Comments by "" (@ponygt6629) on "Ford Mondeo 2014 review - was it worth the wait?" video.
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sic22l See do u think Focus wud ve become worlds best selling car with the European setup, it was not just Europe that elevated Focuses sales, it was China,Taiwan,Thailand,USA,Brazil,Australia as well, and in all these countries whether u believe or not COMFORT is top priority not handling, so Ford made the MK3 much more softer to appeal to the global audience without tryin to harm handling and it didnt work quiet well for European buyer but elsewhere it worked
Also Golf is a major Ford killer in 2 forms , in the form of Octavia where space is limousine like and in the form of Golf where quality just leaped boundaries,I am dead sure if VW had not released the MK7 Golfs by 2013, Ford wud definitely have had a chance with the face lift at least, but Golf became lighter so more agile yet quality is in Audi territory,also if 1 wants space Octavia or Jetta r too Golfs, so it just made monstrous sense to go after MQB rather than Focus
Anyway Ford will update Focus by 2017 with release of RS by 2016, and it might jump well into Audi,BMW territory in terms of quality,refinement,SPACE etc and Ford is trying hard on it according to USA based Ford insights cuz they r well aware of Golfs might
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Sic22l
Yes thats if Focus had the mk2 type stiff setup it wud have appealed a lot in Europe,USA but not in Asia,Australia,china etc,but the biggest problem is lack of good quality refinement etc to match a Golf even after update,
Golf has always been Fords nemesis,from Fiesta to Mondeo VW has Polo to Passat to pick a fight and this fight is too hard for Ford cuz VW is such a multi billionaire plant compared to Ford,VW dont even care about losses,in USA VW is in such heavy loss that most other brands in this lossy state wud stop making cars,but VW has so much budget that they just kept their cool,sold cars for extremely lossy prices,yet the overall global revenue is so damn high that they still keep goin in USA
So its pretty damn difficult to fight a VW or Skoda for any brand,
Ford is going to replace Mk3 with mk4 with a new global C platform that will spawn a new kuga,c max,and new Lincoln car for USA ,same
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The highlight of new C platform is more space and more built in safety and refinement without loosing fun to drive nature,
Also take a look at Fords chinese Escort,its an awesome car developed in China with Fords mk2 chassis and underpinnings,that car will b an experiment in china,if Ford can sell more than 50% or more Escorts than Focus in China that car will go global,
Take a look at that car and think of it,its definitely gonna overtake Focus,u now why, space,family friendly nature,this is what people want more than fun to drive,so one cant blame Ford for making Focus softer
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Sic22l
No man,u r not getting to the point,back in 2006 Focus had just the Golf and Astra as comprtition,Hyundais,peugots,citroens,renaults etc were worse,but by 2010 all the other brands started improving interior space and interior quality and for a layman SPACE IS LUXURY,and Focus with mk3 made a big mistake it became more comfy but it dosent have the effective space inside compared to competition,also quality and feature list on competition were so high that it was compelling.
See the mk3 focus is one of best selling car in the world currently in 3 rd place,and if this improvement over mk2 wasnt made it would have failed hard in almost all other markets and Focus wud have been an EU only car with constant sales and no improvement.
Focus is still a good car but Golf is better with lighter MQB and Audi rivaling interior quality its common sense for most Eu people to buy Golf over Focus,just take an entry level 1.6 TDI or 1.2,1.4 tsi and it made lot of sense over Focus,also if space is important Golf again comes in form of Octavia and if handling is important again Golf comes in its 3rd avatar Seat Leon,so basically Focus got attacked from all angles, also in lots of countries where people preferred AT cars Fords powershift is no where near as good as VWs Dsg so that too impacted,also just see how good the new i30,ix35, i40 models from hyundai are they too just raised the quality bar equal to the Focus,so the Focus was under boat load of pressure.
Also can u explain why Mondeo sales dipped hard and Fords Mondeo plant in Spain too was closed,Mondeo even till 2014 is best handling car but sales declined drastically naa,its just not handling but quality,comfort,space,luxury too are what people care more about nowadays,in these aspects Ford isnt a highlight anymore,thats why
Now as told before Ford will launch mk4 focus and mk7 Fiesta by 2017 until then sales need to be kept constant,for that the facelift,by that time Fors too will reach a highly Golf competetive level still having a fraction of edge on handling department over Golfs,
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Sic22l
I agree to ur point to an extent but if Ford was in Europe only,then could have ended closing factories in Asia,australia,usa etc so they were forced to make a global car,
Even if Ford had made the mk3 handle like go kart,it wouldnt make em enuf profit to sustain outside Europe,also if u know Mazda is making huge progress and Ford cannot easily compete with Mazda as well cuz it ll give customers better handling car with cheaper price tag,so Ford was forced to make Focus softer,also Fords RS division manager Carlos was bought by VW,I mean VW is making world domination campaign now,to resist that global growth is a must.
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Sic22l
Sure they could have used a different suspension setup for EU and even new Mondeo isnt the best handling car in its class anymore its again a Mazda 6, see the new gen Mazda is really good,
One should also understand that Focus still handles better than Golf,the mk7 is the one that really closed the gap that too only in 2013 that too due to lighter weight,so focus still handles brilliantly compared to competition,
More for the last two years as well Focuses sales remained constant,i just checked it for Europe,the sales decline came from Mondeo,S max,C max,and the Kuga couldnt ignite sales as well,so I dont think Focus is to fault here,Ford lost heavily in eu due to spain,belgium,russia,italy all these countries had economic recession and since Ford had plants eveywhere,depreciation occured heavily,so second hand market gained over first hand ones making lot of Fords stay on their own stables.
By 2013 focus sales declined a bit due to new Golf,but the real loss was Mondeo,s max,galaxy,etc which people didnt buy even with rebates,so I dont think handling was a serious issue as mentioned,
The lack of handling might have disappoonted just 10% customers,90% still like the Focus but GOLF does everything,in a balanced way and the interior just crosed boundaries thats why I tell its Golf thats hurting Focus and even the renaults and peugots,its too good now.
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sic22l Still I dont think sharpening the handling would have made a huge difference,
The VW group is the one thats creating the problem, think f it, if there was no Golf, then Focus wud ve been in its place easily
The Golfs interior,rolls royce of hatchbacks comfort,refinement,and even handling just cannot be ignored,
Fords MK3 is already 3 years old when Golf put out the MK7,so time advantage too goes to the Golf,Ford knows what they r doing, they kno they ve messed up the MK3 even still it became a success elsewhere in the world cuz of comfort,like in Asia,Australia,USA etc
Sure Ford cud ve made a more agile Focus for EUrope but the already ailing economy and blistering competition made em think, lets back off a bit, give the designers and engineers more time to perfect the MK4,so until mk4 comes out MK3 will be loosing sales,its quiet natural, if it had that MK2 levels of handling too it would have depreciated quiet a bit still not at this rate in Europe, but else where it would have died off, so its not easy as it seems to make different suspensions for different continents, different tuning is OK
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Well I cant argue,from Europeans sales chart its pretty much clear that Focus when launched in 2011 the mk3 had a huge spike in sales by december 2011,by 2012 december Focus became one of worlds best selling car and Europes 4th best seller,mk7 golf got launched by 2013 and thats when Focuses sales started declining heavily not only in Europe but in Australia,and with Mazda 3 etc in Usa there too sales decline,whereas for the worlds biggest market China the sales are increasing at like 200% rate,I bet if Focus was as hardcore as the one in Europe this would have never occoured in China,Malaysia,australia,etc
What u shud understand is its not easy to combine refinement with quality with handling,and as of now Golf does it better
Sure Focus has gone a couple of notches below in terms of handling but the number of modern new customers who desire quality,luxury,comfort is more than people who desire for handling,thats a truth even for Europe,
Focus face lift will again raise Focus interest quite a bit because the poor interior design was a deal breaker for a lot of people,now its solved,also a touch screen too comes as standard,different tune for electric power assisted steering too,evn tho the face lift dosent seem significant according to media reviews I find it a MUST for Focus and this will increase sales of Focus cuz luckily with face lift no price hike like the hike in price of mk7 golf,
Also addition of DCT auto with paddle shifters at higher trims too will keep keen drivers thinking,like shud I buy DSG or DCT,cuz of paddle shifters.
There is a lot of things going on for Focus,its all about integraring everything into a single package,I am sure a stiffer susoension setup and a electro mechanical steering would have made Focus much more appealing in Europe but,the extra cost they spent for these developements only fir Europe wont give global Ford any significant gains,
Also new 1.5 tdci has sorted out a lot of Dpf issues and emits less than 100g co2,so its got cleaner while providing more power,so Focus will strike back but not with the same force as it used to be,but will make up a respectable sales number.
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Maloyutu
I have driven the Mondeo and the new one that is Fusion as well,but its not as good as current gen Mercedes E class and BMW 3.series and maybe as good as a Passat ,still what I absoluty hate to say is new Mondeo isnt as spacious inside ss new Passat,its at best as spacious inside as new Merc C class,
Also interior quality generally is very good but on the centre of centre console there r some really annoying scratchy plastics
The new Mondeos automatic 6 speed torque converter sucks
And as from this video it lacks steering feedback of old unit as well
All in all new Mondeo is a great car but its not an outright better product over the new Passat and the German trio,
Since pricing is cheaper in UK its got a faint chance to succeed,still its not a compelling package as it used to be
Its not because Mondeo is bad but competition is that tuff specially the new Passat its much more spacious,dsg is waybetter,has lots f clever features,its economical in a way new Passar is a better car but Mondeo looks the part and the quietness new Mondeo has inside is something that ezceexs class expectations,
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See no need to worry about Lexus vs BMW vs MERC vs Audi
Cuz for some who wants peace of mind and cheap luxury the Lexus makes sense,there r a lot of soft riders,who just want quiet ride,plush ride,comfy features and space and for em lexus makes sense cuz its cheaper 2 buy,but its no way overall a better car than German trio,thats y so much brand image still halos German trio,the German trio earned those names with hard work and supreme attention to detail,
Lexus is a brand that grew up tryin to immitate and compete with em,
Just look at latest lexus RCF its crap compared to German trio,still its a lexus,so cheap and reliable,thats wht some people want,so it ll stay in market for some time,but when German trio makes the next step lexus will lag,again play catch up,this ll continue
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Mr Wonderful
Agree with the part of reliability and after slaes and service costs of Lexuses,
Just do u think it drives,has more qualitu,more comfort,mor presense,more class inside than the BMW,AUDI,MERC competition,
See I am an auto journalist as well and since I too test cars I have no bias but I ll admit that I love Fords thats why the name ponygt662,aprt from that when I tested the handling,ride quality,luxury provided,etc I found lexus to be like beefed up Toyotas,like richer Camry,richer Avalon,etc,
Also most Lexuses were slow too,they are good for calm quiet people but if someone really loves driving and wants a car with well balanced qualities its definitely not Lexus.
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Jonny
Lexus has just one LFA whereas VAG has lots of cars,what is a Bugatti Veyron, its a VW,how many diesels do Lexus have, VW has v10,V12,v8 tdi that r more economical and more powerful than any Lexus Hybrid cars or gas v8s
Also isf is not faster than RS4 around tracks, in certain tracks its faster but in most tracks RS4 is faster,
http://www.zeperfs.com/en/duel1549-1876.htm
Interior quality is good for both but BMW,AUDI,MERC etc feel more plush and user friendly and the touch screen is of lkw resolution in Lexus and the joystick based input is finicky to use compared to i drive and Audis new super cool speedometer integrated mmi system. Also the German competition leaves more space in the front for driver somehow due to restrained design.
Also VW has Lambo,Porsche, now under its arms so Lexus has no chance,
Give me a Lexus substitute to BMW M235I,AUDI S3,MERC CLA 45 AMG, afforbadle fast beasts with small engines so less carbon emissions and fast as hell.
Why do you think Lexus isnt selling much in Europe,I too had this notion that relaibility is everuthing,but for a person who can spend that much money,the car should be special,so BMW drive brilliant has smart petrol and diesel low displacement engines,and dosent suffer from annoying cvts and slow heavy entry level performance cars,
I have no personal grudge towards Toyota or honda or anything,I already told my bias its for Ford not Germans not Japsnese,so I can be sure of what I felt in between Germans and Japanese.
Still I am not sayin Lexus is bad but its still not quiet as good as Germans,better than Cadillacs buicks infiniti also but not as good as Merc,BMW,Audi,
This is my take after drivin em,if ur opinion is otherwise well and good but this is what I felt after feelin em in person,I work for an auto magazine in India,so I have nothing with Lexus.
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Jonny
Have you been to Aston Martins v8 fascility in Germany,
Do you know the chief designer of new Mondeo used to work for Aston Martin, do you know how much Aston and Ford were co operating back in 2003-05 etc building Vantages,
Fords coyote platform is shared between Jaguar and Aston Martin as well,so the relation between Ford,Aston Martin,JLR is much deeper than a lot of people think,
For eg check out the US only vehicle named Ford Explorer,its supremely reminiscent of Range Rover sport and even houses a second gen terrain response system almost the same thing JLR vehicle uses for their AWD too.
They helped mutually,I mean Aston and Ford to build one of worlds best virtual reality design center where goggles can be used to see and even feel a to be produced car,
So they worked togather a lot more than what internet shares,Ford helped Aston deeply to build its v8 fascility,if not for that ASTON wouldnt have known anything about mass manufacturing,so Aston had mutual respect as well,
Again Fords relationship with Volvo too was intense,they learned a lot of safety and solidity from Volvo,even Fords Taurus US versin is a volvo s80 platform.
Did u even bother to check the images of Ford thunderbird and Ford Puma before commentin,see these cars were from 90s and they had similar Aston Martin cues and styling as well, Ford and Aston Martin had some design themes that were similar,but since these brands were in really good relatuonship both accepted and even today they have no problem,its we who think it looks Aston ish, bo where did Aston Martin make a statement about it.
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Jonny
U didnt get my point maybe u r smoking and reading,
What I am talking about is the same type of design themes Ford,Jag,Aston used in lot of models,
U can go on complaining about it,but from Fiesta to Mondeo,Ford has some design cues that matches with Astons design,even before iy got this new grille,one can see the pronounced swept back headlight design,Ford decided to give face lift to that face by sperating logo from grille to bonnet region like in FORD GT, if one does that Fords trapezoidal grille is full of black plastic that wont exude premiumness,so they chromed it out ,
Sure it has Aston Martin cues but hey Aston designers were given the face lift job and the finished product got maximum. Votes for production as well.
Thats what makes Ford have a differnt loook from its competirion most of em having logos on grilles,
If it was an issue like what u ve been pointin out Astom wud ve filed a patent complaint,nothing happened,just because Aston excists dosent mean an everyday brand like that one shouldnt exist unless its a true copy,in Europe Fieata is one of best selling small cars as well, Focus the 3rd best selling car in the world,both of em now has this new face and its just gettin more and more popular,
Since Mondeo is biggest of Fords line up,it resembles lot of Astons true,if that means copying in your mind its ur impression, its not copying anyway for me since both Aston and Ford had similarity in design of some cars even in 90s,
Just look at Pumas grille,its too Aston Martin like,except it was blacked out and small
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S.T T. Wow, what a reply
Just U think Lexus philosphy is what people should follow, NO, its peoples philosophy that a brand should follow
People want,comfort,luxury,power,performance,handling etc in 1 single package, who does it best its the BMW 320d, it does 0-100 kmph in 7.6s, handles well, rides extremely well, has nice rear legroom, has all the creature comforts 1 wud ever need, now thats the perfect philosophy, now hav u seen the new Audi MMI system the 1 they did py partnering with NVIDIA, I dont think Lexus is even close 2 it,
U tell all German MMI is same, I mean r u mad, just look how the new S Class interior is, In reality I like it even more than Rolls Royce
Rolls is an obsession, it dosent mean its the sportiest, its a collectors item, not a mass car
Who cares from where Lexus comes, what people car is, is it powerful,is it efficient,is it comfortable,is it spacious,is it priced generously.. and Germans does all these better, Y is Audi developing new electric turbo diesels,why twin turbo diesels, they r kno always people will prefer diesel over petrols as long as diesels r banned,common sense, Lexus fails hard to understand that, thats Y thy sell like SHIT in Europe worlds most luxurious market
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Sic22l
I am not from Europe I am from Asia but I van tell u one thing,Focus dosent sell well cuz it lost its handling,this is a wrong notion,
First thing u need to know is Focus even without hydraulic power assisted steering and the old stiff setup now handles better than most cars in fact I still think its even better to drive than a Mazda 3
The second thing is the handling gap has sure come down,mk2 and mk1 focus had a long shot in terms of handling whereas quality,refinement,safety,technology easily was lacking,so Ford improved it to play the catch up,but that didnt work quiet well due to poorly designed interior,
Another thing that people value much much more than space is the green house and space inside,Focus mk2 had more effective legroom and knee room inside than MK3,and that made Focus challenging one to pick over its competition.
Also have u driven the Golf or Octavia or peugot 308 ot somethin like that lately,u ll find that most of em has become simple to use inside and more rich in quality,refinement,tech etc,
For any layman Mazda handles better than Focus and Golf,then y is it that the new Mazda 3 and even new cx5 isnt making hay like it shud ve been, its easy, The GOLF its the biggest problem for Europe,MQB is too good that it kills allnof its competition in form of GOLFs,OCTAVIAs seats
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