Comments by "Georgios_" (@georgios_5342) on "Will the Fertility Rates in Europe Rise Again?" video.

You probably don't see pregnant women outside that much, especially on their later months, because they don't go out a lot when they can afford to 😅
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19:56 The main societal cause of falling birthrates in my opinion is urbanization and the cultural shift of people from small communities with high interpersonal trust and communication to much larger ones with zero interpersonal trust. Also, urbanization means that children are a detriment to their parents' economical situation rather than a boon, as in rural areas young kids can help with agricultural work and provide value to their family with little to no education, whereas in the cities children need to have their needs covered for by their parents until a much older age, and by then there is nothing to contribute to their family, as the kids have already become adults. The states that will reverse population collapse will be the ones that manage to push de-urbanization programmes and adequately subsidize the money that parents need for the upbringing of their children, to make having kids positive both for the family as well as the society, instead of being a detriment to the family for the sake of society. Individuals, in a broad enough number, will not consciously make the choice to sacrifice their own well-being for the benefits of those that didn't.
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@tomorrowneverdies567 you're not taking into account the specifics of the situation that make Israel an exception. The average Israeli fertility is artificially brought up by the Haredi (Ultra-Orthodox) Jewish community, which have an average of 7 children per woman, while the rest of Israel is barely at 2.1, a figure which is again increased by the conservative Arab Israeli community. Therefore while Israel is on average an urbanized country and on average has high fertility, the specific regions that are urbanized have low fertility similar to most western European countries, the fertility is brought up by an exceptionally fertile and backwards community, living without TVs, the internet and many other modern commodities, in pre-modern standards
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13:22 that's exactly what I was thinking. Greece was a very patriotic, conservative, nationalist and generally anti-communist country before the military dictatorship, but after it, the left has dominated every aspect of the political life. The kickback was enormous and not even the previous balance was restored.
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Thank you for making this video, it really gives me hope. Thankfully, the government in Greece has seen the success of the pro-family policies of Victor Orban and is now trying to emulate them with 9 months of minimum wage for mothers one they've given birth to a child, plus 2000€ as a one-off bonus. Let's hope this helps
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@ermin2248 The future looks bright for Poland and Romania, who have already surpassed Greece economically, despite being smaller than half of the Greek economy before 1991 when put together. I hope for progress and prosperity for your people, who have for centuries been the guardians of Europe from the East, much like us Greeks, only to be traitorously stabbed in the back by the very western world the protected and nurtured (for us it was the Fourth Crusade, for Poland it was the Polish Partitions). Jeszcze Polska nie zginęła! 🇬🇷🤝🇵🇱
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It's been completely banned in Greece and people that want to do it travel to Switzerland or something (lol)
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Great, this video taught me that there is still some hope for my country, that maybe it will be better than the rest in a hundred years from now 😅
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@FOLIPE 2000€+9×850 (going to be raised to 950€)=9.650€ (going to be raised to 10.550€). I genuinely think this will make a difference when implemented
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@tomorrowneverdies567 hahahh good one 😅
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27:05 😭😭😭
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@reservationatdorsias3215 that's not actually a given. We've already seen how digitalization and long-distance communication and work can function, at least to some extent, during the Covid pandemic. While there's not yet a clear incentive towards de-urbanization (other than the hypothesis that it might help with demographic rebound, and even that is not a direct capitalist profit but rather that of the state as a whole), it's been shown that long-distance work (and by extension de-urbanization) is possible and sometimes even beneficial for companies (such as designers or office workers, who, working from home, save money from the company that would otherwise have to be spent on office buildings and working expenses). There is merit to the fact that many occupations still can't be exercised from a distance, like factory workers, and also that many people living in cities wouldn't like to abandon their lifestyle even if it meant a beneficial economic/occupational position. Those are some problems that will have to be solved in the coming decades
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@kaiserbauch9092 so what's your opinion on this? That Israel is an exception and that urbanization is the main cause of falling birthrates, or that it isn't? I'd really like to hear your opinion on this issue specifically, maybe even in another video dedicated to urbanization historically, its results on society and de-urbanization/how it might help bring up birthrates and how it may be achieved in the future. In my opinion, the Israeli figure is brought up by other factors, such as the fact that a large part of the population is made by immigrants (immigrants looking for a better place to live are always more fertile than the locals who were born there) and also the identity of Israel is built around a unique socio-religious identity which, emboldened by the experience of the Holocaust, gives large significance to the upbringing of children. So, to sum it up, while there are always other minor factors at play which might ske the specific results of every country a little up or down, the main trend is that urbanized societies are less fertile than non-urbanized societies.
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@tomorrowneverdies567 I didn't mean that living in the city is the cause, but the urban lifestyle/culture in general, more specifically the breakdown of traditional small rural communities. Maybe I didn't phrase that well. You're definitely right. Now then, it might remain an issue even if the same people that live now in cities move back to the countryside, since their culture about family is still urban-based. The thing you said about the good life is correct, and as the video suggest, this mentality will only come to an end when the system of the state taking care of the elderly is no longer viable and collapses. Then, not having kids will not be an alternative, and the "good life" will be that of the one who has. I guess states could avoid this collapse by giving funds to families and couples with children to subsidize a better life so as to make having a family more appealing. Right now it is a fact that having children is an economic detriment of the parents while it is in the best interest of the society. This should somehow be counterbalanced. Another interesting example is the collapse of the Roman Empire. At the time, religiosity had fallen, urbanization had increased, and birthrates had dropped significantly. This made fielding an army much harder and the barbarian invasions were inevitable. Thanks for the interesting perspective!
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@kaiserbauch9092 a week ago 14 nationalist and patriotic parties with a combined percentage around 6-7% of the vote according to polling were all banned from running in the elections, according to a new "anti-fascist" law that was passed. Which is ironic given that there are multiple Communist, Radical Socialist and other weird leftist parties that are normally running in the elections as always. Dark times for the Hellenic Republic 😞
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@1821-y6n tragic indeed. By the way, based pfp and name, it's really badass
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