Comments by "buddermonger2000" (@buddermonger2000) on "Sabine Hossenfelder" channel.

Yes we're wet robots that only act according to our programing. Yeah come on we all know that's not true intuitively and this is one of the limits of science. Science says that due to a complex interaction of certain chemical receptors and how said interactions record data, we make all of our decisions from this data. And it's technically correct but all it does is take away all autonomy from people. Regardless of whether or not you say "Oh no it doesn't actually change anything" no no it very much does. It's one of those things which effectively absolved people of responsibility by saying they didn't even make their own decisions. And so even while this is technically true, this is a very unhealthy way to view people and their actions. In fact at 8:41 You have correctly embodied this problem. The point here is that you used "lock them up" and you've taken agency from people once again. Even when you attempt to avoid it you cannot actually do so. And the type of morality which governs a society inevitably morphs from one which is individually focused to one which is collectively focused and thus you do not matter to the whole. This is the type of thing where the basis of the idea of any rights at all get eroded and you get effectively systems of morality where the only morality is what is good for the group. That comes heavily at the expense of the individual. We know how these systems work because we've seen them before. This can only be seen as acceptable because you don't understand the consequences of this. Also really only possible in the current environment where God is dead and thus we severed our morality from its origin. The immediate response will be "This is science, God has no place here" but that's actually wrong. First off science was actually created by a bunch of catholic monks. It is a Christian institution which was later secularized during the initial stages of the death of God. Second off this impacts morality in a big way. Humans only really function in social groups as large as we have built through religion since we're optimized to living in groups of 150. Ants have pheromones, humans have religion. Said religion informs how we create our morality. The morality that the West has had for its entire existence was based on Christianity. That brought a few things. One of those things is a focus on individual action as the basis of morality and it's why the west is guilt based morally instead of shame based like the rest of the world. That came specifically from a personal connection with God where he would forgive you and thus you did not need to have done so by the broader society. It means you could pursue what you want without other people bothering you. The morality was centered on the person individually since all morality was derived from God and a connection with him. With the idea that you have no free will, you have no basis for a guilt based moral system. You have little basis for individuality. You no longer really exist as an individual. Only as your effect on society. This changes more than we can really calculate. But the potential to lose any respect for human rights is high and you'll probably see things emerge such as ritual killings for being bad as none of that is in any way horrifying unless you have a individualistic guilt-based moral system. Of course this takes a LONG time to play out (the time scale is centuries), but this is the end result of the trajectory of having no free will. A final thing I'll add is that she wondered why people even cared about free will in the first place. And it's an expression of the very deep desire and need for humans to express that they exist on their own and on their own terms. That they're autonomous agents. Without free will, this concept, does not exist. You do not choose anything yourself, but instead are simply a sum of reactions to stimuli. You were programed and thus cannot choose if you do it. I think Futurama actually tackled this well when someone asks Bender "If someone jumps off a bridge would you do it too?" to which he responds "Let me check my programming... yes" and this is the situation that all humans find themselves in without the concept of free will.
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