Youtube comments of Todd Webb (@toddwebb7521).

  1. Remember when History channel used to have war documentaries and not just pawn stars/ancient aliens? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
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  2. The sailing ships with a roof look like they would make a great pub in the Caribbean somewhere if they had been parked there.
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  3. Last time I was this early the Wright Brothers still made bicycles
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  4. Everything is going to be great after Steiner's big counterattack.
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  5. I'm pretty sure the only reason that ship wasn't sent home is that as a cargo ship it was probably carrying the spare binoculars
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  6. A relative that was one of Dönitz's secretaries had a similar opinion of Fegelein
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  7. Japanese fleet shows up Taffy 3: So you have chosen death.
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  8. Remember when History and Discovery had quality programs similar to this? Pepperidge Farm remembers
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  9. Stalin's actor that played him in a lot of propaganda films was several inches taller than him so anyone that thinks Stalin looked taller may be thinking of his propaganda double instead of himself. I corrected because I was off about height I thought I remembered actor being
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  10. Well of course if my destroyer sank a U boat it's the famous one with a bounty and not any other one.
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  11. There was an interview with one of the survivors who was on the bridge where allegedly one of the sailors before the fighting started said "captain don't let us go down while there's still torpedoes on board" Captain Evans definitely didn't let the ship go down with any torpedoes on board.
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  12. "Vanguard did have some issues with weight later in life" Me too HMS Vanguard, me too.
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  13. Who else watches these even though you don't play
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  14. How many knots would you like? All the knots.
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  15. You can't let him in here, he'll see everything. He'll see the big board.
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  16. Well if I'm in the French Admiral's position and sailing to the US is within the scope of my orders as well as the terms of the ultimatum yeah that's what is going to happen.
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  17. I'm tired of these mfing snakes on my mfing ship
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  18. I tend to pronounce stuff correct when speaking German but pronounce it more like other English speakers when speaking English because I don't want people looking at me like I have an arm growing out of my forehead.
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  19. He's literally the Basis for Blofeld per Ian Fleming
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  20. The Vickers 14" gun salesman got his paycheck from this class
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  21. Dad was a boiler operator. The coal dust and asbestos got him in the long run.
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  22. When you get to flex that you didn't need to google the Latin inscription
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  23. This video can't possibly be from the UK, The weather is entirely too nice.
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  24. Pretty sure due to Young Frankenstein Blücher is one of everyone's favorite ship names to mention
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  25. In the era of biplanes and no radar it actually wasn't unreasonable that a carrier could have ended up in a gunfight.
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  26. A multi parter? This should be longer than her maiden voyage
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  27. The Iowa class sometimes accuracy issues are definitely charges. A friend's dad who was on the New Jersey during Vietnam said that they had accuracy issues at first, the Navy called up a salty old WWII and Korea vet Master Chief Petty officer from the reserves into service to sort out the issues. He asked if they where using the powder scales to actually weigh thier powder charges, and of course they hadn't been. Apparently you need to actually weigh the powder charges and not trust the beurea of ordnance's markings.
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  28. One of my Grandpas was on the Missouri for the surrender. He was in the USAAF and was one of the first Americans on shore after the surrender because he was there to survey the damage to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. He had lots of horror show pics of the people dieing from radiation sickness and burns.
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  29. Knowing what Evans achieved with a destroyer what would have happened if he had been given command of an Iowa class battleship.
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  30. Plus Royal Oak was lost earlier. Also around the 42 "we are running low on ships" time frame Nelson was damaged in the Mediterranean and Ramilees was damaged in Madagascar and that's just what I personally know of there could even be more
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  31. Yeah if you spelled it like it's pronounced it would be more like pasifik oshean
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  32. Interesting video. I'm pretty sure there's no shortage of viewers in the US who would have been glad to volunteer to narrate the appropriate parts if you had asked.
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  33. Arnold's Austrian accent is pretty much as heavy in his German as it is in his English if you ever hear him speaking. Definitely easier to understand a German reporter interviewing him than him.
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  34. We all know the Pacific Squadron handily wins thanks to the spot on early warning from Kamchatka turning back the British torpedo boats.(obviously kidding)
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  35. Although the US 14" had rather pedestrian rate of fire and bursting charge I'd like to point out that they had mostly 12 and some 10 gun arrangements. Many of their competitors are rocking 6-8. 12 to a salvo definitely makes up for some rate and bursting charge if comparing to a 6 or 8 gun ship.
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  36. Well if they had gotten the fusion design triples may have been a thing in the RN on later designs. 9guns in 3 triples QEs sound rather fun
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  37. Close range in cannon era: sail me closer I wish to hit them with my sword
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  38. You need some thunder and horse whineys whenever you talk about the Blücher
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  39. Hard tack can be used to increase the thickness of the armor belt
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  40. We need this read in Futurama robot Nixon voice
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  41. Considering that Canaris was executed for his role in the July 20 plot didn't like the Nazis might be a bit of an understatement. Also he knew about the allies cracking Enigma pretty much from the moment they did it but disinformed the high command that Enigma was safe.
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  42. A drydock where both guides are about carriers, BK Jeong should like this week
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  43. Probably because I'm older than yourself (there was 2 Germanys when I was in school) but we definitely had chalkboards here in US. The dry erase whiteboards are an after my time thing.
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  44. Beatty/Seymour is definitely a top meme
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  45. Measured in hogsheads as it should be
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  46. If I was ever to accidentally stumble upon a wreck it would be somewhere warmer than the North sea. I'm definitely not intentionally getting in water that cold. Got any missing ones in the Caribbean?
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  47.  tokul76  if the Brits are escorting you I'm pretty sure that topping off the tanks in Gibraltar is an option
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  48. (in best Iraqi information minister voice) I triple guarantee it
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  49. While I agree with your keeping sponsorships topic relevant policy generally on typical videos, a non related sponsorship could be a funny add on to the April Fool's video. April Fool's brought to you by Raid Shadow Legends lol
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  50. Apparently there is a silver star winner Lt Commander Moore who died rescuing people below deck on the Indianapolis.
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  51. If they went with the 20 12 inch they should have renamed it Agincourt
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  52. Definitely wouldn't be tolerated if a German museum was ran similar
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  53. Pretty accurate description of colonial era Britain
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  54. Well I would be much more impressed it had been a more modern CVN
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  55. Looks like Drach is getting back from Aus without getting attacked by a drop bear
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  56. You already know that 1943 Nevada vs Tirpitz is going to be someone's ship vs ship question.
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  57. You gotta pump those up, those are rookie numbers
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  58. If anything deserved that name it was HMS Agincourt
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  59. 24-26 kt was probably fast battleship territory in the WWI to Washington treaty era but after the actual post treaty fast battleships showed up in the 30s 28 kt was pretty much minimum for that after KGV, NC, SD, littorio, Bismarck, Yamato, etc started showing up
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  60. Bringen Sie mir Fegelein, Fegelein, FEGELEIN!
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  61. Well with momentarily forgetting a word I have that problem more when speaking than when listening to another language. It's like I may have trouble remembering a word I've learned but don't use often but if someone else says the word I like instantly remember it.
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  62. Do you see torpedo boats
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  63. Now for the most painfully inefficient question for an Engineer, this vs H39
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  64. Vickers salesman: Would Sir like a 14" gun with that dreadnought. Chilean navy: Si
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  65. For a woman to have kids especially from multiple baby daddies is like the equivalent of a guy not having a job and living in his parent's basement, so if you are wondering why your prospects suck think about what you would think of a broke loser that lives in his parent's basement.
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  66. If at the low point of US air power when the US was having to bum Victorious off the Brits the Japanese had tried a surface fleet action how would that have gone.
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  67. Clearly Japanese torpedo boats off the coast of Denmark during the Russo-Japanese war as seen by Kamchatka is the weirdest
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  68. I still think Iron Duke is an excellent name for a big gun steel warship, also has a aimbot
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  69. Definitely like the high seas fleet battlecruisers a lot. Not sure if I have the same level of love for the slow battleships
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  70. The river gunboat HMS Peterel had a rather interesting last stand after the Japanese declared war on the Western powers and took Shanghai
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  71. Those clipper bows on the later standards that got refit definitely looked elegant
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  72. I guess torpedo rams become a thing if armor wins the guns vs armor race. Insert hms thunderchilde joke here
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  73. For a navy war movie Enemy Below is a good one about escorts hunting subs.
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  74. If Brazil reacted to the US predreadnought building program with a building race could the two of those fleets reasonably gotten big enough that the Royal Navy had to react to it in their building plans?
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  75. Well one of the arguments for"race is a construct" is that the different genetic groups don't necessarily accurately follow how people group each other based on appearance. South Asians and north Asians are lumped together because of skin color and eye shape but jaw and skull shape puts south Asians closer to black Africans and north Asians closer to white Europeans. Another good one is that west and east Africans aren't especially closely related although they are both lumped in as black. The big black dong stereotype is a west African trait. (Most Black people in America are west) East Africans actually have dong size more in line with Asians. If America was east of Africa instead of west the stereotype would be opposite.
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  76. Don't forget Oklahoma was also a vertical triple expansion engine ship
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  77. "hope to not be eaten by the wildlife" Drach said before getting attacked by a drop bear
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  78. "some sort of cybernetic sperm whale 🐋" Cypernetic Captain Ahab intensifies
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  79. You also forgot someone drowning Percival in a vat of tea as a way Singapore might have been held
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  80. Do I see torpedo boats
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  81. USN: Write that down
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  82. The closest thing to a post dreadnought predreadnought design is the Deutschland class panzerschiff. So I suspect if you had such a thing it would have triple turrets like Deutschland so it could have better 6 gun salvo fire, although with the calibers of the big battleships of the day instead of the small 11s and with obviously more armor.
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  83. A hit to the wine storage is a critical hit on a french ship
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  84. Haha decisive battle go boom 💥 brilliant line
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  85. Franz Von Werra attempted a similar escape but was caught before getting the plane started while in Britain then escaped from a camp in Canada and made it to then neutral US and back to Germany.
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  86. Exactly why countries too poor to afford modern tanks will take what ever WWII or early cold war hand me downs they can get even though they would stand zero chance against an Abrams or Armata
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  87. Arnold has such a thick Austrian accent that they don't even have him do his own voice in the German dub of his films
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  88. You failed to get adequate protection for the people's ship? Gulag awaits you.
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  89. Hoover brand vacuum cleaners are a thing in the US. We actually understand that particular slang, although referring to all vacuums regardless of brand as a hoover isn't the standard thing here.
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  90. Yeah, drach has a easy to understand voice and accent.
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  91. But the most important question about Fisher, Was he known to fish for freshly fished fresh fish for fish fry Friday?
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  92. I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah
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  93. Well Corium (the Latin word for leather) is ultimately the origin of the French word for leather, so it goes all the way back to Rome
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  94. Do you see torpedoboats?
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  95. It's not actually a ship, it's a pile of guns from the ocean floor to the surface
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  96. Drach contending that battleships are useful for something besides targets, BK Jeong is going to have an aneurysm
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  97. Something else to keep in mind for heavy vs belt thickness armour is that any time a belt or barbette is penetrated there's a non zero chance of a magazine explosion. Avoiding sudden ship existence failure is one of the reasons for going overboard on turret and/or barbette armour.
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  98. Last time I was this early they was still using those ships
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  99. Glad to hear that museum is back to being good
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  100. Since they have gone past the oxygen window I'm assuming they are dead until and unless we hear otherwise
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  101. Something something Putin. Something something meddling.
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  102. First die Glocke and now this, Has Mark Felton been watching Iron Sky or something?
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  103. IJN haha we sank your hornet USN we'll build another Hornet but bigger with blackjack and hookers
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  104.  @godlugner5327  I'm sure at some point before a gun was mounted someone said "fly me closer, I want to hit them with my sword"
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  105. The State of Tennessee seriously looked at getting USS Tennessee. The fact they would have had to cut down the superstructure in order to get it up the Mississippi river to Memphis is what put the expense out of their price range.
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  106. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_disaster well for some idea of the scale of ship of explosives disaster scale the ship in the Texas city disaster had 2,300 tones(yes that's 2.3 kilotons) of explosives. , So that is like small nuke territory
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  107. Well on Rodney vs the twins I'd definitely put money on Rodney because 16 inch guns will put holes in armour much further out than 11s and generous British bursting charges make a big boom any round they hit armoured area or not and the gigachad Captain Hamilton. But to play devil's advocate for a minute there's 18 guns vs 9 and the 11s have a higher rate of fire regardless of having 2 ships worth and you don't have to pierce the armour to take out fire control/range finders/radar etc so in a scenario where the twins win pretty much they blind Rodney and at that point it's an execution instead of a fight, not to mention Rodney specifically does NOT have an updated Renown/QE/Valiant/Warspite style fire control it's got a 1920s not that different than Hood setup.
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  108. Well with Italian fleet vs British one even ignoring the KGVs, Nelson, and Valiant the British have Rodney and Warspite, those two have enough plot armor to win by themselves
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  109. If the rn had the glut of 12" guns from the predreads and a shortage of hulls I'm assuming they would have to churn out some Agincourt style turret farms
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  110. If you HAD to be in the Kriegsmarine I'm going to say that a Schnellboot would be the way to go. An Unterseeboot is practically a suicide mission, there just wasn't enough of the heavy surface units to compete with the RN
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  111. I'm surprised Drach didn't wish the US viewers a happy treason day for tomorrow.
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  112. A very fitting choice for this week.
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  113. The fact that molotov said to delay 2nd front they need the supplies NOW indicates to me that they was in a bad way and prone to fall if things had gone even slightly different.
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  114. Even though the "average wage" is somewhere around 65-70ish thousand on paper if you don't include the top 5% making over 400k it drops down to 35-40ish k. So the average wage not counting the rich is like 10k below the poverty level of cheap states.
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  115. Like Dale Earnhardt and Pink Floyd their last big hit is the wall
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  116. Adding "invincible" to the title of something military related seems to be bad luck, see HMS Invincible at Jutland.
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  117. Well with habakkuk if you want to go to Japan via suez you are going through warm water all the way through the mediterranean, the red sea, and the indian ocean. If you try going around the Cape I'm not sure if a 6 knot ship can overcome the currents
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  118. Brussels gazette, the original fake news
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  119. On the topic of foreign document troves, there was a distant relative in Germany that was one of Adm Dönitz's secretaries that had like a spare bedroom full of naval documents that they would rather the allies not have at surrender. She's been dead about 15ish years now and I'm sure the docs are long since lost but if there was something like this channel 20 years ago I'd have tried steering you to her to hopefully have had them wind up in the hands of someone interested.
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  120. Drydocks where still in single digits
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  121. Who has a shorter life expectancy, a captain in Ultimate Admirals Dreadnoughts or a Redshirt from original 1960s Star Trek?
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  122. In Vietnam there was Vietnamese riverine boats taken down by USS New Jersey doing shore bombardment. Apparently 16" HE rounds cause sudden existence failure.
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  123. Hold the line, the Toto jokes are strong with this one.
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  124. Well if King hadn't wanted to keep the Brits out of his playground how does Samar go if there's potentially some of Britain's more expendable battleships there? I mean come on who doesn't want to try and plot out Warspite vs Yamato
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  125. A lot of the Forts had 10" disappearing mounts which had rather limited elevation and range in addition to 10" being pathetic against battleships. so Forts probably not doing so much... On the other hand once they landed as Admiral Yamamoto himself said there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass once they got here.
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  126. Something tells me even if Texas somehow missed by far enough to not get the sniper, sniper is going to decide that's not a good place to stay and go elsewhere
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  127. Drowning in mud... So are you going to be a French reenactor at Agincourt?
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  128. Well that would have been a terrifying number of subs
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  129. A lot of people seem to be assuming the US would be regulating this because the US was largely in charge of the search effort, however the MV Polar Prince is a Canadian registered vessel so US regulations would have meant dick in international waters only Canadian regulations, and honestly the way that company operated if the Canadians had regulations he would probably have used a vessel registered in Panama or Liberia or something instead.
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  130. My grandpa was there in the Navy.
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  131. As much flak as was over Germany idk how well a pressurized plane would have done
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  132. Wait till they hear about still live unexploded ordinance from WWI in France
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  133. Ausfahrt is definitely a running gag with military personnel. The people who have been stationed in Germany a while will tell the noobs about the town of Ausfahrt and how it has the best bars and the hottest women and such just to have them driving around lost taking every exit on the highway trying to get to Ausfahrt.
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  134. Torpedo boats, torpedo boats everywhere
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  135. I wish the internets and YouTube came around a few years earlier when there was a lot more vets around to get the stories first hand like this.
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  136. As long as Drach isn't burning himself out doing it I'm all for more content.
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  137. Not sure I'd want to take a modernized Mackensen against a KGV or Hood but I'd gladly take it against Renown/Repulse
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  138. Well if the Germans were allowed to keep Helgoland class there's a good chance the Deutschland class Panzersciffs would have had 12s and the Scharnhorsts would have had improved 12s similar to Alaska class. Also on the more speculative when the Germans considered going to bigger guns on the König class before determining they were too far along to go from 10 12s to 8 13.8s because the barbettes where already in place the ship builders did determine they could have went up to 320mm 12.6" guns with the shell system and barbettes made for the 12s. If they upgunned the Helgolands to those 320mm similar to what the Italians did with old 12" ships well the Helgolands may be a similar threat level to the upgraded WWI Italian ships and if the Germans where making 320 mm guns the Scharnhorsts could have wound up with improved 320mm guns which would put them on the same level of guns as the Dunkerque class but with the Scharnhorsts much better armour.
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  139. Happy Guy Fawkes night to Drach since that's apparently a thing over there
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  140. Too bad the mad lads using the carrier in a battle line didn't have something like the pre refit lexington with 8" guns
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  141. God bless you for such a long drydock.
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  142. Seeing as the h41 42cm guns could penetrate the armor of pretty much anything ever made it seems to me like maybe upgrading to 12 of those instead of 8 of the 20ish" guns would make a better h43 or h44 if they was in a position to actually make it.
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  143. When you get to the US you definitely need to try country ham. It's a salt and nitrate cured ham that doesn't have to be stored refrigerated.
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  144. On the "Is Hood a battle cruiser or fast battleship" question I think it's a fast battleship from the time it launches till the treaty battleships start coming out but it's a battle cruiser after that point.
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  145. Last time I was this early Warspite hadn't gotten her modernization yet
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  146. Well on a fairly famous role reversal the Luftwaffe Herman Göring panzer division was involved in the Sicilian campaign so yeah air force tanks. A couple of their tanks damaged a smaller allied ship (minesweeper if I remember correctly) and the USN replied with lots of 6" fire from a Brooklyn class. I'm going on memory but it was on the History channel Patton 360 episode about the Sicilian campaign.
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  147. Don't forget coal dust and coal smoke from the WWI and earlier coal burners they had served on
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  148. Probably how it was "allowed" to happen
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  149. Well if we get a time machine and do Jutland Im calling dibs on Schleswig-Holstein since it survives and also to make Drach have to say that ship's name.
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  150. That would have been interesting. My money would be on Iowa because 9 16" 50s, but tirpitz's 15s would have been capable of penetrating iowas belt at a reasonable battle range so when both can penetrate each other at a reasonable range anything is possible for an outcome.
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  151. One reason Bismarck ended up heavy is when it was a paper design before it was started or laid down it was going to actually be 35k tons standard displacement but with 350mm(13.8") guns when it looked like 14" was going to be in the treaty then when France and Italy announced 15" on Richlieu and LittorIo it got scaled up to 380mm(15") and ended up over on displacement because they scaled up an already 35k ship for bigger guns.
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  152. The turret farmers had a bumper crop this season
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  153. Ok now I'm picturing a destroyer with some giant tsar tank wheels after your comments about the soviet navy
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  154. This one shows the difference between even numbers (even if one side has overmatched ships) and having overwhelming numbers as both Iowas badly shot up and us cruisers slaughtered
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  155. It's amazing how much easier it is to understand the Germany German speakers in like Göbbels than it is to understand the bad mustache man's heavy Austrian accent.
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  156. Solid burn on the ink
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  157. Schlesen and Schleswig-Holstein mentioned together is a "she sells seashells by the seashore" level tongue twister
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  158. Do you see torpedo boats
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  159. Well Arizona did have a somewhat newer engine than the ship it had the machinery for the Colorado class Washington installed in a refit during the 30s
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  160. If the battleship producing countries stuck to the "main battle fleet does like 21-23 knots" paradigm and didn't make fast battleships how stupid of armor and guns could you have gotten in the 30s/40s if they were all in for guns and armor at the expense of speed?
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  161. Last time I was this early the Dutch where worried about the golden devil
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  162. The state of New York back when it was a colony was actually named after the Duke of York who was one of the patrons of the company aquiring that colony and not the City/County York, so USS New York and HMS Duke of York are technically ultimately named for the same thing although not identically named.
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  163. Do you see torpedo boats?
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  164. Most of the southern US coast is rather shallow which is why the major ports are relatively far between compared to the northeast coast or the west coast
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  165. Don't forget to visit your Bofours salesman to get like all the 40mm mounts
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  166. Posting cat pics on walls, I see things haven't changed much since ancient Egypt
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  167. Tis but a flesh wound, I've had worse.
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  168. The 8" gun cruiser carrier is definitely something everyone can agree is dumb. If an enemy cruiser squadron is attacking a cruiser battery slapped on a carrier isn't going to give it the upper hand, and it would be even less so if an enemy battleship was upon you.
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  169. Doth ye even lift brethren?
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  170. Landing gear attack is some MOH material if I've ever heard of it.
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  171. Well any of the 21ish knot battleships aren't going to be that useful DIRECTLY come WWII as they are too slow to go out commerce raiding and Germany doesn't have a big enough fleet for a stand up battle, so it's benefits would be more secondary keeping their shipyards and naval architects and engineers working during the interwar era. Also the German naval designers had determined when they was interested in up gunning the Königs but they were too far along to go to different barbettes to go up to 350mm Mackensen turrets that the German 305mm shell handling system was capable of being upgraded to 320 mm guns if they wanted to, but the Kaiser didn't want to make a new gun for one class of ship so that didn't happen.... If they still have their 305 mm ships but the allies say no new ships upgrading to 320 is a possibility for the 305s they already have and if they are already making 320s to upgun old 305 ships that means Scharnhorsts are probably getting 320s instead of historic 280s when those get made in the 1930s
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  172. Last time I was this early the Maine was still floating
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  173. Well the pants as floatation device is one taught in Boy Scouts. As far as the naval uniforms having bell bottoms it's so you can remove pants with shoes on
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  174. Best counter to a larger navy WWII era would be to have a larger Air Force, and let thier fleet of ships get the force Zed treatment
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  175. Last time I was this early Nevada was the only All or Nothing armor scheme battleship
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  176. Scaled down to the max displacement limit mini Montana with 4 triple 12s of the Alaska type that outpreform 14s seems like a possibility
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  177. 747 is an absolute unit
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  178. Unfortunately they are most likely sleeping with the fishes
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  179.  @OmikronZeta  definitely sounds like a good topic for one
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  180. I definitely think war movies have a lot to do with the stereotype. Other than the fact that soldiers shouting orders is inherently harsh sounding military terms tend to sound harsher than the bulk of the language and male speakers tend to sound harsher than female speakers like yourself.
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  181. Other than the racism it seems much better than historical reality.
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  182. Si
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  183. If they had done the coastal defense type with 15s they could have had 15s on the scharnhorsts and maybe had the bismarcks sooner
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  184. One of these months I'm going to have to ask about the guns at the old county courthouse which iirc are Dalgrens although I'd definitely want to confirm that before asking.
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  185. Well another big plus to the 15/42 is it's one of the lighter guns in it's size range. That's more weight you can put in armour or engines without sacrificing on the boom .
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  186. Well as for fairly thick teak on a dreadnought iirc the Dunkerques had teak of similar thickness to the armor belt
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  187. Well since we know you don't like the new midway movie what's your opinion on the 1970s version
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  188. So knowing that the German 8" Shells had comically light bursting charges for 8" guns, wonder if the 12 6" light cruiser Seydlitz type would have been more useful if actually made. Certainly they would have been more useful than a light carrier for planes never built or sold to an enemy you plan on fighting in a year.
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  189. I'm pretty sure"overgunned" is a term that doesn't exist in US English
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  190. US gun salesman: Would Sir like a 5 inch 38 with that?
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  191. Well I'm pretty sure the reason 21 knots was the speed of the US standards was because it was the speed of the last pre standards(New York class) so if a VQE put it up to 22 or 23 knots than presumably all the standards would be based on that speed.
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  192. 25 knot standards and triple turreted Queen Elizabeths.... If someone develops a time machine we need this fusion design timeline
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  193. Double entendre much?
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  194. Don't forget NOS stickers
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  195. On the distributed vs AoN armour debate I think in the 12 in gun era when a secondary plate of something like 7 or 8 inches could maybe stop an 11 or 12 in shell at long range maybe there was something to it but once people are rocking 14-18" guns where all a 7" plate is going to do is make sure it arms the fuse they are a liability
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  196. The 100 year secrecy stuff with Glorious leads me to suspect that people in high places in London are involved with orders that caused the situation (such as the Admiralty or PM) I'm pretty sure if the blame could be placed on a lowly Captain it'd be public by now.
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  197. Would sir like a 14" gun with that
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  198. Improving signals and codes where the Brits didn't know every move you make would be probably the best thing to do for the high seas fleet once you abuse your future knowledge too much to use it more
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  199. Since cheating on the treaty was rampant can cheating be a part of the competition? We thought about fairness and then decided against it.
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  200. I always have trouble getting the same level of excitement for Carriers as I do for conventional ships just because whether it's the hotness or a dumpster fire has more to do with it's aircraft load out than the ship itself
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  201. Definitely glad to see your presentation. Kind of surprised that a naval channel didn't have the coast guard auxiliary first but I'm sure it will be coming
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  202. I have to agree with HMS barham being a most haunting. There's just something about all those sailors making it out of the ship and on the hull before it explodes that is just gutrenching and makes it much harder to watch than if the same number had died of a magazine explosion had it occurred immediately instead of after they was abandoning ship
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  203. Well the German 12" had especially generous bursting charges for a 12". Like even slightly bigger than British and the British were known for having much more generous bursting charges than American or Japanese.
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  204.  @Michael_OBrian  converted into a spaceship and launched into space
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  205.  @speeddensity9543  I'm assuming Rodney's 16" guns, possibly KGV's 14".
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  206. Kongō has less armour than Queen Mary. I don't see anyone saying Queen Mary was a fast battleship and not a battle cruiser.
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  207. I read that in Billy Mayes voice
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  208. The East coast legs between stops like Boston to Philly Philly to Norfolk Norfolk to Wilmington Wilmington to Charleston and Charleston to Mobile are all such that you could do ports in back to back days if your driver has a different sleep schedule than the camera crew where you can be driving while the camera crew is sleeping. Mobile to San Diego is like 3 days of driving if you have one driver and 2 days if you drive around the clock with over half the trip in the deserts and mountains of AZ NM and TX west of San Antonio.
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  209. And Drach wanted to tell the story of a ship named USS England because of course he did
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  210. Last time I was this early to April Fool's a Vickers salesman was trying to sell me a 14" gun
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  211. If you knew that vanguard was going to be postwar when the slow poke Nelsons where retired make it take the Nelson triple 16 turrets
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  212. Hope to see some of you in new jersey... So some Philadelphia experiment shenanigans are involved
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  213. Well how well he would do with that might depend on whether you want a inland highland "Deliverance" hillbilly accent or the fancy upper class coastal "Gone With the Wind" accent. Considering that Vivian Leigh, Leslie Howard, and Olivia de Havilland were all Brits I'm pretty sure a Brit could easily pull that one off.
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  214. That bear seems to be seeing hefalumps and woozles
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  215. Clearly fell down some stairs
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  216. Mein Failüre idolized Mon Failúre
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  217. And this doesn't just apply to German it also applies to the other languages I know. I don't use Latin pronunciations of Latin loan words in English even though I know Latin. I also don't use really Spanish pronunciations while speaking English (mostly Mexican food items in that case) Haven't really ran into a case of Vietnamese words in an English conversation yet.
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  218.  @josephng8505  Idk exactly how prevalent it is in current generations but watch the Austrian art school reject that became leader of Germany give a speech and you will definitely hear the very rolled R frequently
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  219. If you have trouble with the back of the tongue French R you can always go Austrian and just roll your Rs
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  220. Could the story about the jelly doughnut possibly be propaganda by the DDR?
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  221. Just wait until Steiner's big counteroffensive
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  222. If a butterfly flaps it's wings and the theaters of WWII break out in opposite order, how different is a war where Japan attacks the US in September 1939 and Germany doesn't invade Poland until December 1941?
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  223.  @johngrimlock5727  well a 12 gun QE would be a fearsome opponent to be sure. Only downer I see is to have that armament you are either going to have to make it huge and expensive if you want to keep the speed or sacrifice speed if you don't want to make it huge and expensive. If the British had 5 12 15" QEs possibly with a bigger displacement than Hood I don't think 35k is going to be the treaty limit.
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  224. At the Battle of New Orleans in the war of 1812 cotton bales where able to stop British field artillery and the dismounted from a ship naval guns from the Pirate Jean Lefitte with grape shot and chain shot were able to do quite a number on the British infantry
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  225. How many inches of plot armour did it have
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  226. Well on the misattributing the Fuso and Kongo as being better than they are, when you do not know your enemy's capabilities in an area you have to assume they are equal to your own , so the RN had to assume the Japs had refit QE/Renown level fire control. With 12 14inch guns a Fuso would be a hard fight for a QE assuming equal fire control (which they didn't actually have) and with 8 14 inch guns the Kongo would probably be superior to renown if it had equal fire control.
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  227. Well on the topic of sinking battleships with shells look at how many hits from 16"/50s on the Iowas Nevada took when they where using her as a target vessel post war
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  228. While naming a ship after a defeat isn't typical if they did it would be extending a middle finger at the Brits for thier "all the 12" guns" ship having that name
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  229. If the last Imperial German pre dreadnaughts had been better and comparable to the French Danton class (turbine engines, 12 inch mains, 9.4" secondaries) would they have been any more useful in the interwar than the historical predreads.
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  230. Well he was having a good day when they was ordering the Fuso
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  231. At close range I don't care if you're in Yamato it's not going to end well
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  232. Well if you look up the numbers on the 16"/52 developed for the H39 it's pretty much a 16/50 with standard weight shells and the cross over point where the super heavy US has better penetration is in the lower 20,000s of yards like maybe 21 or 22k so basically at a closer range than that the standard weight is somewhat better beyond that super heavy is better... Of course there's not a lot of range between that crossover and the upper limit on where you can hit a moving target and it not be able to dodge infinitely
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  233. Remember unlike a video game it's not push Kidō Butai button, then fly my pretties, then enemy dies It took about an hour to launch a carrier strike assuming your planes are already fueled and armed and this is assuming the weather is appropriate for flying and you are facing a direction you can launch from relative to the wind.
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  234. Fa 330 kite gyro was definitely used by U boats
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  235. Idk but I'd love to see the Argentinians trying to bring General Belgrano in for a surface action with that.
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  236. Yay fun Friday
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  237. So if they had sent out Tirpitz with a green crew along with Bismarck and Prinz Eugen what would the British response be? I don't think they would be daft enough to only send out PoW and Hood in response to that
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  238. Yeah the limited range was definitely a factor in the disappearing mounts. One of the occasions in which a Japanese ship shelled the west coast it was too far out of range for return fire from 10" coastal batteries
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  239. Well my refit idea for one that wasn't was if the British had keept Tiger instead of iron duke as a training ship. If it's already dearmoured and got some of the guns removed it's a prime candidate for a carrier conversion.
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  240. Well if one of these got made I'm sure the Brits would have had to make something along the lines of a N3 as a response
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  241. I would assume because the Royal Navy was using inches and not mm at the era and they are the biggest navy of the era.
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  242. While in the various 1600s wars like English Civil war and the various Anglo-Dutch wars the colonies weren't very involved the colonies were fairly heavily involved in the French and Indian war/7 years war and many of the leaders of the continental navy during the Revolution were veterans of the French and Indian war. So you can probably argue the proto USN dates back to the French and Indian war while still British colonies, but I would definitely agree with Drach that you can't like claim it goes all the way back to Jamestown or some such.
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  243. Calibers in artillery terms is how many times the bore diameter the barrel length is.
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  244. Gun armed courageous vs königsburg vs tribal in rough seas
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  245. If the treaties hadn't prevented the building of fortifications the US had quite a few 12" gun ships both early dreadnoughts and predreads that could have been a source of 12" guns for essentially their value in scrap iron and the Brits also had a bunch of the same plus some 13.5" ships being taken to the breakers. And that's not even getting into smaller stuff like secondary batteries and pre WWI armoured and protected cruisers and the like. A 12" gun may not have really been a threat to most WWII capital ships but it would have been a threat to a Kongo
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  246. Or PoW basically being taken down by the single torp that took out it's propeller shaft and caused self destruction in Force Zed
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  247. No love for the 11" gun on Deutschland class for the axis heavy cruiser gun?
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  248. Well done on the excellent interview. It's a shame we couldn't have gotten more such ones while there was more of them around and in better health.
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  249. Well seeing how a 12" dreadnought would have been obselete by the time they ordered it probably for the best they didn't order it... Unless they decided to listen to the Vickers salesman and get 14" guns with that.
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  250. Good example of different levels of refit to similar ships Renown had rather advanced radar, Repulse had no radar until it was sent as part of force Zed and then had rather basic non gunnery radar. They are on completely different levels.
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  251. If only that was a thing and someone had a BB for it. I can picture Drach trying to organize a chanel group cruise to get enough people that the per person wasn't rediculous.
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  252.  @treeshakertucker5840  the Weimar Reichsmarine was making the best thing they could complying with the treaty. If it had been known that in just a couple of years the Nazi Kriegsmarine would completely disregard the treaty, I'm sure the Deutschland class' tonnage in scharnhorsts or Bismarks would have been a better investment.
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  253. I'm picturing Queen Fat Bottom Girls playing in the background as this conversation is going on.
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  254. I'm pretty sure the question was referring to intentionally engaging in surface combat not oh shit we're being shot at shoot back.
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  255. A nice Irish coffee (whiskey added for those who aren't aware of the meaning) and a cigar while sitting on the covered front porch on a room temperature morning and looking at the lake makes for a good morning drydock
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  256. Kind of a pity that Hood in particular was the British ship to be put down by Bismarck as it's a good looking ship as well as would have been a very good and useful one if it had gotten it's refit.
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  257. Kawachi vs Heligoland which one would win in a battle of the Hexagonal battleships
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  258. 5 vs 4 line of battle with Warspite and Rs vs Kongos sounds like a British victory, numbers and tech advantage plus warspite plot armour vs some warmed over WWI battle cruisers with no radar and less armour than Queen Mary.
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  259. The turrets with hats need to be on some french tumblehome hulls in order to make the ultimate predreadnought memeship.
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  260. For improbable fight as it worked out I'll go with Denmark straight. Prince of Wales and Hood should have either one by itself been a match for the Bismarck and Hood basically got one shoted and with it's turret jam issues Prince of Wales had to turn tail and leg it out of there.
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  261. Last time I was this early Nelson was still a Midshipman
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  262. Well St Brendan may well have but you need some archaeological evidence before it's going to be anything beyond a cool story bro to me
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  263. Didn't know Drach specialized in hotel guidebooks
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  264. Definitely hilarious when you understand the language.
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  265. I am shocked, shocked to find out that gambling is going on in here.
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  266. Sounds like a Dr Seuss character
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  267. And in other news Francisco Franco is still dead
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  268. The basis for Dr. Evil's Frau from Austin Powers?
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  269. A Titanic video, someone go and tell Celine Dion
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  270. Got off way easier than Lord Haw Haw, who wasn't even a citizen of the country that decided he was treasonous.
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  271. The US was perplexed by this as US soldiers preferred the M1 Garand over the M1 carbine, but apparently the explanation was that non infantry troops who typically had carbines would pretty much shit their pants and surrender the first time a MG 42 opened up in their direction and surrender with a full ammo load out. Infantry troops who typically had Garands would pretty much fight till dead or out of ammo. So pretty much M1 carbine ammo was easier for them to get. Insert M1 carbine never been fired and only dropped once joke here.
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  272. American citizen of Irish birth. Basically the extent of his "Englishness" is portraying himself as English on the radio program. He should have been found not guilty on the basis of not being English in any way, shape or form, although if he had been found not guilty by Britain he would almost certainly have been found guilty by the US, So I guess it's just a formality on who got to do it.
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  273. What Knockers
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  274. All the military suppliers will be able to do Scrooge McDuck money swims when the orders come in
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  275.  @adityac3239  I suppose it's because English has a bunch of Latin and French loan words like as in more than purely old English words, and it would just be problematic to switch back and forth between Latin pronunciation rules, French pronunciation rules, and actual English pronunciation rules constantly not to mention you would have to memorize whether every word was true English, Latin, or French if you did want to try and make that the standard rule in English.
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  276. As a deep voiced guy if I did a fake German speaker accent people would be likely to assume a Schwarzenegger impersonation whether I meant it as one or not.
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  277. Well as an American I'm definitely living up to the owning home stereotype as I not only own my house but also a rental property.
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  278. Like Pink Floyd her last big hit is the Wall
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  279. I'm sure everything turns out alright after the Christmas Ardennes counteroffensive.
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  280. Do we also get a Sinbad genie movie in this timeline
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  281. Pre smart phone dating app a woman only had access to the guys going to the same bar on the same night as her. Now she has access to every guy within driving distance.
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  282. If a Tillman was made how many bofors 40mm mounts could you stick on it?
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  283. There was something like 46 u boats unaccounted for just from the time of Dönitz ordering the surrender of all boats at sea on into after the war.
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  284. Well if the Phillipenes had been delayed a couple of months as a couple of admirals had suggested (but was decided against) the Dragoon bombardment forces coming to the Pacific from the bombardment of southern France could have also been around. There was Nevada, Texas, New York, and Arkansas as well as one of the New Mexico's that was being refit at the time (Idaho iirc) joined them after they got to the west coast of the US. They also had quite a few cruisers and destroyers with them in particular 8" heavy cruisers. There could definitely have been a different surigao and Samar if it had been later.
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  285. Just happened to have the belt armor around like the Japanese just happened to have 8" turrets to fit thier light cruisers
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  286. Well since you mentioned smaller guns and the KGV class I think the British did 2 things that made it viable that if either or both wasn't followed it could have turned out much worse. First is the big ole bursting charges. If they had much lighter like Japanese 14" charges they would have been much less effective Second was settling for OK speed and doubling down on the armour. If they was like NC class or less armour and went "I am speed " and tried to make them 30something knots they could have been considerably less effective
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  287. Well on the stockpiling of naval rifles front don't know of anyone stockpiling 12s for cruiser killers, but the British held on to like all the 13.5s from scrapped ships and ended up putting them in coastal batteries in the buildup to war. Presumably if they had more time and money for ship building they could have also used them to spam out modern fast hulls with Orion/original KGV/iron duke turrets in scaled down vanguards The US also had an assload of Lexington/1920s South Dakota 16"/50s that could presumably have been used to make a bunch of Iowas/Montanas if a WWI style dreadnought race broke out with Britain and/or Japan and the Beaord didn't mess things up.
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  288. I listen to YouTube videos in my company vehicle almost my entire work day.
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  289.  @brendonbewersdorf986  well in your alternate WNT you could have the terms about not selling old ships only apply to 13.4" and up ships since the 12" ships where basically obselete already at the treaty
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  290. I have no objection to the dry dock length creeping up but I understand why you want to try and get it back down.
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  291. Well iirc Drach said Mrs. Drach is South African originally and South Africa is one of the countries that Omicron originated so probably why the delay
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  292. While Linienschiff (equivalent of Ship of the line in English)is somewhat archaic it's still the name of the big bad ship of it's era so I don't feel like it would be that weird if the English speaking navies of the day had stuck with the name ship of the line after ships went to metal instead of coming up with battleship. Especially considering they still largely fought in line of battle till the Washington treaty cut fleet sizes down.
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  293. In a bombardment everything with a main gun is going to be firing. Even the 3" guns on a submarine chaser
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  294. It may have been possible to get 11" guns on a ship of Hipper's displacement (infact Deutschland doing it proves it can be done) but you wouldn't literally just put 11" turrets on the historical Hipper as Drach said. Also as to a Deutschland vs Hipper comparison remember that Hipper was a 32 knot or more ship and Deutschland was a 28ish knot ship. Look at a South Dakota vs Iowa to see how much extra machinery you need just to go faster without improving armament or armor
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  295. All the guns
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  296. Well on the Germany potentially having a fleet in the Washington treaty era, the Germans had determined that the 305 mm ships could be upgraded to a 320 mm and the shell handling system still handle it when they wanted to go bigger on the Königs but was too far along to change barbette's, so any of the still have Derrflinger/König scenarios they may have been upgraded if they couldn't be outright replaced for a long time because of the treaty
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  297.  William Mulvaney  yes Arizona was a Pennsylvania class.
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  298.  William Mulvaney  yeah it was too damaged to reuse in a reasonable time frame but if it had been less damaged that could have come into play. With the Colorado class machinery it was slightly faster than the other standards (like 22.5 knots instead of the standard 21) so it would have been able to keep up with a Fuso. With it ever so slightly faster than the other standards if they was going to send one standard with the newer fast battleships before they had enough oilers to send all the battleships I would think that Arizona if it hadn't been totaled would be the one.
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  299. How many inches of plot armour is the pendant worth?
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  300. Is it just me or does vanguard seem like an inefficient design. It's 51k tons and only has 8 15" guns. I guess they looked at the Bismarck and said let's do everything it does wrong except for the turtle back.
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  301. During the 1970s fuel crisis GM actually made a steam powered experimental concept car Chevelle
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  302. Well on the upgrading guns question probably some question as to whether you only consider a ship completed with original guns or designed for something else then changed before built... Obviously the NC class were designed for quad 14s they never got. The CO class were literally TN class except with twin 16s instead of triple 14s, but they were built with 16s they didn't pull 14s off of TN class to turn them into Colorado's the on paper Bismarck before it was ever actually started was going to be actually treaty compliant with 350 mm guns till Japan rejected the London treaty and the whole design got scaled up to 380 mm guns but it was literally still on paper not a ship In WWI the Germans considered a better armament for the König class, but they were too far into construction and had the barbettes in so 350mm mackensen guns with 1 less barbette wasn't an option
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  303. An R probably has guns and armour to hold thier own against most enemies, problem is you can't catch up with an enemy that doesn't want to fight you. Except for a US standard battleship pretty much anything else can just nope out of there if they don't like the match up.
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  304.  @brendonbewersdorf986  well it's odd in standard it's even in metric 35cm or 350mm. Iirc they built a few of the Mackensen guns but didn't get the ships finished for them. Iirc they where eventually mounted on railway carriages and used as heavy land artillery. I don't know exactly what the stats are but I'm sure other 14ish inch guns is a good baseline.
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  305. Carries torpedo boat Kamchatka intensifies
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  306. Where O'Bannon is carrying an Irish name there may have been political sensitivities about it throwing potatoes. I mean picture if a ship named after an African American was throwing watermelons.... yeah the public relations part of the government may not want that story making the rounds.
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  307. My rough idea for a troll battlecruiser... HMS Beatty, pretty much a 1930s KGV derivative with with the armour thinned down to Invincible levels and flash doors removed to improve reliability of the quad guns, and of course weight savings put into extra machinery for speed.
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  308. If Japanese attacked pearl harbor earlier in say 1939 how much difference would the earlier generation of aircraft make.
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  309. Ok hypothetical, could a Montana potentially have gotten up to Iowa speed if it had been built with a nuclear power plant. If a Montana was completed post war a BBN could have been a possibility.
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  310. Something I didn't think of when asking the question about post Dreadnought VTE ships is that in addition to the dreadnoughts I had specifically asked in the question there was also some semi dreadnoughts completed post Dreadnought with VTEs. Now obviously the Brits have enough dreadnoughts that the Lord Nelsons having a VQE or even turbines isn't going to do much in the grand scheme of things, even dreadnought herself wasn't in the grand fleet by Jutland but some of the smaller powers that didn't have as many dreadnoughts as the RN like the Austro-Hungarians or the Russians might have benefitted from the Radetsky or post Tsushima Borodino spinoffs being VQE or even turbine
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  311.  @josiahricafrente585  at mine there was Spanish French, German, Russian, and Latin as options. I ended up taking German and Latin. I definitely wasn't interested in learning another alphabet in order to learn Russian and I flat out cant make some of the odd specific to French vowel combo sounds so I wasn't learning French. Also my bestie is Mexican so I had a means of learning Spanish that wasn't school
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  312. Last time I was this early the Japanese were still sending torpedo boats at Kamchatka
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  313. How many tons would a h series scaled up to 8 schwerer Gustavs displace
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  314. When Massachusetts is doing Torch so are the New Yorks and Arkansas
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  315.  @piowrz4833  well washington with 14" guns kirishima is still stuffed as Drach says, but if Kirishima has say Nagato 16" guns South Dakota would probably have been lost If Scharnhorst and Gneisenau has something heavier than the 11s like if they had the planned twin 15s or if they had next German size up 13.8 mackensen guns in a triple instead of triple 11s renown is probably screwed If Scharnhorst had bigger guns Duke of York may not have won especially if it say duke of York had next size down guns in addition Scharnhorst having a size up
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  316. What do you expect when the idiots that are the voting public at large voted for the guy that literally ran on trying to get the federal government in on more masks and lockdowns just as vaccines where coming along.
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  317. Rodney has bigger guns and 1 more of them and better armor scheme Of course a non damaged Bismarck has the speed to Nope out of a fight and the ability to control the range if it does decide to fight.
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  318. Idk how it is today with all the millennials and the older zoomers at adult height but in the 90s when Gen X was the youngest generation at adult height I definitely got the impression that Brits are shorter than Americans. I'm only 6'2" and felt like a giant instead of slightly above average. Of course at the time a decent number of WWI generation was around and lots of WWII and Korea generations around and they may have suffered from poor nutrition during the wars and the depression
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  319.  @genericpersonx333  it may well have been screwed anyway but it still basically got oneshotted instead of a drawn out Yamato/Musashi style aircraft death by 1000 cuts
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  320. Well if it got to have a different ships lesser damage instead of it's own irreparable damage I'm sure the USN would have loved to have had Arizona instead of Pennsylvania or Nevada. Where Arizona had the machinery from the Colorado class USS Washington refit into it in the 30s it was fractionally faster than the other standards and had brand new machinery.
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  321. Well even though what ifs tend to be more interesting for the losers it looks like the Royal Navy also had fun what ifs. US is pretty much more Essex spam plus Montanas
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  322. If the US had managed to make a 3rd nc and replaced the Arkansas how much better off would the US have been with one more fast battleship in the early war
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  323. @John C there's also some pics of the other battleships there for the signing.
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  324. @John C I'd like to but I'll have to figure out which relative or relatives have possession of those photos.
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  325. I can't think of anything besides paper ships that never existed that would be armoured against 16" 45s at realistic battle ranges. Likewise by the time you would like looking at refitting those post war there's not going to be a Jutland style battle line.
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  326. Iron Duke is probably about the most appropriate battleship ever
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  327. How many inches of plot armour does Warspite have?
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  328. Last time I was this early there was still monitors in the reserve fleet
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  329. Dogs reaction to humans being home because of Quarantine: "My people love me so much they quit work to be with me. Cats reaction: your boss finally realized what a loser you are and fired you
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  330. Well another refit effect of pearl harbor is definitely the bulges because the TN and CO classes had a bit of extra machinery space where they were fitted for but not with compared to PA and NM classes. If they hadn't received the super duper ultra mega bulges they could potentially gotten up to Queen Elizabeth type speeds with a 1930s engine refit.
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  331. How about something on the Johnsonville campaign during the US civil war in which horse cavalry under the command of Nathan Bedford Forrest beat a Union Naval force.
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  332. Well with the siege of Baltimore the land forces defending the city beat the British force that had previously sacked Washington DC when they tried marching north for Baltimore so for the British naval bombardment to have successfully done it's thing the British land forces would need to steam roll the land defenses and march into the city. On the why was this or that city or state the class lead of a cruiser or battleship class if there's a nonsensical one that doesn't seem to fit the list order of this is the longest since they had one and should be next there could be political shenanigans where a congressman or Senator on an important naval budget committee happens to be from the state or city that is getting it's new ship sooner than it should just on list order.
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  333. One of the civilian use warships was John Wayne bought a WWII minelayer for a yacht
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  334. @ibbiplayz 32 the soviets didn't have carriers and the Ganguts aren't going to take on Tirpitz and win so no.
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  335. Love this alt hist, would also be interesting to see alt hist if Halsey had detached force 38 as discussed but not implemented.
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  336. Operation Torch Massachusetts with its dud problems, green crew and early war radar vs Denmark Straight HMS Prince of Wales with its green crew early war radar and gun jam problems at Denmark Straight weather conditions and range
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  337.  @MarcStjames-rq1dm  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uZnnj3J4Lw8 tallboy explosion
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  338. Well if they had the stuff to do a 14 inch ship immediately it would have basically been new York class a year early not the historic Wyoming with 14 inch turrets
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  339. As cool as this was it really would be going up to 11 if we had that colab.
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  340. If battleships had been abandoned as soon as carriers became a thing carriers probably wouldn't have been a thing because aircraft had trouble hitting destroyers and cruisers and cruisers and destroyers we're faster than carriers where a carrier couldn't run away from them. A carrier would be swarmed by cruisers and destroyers if it didn't have battleship escort.
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  341. Which is the worst dreadnought, Espana, Nassau, or South Carolina
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  342. Last time I was this early North Carolina was still sorting out the propeller issues
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  343. As a frequent listener the 1st and second generation dreadnought and super dreadnought description for those who haven't heard Drach's explanation before. 1st gen dreadnought- 8 gun broadside of 11-12 inch guns. They may have more than 8 guns but inefficient Hexagonal layout or wing turrets where they can't fire them all on the same side Examples Dreadnought, Nassau, Heligoland, South Carolina 2nd generation dreadnought- still 11 or 12 inch guns but a 10 or more gun broadside because of either centerline guns or cross deck layouts Examples include Delaware, Florida, Wyoming, Kaiser, König, Tegethoff, Gangut, Agincourt 1st gen super dreadnoughts had 10 or less 14ish inch guns broadside Examples include all the 13.5 inch British ships, the New York, the Nevada, Bretagne Second generation Super dreadnoughts had either 12 14 inch or 8 15+ inch guns Examples include the standards from Pennsylvania on, Queen Elizibeth, R, Bayern, Fuso
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  344. A video mentioning Kamchatka and the Japanese... do you see torpedo boats
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  345. The stuff that had limited elevation on the guns either period or till refits are the ones Drach seemed to indicate Bismarck could maybe have taken on 2v1. So in US that would be Pre TN standards pre refit and pre standards In British service Rs, unrefit QEs, and Repulse(although Repulse could probably close the range)
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  346. I'm not going to complain about an extra long drydock. As long as Drach enjoys making them and isn't burning himself out to do it go ahead and make it as long as you wish.
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  347. Speed takes a lot of weight, the Iowa's are 57,000 tons and no better armoured and basically the same armament as a sodak just so it can go 5 knots faster. So at 28 knots maybe at 30+ definitely lies
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  348.  @bkjeong4302  well 3 quads is probably what you'd have to do if you was using the historical Yamato hull. Also if you decided you wanted 12 16s instead of 9 18s at the design phase it may have had a different hull than historical.
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  349.  @cobbleturd6978  you generally needed a 1.5-2" increase for the upsides to be worth the downsides of going up so it wouldn't have made sense for someone making 16" to make a 16.5" or 17" If you had 15" as your previous generation a 16.5" or 17" could make sense. the British looked at 16.5" in some pre Washington treaty paper designs and so did the Kaiserlich Marine with the L20 EA and the KriegsMarine also looked at it for H41
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  350. Something that could throw a wrench in the works using absolute maximum range would be if you included the shore battery version of the old German 12" that had a 50 degree maximum elevation. I'm pretty sure that would completely crash the range numbers compared to all the other pre 1930 guns
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  351. So was the SS President Harrison named after Benjamin Harrison or William Henry Harrison?
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  352. Well with the UK and Germany unable to make foreign orders and someone not wanting to use the US if the other 2 South American care using them the only other dreadnought making country I can think of without an enemy at the gates is Japan.
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  353. Last time I was this late the Brits hadn't found out about the sunk ship base in Gibraltar
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  354. In Soviet Russia snoot boop you
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  355. Just because you have stuff that's newer and higher capacity doesn't mean it won't still kill you just as dead as it would in 1945
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  356. Someone been watching too much Iron Sky
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  357. Hopefully Stalin was as frustrated at the search as Hitler is at trying to find Berlin in HRP parodies.
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  358. Mikheil Gelovani is the name of the actor who played Stalin in propaganda films. Stalin was something like 5'5-5'6" and the double was like 5'8". Also playing Stalin may well have cost him his life because just 3 years after Stalin died so did the actor and right around the time the actor died Nikita Khrushchev had a most of the Stalin films banned... So it's not unreasonable to think Khruschev had him wacked by the NKVD
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  359. Just looked him up apparently I was wrong about him being as tall as I thought but he was still distinctly taller than actual Stalin. It had been a number of years since I seen a documentary on it.
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  360. Well if he wasted away from cancer I hope he did escape to South America. The whole cancer thing couldn't have happened to a more deserving guy.
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  361. YouTube pull it down for mentioning the Ukrainian Nazis?
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  362. Can't wait to see HRP do a parody about Dolfy playing cowboy
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  363.  @MrSloika  récolte de fer
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  364. Dr Skeletor was Harvey Weinstein before Harvey Weinstein was Harvey Weinstein
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  365. Haven't any of you seen red dwarf? He kills himself.
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  366. Reminds me of Alabama's state motto Alabama, at least we ain't Mississippi.
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  367. Chuck Norris once visited the Virgin Islands, they are now just called the islands
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  368. Well the "someone who technically speaks a language at a fairly high level but has like the worst accent imaginable" is my GF at Spanish. She like minored in Spanish in college so knows it fairly well but has about as bad of a accent as Peggy Hill in King of the Hill.
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  369. Firstly I'd say you definitely sound fluent even if your self confidence doesn't let you believe it. Secondly on the Squirrel being problematic I think it's the back of the tounge French R that makes it hard to pronounce for all French and many Germans from the parts that use that. After the first time I seen a video of non English speakers having trouble with squirrel I as a native English speaker with no trouble pronouncing it regularly attempted it using the French/German R sound and it's like impossible using that R even though it's easy with regular English R.
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  370. As soon as I seen this video I thought of the European see and say from family guy
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  371. She admitted to being a jelly doughnut
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  372. Well an English nickname for a tangled up cable or rope or something is a bird's nest
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  373. Now what will really blow your mind is how similar post fall of France pre US entry British propaganda is from the time frame that if Britain was attached to the mainland and not an island it would have fallen. There's a definite feel to we are loosing badly but trying to make everything look good propaganda. I don't know French or Russian so I can't comment for sure on either of those but I'd imagine just before the fall of France is similar and before the Winter set in Russian probably is too.
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  374. Little snoot needs booped
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  375. In addition to the what if Teddy won 12 and what if Taft won 12 there's also yet a 3rd possibility for no Wilson, What if William Jennings Bryan won in 08 and got reelected in 12
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  376. As someone well into my 40s I'm probably not getting drafted unless someone is trying to invade the continental United States
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  377. Building clocks in the early 1700s and making music in the 1960s
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  378. Well if Drach has Spanish version of the Paraguay-Brazil war video I'm going to have to watch it in that first to see how much of it I can understand before watching the English version.
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  379.  @sarjim4381  iirc it's as the bird flies rather than driving, so I guess that is assuming you don't have to go around lake Erie
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  380. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9-r-5kB1Sz0
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  381. Mikasa is definitely not in it's namesake
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  382. The stronger Dutch could have made all kinds of butterflies in WWI. If the Dutch had a bigger overseas empire with more oil and rubber and such they could have traded via thier land border with Germany and if the British tried using the Royal Navy against neutral Holland who hasn't invaded Belgium or France or anything you are definitely bringing historically neutral Holland into the war as well as bringing the possibility of the US being upset by the British aggression against neutral Holland and possibly either not trading with them or even joining the central powers.
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  383. The only reason I could see for Britain to try not to admit to county being "fit for but not with" during the treaty era was to try and discourage others with the same idea from doing it. If you want to fit for but not with something to make treaty weight you are technically correct, the best kind of correct.
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  384.  @stevevalley7835  yes if you didn't need to be efficient make a ship with twins on barbettes big enough for triples and conveniently have triples that fit your ship in a warehouse somewhere for when treaty goes away.
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  385.  @stevevalley7835  well the obvious thing there would be basically design the ship for one more turret than it's going to carry and have nothing especially hard to remove like thick armour or major structural members where the not installed turret goes where you can basically cut holes in the decks and crane on the 5th twin 16 or 4th triple 15 barbette and turret as soon as you decide the treaty is over.
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  386. Well with US coal other than the US being huge it also had various overseas territories and bases in places like Alaska, Hawaii, Guam, The Phillipines, Puerto Rico, the US Virgin Islands, and Cuba so all areas may not have had equally the best at all times.
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  387. Some Wednesday rum ration to go with the morning coffee
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  388. Well the only way I see a WWII with the US not involved in Europe is if the Brits dropped out and went for peace after the fall of France, in that scenario the Brits wouldn't be fighting in Europe either. It would just be Germany vs USSR
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  389. While the carrier strike was the correct decision, a bb engagement would have been more fun to see
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  390.  @lukedogwalker  interesting idea, I have a hard time seeing anyone agreeing to holding on to predreadnoughts when they know dreadnoughts are on the way.
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  391.  @stevevalley7835  yeah but everyone else that didn't have a glut of 13.5" ships to sell would never have agreed to a treaty where Britain could have sold all it's 13.5" ships to it's colonial holdings and close allies for 2 quid and a cup of tea each.
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  392.  @brendonbewersdorf986  treaty forbade it. I'm sure some of the countries that had navies would have loved to bought WWI surplus if the treaty allowed it.
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  393.  @mikefloyd6732  if carriers didn't work for some reason (maybe aircraft development lags behind historical timeline) I'm sure BBs would be a thing till either aircraft or missiles caught up. I don't think you would still have them today because even if aircraft never caught up missiles are still a thing.
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  394. If the RN had made the fusion design and had a 25 knot battle line from before the US started it's standard classes do you think the standards would have still been 21 knots
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  395.  @johngrimlock5727  well if you went down to 14" you would probably be easier looking at hot much extra length and power to get a US standard up to QE speed since that's essentially what you are doing.
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  396. Especially in this glass cannon class
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  397.  @0Fingolfin0  it generally means that at some realistic range it will reject it's own caliber of shells (typically something in the upper teens or lower 20s of thousands of yards) if you get close enough like 12-13k yards you start getting to where pretty much anything battleship grade will penetrate and when you get down to like single digits thousand yards you start getting to where heavy cruiser 8" can potentially penetrate.
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  398. A bit of a butterfly if it Phillipenes waited until December, in late November the group that had earlier been doing Dragoon in France came to the Pacific. So there was quite a few cruisers and several more old battleships that would have been available if they had waited and possibly had battleship forces in both locations. Iirc the dragoon force was the New Yorks, Arkansas,Nevada, and one of the new Mexicos.
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  399. If the standards had been refit before the big ultra mega jumbo torpedo bulges they got post pearl harbor the Big 5 (TN and CO classes) had the spare machinery space to get up around QE speed (23-25ish knot) with their pre ultra mega bulge hull form. Some QE speed standards would be as fast or faster than Fuso/Ise which would make the Fuso/Ise more useless than historic. Even Nagato would be questionable for having enough speed advantage to control the range and angles. This could result in some interesting butterflies if the US decided a 23-25 knot standard was fast enough to use in early war 1942.
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  400.  @fizzyb00t  I don't think the Germans would have done quad 11s just because they would have had inferior penetration to the eventually planned 15s and why spend that much money and man hours on the planned temporary 11s to have 12 on each ship. That being said if we just assume I'm wrong and they do it anyway a 12 11s ship would be even more effective against cruisers and lighter than the historical 9 11s ships and also in a somewhat better position against Renown and Repulse which had thin enough armor for it to beat and with 12 guns quantity has it's own quality
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  401. Last time I was this early they was still using them
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  402.  @090giver090  I see what you did there
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  403. @Bk Jeong not to mention having no bigger of a bursting charge on that heavy of a shell
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  404. If the greeks had gotten russia to sell them this ship as salamis what do you think the Turks would have bought in response.
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  405. 16 13.4" guns, I'm pretty sure that's French for "Go away or else I will have to taunt you a second time"
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  406.  @s.31.l50  if your likely opponent has thin enough armor for the smaller guns to penetrate you can potentially have more explosive weight per broadside with larger number of guns, but larger caliber can penetrate more armor.
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  407. Well on the question about such and such getting a MoH for thier actions as compared to other people who may have had lesser big time medals the relative rank and political clout of your superiors sending your commendation up the chain seems to have a lot to do with that.
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  408.  @mattblom3990  iirc it was like 3 or 4 or something as the current drydock when I found it.
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  409. Actually zed would make more sense for the name of the German plan in English since tsett is obviously related to zed linguistically
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  410. Can someone with UAD put an American style cage mast on a tumblehome French style hull to see how bad it is?
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  411. Now how much better could they have been if the Japanese had wanted them slightly enlarged and with the new 15' 42 that was being put on the Queen Elizabeths at the same time.
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  412. That may not be a question of what they beat since they are likely to decline a fight as much as how do the British have to respond to them. If you need to put 2 Rs in a convoy they don't have that many old RS. Also a pair of twin 15 Scharnhorsts would be a much bigger threat to a Nelrod than a single Bismarck as with 2 of them and them having a speed advantage one of them could easily get on it's tail were it can't return fire and have gunnery practice conditions.
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  413. One big what if about Tegethof is that with it's triple 12s if it had remained in service with someone it could theoretically have been upgunned to twin 14ish guns
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  414. Last time I was this early she was still laying that cable
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  415. Last time I was this early Bismarck was a Kanzler and not a ship.
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  416. Or temporarily Neutral US and back in the war after pearl harbor.
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  417. On the capital punishment thing there are countries that have done away with it for general peacetime use that still theoretically reserve the right to wartime use for treason, dissertation, and war crimes/crimes against humanity. Quite a few EU countries that no longer allow it had it for war crimes and such up until the EU started. Quite a few South American countries that haven't had general use of it since independence from Spain still reserve the right for wartime.
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  418.  @bkjeong4302  I'm not saying this would be optimal, but if war hadn't started for a few more years with the same tensions that it was obvious a war was coming they would have been a building, and without a war going on it would have been a couple of more years before they got to see what carriers are doing.
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  419. Well while we are on ridiculous designs this vs h44
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  420. It appears that the areas that prefer the pronunciation you use prefer the Aias spelling. The areas that prefer the spelling used use the other pronunciation.
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  421. BeOrd it's inconceivable IJN I don't think that word means what you think
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  422. The torps that explode on deck are most dishonorable
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  423. Don't think I want to google that.
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  424. So which is Drach's preference for London-ish airport Heathrow or Gatwick?
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  425. Well with wood there are potential other factors than the easily measured hardness/strength type stuff. For example Red Oak is a good sturdy hardwood that makes good building timber and furniture but it's too porous for making barrels or ship hull planking
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  426.  @mbryson2899  yes you can deter an enemy as intended in the convoy example there, but you can't sink them when they have the option to nope out of a bad match
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  427. Well if TN had aqquired it the Mississippi river is freshwater so it wouldn't have had the degree of rust that a ship in salt or brackish water would have.
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  428. I definitely plan on trying to meet up with Drach at one of the southeastern ones. Probably Mobile since it's definitely the closest BB to my location by a fair margin. Wilmington and Norfolk are definitely quite a bit further from my area in east TN.
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  429. We know that you generally rate the South Dakota class much better than the Bismarck in it's mature working correctly state, but what about very early war South Dakotas like when South Dakota had it's electric failure against Kirishima or Massachusetts having dud problems against Jean Bart. How would Tirpitz or a Survived somehow Bismarck do against a teething trouble era South Dakota?
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  430.  @brendonbewersdorf986  iirc when the Germans where in early design phase for Bismarck class and it looked like the 14" 2nd London treaty was going to be a thing they were designing a 35 cm gun for it but that treaty collapsed before it was started. Also they was planning on using the 15"/ 38cm barbette diameter of turret so they could switch to 38cm on later ships if the treaty held till they started making ships but collapsed before through.
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  431.  @brendonbewersdorf986  well after the barbettes are in place you pretty much got what you got it'd be about easier to build a new ship from scratch than to modify the barbette diameter after it's already made so modifying a Derrflinger to 13.8" 35cm Mackensen guns or Sticking Mackensen guns on an already built Scharnhorst is pretty much a no. Now if you found a warehouse full of Mackensen 13.8" guns before Scharnhorst was laid down with barbettes for 11s just tweak your design for that diameter of barbette
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  432.  @brendonbewersdorf986  well if the Germans where allowed to keep a 12" ship of some manner when time for the Scharnhorsts comes around instead of an improved 11" you get at least an improved 12". Also when the Germans were building the König class but the barbette's where already in place so going to fewer bigger turrets wasn't an option the builders suggested that they could have went up to a 32 cm (12.6") gun by just changing the barrel the lift system was already big enough in tolerance. If you upgraded from the 12" to 12.6" on the Derrflinger and the Scharnhorsts got built with some manner of improved 12.6" that's quite a serious threat. With a 32cm guns the Derrflinger and the Scharnhorsts would have had comparable guns to Dunkerques while still having better armor and honestly I'm not sure that the 6 15" on Renown/Repulse are at an advantage against 8/9 12.6" even though it was at an advantage against 9 11"
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  433. If the US had managed to replace the Arkansas with either a Colorado in the 20s or a North Carolina in the 30s during the treaty era how much more useful would it have been than the 12" armed Arkansas.
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  434. Senator Tillman intensifies
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  435. Last time I was this late to a discussion about ship stability Vasa was still upright
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  436.  @jakemillar649  well since you're not handwaving logistics it would be untouchable till it started running out of missles and the like.
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  437. What Knockers
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  438. Well in a Hipper vs Deutschland remember that the Deutschland also has a 150mm secondary battery that it can fire between main gun salvos.
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  439. Iirc the heaviest road mobile artillery the US had was 10 inch and those where ex armored cruiser guns
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  440. The one design flaw that has always made me dislike the KGV is where the second front turret is a twin there's no real way to up gun it after the treaty falls apart. If it had been a 3rd quad or even a triple they could have potentially went up to 15 or 16 inch guns either in triples(if 3rd quad) or a 3-2-3 if the second front turret was a triple instead of a twin.
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  441.  @WALTERBROADDUS  nuke ships came into service in the 50s and the US didn't scrap the uncompleted Iowas until the 60s, so if they had been incomplete Montanas instead it's squarely in the realm of reasonable possibility.
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  442.  @rambling_reiver  well the biggest war between industrial countries during the Ironclad era was the Franco-Prussian war so maybe if 3rd parties decided to get involved and turn it into a world war... A big war that could have happened but didn't was the Germans were interested in ahem "aquiring" some of the overseas possessions the US aquired in the Spanish-American war so if Germany had went through with it a circa 1898 Germany vs US war was a possibility.
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  443. Well on the 3inch it's pretty well too small for surface action, after the war started the US started removing the 3 inch dual purpose mounts from Submarine chasers and mine sweepers and replacing them with more Bofours 40mm mounts
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  444.  @bkjeong4302  well a carrier without adequate escort was going to join the HMS Glorious/ USS Gambier bay club
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  445.  @crimist6873  by the time they dropped out they was building Yamato
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  446. You didn't say please
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  447. So if the USN negotiated I'm the WNT to keep Washington but let Japan and Britain get a 3rd Nelson and a 3rd Nagato think it would have helped or hurt the US in WWII
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  448. Since the Scharnhorsts didn't seem to be quite as inefficient as the Bismarck do you think Bismarck would have been better if it was built as an update on the Mackensen/Ersatz York lineage instead of an update on the Bayern
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  449. A hand cranked Gatling isn't considered a mg, the second you put a motor on it, it becomes one and is big time illegal.
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  450. Well on a mid 30s pre war hood refit it's probably more plausible than you think because the one R class that got a partial modernization Royal Oak got it's work because it was damaged by an air raid during a Spanish Civil War neutrality patrol, so if a butterfly flaps it's wings and the Admiralty had Hood doing Spanish Neutrality patrol instead of Royal Oak a bomb damaged Hood presumably gets Royal Oaks time in drydock for an upgrade
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  451. Well one word whisker I've noticed is Drach seems to have trouble with ei and ie not following a standard pattern like English. It's very important to get it correct as getting it backwards can literally be an entirely different word.
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  452.  @josiahricafrente585  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C77anb2DJGk here is a Spanish,a Portuguese, and an Italian speaker speaking with a Latin speaker. There's definitely some basic comminalities
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  453.  @josiahricafrente585  I may give it a listen. Also I might look up if ScorpioMartianus has done it before I even bother trying to translate as that guy is well beyond my ability he's like full on fluent
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  454.  @josiahricafrente585  well I know Mondley has Latin as an option, I think Duolingo and Babel may as well. Also youtuber ScorpioMartianus https://m.youtube.com/user/ScorpioMartianus has some interesting Latin content
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  455.  @josiahricafrente585  Latin probably helps you more with it's "child" languages like Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, and Romanian than it's "child" languages help you with Latin itself When a "child" language adopts a new word that strays from the original Latin the original word that is basically the Latin word with Spanish (or which ever Latin "child" language you speak) endings is still technically a word even if it would be the equivalent of someone using like Shakespearean English instead of normal modern so the word you may know because of Latin is a word even if it's an odd old timey one. The "child" language words that have strayed away from the original Latin don't have any meaning in Latin.
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  456. No warhammer here, just took Latin as one of my foreign languages in highschool.
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  457. I'm sure the USN would have sent an Essex or two more than got sent after Yamato
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  458. Well on stuff made for upgrading the Colorado class twin 16 turrets just happened to be the same diameter as 14" triple standard turrets, so in theory if the wheels fell off the treaties in the 20s or early 30s when the speed of the Standards wasn't such a problem the US could have Coloradoed the 12 14" gun standards
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  459. Indeed seems like a good idea for users to offer the invite in the case he may be interested. Since you seem to be the first with the idea I definitely feel like you should have dibs on this year if he's interested.
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  460.  @RedXlV  well they were fine with 28 knots for a heavily armoured KGV with 10 14" guns. For an ok armoured ship with 12" guns they may have wanted 30+ knots so they could decline an unfavorable fight and not have the Deutschland class problem
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  461. If you decided to do a 12" undersize second class battleship while the treaty was a thing you would definitely want to do triples or quads were you could potentially upgrade to twin or triple 14s if the treaty fell apart. I'd imagine an undersize fast battleship with 6 modern KGV 14" guns and decent armour would be at least as useful as renown with it's 6 15" and less armour.
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  462. Firstly I do consider an Iowa a battle cruiser even though the USN called it a battleship because it's guns just completely outclass it's armour. Hood's armour is pretty well in line with it's guns which would make it a battleship in theory, but by WWII the high velocity 15s and 16s out there probably made it a battle cruiser relative to newer 15 and 16 inch armed stuff.
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  463. But the real question is whether the Brits are going to make handegg jokes
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  464.  @stevevalley7835  and if the french had a couple of mackensens when they started building capital ships again in the 30s instead of making the thin armor 13" gun Dunkerques they could have skipped straight to the Richelieus or carriers since they would already have a couple of fast battlecruisers.
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  465.  @stevevalley7835  that would be interesting because the french 13.4" guns are even the right size to do that
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  466. But how big was its Marmite storage?
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  467. Well the Emus did win the Emu war
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  468. Well if you where able to hand wave them through Gibraltar
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  469. I'm assuming 190s could have handled it as they was developing an extended wing torpedo bomber version of the 190 when they abandoned the whole carrier idea
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  470. Although I'm not usually for making a battleship over a carrier, seeing how the Germans never bothered making aircraft for it or enough escorts for it they would probably have been better off finishing one of the H 39s over this.
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  471. A war I'm quite familiar with the land aspects of but am not sure if there was a Naval aspect to is the Franco-Prussian war. Was there any naval combat worth mentioning? If so this is one of the few wars I can think of in the Ironclad era after the US Civil war and before the predreadnoughts.
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  472. Since Arkansas was on convoy duty while Germany had surface raiders one has to ask how a Arkansas vs Scharnhorst would have went
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  473. As many museum ships as the US has I've always found it ironic that none of them are standards.
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  474. One of the more famous instances of Naval Artillery being used on land was at the Battle of New Orleans in the war of 1812.
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  475. As far as the US getting some High Seas fleet battle cruisers I'd think a incomplete Mackensen or Ersatz Yorck that could be equipped with US machinery and US guns would be more interesting than a complete 11 or 12 inch bc with German guns and machinery. 14"/50s like on the later standards on a mackensen would definitely be more than a match for a Kongo
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  476. Nothing says go away or else I shall taunt you a second time quite like a quad
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  477. Also on the Iowa efficiency discussion don't forget the Iowas had thicker turret faces than their main belt. I'm sure if they had main belt thickness only turrets they would have been significantly lighter
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  478.  @bkjeong4302  well the main difference in a late WWI To signing of Washington treaty ship and a WWII era ship of the same guns and similarish speed is the amount of deck armor. If you compare say Ersatz Yorck to Bismarck or HMS Hood to HMS Vanguard you will see more similarities than differences Hood had an inclined 12" belt similar to a South Dakota or Iowa and theoretically better than Vanguards slightly thicker slab sided belt at longer ranges. They had similar speed. Likewise Bismarck only had a 13" belt so it's not like it was super well armoured compared to Ersatz Yorck.
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  479.  @bkjeong4302  literally as made or with updated fire control etc.?
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  480. BK Jeong has the short version of what I was saying
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  481.  @Ent1610  well I'm sure for such a sell at any price to happen the Germans would have to offer something that the Japanese wanted(maybe Graf Zeppelin so the Kidō Butai could have another carrier) in addition to whatever money. Also it would definitely have to happen before 12/7 otherwise it gets sunk by Force H somewhere near Gibraltar on its way there if they try it after war were declared.
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  482. For it's "take on 2 conventional battleships" roll would the Yamatos have been better off with Montana's armament of 12 16s where you could have a 4 gun salvo minimum on both ends? Also do you think 4 triples Montana or 3 quads Alsace layout would be better if you did the 12 gun thing.
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  483. Well on the Privateer issue the US never signed that particular treaty so in theory the US can still issue Letters of Marque if it felt so inclined, but the issue is virtually everyone and pretty much everyone important besides the US is part of that treaty so good luck getting anyone else to recognize your privateers as privateers and not pirates. Of course if anyone who changed governments between the treaty in the late 1850 and the world wars wanted to not recognize being signed up to the treaty someone like say France could be like "yes well the Republic of France is not the Empire of France anymore so Napoleon III's signature on a piece of paper means nothing to us anymore" and back out of a treaty easily
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  484. While the British may have had the potential to 16" everything in your what if there's also the fact that historically they didn't have a bunch of money for modernizations and only modernized 3 of the QEs and one of the Renowns and none of the Rs and poor old Hood didn't get modernized. Also if the US was turning the Tennessees and New Mexicos into Colorados that means the US now has a bunch of spare 14"/50s that they could potentially put in place of 14"/45s on the ships they can't Colorado
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  485. Last time I was this early HMS Captain was still afloat
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  486. Adm Beatty had a large oil painting made of the USS Texas' ship's dog Jim and presented to the Captain of the USS Texas. Any idea where that is today?
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  487. With modern oil fired boilers some of the 28ish knot with coal fired boilers battle cruisers may have gotten over 30 knots.
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  488. Pretty sure I can't just take a train from this side of the Atlantic
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  489.  @hmskinggeorgev7089  on the part 2 it's not a question of which 4 it's which 3 along with Warspite
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  490.  @bkjeong4302  well just remember that because I think the powers that be would have done this or that doesn't mean I would have.
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  491. Yeah unless someone builds some paper like H44/A150/1945 lion/Tillman type stuff I don't see the point and even then im pretty sure the US would have built the last 2 iowas and/or some Montanas before they would have refit NC/SD
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  492. @Macca17 Royal oak was refit in the 30s but sank in harbor before really doing anything. Pretty sure that's the answer
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  493.  @markhepworth4804  indeed Iron Duke, Warspite, Dreadnaught just off the top of my head are some good names
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  494. If they are going to top thier previous names they are going to need a HMS Thundercougerfalconbird
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  495. Get well soon and rehydrate yourself with plenty of irn bru
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  496. There's one way I see Scharnhorst and Gneisenau lasting a while in this scenario, repulse and hood both have fairly outdated fire control where they may have trouble finding the range and getting hits. If hood and repulse are killing nothing but fish repulse is poorly enough armoured to be at risk if Scharnhorst or Gneisenau found the range first (opposite of renown which had modernized fire control)
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  497. In WWI the Kaiserliche Marine had rather large bursting charge per caliber in shells similar or in some calibers superior to British (who are the kings of big bursting charges) In the second world war the Kriegsmarine had rather puny bursting charges. Is there a particular reason for the change or a particular Admiral responsible for this move.
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  498. Well with naval small arms the German Navy adopted the Luger in 1904before the German Army in 1908. The British Royal Navy also adopted the Webley model of 1913 automatic and the British Army didn't adopt an automatic pistol until after WWII
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  499. Well much like the TTS doesn't like foreign or weird words I really hate trying to type in another language on a phone or tablet that has autocorrect. It's probably worse with German than it is at Spanish or Latin, and Vietnamese is so out there it gives up trying to correct it.
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  500. Possibly, or instead of a QE as we know it it could also have basically been a British Fuso and been an Iron Duke with an extra turret
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  501. Enterprise had Warspite levels of plot armour
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  502. Without a treaty the 14" standards may have been returreted into colorados
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  503. By the time multiple shot firearms like revolvers came along steam power and shell guns had pretty much rendered boarding actions obselete, how much could multiple shot firearms have changed boarding actions if they had came along before steam and shells
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  504. So drach, if you had to rebuild a navy for a country that basically didn't have one (like post wwi Germany ) what would you build
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  505. The concrete deteriorating the rebar is why Alcatraz had to be shut down.
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  506. Didn't need to wait for you to explain the meanings of the Spanish ships.
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  507. Well with the triple turreted QEs if they removed 3 turrets from the 3 refit QEs that opens up the possibility of triple turreted Vanguard
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  508. Well with the triple turreted QEs that causes all sorts of butterflies because if the refits are 28 knoters they are going to be deployed much different than historically
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  509. I don't imagine a metal ship has enough wood to try and use for fuel.
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  510.  @Princenaso  because they operated a lot together
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  511.  @bificommander7472  it's not so much don't know how it's more don't have the right machinery set up in the right size right this second and it takes years to make a naval rifle once you have the machines set up
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  512. If 3rd parties became involved and the Franco-Prussian war turned into a world war what sort of weird and wonderful ironclads could we have seen if everyone making ironclads ended up in a big war.
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  513. If the Königsburgs where actually efficient ( so similar to a Leander) do you think they would have been better off with those or something like the 12 150mm Hipper as proposed for Seydlitz
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  514.  @Thomas-gs4yq  well the Royal navy may be many things but stupid isn't one of them and it wouldn't just be PoW and Hood if the Tirpitz and both Deutschlands where along for the ride.
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  515.  @kemarisite  http://www.navweaps.com/index_nathan/Penetration_Germany.php has 11" 52 Deutschland guns and for Hood it was built before the super duper über British armour was developed so you'd probably want to look at something more like American or japanese armor steel than British, that is like KGV and Vanguard only
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  516. Is there any action a conventional cruiser like a Hipper or Königsburg etc participated in that may have turned out better if it had been an overgunned Deutschland instead?
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  517. At least it had better luck than Blücher
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  518.  @michaelfacto4029  definitely not as late as they could/would have been made (post war) Maybe if you was able to get them instead of the Alaskas around the same time as the Iowas but even then that's assuming you are building a big gun ship either way and building more carriers isn't an option
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  519. One paper design I've seen before in some papers taken by one of Admiral Dönitz's secretaries to keep it out of allied hands was one of the H class with triple 15s instead of twin huge guns but it would have been a later H class(like H42 or H43) so not even something close to actually being built
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  520. A definite butterfly possibility to trying to copenhagen the high seas fleet at peace is that such a trecherous act is not going to play well with the US.
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  521.  @154Kilroy  well mine laying is one of the other uses for subs without the torps. I suppose cruiser subs with 6 or 8 inch guns is also a possibility, especially in the pre sonar era when they tended to use the deck guns if there wasn't escorts anyway.
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  522. @Colin Walker well with the keeping UK in the Alliance and Germany in the Central powers I'd say getting the US in the central powers would be the most balance upsetting with a single country swap. Probably the easiest way for that to happen would be for UK ally Japan to attack US pacific holdings a war earlier than historical. I suppose with the Central powers losing historically either of Germany's Ally's staying neutral or worse going alliance would make it a quicker loss. If you remove the keeping UK and Germany on different sides as a parameter if Belgium allowed Germany to pass or Germany just didn't go through Belgium Britain presumably stays Neutral and without the Brits it probably looks more like Franco-Prussian war 2 electric bugaloo than historical WWI Even more ahistorical if France invaded Belgium instead of Germany Britain is now treaty bound to go to war with France and presumably join the Central powers. I'm pretty sure France would fall if Britain was Neutral much less if they were joining the Germans.
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  523.  @bkjeong4302  yeah if you look at penetration numbers for both guns you are probably talking about 20k yards or more for either of them to have protection even with angles of drop. When neither can resist the other it's pretty much a race to find the range and get hits. Of course there's a bit of luck on getting range regardless of who has the nominally better fire control and if both are scoring hits before either is crippled there's luck with golden bb factor.
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  524.  @bkjeong4302  while you are technically correct, the best kind of correct, about the protection with the kind of guns they are both packing I'm not sure either is actually going to be very well protected.
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  525.  @keab42  if it's sunk I'm sure the same all out hunt happens. If it shot hood up badly and sent it running home but didn't sink it then maybe not.
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  526. If completed how do you think they would fair compared to thier contemporary ships of other nations like Fuso, Standards, QE/R, Bayern
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  527. Last time I was this early the people wanted 8 and we won't wait
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  528. If they built a MN Agincourt it should have been a Lyon class so it could have had more barrels than the inferior HMS Agincourt
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  529.  @jeebusk  well you would need a full Italian style rebuild to get up to 28ish knots like the Dorias. Just switching coal to oil only would probably put it around 23 knots like the Rs that were designed for 21 on coal but built with oil
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  530. Yay extra Drach this week
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  531. A modernized Nassau could depend on how much they was willing to put in to the modernization. If it was. Literally a Nassau except with turbines don't think it would be very helpful. If you changed the magazine and turret configuration from 6 twin 11s hexagonal to say 4 twin 13.8 or 15 on centerline it would become a more formidable unit
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  532. If I'm ever a time traveler I'm getting a job at bofors in thier North American sales division right before the war. Would sir like a 40 mm with that
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  533. The Brits should have sold Agamemnon to the Greeks after WWI to troll the Turks.
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  534. If the British had one town and one county at river Platte instead of 2 Leanders and one York (presumably losing a hull because the full size units are more expensive) do you think they would have been better or worse off?
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  535.  @bkjeong4302  never underestimate the ability of Congress to spend money less efficiently than other governments.
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  536. May not sound as exciting as a battle but this is where wars are won and lost
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  537. From what I understand AZ was slightly faster than other standards at almost 23 knots after a refit with the Colorado class USS Washington's machinery. Would this fractionally better speed have gotten her any more use than other standards if she had survived.
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  538. Although it's made for combat and not just bombardment the Deutschland class would be something of a better bombardment ship than a similar size conventional ship. It's 11" guns are going to go further and carry heavier charges than 8" conventional heavy cruiser. Also it's 6" secondary battery is going to hit harder and go further than a 4" or 5" secondary on a conventional cruiser and is even the same as the main battery on a light cruiser.
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  539. Well if hypothetically the Japanese had done the Montana approach for Yamato and had 12 16.1"/50 instead of messing around with the 18.1" they could possibly have put some of those barrels on Nagato and Mutsu
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  540. When he did the Hitler pic on his ID to see if the security was doing thier job he really missed a trick by not doing Himmler who had similarly thick glasses.
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  541. To whomever named a poorly armoured ship Invincible, you keep using that word I do not think it means what you think
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  542. Anti torpedoboat defense Kamchatka intensifies
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  543. Well with the what if Germany doesn't have naval arms race question I think you are falling into the trap of assuming the one thing changes and nothing else changes. If they don't have a high seas fleet to face Britain if they have any sense they don't invade Belgium. If Belgium is not invaded but Britain decides to get in the war anyway the US is likely to view Britain as the unhinged aggressor.
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  544. Kind of Surprised he didn't mention the Johnsonville campaign in which Forrest captured like 20 something Union supply ships and sank and captured several Union Gunboats with a cavalry force
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  545. German Admiral laughs in Bismarck class
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  546. Which is more useless, this or Graf Zeppelin
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  547. Just think, it only had that many turrets because the Vickers 14" salesman wasn't on point that day
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  548.  @and15re1  well I doubt it would ever happen because they would be at such a disadvantage against 14, 15, and 16 inch pre treaty ships. If it somehow did happen anyway they would have been at least triple and maybe quad turrets so they could have been upgunned to 14 or larger when war were declared. Also they would have been improved 12s similar to US Alaska 12" or Scharnhorst 11" not WWI 12"
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  549. Last time I was this early task force 34 wasn't headed north with the carriers yet
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  550.  @bkjeong4302  presumably one of them would be defending a convoy or a base or something because yeah KGV could just nope out of there if it didn't like the odds
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  551. Tennessee vs KGV which would win in a battle of best 14" ships
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  552. Good luck on deciding which us museum ships to go to. I am land locked so I'm not especially close to any of them. Some of the US Civil War history and forts might make Charleston SC more interesting than some of the ones in ports that don't have much military history besides the ships themselves.
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  553.  @Ent1610  well the US 14"/50 had decent penetration so unless it went against Yamato armour penetration shouldn't be a problem. The US 14 inch had rather pedestrian bursting charges but with 12 of them per salvo quantity has a quality of its own.
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  554.  @RobJaskula  I'm sure if you had a French speaking admiral that didn't need to send the French speaking captain that could have helped.
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  555. How much do you think the German's smaller navy where if they had to attempt Sealion it would certainly be at the shortest point influenced Hitler's certainty that Overlord would be Dover-Calais?
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  556. So if Devonshire had responded to glorious do you think it could have helped the destroyers or do you think it would have just added a heavy cruiser to Scharnhorst and Gneissenau's talley
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  557. Not only was rms Olympic slow it was vertical triple expansion engines
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  558.  @greg_mca  well there was definitely ships destroyed by coal torpedoes (bombs disguised as lumps of coal) in the US civil war. Unfortunately the Confederate secret service destroyed it's documents so it's not 100% certain what was the victim of a coal torpedo and what just suffered a boiler explosion.
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  559.  @usssouthdakota5541  well the Gin court apparently has just 9" of belt armor like Queen Mary, , whereas Wyoming has 11 and König has 13.8, so they are going to be able to penetrate it well before it can penetrate them. Also both the Americans and the Germans was able to make thier 12"/50 caliber work, so that means thier guns can penetrate fractionally further even if they didn't als have the armor advantage. I think I'd have to rule it out of winning that 3 way just based on armor similar to Drach ruling out Bretagne in the the Bretagne vs Texas vs Iron Duke. Wyoming vs König is interesting, Wyoming has 2 more barrels, König has better armor and bigger bursting charges
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  560. Well if they are lucky enough to get rescued definitely need to put Ron Howard on the movie about it, Apollo 13 director is definitely the guy for the job.
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  561. Just wait till Steiner's big counteroffensive
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  562. Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue
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  563. Can we get a transcript of this dubbed by Robot Nixon from from Futurama?
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  564. No, we need the US to replace Chinese manufacturing
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  565. But what is the biggest sousaphone style tuba
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  566. I'm assuming anything in there resembles hamburger
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  567. If they die new drinking game, take a shot every time the news report about it has the Celine Dion titanic song as bumper music
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  568. Grandpa Joe seems to be doing well since Charlie won the chocolate factory
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  569. Sleeping with the fishes
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  570. Futility, Wreck of the Titan
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  571. Taft could have won a second term if only he was born after Issac Hayes was around Who's the cat that won't cop out when there's danger all about? (Taft) Can you dig it? They say that Taft is a bad mother (Shut your mouth) But I'm only talking 'bout Taft (Then we can dig it)
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  572. If he was he didn't do a very good job of it
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  573. Americans haven't had to fight a war on our own soil since the Civil War, so yeah there's definitely no one around that remembers it.
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  574. Not that many years ago there would have been too many to list
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  575. Dr Felton tells the History channel to go home and get it's shinebox
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  576. The B52 and C130 are almost as old
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  577.  @pacificblue5461  yes
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  578. I look more like Alois Sr than I care to admit
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  579.  @artawhirler  that might make a good April fools idea if Dr Felton has such a sense of humor
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  580. Hewel is one of the ones in HRP memes.
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  581. Looks like 1.79 meters(5'10.5") according to his Nuremberg mug sheet
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  582. Not certain of his height but he was taller than Hitler.
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  583. Well he was old so may have lost a bit from peak height, also it's pretty common for men of that Generation to state thier height in shoes so may have been more like 6'1" peak barefoot.
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  584. If I wanted ancient aliens I'd watch the history channel
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  585. Clearly fell down the stairs.
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  586. I have a good idea that he wasn't at Flensburg.
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  587. Well in the Borman escapes to South America conspiracy theory stories he ends up dieing of cancer, and sees Mengele to confirm that diagnosis not trusting Argentina Dr. Don't know if it's true or not but Borman is a rotten enough bastard to wish cancer on if it is.
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  588. Ah yes the leader of the People's Demokratik Republik of Putinstan
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  589. Yeah the ones found in Berlin were totally Hitler and Eva, or at least that's what great Uncle Adolfo from Argentina said
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  590. No idea which is accurate but all 3 are plausible, could be weather, could be Ukrainians thinking it was Russians, Could be Russians. I kind of doubt Russians would attack inside the Romanian airspace since they seem to be trying to avoid getting NATO in the war
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  591. Ah, Mohnke.
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  592. Just out of curiosity do you know what size hat the Kaiser wore?
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  593. I don't think any of my WWII vet relatives are still living and like 20 years ago all of them and even a WWI vet relative was around.
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  594. At least the US didn't get any Gladiators
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  595. Harrison Ford in the stolen Nazi uniform in Indiana Jones looks a lot like Goldberg
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  596. I wonder if legal eagle is going to find this video
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  597. Am I in before the Ancient Aliens types try to claim it was a dogman?
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  598. And in other news Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.
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  599. Mr. Mackey
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  600. I hope so, insert Clayton Bigsby joke here
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  601. I hope the Brothel one is true just because what a way to go.
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  602. Yeah April 45 after the Allies are already in Germany is a dollar short and a day late for negotiating a separate peace with the west. If they had made the offer around the Ardennes offensive while they where still in Belgium and France maybe it would have been tempting.
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  603. Well considering that Lord Haw Haw got hanged by the Brits for treason when he wasn't even a British citizen I'd say she got off easy.
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  604. With that voice I'm expecting Patton to say he has a great friend in Rome named Biggus Dickus
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  605. WWII era British accent sounds like an American trying to imitate a current era British accent badly.
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  606.  @fg42t2  I haven't seen one but I've seen a PP in 6.35 so they probably made a ppk too
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  607. Anachronistic battle that sound like something from a video game with uneven tech trees.
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  608. Seeing that other apes like Orangutans and gibbons live in that general part of the world it's not exactly inconceivable that there could be an undiscovered species.
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  609. Mom, can we have B1B? Mom: We have B1B at home
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  610. I wasn't sure who would end up being the Germans last one, I knew Mohnke made it into the 2000s but apparently someone outlasted him
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  611. Too our wives and girlfriends, may they never meet.
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  612. Hopefully Charlie Chaplin ended up with it
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  613. Well there's a simple enough explanation for not noticing the Japanese transports,. They used the same model as the US. They licensed it from Douglas pre war in the 30s.
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  614. Sounds like a Fegel antic
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  615. Mississippi and Arkansas sigh in relief of not being in the bottom 10 list
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  616. Some of the disagreement may be on a particular "town" to be too small and unimportant for someone to consider a legitimate town.
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  617. The giant gnome has moved Iowa slightly up my list.
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  618. Stay classy Kentucky
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  619. Seeing hefalumps and woozles
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  620. Well stuff rhyming in both languages is not that unusual. A lot of traditional songs exist in both languages.
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  621. Bayer definitely needs more of a mention for wartime activities as they where heavily involved in a bunch of the unethical medical experiments conducted during the war.
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  622. I've never found German difficult. Off the 4 foreign languages I speak it's the one I found easiest and the one actual native speakers of say I speak the best at. Who is it that thinks it's a hard one to learn?
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  623. It's not just the bad Charlie Chaplin impersonator, the majority of German speaking characters in English speaking films are going to be soldiers who are yelling which is obviously going to sound rough.
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  624. Something interesting is the difference in how men react at the garter toss vs how women react at the flower toss. Men that aren't in a serious enough relationship to be likely to propose in the next year or so aren't even going to make an attempt at the garter. Women all try their damnedest for the bouquet of flowers regardless of whether they are in a good relationship or not. In fact the less likely they are to get married soon the harder they try for them magic flowers as if that is going to get them a good man they don't currently have.
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  625. Well on the faking other accents front I can pretty much nail another accent if I'm immigrating a person with that accent but I can't do it in my regular natural voice. Like for example if I say imitated JFK I could nail a Boston masshole accent but if I just tried speaking in that accent without faking the voice too I'd fail horribly.
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  626. Karen and Kevin... Definitely living up to stereotypes.
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  627. Well im probably not the best example because I've not like moved to another country that speaks another language to live there but definitely think and have inner narrator voice in my Native US English and not any of the other languages I can also speak. The inner narrator voice being in US English means the words that are different in US vs UK English cause some funny mental images when reading something written by a UK English speaker because my brain doesn't autotranslate it the way it does if I hear spoken UK English, so if I hear a UK English speaker say torch I know they mean a hand held light but if I see torch written im thinking about a flaming stick
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  628. Well sometimes there's a different title for the US vs UK release of a movie or tv show or music album. Some of the ones with a different but still English title may have the UK title.
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  629. Don't especially have any of those. For the stein mispronunciation you can blame the jews as that is how they pronounce thier names ending in it.
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  630. Well "tomcatting around" is a old timey like 1930s way of saying a guy was out drinking with the guys and possibly trying to pick up women in US English you would like have a pissed off wife or GF scolding her man for being out on the town tomcatting around when he comes home all hungover the next morning in like old movies. I wonder if the two are possibly related terms and don't even know it.
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  631. I think one reason for the stereotype of German being cartoonishly agressivly pronounced is that one of the main sources of film and tv shows with German spoken in them in the English speaking media sources are war films, and military personnel barking orders at one another have harsh sounds. Imagine if the only time someone ever heard English was Gunney Hartman from Full Metal Jacket what they would think English sounded like https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tHxf17yJsKs
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  632. The referring to someone by a the first letter of the name isn't especially common but it's probably most common if someone has a strange foreign name that's difficult to remember and/or pronounce.
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  633. Fun fact, when the DDR went away the BRD apparently didn't know about its island gifted to the DDR by Cuba Ernst Thälmann island and never claimed it for unified Germany. So if the post unification government hadn't forgotten about it Germany could have an island off the coast of Cuba in the Caribbean.
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  634. Well English has different idioms for US vs UK and even Ireland has different idioms from UK.
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  635. Saying that's bologna about something you don't believe is the US equivalent of the cheese one.
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  636. I don't run into false friend problems too much between English and German where of the two similar languages one is my native. I actually fall for them a lot between Spanish and Latin where there's 2 similar languages I know and neither of them is my native.
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  637. Definitely appreciate the info on Octoberfest because the Germans I do know aren't Bavarian and probably don't know most of this info.
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  638. Glad someone has explained it. I've had to attempt to expain the US system and ran into a my German and thier English were both inadequate to properly explain the situation.
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  639. You can only be elected for two terms/ 8 years but you could technically serve just under 10 years if you was the vice president and assumed the presidency for less than half the term.
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  640. Definitely seen Married With Children and DuckTales on German TV on vacation, but that's just what I can specifically remember 20 years later certainly not everything.
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  641. Back when there was a lot more of the Generations born before the war alive there was quite a few Yiddish speakers around. Not so much anymore.
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  642. Well the older Germans feeling weird about stealing holidays from other cultures is like the opposite of how we roll here in the US. If someone has a party that sounds fun we are probably stealing it and having another excuse for a party whether it's St Patrick's from the Irish, Cinco de Mayo from the Mexicans, Oktoberfest from the Germans if you have something that sounds fun we are going to use it.
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  643.  @HalfEye79  funny may not be the best way of putting it but yes apparently when they run into an English speaker named Todd they think they are going to be the first to inform him what it is in German. Well anyways in English it has the name meaning according to baby names books of Fox 🦊 which is why in a number of cartoon franchises like Disney's The Fox and the Hound the fox is named Todd and that also means a fairly common German name Reinhart is the direct equivalent in German.
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  644.  @HalfEye79  yes I'm familiar with the meaning. Apparently everyone ever thinks they are the first one to tell me about it.
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  645. Well the people messing up the name is one I'm familiar with. If I introduce myself to a German speaker I'm going to have them telling me that my name means something funny in German.
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  646. Don't know that I could fake a German speaker accent any better than the average English speaker but I can apparently understand a thick accent better than most.
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  647. There's also some time period differences Austrian from people born before or just after the war is definitely a lot different than more modern which is much closer standard. It's definitely not unusual to understand a your own age Austrian no problem but have trouble understanding their grandpa.
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  648. Don't think I'd declaw one because of furniture. If one was aggressive towards people I can see declawing being more humane than having it euthanized but I'm pretty sure the majority of people doing it is for the former and not the latter.
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  649. I think the fact that Bavaria seems to embrace the traditional stuff is why people outside associate it. If the other regions promoted the traditional stuff instead of just being as modern as possible they would be more associated with the culture to outsiders.
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  650. I've been told that my accent is a bit odd and not typical for a native English speaker. I've been told I sound like I'm from one of the Scandinavian countries.
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  651. Well while squirrel is easy to pronounce with a English front of the tongue R sound it's nearly impossible to pronounce with the back of the tongue French/German R sound that close to a Q sound.
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  652. Probably more of a girls judging guys thing because I don't know of guys talking much about jaws when talking about girls. For me personally the facial feature that is the difference in omfg hot and just ok is eyes.
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  653. I think he's overrated ad an orator but then again I'm not a fanboi of the barely intelligible as English Masshole accent
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  654. The name "wife beater" shirt is relatively modern like '90s. There was a stand up comedian doing a bit about the TV show COPS and how the guys wearing them were always getting arrested for beating their wife and the name stuck
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  655. Iirc there was some sort of medical quackery for self diagnosis of disease by inspecting your stool that was popular in Germany around the time flush toilets started becoming a thing. At least poop shelves aren't as dumb as drinking radium, which was a medical quack practice big in the US at one time.
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  656. Where there was a lot of immigration in the 1800s and early 1900s people who have German ancestry may know what part of the country thier ancestors came from and may know distant relatives back in the old country. Where most English and Scottish immigration was pre 1776 most people probably don't have a clue where in the old country thier ancestors came from or who was the ancestor to cross the pond.
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  657. Actually Brits pronounce jaguar as 3 syllables
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  658. Don't have much trouble with them myself but with you having to do a vid about it I'm guessing it's common to have issues.
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  659. Well the gay(nttawwt) sounding accent is probably something of a throwback to the Weimar era with the lots of gays and transvestites, which is one of the other cliches if you try to avoid hyperaggressive bad mustache man era sound.
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  660. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Iqm_4VIPIrw this scene from this Wolfenstein video game
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  661. Is this going to be the poop shelf episode?
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  662. I hate working on a vehicle that is like half in SAE and half in metric like most 80s/90s US domestic. I definitely prefer full SAE like 70s and back domestic or full metric like everything foreign and most newer 2000+ cars.
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  663. Earworm exists but isn't especially common in English
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  664. An native speaker actor that used to be in a lot of American movies in the '80s and '90s but I haven't seen much lately (looking at IMDB looks like he's mostly done European movies since about 2000) is Klaus Maria Brandauer
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  665. Christolph Waltz definitely speaks very well. I definitely don't need subtitles when he is speaking and I can't always say that about other Austrians. Arnold Schwarzenegger has a very thick Austrian accent. I've seen a German TV reporter interviewing him and I pretty much had to use subtitles when he was speaking but didn't need them when the reporter was speaking.
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  666. I agree with you on Fury that Pitt sounded very American but was perfectly understandable.
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  667. Generally in the US you only tell someone who you aren't expecting to see again till after the new year happy new years before the new year.
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  668. Not one especially used by the distant relatives I used to speak to regularly when they was still alive, but they are from a different part of the country than where you are showing this as common.
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  669. The thing you are advertising teaching a word for word translation is probably not the best idea. Should be "Ich heiße " not "Ich bin"
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  670. Basically the short version of why nothing in English seems to neatly follow rules is some words are true old English words, some are French words and some are Latin words and guess what they don't have the same rules.
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  671. On your question about telling US English speaker from UK English speaker when both speaking German I don't know that there's a pronunciation difference but there's definitely a different cadence pattern from one to the other
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  672. I can sort of understand but yeah it's definitely not standard.
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  673. The sounding super angry is probably largely from newsreels of Hitler, and besides the fact he is literally yelling into the microphone he's also got a rather thick Austrian accent. Like I have trouble understanding him without subtitles but have no issues with understanding the other leaders who are German and not Austrian.
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  674. As far as English vs German names for the cities and the country I tend to use the one for the language I'm speaking at the time. If you get offended at the Anglicized city name have the conversation in German because it just feels off and doesn't roll off the tongue well to put an overly German city name in the middle of an English sentence.
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  675. The fact you have a pretty much American sounding accent in English is probably why some people seem in disbelief that you speak German natively and English is your second language. If you had an Arnold Schwarzenegger level accent I don't think anyone would wrongly think English is your first language.
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  676. This black white supremacist needs to be cancelled and so does the college that would show off his collection
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  677. I think we found Krebs from HRP
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  678. Well what do you expect from a country with watery tarts distributing swords as part of the basis for it's system of government
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  679. That's more hardcore than the Eurotrip safeword
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  680. Excellent for drop bear defense
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  681. Lefties think the military is a bunch of racists that want to murder brown people for oil and righties don't want to join now that the military is going woke and has the girl with two moms commercials.
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  682. Mom can we get attack helicopter? (Mom) We have attack helicopter at home.
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  683. I'm assuming whomever was making UCP brought better hookers and more blow to the Pentagon pitch meeting than the competition
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  684. Well if she's dropping it's a 2 horse race with DeSantis and Trump as Chris Crisco and Vivek are already out
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  685. He's definitely got dementia. Just look up a 2008 Biden and how much quicker and sharper he was.
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  686. Well it looks like MV Polar Prince is Canadian registered so the Canadians would be the ones with jurisdiction
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  687. Mom We have GTA at home GTA at home
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  688. When you hear a Wall 🧱 age woman crying that Chad turned her down it makes you feel like you are James Franco's character asking the crying guy"First time?" In the hanging scene from Buster Scruggs
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  689. Alpha Widows with no concept that the best guy they let slip away don't want them anymore
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  690. Bunch of Alpha Widows
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  691. Single mom with a bad boy fetish.... She's about as appealing to us as a 5'4" manlet that lives with his parents are to her.
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  692. Guess Vlad couldn't get him any Polonium 210 tea
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  693. If I try to immitate a specific person with another accent I can generally pull it off but if I just try to do an accent in my voice I fail. I can do the Robin hood men in tights line and sound just like Cary Elwes but if I tried doing the accent without the voice it would utterly fail.
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  694. Something I've found interesting is that sang English sounds like American spoken English except for punk no matter how British the band. Punk sounds like spoken northern British no matter how American the band.
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  695. Well I see the Brits enjoy talking shit about other regions' accents as much as we do in the US
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  696. When seconds matter the police are 14minutes away.
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  697. F U got mine
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  698. He looked older in 1970 than now
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  699. Nah bro one milkman has 9 kids on the way
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  700. No one can diss like gaston
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  701. If the Germans control north Africa it's going to be much harder to invade Italy(as historical) or southern France or the Balkans(as also possible) from the Mediterranean. Also if it went stupidly bad and the Germans got the Suez canal the Brits would have to go all the way around Africa to get ships and supplies and troops between Britain and India, Australia, etc.
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  702. The biggest difference would be the lack of hot bateaux tapestry memes.
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  703. At 20 feet you can drop the Komodo
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  704. So we have historical Wilson winning and this alt hist of teddy winning, what if Taft won
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  705. Nubian please
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  706. US congress that is
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  707. Well another option to the South winning the war with assistance from Britain and France would be a disastrous 1862 midterm election where the anti war peace faction gets like a supermajority in both houses of Congress and just settles for peace without the war being fought to a conclusion.
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  708. I have no idea with what weapons WWIII will be fought but WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones
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  709. I don't want to think about some religious extremists so bad they make WBC look like rational moderates.
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  710. In 2080 I'll be dead and won't be able to criticize your ones that don't pan out
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  711. If there's no Napoleonic wars the Brits don't have Gibraltar in this time line
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  712. Might not have been as farfetched as it seems at first. Hitler and Musulinni didn't become close until Germany annexed Austria in 1938. Right before the war. If they had became close during the Spanish Civil War in 1936 they may have had enough pre war time to get the Italian equipment up closer to German Equipment.
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  713. Apply cold water to that burn
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  714. Unless someone started armouring enough that 16 and 18 inch guns had trouble penetrating I don't see the benefit of 20 inch plus guns over a larger number of 16 or 18 inch guns
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  715. Bofors salesman: would sir like a quad 40mm with that
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  716. Might check out some of the YouTube language channels on looking for native speakers of South American dialect Spanish and Brazilian Portuguese speakers for those versions when you try it
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  717. Since the later standards were turbo electric drive which would allow them to fine tune speed much more precisely than a turbine ship where they could easily maintain 21 knots to keep a battle line with older standards and pre standards if they were capable to go faster how feasible would it have been for the USN to have made the TN and CO classes longer and faster back at the design phase and maybe have ships that could match the QEs Fusos and Ises on speed?
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  718. The eastern part of TN is closer to Canada than it is to Memphis, TN
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  719. Until the Washington naval treaty the US was planning on up gunning the later standards to 16" Guns and basically making them Colorados.
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  720. They are a battle cruiser as outlined by Jackie Fisher (armour to resist conventional cruisers and massively outclassing conventional cruiser guns) although he called them dreadnought armoured cruisers. They are definitely not battle cruiser as established after the Germans started an arms race with the British and they started evolving into fast battleships
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  721. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1TGG6p5BrOI if you need assistance pronouncing Braunschweig
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  722. The black knight always wins
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  723. I sure hope he did if he's got the costume bits
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  724. If the Brits had somehow negotiated AUS and NZ through Washington treaty (maybe allowing the US to sell one or two of it's 12" ships that would otherwise be scrapped to Phillipenes) would a modernized AUS/NZ be a viable cruiser killer in WWII or would it be just too far obsolete
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  725. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd7FixvoKBw couldn't help but think of this when I heard Blake
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  726. If the Brits had made a 9.2" Blücher style instead of the invincible the Germans may have made a battle cruiser as we know it first as the 11" would be easier to adapt from an armoured cruiser size ship than the 13.5" as the Brits were quickly escalating from 12" to bigger.
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  727.  @chazzerman286  well as someone who thinks treaties are dumb because people will just cheat on them anyway you are just proving it more. And let's not even get into the German and Italian just lying honest guvnuh this Bismarck is 35,000 tons, and so is this Littorio, and these Panzerschiff are 10,000 tons.
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  728.  @stevevalley7835  yeah if you did 3 quads in 14 would be easily swapped for 3 triple 16
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  729.  @eitanrosen464  I don't think the soviets had a good dual purpose gun that I am immediately aware of so it would probably have been as inefficient as the Germans built it. The main thing it would have been good for is training carrier pilots if the soviets decided to make actual efficient carriers after it.
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  730.  @rat_king-  my hovercraft is full of eels
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  731. Well on some Naval specific small arms forgotten weapons has some excellent videos on the Webley m1913 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HSDygkzGQRo&t=711s and the colt contract .455 Webley rimless 1911 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZkBgj9nMWQ&t=7s from the Royal Navy WWI era and the P04 navy luger https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OXFOyn141jY&t=101s that the Kaiserlichmarine had before the army had yet adopted the P08 luger.
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  732. Well as he stated summer is hot and fall is hurricane season so spring is probably optimal once things open and you can be picky on when you go.
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  733. So if by some hand waving Bismarck and Yamato swapped final missions would the not 25mm Japanese AA of Bismarck and extra speed have worked better than Yamato Also how would Yamato and Prinz Eugen vs Hood and Prince of Wales go.
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  734.  @bkjeong4302  and that's exactly why the carrier strike was the correct decision.
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  735. I guess building it on west coast is an option I was thinking about east because it's where actual Habakkuk was going to be made
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  736.  @Grimmtoof  well the US army has cruiser sized land artillery so should at least manage that
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  737. This vs Monitor?
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  738. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_color-coded_war_plans
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  739.  @kemarisite  it wouldn't just be the KGV for fast Brit stuff. There's also vanguard, hood, the renouns, the courageouses, the tiger, the queen Mary, the Lions , and even the 12" indefatigables and Invincibles could possibly penetrate Alaskas
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  740.  @MrDagenham  probably convoy. The R's were too slow to chase down Bismarcks/Scharnhorsts/Deutschlands etc.
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  741.  @kemarisite  well adding up the numbers of classes actually built the RN had 19 15/16" ships, the USN had 13 The RN had 21 13.5/14" ships the USN had 11 The RN had 16 12" ships USN had 8
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  742.  @ShillienFeuer  quite possibly.
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  743.  @chrishopwood6938  I'm pretty sure the Royal Navy would win that one . While the standards would be a good match for the opposite battleships the us had no battle cruisers.
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  744. Less armor than Queen Mary definitely a battle cruiser
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  745. Indeed it's a good fit for this class
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  746. Hammock armour on something like a metal tube could also make it less likely to kill someone if that railing or small mast or whatever is thrown about by an explosion. A bare railing tube might impale and kill someone where a hammock wrapped one might break someone's rib and hurt like a sob but not impale and kill them.
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  747. There's definitely a societal aspect to mental illness. There's different types of hallucinations associated prevalently with schizophrenia in western culture vs eastern culture vs middle eastern culture vs tribal cultures
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  748. In the era of man powered capstans a stocked having more holding power for the same size anchor was maybe a big deal, when you have mechanically powered just get a bigger anchor if the same size stockless is inadequate
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  749. If the (what would become) Yugoslavian navy got to keep the Tegethoff class how useful could they have been in WWII both with a minimal modernization and with a serious good modernization? The Kingdom of Yugoslavia was on very friendly terms with France so likely French modernization. If course relative usefulness would assume they extended both middle fingers to the axis and sailed off for Alexandria to join the British as the Free Yugoslavian navy.
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  750. If Blücher had been a second Von Der Tann and survived the battle that sank Blücher and made it to Jutland how much use would an extra battle cruiser have been?
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  751.  @doyouseetorpedoboats8893  well another good example for WWI era could be 4 low 30s thousand ton 2nd gen super dreadnoughts like QE/R/Standard/Bayern/Fuso/Ise vs 5 mid 20s thousand ton 1st gen super dreadnoughts like Iron Duke/New York/WWI KGV/Orion/Bretagne
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  752.  @doyouseetorpedoboats8893  well in a 6 treaty ships vs 3 Yamato scenario id say if it's 16" armed treaty ships like SD or NC class I'd put money on the treaty ships because 16" guns aren't going to have to get unfathomably close to penetrate a Yamato even if they will have to get closer than Yamato needs to get to penetrate them. Now KGV I'd probably just about put money on Yamato assuming the weather/visibility isn't completely worst case terrible because the 14" are going to have to get stupidly close to penetrate Yamato's armor. They can still mission kill take out fire control etc but if they get close enough to penetrate they are close enough to get hit by local turret fire control.
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  753.  @michaelmacleod7051  possibly. It would make the NSDAP less likely to come to power with a less harsh treaty
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  754. So which jump left the previous more outdated Colossus to Orion or Iron Duke to Queen Elizabeth?
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  755. Well one potential modifier you didn't even get into on the barrel count discussion is "how many barrels do you have in forward arcs where you don't need to be broadside on in order to fire them?" An 8 gun, guns forward design like Dunkerque/Richelieu has 8 guns of forward firepower, a 4 on each end conventional 8 gun ship like Bismarck or Queen Elizabeth only has 4. 9 gun ships in triples have 6 forward as do 12 gun ships in triples as does the KGV 10 gun A Nevada layout 10 gun has 5 forward, a Texas/Iron Duke layout with a Q turret only has 4 forward like a 8 gun A 12 gun in doubles like Arkansas/Fuso only has 4 forward.
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  756.  @gokbay3057  yes as you pointed out Groß can also be"great " in addition to being large. I'm not sure which one was intended when they decided on it.
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  757. Who wins a secondary battery fight 8" layout Lexington class or Graf Zeppelin
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  758.  @MAAAAAAAAAA123  I'll assume finishing stuff already under construction but not starting anything not even started yet
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  759. If the Germans got to keep the remainder of the high seas fleet following WWI (perhaps peace agreement made before the US in the war and definite loss) and they also had the WWII fleet as made in current history how would this force have faired in WWII
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  760. Good luck with your tour, I'm land locked and not especially close to any of the ports (Charleston is probably the closest and I'm still 400 mi from there)
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  761. Well if Spanish Civil war escalated into Germany and USSR going to outright war I'm pretty sure that would mostly have been a land war
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  762. Ok, crazy paper battleship design idea, since you was building this at the same time the Nelson and Rodney was being retired because too slow why not have built a vanguard upsized king George that used the triple 16" turrets from one of those two. Well seems like a fun what if even if I'm the only one who liked it. Or even better 4 of the turrets from those two and a 12 16" gun British Montana
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  763.  @davidrosing5788  Hedley
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  764.  @fizzyb00t  well invincible is not a very good comparison as it had 6" of belt armor and only went like 25-26 knots. Scharnhorst had 13.8" of armor and went 30+ knots
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  765.  @younoobskiller  with it's main weakness being speed a situation where the enemy is coming to you like Dutch East indies is a more favorable situation than commerce raiding and hoping renown, Repulse, Hood, Dunkerque, and Strasbourg disappear it's probably more useful there. Also if you had 2 or more of them the Japanese couldn't send just one Kongo because its vulnerable to 11" fire.
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  766.  @DELTATROOPER5555  well a 200ish thousand ton cruise ship would definitely make a heavy troop or cargo ship. They are also fairly fast by merchant standards.
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  767. I definitely agree with Drach's position of using the pronunciation of the navy in question. The British left tenant pronunciation isn't off putting when talking about the British navy but it definitely sounds off when talking about the USN
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  768. Better than unexpected Japanese torpedo boats
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  769. Well with the tiger instead of Iron Duke as training vessel putting it back in service as a battle cruiser is just one option, carrier conversion is another. There was also the 13.5" KGV Centurion that was a remote control target ship so it could have been Princess Royal or Lion instead if the British govt had thought of this gaming the treaties. The British military was still using the 13.5 as coastal batteries and railway guns in WWII so they are still having to keep stocks of 13.5" shells whether there's any on ships or not.
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  770.  @Alex-cw3rz  the proposal to get 12" limit also put tonnage down to like 28k. If you had a 35k limit well 12 12s in 3 quads that can easily become triple 14s or twin 16s FTW
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  771.  @Alex-cw3rz  well although the penetration is there with 14" guns for Alaska 12" and even Scharnhorst 11" they still have the problem of their bursting charge being puny in comparison to a 14" and with a 28k ton or so limit in that iteration of the treaty you aren't going to be able to put turret farm amounts of guns on it if you want decent armour. If you absolutely had to design one I'd say make it with triples or Quads so you can up gun it to 14s if the treaty collapses. No twins unless you make them intentionally wide enough to get twin 14s even though they are twin 12s
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  772. Well if an alternate 2nd London treaty had made 12" the treaty limit in the 1930s they would have been something more like Alaska class 12" guns than pre WWI 12" guns.
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  773. Well with 12 14" vs 8 16" on bursting charges the 16s had about 30% more bursting charge per shell but 14s had 50%more barrels, so there's about 20%more explosive weight to use 14s assuming 14s will penetrate your opponents armor at the range.
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  774. The zero being a copy thing was possibly started or at least popularized by howard hughes accused it of being a copy of one of his race planes.
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  775. Well since the filming UK has been added to the travel ban so unless you want to test out your swimming skill I guess that's a no.
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  776. How would a Hangout fare against a Scharnhorst if the Germans took one of those down the Baltic
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  777. BB 4 Iowa vs Schleswig-Holstein
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  778. Wyoming,König, Agincourt, Gangut, Tegethof, and Colossus throwdown for title of Best 2nd gen dreadnought, who wins?
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  779. Well if the High Seas fleet did pull off the unquestioned victory described that opens up a whole can of butterflies as without the same amount of badly damaged ships there's a possibility of some of the not historically finished ships being finished because the dock space isn't tied up so bad with repairs. Some Mackensens or more than the 2 Bayerns would definitely make any post Jutland small battles interesting. Also if Lutzow doesn't go down actually having 3 Derrflingers creates them by itself.
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  780.  @Hach-xo3ux  well the British have an advantage in terms of hulls and how many ships have 15"+ guns, and how many ships have 13.5" + guns BUT the US has the advantage in modern post treaty ships (4 IAs, 4SDs,2 NCs, and 2AKs vs Britain's 5 KGVs and Vanguard) When you get into older WWIish era ships if you assume best spec like with WWII refits US is going to have an edge because everything but the 2 sunk(AZ and OK) get refits with radar and modern fire control whereas the Brits it's basically QE, Valiant, Warspite, Renown, and the Nelsons that get refits. If you assume the WWIish ships are in as built configuration the Brits have a massive numbers advantage once you factor in 13.5" ships but you need the Standards to not have WWII refits for the Brits to be ahead because the Rs, Hood, Repulse, Malaya, Barham, all the 13.5s, Courageous, Glorious, Furious, don't get serious modernization. The Brits also have an advantage in 12" ships but they are too far behind to be much beyond cannon fodder.
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  781.  @marcusfranconium3392  I'd say a lot of the answer depends on whether the HSF specifically has to build them as 22 knot slow battleships or whether they can say snag the guns and turrets off a couple of them to put out some Mackensens. Since HSF turned away upon seeing the full GF it's hard to see bigger guns being the game changer when they didn't fight it out. If there was some 14" armed Mackensens well the German battle cruisers got the better of that without the bigger guns or extra hulls. Lion, Tiger, and Princess Royal all took some hits that may well have been fatal if 14" instead of 11 or 12 inch. Not to mention the QEs took some bad hits. If Warspite, Malaya, or Barham took some 14" hits that was historically 11 or 12 they may have gone down or been much worse off if they didn't.
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  782.  @gossythepadre  US responds with Tillman 4-2
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  783.  @WaverleyWanderer  I suspect if Britain built thier 2 16 inch ships in the 30s they would be closer to a less armoured lion than to the 1920s Nelsons since speed was much more of a premium in the 1930s.
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  784. Well your 2 sets you tossed may be representative of different opponents whereas your keept represents typical opponents. The one where rate of training and elevation was included may be representative of their performance against an opponent with no meaningful protection like a Deutschland, Kongo, Renown, Dunkerque, Alaska etc where anything remotely battleship grade can penetrate thier 9" or less of armour without having to close to a point blank range or anything. If you have a belt no thicker than Queen Mary you are vulnerable to any gun on either list. The second one where you didn't include range maybe representative of the super duper armoured stuff like Yamato, Vanguard, KGV, Nelson where anything that isn't a Yamato or Iowa is going to have to close the range and get close. Your final one with range included but not elevation or training is probably right for most stuff with 12-13" belts
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  785. The NY class had a different mk of 14" shell than the NV/PA classes because of it's shell handling system, I didn't see that in the comparison. Also you didn't include the 11"/45 from the German Predreads
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  786. If you get an itch to do guns used in shore batteries as well because they could be used in comparisons of both older ships and paper ships the Germans still had WWI 12" shore batteries with updated MKs of shells and extreme elevation The Germans had h 39 16"/52 guns in shore batteries The British had old 13.5"/45 in shore batteries And maybe some others I'm not thinking of off the top of my head most of them where ones still used on battleships like French had a bunch of Bretagne gun ones and US had it's same old standard class 14" on most of it's batteries British also had some venerable 15"/42 batteries.
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  787.  @sethchaffin1999  modernized with best 1943 radar lexington hands down because it finds the range first and if a ship with 16/50s finds the range on you first you are stuffed even if you was in Yamato. Now if it doesn't have good radar it's whoever finds the range first because a lexington can't tank 14" shells either
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  788. Well if Ft Drum gets a bigger gun realistically a Lexington/1920 SoDak 16"/50 is probably the most likely candidate since the US had a bunch of them laying around
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  789. I guess the US government finally figured out that Mrs Drach is the voice of the sea mine and not an actual sea mine
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  790. Great white fleet, just keep them away from those night clubs.
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  791. Well with decapping calculations remember that there aren't just peer opponents with 15-16 in guns, there's also the KGVs and the older US standards out there rocking 14 inchguns and the French had 13.4 inch the Bretagnes and 13 inch on the Dunkerques so if that decapping layer that successfully decapped a 12 inch can also decap a 13 or 14 inch it's relevant
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  792. You might could do something like a tanker in sail since it's cargo is carried inside the hull, but yeah connexes go on deck, you aren't doing a container ship in sail. As far as something modern in sail that currently exists the USN apparently has unmanned long term sail reconnaissance drone boats that it was recently in the news because the Iranians tried hauling one in till a US carrier group showed up in response.
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  793. Hood had useful protection against alaska's guns, alaska had no immune zone to hoods guns. It would be a one sided curb stomp.
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  794. Scharnhorst had 14" armor belt alaska had like 8". Scharnhorst had battleship amount of armor and Alaska had just enough to protect it from conventional 8" treaty heavy cruisers. Scharnhorst could have rejected alaska's guns down to 18k yards and Scharnhorsts guns could have penetrated alaska at 30 k yards
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  795. While I'm not sure a capital sized ship with subcapital guns is the best of ideas it would have been interesting to see if they had been used.
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  796. Well if the war started circa 44 the US would probably have all 6 iowas and started the Montanas
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  797.  @AndrewBaker-ym3mk  not that I'm aware of but it'd be an interesting concept
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  798.  @ashesofempires04  well oilers to be able to make shorter ranged craft like destroyers or even Schnellboots have oceanic range could have had an interesting effect.
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  799. So knowing that the Germans didn't have the escorts or aircraft to make a carrier viable, what if they had either another Bismarck or finished a h39 instead of the graf Zeppelin and a 4th Deutschland and a 4th Hipper instead of the attempts at light carrier conversations. How much do you think another battleship and 2 heavy cruisers would have helped? And in the vein of your mentioned lost destroyers and konigsbergs crappy light cruisers I'm sure Bismarck would have loved to have the extra AA fire from an escort even if said escort wasn't especially good against other ships. A few more destroyers and konigsbergs may have led to Tirpitz actually getting out for pq17 as it turned back when the two deutschlands and 3 destroyers escorting them ran aground before they could meet with Tirpitz. If Tirpitz and Hipper had more escorts without the deutschlands and thier destroyers it may have left anyway.
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  800. 1980s would not have been a good time for hot cold war. Johnny Walker red gave the ruskies all the naval encryption codes in the 80s
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  801. Ok what if the Germans had tried the WWII commerce raiding with capital ships strategy in WWI with the much closer to parity High seas fleet. I can't imagine the British sending capital ships with every single convoy and some battle cruisers would make short work of whatever destroyers and cruisers are sent as anti submarine escort.
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  802. Well with you not knowing why this one got demonitized I'm assuming the pearl harbor what if alt hist done it. The US govt is weird about that subject
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  803. In the US an age of sail cannon is simply considered a muzzleloader. Nothing special required to own it just need to be 18+ and have the money and space for it.
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  804. On your Lexington class get X weight from dropping a turret assessment the Lexington class as planned had 9" barbette and 11" turret face. Idk whether you are using a Lexington thickness for the calculation or something more inline with what they are trying to armour up to type thickness but either way interesting to hear about
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  805. One definite what if butterfly is that if Jean Bart had been fully operational during operation torch the Texas and New York where the closest battleships to have sent along with Massachusetts if they wanted to make it an unfair fight.
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  806. Alaska
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  807. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vdvGyWjOObM
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  808. Knowing how flawed the indefatigable class are would the RN have been better off with colossus class battle ships
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  809.  @eiwtsexiang  you would have better protection from cruisers and destroyers with bigger secondary but 8" guns are a lot heavier than 6" and those are a lot heavier than 4"-5" so you are essentially wasting weight that could be used on armour or bigger/more main guns for better secondary.
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  810. Last time I was this early I hadn't almost gotten myself killed Sunday.
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  811. I don't foresee the US leaning towards the Entente if Britain attacked a neutral and peaceful Netherlands. I also don't see the US taking kindly to it if Japan moved to take the Dutch east indies. That plan has more butterflies than the entire monarch migration.
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  812. Also nagato had smaller bursting charge than most 16"
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  813.  @deaks25  well a 12 15s was one of the potential ideas for H41 if they ran into development problems with the 42cm.
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  814. Well for how UK and Germany end up allied in alternate WWII easiest way for that is France and possibly USSR to declare war on both in response to the Anglo-German naval treaty.
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  815. Well pushed ahead because someone's pet project is definitely a good description of the Alaska class which was FDR's pet project. If it wasn't the POTUS' pet project I'm pretty sure King, Nimitz etc would rather have had the man hours and steel from those be put into finishing Illinois and Kentucky if it had to be spent on big gun ships or even better More Essex class
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  816. If course if they got to keep Nassaus instead well an 11" ship wouldn't have been able to do much that the predreads couldn't do, just slightly faster and a few more of those 11" guns for shore bombardments. I don't even think with improved Scharnhorst 11s they could have been a threat.
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  817.  @hendrikbootha7285  Making treaty tonnage is the only reason it didn't so if treaty wasn't a concern they would. Now if you was trying to stick to the treaty and thinned down armour in order to do it not sure that would have been brilliant
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  818. Well on a heavy vs normal load speed difference Bismarck specifically was at least 1&1/2 knots slower with its super heavy war load and extra crew for prizes etc than with its design load because it was sub 31 knots with heavy and over 32 knots with design load
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  819. I have a bit of a odd request, what can you tell me about the US pc461 class of submarine chaser. I ask because my grandpa was on such a ship during the war (PC 578 iirc)
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  820. The Kawachi that is all big gun but hexagonal and has different barrel length for main 2 turrets vs broadside 4 turrets could be argued to be the absolute ultimate predread even though it's generally considered a first gen dreadnought
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  821. Well if they had 300 type IIs after the fall of France the channel would be a no go too.
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  822. If a less out of date standard than oklahoma which only had 10 14" guns and triple expansion engines, had been damaged similarly might it have been brought back into service.
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  823. This is madness.
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  824. Last time I was this early this was uss texas
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  825. Well since you hinted at it what if Japan did commit Kongo and Haruna after South Dakota was off for repair and it was Washington and whatever light forces against both of them?
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  826. Can confirm, having been to the UK before the sky should be gray.
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  827. Gee I wonder how this battle goes ....
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  828. Drachus servat vetus schola hodie
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  829. Something I noticed recently when looking at ap shell stats is that in WWI the Imperial German navy often had very generous bursting charges similar and in some cals even more than British and definitely more than an American or Japanese of similar caliber. In WWII the Kriegsmarine didn't use especially large bursting charges where definitely well below British charges of similar caliber and even below American of similar caliber. Is there a specific reason you think they went to the opposite extreme from one war to the next.
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  830. Epic fail. If the beacon disagrees with your calculations you need to figure out the situation and not just be like fuck it my calculations are correct
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  831. I'm familiar with why but like I said if they had managed to make it a triple instead of a twin when the quad was too heavy upping the caliber would have been an option on the later ones
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  832.  @polygondwanaland8390  probably couldn't have fought them effectively but it could have run away
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  833.  @bkjeong4302  well are they spending the money on different surface ships like cruisers and destroyers, or are they spending it on aircraft carriers, or are they spending it on submarines, or are they just not spending it on the Navy and putting that in army/airforce. Because which one probably matters
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  834. Idk if the small club that was doing it back in the day is still doing it but back in the 80s and 90s there was a club doing the RC ships with airguns thing here in Knoxville, TN at the World's Fair site. I'm trying to remember if it was Saturday or Sunday mornings.
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  835. The solution to making a weapon ambidextrous in this era is teach the lefties to shoot right handed
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  836. Another big negative on the graf Zeppelin is that the Germans chose to quit working on a fairly far along H 39 in order to keep it. As the Graf never got operational I'd say finishing a H 39 would have been a better idea.
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  837. There was some work on a extend wing torpedo bomber variant of a 190 so that may have been an idea that was in mind but ultimately never went into service.
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  838. What are the books/articles/etc available in German for those who may like to use it as practice for our German we learned but rarely get to use?
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  839. How inefficient is 10 guns in 4 turrets vs 9 guns in 3 turrets? Also how does that compare to 10 guns in 5 twins WWI iron duke layout. I know more turrets is less efficient generally but I'm wondering by what margin or percentage
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  840.  @jamesd3472  abusing future knowledge hindsight that Hood gets one shoted I suppose so, because a ship that doesn't take a golden bb is going to be better than one that does by virtue of doing SOMETHING But that is abusing knowledge that Hood is lost. In theory a Hood that doesn't go boom is more useful than a Nelson as the enemy doesn't have the option to Nope out of there if they don't like the match.
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  841. How would it have changed things if the clauses about not selling the non retained ships only applied to the 13 point something and up ships?
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  842.  @arivael  something that may have made a difference on treaty battleships if someone had tried it would be a 8 guns in 3 turrets arrangement. Making the superfiring turret a twin instead of a triple would save a good bit of weight having a narrower turret and barbette and a marginally shorter citidel.
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  843. If Britain had scrapped Hood in order to get a third Nelson do you think they would have held onto Tiger over one of the Iron Dukes due to the shortage of battlecruisers?
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  844. Well on the racial relations thing idk in other countries but in the US there was much more racism stuff like Jim Crow laws post civil war than there would have been on a black freeman pre civil war. Now the former slave states are quite obvious but even the non slave states that seemingly cared enough about black people to fight a war to free them didn't want anything to do with them when they started moving north out of the previously slave states. "Not in my back yard" types were a thing even 150 years ago.
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  845.  @davidharner5865  well one V one absolutely but if you had like 4v1 or something that is a situation where you may want to run away
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  846.  @galbert117  the most directly comparable ships to Colorado are the Nelson and Nagato classes. A lot of more modern treaty ships wheren't so much better on guns and armor they were just faster and had current fire control before the Colorado class got that in upgrades. For example the North Carolina class has less armor and one more of the same gun. South Dakota's inclined 12" belt is relatively comparable to 13.5" slab sided Colorado and only 1 more of the same gun. Bismarck, Litorrio, and Richlieu only have 15" guns and less armor.
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  847.  @Captain_Seafort  I'm not sure the exact specs to tell you armor thickness but the last time the US was looking at Battle cruisers was when the Wyoming class battleships got built instead. Since it's a instead of Wyoming it would presumably have 12" guns because the US not having 14" guns yet is why the Wyoming class was built instead of New York class being a year or two sooner. If the US built a 12" battle cruiser after Britain had the Lions and Japan the Kongos and Germany the Derrflingers it would hopefully be armored closer to Derrflinger than Invincible if they didn't want it to be obsolete on launch The big butterfly to me isn't how would it be as a battle cruiser it's how would it be as a carrier conversion because if you have a battle cruiser Wyoming as a disarmed AA training ship you can't tell me that that thing isn't getting a flat top once the treaty collapses
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  848.  @kingswagii1607  basically with the hull form the standards had they wasn't going to get it fast enough to actually matter (Nagato speed or higher) They did put the machinery from the Colorado class USS Washington scrapped by WNT in the smaller Arizona in the 30s and it only boosted it to like 22.5 knots which is maybe enough speed to force a fight with a Fuso/Ise and not enough to run from anything. If you had a hull form to get to say 25 knots or more with a reasonable amount of extra power where you could force a fight with a Nagato and run from a Fuso/Ise I'm sure the USN would have been much more interested in looking into it.
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  849. I hear they wrote sorry on thier depth charges
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  850. I'm glad I have had plenty of TP since before there was a panic
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  851.  @Shaun_Jones  swordfish torpedo to the rudder .
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  852. Do you think the Americans and Japanese would have allowed Britain to build some small short range coastal defense battleships similar to the swedish Sverige for Canada and Australia without counting against capital ship numbers if they had pressed for it in the Washington and/or London treaties.
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  853. From what I understand the Washington and Duke of York where at least a day behind the convoy and in different directions from the convoy (so they would likely have arrived one at a time) also Tirpitz would have had Lutzow and Admiral Scheer which would have been 11" backup fire
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  854. Can't wait for the schedule of the US tour. I'll probably make one of the southeastern dates like Mobile or Charleston or Wilmington depending on the schedule.
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  855. Got a link to the German jet boat article? I'd be interested in seeing what I can make of it.
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  856. IIRC some of the more outlandish claims not supported by the actual report was said by the narrator of the TV program, so if someone only seen the show and never read the report they may genuinely believe it even though it's wrong
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  857. If they had taken the 9.4"guns from these as the predreadnoughts were removed from service and used them to make a class of armoured cruisers how useful would a class of 9.4" armed armoured cruisers have been for the Kaiserliche Marine?
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  858. As low as it was anyway possibly the new Admiral class submarine
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  859.  @simonpitt8145  it's not just a America needs a bigger better ship thing it's a Iowa is a post treaty ship it is probably better compared with other post treaty designs whether it be our design Montana, Japan's big boi Yamato, Britain's post treaty designs like Lion and Vanguard, rather than to the 35,000 tonners that are no where near as big as their Navy's could have built or wanted to build.
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  860. I tend to consider the Montana design as the contemporary battleship to the Iowa as the SD/NC were held back to comply with treaty.
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  861. I'd consider Iowa a battle cruiser because it's armour is rather meh compared to contemporary battleships both made and paper like Yamato, KGV, Vanguard, and Montana and even G3 Hood is definitely a fast battleship at the time it's made it's similarly armoured to contemporary battleships like QE/R and Standards, Bayern although it's probably battle cruiser by WWII standards when there's stuff like Yamato, Iowa, etc out there.
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  862. Although they wasn't selected as the designs to run with there was rejected designs that wasn't the Bismarck style 4 twins.
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  863. If the American and British lost this many ships in 1918 do you think they would have signed the Washington naval treaty as soon as historical? If the Wyoming and New York classes (the best pre standards) are potentially write offs or close to it I can see the USN wanting the Colorado class Washington and some of the Lexington and or South Dakota 1920 classes before making a treaty. Also I'd like to point out that WWI Renown and Repulse had the same 6" of armor as the Invincible class not the 9" of WWII and the 13.5" battle cruisers so they would actually be unarmored tender boxes full of explodium that could potentially take an 11" shell straight through the armor belt and into a magazine. My money is on both of them going full Queen Mary
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  864.  @gregorywright4918  although you would have the deck armor problem the Big 5 (Colorado and Tennessee classes) had a bit of extra machinery space built in compared with Pennsylvania and New Mexico classes where they could potentially have been bumped up to around Queen Elizabeth speed if they had been refit in an era before they needed massive torpedo bulges.
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  865. Well since you are first to mention hunting I guess I'll go ahead and mention I'm that in the unlikely event Drach is into motorcycles I happen to be in an area with especially famous fun twisty roads including the especially well known tail of the dragon
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  866. If SMS Blücher somehow by some handwave managed to not get sank and made it to Jutland do you think it would have been with the battle cruisers or do you think it would have been with the fleet screen
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  867.  @gwtpictgwtpict4214  well it was built in a British yard, I'm sure they had to clean it out to convert to Vegemite storage
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  868. Perhaps even more interesting is how fast did Rodney get trying to run down Gneisenau
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  869. How the Brits vs Americans did with the Washington and London treaties there's also what the Brits could have legally done vs what they actually had the money for. If the Brits had money to modernize the rest of the QEs, Repulse, Hood, the Nelrods, and replace all their "experimental" carriers they could have done more than the US could have modernizing the standards.
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  870. How many did they have? That is the answer
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  871.  @Billy_Annizarry  I'm assuming you are talking about H 39 since everything after that wasn't even started. Lion is probably on paper better because more armour and British radar tended to be a little better, but honestly with 16" shells flying both ways whomever finds the range first probably wins .
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  872. Unless the camera has a lot more zoom to the lens than it looks like I suspect the range was closer than the estimates based on the video from onboard Prinz Eugen. Hood looks too big to be upper teens of thousands of yards away.
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  873. Since an actually efficiently designed Bismarck starts to look a lot like HMS Vanguard how would you rate an efficient Bismarck that has Bismarcks guns,turrets, and fire control but hull and armor wise use HMS Vanguard figures.
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  874.  @johnperetin5944  AFAIK the 1.1 functioned well it just didn't have the punch of the 40.
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  875. Well with unmade paper ships ones that didn't get made in time for the war they was in would possibly have made more difference than designs passed over for a historical design. Mackensen and Ersatz Yorck would have completely put everything about the battle cruiser fight at Jutland if they got handwaved into existence on it's head as the 13.5" battle cruisers of the British had nothing like the armour for fighting them not to mention 13.8" and 15" guns on them may well have put down some of the QEs of 5th battle squadron that got pretty badly shot up historically. Barham, Maylaya, and Warspite took some bad hits even from 12s and 11s at the ranges it happened, I don't think 15s and 13.8s are going to be good for their health. If the ships the Ottomans wanted to buy got built and delivered before war were declared and the Brits nicked them that's a couple of more central powers ships and a couple of less Allied. If Salamis gets completed before war were declared the Greeks have a battleship, and if it doesn't get completed before the war but the US delivers the 14" guns to the shipyard in Germany before war were declared it's potentially another German battleship and one with 14" guns Since shinano was rubbish as a carrier conversion it being completed as a 3rd Yamato would have been more useful for the IJN. If the US could handwave the Montana and the King-Nimitz Iowas into existence they would have found a use for them.
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  876. While I don't know of such a design existing even on paper, a "predread Yamato" without actually going dreadnought and putting more than 2 turrets of big guns on it could be if someone reacted to the semi dreadnought problem of 8-9" guns having splashes too close to 12" shells in size by going up to 14ish inch main guns on a semi dreadnought if there had been time to do so before dreadnoughts became a thing. If you had a 14ish inch main guns on a semi dreadnought where it's main and secondary could easily be told apart plus a ship large enough for 14s has more of it's heavy 8-9" secondaries than conventional 12" semi dreadnought by virtue of being a bigger ship generally with maybe more armour because bigger ship and maybe have it a little faster than other semi and pre dreadnoughts because it's a very late one with turbines like historical Danton, 14ish inch main, especially large battery of 8 or 9 point something secondaries, 20 or 21 knot turbine powered semi dreadnought would be a Yamato of predreadnoughts if someone has such a ship designed before dreadnought. Infact such a hypothetical ship vs a 1st gen dreadnought would be an interesting what if scenario.
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  877.  @connormclernon26  yes and no. Wilhelm Canaris who was the head of German Naval intelligence was also a British MI6 double agent.
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  878. If the Ise class hadn't been converted into carrier hybrids I wonder how they may have helped the Fusos at thier last stand
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  879. With the battle damage causing mechanical gremlins topic, PoW was damaged by Luftwaffe bombing while it was under construction, do you suspect this could have contributed to it's gun issues at Denmark straight?
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  880. Well if the wyomings had a 4 triple layout like tegethof instead of the 6 twins it could have been upgunned to twin 14s.
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  881. As Arkansas was doing convoy escort while the Germans still had battleships I think Arkansas vs Scharnhorst would be a good ship v ship question
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  882. Since anything as big as a battleship still in use by the USN is nuclear, presumably if they was to spend more money than it's worth to repower one that's what it would likely be. So how fast would a BBN Iowa go would be an interesting if technically rediculous question.
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  883. Google some of the distances of your trip legs and realize that the estimate is just driving time and not counting rest/fuel stops or unexpected weather/traffic delays if you are driving them.
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  884. Royal oak wasn't a planned refit, it was damaged while on a Neutrality patrol during the Spanish civil war, so it got a mild modernization during repairs
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  885.  @bluemarlin8138  well the flight deck is certainly a legit factor. As far as speed is concerned that 28 knots is with 1910s coal fired large tube boilers, if it's modernized especially as a carrier where you don't need weight for armour with 1930s oil fired small tube boilers it should be able to hit similar speeds to Kongo
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  886. The French had some amazing looking ships after they had the tumblehome guy drowned in a vat of Brie
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  887.  @davidchambers8697  when you was building a new class every year and a 10 year old ship was obsolete something like the R made sense. If you could say build 8 of them for what 5 queen elizabeths cost they are going to win a battle of the 2 because quantity has a quality unto itself. They didn't make sense once you had a treaty and wasn't building more battleships for about 20 years or so, then the slight speed and displacement advantage became a big deal.
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  888.  @jonsouth1545  I said along the lines of because it could be a different letter of cancelled design.
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  889. 2:45:07 the building 4 admirals and a bunch of 28 knot small tube QEs is the 80+%doing everything right version of that. The worst case scenario is the Parliament looks at what is the least expensive and fastest to produce current gen ships (the Rs) and it makes all Rs all the way down
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  890.  @strixaluco7423  like a gun armed courageous wouldn't too
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  891. Well a 1920s/30s Britain and Japan vs US could easily have turned into alternate WWII as other countries got involved. US could have easily taken Canada with land forces US was an exporter of oil in the WWII era Britain and Japan both imported oil, so good luck fueling the grand fleet The French would probably be disturbed by a hostile expanding Britain as they was by an expanding Germany in historical timeline so France would likely go to war with Britain. If the US and France was both at war with Britain I could forsee them allowing Weimar Germany to rearm if it declared war with Britain Italy would probably try to ride Britain's coattails as it did Germany's in historical timeline I could see Spain joining Britain and Japan and Italy as a distraction from the problems that lead to the Spanish Civil war in historical timeline and payback on the US for the Spanish American war
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  892. If when the British's fast capital fleet consisted solely of KGV Tirpitz and KGV went at it and Tirpitz won what would be next for Britain.... Do they make Vanguard a priority? Do they restart the Lions? Do they do Italian style refits to Nelson and Rodney? Do they do a QE style refit on Maylaya? Do they patiently wait for DoY, Anson, and Howe to finish? Do they pressure the US to keep more in the Atlantic?
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  893. Well a little bit of tungsten goes a long way because you are talking like single digit percentages on tungsten steel alloys
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  894. I'd say if the us agreed to let AUS keep HMAS Australia the US would have insisted on transferring one of its 12" ships to Phillipenes instead of scraping it
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  895.  @davidrenton  and just because that's the case in 2023 doesn't mean it was necessarily the case in the past when some now gone or mostly gone generations was around
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  896. Militaries I'm aware of didn't do left handed rifles. Their approach was "congratulations soldier you are now right handed and will learn to shoot right handed" One of the few accomodations I can think of is that since revolvers are pretty much ambidextrous and USGI M1911 semi auto pistols are definitely right handed if you was wrong handed you could get issued a WWI leftover M1917 revolver if you was a lefty.
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  897. If by some time traveling shenanigans you are able to get Royal oak to trade assignments with a less modernized R class and both save the better ship and Drachs great Uncle while you are at it, how much better was Royal Oak than the other Rs? Would it still have been doing convoy escort like the other R class or would it be in the Mediterranean with the Queen Elizibeths
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  898. Kind of a pitty there wasn't a big naval war in the Iron clad era when the weird and wonderful was being made
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  899. Last time I was this early to a April fools Queen Victoria was christening HMS By Jove
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  900. That is the joke
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  901. An extra turret for 1 additional barrel seems rather inefficient. I think they would have been better off sticking with 12 guns in triples and using the extra displacement for speed, armour, or both. If they had all triples they could have upgunned to 14s instead of reboring 12s to 12.6
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  902.  @ronnieince4568  das stimmt
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  903. I made it to the end, it may have been a bit much
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  904. Gotta love the weird and wacky iron clads that aren't that much less weird than the fictional HMS By Jove from the April Fool's video
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  905. Well for a news traveling slowly pre radio the Confederate raider Shenandoah was in the Pacific raiding Union Whalers until November 1865
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  906.  @kemarisite  without looking up stats I have no idea whether the shell system would be compatible or not I was just thinking of hand waving all logistics problems aside and putting the extra velocity on the more modern British shells and the extra jumbo bursting charges
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  907. Well the KGV 14" shell out of a US 14" 50 cal from a later standard sounds like it could be an interesting different shell/gun
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  908. At the end of the war Nagato had the radar set made for Shinano before it was converted to carrier. If it had that at Samar how much difference would it have made
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  909.  @tomaseidtner8116  well I suppose how much predreads being faster helps their viability in the dreadnought era depends on whether dreadnaught is still 21 knots(where small tube predreads may be as fast) or whether a small tube dreadnought is suddenly like QE fast and like 25ish knots. If it's the Former, well if they can keep up they are probably useful for as long as 12" armed dreadnaughts are useful, like till everyone has super dreadnaughts. If it's the latter it's same as historical just with higher numbers.
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  910. If Iron Duke which was still around but disarmed had been rearmed during WWII how would Iron Duke fair if escorting a convoy attacked by Scharnhorst and Gneisenau
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  911. Battleship name that is
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  912. Well of the 4 potential museum ships mentioned I'd like to point out that Nevada and West Virginia are both land locked and most of the museum ships saved are in their home state (and all the ones that aren't Iowa class are in their home state) So realistically if we had one it'd be California or Pennsylvania.
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  913. If the High Seas fleet had Mackensens for Jutland do you think Warspite would have survived it's stuck in a circle experience or do you think it's plot armour would have been overmatched.
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  914. The 2nd amendment is the one the US used to develop the AA placement scheme for WWII.
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  915. And that was before it's WWII refit with a bunch of 20mm and 40 mm AA weapons
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  916. Surprised we didn't get an April Fools sponsored by Raid Shadow Legends
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  917. Pretty much which ever side I'm playing wins in this scenario. I'm guessing it comes down to whoever gets lucky.
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  918. The thunderer badge there looks similar to a IBEW electrician union logo
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  919. So with the bible verses did anyone use Ezekiel 25:17?
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  920. In full battleships I don't know how much difference 12s on the ships that historically had 11s would make. 12s are going to have trouble with true battleship armour anyway not to mention just the Nassaus had 11s in them anyway. They would need to do something like put mackensen 13.8" guns on a battleship to make a real difference. In battle cruisers well the lion and it's spin offs could resist 11" shells but 12 " not so much. So if all the battle cruisers had 12s or bigger instead of just derrflingers the entire British battle cruiser force could well have been lost or badly shot up. Another what if is the Germans had considered but ultimately didn't make, a 32cm (12.6") gun for the könig class. The reason for the odd size is it was compatable. With the shell lift system for the 12" so it could have been upgunned for less money and time than something even bigger. they could potentially have started doing that to any or all of the 12" ships when in for a refit and not just the königs
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  921.  @philipprucz3099  not sure what would be special or secret about Deutschland class they are basically warmed over WWI 11" Scharnhorst super heavy 11" was actually began as an Army railroad gun for shelling the Maginot line before the navy even started on the Scharnhorst class. Basically made to get better penetration than WWI 11" but have as reasonable of a rate of fire as a railroad gun was going to have with manual loading
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  922. Last time I was this early the blueprints were still trees
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  923. Rather sucks that the fuel prices have gone full retard as Drach's America trip is approaching.
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  924. Something else to consider is that the Royal Navy keept a significant force in the Mediterranean, so it's Atlantic and Pacific fleet numbers may be smaller than you would assume based off it's overall fleet size, at least till they redeployed it based on fighting the US specifically
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  925. Do you think the Germans would have attempted to use this contraption if they captured it or just melted it down to use the steel to make a couple of regular U-boats
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  926. http://www.navweaps.com/index_nathan/Penetration_Britain.php 15"/42 could pretty much penetrate anything actually built out to the range you can actually hit it, but a 16 has more explosive when it gets there and can penetrate a little more if your enemies ever built something more heavily armoured like the paper battleships 14" definitely don't compare well, they need to be closer to penetrate some of the heavier stuff that existed and that's not to mention if paper stuff got built.
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  927. http://www.navweaps.com/index_nathan/Penetration_Britain.php The 15"/ 42 Cal will pretty much penetrate the thicknesses of armour actually produced out to the ranges you can actually expect to hit to, obviously a 16" is going to have a bigger bursting charge and be able to penetrate more armour at a longer range if your enemies started building heavier armoured paper battleships that didn't get made irl like H series and super yamatos. 14" definitely doesn't compare as well with either may have to get like 16km to penetrate enemies that a 15 would penetrate at over 20km.
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  928. Although the naval budget circa 1876 is basically nothing the US has a large occupation army in the former CSA states for reconstruction at this time so a land invasion of Canada isn't entirely out of the cards although the US would largely be using leftover Civil War surplus instead of cutting edge hardware. If a war didn't break out until 1877 the US demobilizes the reconstruction troops so puny army but 1876 the reconstruction troops could be marched North
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  929. Nice, a Collab with Matt Easton
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  930. Just don't wear your armour in parliament
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  931. New York class, they have radar.
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  932. How nasty of a warship could be designed to fit the river lock system for the US Army corps of engineers managed river systems in the US with thier dimensions of 600 ft long 110 foot beam and 9 foot draft guaranteed minimums
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  933. Just think if in an Alternate reality where the powers that be cared more about future history than in our reality the TN could have been in Memphis on the Mississippi River and maybe Arkansas too.
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  934. I'll go with not having 16" earlier. While I'm sure the 14" 50s on the TNs and NMs would have been fine against Nagatos and Fusos and anything was fine against a Kongo if you had to take a standard against a Yamato you would have wanted the 16s like a Colorado
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  935. Ceramic was a thing that existed in the gun armed ship era that could have a use if it was looked into. It's even harder than armour steel although it's brittle. If you had a layer of ceramic tiles over your armour steel it could possibly have shattered rounds that would not have done so from the armour steel alone.
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  936.  @Alex-cw3rz  also good although I suspect three turret armament forward may have been more likely if they had triple 15s or 16s than quad 14s. A 9 15s in 3 triples KGV on a Nelson layout would certainly be a solid ship.
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  937. Well even if it wasn't considered the armament forward KGV idea sounds fun. You could either make it stupidly fast or stupidly well armoured on treaty tonnage.
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  938. 2nd Pacific squadron has competition
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  939.  @michelangelobuonarroti4958  well if Fuso/Ise had the 4 triple arrangement but the same speed/armour etc when they did the battle carrier conversion it would have 6 guns in the front 2; turrets instead of 4. That would make it somewhat more useful in a gunfight than historical Ise conversion.
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  940. Pretty sure the best Predread is Danton if for no other reason it's marginally faster and has turbines.
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  941. I'm one of the ones who will plan on seeing Drach whilst he's on my side of the pond. Where there's an ocean between us that probably means I won't get to do most of the OTHER things he posts about attending.
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  942. Well first gen super dreadnought is pretty simple to define it's 10 or less 14ish inch guns. 2nd gen super is where you have the issue of whether 15 and 16 get their own category or lumped in with the 12 14inch
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  943. Big advantage of regularly giving private dock yards contracts instead of doing it all in house with govt yards is that if the private companies get contracts regularly they will build yard space and equipment, and you have that on top of your own govt capacity. If you only do govt in house yards you have to directly pay for every bit of capacity you have.
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  944. All the dakkas
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  945. Cheat. Everyone else does
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  946. Clearly the admiral that liked to coal smoke his kippers hadn't been promoted yet
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  947.  @ibbi32  Im sure the Royal Navy could come up with enough battleships, carriers, or both to take it down if it came out and they had intelligence of it, although the question could end up being do they have enough fast units because Tirpitz could just nope out of there if slow battleships like Nelsons, Queen Elizibeths, or Rs were sent, but from your question it sounded like you was asking if the Russians had it and no the Russians didn't have carriers and Ganguts aren't going to take on Tirpitz and win.
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  948. Well on the 1941 USN vs Bismarck id like to point out that for sure the Big 5 (CO and TN classes) the PA Class and the NV class where all most definitely in the Pacific in 1941 so if the USN was deployed as historically until the hunt starts you are looking at the NY class and AR as North Carolina's backup.
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  949.  @kakwa  guess the question is do they build Better CLs in addition to the bunches of CAs or if they built them instead of the CAs
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  950. I'm only talkin bout shaft
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  951. If a Deutschland class pocket battleship had been Bismark's escort instead of the Prinz Eugen do you think crippled Prince of Wales manages to limp away after hood is sunk? Also do you think Norfolk and Suffolk get away?
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  952. Would putting torpedo battleship amounts of torpedoes on a carrier have been a better idea than 8 inch guns in the era before aircraft were good for much besides scouting in like the 20s?
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  953. As far as a type that could have been built earlier, other than the fact there wasn't anything that needed that big of a response there's no real reason someone couldn't have built a ship similar to Orion/Bretagne/New York at around the same time as dreadnought. There was certainly liners and stuff bigger it's not like you couldn't make a power plant that big and 13.5 and larger guns had already been a thing in the ironclad era, they just chose to gu up in number of 12 in turrets in a gradual expansion instead of going straight there for practical and logistical reasons
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  954. Another possibility for an alternate force if Phillipenes had been delayed until December or so the Dragoon bombardment forces came to the Pacific theater from the Atlantic and the recently repaired Idaho also joined them There was a rather large cruiser force for dragoon and there was also the battleships Nevada, New York, Texas, and Arkansas and of course the recently repaired Idaho joined them after they got to the west coast. Something more speculative but is within the realm of possibility is that historically the Wisconsin was sent to the Carolines in Dec but if Phillipenes was happening right then instead of having already happened it could have been sent to the Philippines with the dragoon force.
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  955. Alabama is the closest of the museum BBs to me, so if I manage to make it to a Drach meet up that'd be most likely. Iirc last Drach trip the Southeast stops ended up being while I was on a cruise I had planned before I knew the dates on Drach trip, so in the sunny Caribbean instead of the US while that was going on.
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  956. The Yamatos made the US have to put more carrier assets on them specifically than they would have needed to if they where treaty ships that were something closer to a fast Nagato. Still not the best idea but at least a better idea than treaty ships.
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  957.  @usssouthdakota5541  iirc they was around 22 knots with coal fired boilers, so they may have gotten around 24 knots with oil fired so similar to a Queen Elizibeth. It wouldn't be fast enough for commerce raiding but I'm sure it could have come in handy during the Norway campaign and any of the shore bombardment the Schliesen and Schleswig-holstein got into historically they could have done better.
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  958.  @jcalvert6666  scharnhorst had oversized turrets that was bigger than strictly necessary for triple 11s for a planned future upgrade to twin 15s. The Deutschland class was actually made for triple 11s. It wasn't big enough for twin 15s.
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  959.  tokul76  well at least one battle a Hipper would have been better for is river Platte. It would have been able to nope out of there and not fight the 3 british cruisers.
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  960.  @Billy_Annizarry  if they have up patrols and see the Scharnhorsts before they get there they could simply nope out of there and launch after in a safer position. If they don't have up patrols or patrols are too half added and miss them it takes a hour to launch a carrier strike it's not press Kidō Butai button and the sky darkens with aircraft instantly. So it could be hilariously better if all goes well or a bunch more escorts go down along with glorious if they still manage to mess it up.
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  961.  @kemarisite  and the assumption about penetrating just the 5" strake is based on the hood exploding range in the upper teens of yards, PoW closed to around 9k yards(estimates vary from 8,800-9,400) before turning away because Prinz Eugen was setting up a torpedo run if it had continued to close. at 9,000 yards I'd imagine most armour on both ships would be vulnerable to a 11" hit if Hood hadn't suffered sudden existence failure
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  962.  @Volunteer-per-order_OSullivan  I would imagine that depends if they are able to complete it during the war or not. If not I'd take a Vanguard over a couple of 9.2" super cruisers but if you can complete it during the war well there's Hippers and Deutschlands out there for it to fight as well as a bunch of Japanese heavy cruisers
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  963.  @narcosman  well if the thing that caused them to be phased out went away I'd say that's a yes.
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  964. Does drach or any of the other regulars in the comments play battle of warships on the mobile devices? It's rather arcade ship stats and game play rather than realistic sim.
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  965. On the Bismarck vs contemporaries you missed South Dakota class as a comparison
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  966. The Scotts clearly need to stay in thier lane and stick to whisky after seeing the"coffee"
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  967.  @jadog1235  depends which colorado class BB. West Virginia with it's late war radar that is going to be better than Bismarcks is a easy win for it, but the CO and MD which have earlier radar I'd probably put money on Bismarck because of its radar and fire control. Also with the massive speed advantage it can close if it needs to, hold range if it needs to, and run away if it needs to. Also even though US 16 inch have big penetration they don't have especially good bursting charges, so not like a big explosive advantage.
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  968.  @francescomietta2625  probably similar to renown as a modernization of a similar era ship
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  969. I see what you did there. For 1941 start of Pacific war Hood had already gotten Bismarcked
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  970. How about if a Deutschland class replaced Prinz Eugen in the Bismarck vs Hood and Prince of Wales.
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  971. German and French arms race vs Deutschland vs Dunkurque Dunkurque vs Scharnhorst Scharnhorst vs Richelieu Richelieu vs Bismarck
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  972. One thing you didn't mention in the Iron Duke vs Texas vs Bretagne is that the turret face and barbette armour on Iron Duke is thinner than it's main belt armor and in fact the barbette armour is as thin as Bretagne's main belt Texas' barbettes are as thick as it's main belt and it's turret faces thicker than it's main belt. So Texas can potentially take down Iron Duke's turrets at longer range than it can penetrate the main belt. Probably not enough to change that Iron Duke has the advantage but maybe changes the percentage
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  973. Scharnhorst vs Arkansas
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  974. One mistake is the size of escort fleet on PQ 17. The reason Tirpitz didn't sail was the Lutzow and 3 destroyers ran around before meeting up with Tirpitz. Had Lutzow not ran around Lutzow and Admiral Scheer and thier destroyers where to meet up with Tirpitz, Admiral Hipper, and escorts. So on the PQ 17 scenarios the Germans would have had 3 heavy cruisers, 2 of which were Deutschland class with 11" guns.
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  975. So something similar to your Texas vs Iron Duke vs Bretagne three way Colorado vs Nelson vs Nagato
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  976. Pretty sure warspite would take that. If a 14" standard was going to take a queen Elizabeth I'd say a 12 gun class like PA, NM, or TN would be more likely than the 10 gun NV
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  977. @James Sumpter Honestly it's thinly enough armoured that anything battleship would puncture it and all the US 14" ships have 10 or more guns to a Kongo's 8. You are probably looking at getting down to 12" US ships and even then it's still not a given
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  978. Definitely not a fanboi of French ships.
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  979. WWI British tank armour is basically AR450, does the same hold true for ships?
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  980. In addition to the splendid cats being at risk at Jutland if Lutzow and Derrflinger are 35cm armed ships remember that Barham, Maylaya, and Warspite got shot up pretty bad and where at some risk at Jutland so one or more of those maybe getting lost is at least a possibility.
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  981. Well I'm fortunate enough to know what my Grandpa's Submarine chaser looks like because it slipped it's tow rope when being scrapped after the war and sank about 2.5 miles outside the Mouth of Pearl Harbor and was actually found by a ROV while researchers where looking for the Japanese minisub also sank in the area. If you want to look it up USS PC 578 is in 1200 feet of water about 2.5 miles outside of Pearl Harbor. There are lots of ROV pics of it on the bottom.
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  982. Japanese fire safety , to catch on fire is dishonorable, don't be dishonorable.
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  983. Or recreate one of the what if questions like 7th fleet vs Center force
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  984. Yorktown with bad machinery damage was making something like 14 knots before the strike that put her under. If that strike had not occurred would the US have scuttled her after the battle or would Yamato and the Kongos possibly close in and sink her.
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  985. You know you are getting old when you think of the first Terminator movie instead of Jurassic Park when you see the spas 12
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  986. If Richelieu had been mobile and a threat to Massachusetts at torch Texas, New York, and Arkansas where all in the area doing shore bombardment. A multi ship battle line would have been more of a possibility than a Massachusetts Richelieu duel
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  987.  @GearGuardianGaming  you obviously missed the point of the joke, way to go Buzz Killington
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  988. Hope you had a merry Christmas and whatever boxing 🥊 day is
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  989. Speaking of 32 cm guns the imperial Germans considered going up to a 32 cm gun on the König class (actual new made not rebored) as it was the biggest that would have been comparable with the ammunition lift system after learning of the British 13.5" and plans of 15". Would the difference in penetration and bursting charge have been worth the slight delay of making a new size of gun
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  990.  Nguyen Johnathan  another elephant in the room is that IF the allies let Germany keep the Nassaus they would have had the helogolands too(those two classes wasn't seized until after the scuttling of the classes the allies wanted at scapa flow) The 12 inch helogolands would have slightly better firepower and didn't have quite as bad of a reputation for stability issues. Also if they had 12 inch ships still in service the Scharnhorsts may have gotten an improved 12 instead of an improved 11.
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  991.  Nguyen Johnathan  if they couldn't afford to reconfigure it to Less larger guns, they could have stayed with 12 11's but went with the upgraded Scharnhorst 11's that was heavier and higher velocity than WWI 11s
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  992.  @johnshepherd9676  wider or not it's still vertical 12" slab sided belt for NC
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  993.  @John-ru5ud  well Bismarck has radar assuming it's not been knocked out by enemy hits or blast from its own guns yet so sneaking in to point blank kirashima style may not work out.
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  994.  @John-ru5ud  well a NC class has less armour than Hood so good things aren't going to happen if it starts taking 15" shells before it's 16" shells find the range but obviously if it finds the range first well just look at what Rodney did to it if you want to see what 9 16" guns do to a Bismarck class. As far as Brooklyn vs Prinz Eugen while a hail of 6" fire can do nasty things if the range closes a 8" gun is capable of hitting from further than a 6" and in Denmark strait Prinz Eugen had rather good gunnery so there's actually a good shot of Prinz Eugen winning that fight before the Brooklyn can close in enough to bring the Dakka.
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  995. Well the people who didn't know that salt water freezes are definitely dumb as the freezing point of seawater is the basis of 0 degrees on the Fahrenheit scale.
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  996. Congress had authorized construction of a dozen third rates when revolutionary France was causing trouble earlier in the 1790s but they never got built because France quit making trouble with the US after Napoleon came to power. If the US had made a dozen third rates how would that have effected the war of 1812?
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  997. The countries that made longer barrel version of previous cal guns instead of immediately going to a bigger cal asap tended to increase the number of barrels compared to the previous ship whereas the countries that went bigger gun tended to keep same or even lose barrel numbers. The US Wyoming and Russian Gangut for example that had 12" guns with 50 or more calibers instead of going to a bigger bore like the British 13.5" had 12 guns, whereas the 13.5" British ships had 10 guns. When Britain went from 13.5" ships to 15" it went down from 10 to 8 guns, US 14" ships went up from 10 to 12 guns then went to 50 caliber 14" guns.
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  998. If the Germans had time and money to build up all the way to the 35% of the Royal navy allowed under the Anglo-German naval treaty about how many ships of each type would that have been?
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  999. They reduced funnels because the Lexingtons used so many they caused a funnel shortage.
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  1000. Guess I'm the only one that remembers that old game
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  1001. Last time I encountered a submarine carrier it was British and in the game Crimson Skies
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  1002. The 14 inch was fine against Bismarck but I wouldn't want to take it against something comparable or superior to it's own armour like Yamato
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  1003. You also have the butterflies of if whatever changes to the timeline caused incomparable to be built multiple years earlier than it would have if it got built in current timeline potentially causes the Germans to complete any of the Mackensen or Ersatz Yorck class. Incomparable goes from well protected to not so much if it's suddenly facing 13.8 or 15 inch guns, not to mention the British 13.5" ships are also not in a good place if that happens.
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  1004. I like the idea of tabe top games but like none of my friends are in to it
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  1005.  @pavelmateja4822  possibly and they definitely could have figured it out from a dud shell that didn't go off
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  1006. If the Dutch had bought them what are the odds the Germans don't invade the as a friendly neutral country that buys thier stuff like Spain
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  1007. Turtles all the way down
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  1008. Since an actually efficient Bismarck would probably start looking similar to Vanguard how would Drach rate say a Vanguard with Bismarck's high velocity guns.
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  1009.  @arivael  well they could probably just make a new turret that fits the barbette and 15 " guns even if it doesn't get the cost and build time benefits of just using R turrets.
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  1010.  @arivael  I was referring to the twin, obviously you should be able to make a triple 15 on the quad 14 barbette in fact you should be able to get a triple 16, but I don't know if A) the twin 14 is wide enough to convert to a twin 15 and B) even if it's big enough to be feasible I don't think it happens to be the same diameter to literally just drop an R turret in it's barbette
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  1011.  @Billy_Annizarry  well besides the turrets being jammed Prinz Eugen was setting up a torpedo run when PoW decided to nope out of that situation.
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  1012.  @arivael  I don't think the historical KGV had the right barbette diameters for this but they could have designed it with the right diameter.
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  1013. Well with "average" distance I suppose that is going to vary greatly based on whether you are talking fist shots fired, first shot hit, the hit that mission kills the loser, or the ship finally sinks because those are potentially wildly different for any battleship on battleship engagement
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  1014. If you want a simpler easy way for someone who is not an engineer at maths was to see the potential look at the 16/45 with the mk 8 super heavy vs the 16/45 with the mk 5 standard and figure that the velocity difference between the 2 is similar even though higher for the 16/50 Now look at the 16/50 on the chart and instead of the actual range in question look for the range with the appropriate amount of extra velocity (a few thousand yards closer) and it's going to be close to accurate.
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  1015.  @FS2K4Pilot  again thier af was smaller. That's an example of the point not a counterpoint
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  1016. If for some reason the Spanish-American war and the Franco-Prussian war traded dates of occurring what do the relevant fleets look like? I ask because the US may have some civil war leftovers in 1870 and the Kaiserlich Marine of 1898 is certainly going to be more substantial than the 1870 Prussian Königlich Marine
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  1017. Well for a big Predread throwdown couple of other ideas are multiple 3rd parties becoming involved in Spanish-American war and turning it into an early WWI. There's always the Moroccan crisis potentially sparking a war between France and Germany as mentioned in a previous drydock. Dogger bank incident getting Russia vs Britain in a war because of the 2nd pacific squadron is a possibility.
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  1018. Well with a Britain involved with the US Civil war scenario the British don't even need to successfully blockade the US to win they just need to cause the US to need to bring it's blockade ships home to defend it's own coast instead of the US being able to blockade the CS
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  1019. 5:28 well a couple of opportunities for bigger Predread battles. 1) some 3rd party or parties get involved in Spanish-American war and turn it into an early WWI 2) Germany and France coul have went to war twice in 1905 and 1911 over the first and second Moroccan crisis. I'd imagine either of those results in early WWI 3) 2nd pacific squadron kicks of Russo-British war with dogger bank incident.
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  1020.  @galbert117  well the only things the grand fleet had that could hurt WWII stuff like Bismarcks, Littorios, Yamatos are the Queen Elizabeths and Rs and that's assuming the newer ships piss away thier range and fire control advantage and close the range.
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  1021. If a butterfly flaps it's wings and one of the Kongos has the magazine explosion instead of Mutsu how much does the scenario change with 2 Nagato class.
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  1022. I'm normally in bed when these drop
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  1023. US never signed the treaty that ended letters of Marque by most countries, so the US can still theoretically issue them, of course anyone who doesn't recognize letters of Marque would consider you a pirate and subject to summary execution.
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  1024. @ Reagan James if there wasn't a multi turrets all big gun dreadnought developed I'd have to guess that triple turrets would have been invented while still doing the 1 forward and one aft turret predreadnaught configuration. So 6 gun predreadnaughts
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  1025. If you ever have a desire to take a cruise on a cruise ship on the same trip as one of your museum ship trips they operate out of some of the same ports.
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  1026. I'm very interested in this special as I'm rather well versed in the land aspects of this war
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  1027. Stump remover is saltpeter if you need any for testing
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  1028. French armored cruisers just don't have the tumblehome JE NE SAIS QUOI
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  1029. Been sent too if there was a more substantial threat like a fully functional Jean Bart. So Massachusetts and Texas vs Jean Bart could likely have happened.
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  1030. In an earlier video when someone asked about the operation torch naval battle of Casablanca where Massachusetts took down unfinished Jean Bart and you supposed that even a fully functional Jean Bart would los because of inferior screen forces. Id like to point out that USS Texas was doing the shore bombardment thing in the area and could have
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  1031. Who would win post pearl harbor rebuild Tennessee class standard or similar era King George V
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  1032.  @fockewulf656  definitely not aware of anyone doing this but if the treaties hadn't regulated cruisers too making 8" turret farms would be a way to make a battleship you couldn't keep do something.
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  1033.  @Thirdbase9  well as fragile and slow and large of targets as Blimps/Zeppelins/other Dirigibles are I don't think you are going to use them to attack enemy ships like airplanes, so they would be scouting and maybe sub hunting only. So probably Jutland sized fleets of dreadnoughts would continue until some sort of missiles or much more advanced technology made heavier than air planes possible.
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  1034.  @usssouthdakota5541  Agincourt vs Wyoming... The turret farmers will be pleased with this match.
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  1035. Best of luck on getting it rescheduled after the worst of the virus is over.
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  1036. If the US gets as disturbed by Britain's naval building program as Britain got at Germany's and Congress has a British Parliament style"compromise" and gives the navy more finds than they are even asking for and builds as many or more ships as Germany can Britain maintain a 2 power standard?
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  1037. Next time he's in the States and has access to tannerite he can do ones for invincible, indefatigable, and Queen Mary (sorry too low hanging of a fruit to ignore)
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  1038. Having trouble thinking of other "ey" examples but for sure if the alternate way of spelling the name is "ei" that's definitely pronounced I
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  1039. I seen her sister USS Barry in Washington DC back before they scrapped her
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  1040. The tai chi guy looks faker than Steven Segal
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  1041. Do you want Polonium 210 poisoning? Because that's how you get Polonium 210 poisoning
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