Comments by "Old Bloke" (@oldbloke204) on "‘Multitude’ of problems confronting farmers causing ‘incredible desperation’" video.

And when it runs out? Maybe we need to think about some of the crops we grow here. Driest continent on the planet.
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One of the few countries which has this virus under some form of control, at least for now. Where would we be if it was allowed to run riot in Victoria and then spread elsewhere? Nobody seems to be able to answer this question other than retreating to the "its all a hoax" tosh or something similar.
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@shadesofgraygraytheorigina9989 And yet in the rest of the world it is still going crazy so how much worse must their politicians be going on your logic? Hardly surprising there were mistakes made in the early days really. Our outbreak here in SA was due to the same thing even though our quarantine is supposedly more robust due to lessons learned. NZ had the same thing and now has cricketers from overseas infected and reportedly breaking regulations. Maybe have a look at some of the reports, try France and the US for a start, and tell me how much better off we would be. Do you have any data to back up your economic musings or did you lose your hospo job and so the whole country is stuffed economically?
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@shadesofgraygraytheorigina9989 This medical event is worldwide and causing economic chaos in a lot of places so if we are doing better than most, which from what I am seeing we are, then it is a very valid statement. Imagine the pain you could be in elsewhere. People in Victoria and elsewhere, including my family who live in Victoria, have always commented on how backwards and quiet SA is, so sooking about being in Victoria now doesn't do much for me I'm afraid. You do get that these sorts of events have happened before, worse and on a larger scale, and that sometimes we just have to do the best that we can. Personally I think that we are on the cusp of a very serious economic event which will cause a lot of drama for a lot of people. Complaining here, there and everywhere about how unfair it all is and how inept others are won't make the slightest difference to outcomes.
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@ilguitaro Quite the wall of text. Nowhere did I say that we aren't different as a country but the fact is that if they hadn't stopped it in Victoria or here in SA it would be taking off again and we would be suffering more economically. Sorry I basically don't agree with the theory that they are putting the wrong causes of death on death certificates here as it doesn't change anything. People with health issues are being killed by this thing so it is no surprise that people get emotional about it. We managed to keep it under control here during the Winter season as well so the Govts. on a whole have done well, not to say that mistakes weren't made. Like I said we don't know what the situation would have been if it got away here but looking at the economic events playing out in other countries atm I would suggest it would have been more ugly than it is now. Trivializing what was achieved when you have no ideas as to what other outcomes may have been and then saying that "they did nothing" is just ridiculous.
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@ilguitaro You are starting to sound very much like you subscribe to a lot of the conspiracy theories that are going around tbh. I didn't contradict myself at all as it is virtually impossible to separate those with health issues from the "healthy ones." look at the rebels without a clue who continued to try and do whatever they wanted and how quickly this thing spreads once it gets going. I can't speak to what happened in those other countries as I don't know what the mindset of their population is. China locked down the absolute hardest and eradicated it, as far as we know. https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/ So many differing views on Sweden and ever changing. As I said before we are doing as well economically as nearly any other country I know and the Govt. has been supporting people financially pretty well through all of this. Election results during this thing have also shown that the majority of people support our Govts. in what they are doing. Check out the results for NZ and they went harder than us on lockdowns. Plenty more to play out with this thing yet and if it mutates to something worse I suspect that some of the complainers will change their tunes very very quickly.
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@ilguitaro Oh I know we aren't going great economically, said so in my first reply, and I fully expect there to be issues but then we don't have lines for food banks like in some other places do we. As I said we are doing better than a lot of others. Good to see you try and make it political and judge where I stand when you have no clue. I always find it amazing that those on here are so much more informed and would do a better job than those that have to make decisions. Surprising that they aren't in positions to actually make decisions and improvements really. Most of the arguments just come down to "it won't affect me so why should I be disadvantaged in any way."
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@ilguitaro The economic dips we have had will pale in comparison to what I see happening. Even the GFC had only minor effects on most here, usually just their Super for a couple of years. I have been expecting something to happen for quite a while now but it does all seem to have hit at once. I'm not actually defending the Govt. actions I merely think that what our Govts. did was the correct choice in terms of this health issue. Being in a stronger place economically to start with has to be better than not. The stories I am seeing of food shortages, homelessness etc in other countries are really a bit scary tbh. I have a "prepper" type mentality and we are well set up to ride out most storms but I fear that there will be a lot of people who have never really experienced true hardship as well as the fact that our systems aren't set up to handle disruption very well imo. They work great when everything is going well but tend to fall on their bums if things change. Anyway time will tell, as usual, and hopefully I am completely wrong. Prepared or not life will still be much easier if things don't go South. Thanks for the debate and stay well. Cheers.
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@edmundcarew7235 Never said it was perfectly handled, anything done by Govt. rarely is. Would other premiers have done better in the early days if it had happened to them? Here in SA we had an outbreak from exactly the same source even with hindsight and strict quarantine guidelines as did NZ. What happened in Vic. could have happened in any state and I'm surprised it didn't. How "wrecked" is the Vic. economy in terms of GDP compared to before this virus? I couldn't care less about a premier in another state but I do find it amusing that people who have no real knowledge of the circumstances or no skin in the game have such an all knowing knowledge of what is happening.
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@edmundcarew7235 Like I said no doubt mistakes were made but then they have been all over the world. Look at how it has been debated about what is the "best" way to deal with it or whether we should be protecting the economy instead of focussing on this virus. Your comment about Andrews gives away your political bias tbh. Plenty of other things going on around Victoria that could cause raised eyebrows as well imo. I wouldn't be singling Victoria out for any sort of economic collapse alone either. Imo there are going to be major problems early/mid year next year and I suspect that they will fare no better or worse than anywhere else. I do find it interesting though that our economy has become so reliant on services and our supply systems are so "just in time," as are a lot of peoples lives, and that this thing hit so hard at the core of our society. Personally I'm not expecting the Govt. to support us or to fix all the problems so will continue to try and be as self sufficient as possible. I would suggest others do the same as there could be very interesting times ahead.
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@edmundcarew7235 Maybe you don't understand that we originally came from Melbourne and all my and my wife's families are still there, and there are quite a few of them over various age groups and in all sorts of jobs/careers. We talk all the time. In our families cases only one and her partner have been hit hard as they are hospo. business owners, the rest have either kept working or are now getting going again. Others will obviously have very different experiences. I would suggest that the people leaving Melbourne will not be a huge number as it is a large chunk of GDP and where will people go for the jobs that are there? The number of units for rent is more a function of over supply, housing boom anyone, and the fact that International students haven't been coming and certainly isn't a feature of just Melbourne, Sydney is much the same from what I have seen. Watch the 4 Corners program about what this thing has done all over Australia and then look at what is going on around the world as well. I am not an apologist for any politician but my general view is that our politicians here have done the right thing overall and our country is doing way better than many many others who may well be still struggling with this thing for another year or more. Buckle in it could be a bumpy ride.
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