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  33. ​ @BigTrees4ever  So because modern capitalism isn't what Smith defined in "Wealth of Nations", that means this isn't capitalism? That just isn't true. What we are living under is capitalism, plain and simple. Smith was also a myth maker who ignored what was happening in what was his present day England and wrote about a utopia in Wealth of Nations. I find him to be a terrible philosopher to look at for inspiration. Our western economy really doesn't have elements of workers controlling the means of production at all. Calling what we have as corporate socialism is just butchering what the meaning of socialism is. Its capitalism. This is how capitalism has always worked. Capitalism is not free market economics. Free market economics existed long before capitalism did. In the Middle East surrounding the Indian Ocean, they had a free market system going that they took very seriously. The Indian Ocean was very peaceful for hundreds of years until the capitalists came in and started bombarding everything. What the middle east had was not capitalism, and they knew that centering the profit motive would lead to disaster. They could have become a capitalist empire, but never did. China has also been in the same position hundreds of years ago. You believe in a utopian capitalism created by enlightenment era philosophers who created myth to justify colonialism and imperialism, two major aspects of capitalism. You decide that because we don't live in the Utopia dreamed up by Smith, than we aren't living under capitalism. to sum up, markets aren't capitalism. Capitalism is a socio-economic system based especially on private ownership of the means of production and the exploitation of the labor force. That's what we have. I highly suggest you read Debt: "The First 5000 Years" by David Graeber and "Prehistoric Myths in Modern Political Philosophy" and "The Prehistory of Private Property" by Grant S. McCall and Karl Widerquist Happy reading
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  122. @blairmonroe8887  Again, humans have existed for hundreds of thousands of years. Landlords have only existed for a few thousand years at most. I'm not sure how saying landlords shouldn't exist is bad faith. It's what I believe. I believe no human should be allowed to exploit another human for their own gain. Please tell me how this is bad faith. Kings certainly controlled everything, and funnily enough it was originally monarchs that created private property to reward those that were loyal to them, or did a service for they did, like go to war for them. As for Chiefdoms, many times the chief was the poorest person in society because they were expected to give everything away. In the archeological record there is no evidence for war before about 10,000BC, so no warlords didn't always exist. In modern times there are still stateless peoples and autonomous villages. These don't have Kings or cheifs or warlords. If people exist in statelessness today don't have rulers, nor the stateless or autonomous villages that have existed over the past 600 years that we have been studying through anthropology and ethnography, it's pretty safe to assume stateless peoples in the past also lived without rulers. Claiming there must always be rulers completely goes against what modern anthropology teaches us. Claiming they always had leaders or were in a state of war is simply repeating racist myths started by enlightenment Era philosophers who were trying to justify the violent privatization of the world. I'll recommend you 3 good books. "The dawn of everything" by David Graber & David Wengrow "Prehistoric Myths in Modern Political Philosophy" & "The Prehistory of Ptivate Property" by Grant S. McCall and Karl Widerquist You mentioned a family owning land for 75 years. Well let's go back far enough and we will find that land being violently stolen from indigenous who has complex forms of communal ownership over the land. Since that land was violently stolen, that brings into question the current ownership over that land. Can you explain where you got the notion that I want the government to own everything, because there is nowhere that I stated that. And communism isn't when the government owns property. Governments created private property in the first place. I want to go back to having everything be communally owned. If you think that means government ownership, it's clear you are not informed enough to have an informed opinion on this. You're right to private property was created by the violent take over of complex communally owned lands. Saying this isn't true means you only have bothered to read those who you agree with and take everything they say as fact, even though the justifications for private property have been fully debunked by modern anthropology.
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  147.  @dominicgunderson  "1. It would be illegal for all registers to include a tipping option. 2. It would be illegal for receipts to mention or refer to tipping" I'm willing to bet lawyers would argue tipping is a form of speech, and thus its a first amendment right and the law would be thrown out. "3. It would be illegal for waiters/waitresses to accept tips (and yes, they would be fired for doing so). Of course, people may still tip, but the culture of tipping would be shaken down." So you want to destroy the well being of servers all because they are fine accepting someone else's cash, which is really a gift. Tips are gifts. This is extremely authoritarian and frankly disgusting. "Enforcement would be largely unnecessary but could occasionally include inspectors and undercover agents." This would cost millions upon millions of dollars a year. You want to pay people a full salary with benefits to go out and spend money at food restaurants to maybe stop people handing servers small tips that are nowhere close to the amount we will be paying these officers and agents? You really think expanding the police state even more is what we need? You really think that's a good use of our limited resources? "Ultimately, the ban is less about punishing people for offering tips and more about destroying the culture of tipping." If your plan is to waste a huge amount of our limited resources to force employers to fire servers who accept what really is a gift, and on enforcers of the law, punishment is the point. Banning something never works and with how the American culture is, if you tried to ban tipping, servers would likely end up seeing more tips. I hope to god you are never given a position of power because you will be one authoritarian fuck
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  154. ​ @BigTrees4ever  "Smith came up with the term, he defined the term, and that’s that." No he didn't. The term "capitalism" was coined by socialist Louis Blanc to describe the economic system currently going on in his time. In Smiths time, capitalism was already happening for over 200 years. Capitalism got its start at around 1450. I have already read Smiths "Wealth of Nations". I found him to be a myth maker and nothing more, because that's what he did. He came up with the silly notion that barter came before bullion, even though that's not what happened. Barter has never happened in the way Smith describes. From Caroline Humphrey's "Barter and Economic Disintegration" “No example of a barter economy, pure and simple, has ever been described, let alone the emergence from it of money; all available ethnography suggests that there never has been such a thing” Smiths entire basis for our economic system is just flat our wrong. We know from translating ancient Sumerian tablets that they used virtual money, or credit. Then at around 600 BC the first coins were invented. According to Smith the Sumerians should have been bartering with each other, yet they weren't. Barter between neighbors as Smith describes only happens in societies with bullion where the members don't have any cash on hand. His goal was to make it out so that the laws of economics is no different than the laws of physics, which means that they are immutable. Sadly, the laws of "economics" aren't set in stone and have changed countless times throughout human history. A study of anthropology shows this very much to be true. Again, Smith is a terrible person to look towards when it comes to how we should organize society. Trying to define capitalism purely on one philosophers definition is also naïve as fuck. Using the definition for capitalism set by someone trying to justify violent enclosure, imperialism, and colonialism is naïve as fuck. Enlightenment era philosophers by and large are terrible people to listen to when it comes to how we should organize society. To me, the best people to define capitalism are those who have been oppressed by it, not those who benefit off it. The beneficiaries will always try to downplay any oppression happening under their system. Why wouldn't they?
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  162.  @seriouslyshortofnormal925  "The person suggesting the profits should go to the workers would never accept the inverse: that the costs should also go to the workers meaning that workers would not be paid if no profit exists, " Sounds like you dont understand what a worker cooperative is. A worker cooperative is a company owned by the workers. That means they have to also think about the costs of business. Which means your statement is just a completely ignorant statement. Workers getting the profits while also thinking about the cost of business already exists. "Another issue is that the extreme focus on getting workers paid at the expense of the owners is that it requires an infringement on both liberty and property," Oh wow, not your property which was originally stolen from indigenous people through mass violence. It amazes me how you can claim to care about property rights when this entire system is built off the genocide of indigenous peoples to steal the land that rightfully belongs to them And what about their liberty. Why dont you liberals care about indigenous peoples liberty? All that matters to you liberals is profit, and anyone who stops you from making profit is is infringing on your liberty and property. Yeah, fuck your liberal bullshit. Until you liberals give all land back to the indigenous that occupied it first, you have no leg to stand on when it comes to property and liberty rights. I highly recommend you read the books "Prehistoric Myths in Modern Political Philosophy" & "The Prehistory of Private Property" by Grant McCall and Karl Widerquist "Forgive me if I'm unsympathetic to those who would violate the rights of others for short-term gains," The only people who care about short term gains are the capitalists. The only people who care about short term gains are those who preach liberty and property rights while profiting off indigenous land violently stolen. The entire conquest of the Americas was all about short term gains and paying off ever growing debt. You dont care about liberty or property rights. You care about profits.
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  182.  @trestiles1914  "mainly because it’s not feasible" You literally started off with an assertion. If you believe it isn't feasible, you need to go into detail of why it isn't feasible. You do not get to make the statement that its feasible, thus making it out as if you already understand how communal ownership works, and then turn around and ask how it works. What is it, you know how it works and have deemed it unfeasible, or you have no idea and want to learn more? Since you started off with the assertion, you need to tell me why it isn't feasible first. Keep in mind, that for the majority of humanities existence, between a group everything was communally owned. Saying something that humans have done for the majority of humanities existence isn't feasible is clearly a false statement. If we did it before we can do it again. Why does communally owned projects need funding? If they do need funding, than why wouldn't the community fund it? Why would a privately owned bank be needed? If we make all housing communally owned, why wouldn't we do that with almost everything else? If we made everything else communally owned, what use would money be? If we have no use for money, why would house builders need to be paid in it? What if instead we all participated in society and realized what we do is necessary and that if we all made sure we all had our basic needs met no one would need to acquire money to purchase things. "How about you make a real point instead of living in some dream world. I’m open to listening" How can you sit there and claim you are open to listening when just before you claimed I lived in some dream world. Those two statements are contradictory.
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  211.  @jjoohhhnn  "Claiming it for the workers basically means the government buys out the shareholders" We have no need to do that. You know who we did that for essentially? Slave owners. We do not and should not reward these people in any way. "How do you intend to take it from them, otherwise? With force? You're going to violently overthrow the US government? Good luck with that one, bruv." So its either buy it all out and keep them insanely wealthy, or toppling the US government. Those are the only two options to you? The only ways we can do it? However, the US government does not to be eliminated. The US as a political project must come to an end. We have been doing genocide for centuries against so many cultures, there is no other way than complete elimination of our government. "we elect the board of directors the way we elect senators" We could try out worker councils instead. It can all be made way more democratic for everyone instead of keeping this shit "representative democracy" but slightly different. We could look at indiginous cultures and try to learn from them on governance. That would probably be a very good idea. "Clean it up correctly in a way that helps workers and instills faith in the justice system AVOIDING a violent transfer of power while still offering restorative justice " You can not clean up the capitalist system. You cent just vote socialists in and then that's it. That's not how systemic change works. No one should have faith in the justice system for there was never any reason to have faith in it in the first place. The justice system continues to be a part in the oppression of the natives. 1"ow do you plan to organize? Through what group do you intend to congregate under and to what SPECIFIC POLICY GOALS do you have?" Have you ever heard of unions? They have a very socialist history, and they used to have massive political power. And asking a single person what their goals are is pointless. This is a COLLECTIVE effort. We all work on the goals together. "How do you intend to organize in a way that doesn't allow the movement to be fractured and destroyed like the hippies, civil rights activists, punks, gangs, etc.? Assuming you can answer that, what's your battle plan to take the nation? What materials do you need, how long will it take, what are some primary objectives?" These are ridiculous questions to ask a singular person. Not any one person can ever answer these. It doesnt work that way. ITS A COLLECTIVE EFFORT. You seem to think you have some gotcha, but you dont. You're just being intellectually dishonest. "Lmao, or is this 'glorious revolution' too real for you now?" And this right here proves that. You are an intellectually dishonest person. Please do better and act more like an adult. "Ugh, I don't even think you have any concepts on how a post scarcity society would ACTUALLY function" We already live in a post scarcity society, and again, a singular person does not need to know how a post scarcity society works. Its a COLLECTIVE effort. We all figure it out together. "let alone a totally command economy. Complete command economics is terrible." No one brought up a command economy besides you. And yes, they have worked. Corporations use very similar models that the USSR did, they just now have the advantage of powerful computers to help, which is what the USSR needed. And yes, they are terrible, but no where as bad as free market economics. And again, you're the one who brought up command economies so you could argue against them, More intellectual dishonesty " No one knows how to do that equitably, and in the past it has lead to some of the worst authoritarianism in recent history." Yeah, thats why we all work COLLECTIVLEY to figure it out. And the worst authoritarianism came from capitalism. "Try outlining some policy solutions" Try acting like an adult first "But I know a lot of trendy leftists think economics and logistics management is bourgeoise decadence." You clearly know nothing about leftists. You sound like you have gobbled up a shit ton of capitalist propaganda and have yet to deprogram yourself.
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