Comments by "" (@thehumanity0) on "Breakdown: Kyle u0026 Krystal Get In HEATED Debate Over Voting Democrat vs. Green With Briahna Joy Gray" video.

Yeah exactly, I just wanted someone to plainly ask her "Do you think Trump winning the general election is an *Acceptable Outcome*?" This is really the crux of what she's flirting with here when speaking about the general
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@verin4921 Nobody was shaming voters in this discussion dude, it was a debate on the logistics and reality of elections. Brianha's logic was fundamentally flawed and she couldn't even admit the Biden admin is better than previous administrations even after 40 different things were listed out for her. Also, I don't know what debate you watched, but she had endless amounts of time to talk. Why tf is this the go-to for people nowadays to always concern troll over rudeness & interruptions? Who gives a fuck, if you want civility, go join the ranks of the neoliberals.
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@MrYikes-dk2mb This was a heated debate, not an interview and a game of patty cakes. People telling Kyle to apologize for interrupting her are being ridiculous.
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I hear about it on Kyle's show all the time, probably why he's so annoyed in this debate, because he always feels like he's the only leftist giving Biden credit when its due. In David's case, I think it's just cause he's Canadian and a lot of policy stuff lies under the radar unless it's already heavily covered in print media.
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@executiveinvestments The 2% and corporations have all the damn money. If you look at the makeup of the wealth gap, they should be proportionally paying far far more than they do.
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Didn't the Biden administration just raise the corporate min tax rate to 15%? I think this is kinda the main point in this debate. The current administration has done objectively good things from a Left perspective. BJG just refuses to acknowledge any of it, which is problematic
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@gregmarsh8697 Obviously it should be higher, but it's also true that it's objectively GOOD and trending in the right direction when it's raised like this. You can't just poopoo it altogether cause it's not as high as you want. The way to win is positive reinforcement and then pushing for even more.
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She's not grifting, but she is playing an angle and refusing to acknowledge basic realities because it bolsters her own position
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I've been watching Kyle and David for years. Along with Mike Figueredo, these guys don't have some agenda past simply wanting what's best for workers and good moral policy, & they try to remain logical and unbiased about the best way to get there. Can't say the same thing for all leftists unfortunately.
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Yeah, and Trump is literally floating the idea of dismantling the Constitution if he's elected again. Accelerationism has given us nothing but policy that forces 12 year old girls to be forced to birth their rapist's baby - and now leftists are forced to go out and protest insane shit like that instead of spending their time pushing for Medicare for All & actual positive change. People's opinions have changed on this because they see the results, Brianha just refuses to acknowledge reality.
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@theIOis What exactly has he done "worse"? Because pretty sure Trump is either the same or worse on virtually every policy and then on top of everything there's the fact that he's extremely authoritarian and dangerous. He's already saying openly he'll take a sledge hammer to basic Democratic rule in the US, nevermind the fact that he already tried his elector scheme to overturn a democratic election. The evidence is overwhelming at this point Trump getting back in office is the worst of the worst ideas and the quickest way to an authoritarian dictatorial rule, the same way Netanyahu is essentially a far-right dictator of Israel and we can all see how well that is going for them.
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@Alltime2050 Yeah and that's really all that needs to be said. In no way are you getting publicly funded elections or ranked choice voting with Republicans. Republicans, by their very nature, want more restrictions on voting & voter suppression. Most Democrats won't support ranked choice voting either, but it's still infinitely more likely than under Republicans.
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He's clearly passionate about this because he sees Leftists like Brianha defying all sensible logic and almost deluding herself & unwilling to acknowledge the reality that the Dem Party is getting better under Biden and the Republican Party is getting so so much worse under Trump - there's barely even a choice anymore when you realistically have two real options. The real choice would be in a Primary but that's not even an option either cause it's an incumbent election. Also, Kyle gets annoyed that he's sometimes the only leftist actually giving the Biden admin credit when credit's due, and Brianha here is sort of emblematic of that stubborn leftist mindset where she can't even admit Biden is governing better than Barack Obama.
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@spicymemes7458 Kyle is full of himself because he's extremely well-informed on the policy and he knows it. Some people don't like his attitude, but if you're a listener of his show, it's easy to see how it's well-earned.
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@spicymemes7458 I disagree. He hasn't changed much at all in way of his personality. The thing that's changed is the political landscape. When he used to argue vociferously for the Bernie campaigns, the same people would laud him for his no-nonsense attitude on these things, but now that he's essentially giving credit to Biden for things many leftists don't want to acknowledge as good or good enough, those same people have flipped on him and blame it on an "obnoxious" personality I would argue he's always had, you just simply agreed with him more. Go back and watch his debates with Charlie Kirk or whoever, he debates the same way he always has, you just don't like the hard truths he's telling now.
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@spicymemes7458 "He is more comfortable accepting half measures and advocates for them" - Again, this sounds like you just disagree with him on the policy. Kyle believes that the positive changes that the Biden admin has made for labor and unions (many decisions that came from Bernie Sanders himself on the Labor Board) is enough to give him at least tepid support specifically in swing states in the general election. Aside from this, he literally says he's not voting for Biden in his safe state, New York, and is even actively trying to challenge Biden in the general election through Marianne Williamson, his only leftist challenger. Not only are you giving him very uncharitable interpretations, but you're acting like your policy disagreements with him are evidence that's his character has "changed", which as far as I can see, is not the case at all. Even when Kyle was ardently opposed to Joe Biden being the nominee, he laid out his principled stance against him, saying "If I knew Biden even had 2 core issues or good things I agreed with or knew he'd follow through on, I'd support him over Donald Trump, but I don't even see 1 from Joe Biden" - this led Kyle to not vote for Joe Biden in 2020 & did not argue in his favor at all. Now, in 2023, Kyle's opinion has clearly changed BECAUSE OF the 50 different issues Kyle lists out in this very video. His argument for this is that Joe Biden has obviously passed his test for at least having "2 core issues" that align with his own ideology and politics and has said the administration has even passed his expectations beyond that. You can have a different purity test, but this is Kyle's, and he's made it very clear both here and in the past. Acting like he's changed and turned into some neoliberal lite commentator is just ignoring all evidence of his own stances on the subject.
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@runrafarunthebestintheworld Read my comment above to spicymemess7458. The summary is that Kyle did not change, the political landscape changed and he simply adjusted. You can disagree with him on the policy but Kyle believes the Biden admin's positive changes towards labor and unions (& the withdrawal from Afghanistan) is enough to at least give him tepid support in the general election, specifically only in swing states that determine whether Donald Trump is the next president or not. Kyle has even said he's not voting for Biden in New York and is one of the only people pushing to challenge him in the primary through Marianne Williamson, you're giving him a very uncharitable interpretation & don't seem to have all the information on the policy issues Kyle has correctly pointed out as objectively GOOD even from a leftist perspective and especially from a pro-labor pro-working force perspective. One of the most impactful of those issues is how the NLRB will now automatically recognize unions the moment union busting is suspecting, which has already been extremely impactful and forced Trader Joe's union to be recognized even though it was just passed down the other week. These achievements are not small and will almost certainly have a huge positive impact in the long term for unions, workers, and wages.
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@TCt83067695 "he was sad because he had not been giving enough opportunity in quote "10mins" to champion Biden's mediocre accomplishments" - you're kinda giving yourself away here that it's not the "tantrum" (whatever that means, it's a debate), but it's that you don't like him giving Biden credit on his so-called "mediocre accomplishments", and honestly, some of the things he listed were not just mediocre but actually huge wins for labor and unions. If you care about labor and unions, you would at least recognize these are very good, especially the one about automatic union recognition if union busting is suspected by corporations. Like for the first time in my lifetime, we seem to actually have a president whose at least nominally on the side of labor and unions, it's not enough to get my actual earnest support, but it is enough to at least have an honest discussion about whether it's far more productive to ensure he wins over Trump, who has proven he will drive this country in the wrong direction at a 1,000 miles per hour. You can't just dismiss anyone having this conversation as voter shaming, this is an incredibly important conversation to have.
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@MrYikes-dk2mb I've seen this trend of ad hominem personal attacks growing more and more recently. I think some of it is bleed over from Breaking Points, whose audience is horrendous and always do personal attacks over talking about actual substantive politics and policy, but some in this video specifically are lefties, who I think just don't want to directly discuss the nuance around these hard truths associated with the Biden administration, especially when the realistic opposing choice is an increasingly more fascist Donald Trump.
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That's a really good point. If Leftists like Sanders don't continue to have a seat at the table, they will just bring in "centrists" aka right-wingers. Instead of getting massively beneficial decisions for Unions, they'll be ruling in favor of the union-busters. This shit matters
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