Comments by "" (@ponygt6629) on "Mazda 3 vs Audi A3 & BMW 1 Series group test" video.
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Matt
U always hold on to only reliability, u dont need comfort,u dont need,good cabin insulatiin, u dont nees the worlds 2nd fatest gearbox after pdk in a car, then leave the scene
The Golf has all of this, do u think u r more wise than the world car of the year jury who have been judging cars for more than 30 years, do u think like that if so,I cant complain,
The Golfs Mqb won 3 times, with Golf and A3,now its not over new Skoda Fabia is out based on Polo chassis I think its gonna b next world car f the year beating everythin out there,
I just dont make up stuff auto journalism being my job I know the position each brand is in well, i ve told u already I am a Ford guy but the new VWs are too good nowadays,I am,deslerately waiting for new RS if its AWD i ll change my mind of VW GOLF R,which just blew ma mind,
Look at world car f the yeara Up,Golf,a3 u think its fluke I dont think so,
Also i ve procided u a link f Motor trends hatchback test, didnt u read it, see how the golf surpasses the Mazda,
Also the Golf is supremely fast with DSG,in terms of fastest gearbox any comnon man can own its definitelY VW, the Polo 1.2 tsi Dsg, its soo damn quick and destroys almost all of the competirion even CVTs for mileage,
Whatever I tell u wont believe,but I cant get past facts cuz this is what I do,driving and analyzing,and data interpretation and presentation etc
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Soren Lausen Not just name, better fit finish, better cabin insulation,better gearbox,better premium leather,more solid cabin,and finally name and YES name counts, a brand that has won over the world with most Le Mans wins,most GTE class wins,has produced worlds most user friendly super cars like R8,worlds fastest 4 door sedan like RS7,world car f the year awards,world engine of the year awards,no of engines on its inventory will make Mazda engineers shy like 3 year olds sweating pants
On that front what does Mazda have, it just has 1 MX-5,RX-7 there ends its story
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I dont understand what you guys mean, see have u ever tried the new Mazda 3 and 6,
I have driven it extensively and I absolutely cant ignore iys harsh suspension cheap feeling doors,poor faux wood inserts,horrible and terrible in cabin insulstion,
The i drive like button in center console in the car I drove had a super cheap goggly feel when navigated with some pace like its gonna peel of from its cap,
The ride quality over broken roads were so bad that a passenger on the back seat complained to like drive careful man, but the same way I drove in Audi,Ford Focus,VW golf no problem at all, really jittery ride, also no turbo petrol power plants,
I mean what is all this,if all this are sacrificed to lower cost that dosent mean,its better, also I just always do the door shut thud testing in all cars I drive even a Ford Fiesta/VW polo is as strongly built as a Mazda 3,
So if one needs to find as in where has Mazda cheapened the price tag,its abvious but ignoring it is not the best idea,
Also world car of the year is fluke in your dreams poor boy,its a real test, I am an official who works with an Organisation named SIAM which also makes some contributions to this award in a very indirect way at least and guess what,do you know the runner up of world car of the year 2015, it was Mazda 3 2.2 TDCI and the Audi A3 handily beat it in all respects.
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Yup actually if Germans want they too can make a car like that eg Porsche 911 turbo s,it destroys even the GTR NISMO,
But its expensive, think of VW making a 911 turbo s with justVW gOLF levels of interior quality fearures etc, it wud make GTR cry the hell out,
The reason VW dosent do somethong like that is simple, porsche Vw audi lambo etc are now siblings so if VW makes one like that the rest will follow,
2nd reason is marketing,if they make a car like that all others like r8v10,rs5,etc sales will suffer big time cuz everybody ll go 4 thw budget Gtr killer,
3rd is German standards of car making is very high, they wont make a car without certain levels of fit finish,inyerior quality,sound deadening,solidity etc
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emdec55 See u wont get the 1.6l turbos or 1.6 diesels or even 2.0 dieesl mills in USA in such small cars in USA, if German brands release them, they wud ve stormed the US market, they r not releasin them cuz they r getting more than enuf profit from the big boys like s5,5 series, GLA,CLA,E class etc
Whatever other people may say, Japanese cars are built cheaper than Germans, its like authentic premiumness in German cars whereas in Japanese competition or any lowly priced same league competition its not authentic, its made to feel like premium
Its like choosing pure leather wallet from faux leather, nowadays faux leather can be made as good to look as pure leather but someone who really needs the authentic real leather knows how it feels and will choose that
Same case goes between an Audi and a VW,Ford,Mazda,etc
everybody knows Audis are rebadged VWs but people still pay more 4 the authenticity of Audi
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Soren Lausen See u wont get the 1.6l turbos or 1.6 diesels or even 2.0 dieesl mills in USA in such small cars in USA, if German brands release them, they wud ve stormed the US market, they r not releasin them cuz they r getting more than enuf profit from the big boys like s5,5 series, GLA,CLA,E class etc
Whatever other people may say, Japanese cars are built cheaper than Germans, its like authentic premiumness in German cars whereas in Japanese competition or any lowly priced same league competition its not authentic, its made to feel like premium
Its like choosing pure leather wallet from faux leather, nowadays faux leather can be made as good to look as pure leather but someone who really needs the authentic real leather knows how it feels and will choose that
Same case goes between an Audi and a VW,Ford,Mazda,etc
everybody knows Audis are rebadged VWs but people still pay more 4 the authenticity of Audi
USA is wierd specially since elsewhere in the world German reliability is almost in the same range as of Japanese
Also note that 90% Japanese have less complexity in design,function,parts etc compared to German ones, like Y is it that most Eastern brands still use atmospheric engines while Germans almost 90+% are turbos, so despite being turbos they are something that can hold on to dead simpler NA engines, so give credit 2 that engineering prowess
in between I am not German as well for being biased, I am actually a lover of Ford cars
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Matt
That dosent mean they dont have gasoline products naa, even today Americas best selling luxury car is BMW 3 SERIES,Audi A4,Lexus GS,Mercedes e class, mercedes c class, etc and its more german than Japanese or American despite cadillacs ubiquous efforts
In SUV segment its Audi q5,BMW X3,x4,merc GLA,... Are bestsellers even after thrashing em based on reliabilit,Y?
Its all about authentic class,quality,craftsmanship,power,handling,and luxury in harmony, unlike Japanese and American pseudo luxuries that nails any 1 quality but sacrifices others in huge margins.
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Matt
Thats a turbo diesel , and still its a turbo, and the 2.2 sky active diesel is derived from PSA 2.2 HDI diesel engine in case you didnt know,
The same engine is as reliable and as quiet as in Mazda in psa,applications as well,Mazda just named it sky active because they made little changes to it ,
What u really dont understand is about petrols, Mazda still sells less than 5% cars with diesels , and even after so much promotion from lot of sources itself people are still preferong VW GOLF or Ford Focus over Mazda because Europeans like more quietness,more balanced riding,more stiffer cabin,more dense soft touch plastics,more advanced turbo diesls with better gearboxes like DSG over Mazdas,
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Emedec55
And my problem is I didnt find it substantially better than a VW golf,Ford Focus,Opel Astra, already the A3 and bmw are far more expensive rivals,imports as well,
Its what one wants from a car,if one thinks Mazda 3 is as luxuruous as bmw and audi its wrong,its better value hands down,but is it value that counts most,for me I cant live with a car like Mazda 3 with its stiff ride which Matt Watson ignored and the super crappy cabin insulation that makes me feel car is made out of tin can and the not so robust thudding doors and the infotsinment system that looks like Mazda was trying to copy VW and BMW all at one go,
I also tried increasing the volume of the head unit inside Mazda 6 not 3 and there u go the speaker grill startes rattling with good bass sounds from speaker,never have i faced such issues even in a Golf or Focus,
Thats why I say,Mazda is giving car for better price but its not like it hasnt cut corners its cut lot of important things as well,like ride comfort,tge British B roads are damn bumpy and Mazda 3 will five u spine tingling ride compared to plusher Ford,VW,BMW,AUDI
Is that a sacrifice I make to get bigger engine and more power,is the super crappy cabin insulation a negative, why ignore it as if it dosent matter much,it annoyed me a lot,not only in Mazda 3 but also in 6
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mattheginger nope u r wrong mate, Audi,BMW,Merc all have much much better cutting edge diesel engines
This is the first time Mazda did show it can make god diesels at least
I absolutely love petrols and Mazdas 2.0 NA engine is no match for the 1.4 TSI and 1.8 TSI or the ecoboost or even the 116i petrols from BMW, thats what I claimed
The atmospheric engine of Mazda is too damn slow and didnt get anywhere near as the mpg quoted
Ok, but what about the other factors like pooor insulation,poor ride, my question is arent they priorities specially ride quality,
I am sure Mazda has the lest refined ride quality of the 3 sampled here in this video, still why prefer it like ride can be neglected,
I felt the ride specially at slow speeds below 50 kmph to be too harsh, and when speed gets atop 70 the cabin starts booming with road,wind and tire noise, its too damn loud that the radios volume had to be topped up to distract it and there comes rattles from the speaker housing grills from doors, pity built quality
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mattheginger Wow, but u r wrong buddy, see I dont get paid by Audi,BMW for praisin em
I am sure biased but not towards Audi/VW/BMW to Ford and still I say Mazda isnt as god as Audi cuz its not even good as some current gen Fords,
EVerybody knows how good Mazdas tech is the i e loop is also something that works rather than a gimmick, agreed but Y still no reply on the compromises Mazda made to pack bigger engine,more tech,etc
Also the 2.2 is based on PSA architecture, that means without the PSA Mazda cannot draw the first lines on drawing boards, same for Fords TDCI and Jaguars 2.2 l diesel
If u r talkin this way let me say the Audi/BMW is way way better and stronger built than Mazda,much better fit and finish, BMW gets RWD,Audi is most spacious,see each has its own strong points
I specifically like the European engg cuz I felt the corners cut in Mazda are something that really makes one decide like ride quality,cabin quietness and general lack of solidity in cabin compared to Euro products,
U keep on arguing but after driving the new Mazda 6 and 3 and the Fusion/Mondeo in USA back to back I was skeptical
Back here when I drove it over some really bad roads,I absolutely hated mazda, even the 2012 Focus I was driving had much much better cabin insulation,better solidity,better power from 2.0 180 hp TDCI and my deal breaker smooth ride and Focus dosent cost much more than Mazda , still pricier
I recently drove the MK7 Golf and it just kills the Mazda, no way Mazda is better than Golf
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Phillip
Ford and Mazda both worked close really close and shared technology like siblings did, same way Ford was extremely closely working with Aston Martin and Volvo as well,
One cant argue that Ford shared more tech from Mazda or the other way round,but when it comes to diesels both Ford and Mazda shared architecture from PSA Ford named it TDCI and Mazda didnt have any specific name till 2010 cuz they used too much from PSA and was still under developement,
Have you visited Fords plant at Belgium,if not I have and that was an eye opener,Mazda and Ford shared lot and among the first gen Fiesta,Focus,Mondeo it was more Ford and less Mazda, by 2008 etc it was 60:40 ford:mazda,
I have heard of zetec,and much more and that dosent have much to do with Mazda
Also the 2.2 diesel was shared architecture,i have seen it,its shared between PSA,FORD,JAGUAR,MAZDA all have their own versions of PSA 2.2
I am not praising Ford here either,but Mazda isnt substantialas far as I am cincerned,its a cheap feeling car with lot of grunt and economy and value, its isnt nearly as luxurious feeling as the GOLF,A3,BMW in some aspects or the other,actually Focus and Mazda 3 are really close to seperate cuz Ford recently hasnt got much better than the Golf,which is superb car,
Forget reliabity for a moment and drive all these and tell which is better engineered.
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Philip
I cant argue with you, I saw how Ford,Mazda both used the blue prints of the PSA based 2.2 Hdi to develop their own versions of it,
Eg koenissegg uses Fords modular v8 engine block as its base to develop 1000+ hp and is most powerful engine in the world but that dosent mean that engine is Ford v8
Same way Mazda,Jaguar,FORD all 3 didnt have their own base for building their respective diesels,all had or got the rudimentary idea from the architecture used by PSA 2.2 , even PSA HDi is vastly different from what Mazda makes but architecture is same,
I 2 had no idea of these things but the visit to Belgium plant showed me a lot on how auto brands are co related beyond whats we know and whats shared through internet.
I agree that Mazda and Ford are not close post 2010 but b4 that they were worked togather.
Zetec,duratec,sigma,rocam,puma all are Ford engines that shares Mazda expertise as well, same way these engines and their tech are used by Mazda in lot of their vehicles as well,except Sigma and ecoboosts.
Have u heard of Mazda L engines and Ford F engines etc,I have and at least research on it before sayin Mazda and Ford didnt work close.
Fords focus is a car that got derived from an Escort that split into FWD domain and AWD and RWd domain, the RWD domain was based on Mazda Rx series platform as well I think.
I testex Mazda 6 in USA and 3 in Britain and it didnt feel refined or comfortable as a Golf,its suspension was too stiff,cabin insulation is soo bad that one cant talk normally inside the car and the Mazda 6 interior door speaker housing rattled when I popped up the volume in the Bose system,
The rotary knobs in the centre console was already like coming off as well,the car didnt have more than 10000 miles on odo,even still
Whereas the Golf,it was solid,its balance between,comfort,quietness,refinement,handling,power,efficiency,quality,space,ergonomics,solidity was impeccable,
Also dont forget that both Audi a3 and VW golf both won world car if the yearas well,which in no way is coincidence, showz how strong the MQB patform is
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Paul you are extremely wrong
Look at Motor Trends car of the year 2014,its an American magazine and its the MK7 GOLF,Australia is Mazdas best market and there too if u ask people they desire for VW but since its expensive they settle with Mazda or Focus,
Also why is it that everybody is ignoring the bad points of Mazda and highlighting its strong points,
1. Is it more comfy to drive than Focus,Golf,astra,audi,bme,merc
2.is it quiet inside at least as of a Toyota?
3.is it built better than cars of q1?
My answer for these 3 are NO
Then how can one say its outright better when it has cut some seriosu corners.
Also Mazda can or will never touch even Ford for ssles even if its going to be cheaper than what it is now, VW has already ,put the foundation for worlds biggesr automotive brand,
With such poor ride ride quality and insulation it will never reach a premium car aspirsnt maybe for a regular joe who just needs a ride it ll be good but no way for someone who is focused on something like ride,handling,comfort,wuality... All in a single package.
Vw sells more cars in the world than any other brand in the world buddy, not even Toyota is gonna hold too long,GM has already fallen in China worlds largest car market,with new passat and some compact suvs VW will rule the world by 2020. I will bet on it.
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Matt
You still dont understand
See a car thats priced low yet has everything on offer,thats not what Mazda is,if it was I too wud ve agreed with this video,
I have driven the new 3 and 6 and Mazda has cut corners which a lot of Audi,BMW,Ford,VW,MG,SEAT,SKODA,... Buyers cant ignore
For 1 its suspension is super stiff to sttain that brilliant handling,its not like the Golf and Focus where ride is supple yet handling is brilliant,its too stiff at times over B roads
Also the cabin is the loudest of any car in this segment,I bet even a VW Polo and Ford Fiesta are as quiet as Mazda 3 and,6 at highway speeds,its too loud and one feels like one has bought a budget cheap car inside due to excessive wind and road noise in Mazda,thats a gleeming omission
Also just shut the door of Mazda,Golf and Focus and I felt Focus and Golf had a much better solid prominent thud,Mazda again felt tinny,its not a big deal for some but for some it is
So dont tell that its better on all counts,its just an above average product,still not good enough to beat 1.4 tsi Golf and 2.0 tdi golf and 1.5 ecoboost Focus and 2.0 tdci Focus
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U r fucking insane,VW golf is best selling car in the whole of Europe if we consider skodas snd seats and Audis too in rhe list Golf is besr selling car the earth has ever seen,
If its prone to break down how come people buy it more than any other car, even Toyota has no chance against Golf subjectiveley speaking,
Also Audi is rebadged VWs is true upto 30%, but once past that there s nothing in common, the new RS3 with 360 hp is said to kill a lot of v8s just for fun, thats the kind of power Audi has with its new gen quattro and dsg,
Other brands like lexus,mazda,infiniti,etc are in stone age compared ro Audi,
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OMG what the hell are u talkin about matt,its Mazda and Toyotas inability to launch a car with such less price tag, VW sells its car for its chassis and VW rules the Chinese market,
Vw s biggest seller in China is PASSAT and that is wirh joint venture with Chinese car makers as well, and thats why i as a journalist having taken opinions from Chinese owners am sure that people love and prefer VW and Fords
GM sells boring cars but buick,cadillac,etc makes money there,
The point is people want something like VW that are brilliant all rounders unlike Toyota,Honda etc whre is u get reliability iy drives like SHIT,if u have power it handles like shit,
The Mazda 3 is the closest and besr of Eastern competition that has the chance of tipping VWs and Fords but it too isnt perfect,
And people ther wants their cars to b quiet inside cuz cities are horribly noisy so Mazda lets too much noise inside and when road gets rough they say a VW handles good but still more comfortable,
See these are real life opinions from owners and perspective owners in China,etc,
In India VW is still very immature but if u ask any Indian which is the car u desire below 30 lakh RS INR they ll tell any 3 German brands no body will ever tell a Toyota or Honda,
They consider Toyota honda as cheap,and since chepnesa sells everywhere like in USA they 2 sell well,
Cheapness dosent sell in europe thats why Japanese and Korean brands sell less there,in Europe people just look for pure quality thats why VW beats the hell out of Corolla and Mazdas, even in Australia also the Mazda is playing its best game but VW is so damn strong that Mazda customers are turning to VWs but the reverse is very less.
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So what Matt
Didnt u get my point, what I am sayin is VW makes the best all rounders if u belive it or not,
All other brands have strengths but weaknesses too,VW too has weakness but the strengths far out weigh the weakness,
I told Passat best seller cuz Passat is the best original VW sold there,rest all are China made VWs out of MQB chassis,
Also there is something more than this thats what I am talkin about, desire, nobody in Asia desires for a Corolla or Accord or Civic, all think they are cheap compromising alternatives but almost all desire a VW Jetta or Golf over a toyo or honda or nissan or hyundai or mazda
Almost all desire a Passat over an Accord or Camry or Sonata or Mazda 6, from where they got these aspirational values is from long years of expertise and experience and prowess they ve built over these years
Dont u agree that Mazda made Mazda 6 and Mazda 3 because it wanted to trump VW Golf nd MONDEO and Passat,who started the premium hatch back category back in 76,its a VW Golf Mk1,see I have given u more than enuf proof that says VW Golf is a better car than most hatches,its often called king of hatch backs and even as a guy who loves Ford cars I agree that Golf is a better car than any other car in the world,
Again no wonder even the Audi a3 won over the Mazda is world car if the year 2015, title,look at that list 2011 VW polo,2014 Golf,2015 audi a3, I dont think a jury more foolish than me or matt either will take such a decision to give A3 a edge over Mazda,
If u havent been in an MK7 GOLF and its derivatives u r missing something,trust me the new Golf is undeniably the best car I ve ever driven,its fast,has more space in it than all f its rivals,has the best ride quality of any car under 2 segments above,i mean u wont know any bumps or pothholes on road in a Golf it just glides over it,even Focus lets u kno a bit, Mazda is stiff and will make a jolt in cabin,
Its quiet inside its good good infotainment,DSg is toodamn fast and gets superb mpg,
I mean there is nearly 0 compromise except for service costs and initial premium
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