy to denigrate in this video. Simply search "FCDO Treaty series 044/1947 : Cmd 7148" for the evidence of the largesse that the British taxpayer sprayed over the Polish forces during WW2.
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  2060. Since 1932 the Polish codebreakers Marian Rejewski, Henryk Zygalski & Jerzy Różycki worked within BS4 (the Polish general staff cipher Bureau focussed on German decryption & intelligence), and together with VITAL assistance given by the French intelligence officer Gustave Bertrand (who had cultivated a German informant codenamed "Asché" who had provided French Intelligence with tons of vital data including a full nazi procedural manual for use of the enigma encryption device), had by the purchase of a commercial version of the early enigma device and LOTS of analysis eventually broken into German army and navy 3 rotor encryption networks, this was a fantastic achievement, but it is true to say that they at no time did they crack German Kriegsmarine encryption due to the additional layers of security employed by the German navy. In December 1938 the nazis introduced a further 2 interchangeable encryption rotors to the enigma system, which immediately brought the vast majority of Polish decryption efforts to a grinding halt, which is where it remained up until the outbreak of WW2. In the weeks prior to the outbreak of WW2 the now almost completely non-functional Polish research work was passed to the French, who in the six months they had it in their possession added little to the accumulated knowledge, and also to the UK where the British government seized it with both hands, and made its study top priority. So was instigated the BRITISH "ULTRA" project. Jerzy Różycki elected to stay behind and work in Vichy France where, unknown to the Germans he worked on an a seperate secret encryption system, which bore no tangible fruit before his death in 1942. Marian Rejewski & Henryk Zygalski were, for security reasons, not included in the UK "ULTRA" project, and so took no further part in British decryption efforts. The British "ULTRA" project took the non working foundation research of the Polish decrypters and from there massively expanded that research to once again break into nazi 3 rotor enigma, this was followed in 1942 by the cracking of the improved kriegsmarine 4 rotor enigma network (SHARK), as well as simultaneously breaking into the FAR more complex "lorenz" cipher device used by the German army & navy high commands (TUNNY), before finally cracking the "Geheimschreiber" encryption device used by both the Luftwaffe high command as well as the top level of the nazi government (STURGEON), on top of these British achievements another product of the ULTRA program was the building of the world's first programmable electronic computer (COLOSSUS) to speed up the breaking of German codes. This was designed by a British telephone engineer (Tommy Flowers), which transformed British decryption from a process which often only gave results weeks after the message was eavesdropped on by the British, to a state of affairs where the British were reading top level communications at the same time as the intended German recipient. The early Polish codebreakers did indeed provide the "acorn" from which the British cultivated the "mighty oak" of ULTRA.
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  2061. I'm glad that you have confirmed that their understandable, but ill-advised, decision to return to Poland post WW2 was one that they freely made themselves, and was not one that was forced on them. They had all been granted UK citizenship by the 1947 UK Polish resettlement Act, and were completely at liberty to remain in the UK post WW2.
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  2062. The difference being that France wasn't sandwiched between the nazis and the USSR.
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  2063. How wrong you can be !!! Poland was the ONLY allied nation to receive TWO invites to the 1946 victory parade, but it was SOLELY a poisonous bitter mixture of POLISH political hatred (from the Polish Warsaw Govt) and POLISH hubris (from the Polish govt-in-exile in London) that saw them ignore BOTH invites. Try not to repeat left wing gaslighting nonsense about subjects you have no knowledge about.
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  2064. More complete & utter bollocks about "not allowed in the victory parade", at least you mentioned a PART of the correct story. The non-appearance of Polish forces during the "1946 Victory parade" was a result of POLISH political hatred and hubris. Please read on. There is an ongoing belief that Britain somehow "cared what Stalin thought", That is complete nonsense. The first invites sent out by the UK Labour Govt of Clement Attlee to ALL the nations who had fought for the Allied cause during WW2 (including POLAND, Yugoslavia AND the USSR) were sent out weeks in advance of the parade. The Polish invite in particular was quite understandably delivered to the Polish "Provisional Government of National Unity" ( the "TRJN" or Tymczasowy Rząd Jedności Narodowej) based in Warsaw, which was the OFFICIAL Polish govt as recognised by the international community in the form of the "United Nations", and NOT just by Britain alone, the TRJN was the same govt that it was intended the London based Polish nationalist Govt in exile would become an intrinsic part of, as agreed to by ALL sides at the Yalta conference in Feb 1945.... (although the soviets subsequently saw to it that this never actually happened). This invite sent to Warsaw immediately raised a storm of protest with the Polish nationalist govt in exile based in London who, with some justification, felt they had been sidelined in this matter, their anger was supported by many British MPs and members of the British public. With only days left before the parade was due to take place, and with no reply or even acknowledgement of the British invite from the OFFICIAL Polish TRJN govt in Warsaw, the British govt then belatedly sent out a SECOND INVITE to the Polish Govt in Exile in London, (as well as directly to individual senior Polish service personnel), but as one united group they CHOSE to shun the invites to register their anger and disgust at being treated as "second fiddle" to the Warsaw govt. And the final Ignominy? The Warsaw TRJN govt never answered or even acknowledged the original invite from the UK (as neither did the USSR or Yugoslavia) and never attended the parade either. As you can see the Polish "non appearance" was solely down to a poisonous bitter mix of political hatred (from Warsaw) and hubris (from the London Poles), and NOTHING to do with this imaginary "Poles weren't invited to the parade" BS. As I've described above the Polish nation was actually the ONLY allied nation to receive TWO invites to the parade.
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  2065. Many MANY mistakes and misinformation in your post. Since 1932 the Polish codebreakers Marian Rejewski, Henryk Zygalski & Jerzy Różycki worked within BS4 (the Polish general staff cipher Bureau focussed on German decryption & intelligence), and together with VITAL assistance given by the French intelligence officer Gustave Bertrand (who had cultivated a German informant codenamed "Asché" who had provided French Intelligence with tons of vital data including a full nazi procedural manual for use of the enigma encryption device), had by the purchase of a commercial version of the early enigma device and LOTS of analysis eventually broken into German army and navy 3 rotor encryption networks, this was a fantastic achievement, but it is true to say that they at no time did they crack German Kriegsmarine encryption due to the additional layers of security employed by the German navy. In December 1938 the nazis introduced a further 2 interchangeable encryption rotors to the enigma system, which immediately brought the vast majority of Polish decryption efforts to a grinding halt, which is where it remained up until the outbreak of WW2. In the weeks prior to the outbreak of WW2 the Polish research work was passed to the French, who in the six months they had it in their possession added little to the accumulated knowledge, and to the UK where the British government seized it with both hands, and made its study top priority. So was instigated the British "ULTRA" project. Jerzy Różycki elected to stay behind and work in Vichy France where, unknown to the Germans he worked on an a seperate secret encryption system, which bore no tangible fruit before his death in 1942. Marian Rejewski & Henryk Zygalski were, for security reasons, not included in the UK "ULTRA" project, and so took no further part in British decryption efforts. The British "ULTRA" project took the non working foundation research of the Polish decrypters and from there massively expanded that research to once again break into nazi 3 rotor enigma, this was followed in 1942 by the cracking of the improved kriegsmarine 4 rotor enigma network (SHARK), as well as simultaneously breaking into the FAR more complex "lorenz" cipher device used by the German army & navy high commands (TUNNY), before finally cracking the "Geheimschreiber" encryption device used by both the Luftwaffe high command as well as the top level of the nazi government (STURGEON), on top of these British achievements another product of the ULTRA program was the building of the world's first programmable electronic computer (COLOSSUS) to speed up the breaking of German codes. This was designed by a British telephone engineer (Tommy Flowers), which transformed British decryption from a process which often only gave results weeks after the message was eavesdropped on by the British, to a state of affairs where the British were reading top level communications at the same time as the intended German recipient. The early Polish codebreakers did indeed provide the "acorn" from which the British cultivated the "mighty oak" of ULTRA.
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  2066. Bollocks.
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  2067. "Sure, the UK and US maybe couldn't do much in Ww2 for Poland"? If it hadn't been for the UK Poland would STILL have a swastika flying over Warsaw today.
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  2068.  @johnmcmickle5685  Don't try to cover the fact that part of the British 1st Paras made it to Arhhem Bridge and held it for 3 days... which was MORE than enough time for 30th corps to relieve them were it not for the ineptitude of the US 82nd airborne. ALL three bridges would have been taken if it wasn't for Gen Gavin, he should have been relieved of command.
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  2069. The major cause of the failure was the US 82nd airborne division at Nijmegen, who instead of immediately on landing striking towards and seizing the Bridge over the Waal as they had been ordered to, instead took (incorrect) advice from local resistance groups and instead sat to the south of the town defending against imaginary Germans in the Groesbeek Heights, which allowed German forces north of the Waal to move in and seize the vital bridge behind the backs of the US paratroopers. This led to a two day hold up in the advance (Which had reached Nijmegen on schedule) and was the major cause of the collapse of "Market Garden".
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  2070. Neither did the UK... It's just a BS clickbait title.
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  2071. A bit like the British scientist Tim Berners-Lee who invented the "world wide web", and instead of patenting the world changing technology gave it free to humankind, so that 30 years later globalist coporations could take it over and use it as an apparatus for mass mind control and snooping on all our privacy.
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  2072. Why do you think its just the Poles who are forgotten? The globalists who run the country now barely teach ANY history nowadays, our own UK history especiallly, apart from the "Guilt trip" slave trade (but will then put little or no emphasis on it being Britain alone that bought the slave trade down). The Pole's history was never forgotten up until the last generation. EVERYONE'S history is now ignored. "They" don't want "national identities" and "national pride" anymore. They have no place in their future "one world governance".
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  2073.  @readmylisp  With regard to the non-appearance of Polish forces during the "1946 Victory parade" the problem lay SQUARELY with POLAND. The first invites sent out by the UK Labour Govt of Clement Attlee to ALL the nations who had fought for the Allied cause during WW2 (INCLUDING Poland, USSR & Yugoslavia) were sent out weeks in advance of the parade. The Polish invite in particular was quite understandably delivered to the Polish "Provisional Government of National Unity" ( the "TRJN" or Tymczasowy Rząd Jedności Narodowej) based in Warsaw, which was the OFFICIAL Polish govt as recognised by the international community in the form of the "United Nations", and NOT just by Britain alone, the TRJN was the same govt that it was intended the London based Polish nationalist Govt in exile would become an intrinsic part of, as agreed to by ALL sides at the Yalta conference in Feb 1945.... (although the soviets subsequently saw to it that this never actually happened). This invite sent to Warsaw immediately raised a storm of protest with the Polish nationalist govt in exile based in London who, with some justification, felt they had been sidelined in this matter, their anger was supported by many British MPs and members of the British public. With only days left before the parade was due to take place, and with no reply or even acknowledgement of the British invite from the OFFICIAL Polish TRJN govt in Warsaw, the British govt then belatedly sent out a SECOND INVITE to the Polish Govt in Exile in London, (as well as directly to individual senior Polish service personnel), but as one united group they CHOSE to shun the invites to register their anger and disgust at being treated as "second fiddle" to the Warsaw govt. And the final Ignominy? The Warsaw TRJN govt never answered or even acknowledged the original invite from the UK (as neither did the USSR or Yugoslavia) and never attended the parade either. As you can see the Polish "non appearance" was solely down to a poisonous bitter mix of political hatred (from Warsaw) and hubris (from the London Poles), and NOTHING to do with this imaginary "Poles weren't invited to the parade" BS. As I've described above the Polish nation was actually the ONLY allied nation to receive TWO invites to the parade.
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  2074. But it's true that the Polish army WERE completely overwhelmed by the nazi and then Soviet forces... there's NO misrepresentation in that fact. No need to feel any national embarassment about it though... No nation in Europe could have withstood such an assault. I've NEVER in over 50 years heard ANYONE say that Poland as a naiton collaborated with the nazis during WW2.... Before WW2 maybe to some small extent, but not during it. Don't repeat the lefty commie nonsense about "Poles being banned from the 1946 victory parade" that is nothing but communist "gaslighting", trying to set Poland againt the UK, the UK being the SOLE reason why Poland still doesn't have a nazi flag flying over Warsaw. The cause of the non-appearance of Polish forces during the "1946 Victory parade" lay SQUARELY with POLAND. The first invites sent out by the UK Labour Govt of Clement Attlee to ALL the nations who had fought for the Allied cause during WW2 (INCLUDING Poland, USSR & Yugoslavia) were sent out weeks in advance of the parade. The Polish invite in particular was quite understandably delivered to the Polish "Provisional Government of National Unity" ( the "TRJN" or Tymczasowy Rząd Jedności Narodowej) based in Warsaw, which was the OFFICIAL Polish govt as recognised by the international community in the form of the "United Nations", and NOT just by Britain alone, the TRJN was the same govt that it was intended the London based Polish nationalist Govt in exile would become an intrinsic part of, as agreed to by ALL sides at the Yalta conference in Feb 1945.... (although the soviets subsequently saw to it that this never actually happened). This invite sent to Warsaw immediately raised a storm of protest with the Polish nationalist govt in exile based in London who, with some justification, felt they had been sidelined in this matter, their anger was supported by many British MPs and members of the British public. With only days left before the parade was due to take place, and with no reply or even acknowledgement of the British invite from the OFFICIAL Polish TRJN govt in Warsaw, the British govt then belatedly sent out a SECOND INVITE to the Polish Govt in Exile in London, (as well as directly to individual senior Polish service personnel), but as one united group they CHOSE to shun the invites to register their anger and disgust at being treated as "second fiddle" to the Warsaw govt. And the final Ignominy? The Warsaw TRJN govt never answered or even acknowledged the original invite from the UK (as neither did the USSR or Yugoslavia) and never attended the parade either. As you can see the Polish "non appearance" was solely down to a poisonous bitter mix of political hatred (from Warsaw) and hubris (from the London Poles), and NOTHING to do with this imaginary "Poles weren't invited to the parade" BS. As I've described above the Polish nation was actually the ONLY allied nation to receive TWO invites to the parade.
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  2075.  @jasse803  They were four Royal Navy destroyers manned by British crews. Their names were HMS Cossack, Maori, Sikh & Zulu.
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  2076. ORP Piorun was just one of the 5 destroyers of the RN 4th Destroyer flotilla (commanded by Captain Philip Vian). The flotilla had just arrived at the scene of operations when HMS Sheffield who had been shadowing Bismarck using her radar lost contact after shell splinters from one of Bismarck's broadsides damaged her radar. Captain Vian immediately ordered his 5 charges to deploy in a fan shaped search pattern along the expected course of Bismarck, and it was purely by chance that ORP Piorun (Commanded by Eugeniusz Pławski) was the first of the 5 destroyers to regain contact with the German battleship shortly before 11pm. Pławski radioed to the other ships that he had contact, and Capt Vian ordered him to maintain that contact while the other 4 destroyers rushed to join him so they could make a joint synchronised torpedo attack on the German leviathon. Instead Captain Pławski valiantly, but misguidedly, chose to ignore those orders and instead rushed headlong into a one sided "pop gun" Vs "battleship guns" gunnery duel. He maintained this brave but pointless exercise for just over an hour before a consecutive number of main and secondary salvoes from Bismarck bracketted his little ship, whereupon he chose to withdraw having completely forgotten to use his most effective weapon (that being Piorun's 5 x 21in torpedo tubes) possibly because he was more focussed on signalling his Polish anger to Bismarck's crew. While withdrawing he managed to permanently lose contact with Bismarck in the gathering Atlantic darkness and never remade it. Luckily the other 4 RN destroyers had by this time located Bismarck and it was THEY (minus Piorun) that engaged Bismarck from midnight until ordered to withdraw by Admiral Tovey at 7am, thereby exhausting Bismarck's crew for the coming final battle. Can you name any of those OTHER 4 RN destroyers in that flotilla by any chance? My guess is you won't have ANY idea of the identity of those EQUALLY brave and gallant warships.
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  2077. Their ancestors had earned the right to live in our country. The current uncontrolled and engineered flood of economic migrants into the UK is totally unrelated and continues unabated. They don't even bother to use the old BS of "refugees" anymore.
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  2078. He doesn't mention a lot of things... such as Poland being the first European nation to act militarily in concert with the nazis when they grabbed part of Czechslovakia during the Munich crisis.
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  2079.  @dariuszostaszewski8473  Lets luck at the mainhighlights of "Market Garden". British 1st Airborne ordered to land at Ooesterbeek and then race to capture the Arnhem road bridge - achieved. US 101st Airborne division ordered to land and seize the bridges at Son and Veghel - Achieved US 82nd Airborne division ordered to land and seize the bridges at Nijmegen and Grave - failed Instead of following the unequivocal orders they'd been assigned to carry out, the 82nd airborne, commanded by James M Gavin, instead followed their own ideas. Instead of IMMEDIATELY striking out to move through Nijmegen and seizing the vital bridge, the main force of the division, was ordered by Gavin to dig defensive positions to the south east of the town to oppose imaginary German forces that local intelligence had incorrectly told them were positioned on the nearby Groesbeek heights. While they sat in their foxholes watching for imaginary Germans to the south east, the REAL German forces positioned to the north of the town had time to gather their forces and then move on Nijmegen Bridge and set up a defensive perimeter around it. This single act then held up the WHOLE of the British 30th Corps advance for THREE DAYS, and thereby caused the capture of the British 1st Airborne and the collapse of Market Garden.
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  2080. What "idiotic decisions and ineptitude" please give us the details.... or are you just parroting something you heard from someone else?
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  2081. Wrongdoing? Utter nonsense. If it wasn't for the UK Poland and the rest of Europe would STILL have swastikas flying over them today. Gratitude instead of critique would be more in order. But nevertheless, please accept return greetings from the UK to Poland.
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  2082. Russia sabre rattling? I think you mean US neocons using their eastern european pawns to threaten Russia itself. Seems that Poland still is "fighting for other people".... must be a national trait.
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  2083. Well you are on the US Neocon front line against Russia whether you like it or not. Poles still fighting for OTHER nations as you Poles always say.
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  2084. Yes, their bitterness as witnessed in YT threads such as this one towards the west in general and the UK in particular is the product of 45 years of teaching at soviet directed schools in post war Poland.
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  2085. "Second army on the western front". Nonsense.
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  2086.  @pawelmod3292  Not a single source just the product of widely based accumulated reading over my 60 years, though the UK national archives is a valuable source of information... VERY dry and boring but if you spend the time to study their archives MUCH of the details of the history can be gleaned from it. Some information is also to be found in "Hansard" (that is the name of the official records of parliamentary debates in Britain and many of her Commonwealth countries). With regard to the non-appearance of Polish forces during the "1946 Victory parade" the problem lay SQUARELY with POLAND. The first invites sent out by the UK Labour Govt of Clement Attlee to ALL the nations who had fought for the Allied cause during WW2 (INCLUDING Poland, USSR & Yugoslavia) were sent out weeks in advance of the parade. The Polish invite in particular was quite understandably delivered to the Polish "Provisional Government of National Unity" ( the "TRJN" or Tymczasowy Rząd Jedności Narodowej) based in Warsaw, which was the OFFICIAL Polish govt as recognised by the international community in the form of the "United Nations", and NOT just by Britain alone, the TRJN was the same govt that it was intended the London based Polish nationalist Govt in exile would become an intrinsic part of, as agreed to by ALL sides at the Yalta conference in Feb 1945.... (although the soviets subsequently saw to it that this never actually happened). This invite sent to Warsaw immediately raised a storm of protest from the Polish nationalist govt in exile based in London who, with some justification, felt they had been sidelined in this matter, their anger was supported by many British MPs and members of the British public. With only days left before the parade was due to take place, and with no reply or even acknowledgement of the British invite from the OFFICIAL Polish TRJN govt in Warsaw, the British govt then belatedly sent out a SECOND INVITE to the Polish Govt in Exile in London, (as well as directly to individual senior Polish service personnel), but as one united group they CHOSE to shun the invites to register their anger and disgust at being treated as "second fiddle" to the Warsaw govt. And the final Ignominy? The Warsaw TRJN govt as well as not acknowledging the UK invite also never attended the parade either (as neither did the USSR or Yugoslavia) . As you can see the Polish "non appearance" was solely down to a poisonous bitter mix of political hatred (from Warsaw communists) and hubris (from the London nationalist Poles), and NOTHING to do with the insidious left wing agitprop "Poles weren't invited" or "Poles were banned" nonsense. As neither the USSR or Yugoslavia had exiled governments based in the UK, Poland was the ONLY nation to actually receive TWO invites to the parade.
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  2087. Far from it. Poland was the ONLY country to receive TWO invites to the 1946 Victory parade, but it was through a bitter poisonous mix of POLISH political hatred and hubris that they CHOSE to ignore the invites and not attend. Stop being a victim of "gaslighting" by the left... the very people who stole your country from you in 1945.
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  2088. It faces no threat.... Ukraine is simply the US using its eastern European pawns to spread their hegemony across the world.
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  2089. Since 1932 the Polish codebreakers Marian Rejewski, Henryk Zygalski & Jerzy Różycki worked within BS4 (the Polish general staff cipher Bureau focussed on German decryption & intelligence), and together with VITAL assistance given by the French intelligence officer Gustave Bertrand (who had cultivated a German informant codenamed "Asché" who had provided French Intelligence with tons of vital data including a full nazi procedural manual for use of the enigma encryption device), had by the purchase of a commercial version of the early enigma device and LOTS of analysis eventually broken into German army and navy 3 rotor encryption networks, this was a fantastic achievement, but it is true to say that they at no time did they crack German Kriegsmarine encryption due to the additional layers of security employed by the German navy. In December 1938 the nazis introduced a further 2 interchangeable encryption rotors to the enigma system, which immediately brought the vast majority of Polish decryption efforts to a grinding halt, which is where it remained up until the outbreak of WW2. In the weeks prior to the outbreak of WW2 the Polish research work was passed to the French, who in the six months they had it in their possession added little to the accumulated knowledge, and to the UK where the British government seized it with both hands, and made its study top priority. So was instigated the British "ULTRA" project. Jerzy Różycki elected to stay behind and work in Vichy France where, unknown to the Germans he worked on an a seperate secret encryption system, which bore no tangible fruit before his death in 1942. Marian Rejewski & Henryk Zygalski were, for security reasons, not included in the UK "ULTRA" project, and so took no further part in British decryption efforts. The British "ULTRA" project took the non working foundation research of the Polish decrypters and from there massively expanded that research to once again break into nazi 3 rotor enigma, this was followed in 1942 by the cracking of the improved kriegsmarine 4 rotor enigma network (SHARK), as well as simultaneously breaking into the FAR more complex "lorenz" cipher device used by the German army & navy high commands (TUNNY), before finally cracking the "Geheimschreiber" encryption device used by both the Luftwaffe high command as well as the top level of the nazi government (STURGEON), on top of these British achievements another product of the ULTRA program was the building of the world's first programmable electronic computer (COLOSSUS) to speed up the breaking of German codes. This was designed by a British telephone engineer (Tommy Flowers), which transformed British decryption from a process which often only gave results weeks after the message was eavesdropped on by the British, to a state of affairs where the British were reading top level communications at the same time as the intended German recipient. The early Polish codebreakers did indeed provide the "acorn" from which the British cultivated the "mighty oak" of ULTRA.
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  2090. Do you always type complete nonsense into comments?
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  2091. I think you'll notice that there was NO referenda for ANY country to join the EU. They were ALL of them (the UK included) railroaded into it without any input from individual national populations. Governments have for many many years been increasingly filled with corporate puppets who do their pay master's bidding and NOT their country's bidding. It works like this. Have you heard the phrase "Money makes the world go around"? Well there has NEVER been a truer saying with regard to the world of politics. EVERY mainstream democratic political party across the wrold, whether it be UK conservatives, the Social Democratic Party of Germany, the Republicans in France & the US, Or the Movimento Democrático Brasileiro in Brasil, they ALL have an INSATIABLE hunger for MONEY. Where do they get it from? Frau Witzelberger in Hamburg, making a monthly donation of €10 to the German SDP? Mr Bill Jones of Colchester UK leaving the conservative party £10000 in his will? Maybe Carlos Menendez in Brasilia, charity mugging shoppers as they enter and leave a supermarket for a couple of Brazilian reals per month..... or do you think 95% of their party political funding comes from multinational conglomerated corporations with literally hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars burning a hole in their corporate pockets? Another old saying is "he who pays the piper calls the tune".... So if your political party wants the corporations to show their "support" by shady "donations" of millions of dollars into your party's offshore tax haven, then first you have to run your party's policy ideas past the Corporate CEO and his team of highly trained business lawyers first... and then also let them edit your party's shortlists for political nominations, their own suggested canditates replace ones who don't "fit the company's profile"... and maybe accept a few of our "advisors" into your government to help "smooth out" any problems that may get in the way of our business intetests. In other world raw political corruption makes ALL western political parties do what the multinational coporations want for THEIR best interests, while shitting all over the people who then vote for the edited candidates and have to live and die by the rules they then make. What use is a democracy when all of the parties that you have the option to vote for are ALL financed by the same corrupting influence of global corporations? Your choice at the ballot box has been reduced to another old phrase... that is "Hobson's choice".... which means although you may appear to have mutliple viable options available to you, in reality you DON'T. All the options mean the same thing.
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  2092.  @CB-fz3li  Keep putting the correct information out there... well done.
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  2093. If they do as the US neocons tell them to then of course they'll find themselves against Russia... all for the benefit of US corporate globalism....Poles fighting for other people... as usual.
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  2094. Exactly the same as Great Britain.
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  2095. I think you mean Poland was saved from future nazi tyranny by its allies.
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  2096. Forgotten? How ungrateful that ignorant modern day Poles are completely unaware that if the UK and France had not declared war on nazi Germany after her assault on Poland, that you would STILL be under nazi occuapation to this day. Hearing the constant whining from many contemporary Poles would make a lot of British people wish they hadn't bothered sacrificing 460,000 of our own citizens, bankrupted ourselves as a nation and lost our empire in the effort to topple the nazi tyranny that had devoured your country.
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  2097. Welcome, your introductory membership package to the "CCCMCASTHNKA" (a.k.a Completely Clueless Contributors Making Comments About Subjects They Know Nothing About) is in the post. Please avail yourself of the details of the 1947 UK Polish resettlement act from the UK Govt legislation website, It was the act of parliament that conferred in UK law FULL UK citizenship and residency rights (including access to ALL welfare benefits) to ALL Polish service personnel who had served in the British armed forces during WW2 AND their families. Not ONE Polish soldier/airman/sailor was forcefully repatriated at the end of WW2, but a small number did understandably CHOOSE to return to their homeland and lived to regret that decision. Please remember the maxim "It is better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt".
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  2098. When you say "just to let the Russians invade it later on", you are aware that due to national geography the only power that was in the position to remove nazism from Poland was the Soviet Union? And that having done that, they then reneged on an agreement signed with the allies at Yalta in February 1945 to allow democratic elections in Poland after the conclusion of WW2?
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  2099. The chips lay where they fell.... enough blood had been spilt in Europe by 1945. Look on the bright side. You could have been left under 1000 years of nazi tyranny, with death camps and crematoria still working across central and eastern Europe. Turned out bright again, after all !!!
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  2100. You mean saving the lives of hundreds of thousands of ex-patriot Poles in the west by giving them safe new homes, and wiping out the majority of Polish war debt?
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  2101.  @buoazej  The British govt ceased to recognise the exiled nationalist Polish govt on 5th July 1945. The PKWN (Polski Komitet Wyzwolenia Narodowego - Polish Committee of National Liberation) also known as the "Lublin Committee" was the temporary soviet administration of Poland as they "liberated" it from summer 1944 onwards. At Yalta in February 1945 It was agreed by east & west that a new Polish government, the TRJN (Tymczasowy Rząd Jedności Narodowej - Provisional Government of National Unity) would be formed which would include the members of the existing PKWN "Lublin Committee" but amalgamated with the members of the Polish Nationalist govt in exile then based in London (hence the "unity"). This was originally intended to act as a temporary "caretaker" govt (hence the "provisional") that was to oversee the holding of the first democratic postwar elections in Poland. When at Potsdam in August 1945 Churchill pressed Stalin as to what was delaying the return of the London Poles back into Poland to join with the PKWN to form the TRJN, Stalin flatly denied ever having agreed to signing up to such an idea. In reality what had happened between Yalta in Feb 45 and Potsdam in Aug 45 was that Roosevelt (then Truman) and Stalin had privately and without Churchill's knowledge secretly agreed that Poland and eastern Europe would be allowed to remain within the soviet "sphere of influence", in return the USSR would then declare war on Japan in the far east, and spare the US from having to carry out their proposed "Operation Downfall" (the US invasion of the Japanese home islands) this was favourable to the US as at the time of the secret Roosevelt/Truman/Stalin accord the "Manhattan Project" had not yet successfully detonated it's first atomic bomb. Churchill was NOT party to the plan, and was disgusted at the situation, indeed he had directed the British Imperial General staff to draw up outline plans (called "operation unthinkable") with the brief of pushing the Red army back to its pre-1939 borders, but when he showed the resulting plan to the US govt, they immediately discounted it. By that time the British Empire had been undermined and in reality had been reduced to the position of a "third wheel" in the Allied alliance from 1942 onwards. The TRJN later oversaw the holding of a completely rigged Polish national election on 19th Jan 1947. The result of which was an unsurprising 80% vote for the communist orchestrated "democratic bloc".
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  2102.  @adrewadrew5860  It was the guns of HMS Prince of Wales that stopped operation Rhineübung in its tracks, somthing that all the posturing and bravado in the world would not accomplish.
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  2103. She also forgot to use her most effective weapon, that is her 5 x 21" torpedoes, instead preferring to fire ineffectively at Bismarck with her 4.7" pop guns.
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  2104. ANother uninformed commenter who for some reason thinks that Attlee's govt cared a fig what "Stalin felt". The Poles were the ONLY country to get TWO invites to the 1946 victory parade... but it was only through a poisonous bitter mix of POLISH political hatred and hubris that they CHOSE not to attend.
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  2105.  @dariuszostaszewski8473  Britain and France had for 20 years bent over backwards to avoid another blood letting as in 1914-18. Well meaning leaders believed that if we all worked for peace then the world would be a safer place, which is a fine thought. The obvious problem being that when a small number of countries feel unhappy with their status in the world and so decide that they alone will start bullying neighbours and seek military conquest. Then all the well meaning nations in the world can only do one of two things.... bury their heads in the sand and hope all the nastiness will "go away", or prepare for war. ALL the nations of the world except for two took the first option, and the two who stood up, Britain and France did so too late to have effective, fully readied armed forces in time to save Poland. Peacetime armies do not just flick a switch and instantly turn into "combat mode"... Real life is not a computer game. Hundreds of thousands (millions in France's case) of reservists and conscripts have to be processed, transported to their training, equipped, trained, allocated and transported to their unit, then their unit needs transporting to their operational posting. Processing that huge number of people takes time. Britain was the world's number 1 seapower prior to WW2 as we controlled a global empire highly dependent on maritime trade, We've NEVER possessed armies the size of France and Germany's. Instead on 3rd Sept 1939... The Royal Navy instigated the North sea blockade to instantly cut off the vast majority of Germany's fuel and supply imports, the same blockade that strangled Germany to near starvation in WW1. The RAF launched attacks against units of the Kriegsmarine in the North sea on the same day, suffering heavy losses in the process. The British Army immediately began its mobilisation of reserves and the transporting of its small number of regular troops to France on 3rd Sept 1939. By Dec 1939 three, just THREE British army infantry divisions were in position in France. It took until April 1940 to have just 10 divisions of the BEF in position on the French/Belgian Border. Poland had collapsed by the middle of October 1939.... So what exaclty did you expect that the UK was going to do to assist Poland on land? Whatever you may imagine Britain simply assured Poland that should the German army cross its borders then Britain would declare war on Germany....nothing more, and it did stand by its promise. Now as for "Can you elaborate on the 1.1 million who died for the liberation of Poland" Yes I can. WW2 caused the death of 460,000 British citizens and 600,000 French, hence the 1.1 million. Now imagine if instead of declaring war on Germany in 1939, irrespective of our inability to render immediate assistance to Poland, we had instead done as the rest of the world did and said "Oh dear what a pity" and ignored the plight of Poland. In that circumstance, please explain how an independent Polish nation was EVER going to exist again? The fact is that if it hadn't been for the British & French declaration of war in 1939, or if the UK had surrendered in june 1940 after the collapse of France (as the ENTIRE world expected us to) then Poland would have remained under nazi domination until today. Remember that apart from Britain and France (Who as well as sacrificing 1.1 million of their citizens also bankrupted themselves as nations, and ended up losing their empires) absolutely NO ONE ELSE in the so called "international community" raised a finger or cared whether Poland existed or not in 1939. The USA in Sept 1939 did not even embargo nazi Germany as she was too valuable a trading partner for the US economy, and as you know the USSR willingly helped nazi Germany destroy your nation... so who was going to save Poland? Without the continued opposition of the British empire to nazism from June 1940 onwards, opposition which cost her so much of her blood and treasure, there would have been: NO D-Day and war in the Meditteranean to draw sizeable wehrmacht resources from the war on the Eastern Front. NO strategic bombing of German cities and war industries. NO interdiction of German global sea trade by the Royal Navy. NO massive supply of weapons and war materiel from the west to the USSR, once their former allies nazi Germany had turned on them. NO utterly crucial strategic intelligence courtesy of Britain's (not Poland's before you say it) "ULTRA" program. With the result that the USSR would have collapsed somewhere in 1942/43, leaving the nazis in control of the whole of Europe, and their extermination camps still operating on Polish soil into the 1950s, 60s, 70s or even beyond, and the Swastika would still be flying over Warsaw until today.
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  2106. It is also very interesting that modern day Poles have utterly NO regard for the UK, one of only TWO countries in the world that chose to oppose the tyranny that conquered Poland in 1939. If it hadn't been for us then Poland would still not exist to this day. Come to the UK today and I can show you Polish memorials RIGHT the way across the country. How many memorials are there in Poland today to the 1.1 million British and French lives that were lost in the effort to topple the conquerors of YOUR country?
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  2107. From everyone else's view Poland is the person that received help from a friend, but that person's descendents show nothing but ingratitude and insults to those that helped.
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  2108. A centuries long smouldering candle that occasionally flared up into a conflagration, compared to a short duration "flamethrower assault" by the nazis.
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  2109. Because they were more intelligent than you. Why declare war on a country that you have NO practical way of attacking, and who was in a plainly temporary alliance of convenience with its mortal enemy? No best to declare war on the more clear and present danger and drive a wedge further between Europe's then most capable armed forces (nazis) and the world's largest resource pool (Soviets) and let the situation fester, rather than forcing the two powers into a depper alliance. The tactic worked as the nazis then stupidly attacked the soviets on 22nd June 1941.
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  2110. Almost as much as they owe Britain.
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  2111. Hear hear !!! I find what should be equally true is that modern day Poles acknowledge the suffering and sacrifice that the UK went through in order to topple the nazi tyranny that was murdering their country. At a time when nazi Germany and the USSR devoured Poland, the rest of the world did utterly nothing, and continued on trading with the soviets and nazis as if nothing had happened, apparently unconcerned about the erasing of Poland from the map of Europe. The ONLY two countries that challenged the situation were the UK and France.... and don't allow yourself to be fooled that the "UK & France did nothing to help Poland". After the conquest of France, without the continued opposition of the British empire to nazism from June 1940 onwards, opposition which bankrupted the UK and cost her 460,000 of her citizen's lives, there would have been: NO D-Day and war in the Meditteranean to draw sizeable wehrmacht resources from the war on the Eastern Front. NO strategic bombing of German cities and war industries. NO interdiction of German global sea trade by the Royal Navy. NO massive supply of weapons and war materiel from the west to the USSR, once their former allies nazi Germany had turned on them. NO utterly crucial strategic intelligence courtesy of Britain's (not Poland's before you say it) "ULTRA" program. With the result that the USSR would have collapsed somewhere in 1942/43, leaving the nazis in control of the whole of Europe, and their extermination camps still operating on Polish soil into the 1950s, 60s, 70s or even beyond. Respect to BOTH of our countries.
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  2112. Please tell me how "Our government crapped on them"?
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  2113. They're not forgotten anywhere. As an aside the Scottish TUC was MASSIVELY against the UK's (& NOT "Scotland's") 1947 Polish Resettlement Act, as they believed a huge influx of educated Polish people would negatively impact the interests of their own members.
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  2114. It would be interesting to see the source of your figures... I'm not calling BS, but its very easy to total up individual groups who quite often overlap to varying degrees as in a "Venn diagram" and end up hugely inflating the final number.
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  2115. Sorry he couldn't have settled in London after WW2... According to the legions of clueless commenters in these "UK / Poland" threads... The UK forcefully repatriated ALL the Poles who had fought in the west back to Poland to be murdered by the NKVD. Which you and I know to be complete bollocks.
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  2116. There are still plenty of people about who are aware of the contribution of South Africa to the allied cause. My own father was in the RN and on a number of occasions docked in Simonstown, he always had great respect for the South African nation for the welcome extended to the RN sailors, and its eagerness to oppose nazism. His best friend onboard his ship was a South African naved David van Zyl, who unfortunately was killed when dad's ship was sunk in the Indian ocean on 5th April 1942. Respects to yours and my own father's service.
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  2117. "Won't take the time to do"? Don't you think its more a case of "Do not have the knowledge to do so"? Its a perfectly natural thing. Foreigners to a country more often than not manage to mangle the new country's language, theres no disrespect involved.
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  2118. The nazis that you were rescued from took a far FAR higher toll of the Polish population, you were saved from the ninth level of hell and ended up in a lesser one.
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  2119. It seems that Mark only deals in facts, not lefty propaganda BS.
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  2120. Where do you get the nonsense idea that the UK and USA "handed over Poland"? Have you ANY knowledge of the basics of WW2? Due to the national geography of Europe the USSR was the ONLY country that was in a position to kick the nazis out of Poland, and they did so at the cost of several million soviet lives. They had physical possession of Poland from mid 1944 onwards... so where was the "handing over" precisely? In February 1945 at Yalta on the Black Sea coast, the allied powers reached many agreements, one of which was that after the end of WW2, Poland would have a temporary government comprised of ALL viewpoints, but mainly the communists of the de facto "Lublin Committee", and the nationalists of the London based "Polish Government-in-exile". They would oversee the holding of further democratically held elections that would see Poland's first independent government since 1939. This temporary Polish government was called the "Provisional Government of National Unity" ( the "TRJN" or Tymczasowy Rząd Jedności Narodowej) based in Warsaw, which was the OFFICIAL Polish govt as recognised by the international community in the form of the "United Nations", and NOT just by Britain & the US alone. When the war in Europe finally ended, it quickly became obvious that the Soviets were doing everything in their power to inhibit and control the work of the Polish TRJN govt, fast forward to the August 1945 Potsdam conference, when the British and US pressed Stalin to ask him for a deadline for the organising of the democratic elections in Poland, he flatly refused, thereby reneging on his earlier agreement at Yalta 6 months earlier. What would YOU do then to push the +10 million strong fully armed Red Army then stationed in central & eastern Europe back to its pre-1939 borders? Its such a pity that you and the legions of other clueless commenters in threads such as these, were not personally there on the front line in central Europe in Summer 1945, eager to sacrifice YOUR own lives for the good of eastern Europe, instead of sitting behind your keyboard 80 years later complaining that MILLIONS of other people didn't sacrifice THEIR lives for the good of eastern Europe.
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  2121. Brian, instead of making incorrect comments about the situation why not do some of your own independent research to see why what you've typed is complete BS?
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  2122.  @slawekwojtowicz  The British merely guaranteed Polands borders, and promised to act if they were violated. We did. 460,000 British lives were sacrificed for Poland's benefit, We bankrupted ourselves for Poland's benefit, and we ended up losing our empire. Do you naively believe that countries maintain ruinously expensive standing armies, ready at a moments notice to spring into action anywhere in the world? Britain and France reacted as quickly as they could to mobilise their armies to the surprise assault on Poland on 1st Sept 1939. The British Royal Navy IMMEDIATELY instigated the "North sea blockade" that had effectively strangled Germany out of WW1. The RAF did not have the range to attack nazi forces in Poland and refused to bomb the German mainland as they did not want to spread the war but contain Germany. Though they did IMMEDIATELY attack German naval units at sea. The British army IMMEDIATELY initiated the transfer of its regular army units to France as the BEF (British Expeditionary Force). By Dec 1939 it had just 3 full strength divisions ready in France. It took till April 1940 for us to asemble 10 full divisions and 3 reserve divisions on the borders of Belgium. Poland collapsed after 5 weeks. The French army, which was by FAR the largest of the two nations, bungled its own mobilisation. It conscripted so many of its population that it crippled its own economy, and had to release countless thousands of soldiers to man her factories again. I'm glad that you accept that Poland's democracy was uppermost in British minds in the plan for postwar Europe, and that it was down to the duplicity of the soviets that Poland was subjected to a further 45 years of Soviet tyranny.
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  2123. The real disgrace was the US 82nd airborne ignoring their assigned task in the execution of "Market Garden", and causing the whole operation to fail.
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  2124. Are you suggesting native indonesians were secret Polish admirers? SHURELY not !!!
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  2125. Please feel free to attend any UK remembrance day parade where since 1945 the Polish contribution to the allied war effort is remembered every year with wreaths and tributes specifically laid in the memory of thre Polish war dead.
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  2126. Don't forget that it was only the UK and France who took up arms for the Poles in 1939... NO-ONE else in the world cared about the rape and murder of Poland, and we appreciate your ancestors resolve to see an end to nazi (and communist) tyranny.
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  2127. Don't worry your little heads... you're the ONLY thing we bloody hear about nowadays.
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  2128. Complete bollocks from the OP. Another uninformed dupe of the political left. With regard to the non-appearance of Polish forces during the "1946 Victory parade" the problem lay SQUARELY with POLAND. There is an ongoing belief that Britain somehow "cared what Stalin thought", That is complete nonsense. The first invites sent out by the UK Labour Govt of Clement Attlee to ALL the nations who had fought for the Allied cause during WW2 (including POLAND, Yugoslavia AND the USSR) were sent out weeks in advance of the parade. The Polish invite in particular was quite understandably delivered to the Polish "Provisional Government of National Unity" ( the "TRJN" or Tymczasowy Rząd Jedności Narodowej) based in Warsaw, which was the OFFICIAL Polish govt as recognised by the international community in the form of the "United Nations", and NOT just by Britain alone, the TRJN was the same govt that it was intended the London based Polish nationalist Govt in exile would become an intrinsic part of, as agreed to by ALL sides at the Yalta conference in Feb 1945.... (although the soviets subsequently saw to it that this never actually happened). This invite sent to Warsaw immediately raised a storm of protest with the Polish nationalist govt in exile based in London who, with some justification, felt they had been sidelined in this matter, their anger was supported by many British MPs and members of the British public. With only days left before the parade was due to take place, and with no reply or even acknowledgement of the British invite from the OFFICIAL Polish TRJN govt in Warsaw, the British govt then belatedly sent out a SECOND INVITE to the Polish Govt in Exile in London, (as well as directly to individual senior Polish service personnel), but as one united group they CHOSE to shun the invites to register their anger and disgust at being treated as "second fiddle" to the Warsaw govt. And the final Ignominy? The Warsaw TRJN govt never answered or even acknowledged the original invite from the UK (as neither did the USSR or Yugoslavia) and never attended the parade either. As you can see the Polish "non appearance" was solely down to a poisonous bitter mix of political hatred (from Warsaw) and hubris (from the London Poles), and NOTHING to do with this imaginary "Poles weren't invited to the parade" BS. As I've described above the Polish nation was actually the ONLY allied nation to receive TWO invites to the parade.
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  2129. We ARE grateful. It seems from these comment sections that its modern day Polish people who are ungrateful for the sacrifices made by OTHER nations for their sake.
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  2130. They have the strongest military in Europe for similar reasons to why nazi Germany had the strongest in the 1930s. In the 30's Germany's military growth was tacitly encouraged by the US to act as a bulwark against the westward spread of communism. In the 2020's Poland's growing military strength is a product of US corporate globalism preparing to topple the Russian govt to enable another WEF globalist puppet president to be put in charge... this will then allow US corporations to rape Russia's largely untapped pool of natural resources. I do hope the Poles don't mind dying to further promote US business interests.
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  2131. Fully agree with all of what you state, but what makes me laugh is that what you say has ALWAYS been "in the public domain" since it happened. Now all of a sudden the 80 years of general popular ignorance of those facts is now being rectified by globalist briefing just in time for them to set Poland against Russia with the aim of toppling Putin, putting another globalist puppet in his place and allowing the US corporate takeover of Russian natural resources. Hope Poles enjoy being used once again for the benefit of another foreign power.
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  2132.  @Lassisvulgaris  With regard to the non-appearance of Polish forces during the "1946 Victory parade" the problem lay SQUARELY with POLAND. The first invites sent out by the UK Labour Govt of Clement Attlee to ALL the nations who had fought for the Allied cause during WW2 (INCLUDING Poland, Yugoslavia & USSR) were sent out weeks in advance of the parade. The Polish invite in particular was quite understandably delivered to the Polish "Provisional Government of National Unity" ( the "TRJN" or Tymczasowy Rząd Jedności Narodowej) based in Warsaw, which was the OFFICIAL Polish govt as recognised by the international community in the form of the "United Nations", and NOT just by Britain alone, the TRJN was the same govt that it was intended the London based Polish nationalist Govt in exile would become an intrinsic part of, as agreed to by ALL sides at the Yalta conference in Feb 1945.... (although the soviets subsequently saw to it that this never actually happened). This invite sent to Warsaw immediately raised a storm of protest with the Polish nationalist govt in exile based in London who, with some justification, felt they had been sidelined in this matter, their anger was supported by many British MPs and members of the British public. With only days left before the parade was due to take place, and with no reply or even acknowledgement of the British invite from the OFFICIAL Polish TRJN govt in Warsaw, the British govt then belatedly sent out a SECOND INVITE to the Polish Govt in Exile in London, (as well as directly to individual senior Polish service personnel), but as one united group they CHOSE to shun the invites to register their anger and disgust at being treated as "second fiddle" to the Warsaw govt. And the final Ignominy? The Warsaw TRJN govt never answered or even acknowledged the original invite from the UK (as neither did the USSR or Yugoslavia) and never attended the parade either. As you can see the Polish "non appearance" was solely down to a poisonous bitter mix of political hatred (from Warsaw) and hubris (from the London Poles), and NOTHING to do with this imaginary "Poles weren't invited to the parade" BS. As I've described above the Polish nation was actually the ONLY allied nation to receive TWO invites to the parade.
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  2133.  @Lassisvulgaris  Poles weren't "denied to participate in the 1946 victory parade". Complete and utter lefty nonsense. Learn some history.
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  2134. Due to the fact that no airforce on earth had aircraft with sufficient operational range to transport paras to Warsaw and return to the UK. That lovely old totalitarian psychopath "Uncle Joe" Stalin flatly refused to let RAF aircraft land and refuel at soviet forward airfields in Eastern Poland.
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  2135. Since 1932 the Polish codebreakers Marian Rejewski, Henryk Zygalski & Jerzy Różycki worked within BS4 (the Polish general staff cipher Bureau focussed on German decryption & intelligence), and together with VITAL assistance given by the French intelligence officer Gustave Bertrand (who had cultivated a German informant codenamed "Asché" who had provided French Intelligence with tons of vital data including a full nazi procedural manual for use of the enigma encryption device), had by the purchase of a commercial version of the early enigma device and LOTS of analysis eventually broken into German army and navy 3 rotor encryption networks, this was a fantastic achievement, but it is true to say that they at no time did they crack German Kriegsmarine encryption due to the additional layers of security employed by the German navy. In December 1938 the nazis introduced a further 2 interchangeable encryption rotors to the enigma system, which immediately brought the vast majority of Polish decryption efforts to a grinding halt, which is where it remained up until the outbreak of WW2. In the weeks prior to the outbreak of WW2 the Polish research work was passed to the French, who in the six months they had it in their possession added little to the accumulated knowledge, and to the UK where the British government seized it with both hands, and made its study top priority. So was instigated the British "ULTRA" project. Jerzy Różycki elected to stay behind and work in Vichy France where, unknown to the Germans he worked on an a seperate secret encryption system, which bore no tangible fruit before his death in 1942. Marian Rejewski & Henryk Zygalski were, for security reasons, not included in the UK "ULTRA" project, and so took no further part in British decryption efforts. The British "ULTRA" project took the non working foundation research of the Polish decrypters and from there massively expanded that research to once again break into nazi 3 rotor enigma, this was followed in 1942 by the cracking of the improved kriegsmarine 4 rotor enigma network (SHARK), as well as simultaneously breaking into the FAR more complex "lorenz" cipher device used by the German army & navy high commands (TUNNY), before finally cracking the "Geheimschreiber" encryption device used by both the Luftwaffe high command as well as the top level of the nazi government (STURGEON), on top of these British achievements another product of the ULTRA program was the building of the world's first programmable electronic computer (COLOSSUS) to speed up the breaking of German codes. This was designed by a British telephone engineer (Tommy Flowers), which transformed British decryption from a process which often only gave results weeks after the message was eavesdropped on by the British, to a state of affairs where the British were reading top level communications at the same time as the intended German recipient. The early Polish codebreakers did indeed provide the "acorn" from which the British cultivated the "mighty oak" of ULTRA.
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  2136. @@badofi What Robert Sababady would actually benefit from would be a Mark Felton video detailing the events that took place at both the Feb 1945 Yalta conference & the August 1945 Potsdam conference, and how the SOVIETS and NOT the allies reneged on the agreement signed at Yalta with regard to Poland. Unfortunately it seems that credulous modern day Poles prefer to believe the version of events told to them by the same lefty turds who betrayed and then controlled their country from 1945 to 1991.
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  2137. Never trust a communist tyrant, seems to be the takeaway from that.
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  2138. They weren't betrayed by Churchill or Roosevelt. Who "liberated" and then stole Poland by reneging on agreements that they signed upto in Feb 1945 at Yalta? It was the soviets who had removed nazism from Polish soil at the cost of several million soviet lives. They ALONE then decided that they didn't want another "weak democracy" to allow another right wing government decide that it was going to turn eastwards against them for a THIRD time in the twentieth century. Hard facts but true. Its very easy to sit behind your keyboard 80 years after the events and say "millions of other people should have fought and died to liberate Poland from communism". Another clueless virtue signaler. As for "forbade from taking part in the 1946 victory parade", MORE uninformed nonsense. In fact Poland was the ONLY allied country to receive TWO invites to the victory parade, and it was SOLELY down to a poisonous mix of POLISH political hatred and hubris that they CHOSE to ignore BOTH invites.
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  2139.  @kennysuit8839  Of course they knew it was temporary. Hitler's avowed "raison d'etre" was to conquer the Soviet Union for "Lebensraum" as he had publicly declared in "Mein Kampf". For over 100 years the German foreign policy hinged on a phrase "Drang nach osten" or "Drive to the east". The Soviets weren't on "Friendly terms" they tried to pacify the nazis, especially after their humiliation by the Finns, to give them time to build up for the struggle that even they knew was going to come. I think you're in a minority of one if you think anyone in the world thought of the nazis and communists as "staunch allies"
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  2140. Why decalre war on a nation you have NO way of attacking, when its in a temporary alliance with its sworn enemy? Think about it.
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  2141. Free speech? Oh no YT don;t believe in that. You're good to go if you choose the same world view as the "silicon valley" globalists, but crippled if you don't. And I'm not even a nazi or communist !!!
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  2142. Go read the Polish govt-in-exile's OWN independent 1943/44 investigation into Sikorski's death, They openly acknowledge mutliple possible factors in the 1943 tragedy. The Germans - Gibraltar was AWASH with German spies and sympathisers. The Soviets - A soviet transport aircraft, complete with its own soviet ground crew, had been parked adjacent to Sikorski's B-24 Liberator for 24 hours prior to the Liberator's take off. The Poles - The Polish Govt-in-exile even acknowledge the hatred that existed between Sikorski & Wladislaw Anders, who detested Sikorski for his continued diplomacy with the soviet leadership, even after the discovery of the Katyn massacres. They illustrated that Sikorski's death cleared a path within the exiled Polish state for the advancement of Anders himself. But of course its FAR more fashionable to ignore all of that and to unquestioningly blame the UK.... The nation that was responsible for Poland's eventual release from nazi tyranny.
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  2143. How much did the "west" get from this imaginary "sale"? Apart from having to house hundreds of thousands of stateless Poles that is? The USSR had "liberated" Poland from the nazis in 1944 at the cost of several million soviet lives, no "sale" or "handing over" was necessary they had taken possession of Poland 18 months before the end of the war.
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  2144. Poland. The ONLY country to receive TWO invites to the 1946 UK Victory parade. Its such a pity she CHOSE to ignore BOTH of them through a poisonaous bitter mix of political hatred and hubris.
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  2145. He could but it would all be complete bollocks, because they weren't.
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  2146. Polish intelligence defeated the Germans? And there was me thinking it was the allies !!!
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  2147. I wonder if Polish people over 50 years of age ever consider the sacrifices Britain made on their behalf. Britain and France were the ONLY nations in the world who cared whether Poland existed or not in Sept 1939, 460,000 British lives lost in the struggle against nazi tyranny, Our nation was bankrupted by its efforts, and we lost our empire as a result. To read the vast majority of Polish commenters in these threads it seems more important that young Poles be educated in teh sacrifices that Britain and France made for them, more that the other way around.
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  2148. "Tudor Rose"..... composed of the melding of the Lancastrian Red rose, amd the Yorkist White rose.
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  2149. As it has ALWAYS been. The ORDINARY people of all nationalities want only to live out their lives in peace and harmony. It is ALWAYS the avaricious "elites" who manipulate the masses to generate and encourage discord between nations, whilst being ever ready to supply the necessary weapons to "defend the people" at extortionate prices. Meanwhile the "ordinaries" see their loved ones killed en masse, and their hard earned taxes being fed to the rich and powerful. Still going on to this day, with this phoney generated "Ukrainian war", where the poorest at the bottom pay the price with their blood and treasure and the globalist corporations and their bought and paid for politicos conducting the charade take all the profits. In future we should make the national leaders, military industrial corporate CEOs, and the world's bankers, fight it out in an arena "mano a mano" to decide the outcome of future conflicts while the general public piss all over them from the stands. That WOULD be the "war to end all wars".
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  2150. What? A symbolic "thank you" between powers? Why ridiculous?
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  2151. Sweden's, as well as America's (upto dec 1941) neutrality did NOT mean they did not profit from war, but that they were non partisan and could legally sell arms and supplies to BOTH sides of a war.
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  2152. But instead neatly and politely sidestepped a potential HUGE security risk.
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  2153. He doesn't tick any boxes for todays agenda laden media. Now if instead you subsituted a 16 year old disabled black girl for Count von Rosen then the film produced would be in line to sweep the 2025 oscars board clean.
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  2154. Not to mention his BROTHER, Alfred.
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  2155. Compare the "prefabs" to later building construction. I remember PLENTY of brick built council housing stock that was built in the 1960s and was torn down in the 1980s & 90s because they were so bloody awful.
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  2156. Bang on.
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  2157. My family lived in Rosalind St off Stanley Rd Bootle before WW2. They moved to Anfield in 1938 which was lucky as their half of Rosalind St was wiped off the map in May 1941, and when I look at a 1952 map of Bootle it clearly showed the layout of the prefab houses that were built on the bombed part of the road after WW2. If you were to go there today there is only "Rosalind Way" today it is the only street of that section of "victorian grid iron" streets off Stanley Rd that is different as it's only half as long as the rest and full of more recent housing.
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  2158. After 1971. Before that they were worth 12 old pennies.
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  2159. There wouldn't be as much profit to be made for the corporate friends of the ruling classes, so that sage idea would be a complete non-starter.
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  2160. No.
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  2161. I wonder if they give the UK credit for what they did for Poland?
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  2162. It's a pity that Capt Eugeniusz Pławski of ORP Piorun forgot to fire the most effective weapon he had at Bismarck. That is the 5 x 21in torpedo tubes that were onboard his ship. Piorun was the only one of the 5 destroyers of the RN 4th Destroyer Flotilla NOT to fire its torpedoes.
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  2163. British General James Hill's jawline alone would have seen off the nazi regime. What a man !!!
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  2164. Oh DO shut up with your NONSENSE !!!
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  2165. Unsurprising with his inate wisdom.
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  2166. The "H" hydrants are still in place, usually 2 or 3 feet underground in a "hydrant pit". In the UK there are still yellow coloured "Hydrant plates" in use to indicate their position to fire crews. A small number of older "Hydrant plates" have a large "HD" on them which signifies a double hydrant, and even less common are above ground "jumbo" hydrants of the type usually seen on the US pavements which provide a far greater volume of water than standard hydrants. The "EWS" were usually portable LARGE canvas "dams" (like a 30ft wide, 5ft deep kiddies paddling pool) or sometimes heavy gauge steel tanks sited on waste ground or other open space, and were provided because it only required one or two breaks in the underground water network caused by bomb explosions to cripple the water supply to a large area.
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  2167. Most certainly. I grew up in Liverpool UK and there were MANY such sites, though less and less so from the 1980s onwards.
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  2168. Some of us STILL use the more common imperial measurements to this day. Indeed if you go to a contemporary British horse race meeting, the courses are still measured in "Furlongs" (though I've never seen anyone using "rods" "links" "cables" & "chains" or any of the older, more arcane imperial measurements) and all of our road signs are in miles (it was only the EEC / EU that foisted sodding metric weights and measures onto us, it wasn't the choice of the indigenous UK population to do so). One personal caveat is that I've always preferred centigrade rather than fahrenheit.
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  2169. It seems preparations were in place for the appearance of the nazis "Amerikabomber". Great info.
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  2170. I do possess a small tin foil hat myself, but you appear to be parading in the full three piece suit complete with ermine lined, aircraft grade aluminium cloak and 30ft long train. Very dapper !!!
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  2171. As a young lad in 1970s Liverpool, My best friend's father worked on the Liverpool dock estate (in the UK). In the days before stifling "health and safety" and kids being wrapped in cotton wool, we were allowed at weekends to roam free around the old and decaying dock sheds. One of my favourite places to explore was the old abandoned "Riverside railway station", From where millions of Europeans transferred from the rail network, across the road and onto the transatlantic ships on the river Mersey heading for a fresh start in the "new world".... and where during the first and second world wars hundreds of thousands of American GIs flooded back again. The station was closed to the public, empty, abandoned and decaying, but absolutely chock a block with signage and other bits and pieces from pre WW2 right up until the late 1960s when it had finally been closed. I was an "URBEX'er" before it was a "thing". I just wish I had taken a camera with me as a young lad to capture those forlorn "ghosts". Today the whole area has been cleared and is currently a car park for nearby business/residential developments on the Liverpool seafront.
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  2172. As Mr Felton says.... when walking around day to day stick your phone in your pocket, (only taking it out to receive calls) and instead LOOK AROUND YOU AND LIVE IN THE "NOW". The observant amongst us spot all manner of fascinating things (especially in urban landscapes)... even more so when you look above ground level.
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  2173. The "powers that be" generally want national histories forgotten. They believe nonsense such as it perpetuating former international emnities, and promoting "national identities" which no longer have any place in their view of a future one world population. You have only to look at the syllabuses of modern privately run "academies" (which are replacing state education) to see how history is being eradicated from the minds of the young
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  2174. Aye a "proper" job.
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  2175. They showed the same lack of moral compass as did the also neutral United States who ALSO happily sold war materiel to BOTH sides of the European war THROUGHOUT WW2.
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  2176. Combined arms warfare.
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  2177. Not all unintentional.
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  2178. "For lesser results"? Are you SURE about that?
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  2179. I would suggest the only real effect of the Stukas at night would be the scream of their sirens which would have carried over a large area, and may have initially exerted some degree of damage to civilian morale.
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  2180. Where does that image of an intimidating Skorzeny pointing a gun at the camera come from I wonder?
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  2181. Go read about the crown jewels of the German Hesse dynasty that were robbed by the US at the end of WW2.
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  2182. That's just in your mind.... its the same air / earth / water as exists anywhere else in the world. Any "evil" is projected from your own perception.
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  2183. A lot of it likely graces the billion dollar homes of the US centric globalist "elite".
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  2184. US cultural destruction. No need for individual national heritage when the US wants to run everything.
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  2185. They'll never EVER get into the archives of globalist puppet Biden and his WEF masters.
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  2186. 12:13 Back in the good old days when there were TWO bathrooms... one for each of the two genders.
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  2187. Chislehurst caves were a well known refuge for Londoners escaping nazi German bombing.
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  2188. If you look at the profile of the concrete ABOVE the 1945 door shown at 4:53 and notice the rebate in the edge of the concrete, then compare it to the modern day image at 4:46, there you will see the same rebated concrete edge just above the slope of the accumulated soil at the BOTTOM of that image, which would suggest that the 1945 door is actually buried BENEATH the leaf strewn earth at the bottom of the 4:46 image.
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  2189.  @TellySavalas-or5hf  I've just downloaded Part 4 of the original series about the Malmedy Massacre.... bloody hell like travelling back 51 years looking at all those photos I remember as a child. Are the "40 - 45 toen & Nu" editions newly written with current day photos of the relevant sites? or are they simply re-releases of older editions? P.S Makes me feel REALLY old to realise that the current year of 2024 back to the publication of the original magazine (1973) is nearly twice as long as from the magazine to the original event (1944). :(
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  2190.  @TellySavalas-or5hf  According to their website they stopped production of new editions in May 2022? but the back issues are still available digitally... Thank I'll buy a few that I remember, that'll give me some interesting reading. Happy memories.
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  2191.  @TellySavalas-or5hf  I'd forgotten ALL about them over the years, but as soon as you mentioned them It brought back the feeling of fascination by the few that I managed to lay my hands on in the mid to late 70s as a young lad in the UK, I seem to remember the copies I saw were in English. I'm searching around now on the net to see if someone has an archive of them. Thanks for the reminder. P.S there seems to be quite a number available on Ebay.... think I might take myself for a trip back dwon memory lane !!! Thanks once again.
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  2192. DO egotistical leaders EVER pay for things out of their OWN funds?
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  2193. Soviets are OFTEN called Bolsheviks. The Reason why "nazi" is correctly descriptive of Germany and the same for Communist Russia etc in that period is that they were both one party totalitarian states. You couldn't accurately call Britain "conservative Britain", or the US as the "the democratic US" as you would be denying the existence of the large parts of their population & governments that were openly Socialist or republican or ANY of the other political creeds that are allowed in those multi party nations & governments. The bolshevik USSR an nazi Germany were explicitly correct as the "one party" and state were inextricably linked.
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  2194. What do you think Biden's home will be? Like the cave where General Yamashita's gold hoard is buried?
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  2195. No its not a matter of "niceness", it's called "intelligence".
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  2196. Naujocks was also involved in the "Venlo incident" where two British intelligence agents were kidneapped in neutral Holland in 1939, as well as orchestrating the nazi's "Operation Bernhard/Andreas" plan to flood the UK with faked British banknotes. Bloody rum character if you ask me !!!!
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  2197.  @Foul_Quince  My bad. I was thinking you were a nazi fanboi, suggesting that Neville Chamberlain had started the war..... I need to take some time out of comments I guess. All the best.
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  2198.  @Foul_Quince  Who do you mean by "the man who started the war"?
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  2199.  @torquemaddertorquemadder2080  DOn;t mistake clearly stated facts for "stories". If you like "stories" read some of the complete BS nazi apologist posts in these threads.
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  2200. Spot on. The playbook for the "Project for the New American Century".
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  2201. Horsehair from the stuffing in the seat of his car was blown into his shrapnel wounds by the adapted anti tank mine that Jan Kubiš had tossed into his Mercedes. By all accounts a lingering a painful death that the German medics were unable to treat due to their lack of suitable drugs. Excellent.
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  2202. We prefer the imperial system in Britain and the US.
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  2203. The "Tamiya" plastic kit company who produce the model Tiger II is Japanese.
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  2204. Its already happening.... former democratic governments around the world now usurped by corporate globalist corruption.
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  2205.  @Historia.Magistra.Vitae.  Mixed economy? Please don't fool yourself or anyone else. Not any more it isn't. Public sector being replaced by private corporations... education, health, civil service, local councils ALL being "outsourced". "Democratic governments" have over the last 30-40 years been turned into "political theatre" bought and paid for by the filthy corrupting influence of corporate globalism. All designed to keep the "unthunkers" believing that they really have a say in what happens. Never has the old saying ever been more true.... "If voting could change anything it would be made illegal"
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  2206. ​ @AR-rg2en  Please tell us more about how the UK now controls the countries I've listed above.
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  2207. Its incredible how they make the puppets so lifelike nowadays.... animatronics really has reached a new level !!!!
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  2208. Equally clearly not the so called "Democrats".... aka neo con corporate globalists.
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  2209. Not at all, it just shows how mind controlled you are by corporate media.
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  2210. Cope.
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  2211. Carry out a search for "murders carried out by nazis" and you will be confronted, quite rightly, with HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of results. Now do the same for "murders carried out by communists" and be prepared for tumbleweed to blow across the barren results pages, most of what is presented by the globalist search engines in response to the second search are actually pages documenting the murder of communists by the right wing. This is inspite of verifiable documented evidence of the FAR higher death toll of communist victims in the 20th century. What does that disparity tell you?
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  2212. "Two legs good, four legs bad".
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  2213. Whoever would have guessed that Erich Honecker would evolve into the likes of the poisoned "MacDwarf" Nicola Sturgeon. Y'know the lovely lefty scumbag who wants thought and speech crimes to be enforcable within private dwellings in Scotland and has put in place a "child informant" charter in the once democratic nation of Scotland. And she's not alone... the globalist filth have taken root in once democratic governments the world over... you have been warned.
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  2214. Well after all, the lefties are really such lovely, "touchy feely", caring people aren't they? Strange how education systems and the MSM around the world never highlight, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao Zedong, Lavrentii Beria isn't it?
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  2215. You think? "One world" communism is now in the process of taking over the world, are you too thick to see it?
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  2216.  @deoglemnaco7025  "You should always love and respect your government" !!! Are you quite sure about that? What about when "your government" is an evil, despotic tyranny? Should North Koreans "love and respect" their government? Was it right for Germans to "love and respect" the nazi dictatorship? I think you need to think again, its upto individuals to decide when a government has overstepped its remit, and where possible identify & resist totalitarianism from the very start. This current "plandemic" is so obviously a totalitarian power grab, but too many are scared by the BS or are just thick and unquestioningly follow the MSM BS thats constantly pumped out.
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  2217. Unfortunately the now slick suited globalist quislings have made their way from 1960s university courses to positions of power. Globalist "one world communist" government awaits !!!
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  2218. National governments around the world have long been infected and subverted by long placed "fungal" globalist Quisling "spores" that are now sprouting and showing their true identity.
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  2219. Send all the 5-10 million economic migrants who've been ushered into our country by globalist puppets over the last 20-30 years back home and limit the properties owned by any one individual or organisation to say 5 or 10 then the "housing crisis" will soon vanish.
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  2220. So much unsubstantiation in so short a post.
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  2221. That may be the case, but the corporate globalists would not have filched countless billions of dollars from the public tax revenues of the west for an endless supply of weapons and supplies, while continuing to whittle down the human race.
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  2222. We now live in a corporate dictatorship dressed in the ragged old clothes of our former democracies.
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  2223. "Reform" do not need the corporate puppets of the "cons" amongst their number !!!
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  2224. Well said.. my sentiments EXACTLY. Keep climbing those chimneys Fred !!!
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  2225. Corporate boardrooms are where party policies are now made.
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  2226.  @rickatatastan2695  Which aspects do you know he's wrong in?
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  2227. Where was the opposing voices in parliament? Thick as mince people don't know our country (and indeed the "west" in general) has become a corporate dictatorship hiding behind the old rags of "democracy".
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  2228. Please remember people... other scripted soap operas are available !!!
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  2229. I'm with you up until you say "to cover a heinous crime". Got any proof of that to share? Or just unsubstantiated nonsense?
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  2230. No it wasn't. Don't believe ALL the BS reported in the MSM.
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  2231.  @MrFrog_  I've not got the opposition. Whaddya expect?
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  2232.  @MrFrog_  You really should be onstage... as a plank.
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  2233.  @MrFrog_  Believe me it doesn't take much to outwit a lemon like yourself.
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  2234. Nice of you to make such a public self confession.
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  2235. Don't self project.
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  2236. He wasn't in the "cave complex". That is CLUELESS cretinous juvenile reporters misreporting events.
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  2237. Succumbed to extreme heat exhaustion and subsequent chronic dehydration.
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  2238. It's already surreptitiously infused into the reporting.
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  2239. If you look at the area its very rocky borken ground with low lying scrub vegitation. VERY easy to go unnoticed.... it was pure chance that he was spotted from a boat a short distance off the coast.
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  2240. There are plenty of aspects of society that deserve a huge dollop of healthy cynicism, but the tragic case of a person making a bad judgement call, and inadvertantly under heat stress becoming disorientated and turning a bad situation into a tragedy doesn't fell like one of those. And that's coming from someone who is never without his own tin foil hat.
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  2241. I've voted all my life, but in the last few years I have become one of those voters that I never understood as a young person.... The "spoiled ballot paper" voter. When NONE of the parties on the ballot represent the things you feel most strongly about, when there is NO "clear blue / red / orange water" between the party manifestos (for what they're worth), only a big messy, meaningless "one size fits no-one" consensus, and when finally the general calibre of the candidates on offer is so inexecrably bad, and finally there is no "none of the above" tickbox on the ballot, then what can you do? Not vote? That is just easily discounted as "just a low turnout" & "voter apathy", surely better than not voting is to put your message and feeling on the paper, and then if the day ever arrived where 64.3% of the vote was spoiled ballots, it might then be interesting to see what would transpire from that result.
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  2242. Can I withdraw my tax contributions from the UK economy please.... I have no wish to see it usurped and wasted by corporate globalist politicians... the Russians have done utterly NOTHING to threaten me or my family. What a corporate globalist BS mouthpiece this channel is.
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  2243. "The defence of Ukraine"? I see NATO has moved 1000 milesEASTWARDS since the 1990s...... It's RUSSIA that is defending herself now.
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  2244. HELP!!! HELP!!! THE SKIES FALLING IN !!!!THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING !!! (meanwhile western troops and weapons are deploying along the very borders and coasts of Russia after having advanced 1000 miles EASTWARDS over the last 30 years).
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  2245. What threat? It's RUSSIA that is "under threat".
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  2246. 1. There's no danger to the UK from Russia... only from the globalist puppets in our own govt who've ripped this country apart over the last 20 years.
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  2247. No it won't... stop worrying, the skies not falling in, learn to recognise when rich western industrialists are scaring you to make you happy to give your money to them for more useless weapons,
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  2248. Who's laughing at who? If you had the wit to realise its "Boomers" who are speaking out against our globalist puppet govt and media to STOP dim witted millenials like yourself from ANY form of compelled military service. You silly boy.
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  2249. Where is this supposed "danger from Russia"? Its the globalist west where the danger is being pushed from, led by the US, NATO & the EU who are now marching up and down the very borders and coasts of Russia itself after having pushed the border of US influence in Europe 1000 miles EASTWARDS since 1990. More BS from this propaganda channel.. they should rename this channel "Der Sturmer" after the filthy rag that fired up the German "unthunkers" before WW2.
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  2250. Inspite of ALL the globalist BS spouted by this and other globalist mouthpiece channels about how Russia is continually being drubbed by NATO, this engineered globalist world power grab by the use of eastern European proxies will drag on into 2024 and beyond. Wake up drongoes, ignore the BS globalist narrative plastered across our western corporately owned MSM. And finally, remember the old saying... "It'll all be over by Christmas" !!!
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  2251. Keep swallowing the narrative, fools.
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  2252. Lets see what globalist BS spin this channel tries to put on this atrocity, when the truth is this channel's paymasters are ENCOURAGING this BS to enrage the general public so we'll welcome a coming globalist police state. Just tow the inflatables back to France instead of towing them to the UK
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  2253. The public at large ARE mugs... they still vote for WEF funded "liebour/CONservatives/Liberal DEMONcrats"
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  2254. Not "terrorism"? Utter BS. It's VERY much terrorism, just of the type we're not meant to talk about. It's only "terrorism" when it's white people standing up for their family's and country's safety.
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  2255. How does anyone who has done such a thing as "Christian"?
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  2256. He IS doing "good by his country". Protecting its borders from the encroachment of NATO which has advanced its geo-political "front line" of its proxy nations 1000 miles EASTWARDS since 1990 despite promising NOT to do so before the fall of communism.
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  2257. BREAKING NEWS....... RABID GLOBALIST MOUTHPIECE FROTHS OVER RUSSIAN PUBLICITY COUP !!!!
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  2258.  @dub604  Go stand vigil at Savile's grave... the turd Starmer would LIKE you to do that.
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  2259. "Look Mummy !!! A corporate globlaist mouthpiece channel !!!"
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  2260. Next trial is stopping the brown tide being ferried across the channel... hopefully "the climate catastrophe" (pffff) will warm the channel sufficiently to support a healthy population of great white sharks !!!!
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  2261. That really applies to ALL nations. Why do you imagine it's just the "UK"?
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  2262. "Speak Russian in our homes"? Are you for REAL? Western forces are on the very borders and coasts of Russia itself, having moved the US's "sphere of influence" 1000 miles EASTWARDS through central and eastern Europe over the last 35 years. The Russians have NEVER been further AWAY from us !!! More people in the UK are worried about being subjected to sharia law than "speaking Russian".
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  2263. Unfortuntely the "enemy within" is our own globalist puppet Govt & establishment nowadays, Happily flooding the country with migrants, well let their new "friends" do the fighting and demonstrate their allegiance to their new "mother country"..... I can't see a stampede of pyjama wearing flip flop shod new "Friends" racing to our recruiting offices anytime soon.
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  2264. Don't compare the current globalist orchestrated BS to WW2. You only highlight your own cluelessness.
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  2265.  @vincentvanmeow  We could... but the globalist puppet government that has been foisted upon us has utterly NO intention to do so... as they wring their hands in mock despair.
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  2266. Nah... we don't, trust me. Stop wasting money on the corporate globalist MIC and instead spend it on the people whose tax revenue it is.
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  2267. US centric Corporate globalist hegemony.
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  2268. Your ignorance is STAGGERING !!!
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  2269. You know not the hour or the day. A small hope for me is that Mr Mosley & his wife didn't part on that beach on angry terms.
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  2270. Why would you think it actually MATTERS what YOU believe? Though you are completely correct about walking in very high temperatures.
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  2271. How do you know he was "perfectly healthy"? Another dope advertising his own complete ignorance.
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  2272. NO, just in the minds of the simple.
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  2273. "It didn't look like he even had water with him". He was carrying a small rucksack along with his umbrella, what do you suppose he MIGHT have had in the rucksack?
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  2274. Yes... from ALL sides of parliament.
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  2275. Well he will do won't he? Non-elected... wife fleecing the HMRC..... nice offshore investments and insider dealing.... the government he directs on behalf of the WEF legislate to impoverish the indigenous. He's got a hard sell on his hands.
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  2276. utter dork.
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  2277. Utter globalist cack. Let THEM get on the front lines.
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  2278. You show your lefty credentials well. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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  2279. Hows things in globalist BS MSM world today?
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  2280. It'll all be over by Christmas !!! Dream on propaganda channel.
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  2281. Watch out for those reds under the bed. Go buy an other bottle of "copium", lefty dupe.
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  2282. Help !!! The Sky is falling in !!! I'm off to tell the king !!!
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  2283. Who knows? Maybe they will just pass the 2022 Peace accords that were agreed to between the Russians and Ukrainians, but which were then scuppered by the UK & US globalists, eager to maintain a "perpetual war" to further bleed western taxpayers dry by transferring continual billions into NATO MIC bank accounts?
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  2284. You cannot vote for ANY mainstream party in the west now.... they're ALL financed and directed by corporate globalism via the WEF nowadays. But the moronic masses think that LIEbour / CONservative / Liberal DEMONcrat are all "options" when the truth is they're ALL financed by corporations now, and make petty "window dressing" policy differences to make the dupes think they have a democratic alternative to vote for. NONE of them depart from the central globalist agenda so there IS no viable alternative to their "mutlicultural / globalist / climate emergency" BS agenda.
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  2285. Who says ISIS was responsible? Oh yeah... the US and its globalist corporate MSM does... THAT'S who. Russia does not agree. Has the US govt found out yet who REALLY killed their own president in 1963?
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  2286. "poland planning its defence against Russia"? Remijnd me again where are western tanks operating? Oh yes within Russia itself.... The lying of this globalist mouthpiece channel continues on unabated.
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  2287. "Poland is preparing for war"? Lemme guess, is it a case of? 1. A "grassroots" urge from the population of Poland to wreak revenge on Russia/Byelorussia for past transgressions? 2. The globalist puppet politicians who have been insinuated into govt there are being ordered by their paymasters at WEF/NATO/US headquarters to sacrifice millions of Polish lives to further the business interests of the major global corporations?
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  2288. 30 Challenger tanks in Estonia in NATO/WEF/Globalist "Regime change in Russia" Project.
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  2289.  @fabianrolewski172  No YT regularly "ghost comments" for infractions of their disjointed censorship. My comments are still all visible to myself.
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  2290.  @fabianrolewski172  No I@m not... you just stick with the narrative, and don't bore me.
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  2291. Bloody fools if they do... spending their peoples taxes to further US hegemony across the world.
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  2292. "Russia's avaricious engagement in Ukraine"... oh you mean opposing globalist / US corruption on her borders? All for the purpose of isolating Russia and attempting to topple its regime and install yet another fucking globalist puppet there like the globalist puppet western leaders?
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  2293. More bloody fool Poles if they do allow the US to use them as a pawn sacrifice to further spread US power across the globe.
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  2294. More globalist bollocks.
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  2295. Yawn... no we're not.
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  2296. Well done to India (and that comes from a Brit), it needs more countries to stand upto the globalist constructed narrative as they get ever closer to world domination.
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  2297. OH look its the future "one world government" plan for the future world population.
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  2298. Remind me again Kumar... which was the ONLY empire in the WHOLE of human history of outlawed slavery? and spread civilisation into the darkest corners of the world?
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  2299. Imagine China playing the Russian's enemy in Mexico? Any wonder the world increasingly hates US centric globalism?
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  2300. Absolutely Gvardiecky, And we still thank them in the UK during every remembrance and batte of Britain day parade.
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  2301. Latest addition to the "marvel" superhoeroes cannon, He's Super Czech man.
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  2302. Stay safe? The Luftwaffe was defeated. Nothing for this man to worry about.
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  2303. That Czech hero took off as a 93 year old, and landed as a 21 year old. What a guy !!! Thank you for your service. We'll never see their likes again. God bless em.
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  2304. Flt Lt Eric Stanley Lock (English) - 21½ confirmed kills. (in Spitfires) Sgt James Harry Lacey (English) - 18 confirmed kills. (In Hurricanes) Flt Lt Archie Ashmore McKellar (Scottish) - 17½ confirmed kills. (Mostly in Hurricanes, with just two scored in Spitfires) Sgt Josef František (Czechoslovakian) - 17 confirmed kills. (In Hurricanes) Pilot Off Colin Falkland Gray (New Zealand) - 15½ confirmed kills. (In Spitfires) Fl Off Brian Carbury (New Zealand) - 15½ confirmed kills. (In Spitifres) Flt Lt Witold Urbanowicz (Poland) - 15 confirmed kills. (In Hurricanes)
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  2305. While celebrating the bravery, skill and success of Polish "Kościuszko" 303 sqd, the top scoring RAF squadron of the battle of Britain, also remember the other nationalities who flew as part of the squadron during the battle and who contributed SO much to its success. Polish "Kościuszko" 303 Sqd total kill tally - 58.5 confirmed kills Squadron commander, Sqd Ldr Ronald Gustave Kellett (British) - 5 confirmed kills "A" Flight commander, Fl Lt John Alexander Kent (Canadian) - 6 confirmed kills "B" Flight commander, Fl Lt Athol Stanhope Forbes (British) - 7 confirmed kills. Sgt pilot Josef František (Czechoslovakian) - 17 confirmed Kills. We in the UK remember ALL the pilots (and NOT just the Polish ones).
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  2306.  @jonsouth1545  RAF Bomber command raids are offensive actions against German targets in the French channel ports, and were in no way part of RAF fighter command's defence against the luftwaffe attacks on Britain. The "rhubarb" and "circus" raids that you're alluding to took place well after Seelöwe had been cancelled and the Germans repelled. You KNOW you're being disingenuous. You even admit that what you're trying to portray is revisionist claptrap.
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  2307.  @bruce_c_in_nz  Fair enough. I'm happy to have acted as a counterweight to the original asserion. Balance has been restored.
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  2308. What a pile of disingenuous, lefty, revisionist garbage. Why have you chosen to "cherry pick" your figures from different sources, was it to show the RAF at its strongest, and the Luftwaffe at its weakest? Why have you chosen to represent RAF defensive strength to include bomber and coastal command? They were NOT defending and took NO part in the defensive airwar over England in 1940. Lets look at some official figures shall we? AIR 40/1207 - Air Ministry: Periodical Returns, Intelligence Summaries and Bulletins. Dated 10th July 1940 (officially the first day of the battle of Britain). Total fighter command returns 645 aircraft to include all Spitfire / Hurricane / Blenheim / Defiants. That is 645 serviceable fighter aircraft to DEFEND the whole of Britain, NOT the 1963 you try to suggest which included the likes of defensively useless types such as Battles, Hampdens, Wellingtons & Whitleys. Facing the 645 fighters of RAF Fighter Command were the assembled forces of Luftflottes 2, 3 & 5. As you may imagine, Luftwaffe records from 1940 are piecemeal and hard to correlate, but a fair aggregation of serviceable aircraft (Which does NOT include the Do 18s / FW 200s etc of the Küstenfliegers, Ju52s etc of KG zbV1, and other assorted offensive units stationed in Germany / Poland) as of July / August 1940 are as follows. Single-engined fighters 787 Twin-engined fighters 219 Night fighters 63 Fighter-bombers 119 Dive-bombers 294 Twin-engined bombers 960 Four-engined bombers 7 Long-range reconaissance aircraft 185 Total Offensive A/C available in France the Low Countries, and Scandinavia 2,634 Which gives an offensive luftwaffe strength (2634) to defensive RAF strength (645) ratio of 4.08 luftwaffe aircraft to every 1 RAF fighter. Save your slanted, biased nonsense for those who can't read facts for themselves.
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  2309. Lets see the full, unedited cut of the "incident", y'know including the bit where the oscar's director shouts "CUT !!!! It's a wrap !!!".
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  2310. Yes... of COURSE he does..... He's down to his last 10 conscripts and a single tank isn't he? If you believe the neocon BS about the thousands of tanks and aircraft and millions of troops he's supposed to have lost in Ukraine.... and yet there they are... the Russkis still giving as good as they get.
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  2311. WAKE UP.... Russia has been happy to negotiate for the last 2 years... its the US and their eastern European proxies that decided its "my way or the highway" to use an americanism.
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  2312. When people cannot understand the simple facts of what has occured, speculation as to "conspiracies" begins to creep in. Conspiracies where completely reasonable & logical circumstances exist are a sign of low intelligence.
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  2313. No... there is no cliff or significant height in the vicinity of where his body lay.
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  2314.  @benkeegans9349  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_stroke
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  2315. Only "odd" if you have little or no knowledge of the events that transpired.
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  2316. More nonsense. Why bother commenting?
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  2317. ludicrous, inhuman lefty dupe alert.
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  2318. What ARE you on about?
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  2319. Also complete BS. Yet 15 people believe your shite post on the internet.
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  2320. Please direct me to where she states he was "feeling poorly"? Luckily no-one is asking you.
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  2321. Get with the program Debbie... The exhaust from Bill's planes is actually pure oxygen sprinkled with rose petals, he flew over my house last week and 2 minutes later it was like confetti at a wedding drifting from the sky.
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  2322. Why the hell does everyone equate the BS that has happened over the last few years with "fascism"? Fascism is by its very essence is nationalist in nature, concerned with the ethnic and national purity of its people, so how does the flooding of former western democracies with economic migrants from the former third world enabled by puppets of the World Econmoic Forum posing as "national leaders" equate with nationalist self regard and determination? Dictatorial and authoritarian for sure but diametrically opposed in its nature from the "fascism" that so many parrot. Are the "parroters of fascism" part of the push of the world towards the same form of "captialist communism" as practiced in China today? What's been going on over the last few years is FAR more in line with "one world communism", the undermining of nationhood, the melding of former sovereign nations towards a homogenised "whole". The same as the former Soviet Union which usurped power from nation after nation, and then welded those countries in its own image into the behemoth & leadership of the soviet empire. Stalin was born in Georgia, Trostsky was born in Ukraine and many others of the "top table" of Soviet communism were born outside of Russia. But what is true is that the world being led to the far left WILL and IS causing a natural counter movement of some people towards the "right", caused by a large number of people who know they are no longer represented by the globalist clique now so concerned with tearing down society and former sovereign nations as they were in their quest for a smaller, more easily governable "one world population". I hate political extremes of EITHER end of the spectrum, but I'm constantly puzzled by the ridiculous parroting of "fascist" this and "fascist" that
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  2323. He was when this video was made, and hence why the BBC slimeball asked him "are you prepared to throw away the chance of becoming the world's greatest male tennis player".
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  2324. BS.... think of all the old people YOU PERSONALLY have been responsible for killing by carrying all previous flu viruses around before this latest fake BS panic alert came out. I'm sure that Djokovic will sleep easily at night without the "respect" of a mindless drone.
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  2325. My god thats a whole PILE of hot shit !!! "right wing government" indeed, Complete BOLLOCKS !!!
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  2326. The whole migrant "multicultural" BS was ALWAYS an "ordo ab chao" ploy.... just as the rise of communism in the post WW1 Weimar German republic was to rocket propel the nazis into power, so has all this "oh we can't stop the migrants" BS. They WANT the populations of Europe to be fired up, so the tw@ts in the WEF can instigate their authoritarian regimes across Europe to "protect us" from the deluge of migrants that THEY created in the first place !!!!
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  2327. With all the stories of the Russian forces being snotted left right and centre I guess it'll "all be over by Christmas" will it..... they must be down to their last 5 tanks according to the "narrative". While the reality is this is simply Globalist orchestrated "endless war".... all the better for stripping the public purse of every penny and handing control of the world over to corporate globalism.
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  2328.  @samg.5165  Read of and view on YT and in teh MSM in general the THOUSANDS of tanks and aircraft that the Russians are meant to be losing hand over fist , while according to the MSM the NATO proxy forces have suffered a couple of burst tyres on a utility vehicle... and yet the Russians are supposedly advancing and "threatening us". Use your eyes.
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  2329. What? Russia is advancing? I though we are constantly being told how the Russkis are being mown down in divisions for the last two years.... whats it gonna be? Ukrainian proxies are getting theeir arses spanked? or the Russians are down to their last 5 tanks? Make your mind up !!!!
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  2330. They did exist back then as well. Haj Amin al-Husseini (A.K.A The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem) was cordially invited to the Reichchancellery in 1941 to discuss Arab support for the nazi destruction of European and eventually world Jewry.
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  2331. While I fully concur with the sentiment of videos such as these, why do the media chose NOT to also highlight the FAR more murderous rule of communism across the 20th century? Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and other communist despots accounted for the lives of over 100 - 150 million people during the twentieth century, but VERY little is ever heard about their crimes?
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  2332. It was already on its way then unfortunately.
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  2333. The horror is censored because the "powers that be" don't WANT people to see the true horror of warfare..... the "masses" might start opposing the ongoing US centric corporate globalist assault on Russia and the Israeli massacre in Gaza.
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  2334. Hahahaha delusional.
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  2335. The level of utter ignorance and uninformed stupidity in comments is shocking. Jesus !!! The complete lack of intelligence in SO many people is really quite scary.
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  2336. In the absence of intelligence, nonsense will instead fill in the yawning gaps.
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  2337. At least this time you're prepared for the emptiness of the globalist puppet UK government's words.
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  2338. the position of being ferried around the world by globalist sponsored NGOs....
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  2339. We do what the globalists feckers tell their puppets in parliament what we have to do..
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  2340. Let me run you through why this is happening. Energy companies now owned by Globalist Corporations >>>>> World Economic Forum >>>>> G8 Davos meetings >>>>> National Governments now controlled by globalist finance >>>>>> WEF motto "YOU will own nothing and YOU will be happy"..... Anything else is bollocks. Nuff said
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  2341. Listen to this BS. Seeing as the trumped up "rate of inflation" figures bear almost NO resemblance to real world price rises, then a fall in that figure does NOT herald "an end to the cost of living crisis". Lowering of real world prices, especially those imposed by MASSIVELY profitable globalist owned utility companies and sanctioned by the globalist puppet govt in Westminster will mean an end to all the money grabbing BS that has gone on since the start of the globalist power grab with the "winter sniffles" nonsense. Lowering of inflation at this time of year is just a preparation for shafting wage rises come April.
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  2342. The forces only require a small number of mature employees to act as "role models" for this years young impressionable intake. Once you've thrown off your youthful enthusiasm to be "thrown into combat" you're out on your ear with a job pushing trolleys around asda car park.
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  2343. You do of course realise that the military industrial complex is no longer interested in employing humans? They merely want to strip national "public coffers" of its billions of dollars and to transfer that wealth into their own corporate bank accounts. (for younger people "public money" is the money that YOU & I collectively have deducted from OUR income ostensibly to build & maintain a society that supports our existence). Just as with the theft of public money by corporations selling poison vaccines to "treat" the virus that their corporations released into the world. We've sacked all the checkout staff at the supermarket and replaced them with computers.... why would you expect the corporately built armed forces to be any different?
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  2344. I voted for Brexit but didn't for one minute think it would change a thing... apart from the rest of globalist run Europe being directed to go all out to crush us. But please don't for one second think this is purely a British problem it is across the world.... corporate globalism wreaking as much destruction as it can in the effort to transfer all wealth into their coffers.
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  2345. As "frankie goes to Hollywood" used to sing.... "Just think of it... war breaks out and nobody turns up"
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  2346. You believe other armed forces are any different?
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  2347. Please explain? You imagine that its just Britain this is happening to? Awww how naive of you.
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  2348. "one Me262 shot down"....Poor wehraboo confronted by reality defends weakly.
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  2349.  @robertvaughn6646  You're forgetting the part that wind direction plays in take off and landing, and also the idea of aircraft just taking off in whatever direction they happen to be pointed in means that I'd prefer not to be a pilot in your squadron. Back to the original point of your post... planes WOULD at some point in their marshalling cycle taxi.
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  2350.  @robertvaughn6646  What you don't seem to admit is that aircraft have to taxi to a take off position, or do you believe that they all line up at the start of the runway waiting for the order to take off? There's a clue in the film itself.... when the phone rings at the hut where the pilots are resting between sorties, what does the aircraftsman who answers the phone say? "Dispersal", that is the planes were dispersed around the airfield to avoid all being destroyed on the ground as happened in Poland, Netherlands, Belgium, France and the USSR. If you have aircraft dispersed around the airfield, they're not all gonna take of willy nilly from different directions some will have to taxi to get into a favourable position with regards to the wind. You didn't really think they all lined up on the ground during the battle of Britain waiting to take off when the luftwaffe were overflying the country every day do you?
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  2351. What gives you that idea? When aircraft were dispersed around the airfield they would taxi at taxiing speed to get into position for the take off run. You don't maneouvre an aircraft on the ground at anything more than 10-15 knots.
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  2352. There very much was an air component involved... without which the evacuation would have been FAR less successful.
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  2353. "boom & zoom".
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  2354. If you believe all this BS that "Ukraine & the west are knocking fuck out of the Russians" then remember folks !!!! It'll all be over by Christmas !!! (not)
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  2355. Give over. They made a contribution, for which they are remembered EVERY remembrance day. There was NEVER any danger of Britain being beaten, The nazis would NEVER have dared to dip a toe in the English Channel. The Royal Navy were licking their lips waiting for them to try.
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  2356. @Dal J Its sad that so many people are misinformed, Dai.....
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  2357. Josef František was the highest scoring foreign pilot with 17 kills. The overall highest scoring RAF fighter pilot during the battle of Britain was Eric Lock with 21 kills. 303 Squadron like ALL fighter units in active combat "overclaimed" its kills. Post WW2 when luftwaffe losses were collated with RAF claims, ALL squadron kill tallies were reduced to a "credited" tally, and 303 Squadron's actual credited tally was 58.5 kills, which pipped 603 Squadron's tally by one. No one is denying the valour & achievements of Polish pilots with their undoubted experience, expertise and skill, but overstating their performance serves to diminish the actions of other nations.
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  2358.  @mikemines2931  75% of Fighter Command was British born pilots. Read it and weep.
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  2359.  @Sharkoon030  It was WELL justified.... don't you try to cover over abuses of the neutrality of the ICRC. Thats the "International committee of the red cross" to you..
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  2360. No for two reasons. 1. The Germans commited the first active war crime by waging aggressive war from sept 1st 1939 onwards. 2. The Red Cross marked aircraft whilst rescuing downed airmen were also reporting on British shipping movements through the English channel / North sea in complete contravention of the International Committee of the Red Cross rules regarding the use of the red cross symbol.
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  2361.  @valeriedavidson2785  He's another BS troll. Best ignored.
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  2362. Could you please reel off the list of countries allied to Britain? Britain gave refuge to small numbers of refugees service personnel from the conquered European countries, but was COMPLETELY ALONE as the only democracy in Europe still opposing the nazis.
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  2363. Persia (Modern day Iraq / Iran) and the US were her main sources of oil. Whereas the nazis were supplied mainly by Romanian oil wells at Ploesti, topped up by the hugely inefficient use of synthetic oil production (effectively boiling huge amounts of coal under immense pressure to produce relatively small amounts of refined fuels). It must also be remembered that the US Standard Oil company provided prewar Germany with millions of dollars worth of oil supplies and technology to fuel the belligerent nazis.
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  2364. Why should the poles be mentioned specifically? Canadians, Australians, Czechs? 75% of Fighter Command pilots were of British Birth.
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  2365. We thank the 7 individual US pilots who flew during the battle of Britain, but as for the USA as a nation, it was business as usual, selling supplies to whoever came to collect them at inflated prices. They sold us their "Garden hose and water" as we in Britain fought the firestorm of nazism in Europe alone.
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  2366.  @peterkelly6232  "Democracy" Peter, is the increasingly thin veil over the totalitarianism of corporate globalism.
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  2367. The British government isn't the British government any more... its just a convenient disguise.
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  2368. Hi Dan, there are still some remnants of Chain Home left in the UK. Probably the best preserved are at Dunkirk in Kent UK (NOT on the French coast) which has both receiving masts still extant, you can still see them on google street view, also some of the ancilliary buildings still exist, but will probably never be restored, as in general you are absolutely correct, the spineless, self hating puppets that run the UK government on behalf of globalist organisations nowadays DETEST anything that highlights the achievements of the British through the last 400 years. They'll probably pull down the remaining CH masts in the next few years and put an "illegal immigrant legal advice drop in centre" in their place.
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  2369. It's known as a "metonym". Same as when the world refers to the "Russian Front" when it in fact occupied MANY more countriess than Russia itself. It's incorrect, granted, but common parlance.
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  2370. Britain spent those 20 years doing EVERYTHING it could to avoid a re-run of the murderous carnage of WW1. Meanwhile from 1933 onwards Germany worked at 120% to rearm and prepare for her next attempt at world domination. Wake up dimwit.
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  2371. Handful of nukes. Game over.
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  2372. Part of the CATP. Thank you for your father's service.
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  2373. Have we got to detail the trade networks of BOTH the combattants? If we're going to list Germany's trade network thats going to take us all night !!! Britain was the lone democracy in Europe opposing the Nazis, and was the sole country being attacked by both the Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine. I'm not aware of any long range He111s over Ottawa?
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  2374. There was NEVER any danger of Britain being beaten, The nazis would NEVER have dared to dip a toe in the English Channel. The Royal Navy were licking their lips waiting for them to try.
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  2375. Pomógł
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  2376. I feel slightly bad in pointing this out, but it must be done to enlighten the clueless "The Poles won the battle of Britain" revisionists. The Poles were not some breed of "superior" pilot, they'd simply accrued more combat experience since Sept 1939, and as a result of their previous battles with the luftwaffe only the most succesful Polish pilots had made it to Great Britain, the less successful ones had already perished. As soon as the rest of the RAF pilots had gained more experience there was NO difference in skill levels, as is witnessed by the kill tallies at the end of WW2. Luckily for the Poles they were provided with world class fighter aircraft with world beating radar and defensive control systems courtesy of the RAF and the British taxpayer, rather than flying to their deaths in the likes of the PZL P.7. Though we Brits are nevertheless still appreciative of their contribution to our victory against the overconfident Luftwaffe, it must still be remembered that while Poles represented 7% of Fighter Command pilots, 75% of Fighter command pilots in the battle were of British birth. Also please remember that contrary to uninformed, Brit-hating opinion, that ALL Polish service personnel who served in the British armed forces during WW2 (and their families) were given residency and citizenship rights in the UK, as witnessed by the 1947 Polish Resettlement Act.
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  2377.  @292Nigel  I agree with a lot of what you say.... apart from siding with the nazis.
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  2378.  @292Nigel  Where was the dominant communist superpower takeover of western Europe? Western Europe became the "first line of defence" of the USA post WW2, but the fall of communism simply accelerated the spread of corporate globalism rooted originally in the US, but now centred around an axis of US & Swiss based organisations. You instead would have preferred to "team up with the Germans".... leading to death camps in the highlands of Scotland, Einsatzgruppen roaming the shires of Britain, and with all able bodied males sent to Germany to be enslaved to the German war machine? Sounds just peachy.
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  2379. But strangely at the end of the war we ended with neither of those but a peaceful balance of terror.
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  2380. I thought I'd create a simple "visual aid" in order to assist people learning about the history of the battle of Britain. There is much ongoing debate about the nationalities and proportions of RAF fighter pilots who took part in the battle, with occasionally a furtive aspect which attempts to portray the battle as a victory of "mostly Foreign pilots". Below is an accurate graphical representation of the proportion of pilot nationalities serving within RAF Fighter Command during the summer of 1940. Each flag is roughly equivalent to 30 pilots, The numbers after each nation are the actual number of pilots from that country, and the approximate percentage of RAF Fighter Command's establishment in the summer of 1940 that they represented. 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 UK (2342) (80%) 🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱 Poland (145) (5%) 🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿 New Zealand (127) (4%) 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦 Canada (112) (4%) (1940 flag emoji not available) 🇨🇿🇨🇿🇨🇿 Czechoslovakia (88) (3%) 🇦🇺 Australia (32) (1%) 🇧🇪 Belgium (28) (1%) 🇿🇦 S. Africa (25) (1%) (1940 flag emoji not available) 🇺🇳 Other nations (France (13), R o Ireland (10), USA (9), Rhodesia (3), Newfoundland (1), Jamaica (1), Barbados (1)) (1%) (And just to preempt any wandering idiot lefty "Identity warriors" from protesting about "The lack of credit given to the black pilots who fought in the battle of Britain"... the pilots from Rhodesia & the Caribbean were all of white British descent).
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  2381. Yes all 7 Americans from a nation of +200 million. We thank them as individuals. Remember +75% of Fighter Command pilots were of British Birth.
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  2382.  @gavinboot4810  So because you've never done anything worthwhile in your life or been witness to world chaging events means that you begrudge those that have from talking about them?
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  2383. Tell us something laudable you've done in your own life Gavin?
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  2384. Details please?
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  2385. How did the Soviets, buying time off the nazis by supplying them with MILLIONS of tons of fuel & raw materials to power the nazis campaign in the west "help Britain" Exactly? To even POSE the question of this video title labels the content creator as a devious half wit. Don't you also make the same mistake.
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  2386.  @thevillaaston7811  You're not saying he's yet ANOTHER clueless, gobby yank who thinks they won it alone? Those type of halfwits are "a dime a dozen" !!!
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  2387. What help Pre Dec 1941 did the Soviet Union receive from the US? Can you provide some details?
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  2388. What utter nonsense !!! How did the Soviets, buying time off the nazis by supplying them with MILLIONS of tons of fuel & raw materials to power the nazis campaign in the west "help Britain" Exactly? To even POSE the question of this video title labels the content creator as a devious half wit.
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  2389.  @indianastan  The Feb 1945 Yalta conference was where Stalin & the USSR signed up to the accord that had been hammered out with USA and UK that stated a "Polish provisional government of national unity" would be formed. A "Unity" government by the way of including BOTH the communist "Lublin committee" AND the London based Polish Nationalist Govt in exile then based in London, and it was "provisional" in that the new unified government was to then oversee the staging of democratic free elections. It was at the August 1945 Potsdam conference, that when the USA and UK pressed Stalin as to when the unity government was to be formed and elections take place that STALIN reneged on his earlier decision and flatly refused to allow the nationalist exile govt to enter Poland OR for democratic elections to take place. Given that situation I'd be interested as to how any of the YT commenters who cry "betrayal" would go about removing the 12.4 million strong red army then ensconced in Poland and Eastern Europe? Please do feel free to tell me your game plan to remove the red army back to its pre 1939 borders.....
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  2390. Go on please explain.... we're waiting for your razor sharp insight into post war European politics !!!
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  2391. If you say so, ridiculous lefty stooge.
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  2392. France Maybe, She'd had diplomatic, economic and military treties with Poland since 1920. Britain;s first treaty with Poland was signed in August 1939, 2 weeks before the nazis invaded. Britain by FAR being a naval power IMMEDIATELY instigated the north sea blockade of German sea trade from and began the mobilisation of her relatively small army and began its transfer to the continent from Sept 3rd 1939. Meanwhile France, primarily a land power, whose army comprised 93% of the land forces arrayed against the nazis in the west, did almost completely NOTHING.
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  2393. Your medical prescription needs reviewing.
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  2394.  @youtrickube1475  No I trolled YOU.
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  2395. I prefer the "wings of victory". GLORIOUS !!!!
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  2396. Maybe if Germany had not marched into multiple European countries one after another, (and dropped HE over their citizens in EVERY case) they would not have had to put up with being killed in their thousands by vengeful allies.
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  2397. "The British like to drum on about how their ranks were all volunteers" Where do you get such nonsense from? Britain had a small peacetime army and the VAST majority of its armed forces during the war were conscripts.
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  2398.  @vespa2901  I'm fully aware what the history was, a belligerent Germany twice decided to start the conquest of its neighbours and it was opposed and crushed, and has not attempted it since. P.S Your other comment on the destruction of the Indian civilisation has been "ghosted by youtube". Yes the "Americans" came to America..... From Britain, from France, from Spain, from the Netherlands, from Germany, from Russia, Do you think the "first nation Americans" as they now prefer to be called were wiped out solely by the British?
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  2399.  @vespa2901  I do indeed know how human history works.... back from the beginings of civilisation, with death, subjugation and enslavement happening from the dawn of recorded history, but we're discussing the second world war here.
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  2400. Germans tried it on everyone else first... we showed them how to do it properly. Don;t try to play for sympathy, few people care.
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  2401. Old BBC comedy drama called "Private Schulz" covered this story and was EXCELLENT. Worth picking up a dvd copy from amazon or a certain "online auction website".
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  2402. One day you'll grow up and realise what BS you're talking.
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  2403.  @RPe-jk6dv  I'll accept that. Its sometimes difficult to differentiate sarcasm for the usual brit hating nonsense that regularly happens in YT comments.
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  2404. You don't understand basic economics, do you?
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  2405. The lady was Dame Fanny Lucy Houston, Lady Houston. She made a surprise £100,000 donation (worth in the region of £12m today) after government funding for Supermarine's entries into the Schneider trophy was withdrawn by the labour government of Ramsey Macdonald in 1931. She had already been made a Dame Commander of the Order of the British Empire for her patriotic services to Britain's armed forces during the first world war.
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  2406. Easier said than done !!!
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  2407. As it was the USAAF was at the same time fielding the P-40 which was completely unable to survive in the European air war and was relegated to the fight against Italian aircraft in North Africa. Loudmouthed yanks are full of their own BS.
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  2408. Complete BS also from OP. 1700 luftwaffe aircraft lost during the BoB seem to prove otherwise.
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  2409. Stupid nazis painting crosshairs all over theirs as well !!!
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  2410. Wehraboo much? "The Luftwaffe could have gained local and temporary air superiority over their invasion fleet" You mean like they did at Dunkirk when Goering threw the luftwaffe at an assemblage of paddle boats and pleasure steamers and failed to stop them from evacuating 338,000 men of a beach? How "temporarily" would this air superiority have been? Enough to get some of the first wave ashore, and then what? Would the assault forces then live on grass and throw turnips at the defending British?
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  2411. yeah, right. Yank by any chance?
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  2412. They bluffed, and did mortal damage to their own much vaunted luftwaffe in doing so.
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  2413. He was harshly treated but hardly "destroyed". He was 58 at the time of the battle of Britain and was on the cusp of retirement. He was asked to stay in his post at the start of the war, and retired in July 1942. In spite of being very shoddily treated by his contemporaries, he had been honoured multiple times, and was buried in Westminster Abbey on his death.
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  2414. Sonia, it's clear to see that the spirit of your ancestors still burns brightly within you. You do them great service & make them proud. I know you've ensured your own spirit will live on. Vitæ Lampada !!!
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  2415. As well as the lack of Spitfires, the even greater cause of the RAF's problems in France was that they were operating from basic, poorly supported forward airfields, and most importantly, they were operating without the coverage of the "Chain Home" radar system, and its associated command and control air defence network.
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  2416. Having "parachuted these thousands of troops" (Germany at the time possessed 4500 paratroopers and insufficient aircraft to carry them all at once) into Britain, how were they then going to supply them against the 32½ divisions that the British army was fielding in the UK in autumn 1940? Careful you don't mess your pants while you're having your wargasm.
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  2417. Strangely enough the population of German cities were not laughing at the "joke" later in the war.
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  2418. Sharia law, or rule by nazis.... hmmm that's a tough one. Stoned to death, or worked to collapse with a final spell in the gas chamber.... I'll have to think about that.
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  2419. Absolutely correct, but nowadays the "elites" prefer not to destroy societal infrastructure whilst culling the masses and so have now reverted to the release of viral agents, and questionable "vaccines".
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  2420. Because if you don't then YOU become a murderous despot along with them.
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  2421. Nothing to do with his nationality. Simply his uncomprimising refusal to suffer fools, and those who THOUGHT they knew better than him, both within the RAF AND the UK government. Simply down to his lack of political insight and what would nowadays be termed as lack of man-management or social skills.
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  2422. Not really an accurate description of events, but if it keeps you happy.....
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  2423. More Canadian than American. Just 9 gallant individuals from the US made the journey of their own initiative to oppose tyranny as the US preferred to stick to her neutrality and profiteer from bleeding the British empire to death as she fought on alone against the evils of nazism. We still honour those 9 US individuals, Including Billy Fiske, the only American pilot to be killed during the battle.
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  2424. After the battle of Britain, the British Air Ministry asked ACM Dowding to write an authorised history of the battle of Britain. He duly did so and provided it to the air council. Such was the internal emnity of the RAF "top brass" towards him, that his account was rejected and the Air ministry commisioned another account, in which ACM Dowding's name was not mentioned even ONCE. On reading the finished Document, Churchill, who was actually a tacit supporter of Hugh Dowding, returned it to the minister for air, Archibald Sinclair annotated with the following comment : “The jealousies and cliquism which have led to the committing of this offence are a discredit to the Air Ministry, and I do not think any other Service Department would have been guilty of such a piece of work. What would have been said if … the Admiralty had told the tale of Trafalgar and left Lord Nelson out of it?” But Churchill was aware of the range of powerful figures within the RAF & govt that were arrayed against ACM Dowding, and also that he was overdue for retirement, and so acquiesced to his dismissal and subsequent posting to the US.
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  2425. Defence of the British isles in 1940 was carried out by +95% British citizens. Don't try to falsely portray it otherwise.
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  2426.  @simonsze5324  I'm sorry to tell you Simon that "633 Squadron" was a fictitious RAF squadron created for the film of the same name. Though yes I seem to remember an Indian pilot in the film, the first Indian (Sikh) pilot I can find a record of in the UK was Mohinder Singh Pujji who together with 18 other Indians volunteered for RAF service in late 1940 and received his "wings" and undertook active service from April 1941. He was later awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross in 1945 for his skill and daring whilst undertaking reconnaisance missions over Burma, there is also a memorial statue erected in his honour at Gravesend, England. Our deepest respects still go out to him and his fellow Indian volunteers.
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  2427. Sorry but there were NO Indian pilots in Fighter Command during 1940. There were several RAF Squadrons on the Indian subcontinent which contained many Indian pilots at the time. This number increased in 1942 with the expansion of the Indian Air Force. We still pay tribute to their contribution. Respects.
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  2428.  @stevebird7265  I'm with you to a degree.... I do wonder if the lefty einsatzgruppen are preparing themselves.
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  2429. To stop einsatzgruppen exercising their power in Barnsley?
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  2430. Don't let your hatred for Britain highlight your ignorance.... ALL contemporary air forces did the same as viewing images of any busy interwar airfield will show..... all part of the "regimented" mindset of armed forces worldwide at that time.
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  2431.  @leddielive  I'd describe the situation as one where his foresight, resolve and dedication were rewarded by the crown, but those same qualities simultaneously made some of his peers and the politicos of the world he had to work in bitterly jealous and irritated especially as he appears to have been a social outsider who stood his ground and was proved right by the history of the events, and as so often the "outsider" remains outside when the "mainstream" closes ranks. As an example I can see a lot of the merits of Churchill... but one of his many down sides for me was his nasty erasing of Dowding from his major postwar work "The second world war" where Dowding inspite of being THE major commander during the Battle is NOT mentioned by name once, purely because he stood upto Churchill during the fall of France, and prevented Fighter Command from being bled to death by Churchill, which history shows would NOT have saved France but was a MAJOR factor in the RAF's victory in summer 1940. All the best.
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  2432. Not a bad attempt considering English doesn't appear to be yout first language.
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  2433. Alas free thinking and critically minded people who assert their independent thought are usually rooted out of organisations or overlooked for promotion. The usual "yes men" being the ones who usually make it to the top. Such as the WEF funded globalist puppets now ensconced in all western governments.
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  2434. Politicians as they always have been are in most part obsequious, self serving rubbish. Churchill for all his good points happily threw Dowding and Park "under the bus". In much the same way as he did to Arthur Harris, when the British government had ordered the "dehousing plan" against Germany's cities onto RAF Bomber Command BEFORE Harris was its commander, and then when there was widespread concern over the scale of its resulting devastation Churchill and the other politico worms then held Harris up as the author of the whole idea !!!
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  2435. It's fantastic that Arnold Wilkins is at last receiving some of his rightful credit for HIS groundbreaking work in the British prewar radio location efforts. The last time I saw him mentioned was in the BBC 1970s "The Secret war" TV series.
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  2436.  @colbeausabre8842  Read what I say above.... I don't have his beliefs, so no, I don't believe in ghosts, but "not believing" is NOT the same as "proving" they don't exist, its acknowledging that humans are a LONG way from knowing everything. The concept is summed up in a nutshell by the phrase "open minded".
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  2437. He was also an anti-vivisectionist and vegetarian, it doesn't make you a bad person. A more philosophical view of his beliefs might be agnosticism.... I.E the recognition that while I don't share the same beliefs, I'm intelligent enough to know that there is a vast amount about existence that humans have no idea about.
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  2438. Just to see it all thrown away by the corporate globalist stooges who've now been installed in ALL governments across the west.
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  2439. For example Josef Frantisek (17 kills) and James "Ginger" Lacey (18 kills), BOTH Sgt pilots.
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  2440. Unfortunately brilliance and popularity do not always come together. And politics and society being shallow as they usually are tend to reward the popular.
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  2441. Leigh-Mallory earned his own set of "wings" in Novemeber 1944. Unfortunately the crew of the transport aircraft he was flying in also perished after he browbeat them into flying against their better judgement.
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  2442. Andrew, you know that is absolute rubbish !!! All Polish ex-servicemen (and women) were given the option to reside in the UK post WW2. Lots (though not all) took up that option, hence why the Polish nation has been so well represented at Rememberance day parades up and down the UK for the last 80 years, and their right to UK residence was sealed in the Polish Resettlement Act 1947.
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  2443.  @dougsmith9687  He's still is a "pom".... Scotland is a part of Britain. I didn't know "pom" was part of Scottish vernacular? Your ancestors didn't "take a long boat trip" to Oz a couple of centuries back, did they?😄
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  2444. You're gonna love him even more when you find out that he was a SCOT... born in Moffat in Dumfriesshire in 1882.
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  2445. "naked ambition of mediocrities" Its how we've ended up with the political puppet leaders we now have, although "mediocrities" may be overstating their abilities somewhat.
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  2446. Think what the nice globalist revisionists tell you to think, little mind.
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  2447. Luckily for the nazis they were being supplied with almost all their fuel by the Romanians and the Soviet Union. Americans are so eager to claim responsibility for the British victory in the Battle of Britain. Its embarrasing really.
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  2448. Utter rubbish. What an idiot !!! Poland invited the nazis into their country did they? As for the nonsense you've typed about CZECHOSLOVAKIA it doesn't even merit a response.
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  2449. German offensive power was far in excess of British defensive power. RAF Bomber Command were of NO use in repulsing massed luftwaffe attacks.
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  2450. Greedy, and jealously ambitious people do NOT like quiet, self-contained people of high ability. It is the same in ANY walk of life.
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  2451. The nation commemorates Hugh Dowding for his foresightedness and single minded resolve to organise the effective air defence of this country absolutely in the nick of time. He was responsible for the air defence of Britain, not France. RAF fighter command was NOT responsible for the fall of France, and a handful of RAF fighter squadrons were not going to remedy the crock of hot mess that the French high command had presided over through may/june 1940, but they WERE going to make all the difference to the survival of Great Britain, also you're obviously not aware that the BEF in France in 1940 constituted 7% of the land forces arrayed against the nazis in western Europe, the cause of the fall of France lays squarely at the doorstep of successive post WW1 French governments and the French military. Also what makes you think that the United Kingdon is the world policeman? We relinquised that position when we relinquished the empire. The sooner you learn that modern government policy is a matter that is now controlled by supranational organisations such as the ECB, the world bank, the UN and increasingly the WHO, the sooner you'll understand that "democracy" as we knew it in the west has now been sold to the highest corporate bidder.
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  2452.  @johnkelly3886  Would you believe it, I was in the RAF.... for just 11 months in the 1980s before I "bought myself out". Always been fascinated with it since early childhood, but my naive images of spitfires, silk scarves and a beer down the boozer after knocking "Johnny Hun for six" was irreparably damaged by my experience of service life BS (do you remember the 1970s comedy "Get some in"?). So I joined the Fire Brigade and did my time there. I strangely still love the RAF though. All the best John.
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  2453. The Royal Auxiliary air force (RAuxAF) was the cause of the original perception of "fly boys" being hand picked from the "social elites". It was created during the inception of the original RAF in 1918. It consisted almost exclusively of men who either already held private pilots licences or were prepared to personally pay for their pilot training (therefore mostly from "monied" families), and were originally formed into inter war "Auxiliary squadrons" which took on the atmosphere of "gentleman's clubs". The epitome of the auxiliaries would undoubtedly be 601 squadron who enjoyed being the self proclaimed "millionaires Squadron". When the war started the 20 or so squadrons of the Auxiliaries were progressively attrited only to have their establishment increasingly replaced by pilots who had come through the RAFVR (established in 1936) which was the scheme where the RAF itself paid for the training of men of sufficient aptitude who, in the main, were of "socially lower classes" unable to afford the costs of flight training themselves. As the war got into its stride even the RAFVR was unable to provide sufficient numbers of trained pilots by itself, and was in 1939/40 supplemented by the "Empire/Commonwealth Air Training Plan", which drew in aircrew from across the British empire.
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  2454.  @peace-now  Clueless idiot... "the main men were not English". >80% of Fighter Command Pilots were British born. Don't forget it kid.
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  2455. Churchill was a supporter of Dowding. It was Dowding's colleagues that "done for him".
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  2456. Yes after the battle of Britain, the British Air Ministry asked ACM Dowding to write an authorised history of the battle of Britain. He duly did so and provided it to the air council. Such was the internal emnity within the RAF "top brass" towards him, that his account was rejected and the Air ministry commisioned their own account, in which ACM Dowding's name was not mentioned even ONCE. On reading the finished Document, Churchill, who was a tacit supporter of Hugh Dowding, returned it to the minister for air, Archibald Sinclair annotated with the following comment : “The jealousies and cliquism which have led to the committing of this offence are a discredit to the Air Ministry, and I do not think any other Service Department would have been guilty of such a piece of work. What would have been said if … the Admiralty had told the tale of Trafalgar and left Lord Nelson out of it?” But Churchill was also aware of the range of powerful figures within the RAF & govt that were arrayed against ACM Dowding, and also that he was overdue for retirement, and so acquiesced to his dismissal and subsequent posting to the US. But to say he "was not recognised" is taking it a bit too far. After the battle of Britain Hugh Dowding was elevated to the English peerage with the title "Baron Dowding of Bentley Priory" on 2 June 1943, the first airman to be raised to the peerage since Lord Trenchard in 1930. He also had various orders of nobility bestowed on him... these included being inducted to the Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the Bath Knight Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order Companion of the Order of St Michael and St George And after his death his cremated remains were buried below the "Battle of Britain Memorial Window" in Westminster Abbey.
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  2457.  @Charlimarteli  The OP states that Molly was her mother-in-law. That's not to say that there were no people of Latino descent living in GB at that time.
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  2458. Don't worry too much, he did receive accolades in his lifetime, inspite of the way he was treated post Battle of Britain. He was raised to a number of Royal Orders, including the Order of the Bath, the Royal Victorian Order and the Order of St Michael and St George.
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  2459. I'm British and I know of NO-ONE who thinks other people are terrorists for defending their own country, and more and more of us realise that globalists enjoy starting proxy wars to destabilise the world, and make profits from other people's misery... much like the plandemic.
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  2460. Get an adblocker
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  2461. Not forgetting the "cause celebre" of identity warriors all over the world, Alan Turing.
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  2462. While the RAF's victory in the battle was a marvellous achievement, it wasn't exactly the "saving Britain" event that it's usually painted as... such a narrative completely forgets the fact that the world's then most powerful navy was protecting our shores against the Germans insignificant naval forces.
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  2463. And the relation to the Battle of Britain?
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  2464. If the USA were not so intent on fighting proxy wars, they could easily have joined in to crush the evils of nazism instead of bleeding their proxy to death while they fought off evil alone, the result of their inaction has been that the US has been inwardly ashamed of itself ever since, you have only to read YT comments to see the ranks of yanks trying to make out that they took an active part in the fighting. Face it your country did f*ck all until the nazis stupidly declared war on you. At the same time the US was profiteering from the war in Europe, the forces of evil were conspiring to gain world domination, with the Soviets supplying the other side of the european proxy war with millions of tons of raw materials, fuel and food. Germany also depended on imports from Finland, Sweden, Romania, and the raped economies of her European conquests, in fact as you know ALL developed countries, even America, depend on international trade, so all your isolated representation of Britain's supply network does is point to your true agenda.
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  2465. Oh do shut up with your US centric nonsense !!!! May be in this video you suggest it will detail how US corporations carried out HIGHLY profitable business with BOTH sides during the WHOLE of WW2. Britain saved ITSELF, INSPITE of the US as much as it did BECAUSE of the US !!!
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  2466. You'll be heartened to learn that Mallory received his own pair of "big wings" in 1944 in the French Alps.
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  2467. Now a kiwi by any chance are you?
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  2468. I thought I'd create a "visual aid" in order to assist people learning about the history of the battle of Britain. There is much ongoing debate about the nationalities and proportions of RAF fighter pilots who took part in the battle. Below is an accurate graphical representation of the proportion of pilot nationalities serving within RAF Fighter Command during the summer of 1940. Each flag is roughly equivalent to 30 pilots. 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧UK 🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱 Poland 🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿 New Zealand 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦 Canada 🇨🇿🇨🇿🇨🇿 Czechoslovakia 🇦🇺 Australia 🇧🇪 Belgium 🇿🇦 S. Africa (1940 flag emoji not available) 🇺🇳 Other nations (France, R o Ireland, USA, Rhodesia, Newfoundland, Jamaica, Barbados)
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  2469. My word you cut a fine figure as the numero uno keyboard warrior, little one.... now be off with you, mummy says tea will be ready in 5 minutes.
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  2470. The Germans actually captured multiple mobile British army radar sets after the British withdrawal from Dunkirk, and were fully aware of the 350ft aerials dotted around the British coast, what they were unaware of was the whole system of data collection, filtration and dissemination that backed up the radar system itself.
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  2471. You remain... unknown for good reason.
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  2472. Why do you imagine its just Britain and not human society at large?
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  2473. That generation fought totalitarianism so that people like "stuffy" were free to believe whatever they chose to believe. I don't subscribe to spiritualism myself, but I'm wise enough to understand that we do NOT know everything... far from it.
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  2474. Dear oh dear.... read more history. Dowding had retired from the RAF at the time of the heroic RAF flattening of the German communications and transportation hub of Dresden.
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  2475. Oops misread your post above. No, according to my logic, if the murder of Belgian civilians had taken place at the hands of the Congolese, it would have been understandable if not justifiable. So your post above is a false proposition. That is unless you're suggesting that the bayonetting of Belgian babies by the German was done in solidarity with the congolese?
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  2476.  @ralphbernhard1757  That is as may be Ralph, but at least you've agreed that British propaganda was correct when it stated that German's were "bayonetting babies" in the early days of WW1. That's good of you.
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  2477.  @ralphbernhard1757  German atrocities in Belgium through 1914 are well documented. Or is that another aspect of history you'd prefer other people to forget about?
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  2478. Its a pity that the supposed "moral majority" of the German population didn't rise up and overthrow the nazis when they were busy murdering civilians in other countries, y'know as was suggested by the paper leaflets that Britain showered German cities with for the first 12 months of the war. It seems they were happy to acquiesce with evil when it was racking up innocent civilian deaths in foreign countries. They learned to regret that placid acceptance of evil soon enough.
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  2479. You're not entirely right there. Prewar RAF "Auxiliary" squadrons (the RAuxAF, mainly the 600 numbered fighter squadrons) were the preserve of the monied "upper crust", who viewed themselves as "gentleman's clubs", they were (and still are) portrayed as the quintisential RAF fighter pilots both prewar and during early WW2, but even prewar the RAF had recognised that there were simply not enough "rich people" prepared to pay for their own flight training (which is what a majority of the "auxiliary" pilots had done), and so created the RAF volunteer reserve (RAFVR), which took no account of social standing but was based on, as you say, aptitude alone, there were many working/middle class men who came through the VR system of pilot training as it was paid for by the RAF and not the individual, and the ranks of the "silk scarf brigade" were very quickly diluted by the new breed of VR pilots as the attrition rate during the early war years saw the number of those "elitist" pilots quickly whittled down. Pilot numbers were further boosted by the "British Empire/Commonwealth air training plan" which came online at the start of WW2 and which saw entrants from across the British empire being trained for all fields of piloting within the RAF, and rest assured the majority of those pilots were from anything but "well to do" backgrounds.
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  2480.  @RasMajnouni  Utter nonsense..... being bunred to death in an aircraft ripped apart by night fighters or AA fire "isn't fighting a war"? Good god... pity you weren't there to try it. Bomber command had one of the highest death rates in the allied armed forces.
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  2481.  @michaelengel3407  And oh how jealous the nazis were that they hadn't managed to do the same to us.
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  2482. T'was disgraceful.
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  2483. Go watch a doc about B17s (there's no shortage of them) and stop butting in on this one.
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  2484. Hmmmm frying nazis....smells like VICTORY Ralph !!!
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  2485. I dunno what the problem is there? The taliban are just everyday loving and caring religious people, y'know the sort of islamic nice guys you'd love living next door to you (they probably will be soon with the globalist quisling government we now have inviting them all over for free board and lodgings).
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  2486.  @RasMajnouni  Bomber Command had the HIGHEST mortality rate in the allied armed forces. You had a MUCH higher chance of "getting home to mummy" on the ground than you did in a bomber.
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  2487. It wasn't.
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  2488. Bless 'em both James.
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  2489.  @michaelengel3407  Well concluded, Michael.
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  2490.  @theccpisaparasite8813  Woulda, coulda, shoulda, but DIDN'T !!!
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  2491. ​ @michaelengel3407  It may not be the reason, but it should be borne in mind in order to give some context when people are criticising allied area bombing. Otherwise the less well informed who may read these comments will believe that the allies just decided to initiate the random murdering of civilians when that VERY much wasn't the case.
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  2492.  @michaelengel3407  No Michael, the debt was paid by civilians of ALL nations involved. is there something special about German civilians that makes them more "cherished" than other nation's civilians? Just think of the MILLIONS of Soviet civilians murdered face to face by the Germans.
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  2493. That's war for you. As Robert E. Lee said "It is well that war is so terrible, otherwise we should grow too fond of it"
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  2494.  @michaelengel3407  well the nazis were elected democratically in 1933.
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  2495. No military value, apart from being the main transportation centre supplying the rapidly approaching central Eastern front.
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  2496.  @michaelengel3407  Michael, did the civilians of Poland/Denmark/Norway/Netherlands/Belgium/France/Britain/Yugoslavia/Libya/Egypt & the Soviet Union "Sow the wind"? The answer is NO they didn't , but they paid the price in FAR larger numbers than the German civil population did, the same German population that voted the nazis into power and rejoiced as they spread death and destruction over all the the other peoples of Europe, so in that sense, YES the people of Germany DID sow the wind. In one of your comments on another video, you eventually accepted that ALL civilian murders are evil, but you only ever comment about allied bombing of German cities without ever making a balanced comment regarding German war crimes which are of a WHOLLY different order of severity. You simply give the impression of being one sided rather than saying "ALL civilian deaths committed by ALL sides were war crimes".
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  2497.  @ralphbernhard1757  Ah..... just as I predicted, a hand grenade dropped out of a biplane cockpit over the desert, is that what constitutes civilian terror bombing in your jumbled up mind Ralph? As opposed to dozens of artillery shells dropped from a zeppelin over a densely populated city. Your nonsense knows NO boundaries does it?
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  2498.  @ralphbernhard1757  Can you give me a time and place for that italian "first bombing? One that can be verified? and one that wasn't a case of a pilot throwing an apple out of a biplane cockpit over a large city?
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  2499. More moronic parrots, ignorant of the creation of civilian terror bombing by the GERMANS from the ealiest days of powered flight. Liege (1914).... London (1915-17)..... Guernica (1937)..... Barcelona (1938)..... Weilun/Lublin/Warsaw (1939)..... Rotterdam (1940)...... London(again) (1940-45)..... 50 other British cities (1940-45). Reap the whirlwind kiddies.
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  2500. What?
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  2501. "absolute power is seized by lunatics" such as is happening right now.
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  2502.  @ultrajd  I know you won't have stumbled on my posting on another video, but I have previously posted the %age nationalities of pilots within Fighter Command during the battle of Britain.... I'll go dig it out. 1 minute...... The percentages of nationalities represented amongst the 1822 RAF fighter pilots who served during the Battle of Britain. British 73.47% Polish 7.68% Canadian 4.80% Czechoslovak 4.70% New Zealand 4.00% Belgian 1.38% Australian 1.15% South African 1.15% Free French 0.67% Rhodesian 0.10% Irish 0.43% USA 0.32% Barbados 0.05% Jamaica 0.05% Palestinian 0.05% We British continue to appreciate the contribution of the pilots listed above, I know first hand, I see the wreaths and tributes made EVERY rememberance day parade that I attend. The problem is that there is SO MUCH programmed British hatred and loathing generated by the lefty globalists these days that waves of messages do everything they can to minimise and diminish the efforts of Great Britain, so I do my little bit to "push back". I'm not in denial of the contributions made by other countries, but I won't see the majority British contribution devalued or discarded. All the best.
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  2503.  @ultrajd  The "victory" I was referring to was the British victory in the battle of Britain, Y'know the subject of this video and your initial reply.... although I can see why your mix up occured, so I've amended my earlier post to remove the confusion, but my first reply still stands.
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  2504. And without the British isles & its people, British engineering, British technology and RAF Fighter command whose ground crews & pilots were overwhelmingly of British birth, on whose shoulders the commonwealth and refugee service personnel all stood, there would have been NO "springboard" for the eventual overthrow of nazism in Europe. Luckily, we need no thanks, but we rest easily KNOWING the victory in the battle of Britain rested on OUR shoulders. You're all welcome to your freedoms which we British protected when all others thought they were lost.
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  2505. Why? Didn't they cause enough death and destruction for your liking?
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  2506. And thank you for your service too.
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  2507. Difficult when you're forced into it, as in "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".
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  2508. The US documentary maker Michael Moore once set up a US military recruitment stand up outside Capitol Hill. He managed to buttonhole a few but the rest scarpered as word got around.
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  2509. Why do modern documentaries have these utterly CRINGEworthy "game" aspects to explain simple concepts & events? It immediately marks a program down as "low intelligence".
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  2510. Buďte si jisti, že kdyby nebylo Velké Británie, pak by Praha dodnes měla nad hlavou vlajku se svastikou. Ukažte trochu respektu.
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  2511. Maybe that was witty in your mind.... pity it didn't stay there.
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  2512. Oh do shut up.
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  2513. Tornado GR4. Top speed of 1,482 km/h or 921 mph or 800 kn indicated air speed near sea level
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  2514. I thought I'd create a simple "visual aid" in order to assist people learning about the history of the battle of Britain. There is much ongoing debate about the nationalities and proportions of RAF fighter pilots who took part in the battle, with a furtive aspect which attempts to portray the battle as a victory of "mostly Foreign pilots". Below is an accurate graphical representation of the proportion of pilot nationalities serving within RAF Fighter Command during the summer of 1940. Each flag is roughly equivalent to 30 pilots. 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 UK (2342) (80%) 🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱 Poland (145) (5%) 🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿 New Zealand (127) (4%) 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦 Canada (112) (4%) 🇨🇿🇨🇿🇨🇿 Czechoslovakia (88) (3%) 🇦🇺 Australia (32) (1%) 🇧🇪 Belgium (28) (1%) 🇿🇦 S. Africa (25) (1%) (1940 flag emoji not available) 🇺🇳 Other nations (France (13), R o Ireland (10), USA (9), Rhodesia (3), Newfoundland (1), Jamaica (1), Barbados (1)) (1%) (And just to preempt any wandering idiot lefty "Identity warriors" from protesting about "The lack of credit given to the black pilots who fought in the battle of Britain"... the two pilots from the Caribbean were both of white British descent).
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  2515. Strange? I've never head of the "Battle of England" before.....
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  2516.  @jefffletcher8209  Sincere respects to the memory of your Great Uncle, Jeff. All the best.
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  2517. Never knew about Leigh-Mallory and spiritualism... the back-stabber met the spirits first hand when his transport aircraft crashed in the Alps in 1944..... after he overruled the aircrew's advice not to fly during predicted stormy weather, unfortuantely the aircrew were also killed.
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  2518. Have you got dates for these occurences?
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  2519. Hardly. I'm sure you meant "your favourite fighter of all time". Subtlely different.
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  2520. And if I'm not mistaken that young man in his early twenties was a squadron leader in charge of the lives of around 15-20 other pilots, I look at twenty somethings nowadays and it seems as if the majority have trouble looking after themselves. Respect to that young man's memory.
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  2521. Nonsense. The RAF at NO point during the battle had 900 Spitifires. AIR 40/1207 - Air Ministry: Periodical Returns, Intelligence Summaries and Bulletins. Dated 10th July 1940 (officially the first day of the battle of Britain). Total fighter command returns 645 aircraft to include all Spitfire / Hurricane / Blenheim / Defiants. That is 645 serviceable fighter aircraft to DEFEND the whole of Britain, NOT the 938 Spitfires you try to suggest. By the end of the battle Fighter Command was indeed stronger that it had started the battle, but 900+ spitfires are the original establishment whos number was reduced by damaged/destroyed aircraft which were then REPLACED. For example if you start with 200 Spitfires, and 80 of them are "written off" and you replace them with 80 more, you do NOT have 280 airworthy Spitfires.
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  2522. It wasn't the end, or even the beginning of the end, but it was perhaps a big step along the road towards the end of the beginning.
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  2523. No, the allies had already crumbled, ONLY the RAF stood against the Luftwaffe.
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  2524. No, the US was only too happy to make MASSIVE profits as she watched the British empire physically and finanacially bleed to death, and the commonwealth contributed to the victory.
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  2525. Stiff upper lip old chap, thats the way !!!
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  2526. 3000? You mean 1822.
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  2527. Are there any Polish pilots from the battle of Britain still alive? That'll be why there's no mention of them then.
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  2528. I'm sure they would also wonder why the UK cannot manage to prevent the countless thousands of illegal immigrants being ushered into Britain by globalists? Is it because "our" government no longer acts in the best interests of the UK, but instead does as its corporate globalist financiers tell it to act?
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  2529.  tecdessus  Don't feed the moronic trolls.
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  2530.  @dharmatmaram  In much the same way as the Polish pilots contributed Dharma, they supported, but didn't constitute the vast majority. If Britain currently depended on its "Polish" lorry drivers alone, we would all be eating grass.
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  2531.  @dharmatmaram  80.....eighty......eight - zero Percent of RAF Fighter Command pilots were of British birth, that in any language is a LARGE majority.
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  2532. They were in a small majoirty. <20%.
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  2533. More and more are at last being rudely shaken awake by the constant BS of corporate globalism, Question is, is it too late? Keep spreading the sentiment.
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  2534. Look at Britain? From where I'm standing, it looks no worse than most other countries of the world. Fecking globalist destroying national identities is the ongoing problem.
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  2535. Well said Keith.... From a disgusted Brit.
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  2536. So many engineering skills have evapourated over the decades, part of our continuing replacement by machines. Thanks for your skills used to power the economy of our once great country.... now being dismantled by globalist tyranny.
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  2537. With British officers and a lone Czechslovakian ace to provide 30% of the squadron kills.
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  2538. 303 Sqd scored 58.5 confirmed kills, 17 of which were, as you say, by the Czechoslovakian ace Josef František.
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  2539. It will be amalgamated into the "Globalist one world air force."
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  2540.  @fplasil  I have every sympathy for the historical plight of Poland. She was destroyed by the nazis, ruthlessly oppressed for decades by the Soviets, and with little barring WW3 that could be done by the west to return her to democracy. Subsequently Britain, as a "blood debt" to Poland, quickly passed the 1947 Polish Resttlement act to provide refuge for the hundreds of thousands of Polish ex-service personnel and their families who had resolutely served within the British armed forces during WW2. Best wishes to you and Poland.
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  2541. True, but still over 80% of Fighter Command was British born, the allied pilots stood on the British shoulders.
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  2542. For you future reference, you do realise you can just type in teh time stamp... as so 1:24:25
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  2543.  @MarkHarrison733  Hello Bell end.
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  2544. Sadly there is only one single Fighter Command pilot from the battle of Britain left alive. John Allman (Paddy) Hemingway was a Flying Officer with 85 & 253 sqds flying Hurricanes during the battle. Now 104 years old he is living quietly in a nursing home in Dublin, Republic of Ireland.
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  2545. On weald of Kent I watched once more Again I heard that rumbling roar Of fighter planes; yet none were near And all around the sky was clear Borne on the wind a whisper came 'Though men grow old, they stay the same' And then I knew, unseen to eye The ageless Few were sweeping by
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  2546. Change your medication.... the current one is not working.
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  2547. Oh shut up you tool.
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  2548. A very large aircraft for a very small (1000kg) bomb load, though it did have some momentary successes in the North Atlantic.
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  2549. Extermination camps in the Pennines or Scottish highlands maybe?
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  2550. Just imagine if the German population had risen up and overthrown the nazis?
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  2551. Surely your not saying that the USA was profiteering off ANYONE they could while others were fighting for their very lives !!!!
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  2552.  @ann-mariebaker118  In response to your post, seemingly deleted by authoritarian, censorious YT, its not about "racism" Ann, its about "Realism". Your naive idea is effectively to say to the world's population "let's all be nice"..... a lovely, sweet notion but one that has forever been undermined and mocked by the completely natural avarice of human nature. When you grow up and see more of "human nature", you'll understand the phrase "One rotten apple to spoil the barrel".
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  2553.  @ann-mariebaker118  How many you got living in your house now Ann? There's a few billion more on the waiting list... chop chop.
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  2554.  @jackx4311  FYI, Mr BLOODY IGNORANT, 96.8% of YT stats such as yours are made up on the spot, Got that, THICKO?
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  2555.  @ann-mariebaker118  "People have the right to live where they want", Do they? How about when they decide to exercise their right to come and live in YOUR house at YOUR expense? Are you gonna house feed and cloth the world's migrants? Do you think they come here for our glorious wet weather and culture? Boat & wagon loads of them ferried to the UK from across the world by globalist filth organisations preparing the ground for the future one-world government, arriving here with nothing but empty bellies & grasping hands, looking for free cash and a house that we're all supposed to cough up for? We should send them all round to yours, you seem to want them all. FFS GROW UP !!!!
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  2556. In preparation for the future one world government thats going to be foisted upon the unsuspecting peoples of the world..... "one size fits nobody".
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  2557. "the word stuck"..... and so to the British "the blitz" means the bombing of British cities. Also the Germans themselves in their military academies never used the term "blitzkrieg" but instead described the strategy as "Bewegungskrieg" or "manoeuvre warfare", avoiding enemy strongpoints, penetrating deeply into enemy rear areas (Because they "do not like it up 'em missus"... OOOOO-EERRRR !!!!) surrounding enemy forces and destroying them piecemeal in a series of "Kesselschlacht " or "Cauldron battles".
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  2558. Heady days indeed.
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  2559. While not ALL of human existence, one of the extremes of it for sure.
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  2560. UK stood alone against German occupied Europe for 18 months, before Germany stupidly (but luckily for us) declared war on the US and dragged her against her will into the European war.
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  2561. What exactly could we, a country that had bent over backwards for 20 years to avoid another war, have done to save a nation swallowed up by a psychopath and a behemoth in 36 days?
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  2562.  @nmr6988  I'm not sure about roku Nancy. I watch on good old windows PCs, and its a 30 second install that will hugely change for the better how the internet works for you.
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  2563. The song is obviously "A Nightingale sang in Berkeley Square", I've had a good search and found original recordings by Guy Lombardo, Vera Lynn, Turner Leyton, Larry Stewart & Mel Torme amongst others but not managed to find any that match this recording.
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  2564. The best people to have interviewed would have been the Belgians who lived in Liege on 6th August 1914, when they became the world's VERY FIRST VICTIMS of intentional aerial terror bombing, of course, as became the norm in the 20th century it was the Germans (on that occasion in their zeppelins) who were busy initiating the dropping of high explosive on innocent civilians.
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  2565. They were NEVER Me-109s. but Bf-109s.
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  2566. At that point in time night time bombing was horribly inaccurate and ineffective, and daytime bombing would be horrendously costly both in fighters and bombers. The bombers did hit the channel ports with their assembling "invasion barges", but as "bomber" Harris was later on record as saying "if there is one thing you can see at night, it is a coastline", therefore the ports were easier to navigate to and target at night.
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  2567. Are you referring to 5 OTU?
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  2568.  @michealohaodha9351  If they mention every nationality there would be not time for the rest of the program. We honour the service of ALL the nationalities that fought with us, but the fact does remain that 76% of fighter command pilots during the battle were British (from Britain) the remaining 24% were from the commonwealth and the other allied countries.
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  2569. The masses are all too easily led by duplicitous and corrupt leaders, they still are to this very day. George Orwell stated he wrote animal farm after seeing a farmer beating a giant shire horse with a stick, and the shire horse not being aware of its own strength complied with his demands.
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  2570. Not forgetting the Bf-110s.
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  2571.  @argylldon  Ah, their bad then in that case. The wisest amongst us know, it's ALWAYS handy to have the Scotish on your side....The "devils in skirts"!!!! (Although maybe not in a spitfire at 18000ft !!!).
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  2572. "British pilots" covers all pilots from Wales, Scotland & England, and will suffice.
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  2573. ?
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  2574.  @ieatoutoften872  Completely fabricated figures? or are you going to provide a creditable source (and NOT wikipedia) for them? Goering promises that he will destroy the BEF and their estwhile rescuers with his over hyped Luftwaffe.... end result 338000 allied soldiers are evacuated from the beaches. THATS how successful the Luftwaffe were at destroying the BEF and sinking their rescue armada.
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  2575.  @ieatoutoften872  Comparing the japanese naval and land based anti ship capabilities to that of the Germans is like comparing Manchester United to Scunthorpe town. Nazis in 1940 had NO torpedo bomber, no dedicated anti ship aircraft, in fact no recognisable blue water anti-ship capabilities at all. The closest being the Stukas, but they didn't fare too well at Dunkirk did they? THOUSANDS of ship targets available and a sinking rate of less than 1%?
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  2576. Why do you conclude that modern day globalism is based in nazism? It could just as well be described as good old "world communism". I agree with your outlook, there definitely IS a world hegemony now being implemented by the corporate elites, but hanging old world labels like "fascism / nazism / communism / socialism) is REALLY barking up the wrong tree and muddying the waters. The likes of the WEF / WHO / UN / central banks couldn't care less about the "racial purity" so beloved of the far right, indeed they are HUGELY more concerned to ensure racial homogenisation. The only thing they care about is absolute power in their OWN name.
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  2577. While I agree with your sentiment, it's not really fair to say that the RAF pilots were "almost all posh". The RAF had a very robust pilot supply scheme, from 3 sources. 1. RAF career pilots, these being the peacetime, "full time" officer pilots of the RAF, relatively low numbers (but with a moderate degree of poshness) 2. (Royal) Auxiliary Air Force, a peacetime reserve force founded in 1924, whose pilots were mostly self financed, holding prewar private pilots licences etc. They provided 14 of Fighter Command's squadrons during the battle, but the combat losses of their posh prewar constituent pilot establishments were quickly made up with RAFVR pilots. (originally a VERY high degree of poshness). 3. RAF Volunteer Reserve (RAFVR), Created in 1936. This was a government sponsored program to bulk up pilot numbers, entry was open to ANYONE, and after being filtered through various aptitude tests candidates undertook part time pilot training. In 1939 RAFVR fielded over 6500 pilots for all commands of the RAF, with a large number being NCO aircrew. These RAFVR quickly became the majority of Fighter Command pilots during ther battle. (very low degree of poshness).
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  2578. Both as bad as each other.
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  2579. Same old divisive BS.
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  2580. Seems your lifetime of study has left you none the wiser, and instead STILL parroting left wing nonsense. Here let me help you get upto speed. With regard to the non-appearance of Polish forces during the London "1946 Victory parade" the problem lay SQUARELY with POLAND. The first invites sent out by the UK Labour Govt of Clement Attlee to ALL the nations who had fought for the Allied cause during WW2 (INCLUDING Poland, USSR & Yugoslavia) were sent out weeks in advance of the parade. The Polish invite in particular was quite understandably delivered to the Polish "Provisional Government of National Unity" ( the "TRJN" or Tymczasowy Rząd Jedności Narodowej) based in Warsaw, which was the OFFICIAL Polish govt as recognised by the international community in the newly created form of the "United Nations", and NOT just by Britain alone. The TRJN was the same govt that it was intended the London based Polish nationalist Govt in exile would become an intrinsic part of, as agreed to by ALL sides at the Yalta conference in Feb 1945.... (although the soviets subsequently saw to it that this never actually happened). This invite sent directly to Warsaw immediately raised a storm of protest from the Polish nationalist govt in exile based in London who, with some justification, felt they had been sidelined in the matter, their anger was supported by many British MPs, senior ranks within the UK armed forces & members of the British public. With only days left before the parade was due to take place, and with no reply or even acknowledgement of the British invite from the OFFICIAL Polish TRJN govt in Warsaw, the British govt then hurriedly & belatedly sent out a SECOND INVITE directly to the Polish Govt in Exile in London, (as well as to many individual Polish service personnel), but as one united group they CHOSE to shun the invites to register their anger and disgust at being treated as "second fiddle" to the Warsaw govt. And the final Ignominy? The Warsaw TRJN govt neither responded to or even acknowledged the original invite from the UK (as neither did the USSR or Yugoslavia) and never attended the parade either. As you can see the Polish "non appearance" was solely down to a poisonous bitter mix of political hatred (from Warsaw) and hubris (from the London Poles), and NOTHING to do with this "Poles weren't invited to the parade" communist propaganda nonsense. As I've described above the Polish nation was actually the ONLY allied nation to receive TWO invites to the parade. I do hope that'll assist you in not spreading incorrect lefty BS in future. All the best.
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  2581. Globalists Dave, who owe their allegience toglobal corporate interests rather than the countries and people they are supposed to represent.
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  2582.  @daniellastuart3145  I like your comments on a lot of subjects, but comparing Brexit to nazism is ludicrous. The RAF was fighting against invasion and rule by a foreign power, and yet you choose to believe than not wanting to be subservient to the EUSSR under the command of the Germans and Frau Merkel is the antithesis of the battle of Britain?
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  2583. Globalist psychopath's have a lot to answer for, but they'll never be brought to book.
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  2584. Would you care to explain that ridiculous notion?
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  2585.  @greengardens1565  You mean the former western democracies now subverted and run by corporate globalist puppets posing as "leaders of democracy".
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  2586.  @brydzo4052  Until you can give answers to my questions above, I strongly disagree with you and your cohorts charge of so called "betrayal", the same betrayal you and many like you complain about in your own uninformed way.
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  2587.  @brydzo4052  Thats one thing where we're in agreement, I've not watched TV for 15 years (Strangely enough though modern day globalism pushes the "Bad Britain" agenda to new heights, maybe you should watch more TV you'd probably love their agenda). But as things stand you're still just another modern day clueless Pole who can't provide any answers to my questions.... just moan and whinge over stuff you don't understand.... your grandparents would be ashamed of you.
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  2588.  @brydzo4052  Lucky for me I've got all that above "copy and pasted" so I don't have to type it out for EVERY clueless Pole mouthing off in YT comments.
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  2589.  @brydzo4052  So once again, another clueless Pole, with loads of bravado, and not a clue of what he's talking about.... no change there then.
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  2590. Could you please tell us of these supposed "betrayals" please Brydzo?
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  2591. Your "random word generator" seems to be coming along VERY well !!!
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  2592. The countries you mention were all involuntary victims of a belligerent invader. Britain (and France) ELECTED to stand up against the tide of evil, and in doing so lost hundreds of thousands of their citizens and saw their economies and empires destroyed in the process.
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  2593. My feeling is that it's been dumbed out of us by lefty globalism. Most nowadays seem to be interested in kittens & unicorns.
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  2594. But mostly British.
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  2595. 247 Sqd flying from St Eval in Cornwall. They were vectored towards several raids during the battle, but due to their relative lack of speed never managed to make an interception, BUT that does not diminish the courage and fortitude of its pilots who without hesitation took to the air time and again in aircraft that were totally outclassed during the battle.
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  2596. No, the Germans had their arses handed to them by the British. End of.
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  2597.  @ejmproductions8198  You're very impetuous. Please read my earlier responses CAREFULLY. I like alternate view points, but ALWAYS prefer ones that are well reasoned and have a good degree of factual merit. 1. I did not say my comment about US supplies was your opinion, I said "You appear to be the same sort of biased, uninformed commenter who would" give that opinion... if that is not the case then all is well and good, and I apologise for the inference. 2. "Also you failed to mention the Role South-Africa, NZ and Australia played in North-Africa", You obviously didn't read my comment "meanwhile Britain & its Commonwealth had its forces defending a world wide empire" 2. "The pub landlord" A.K.A Mr Al Murray, is a "comedic caricature" invented by the said Mr Murray. You do understand what that means don't you? "The pub landlord" is a portrayal of the perception of a UK nationalist intentionally inflated and malformed & created for comic effect. If you actually watch the videos you describe you will see they're light hearted, and eagerly contested discussions regarding British history that as often as not air less than flattering facts about Britain and its erstwhile empire. I'm stunned by your apparent TOTAL unawareness of the the elevated self-regard that ALL countries display, and have to laugh at the idea that Britain is any worse that the rest of the world community. Please tell me that you're not from the United States, as they are the MAJOR LEAGUE WORLD CHAMPIONS of self-aggrandisement compared to Britain's middle of the junior league level of self elevation. Or maybe you should read the title and lyrics of the German national anthem "Deutschland über alles". A major difference I feel between us is that I consider points in shades and nuances, while you talk in absolutes, and see the world as simplistic black and white.
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  2598. It's "groot" to hear that some still think of us as "Great Britain", as I myself have never liked the "United Kingdom" or "UK". (As a side point, we grew up in Britain being told that your country was called "Holland", and rarely heard it being referred to as "The Netherlands", even though we now know that Netherlands is correct, do any of your compatriots ever refer to your homeland as "Holland"?) You're spot on as well regarding the command and control systems that Dowding orchestrated in the run up to WW2, and which intergrated the Chain home radar, Royal observer corps, filter rooms & sector commands that enabled Fighter command to repel 2500 luftwaffe aircraft with 650 RAF fighters. All the best to our Dutch cousins, we still love all European people regardless of Brexit... that was hatred of the EUSSR.
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  2599. All national governments now are in the pay of globalist corporations. Forget the "fascist" BS thats a smokescreen.
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  2600.  @rubusroo68  Cry more kid... still having sleepless nights over the exercise of democracy by a majority in the referendum? You don't like the result, lefty? The answer is simple go live in your EUSSR Eutopia. You won't be missed.
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  2601. Nice to see that there are still some people who think for themselves & refuse to follow the globalist MSM briefing that everyone should "hate the UK". The UK that rejected their EUSSR power bloc. We told the nazis where to go in 1940... & told the globalists where to go in 2016. The British Public.... giving the two fingers to totalitarianism since time began !!! All the best.
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  2602. How? Had they also developed time travel to go back to June 1940?
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  2603.  @MarkHarrison733  "Hitler's role in decolonisation" Did that lefty revisionist have anything to say about the allies (including Britain) role in liberating the countries of Europe from murderous GERMAN colonisation?
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  2604. @Studentofsweetscience I think Mike believes Goering threw away the cream of his aircrew in their failed battle against the RAF as a joke.
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  2605. No, I don't recall the Wehrmacht staging a victory parade down Whitehall in 1940 as they did down the Champs d'Elysee. BRITAIN plainly won the Battle of Britain.
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  2606.  @mikecain6947  I was wondering why you suddenly changed tack to "There were more French civilians killed in Normandy than the blitz in England" after your initial assertion was proved groundless.
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  2607.  @mikecain6947  Imagine how many more would have died if we'd left the nazis ensconced in Europe....
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  2608. Not in 1940 they didn't.
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  2609. Something the nazis forgot.... Sun Tzu's "Know yourself and know your enemy, and you need not fear the outcome of a thousand battles."
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  2610. Because if the fighters flew "catch up" at high speed they would reduce their fuel efficiency and greatly shorten their range. Aircraft of the era all had "cruising" speeds in the region of 200 mph.
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  2611. The US "entered the war" you make it sound like a deliberate choice by the USA, as opposed to the reality of the US doing everything in its power to stay out of the fight against murderous totalitarianism until that evil DECLARED WAR ON THE USA.
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  2612. We of the PC uber race with ad blockers installed, watch youtube videos free of all advertising bar the content creators in-vid sponsor BS.
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  2613. Not much. But the first hand accounts from people who took part and witnessed are pure gold.
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  2614. The UK also had to pay the United States BILLIONS of pounds for the goods supplied to her, and only finished repaying her WW2 debts to the US in 2006. P.S Polish blood wasn't spilled in defence of England, it was spilled in the fight to destroy the oppressors of Poland. In fact 450,000 BRITISH lives were lost doing the same thing, and we weren't even conquered by Germany. All those British lives lost for YOUR country. Show some reverence.
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  2615.  @Leo-ec4eu  I 'd love to hope you're right Leo.
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  2616. There was a minority of MANY nationalities, not just Poles.
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  2617. I truly do hope so as well, but what the generations to come will and will not see is now decided largely by global organisations who will themselves decide which "version" of events will be allowed into the minds of those "yet to come".
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  2618. Dream on. 3 reinforced luftflotte facing Britain, 1 weak one providing air defence of Germany. RAF fighter command was outnumbered by over four to one... don't forget it.
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  2619.  @Snibble  The only "deal" that was struck regarding Poland was the one where the Soviets promised to hold full and open elections after WW2. The same deal that 6 months later the Soviets reneged on and told the west "what are you going to do about it"? Now we're finished. Happy new year.
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  2620.  @Snibble  What part of the cold war do you NOT understand as the condemnation of the subjugation of Eastern Europe?
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  2621.  @Snibble  So what do YOU suggest the west could do to restore democracy to a Poland subjuged by a second evil empire in 6 years?
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  2622. We did nothing of the sort, you silly lefty. The Soviets STOLE Poland, what do YOU suggest could be done to take it back?
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  2623. Ordinary decent people tend to hate ALL political extremists, both fascist AND communist. Try living under one of their regimes, and you'll find it easier to understand.
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  2624. Absolutely, and down with NATO / Globalist expansionism !!!
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  2625.  khaotik 99  And guess what? They were mostly led by British squadron and flight commanders, and 30% of their confirmed kills were scored by a Czechoslovakian ace !!!! It appears only Britain has to pay homage to other nationalities..... The Polish it seems don't have to bother paying the same tribute to other nations !!!
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  2626. Oh go away with your nonsense. Lefty tool.
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  2627. I've a bit of a stiff knee, I'm afraid no fecking knee taking from this Brit.
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  2628. Please tell me about the luftwaffe bombing attacks on Delhi?
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  2629. There's no hope currently for Ukraine, Globalist directed NATO are intent on sacrificing their democracy & population on the altar of toppling the Russian government and placing another globalist puppet in Putin's place (much the same as Johnson.... Trudeau.... Biden..... Sturgeon.... Marcron.... Varadkar... etc) .
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  2630. Absolutely !!! They can never be able to forgive the Russians/Soviets for what they did to their Polish homelands !!!!
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  2631. The small country of the United Kingdom was alone in being attacked by the full weight of the Luftwaffe in Summer 1940. Unless you can direct us to info regarding luftwaffe bombing attacks on Delhi, Ottawa and Canberra that is?
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  2632. Keith Park was a most able commander, but what is a commander without his forces? Many of our empire war heroes were VERY shabbily treted after WW2, its not something restricted to members of the commonwealth. Society is directed by the elites, the avaricious and the striving, NOT by the able and experienced. Dowding himself was also treated deplorably. The air defence system of the UK was designed almost entirely on the concepts formulated by and the force of personality of Hugh Dowding, who as head of Fighter Command hand picked his team. Park was NOT the commander of the battle but the top "lieutenant" of the commander, and your assertion a poor misportrayal of the situation.
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  2633. Aircraft definitely... pilots? Not so much.
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  2634.  @SeanHollingsworth  I know Sean, I'm old enough to have watched the 1969 film when it was first released, and to know the origin of the "luftwaffe" aircraft that featured in it....Spanish air force CASA 2.111s and HA 1112 "Buchons". All the best :)
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  2635.  @peterodixon1  If you'd said "documentary" in your OP I would have not replied, when you said "film", the film is replete with Polish references. This documentary never said anything about ANY of the other nationalities that comprised the <20% of fighter command in summer 1940, why do the Poles deserve special mention?
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  2636. True, but more than 80% were of British birth.
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  2637. When you realise how far the political spectrum has been hauled to the left by the all powerful globalist MSM and its soshal meeeedya mind control apparatus, then you realise that even the Local Mother's union with their knitting circles and whist drives are now considered right wing extremist organisations.
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  2638. I know... NATO and globalists endlessly closing in on Russia's borders since 1989 is reprehensible... when will they stop?
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  2639. Spot on Seeker.
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  2640.  @roberteastwood6937  No it isn't Robert. Look here on YT and you'll find plenty of vids taken from TV documentaries highlighting the contribution of the pilots of non British countries, though mainly of Poland. You see what YOU choose to see. I have attended remembrance day parades in the UK every year since the 1980s, and EVERY year wreaths, tributes and honours are paid, once again almost exclusively, to the Polish contribution WITHOUT FAIL. Stop believing what you read in globalist, Brit hating media, and experience real life. Its quite different from the agenda laden BS the unthunkers have fed to them.
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  2641. How did you work that out Einstein?
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  2642. God bless BOTH their memories & service.
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  2643. ad-block...ublock origin is my choice.
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  2644. "Unfortunately" for Tommy he wasn't a persecuted homosexual, so beloved of lefties. Bletchley park (apart from Turing and the Women who took part) has been almost completely erased from the historical record because of nauseating lefty revisionism.
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  2645. P.S Its "you're" not "your".... Uneducated, just as the lefties like their youngsters.
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  2646.  @ion2960  The little lefty descends to personal (and pathetic) insults in the complete absence of having anything valid or worthwhile to say. You'll do well in the ranks of the young communists club.
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  2647.  @ion2960  P.S my comment has actually been "ghosted" by YT, that is it still appears while I'm logged into my account, but is removed when I view without being logged in. You've a lot to learn about left wing censorship.
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  2648.  @ion2960  I don't delete ANY of my comments. I happily stand by everything I type. Are you that innocent not to realise that YT regularly delete comments that don't fit in with its lefty globalist worldview.... Ah bless, you'll learn soon enough.
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  2649. You think he saved the world alone? By himself, without the Bletchley Park TEAM he was nothing but an obscure dusty academic. Because of his status as "persecuted homosexual" he has been turned into a political idol of the left and raised to god like status by its use of "identity politics".
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  2650.  @zackakai5173  No, thats why he is elevated above others who contributed just as much to the decryption efforts by today's lefty identity police cnuts.
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  2651. Well said David. So much agenda driven nonsense.
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  2652. This is a reply to "Ion" below.... YT has started deleting my comments in reply to others, but not in the main thread. I apologise on YT's behalf. "You think he saved the world alone? By himself, without the Bletchley Park TEAM he was nothing but an obscure dusty academic. Because of his status as "persecuted homosexual" he has been turned into a political idol of the left and raised to god like status by its use of "identity politics". I don't delete ANY of my comments. I happily stand by everything I type. Are you that innocent not to realise that YT regularly delete comments that don't fit in with its lefty globalist worldview.... Ah bless, you'll learn soon enough. P.S my comment has actually been "ghosted" by YT, that is it still appears while I'm logged into my account, but is removed when I view without being logged in. You've a lot to learn about left wing censorship."
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  2653. Welchman, Tutte, Flowers et al.... almost NEVER discussed. The reason being they weren't homosexual.
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  2654. "Unsung" FFS can you name ANY of the rest of the leading lights in Britain's decryption efforts? He''s the only one ever highlighted because of of his homosexuality and the way he was treated.
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  2655. Well said... the Dollis Hill team were as important to the decrytion efforts but are virtually unknown to the general public.... if only they'd been homosexual.
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  2656. Thats the mental ability level that lefties would like the population to operate at.... makes it easier to control the masses.
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  2657.  @joanofarc708  You have my interest... please expand.
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  2658. Or ANY of the rest of the major players in Britain's decryption efforts. Just as important as Alan Turing but all completely unknown to the general public, due to them not being homosexual.
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  2659.  @timwatts9371  Why would I choose not to use independent thought and avoid the "elephant in the room"? That "elephant" being the constant harping on about Alan Turing by the lefty, globalist, divisive "identity politics" pushing MSM as opposed to the almost complete anonymity of the rest of the team without who Mr Turing was nothing but a dusty old academic. Tommy Flowers, working class, self educated & self financed electronics technician par excellence who brought his planet sized understanding of practical electronics to turn Turing's academic ideas and concepts to practical fruition, he SHOULD be an icon for the left, with him being an ordinary man of working class "stock" which used to be so beloved of the left, but unfortunately he was white, heterosexual and very much a "Mr everyone", therefore not very useful for current lefties in highlighting differences between various social groups. Bill Tutte and Arne Buerling who through massive analytical insight respectively cracked the very foundation of the German's much tougher "Tunny" and "Sturgeon" ciphers with pen and paper and BOTH almost completely unknown, together with many others who through determined direction and teamwork TOGETHER brought WW2 to an earlier climax. Your defense of the elevation of the persecuted homeosexual Mr Turing to almost iconic god like status by the MSM marks you as just another low-level lefty dupe.
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  2660. What about the rest of the decryption team, all as equally important as Turing, but none of them known to the general public... I wonder why?
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  2661. More leftist "identity politics" at work. What About Bille Tutte, Gordon Welchman, Tommy Flowers, Arne Buerling, Harry Hinsley and the rest of the team who all made the British decryption efforts as successful as they were. Turing was not a "one man decyphering machine" but an academic whose insight in the field of mathematics was hugely supported by equals, both academic and practical giants, who have since been sacrificed to anonymity at the altar of lefty "identity politics" because they weren't "persecuted homosexuals".
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  2662. bell end
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  2663.  @GreatPolishWingedHussars  I agree with your sentiment regarding the cancellation of post war German debt, but the western financiers who pull the strings of the world (as they do even more so today) wanted a strong Germany to act as a bulwark against the further western spread of communism as the cold war approached, exactly the same as they previously did in the 1930s.... before the nazis started to persecute the very people who were helping to provide the funds for her post WW1 re-emergence. As for my second post being addressed to the OP, my apology on that count, that is an uncommon error on my behalf. Believe me I've no intention of hiding its message. I stand by what I said, and I'm more than happy to discuss what I typed.
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  2664. Until YOU turned up.
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  2665. "Loan"? Errrr.... get your facts right. Look up "Destroyers for bases deal". If you feel like that, then give us back our land that you were given a 99 year lease on rent free.
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  2666. Sitting ducks... Hahahaa as the Luftwaffe lay in smoking ruins across the south of England.
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  2667. How come during the ENTIRE war the Luftwaffe never sank a single Royal Navy capital ship? For example the Mediterranean sea being filled with RN Capital ships and surrounded by Axis air fields, and not ONE sunk?
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  2668.  @dovetonsturdee7033  I always laugh when I stumble on a video... read the comments... feel my "dander being raised"... prepare to fire of some British broadsides.... and then see Admiral Sturdee has beaten me to it already !!! Sterling work as ever Doveton.
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  2669. Difference between "allowed" and "incapable".
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  2670. The only way Piers Morgan would look "buff" would be inside a casket.
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  2671. Yes indeed, though there would a far greater number of emigrants FROM Britain, oops sorry I meant deportations of all able bodied males between the ages of 16 to 40 to Germany to act a slave labour, that is being worked to death in German war factories, and those who weren't able bodied? Then its off to the extermination camp in the Pennines for you !!!! Sounds great.
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  2672. (Whilst creating the largest empire in human history) Read it and weep kid.
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  2673. How exactly would they do that? They wouldn't even dare dip a toe in the English Channel !!!
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  2674.  @chazwalker7156  Well I'm not so sure I'd like to live next to the crematoria at the extermination camp in Bolton, or live with the stench of mass burials outside Sunderland, Bristol and 50 other British towns and cities, but apart from that, I'm sure it would be just lovely!!!
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  2675. You mean like the luftwaffe did at Dunkirk? Failing miserably to stop a flotilla of hundreds of ships of all shapes and sizes from evacuating 338,000 troops off a beach in broad daylight? Not ONE capital ship of the RN was sunk by the luftwaffe during WW2. THATS how good they were at sinking ships.
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  2676. Search for "Tauchpanzer".
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  2677. Do you think it would be "better" to have extermination camps in the Pennines and Scottish highlands? Mass burial pits outside of Leicester, Hull, Norwich, Bristol and 50 other British towns and cities? together with mass deportations of all young men between the ages of 16 and 40 to Germany to provide slave labour for German industry? Sounds peachy.
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  2678. Search "tauchpanzer".
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  2679. I imagine the plot more as "The Admirable Crichton".
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  2680. What? Do you mean like they did at Dunkirk? When they completely failed to stop the evacuation of 338,000 troops in broad daylight? Think again little one.
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  2681. Why would there have been a "peace treaty"? Germany had utterly NO CHANCE of invading Britain. RAF or no RAF.
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  2682. Without the UK, the USSR would have collapsed in 1942.
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  2683. Yeah flooded with commies now.
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  2684. Was Ken Len's Brother?
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  2685.  @larry4789  You lost boy... move on.
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  2686.  @dovetonsturdee7033  They say "a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing"... makes me tremble to think what complete ignorance is capable of !!!
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  2687. Maybe, but lots of us would be LEAVING this country.... deported to Germany as slave labour to be worked to death in German war factories.
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  2688. Ah days when we had a government that ruled for the good of its people, and not at the behest of its political benefactors.
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  2689. A nice extermination camp outside Dublin would suit you just fine.
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  2690. How were the 3 dugout canoes of the German navy going to escort the "invasion fleet" (of towed canal barges) past the world's largest navy exactly?
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  2691. And there'd be FAR fewer people living here.... what with all the extermination camps and forced deportations.
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  2692.  @dovetonsturdee7033  I was about to reply to the same message from love, but luckily spotted that you have already said all I was going to say in your usual erudite manner, Doveton.
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  2693. Why? All they cared about (as they still do is money). Luckily we saved ourselves.
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  2694. A mixture of stating the obvious, (like saying If I had a beak feathers and webbed feet I'd be a duck instead of a human), and nonsense... Good mixture... well done.
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  2695. More likely ploughed into the earth here in the UK.... not a bad result in itself.
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  2696. History is off the books now... all part of "ripping up the old world" policies of the corporate globalists.
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  2697. "Military experts"? Or "Historians"?
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  2698. There are lots of contemporary Indians in comments nowadays who misguidedly deify the Japanese and their "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere" as "liberators" from the rule of the British. That's like having Jimmy Savile rescue your children from a house fire.
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  2699. You can't comply yourself out of tyranny.
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  2700.  @horseandcart5978  I'm not the one complaining about abortion. I can differentiate between the two examples given.
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  2701. Forget your misplaced "morality"..... the human race needs to control its numbers. we're just meat on legs. Get over it and be thankful you made it to full term.
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  2702. bell end.
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  2703. You are aware that you can use the internet to find information for yourself, aren't you? 1st Reich was the Holy Roman Empire (800–1806). 2nd Reich was the Prussian Empire (1871-1918).
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  2704.  @thelatearthurmorgan6158  There are a number of documentaries on the subject that have been produced an narrated by the US, they're usually the lower quality ones. The US had virtually no input into the whole episode. Its perfectly fitting that a British (or maybe German) narrate the material.
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  2705. What do you suggest? A gobby yank?
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  2706. British already had noticably better ships.
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  2707. You been to the US, France or Italy lately?
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  2708.  @BlindPidePiper  Silly nonsense.... So you imagine the German Hochseeflotte sortied to maintain the status quo (that is the British strangulation of German shipping, and containment of its navy) did it? No it didn't!!! It came to weaken the British blockade of the North sea, and took losses it couldn't afford to repeat and so ran home having completely failed to break British resolve and never dared to challenge the RN again. Strategic catastrophe that eventually led to the "Turnip Winter" and the near collapse of the German economy... "strategic draw" indeed !!! Hahahaha.
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  2709. Hahaha comedy gold!!! You were joking weren't you?
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  2710. This video has been up for nearly 4 years, and has had endless requests in the comments section to correct the title regarding the service that Mr Brown served in. 4 years and the channel cannot be bothered to take the 5 seconds it would take to correct the title. Anyone would think they weren't interested in the subject material or respectful enough to give Mr Brown his correct title, and solely put up these videos to generate income. Perish the thought.
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  2711. Yes.
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  2712. You seem to imagine that the "rulers" of ANY nation are eager to get into the "fight" its VERY rare that ANY of the "ruling elite" get within 100 miles of any combat. Remember that plenty of "dumb assed" yanks got greased during all the wars they've joined late and started for the benefit of the arms corporations.
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  2713. Well to be fair, Sweden was neutral and so helped BOTH sides of the war. Bill Tutte did the same thing with the "Lorenz" cipher machine in late 1941 as Beurling had done with the "G-Schreiber".
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  2714. Strange how the wokes bang on about "diversity" and yet the flooding of nations with emigrants is designed to inexorably lead to homogenisation... a one size fits no-one mocha coloured world population of the future. All the easier for the future one world government to manage.
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  2715. Oh I do love "alt history" fantasies. When do you bring out your full novel?
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  2716. Aye, they did the first 2%, indeed the acorn that the British alone developed into the "mighty oak" of the "ULTRA" program.
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  2717. P.S Do him the favour of spelling his name correctly if you hold him in such high regard... its "Turing".
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  2718. He was one person in a TEAM and was FAR from being the only genius involved, it never harmed his profile over the last 30 years that he was also a persecuted homosexual... one of the left's favourite agitprops.
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  2719. What ads? stop watching YT on dumbass TVs or mobile devices and install an "adblocker".
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  2720. The "Y service" receiving stations had to be widely spaced to provide the necessary physical separation required for successful triangulation of radio transmission sources. Such an error on triangulation NEARLY allowed the German battleship Bismarck to evade the Royal Navy in May 1941.
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  2721. Another of the "great unknowns" to the general public. As they ALL originally were due to the UK official secrets act. Its just that nowadays the lefties only promote individuals to highlight aspects of their "identity" and to push lefty "woke" agendas, and ignore the rest.... Tommy Flowers.... Bill Tutte.... Gordon Welchman et al.
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  2722. True, but a "quintillion" means absolutely nothing to the average person in the street.
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  2723. Read about the Italian "Maiale", British "Chariot" or German "marder" manned torpedoes.
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  2724. Dear dear.... you are a small deluded child aren't you?
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  2725. The 12000lb tallboy bombs weren't designed to sink Tirpitz, they were "earthquake" bombs that were designed to collapse raliway bridges and other difficult to hit targets.
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  2726. All the yanks care about is "the bottom line", how you get their is immaterial to them.
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  2727.  @peteranddorothybowles5428  The Mosquito FB Mk XVIII "Tsetse" with the 57mm 6 pdr gun mounted ventrally. punched nice holes through a sub's pressure hull.
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  2728.  @nickdanger3802  I'm not quite sure what your point is Nick? Both RAF and USAAF were bombing Germany to destruction, and it was decided early on that Britain would do it by night, USAAF by day. Are you suggesting that the USA had an anethema of bombing civilians? If so please don't lower yourself, they were buried as deep into the squalor of 20th century total war as Britain was.
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  2729.  @nickdanger3802  And yet there was bomber command handing out night after night to Germany what the Luftwaffe could only dream of doing to Britain of in 1940. I'm sure the recipients of "millenium" and "gomorrah" were all thinking "thank goodness its not the USAAF in their stable, heavily armed and armoured aircraft" !!!
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  2730.  @nickdanger3802  "The USSTAF was beginning to achieve results which Bomber Command could only envy" Then cites the BBC as a source... hahaha, have you got some quotes from the "Grauniad" as well? Both have been subverted into globalist orchestrated Brit hating organs, hence their diminishing share of the market in the UK. P.S As far as German civilians and bombing are concerned, wind and whirlwind, anything else is merely hot air.
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  2731. It was well known in the 1980s. F.W Winterbottom's book "The ultra secret" was first published in 1974.
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  2732.  @jimkluska253  My mistake, It was a reasonable perception that your first response attempted to minimise the loss to the US. The Jupiter missiles in Europe were a "checkmate" move by the US in geopolitics.... the soviet response of furnishing Castro with their own missiles countered the US move and forced an American retraction. Its a pity you find fulsome responses to be in some way, hyperactive? No matter, likewise best wishes to yourself.
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  2733. Hmmm East and west.... BOTH are as bad as each other. Don't be stupid enough to think the "poor USSR" simply wanted to be left in peace.
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  2734.  @bone3594  You not noticed Ron? The globalists have imported "world communism 2.0" to Australia and the west already.
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  2735.  @tellmemoreplease9231  Well to be fair the USSR WAS "Russo-centric".
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  2736. Exactly Hans.... thank God others have their eyes open and not successfully blinkered by the globalist MSM.
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  2737.  @mikealvord55  Save it for the dupes.... the yanks were checked by Krushchev and pretend that they faced him down. We know your yankee BS only too well my friend.
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  2738. President of what? "Planet Rubble"?
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  2739. Read the info under the video, and get your wallet ready.
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  2740. Why not?
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  2741. I always spent time with my kids, deprogramming them of the BS that passes as history education in school nowadays. My kids have a good grasp on REAL British history.... both the good AND the not so good.
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  2742. Read the info under the video... then get your wallet out.
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  2743. Get your wallet out and pay for it as it tells you in the info beneath the video.
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  2744. Which is why HMS Hood sported battleship armour.
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  2745. When you pay for it... read the blurb underneath the video... or follow DraterTTV's advice above.
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  2746. No, only a deluded fool would not.
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  2747.  @henryniemann5692  Shows how little you know Henry doesn't it? BOTH U-556 (Kpt-Lt Herbert Wohlfarth) & U-74 (Kpt-Lt Friedrich-Eitel Kentrat) were BOTH in the vicinity of the final battle. Wohlfarth had to leave during the early hours of 27th May due to shortage of fuel and damage to his boat, but Kentrat sat and listened to the sounds of the final battle (as described in U-74's KTb - kreigstagebuch or "war diary") then surfaced after the RN had left and after searching for hours found and rescued 3 Bismarck's survivors himself. Remember its better to keep quiet and let people think you're stupid than to talk nonsense and remove all doubt.
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  2748.  @davidarchibald50  Your evidence that there was no periscope? To set against the sighting by the lookout on Dorsetshire? What was known with certainty by the Royal Navy was that Bismarck had for the previous 24 hours been transmitting beacon signals on known u-boat radio wavelengths and the scene of the final action was 350 miles (a relative Atlantic stone's throw) away from the Kriegsmarine's Atlantic u-boat bases on the French coast. Was Captain BCS Martin of Dorsetshire expected to gamble the lives of his 750 man crew that it was indeed a dolphin's fin or a broaching whale? Or that if it WAS a u-boat the sub's capt would hold fire while he carried out the rescues? As an RN naval captain he would have been SORELY aware of the actions of Otto Weddigen during WW1 during his attack on the British Cruisers Aboukir, Cressy & Hogue. Also google about U-74 (KptLt Eitel-friedrich Kentrat) and U-556 (KptLt Herbert Wohlfarth) who WERE in the vicinity of Bismarck's sinking, having spotted various British warships and heard the final battle. Indeed although U-556 had to depart for France due to shortage of fuel and battle damage, U-74 surfaced after the battle & departure of the RN rescue ships to search for survivors, eventually rescuing a further 3 sailors. You can also refer to the account of Baron Burkhard von Müllenheim-Rechberg, Bismarck's senior ranking survivor who in his book "Battleship Bismarck - a survivor's story" wrote this passage about a discussion he held with Capt Martin of the Dorsetshire after being rescued. "Why," I burst out, "did you suddenly break off the rescue and leave hundreds of our men to drown?" Martin replied that a U-boat had been sighted, or at least reported, and he obviously could not endanger his ship by staying stopped any longer. The Bismarck's experiences on the night of 26 May and the morning of the 27th, I told him, indicated that there were no U-boats in the vicinity. Farther away, perhaps, but certainly not within firing range of the Dorsetshire. I added that in war one often sees what one expects to see. We argued the point back and forth until Martin said abruptly: "Just leave that to me. I'm older than you are and have been at sea longer. I'm a better judge." What more could I say? He was the captain and was responsible for his ship. Apparently some floating object had been mistaken for a periscope or a strip of foam on the water for the wake of a torpedo. No matter what it was.... I AM NOW CONVINCED THAT, UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES, CAPT MARTIN HAD TO ACT AS HE DID." (My caps). They are the words of a Bismarck survivor. If you're so heartbroken about the abandonment of sailors to their fate by the enemy, then I'll warn you NOT to read about the actions of Adm Wilhelm Marschall who on the afternoon of 8th June 1940, after his ships Scharnhorst and Gneisenau had sunk the British aircraft carrier HMS Glorious and her two gallant escorts HMS Acasta & Ardent then failed to make even the most rudimentary effort to provide humanitarian assistance, and instead sailed away leaving over 1500 RN sailors to die in the North sea, inspite of their being NO other vessels in the vicinity. Or is it only German sailors abandoned by the RN who you get all "teared up" about?
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  2749. You really think so?
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  2750. You're obviously unaware of what happened 3 days later by the sound of it.... or The Graf Spee....or the Scharnhorst, and after that the nazis were too frightened to send any of their capital ships out on the high seas in case the big boys played rough with them.
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  2751. Read the info under the video. Get your wallet out if you want the rest of the story..... or go and search out any of the other videos on YT detailing the story for free.
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  2752. While offering sincerest respects to your great uncle's service and ultimate sacrifice, why have you come on a video discussing Bismarck's sortie into the Atlantic in 1941 to share your sentiment? https://youtu.be/KhgnZiJdvlk
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  2753.  @TheGamerFru  Thats all very good Eric, if it has been French and Spanish custom to address ships with male pronouns, then long may it continue, but you will see that the video and your OP is in English and it has been English custom for countless centuries to address ships as female, hence why the vast majority of ships sported female "Figureheads" representing the "spirit" of the ship, a mother figure to provide protection for the crew. This current insistance by unfortunate children who are currently having their minds messed about with by the left wing educational establishment with their ridiculous "gender identity" nonsense think they are going to over turn that tradition and custom. "she" it is for us.
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  2754. Because its the traditional and correct pronoun for a ship.
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  2755. Epilog... You're talking BS,
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  2756. (27th May 1941)
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  2757. As it clearly says under the video "Watch Part 2 by signing up to History Hit! Use the code 'TIMELINE' and get 50% off!"
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  2758.  @Crusader1815  Your evidence that there was no periscope? To set against the sighting by the lookout on Dorsetshire? I refer you to the account of Baron Burkhard von Müllenheim-Rechberg, Bismarck's senior ranking survivor who in his book "Battleship Bismarck - a survivor's story" wrote this passage about an discussion he held with Capt Martin of the Dorsetshire after being rescued. "Why," I burst out, "did you suddenly break off the rescue and leave hundreds of our men to drown?" Martin replied that a U-boat had been sighted, or at least reported, and he obviously could not endanger his ship by staying stopped any longer. The Bismarck's experiences on the night of 26 May and the morning of the 27th, I told him, indicated that there were no U-boats in the vicinity. Farther away, perhaps, but certainly not within firing range of the Dorsetshire. I added that in war one often sees what one expects to see. We argued the point back and forth until Martin said abruptly: "Just leave that to me. I'm older than you are and have been at sea longer. I'm a better judge." What more could I say? He was the captain and was responsible for his ship. "Apparently some floating object had been mistaken for a periscope or a strip of foam on the water for the wake of a torpedo. No matter what it was, I AM NOW CONVINCED THAT, UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES, CAPT MARTIN HAD TO ACT AS HE DID". (My caps) What is known with certainty is that Bismarck had for the previous 24 hours been transmitting beacon signals on known u-boat radio wavelengths and the scene of the final action was 350 miles (a relative naval stone's throw) away from the Kriegsmarine's Atlantic u-boat bases on the French coast. Was Captain BCS Martin of Dorsetshire expected to gamble the lives of his 750 man crew that it was indeed a dolphin's fin or a broaching whale? Or that if it WAS a u-boat the sub's capt would hold fire while he carried out the rescues? As an RN naval captain he would have been SORELY aware of the actions of Otto Weddigen during WW1 during his attack on the British Cruisers Aboukir, Cressy & Hogue. I suggest you look up the details of that incident. Also google about U-74 (KptLt Eitel-friedrich Kentrat) and U-556 (KptLt Herbert Wohlfarth) who WERE in the vicinity of the sinkings, having spotted various British warships and heard the final battle. Indeed although U-556 had to depart for France due to lack of fuel and battle damage, U-74 surfaced after the departure of the RN rescue ships and searched for survivors himself eventually rescuing a further 3 sailors. The RN was so filled with hatred that the day following the sinking, one of the survivors who had been picked up, a badly injured German sailor named Gerhard Lüttich, died on the operating table in Dorsetshire's sick bay. His body was then "committed to the deep" with full military honours provided by both his German comrades AND sailors from HMS Dorsetshire. The remaining crew were treated EXCELLENTLY by the crews of HMS Dorsetshire & HMS Maori, being given the same bunking arrangements as the crew (under guard of course), and provided with 3 hot meals a day for the 4 days they were on board. They were also given Grog (rum and water) which was usually issued normally to the RN sailors, the survivors were also provided with sweets, chocolate and cigarettes by the RN crews, and this was just 3 days after the sinking of HMS Hood... so much for any imagined "deep hatred" by the RN. How do I know this? because my father was a crewman onboard Dorsetshire at the time. He later survived Dorsetshire's own sinking and along with the rest of the "HMS Dorsetshire association" members post war, was invited to various reunions with the Bismarck survivors through the 1960s and 70s. THAT was the level of respect and comradeship that was experienced between the crews of both sides... far removed from your own seemingly devious nonsense. For some further reading material on the matter, google "nineteenkeys dorsetshire" and look for a blog, written by a German researcher between 2008 until about 2012. If you read the entire blog, you will see that he starts with a viewpoint that concurs with your own, and then through further research and discussions with Capt Benjamin Martin's family members, that he changes his opinion 100% and indeed ends up paying respects to Capt Martin. If you're so heartbroken about the abandonment of sailors to their fate by the enemy, then I'll warn you NOT to read about the actions of Adm Wilhelm Marschall who on the afternoon of 8th June 1940, after his ships Scharnhorst and Gneisenau had sunk the British aircraft carrier HMS Glorious and her two gallant escorts HMS Acasta & Ardent then made not even the most rudimentary effort to provide humanitarian assistance, and instead sailed away leaving over 1500 RN sailors to die in the North sea, inspite of their being NO other vessels in the vicinity. Or is it only German sailors abandoned by the RN who you get "teared up" about? One day you'll grow up, little one, and be embarrassed that you were ever enthralled by the lure of nazism.
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  2759. Sounds like he's just had them fitted !!!
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  2760. Not when there are a number of other EXCELLENT videos detailing the events.
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  2761. Read the info UNDER the video, there you will find you're supposed to PAY to watch the second part of the documentary. Do as I and most other people do and watch any number of other docs on the Bismarck saga, a lot of which are of EXCELLENT quality.
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  2762. ​ @littleshep5502  Final Battle involved 2 RN battleships and 2 heavy crusiers. There were NO Fleet Air Arm attacks OR destroyer attacks during the final battle on the morning of 27th May 1941. FIVE RN destroyers of the 4th Destroyer Flotilla commanded by Capt Philip Vian engaged Bismarck through the entire night of 26/27th May but were ordered to withdraw by Admiral Tovey at 7am 2 hours before the final battle began.
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  2763. Another clueless commenter reeling off a pile of made up figures. The RN Home Fleet and units of the Mediterranean Fleet were mobilised to search for and corral a small fast enemy task force running at high speed to evade pursuers in the target rich environment of the 44,000,000 square mile North Atlantic ocean in the era before satellites, "over the horizon" radars, GPS and even comprehensive air coverage. Once Bismarck had been stopped from running away, she was decapitated, declawed and converted into 51,000 tons of flaming scrap metal by just TWO British battleships.
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  2764. Then read the info under the video, and then get your wallet out to watch the second half. Or just watch some FAR better ones for free here on YT.
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  2765.  @jimmylight4866  Not entirely true Jimmy. My father, was a stoker 1st class onboard the Royal Navy heavy cruiser HMS Dorsetshire during the Bismarck saga. He witnessed the smoking wreck of Bismarck under heavy fire on the morning of 27th May 1941 and subsequently took part in the rescue of 85 survivors after its sinking...... that is unless he was lying to me all his life. There's having healthy scepticism on a matter (which I believe is often a good thing), and then there's being utterly and totally deluded and denying facts attested to by 1st hand eyewitnesses and survivors of the encounter.
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  2766.  @jimmylight4866  Well 15000ft under the Atlantic at least.
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  2767. I've read in a couple of survivor accounts that a suggestion onboard was to remove one of Bismarck's hangar doors, and using the aircraft crane to position and weld it on the starboard side of the hull to try to counter act the damaged rudders, but even in the desperate situation that Bismarck found herself in the suggestion was seen by the Fleet Staff as a near impossible to execute "flight of fancy".
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  2768. They were shadowing the German ships at extreme range. To close two high speed warships in a stern chase would have been a long and dangerous affair.
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  2769. Those early few minutes of achieving a reliable firing solution were wasted on the wrong target... with calamitous effect.
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  2770.  @Alex_Bowman  In Germany too.... I've yet to see a book from the last 50 years that refers to her as "Der Bismarck" as opposed to "Die Bismarck".
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  2771. Daffodil
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  2772. Ad-blockers are your friend. I prefer ublock origin.
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  2773. Then read the info under the video, and then get your wallet out to watch the second half. Or just watch some FAR better ones for free here on YT.
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  2774.  @AdamCKA  But it did get lucky?
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  2775.  @Davidwobert  Hello David. On the memorial list of those who died aboard the Hood on 23rd May 1941 are the names "Thomas John" & "Frederick Johnson" although neither of them are listed as a chief stoker. Would either of those two gentlemen be your grandfather?
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  2776. Remember that the commanders on the spot did NOT have a realtime plan view map of each others dispositions. Norfolk and Suffolk (who were the only source of positional information at the time) temporarily lost contact with Bismarck / PE in the early hours of the 24th May, and through necessity they were astern of the Germans. The point of potential inteception, or indeed if there even would be an interception, was very much in doubt. Holland had been racing into position to "cross Bismarck's T ", but after the unfortunate loss of contact by the cruisers even a small change of course by the Germans would have made a huge difference in any eventual interception situation. Holland even sent his accompanying destroyers on a sweep to the north to try to reestablish contact with Bismarck which they failed to do, and consequently they too were "out of position" when the interception was finally achieved. When contact was eventually remade, and the Denmark Strait encounter was about to begin, the Norfolk/Suffolk and destroyers were still in a chasing position, and consequently had a very slow closing speed in relation to Bismarck / PE who were steaming at high speed. Norfolk did manage to loose off a few salvoes near the close of the encounter, but they fell hopelessly short.
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  2777. I had a twix 3 days ago, but admittedly it was in the privacy of my own home, though I was visible through my front room window if someone passed by.....
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  2778. Hood mistakenly directed its first 4 or 5 salvoes at Prinz Eugen, after zeroing its salvoes to straddle PE it realised its mistake and had to start again, but this time on the correct target Bismarck, unfortunately before it zeroed in on Bismarck the fateful magazine hit occured.
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  2779. Why pay for something that is covered in far greater detail in videos such as this one? https://youtu.be/n69kV4gVoDw
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  2780. The Kriegsmarine had ordered two in 1936, only one of which was ever laid down. She was named the "Graf Zeppelin" and although close to completion at the start of WW2, the nazis did not bother to finish her as they correctly assessed that she wouldn't have lasted more than a week or two if she had been sent into the Atlantic.
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  2781. Read the "info panel" underneath the video, and then get your wallet out. Or watch any number of equally good and sometimes much better "Bismarck" videos here on YT.
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  2782. Read the info UNDERNEATH the video window.
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  2783. Do you mean Andrew Choong? He's a VERY capable naval historian and a great communicator. I couldn't care less WHO narrates, as long as they are balanced, know their historical "onions" and have a passion and fluency about their delivery.
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  2784.  @JamesRichards-mj9kw  And unicorns defecate stardust. Got any other unrelated fantasies you'd care to share with us?
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  2785. Tirpitz simply by its existence caused the British FAR more problems than the short ineffective sortie by Bismarck. If Bismarck AND Tirpitz had BOTH remained as a "fleet in being" then the headaches for the British would have doubled.
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  2786. Install an adblocker....
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  2787. Ad-block...ublock origin is my choice, easier and better on PC than android. Another good reason to view the internet on a PC.
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  2788. Chill ya beans.... if it happens it happens. As long as the first nukes hit Klaus Schwab and the Davos HQ of the WEF then I'm all for it.
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  2789.  @dovetonsturdee7033  So let me get this right...Virtually EVERYTHING said by the OP is completely incorrect?
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  2790. Unsuprisingly arms manufacturers and industrialists LOVE a good war, its VERY good for their bank balances, and strangely enough NONE of their family members end up in the front line facing the fire.
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  2791.  @Alwayswatchin2534  "The armour belt kept integrity"? https://youtu.be/9xX8XGMMXhE?t=3887
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  2792. Watch this https://youtu.be/9xX8XGMMXhE?t=3887 which is a documentary that covers the 2003 expedition by one of the world's foremost marine recovery and forensics companies to carry out the most detailed & thorough survey of the wreck of the Bismarck to date. See what one of the world's top naval architects who is also a renowned expert in marine forensics (Bill Jurens), a world leading maritime wreckage investigation and recovery expert (David Mearns, one of the senior directors of the expedition company) and a preeminent professor in the academic world of naval military history (Eric Grove) have to say about the condition of Bismarck as she sits on the seabed, and who was responsible for her sinking, but of course you're free to subscribe to the conclusions drawn by a Hollywood film director if you must.
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  2793. "The British and their colonial record"? Are you Portuguese Luis? You are aware that Portugal also had an imperial empire, as did EVERY European power? The British empire was so good though that even after its fall it STILL maintained cordial relations with its former colonies who were happy to remain a part of the British commonwealth.
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  2794. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhOH2wTU3Nc
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  2795. When will you pay attention and install an ad-blocker?
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  2796. Console yourself Steve that there are many fine (and a few not so fine) documentaries that cover this epic tale available for free on YT. Here are a few of my favourites. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n69kV4gVoDw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my3oaSqfIEU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuG4qFXPMmk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2_9bHi_wh4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xX8XGMMXhE
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  2797. Can't you differentiate between a person's individual faux pas and the educational standard of a national population?
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  2798. HMS Ark Royal's Fleet Air Arm swordfish torpedo bombers made the vital attack that stopped Bismarck from running for her life, but they did not sink her... that was mostly down to many many tons of Royal Navy steel and explosive.
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  2799. Read the info underneath.... then get your wallet out.
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  2800. No it clearly states underneath "Watch Part 2 by signing up to History Hit! "
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  2801. Rising prices are solely a result of globalist "multi national corporation" greed. This current disgrace has NOTHING to do with the old "wages rise - prices rise" inflationary cycle (well do YOU know anyone getting a 20-30% pay rise?), and EVERYTHING to do with the globalist WEF's mantra of "you will own nothing and you will be happy". Remember WE'VE got to be "carbon neutral" while the elites carry on jetting, helicoptering, and cruising their way round the world. They want us using a LOT less fossil fuel, but if we do that, THEIR income disappears. The Answer? Whack the price right up to the max, using any number of fallacious excuses for doing so, and the end result is we use less, they continue to reap in their billions.
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  2802.  @scottcrew5705  Both words were used ironically, as if sinking your own sole means of life support to "deny your enemy satisfaction" was foremost in the minds of any of Bismarck's terrified and beaten crew. Laughable idea if it wasn't so tragic.
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  2803.  @scottcrew5705  Do you think that any scuttling actions were the Bismarck's crew attempt to spoil the RN's "fun"? You think men are going to sink the only thing keeping them from drowning, covered in fuel oil on a storm tossed sea, to "spite" their enemy? Hmmmm
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  2804.  @scottcrew5705  Imagine the ignominy of being forced to commit suicide in front of your enemy.
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  2805. Not before being converted into a flaming mountain of sinking scrap metal by the Royal Navy.
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  2806. Is that so? Wow !!!!
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  2807.  @rrrado1  Likewise, that Poles refer to ships as "he" is good for me to know. Thanks for that info.
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  2808.  @rrrado1  Radi, it honestly doesn't matter how the ship is named. Read any books about Royal Navy ships such as HMS Nelson, Rodney, Hood or Prince of Wales. They're ALL named after men from British history, but the ship itself is always refered to as a "she". Where the discussion about Bismarck arises is because her Captain, Ernst Lindemann, on first boarding and inspecting her during her construction decreed that "A ship so powerful could not be considered as feminine" and so ordered that in future her crew would refer to Bismack as a "he", But Lindemann's comment that Bismarck could not possibly be considered to be feminine shows that it was (and still is) customary for English and German language speakers to use the feminine pronoun (She / Die) when talking about ships in general. Hope that helps Radi. All the best.
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  2809. "She" always was a "she" to English (and most German) speakers.
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  2810. You seem to have overlooked that the nazis had MORE than their own fair share of luck.
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  2811.  @anonymusum  The RN wasn't fighting against a battleship seeking battle, it was fighting against a greyhound of a ship running at high speed in the 44,000,000 square mile North Atlantic in the era before satellites, over the horizon radar, GPS and even comprehensive air coverage. You're being a silly boy suggesting that it needed half the RN to sink her. It needed the RN Home Fleet and units of the Mediterranean Fleet to corral and stop her from running away, but just 2 battleships and cruisers to put her under when that had been done.
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  2812.  @anonymusum  Apart from her damaged rudder, shortage of fuel and her radar which she had disabled herself, Bismarck's gunnery, propulsion and other systems were in 100% condition at the start of the final battle. Once she had been stopped from running away it took just HMS Rodney, KGV and two cruisers to shred her.
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  2813.  @anonymusum  No I'm EXCELLENT at maths, I think its you who struggles with historical facts. Tell me which 4 battleships were needed to sink Bismarck on the 27th May 1941.
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  2814. Get your wallet out and pay for the second half as it states in the info underneath the video.
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  2815.  @christophercohen8712  What's the weather like on your planet today?
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  2816. No just the RN Home Fleet and a small number of ships from the Mediterranean Fleet. Which comprised about 30% of the RN total establishment. You seem to imagine opposing forces in wartime should be somehow "balanced" & "fair". It seems you've not heard about how the nazis REPEATEDLY launched massively overpowered & unannounced attacks on her unprepared and unsuspecting neighbours, or how the USN fielded 330 ships & 1500 aircraft against the IJN's 63 ships & 300 aricraft at the battle of Leyte Gulf. Suppose neither of those facts are anything to be proud of either?
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  2817. A poor, simplistic appraisal of Hood's capabilities.... more reading required on your behalf. Hood was a VERY capable, but aging ship, designed at a time when gunnery technology was less developed, and sorely in need of the modernisation that was planned for her later in 1941. A lucky strike sealed her fate.
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  2818. Get your wallet out.
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  2819. Having never used EITHER syetem of rangefinding, my assessment of the two types of rangefinder, stereoscopic Vs coincidence, from years of reading seems to suggest that the former were very good at QUICKLY getting the guns on target but due to the heavy eye strain of using it meant that accuracy tended to drop after a relatively short period of time, The "coincidence" rangefinders of the RN, were initially slower to gauge the range but easier to maintain the ranging once hits were achieved.
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  2820. HMS Barham, torpedoed by U-331 in the Mediterranean on 25th Nov 1941. 862 men were killed.
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  2821. Read the info below the vid.
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  2822. You've obviously not read the information under the video. If you want the full story get your purse out and pay for it..... OR view any of the other, and quite often better, Bismarck videos available for free on YT.
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  2823.  @invictinus  Well responded invictinus. I too wish you all the best.
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  2824. Read the info under the video... "Watch Part 2 by signing up to History Hit! Use the code 'TIMELINE' and get 50% off! "
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  2825. You have to pay "timeline" money to see the second part where Bismarck gets ground into the sediment at the bottom of the Atlantic.
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  2826. Just to correct some of the errors in your post, Bismarck sank as a direct result of the actions of the Royal Navy. Also while Royal Navy battleships did have to make sacrifices to keep within the international inter-war naval treaties armour was NOT one of the things sacrificed. Both the British "Nelsons" and "KGVs" had heavier armour in a more efficient scheme that the German Bismarcks.
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  2827. Unfortunately this is part 1 of 2, which means that it concludes with the Denmark Strait engagement. If you want to watch Bismarck's fate, you're gonna have to cough up some cash. Such is life.
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  2828.  @tommyjr.150  I'm afraid you don't understand the law. It clearly differentiates between a single act that would not normally and reasonably be expected to result in the death of an individual, and a repeated act that would most definitely result in very serious injury and quite possibly death.
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  2829. Its very different to punch someone once, who then falls over, fractures his skull and dies from the injury, as opposed to hitting someone repeatedly about the head and shoulders with a baseball bat. If it was the other way round, and Jacob (the white man) had baseball batted someone, and Ofill (the black man) had one punched someone, they would both have received the sentence relevant to their actions. If you can't see the difference, maybe you've been hit over the head too?
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  2830.  @scottforsythe37  How do you know how you'd react if two men armed with baseball bats are approaching you in a menacing way?
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  2831. What about if some unhinged, vengeful woman falsely accuses YOU of rape, and her friend comes round and beats YOU to death.... Would you still be happy then?
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  2832. I remember back in the late 1990s going on a full guided tour of U-534 (pre-vandalisation) when it was still in one piece next to the "Spillers" flour mills. The whole trip was a fascinating experience (Not many people can say nowadays that they have stood on the bridge of a type IX U-boat... well "health and safety" hadn't yet reached the ridiculous lengths it has nowadays) and I still drink out of the U-534 mug that I bought from the gift "portacabin". One thing that sticks in my mind in particular was that when we inside the boat making our way through each of the internal compartments, was that although the vast majority of the internals of the sub were either rusted or rust stained, in each compartment there was a clearly defined area near the compartment roof above which the original paint finish could be clearly seen, I realised it was where trapped air had prevented the seawater from corroding the paint & steel. The sudden realisation of its significance was chilling as I thought of the hundreds of thousands of men who had been trapped onboard sinking vessels during the war, who must have fought for their last, dying breaths with their faces pressed into such air pockets, before they finally succumbed to hypothermia, or more likely asphyxia.... such was the grim reality of war away from the recruiting posters and blaring fanfares. But on a more pleasant note, its absolutely fantastic to hear that there are still people who care enough to preserve what remains of her for future generations, I remember signing a local petition to stop U-534 being cut up, but as you can see it had the effect that most petitions have, I.E none. I'm just sorry I no longer live in Liverpool as I would be offering my services in whatever capacity was needed to take part in such a worthy undertaking. I sincerely wish them all the best. P.S For anyone watching the video, the torpedo shown at 25:11 is extremely rare, being one of possibly only three remaining original G7es T11 "Zaunkonig II" acoustic homing torpedoes left in the world.... and wouldn't you know it Wirral borough council are clueless enough to leave it rusting away outdoors, the cretins.
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  2833. The surface displacement is when the sub's ballast tanks are empty making the boat lighter and therefore enabling her to float. The submerged displacement is when the sub's ballast tanks have been flooded with surrounding seawater, thereby making her heavier and less bouyant, this loss of positive bouyancy is what does the major part of putting the sub beneath the surface, the hydroplanes by themselves could never keep the sub underwater, even at her "blistering" top speed of just under 8 knots submerged. So to answer your question, the "submerged displacement" will always be heavier than the "surfaced displacement". All the best.
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  2834. A lot of 23 year olds nowadays have difficulty wiping their own bottoms without getting it in their hair. Imagine the calibre of the young men sent out in command of a U-boat in 1945.
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  2835. What's that got to do with the price of fish? Iowa wasn't commisioned at the time of these events, you may as well state that USS Nimitz was over twice as heavy as Bismarck.
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  2836. My father was onboard HMS Dorsetshire from June 1940 until 1pm on Easter Sunday April 5th 1942 when she was sunk by Val dive bombers from Zuikaku during the Indian Ocean Raid. After the sinking of HMS Dorsetshire and Cornwall there were 1100 survivors in the water from a combined complement of just over 1500 men. Dad recalled that after the sinkings, one or two of the dive bombers machine gunned the men in the water, but that he clearly saw one of the bombers sweep past at low level with its hood open and a heavily moustachioed pilot who waved to the men in the water before departing. He always said that if the Japanese spotter aircraft from the cruiser "Tone" had been able to shadow the two RN cruisers for another 2 hours, and the Val bombers has been able to follow, that they would have wiped out the RN Eastern Fleet "force A" battleships the cruisers were meant to be rendezvousing with and caused MAJOR knock on problems for the RN across the globe.
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  2837. A good, concise appraisal, thank you for that.
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  2838. Belli Dura Despicio "I despise the hardships of war".
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  2839. My father was a stoker on HMS Warspite, luckily he was "off watch" from the boiler rooms when she was hit by 2 glider bombs one of which blew a hole through her boiler room keel off Salerno in 1943.
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  2840. My father served on her as a stoker during WW2. Using one of his "nine lives" at Salerno in 1943, he was "off watch" from her boiler rooms when she was hit abaft her funnel and near missed by another "Fritz X" glider bomb. She was towed to Malta for repairs, but not before breaking free from the tugs towing her and sailing SIDEWAYS through the Straits of Messina. That she was not saved post war in whatever capacity, is to this day a complete disgrace.
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  2841. Why "theatrical"? What do you believe would happen?
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  2842. It unsurprisingly looks like a Scottish saltire, though it is more likely a signal flag, the blue saltire denoting the letter "M" or the signal "ahead" in the signal flag system.
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  2843. I did likewise, but most of mine perished in the largest naval battle of the 1970s..... in our back garden under countless salvoes of air rifle fire.
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  2844. All the gun magazines close together... less armour required to protect them and more weight saved... like the saving in bricks between detached and semi detached houses.
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  2845. "easy to steal"... nonsense. The Prewar Polish decipering efforts which came to fruition in 1937-38 were largely derailed when the Germans introduced a further 2 differently wired rotors to the system. It took a GREAT amount of effort to CAPTURE a complete set of rotors from the German forces.
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  2846.  @dovetonsturdee7033  Good grief !!! That video must've slipped off my lists somehow !!! It's back on there now, looks like PLENTY of material to be getting on with. Thanks for the "heads up".
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  2847.  @dovetonsturdee7033  Obviously a young blustering lad, flexing his keyboard muscles. If you met him in real life he wouldn't say boo to a goose.
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  2848.  @jameshenderson4876  I've obviously made a mistake. The other "James Henderson" who I often cross swords with in various comment sections, while a deluded nazi fanboi, has not yet shown himself to be an irate, rude, ignorant little prick like yourself. My bad.
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  2849.  @DiePinky  Oh make no mistake, I've no regrets in insulting maladjusted little trolls, who dismiss and belittle the deaths of others, then double down on their initial crass misanthropy to insult those who they've irritated. That added to your penchant for weird Japanese kiddy cartoons that sexualise young children all adds up to a tawdry little package, doesn't it? If I have upset or hurt your feelings inspite of your "keyboard warrior" bravado, thats ok with me. If you ever develop into a mature adult, what you might take away from this delightful exchange we've had is, if you show respect to others, you tend to get it shown back to you. Its a building block of civilisation. Ignore it to your own cost.
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  2850.  @DiePinky  I've got no qualms about insulting crass, nasty little dick-splashes like yourself who rejoice in the deaths of others. It's abhorent behaviour, added to that your penchant for weird japanese kiddies cartoons that sexualise children, it all adds up to a tawdry little package doesn't it? You hateful, maladjusted little tick.
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  2851.  @DiePinky  Your attempt to sound intelligent fell as flat as the line that traces your success with the opposite sex. All that pent up, never to be fulfilled, sexual longing just spills out as bullshit and bile. God I pity you.
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  2852.  @DiePinky  I'm not crying in the least kid... the ingrained bitterness of your comment makes me pity you for your empty future existence in your mummy's back bedroom. Weep harder little one.
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  2853. Tovey on the night of the 26th / morning of the 27th played Bismarck like a Stradivarius. Masterful engagement.
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  2854. https://youtu.be/2KPAPHW_EkA&t=2045
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  2855. After rescue by HMS Dorsetshire (86) and HMS Maori (25) the survivors were then taken back to the UK, and landed at Newcastle upon Tyne on the 3rd June 1941. From there the officers were seperated and taken to Trent Park house in North London for interogation, the other ranks were housed in POW camps in Northern England for a few months. They where all eventually transported to Canada where they were housed together in the Canadian POW camp at Monteith, Ontario. At the end of WW2, they were repatriated to Germany, but over the following years, more than a few of them who originally came from what was then communist East Germany emigrated from west Germany with a number going back to Canada, such was the kindness with which they had been treated there. It is a pity you cannot remember the name of the gentleman you met, as there is now a series of books by a German author named Malte Gaake which details the lives of all 116 survivors who were picked up after Bismarck's sinking.
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  2856. Well something had to give with the Rodney, she had the armour, she had the firepower, but they couldn't shoehorn in the necessary propulsion and still stay within the WNT limits !!! Unlike the Germans, we did our level best to abide by our treaty obligations.... And they called us "perfidious Albion" !!! P.S "Ludo" was aboard the tribal class destroyer, HMS Tartar at the time of the Bismarck episode.
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  2857. "Sorry about the kippers"
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  2858.  @dovetonsturdee7033  Globalists look after their own Doveton...feck everybody else, but look after their own.
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  2859. My chidhood "airfix" ships usually succumbed to a volley of air rifle fire from my mates and myself in the back garden...... Bismarck's belt armour was TOTALLY ineffective against those .177 pellets.
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  2860. "Would've" or "would have" given in the manner of friendly advice...not being a grammatical smart arse.
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  2861.  @PhilipLeitch  I fully understand that hydrodynamics is a complex subject, at a very basic level its easy to understand that an elongated teardrop shaped object with the point at the top, will sink with less surface disturbance that a large flat horizontal surface. Without getting into convoluted arguments, quite simply a blanket statement saying "its impossible" is utter nonsense. Currents created during the submergence of a body are chaotic, on a small scale this "chaos" is too small and transitory to be closely studied without scientific equipment, but can be illustrated on a small scale by submerging a flat object with a drop of food dye in water within a transparent container. It's also illustrated by the fact that every year a number of people are drowned in relatively shallow water by stratified horizontal water currents such as undertow and riptides. Whether you accept my statement above or not, there are also many first hand accounts of sailors who have been drawn underwater, and been fortunate enough to resurface before drowning. This one for example.... https://youtu.be/n69kV4gVoDw?list=PLWTUoEsRSnZUIjwdyIPbCM3HuG22gNeK5&t=2170
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  2862. She didn't have enough submarines to do that... she started WW2 with just 36 submarines many of which were only coastal types, and only a third of which would be on operations at any time.
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  2863. My father was onboard HMS Dorsetshire during these events, and took part in the subsequent rescues of the Bismarck survivors. A year later he survived Dorsetshire's own sinking by Japanese dive bombers by clinging to wreckage for 33 hours before rescue, He then served aboard HMS Warspite at Salerno and was onboard when she was struck by German Fritz X guided bombs. At his funeral in July 2013 I couldn't help but think of the sentiment of Rutger Hauer's monologue from the film "Blade Runner", where he begins his "swansong" with the line "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe".
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  2864.  @dovetonsturdee7033  P.S Just read its wiki entry, can't believe it was credited with bringing down 2 bombers (shurely not!!!) Seems another another stopgap weapon from the same stable as the Northover projector and Blacker bombard of the home guard. The doughty British, Resourceful as ever !!!
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  2865.  @dovetonsturdee7033  Hahaha, I've not come across that one, But as for the accolade of worst AA weapon of the war, I think the prime contender for the title is the Zippermeyer "turbulenz Kanone", Designed to bring down heavy bombers with coal dust. Even the nazis had their own plethora of awful weapon systems.
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  2866. Here's an EXCELLENT video describing the use of the "unrotated projectile" mentioned in this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW20b5utDv8
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  2867. ~2100
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  2868. Luckily for the Bismarck crew the RN put its own men in danger to rescue 111 Bismarck survivors. Something the Kriegsmarine chose not to do when it abandoned 1600 RN sailors to their deaths after sinking HMS Glorious and her 2 gallant escorts on 8th June 1940, instead they chose to sail off without mounting even the slightest rescue effort, inspite of no other enemy ships being in the vicinity.
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  2869. "The only ship that could have fired the torpedoes was the Hood"... is complete wishful thinking. Anyone who can be bothered to investigate will find that at NO POINT were the two sides close enough for Hood's Mk IV torpedoes to reach the position that they were reported by Helmuth Brinkmann's sighting. Where the torpedoes came from is a complete mystery, and potentially a red herring.
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  2870. Nice post...just one small correction. HMS Victorious DID lose 1 aircraft during her involvment with the Bismarck. Victorious's Swordfish were accompanied by one of her fairey Fulmars during their attack on Bismarck. It was the sole aircraft that never managed to return after the attack, and was never seen again.
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  2871. It wasn't.
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  2872. Material of this calibre would never be shown on TV, Its almost wholly for the mouthbreathers nowadays. Love island anyone?
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  2873.  @whiteyaksha7232  My pleasure. :)
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  2874. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g3oJh1qUHM
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  2875. FFS. NURSE !!!!
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  2876.  @littleshep5502  You do not understand the meaning fo the word "literally".
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  2877.  @KatyushaLauncher  Although according to Mullenheim-Rechberg there were multiple crewmembers who volunteered to go over Bismarck's side in treacherous stormy seas the previous day to attempt to place explosives to blow off her rudders, which Lütjens expressly forbade.
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  2878. A sign of character, well done Indra.
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  2879. She was indeed an awesome "bruiser".
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  2880. The globalist powers that own the major TV channels choose what they want the general public to see. They're looking forward to a one world government future, where individual nation states are a thing of the past, and anyway national histories & heritage only feed ongoing international disharmony in their eyes. Therefore they're slowly weening the masses off history. I'm waiting for the day when it starts getting wiped off YT.
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  2881. The edited highlights version or the full version?
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  2882.  @dovetonsturdee7033  Good God almighty !!! I have had an exchange with TheDogGeneral on another vid, but I've somehow missed that torrent that you've pointed out!!! I'm torn between disdain for someone posting such utter nonsense, but at the same time wondering if he has some form of learning disability or has possibly suffered a stroke during your discussion, such is the disjointed manner of his posts.
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  2883. Ensign Leonard "Tuck" Smith, was one of three USN Catalina pilots who were secretly "on loan" to the RAF from the US to familiarise RAF crews with the operation of the 200 Consolidated Catalinas that the British government had purchased from the US. The Catalina being a long range maritime aircraft had a pilot and co-pilot. Smith was the co-pilot with the aircraft commander being RAF pilot officer Dennis Briggs. After 6 hours of their 18 hour flight, Smith had just relieved Briggs at the controls when Bismarck was spotted at 10.10am on the 26th May 1941.
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  2884. Such a pity the US choose to sit out the first 2 years of the war, profiteering from both sides, and bleeding her main global competitor dry as she fought alone to stem the tide of world totalitarianism.
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  2885. Ironically death is part of life. Are you suggesting we studiously avoid discussing matters which involve death?
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  2886. I have headphones and there's NO problem for me... if your ears are tha t sensitive then lower the volume... I don't find much difference between the level of the narration and the level of the sound effects.
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  2887. Intelligent people DO find them laughable, and even in the good ol' days, History channel NEVER had material as informative as this.
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  2888. @Relentless What your jaded agenda meant to say was.... "Without foreign support no WW2 economy could do anything".
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  2889.  @tylerlawrence1997  Well said Tyler, we're agreed.
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  2890.  @tylerlawrence1997  Hood was designated as a "battlecruiser" and originally conceived as such, but she was redesigned partway through her construction, and was commisioned in 1920 with both armour & weapons equal to most contemporary battleships BUT was also 8-9 knots faster than any other battleship of her time.
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  2891. I don't remember USS Arizona being designated as a "battlecruiser"?
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  2892. Same here NIck, my own father was onboard HMS Dorsetshire and witnessed Bismarck being sunk, survived the sinking of Dorsetshire in April 1942, and narrowly avoided death onboard HMS Warspite in 1943. At times through childhood, it felt in our closetted little minds as though we were serving in the RN during WW2 ourselves as he would recall incessantly things that had happened during the war, some truly terrible. It drove us mad, and inevitably we "switched off" to a lot of it. As I grew up and acquired some wisdom and empathy, it dawned on me that at war's end, after experiencing some truly traumatic events, Dad like millions of others was given a "demob suit" and told to "bugger off". They just had to "get on" with their lives with little or no support. It seems obvious to me now that we lived through dad's PTSD and we were his unwitting therapy. We lost dad to dementia in 2013, but fortunately we made our amends before the end, and I spent much time with him in his final years, listening to his tales during his lucid times. Thank god our respective parents "stepped up to the plate" when the call was given. All the best Nick.
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  2893. The "KAN OF ALABAMA WHOOP ASS" was actually a "TON OF BRITISH GRIT".
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  2894.  @thatdude3938  "When separate parts of German crew tried to surrender, Anglos just ignored that and blasted away."...... That's because "surrender" doesn't work like that. When you've personally had enough, and "wave the white flag", does that mean the whole ship has surrendered? No it doesn't. Others in the crew are still prepared to fight and are taking action against you. Undoubtedly its a shit state of affairs, but hey!!! That's war for you. There are, believe it or not, conventions in warfare, and in naval warfare "striking the colours" (hauling down your battle ensign) is the historically understood sign of surrender. It's more than possible that Bismarck's command staff were "neutralised" and unable to order the "striking of the colours", but also equally possible that due to their "post Prussian military Honour" they were unwilling to do so. P.S As for the "more civilized" part, The Royal Navy did attempt to rescue Bismarck's survivors, but their efforts were interrupted by a submarine alert. And before you suggest that "the alert" was made up, the war diary of U-74 clearly records that she was in the vicinity of the Bismarck's last battle.
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  2895. Aye, I'm also a member of the "self preservation society", but when you've been brainwashed right through your teenage years that both you and your country's war machine is by far the greatest, and filled with the vigour of impetuous youth, by the time the "chrome has rubbed off" and the horrendous reality is starting to show through, you're on a steel behemoth in the middle of the North Atlantic with several hundred thousand tons of enemy steel bearing down on you, its too late. There's no safe haven in your own little wooden row boat taking off from the Bismarck into the stormy North Atalntic. As for your grandfather, respects to his service.
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  2896. Its a quality that comes to the fore when a leader knows he doesn't have to micro-manage a situation because he trusts his men and has full confidence in their training, abilities and resolve, and in return the men trust the leader and his judgement. Its a beautiful thing to experience, but alas quite rare.
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  2897. What a shit troll.
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  2898. It's a film lasting 97 minutes that has to cram the flurry of events of a couple of weeks that took place over countless thousands of miles of ocean, carried out by scores of warships and airctraft. There are obviously some inaccuracies, shortcuts and omissions, but on the whole its a fairly concise representation of what passed.
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  2899. In the world of boxing the crew's scuttling efforts are what is known as "throwing in the towel", submission of a boxer when he has been punched senseless by a more powerful opponent, and only a fool would say, "the loser wasn't beaten, he gave in shortly before he was to be annihilated.", when the truth is the loser had his arse handed to him on a plate.
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  2900. TV channels are no longer GOOD ENOUGH for work of this standard. It's why TV, like movies are slowly dying.
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  2901.  @thatdude3938  I'm not the one trying to make out nazis were blameless.
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  2902.  @thatdude3938  Bismarck's intention WAS to sink unarmed merchant ships plying the North Atlantic... maybe you'd feel different if it was your own father/brother/son who was a sailor aboard them ships.
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  2903.  @dovetonsturdee7033  South America does seem to bring out the most honourable aspects of German naval culture... I was always touched by the character of Hans Langsdorff's self sacrifice to save his mens lives. Thanks for that Admiral.
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  2904.  @dovetonsturdee7033  Nice story regarding Spee. WW1 is not my main interest, and I've never stumbled across that, but a VERY enlightening anecdote.
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  2905. The elites need to make their profits somehow !!!
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  2906.  @geoffbarney5914  Seems I missed the other replies above, not that I've missed much, but I'll address your point Geoff. The Bismarck aimed at Hood from 8-9 nautical miles away. A battleship's broadside was analogous to a shotgun "scatter" in that at that range the 38 cm SK C/34 (Bismarck's main armament) had a CEP (circular error probability - effectively the radius of a circle within which 50% of its shots would be expected to fall) of 100m. That means that if 8 of Bismarck's 15in guns fired at a single point 8-9 nm away, 4 of the shells would be expected to land (with completely random distribution) within an ellipse measuring a couple of thousand feet long and just over 200m (660ft) wide, 76% of HMS Hood's 860ft length. The other 4 shots would land even further away from the aiming point. That being the case, how can an individual shell be aimed specifically at a tiny part of HMS Hood's structure, namely the 4in HA magazine, that triggered off Hood's detonation? I'll give you a hint, there's a little clue in my paragraph above....where it says "completely random distribution". A simplified analogy is that if you prop a dartboard up 50 yards away and can consistently knock it over with a shotgun at that range then that is pretty good shooting, just as Bismarck / PE achieved during the Denmark Strait encounter. Now you can "knock the dartboard over" all day long with the shotgun and still not hit the bullseye (magazine) with an individual pellet. As opposed to being a skillful shot by knocking over the dartboard, whether you hit the bullseye with an individual pellet is complete luck and nothing else. P.S Why were the RN facing "half of (Bismarck's) normal armament"? Bismarck's arsenal was FULLY operational on the morning of 27th May, well it was for the first few minutes of the engagement at least.
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  2907.  @simonpitt8145  Hope you haven't been waiting too long to use that "gem" on some unlucky recipient. p.s what was the "point"?
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  2908. "Trood" may not be, but "trod" certainly is !!!
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  2909.  @geoffbarney5914  Not at all, recorded fact Geoff. Not sure what Scharnhorst's inoperable radar had to do with the acuity of DoY's radar?
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  2910. If the Germans had devoted their industrial capacity to producing a fleet able to challenge the RN, then the German army and luftwaffe would have had to carry out their "Blitzkriegs" using bicycles and hot air balloons !!!
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  2911. Where would the German designers fit the timewarp/wormhole generation device?
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  2912. Unfortunately there's NEVER a shortage of kids and unthunkers who are deluded by its surface appeal into pouring cash into such systems to make their "numbers look better"..
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  2913.  @TTTT-oc4eb  More nonsense. I see the wehraboo is strong in this one. Apart from HMS Hood (who as we know incorrectly targetted PE at the opening of the engagment before having to start again from scratch on Bismarck) at Denmark strait, the other 3 combattants ALL scored around 5-6% hits achieved from total shots fired, and despite the RN ships sailing head on into a heavy westerly sea with sea spray as high as the bridge superstructure there was NO outperforming German gunnery. It took Bismarck 5 salvoes to achieve her "bingo" straddle on Hood compared to the inexperienced and untested PoW's gunnery team's 6th salvo hit on Bismarck. The night action (26-27th May) against the 4th Destroyer flotilla, produced NO hits from Bismarck's main or secondary armaments against a sea that wasn't short of targets with British destroyers harrying Bismarck all night long, and equally tellingly not a single shot landed by Bismarck in the final battle. Despite what the data sheets say Rodney and KGV's guns in real life had NO problem penetrating Bismarck's 12.6" belt armour. Read James Cameron's survey which tells of a large number of secondary and cruiser shell gouges and splashes on the main belt, but observed only 2 major calibre hits on the main belt, BOTH of which fully penetrated. The same went for Rodney's hit on the 360mm turret face of turret Bruno. When you talk of Bismarck's "better ROF", you forgot to mention the report from the German AVKS (artillerieversuchkommando (schiffe)) that goes into great detail about "a fault of fundamental significance" that was the unresolved problems with Bismarck's main gun shell hoists (especially those of turrets "Anton" and "Bruno") which had repeatedly led to extended breakdowns with the hoists if they were worked at anywhere near the expected RoF. You have only to look at the gunnery reports of her actions to see that at NO point did Bismarck attain anywhere near this supposed "better RoF". Seem's It wasn't just the KGV class's quadruple turrets that had their problems after all !!!
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  2914.  @TTTT-oc4eb  Suck it up lad... better in firepower AND armour. Bismarck ate RN shit, got spit roasted and died the death of a thousand cuts. 9 days she spent in action and landed a single million to one hit on the enemy..... so much for "superior FC". Hahahaha
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  2915.  @FelipeScheuermann1982  Don't be mistaken Felipe. BOTH HMS Rodney & HMS King George V were superior in both firepower AND armour to Bismarck. Also HMS Prince of Wales inspite of an inexperienced crew and problems with her main guns due to being rushed into service without a "shakedown" period, had already done enough to cause the cancellation of Rhineübung. And far from "running for home" she was again shadowing Bismarck within 25 mintues of withdrawing and after repairing her main guns engaged in a further 2 gunnery exchanges with Bismarck before having to retire to Hvalfjord for refuelling. IF any scuttling actually took place then all that was scuttled was a 51000 ton mountain of sinking, flaming scrap metal. All guns silenced, her superstructure devastated, her main armour belt broken and penetrated in several places, her command staff physically obliterated, internally aflame from end to end, her stern and port gunwales already underwater, a thousand of her crew dead, and further hundreds of her crew already in the water behind her.... All that any scuttling did was to sink her a few minutes earlier than was already happening. In the world of boxing the crew's scuttling efforts are what is known as "throwing in the towel", submission of a boxer AFTER he has been punched senseless by a more skillful & powerful opponent, and only a deluded child would say, "the victor didn't win because his opponent killed himself before he lost.", when the truth is the loser had his arse ripped off by the victor and handed back to him on a plate. Imagine the ignominy of being forced to commit suicide by your opponent?
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  2916. Only after being "spit roasted" by two superior RN battleships.
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  2917.  @TTTT-oc4eb  1. A full salvo of main gun fire from a battleship is analogous to a scatter of lead shot from a shotgun. During the battle of Denmark Strait, the Bismarck aimed at Hood from 8-9 nautical miles away. At that range the 38 cm SK C/34 (Bismarck's main armament) had a CEP (circular error probability - effectively the radius of a circle within which 50% of its shots would fall) of 100m. That means that if 8 of Bismarck's 15in guns fired at a single point 8-9 nm away, 4 of her shells would be expected to land (with completely random distribution) within an ellipse (think of it as a stretched circle, due to the angle of fall of the shells) measuring approximately 200m (660ft) wide, (or to put it another way 76% of HMS Hood's 860ft length), by more than three thousand feet long. The other 4 shots would land even FURTHER away from the aiming point. That being the case, how can an individual shell be aimed specifically at a tiny part of HMS Hood's structure, namely the 4in HA magazine, that its believed triggered off Hood's detonation? I'll give you a hint, there's a little clue in my paragraph above....where it says "completely random distribution". A simplified analogy is that if you prop a dartboard up 50 yards away and can consistently knock it over with a shotgun at that range then that is pretty good shooting, just as Bismarck / PE achieved during the Denmark Strait encounter. Now you can "knock the dartboard over" all day long with the shotgun and STILL NOT hit the bullseye (magazine) with an individual pellet. As opposed to being a skillful shot by knocking over the dartboard, whether you hit the bullseye with an individual pellet is complete luck. 2. Where did you get the "Rodney didn't straddle until her 18th salvo" nonsense from? If you're just going to make complete nonsense up there's no point continuing the discussion. As was recorded in HMS Norfolk's war diary HMS Rodney obtained hits with both her 3rd and 4th ranging salvoes at 08:48. Please refer to "Battleship BIsmarck - A Design and Operational History" (Produced by the US Naval Institute) Appendix "B" Pg 518. 3. A heavy cruiser is neither a capital ship or a "heavy unit" in a firefight against a battleship. Trying to portray an 8" cruiser as a "RN heavy unit" is simply trying to make Bismarck's final drubbing look even more one sided. Even James Cameron's description of Bismarck's battle damage illustrated the point thus "On her main belt was counted HUNDREDS of shell gouges and splashmarks, almost all of which were from secondary and cruiser hits".
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  2918.  @TTTT-oc4eb  "4 heavy units"? You mean two "heavy units" and 2 cruisers with 8" guns. Bismarck scored a one in a million hit on Hood. The RN didn't have that RNG with their gunnery dice rolls, and so had to dismantle Bismarck bit by bit. All guns knocked out by the RN in less than 30 minutes was good no matter which way you choose to look at it.
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  2919. We British could easily have got Swordfish near to Iowa if we so chose... simply by refusing to hand over to the US in 1940 the blueprints for the world's first operational proximity fuse, as well as the British designed cavity magnetron which together were the basis of the US WW2 radars and AA defences. Then send in the swordfish and put Iowa "on the bottom" to join Bismarck.
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  2920. triple screws are a poor choice for that very reason. An immediate 33% reduction in propulsive steering capacity if the rudders fail.
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  2921. "the ship itself was scuttelt anyway and not sunk by hits".... I do love a good fairy story now and again !!!
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  2922. The sad thing is kids enthralled by the money scamming game automatically think they actually know how navies and ships operate. Ah... the cluelessness of youth.
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  2923.  @TTTT-oc4eb  Whats the point of having well protected machinery when your combat ability and command and control structure is wiped out in 30 minutes?
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  2924.  @TTTT-oc4eb  Oh you mean her outdated incremental armour...aye that'll be the reason that Bismarck was converted into a toothless punchbag in around half an hour.
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  2925. The RN in the final battle played to the strengths of Bismarck's armour scheme. Short range bombardment with flattened shell trajectories shredded her upperworks in double quick time, but were unable due to the flat shell trajectories to hit her main armoured deck which was a deck lower than most contemporary battleships and level with her waterline. Longer range bombardment with parabolic shell trajectories would have punctured her armoured deck and wrought more decisive havoc on her. As it was though the RN knocked out all of her combat capability, modified her into a floating target and left her a flaming wreck within 45 minutes.
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  2926. Bismarck had two "flakvierlings" situated on her forward bridge superstructure. The problem was due to the surrounding coaming/bulkhead/handrails surrounding the mounts 80 or so feet up on the bridge superstructure, the double quad 20mm could not direct their fire downwards towards the approaching low flying torpedo bombers. The German naval achitects obviosuly never read page 1 of the "Naval AA defence" handbook.
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  2927. The blame for the sinking of the 3 gallant ships, goes a LOT higher than the Capt of HMS Glorious, Guy D'Oyly Hughes. Search for "operation Paul".
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  2928. Read this, https://www.hmsglorious.com . written by the son of the captain of HMS Ardent.
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  2929. Moosifer "the nothing" has spoken !!!
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  2930. Strange how when the RN was forced to abandon the rescue of Bismarck survivors because of a periscope alert, they are "murderers", but when the nazis do not make even the most cursory efforts to aid 900 drowning RN sailors when no other RN units are present there's no shortage of apologists, excusing their abandonment to awful deaths. You idiots can't have it BOTH ways !!!
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  2931. Any examples? I'll assume you're refering to the "Laconia incident" which happened well over 2 years AFTER these events, and involved the USAAF and not the RAF / RN. Silly nazi sympathisers like yourself need to learn more history.
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  2932.  @RasmusDyhrFrederiksen  I'm not saying that the British Admiralty covered itself in glory during this tragic "balls up", far from it...it did indeed shame itself with its apparent ineptitude, hence why the Admiralty enquiry into the whole episode was not due for disclosure until 2041... But without lowering myself to point scoring over the awful loss of lives and resources during wartime, I can quite easily name dreadful decisions & errors from all navies thorugh the centuries. All the best Rasmus.
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  2933. No more than ANY other navy.
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  2934. Don't fall for the cover story. It is possible that Guy D'oyly Hughes, in the run up to Glorious' sinking, was having his strings pulled from a VERY great height. There are potentially very serious reasons why Glorious had no CAP flying at the time, search for "Operation Paul".
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  2935. Or, more importantly a national memorial for its crew, and those of HMS Acasta and HMS Ardent.
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  2936. It works both ways, we have to listen to foreigners talking shit semi intelligible English wherever we go.
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  2937. No, captured.
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  2938. If "capturing" can be considered as "stealing" does that mean the captured crew have been "kidnapped"?
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  2939. You forgot to mention it was a record shared with HMS Warspite's hit on the Italian battleship Guilio Cesare at the battle of Calabria.
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  2940. My guess is that although in a perfectly stable environment, a widely seperated pair of sensors or lenses would give a more accurate range, but in a practical installation aboard a ship moving potentially in stormy seas and winds, the physical seperation of the two lenses would also introduce a myriad of errors in its observations due to the flexing of the ship's hull and the bending of the masts in the wind.
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  2941. I know.... thats SO passé !!! All the REALLY bright people know the earth is flat.
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  2942. My guess is that although in a perfectly stable environment, a widely seperated pair of sensors or lenses would give a more accurate range, but in a practical installation aboard a ship moving potentially in stormy seas and winds, the physical seperation of the two lenses would also introduce a myriad of errors in its observations due to the flexing of the ship's hull.
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  2943. Are there any impending updates on the efforts to preserve U-534 at Woodside ferry terminal?
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  2944. It really is a simliar case to "Father Ted" & "Dougal", "Prinz Eugen is small..... but Bismarck is farther away".
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  2945. Try and hit a 2m high strip of armour with massive guns even from as close as 4000m away. Rest assured though, she was hit by enough 16in shells hit to rip her upper works to pieces.
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  2946.  @martinschnelle3077  You're arguments are pathetic. I'll just squash your last nonsense as well. First by referring you to the Baron's 1981 personal account of operation Rhineübung.... y'know the book which is states on its front cover that it was authored by "BARON Burkhard von Mullenheim-Rechberg". Strangely I was also best mates with Erich Raeder after WW2, and over a couple of pints in our local pub he confirmed to me that Bismarck had it's arse handed to it by the Royal Navy.
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  2947.  @martinschnelle3077  Just a second "mate". Let me refer to the very front cover of my own 1980 first edition copy of "Battleship Bismarck - A survivor's story", and who was the book written by? Why!!! None other than BARON Burkhard von Mullenheim-Rechberg. You're WRONG again, its actually hard to find a point where you've been CORRECT, still its been fun running rings around you & your piss poor debating skills. Also please detail where I have "managed to f*k up his name every single time and each time differently", that is apart from ONE single typo where I mistyped "hiem" instead of "heim". The STENCH of your desperation is becoming OVERPOWERING !!! It's so rewarding to see how the weak position you started from has fallen away to such nonsense. Of COURSE you met the BARON.... Were you emptying his bins? Or was it in relation to your profession as a "scientist"? Hahahaha what a complete BS merchant you are.
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  2948.  @martinschnelle3077  Just a second "mate". Let me refer to the very front cover of my own 1980 first edition copy of "Battleship Bismarck - A survivor's story", and who was the book written by? Why!!! None other than BARON Burkhard von Mullenheim-Rechberg. You're WRONG again, its actually hard to find a point where you've been CORRECT, still its been fun running rings around you & your piss poor debating skills. Also please detail where I have "managed to f*k up his name every single time and each time differently", that is apart from ONE single typo where I mistyped "hiem" instead of "heim". The STENCH of your desperation is becoming OVERPOWERING !!! It's so rewarding to see how the weak position you started from has fallen away to such nonsense. Of COURSE you met the BARON.... Where you emptying his bins? Or was it in relation to your profession as a "scientist"? Hahahaha what a complete BS merchant you are.
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  2949.  @martinschnelle3077  Just a second "mate". Let me refer to the very front cover of my own 1980 first edition copy of "Battleship Bismarck - A survivor's story", and who was the book written by? Why!!! None other than BARON Burkhard von Mullenheim-Rechberg. You're WRONG again, its actually hard to find a point where you've been CORRECT, still its been fun running rings around you & your piss poor debating skills. Also please detail where I have "managed to f*k up his name every single time and each time differently", that is apart from ONE single typo where I mistyped "hiem" instead of "heim". The STENCH of your desperation is becoming OVERPOWERING !!! It's so rewarding to see how the weak position you started from has fallen away to such nonsense. Of COURSE you met the BARON.... Where you emptying his bins? Or was it in relation to your profession as a "scientist"? Hahahaha what a complete BS merchant you are.
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  2950.  @martinschnelle3077  5. "The ship had nearly one and a half the power and had better hydrodynamics because it was made for speed." I'll admit you're closer to being a "scientist" than you are to being a writer. (though that's not glowing praise as it's just more of your unsubstantiated nonsense, and not very analytical at ALL. I thought a "scientist" like yourself would be burrowing down into specifics, and FACTS and figures, or citing reputable research to back up your claim, rather than ungrammatical meaningless phrases?). Please point me to your "stream of arguments" on how Bismarck was superior to the KGVs? I freely accepted my error (from memory) with regards to the speed issue (which you then desperately attempt to profit from by then spouting incorrect nonsense), but beyond that you STILL haven't described how Bismarck outstripped the KGV's or even the 13 year older Nelsons (again apart from Bismarck's "running away power"). Both the KGV AND the much older Nelsons were equally well gunned and better armoured inspite of being 25-30% lighter. It's called "design efficiency" and in the case of the British was necessitated by keeping within internationally agreed naval limits, something that never hindered the German naval designers. I can fire facts and figures back and forth regarding the ships with you all day, but as in the battle of Denmark Strait a fair percentage of the shots fired by you upto now have been "duds". What "Lies" have I told about Bismarck? I've provided you with FACTS and even highly regarded sources for you to check them against. She had many plainly inefficient design choices, such as outdated incremental armour that saw her quickly shredded as the thinner layers of secondary armour initiated the fuses of incoming British shells causing FAR greater damage than if they had passed through unhindered. As opposed to the fusillade of hits on PoW that did virtually nothing of any real importance with most of the shots passing harmlessly through the largely unarmoured superstructure of her more up to date "all or nothing" armour scheme. Or Bismarck's needlessly duplicated secondary armaments and 4 double gunned turrets that added THOUSANDS of tons of unnecessary weight for no appreciable gain, as opposed to the dual purpose secondaries and triple and quad gunned main turret designs that were then being used by more modern naval designers. Not to mention her triple screw design that IMMEDIATELY saw a full 33% of her engine power consigned to the dustbin when it came to steering with the engines alone. At least the damage to PoW's outboard propeller support could be considered as an unforeseeable though unfortunate eventuality, Bismarck's primary design ignoring the facility her steering by her engines alone seems ludicrous in comparison. Your problem is not people trying to demean Bismarck, but well informed people not buying into the utter fact free nonsense spoken by gushing enthralled nazi fanbois (or "wehraboos" as they've become known in YT threads), as well as the occasional pretend "scientist". P.S With the standard of your posts so far, I'm dubious about you claim of chatting with Baron Mullenhiem-Rechberg (who knows? Maybe you're NOT giving false information for once?), though my own father who was a crewmember aboard HMS Dorsetshire at the time of the Bismarck episode, and as a member of the HMS Dorsetshire association WAS invited to and attended multiple joint reunions with the Bismarck survivors in Hamburg during the 1960s and 70s, and he DID meet and have the honour to include the Baron and many other of the Bismarck survivors amongst his friends and aquaintances.
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  2951.  @martinschnelle3077  My better judgement tells me to leave you in your own little fabricated, fact free, world construct. But I feel a duty to challenge your misinformation in a public forum. (Plus I've just reread the thread, and once again it appears YT has been choosing to miss out some of your posts, which have now appeared). Long experience has shown that people who haughtily announce themselves as "scientists" / "doctors" / "scholars" / <place your own complete BS here> to be amongst the most fact free posters of all on YT, hoping instead to intimidate their co-respondent with some fake air of "expertise" on a chosen subject in lieu of actual knowledge and understanding. That well worn tactic fazes me not ONE little bit. I'm MUCH more impressed with well written, well researched comments which contain a high degree of correct factual information. Your posts to date are somewhat lacking in those regards. (And whats this nonsense about "crappy performance"? The RN finds and tracks a fast ship that never stopped running to avoid contact in the 44,000,000 square mile North Atlantic in the era before satellites, GPS, over the horizon radars or even comprehensive air coverage, and after finding the needle in the haystick, stopped it running away and then dismantled it with 2 superior battleships who tag teamed it and raped it?") Suck it up lad, suck it up !!!! 1. Glad you've confirmed that Tovey's frustration has absolutely no bearing on the matter of Bismarck's armour. (BTW the "British performance" that morning saw 51,000 tons of flaming German wreckage sink beneath the Atlantic.) 2. I contrast your vague "smoke & mirrors" (I.E "a hit in the same area") with my own more accurate and verifiable facts. Resorting to "muddying the waters" to try to win a point is not something an analytical "scientist" would do, is it "mate"? As an example, hit someone on the shoulder with a golf club, then hit them across the throat with the same club, and see which "hit in the same area" has the most damaging effect. (But again, what does your point here have to do with the fact that you weakly tried to pass off nonsense as "fact" in your first post, were politely called out on it, and have since then flailed around wildly trying vainly to score an irrelevant point in return?) 3. At least we can agree on PoW's lack of combat readiness. But regardless of her unpreparedness, the fact remains that an untested and malfunctioning ship crewed by inexperienced men STILL single handedly put the WHOLE of SKL's planning to naught. A wonderful example of good ol' British pluck & improvisation, though once again none of your flailing around on this point has ANYTHING to do with the nonsense of your first post (as do ANY of your further "points"). 4. Dear oh dear oh dear.... After my earlier faux pas I've given you a trial speed of 30.12 knots that I took from the highly regarded "Battleship Bismarck - a Design and Operational History" (ISBN 9781526759757) (pages 35 AND 47), whereas you are citing the trial speed of 30.81 knots attained by TIRPITZ. If you refer to wikipedia there they give 30.01 knots as Bismarck's maximum speed and "Jane's fighting ships" gives the rated speed of the Bismarck class as 29 knots. I give an unbiased top end estimate of Bismarck's maximum speed and you STILL then try to further inflate her abilities by citing incorrect info, in this case from a completely different ship, as your own "evidence". It's just another example, if any were needed, of your own bias and agenda. You're not REALLY a "scientist" are you, "mate"?
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  2952.  @martinschnelle3077  My better judgement tells me to leave you in your own little fabricated, fact free, world construct. But I feel a duty to challenge your misinformation in a public forum. (Plus I've just reread the thread, and once again it appears YT has been choosing to miss out some of your posts, which have now appeared). Long experience has shown that people who haughtily announce themselves as "scientists" / "doctors" / "scholars" / <place your own nonsense here> to be amongst the most fact free posters of all on YT, hoping instead to intimidate their co-respondent with some fake air of "expertise" on a chosen subject in lieu of actual knowledge and understanding. That well worn tactic fazes me not ONE little bit. I'm MUCH more impressed with well written, well researched comments which contain a high degree of correct factual information. Your posts to date are somewhat lacking in those regards. 1. Glad you've confirmed that Tovey's frustration has absolutely no bearing on the matter of Bismarck's armour. (BTW the "British performance" that morning saw 51,000 tons of flaming German wreckage sink beneath the Atlantic.) 2. I contrast your vague "smoke & mirrors" (I.E "a hit in the same area") with my own more accurate and verifiable facts. Resorting to "muddying the waters" to try to win a point is not something an analytical "scientist" would do, "mate". As an example, hit someone on the shoulder with a golf club, then hit them across the throat with the same club, and see which "hit in the same area" has the most damaging effect. (But again, what does your point here have to do with the fact that you weakly tried to pass off nonsense as "fact" in your first post, were politely called out on it, and have since then flailed around wildly trying vainly to score an irrelevant point in return?) 3. At least we can agree on PoW's lack of combat readiness. But regardless of her unpreparedness, the fact remains that an untested and malfunctioning ship crewed by inexperienced men STILL single handedly put the WHOLE of SKL's planning to naught. A wonderful example of good ol' British pluck & improvisation, though once again none of your flailing around on this point has ANYTHING to do with the nonsense of your first post (as do ANY of your further "points"). 4. Dear oh dear oh dear.... After my earlier faux pas I've given you a trial speed of 30.12 knots that I took from the highly regarded "Battleship Bismarck - a Design and Operational History" (ISBN 9781526759757) (pages 35 AND 47), whereas you appear to be citing the trial speed of 30.81 knots attained by Tirpitz. If you refer to wikipedia there they give 30.01 knots as Bismarck's maximum speed and "Jane's fighting ships" gives the rated speed of the Bismarck class as 29 knots. I give an unbiased top end estimate of Bismarck's maximum speed and you STILL then try to further inflate her abilities by citing incorrect info, in this case from a completely different ship, as your own "evidence". It's just another example, if any were needed, of your own bias and agenda. You're not REALLY a "scientist" are you, "mate"? 5. "The ship had nearly one and a half the power and had better hydrodynamics because it was made for speed." I'll admit you're closer to being a "scientist" than you are to being a writer. (though that's not glowing praise as it's just more of your unsubstantiated nonsense, and not very analytical at ALL. I thought a "scientist" like yourself would be burrowing down into specifics, and FACTS and figures, or citing reputable research to back up your claim, rather than ungrammatical meaningless phrases?). Please point me to your "stream of arguments" on how Bismarck was superior to the KGVs? I freely accepted my error (from memory) with regards to the speed issue (which you then desperately attempt to profit from by then spouting incorrect nonsense), but beyond that you STILL haven't described how Bismarck outstripped the KGV's or even the 13 year older Nelsons (again apart from Bismarck's "running away power"). Both the KGV AND the much older Nelsons were equally well gunned and better armoured inspite of being 25-30% lighter. It's called "design efficiency" and in the case of the British was necessitated by keeping within internationally agreed naval limits, something that never hindered the German naval designers. I can fire facts and figures back and forth regarding the ships with you all day, but as in the battle of Denmark Strait a fair percentage of the shots fired by you upto now have been "duds". What "Lies" have I told about Bismarck? I've provided you with FACTS and even nighly regarded sources for you to check them against. She had many plainly inefficient design choices, such as outdated incremental armour that saw her quickly shredded as the thinner layers of secondary armour initiated the fuses of incoming British shells causing FAR greater damage than if they had passed through unhindered. As opposed to the fusillade of hits on PoW that did virtually nothing of any real importance with most of the shots passing harmlessly through the largely unarmoured superstructure of her more up to date "all or nothing" armour scheme. Or Bismarck's needlessly duplicated secondary armaments and 4 double gunned turrets that added THOUSANDS of tons of unnecessary weight for no appreciable gain, as opposed to the dual purpose secondaries and triple and quad gunned main turret designs that were then being used by more modern naval designers. Not to mention her triple screw design that IMMEDIATELY saw a full 33% of her engine power consigned to the dustbin when it came to steering with the engines alone. At least the damage to PoW's outboard propeller support could be considered as an unforeseeable though unfortunate eventuality, Bismarck's primary design ignoring the facility her steering by her engines alone seems ludicrous in comparison. Your problem is not people trying to demean Bismarck, but people with well informed people not buying the utter fact free nonsense spoken by gushing enthralled nazi fanbois or "wehraboos" as they've become known in YT threads. P.S With the standard of your posts so far, I'm dubious about you claim of chatting with Baron Mullenhiem-Rechberg (who knows? Maybe you're NOT giving false information for once?), though my own father who was a crewmember aboard HMS Dorsetshire at the time of the Bismarck episode, and as a member of the HMS Dorsetshire association WAS invited to and attended multiple joint reunions with the Bismarck survivors in Hamburg during the 1960s and 70s, and he DID meet and have the honour to include the Baron and many other of the Bismarck survivors amongst his friends and aquaintances.
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  2953.  @martinschnelle3077  My better judgement tells me to leave you in your own little fabricated, fact free, world construct. But I feel a duty to challenge your misinformation in a public forum. (Plus I've just reread the thread, and once again it appears YT has been choosing to miss out some of your posts, which have now appeared). Long experience has shown that people who haughtily announce themselves as "scientists" / "doctors" / "scholars" / <place your own nonsense here> to be amongst the most fact free posters of all on YT, hoping instead to intimidate their co-respondent with some fake air of "expertise" on a chosen subject in lieu of actual knowledge and understanding. That well worn tactic fazes me not ONE little bit. I'm MUCH more impressed with well written, well researched comments which contain a high degree of correct factual information. Your posts to date are somewhat lacking in those regards. 1. Glad you've confirmed that Tovey's frustration has absolutely no bearing on the matter of Bismarck's armour. (BTW the "British performance" that morning saw 51,000 tons of flaming German wreckage sink beneath the Atlantic.) 2. I contrast your vague "smoke & mirrors" (I.E "a hit in the same area") with my own more accurate and verifiable facts. Resorting to "muddying the waters" to try to win a point is not something an analytical "scientist" would do, "mate". As an example, hit someone on the shoulder with a golf club, then hit them across the throat with the same club, and see which "hit in the same area" has the most damaging effect. (But again, what does your point here have to do with the fact that you weakly tried to pass off nonsense as "fact" in your first post, were politely called out on it, and have since then flailed around wildly trying vainly to score an irrelevant point in return?) 3. At least we can agree on PoW's lack of combat readiness. But regardless of her unpreparedness, the fact remains that an untested and malfunctioning ship crewed by inexperienced men STILL single handedly put the WHOLE of SKL's planning to naught. A wonderful example of good ol' British pluck & improvisation, though once again none of your flailing around on this point has ANYTHING to do with the nonsense of your first post (as do ANY of your further "points"). 4. Dear oh dear oh dear.... After my earlier faux pas I've given you a trial speed of 30.12 knots that I took from the highly regarded "Battleship Bismarck - a Design and Operational History" (ISBN 9781526759757) (pages 35 AND 47), whereas you appear to be citing the trial speed of 30.81 knots attained by Tirpitz. If you refer to wikipedia there they give 30.01 knots as Bismarck's maximum speed and "Jane's fighting ships" gives the rated speed of the Bismarck class as 29 knots. I give an unbiased top end estimate of Bismarck's maximum speed and you STILL then try to further inflate her abilities by citing incorrect info, in this case from a completely different ship, as your own "evidence". It's just another example, if any were needed, of your own bias and agenda. You're not REALLY a "scientist" are you, "mate"? 5. "The ship had nearly one and a half the power and had better hydrodynamics because it was made for speed." I'll admit you're closer to being a "scientist" than you are to being a writer. (though that's not glowing praise as it's just more of your unsubstantiated nonsense, and not very analytical at ALL. I thought a "scientist" like yourself would be burrowing down into specifics, and FACTS and figures, or citing reputable research to back up your claim, rather than ungrammatical meaningless phrases?). Please point me to your "stream of arguments" on how Bismarck was superior to the KGVs? I freely accepted my error (from memory) with regards to the speed issue (which you then desperately attempt to profit from by then spouting incorrect nonsense), but beyond that you STILL haven't described how Bismarck outstripped the KGV's or even the 13 year older Nelsons (again apart from Bismarck's "running away power"). Both the KGV AND the much older Nelsons were equally well gunned and better armoured inspite of being 25-30% lighter. It's called "design efficiency" and in the case of the British was necessitated by keeping within internationally agreed naval limits, something that never hindered the German naval designers. I can fire facts and figures back and forth regarding the ships with you all day, but as in the battle of Denmark Strait a fair percentage of the shots fired by you upto now have been "duds". What "Lies" have I told about Bismarck? I've provided you with FACTS and even nighly regarded sources for you to check them against. She had many plainly inefficient design choices, such as outdated incremental armour that saw her quickly shredded as the thinner layers of secondary armour initiated the fuses of incoming British shells causing FAR greater damage than if they had passed through unhindered. As opposed to the fusillade of hits on PoW that did virtually nothing of any real importance with most of the shots passing harmlessly through the largely unarmoured superstructure of her more up to date "all or nothing" armour scheme. Or Bismarck's needlessly duplicated secondary armaments and 4 double gunned turrets that added THOUSANDS of tons of unnecessary weight for no appreciable gain, as opposed to the dual purpose secondaries and triple and quad gunned main turret designs that were then being used by more modern naval designers. Not to mention her triple screw design that IMMEDIATELY saw a full 33% of her engine power consigned to the dustbin when it came to steering with the engines alone. At least the damage to PoW's outboard propeller support could be considered as an unforeseeable though unfortunate eventuality, Bismarck's primary design ignoring the facility her steering by her engines alone seems ludicrous in comparison. Your problem is not people trying to demean Bismarck, but people with well informed people not buying the utter fact free nonsense spoken by gushing enthralled nazi fanbois or "wehraboos" as they've become known in YT threads. P.S With the standard of your posts so far, I'm dubious about you claim of chatting with Baron Mullenhiem-Rechberg (who knows? Maybe you're NOT giving false information for once?), though my own father who was a crewmember aboard HMS Dorsetshire at the time of the Bismarck episode, and as a member of the HMS Dorsetshire association WAS invited to and attended multiple joint reunions with the Bismarck survivors in Hamburg during the 1960s and 70s, and he DID meet and have the honour to include the Baron and many other of the Bismarck survivors amongst his friends and aquaintances.
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  2954.  @martinschnelle3077  My better judgement tells me to leave you in your own little fabricated, fact free, world construct. But I feel a duty to challenge your misinformation in a public forum. (Plus I've just reread the thread, and once again it appears YT has been choosing to miss out some of your posts, which have now appeared). Long experience has shown that people who haughtily announce themselves as "scientists" / "doctors" / "scholars" / <place your own nonsense here> to be amongst the most fact free posters of all on YT, hoping instead to intimidate their co-respondent with some fake air of "expertise" on a chosen subject in lieu of actual knowledge and understanding. That well worn tactic fazes me not ONE little bit. I'm MUCH more impressed with well written, well researched comments which contain a high degree of correct factual information. Your posts to date are somewhat lacking in those regards. 1. Glad you've confirmed that Tovey's frustration has absolutely no bearing on the matter of Bismarck's armour. (BTW the "British performance" that morning saw 51,000 tons of flaming German wreckage sink beneath the Atlantic.) 2. I contrast your vague "smoke & mirrors" (I.E "a hit in the same area") with my own more accurate and verifiable facts. Resorting to "muddying the waters" to try to win a point is not something an analytical "scientist" would do, "mate". As an example, hit someone on the shoulder with a golf club, then hit them across the throat with the same club, and see which "hit in the same area" has the most damaging effect. (But again, what does your point here have to do with the fact that you weakly tried to pass off nonsense as "fact" in your first post, were politely called out on it, and have since then flailed around wildly trying vainly to score an irrelevant point in return?) 3. At least we can agree on PoW's lack of combat readiness. But regardless of her unpreparedness, the fact remains that an untested and malfunctioning ship crewed by inexperienced men STILL single handedly put the WHOLE of SKL's planning to naught. A wonderful example of good ol' British pluck & improvisation, though once again none of your flailing around on this point has ANYTHING to do with the nonsense of your first post (as do ANY of your further "points"). 4. Dear oh dear oh dear.... After my earlier faux pas I've given you a trial speed of 30.12 knots that I took from the highly regarded "Battleship Bismarck - a Design and Operational History" (ISBN 9781526759757) (pages 35 AND 47), whereas you appear to be citing the trial speed of 30.81 knots attained by Tirpitz. If you refer to wikipedia there they give 30.01 knots as Bismarck's maximum speed and "Jane's fighting ships" gives the rated speed of the Bismarck class as 29 knots. I give an unbiased top end estimate of Bismarck's maximum speed and you STILL then try to further inflate her abilities by citing incorrect info, in this case from a completely different ship, as your own "evidence". It's just another example, if any were needed, of your own bias and agenda. You're not REALLY a "scientist" are you, "mate"? 5. "The ship had nearly one and a half the power and had better hydrodynamics because it was made for speed." I'll admit you're closer to being a "scientist" than you are to being a writer. (though that's not glowing praise as it's just more of your unsubstantiated nonsense, and not very analytical at ALL. I thought a "scientist" like yourself would be burrowing down into specifics, and FACTS and figures, or citing reputable research to back up your claim, rather than ungrammatical meaningless phrases?). Please point me to your "stream of arguments" on how Bismarck was superior to the KGVs? I freely accepted my error (from memory) with regards to the speed issue (which you then desperately attempt to profit from by then spouting incorrect nonsense), but beyond that you STILL haven't described how Bismarck outstripped the KGV's or even the 13 year older Nelsons (again apart from Bismarck's "running away power"). Both the KGV AND the much older Nelsons were equally well gunned and better armoured inspite of being 25-30% lighter. It's called "design efficiency" and in the case of the British was necessitated by keeping within internationally agreed naval limits, something that never hindered the German naval designers. I can fire facts and figures back and forth regarding the ships with you all day, but as in the battle of Denmark Strait a fair percentage of the shots fired by you upto now have been "duds". What "Lies" have I told about Bismarck? I've provided you with FACTS and even nighly regarded sources for you to check them against. She had many plainly inefficient design choices, such as outdated incremental armour that saw her quickly shredded as the thinner layers of secondary armour initiated the fuses of incoming British shells causing FAR greater damage than if they had passed through unhindered. As opposed to the fusillade of hits on PoW that did virtually nothing of any real importance with most of the shots passing harmlessly through the largely unarmoured superstructure of her more up to date "all or nothing" armour scheme. Or Bismarck's needlessly duplicated secondary armaments and 4 double gunned turrets that added THOUSANDS of tons of unnecessary weight for no appreciable gain, as opposed to the dual purpose secondaries and triple and quad gunned main turret designs that were then being used by more modern naval designers. Not to mention her triple screw design that IMMEDIATELY saw a full 33% of her engine power consigned to the dustbin when it came to steering with the engines alone. At least the damage to PoW's outboard propeller support could be considered as an unforeseeable though unfortunate eventuality, Bismarck's primary design ignoring the facility her steering by her engines alone seems ludicrous in comparison. Your problem is not people trying to demean Bismarck, but people with well informed people not buying the utter fact free nonsense spoken by gushing enthralled nazi fanbois or "wehraboos" as they've become known in YT threads. P.S With the standard of your posts so far, I'm dubious about you claim of chatting with Baron Mullenhiem-Rechberg (who knows? Maybe you're NOT giving false information for once?), though my own father who was a crewmember aboard HMS Dorsetshire at the time of the Bismarck episode, and as a member of the HMS Dorsetshire association WAS invited to and attended multiple joint reunions with the Bismarck survivors in Hamburg during the 1960s and 70s, and he DID meet and have the honour to include the Baron and many other of the Bismarck survivors amongst his friends and aquaintances.
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  2955.  @martinschnelle3077  My better judgement tells me to leave you in your own little fabricated, fact free, world construct. But I feel a duty to challenge your misinformation in a public forum. (Plus I've just reread the thread, and once again it appears YT has been choosing to miss out some of your posts, which have now appeared). Long experience has shown that people who haughtily announce themselves as "scientists" / "doctors" / "scholars" / <place your own nonsense here> to be amongst the most fact free posters of all on YT, hoping instead to intimidate their co-respondent with some fake air of "expertise" on a chosen subject in lieu of actual knowledge and understanding. That well worn tactic fazes me not ONE little bit. I'm MUCH more impressed with well written, well researched comments which contain a high degree of correct factual information. Your posts to date are somewhat lacking in those regards. 1. Glad you've confirmed that Tovey's frustration has absolutely no bearing on the matter of Bismarck's armour. (BTW the "British performance" that morning saw 51,000 tons of flaming German wreckage sink beneath the Atlantic.) 2. I contrast your vague "smoke & mirrors" (I.E "a hit in the same area") with my own more accurate and verifiable facts. Resorting to "muddying the waters" to try to win a point is not something an analytical "scientist" would do, "mate". As an example, hit someone on the shoulder with a golf club, then hit them across the throat with the same club, and see which "hit in the same area" has the most damaging effect. (But again, what does your point here have to do with the fact that you weakly tried to pass off nonsense as "fact" in your first post, were politely called out on it, and have since then flailed around wildly trying vainly to score an irrelevant point in return?) 3. At least we can agree on PoW's lack of combat readiness. But regardless of her unpreparedness, the fact remains that an untested and malfunctioning ship crewed by inexperienced men STILL single handedly put the WHOLE of SKL's planning to naught. A wonderful example of good ol' British pluck & improvisation, though once again none of your flailing around on this point has ANYTHING to do with the nonsense of your first post (as do ANY of your further "points"). 4. Dear oh dear oh dear.... After my earlier faux pas I've given you a trial speed of 30.12 knots that I took from the highly regarded "Battleship Bismarck - a Design and Operational History" (ISBN 9781526759757) (pages 35 AND 47), whereas you appear to be citing the trial speed of 30.81 knots attained by Tirpitz. If you refer to wikipedia there they give 30.01 knots as Bismarck's maximum speed and "Jane's fighting ships" gives the rated speed of the Bismarck class as 29 knots. I give an unbiased top end estimate of Bismarck's maximum speed and you STILL then try to further inflate her abilities by citing incorrect info, in this case from a completely different ship, as your own "evidence". It's just another example, if any were needed, of your own bias and agenda. You're not REALLY a "scientist" are you, "mate"? 5. "The ship had nearly one and a half the power and had better hydrodynamics because it was made for speed." I'll admit you're closer to being a "scientist" than you are to being a writer. (though that's not glowing praise as it's just more of your unsubstantiated nonsense, and not very analytical at ALL. I thought a "scientist" like yourself would be burrowing down into specifics, and FACTS and figures, or citing reputable research to back up your claim, rather than ungrammatical meaningless phrases?). Please point me to your "stream of arguments" on how Bismarck was superior to the KGVs? I freely accepted my error (from memory) with regards to the speed issue (which you then desperately attempt to profit from by then spouting incorrect nonsense), but beyond that you STILL haven't described how Bismarck outstripped the KGV's or even the 13 year older Nelsons (again apart from Bismarck's "running away power"). Both the KGV AND the much older Nelsons were equally well gunned and better armoured inspite of being 25-30% lighter. It's called "design efficiency" and in the case of the British was necessitated by keeping within internationally agreed naval limits, something that never hindered the German naval designers. I can fire facts and figures back and forth regarding the ships with you all day, but as in the battle of Denmark Strait a fair percentage of the shots fired by you upto now have been "duds". What "Lies" have I told about Bismarck? I've provided you with FACTS and even nighly regarded sources for you to check them against. She had many plainly inefficient design choices, such as outdated incremental armour that saw her quickly shredded as the thinner layers of secondary armour initiated the fuses of incoming British shells causing FAR greater damage than if they had passed through unhindered. As opposed to the fusillade of hits on PoW that did virtually nothing of any real importance with most of the shots passing harmlessly through the largely unarmoured superstructure of her more up to date "all or nothing" armour scheme. Or Bismarck's needlessly duplicated secondary armaments and 4 double gunned turrets that added THOUSANDS of tons of unnecessary weight for no appreciable gain, as opposed to the dual purpose secondaries and triple and quad gunned main turret designs that were then being used by more modern naval designers. Not to mention her triple screw design that IMMEDIATELY saw a full 33% of her engine power consigned to the dustbin when it came to steering with the engines alone. At least the damage to PoW's outboard propeller support could be considered as an unforeseeable though unfortunate eventuality, Bismarck's primary design ignoring the facility her steering by her engines alone seems ludicrous in comparison. Your problem is not people trying to demean Bismarck, but people with well informed people not buying the utter fact free nonsense spoken by gushing enthralled nazi fanbois or "wehraboos" as they've become known in YT threads. P.S With the standard of your posts so far, I'm dubious about you claim of chatting with Baron Mullenhiem-Rechberg (who knows? Maybe you're NOT giving false information for once?), though my own father who was a crewmember aboard HMS Dorsetshire at the time of the Bismarck episode, and as a member of the HMS Dorsetshire association WAS invited to and attended multiple joint reunions with the Bismarck survivors in Hamburg during the 1960s and 70s, and he DID meet and have the honour to include the Baron and many other of the Bismarck survivors amongst his friends and aquaintances.
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  2956.  @martinschnelle3077  My better judgement tells me to leave you in your own little fabricated, fact free, world construct. But I feel a duty to challenge your misinformation in a public forum. (Plus I've just reread the thread, and once again it appears YT has been choosing to miss out some of your posts, which have now appeared). Long experience has shown that people who haughtily announce themselves as "scientists" / "doctors" / "scholars" / <place your own nonsense here> to be amongst the most fact free posters of all on YT, hoping instead to intimidate their co-respondent with some fake air of "expertise" on a chosen subject in lieu of actual knowledge and understanding. That well worn tactic fazes me not ONE little bit. I am MUCH more impressed by well written, well researched posts that contain a high degree of correct facutal information in them. Your comments are currently somewhat lacking in that department. 1. Glad you've confirmed that Tovey's frustration has absolutely no bearing on the matter of Bismarck's armour. (BTW the "British performance" saw 51,000 tons of flaming German wreckage sink beneath the Atlantic that morning.) 2. I contrast your vague uninformed guff ("a hit in the same area") with my detailed and verifiable facts. Resorting to "muddying the waters" to try to win a point is not something an analytical "scientist" would do, "mate". As an example, hit someone on the shoulder with a golf club, then hit them across the throat with the same club, and see which "hit in the same area" has the most damaging effect. (But again, what does your point here have to do with the fact that you weakly tried to pass off complete BS in your first post, were called out on it, and have since flailed around wildly trying vainly to score an irrelevant point in return?) 3. At least we can agree on PoW's lack of combat readiness. But regardless of her unpreparedness, the fact remains that an untested and malfunctioning ship crewed by inexperienced men STILL single handedly put the WHOLE of SKL's planning to naught. A wonderful example of good ol' British pluck & improvisation, though once again none of your flailing around on this point has ANYTHING to do with the nonsense of your first post. 4. Dear oh dear oh dear.... I've given you a trial speed of 30.12 knots that I took from the highly regarded "Battleship Bismarck - a Design and Operational History" (ISBN 9781526759757) (pages 35 AND 47), whereas you appear to be citing the trial speed of 30.81 knots attained by Tirpitz. Then again if you were to quickly to refer to wikipedia there they give 30.01 knots and "Jane's fighting ships" gives the rated speed of the Bismarck class as 29 knots. I give an unbiased top end estimate of Bismarck's maximum speed and once again you then further try to inflate her abilities by citing incorrect info, in this case a completely different ship as your own "evidence". You're not REALLY a "scientist" are you, "mate"? 5. "The ship had nearly one and a half the power and had better hydrodynamics because it was made for speed." I'll admit you're closer to being a "scientist" than you are to being a writer. (plus its just more unsubstantiated nonsense, and not very analytical at ALL. I thought a "scientist" like yourself would be burrowing down into specifics, and FACTS and figures, rather than meaningless phrases?). Please point me to your "stream of arguments" on how Bismarck was superior to the KGVs? I freely accepted my error (from memory) with regards to the speed issue (which you then desperately attempt to profit from by then spouting incorrect nonsense), but beyond that you STILL haven't described how Bismarck outstripped the KGV's or even the 13 year older Nelsons (again apart from Bismarck's "running away power"). I can fire facts and figures back and forth regarding the two ships with you all day, but as in the battle of Denmark Strait a fair percentage of the shots fired by you upto now have been duds. What "Lies" have I told about Bismarck? She had many inefficient design choices, with outdated incremental armour that saw her quickly shredded as opposed to the fusillade of hits on PoW that did virtually nothing of any real importance with most of the shots passing harmlessly through the largely unarmoured superstructure of her "all or nothing" armour scheme. Or her needlessly duplicated secondary armaments and 4 double gunned turrets that added THOUSANDS of tons of unnecessary weight for no appreciable gain, as opposed to the dual purpose secondaries and triple and quad gunned main turret designs that were then being used by the more modern naval designs. Not to mention her triple screw design that IMMEDIATELY saw a full 33% of her engine power consigned to the dustbin when it came to steering with the engines alone. At least the damage to PoW's outboard propeller support could be seen as an unlikely though unfortunate eventuality, Bismarck's primary design ignoring the facility of steering by her engines alone seems ludicrous in comparison. Both the KGV AND the much older Nelsons were equally well gunned and better armoured inspite of being 25-30% lighter. It's called "design efficiency" and in the case of the British was necessitated by keeping within international naval limits, something that never hindered the nazis. Your problem is not people trying to demean Bismarck, but people with more knowledge not buying a lot of the utter fact free nonsense spoken by gushing enthralled nazi fanbois or "wehraboos" as they've become known as that is posted in YT threads. P.S As opposed to your equally far fetched guff about carousing with Baron Mullenhiem-Rechberg, my father who was a crewmember aboard HMS Dorsetshire at the time of the Bismarck episode, attended multiple joint reunions with the Bismarck survivors in Hamburg during the 1960s and 70s, and he DID meet and have the honour to include the Baron and many other of the Bismarck survivors as friends and aquaintances.
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  2957.  @martinschnelle3077  My better judgement tells me to leave you in your own little fabricated, fact free, world construct. But I feel a duty to challenge your misinformation in a public forum. (Plus I've just reread the thread, and once again it appears YT has been choosing to miss out some of your posts, which have now appeared). Long experience has shown that people who haughtily announce themselves as "scientists" / "doctors" / "scholars" / <place your own nonsense here> to be amongst the most fact free posters of all on YT, hoping instead to intimidate their co-respondent with some fake air of "expertise" on a chosen subject in lieu of actual knowledge and understanding. That well worn tactic fazes me not ONE little bit. I'm MUCH more impressed by well written, researched and most importantly factually correct discussion, which your posts upto now have been slightly lacking in. 1. Glad you've confirmed that Tovey's frustration has absolutely no bearing on the matter of Bismarck's armour. (BTW "British performance" that morning saw 51,000 tons of flaming German wreckage sink beneath the Atlantic.) 2. I contrast your vague uninformed "smoke and mirrors" (i.e "a hit in the same area") with my own more accurate and verifiable facts. Resorting to "muddying the waters" to try to win a point is not something an analytical "scientist" would do, "mate". As an example, hit someone on the shoulder with a golf club, then hit them across the throat with the same club, and see which "hit in the same area" has the most damaging effect. (But again, what does your point here have to do with the fact that you weakly tried to pass off nonsense in your first post, were politely called out on it, and have since flailed around wildly trying in vain to score an irrelevant point in return?) 3. At least we can agree on PoW's lack of combat readiness. But regardless of her unpreparedness, the fact remains that an untested and malfunctioning ship crewed by inexperienced men STILL single handedly put the WHOLE of SKL's planning to naught. A wonderful example of good ol' British pluck & improvisation, though once again none of your flailing around on this point has ANYTHING to do with the nonsense of your first post. 4. Dear oh dear oh dear.... I've given you a trial speed of 30.12 knots that I took from the highly regarded "Battleship Bismarck - a Design and Operational History" (ISBN 9781526759757) (pages 35 AND 47), whereas you appear to be citing the trial speed of 30.81 knots attained by Tirpitz. Then again if you quickly refer to wikipedia there they state Bismarck's top speed as 30.01 knots and "Jane's fighting ships" gives the rated speed of the Bismarck class as 29 knots. I give an unbiased top end estimate of Bismarck's maximum speed and once again you then further try to inflate her abilities by citing incorrect info from a different ship as your own "evidence". You're not REALLY a "scientist" are you, "mate"?... and once again what is the relevance of this point to your original assertion? 5. "The ship had nearly one and a half the power and had better hydrodynamics because it was made for speed." I'll admit you're closer to being a "scientist" than you are to being a writer. (plus its just more unsubstantiated nonsense, and not very analytical at ALL. I thought a "scientist" like yourself would be burrowing down into specifics, and FACTS and figures, rather than ungrammatical & meaningless phrases?). Relevance to your original point? Please point me to your "stream of arguments" on how Bismarck was superior to the KGVs? I freely accepted my error (from memory) with regards to the speed issue (which you then desperately attempt to profit from by then spouting incorrect nonsense), but beyond that you STILL haven't described how Bismarck outstripped the KGV's or even the 13 year older Nelsons (again apart from Bismarck's "running away power"). I can fire facts and figures back and forth regarding the ships with you all day, but as in the battle of Denmark Strait a fair percentage of the shots fired by you upto now have been "duds". Both the KGV AND the much older Nelsons were equally well gunned and better armoured than Bismarck inspite of being 25-30% lighter. It's called "design efficiency" and in the case of the British was necessitated by keeping within internationally agreed naval limits, something that never hindered German naval designers. What "Lies" have I told about Bismarck? I've given you facts, along with widely regarded sources with which to verify them. Bismarck PLAINLY had many inefficient and outdated design choices, such as incremental armour that saw her quickly shredded as the multiple thinner layers of secondary armour activated the fuses of British shells that would otherwise have passed through non essential portions of the ship, and compare it to the performance of PoW's armour scheme at Denmark Strait when the fusillade of hits on PoW did virtually nothing of any real importance with most of the shots passing harmlessly through the largely unarmoured superstructure of her "all or nothing" armour scheme. Or Bismarck's needlessly duplicated secondary armaments and 4 double gunned turrets that added THOUSANDS of tons of unnecessary weight for no appreciable gain, as opposed to the dual purpose secondaries and triple and quad gunned main turret designs that were then being used by the more modern naval designs. Not to mention her triple screw design that IMMEDIATELY saw a full 33% of her engine power consigned to the dustbin when it came to steering with her engines alone. At least the damage caused by the hit on PoW's outboard propeller support could be viewed as an unforeseeable or unlikely eventuality, Bismarck's primary design discounting the facility of steering with her engines alone seems ludicrous in comparison. Your problem is not people trying to demean Bismarck, but well informed people debunking the utter fact free nonsense gushed by enthralled nazi fanbois or "wehraboos" as they've become known in YT threads. P.S The general air of your posts leads me to (possibly incorrectly) treat your "friend of Baron Mullenhiem-Rechberg" as just so much more far fetched guff, in comparison my father who WAS a crewmember aboard HMS Dorsetshire at the time of the Bismarck episode, and was subesquently invited to and attended multiple joint reunions with the Bismarck survivors in Hamburg during the 1960s and 70s, DID meet and have the honour to include the Baron and many of the other Bismarck survivors as friends and aquaintances.
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  2958.  @martinschnelle3077  1. Is frustration under combat stress a measure of naval failure? You haven't read much about operational command in wartime have you? 2. Re-read your OWN post earlier where YOU specifically referred to, and I quote, the "one single torpedo hit to render it nearly useless and with a heavy list" The subesquent torpedo hits on PoW impacted when she was already under a severe list and like HMS Dorsetshire's final 3 torpedoes into Bismarck did not impact on the armoured belt due to that list. (The 2 torpedoes Dorsetshire fired into Bismarck's starboard side hit BELOW her armoured belt, and the final third torpedo she fired into Bismarck's port side impacted on Bismarck's main weather deck, as witnessed by mutliple surveys of the wreck). 3. Standard naval shell fuses of the period initiated as the shell entered the water, hence why the USN and IJN specifically produced "diving shells" with adjusted fuses and shell profiles, the actuation of standard fuses with impact of the water surface was also why some navies used to include a dye in their standard shells so that the resultant coloured fountain of water thrown up by the detonation of the shell as it impacted the WATER SURFACE could be correctly attributed to which firing ship. If you'd like to see the most credible theory for the impact of the killing shot on Hood by Bismarck and why it was in all likelihood NOT a "diving shell" that first travelled through water before inmpacting the ship then this https://youtu.be/CLPeC7LRqIY?t=1969 will help fill in the gap in your awareness. P.S PoW withdrew due to her untested main guns malfunctioning to the point that they were operating at less the 60% of normal efficiency. Which resulted in her with facing 16 barrels with just 6 of her own, though considering that her crew had only been fully established just TEN days prior to the Denmark Strait engagement they had surprisingly well in the circumstances at least enough to stop "Exercise Rhine" in its tracks by herself. 4. Stop over egging Bismarck's pudding YET again. Her top speed during her trials was 30.12 knots with her top speed during Rhineübung being 29 knots. You just can't STOP exagerating with Bismarck, can you? I COULD go on countering your mix of fact & nonsense but I'm becoming growingly aware that I'm getting increasingly bored with explaining your misrepresentations and with your own INCREASING desperate attempts to grasp at straws in a childish "point scoring" discussion.... Just concede that your original assertion and a fair amount of your subsequent bluster is complete "wehraboo nonsense" and I can move away from your inadequacy in peace.
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  2959.  @martinschnelle3077  Once again your post is full of misrepresentations and nonsense. 1. The ONLY reason why Tovey stayed as long as he did inspite of being on "bingo" fuel was to ENSURE the Bismarck was sunk. Which it did.... as a result of British gunfire and torpedoes. 2. Do you actually READ my posts? As I CLEARLY said above, the torpedo that crippled HMS PoW did NOT impact on her armoured belt. It hit the unarmoured support stanchion of her outer port propeller shaft and destroyed it, (The stanchion position was 10-15 meters aft of the aft edge of PoW's small lower belt extension). The destruction of that support stanchion meant that the now unsupported propeller shaft turning at maximum revs then precessed & snaked out of control along its full length and in doing so destroyed ALL the seals and stuffing boxes along its length through to the port engine room, which resulted in nearly a third of the ship flooding because its watertight integrity had been so greivously comprimised in a way that could never have been accounted for. Also the extensive flooding put most of PoW's electrical generation plant offline which meant the floodwater could not be pumped outboard, and counterflooding procedures could not be carried out. As I said above, such a hit would have sunk ANY ship that it happened to. 3.The 15" shell that was found in PoW's double bottom was ONLY there precisely because the shell fuse was faulty. IF the fuse had operated as was intended it would have been triggered as the shell impacted the water OUTSIDE of PoW's hull and would not have penetrated her hull. 4. My mistake. KGV's 28 knots was surpassed by Bismarck's 30 knots. My bad. I'll amend my assesment of the comparison to say. The ONLY aspect of Bismarck that surpassed the KGVs was her "running away power". When she lost that advantage she was decisively defeated in short order. Also when quoting the propulsion plant output remember to qualify it with the respective power to weight ratios of the two classes. Bismarck = 2.944 hp/ton KGV = 2.962 hp/ton 5. "Much faster fire rate". A May 1941 report by the German Artillerieversuchskommando - AVSK (Artillery Testing Command for Ships) stated that the turret ammunition hoists on Bismarck were capable of delivering between 23 and 25 rounds per minute (for all four turrets), the equivalent of 3 rounds per minute per gun. However, this same report stated that design faults in the hoists led to two significant breakdowns during the evaluation, both of which caused long interruptions in the ammunition supply. Finally, it should be noted that Bismarck fired a total of 93 rounds during her thirteen minutes of firing at the Denmark Strait battle, which is actually less than one round per gun per minute. 6. "superior range-finders" debatable. The Stereoscopic rangefinders had already been trialled by the Royal Navy years earlier, who found that while they were capable of more quickly establishing the correct range, they were less able to maintain a consistent firing solution due to operator eye fatigue, hence why they retained their conincidence rangefinders which displayed the opposite characteristics, slower to range but once established provided a more consistent ranging solution. Bismarck's stereoscoping range finders don't seem to have been working very well on the morning of 27th May when she failed to land a single hit on ANY of the 4 RN ships opposing her. 7. While Hood was still sporting her WW1 vintage Mk 5 Dreyer Table FC computer, The Mk IX AFCT (Admiralty Fire Control Table) onboard the KGVs was no slouch as it demonstated when PoW landed the first hit of the Denmark Strait engagement, KGV put shell after shell into Bismarck during her final engagement, as well as DoY doing likewise to Scharnhorst 2½ years later. I'm not sure where you got your "superior electronic-mechanic computing" from but judging by the nonsense you spoke about Bismarck's armour I won't put too much creedence by it. But again ALL of this has NOTHING to do with your original assertion, which was completely groundless "wehraboo" nonsense.
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  2960.  @martinschnelle3077  There is no such thing as "regular armour". Every nation had its own "recipes" for the alloy compositions and manufacturing processes of the various armours it employed, with a large degree of commonality in the various compositions, but also many variations. "Regular" naval armour does NOT exist. The oversimplification of your comment "Bismarck's armor was a little bit different from regular armor" highlights your misplaced simplistic belief that somehow "German armour is special". When it was not. Also you appear to believe that the same armour is used all over a ship, which is NOT the case. Different armours had different performance characteristics which were suited to different applications. For example Bismarck's AA directors were protected by "Wotan Starrheit" composition armour, her decks were composed of "Wotan Weich" and her main belt of a different composition called "Krupp Cemented Neuer Art (New Type)" (or KC n/a) to name just a few examples. When you say that "it withstood a direct torpedo hit", I assume you mean the hit amidships on the 25th May 1941 during the airstrike from HMS Victorious. While the lighter warhead of the aerial torpedo hit did not directly penetrate Bismarck's main belt armour, it DID buckle it and allow a degree of flooding amidships. According to the metallurgical engineer Nathan Okun, a world renowned authority on naval armour metallurgy, the armour that was used for Bismarck's main belt (Krupp Cemented Neuer Art (New Type) (KC n/A)) was no better or worse than the equivalent British cemented armour, the Italian AOD (Acciaio Omogenee Duttile - homogenous ductile steel) armour, or the US STS Class "B" armour, though they were ALL slightly better performing than the Japanese VC (Vickers Cemented) armour, but even that information is HIGHLY simplified as the entire subject of armour metallurgy & performance is EXTREMELY complex. Here, have a read of a SMALL proportion of the late Mr Okun's work for yourself. http://www.navweaps.com/index_nathan/index_nathan.php But suffice to say Bismarck's armour was NOT a peculiar form of "super armour" as can be testified to by the fact that the THICKEST armour on Bismarck, that being the 360mm face plates of her main turrets (which was 40mm THICKER than her 320mm main armoured belt) and which was also built from the same KC n/a armour as her main belt, was such "super armour" that one of HMS Rodney's 16" shells went STRAIGHT through the face plate of Turret Bruno, continued on through the gunhouse that the 360mm plate was supposed to be protecting, then impacted on the INSIDE face of the 320mm thick REAR armour plate of the turret with sufficient force to simply knock the rear plate right off the turret and into the sea beyond (as turret Bruno was trained to port at the time this occured).
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  2961. She was in no condition to be boarded and taken as a prize, plus the RN ships that engaged her were at what Americans sometimes call "bingo" fuel. I.E barely enough fuel to make it straight to port, and would not have been able to tow Bismarck anywhere.
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  2962. The other side of the same coin is that 100% of the major calibre hits that directly impacted the main armour belt penetrated.
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  2963.  @TTTT-oc4eb  Read more YT comments sections... there's no shortage of uninformed children who believe that..... if it's not challenged it ends up becoming "the history" of the future.
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  2964. If the nazis had won WW2 one wonders if the Bismarck survivors would have been put on trial for treason for aiding the enemy in time of war.
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  2965. And at least in turret "Anton" hydraulic power DID fail after the devastating hit on turret Bruno by HMS Rodney apparently damaged the forward turret's hydraulic systems. It was noted that after the hit on Bruno, "Anton's" guns slowly drooped to maximum depression.... and didn't fire again afterwards.
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  2966.  @notsureyou  I have to agree that the book, while being well researched, does seem to lack slightly in the "narrative cohesion" dept. In my mind there are two obvious sources for this, one of which would have been avoidable. It's a problem that appears often throughout the book. The same facts are repeated, but told differently, it appears that each of the authors has made their contributions to the book, and no-one had been assigned to assimilate the joint research & construct a smooth cohesive overarching narrative from it, but such a task would require the wisdom of Solomon and the judgement of a diplomat to keep the authors contented that their research had been well represented. Also the original source material is by its very nature is from many disparate sources. The example of HMS Rodney & Norfolk for instance highlights the principle well. Rodney from her viewpoint sees no hits, but Norfolk from a completely different angle does, and thats from two ships on the same side!!! The accounts from enemy ships as well as confirming many points also totally contradicts others and above all of this is the fact that the individual ship's chronometers were set at different time zones, and none were exactly synchronised as there was no "atomic clock" which all would have been set by, something which is taken for granted now in our internet age, meaning that attempting to build a reliable chronology of closely related events becomes incredible difficult to achieve. So trying to judge relative performances by time alone is fraught with inaccuracies, what is left is individual events and the aftermath.
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  2967.  @notsureyou  You forgot to mention that early on in the final battle Bismarck's main and forward range finders were knocked out followed shortly by her aft station, forcing the remaining aft turrets (Anton and Bruno were both knocked out early too) to fire only a small number of salvoes using their local control before they too were silenced.
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  2968. That qualifies as today's shittest troll.
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  2969. John, one incredibly lucky hit on Hood, and 3 inconclusive hits on PoW. While spending the rest of her 9 day operational career running away from the enemy. So illustrious !!!!
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  2970.  @Hydra360ci  Always remember it is OPTIONAL to watch them..... for some unknown reason YT constantly "recommends for me" anime shit and pokemon. I'm a 56 year old adult who has NO interest in kids games and weirdly paedophilic Japanese niche "art".... not one of them has been watched.
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  2971.  @rebsredone450  Only just spotted your response. "I doubt the German sailors on Bismarck were in awe of the RN" I think you have little understanding of how the final battle went, the horrendous pasting the RN handed out to Bismarck would generate the very essence of the phrase "awestruck" In answer to your question "why all the bellyaching? Why do so many British feel the urge to prove that the RN actually sunk the Bismarck?" The bellyaching originated from the ranks of whinging, whining wehraboos. To not challenge them to authenticate their uninformed assertions lets their nonsense become an accepted part of the narrative. The narrative doesn't need revising, simply because the RN sank the Bismarck, and the German threw in the towel. Simple as. Remember as has always been the case, what's important is not who threw the first punch, but who was left standing at the end. 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
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  2972.  @billy54bob  OK, I thought you were directing it at the CC. Who's probably one of the most informed CCs on naval matters on YT.
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  2973. Who are you accusing of suffering from that?
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  2974. There's no convincing the delusionals though Harry....
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  2975. Mostly because Bismarck's main armour deck was one full deck lower than that of other major warships of its day. Bismarck's armoured deck was sited level with her waterline meaning that incoming shells from relatively close range as was the case in her final battle, and which consequently had flat trajectories were unable to penetrate below the armour deck. That MIGHT seem like a clever design feature, but it also decreased the volume within Bismarck's armoured "citadel" with the result that many of her important systems (her communications system being a key feature) were cited ABOVE the level of her armour deck, and therefore left poorly protected. Which is the reason why Bismarck was quickly reduced to a floating target in her final battle, but remained hard to sink.
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  2976. Britain is a particular target of what I believe is globalist sponsored revisionism. Particularly for our recent decision to tell their "European branch" to "feck off". Its why the global corporately owned energy companies with their global price cartel have decided to ramp up British fuel bills by hundreds of percent.
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  2977.  @charlieb308  Total Rubbish. U-74 reported having British battleships & cruisers in his sight but due to the terrible sea conditions was unable to get into a position to attack them, it was then forced to sit submerged and listen to the battle taking place and surfaced after the departure of the RN surface vessels, as detailed by Kpt Lt Kentrat in his war diary. What is known with certainty is that Bismarck had for the previous 24 hours been transmitting beacon signals on known u-boat radio wavelengths and the scene of the final action was 350 miles (a relative naval stone's throw) away from the Kriegsmarine's Atlantic u-boat bases on the French coast. Was Captain BCS Martin of Dorsetshire expected to gamble the lives of his 750 man crew that it was indeed a dolphin's fin or a broaching whale? Or that if it WAS a u-boat the sub's capt would hold fire while he carried out the rescues? As an RN captain Benjamin Martin would have been SORELY aware of the actions of Otto Weddigen in U-9 during WW1 and his attack on the British Cruisers HMS Aboukir, Cressy & Hogue. I suggest you look up the details of that incident. I may act as if it was 500m away, whereas you act as if it was miles away. The fact is that NEITHER of us know exactly where it was, and NEITHER of us are Royal Navy captains responsible for major units of the RN together with the lives of nearly 1000 sailors. I refer you to the account of Baron Burkhard von Müllenheim-Rechberg, Bismarck's senior ranking survivor who in his book "Battleship Bismarck - a survivor's story" wrote this passage about a discussion he held with Capt Martin, commander of HMS Dorsetshire, after being rescued. "Why," I burst out, "did you suddenly break off the rescue and leave hundreds of our men to drown?" Martin replied that a U-boat had been sighted, or at least reported, and he obviously could not endanger his ship by staying stopped any longer. The Bismarck's experiences on the night of 26 May and the morning of the 27th, I told him, indicated that there were no U-boats in the vicinity. Farther away, perhaps, but certainly not within firing range of the Dorsetshire. I added that in war one often sees what one expects to see. We argued the point back and forth until Martin said abruptly: "Just leave that to me. I'm older than you are and have been at sea longer. I'm a better judge." What more could I say? He was the captain and was responsible for his ship. Apparently some floating object had been mistaken for a periscope or a strip of foam on the water for the wake of a torpedo. No matter what it was, I AM NOW CONVINCED THAT, UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES, CAPT MARTIN HAD TO ACT AS HE DID". (My caps) What's your appraisal of the actions of Kriegsmarine Admiral Wilhelm Marschall who on the 8th June 1940 after his ships Scharnhorst and Gneisensau had sank the British aircraft carrier HMS Glorious and her two escorting destroyers HMS Acasta & Ardent, and despite NO other ships being in the vicinity, then made not even the SLIGHTEST effort to render assistance to over 1000 RN sailors left floating in the Norwegian sea and instead simply sailed away leaving them to their deaths? As opposed to the RN who in hostile waters with KNOWN u-boat activity and on the edge of German airspace stopped TWO ships to render assistance. If the RN had only rescued ONE single German sailor, it would still have been INFINITELY more than the Germans bothered to rescue on 8th June 1940. As it was the RN saw to it that 111 Germans were rescued and then treated extremely well. Or is it only German sailors left to drown who you get all "teared up" about?
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  2978.  @charlieb308  Please Charlie... I hate to see people displaying their ignorance for all to see. German Submarines had "history" for torpedoing ships stopped to rescue drowning sailors. Here are some primers to begin your education.... Go read about Otto Weddigen, U-9 and the RN cruisers Aboukir, Cressy and Hogue during WW1. You say "no German submarine was there" and then "U74 picked up 3 survivors" so which one is it? Submarines present or not?
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  2979.  @michaelhart7569  I'm sure the RN would have received some more gratification if it was not for the fuel situation onboard its ships, plus the suspected (and later confirmed) presence of u-boats in the vicinity.
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  2980. The "disservice to the RN" is that WHOLE reason for all the online wehraboo nonsense. In my book its more humiliating being made to kill yourself by your enemy that to go down fighting to the last.
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  2981.  @brucewilliams1892  Looking at books covering the structure of Bismarck (as well as other German warships) shows a common design choice where the longitudinal frames of the hull do not fully extend to the actual stern of the ship but which instead finish short, the final hull stern section being both bolted and welded into place.
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  2982. Main turrets were not physically fixed to the hull of a battleship but instead the turret with its attached sub structure of shell & powder handling hoists etc were lowered into a large vertical armoured tube called a "barbette". The rim of the turret that was visible on the main deck simply rested on very large roller or ball bearings on the top edge of the barbette and was held in place simply by gravity. As the Bismarck sank, she capsized and her main turrets simply slid out of their barbettes and sank seperately. 3 of the turret structures were found on the seabed near to the hull, the 4th turret its believed to be UNDERNEATH Bismarck's hull which rolled over it as it slid down the side of the underwater mountainside that it landed on. As for the rest of her superstructure, it was so wrecked, shredded and weakened by the terrible barrage that was directed at it in her final battle, that simple hydrodynamic drag as Bismarck planed 15000 ft down through the ocean simply ripped the vast majority of the superstructure from the hull.
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  2983. What surrender attempts? You mean Individuals realising the game is up and wanting to get off the ship? "hold fire lads while these 20 fellers disembark in one of her launches, before we recommence firing"? Is that how you envisage surrender at sea takes place?.... Dear oh dear.
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  2984. There is no denying that "luck", "chance", "good fortune" or however you wish to describe it played a significant part in the destruction of HMS Hood.
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  2985.  @bkjeong4302  I know that the high seas fleet did not want one decisive battle, but due to the percentage losses they suffered at Jutland they never attempted to challenge the RN in the North sea again.
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  2986.  @balazsvarga1823  There was never ANY thought of boarding Bismarck its why the RN had flung so much firepower and torpedoes at her. You tend not to try to hole a ship below the waterline if you intend to board her, on top of which the RN Home Fleet was critically short of fuel, barely having enough to reach port. Before she sank Bismarck was a 51000 ton mountain of sinking, flaming scrap metal. All guns silenced, her superstructure devastated, her main armour belt broken and penetrated in several places, her command staff physically obliterated, internally aflame from end to end, her stern and port gunwales already underwater, a thousand of her crew dead, and further hundreds of her crew already in the water behind her.... All that any scuttling did was to sink her a few minutes earlier than was already happening. In the world of boxing the crew's scuttling efforts are what is known as "throwing in the towel", submission of a boxer AFTER he has been punched senseless by a more skillful & powerful opponent, and only a deluded child would say, "the victor didn't win because his opponent killed himself before he lost.", when the truth is the loser had his arse ripped off by the victor and handed back to him on a plate. Imagine the ignominy of being forced to commit suicide by your opponent?
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  2987. Was it this one James? https://youtu.be/N59MTv4z38A? I've a few more on my playlist.... let me know.
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  2988. On the other hand Kenneth, the vast majority who prefer to let others "do the thinking for them", are the very purveyors of the "groupthink" that the feckers at the top of the ant heap love the great mass of "unthunkers" to follow. Its why we're being led into the current shit state of affairs that is now being foisted on mankind by those at the top.
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  2989. We can't help it if the children want to delude themselves and piss on the RN's party.
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  2990. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xX8XGMMXhE&t=3887s
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  2991. No it isn't. 99% of the none penetrating hits to Bismarck's main armour belt were secondary guns of 5.25, 6 and 8in calibre. The 2 penetrating hits were the only 2 main calibre hits on the narrow main armour belt. I clearly says so in James Cameron's own report.
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  2992. A lot of the wording and composition of the report seems to be written as if to intentionally invite misunderstanding or misrepresentation of the events, such as.... "(A high definition video survey of the visbile hull and main belt) revealed only TWO hits which penetrated all the way through the main side belt armour.....This is an astounding result given the number of large calibre shells fired at Bismarck" Then in the following paragraph "(on the 320mm main armour belt) There are a VERY large number of splash & gouge marks" followed finally by "Most if not ALL of these hits are by SECONDARY GUNS" Thereby giving the erroneous appearance to those with short attention spans that large calibre hits were bouncing off the belt, and handing the wehraboos the oft repeated, out of context, and incomplete snippet that "only two hits penetrated" when those two penetrating hits were likely the only main calibre shells that impacted the main belt. It appears to me that Cameron conciously or subconciously has a bias to his reporting.
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  2993. You forgot to add that while anyone can contribute their information, a small number of "wikipedia preferred editors" can remove and add information at will and ban other IP addresses from doing so at will. MY own pet peeve is "Parsecboy" who believes that German WW2 naval articles belong to him alone, and repeatedly deletes information verifiable by original source material becuase it doesn't fit in with his nazi leaning agenda.
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  2994. Don't mistake a money generating gaming "system" for "real life". As with most MMO's on an otherwise level playing field the only deciding factor is how much money you give to the creator.
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  2995.  @TTTT-oc4eb  Maybe the hits achieved with the 3 & 4th salvoes did not impact near to Mullenheim-Rechberg's station in the aft fire control, and could easily have been masked by the firing of Bismarck's own main armament.
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  2996.  @TTTT-oc4eb  Also don't forget that Bismarck was firing at a target that only she was firing on. The British on the other hand were firing on a target that was being fired at by multiple ships, and a target that was also quickly enveloped in spray from large numbers of near misses and smoke from her onboard fires that for some periods heavily obscured Bismarck and reduced aiming accuracy.
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  2997.  @TTTT-oc4eb  Battleship Bismarck: A Design and Operational History, by Garzke, Dulin, and Jurens. Page 518 Appendix B-1 3rd line down. 3rd & 4th sighting salvoes, hits later reported by HMS Norfolk. If its good enough for researchers at the US Naval institute, I'm happy to settle for it.
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  2998.  @TTTT-oc4eb  Rodney's 3 & 4 partial sighting salvoes fired at approx 08.48 obtained one & possibly two hits on Bismarck as observed and reported by HMS Norfolk. Also HMS Rodney had been escorting the liner "Britannic" to the US as she was herself on course there for repair and Refit at Boston in the USA. She carried a substantially reduced establishment of Petty officers and leading seamen, which Captain Dalrymple-Hamilton later cited as the cause of Rodney's slightly reduced gunnery performance during the final battle. Personally I'd settle for a hit achieved with my 3rd partial salvo as pretty good performance.
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  2999. The continual rash of deluded wehraboos in YT comments ARE more irritating that a tropical skin ailment. I feel Drach's irritation.
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  3000. Make a fact based video backed up with supporting evidence to highlgiht your own anger, and we can comment on that maybe?
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  3001.  @fredmaxwell9619  MY bad, I was commenting that PoW's fire control was not disabled during the Denmark Strait engagement. The HADT (High Angle Director Tower) that was hit WAS put out of action, but this was not the main gunnery fire control, but one of multiple directors for the AA role of PoW's 5.25in turrets.
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  3002.  @fredmaxwell9619  True, but neither of which were out of action for more than a couple of minutes.
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  3003. Hence why HMS Hood was THE proto fast battleship.
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  3004. Easier to hit a ship thats determined to fight, rather than one such as Bismarck which spent the entirety of its short life running at top speed away from the enemy.
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  3005. Don't mistake a "million to one shot" for a "glass jaw".
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  3006.  @wesleyjarboe9571  SO much useless verbiage in your posts Wesley. "IF the bomb went off in the magazine" https://youtu.be/ujquq7IU0uY IF the bomb had NOT pierced the armour plating over her magazines do you not understand that the 50lbs of HE that you correctly detail would not have penetrated through that deck armour? Eye witnesses stated that the detonation happened within SECONDS of the bomb impact.... not a matter of a minute or more after the impact but seconds. A delay between the hit and the detonation would have suggested that fire spread uncontained by the ship being in a non prepared state subsequently reached the magazine. The bomb impact penetrated the deck armour there is NO question about that, as would be expected of a 16in shell impacting at a high angle. But all this is academic, and we have wandered far from the original point of Hood's classification. To head back to it, I'll keep it simple, if a ship has battleship armour and has battleship firepower, and travels at 8-9 knots faster than the rest of her battleship cohort, then I don't care if the British Admiralty called it a "motor torpedo boat"..... it's a "fast battleship". I do not have a rationale for why Hood's designation was not changed after its re-design, possibly to avoid any postwar stipulations within naval treaties that the combattants knew were inevitably going to take place after WW1. Navies always have political considerations to be taken into account (as did all govt depts), such as when the British 1970s "Invincible class" light aircraft carriers were designated as "Through Deck Cruisers" by the RN to avoid government questioning for why such profligate expenditure by the RN was needed. Remember if swims and quacks like a duck, has webbed feet & feathers like a duck... it's a duck.... not a chicken.
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  3007.  @wesleyjarboe9571  YT does have a habit of not notiying me of responses lately. Please don't talk nonsense about "FBI" and "classified information". The details are available in multiple publications that have been in print for many years. Well dodged with regard to my question regarding what caused the sinking or Arizona. Do you honestly think, as a highly trained "USN damage control operative" that whether a ship was at "battle stations" or not is going to make the SLIGHTEST amount of difference to its survival when a main magazine detonates? We were discussing the effectiveness of the armouring of the two respective ships. Whether Arizona was buttoned up or not, that 16in shell/bomb was going to penetrate her deck armour and down to her 2nd magazine, so I repeat does that invalidate Arizona of being worthy of the classification of a "battleship"?
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  3008.  @wesleyjarboe9571  Yes, admittedly my comparison of Hood to Arizona is somewhat comparing "apples with oranges", considering the 5 inches of thick faced MNC armour that Arizona had over her magazines... which proved incapable of preventing the penetration of that single Japanese bomb. Also USS Arizona sounded "General Quarters" at least FIVE minutes before the commencement of the air attacks, AMPLE time for her crew to "batten down the hatches". What, in your expert capacity as one who has received US Navy damage control training, do you suggest sank USS Arizona? Distributed systems damage, localised fires and possibly some minor flooding? or the catastrophic detonation of possibly as much as 100 tons of SPCG flashless propellant in Arizona's turret II magazine https://youtu.be/ujquq7IU0uY, caused by a single 16in Japanese naval shell converted into an airborne bomb? I know what MY money is on. You speculation as to the structural integrity of Arizona's forward deck armour just prior to her detonation is just that, speculation, and not of the particularly well informed variety either, as is your appraisal of Hood's value as a warship. The point remains.... Was USS Arizona a worthless laughing stock due to the relatively easy nature of her destruction? P.S I'm probably older than you are, and the last time I played a naval game was with paper and pencil. Save your condescension for the video game generation, lad.
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  3009.  @wesleyjarboe9571  A million to one shot that in all likelihood landed short and pentrated below her main belt armour. Do million to one shots negate the whole raison d-etre of a ship? Does the fact that a single Japanese bomb sank the USS Arizona mean she was an inadequate laughing stock of a battleship? Yes indeed the German designers by placing Bismarck's main armour deck one level lower than most other battleships did indeed make her harder to sink.... but it also meant that many of her vital systems were unable to be fitted within the reduced volume beneath that armoured deck hence why she was very quickly reduced to an ineffectual floating target for the Royal Navy to play Piñata with.
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  3010.  @wesleyjarboe9571  Indeed the British Admiralty classified Hood as a battlecruiser, and as she was originally conceived she was a fast, lightly armoured "cruiser killer".... but as the events at Jutland illustrated the shortcomings of the battlecruiser concept, Hood's redesign on the stocks meant she came off the slipway as a battlecruiser in name only. Bismarck belt armour = 12.6 inches Hood belt armour = 12 inches (Though angled so as to give 13 inches of protection). Bismarck armoured deck = 4 inches Hood armoured deck = 3 inches Hood's vertical armour was well upto the average standard of contemporary battleships, her weakest aspect was her horizontal deck armour, but Holland being fully aware of this relative weakness had raced to close on Bismarck and had escaped the "danger zone" of plunging fire, only to be then hit by a million to one shot that found an obscure "achilles heel" in her vertical armour.
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  3011. If I call a "banana" an "apple" does that make it so?
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  3012. Which is why Hood was effectively the world's first fast battleship.
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  3013. The "little steamer" is the Turbinia. It's still in existence at the "Discovery museum" in Newcastle, UK. The "Spithead (fleet) review" is (was) an intermittently held parade of the world's largest navy (the RN) for the British monarch as it sailed past the "bottom of Queen Victoria's garden" at Osbourne House on the Isle of Wight. To get a flavour of the scale of the spectacle, and to also see the "Turbinia" sprinting past the mighty RN fleet, have a look at this image by Eduardo de Martino from 1898. https://www.rct.uk/sites/default/files/collection-online/9/6/865475-1550233451.jpg Nowadays the Royal Navy can easily be paraded in a medium sized child's paddling pool. Whereas the RN once policed the world's largest empire and guarded the world's oceans, they are now unable to stop small inflatable boats from crossing the English Channel.... Though they are an "equal opportunities employer" so it's not all bad.
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  3014.  @serialman1  So the British admiralty decided to designate HMS Hood as a "battlecruiser" in 1916, to deny the nazis the acclaim of sinking a battleship in 1941? Interesting concept.... Sounds like the basis of a science fiction movie.
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  3015. It's be a sad show if Iowa wasn't more technically advanced than a ship built 23 years before it.
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  3016. Why compare Hood to the Tiger and indefatigables? They were in a complete different league !!! "Tiger" 4 x 13.5in guns, 9in main belt armour, 3in deck armour, 28 knots. "Indefatigable" 4 x 12in guns, 6in main belt armour, 3in deck armour, 25 knots. "Hood" 8 x 15in guns, 12in main belt armour (which was angled to provide 13in armour thickness), 3in deck armour, 32 knots.
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  3017. USS Arizona blew up because of a single Japanese bomb that hit it ? Does tha make her a "battlecruiser" too?
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  3018. Name me a cruiser with 8 x 15" guns and 13 inch thick belt armour?
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  3019. Like Jutland while the British suffered a far heavier loss at Denmark Strait, they achieved their main goal of preventing the breakout of the German task force into the Atlantic convoy lanes. After HMS PoW's 3 hits on Bismarck, Adm Lütjens was forces to call of "exercise Rhine" and run for France. Mission killed.
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  3020. Just as Hood in reality was as well.... albeit an unlucky one.
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  3021. If I throw a lighted match into a burning building, am I the arsonist?
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  3022. "Cruiser hull"? Nonsense. Bismarck belt armour = 12.6 inches Hood belt armour = 12 inches (Though angled so as to give 13 inches of protection). Bismarck armoured deck = 3.75 inches Hood armoured deck = 3 inches Some "cruiser".
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  3023. Learning is great isn't it? Stick with it.
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  3024. Do you see that as the line of progression? Dreadnought > Hood > Invincible > QE ? Strange.
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  3025. Hood had battleship guns, battleship armour and could reach 32 knots when all other battleships could only reach 23 knots.
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  3026. The "flying off" platform on her "B" turret means that this photo was taken pre 1932 when Hood had her Aircraft (Fairey Flycatchers... no honestly!!!), cranes and flying off platforms on "B" and "X" turrests removed.
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  3027. Well in HMS Hood's case, speed and 15000 tons of armour plate.
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  3028. The "plunging shot through the deck armour" theory has been discounted for many years. At the range of the fatal hit, that is approx 8-9 miles, and using the German's own AVSK gunnery data for the 38 cm SK C/34 at that range gives an angle of fall somewhere in the region of 10-13 dgrees from the horizontal, which was wholly incapable of penetrating even Hood's 3 inch deck armour at the given range. Hood had the same armour scheme as the "Queen Elizabeth" battleships such as HMS Warspite, a ship that as well and taking everything that the German High Seas Fleet could throw at her in WW1, also happily exchanged blows with Italian battleships and nazi glider bombs in the Med in WW2 and sailed through it all. The fact is that a million to one shot from Bismarck found an obscure "Achilles heel" in Hood's vertical armour which almost certainly triggered off a domino effect magazine explosion.
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  3029.  @dwightlooi  Even just a cursory glance at wikipedia will show the differences between Hood and her battlecruiser "stablemates". The Renown class BCs for instance had 25% less firepower and upto 50% less armour than Hood, though they were more thoroughly updated through the 1930s than Hood was. Then you have the REALLY uninformed who associate Hood with the earlier generation "Invincible" & "Indefatigable" class BCs.
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  3030. By which definition HMS Hood was NOT a battlecruiser, having both battleship guns AND battleship armour as well as being able to move at >30knots when most other capital ships of the world could only manage 23/24 knots.
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  3031. 1920.... HMS Warspite 8x15in guns, 12 inch belt armour, 3 in deck armour, speed 24 knots, battleship HMS Hood 8x15in guns, 12 inch belt armour, 3 in deck armour, speed 32 knots, FAST battleship. HMS Hood was completed as WW1 ended and it became internationally obvious that a naval treaty (restricting amongst other things battleship numbers and displacements) was necessary to stop an unaffordable international arms race from developing. What better way to increase your naval dominance by insisting that your latest fast battleship is a "battlecruiser" which is what HMS Hood was originally conceived & designed as, even though she was subsequently upgraded during her construction to become the original fast battleship that she finally was. "A Rose by any other name".......
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  3032. Hood was classified by the British Admiralty as a "battlecruiser" but in reality had all the attributes of a pioneering "fast battleship".... 22 years BEFORE Iowa's keel was even laid down.
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  3033. Hood as she was designed was indeed a battlecruiser with lighter armour for increased speed. The poor performance of British battlecruisers at the battle of Jutland shortly before her keel was laid down forced the British admiralty to revise her design to incorporate a LOT more armour. When she was completed in 1920 she sported the same armour protection as the contemporary RN "Queen Elizabeth" class battleships, but could travel 8 knots faster than them.
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  3034. Much like USS Arizona.
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  3035. Ignoring the fact that when Hood was completed she had the same armour protection as a contemporary "Queen Elizabeth" battleship, but was 8 knots faster.
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  3036. In what way was Hood's firepower "not enough". 8 x 15in guns served battleships of all the major navies admirably during WW1 & 2. Also Hood's armour as she was launched was top class, largely equal to the contemporary Queen Elizabeths, which again gave excellent, robust service during WW1 & 2.
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  3037. Please put a video if you eventually manage that.... I'd look forward to it.Good luck !!!
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  3038. Not forgetting Michael Hordern, Aye, all fine actors. Bless them.
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  3039. Haven't you got some incel pokemon stuff to be getting excited over kidult?
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  3040. "natural 1,000,000" would be nearer the mark..... if only such dice existed.
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  3041. When you consider that if a main magazine detonates, then the related main turret's barbette effectively becomes a VERY strong walled "bazooka" which is going to funnel a colossal amount of the explosive energy upwards.
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  3042. Continuously bombed in St Nazaire, when in February 1942 she joins the rest of the Kriegsmarine's surface fleet in running away back to home waters before being finally put on the bottom by Bomber command like her sister Tirpitz. My "what if" is what if HMS Hood never succumbed to the million to one shot, and instead engaged Bismarck in a close in broadside knife fight along with PoW?
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  3043. She was tasked with intercepting the German battleship Bismarck, with the intention of stopping her from getting into the North Atlantic and savaging Britain's transatlantic convoy supply lines. When the two ships met on the morning of 24th May 1941, Excellent German gunnery, compounded by a huge dose of luck, caused a 15 inch shell from Bismarck to detonate Hood's aft magazines, the resultant explosion of an estimated 100 tons of cordite immediately snapped her in two, she sank within 3 minutes and took all but 3 of her 1418 crewmen with her.
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  3044. Even in the relatively poor fighting condition she was in at the time, she effectively single handedly stopped "Exercise Rhine" in its tracks.
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  3045. The generally believed train of events is Bismarck's hit enters Hood from starboard passing through her rear engine room and penetrating (or the shell's detonation perforates) the aft bulkhead between the rearmost engine room & the 4in HA magazine immediately astern of it. The initial conflagration of the 4in magazine seeks the path of least resistance, and blows out the already damaged forward bulkhead and vents into Hood's machinery spaces likely killing everyone there immediately, the continually expanding gases then vent upwards and out through the ventilation trunking out of the top of the engine rooms which exited Hood via her boat deck just forward of her main mast.... as this is all happening in a few seconds, the continually expanding conflagration in the 4in magazine finally ruptures the aft bulkhead and allows hot gases to enter the adjoining X turret magazine and shell room... the rest is history.
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  3046. Hood's extensive suite of boilers (needed to get her upto 32 knots in 1920) would have been replaced by upto date lighter more powerful boilers resulting in a LARGE weight saving that would have offset the weight gain from any refit.
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  3047.  @folktai7070  A good question, but you have only to think of HMS Warspite which is also widely remembered within the naval community and DID survive WW2, only to be mercilessly scrapped shortly afterwards.
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  3048. "The di-lithium crystals cannae tek it cap'n Dalrymple-Hamilton!!!"
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  3049. Don't forget that HMS Rodney also was carrying the "Elgin Marbles" at the time of the Bismarck epic, from the UK to the US for safe keeping during WW2.
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  3050.  @richhughes7450  A wider hull would have required thousands of tons more armour at a time when the Washington naval treaty was restricting the weight of capital ships. That is the reason that the Nelsons were so slow for a modern capital ship design, the weight restriction meant that if sufficient propulsion machinery to drive her at 30 knots was installed, the weight of that machinery would require her armour or firepower to be reduced to keep within limits. Something had to give, and in the case of the Nelsons it was their propulsion system.
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  3051. If you want a menacing looking battleship that looks ready for a ruck with ANYTHING afloat on the seas, then think of HMS Rodney. Accept nothing less.
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  3052. No, its only you that calls it "Dave" everyone else calls it "Rodney", and the reason they call it "Rodney", is because "Rodney" is its name.....
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  3053. why you no risten?
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  3054. What Drach has completely failed to take into account is the special "unobtainium" armour which protected nazi warships, and which is so beloved of nazi enthralled modern youths in YT comments sections.
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  3055. Shhh.... don't mention it. The wehraboos will faint if they realise the nazi war machine was as liable to confusion and chaos as any other countries armed forces. They believe its only the British who thse things happened to. Also don't say anything about the +100 low flying luftwaffe aircraft that were shot down by their own anti aircraft guns during Operation Bodenplatte in January 1945.
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  3056.  @kms_scharnhorst  Was just citing an example against your "Only a dive bomber can target specific facilities accurately" comment.
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  3057.  @kms_scharnhorst  "but the air defences around Brest would shoot any who tried down".... luckily for the British the nazi AA defences did not prevent a lone Beaufort torpedo bomber piloted by Flying Officer Kenneth Campbell VC from penetrating the harbour and dropping an incredible accurate torpedo that put Gneisenau out of action for 6 months, though he was shot down and killed as he made his exit from his attack run.
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  3058. You mean its NOT "yoooo-jeeeen"?
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  3059. Sometimes "centre of gravity" is a bar steward.
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  3060. As were the vast majority of the FLOWER class corvette names.
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  3061. HMS Convolvulus was just one of 294 FLOWER class corvettes built and used by the RN and RCN.
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  3062.  @drillthrallable  Do an image search for "dazzle camoflage" and be astounded by some of the designs that were used.... especially in the first world war. All the best.
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  3063.  @PumaTwoU  "In the case of Walker, 'Buttercup' will be proven to have been a fluke and not a viable convoy counter U boat tactic." What ARE you on about?
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  3064.  @themanformerlyknownascomme777  The Type VII and XI subs could have had some individual upgrades from the Type XXI design, but they could in no way compare to a purpose built design. Just the weight of the increased battery capacity of the Type XXI's would have sunk a type VII or XI. "You can't put a quart in a pint pot".
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  3065.  @davidrenton  If it ever happens It'll be about 5 star Fleet Admiral Earl "Buckaroo" Brown USN.
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  3066. He was buried at sea in Liverpool Bay... from the deck of the RN Destroyer Hesperous, after a large funeral service at Liverpool Anglican cathederal. Here is some pathe footage of his funeral his final journey from Pier Head, Liverpool and his commital to the deep in Livepool bay. https://youtu.be/t3Nh6ro2eGE
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  3067. "Negligent discharge" Oooo-Errrr !!!!
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  3068. Barrage balloons to dissuade attacking aircraft from getting too near.
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  3069. If it happens the story will recall the stellar career of 5 start Fleet Admiral Franky "hotshot" walker USN, the man who single handedly sank the Bismarck, bested the U-boats before breaking into the enigma cipher, while the rest of the allies took a supporting role.
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  3070. Neither were the vast majority of the FLOWER class corvette names.
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  3071.  @cisco9t5-y9e  Take no notice of those ignorant commenters who say "it wuz uselezz" The Fairey Swordfish were designed & built in Britain from 1935 onwards, originally for the Greek navy, But when trialled prior to delivery they were so capable that the Royal Navy bought them instead. They were biplanes for a very good reason. At the time they were designed existing aircraft engines were of relatively low power (especially for the British fleet air arm which was low down on the engine "priority list" at the time) so to enable a carrier aircraft to carry aloft heavy loads needed a large wing area. Their biplane wing area was SO great that they could take off fully loaded WITHOUT the use of a carrier's catapult. This meant that in the stormy North Atlantic where the Royal Navy mainly intended to operate them, instead of being forced to take off at the carrier's bows (where the catapults are) and which is the part of a ship that rises and falls by the greatest amount in heavy seas, the Swordfish could take of from the middle of the carrier's decks close to the bridge where the pitching and rolling was the least. It was for this reason in May 1941 that they were able to take off from HMS Ark Royal to attack Bismarck when Ark Royal was struggling through an Atlantic gale in MOUNTAINOUS seas, with her bows rising and falling by nearly 60ft !!! Try to imagine how terrifying it must have been for the brave young crews flying them in those conditions. Those weather conditions would have prevented all other allied carrier aircraft of the era from flying and instead seen them safely lashed down inside the hangar deck. They were also incredibly adaptable and throughout WW2 they were adapted to carry, bombs, depth charges, torpedoes, extra fuel tanks and even eight anti ship rockets as well as the world's very first naval airborne radars that we're talking about. They are widely regarded to have ended the war as the aircraft with the GREATEST amount of enemy shipping tonnage sunk, and were HUGELY loved by their crews. They WERE to have been replaced mid war by a succesor, the Fairey Albacore, but the "stringbag" (as the Swordfish were affectionately known) were so ubiquitous that they outlasted the Albacore in service. All the best.
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  3072. The Fairey Swordfish Mk I that were used at the time of these events had British ASV (Airborne surface vessel) Mk II radar fitted. The only outwardly visible sign of the ASV Mk II radars fitted to Swordfish were small "yagi" antenna fitted to the outer struts between the top and bottom wings. The Swordfish Drach shows at 29:14 was the later Swordfish Mk III carrying the ASV Mk XI radar (with the large radome between the undercarriage struts) which was an adaptation of the RAF's H2S Ground mapping bombing radar. (You can also make out the yagi aerials of the Mk II radar on that Swordfish's wing struts). The two radars were fitted because the Mk II provided a much wider search pattern, then when a contact was observed with the Mk II the airborne radar operator then switched to the Mk XI as it had a much narrower search vector but at a far higher resolution which increased the chances of a successful night time attack. The sub (U-451) sunk on 21st Dec 1941 by the radar equipped Swordfish was the world's first nighttime sinking of a submarine by an aircraft. Out of the 45 man crew of the U-boat there was only 1 survivor.
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  3073. The majority of the 294 ships of the "Flower" class corvette series were named after flowers.
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  3074.  @mkaustralia7136  "What a waste of talent" Never a truer phrase spoken. The amount of human potential squandered in society by those "at the top" in the aim of keeping their own positions safe is untold. The work of the GC&CS (Blethchley Park) was kept secret here in the UK until the 1970s, and further information has come to light in dribs and drabs over the last 50 years, but to have had your efforts completely unrecognised till the end of your days must have been hugely dispiriting. But being the resourceful people they undoubtedly were, I'm sure most of them worked for good lives for themselves after WW2. None of my old neighbours from Liverpool who worked through WW2 now survive, but everyone of them struggled to save our country from tyranny... unfortuantely the tyranny has grown like a fungus throughout the west in the last 20-30 years and is now at our doorsteps. Thanks for the information, plenty for me to search out and digest. Best wishes from the UK.
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  3075.  @mkaustralia7136  I don't for one second deny the women's contribution during the war... far from it. My own mother as a 16 year old from 1942 onwards assembled RP-3 air to ground rockets for use with our air forces. But as I suggest the continual ongoing revision of history to reflect current BS agenda has a tendency to devalue or mask the genuine efforts and contribution of women in history. Thanks for your comments, they've given me some primers for some more of my own reading. Best wishes. P.S Do you have the name of the TV documentary you mention above?
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  3076. I'd be interested to see any further info on this myself. I can't help but think that this revisionist story of women telling the front line commanders "where they were going wrong" smacks of modern day puerile identity politics BS.
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  3077.  @peteenglish8773  Please feel free to provide us with any of the details of the apparently "regular" events you believe were carried out by RN subs in the Med. Yes it is bollocks. Trying to portray TWO isolated instances by the same RN officer as "regularly". HMSub Torbay (Lt Comm Anthony Miers) 4th July 1941 , unnamed Cretan schooner (~50 tons) 36'01N,23'06E HMSub Torbay (Lt Comm Anthony Miers) 9th July 1941 , unnamed Cretan schooner (~50 tons) 35.43N,23.12E His actions on the 4th & 9th July 1941 resulted in Torbay's commander (Lt Com Anthony Miers) being severely reprimanded and ordered to cease such criminal actions by Adm Max Horton. There are no further accounts of such actions taking place. There are a larger (but still a relatively small number) of incidents of German U-boats gunning survivors, U-37 (KL Victor Oehrn) 23 August 1940, British ship "Severn Leigh" (5242grt) 54'31'N,25'41W U-552 (KL Erich Topp) 3 March 1942, US ship "David H. Atwater"(2428grt) 37'57N, 75'10W U-126 (KL Ernst Bauer) 8 March 1942 Panamanian Tanker "Esso Bolivar" (10389grt) 19'38N,74'38W U-172 (KL Carl Emmermann) 24 June 1942 Colombian Sailing Vessel "Resolute"(35grt)13'15N,80'30W U-754(KL Johanns Oestermann) 28 July 1942 US Fishing Vessel "Ebb"(259grt) 43'18N,63'50W U-852(KL Heinz-Wilhelm Eck) 13 March 1944 Hellenic Steamship "Peleus"(4695grt) 02'00S,10'00W U-532(FK Ottoheinrich Junker) 27 March 1944 British Ship "Tulagi"(228grt) 11'00S,78'40E The most egregious of which (known as the "Peleus incident" and committed by the U-852 commanded by Kpt Lt Eck) resulted in the post war execution of Eck and two of his officers for the murder of 33 survivors. The war in the pacific was FAR harsher on survivors of sinkings with both US & Japanese captains far more likely to kill those taking to boats or in the water.
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  3078.  @peteenglish8773  Please feel free to provide us with just a handful of the apparently "regular" events you believe were carried out by RN subs in the Med. Yes it is bollocks. Trying to portray TWO isolated instances by the same RN officer as "regularly". HMSub Torbay (Lt Comm Anthony Miers) 4th July 1941 , unnamed Cretan schooner (~50 tons) 36'01N,23'06E HMSub Torbay (Lt Comm Anthony Miers) 4th July 1941 , unnamed Cretan schooner (~50 tons) 35.43N,23.12E His actions on the 4th & 9th July 1941 resulted in Torbay's commander (Lt Com Anthony Miers) being severely reprimanded and ordered to cease such actions by Adm Max Horton. The are a larger (but still a relatively small number) of incidents of German U-boats gunning survivors, U-37 (KL Victor Oehrn) 23 August 1940, British ship "Severn Leigh" (5242grt) 54'31'N,25'41W U-552 (KL Erich Topp) 3 March 1942, US ship "David H. Atwater"(2428grt) 37'57N, 75'10W U-126 (KL Ernst Bauer) 8 March 1942 Panamanian Tanker "Esso Bolivar" (10389grt) 19'38N,74'38W U-172 (KL Carl Emmermann) 24 June 1942 Colombian Sailing Vessel "Resolute"(35grt)13'15N,80'30W U-754(KL Johanns Oestermann) 28 July 1942 US Fishing Vessel "Ebb"(259grt) 43'18N,63'50W U-852(KL Heinz-Wilhelm Eck) 13 March 1944 Hellenic Steamship "Peleus"(4695grt) 02'00S,10'00W U-532(FK Ottoheinrich Junker) 27 March 1944 British Ship "Tulagi"(228grt) 11'00S,78'40E the most egregious of which (known as the "Peleus incident" and committed by the U-852 (KptLt Eck) resulted in the post war execution of Eck and two of his crew members for the murder of 33 survivors. The war in the pacific was FAR harsher on survivors of sinkings with both US & Japanese captains far more likely to kill defenceless survivors.
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  3079.  @peteenglish8773  Please feel free to provide us with just a handful of the apparently "regular" massacres you believe were carried out by RN subs in the Med. Yes it is bollocks. Trying to portray TWO isolated instances by the same RN officer as "regularly". HMSub Torbay (Lt Comm Anthony Miers) 4th July 1941 , unnamed Cretan schooner (~50 tons) 36'01N,23'06E HMSub Torbay (Lt Comm Anthony Miers) 4th July 1941 , unnamed Cretan schooner (~50 tons) 35.43N,23.12E His actions on the 4th & 9th July 1941 at resulted in Torbay's commander (Lt Com Anthony Miers) being severely reprimanded and ordered to cease such actions by Adm Max Horton. The are a larger (but still a relatively small number) of incidents of German U-boats gunning survivors, U-37 (KL Victor Oehrn) 23 August 1940, British ship "Severn Leigh" (5242grt) 54'31'N,25'41W U-552 (KL Erich Topp) 3 March 1942, US ship "David H. Atwater"(2428grt) 37'57N, 75'10W U-126 (KL Ernst Bauer) 8 March 1942 Panamanian Tanker "Esso Bolivar" (10389grt) 19'38N,74'38W U-172 (KL Carl Emmermann) 24 June 1942 Colombian Sailing Vessel "Resolute"(35grt)13'15N,80'30W U-754(KL Johanns Oestermann) 28 July 1942 US Fishing Vessel "Ebb"(259grt) 43'18N,63'50W U-852(KL Heinz-Wilhelm Eck) 13 March 1944 Hellenic Steamship "Peleus"(4695grt) 02'00S,10'00W U-532(FK Ottoheinrich Junker) 27 March 1944 British Ship "Tulagi"(228grt) 11'00S,78'40E the most egregious of which (known as the "Peleus incident" and committed by the U-852 (KptLt Eck) resulted in the post war execution of Eck and two of his crew members for the massacre of 33 survivors. The war in the pacific was FAR harsher on survivors of sinkings with both US & Japanese captains far more likely to kill defenceless survivors.
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  3080.  @peteenglish8773  test
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  3081.  @peteenglish8773  Please feel free to provide us with just a handful of the apparently "regular" massacres you believe were carried out by RN subs in the Med. Yes it is bollocks. Trying to portray TWO isolated instances by the same RN officer as "regularly". HMSub Torbay (Lt Comm Anthony Miers) 4th July 1941 , unnamed Cretan schooner (~50 tons) 36'01N,23'06E HMSub Torbay (Lt Comm Anthony Miers) 4th July 1941 , unnamed Cretan schooner (~50 tons) 35.43N,23.12E His actions on the 4th & 9th July 1941 at resulted in Torbay's commander (Lt Com Anthony Miers) being severely reprimanded and ordered to cease such actions by Adm Max Horton. The are a larger (but still a relatively small number) of incidents of German U-boats gunning survivors, U-37 (KL Victor Oehrn) 23 August 1940, British ship "Severn Leigh" (5242grt) 54'31'N,25'41W U-552 (KL Erich Topp) 3 March 1942, US ship "David H. Atwater"(2428grt) 37'57N, 75'10W U-126 (KL Ernst Bauer) 8 March 1942 Panamanian Tanker "Esso Bolivar" (10389grt) 19'38N,74'38W U-172 (KL Carl Emmermann) 24 June 1942 Colombian Sailing Vessel "Resolute"(35grt)13'15N,80'30W U-754(KL Johanns Oestermann) 28 July 1942 US Fishing Vessel "Ebb"(259grt) 43'18N,63'50W U-852(KL Heinz-Wilhelm Eck) 13 March 1944 Hellenic Steamship "Peleus"(4695grt) 02'00S,10'00W U-532(FK Ottoheinrich Junker) 27 March 1944 British Ship "Tulagi"(228grt) 11'00S,78'40E the most egregious of which (known as the "Peleus incident" and committed by the U-852 (KptLt Eck) resulted in the post war execution of Eck and two of his crew members for the massacre of 33 survivors. The war in the pacific was FAR harsher on survivors of sinkings with both US & Japanese captains far more likely to kill defenceless survivors.
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  3082.  @peteenglish8773 Please feel free to provide us with just a handful of the apparently "regular" massacres you believe were carried out by RN subs in the Med. Yes it is bollocks. Trying to portray TWO isolated instances by the same RN officer as "regularly". HMSub Torbay (Lt Comm Anthony Miers) 4th July 1941 , unnamed Cretan schooner (~50 tons) 36'01N,23'06E HMSub Torbay (Lt Comm Anthony Miers) 4th July 1941 , unnamed Cretan schooner (~50 tons) 35.43N,23.12E His actions on the 4th & 9th July 1941 at resulted in Torbay's commander (Lt Com Anthony Miers) being severely reprimanded and ordered to cease such actions by Adm Max Horton. The are a larger (but still a relatively small number) of incidents of German U-boats gunning survivors, U-37 (KL Victor Oehrn) 23 August 1940, British ship "Severn Leigh" (5242grt) 54'31'N,25'41W U-552 (KL Erich Topp) 3 March 1942, US ship "David H. Atwater"(2428grt) 37'57N, 75'10W U-126 (KL Ernst Bauer) 8 March 1942 Panamanian Tanker "Esso Bolivar" (10389grt) 19'38N,74'38W U-172 (KL Carl Emmermann) 24 June 1942 Colombian Sailing Vessel "Resolute"(35grt)13'15N,80'30W U-754(KL Johanns Oestermann) 28 July 1942 US Fishing Vessel "Ebb"(259grt) 43'18N,63'50W U-852(KL Heinz-Wilhelm Eck) 13 March 1944 Hellenic Steamship "Peleus"(4695grt) 02'00S,10'00W U-532(FK Ottoheinrich Junker) 27 March 1944 British Ship "Tulagi"(228grt) 11'00S,78'40E the most egregious of which (known as the "Peleus incident" and committed by the U-852 (KptLt Eck) resulted in the post war execution of Eck and two of his crew members for the massacre of 33 survivors. The war in the pacific was FAR harsher on survivors of sinkings with both US & Japanese captains far more likely to kill defenceless survivors.
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  3083. He's SITTING in a wooden church pew, probably fitted on the bridge for being hard wearing and warmer to sit on than steel.
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  3084. I think "inspiring" would be a more suitable description... but completely agree.
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  3085. NOt seen many comments as such.
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  3086. Think its safe to say there were no "safe spaces" or "mental health mentors" at Dartmouth OR Ganges !!!
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  3087. Other British escort / Destroyer name series chosen were towns, rivers, lakes and even empire tribes. We tend not to use personal names like the US / Germany / France apart from the "royal" names, and very old and deceased admirals that is. Capt Walker should MOST definitely have a modern RN warship named in his honour !!!
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  3088. Beat me to it.
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  3089. As well as flowers, we also had Destroyer/Frigate/Corvette classes named after letters of the alphabet, British fox hunts, rivers, towns, lakes and even tribes of the British Empire... well when you had the largest navy in the world you had to get your ship names from somewhere !!!!
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  3090. Careful your vulva is showing (Convolvulus).
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  3091. As were the names of the rest of the 294 flower class corvettes during WW2.
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  3092. This is NOT the video detailing the career of an RN hero that you're looking for.
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  3093. No, through his own tireless resolution and instinct to serve his homeland.
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  3094. One of the world's first naval aircraft to do so.
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  3095. Ask the Ancient Romans... "Convolvulus" is Latin.
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  3096. It was owned by the "Merseyside Historic Warship preservation Trust", which was sited on the "Mersey Docks and Harbour Board" dock estate at East Float Birkenhead. A few years later the land was purchased by a private developer, and notice was given to the trust to remove their vessels from the site. Because of the prohibitive cost of such an operation the trust went into liquidation, and with no buyers for a rusty German Uboat with 61 years on the clock, there was a very real danger that it was going to be scrapped. The local passenger transport authority bought the sub for a knock down price, and though they saved it from a one way trip to a Turkish ship breakers, they did not have sufficient space to store it, so the decision was made to cut it up and display it on the available land.
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  3097. Anyone who knows ANYTHING about the battle of the Atlantic appreciates the HUGE contibution made by the RCN during WW2. I would question if we could have survived without them. That's coming from a resectful Brit. Thank you.
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  3098. A rose in a cornfield is a "weed".
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  3099. I remember reading an account from an unnamed veteran of second escort group who said that was "complete bollocks", and that he slept soundly at night.
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  3100. Hopefully he'll take you away again. Goodbye.
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  3101. More "British colonialist" BS. What about the expoitative colonies of ALL the other major European powers? Please tell us about THEIR heinous crimes.
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  3102. Must've designed USS Arizona as well !!!
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  3103. HMS Hood berthed at Liverpool from 28th May 1940 until 12th June 1940 where she was drydocked for maintenance to her hull and propellers.
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  3104. You may want to read about Gerard Broadmead Roope. He fitted into that category very well indeed.
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  3105. He'd be spinning in his watery grave if he could see the putrid self serving globalist puppets that have usurped our govt now.
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  3106. I miss their type tremendously... I was born and grew up in 1960s 70s Liverpool so was surrounded by "salt of the earth" people like that. (P.S you've "struckthrough" most of your text.)
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  3107. The major advantage of support groups was that they were NOT tied to a convoy, but supplemented the convoy's existing escort. Meaning that it could stop to prosecute a submarine contact to its conclusion without leaving the convoy without cover.
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  3108. It wasn't a war grave... stand down.
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  3109. A friend and myself in the late 1990s booked a tour of U-534 when it was sited next to the "Spillers flour mill" at Birkenhead's "east float dock" as part of the "Historic warship preservation trust". Such a tour would not be permissible now due to the over extended nonsense of modern "elf and safety". After climbing onto her deck via a scaffolding gantry our small group was taken for a full walk through of the entire sub (WITHOUT the respiratory protection), including ascending from the control room and standing on the "turm" or raised bridge, and looking out over the rotted wooden decking which exposed her high pressure air cylinders and torpedo storage tubes beneath. Not many people nowadays can say they've stood on the bridge of a type XI uboat and surveyed its decks. While walking through her internal compartments which were coated with rust, in each compartment there was a small area up near the roof where the original paintwork and labelling of valves etc was still visible. It became apparent that this was where air trapped inside the sub after its sinking had prevented the salt water from corroding the metal. The thought of panicking sailors trapped in a sinking sub, fighting for their last breaths with their faces pressed into such pockets did leave a lasting impression on me. I still to this day drink my tea from the "U-534" mug that I bought at the MHWPT giftshop (a small portacabin) on that day. It's fantastic that a project to save the sub from further degradation, reinstate it from the ridiculous cutting up it suffered in the 2000s, and place it within a protective building is taking place, and is to be applauded.
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  3110. Can I make another nomination for the 1945 naval Darwin award? I would like to direct your attention to the commander of German U-boat U1206, who I'm sure Drachinifel is well aware is the man who while using the new fangled high pressure toilet onboard his sub (it was "high pressured" so as to be able to eject its contents at the greater depths that the later submarines were capable of diving to) he managed to operate the various control valves in the wrong order which instead of flushing the remnants of last night's weiner schnitzel out into the North sea instead blew the noxious toilet contents and a large amount of accompanying seawater back into the sub. Unfortunately the sloshing seawater (and other "stuff") flooded into the U-boats nearby battery compartment, thereby releasing poisonous chlorine gas into the sub. The captain and gagging crew were forced to take the submarine to the surface to exhaust the poisonous gas out of the boat...... only for the sub to surface right underneath a passing allied anti submarine aircraft, which then unloaded its own cargo onto the u-boat, sinking her and killing 4 of its crew, fortunately the other 46 crewmen all survived. The name of the u-boat capt involved? Kapitanleutnant Schlitt...... I schlitt you not !!!
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  3111. As opposed to the USN who operated 80% of its units in the south western and central Pacific, The RN was dispersed across the globe and forced to cover the Arctic Ocean, North & South Atlantic, Indian Ocean & Mediterranean sea. The IJN was determined to expand the Japanese "Greater East-Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere" into the Indian ocean & to absorb India. The British were defending its holdings in the Indian ocean. The British victory was in keeping the its empire's shipping lanes free of the IJN, including routes from India rounding Cape of Good Hope and onwards to the UK, as well as supply routes from India to Rangoon keeping the British 14th Army in the war, and Allied troop convoys from India/Cape Town to Australia. Japan's failure was in not destroying the RN Eastern Fleet, and failing to expand into the region. The RN was operating half way around the world, and stood firm, retaining control of the Indian ocean. The IJN on the other hand tried to extend itself into a neighbouring ocean and immediately found itself overstretched and was forced to retreat. A strategic victory in the same sense as Jutland in the first world war.
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  3112. No thanks, I've more sense than money.
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  3113. Hahahaha, a nice little vignette you've penned there, doubtless reproduced in navies across the world, even today !!!
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  3114.  @pauljaworski9386  ???
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  3115.  @pauljaworski9386  Seems you've never worked in naval architechture. Do you think any design is perfect? ALL naval vessels are a compromise of various compelling aspects. For instance do you believe Bismarck was a fantastic design? Or would you like me to point out the plethora of poor design choices made during her construction?
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  3116. Please tell me all of her bad points please... I'm eager to learn.
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  3117. WW1 ending before Hood could take part was the "waste of money" but no-one was complaining. She then spent the naxt 20 years portraying the image of the largest most capable warship on the planet, shoring up the British Empire even as its sun was already setting.
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  3118. The internet is NOT the "font of everything". Many MANY assets, such as records, images and audio sources are not available on the web, and require research and hunting down to bring to light. As Drach himself does.
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  3119. It was not a battleship but a Courageous class light battlecruiser. The 2 single main guns were actually 18"/45 Mark II. They were experimental and were found to be not as effective as anticipated and so were not futher developed. AA guns weren't a feature on ANY capital ships at that time as naval aviation had barely began. All navies commision ships to meet future, projected threats, sometimes those threats materialise, sometimes not. The purpose these ships were designed for, that is fast, shallow draught ships to operate in the Baltic sea, never became a reality, and they were quickly redesigned as pioneering aircraft carriers.
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  3120. Some truth spoken, but with a few questionable comments. "Excess ammo in passageways, flash doors open" Where is your evidence to support that? Please don't say "Jutland" in response. The "light battleship" you mention had the same armour scheme as a Queen Elizabeth battleship, such as HMS Warspite, and sported vertical armour comparable to Bismarck, though admittedly her horizontal armour had been rendered inadequate due to the interwar advances in long range naval gunnery & hence Holland's dash to close on Bismarck. Could you let me know where it says that PoW's 3 hits on Bismarck were all achieved within one salvo? How was the Bismarck going to "complete the destruction of Prince of Wales" when its speed had been reduced to that of PoW and her starboard propeller was broaching above waterline (and shortly afterwards she was forced to reduce speed to 21 knots to repair the damage to her foc'sle that was threatening to collapse her forward bulkheads), on top of which Lütjens rightly concluded that as well as going against his direct orders to avoid combat with RN heavy units, chasing PoW eastwards with zero speed advantage was almost certainly going to bring him into contact with further RN ships sortieing from the Iceland / UK gap and from Scapa Flow. Also at no time did Bismarck even nearly inflict serious damage on Norfolk or Suffolk, who due to their position as stern chasing "shadowers" and despite of a couple of errant salvoes from Norfolk, were out of range to Bismarck.
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  3121. There likely was some localised flooding in the seconds before 100 tons of cordite blew HMS Hood in half.
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  3122. Not much shorter than Bismarck's sinking 3 days later. She wouldn't have lasted that long if she hadn't been constantly running away at top speed.
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  3123. You lost.... let it go... besides we always knew the globalist puppets in the former houses of Parliament were never going to deliver it.
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  3124. While I've seen the last photo ever taken of HMS Hood, (A still taken from the PoW's quarterdeck) I've never heard of the possibility of cine footage, but good grief that would be incredible if true !!!
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  3125. Oswald had the "magic bullet", Bismarck had the "magic 15in shell".
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  3126.  @alexlupsor5484  Not at all, it's laughable that YOU think YOU'RE correct in contrary to almost everything thats been written about the subject. Pools of molten metal pouring down a vent into the magazine.... you should get a job writing science fiction. Who knows? Maybe Hood was vapourised by a previously undiscovered alien assault spaceship? P.S just because I suggested your theory was a crock, doesn't mean I've insulted you.
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  3127.  @alexlupsor5484  That's a whole crock of horseshit..... if you insist on living in fantasy land, I'm sorry I'm not flying there... I much prefer it here in the real world.
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  3128. No.
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  3129.  @finncarlbomholtsrensen1188  Hood's oarsmen were reaching speeds of nearly 30 knots... in a 45000 ton battlecruiser !!! "Lazy" isn't a word fit to describe them. P.S haven't you noticed the deindustrialisation of the west in general? What have you been doing for the last 50 years?
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  3130.  @finncarlbomholtsrensen1188  No, the oarsmen rebelled against having to row the 45,000 ton battlecruiser at 29 knots, and so set fire to the barrels of black powder stored in her belly. /sarcasm
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  3131.  @kurtsherrick2066  Theres a lot of inaccuracies in your post, but I'll leave them to someone else to correct. I like to use an analogy to illustrate what was lucky about Bismarck's hit on Hood's magazine. The analogy involves the use of a dartboard... and a shotgun. A broadside salvo of 15 inch shells are very much like the pellets in a shotgun scatter. Now if you place a dartboard 50 yards away and can consistently knock it over with a shotgun at that range then that is pretty good shooting, just as Bismarck / PE achieved during the Denmark Strait encounter. Now you can fire all day at the dartboard and still not hit the the actual "bullseye" with an individual pellet. As opposed to being a skillful shot by knocking over the dartboard, whether you hit the bullseye with an individual pellet is purely a matter of complete luck.
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  3132. But strangely enough all that technology and markmanship came to nothing on the morning of 27th May 1941. Bismarck was only slightly better than Hood and landed a lucky shot. When the luck deserted her, she was beheaded and declawed by a ship 13 years older than her.
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  3133.  @peterson7082  BOTH ships had other layers of "splinter armour" on various decks. It is what was known as an "incremental armour" scheme. When Hood was built during WW1 it was the "in thing" in naval armour, but by the 1930s when Bismarck was ordered most other navies were moving to the "all or nothing" armour system, due to the realisation of the principle that, for example, one layer of 12in armour is far more effective than 4 layers of 3 in (or whatever other combination of multiple layers you choose). Also the thinner layers of armour tended to activate shell fuses causing the detonation of the incoming shell and thereby incur widespread damage.... "all or nothing" armour tended to let the shell pass through the ship without activating the fuse and thereby left an entry hole and a usually larger exit hole but with a lot less collateral damage. In Bismarck's final battle her superstructure was turned into "Swiss cheese" and her systems quickly destroyed due to so many incoming shells detonating as they passed through the ship. Conversely, when PoW was hit by 7 shells during the battle of Denmark Strait, only a couple of them detonated, the rest passing through the ship or in one case was left lying unexploded in her "double bottom".
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  3134. "outmatched"? Bismarck belt armour = 12.6 inches Hood belt armour = 12 inches Bismarck deck armour = 4 inches Hood deck armour = 3 inches Bismarck armament = 8 x 15in Hood armament = 8 x 15in Their combat worthiness was not so far apart as the 20 year difference in their ages suggests. The fact is that Hood was destroyed by a million to one shot that purely by chance found an "Achilles heel" in her armour scheme.
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  3135. Do you have a link to that photograph of Hood that you describe. I've read widely on the topic for nearly 50 years and NEVER seen such a photo. Respects for your own service btw.
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  3136. Really?
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  3137. What a complete load of nonsense. There was utterly NO comparison between HMS Hood & WW1 Lion class battlecruisers. That is the same as saying my Honda is equal to my neighbours Maserati because they are both cars !!!
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  3138.  @THINKincessantly  Headshot for Hood? Or gang raped for Bismarck. I know which I'd pick if forced to.
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  3139. A fact that most who comment nowadays seem to be completely ignorant of. Britain, having been bled dry during the first world war, and struggling to administer her crumbling empire during the interbellum, had every reason to avoid war, hence the paucity in defence spending, and the "head buried in the sand" mentality during that period. Meanwhile Germany whilst badly beaten, was then in the misty sphere of geopolitics, the new European bulwark against the spread of communism from the east. Powered by international financial interests via Hjalmar Schacht and his "MEFO" bills (Germany's economic "miracle"), Germany was from 1933 through till 1939 working at 110% capacity for rearmamant.
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  3140. History of WW2.... the nazis lost. The end.
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  3141. It was good basic gunnery on behalf of the Bismarck, MASSIVELY compounded by luck.
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  3142.  @Project_Prescott  I apologise for my late reply. I did reply earlier to your message above but YT LOVES randomly deleting my posts. My now deleted message said... I don't know if you're aware that the HMS Hood association website has a memorial page for EVERY known member of the ship's crew. A lot of these memorial pages contain photographs and history of the individual concerned, and they are a means to keep alive their memory for the future. There currently exists a page for Ordinary Seaman Leonard Moyal Peckham, Service Number: P/JX 158236, born on 04 December 1922 at Fratton, Portsmouth, Hampshire, but unfortunately there is no photograph and no further information. If you have a confirmed family photograph of Leonard the association would be delighted to receive a copy (and any other related information) which they will be only too glad to place on Leonard's page. There is currently NO corresponding page for James William, but if you have his details (service number / dates of service aboard Hood etc) they will create a new page especially for him. I would post a link to Leonard's page, but if I do so Youtube "kindly" delete the message, if you put leonard's name in google, his page at the website will be the first result that will show up. I hope this is of some use to your family. All the best, Project Prescott.
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  3143. Do you know his name?
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  3144. And the relation of that story to the sinking of HMS Hood is? Why not post it on a "B-17" thread?
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  3145. There are physical reasons why Bismarck's hits on Hood were not "plunging" enough to penetrate her deck armour. The maximum elevation of Bismarck's main armament was 30 degrees. To achieve "plunging fire" at the range where Hood exploded would need a FAR greater elevation of Bismarck's guns, effectively turning them into king sized mortars. At the elevation of Bismarck's guns during the engagement any shells hitting Hood's deck armour would have impacted at such a shallow angle as to glance off. Theoretically If Bismarck had the facility to fire shells with reduced charges so as to reduce the range of her shells while firing at her guns maximum elevation in order to "drop" them onto Hood's deck, they would have had insufficient kinetic energy to penetrate.
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  3146.  @dovetonsturdee7033  I've never seen you driven to use such "workplace" language Admiral !!! Granted it was warranted !!!
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  3147.  @lollius88  No, it was crippled by a British biplane... There's no evidence that British shells had a higher rate of failure during the episode than was usually expected in all navies, But I agree with you the "lucky shot" assessment. I'm all for the truth, and NOT some credulous wehraboo fool. I just like to "keep it real".
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  3148.  @lollius88  Almost as much complete nonsense as the OP.
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  3149.  @montanabulldog9687  Where can I access them please?
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  3150. Ground breaking new theory there. Could you point us to your source for this information?
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  3151. Throw a dart at a dartboard fifty yards away, and see if you can hit the bullseye nine times out of ten.
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  3152. A VERY adroit suggestion with one minor drawback.... HMS Hood wasn't fitted with aircraft or catapults at the time of her destruction. The flash in front of the mainmast is most likely to have been the venting off of her burning 4 in secondary magazine initially into her machinery spaces (engine room) which hopefully mercifully killed the engine room crew quickly, and then when the pressure had very quickly risen then vented out through the main engine room ventilation trunking which came up just in front of the mainmast.
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  3153.  @koenvandam1281  As I said, "History of the second world war - The Axis lost" is a very short book.
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  3154. The question arises that by all reckoning it was almost impossible for the shell to hit the magazine as it was buried deep within the bowels of the ship behind rather a lot of angled armour. Its worth investigating, simplifying things down to meaninglessness is a waste of time. As in "Koen's chronicles of WW2".... The axis lost.
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  3155. Compounded by million to one luck.
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  3156. The era of battleships was rapidly coming to an end for ALL nations. Britain's aging battle wagons gave excellent service during WW2, and the majority survived the war only to be scrapped en masse in the post war years.
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  3157. Mullenheim CLEARLY states that his aft gunnery director was busy with its attention on Suffolk & Norfolk astern of Bismarck, but that he heard the excited babble of voices over his headphones and traversed an auxiliary scope to port in time to winess the terrible pall of smoke AFTER Hood's detonation. The rumour of torpedoes was not only conclusively disproved later on, but they were never physically within range to reach Hood / PoW. Just the same as the suggested torpedoes the Prinz Eugen spotted could never have come from Hood, for the same reason.
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  3158.  @vincentlavallee2779  During the battle of Denmark Strait, Bismarck's "killing shot" was fired at Hood from 8-9 nautical miles away. At that range the 38 cm SK C/34 (Bismarck's main armament) had a CEP (circular error probability - effectively the radius of a circle within which 50% of its shots would fall) of 100m. That means that if 8 of Bismarck's 15in guns fired at a single point 8-9 nm away, 4 of the shells would be expected to land (with completely random distribution) within an ellipsis (due to the angle of fall) measuring approximately 100m (330ft) wide, (or to put it another way 38% of HMS Hood's 860ft length), by close to 2500 feet long. The other 4 shots would land even further away from the aiming point. That being the case, how can an individual shell be aimed specifically at a tiny part of HMS Hood's structure, namely the 4in HA magazine, that is believed to have triggered off Hood's detonation? I'll give you a hint, there's a little clue in my paragraph above....where it says "completely random distribution". A simplified analogy is that if you prop a dartboard up 50 yards away and can consistently knock it over with a shotgun at that range then that is pretty good shooting, just as Bismarck / PE achieved during the Denmark Strait encounter. Now you can "knock the dartboard over" all day long with the shotgun and STILL NOT hit the bullseye (magazine) with an individual pellet. As opposed to being a skillful shot by knocking over the dartboard, whether you hit the bullseye with an individual pellet IS complete luck.
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  3159. Both sides had their share of good and bad luck. Finally it was superior ships and numbers that carried the day.
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  3160. A fair point Ray, but if you believe that Adalbert Schneider had his beady eye looking through an eyepiece with a crosshair on Hood's magazine, then you're really drifting into the world of make believe.
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  3161. Gunnery data tables which were formulated and created by the test firing of naval guns by all navies before, during & after the war show that shells fired by Bismarck's 15 in guns when fired at the range involved at the time of Hood's destruction in the battle of Denmark Strait (17,000 yards or 8.5 naultical miles) had an "angle of fall" of between 11 ~ 13 degrees, that is 11~13 degrees from the horizontal. Prewar testing of Hood's deck armour showed that it was proof against penetration by 15 in shells at angles of fall of 20° or less. That is not speculation but documented fact.
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  3162. During the battle of Denmark Strait, the Bismarck's killer blow was fired at Hood from 8-9 nautical miles away. At that range the 38 cm SK C/34 (Bismarck's main armament) had a CEP (circular error probability - effectively the radius of a circle within which 50% of its shots would fall) of 100m. That means that if 8 of Bismarck's 15in guns fired at a single point 8-9 nm away, 4 of the shells would be expected to land (with completely random distribution) within an ellipse measuring approximately 100m (330ft) wide, (or 38% of HMS Hood's 860ft length), by more than two thousand feet long (an ellipse due to the angle of fall). The other 4 shots would land even further away from the aiming point. That being the case, how can an individual shell be aimed specifically at a tiny part of HMS Hood's structure, namely the 4in HA magazine, that triggered off Hood's detonation? I'll give you a hint, there's a little clue in my paragraph above....where it says "completely random distribution". A simplified analogy is that if you prop a dartboard up 50 yards away and can consistently knock it over with a shotgun at that range then that is pretty good shooting, just as Bismarck / PE achieved during the Denmark Strait encounter. Now you can "knock the dartboard over" all day long with the shotgun and STILL NOT hit the bullseye (magazine) with an individual pellet. As opposed to being a skillful shot by knocking over the dartboard, whether you hit the bullseye with an individual pellet IS COMPLETE LUCK.
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  3163. They're not. PE was firing at HMS Prince of Wales at the time of Hood's destruction.
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  3164.  @janicmeier1  Why is it German fanbois ALWAYS talk about "lucky shots" and torpedoes, with a completely straight face, while ignoring the luckiest hit in naval history on Hood's magazines. If the "dice gods" hadn't smiled on the nazis at that point, Hood / PoW would have closed a little further, exposed their full broadsides, and initiated a horrible exchange of heavy fire with the probable end result of both Hood AND Bismarck crippled or sunk in the Denmark Strait engagement. P.S the Bomb's dropped on Tirpitz were known as "tallboy" weighing 12000lbs (Or approximately five and a half tons).
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  3165. Bearing what you say in mind, its surprising that German large calibre naval guns did so little during the war. "All the gear and no idea" maybe?
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  3166. One of Bismarck's 15in shells was recovered during repair work carried out on HMS PoW at the RN base at Rosyth. It was recovered from a "double bottom" tankage space near to her Y turret magazine 12 days after it had penetrated various bulkheads before coming to it's final resting place. Much is made of this with the belief that PoW nearly followed Hood to the bottom of the sea with a magazine detonation. The truth is that if the shell fuze had not malfunctioned as it did, then it would have detonated during its 25 meter underwater passage BEFORE entering PoW's hull 30 ft below her waterline.. The only reason the shell ended where it did was because of the faulty fuse. The shell was carefully removed from PoW while she was in dry dock and transported to a research establishment at Shoeburyness in Essex, where after inspection it was finally safely detonated.
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  3167. Great post Mark. Thank you.
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  3168. The Hood has been analysed for 80 years as her demise was so sudden and complete, when all the previous signs were that she should have given as good as she took.
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  3169.  @cesaravegah3787  The Bismarck had already received the hit to her bow which cut off 1000 tons of her fuel supply that was landed by HMS Prince of Wales before she herself had landed her first hit on Hood, the same first hit that by a million to one chance impacted on an obscure "Achilles heel" in Hood's vertical armour and set of a chain of events that within a few seconds detonated her aft magazines. As for Fleet Air Arm "luck" read about how their Fairey Albacores did the same thing as happened to Bismarck to the propellers of the Italian battleship Vittorio Veneto at the battle of Cape Matapan.
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  3170.  @VincentComet-l8e  YT seems to have failed to notify me of your repsonse above Lawrie, and I've only just stumbled on it accidentally. Why was Denmark Strait "A total disaster"? undeniably it was a much heavier cost that had been expected, BUT the Bismarck's stated mission WAS unquestionably stopped in its tracks at 06:20 on 24th May 1941, when Lütjens' hand was forced to make directly for the nearest home port with suitable facilities. I didn't agree that Holland "did badly" I said he managed a difficult high speed long range interception, made one or two questionable tactical decisions and then was laid low by a million to one shot. Its easy on the surface to view his performance as "bad" but how much worse would it have been if he had failed to engage at all (as so easily could have happened, just see how Scharnhorst and Gneisenau had evaded the RN for over 8 weeks during the earlier "Berlin" sortie) and the Germans had instead slipped out unopposed into the wider North Atlantic? You assessment of PoW "only very narrowly escaped destruction" is overstating the reality. She was hit by just 7 shells (3 from Bismarck and 4 from PE) none of which detonated due to the correct functioning of PoW's "all or nothing" armour scheme. She withdraw because her gunnery which had already landed multiple hits on Bismarck was working at close to 50% of its designed capacity, and she was then facing two ships that were working at full efficiency and which were certainly having "a good day". She was so near to destruction that within 30 minutes of her withdrawal she was again easily shadowing the German ships (who for reasons of damage control and fuel economy) were now forced to lower their speed. In the following 24 hours she again engaged in two further gunnery duels with the German ships but no hits were landed by either side, before she finally had to return to Iceland for refuelling. If after the Denmark Strait engagement Bismarck / PE had slipped her pursuers, refuelled from one of the supply network ships and gone on to savage a convoy or two and disrupt the routing of the whole Atlantic convoy system for a few weeks THAT would have been "a complete disaster". As it was directly as a result of the action at Denmark Strait NEITHER of the German ships even laid eyes on a supply ship OR a British convoy, the Convoy system carried on undisrupted and 3 days after the loss of Hood the PRIZE asset of the kriegsmarine also settled onto the bed of the Atlantic. Job Done.
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  3171.  @VincentComet-l8e  Don't for one second think I'm justifying Holland's decisions, yes they were flawed especially with the advantage of cool, unpressured hindsight... but he's not alone in making such bad calls, when the chips are down, the pressure is very much on, and a fluid situation calls for an immediate decision. I'm aware of and agree with the points you make. On the other side of the scales of history is the fact that the inexperienced and mechanically imperfect HMS PoW singlehandedly stopped the German's plans to wreck the Atlantic convoy system, and that whereas the RN lost a revered and venerable 20 year old battlecruiser which comprised a relatively small part of the RN capital ship establishment and whose loss was replaced manifold, in exchange the Germans due to events precipitated at Denmark Strait lost a much vaunted nazi "uberschiff" who after 9 days at sea was put on the bottom of the ocean, a loss of 25% of the Kriegsmarine's capital ship force which was never replaced. In all likelihood this only happened because of Holland's initially unplanned interception at Denmark Strait. Unplanned in the sense that his force was originally tasked to sail to Reykjavik to refuel and from there backup the Norfolk & Suffolk, but instead had to plot a long range, high speed interception course "on the fly", which as we know would have been a perfect interception but for the temporary loss of contact with the German ships at a CRUCIAL moment just hours before battle was joined. What would have been the outcome if Holland complete with his attendant destroyer screen (which had been detached earlier to attempt to regain contact with the Germans, and as a consequence took no part in the action) had instead crossed the German's "T" at Denmark Strait, something that could easily have been achieved had it not been for the unfortunate crucial loss of contact in the early hours of 23rd May which threw all of his planning to the wind?
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  3172. Whilst concurring with most of your comment, I'd like to add some of my own thoughts. Yes, in the engagement of Bismarck / PE Vs Hood / PoW there was on paper a superiority in RN firepower BUT. 1. The 2 RN heavy cruisers were at no time in gunnery range of the Denmark Strait engagement, being in a tail chasing position and with V/Adm Holland electing to retain radio silence and not communicating his intentions to Wake-Walker in HMS Norfolk. Norfolk did fire a couple of wishful salvoes at the German ships which fell woefully short. 2. The Destroyer escort that had accompanied Hood / PoW had been detached to search northwards for the German ships when Suffolk / Norfolk had temporarily lost contact with the German ships earlier in the night, and as a consequence of their detachment were NOT at the scene of the battle... Though they did arrive shortly after the engagement had concluded and it was the destroyer HMS Electra that finally rescued the three Hood survivors. It's all very easy to make a charge of a "poor management of resources" in hindsight. But I wonder how the many armchair admirals that haunt comments would have handled a high speed interception at long range with the enemy on the very border of his intended scene of operations, in an era before satellites, over the horizon radars, GPS or even comprehensive air coverage, and then just as the plan was falling into place as planned through the "fog of war" the shadowing cruisers lose contact with the quarry shortly before contact, and all the careful plotting of the interception course has come to nought. Sitting on the sidelines picking fault, is a universe away from being in sole command of major units in a bleak stormy North Atlantic with imperfect intelligence to base your decisions on. Holland was not alone in making a "wrong call", Lütjens was in hindsight equally faulty in some of his decisions, in the immediacy of a fast moving dynamic engagement snap decisions have to be made. Make the right one and its "V/Adm Holland, the Hero of Denmark Strait"... make the wrong call and its "Why did the fool do that"?
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  3173. Thin armour? Read more about HMS Hood from reputable sources and don't listen to the uninformed nonsense spoken in comments. P.S what happened to Bismarck's "Superior Targeting Capabilities" during the two Fleet Air Arm attacks on her, or in her last battle when she failed to land a single hit on ANY of the RN ships confronting her?
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  3174.  @alexlupsor5484  Maybe the temperatures reached such a magnitude that atomic fission occured and a nuclear chain reaction took place? Nonsense, which if you take the time to read the 2 inquiries into her sinking will show you what nonsense it is you're talking.
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  3175. Nonsense. 8in HE rounds had NO chance of landing a killer blow on a magazine 6 decks down in the bowels of a ship.
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  3176.  @gordonscott528  Yes Gordon, stood at the top of the training mast. You can see videos of the hugely brave young lads doing just that here on YT, and one of the TV presenter John Noakes getting up there as well for his old TV prog "go with Noakes". There's also an "urbex" video (urban exploration) of two young lads respectfully exploring the site of the former HMS Ganges, and a local preservation group had just recently restored the 148ft high training mast to its former glory, It will probably end up standing alone in the middle of a housing estate. From what I was told life at Ganges was pretty brutal, to the extent that two lads died during training in the 1940s, after being "encouraged" into the swimming pool despite being non-swimmers, also another "boy" died after falling from the mast in 1938. I'm not ex-RN but my father was also WW2 RN. His best mate was a prewar 15 year old "button boy" as the young lads who'd topped the mast used to be called. He had a framed photo in his house of him stood at the top of the mast. Even as a 90 year old in the late 2000s he was STILL known as "Boy Mansley" but it was as a mark of respect by dad and his shipmates, ever since they'd all been aboard HMS Dorsetshire during WW2. Unfortunately all them brave men have now "crossed the bar" as the navy say. Best wishes Gordon.
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  3177. I wonder if he stood "on the button" at Ganges?
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  3178. Very good point Fox. I will have to give some further reading & thought to that point.
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  3179. Considering that HMS Hood had the same armour as contemporary WW1 battleships such as HMS Warspite that had circled alone TWICE while exposed to the concentrated fire of the ENTIRE German battle line during the battle of Jutland and survived, it was indeed a surprise when she was killed by Bismarck's million to one shot at Denmark Strait.
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  3180. It was for decades a lazy hypothesis that gained traction, but closer examination shows it to be a VERY unlikely cause of Hood's destruction.
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  3181.  @adamcarriere4465  It is reported in the book "battleship Bismarck: An Operational History" that Prinz Eugen's hydrophone operators had TWICE reported torpedo alerts in the hours before the Denmark Strait engagement. There is also the fact that at NO POINT did HMS Hood (the only one of the two British capital ships at Denmark Strait to carry torpedoes) come anywhere near within range of using her Mk4 Steam torpedoes even at their lowest speed setting. It is quite simple to demonstrate with maths and geometry (a very basic "target Motion analysis") that this is the case.
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  3182. No miracle involved in Germany's recovery. Just BILLIONS of dollars of US investment and stabilisation to rebuild the bulwark to stop the further westward advancement of the soviets post WW2.
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  3183. It always annoys me that religion always seems to preach self interest, as in "be nice and you'll get everlasting life / 1000 virgins / whatever" afterwards. What about those of us who are agnostics and even atheists who while not believing in "afterlife" "reincarnation" or whatever "rewards" are promised, just treat people decently because its how we are. Religion seems to believe that goodness and decency is inextricably linked to religious observance, and conversely any "non-believers" are inherently wicked and evil. WE'RE the true selfless types, NOT the religious nuts who act decently for some future self-interest. Anyhow lets get back to HMS Hood.
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  3184. Try using the internet to find such footage....oh you're there already !!!
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  3185.  @tomriley5790  I've given you the correct answer to your original question, but I'm sorry to tell you that I'm not a published authority on world navy's refuse disposal policies. But best of luck in your search for the answers you desire.
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  3186.  @tomriley5790  I've read multiple comments in books over the years regarding USN ships having the same practice of "gash" being thrown overboard, though as for other navies as I said I can't comment with certainty, but would strongly suspect similar arrangements to be pretty universal. All the best.
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  3187.  @tomriley5790  Can't speak for other navies, I would assume they had similar sorts of arrangements. As for the number of chutes fitted, a ship the size of a battleship has more than one galley, and swabbing dirty water from one end of a +700ft long ship to a single "gash chute" would soon become a "bit of a chore".
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  3188. Excuse Me !!!! It projects GLOBALIST power in actively assisting the influx of "new friends" as part of a globalist "joke" to destroy the United Kingdom.
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  3189.  @bluedot6933  I've known of it since school in the 1970's / 80s, and while current generations are intentionally being kept ignorant of their national histories (apart from the lefty agenda laden subjects) older generations of Europeans are known to have a far better awareness of WW2, having either lived through, or had relatives who served through the conflict.
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  3190. With the displays of US ignorance on most international historical matters in YT threads, is ANYTHING taught in US schools about non-US history?
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  3191. Darlan was not available as he was "on his day off" and could not be reached by phone, the diplomacy was mishandled by Marcel-Bruno Gensoul, his deputy, and it was HIM who was responsible for the deaths of the French sailors, hence why he refused to talk or be interviewed about the incident until the day he died.
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  3192. She bloody well should be, seeing as she displaced TWICE as much as the Counties, though she still only sported 8 x 8in guns and had no speed advantage over them either. I'd prefer to say she was more inefficiently designed than the counties.
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  3193. HMS Enterprise, which helped pick up the survivors of the county class cruisers Cornwall and Dorsetshire.
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  3194. Gee whizz... a depth charge that size would snap the ship in two if she wasn't careful. I do believe its some form of life preservation, much like what are used on modern ships, but admittedly I've never noticed them before. Well spotted.
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  3195. In memory of my great uncle D/MX 75335 Leonard Samuel Bluck who was a radio telegraphist killed at the time of the sinking of HMS Charybdis in 1943.
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  3196. Caught between Scylla and Charybdis. The Educated persons "Rock and a hard place".
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  3197. Our British Empire wasn't built by military conquest... and while at the HEIGHT of our Imperial power we outlawed human slavery, as opposed to the nazis who militarily subdued their nieghbours and then reintroduced human slavery as soon as they possibly could, just over 100 years after we Brits had ended it.
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  3198. As with the Weimar Repuclic in 1920s... the left was allowed to run riot (as it is today) to produce the chaotic social conditions conducive to bringing in world authoritarianism, this time of the corporate globalist kind.
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  3199. Why? Go live in Borneo if you don't like it here.
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  3200. YAWN !!!!! Bore off BBC.
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  3201. The Emperor's Naked !!!!!
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  3202. More globalist lackey's setting fires to push their murderous agenda.
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  3203. Anyone who knows their history well will recognise what is going on with the west over the last 20 years. It's the EXACT same methodology as was used in post WW1 Germany. During the Weimar Republic as Germany was known after WW1, the left and communism was allowed to flourish in the aftermath of the communist revolution in Russia. The German economy was crushed, her social fabric was torn, and socialist was quietly encouraged to flourish which led to further decay of the German state. That decay was a RIPE seedbed for the far right to install a totalitarian dictatorship, we now know as nazi Germany. This current chaos is being orchestrated by ALL the mainstream parties who are ALL now funded by corporate globalism via the "World Economic Forum"..... once the flames of popular indignation are fanned to furnace pitch in the UK, and the population are crying out for salvation... the very same globalists will then instigate THEIR own current day totalitarian police state. Just wait for the globalist funded British army on the streets as the public unrest starts to boil over..... just as those at the top want it to.
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  3204. Seeing as the trumped up "rate of inflation" figures bear almost NO resemblance to real world price rises a fall in that figure does NOT herald "an end to the cost of living crisis". Lowering prices, especially those of globalist owned utility companies, means an end to all the money grabbing BS that has gone on since the start of the globalist power grab with the "winter sniffles" BS. Lowering of inflation at this time of year is just a preparation for shafting wage rises come April. Whose side are GB news on?
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  3205. More media circus to keep the watching mouthbreathers entertained and distracted..... what other BS are the Westminster globalist puppets pushing through our once democratic parliament at the moment?
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  3206. Eamonn has had that "poisoned dagger" hidden & sheathed for MANY a year... waiting patiently for the inevitable fall then..... BOOM!!! Have THAT Schofield you cnut !!!!
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  3207. Don't just sound off in YT comments.... get all these "sick of the fucking wokes" sentiments out in day to day conversation.
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  3208. I once owned a sheepdog that was born in a stable...could never fit a saddle on him though.
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  3209. Never needed ANYONE to tell me how awful the BBC has become over the last 20 years or so (hence why I now on a monthly basis I throw their quasi-threatening "red letter" demands about my non payment of the Licence tax straight in the bin)...... and Its not just the BBC, ALL the mainstream media has turned on the tap of shite "multiculturalism". The lefty globalists started their fungal like "march thorugh the institutions" back before I was born in the 60s... its only now they believe they have reached "critical mass" and are intent on toppling "old" society to be replaced with the brave new world or "multiculturalism" and "diversity". The lie of "Diversity".... imagine the world as a smorgasbord of world cultures a veritable feast with a wide range of tastes, aromas, colours & textures... each interesting, and each with something to tempt the palette.... Hmmmm how DIVERSE !!! Now the globalists rock up to the "world buffet" and announce, were going to make the world "multicultural" and increase "diversity".... before sweeping all the contents off the table, into a 45 gallon oil drum, inserting an industrial paint mixer, and then ladelling out the resultant mocha coloured slop to the rest of the guests. Where exactly is the "diversity" in that? Where as before we could compare and contrast the merits of Pad Thai against those of Borscht against those of empanadas or even against those of fish and chips, we are now all served up an overflowing bowl of mocha "gloop"... a buffet where "one size suits nobody". No the truth is that the destruction of national identities and the homogenisation of humanity makes a future "one world population! FAR easier for the future "one world government" to control and move about at THEIR whim. As the "elites" are the ONLY people whose purposes are served by the shite of multiculturalism. One of the main defences we have is educating our OWN kids in "critical thinking".... and NOT leaving it to clueless young teachers who've been steeped & programmed at college in the poisonous lies of the globalist left. My kids can all think for themselves, have a healthy disregard for "soshal meeeedya" and are only too happy to speak their minds.... whether it agrees with vcurrent political "rightspeak" or not.
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  3210. Can't move nowadays in modern accounts of British history for mixed race roundheads and Celtic druids
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  3211. Yeah... you keep talking it down... no shortages on shelves in Lancashire, look if you're not happy with the state of play, go live in the EUSSR, no-one is stopping you... just go.
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  3212. Look at the comments, chock-a-block full with the programmed lefty globalist mob, if only they'd do the honourable thing, make themselves and everyone else happy, and just fück off to the EUSSR.
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  3213. He's just another quisling globalist puppet.
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  3214. Go live in the EUSSR, its paradise there. You're happy, we're happy, its just win win !!!
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  3215. I've had utterly no problems... what R U on about? Go live in the EUSSR, make yourself and everyone else happy.
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  3216. It'd be best if you leave now, go live in your EUSSR paradise.
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  3217. BANG on there Frances !!!!
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  3218. Of course its the millions of "new" hands taking from the "pot" and not contributing, together with BILLIONS spent on weapons systems for the ongoing globalist plan for "regime change" in Russia, combined with the globalist funded "mainstream political parties" running down the NHS to prepare it for hiving off into the hands of their corporate globalist paymasters at a knockdown price. Create the problem.... cause the final "meltdown" and then present the solution..... sell it at "bargain basement" price into private hands.... just as they did with the railways.... Gas.... eleccy.... water companies.... the post office.... ALL sold at knockdown prices into private hands.
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  3219. Love reading the woke comments below..... their seething anger, insults & blithering lies are balm to my soul.
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  3220. BS... ya wee hairy lefty !!!
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  3221. The Problem we face now is EDUCATION. The Education system has ALWAYS been a stronghold of the left, and now it is has gone into overdrive fucking with the minds of children who know no better. Who will we have to replace the crop of globalist orchestrated shysters who've "marched through the institutions" over the last 40 years? Our once "schools" are now "academies", directed by the same corporate globalists who have fucked us, our governments and indeed our NATIONS right up the ass. The "hand that rocks the cradle rules the world" is ALWAYS the way of political demogogues. THe Communist KOMSOMOL, the nazi "Hitler youth".... kids and the media are the TWO mainstays of power for ideologues.
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  3222. More BS globalist panic generation. It's a disaster for those directly affected by the autumnal weather, but as the globalist filth now think "Why not make a national mountain out of a local molehill". (That is NO disrespect to those directly affected) Its shit like this that makes me feel "GBN" is just another arm of the globalist organised media.
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  3223. I always WANTED to like Carol, BUT being on the panel of that godawful show telling women the "approved" subjects they should be thinking and talking about made me dislike her, even though she was sometimes an errant voice. When I go to the gym.... when I do my bike session if the TV has "loose Women" on then I have to go to the gym reception to get the TV remote to turn the shit off. Its SO unbearable. The only good thing was no one EVER stops me from changing that program over. The fact she has stood up to be counted has raised her immeasurably in my estimation. I always knew she was someone who thought for herself, and to see her stand up for it is another glimmer of hope that the whole of the media establishment does not a 100% hive mentality. Give her a show on GB news.... you'll even get my wife watching it !!! Well done Carol !!!
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  3224. Watch out Neil....the accusation of anti-semitism will be NOTHING compared to the charge of paedophilia that will be falsely levelled against you if you continue providing such eloquent monologues to a wide audience. They'll pull out some lefty dupe teenager and offer him or her free "big macs" for life to make an accusation against you. Throw enough shit and some of it sticks.
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  3225. Nail hit squarely on the head at the end there Loz.
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  3226. These migrants are shipped across europe and provided by the EU with inflatables and sent on their way across the channel..... I'm just hoping the pretend global warming allows a population of hungry great whites to survive in the channel... plenty of food for em!!!
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  3227. Isn't it telling, that while multiple news outlets have described one of the poor innocent children murdered in this outrage as "Portuguese" as her parents came to Britain from the island of Madeira, and yet not ONE of those same media outlets will describe the blood covered turd who was apprehended at the scene as "of Rwandan descent".
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  3228. The only way that they can get the "minorities" into positions of power is by the corporate globalists who now finance & corrupt the WHOLE of western politics with their filthy cash who decide who is shortlisted and "democratically elected" by the party... with the general public having NO say in the matter... until the election. "He who pays the piper decides who is placed in charge of their bought and paid for puppet political party".
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  3229. So many febrile and clueless commenters in these threads. Where has his wife or friends said "he was unwell"? I can't find ANY reference to this "unwell" nonsense from those who were present...simply boneheaded speculation from the gutter MSM then repeated by the sheep until it becomes "the truth". What I have read is he'd swam at the Agia Nikolios beach (thereby affecting his natural ability to gauge the ambient air temperature due to the cooling effect of the water),then chose to walk a reasonable short (~3km) back to their accomodation. He had an umbrella as sun protection, and possibly water in his small rucksack, he simply underestimated the conditions, became affected by heat stroke as he made his way from the beach and through Pedi, where disorientation set in which caused him to then take the wrong turn which then led him onto the barren, rocky scorching headland in the OPPOSITE direction from which he originally intended to go, then struggled on to the ONLY habitation he saw as he crossed that burning hell, and succumbed to extreme dehydration at the threshold of that refuge. The complete ignorance of SO many commenters as to the effects of heatstroke makes me wonder how we don't lose HUNDREDS of these ignoarant people every week in the Meditteranean summer.
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  3230. Sherlock's on the case here !!!
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  3231. Nothing to do with common sense. He made a misjudgement which unfortunately cost him his life.
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  3232. Hahahaha.... I know NOTHING of the French election, BUT gauging from the rabidly globalist headlines of TLDR with their "insane results" It's obviouly been a good day for reason & the centre right in France. Congratulations France.
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  3233. And so the staged political theatre that now passes for "British democracy" rolls on. How ANYONE can seriously believe that this fuckinf pretend socialist is going to "stand up for Britain" when the political party he is the puppet leader of is financed and directed by the same fucking corporate globalists who finance and direct the "tories". If this prick is rolled into Downing street, we WILL become a white minotriy in our own lifetime.
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  3234. I get that "Politics joe" detests the party named "the conservatives", but someone tell me is he suggesting the other side of the globalists dictatorship (AKA the Labour party) would do ANY better? Especially considering that all the mainstream parties in the west are pissing in the same pot?
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  3235.  @girmadesta3539  Where did I mention race or ethnicity? I talk about his greed and corruption and YOU play the race card. Have a word with yourself.
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  3236. absolutely
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  3237. All part of the ongoing dumbing down of the masses.... I was raised on a 1970s Liverpool council estate, and the level of literacy, and grasp of the English language FAR outstrips that of those edjukaytered over the last 20-30 years. Emojis anyone?
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  3238. Did anybody mention how the person now running the country has been selected off a shortlist that was bought and paid for by globalist corporatism (Sunak himself being ANOTHER alumni of the WEF)? Lets see unabridged financial accounts for ALL the major political parties shall we !!!!!
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  3239. If we've run out of gunpowder, then dust off them tumbrils or get the rope and lamp posts ready.
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  3240. When the mainstream political parties greedily filled their party coffers with filthy corporate globalist money. THey also had to accept the "globalist approved shortlists" for all political posts. Why else do this ragtag bunch of multinationals & Brit haters occupy seats previously occupied by a majority of statesmen who had the best interests of the UK at heart, and not some quota of political puppets we have to accept so that the corrupt contemporary political parties can get their hands on some filthy globalist lucre for their party funds.
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  3241. Don't worry everyone....Sacrificing 1000 years of political etiquette and heritage by filling our "multinationals & minorities" quotas is a worthwhile sacrifice so our current corrupt political parties can get their hands on some filthy corporate globalist funding. Nothing to see here.... Look everyone "love island" is coming on soon !!!!
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  3242. ALwyas happy to see people putting the boot into the tories, but if any of you actually believe that ANY of the other piles of shite that have insinuated themselves into the UK govt will do ANY better, you're absolutely barking. The truth is that each of the mianstream parties (across the west and not just the UK) are awash with filthy fucking globalist corruption. EVERY one of them whoring themselves out for the globalists corporate cash. Parliament is now truly just corporate political theatre to keep the unthunkers believing they actually have some say in the machinations that the globalists have lined up for society.
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  3243. Do you believe that the media uses the correct location in their productions? Never heard of "Spaghetti westerns"? Aww... such innocence.
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  3244. Not Spitfires, but Spanish airforce Hispano Aviación HA-1112 Buchons.
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  3245.  @ROTHSTEIN01  Weak AF.... the world's largest empire.... yeah unbeaten in 2 world wars BEFORE the Americans were dragged into them against their will.
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  3246. View on a PC and install an adblocker.... uninterrupted viewing pleasure.
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  3247. Hugh Caswall Tremenheere DOWDING.
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  3248. It still continues to impress younger viewers today !!!
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  3249. How could you be reading comments while watching the video?
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  3250. The luftwaffe had been attacking RAF Fighter Command sector airfields such as RAF Northolt, Kenley, Hornchurch and Biggin Hill which were ALL within the boundary of "Greater London" since mid July 1940. Those attacks had ALREADY caused HUNDREDS of deaths and injuries of innocent civilians by way of "collateral damage". The Luftwaffe's "accidental bombing" of south London that is often given as the reason for the RAF bombing of military targets in Berlin on the night of Aug 22/23 1940 (which also incurred a small number of innocent civilian deaths by way of "collateral damage") was in reality immaterial and merely a convenient narrative.
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  3251.  @davidscarupa1429  P.S "Bigfoot" failed his private pilots assessment and so was only used for marshalling the aircraft on the ground during filming.
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  3252.  @davidscarupa1429  Sorry to have to correct you a second time, but the Buchons were not "got from Germany", they were licence buit in Spain, and originally intended to be fitted with Daimler Benz DB 605A engines supplied by the Germans, though as it turned out this never happened, and so the first batch of Buchons were fitted with Hispano-Suiza HS 89-12Z engines. The final mark of Buchon (The HA-1112-M1L), some of which were supplied to the production company that made the film "The battle of Britain", were fitted with a 1,600 hp Rolls-Royce Merlin 500-45 engine and Rotol propeller, both purchased as surplus from the UK. I'm glad I was able to clear that misunderstanding up for you.
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  3253. "Spanish Engines"? Try British Rolls Royce Merlins, that had ironically powered the 109's nemesis the Spitfires and Hurricanes.
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  3254. Was it? At the start of WW2 all anti-aircraft fire was guided by the Mk1 eyeball, with fuses set by hand. within a couple of years radar was integrated for use as fire control, and for the allies the VT fuse made fuse setting a thing off the past. The heavy toll of allied bombers was taken by a combination of AA and fighters. I'd suggest the majority was downed by fighters. If you were to see the AA defence of allied ships in the Pacific, and the belt of AA guns across Kent that took down a large number of V1's in 1944, I think you'd question your assertion above.
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  3255.  @elizabethnicoll  The most important thing to do Elizabeth is to attempt to "deprogram" young people from the globalist BS that they're now brainwashed with in UK schools.
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  3256. I already have deleted it, with the use of an adblocker. BLISS !!!!
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  3257. Think you'll find the world is a MUCH better place because of it.
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  3258. Had NOTHING to do with the battle of Britain. I think I'll go and make Sopwith Camel comments on US air war in the pacific videos.
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  3259. Top 10 scoring RAF Fighter Command Sdqs during the battle of Britain. 1st - 603 (City of Edinburgh) Sqd (Spitfire) - 57½ confirmed kills. 2nd - 609 (West Riding) Sqd (Spitfire) - 51½ confirmed kills. 3rd - 303 (Kościuszko) Sqd (Hurricane) - 45 confirmed kills. 4th - 41 Sqd (Spitifre) - 44¾ confirmed kills. 5th - 501 (County of Gloucester) Sqd (Hurricane) - 40½ confirmed kills. 6th - 92 (East India) Sqd (Spitfire) - 40.2 confirmed kills. 7th - 602 (City of Glasgow) Sqd (Spitfire) - 36 confirmed kills. 7th - 54 Sqd (Spitfire) - 36 confirmed kills. 9th - 43 (The Fighting Cocks) Sqd (Hurricane) - 35.2 confirmed kills. 10th- 601 (County of London) Sqd (Hurricane) - 35 confirmed kills. Top 6 RAF Fighter Command Sqd (Me-109 kills) 1st - 603 (City of Edinburgh) Sqd (Spitfire) - 47 confirmed kills. 2nd - 41 Sqd (Spitifre) - 34 confirmed kills. 3rd - 501 (County of Gloucester) Sqd (Hurricane) - 30½ confirmed kills. 4th - 303 (Kościuszko) Sqd (Hurricane) - 30 confirmed kills. 5th - 54 Sqd (Spitfire) - 28 confirmed kills. 6th - 610 (County of Chester) Sqd (Spitfire) - 24 confirmed kills. Produced from the most comprehensive research ever conducted of RAF records, Luftwaffe quartermaster-general loss returns, and by the records of the location of aircraft crashed on land, carried out by John Alcorn and Dr Alfred Price in 1999-2000.
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  3260.  @TOFKAS01  Hahahaa..... you mean the "French Union"... that most of their former colonies IMMEDIATELY walked out of once it was announced, and the same "French Union" that was finally quiety dropped from the French constitution in 1996? Oh THAT "better than the Brits commonwealth"? Hahahahah what a utter nonce you are.
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  3261.  @TOFKAS01  Hahahaha, what UTTER nonsense. But thanks for confirming that you know completely NOTHING about 20th century history. The "French", Hahahaha I suggest you read some more about post WW2 dealings between the French govt and French Indo-China and Algeria, where the French savagely put down nationalist uprisings. It's creation of the postwar "French Union" which was simply rebranded imperialism and was quickly rejected by its colonies, with a fair amount of bloodshed, to be replaced with a voluntary version named the "French Communite" which folded due to the colonies all voting with their feet and leaving immediately. (With the French Govt dropping all mention of the "French Communite" from its constitution in 1990). As for your creation of the imaginary "Dutch commonwealth" shows that you're simply another YT delusional, probably directed by reading nonsense such as that spewed by the "Socialist Worker" and other "esteemed" left wing BS publications.
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  3262.  @TOFKAS01  Name me ANY other empire throughout the WHOLE of human history, that after its decline & fall managed to maintain a VOLUNTARY "commonwealth" with its former colonies, such was the two way, symbiotic nature of the British Empire's relations within its component parts. Or indeed ANY other empire in the whole of human history that when it was at the very ZENITH of its might and power unilaterally decided to outlaw human slavery? I won't hold my breath waiting for an intelligent answer from you.
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  3263. Liebe und Freundschaft von den einfachen Menschen auf der ganzen Welt zu den einfachen Menschen auf der ganzen Welt... lasst uns die globalistischen Tyrannen, die Tod und Zerstörung verbreiten, loswerden und stattdessen in Frieden leben.
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  3264. "Betrayal OF its politicians"? I assume you meant to type "betrayal BY its politicians".
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  3265. VERY few allies at this point of the war. Fighter Command in 1940 was +80% British and the British Army that defended our shores in 1940 was +90% British.
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  3266. By his superiors AND peers.
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  3267. A "yard" in the UK is a small brick walled piece of concrete where you keep your bins and chain your bike up (and indeed not so many years back also usually contained an outside toilet in a brick hut). A garden will contain a selection of shrubs / flowers / weeds, with maybe a tree and a shed.
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  3268. Your post shows the word "meshersmitt" when the word "Messerschmitt" was intended. Get your spelling right !!!
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  3269. Tonight..... From Norwich.....it's the quiz of the WEEK !!!!
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  3270.  @spikenomoon  Sorry the only "junk" in this discussion is your replies. 303 squadron were CREDITED with 58.5 kills during the battle.... save your "170 German planes shot down" nonsense for the other idiots like yourself.
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  3271.  @mazury450  On this occasion Mareczek, my comment is indeed off the mark. I've responded to your disingenuous posts on a few other threads, and omitted on this occasion to check the title of the particular video. Please do direct me to a reputable source which verifies the 200 kills. Unfortunately in the current "Brit hating" revisionist period we're being forced into, even the Imperial War Museum website now quotes incorrect information and passes it off as "official", vis-à-vis 303 squadron claiming 126 kills, but the IWM omits to use the ALL important word "claimed", and leaves the uninformed reader to believe it means "confirmed", when the post war RAF verification process credited 303 squadron with 58.5 CONFIRMED kills.
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  3272. "Intensive hairstyles"??? Goddamn autocorrect !!!
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  3273. Struan Rodger.
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  3274.  @Keithbarber  Oh definitely, I wasn't suggesting it wasn't worth shooting down for the very reason you give.... "poke the jerries eyes out" so to speak. It was a regular early morning occurance that lone aircraft would be detected on radar or reported by the ROC, and a single eager pilot or maybe a section of 3 fighters would be scrambled to intercept, but as often as not according to many pilots accounts I've read the single German aircraft would not be found, or if it was located it would try to evade in cloud.
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  3275. Not forgetting "Reverse Lend-Lease" where the British supplied the US with 30% of the material that the US supplied to Britain !!!
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  3276. Put your hand in your pocket and go retool a factory to make genuine 80 year old Me190Es then !!!!
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  3277. Hardly ANY individual RAF squadrons are named... your point is?
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  3278. Who by? You? Name me another RAF fighter command squadron during the battle without looking it up? 303 is ALL you ever hear about !!! Don't be a pre-programmed parrot drone ALL your life.
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  3279. The Me 109E (Emil) did not have a cannon firing through the hub. It did have the capability to have one fitted and originally it was trialled with one fitted but there were severe problems of the cannon overheating as it was positioned between 2 banks of 6 very hot cylinders. The problems were only solved satisfactorily in time for the ME 109F (Friedrich).
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  3280.  @TOFKAS01  The "glory" was an instrinsic part of its value. The UK was left alone, isolated in Europe against the world's then most potent military force. It's people needed to know they could survive and continue, so morale was vital.
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  3281. Don't watch them then, Mr entitled.
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  3282.  @nicholassaville1933  Ha!!! As if the USSR had nothing to do with it. The US sat watching and profitting, ensuring that the British empire bankrupted itself before allowing itself to get dragged in. Looks like you've had your 80 years in the sun, and China is now doing the same to you. At least the British empire lasted a few centuries.
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  3283.  @adamnowakowski837  Re-read my post... I clearly say František scored 30% of 303 Sqd's kill tally. 303's CLAIMED kill tally was 126 aircraft, this was reduced (along with that of ALL RAF fighter squadrons "claimed" tallies after post war research) to 57.5 CONFIRMED kills, making them the top scoring squadron in Fighter command, pipping 603 sqd's 56.5 kills. That means that František's 17 confirmed kills during the battle (all scored in Sept 1940) comprised 29.57% of 303's total confirmed kill tally.
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  3284. Millions of Indians were only too happy to serve in the British army.... the same British army that saved India from being absorbed into the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere.
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  3285. So teary that you misquoted. "Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few".
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  3286. Put your hand in your pocket and go retool a factory to make genuine 80 year old Me190Es then !!!!
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  3287. The early scenes of the film "the battle of Britain" were apparently filmed in southern Spain. Hence the very suntanned "French" peasants.
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  3288. That's what happens when the country at the centre of Europe for SEVEN years spends all its wealth and effort in preparing for war, while all its neighbours were bending over backwards to avoid it. Not to worry though, they were firmly put in their place and haven't tried it on again since.
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  3289. Inspite of what is commonly believed over 90% of transatlantic convoys made it through unscathed. Though don't let the detract from the tens of thousands of merchant sailors who died horrible deaths to see that nazism was eventually defeated.
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  3290. ALL very brave airmen, but your agenda laden comment does them no service. "Bombers refused to fly with them"? Do you realise what complete nonsense that is? Did bomber pilots get to pick and choose who flew as their escorts? In case you're unsure, I'll help you. The answer is NO.
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  3291. I wouldn't worry about it too much, experience will soon teach the silly dupes who fall for it to wise up. It seems we need to update the old adage "There's one born every minute" to "there's one born every second" nowadays.
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  3292. ​ @brainkill7034  A commercial washing machine motor. for large commercial washers, for use at say prisons, coal mines or other establishments that would generate a large volume of dirty laundry.
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  3293. The whole problem is based on a sad realisation of your own mortality, and the fact that basically what has been a MAJOR part of an individual's "raison d'etre", is NOT necessarily of the same importance to someone else. It's the fact that what YOU and your passions have assembled over the course of a lifetime will not be kept as a single entity and inevitably your life's work will be disassembled back into its original constituent parts that fills some people with unbearable existential pain. Read Percy Bysshe Shelley's poem "Ozymandias" to see the process illustrated beautifully.
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  3294. Its called political satire.... it's history spans millenia. See it as an "oil" or "catalyst" to provoke thought amongst people, and also to make fun of those at the top.... whether you choose to believe it or not, the self serving wankers at the top HATE publically being made fun of.
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  3295. Of course we need to talk about it... because we NEVER GOT Brexit..... but instead BRINO. With the same globalist puppet politicians infesting the houses of Parliament that were fighting tooth and nail to keep us IN the EUSSR prior to BRINO. The same globalist puppets taking the same globalist orders from the same globalist organisations. WEF.... UN.... WHO..... Central Banks....
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  3296. Where do all these outside nonentities come from? Who but the WEF is foisting these people on the UK? Stop voting for mainstream political puppetry parties, They're ALL financed by corporate globalism. Get these puppet outsiders OUT of the UK government !!!
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  3297. Sky news plotting elliptical "missle ranges" onto a flat Mercator projection. UTTERLY meaningless graphics. Low fi news for the low IQ masses.
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  3298. Sky news plotting elliptical "missle ranges" onto a flat Mercator projection. UTTERLY meaningless graphics. Low fi "scary" news to keep the low IQ masses fearful.
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  3299. BS start to finish. It's the US neocons who have been spreading the corporate globalist hegemony across the world, Save your BS for the non thinkers.
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  3300.  @jimmyobrien8738  All in a millisecond.
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  3301. Imploded... CRUSHED by a pressure equal to 15 tons of pressure on EVERY inch of their bodies.
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  3302.  @equalitypeace1695  Hardly a "catastrophe" worthy of this media circus over an egotist taking 4 self indulgent risktakers for a ride.... there is nothing to see here..... move along.
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  3303. Merely 5 individual tragedies. hundreds of thousands of which happen daily.
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  3304. Another little empire falls.... Philip "Ozymandias" Schofield bites the dust, just as ALL over inflated behemoths eventually do, whether they be in sport, the media, political parties or indeed nations & empires. Its that one immutable truth that gives me hope that the corporate globalist hegemony currently grabbing power across the world will eventually fall to back biting, in-fighting, egos and power struggles. I probably won't be here to see it, but I think beyond my own lifespan, and it does keep my spark of hope for mankind alive and kindling.
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  3305. ALL mainstream western political parties (not just in the UK) are now bankrolled and controlled by corporate globalism (Want to impose corporate taxes on us? We'll move our operations elsewhere if you do). National governments and establishments have over the last 30 years been subverted from within, with political appointments of previously unheard of figures to do as their corporate paymasters tell them (Whatever happened to Danny Alexander, just where did Leo Varadkhar "pop up" from? & why is the UK Archbishop of Canterbury a former city corporate banker? Etc Etc), while still giving out the appearance of being democratically elected parliaments & public serving bodies. They have effectively become a globalist puppet theatre to keep the masses hoodwinked that its all just "business as usual" in the world of politics while the reality is that political control has been usurped from publicly elected servants by publically elected servants from a globalist sponsored and financed shortlist. We've had years of "centrism", that reasonable, hard to argue against, political mis-selling that comprimise, and adherence to the "centre ground" is the best policy. What is growingly apparent is that in practice it means that when all political parties are singing from the same "hymn sheet", you've inevitably turned your society into a "brook no dissent", "alternative ideas not welcome" dictatorship. Its why governments across the western world have been able to crush civil liberties and destroy western democracy with such ease, wholly supported by the same globalist MSM to keep the populace frightened by "plandemics", "climate crises" and other contrived rubbish, without ANY organised opposition to challenge and question the ongoing narrative. Now the full might of their geo politics is turned against Russia. A Russia ruled by an unarguably dangerous & wily political operator, who will not bend to their oversight. In 1989 the forces of NATO (the NORTH ATLANTIC treaty organisation) patrolled the borders of the Warsaw Pact (Soviet backed forces), through Germany and down to eastern Italy. Its ships patrolled the eastern Med, and the Norwegian Sea. Fast forward 30 years, and we have NATO tanks carrying out exercises along the Russian border in the Baltic states and Ukraine, and Globalist controlled NATO naval forces now operate in the Black sea and on the threshold of the Kara sea, all enabled because now most eastern European countries are governed by the same globalist financed political parties that have conquered the west. That means that "NORTH ATLANTIC treaty organisation" forces are now operating a further 1000 miles eastwards away from the North Atlantic that they have EVER been. And yet we're supposed to believe that its Russia that is getting territorially avaricious? The whole of what as happened over the last 30 years is of such Orwellian evil, its hard not to believe that globalism intends to shackle us into a 1984-esque future..... and the mouthbreathing "hoi-polloi" are too busy worrying about "winter sniffles" and "wind and rain".
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  3306. You're making the mistake of actually taking notice of the BS that clueless juvenile "journalists" write. For instance how often has it been "reported" today that "his body was found in a complex series of caves, known to locals as "The Abyss""? When the first report of his body being found was CLEARLY stated to have been made from a boat several meters off the shoreline at Agia Marina? How exactly would his body be spotted from a boat in the water if it was down a cave known as "the Abyss"? Or that Mr Mosley was "walking to the centre of the island", which he NEVER was. The answer? The media, in the absence of hard facts (and quite often even in the PRESENCE of hard facts), talks absolute BS.
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  3307.  @balticstain7150  How do you know he "didn't take a hat or water"? Did Michael's wife make a video statement stating such? Or have you just read it in the thickheaded MSM? What about having an umbrella to shade himself? That keeps the sun off his head, ears and shoulders !!!
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  3308. Don't mistake childlike, juvenile "reporting" for some evil cover-up. Aging man made an ill-advised judgement call, suffered disorientation from heat stroke and blundered into a featureless, barren landscape, he made for the nearest habitation that he came upon but succumbed to dehydration on the threshold of sanctuary. "Occam's razor". Sincerest condolences to Mr Mosley's family.
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  3309. Jesus... I studiously avoided "the jab" and after 60 years find little to trust in the political establsihment anymore, but yet the level of plain idiocy in so many people never fails to surprise me.
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  3310. Only if you have no understanding of reality.
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  3311. Why make comments when you have little understanding of the situation?
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  3312. And yet, here you are?
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  3313. You're a dork?
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  3314. Most thick people have no self awareness.
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  3315. God help us.:face-blue-covering-eyes:
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  3316. Glad someone else possesses the critical faculties to be able to spot the utter BS reported by the MSM in the absence (and sometimes presence) of hard facts.
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  3317. Glad someone else possesses the critical faculties to be able to spot the utter BS reported by the MSM in the absence (and sometimes presence) of hard facts.
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  3318.  @Ryback1992  Why? do Pfizer make the Mediterranean really hot?
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  3319. He wasn't "Hiking". He attempted to take a short walk back to his accomodation, underestimated the conditions, and overestimated his endurance. A simple but tragic misjudgement.
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  3320. How do you know that he didn't?
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  3321. What about the one who goes for help? They're alone... surely you should take FOUR people?
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  3322. Best get in your bunker now and batten down the hatches mate. Save us all from you.
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  3323.  @MatthewYoung-nn7ek  No "judgement" required, young Matthew, the inanity is self evident. Try not to get so stressed, you'll pay the price when you get older.
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  3324. Why is leaving your phone at home "a bad sign"? FFS some people.
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  3325. Why do SO many un or mis informed people THINK they know that Mr Mosley "had no water" "had no hat" (but was instead shown to be using an umbrella that covered his ears and shoulders as well as his head), and that he "hadn't told his wife where he was going"? I wish more people knew the old phrase, better to keep quiet and be thought stupid than to talk complete BS and remove all doubt !!!
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  3326. What do you call a bearded individual with "meat and two veg" in a Laura Ashley Frock? A Man. If I saw him walk into the ladies toilets behind my wife he'd be getting dragged out on his arse.
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  3327. Let's all agree that everyone is freely entitled to pretend to be whatever they want to be... but the pretence starts and ends with them, unless others individually choose to join in with the pretence of their own free will. But If they DON'T want to join in with the pretence, then that's also cool.
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  3328. Danny la Rue, Hinge and Bracket and pantomime dames have a LONG tradition. But NO-ONE was EVER coerced into pretending that they were REALLY women. People are free to pretend whatever they like. Tomorrow I might want to pretend to be a banana, and find like minded people who pretend to be apples and oranges so we can all jump into a large glass fruit bowl, Who cares !!!! But the pretence starts and ENDS with the individual, if other people want to join in the pretence, thats ok, but if the majority do NOT want to join in, that's also VERY cool !!!!
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  3329. More misinformation spread by gutter MSM. Idiotic, juvenile "journalists" trying to find an "angle" on the story to make it more interesting.... "found in a complex of caves known to locals as "The Abyss" " FFS I ask you how OLD are these idiot hacks? 12?
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  3330. Where does it say he "had no water"?
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  3331. Check for what? That someone had crossed a godforsaken burning hell hole to lay down behind their fence out of sight?
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  3332. Go seek some shade and drink plenty of fluids.. I seems you're suffering from heat stroke related confusion yourself.
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  3333. You simply can't MOVE for taxis on barren, desolate, rocky, hillsides on tiny islands in the Med.
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  3334. NO, he suffered heat stroke, became confused & disorientated, took a wrong turn into an unforgiving barren, rocky landscape in blistering hot heat, and succumbed to extreme dehydration.
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  3335. We wasn't, it's simply shambolic "journalism"... no elaboration needed.
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  3336.  @docker167  Have you seen the wife or friends actually state that with your own eyes? If not why keep gossiping complete & utter unsubstantiated nonsense?
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  3337. Probably another 50,000 migrants being ushered into the UK yesterday.
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  3338. Well done, doing your own research and not just swallowing the BS that the MSM regurgitate for consumption by the unthunkers. They've gotta get the "global warming" angle into this somehow. According to the MSM I'm surprised more people don't just spontaneously combust when on holidays in sunny climes nowadays.
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  3339. Nonsense.... thats simply the "global warming" agenda stretching its muscles.
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  3340. Supposedly the ballast dumping system was automatic and needed no human input... BUT a ballast dumping system is useless when the only part of the system that possessed positive bouyancy (the crew capsule) has instantaneously imploded.
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  3341. The cost to the public purse has been MILLIONS spent on this search that could have been spent elsewhere. IF people want to do activities like this, which I VERY much believe they should be able to, they and their family should be made to sign a disclaimer waiving search and rescue at ENORMOUS cost to the taxpayer.
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  3342.  @garybezner6774  Gates and Sorros at least had the "smarts" not to get in an uncertified sub by simply relying on the promises of a woke egotist.
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  3343. My only regret is that Bill Gates and George Sorros were not in the thing.
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  3344.  @AlexJerram-mf8le  Please direct me to where I have said "they deserved this". Your words, NOT mine.
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  3345. Brave? or merely self indulgent?
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  3346. In reality with carbon fibre's tendancy to shatter rather than warp or flex its far more likely it was a case of INSTANT "lights out", FAR faster than a balloon bursting.
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  3347. Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet !!!!
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  3348. Why would anyone be carrying a dangerous weapon in a public place?
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  3349. Look what happened when the soviets placed their weapon systems on the borders of the US in 1962. America threatened the world with nuclear destruction. Fast forward 60 years and NATO advancing over 1000 miles eastwards now has its own weapons systems on the VERY border of Russia, and the globalist media puppets portray the Russian reaction as "evil Russian expansionism" and the masses swallow it hook line and sinker.
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  3350.  @kimobrien.  Hahahaha... utter BS. Was the Chinese "Great Leap Forward" the Brits fault as well? Bell end.
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  3351. Why would it "need days or weeks" to bring it up to the surface? If the sub is found and IF they can get a tether onto it, it can be brought up straight away. It is a submarine the internal air pressure is at around the same as surface air pressure. It is NOT a diving suit. There is NO need for crew decompression.
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  3352. Yes globalists are happy to be spreading that ethos across the globe.
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  3353. 1. Bittorent software 2. Create accounts with fake temp emails. 3. Install ad blockers 4. Enjoy the internet like its 1999 !!!!
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  3354. You want to use the product produced by a programmer, but the programmer themselves is meant to NOT try to make a living from his/her efforts?
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  3355. For a LONG time I have carried out my own low tech uninstall option. That is use the windows uninstaller, and then go to registry editor and do various key searches for the program and software company's name and with some judicious use of common sense deleting all relevant keys from registry. It's kept my PC working just tikkety-boo for years...but I'll give this a try out and see how it works out.
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  3356. Is it here? It was here 30 years ago.... most people only now just starting to wake up to the fact that something is not right.... and to think they all used to take the p!55 out of the preppers and survivalists years ago.
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  3357. Its so ABSOLUTELY clear why western MSM keep this man off our screens. The more you see this man speak, the more it highlights what complete and utter puppets that our supposed western "leaders" are. Ask yourself who are the REAL "string pullers" in the west? I'll give you a clue... Klaus Schwab, the WEF and US neocon corporate globalists.
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  3358.  @Эрэн-т7з  Простые люди во всем мире просто хотят жить своей жизнью при помощи и поддержке правительств, а безумные корпоративные глобалисты, захватившие контроль над миром через коррумпирование правительств, стремятся натравить нас друг на друга, чтобы продавать свое сверхдорогое оружие нынешним марионеточным глобалистским правительствам, на которые они тратят все НАШИ налоговые деньги. С наилучшими пожеланиями, от простого британца, у которого нет никаких "претензий" к простым людям в любой точке мира.
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  3359. Communism & fascism are the same thing. Authoritarianism knows no labels or "flavours"... its just the ultimate form of human greed and lust for power over others.
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  3360. You're not very worldly wise are you? Can I suggest you look up the meaning of the saying "the thin end of the wedge". Its the basis of the "drip effect". Small, initially seemingly innocuous intrusions, that over a number of years become ever more intrusive, and then when the population has been dumbed down to the point where it stops questioning those in power, the questions then become compulsory. Once every aspect of your private life is in their databases, do YOU know who is gonna be in government in 10 years time? Just think of the Jews who filled in German census forms through the late 19th and Early 20th century. Did they ever suspect that later in their lives a murderous, psychopathic regime was going to access all that accumulated data and use it as the basis for their murderous policies? Don't be so free and easy with your personal information.
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  3361. When you say "the right thing" do you mean stoking up war for the benefit of the corporate globalist MIC after NATOhas already pushed 1000 miles EASTWARDS?
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  3362. Absolutely GREAT to see level headed, erudite and capable people such as yourself, putting their head above the parapet and voicing their valid concerns about "the message". Thank Christ I left the Fire Brigade after 30 years of frontline service 10 years ago, I saw all this BS coming in for the last 10 years or so of that service (you would not BELIEVE some of the utterly ludicrous policies, complete with resultant unforeseen consquences, that were introduced), and to hear the sort of continual, irrational nonsense that is passed down from government to local authority to management to the "coal face" is SO dispiriting, you know the old saying that "shit rolls downhill"... but then when that shit hits the fan as its now doing in many different aspects of society, all the fecking pen pushers, the types who can't wipe their own arse without getting it in their hair, come pleading to exactly the kind of long serving experienced people that they had legislated against and undermined for the previous 20-30 years to pull their arses out of the shit. I'm so sorry that you feel unable to serve in a vital job that you obviously have loved because of the constnat "message". But you're doing the right thing, finding your fulfilment elsewhere, better to serve yourself and your loved ones now than let these corporate globalist puppets take the piss out of you any longer.... leave them to stew in the shitpit that they created.
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  3363. Abso-fecking-lutely... and all enabled by the bought and paid for mainstream political parties of the west. Bought and paid for by corporate globalism directed by the WEF. The same people who are orchestrating the war in Ukraine, to further empty trillions of dollars of public tax payer's cash into the private globalist bank accounts of the MIC.
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  3364.  @RyanW2763  I spy yet ANOTHER clueless, delusional nazi entralled teenager. Go polish your repro HJ dagger before bedtime kid, you've got junior school in the morning !!!!
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  3365. No, you're just clueless.
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  3366. Stick to your own language... the English one is clearly beyond you.
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  3367. Just do what national governments do with their electorates. Tell them they're doing one things, while actually doing the complete opposite.
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  3368. ​ @CArchivist  Accusing your corespondent of "whataboutism" is a defence used by those who want to airbrush the rest of history out of existence to bolster their own poisoned narrative and set it in a blinding, though thoroughly unrealitic relief, in your case by ignoring ALL of the slavery by many many empires since the beginning of human "civilisation". Why do YOU feel the need to focus on "the Atlantic slave triangle" and not the countless millions of Africans, Arabs and Europeans enslaved by the Egyptian, Roman or Achaemenid Empires for example. Empires who without the ingenuity to kickstart the "industrial revolution" based their WHOLE economy on human slavery? You even choose to ignore the plight of countless MILLIONS of WHITE slave labourers in the industrial economies of the world through the 19th and 20th centuries. Why not apply the same amount of scrutiny to the genocide of the "First nation" Indians at the hands of the US government? Or the hundreds of millions who died at the hands of communist tyrannies throughout the 20th century? Do you place as much emphasis on the ABOLITION of the slave trade by the BRITISH empire? The empire who when it was at the very APEX of its might, standing Colossus like across the globe, with no other competing power able to control it's desires, in THAT moment it unilaterally and against the wishes of many of those competitors decided to outlaw human slavery, and then set its full naval might to police and enforce that decision. I suspect not. I smell an upper middle class, self hating lefty turd in the conversation.....
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  3369. You forgot the word "frontally".
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  3370.  @JDA2185  Read how Marshall Zhukov himself openly thanked the US saying that without US aid (and a sizeable proportion of British aid as well that went unthanked) he would not have been able to conduct operations against the Germans. The Red army easily overran its own resources, and was quickly shrunk after WW2 because of it.
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  3371.  @JDA2185  Russian divisions are like US or British regiments. Don;t get carried away with the numbers. Plus the USSR had only got where it was due to British intelligence and an unending supply mostly or US but also British war materiel & fuel. If that "tap" was turned off, the USSR would have held out for a couple of months and then crumpled, much like they would have done in 1942 / 43 if it hadn't been for the western nations.
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  3372. Why so certain it would have been a failure? The aim of "Unthinkable" was to return soviet forces back to their pre 1939 borders and not the destruction of the USSR itself. An horrific bloody catastrophe for sure, but if all the available pieces of western Europe military power had been harnessed its aims could have certainly been achieved. Luckily for Europe and its peoples the political will was not there.
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  3373. These things take time.
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  3374. That's simply a matter of nomenclature... In a similar way that the rest of the world doesn't know the difference betyween "England" "Great Britain" and the "United Kingdom".
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  3375. Such a pity you weren't there in the front line in summer 1945, eager to lead the charge.
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  3376. You spoiled that post by the nonsensical "Churchill gave Europe away to Stalin" at the end?
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  3377. Yes the duped populations of the west are not supposed to realise that today's world troubles are a DIRECT result of spreading US hegemony.
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  3378. Great video on this topic, of which I know quite a few details but not in this depth... I will certainly be reading Mr Walker's book on the subject. As I always say in various vids on YT that cover UK / Polish relations during the mid 20th century, when contemporary Poles / socialists whinge about "Britain's betrayal of Poland and eastern Europe after ww2", It's such a pity that instead of whinging from the safety of their keyboards 80 years after the event, that instead THEY were personally present on the front lines in the summer of 1945 ready and eager to lay down THEIR own lives for the good of eastern Europe instead of bemoaning that millions of OTHER people didn't lay down THEIR lives.
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  3379. yad yada yada..... ZZZzzzz.....
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  3380.  @andrewmckenzie292  The ranged forces of corporate globalism are currently intent on doing just that, to see regime change in Russia so that yet another WEF globalist puupet can be placed on the "throne" of the Russian Duma and they can then rape Russia's natural resource pool for the benfit of the "1%". All under the cover of "opposing Russian militarism".
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  3381. Fascinating video overall. The use of that turd Trudeau to represent "communists in the west" was textbook stuff.
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  3382. I know... with hindsight what an idiot.
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  3383.  @andrewmckenzie292  The strategic aim of "Unthinkable" was to push the soviet forces back to their pre 1939 borders and NOT the total destruction of the USSR.
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  3384. The Guarantee of Polish borders by Britain & France in 1939 was NEVER seen as a promise of direct military aid to Poland? It was a "line in the sand" that had been drawn by Britain and France in the vain hope that the threat of a war against both Britain and France would by itself stop further German expansionism. The truth was that neither Britain or France were prepared for, or indeed wanted to resort to, war.
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  3385. Am I completely missing the point? Isn't "Jewishness" purely defined on a RELIGIOUS basis? Of being of the Jewish faith? Where does the idea of "race" come into it at all? If I was born in Israel to Christian / Muslim / Buddhist / "your religion here" parents I wouldn't be "Jewish" just as a person in Britain born and raised in the Jewish faith could be reasonably defined as a "British" or even "European" Jew? I'm not an expert (I'm sure that's self evident) but are there black skinned Jews in the world? Can gentiles "convert" to Judaism as in the Catholic church? or must you be born of existing Jewish descent? Could a black Angolan catholic convert and be accepted into the Jewish faith and be an Angolan Jew? A cursory internet search suggests that you can convert to Judaism, that would indicate to me that it is NOTHING at all to do with "race", as I cannot "convert" to become an Australian Aborigine or Russian Tatar? My questions are sincere even if my understanding of the subject matter is of a low order.
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  3386. Without British "beans" Moscow would today have swastikas flying over the Kremlin.
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  3387. It was central in the start of the first world war... having so many nations in close proximity to one another with limited resources is a surefire way of creating national tensions.
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  3388. More clueless yankee BS.
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  3389.  @PerPress  "Britain should have stayed out of the world wars"? No I much prefer not having had to spend my 60 years living under a "Pax Germanica" with a totalitarian govt, einsatzgruppen stalking the shires and death camps in the Cotswolds, Pennines and Scottish Highlands.
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  3390.  @PerPress  Just to clarify that although war was declared by the UK and France on 3rd sept 1939, it was in response to repeated and flagrant transgresions of international law by the nazi German regime.
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  3391. ​ @thegreatmr.a3846  Like Sweden the USA up until the German declaration of war upon her on 11th Dec 1941, was neutral, and was "morally" (as if that had ANYTHING to do with matters) entitled to sell to EITHER side of the European war, which is why the precursor to "Lend-Lease" that is the US policy of "Cash and Carry" was passed by US congress in Sept 1939. The prior US Neutrality Acts of 1935/36/37/early 39 had all completely prohibited the sales of military goods to foreign combattants, as it was publicly felt across the world after WW1 that the fledgling "Military industrial complex" had it's dirty hands in upto the elbows in the continuation of WW1 to "line its own pockets". (How anyone could believe such slander against peace loving arms companies is beyond me). But under pressure from the ever powerful US "business community" and individual US corporations with their associated "political funding" (a.k.a corruption) the US govt was tacitly forced to acknowledge that US businesses (and consequently the US Govt) was missing out on a BUMPER payday with the outbreak of war in Europe in Sept 1939, and with that in mind the above mentioned "Cash & Carry" policy was passed which for the first time since WWI allowed US companies to sell their wares to foreign combattants, and make HUGE profits in the process. It was ostensibly a neutral policy whereby ANYONE could conduct legal military business with US companies, as long as they paid up front and made their own arrangements for transportation of the goods purchased, but in practice it was skewed towards the British as it was obvious that the nazi regime would be highly unlikely to be able to transport purchased goods across the Atlantic, but generally the principle of aiding two of your largest competitors to knock seven kinds of shit out of one another while you reap the profits made and still makes good business sense..... even if one of those customers was then beginning their murderous policies against their own and neighbouring populations... who cares, profits are profits !!!! But, If the US had REALLY wanted to purely "help Britain" in its "hour of need", then instead of bleeding the British empire dry and causing its collapse, they could have, as one example, sold a production license for Tetra Ethyl Lead (or TEL - The compound required for the production of hi-octane fuels) to Britain when we applied to purchase one from the "Standard Oil of Jersey City Company" in 1938.... Instead "Standard Oil" & the US Govt refused to sell one to "their British cousins". But simultaneously they both had NO qualms though about providing the exact same licence to the nazis when they applied to purchase one prewar. But when it came to Britain the US preferred to strip the British of ALL their gold, cutting edge technology and military bases around the world during the British "hour of need" in return for a supply of amongst other things, US produced hi-octane fuel. Where there nazi sympathies in the Standard Oil boardroom and in some parts of the US Govt? The truth is so unsavoury were the business practices of the US "Standard Oil" company (such as seeking furtive routes and brokering shady deals to supply nazi Germany with fuel and oil via neutral nations during the war) that it's activities were investigated and closely monitored by the US Govt... but only AFTER the they had been DRAGGED into WW2 in Dec 1941 by the German declaration of war on the US!!! The reason Britain was refused a TEL license was geopolitical, in that the British empire had a PLENTIFUL supply of oil from its colonies in British Guyana and Persia, whereas Germany did not. Why would the US sell a geopolitical advantage to one of their largest competitors to produce their own Hi-Octane fuel when they could instead milk the British Empire out of all its wealth? The US "business community" engaged in VERY profitable business dealings with BOTH sides throughout WW2. US corporations such as Ford, General Motors, US Standard Oil, IBM, Kodak, Chase Bank, Coke-Cola (to name but a few) carried on "business as usual" with nazi Germany THROUGHOUT WW2. Ford's auto production facility in Cologne and General Motor's Opel subsiduary plant in Berlin were both busy working 24/7 THROUGHOUT WW2 furnishing the nazis with approximately 60% of the Wehrmacht's military transportation needs, as well as a sizeable chunk of the Luftwaffe's aero engine requirements... all the better for attacking Britain with eh, and all the while providing US companies with BILLIONS of dollars in profit, and the US govt with millions of dollars of tax revenue The "ALuminum COrporation of America" (ALCOA) for instance supplied SO much aircraft grade aluminium to nazi Germany in the late 1930s and into the early 1940s that it actually caused shortfalls within the US government's own military aircraft production schedules during the same period, so much so that in June 1941 the situation prompted Harold Ickes, US Secretary of the Interior, to go on record as saying “If America loses this coming war, it can thank the Aluminum Corporation of America”.
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  3392. If I could just add to one point you made, while the US did sell supplies to the UK, you've omitted to state that they ALSO simultaneously sold them to the nazis, as they indeed continued to do THROUGHOUT WW2. It's a HUGE point thats rarely if ever covered in the usual narrative of WW2.
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  3393. What? Spreading tyranny and death camps across Europe?
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  3394. Would you be so kind as to explain your theory in some more detail please? maybe with examples?
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  3395.  @ducklinglibrary7941  Please ignore "James" (who I also believe parades as "Mark Harrison") he is a serial nazi apologist with absolutely no idea of world events. Don't get him started on his theory about why he believes a Jewish businessman bribed Churchill to flood Europe with muslims. I kid you not, that's the sort of utter idiocy he expresses.
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  3396. All the generated fear causes the febrile imaginations of the tax payers to CLAMOUR for higher "defence spending" and more public money heading into corporate coffers... a bit like the "covid" BS.
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  3397.  @alanjm1234  A "slight chance"? The nazis had not bothered negotiating over the remilitarisation of the Rhineland, destabilised the Austrian Govt and assasinated its Preseident, after the Czech crisis with Hitler's declaration of "I have no more territorial demands within Europe" then almost immediately went on the invade the rest of Czechoslovakia, before staging the fake attack on the Radio station at Gleiwitz as an excuse to invade Poland. Of COURSE he was going to attack France and the UK, but only after having absorbed the rest of the eastern European countries in peace one by one. Britain and France had the foresight to not let Hitler have things on his own terms, and drew the warning line in the sand over Poland. All Hitler had to do if he wanted to avoid war was withdraw from Poland, but that was never his intention and so he by his actions was the cause of WW2.
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  3398. "Hitler had no ambitions on Britain". Is that the same Hitler who after he received the Sudetenland decreed "I have no more territorial demands in Europe" on 26th Sept 1938? Just 3 months before "absorbing" the REST of Bohemia, Moravia & Slovakia and 1 year before he sent the German wehrmacht into Poland? Hitler didn't want "war with Britain" until HE was ready for it on HIS terms. Luckily for the rest of Europe, Britain & France weren't willing to wait for that to happen.
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  3399. What would YOU do if your neighbour decided that they wanted YOUR house and were prepared to eject you by force? Oh superior one.
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  3400. Delusional. Do you REALLY believe nazi Germany saw Britain as "an equal"? The Germans wanted a supplicant Britain that would do as it was told by its newly install nazi puppet govt. Undoubtedly ending up with death camps in the English Pennines and the Scottish Highlands.
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  3401. Nazi Germany was by FAR the biggest "clear and present" danger to western Europe in the 1930s.
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  3402. No... in summer 1940 Britain WAS alone. Unless that is you can provide us with the details of the luftwaffe air assaults on Canberra, Ottawa, Delhi and Wellington? Or how the Wehrmacht stood poised to launch its invasion of the Indian sub continent or Canada? Or how the Kriegsmarine attempted to strangle the British Empire out of the war by enforcing a u-boat blockade of Australia and New Zealand? Oh news just coming in...... NONE OF THOSE THINGS HAPPENED because the ONLY nation facing ALL of those threats between July 1940 and April 1941 was GREAT BRITAIN ALONE. And if you want to correctly argue that Britain was supplied by its empire and the US then remember to add that nazi Germany was also supplied by its OWN empire of its recent European conquests (including some of the most heavily industrialised nations on the planet), as well as MILLIONS of tons of food, fuel and raw materials from their "best friend forever" the USSR (well, at least until 22nd June 1941), and also from Spain, Finland, Sweden & the Balkans... oh and not forgetting that the US also supplied HUGE amounts of raw and finished materials to the nazis AS WELL as it did to the British, being a neutral profiteering bystander as it was until Dec 1941!!! In 1940 Britain saved itself INSPITE of the US as much as it did BECAUSE of the US.
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  3403.  @AthelstansSuccessor  You've not learned to identify a sore arsed nazi fanboi at first sight yet have you?
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  3404. Fuck sake the cuckoo brigade are thick in comments here.... Go polish your Hitler Youth dagger before bedtime, kid.
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  3405. It's not good for ANYONE when one nation is dominating the continent.
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  3406. Cuckoo !!! Cuckoo !!!
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  3407. Yes...yes...yes. Now go get your warm milk and biscuit. The nurse will be with you shortly.
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  3408.  @Beensash  Correct, Beenash. The OP is also blissfully unaware in their own ignorance that Churchill held NO office within the UK govt throughout the 1930s, and had NO direct bearing on Britain's international policy... though I was waiting to use that as the "Coup de grâce" to their BS.
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  3409. Don't forget the quongians sent the zebedians into Germany to destablise the Carnoogians to strengthen the position of the German Flarbadian party.
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  3410. The US "had Britain's back" did it? You do realise that the US business community was greedily making vast profits from BOTH sides of the European war until Germany declared war on you? The US "business community" engaged in VERY profitable business dealings with BOTH sides throughout WW2. US corporations such as Ford, General Motors, US Standard Oil, IBM, Kodak, Chase Bank (to name but a few) carried on "business as usual" with nazi Germany THROUGHOUT WW2. Ford's auto production facility in Cologne and General Motor's Opel subsiduary plant in Berlin were both busy working 24/7 THROUGHOUT WW2 furnishing the nazis with approximately 60% of the Wehrmacht's military transportation needs, as well as a sizeable chunk of the Luftwaffe's aero engine requirements... all the better for attacking Britain with eh? The "ALuminum COrporation of America" (ALCOA) for instance supplied SO much aircraft grade aluminium to nazi Germany in the late 1930s and into the early 1940s that it actually caused shortfalls within the US government's own military aircraft production schedules, so much so that in June 1941 the situation prompted Harold Ickes, US Secretary of the Interior, to go on record as saying “If America loses this coming war, it can thank the Aluminum Corporation of America”. With "friends" like the US "business community" "watching your back" who needs enemies?
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  3411.  @JamesHenderson-wk4hd  Please explain? Churchill wanted war? Who was it who was making unannounced attacks on unsuspecting neighbours through the late 1930s? The British? I'll leave that awkward fact with you.
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  3412. "why would (Britain) allow Hitler the steps he took to getting back the pieces taken at Versailles?" Think about the "Great Depression" from 1929 onwards, national budgets have been crushed by the economic downturn, nations are struggling to run their own internal affairs without taking on MASSIVE new external problems. When you say "Nobody thought that the USSR was a military power" can you provide some sources for that?
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  3413. And if my Auntie Elsie had a pair of bollocks she'd be my uncle Eddie.
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  3414.  @PerPress  A deeply unfortunate result of the French and British realising too late that they were dealing with an untrustworthy, tyrannical despot, and buying time to progress their own rearmament at the expense of the fledgling Czech nation. Of course the nazi Germans, when given an inch (the Sudetenland) took the whole mile (The rest of Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia). The Czech crisis in my mind is (from the British /French perspective) an understandable but deeply unfortunate part of interwar diplomatic history.
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  3415.  @PerPress  At Yalta in February 1945 the US secretly brokered a deal with the USSR without the knowledge of the British. The US accepted that the USSR gets to retain eastern & central Europe within its own "sphere of influence" while in return the USSR agreed to declare war on Japan in Manchuria, splitting the Japanese, and lowering the risk to the US of a pending invasion of the Japanese home islands (operation Downfall) as at the time of the Yalta conference the Americans had still not successfully test detonated their first atomic bomb. Also Stalin would agree to sign up to the fledgling United Nations...... and for those two pay offs the US was happy to sacrifice hundreds of millions of Europeans to 45 years of communist tyranny.
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  3416.  @NobleBoss  Why argue with a delusional? They will only attempt to drag you into their cuckoo world, and lose you because they know the geography of their own invented world better than anyone else?
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  3417. Another clueless nazi fan child.
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  3418. Cuckoo !!! Cuckoo !!!
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  3419.  @johncorrigan6516  Aye, hindsight is a wonderful thing, that's unfortunately never available at the time it's needed.
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  3420. "The British army of WW2 was a joke." German Army during WW2 - 12.5 million men US Army during WW2 - 8.6 million men Red Army During WW2 - 11.5 million men Japanese army during WW2 - 6 million men British Army during WW2 - 3.5 million men Here is the verbatim text of an intelligence report compiled by the headquarters of the German Heer's (army) IV korps which in May 1940 had fought against the BEF during the whole of the French campaign. The report was circulated to the German army units that were then preparing for Seelowe. It stated: "The English soldier is in excellent physical condition. He bears his own wounds with stoical calm. The losses of his own troops are discussed with complete equanimity. He does not complain of hardships. In battle he is tough and dogged. His conviction that England will conquer in the end appears unshakeable.... The English soldier has always shown himself to be a fighter of high value. Certainly the Territorial divisions are inferior to the Regular troops in training but where morale is concerned they are their equal.... In defence the Englishman takes any punishment that comes his way" We possess the type of "fighter of high value" that pulled your sorry strutting asses out of the shit at the likes of Kasserine in 1942 when the American army's first team were THRASHED by Rommel's "second eleven", and then came to the rescue during the nazi's 1944 Ardennes offensive which knocked the US divisions for six..
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  3421.  SOULBREAKER-se8bq  Looks like Shibomesama's "return" key is malfunctioning. Either that or its a device to hide the fact that they don;t have an answer for my question.
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  3422.  @ShimobeSama  Oh dear how CLUELESS can you be? Do you STUPIDLY think it's the UK alone thats being colonised and flooded with a globalist generated influx of economic migrants? You've never travelled to major cities in Italy, France, Spain, Sweden and Norway have you? Keep drinking the globalist kool aid.
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  3423.  @ShimobeSama  What on EARTH makes you think that it is solely the UK that is the one pushing war in Ukraine? I Fully accept that the Ukraine narrative as put out across the globalist controlled MSM is complete BS, but its NOT the UK directing the "orchestra" but stateless globalist corporations who with their "boys club" of the WEF use their power to direct NATO via their bankrolling of all the mainstream political parties in the west who are pulling the strings. Cast your aspersions over the likes of Klaus Schwab, George Soros and Bill Gates. Sunak and the globalist puppet govt now ensconced in Westminster, just the same as most governments across the west are all now simply proteges of the WEF's "global leaders of the future" program. What's incredible is that Putin himself is ALSO an alumni of the same WEF program, but I guess he refuses to enter the globalist "lockstep", and so now has to be "removed" by ongoing "regime change" efforts by the rest of the globalists. And of course the continued diversion of trillions of western tax dollars into the globalist owned "military industrial Complex" with the continued ramping up of WW3 fears is also a HUGELY profitable income stream for the globalists.
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  3424. Britain as well as all other major European countries strive to keep ANY one nation from becoming too powerful.... just as we ourselves never sought to become omnipotent in Europe. Please explain how you reckon Britain keeps other nation's at war exactly?
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  3425. Funny the BS people can "seem to remember".
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  3426.  @sverretoemmerdal  No problem Sverre, I just get tetchy with Americans in YT comments nowadays trying to make out that they CHOSE to enter the war, which was NEVER their intention, instead they really wished to carry on profiterring from BOTH of the warring sides in Europe as they continued to bomb each other into the ground. All the best from the UK (P.S Your English is really very good.)
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  3427. They did not "intervene", they were dragged in to the war against their free will when war was declared AGAINST them. "Intervention" means the action was taken by the choice of the intervener, which in the case of the US's involvement in the European war was NOT the case.
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  3428. And you think submitting to the nazis in 1940 would have been a better option? That's like saying "I'm not happy with the shape of my nose, I know I'll cut my head off".
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  3429. @czeroxd "Roosevelt redoubled his efforts before Congress to increase the manufacture of weapons and to be able to send them directly to those who fought against Germany" What nonsense. Roosevelt oversaw the enrichment of US corporations and subsequently the US itself as they supplied both raw materials AND finished equipment and services to BOTH sides of the European war. The US "saved" NO-ONE. We in the UK BOUGHT supplies from the US, who were also at the same time selling supplies to the nazi regime and made massive profits off the nazis through Ford's auto factory in Cologne and General Motor's Opel subsiduary in Berlin who were amongst the MANY other US corporations who continued to deal with nazi Germany THROUGHOUT WW2. We in the UK bought supplies in exactly the same way as Germany bought millions of tons of raw and finished materials, food and fuel from the US, USSR, Romania, Finland, Sweden, the Balkans, and the collective raped economies of her European conquests. Meanwhile Britain survived ALONE against the full might of the Wehrmacht for a full TWELVE MONTHS, without a single US serviceman helping, thereby saving the idiot US from it's own "isolationist's nightmare" of being sandwiched between a nazi controlled Europe and a Japense controlled Asia. The UK saved ITSELF, INSPITE of the US as much as it did BECAUSE of the US.
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  3430. Another clueless lefty.... the UK DID stand alone, that is unless you can provide us with the details of the luftwaffe air assaults on Canberra, Ottawa, Delhi and Wellington? Or how the Wehrmacht stood poised to launch its invasion of the Indian sub continent or Canada? Or how the Kriegsmarine attempted to strangle the British Empire out of the war by enforcing a u-boat blockade of Australia and New Zealand? Oh news just coming in...... NONE OF THOSE THINGS HAPPENED because the ONLY nation facing ALL of those threats between July 1940 and April 1941 was the United Kingdom ALONE. And if you want to correctly argue that Britain was supplied by its empire and the US then remember to add that nazi Germany was also supplied by its OWN empire of its recent European conquests (including some of the most heavily industrialised nations on the planet), as well as MILLIONS of tons of food, fuel and raw materials from their "best friend forever" the USSR (well, at least until 22nd June 1941), and also from Spain, Finland, Sweden & the Balkan countries... oh and not forgetting that US owned companies also supplied HUGE amounts of raw and finished materials to the nazis AS WELL as it did to the British, being a neutral profiteering bystander as it was until Dec 1941!!! In 1940 Britain saved itself INSPITE of the US as much as it did BECAUSE of the US.
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  3431. Shouldn't you be out selling your copies of "The Socialist Worker"?
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  3432. And also leaves the Balkans / central / Eastern Europe and the western USSR under nazi control.
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  3433. Luckily people more intelligent than yourself were running the "show".
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  3434. "suffer the most"? FFS Millenial !!! You don't know you're born !!! You got it the easiest of ANY generation EVER !!!!
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  3435. There's none so blind as those who won't see.
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  3436. The average Britain couldn't tell you where Ukraine is, and cares even less about it. As for the Westminster globalist puppet government, they will do ANYTHING that the neocon globalist US tells it to do. We British taxpayers sit and watch our public funds being spent on US weapons to effect regime change in Russia.
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  3437. The loss of your support won't be noticed. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
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  3438. Aided by the Roosevelt administration who is seems thought the Soviets were the best thing since sliced bread.
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  3439. Another easily duped nazi apologist. Do you mean an "ally" of the nazis in the same way as the soviets were before the nazis turned on them when they felt the time was right?
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  3440.  @PerPress  I would prefer to live under NEITHER. A "German protectorate" would have been governed by a British puppet nazi govt, likely with the eventual introduction of concentration camps to the British Isles... Imagine the likes of Auschwitz, but in the Cotswolds, Pennines or Scottish Highlands? Together with Gestapo tyranny and SS Einsatzgruppen roaming the British counties looking for "undesirables", together with the forced deportation of all UK males of working age to be slaved to death in nazi armaments factories or infrastructure projects? And life under the soviets would be as bad, if not WORSE !!! But as I said the nazis were the most dangerous GROWING physical threat to the UK at that time. And today some clueless commenters, ignorant of the easy democratic life they've been gifted by the "greatest generation" over the last 80 years, often comment "Look at today's Britain.... Why did we bother going to war in 1939" While at the same time being completely oblivious to the likely outcome for our country if we HADN'T gone to war at that point.
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  3441.  @PerPress  By "one sided" I guess you mean we, the British, didn't declare war on the USSR as well, but what do you expect? The British empire to simultaneously take on the the world's LARGEST military force (the USSR) together with the world's best prepared and most powerful military force (nazi Germany) at the same time? The British government assessed the geopolitical situation and quite correctly decided that nazi Germany was by FAR the most "clear & present" danger to the British Isles, FAR more than the USSR. Also even a cursory glance through Hitler's "Mein Kampf" showed that his first intention was to expand his new German reich eastwards to the urals, so that being the case why would the British declare war against the USSR when: a. Britain had NO practical way of attacking the USSR. b. By doing so Britain would simply push the USSR & nazi Germany deeper into a co-operative and potentially unbeatable alliance, when everyone knew that as things stood the two were headed for an almost inevitable conflict with each other.
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  3442.  @PerPress  You seem ignorant of the fact that German troops had been killing innocent Polish citizens for two full days before Britain and France declared war on Germany.
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  3443.  @NoneofyourBusiness-ce7qh  So what exactly had Austria and Czechoslovakia done to goad the German people into taking over their countries? The tales of Polish victimisation of Ethnic Germans is just a pretext and excuse for the German invasion of Poland. Don't be fooled otherwise.
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  3444.  @PerPress  Oh, so its ok for the Germans to commit an unprecedented 56,000 initial murders of British civilian innocents (plus further tens of thousands of other civilian innocents murdered across the continent) with their civilian bombing but it is only when the allies show them how to do it properly that it THEN becomes "a crime"? The lesson Germany and others took away from WW2 was "DON'T initially do unto other's as you DON'T want them to do to you later on". "Wind and Whirlwind".
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  3445. You need some more work on your Geography. The Dardnelles campaign was fought against the TURKS. I don't remember Churchill declaring war against Turkey in WW2? P.S Fight the Germans and prevent nazi extermination camps, SS Einsatzgruppen and enforced deportation to Germany for the purposes of human slavery occuring in the UK. Isn't it strange how nazi sympathisers like people to forget about what "would have been" if we'd NOT fought?
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  3446. Why's that? Is it because NATO has advanced 1000 miles EASTWARDS over the last 30 years? Remind me what happened when the USSR sited nuclear missiles 90 miles of the coast of the USA in 1961?
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  3447. Luckily more intelligent people than yourself were directing the war aims of the British Empire at the time. When devious nazi fanboi idiots and other assorted uninformed loons such as yourself say "Hitler never wanted war with Britain and France" they ALWAYS miss off the part that says "until he was ready for it on his OWN terms". Because of course Hitler laid all his hopes on being left to expand the nazi empire EASTWARDS in peace, assimilate his new found conquests with their collective economies and resources, further build up his military power and only THEN conquer France followed by Britain (or possibly impose a crushing "pax Germanica" on the UK as they did with Vichy France), they had already attempted such a feat TWICE BEFORE in the previous 70 years, once in 1870 and again in 1914, the THIRD attempt in 1940 was precipitated by the British and French not sitting and waiting for it to happen on Hitler's terms. If we had've waited the outcome would have been much MUCH different from the destruction of nazism in 1945. Not confronting Hitler in 1939 would have resulted with Britain by the late 1940s onwards having: A puppet nazi government, a nazi supporting King Edward VIII restored to the throne, and the UK as a nazi satellite state. Extermination camps in the Cotswolds, Pennines & Scottish Highlands. SS Einsatzgruppen stalking the shires looking to find "undesirables" to summarily execute. All UK males of working age being deported to the reich to be slaved to death in nazi armaments factories or infrastructure projects. And now, slimy nazi fanbois and other devious loons want the uninformed to think that letting Hitler conduct his plans undisturbed would mean that we would have a Britain today filled with Rose cottages, warm beer, bar skittles, Morris dancers & village cricket. How utterly devious those people are, people with greater awareness of the situation don't fall for their nazi apologist nonsense.
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  3448. How on EARTH can you describe the British Empire which OUTLAWED international human slavery as "evil" and yet stupidly think of the nazis who reintroduced it into Europe 100 years later as well as murdering MILLIONS of people in 5 short years as "the good guys"?
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  3449. James has never forgiven Churchill for robbing him of his dream of being a death camp guard in the English Pennines or Scottish Highlands.
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  3450. Please tell us how Britain ruled over Europe? Then again don't bore us because it NEVER DID. There's NOTHING wrong with keeping a balance of power where no single country throws its weight around at the expense of it's neighbours. France had LOTS of nice things..... Algeria, Tunisia, French West & Equatorial Africa, Cameroon, Syria, Madagascar, French Indo China, French Guyana. LOTS of "nice things".
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  3451. Northern Ireland is United Kingdom. Can you STILL not understand that?
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  3452. On our doorstep?
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  3453. If it was upto me, I would have left you and your family under the nazi jackboot.
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  3454. The WEF using its puppet nations to sand off against one another, frightnening the mass of unthunkers so that their MIC can rape the public purse and transfer the world's entire wealth into their own corporate globalist pockets.
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  3455. Aye, we told em to "feck off" in 1940 and did the same again in 2016.
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  3456.  @TheImperatorKnight  Feck sake TIK... Say it like it is !!! I'm so VERY glad to hear that your view coincides EXACLTY with my own. I prefer the "EUSSR" myself though.
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  3457. So nothing to do challenging and confining the history of German expansionism within Europe during the 19th and 20th centuries then?
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  3458. The British were in an even worse, unprepared state in 1938 than they were in 1939. The Sudeten Crisis was the clarion call to Britain & France that it was going to HAVE to face down nazism, and so initiated a last minute rushed military spending program in Britain, one of the most crucial products of that spending being the "Chain Home" RDF network around the southern and eastern shores of Britain, and without which Britain may have been bombed into submission in 1940.
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  3459.  @nickarnold814  Sorry for the late reply, YT increasingly does not bother to notify me of replies, and I just stumbled on your question. The reason that Britain and France drew that final "line in the sand" at the Polish border for Germany (after the German re-militarisation of the Rhineland, the Anscluss of Austria, the Sudeten deal and the subsequent occupation of the rest of Czechoslovakia) was quite simple, they believed that the nazi leadership would be intimidated by the prospect of war with the combined economic might of the British & French empires, a potential repeat of the bloodbath of WW1, and hoped that it would cause the Germans to think again about crossing the Polish border. When the Germans ignored the warning, the two tired and unprepared nations were forced to make good on their threat of war. Rest assured if they hadn't then Germany would have then gone on to cement it's alliances in the Balkans, assimilated the economies and resources of its new found acquisitions, further strengthened it's military and only THEN attacked France and Britain on it's own German terms, the same as it had already TWICE done in the previous 70 years.... once in 1870 and again in 1914.
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  3460. "Britain screwed itself" by successfully fighting off nazi domination of Europe and prevented the nazis from opening branches of their "death camp franchise" in the Cotswolds, Pennines & Scottish Highlands. The Price was ruinous, but some prices are ALWAYS worth paying.
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  3461. Ah the Indian political whore, barbequed in 1946... What a fitting end for rancid tandoori meat.
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  3462. Incessant "navel gazing" more often than not clouds the issue and obscures any hope of finding an justifiable answer. I like to keep it simple. The western allies decree at the Casablanca Conference in Jan 1943 for a unconditional surrender of nazi Germany meant that they would not accept a separate nazi surrender to the west whilst continuing to allow the nazis to fight the war in the east (or incredibly unlikely the other way around). Seeing as by January 1943 the nazi regime had already slaughtered its way across the western Soviet Union, there was simply NO WAY that they could accept a surrender to the USSR who they were still busy slaughtering (or more correctly being slaughtered by) in Jan 1943. After the dream of a Pan European / North African / Middle eastern /Asia Minor nazi empire was seen to be untenable, It was their last nazi hope that a chasm would open between eastern and western allies, and that the west would join in the war against the east. Even the "lord of the SS" Heinrich Himmler the most dyed in the wool exponent of nazism pleaded with the western allies to join Germany against the USSR in 1945. For Germany to accept unconditional surrender meant letting their most hated and avowed mortal enemy freely into the very midst of their homes and families to exact their unimaginably awful revenge. All the political dogma and other claptrap is just a smokescreen. Tell a man that he and his family are to be subjugated and then slowly buggered with barbed wire wrapped truncheons for the rest of eternity, and then watch him fight to his death.
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  3463. What British forces do you imagine were avialable on the continent in 1939? By december 1939 2 months after the fall of Poland just THREE British divisions of the BEF were in position on the Belgian border, while the French completely botched their own mobilisation. Do you imagine that nations keep fully equipped standing armies ready at a moment's notice ready to leap into action? Awwww Bless.
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  3464. How can the 10 divisions of the BEF "stand firm" when the entire Belgian army capitulates on its left and the +150 divisions of the French army on its right are falling back in chaos?
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  3465. That aged like fine milk..... its bloody 28°c here at the moment.. we're having vitamin D overload !!!
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  3466. War exhaustion for sure, but don't forget between the wars France had been torn apart by political instability. Communism was a force growing within many nations in Europe, indeed it is what helped the nazis into power in Germany. Within France the political establishment swung wildly from the communist left towards ardent nationalist parties of the right and back again, ministries fought against other ministries of the French government for finance and power. Her military planning & procurement for 20 years saw NO long term objective as failed French coalition government after failed French coalition government changed its prorities and desires.
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  3467. Postwar research showed that in total 558,032 people, (368,491 of them being British troops or 66%) were evacuated from France by operations "Dynamo" & "Aerial". The numbers evacuated from the Dunkirk pocket alonewere. 203,000 British troops, 112,000 French troops 23,000 Belgian troops. The BEF suffered 66,426 casualties, that was 11,014 killed or died of wounds, 14,074 wounded and 41,338 men missing or taken prisoner The BEF lost one seventh of its personnel killed and captured, because the TEN BEF divisions on the Belgian border were left isolated by the unannounced withdrawal of the French first army on their right flank, and collapse of the Belgian forces on their left. The Perimeter of the Dunkirk pocket was manned by British, French and Belgian troops, which fought to allow British French and Belgian troops be evacuated MOSTLY by the RN and British "little ships".
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  3468. You've obviously driven yourself too far. Your work is some of the best material I've come across in nearly 50 years of interest in ww2 (though as I've aged I've become more interested in the political / economics background to the military aspect and so declare my interest as "mid 20th century history nowadays.) and NO-ONE covers it as succinctly as you do. You've got to cut your cloth...so obviously cut it down to those who pay for it. A pity but its completely understandable and only far for yourself. Best wishes in whatever you decide.
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  3469. "You're selfish !!!" ... "Yes, now feck off" "You're greedy!!!" ... "Yes, give me your money THEN feck off". Problem averted.
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  3470.  @BlueGamingRage  Have you read what "Drang nach Osten" means?
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  3471. The immediate & direct knocking out of the British Isles in 1940 may not have helped Hitler in the long run, in the same way that the nazis originally chose NOT to occupy the whole of the French mainland, but instead retained a puppet French "rump" to prevent the seccession of the rest of France's colonies in North Africa and SE Asia. That tactic paid off by the puppet Vichy French regime permitting the Japanese Imperial army to occupy Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos prior to its strike against western interests in SE Asia. Likewise If Britain had been militarily occupied, then it would likely have meant the fragmentation and probable dissolution of the "British Empire". It would benefit Germany more in the longrun to keep a weakened Britain "on the back burner" while he dealt with the USSR, and then later convince the British into the complete hopelessness of their situation within Europe, and then bring them, and their empire, into line with the nazi's ongoing "world view".
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  3472. This is what real history without shovelfuls of contemporary agenda thrown in looks like.
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  3473. They haven't finished counting.... bones and corpses are still uncovered to this day.
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  3474. "illiberal right"? What do the "illiberal lefty liberals" draw upon? Another dork using the old "left - right" spectrum when BOTH are simply tentacles now directed by the same globalist organisations.
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  3475.  @ralphbernhard1757  But regardless we f*cked the murderous Germans in Europe, so it wasn't all wasted.
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  3476. Your attempts to inflame British passions for the loss of empire falls on stony ground Ralph. As I've told you many times before, the British Empire was in a terminal decline from the late 19th century onwards.... it was merely hastened by the two world wars in which we financially bled outselves white to destroy the historical "bully boy" within Europe. What a way to go.
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  3477.  @erwinregler3993  Not our proudest moment for sure, but a bit too much expecting us British to feel "bad" about it after what the Germans had attempted to do to us 5 years earlier...... Strange how little opprobrium is hurled at the US considering that the USA was never subjected to terror bombing itself.
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  3478.  @erwinregler3993  Its war Erwin, you don't sit there letting others continually take their "best shot" at you without hitting back. If I walked up to you and punched you in the face, would you just sit there bleeding waiting for me to do it again? "Turning the other cheek" doesn't work against aggressors, Poland, Belgium, the Netherlands, Greece and many other neutral countries that were attacked without provocation prove the point. Wake up lad, wake up.
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  3479.  @yingyang1008  Lucky for the Germans too that their imperial colonies never developed nuclear weapons in the 20th century.
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  3480.  @yingyang1008  Yes indeed.... don't incinerate the civilian population of others, or it'll come back abnd bite you on the arse. Glad you've understood the whole point of our discussion at last.
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  3481.  @yingyang1008  You're wrong. Even by weaselly reducing the discussion to purely the British and Germans the first to "bomb another city" was the Germans in EVERY sense. The first bombs to fall on the land of EITHER country? The Luftwaffe attack on RAF Sullom Voe in the Shetland Islands on 13th November 1939. The RAF RESPONDED by dropping THEIR first bombs on German soil by attacking the German seaplane base on the island of Sylt on 19th March 1940, FOUR MONTHS after the first of repeated German air attacks on RAF and Royal Navy bases on the British mainland. Prior to the RAF's attack on Sylt in March 1940, they had been prohibited by the British government from dropping ANY bombs on German soil whatsoever, instead preferring to avoid civilian casualties by supplying the German demand for toilet paper by dropping propaganda leaflets over German cities. The first civilian bombing casualty of either of the two countries was a Mr James Isbister who on 16th March 1940 was killed in the village of Brig o' Waithe in the Orkney islands during a luftwaffe attack on Scapa Flow. The first RAF bombs to land on the German mainland fell on May 11th 1940, and were likewise ostensibly directed at military targets such as Bridges and railyards west of the river Rhine to disrupt the supply of the German armies then attacking France and the Low countries. Both sides in striking designated non civilian targets regularly caused what is quaintly known as "collateral civilian casualties" (Remember while we're discussing this we're ignoring the direct aerial assaults of the nazis on Polish towns and cities in the east and the bombing of Rotterdam and the aerial attacks executed against the roads of France clogged with hundreds of thousands of refugees fleeing from the invading German armies in the west). The attack on Berlin on the night of 23/24th August 1940 that you attempt to portray as the "first civilian bombing", was also targetted at valid non civilian targets, those being the Klingenburg power station in eastern Berlin and Templehof airport. That attack was a DIRECT RESPONSE to what the suburbs of London had been exposed to for the PREVIOUS MONTH during luftwaffe attacks on the RAF fighter airfields of Hornchurch, Biggin Hill, Kenley & Croydon ALL of which were situated in suburban areas of Greater London, and which had resulted in HUNDREDS of innocent British civilian deaths. The German response to the attack on Berlin took place from 7th September 1940 onwards with widespread attacks on London and 50 other British towns and cities, culminating in operation "Moonlight sonata" the then LARGEST firebombing attack on a city to that date, the target being Coventry on the night of 13th Nov 1940. In RESPONSE to that unmittigated assault on innocent civilians the RAF planned and launched its FIRST purposely civilian targetted bombing raid of the war, that being "Operation Abigail" on the night of 16th December 1940 against the German city of Mannheim. Don't try to hide the fact that the Germans enjoyed dropping HE on the cities of its neighbours from the earliest days of flight. The first aerial bombs dropped in history were from a zeppelin raid on Bruges in Belgium in August 1914... just 11 years after the invention of powered flight. Since WW2, they've learned the lesson NOT to do it again.
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  3482.  @yingyang1008  The difference between Britain and Germany was that Britain along with nearly ALL European nations tried to establish global empires from the 16th century onwards, by landgrabbing large parts of mostly virtually unpopulated areas across the world in a bid to seize resources for themselves. Britain simply being the most successful of the European bunch. Germany twice in the 20th century decided it was going to take from its neighbours by force some of the most heavily populated, industrialised and highly developed "real estate" on the planet. That is the precis of the situation. As for "We gave half of it to Stalin"... Where exactly did the "giving" take place? For your information that Soviets in "liberating" eastern Europe TOOK it from the indigenous peoples for their OWN benefit. No "giving" was involved. As I often say, its such a pity for the people of eastern Europe that you and the legions of other clueless commenters were not personally present in central Europe in the summer of 1945 positively EAGER to sacrifice YOUR lives for the good of Poland, Hungary Czechslovakia and the others, rather than sitting behind your keyboard 80 years later bemoaning that MILLIONS of OTHER people did not sacrifice THEIR lives in pushing back the 13,000,000 strong Read army to its pre 1939 borders.
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  3483.  @yingyang1008  P.S at the time that the nazis were incinerating British civilians in 1940, the USSR was happily supplying the nazis with millions of tons of oil, raw materials, and foodstuffs to enable them to conquer continantal Europe, hoping to keep the nazis occupied devastating western Europe while the commies built theselves up for the struggle that everyone knew was inevitable. We only allied with the communists to destroy the more clear and present danger to Europe (nazism), and then when that was done the cold war started. Save your lefty whinging about the British empire while completely ignoring the failed world empires of almost ALL European nations..... the French, German, Dutch, Italian, Belgian, Spanish, Portuguese all had exploitative and ruthless imperial pretentions, not forgetting the many many empires that have spread their conquerors "cultures" far and wide since the beginning of mankind, and each and EVERY one of them was run as ruthlessly as the British, so don't expect any regrets its the way of the world to this day, only now it is stateless international corporate globalists doing the empire building. Yes if the German population HAD risen to complain about the murders of others then of course it would have changed the course of events.... only died in teh wool programmed Brit haters as yourself would believe otherwise.
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  3484.  @yingyang1008  Oh give over with your "Britain started the bombing first" BS. The nazis were flattening Spanish towns 3 years before the outbreak of WW2. They flattened Wieluń in Poland on the first day of their unannounced attack on Poland (1st Sept 1939), before slamming Warsaw MULTIPLE times, followed by Rotterdam in May 1940. During ALL that time RAF Bomber command had dropped nothing but propaganda leaflets over the German mainland. The first RAF bombs on the German mainland were dropped on bridges and railway yards west of the Rhine on 11th May 1940 the day after the attack on France and NINE MONTHS after the Germans had started bombing civilians. Germany whilst then attacking Britain in the summer of 1940 killed THOUSANDS of innocent civilians as "collateral damage" during attacks on military and industrial targets. The RAF launched its first attack on targets within the boundary of Berlin (the Brandenburg power station and Templehof airport)on the night of 23/24 August 1940 after the luftwaffe had REPEATEDLY bombed RAF airfields within the boundary of Greater London, which again had resulted in hundreds of British civilian deaths. The Germans then "upped the ante" with Operation moolight sonata on 13th Nov 1940, when they purposely attempted to initiate a firestorm in the city centre of Coventry by dropping an unholy mixture of HE, incendary and oil bombs, the destruction of Coventry was an unheard of warcrime which led to Goebbels joking that a new word had entered the dictionary.... "coventrieren" which was supposed to mean when a large city had been levelled by fire and HE. Geobbels, the stupid polio addled prick, wasn't laughing when later the RAF showed the Germans how to do it properly. Only THEN in retaliation did Britain purposely target German civilians. The first purposely civilian targetted RAF bombing raid was "Operation Abigail" launched against the city of Mannheim on the 16th december 1940.... 15 months after the first German bombs purposely rained down on civilians of their intended conquests.
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  3485.  @yingyang1008  Prior to the firebombing of Coventry mass civilian deaths in a city were unknown in Britain, and most of the rest of the world. Germany was only too happy to "sow the wind" at Guernica, Weilun, Warsaw, Rotterdam, London and 50 other British cities. If the inhabitants of Dresden and the rest of the German population had recoiled in horror, stood as one and rebuked the nazis for their murderous intent towards innocent civilians in other countries then the horrors of "area bombing" would have not been visited upon them. But no the murder of others was all part of the great fun German game of European expasionism. They reaped the whirlwind for their acquiesence.
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  3486.  @patriciabrenner9216  Or Liverpool, Plymouth, Hull, Glasgow, Bristol, Southampton, Sunderland, Newcastle, Swansea, Leningrad, Stalingrad, Moscow.
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  3487.  @patriciabrenner9216  Or Rotterdam
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  3488.  @Ripper935  Nonsense about "different bodies/frames" the only difference would have been in the factory and waffenamt stampings on the steelwork of the rifle. Simply compare images of Yugoslav & nazi produced Kar 98k, utterly no difference in silhouette.
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  3489. Fuck sake boy, the NKVD infiltrating the nazi regime and running all those nazi death camps. You fucking tool.
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  3490.  @Ripper935  Please explain how you can tell it is a "Yugoslav" variant and its relevance.
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  3491. Its what happens when you start attacking your neighbours without warning. If you don't want Dresden to happen to you, don't go around doing it to others first of all. Guernica, Weilun, Warsaw, Rotterdam, London, Coventry, Liverpool, Plymouth, Southampton, Hull, Glasgow, Swansea, Leningrad, Stalingrad, Moscow..... ALL were plastered with nazi bombs BEFORE any serious bombing of Germany took place.
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  3492.  @khjgfxdhzf  Another nazi apologist.
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  3493. Another clueless fact free lefty drone.
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  3494. Why come and watch a video regarding the subject of the horrors of WW2 title "The SHOCKING Real Story of the Dresden Firestorm" and then complain that it wasn't nice? Remember there are cutesy wutesy little unicorns that need stroking. Go bury your empty head in the sand, little fairy munchkin.
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  3495. So what? Just think if that mother and the millions of German civilians who had applauded Hitler and his henchmen as they scattered HE over the cities of Europe had instead stood up and protested, they would have eventually saved their own lives. But no they were only too happy to see millions of other non Germans killed while they were in the ascendancy. They learned the lesson of being a fellow traveller to a clique of murderous psychopaths though. I sleep soundly every night inspite of my knowledge of what happened to Dresden.
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  3496.  @fredrichenning1367  Please direct me to this documentation which says that traumatised and dislocated populations worked harder. The rise in aircraft production was nothing special as the nazis had spent the first 3 years of the war with their arms industries on a semi peacetime footing they knew after the bomber raids that they'd been beaten and so started to take the situation seriously, unfortunately for the Germans, all those aircraft they produced had no fuel to power them due to allied bombing of the oil infrastructure.
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  3497.  @fredrichenning1367  "I got that idea reading what others have said". It's how a lot of us get information, but most of us then apply some form of logic to that information and see of it makes sense. Bombing a country that is busy murdering its way across the continent lengthened the war.... no it doesn't compute. Like a boxer thinking "I'll beat my opponent by repeated smashing my face into his clenched fist" No that doesn't compute either.
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  3498.  @fredrichenning1367  I've read widely about 20th century military history for over 50 years. Winning wars by NOT attacking the enemy is not a strategem I've stumbled on before.
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  3499.  @fredrichenning1367  "So, it is OK to do evil deeds as long as somebody else did them first. What kind of morale code is that?" No it isn't"OK", BUT don't be so ridiculous as to expect sympathy when YOUR side initiated the bombing of innocent civilians. Be like us Brits... stoically take it on the chin... don't cry or ask for mercy & sympathy.... and then when your time comes hand it back to the aggressor tenfold. You will notice that since WW2, Germany has now stopped bombing innocent civilians of other nations. Their lesson has undoubtedly now been learned.
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  3500. I'm going to LOVE this series. I've ALWAYS said that while the so called "political spectrum" is commonly represented as a straight line going from communism at the left hand end gradually transforming in Centre left/right (centrism) before moving along to far right nationalism at the opposite end, the result being that the left wing/right wing "extremes" are diametrically opposed, and the main division is simplistically "left" vs "Right". My perception has instead always been one where the "spectrum" is in the form of a "split ring", where the same progression of political viewpoints around the ring mean that the communist / nationalist dictatorships are actually adjoining one another across the "split" in the ring while the moderate/democratic centrists are on the other side of the "ring", meaning that the former "opposite political extremes" are now grouped next to each other (in their practical, real world effect) and are jointly diametrically opposed to the moderates on the other side of the ring, in this model the main division is NOT "left" Vs "right" but instead centrist "free" societies/economies opposed by command (totalitarian) societies/economies, or simplistically "moderates" vs "extremists". The totalitarians gain power in nations by one of their "tentacles" flaring up to put the fear of god into ordinary people of the "democracy", much like how the communist chaos generated in the Weimar republic or the current BS of "wokism" attempts to rip apart the fabric of society, the resultant landslide of public outcry is then answered by the "arrival" of the "right hand tentacle" of the totalitarians popping up to "crush the evil" of the "left hand tentacle" which results in .... "totalitarian order achieved out of totalitarian generated chaos" otherwise depicted as "ordo ab chao". which is EXACTLY the process that is ongoing in the world at the moment.
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  3501.  @rosemarycharles7164  Yes the globalist reshaping of the world has been in the pipeline for a long time, BUT My SINCERE advice to you Mary is : STOP watching the news STOP reading the newspapers Be VERY selective on what you watch on youtube. And if you can, try to encourage your family to wean themselves of the "idiot box in the living room", and it will be all for the better. If you can live your life by filling it with ALL the things that make you happy and positive, family, nature, hobbies, dog walking, maybe some local charitable work or whatever else gives you pleasure and simultaneously remove as much of this spirit crushing nonsense that is now being foisted on us, it will ALL be to your advantage, as it will make NO DIFFERENCE if you pay attention to all this current chaos or not. Live your live in the "here and now" of your own "happy bubble" (and hopefully get your family to do the same). Remember that most people in this once wonderful country of ours are STILL kind natured and beautiful. And like Nick Ross used to say at the end of crimewatch, "sleep well & don't have nightmares". God Bless Rosemary.
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  3502.  @rosemarycharles7164  Yes the globalist reshaping of the world has been in the pipeline for a long time, BUT My SINCERE advice to you Mary is : STOP watching the news STOP reading the newspapers Be VERY selective on what you watch on youtube. And if you can, try to encourage your family to wean themselves of the "idiot box in the living room", and it will be all for the better. If you can live your life by filling it with ALL the things that make you happy and positive, family, nature, hobbies, dog walking, maybe some local charitable work or whatever else gives you pleasure and simultaneously remove as much of this spirit crushing nonsense that is now being foisted on us, it will ALL be to your advantage, as it will make NO DIFFERENCE if you pay attention to all this current chaos or not. Live your life in the "here and now" of your own "happy bubble" (and hopefully get your family to do the same). Remember that most people in this once wonderful country of ours are STILL kind natured and beautiful. And like Nick Ross used to say at the end of crimewatch, "sleep well & don't have nightmares". God Bless Rosemary.
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  3503. No you're not Mary, you sound like a very decent and honourable British citizen.
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  3504. WAKE UP. ALL the mainstream political parties of the west are now puppets of the WEF, they do as their paymasters tell them to do at the G8 in Davos each year. They ALL piss in the same pot. Take the fecking sleep out of your eyes FFS !!!
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  3505.  @enerpro2955  Another idiot who thinks "CONservatives", "LIEbour" and the "lib demons" are all seperate political parties who argue over policy.... THEY'RE ALL PISSING IN THE SAME FECKING POT !!! WAKE UP FFS !!!!!
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  3506. Don't kid yourself, they KNOW what they're doing.
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  3507. A safe country that was NEVER a part of the British Empire. We give refuge when there is strife, when its over. Off you go back home.
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  3508. NOT just by the PM, but the WHOLE political establishment and ALL the mainstream political parties... the globalists have "marched through the institutions" over the last 50 years and are now collected at the top... just as they have done ALL across the west. P.S Thank you for your support, we in the UK LOVE the ordinary people of Europe.... we just HATE the EUSSR that is helping to orchestrate all this.
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  3509. A dog born in a stable isn't a horse. He has NO connection with the UK way of life and hates the hand of kindness that was offered to him.
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  3510. Before the CofE handed to top spot to the banker and corporate globalist Justin Welby.
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  3511.  @rosscotunes9251  There CERTAINLY needs to be a LOT less mislums in this country, after MILLIONS have been flooded into this non mislum country over the last 10-20 years by globalist agencies (including the UK govt) that are intent on destroying the fabric of British society.
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  3512.  3rinaxLeaf  There needs to be a LOT less of them.... FAR too many have been flooded into the country via globalist agencies intent on destroying the fabric oif British society over the last 10-20 years.
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  3513. Thanks mate. But remember it's the same for you Aussies !!!! Is the nation that fought and died at Gallipoli and defended Tobruk gonna let a shitpile of globalist corrupted politicians turn YOUR country into a globalist police state like they did during the sniffles outbreak a few years back? All the best from the UK !!!
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  3514. I too question the "fascist" label, but there's NO doubt at all that the UK govt is now completely TOTALITARIAN dressed up as faux democracy.
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  3515. I fully agree, Lydia, Time to push back then.
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  3516. You need to keep an eye on Poland, the globalist stooge Tusk and the others have the same plans for ALL of us.
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  3517. Been saying it for YEARS. but Well said !!!
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  3518. Totalitarians are ALL the same..... MURDEROUS ideologues. Forget the labels.
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  3519. Bit like Hitler and his nazi enabling act after his democratic victory in Jan 1933.
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  3520. When you realise that ALL mainstream political parties in the west are now "bought and paid for" by the corporate globalist "World Economic Forum" and the global corporations that supprt it, then the world situation becomes so much clearer. Yes you very much DO have to watch out for your own country too, the EUSSR is ALL part of their organisation.
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  3521. ALL mainstream parties nowadays in ALL western governments simply carry out the orders of the World Economic Forum. Remember in James Bond films it was SPECTRE that was the global crime syndicate...in real life its called the WEF.
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  3522. And Starmer is an alumni of that evil organisation.
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  3523. No... it isn't. Don't talk stupid.
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  3524. People are starting to see through the corporate globalist BS. Some of us have seen it for years... even the sheep are starting to wake up now.
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  3525. Will YOU ever learn???ALL the mainstream political parties ARE ALL NOW PISSING IN THE SAME POT, AND THEN TIPPING IT OVER THE REST OF US.
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  3526. It's NOTHING to do with religion... HE HATES BRITAIN.
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  3527. Easier to say "totalitarianism" and forget all the name labels... they're utterly meaningless.
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  3528. Cat's out the bag idiot... go stand vigill over Jimmy Savile's grave.
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  3529. Another slimy lefty fecker. Its the WHOLE of the political establishment in the west that is responsible. We're ALREADY under a glboalist dictatorship, dressed up as a faux democracy. And people have had enough of it. If you haven't then book the first flight to your "worker's paradise" in North Korea.... they LOVE slimy dupes like yourself there, WE DON'T anymore.
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  3530.  @TheImperatorKnight  Ever get the feeling you're pissing in the wind sometimes TIK?
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  3531. It's been gone a LOT longer than that.
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  3532. Good Grief TIK, I'd never have guessed you live in my town. My own daughter lives adjacent to Hart St at the end where the OUTRAGE took place, and like many people in the town have connection to some of the people impacted by THAT original terrible outrage and the subsequent trouble that's hit the town. Absolutely BANG ON with ALL you've said... The town has pulled together fantastically well.... BUT the globalist corrupted filth that has run this country DOWN since at least Tony Bliar has gone too far, and the voices of ordinary people crying out for the importation of economic migrants by the boatload into this country to STOP are starting to raise their voices. MY own concern is that the turd Starmer and the rest of the puppets are RUBBING THEIR HANDS IN GLEE at the opportunity to get the army on the streets and sweep in the globalist police state they've just been ITCHING to install. Commendable backbone to put your channel on the line, and to speak up against the globalist conspiracy being enacted against our country, as well as the rest of the western civilisation. You've sailed even higher in my humble opinion. Well done.
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  3533. Remember the real nazis never exterminated groups of people until they'd been in power for years.
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  3534. Forget the meaningless labels the only one that means anything today is corporate globalist totalitarianism.
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  3535. I've been saying for the last 10 years that we're now living in the 21st century version of the Weimar Republic. But with the "ejukayshun sistim" the way it is (now run by globalist corporate "academies") and not bothering to teach real history, ordinary people in the street have utterly NO concept of the relevance of that Weimar Republic comment.
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  3536. Go stand vigil over Savile's grave, you like that.
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  3537. They took all the weapons away 30 years ago.... they're not fecking stupid.
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  3538. They WEREN'T naive, you have to change your mindset that western governments no longer act in the best interests of their nations, but instead carry out the directives they're given by their major corporate financiers at the WEF when they attend the G8 summit. All this is DESIGNED to rip aprt the fabric of society to be replaced in the future with a one world global govt. Sounds crazy? Do you remember a time where if you said the sort of shit thats going on now would have been seen as to be "wearing a tin foil hat" and yet its come to pass... well so will the future one world government too.
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  3539. All this engineered chaos... the population crying out for a semblance of order & normality.... "Who can save us from this turmoil?" Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No it's the globalist totalitarian Police state !!!! Weimar Republic and the nazis anyone?
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  3540.  @bw1376  And useless shills like "peterwhitlock" will keep trying to dupe the others.
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  3541. Without being represented by a centralised non representative cabal. AKA the EUSSR.
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  3542. The cats out the bag, lefty.....go protect Savile's grave.
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  3543. "Ordo ab Chao".....Order From chaos.... those in power create the chaos, and then provide the police state that those crying out for "law and order" will only realise too late they have been conned into. A trick as old as the hills.
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  3544. All part of the globalist plot to inflame and expand the situation as a pretext for the globalist funded UK govt to impose a police state. The west falls to totalitarianism, and all it took was that good people did nothing.
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  3545. No, its the flood of MILLIONS of economic migrants into the UK (and indeed the entire "west") over the last 20 years. Migrants who have NO reason to be in this country apart from being shipped in by the globalist funded parties in the west in order to drain our already dwindling finances and destroy the fabric of the nation. You're either a dupe or a shill? Which is it?
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  3546. Go stand vigil at Savile's grave you stupid nonce. That's the only "butt hurt" your type are interested in.
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  3547. Go back to sleep, silly dupe.
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  3548. Wake up dupe... ALL mainstream political parties are pissing in the same pot. ALL financed by corporate globalism. Its been like that for 20-30 years AT LEAST. And fools like you still think they're actually "different paries" when ALL their core policies are THE SAME, with some unimportant "window dressing" differences to give the impressioon that we have a choice. We DON'T have a choice they're ALL offering the same "we can't stop economic migration" while the country is flooded.
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  3549. Don't let the door hit you on your fat arse on the way out.
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  3550. Its ALL being encouraged by EXACLTY the same corporate globalist funded political whores that are doing it to the US as well.
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  3551.  @Mestari1Gaming  Oh no!!! not ANOTHER dupe still cluelessly whining on about "conservatives this".... "labour that" & "Lib Dems the other".... FFS WAKE UP !!! They're ALL complete BS nowadays, each and every one of the west's mainstream political parties are ALL fully bought and owned by corporate globalism via the WEF..... they're ALL pissing in the same pot and tipping it over the rest of us. Guess what dupe? If all the mainstream parties are saying the same thing, then your actual choice on the ballot paper is between A. A. & A. and you're living in a dictatorship but are simply too slow witted to see it.
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  3552. Because they're ALL now fully bought and owned by the corporate globalists via the WEF. Look up World Economic Forum and Klaus Schwab.
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  3553.  @grahamhighmore7702  They're NOT refugees... they're ECONOMIC MIGRANTS cming to r@pe the UK economy. Wake up you silly dupe.
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  3554. I can't help but feel that what has been going on in the UK for the last 20 years is a parallel to the Weimar republic in 1920s Germany. destablisation and the ripping apart of the fabric of society prior to the installation of a totalitarian regime. A real life, in your face "order from chaos"... (Ordo Ab Chao). My worry is that the turd in human form that is Starmer is the modern equivalent of Franz von Papen with his role in the Weimar republic of insinuating Hitler into the Reichstag prior to Hitler's electoral victory in Jan 1933 before passing the "enabling act" that destroyed the last vestiges of democracy in interwar Germany. The globalist bought and paid for political parties now purporting to represent the UK population in the houses of parliament are now just itching to push the UK over the edge and instigate a full on totalitarian govt here. I just thank god that my parents who fought through WW2 and provided us with 80 years of relative peace here in the uk are not still alive to see the shithole these fuckers are turning this country into.
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  3555. Ignore ALL the major media channels... they're owned & funded by the same globalists who have now bought EVERY mainstream political party in the "west".
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  3556. Don't for one minute think its constant riots on the streets in the UK... I too live in Southport where the 3 little girls were murdered in that terrorist outrage, and the streets have been quiet for days, the globalist media are HYPING stuff up to unreal levels.... trouble is brewing but its not WW3 yet.
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  3557. Ordinary, decent people of the UK do not have any problem with Sikhs and Hindus who were part of our empire and who flocked to the Indian armed forces during WW2 to defend it from totalitarianism, and who wish to assimilate and contribute to the British way of life, you are our friends, and most of us know that... it's the many MANY others who are now ushered into our country by the boatload with no other intention as to bankrupt and destroy us. Thank you for your best wishes.
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  3558. When will you people realise that the subtitles are NOTHING to do with the content creators, but made by YT's shite AI algorithms.
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  3559.  @paladinbob1236  We STILL have BS EU laws and red tape ALL over our country. We got BRINO.
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  3560. Brexit never HAPPENED.
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  3561. Klaus Schwab/George Soros/Bill Gates the WEF have been running the show for the last 50 years... the bitter harvest of their efforts is now coming to fruition.
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  3562. Where did you move too? ANY western nation is now beholden to the WEF/UN/WB/WHO and their puppet politicians.
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  3563. Stop immigration !!!! ALL THE POLITICAL PARTIES ARE TRAITORS !!!!
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  3564. Wake up dupe... ALL mainstream political parties are pissing in the same pot. ALL financed by corporate globalism. Its been like that for 20-30 years AT LEAST. And fools like you still think they're actually "different paries" when ALL their core policies are THE SAME, with some unimportant "window dressing" differences to give the impressioon that we have a choice. We DON'T have a choice they're ALL offering the same "we can't stop economic migration" while the country is flooded. Wake up !!!!
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  3565. They stopped supporting the working class in the late 1980s.
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  3566. You're BANG on. Its called "ordo ab chao" or "order from chaos"..... just as with the Weimar republic and the nazis. I've been fearing this for the last 15-20 years.
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  3567. As well as the soviets supplying the third reich with millions of tons of food & raw materials & oil right up until June 1941, to enable the Wehrmacht to take on the west. Unfortunately for Uncle Joe, his gamble that Germany would be bled to death by a war in the west backfired.
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  3568. "could British Empire and USA even scratch Nazi Germany" Head over to any video chronicling the western allies strategic bombing campaign to reference just how nazi Germany was being "scratched".
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  3569.  @heartsofiron4ever  The bombing of civilians was something that had been instigated by the nazis since before WW2 had begun, why do you imagine that the allies would be so squeamish about "returning the favour"? Murderous for certain, but so were the concurrent nazi policies across occupied Europe. Do you suppose we should have toppled them by dropping bunches of tulips across Germany?
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  3570.  @heartsofiron4ever  Who says the bombing of industry was "largely ineffective"? Albert Speer (who knew more about the situation than contemporary lefty commentators) told Hitler after "Operation Millenium" (the bombing of Cologne in May 1942) that If the allies were able to launch 6 more raids of that scale in quick succession then the Germans would be forced out of the war. "Ineffective" eh? What allied bombing accomplished was substantial in contributing to Germany’s defeat. The Anglo-American bombing offensive brought the war to the German people long before their armies were forced back onto German soil. In a war in which the effort of civilian workers on the production lines was as essential to victory as the fighting of the soldiers on the front lines, the very existence of the strategic bombing offensive encouraged US and British civilians and inflicted pain and suffering on the enemy. The British may have devoted 40 to 50 percent of their total war production to the air forces; the United States expended up to 35 percent; and the Germans up to 40 percent. German war production increased throughout the war, reaching its peak in the third quarter of 1944. Strategic air bombardment beyond ANY doubt kept that production increase from reaching stratospheric levels. It forced the dispersion of factories and the building of underground facilities, made German production more vulnerable to transportation disruption, lowered production by forcing on German industry smaller, more labor-intensive, production facilities that denied the Germans the manufacturing economies of scale available to the allies, it disorganized workers’ lives, and lowered their productivity. In ways great and small and utterly incalculable strategic bombing made German war production less efficient and effective than it would have been if the bombers had not flown night after night and day after day. Strategic bombing also forced the Germans into an enormous defense and reconstruction effort, diverting German aircraft manufacture almost exclusively into fighter and interceptor production. The bombing of oil not only limited mobility, but as a side effect greatly reduced nitrogen production, hampering the manufacture of explosives and fertilizers. By 1944, Germany had two million soldiers, civilians, and prisoners of war engaged in Reich antiaircraft defense, more than the total number of workers in its aircraft industry. And on any given day or night, most of this huge force, spread across the length & breadth of Germany to defend all targets, stood idle, while the Allied bombers struck only a relatively few areas. An additional million workers were engaged in repair and rebuilding; the maintenance of the nazi oil industry alone (used for the rebuilding of oil production facilities NOT the actual oil production effort itself) absorbed 250,000 workers. Albert Speer estimated that 30 percent of total gun output and 20 percent of heavy ammunition output was directed towards air defense, a significant loss to the front line ground forces of high velocity weapons suitable for antitank defense. It took an average of 16,000 88 mm flak shells to bring down a single Allied heavy bomber. Speer further estimated that 50 percent of electro-technical production and one-third of the optical industry was devoted to radar and signals equipment for the antiaircraft effort, further starving the front lines of essential communications equipment.
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  3571. As many have been saying for decades the slide in educational standards since the 1960s was all done for a reason. NO ruling caste wants a well educated population with the facility of independent thought.
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  3572. And all made possible by the British empire.
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  3573. Why would they lie?
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  3574.  @Cloud_Seeker  Absolutely. Without the continued opposition of the British empire to nazism from June 1940 onwards, there would have been: NO D-Day and war in the Meditteranean to draw sizeable wehrmacht resources from the war on the Eastern Front. NO strategic bombing of German cities and war industries. NO interdiction of German global sea trade by the Royal Navy. NO massive supply of weapons and war materiel from the west to the USSR, once their former allies nazi Germany had turned on them. NO BRITISH atomic research (Tube Alloys) being passed to the US to kickstart the "Manhattan project", (with the potential for said research to fall into the hands of the nazis) NO utterly crucial strategic intelligence courtesy of Britain's "ULTRA" program. With the result that the USSR would have collapsed somewhere in 1942/43, leaving the nazis in control of the whole of Europe, and potentially the US isolated, and who knows what would happen from there?
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  3575. BS.
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  3576. Without the continued opposition of the British empire to nazism from June 1940 onwards, there would have been: NO D-Day and war in the Meditteranean to draw sizeable wehrmacht resources from the war on the Eastern Front. NO strategic bombing of German cities and war industries NO interdiction of German global sea trade by the Royal Navy NO massive supply of weapons and war materiel from the west to the USSR, once their former allies nazi Germany had turned on them. NO utterly crucial strategic intelligence courtesy of Britain's (not Poland's before you say it) "ULTRA" program. With the result that the USSR would have collapsed somewhere in 1942/43, leaving the nazis in control of the whole of Europe, and their extermination camps still operating on Polish soil into the 1950s, 60s, or even 70s.
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  3577. Its not the "soviets" that "tik" is rebutting , but the contemporary LEGIONS of entralled lefty uninformed childish parrots who constantly decry the West's part in the destruction of nazi Germany.
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  3578. Without the continued opposition of the British empire to nazism from June 1940 onwards, there would have been: NO D-Day and war in the Meditteranean to draw sizeable wehrmacht resources from the war on the Eastern Front. NO strategic bombing of German cities and war industries. NO interdiction of German global sea trade by the Royal Navy. NO massive supply of weapons and war materiel from the west to the USSR, once their former allies nazi Germany had turned on them. NO utterly crucial strategic intelligence courtesy of Britain's (not Poland's before you say it) "ULTRA" program. With the result that the USSR would have collapsed somewhere in 1942/43, leaving the nazis in control of the whole of Europe.
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  3579. The road to hell is paved with "good intentions".
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  3580. Another esotericist.Yawn.
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  3581. Where's YOUR channel so we can experience a masterclass of your own discourse? I'm eager to learn more from a master such as yourself.....
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  3582. Yup.... mind control for those who are "hard of thinking".
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  3583. Socialists try to convince others that they need help to free them from their "capitalist chains". If you're self aware, and live within your means, and feel you don't need their "help" then in their eyes you're simply unaware that you need their help, and you need to be "re-educated" to be convinced of how vulnerable and impoverished you are. Which in many cases is completely NOT the case. Its why lefty education nowadays is hellbent on destroying the old truisms that society is built on, and is intent on rendering younger people into a condition akin to being emotionally crippled, where human relationships become SO troublesome and frought with difficulties with their indoctrination of gender fluid nonsense etc, and antagonism between the two sexes that more and more young people, flooded with free porn to satisfy their urges "take the easy way out" and don't bother with personal relationships.... hence the tidalwave of "incels".
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  3584. 6:58 "White émigres" (pronounced "emmy grays") were those Russians who had remained loyal to the Tsar and fought on until 1921 in the Russian civil war. After the "red" victory in the civil war, they sensibly chose to emigrate (or self exile) to "the west" and remained eager to see the end of socialism in the Russian empire, hence their readiness to support the German invasion.
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  3585. Very well said TRJ.
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  3586. ​ @agandaprop  Let me correct the errors & misinformation in your reply. They weren't on a "residence Permit" they had been granted FULL UK citizenship and residency rights, as detailed in the UK's "1947 Polish Resettlement Act". Please feel free to go and read about it. Or watch this Polish RAF pilot interviewed in 2006 before all the left wing bullshit about Britain started after we told the EU to "fuck off" in 2016. https://youtu.be/kyjrGSuS8Po?t=500 So a peaceful post WW2 Europe was solely the UK's "profit" was it? Please direct me towards evidence of the clamour by the rest of Europe to launch WW3 against the soviets in summer 1945? Its just such a pity that YOU and the legions on other clueless YT "virtue signallers" weren't there personally on the front lines in central Europe in summer 1945 EAGER to sacrifice YOUR lives to push the Red Army steamroller back to its pre 1939 borders, instead of your utterly pathetic "virtue signalling" from the safety of your keyboard 80 years after the event whining that millions of OTHER people didn't sacrifice THEIR lives. The UK had already sacrificed ENOUGH of its blood, treasure and empire to see the overthrow of nazi tyranny in Europe. Rest assured little one if it hadn't been for the UK ALONE after the fall of France then Poland and the other eastern European countries would still to this day have nazi death camps operating on their soil and swastikas flying over their cities. The "generals and professors" you allude to were not exploited prisoners in the UK after WW2 as you pathetically try to make out, but were free to leave the UK whenever they wished. It is clear the they were only too happy to spend the rest of their lives in the UK no matter WHAT job they carried out, clearly more happy than YOU believe they should have been, as they knew it was preferable to ending up in a shallow grave in a remote Polish forest with a soviet NKVD bullet in the backs of their heads. The fact that never happened was down to the UK's gracious gift of UK citizenship.... We being the FIRST country after WW2 to freely give a new nationality to the hundreds of thousands of Poles who had been made stateless by the theft of Poland by the communists. Now please go and burn the communist schoolbooks and copies of "socialist worker" that you've been misinformed by.
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  3587. Please detail exactly what PROFIT the "west" got from this imaginary "sale" of Poland to the Soviets, apart that is from having to find housing for the hundreds of thousands of Polish citizens who were postwar given full citizenship of nations such as the UK, France and the US?
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  3588. No it isn't "unknown".
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  3589. As spike Milligan once joked.... "Mein Fuhrer... Ze Italians haf entered ze war!!!" Hitler "Mein Gott!!! send 10 divisions!!!" "Nein Mein Fuhrer... Zay haf entered on OUR side!!!" Hitler "Gott in Himmel !!! Send TWENTY divisions !!!"
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  3590. Please detail Montgomery's "many strategic mistakes"?
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  3591. Could you point out to me where it says that they "put him down just because he was Rommel's horse"?
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  3592. Yawn.
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  3593. Aww... there there. Let me save you further heartache and warn you not to read about the toll of MILLIONS of horses lives taken by the German army in pressing them into military service when the other major powers had moved onto motor transport.
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  3594. Anthrpomorphic nonsense.
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  3595. Don't read about the MILLIONS of horses that died in the service of the Wehrmacht during WW2. You'll be REALLY upset.
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  3596. "whoever is winning is my friend" Prince Bernard's motto on his family crest (apparently).
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  3597. You're a Brit whether you like it or not boy.
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  3598. True royalist self preservation. They're currently "bollocks deep" with the WEF globalists.
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  3599. Don't tell the "unicorn strokers" they'll have an attack of the vapours !!!!
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  3600. Stop reading about warfare then.
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  3601. Let's talk about the nazi expropriation of European art and other treasures shall we? At least the horses were on the books of the German Wehrmacht.
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  3602. The i..n..t..e..r..n..e..t.
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  3603.  @fpscanada3862  NO being frozen to death in Russia by the thousand and exposed to enemy action sounds a great time. Never heard of many lorries freezing to death, difficult to start in low temperatures certainly. I'd choose a "humane killer" captive bolt through the head anytime.
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  3604. Read about the MILLIONS of horses that died in service of the Wehrmacht during WW2.
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  3605.  @CAP198462  So instead of following the plan, Gavin decided to throw it COMPLETELY to the wind and act on a single unsubstatiated report from a civilian resistance member? There were no German forces on the Groesbeek Heights, and Market Garden failed because of his US stupidity.
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  3606.  @CAP198462  You mean Caen where the British "shield" held off the mass of German reinforcements from the east while the US sword smashed through the more lightly defended German lines around St Lo, only after the 8th USAAF had killed the highest ranked US combat casualty of WW2 during the carpet bombing of the German (and US) Lines? As for Market Garden, an operation that absolutely hinged on the capture of various bridges, where the commander of the US 82nd Airborne division (Brigadier General James M. Gavin) decided to ignore his assigned objective (The Nijmegen & Grave bridges) and instead dug in south east of the town to defend against imaginary Germans in the Groesbeek heights, thereby allowing the German defenders to seize the Nijmegen bridge behind his back, hold up the advance of the British 30th corps for three days and cause the entire plan to fail? Oh THAT "Market Garden"....
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  3607. He instead preferred "My little pony".
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  3608. I was thinking the same....ebay? 😁
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  3609. You must find day to day life REALLY hard.
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  3610. The way he pushed Rommel from El Alamein to Tunis seems to have bypassed your limited intelligence.
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  3611. Yawn.
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  3612. Luckily he'd just swapped out of his SS uniform in time.
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  3613.  @ArthurTwoshedsJackson  Oh, You mean Caen where the British & Canadian "shield" held off the mass of German reinforcements from the east while the US "sword" smashed through the more lightly defended German lines beyond St Lo, only after the 8th USAAF had killed the highest ranked US combat casualty of WW2 during their carpet bombing of the German (and US) Lines?😂😂😂😂
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  3614. Nazis weren't laughing at El Alamein as they drove off in the Italian's transport.
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  3615. Try the "internet".... the things you can discover there are FASCINATING !!!!
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  3616. HA... Bruce giving lectures on "humanity".... priceless !!!
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  3617. "So Over Rated".... the man who directed the pushing of the Axis from North Africa.
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  3618. Swam
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  3619. Oh no Monty!!! Not the livestock !!!
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  3620. Anthropomorphism - Attribution of human motivation, characteristics, or behavior to inanimate objects, animals, or natural phenomena.
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  3621. At least it wasn't gassed along with millions of innocent European citizens.
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  3622. Don't read about the German army during WW2, they got through more horses than they did innocent civilians.
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  3623. Where does it say the horse was killed because he'd "been owned by a German"? The animal was dangerous and untrainable.
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  3624. What by all sides? Wehrmacht during WW2 STILL was happy to see millions of our fine four legged friends killed (and in the case on the Eastern front) regularly eaten by the troops as well.
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  3625. You obviously never rode it, or had it trample on your face.
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  3626. So... tell me about how you Americans handled the indigenous "first nation" inhabitants of North America?
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  3627. Well he was happy enough to be commander of Hitler's "Führer Begleitbattalion" (Hitler's personal bodyguard) before WW2. It was only after the loss of North Africa that he became disillusioned with his former favourite megalomaniac.
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  3628. Should have let YOU ride it instead.
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  3629. Which was which?
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  3630. Yawn
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  3631. Rather like the theft of countless millions of pounds worth of European art treasures by the nazis, the difference being the horses belonged to the German Wehrmacht and not innocent civilians.
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  3632. Maybe you could provide us with some names to do our own research with, such is your apparent passion for that aspect of the history?
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  3633. He may well have been an advisor on the film, but the film itself was based on the commander of the real U-96 Heinrich Lehmann-Willenbrock.
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  3634. It would simply have been copied from the British "Steptoe & Son" by another US screenwriter.
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  3635. Never heard of him before, but a fascinating story intrigue and treachery indeed. Always good to see an utter guttersnipe get his comeuppance.
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  3636. To be more accurate, "Generation led astray".
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  3637. Unrepentent nazi. Principles maybe... but gentleman?
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  3638. My mother as an 18 year old worked in a factory named Roe Brothers engineering works in Liverpool during the war assembling the RP3 air to ground rockets carried by the Typhoons and Tempests from D-Day onwards. Ah the days when we all worked together with single minded purpose.
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  3639. Hard as nails with respect to repressed, tortured & defenceless civilians.... Cowards of the first order with anyone who can fight back.
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  3640. It's the same reason why the chief US psychiatrist (Dr Douglas M. Kelley) who interviewed & studied the top German nazi mass murderers during WW2 committed suicide in the 1950s.... he was devastated by the "ordinariness" and "banality" of the people who directed the mass murder of millions, and realised that in the right situation a large number of "ordinary" everyday people would be likely to do the same.
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  3641. You mean "along with the edited highlights of the overthrow of the Austrian govt, provided by the nazi PK" (Propaganda Korps).
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  3642. Speak for yourself.
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  3643. They were murderers, left or right, who cares?
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  3644. Another victim of his own overbearing power and influence was RAF Air Chief Marshall Trafford Leigh-Mallory, who on 14th November1944 overruled the highly experienced pilot of his Avro York transport aircraft who advised against flying through inclement weather over the Alps. Mallory's hubris caused the death of himself, his wife, and the 8 man crew of the Avro York aircraft after it "flew into terrain" near the village of Chèvrerie De L'eterlou in the French Alps.
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  3645. You mean "the facts" as related by YOU? A nonentity commenter in a YT channel? Hahahahaha.... classic.
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  3646. Theres a HUGE difference between under paid "zero hour contract" workers, and starved, tortured & UNPAID slave labourers who had a life expectancy measured in weeks rather than years or even months.
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  3647.  @merlin51h84  "There are no clean hands in war, that's the only truth." you should have typed "There are no facts in my post, only BS".
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  3648. Whose righteousness are you following?
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  3649. What use would he have with a useless fucker such as yourself?
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  3650. So you're noting Mark's dislike for men who without ANY qualms benefitted from the slaving til death of other humans? Your dislike of right minded people has been noted.
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  3651.  @BlackMasterRoshi  test
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  3652. You mean such as being the ONLY human empire in HISTORY to ABOLISH slavery?
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  3653. "virtually all people in Germany became party members"..... UTTER BS, unless you can provide us with some evidence of your assertion. I'll not hold my breath waiting.
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  3654.  @hb9145  Watch some more and find out. Mark's partisan views when used to describe the actions of ALL the individual combattants of WW2 shows an even handedness in Mark's assessment of war in general, and human inhumanity.
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  3655. The vast majority of Jews are "white"... how does that pan out with your observations?
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  3656. Clueless lefty alert !!! Name me the ONLY empire in human history that ABOLISHED slavery, and then turned its most potent weapon, (that being it's HUGE navy) to the purpose of removing tha stain of slavery from world economics? I'll give you a clue... it starts with "GREAT BRITAI.....".
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  3657. But without the industrial scale mass murder of the death camps.
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  3658. Probably because EVERYONE else apart from the US is sick and tired to the back teeth of CONSTANT US media braying the usual BS about how the "US won WW2" while the rest played some small supporting role.
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  3659. Yawn.........
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  3660. 5:04 Mark carelessly forgot to mention that the He59s that were shot down by the RAF during the battle of Britain, had been tracking British shipping transitting the English Channel and radioing reports back to Germany, in complete transgression of Geneva convention rules regarding the use of "red cross" markings during wartime.
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  3661. For me currently, the GREATEST sadness is that VERY few of the puppet politicians that are now directing us to war have ever served a turn at the "sharp end". Growing up in the 1970s MANY of our British MPs had first hand experience of service in WW2, and consequently bent over backwards to avoid a repeat of such horror for our nations. Now all governments are cram packed full of eager corporate yes men who've never experienced anything more dangerous that crossing the road, and who eagerly do their globalist WEF pay masters bidding of causing wars right across the globe. As I've always said, my kids will ONLY be serving in the same front line units as the children and grandchildren of Bill Gates, Klaus Schwab, Rishi Sunak, Justin "nazi lover" Trudeau and their filthy ilk.
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  3662. The thing that did SLIGHTLY seperate Churchill from almost all other politicians is that he DID serve for many years on the front line. Then after his involvement with the Dardanelles catastrophe (as first sea lord of the Admiralty) in WW1 he resigned from the British govt and had himself sent to France for 6 months front line service as a self imposed pennance.
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  3663.  @terencephillips6833  Don't get me wrong Terrence, I'm not some half witted lefty dupe. I've got anormous respect for Churchill and the achievements of my country, the UK. BUT I'm old enough and wise enough to know that our idols more often than not have feet of clay.
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  3664. A carefully nurtured perception of Churchill during the war, he was OFTEN heckled and jeered by mass crowds in Britain during the war, though strangely most of that footage has "gone missing".
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  3665. Disgraceful. Just as bad as your previous video regarding the misuse of the British army by George VI in saving his private family belongings at the end of WW2 (I await the nonsense spoken by idiotic royal flunkies). My own father being a "HO" (hostilities Only) conscript into the Royal Navy for 6 years from the start to the end of WW2, witnessed the sinking of Bismarck, narrowly survived the sinking of his own ship HMS Dorsetshire in the Indian ocean in April 1942, was then miraculously rescued after having clung to wreckage for 36 hours hundreds of miles from land, before finally having his hearing permanently damaged by the "Fritz X" strike on HMS Warspite at Salerno in Sept 1943, (and even then he wasn't "invalided out" but served a further two years largely aboard a submarine tender HMS Adamant in fremantle Western Australia), received the 1939-45 star, Atlantic Star, Italy star, Burma star, War medal and defence medal, as well as a pittance of an enhancement to his state pension for a "war injury" but only after he had paid his national insurance every month for 40 years. Politicians, they jingoistically cling to the military for their own purposes, then shit all over the survivors who saved their political skins, they ALWAYS have done, and ALWAYS will do.... (though surprisingly after the Dardanelles in WW1 Churchill did honourably serve pennance for his involvement in that fiasco). I'd rather eat dog excrement that have to shake hands with most politicians, and ESPECIALLY the corporate globalist puppets that have now taken over the Houses of Parliament.
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  3666. Yet he still wraps himself in military garb and parades in front of tanks to create his "image". The Fabian society communist is a disgrace and traitor to his country... as EVERYONE will see when the corporate globalist stooge takes his place as the leader of HM Govt in a month or two.
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  3667.  @StalinTheMan0fSteel  ANOTHER dupe. Do some more reading, and NOT from the socialist worker. The man was a murderous despot who enjoyed the best of everything, or do you think he had calloused hands from building tank factories in the middle of the open steppe in winder in Mongolia? or useless canals in northern Russia in the 1930s?
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  3668. As it was though he instead looked like the boilerman who worked in the cellar.... whilst simultaneously enjoying a VERY lavish lifestyle. Gotta keep those "masses" fooled haven't we?
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  3669. It was also strongly rumoured a number of years ago that a former chief fire officer of Merseyside Fire Brigade was a "Walt".... with NI & South Atlantic medals on his chest that according to many ex servicemen in the FB he had not qualified for.
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  3670. Scrub the "tory" replace with "all".
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  3671. What would you expect? For him to be allowed into the general population? Who was to say he wasn't a spy?
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  3672. The 109s TOTAL unsuitablility as a naval fighter was one of the reasons that the nazis never bothered with the Graf Zeppelin.
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  3673. Airfields were defended by AA.
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  3674. 1:20 to avoid the BS
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  3675. Why is the reality of warfare hidden from the public. The scenes of the French resistance attacking the withdrawing German troops has LONG been in the public domain and regularly used to be aired on TV. Do the globalist media now want the younger generations to believe warfare is a bit of a rough tickling match?
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  3676. If you get a chance the 1980 BBC drama serial "Private Shultz" (Which is loosely based on the story of Operation Bernhard or the flooding of the British economy with forged £5 notes) includes an episode where the central character is dropped via parachute into Southern Britain in 1940, with some excellent reproduction of parachute training, likely carried out at the Parachute Regt Barracks in Leeds or Aldershot. It's WELL worth a watch.
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  3677. What is the truth about HMY Britannia? I've always heard that it was paid for by the British taxpayer at a time when Britain was absolutely on the bones of its arse post WW2 on the proviso that in time of war it would serve as a hospital ship supporting the UK armed forces. My understanding is that when the UK government requested during the 1982 Falklands conflict that Britannia be handed over and converted to sail south in her capacity as hospital ship, that the Royals exercised their "prerogative" and refused the request as at the time it was being used by minor royals in the Caribbean. Is there any truth in that?
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  3678. Why? We paid for it.
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  3679. Don't question the globalist elite... just do as they say and don't ask questions, serf......
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  3680. My father was off watch for his stoker's station in the boiler rooms of HMS Warspite when she was hit and near missed by two Fritz Xs off the beaches of Salerno in Sept 1943. The first hit adjacent to the "grand old Lady's" funnel and went on to blow a hole in her boiler room keel. Inspite of the damage casualties were surprisingly light, and the episode ended with HMS Warspite, as uncooperative as ever snapping her tow lines and gliding sideways out of control through the straits of Messina on her way to Valetta harbour at Malta P.S Sincerest respects to your uncle's service and ultimate sacrifice.
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  3681. They also sported the first operational jet aircraft that on many occasions was towed to the end of the runway for take off by a team of horses to prevent their sparse fuel supplies from being burned up by inefficient taxiing.
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  3682. But didn't know how to run a war economy. Same as me carrying the latest firearm into a fight, but not knowing how to load or fire it.
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  3683.  @frontenac5083  The nazis never dared to dip a toe in the channel to cross to Britain. Never a chance.
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  3684. Wh would speak German? Not the British for sure.
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  3685.  @harmdallmeyer6449  I'm not diminishing the cultural & scientific heritage of Germany (or its earlier individual states and kingdoms), I'm guessing (possibly incorrectly) that Muhammad's apparent adoration of Germany MIGHT have something to do with one of Germany's leaders during the twentieth century, and that leader's attitude towards a certain world religious grouping.
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  3686. Remind me again where the cradle of the world changing industrial revolution was please?
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  3687. Do you have details of the "previous American incident"?
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  3688. Why does ANYTHING matter apart from eating, drinking and sleeping?
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  3689. The two of you have NEVER been seen in the same room together.
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  3690. They could do with him on office now. He'd give the totalitarian pricks running the the state parliaments a good kicking.
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  3691.  @iancurtis1152  Thank God he never took over from Chamberlain..... we'd have all perished in the camps by now.
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  3692. None as government policy. Asopposed to Hitler / Stalin / Zedong and others.
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  3693. Avoid the advertising BS. Program starts at 1:17
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  3694. Without the UK and US, Stalin would have been eating his borscht with a wooden spoon sitting in a cave in Mongolia by 1943.
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  3695.  @Mentol_  It always is a positive to those in charge..... but NOT to those living UNDER it. A cowed populace too uneducated or frightened to question political diktats.... just how despots like their plebs.
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  3696. Тоталитаризм, будь он фашистским или коммунистическим, - однозначное зло. Запомните это!!!
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  3697. Без Великобритании СССР был бы разбит нацистами где-то между 1942 и 44 годами.
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  3698. Which could all have been smoothed over if the king made a public donation from his families own private millions into the UK's collective "tax Pot".... but he didn't.
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  3699. No he didn't.
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  3700.  @hansoak3664  One of the richest men in the UK uses the funds gathered from the poorest in the UK to sort out his own cousin's problems (A cousin who also happened to be an enemy of the UK taxpayer who was now paying to help him out) !!! It would have been acceptable for the King to pump a million into the UK's tax coffers to cover the cost of the British army helping his relatives out... even though they were nazis.
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  3701. Read about "Magna Carta", the "English civil war" and "constitutional monarchy". Instead of talking bollocks about things you've not got the first idea about.
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  3702.  @davidhitchcock6599  You imagine that is painted on the wall of HMRC's HQ today do you David? At least you've finally clearly stated you approve of corruption by the most powerful in the land. You silly shill.
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  3703.  @davidhitchcock6599  I called you a "cad" because you freely admit the "thing you would have done differently from me" was that you would steal other people's money to help yourself... Your defence of such a point means that you were, and remain, a "cad" as well as possibly being a bounder too !!!
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  3704.  @davidhitchcock6599  Try using the "desperate times call for desperate measures" defence next time you get caught breaking the laws of the land and see how far it gets YOU David. How's the weather in your fairytale world?
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  3705. What? You'd have robbed other people's money that wasn't yours to use to save your own relatives property? What a cad you are sir !!!
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  3706. Luckily though we chose to confront them, and thereby prevented the nazis from establishing death camps in the Cotswolds and Scottish Highlands.
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  3707. 1st Battalion, 22nd Cheshire Regt. My grandfather's battalion... but that was in the first world war, when he was taken prisoner by the Germans during the retreat from Mons at the French town of Audreignies in August 1914 after the battalion had suffered over 75% casualties. Little did he know then that 31 years later his battalion would be helping German nazis save their personal possesions. Personally I wouldn't piss on the royals if they were on fire.
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  3708. Mark have you looked into the strange WW2 death of king George VI's younger brother, Prince George, Duke of Kent in the Dunbeath air crash? Why was the King's brother flying to Iceland (or was it a secret peace conference in Sweden?) carrying a large amount of money in a case strapped to his wrist? That's ANOTHER strange happening where the "official records" have never been open for scrutiny. Now there's ANOTHER potential skeleton waiting to tumble out of the Royal's secrets closet.... well it's a well filled closet after all !!!
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  3709. You forgot to mention the prior event of Wilhelm II egging on Austro-Hungary to attack Serbia.
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  3710. So what? Those "Irreplaceable historical and artistic treasures" are lost to you and me anyway? Have YOU seen any of them? My car needs a new gearbox, just send me a bank transfer of £1000 will you? You appear to have no problem with spending other people's money on private matters... think I'll give it a try myself.
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  3711. The current royals have had their standard of living guaranteed by the globalist elites, as long as they promise to dismantle themselves, which led by Charles is exactly what they're doing right now.
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  3712. The UK government is not a "private boys club" designed to pander to the needs of the richest and most powerful in society. They were NOT "saving public artworks for the sake of humanity" they were saving privately owned artwork that neither you nor I or ANY of the UK taxpayers who funded the operation will EVER see !!!
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  3713. The king does NOT declare war. The King does NOT have the authority to issue orders to the armed forces. You've obviously never heard of the English civil wars have you?
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  3714. Pertinent point. All very "hush-hush" back channel communications. Of COURSE they were all in on it.... only the British taxpayer who was providing all the "blood and treasure" was kept in the dark about it.
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  3715. Yes, lucky that no British troops were killed helping the richest family in Britain to save their foreign relatives private property, foreign relatives mind you who were EAGER supports of the murderous regime that had just killed 460,000 British tax payers.... the same tax payers who the king was now stealing money from to help out his foreign relatives.... You couldn't make it up !!!!
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  3716. So what? My father served 6 years of "full on" active service in the RN during WW2... Did that entitle him to helping himself to UK taxpayers funds to feather his own families nest? After surviving his ship being dive bombed and sunk in the Indian Ocean.... Clinging to wreckage for 2 days and nights hundreds of miles from land before a miraculous rescue, and then a year later narrowly avoiding death when HMS Warspite was hit by Fritz X bombs... but suffered life long hearing damage as a result of it, What did all THAT entitle him to? A piss poor "minor war wound enhancement" he received 43 years after his injury to his state pension... a pension that he had paid national insurance contributions for 43 years. Yet the richest man in the UK helped himself to the UK taxpayers funds to save his relative's private property... and a relative who had been an eager active supporter of the regime that had spent the previous 6 years killing hundreds of thousands of British citizens at that !!!
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  3717. My sister's car has broken down... post us £10000 for a new one would you?
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  3718. Well said Bob... Thank God I'm not alone amongst the half wits and shills in these comments.
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  3719. Does that make it right? Try using that defence when you get grabbed by HMRC..... "oh I never paid my taxes because there are other people who get away with tax evasion". See how far it gets you.
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  3720.  @Ashfielder  The order's do NOT come from the sovereign.
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  3721.  @Ashfielder  You appear to have little understanding of how a constitutional monarch works. The monarch does NOT issue orders to the army. He "graciously allows his/her government" (appointed by the nation NOT him or herself) to do so. Service personnel do NOT "follow the monarch's orders" but the orders of those officers appointed by the nation's government which acts in the monarch's name. The head of state (the monarch) is NOT the executive or the legislature. It may seem pedantic to you, but in reality it is of such importance that hundreds of thousands of English citizens died during the English civil war to enforce that VERY POINT. That is to stop a monarch ruling the country as a dictatorship, and spending the taxes of its population to further his own personal interest. Which is EXACTLY what appears to have been going on here.
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  3722.  @Ashfielder  Indeed a foreign relative who gave an honest account of what happened... completely unaware that it transgressed the laws of the United Kingdom? Remember in law "ignorance is no defence".
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  3723. "I very much doubt that the King would have issued a direct command, which he is legally forbidden to do." inspite of the royal document from the royal archive that shows that he DID issue an order.
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  3724. "what alternative could there have been" The king could have instead used some of his OWN family's personal MILLIONS of pounds to fund the operation... instead of paying to save his foreign nazi supporting relative's private property by using UK taxpayers money and assets. How bout that for an alternative?
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  3725. Complete bollocks.
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  3726. Illegal orders are illegal orders. Nuremburg showed that "just following orders" is NOT a defence for the abuse of power.
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  3727. Or indeed the unprecedented destruction that the nazi Luftwaffe had FIRST meted out to the cities of the UK !!!!
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  3728.  @richardaillas162  That's a reasonable take on it... but it still doesn't hide the abuse of power. If George had shown his gratitude to the British taxpayer by making a payment via the "inland revenue" to thank both the tax payer and the conscripted servicemen who were used to save HIS relative's private property (not to mention relatives who had been supportive of Britain's mortal enemy) then it would have been more palatable. But there is NEVER any such honour paid to the ordinary citizen from those at the top. You & I as decent humans with a conscience would have made some kind of thankful gesture to those whose money and labour we and our families had benefitted from.... NONE was forthcoming from the royals.
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  3729.  @richardaillas162  So you're subtly attempting to shift the blame for the abuse of power from the king to Churchill?
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  3730. The "mere mention" WAS an "order".
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  3731.  @MrPaulBellingham  I don't need any "validation" of you or anyone else... its just mildly dispiriting to see SO many utterly clueless people being pissed over... and then opening their mouths to accept it. Who knows? Maybe you don't work and have never paid much in taxes..... wait till you grow up... you'll soon change your tune.
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  3732.  @MrPaulBellingham  I certainly did take an "oath of allegiance" to the then "Queen, her heirs and successors". But that in NO way allows the monarch to bypass the UK parliament and issue orders to the armed forces... OR his/her government. Those powers which existed centuries ago have through struggle (English civil wars) and by mutual "horse trading" & agreement been whittled down to a small number of remaining powers (known as "Royal Prerogative") NONE of which entitle the monarch to issue edicts or commands that override the rule of government. I am a realist who knows that royal wishes are always "heard", but that does NOT make it "right". Look at the story this conversation relates to. One of Britain's then richest men uses the British army which is paid for by you, me and every other hard pressed tax payer in the UK going back to Saxon times to help out his GERMAN relatives in a PRIVATE matter that in NO WAY benefitted the UK taxpayer. (The Royal Family itself has never paid ANY taxes prior to 1992, and have since then been allowed to chose what taxes they will and will not pay... they CHOOSE NOT to pay most taxes that they would otherwise incur, that change was done in the hope of keeping the masses from asking any further questions about their finances). The King, understandably wanted to help his German cousins (whose nation had for the previous 6 years had been trying to kill as many UK taxpayers as they could, and those German cousins had been only too happy to be a part of their national regime that wanted to destroy the UK). Why did he keep this act so secret if he wasn't ashamed of it? Why did he not pay the "Inland revenue" a million pounds to thank the taxpayers of Britain who had saved his relative's private foreign wealth? The whole story STINKS and the principle that it betrays, that is the accountability of the royals and the powerful to the government of the land, together with the acquiescence of the disinterested public will in the long run lead our future descendents back to feudal subsistance farming. Don't be so forgiving of the richest in society taking you & I for fools... rest assured they wouldn't give you the steam off their sh!t, even if you and your entire family's life depended on it.
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  3733.  @MrPaulBellingham  4 years in the RAF (Apprentice squadron where I qualified in Air Comms/Air Radar) followed by 1 year in No.1 Sqd (after which I "bought myself out"). Before serving 30 years in the UK Fire Service. I have a healthy understanding of British history, I recommend it to you... it gives you a better understanding of your country, it's institutions, and the struggles that it's people went through so as not to be living in a dictatorship.
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  3734.  @MrPaulBellingham  You're completely misunderstanding the role of a constitutional monarch. The King/Queen has NO executive powers apart from a few small ones which they retain via the "Royal Prerogative" which itself is limited and government by the executive, that being the elected govt. They are ABSOLUTELY forbidden to interact with the government on a partisan basis, or issue edicts to the elected government. The executive (government) rules in the monarch's name (hence HM Govt), but does NOT rule at the monarch's command. The government, elected by the electorate and with the oversight of the house of lords formulates law. When it has been finalised it is then passed to the king/queen for "royal assent", that is to be signed off by the head of state to be written into the "statute books". The King is VERY MUCH NOT meant to hand out orders to the British armed forces. You really need to read some more about the English civil law and why it was fought.
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  3735.  @MrPaulBellingham  The British constitutional monarch is SPECIFICALLY forbade from partisan involvement with the houses of Parliament. The laws of the land are formulated by the EXECUTIVE (the houses of parliament) and from there "Royal Assent" is sought... in other words the king or queen only then sign the finalised law formulated by parliament (the executive) onto the UK statute books. There is the "Royal Prerogative" which are the vestigial remains of when British monarchs ruled "by the grace of god" (Now known as a dictatorship) but most of the powers of the former Royal Prerogatives have over the centuries either been abolished, or have been assimilated by the government. The limits of former "Royal Prerogative" are now set by the elected executive (HM's Govt). Two of the few remaining powers of Royal Prerogative are the dissolution of the UK parliament and the administration of judicial "mercy". It does NOT include being permitted to order the British Army to act as removals men for foreign royals.... especially one's that are enemies of the UK. You really need to read some British history. I suggest starting with "Magna Carta" and "the English civil wars".
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  3736. By an elected British govt, not a hereditary self interest. It's what the English civil war was fought over nearly 400 years ago.
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  3737. You should have paid for it personally if it was so close to your heart. The rest of the UK taxpayers paid to save his foreign relative's wealth, and couldn't give a hoot whether the commies got it all or not.... either way none of us will ever see those treasures.
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  3738. How about YOU pay for it all?
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  3739. 2 @y_ffordd  Ceremonial and not substantive. Read more about " Magna Carta" & the causes & results of the English civil war
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  3740. Nice post.... that one has COMPLETELY slipped under my radar... another evil acronym to be added to the ranks of the UN, WHO, WEF, NATO, WB etc.
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  3741. Here's one thicko, how about the king finances the whole operation from his incredibly large personal wealth instead of stealing UK taxpayers funds? Quite simple. P.S My can needs an expensive veterinary procedure carrying out urgently, just bank transfer me £3000 to pay for it will you, you seem quite at ease with people stealing money that isn't theirs for their own private use.
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  3742. So the one wearing that nazi uniform in the video is not your blood relative then?
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  3743. Reading these comment sections it becomes HIGHLY apparent why the "powers that be" go out of their way to destroy the "ejukashun sistims" of the world. The amount of complete IGNORANCE with regard to royal powers and limitations is plain to see. The dorks of the world EAGER to hand power back to those from who it took centuries to wrest that power from in the first place!!! "Those who don't learn from history are bound to repeat it" is CLEARLY evident in these comments.
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  3744. Well until some other evidence to the contrary comes to light, it is indeed a perfectly reasonable assumption. Rest assured it won't ever come to light... It appears that apart from the royal shills in the comments, the majority of the rest of the commenters are to thick to see when someone is pissing in their face.
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  3745.  @kenohara8935  Silly by!!! You mean Germany repeatedly invading neighbours without warning?
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  3746. If you don;t know what you're talking about then just ask questions.. leave the incorrect statements out if it.
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  3747. Hmmm. difficult choice. The small chance of iconoclasm (most valuable works of art were preserved for the communist "elite" and not "destroyed" per se), or using UK public funds to preserve the private property of a foreign (& also enemy) royal. When will YOU, I or ANY OTHER UK taxpayer ever get to see these foreign works of privately held art that all of us UK tax payers paid to protect?
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  3748. Why talk wordy nonsense about a subject you clearly have NO understanding of?
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  3749. ""orders" are issued by or in the name of the sovereign"... They are NOT issued BY the monarch, they ARE issued by the elected government that acts in the monarch's name. His role is NOT as the legislation or executive.
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  3750. Why talk complete bollocks over something you've got UTTERLY no idea about?
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  3751. Please refrain from talking complete uninformed bollocks in public forums.
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  3752. Still see the legions of the thick spewing their uninformed opinions about the royal theft of public money for private purposes.
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  3753. Nonsense. MORE connected to the growing globalisation desired by the world's most powerful corporations.
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  3754. At least the UK taxpayer would hvae got some return for the theft of their money.
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  3755. "Civilised"? You mean stealing money that wasn't his to help himself?
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  3756. No he DID abuse his power. Simple as.
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  3757. Absolutely. As I've always said... the real struggle is not "man Vs Woman" "black Vs white" "Muslim Vs Jew" or "Gay Vs Straight"... and on and on and on... but it IS "Rich and Powerful Vs Poor and clueless"
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  3758. No. The Monarch exercises NO power over the UK's armed forces. It's what the English civil wars were fought over. Unfortuately judging by the complete ignorance of many commenters in this section those thousands of lives sacrificed centuries ago to put an end to greedy monarchs raping the population seem to have been in vain.
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  3759. Complete bollocks.
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  3760. I wonder why George and the rest of Britain's RICHEST family didn't make a handsome gift via the "inland revenue" as a "thank you" to the UK taxpayers that fund for the British armed forces for the help that WE provided in helping him save his NAZI cousin's personal property?
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  3761. Complete bollocks.
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  3762. My sister's car has broken down... post us £10000 for a new one would you?
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  3763.  @Jay-hj5tl  Please don't embarrass yourself by highlighting your COMPLETE ignorance of what a constitutional Monarch is. Maybe start the education you should have received at school by doing some reading about "Magna Carta" and the causes and results of the English civil wars. You'll thank me, as it'll stop you talking clueless BS in public in future.
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  3764. Instead of talking complete uneducated bollocks... go do some reading on Magna Carta and the causes of the English civil wars.
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  3765. Bollocks He saved personal family possesions with money and assets that weren't his to use.
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  3766. He is a figurehead, and NOT the executive. It's what the English civl war was fought over 400 years ago.
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  3767. If you think it was "justified" then pout your hand in your pocket and pay for it !!! It was theft and abuse of power by the richest family in the British Empire, stealing from the rest of us.
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  3768. Why didn't he pay out of his OWN money to save his relatives possesions, instead of stealing UK tax payers money. P.S I need a new garden shed as the roof on my old one is leaking. Will you pay for a new one to protect MY possesions?
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  3769. My grandfather was also in the 1st Battalion 22nd regiment of foot (Cheshire Regt) during WW1. He was taken prisoner at Mons in August 1914, spent 4 years in a German PoW camp, before dying in 1930 of illness caused by his incarceration. Just 15 years after his death, the richest family in the British Empire, stole public funds and assets and abused process and power to protect the private possessions of their FOREIGN relatives. Relatives who also happended to be eager supporters of the regime that had just been responsible for the deaths of 460,000 British citizens. These feckers have utterly NO shame at all.
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  3770. Read the "legions of the thick" in these comments, celebrating as one of the UK's richest men used public funds to save his foreign relative's private property. The fact that the relative was an avid member of the regime that had for the previous 6 years been killing hundreds of thousands of British citizens seems beyond them !!!
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  3771. You don't think the British taxpayer paid to save it for OUR benefit did you?
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  3772. You're SO altruistic with other people's money. My shed roof is leaking.... would you please buy me a new shed?
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  3773. Minor, you think? We were fighting against dictatorship and abuse of power. George helped his cousin to save his private property, by using UK taxpayers money... even though his cousin was an avid and eager supporter of the nazi regime that had spent the previous 6 years killing hundreds of thousands of taxpaying UK citizens !!!!
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  3774. And should NOT be used to sort out the personal errands and problems of the richest family in the land.
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  3775. Kindness with British tax payers money to benefit his avowed nazi relatives who 460,000 British citizens had just died trying to topple. It's why hundreds of thousands of English citizens died during the 17th century English Civil War to stop a thieving king abusing his subjects for his own benefit.
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  3776. Please send your personal cheque to "Buckingham Palace, London, England"
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  3777. One of the richest men in the UK uses the funds gathered from the poorest in the UK to sort out his own cousin's problems (A cousin who also happened to be an enemy of the UK taxpayer who was now paying to help him out) !!! It would have been acceptable for the King to pump a million into the UK's tax coffers to cover the cost of the British army helping his relatives out... even though they were nazis.
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  3778. ​ @tlevans62  You obviously didn't cover it in enough depth. I'll see your "toy soldiers training course" and raise it with a PhD in Early Modern European history.
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  3779.  @tlevans62  No they DON'T have those powers as a thorough knowledge of the English civil war will attest to. I suggest you try to acquire one.
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  3780.  @tlevans62  It's not "convention", but LAW that invests the power of the executive in "HM govt". The Monarch remains head of state in name only. The transfer of power from over reaching monarchs began with "Magna Carta", and was further advanced by the terrible blood letting of the English civil wars. As you rightly say the small number of remaining vestigial executive powers currently held by the monarch, (AKA "The Royal Prerogative") are limited by Parliamentary law and include the dissolution of parliament which happens as a matter of course to limit the duration of a government, and the granting of leniency in judicial matters. It does NOT include "back channel communications with the executive to allow the royals to dip their hands into public tax coffers to help out foreign royal relatives protect their personal property" .... EVEN less so when that relative was an ardent supporter of a military enemy !!! It's not his abuse of power that annoys me today.... that's a done thing disappearing into the sands of time.... its the amount of royal shills and utterly CLUELESS people now in comments who seem fully satisifed to allow the richest family in the land to dip their hands into yours and my pocket to look after their own private interests.
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  3781. A constituional monarch does NOT have that power.
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  3782. OH Alan, DO simmer down now.... the world didnt begin when you were born, you know? "England" has been used by MANY learned historical figures to represent "Britain" and the "United Kingdom" throughout the centuries. Well done that you know the correct differentiations... but don't place yourself too high in the" intelligence pecking order" because of it.
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  3783. Why talk complete bollocks over something you've got UTTERLY no idea about?
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  3784. What saddens me most about this story is NOT the theft of public funds by the richest family in the British Empire, or the abuse of power that enabled it, that story is as old as the hills now and those who stole and abused are long dead and rotted in their graves. It's the current absolute thick headed ignorance of so many modern idiotic people in comments, who either through complete stupidity or maybe being online royalist shills, are so completely ignorant as to DEFEND the theft of their OWN family's hard earned taxes by those in power by illegal means. “Those who have long enjoyed such privileges as we enjoy forget in time that men have died to win them." - Franklin D. Roosevelt”
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  3785. Yes the victory of the Weimar Republic is well documented.
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  3786. So what? My daughter needs serious private medical treatment, I'll just help myself to your bank account, OK? It's "family" after all !!!
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  3787. Seems like you're accusing your father of having NO knowledge of the powers of a constitutional monarch, the abuse of power and the cause and history of the English civil wars. Did you not like your dad?
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  3788. The saving of the private family treasures from communism is not the point. It was the abuse of public funds and resources by one of the the richest families in the world to protect their own private property that is the disgrace. If they had made a sizeable donation to the UK tax coffers for the favour it might well have smoothed the matter over..... but as it stands it is simply a shameless abuse of power & process, and the "masses" continue to "tug the forelock" to self serving royals and politicos. And for old king "banger fingers" to allow this publication seems to be just pissing in the face of the British public. Maybe he could make amends and accompany this disclosure by transferring a small proportion of his VAST familial wealth back into the society that supports him (and his nazi relatives by the looks of it).
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  3789. Utter nonsense. He STOLE UK taxpayers money and abused his position in EXACTLY that all the English kings upto Charles I did.
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  3790. Good point Kevin.
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  3791. So you're cool with the richest family in the land against all the laws of Britain stealing from the taxation pot to save their foreign relatives private property? How would you feel if the geriatric puppet Biden helped himself to a million from US taxes to redocorate his Cousin's house?
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  3792. Him paying for the removals of his relative's possessions out of his OWN money? How bout that?
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  3793. You think we're the only monarchy in the world?
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  3794. Charlie "banger fingers" the third has been bought off by the corporate globalists. Like everything else he's sold himself to the highest bidder.
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  3795. In your list of military thieves you forgot to mention one of the BIGGEST "playas" in that field, that being nazi Germany.... who the British monarch then helped using the money of the British people, and all before WW2 had even finished !!!
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  3796. What was the benefit to the British taxpayer who paid for it all? P.S I'm moving house next month... will you please pay for my removals men to save me the money please?
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  3797. My sister's car has broken down... post us £10000 for a new one would you?
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  3798. It wasn't a case of no successor appointed... no one WANTED to take the reins.
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  3799. Apart from those whose may have ancestors who were wholly indigenous pictish, Roman, French or Scandinavian.
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  3800. "we" do our best for friends and family? The king did NOTHING for HIS relatives... the BRITISH TAXPAYER did it for him. P.S I'm moving house next month... will you pay for my removals men to save me the money please?
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  3801. My swimming pool needs some remedial work doing on it, please just wire me £50,000 to cover the cost. What ? Why are you complaining? You believe its FINE to steal what isn't yours for your own private purposes.
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  3802. They were private possessions before the war, and by abusing British taxpayers money and assets they were retained in the private hands of the enemies of the people of Great Britain.
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  3803. Niether Churchill OR the monarchy are dictators. There is a due process of law that has been refined & ruled our nation since before "Magna Carta". Neither have the power vested in them to use public funds and resources for their own personal gain without "due process" that is what happened here. That's what the entire English Civil Wars were fought over, to stop monarchs and those in power to act as dictators and to rob the ordinary peopl of the country of their rightful property. Don't be so eager to hand over mine and millions of other's hard earned taxation to help out foreign relatives of the richest family in the country (who also happened to be eager supporters of the foreign regime that had just killed 460,000 British citizens and tax payers!!!). Run away now and go "tug your forelock".
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  3804. I'm sure the billions of pounds they're received from the hardworking citizens of the United Kingdom has softened the trauma somewhat over the last 107 years.
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  3805. What ARE you on about?
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  3806. So if historically someone steals someone else's money, you can't comment on it after their death "cos they're not here to defend themselves"? What a strange viewpoint you have there.
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  3807. Are you British? Is so are you happy with the RICHEST family in the country using YOU hard earned tax pounds to sort out problems for their foriegn relatives who just happened to be eager supporters of the foreign regime that had just killed 460,000 British Tax payers during WW2? Regardless of whether you're happy or not, the Royals ABUSED their influence and abused the due process of English law to steal UK tax payers money and assets to sort out their OWN private family problems. My roof's leaking, just bank transfer me £3500 to fix it will you? After all you seem to have no objection to people using money that they have no right to to fix their private problems!!!
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  3808. Please send your own personal cheque to the king's own hardship fund at "Buckingham Palace, London, England".
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  3809. They still mange to abuse thie influence to exert power... as is ably demonstrated by this episode.
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  3810. You mean thieving off the UK taxpayers for his own benefit?
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  3811. Royal thief.
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  3812. Well said.
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  3813. Allegedly? NOthing "alleged" about it. They were openly nazi supporters prior to WW2, if not during and after it.
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  3814. No problem with saving your own family's private wealth. Its the theft of UK taxpayers funds to do so that sticks in the throats of people with more intelligence.
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  3815. Does that make it right? I wonder if I told HMRC that I had short changed them of £1m in tax 10 years ago they would "leave me be"?
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  3816. The promise of support by Wilhelm II with his massive Germany armed forces to Austro-Hungarian Emperor Franz Ferdinand did encourage Austro-Hungary to attack Serbia after Ferdinand's assasination. The Austrian's would not have dared to mobilise against Serbia without Wilhelm's support. Many factors contributed to the build up to war, but Wilhelm's cack-handed pledge of support for Austria Hungary in her long standing disputes with Serbia was the trigger.
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  3817. Funny how when the Germans tried to access "their colony" in 1940 they got fucked off well and proper !!! Haahahaha
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  3818. The Germans spend MILLIONS to produce a world beating jet bomber/reconnaisance aircraft to spy on Britain. The British spend four pound seventeen shillings and sixpence to rig up inflatable dummy tanks to fool the entire German war effort into the existence of the First US Army Group in Kent.
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  3819. Did my electronics trade training at RAF Cosford for 3 years in the early 80s and never ONCE went into the museum.
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  3820. To spot any merchant ships on the horizon.
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  3821. Another "close to where I live" potential subject for a couple of Mark's "leftfield" videos might be the 1988 "Rendlesham Forest / RAF Woodbridge UFO incident" or the 1956 "Lakenheath Bentwaters UFO incident", both of which are a trebuchet's boulder throw from his home town.
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  3822. Really? Did you not watch the video?
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  3823. Always wanted a Raleigh "Grifter".... never got one though... had to make do with big Bruv's "hand me downs". :eyes-purple-crying:
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  3824. The "clever" person knows everything... the "wise" person knows how little they really know.
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  3825. Nice. Bravo, I'll start my research on it all straightaway !!!
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  3826. No, you're commenter number 1796 who has mentioned it.
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  3827. Well Britain had just sacrificed 460,000 of its citizens and bankrupted itself during WW2, Do you think they were worried about keeping nazi aircraft for posterity? They couldn't even save FAR more worthy pieces such as a Royal Navy battleship to act as a national memorial for the 10,000s of RN seaman who died keeping our sealanes open.
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  3828.  @drsnova7313  Personally I've managed to not lose a single nights sleep in my life over the fact that Himmler's aircraft was scrapped. As for the lack of an RN battleship not being saved from the breakers yard for the reason I gave above, it is an indication of the disregard by those in power that the sacrifice of Britain's "soldier citizens" was held in.
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  3829. Always a risk in the political world... ask the families of John Smith, Robin Cook & Dr David Kelly.
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  3830. Go knock at the door and ask.
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  3831.  @brzeczyszczykiewicz4476  How equitable of you. With a Polish sounding name such as yours I would have though you would have considered the "good guys" were the ones who went to war to topple the murderous regime that sited 6 nazi death camps on Polish soil.
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  3832. I don't condone "theft" in any circumstances. My comment was meant to highlight your jaded nonsense that it was purely "the British" who indulged in such acts.
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  3833.  @brzeczyszczykiewicz4476  That's ok. The theft was universal, not solely the preserve of Britain.
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  3834. Much as the nazi embassies in Washington and Moscow, and the British / US / USSR embassies in Berlin, Rome and Tokyo were also seized. You silly boy.
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  3835. Why do you believe it was Britain's responsibility to act as the policeman of Europe? Can't you idiots in Eastern/Central Europe sort out your OWN problems?
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  3836. As Foreign minister/Plenipotentiary at large he pushed for and organised the shipping of Jews/Romani/Sinti from each of the nazis colonies in Europe into the death camp system.
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  3837.  @vinycrimbo8692  Why would I waste my time reading such discredited nonsense from a fiction writer? You get back to me after you've read what Gunter Bischof (A respected Austrian historian) and Steven H Ambrose, a widely acclaimed and much studied US military historian, amongst many others had to say about his completely fabricated nonsense.
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  3838.  @vinycrimbo8692  Why because you SAY it's a fact? Don't be ridiculous.
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  3839. Or John Smith, Robin Cook & Dr David Kelly.
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  3840. Bore off.
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  3841. Yes, the wealthy do enjoy their privacy. They don;t want the "hoi polloi" snooping round their multi million pound mansions, in the hope that they'll be safe in the coming civil disorder. St George's Hill next to Brooklands race circuit is another multi millionaire's exclusive enclave.
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  3842. We've dealt with it.... Keep an eye on your own.
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  3843. We have the vowel sound... just not the punctuation.
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  3844. That incredible.... I've just used St George's Hill as another example of a gated private enclave of multi millionaires.
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  3845. We won't lose any sleep lad.
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  3846. "strove for peace and better relations" AKA "Placate the British empire while the nazis rape central and eastern Europe".
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  3847. As nazi Foreign Minister (also being titled as "Plenipotentiary-at-large") he was vested with independence of action in many aspects of his work. Such as the nazi's habitual lack of legal declaration of war before it attacked it's next unsuspecting victim, as well as taking an active part in the illegal absorption of Bohemia/Moravia and Slovakia into the reich, and instigating the transfer of Jews and other "undesirables" from occupied territories to the reich for "processing". Rest assured just because you do not understand big words, and strange concepts does NOT mean the man was a peace loving hippy. There you can sleep easily in bed tonight knowing that the fucker rightfully suffered in agony for 14 minutes before the final "lights out".
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  3848. Says who? An uninformed YT commenter?
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  3849. For all the nazi fanbois asking why Ribbentrop was put on trial at Nuremburg, As nazi Foreign Minister (also being titled as "Plenipotentiary-at-large") he was vested with independence of action in many aspects of his work. Such as the nazi's habitual lack of legal declaration of war before it attacked it's next unsuspecting victim, as well as taking an active part in the illegal absorption of Bohemia/Moravia and Slovakia into the reich, and instigating the transfer of Jews and other "undesirables" from occupied territories to the reich for "processing". There you can sleep easily in bed tonight knowing that the fucker rightfully suffered in agony for 14 minutes before the final "lights out".
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  3850. As nazi Foreign Minister (also being titled as "Plenipotentiary-at-large") he was vested with independence of action in many aspects of his work. Such as the nazi's habitual lack of legal declaration of war before it attacked it's next unsuspecting victim, as well as taking an active part in the illegal absorption of Bohemia/Moravia and Slovakia into the reich, and instigating the transfer of Jews and other "undesirables" from occupied territories to the reich for "processing". Rest assured just because you do not understand big words, and strange concepts does NOT mean the man was a peace loving hippy. There you can sleep easily in bed tonight knowing that the fucker rightfully suffered in agony for 14 minutes before the final "lights out".
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  3851. A private gated enclave of the wealthy much like St George's Hill in Weybridge, hoping to sit out any impending civil disorder in security.
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  3852. How would you have avoided it?
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  3853. The 1935 AGNA "Anglo German Naval Agreement". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-German_Naval_Agreement
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  3854. Very early in WW2 there were mutliple occasions while downed Luftwaffe aircrews were buried in the UK with full military honours, their coffins draped with nazi flags..... that was before the Luftwaffe started bombing British cities and civilians though.
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  3855. Yes particularly heavily armed Germans driving in heavily armoured vehicles.
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  3856. No for being a nazi plenipotentiary responsible for illegal acts of war, and for orchestrating the deportation of Jews / Romani / Sinti peoples from nazi colonies for "processing" in nazi death camps.
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  3857. You mean like Stalin did in August 1939?
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  3858. He had plenty of good company there.
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  3859. His execution was carried out by the US army.... seems they have problems with murderous opportunists as well.
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  3860. Corporate globalism seems to be bringing the impressionable young kids out of the woodwork.
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  3861. So it was nothing to do with him being an active participant in the launching of a series of unannounced attacks on unsuspecting European neighbouring countries, and then being instrumental in the deportation of Jews/Romani/Sinti people and others from those nations to be "processed" by the nazi regime?
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  3862.  @philsteele913  Lived here for 30 years.... never ONCE heard of Ribbentrop being a resident. My guess is he MAY have once come to a prewar open golf tournament at Birkdale, and from there a rumour grew. A "My mum's milkman's son's binman once knew someone who's doctor's newsagent once served a feller who lived nearby who looked like Ribbentrop.... kind of thing. I lived for 30 years in Liverpool with the "Adolf Hitler lived in Toxteth before WW1" nonsense.
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  3863.  @RailsUpNorth  "Local journalist" from the "champion" or "visitor"? I've heard enough, thanks for that... it saves me from wasting my time looking into it.
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  3864. Where did you hear that from? I've heard the nonsense about Hitler spending time in Toxteth, but not of Ribbentrop eating fish and chips on Lord St !!!
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  3865. No really he wasn't... you've just made that up, haven't you?
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  3866. You're looking at the photo with post 1945 eyes. Look at it with 1936 eyes and it was no different from a French tricolor on the coffin of a French diplomat.
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  3867. Nothing more ruthless than an ambitious social climbing woman.
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  3868. You mean the abolition of slavery, and the dragging of tribal lands into the modern era?
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  3869. Go polish your repro HJ dagger you've got school in the morning.
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  3870. It's not Americans per se that are acting like that, but the corporate globalist cabal that now run western politics.
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  3871. You won't escape from student loans THAT easily !!!
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  3872. Chancers, opportunists and the idiots hanging on their coat tails always do !!!
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  3873. Read more. type less.
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  3874. Read more.
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  3875. Maybe in 1945... prior to that they'd been fighting for OTHER people's homelands.
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  3876. How do you know they're forgotten?
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  3877. Absolutely still today, the vast majority of people just want to be left alone to live their lives in peace.... but that doesn't make enough profit for those at the top, and doesn't keep the "riff raff's" numbers down.
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  3878. Why would he bother purveying complete BS and lies?
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  3879. Being laughed at is somthing that NO ambitious power seeker EVER likes.... no matter how much they tell you they don't mind. As Mark says its something that modern globalist despots seem to have been unable to "manage" out of existence.
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  3880. I think you mean BY Indian Royals.
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  3881. The difference being that when the allies exacted "war booty" on German citizens in 99% of cases they left the original owners, destitute but ALIVE. When the german troops were likewise doing it to the citizens of OTHER nations they as often as not ended the life of the orginal owner after they're stolen their goods. Looking for sympathy for rich, nazi supporting aristocracy? Look elsewhere.....
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  3882. Phew !!!! It's lucky that all other nations of the world are such paragons of virtue, and NOT subject to filthy underhanded dealings. I'm off to post my bank account details to a Nigerian Prince who's looking for somewhere safe to stash $300,000,000 .... Said he'll cut me in on the action if I give him my bank details to allow the transfer.
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  3883. Dr Mark seems to imagine that an "anti-tank platoon" having hundreds of empty sandbags carried in its transport equates to "going equipped". I suppose such "anti-tank platoons" normally used pillows and old crisp packets to construct the defensive positions for their guns whenever they were assigned to defend a position. Do try to keep it factual Dr, such nonsense conjecture wouldn't be allowed to go unchallenged in a court room.
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  3884. Don't fall for that biased conjecture by "the Dr". Witness where he states it was an "anti tank platoon of the Cheshire Regt" that surrounded the castle.... Y'know "anti tank platoons" that ROUTINELY carry hundreds of empty sand bags ready to construct defensive positions for their guns whenever they are sited for action. Mark "spicing up" the story there with hearsay.
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  3885. Tastes, fashions, and political considerations change many things in society. As a child I used to enjoy meatballs of pork, pig's heart, liver, and fatty belly meat or bacon and seasoned with various herbs, but I'd be well advised nowadays not to broadcast my childhood love of maggots .... but with an "F" instead of an "m" at the beginning. Even YT doesn't like people to talk about those savoury, tasty titbits that have LONG been a staple of European cuisine.
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  3886. Nice bit of racial profiling there Mike, worthy of Hitler himself.
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  3887. Please give us some details of allied massacres programmed by the western powers.
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  3888. Vasily Blokhin was the man, who even the most conservative of assessments suggests that he personally shot 7000 individuals. It was written that during this massacre he set himself a quota of 300 Poles executed individually with a pistol shot to the back of the head..... A NIGHT !!! Equivalent to 1 execution every 75 seconds for 8 hours. The only grain of consolation is that after the deaths of Stalin and Beria, he fell on hard times, became an alcoholic and committed suicide in 1955.
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  3889.  @d.k8257  No more "twats" that any other nation. Seeing as Russia stretches nearly half way around the world, and encompasses many many diverse ethnic groupings, the OP with his diseased national stereotyping is as much of a nazi as the nazis were themselves.
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  3890. Why declare war against a country that : 1. You have utterly NO physical means of attacking. 2. Is WIDELY known to be in a temporary alliance with its avowed mortal enemy, an alliance of which it is only a short matter of time before we KNEW that they would be at each other's throats. To have declared war against the USSR would have quickly created an unbeatable alliance between one of the world's foremost military powers and a country with almost limitless natural resources. Luckily smarter people than yourself were directing the western war effort.
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  3891. Ah, so it was Churchills Fault !!! What exactly could he have done, that wasn't done?
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  3892. Yes indeed.... From ALL nationalities.
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  3893. What !!! Have the Russians crossed the Mexican border ???? Oh no that's right... its US / NATO directed & supplied proxy forces that are goading the Russians on EVERY border they possibly can. You'd never know that if you only watched Globalist media BS would you?
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  3894. "all of you"? WTF are you on about?
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  3895. Do you hate ALL Russians? Must've took you a long time to get to know them individually. Like ALL peoples of the world, they are moulded and shaped by the regime that run their respective country.
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  3896. The spirit of world communism is alive and kicking, but not in Russia, but in the WEF directed globalism that has insinuated its puppets in governments across the west, and through plandemics and control of the money supply is busily taking over the world.
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  3897. "the free world" indeed. FFS.
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  3898. Poland's geographical location is akin to being a spring lamb in the middle of a pack of wolves.
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  3899. Program starts at 1:27
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  3900. He's simply the one making the MOST of his public profile using "youtube". There are many FAR well regarded historians in the world... but unless you're into deeply esoteric academia you won't know any of them.
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  3901. Courts usually class such things as legitimate "war booty"
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  3902. A couple of familiar faces in the prewar SS marching footage... Sepp Dietrich.... Reinhard Heydrich....
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  3903. Who's "we"?
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  3904. It's neatly called Corporate globalism. It's the same cabal that have now bought and paid for all the govts & MSM of the west. You've taken the blue pill. Welcome... to the REAL world.
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