Comments by "Fredrik Dunge" (@DaDunge) on "How Turkey Ran Out of Friends and Money: How Erdoğan has Fundamentally Changed Turkey - TLDR News" video.

@YeeHo88 The ottoman empire in the 1600rds was a diverse and tolerant place. If Erdogan is turning it nationalist he is turning it into the 19th century ottoman empire.
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Stop talking about left and right in geopolitics, democratic and authoritarian are more useful. China supports anti democratic regimes in many countries who are by no means left.
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@luishernandezblonde Reminds me of the old soviet joke (I may be telling it wrong). A soviet citizens and an american citizen meet. The american citizen says "I know I am free because I can walk up to my president and say the US president is an idiot to his face" The Soviet citizen replies "In that case I am free too, I can also walk up to my president and say 'The us president is an idiot' to his face"
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India raj Actually no he can't they will be held up in Greece which is the first EU country they arrive in. Turns out we've shored up some of our problems since 2015.
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"We claim this land in the name of the dutch east Mediterranean company"
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@0000-z4z We'd still be better of trying to remove Kaliningrad from Russia through other means.
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India raj Funny because India is in a similar situation to Turkey when it comes to ties to Europe, start electing more pro democratic leaders and we will start supporting you again, we'll support Turkey because we want Turkey as a roadblock for Russia, and India because we want India as a roadblock to China.
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@0000-z4z Well that's not so strange seeing how 3/4 people living there is Russian military.
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@konstantinos450 the persian suffix -istan actually comes from the same indoeuropean root as the European -land suffix. It's an example of the ancient shared cultural ties between us and the Persian world. And most of these countries do have conflicts in them of some sort of other. And if you don't want them convince Hungary and Poland to let us create a real resettling scheme. Because western Europe have tried, it is the eastern Europeans who keep blocking it. We've been frank with that it's not us they're sticking it to by blocking such measures but first arrival countries such as Greece and Italy (and the a lesser extent Spain).
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@martinmendl1399 I don't think we're talking about the same thing. I'm talking about the same thing which happened to Japan, When you move from being a low income country to being a middle income country and all the foreign production you used to get drains away because it moves to the next low income country. But not enough high income jobs replace it to allow you to keep climbing. Pretty much every country falls into this trap, likely the US would have back when they were growing in the 19th and early 20th century if the wars hadn't given them such an influx of industrial jobs.
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@davidbodor1762 Sweden is pretty much the same, except the far right haven't been able to take over yet, but they have been making gains. I think it's like that in many countries across the world.
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The Demon Terrorist attacks account for not even 1% of the total murders in the EU, it's a non issue given lots of publicity by media. And yes the right is rising because they sell simple solutions that doesn't work to people who are to biased to realize it.
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@konstantinos450 I'm sorry who don't you like?
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@martinmendl1399 China is not going to rise to global dominance yet. Maybe not at all they're still not out of the middle income trap.
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... no one is suggesting Turkey like this would be able to join. Turkey has to meed the criteria to be able to join just like anyone and right now they fail... badly.
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@anlumo1 More like because Turkey really haven't made progress in decades, and in many respects have fallen further from the goals they have to achieve.
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@arjan5071 Many Europeans don't care about that. It's Turkey's human rights record that is the problem. First off a joining Eu country can't have any outstanding internal conflicts so you have to find some kind of a peace with the Kurds. Secondly an EU country can not have any disputed borders so you and Cyprus will have to come to an agreement with regards to northern Cyprus.
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@rspanditz6411 Because together we're stronger than either of us are on our own.
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@rspanditz6411 Both those countries are huge net beneficiaries of the EU's economic policy, all we ask them to do in return is respect rule of law. At this point the only thing I want to say to Poland and Hungary is GTFO of our union, you can rejoin when you can learn to behave like people from the 1900ds rather than from the 900ds.
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The Demon No we shouldn't but we shouldn't turn our legal system upside down to deal with a minor problem. Murder is already illegal, terroism is just a form of organized crime. It should be treated as any kind of organized crime. And no it is those of us who are not clouded by grief who have to consider these things rationally, and come up with solutions that actually yield results to prevent crime. The family if those who died are the worst people to make such decisions. Oh and it will statistically speaking never happen to me, ten thousand people die in traffic related incidents for every death to terrorism. Drunk driving is responsible for orders of magnitude more deaths than terrorism.
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@Fresh Turkey Why? Like I said it's a minor problem, far more foreign migrants work in the police than ever commit a terrorist action. It's not a fucking invasion, invasions happen when those with power come in and use that power over those with less power. These people come in with nothing and the vast majority of them never really wield any meaningful power or wealth. Yeah they are different. That's your real problem with them isn't it. Well guess what, we're all different, and right now I feel a lot more kinship with most refugees than I do with you.
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@Fresh Turkey An invasion is forceful, refugees don't exactly attack the border checkpoints. And if they did the guards there already have the right to use violence defend it. It is a minor problem because murder is murder, no more or less heinous because it is a beheading than if it is a stabbing. And it is the responsibility of the person who committed the murder, and perhaps some who directly aided them. Under rule of law we don't deal in guilt by association. Murder is murder and also already illegal. And the only foreign interests I see is far right parties paid for by Putin. And no murder and traffic accidents aren't the same but you are statistically far more likely to lose a family member to a traffic accident than to any kind of murder. And you will likely mourn your lost family just as much.
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@Fresh Turkey Migration doesn't boost unemployment. It's fairly easy to see. Ye s a migrant comes in and takes a job, but he will also need a lot of services. He will essentially need every service that he can't provide himself. That means that for every migrant that comes in you end up with one job less but you also add demand for other jobs. Oh and bombs and illegal arms don't come in with refugees they're built here or even more often smuggled in in bulk from the old war zones in Yugoslavia.
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@VELS436 I trust in France's dedication to the European ideals. The birthplace of the enlightenment is not about to abandon it.
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Cause the economist article which inspired this video didn't ;)
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@xsXRevanXsx As Swede of German descent I agree with this.
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@Nabium And what of the Syriacs and the Armenians living in "Kurdistan"? They may not be so keen on a Kurdistan seeing as the Kurds fought together with the turks during the Armenian genocide. Identity politics leaves us all with blood on our hands. Instead we should try to build a future where people of different origins can coexist instead of chopping the world up in smaller and smaller nation states. That's what the EU strives for.
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HoiNam Superior Southern Chinese No? I've fairly certain I've never made such a claim.
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@stateofconstatinopole8316 Left right is an over simplification. Greece is a very nationalistic country.
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The Demon It's really not, it's not made hings better anywhere where they have gotten into power and countries which don't have them have been much better at meeting the challenges of the last decades financial turmoil.
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@VELS436 That doesn't mean he approves of what you do to Muslims.
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I think... I hope that Turkey will vote Erdogan out of office and put more sane people in his place, perhaps Turkey might even be able to continue it's march towards Eu membership
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@eldahalas7015 Well that's not to far in the future. I think it would probably be worse if Erdogan is somehow deposed, it sets a bad precedent.
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6:05 Which for 95% of the history of the Ottoman empire they didn't do. Or well atleast did less than most countries in Europe. It is only in the 19th and early 20th century that the ottomans really cracked down on non turks and non sunnis. Culminating with the blood bath during world war one. It seems that the ottoman empire Erdogan is really looking back on is the Ottoman empire during ww1. Not the multi ethnic multi religious continuation of the byzantine empire that it was before that.
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Turkey would never let go of the Straits without a fight.
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@Nabium Actually I read an article, a few years back where several leaders from smaller diaspora of minorities in the Kurdistan region argued for the formation of a geographical state that was inherently multinational rather than a Kurdish nation state.
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@Nabium Of ccourse there are more Kurds living in Armenia than there are Armenians living in Kurdistan, the Armenians were more or less wiped out, what remained of their people scattered to the winds.
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@Nabium actually you wrote a wall of text so I didn't even bother reading it. I don't deal with gish gallops. Say it in a less than five sentences or don't bother.
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@Nabium I answered to the part I read, the first sentence where you asked how I knew. That's one of the benefits of asking people to be brief. To quote doctor who "Truth is singular. Lies are words, words, and words." Subverting reality takes a lot of words, sowing the seed of truth can be done in a single word, though in most cases it takes a sentence.
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@Nabium If you feel I missjudge you then I apologize I have just wasted far to many days of my life debating people who argue through quantity rather than quality.
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@Nabium You physics books deal with many subjects and for each one what Einstein said applies "If you don't know something well enough to explain it simply you don't know it well enough".
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Funny but no, they read the economist and the economist did an article on the Turkish financial problems. It's not the first time they pop up with a video on a tangential subject to that of an economist article.
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