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@Andrei-hq9jd "Whether human concepts exist only in the mind is completely irrelevant." No. If a concept only exists inside the mind, and the mind is 100% subjective (which it is, there is no 'objective neural pattern correlating to the platonic higher concept', everyones concepts must differ because no two neural substrates can be exactly the same)that means those concepts are subjective. And with ethics being a (collection of) concepts it is obviously subjective.
"you'd have to agree that pedophilia can be morale" No I don't. From an objective standpoint it is neither good(/moral) nor bad. We as a society can decide it is 'bad' if we think it generally brings a lot of harm to the individuals making up society (and therefor making moral rules). Just like pineapple on pizza is not objectively bad taste because taste is subjective but if a lot of people think it tastes bad we call it that like it is an objective fact. There are overarching patterns to what we deem moral or immoral because we all roughly share some qualities (empathy, having evolved the same patterns for cooperation, being brought up in the same culture, etc.) but it never passes the line from intersubjectivity to objectivity.
" a 13 year old still can't consent." Obviously not defending pedophelia here but showing the subjectivity of ethics: According to what arbitrary rules? We have very arbitrarily decided to make someone (depending on the country also) over 18 be capable of consent and not any minute under that. Don't you think that is a very clearly man-made rule?
"does not meant that morality can't be argued in the same way any FACT can be" Epistemology is a different beast altogether but here is my brief take on it: We cannot (logically) be 100% certain of how the world truly is. (not just because we're limited by our senses to understand it, but more because 1. even certainty of something is just a feeling that has often been proven to be wrong. and 2. how can you prove logic (which you must do because all argumentation/proof is based on it) is true without using logic and therefor creating circular reasoning which is false according to that same logic?)
What we call 'facts' are actually just consistencies. That the sun will shine tomorrow is a 'fact' because we have consistently experienced it happening and have no 'harder consistencies' to disprove it (with logic and math being the hardest consistencies, then science in various degrees based on that, then our understanding of the things beyond earth and then potential information that might cause us to belief the sun won't shine tomorrow). We are animals that need to be able to predict things to survive and it is purely logical form an evolutionary standpoint to assume those consistencies are facts, but they're assumptions.
"Moral relativism in my opinion is in fact not just wrong but It's a cop out used by religious bigots, political ideologues and people that try to escape logic. " I'm not religious, don't have a political ideal to promote and am clearly a fan of philosophy and logic, now what?
What proof do you have for objective moral values? Which ones are not arbitrarily defined in any way and cannot be explained away from a moral relativist standpoint?
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