Comments by "Ikenga Spirit" (@ikengaspirit3063) on "What if the Scramble for Africa Never Happened?" video.

@grzegorzbrzeczyszykiewic3338 It was because they couldn't. They lost against Zimbabwean, Senegambian (including Mali) states and Kongo. So much so that they didn't try anything militarily when Bini stopped selling them slaves and the Ethiopians expelled them. Also, tropical diseases
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@jakesmall8875 why did humans not develop agriculture for the 2 million to 100,000 years of human existance then and not now.
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Some of these are more ethnic than tribal groupings.
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@jakesmall8875 how's that a 100,000 year head start? It would be like saying the Brits had 70,000 years on USA so why is USA more powerful. Whatever innovations were made in Africa before homo sapiens migrated out, they still had it when they migrated out. They still had the spear, sling and whatever else was created in Africa before the expansion out of it, so those outside of Africa had as many innovations as those within it.
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@fritoss3437 lol. Ethiopia beat Egypt several times and Egypt would probably start dealing with Sudanese rebellions like the Madhists(who the British faced) before they get to any significant extent up the Ethiopian highlands.
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Well, that would take someone with a big and detailed Knowledge on pre-colonial African history which I don't think there are enough of for those simultaneously also highly interested in and involved in Alternate history to exist yet.
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@penzorphallos3199 I mean, if you are going by UN definitions of Slavery, alot of that is still Western Run companies like Nestle that are running them.
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@jbertucci yes, and answer my question. I have answered yours.
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@jakesmall8875 Like Jesus Christ. How did South Korea go from Huts to one of the most advanced states in 50 years? Like did thousands of years of Sinitic civilization just vanish into hunts 51 years ago?. The USA didn't build from nothing. The USA built from Britain(itself building from predecessors) and a continent of practically free space to do whatever it wanted. Yeah, don't forget about how in most white countries small migrant populations are doing better in economic and education and a different(or the same) is doing better in being pro-adpative.
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@domenstrmsek5625 yeah, that was the difference the Africans had a larger army, fairly united State and a hostile home field as advantage. But that doesn't somehow completely negate the advantages that the Portuguese had. Like the Spanish did real impressive with small numbers in the Americas.
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@76456 also, Kongo fought several wars with Portugal and more frequently lost later wars ending eventually with their de jure vassalization, then later de facto vassalization and finally annexation without military resistance.
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@alexanderphilip1809 1. Why is the transformation from Hunter-Gatherer and autonomous agriculture to states seen as evolution or "moving forward". many Anarchists, Ancient Historians and Anthropologists would disagree. States can be very oppressive, that's why Akan migrated from Wagadu/Mali and non-state actors can be very innovative that's why our first wheel is found in the Carpathians and our first iron working in Eurasia in the Caucasus. 2. Why is the fact that some regions developed stimulated by trade or some other external factor used to present their development as inauthentic? The Japan and Korea that you mentioned had strong Chinese influences in their state formation. Korean agriculturalists and artisans migrated into and stimulated early Japanese culture/civilization and trade with China for Bronze stamps(of approval) and Bronze mirrors justified and manifested early Japanese polities and as for Korea their semi-legendary first state of Gojoseon was conquered by China before historial Korean states start to appear. 3. Who said there were no huge architectural advancements or advanced states or advanced cultures(what may be called civilizations) in SSA? What of the walls of Benin where when stretched out are longer than that of China, Kerma culture ruins are comparable to those of New and Mid Kingdoms Egypt. There is an entire thread of 150ish pages on African architecture on Historum just search "The Diversity Of Early African Architecture/Ruins Thread" and "Historum" on google and it would show up. (won't post a link here cuz Youtube will delete the whole comment over it). 400 BC to 500 AD Congo-Gabon rainforest was advanced enough to support a population higher than the modern stretch of land without utterly destroying the forest. "Population collapse in Congo rainforest from 400 CE urges reassessment of the Bantu Expansion", "Egypt Search :- Lost Civilization in the Congo Basin by Mike Fay and Richard Oslisly" "Archaeologists Have Uncovered Ancient Tools in Gabon That May Rewrite Our Understanding of Humankind’s History in Central Africa". Pre-Oduduwa Ile-Ife, Ogiso Bini and Igbo Ukwu are forest region Nigerian states at least as old as the BC/AD turn, the Punt peoples that Egypt traded with/vassalized were part of a cultural continuum that stretched all the way to Uganda, Engaruka was a terraced and planned agricultural complex that spanned the entire modern day Engaruka valley(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engaruka), the Kitara capital was as large as Kilwa and Zimbabwe larger, Leopard Kopje stone works are just a few centuries later than Bantu arrival in Southern Africa (so Leopard Kopje starts 400-500). And these are just the ones I could remember off the head, in part because I read of them recently or am still reading on them. Just because you don't know about any of these doesn't mean there weren't monumental architectural and advanced cultures(Civilizations) works in Africa
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It is annoying when people don't listen to the context of someone's language. "Economic exploitation as the main driver for more and more of Africa getting colonized in the late 1800s to early 1900s is a myth".
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I see little way capital to invest would be an issue. As long as you have stable states, you can make a deal with a foreign investor.
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@diargakande6740 I would like to make a distinction between the earlier Aksumite state destroyed by Gudit in around 1000 AD and the Medieval Ethiopian state that continued to today that succeeded that state. Aksum at different point directly controlled Dijiboutian and Somaliland territories. The Ethiopian state controlled the same lands but mostly indirectly. And yes, the Ethiopian state had to survive several Muslim coalitions to destroy and Aksum fell to a Queen that the Ethiopians call Gudit that Somalis and Yemeni say was Muslim.
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@jakesmall8875 And you pretend like the IQ of states don't grow when they are richer and more educated.
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Although, a collaboration between people with more high detail regional knowledge on Africa could work, but who's gonna organize that?
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@uyilol4557 well, he doesn't know much on African History so it is probably better tht he didn't. Also, Bini was no longer a regional power at this point.
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@bolajix905 Oyo had horses but could only use them North I the Forest region. But yeah, over time some horses gained enough resistance to survive at least North of the Forest region but before that even getting to the Sahel was a death sentence and they had to be constantly imported from North Africa during the Ghana and Mali era.
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@haltdieklappe7972 Hutu and Tutsi lived together for millennia without issue. Without tensions created by colonials treating the Tutsi as pseudo-White, there would have been no Rwandan genocide. Not to say there would be no mass killings, any war would have that but probably no Rwandan genocide
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@mint8648 what are you talking about? Eritrea had been mostly taken by the Ottomans then Italians so how would the Ethiopian states be limited to territory mostly in the hands of foreigners?.
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@luisgoncalosilva6194 Can you please read my reply to dont3 or better yet pick up the relevant volume of the Cambridge or UNESCO history of Africa.
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Here's how I see it. The Americans will still lead alot of successful missionaries into Africa and convert much of the population, tho not as fast as OTL. By now most Westernized states would have Christian majorities but the traditional religions won't be discredited either. Black Americans will work closely with some Atlantic African states. The coastal semi-christian African states would penetrate deep and basically reverse the dominance of the Sahel. I would like to say many more than OTL developed states on the coast due to greater stability but Medieval and early modern states being introduced to modern and post-modern ideologies will certainly bring alot of instability to alot of states bit those that avoid that will be more developed than OTL versions of the same. Iron using peoples in the middle of the continent not having to suffer from Industrial society and it's consequences. Tho mostly claimed by and in the spheres of influence if others.
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@centercannothold most of the colonies didn't turn a profit but that isn't to say all of them didn't. As the video later shows, most of the coastal/southern West African coast turned a profit and would still be colonized in this timeline but even then, even to a lesser extent.
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@markm2092 South Korea's development isn't really tied to the USA. The USA could always just station troops like they do in Oceania. South Korea's development is tied to the many successful Youth lead movements to improve the state and topple bad governments giving the government reason not to be so horribly corrupt as to be ineffective.
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What if Tang continued their expansion into Central Asia after the Battle of Talas (None of the rebellions that followed after that crippled the dynasty)[Also the Sassanid dynasty had gone to Tang China and its prince was there at the frontlines of the Battles against the Caliphate, I imagine that if the Tang are relatively triumphant he would be made a vassal King or commandary on a Tang Iranian protectorate]. What if Viking expansion took them all the way to West Africa, establishing trade routes btw West Africa and Europe through the Atlantic by 1000 AD. What if Portugal and Ethiopia allied to destroy Mecca. What if the Ottomans conquered Rome. What if the alliance between the Mongols/Ilkhans and the Crusaders/Catholics was able to be long lasting and well coordinated. Preferably it be that the very first allinace works and the two forces be able to coordinate themselves well. What if Biafran and/or Katangan and/or West Papuan secession succeeded
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@jakesmall8875 I wouldn't call Europe's climate harsher than SSA given it was able to support a similar population and population density as India and China for most of history.
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@jakesmall8875 source on Africa having villages 100K years ago. And on the early migrants from Africa never having those similar structures when the migrated to Eurasia.
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@mariano98ify @Evelyn Alex used the literal worst example of European ethnic Chauvanism that lived contemporaneously to colonization to show that even people with the most pro "Europe good, Africa stupid" that lived contemporaneously with colonialism but didn't have direct stakes in colonialism would see its destructive effects. What is stopping you from seeing it?.
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@GAMER123GAMING They also had local allies and mercenaries in Africa, like they used Ovimbundu alot against Kongo. Well, disease is less a factor in Africa but it did still affect the African armies as well.
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@bucktooth002 they didn't give up on Africa they just didn't settler colonize most of it.
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@AMR_k400 Somalis and some other Minor Muslim ethnicities mention having a Muslim queen around that time which some schoolars correlate with Gudit as well, only Ethiopians called her Gudit and the Yemen example called her a different name but describe her doing what Gudit was famous to have done. Zagwe dynasty too is contentious. The official church histories say it was an Aksumite general, tho there are traditions that say it was from Gudit and schoolars that agree with that view. The Ethiopians didn't really slaughter the Jews, like they brutally conquered Semien when they had the power but the area still retained its Jewish character openly.
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@AMR_k400 The explanation that I buy for all the similar stories about war-mongering queens from around the same time period in societies that were either mostly ruled by men or were not unified(like Sidamo) is that Gudit lead a coalition of of all those tribes and states against Aksum and successfully destroyed Aksum, a feat great enough that she remained the most influential leader among the coalition till her death. The exact people she ruled I would say are probably Beta Israel or Sidamo but her feat and long period of hegemony allowed her memory to be preserved among all those peoples.
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@intellectualmagician1247 I personally think it is more that Europeans during colonization called everything African group differences a tribe and from that Africans call most of their group differences tribe. Like yeah, there are some African ethnic groups that are one and the same as their tribal groups like Borgu or Ogoni but Igbo, Akan and Kikuyu never operated as a single pre-state(or post-state) political body so shouldn't be called a tribe in any context. As by definition they aren't.
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@mariano98ify your reply got deleted. Try typing it again without word combinations deemed bad by YouTube.
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Danny Tallmadge yeah, I'm not really in the moo to continue this pissing match. Believe whatever makes whitties feel better.
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@AMR_k400 Aren't Agew a semitic people? And hadn't they been conquered by the Aksumites for sometime now?. Fine, outside of Gudit's Era I don't really know much on how Aksum treated their Jews only that their retain their plurality in Semien.
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@aradat9671 They don't use the name Gudit because only Habasha call her Gudit but they mention a Queen, that from the clues given in the story was around the same era as Gudit that created a matriarchy where women ruled over men and that was also a blood thirty warlord. That's similar enough to the Sidamo similar story of Gudit.
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3:27 the invention of machine guns also maybe even more important. I know rifling made guns more OP but some African states were already creating flint locks en mass and some precision locks. 16:00 I put low emphasis on material wealth. This would be an Africa with more stable states and a free interior for those that don't want the state life.
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Seems like this guy likes controversial topics for some reason.
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Not all those states were good but at least Nri and Aro would survive. Fuck Bini tho.
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