Comments by "Vary Olla" (@varyolla435) on "Polio: The Disease that Paralyzed the World" video.

  1. Might want to turn up the wattage on the old bulb. Just a suggestion. Also the Covid vaccines were not developed "from scratch". Researchers have been studying the family of Coronaviruses since the 1960's. CRISPR technology was developed back in the mid-1980's. The mRNA tech began to be developed by the 2 researchers who made it viable back in the 1990's. The Lipid Nanoparticles used to deliver the mRNA to the cells have been around for 20 years originally being developed for use with anti-cancer therapies. Moral of the story: in other words once the morphology of the virus was mapped out - which did not take long = the antigenic proteins were identified and plugged into existing technology to make viable vaccines. Automobile manufacturers can crank out new model cars sometimes every year. The mechanical engineers do not start from scratch each time. They rather design new models around = existing technology. Do try to think harder in the future and learn the facts here.
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  2. Thank you for an example of "willful imbecility" - as well as poor grammar...... 🤨
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  3. "Imagine" is correct........ Come visit us again when you actually learn the science.
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  4. Less Fakebook "news" = more science....... - just saying.
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  5.  @michelleknowles700  Welcome. The key is to remember what I noted. Poliovirus is shed when infected use the bathroom. If they do not wash their hands - as frankly many do not = they can contaminate other surfaces via contact - called fomites. So the infected contaminate water sources - Polio used to spike in the summer every year before it was eliminated because people swimming in pools etc. which others contaminated - as well as sewage in poor nations where you might see open sewage which some come into contact. There given how long the virus can last it spread among unvaccinated. So while cVDPV is a risk with OPV use it is exceedingly rare. Typically you might see say 1 or 2 hundred cases worldwide out of billions of doses administered. That they go on to infect others is even more rare. cVDPV can only happen with OPV use and only poses a risk if it occurs in individuals surrounded by unvaccinated - such as religious areas where you see community refusal to vaccinate such as we see here. If a case crops up among a mostly vaccinated community it typically ends with the person in question. Enjoy your day.
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  6. "Naturally occuring" Polio has been eradicated from everywhere save for in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Ongoing conflict + mountainous terrain with poor villages using common water sources + and a reluctance to vaccinate have prevented its eradication entirely. One still see an occasional case of cVDPV caused by use of the old oral attenuated Polio vaccine in Third world nations - but they are exceedingly rare and usually self-limiting. So long as everyone in the community is vaccinated it does not go beyond these rare cases and that ends it. What we see in the US etc. are cases of cVDPV which started with OPV use in a Third World country where the infected traveled to North America to communities which refuse to vaccination for religious reasons. Poliovirus can survive in an environment for up to 2 months. So they contaminate the community and unvaccinated there catch it. It was entirely preventable. 🙄
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  7. I'd wager he encounters a lot more people every day than you do - thus his exposure is much greater. See how he recovered quickly. If unvaccinated he would have likely been sick much longer. Finally multiple vaccines available is good as they come with differing logistics. The mRNA ones are not feasible for use in underdeveloped areas as they must be stored under strict conditions and quickly used while others can be kept in a simple refrigerator and be good for weeks - making them more practical for use in these rural conditions.
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  8. Before Smallpox as an example was eradicated it used to account for worldwide around 15-20,000,000 cases annually of which on average 3-4,000,000 subsequently died. Before the MMR it was not unusual to see epidemics occur in communities and schools closed etc.. So yes people have forgotten for the older ones while the younger ones grew up in a world where these once commonplace things have now become rare = thanks to mass vaccination. Having no "living memory" of the bad old days the mostly younger vaccine opponents are rationalizing upon abstract concepts with no real ties to the past.
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  10. 🤣 There's always one...... Does no one learn science anymore........
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  11.  @pj_ytmt-123  🤦‍♂ If you think I have the power to delete your comments = you are far more of a paranoiac then I originally assumed......
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  12. Yes. But the individual was unvaccinated and it is believed they got it while traveling abroad. So long as all around them was vaccinated - as should hopefully be the case - then it will not spread. This is what happens with vaccine resistance. If everyone simply vaccinated then Polio like Smallpox would have already been eradicated long ago.
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  13. So which is it then = botski.....or Trumpanzee...... You've already established your ignorance of the science here vis a vis vaccines and infectious disease mitigation - as well as your apparent penchant for conspiracy theories.... 🤨
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  14. Good luck in obtaining that cranial helmet you obviously need. Try not to trip over your shadow in the meantime to injure yourself. 🤦‍♂
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  15.  @pj_ytmt-123  🤣 Oh......yeah = definite paranoiac - and not a terribly compelling one at that....
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  16.  @pj_ytmt-123  I rather think the term you seek is = "erudite" - or "educated" if you prefer........ I took the time to actually learn the science here whereas I suspect you did not....... 🥱
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  17. Eh....... Polio vaccine years ago = was ingested via a sugar cube. The vaccine was liquid and you put a drop on a sugar cube to make it palatable for kids. The Poliovirus replicates in the GI tract - hence why it is ingested. A "pockmark" on the upper arm for older people = Smallpox vaccination. Using a bifurcated needle people who were inoculated against Smallpox would be jabbed in the arm using a liquid vaccine the same as Polio. A "pox" would develop at the site = hence the scar. 🤨
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  18. 🤦‍♂ If this is an example of your "logic" on display = try not to trip over your shadow on a ☀day...... Perhaps a cranial helmet is warranted.
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  19. Your apparently paranoia honestly holds no weight with the rest of the world. What is actually shows is your obvious ignorance of the science here compels you to try to rationalize your beliefs via the propagation of = "conspiracy innuendo". As always simple things for simple minds.
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  20. 🤦.............🤷
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  21. At times in the past it has been. During the Smallpox eradication program in the 60's and 70's in places such as India people owing to generations of belief in worthless - and dangerous - "old wives tales" such as homeopathy and other panaceas refused to vaccinate. Finally a law was passed mandating it and the rest is history = eradication of Smallpox from that nation soon followed. Vaccines work - IF - people will avail themselves to them. If millions refuse then the infectious disease will go on and on and on and on.........
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  22. Actually the risk of developing cVDPV has been known for decades. Any time you use an attenuated vaccine on a mass level then given the idiopathic variance seen in populations there is always a risk a number might fail to defeat the weakened organism as expected to subsequently develop a "subacute infection". What matters is the risk of this happening is infinitesimal. For these rare cases to then go on to infect others is even more remote and requires above all else = an unvaccinated population. If a person develops a mild case of what a vaccine works against and they are surrounded by vaccinated - it usually stops with them. If however said person is around lots of unvaccinated = the virus now has a reservoir from which to spread. Moral of the story: in the case of Poliovirus it can exist in the environment for up to 2 months + it is spread via the GI tract. In other words people use the bathroom to contaminate their sewage systems + they don't wash their hands to spread it around + if they have common water systems such as poor villages which use wells etc. they can further contaminate those = all of which can potentially infect another if as noted above they also are not vaccinated. So the recent instances of cVDPV noted of late occurred in communities with high levels of unvaccinated owing to religious objections. Had they been vaccinated then there would have likely been no spread. Actual cases of cVDPV are 1 out of millions of doses of OPV administered. The WHO and NGOs have encouraged poorer nations to stop using OPV for years and to switch to IPV - which costs more. cVDPV can not happen with the IPV vaccine. 🤔
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  23. 🤨If you do not understand the science here - as is clearly the case = best not to opine what are poorly formed assumptions..... - just saying. Immunological reaction to vaccination does not require years to ascertain = merely weeks. By a month post-inoculation the individual's immune system has resolved the exposure and moved on. So "long term results" from vaccination = a few weeks. Look at the exceedingly rare side effects of vaccination and see where they manifest within a week or two - the same as the more common ones.
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  24. The world is sadly full of foolish people = and that is why such infectious diseases still exist. The sad reality is that Polio could have been long gone by now - much as Measles etc. might - if people simply vaccinated. Moral: some viral pathogens are "zoonotic" and thus we cannot eradicate them as they exist in other species. All we can do is to try to mitigate their presence. Yet other viruses are "human specific" only being capable of infecting humans. Smallpox was one and it is now gone thanks to enough vaccination. Poliovirus is another. It is almost gone from the world save for a few places where people will not vaccinate. If they would simply vaccinate then within this generation Polio could be gone as well. 🤷
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  25. Ah...... = this old one again........ 🥱 Some things never change - even these worn out anti-vaxxer talking points. Simple things for simple minds as always. 🤷
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  26. In essence yes. They view children as basically "property" which they use to justify what are really = their own ideological beliefs. So they therefore are not acting in the best interests of the child - only their own.
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  27. Actually it is not so much as the virus mutates as people whose immune systems are impaired in some manner are unable to defeat the attenuated virus in the vaccine. That can in very rare instances set up "subacute infections". Normally in these rare instances the virus if the individual is around vaccinated people would simply stop there. Unfortunately Poliovirus however is hardy and can exist in the environment for up to 2 months. So it becomes possible - though still exceedingly rare - for these individuals infected with "cVDPV" to contaminate their local water/sewage systems as the virus is shed via the GI tract. In other words infected people pass the virus when using the toilet and via that and touching surfaces with their dirty hands can contaminate their environments. If they live around lots of unvaccinated people - as is the case in the places you noted - they can see others become infected as well. All this is easily avoidable if people would simply vaccinate + they use the modern "inactivated" vaccine rather than the older oral one. Many Third World nations still employ the old OPV vaccine because it is cheap - pennies a dose. For many years the WHO and NGO's have tried to encourage use of the newer IPV vaccine via negotiating for lower prices and donating supplies of it. cVDPV can not happen with the IPV vaccine - only the older oral one.
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  28. Unvaccinated I'm afraid - as is typically the case. Poliovirus can survive in the environment for up to 2 months. People shed it via using the toilet - hence why it turns up in sewer systems. Though exceedingly rare - literally 1 case out of millions of doses administered - occasionally someone who takes the old oral Polio vaccine can develop a mild case of Polio. So the strain which turned up in the US among unvaccinated is such a strain - cVDPV. Someone overseas where OPV is still used - it hasn't been used in the US for more than 20 years - developed a mild case of Polio. They upon coming to the US spread it into the local environment where others caught it. What is important is if these communities were not largely unvaccinated = none of this could have happened.
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  29. Whatever you have been smoking = stop - and open a window. lol!! Clearly you have absolutely no idea of what you try to claim here and apparently enjoy being embarrassed about it. Just saying. Moral of the story: Poliovirus was spread via = contaminated water sources as well as open sewers. The virus can survive outside the body for up to 2 months while people spread the virus via fecal contamination. Next time learn the science and forgo wasting people's time with such fatuous claims.
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  30.  @stephaniegormley9982  You are misinterpreting what is said and missing the obvious. 1 - Polio exists in the environment as I noted = specifically contaminated water sources. 2 - passive immunity from the mother to infant does not last. In so much as an infant must be exposed + that exposure occurs from their environment = timing of exposure does not matter as the problem is not "when" a child is exposed - but that they are exposed in the first place. 3 - Polio typically elicits what Salk alluded to. Some - REGARDLESS OF AGE OF EXPOSURE - will become infected yet will only incur mild symptoms. Some however will progress to the more severe form of the disease resulting in neurological involvement. Moral of the story: so the solution here was vaccination as the cause of Polio was infected people who contracted Poliovirus from their environment to re-contaminate the same. To assume an infant being exposed "hopefully" acquiring the mild form of Polio via maternal immunoglobulins lending to a possible reduction in incidence down the line is an unwarranted assumption. Despite improvements on sanitation Polio persisted. Upon the advent of a vaccine incidence of Polio dropped like a stone so that today is it virtually gone now from the world. "Wild" Polio today only exists in the mountainous regions of Afghanistan and Pakistan where conflict and the tribal nature of the areas prevent vaccination efforts. So the cure to Polio was never sanitation and it continued to persist before and after sanitation improved in many places. The cure was vaccination.
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  31. Not yet as Poliovirus still exists in the world - but we are close. All of the world eliminated Polio save for 2 countries where "wild" Poliovirus still exists today = Pakistan and Afghanistan. Given the mountainous and tribal nature of those countries where vaccine resistance is high + the fact that Polio is spread primarily via contaminated water sources = Polio still exists there. Because it still exists there continues to be a risk it might "break out" to once again crop up in other countries if enough people refuse to vaccinate to keep it in check. Moral of the story: like Smallpox Poliovirus is "human specific" = meaning the virus evolved to only infect people. As such if enough are vaccinated then the virus gets cut off from its source and dies out entirely = meaning eradication. So most of the world as "eliminated" Polio meaning it is no longer endemic in that country. Polio still exists in the world however and thus we have not yet "eradicated" it which means it does not exist = anywhere. p.s. - if the people of these countries would simply vaccinate then within this generation Polio could be gone entirely as happened to Smallpox and we would no longer need to vaccinate against it.
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  32. Not Polio in that it has not been reintroduced to developed nations - while Smallpox is gone now. Yes to Measles however. The outbreaks of Polio were a result of the old oral Polio vaccine use which many Third World nations still use because it is so cheap compared to the newer inactivated vaccine. Use of OPV can rarely - very, very rarely - lead to the development of cVDPV. We are talking about 1 case in millions of doses of OPV administered. Normally if that individual is around vaccinated people = it stops with them. Yet Poliovirus is shed via the GI tract when people use the toilet + the virus can live for weeks outside the body. So a person with cVDPV can contaminate their local community and if they are around a lot of unvaccinated can potentially pass that along. So the cVDPV seen arose in = unvaccinated communities who refused to be vaccinated claiming religious reasons. For many years now the WHO has recommended using the IPV vaccine which costs more - but which cVDPV can not occur with use. You are correct about them however as there is no rational reason to not be vaccinated. 🤨
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  33. It is due to 2 variables I'm afraid: use of the old, cheap oral vaccine by many third world countries + unvaccinated. Being an attenuated vaccine there is an infinitesimally small chance the individual if their immune system is not up to snuff acquiring a mild form of the illness - called cVDPV. The odds of that person then causing other infections is equally tiny and demands among the local population = unvaccinated. Poliovirus is spread by contaminated sewer/water systems. So if everyone was vaccinated = the case of cVDPV would stop with the individual alone. It's ability to cause cases in NYS was entirely due to large numbers of unvaccinated there among a population who resists the same. It was entirely preventable.
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  34. Covid is endemic now owing to millions of unvaccinated as well as it being a zoonotic pathogen which has now jumped into other species. Polio is a result of unvaccinated and international travel. The Poliovirus can survive in the environment for up to 2 months and is spread via excretion - hence it turning up in sewer systems. This strain was a result of the old OPV vaccine which the US has not used for 20+ years - meaning it came from overseas. In exceedingly rare cases - literally one out of millions - a person who takes OPV can develop a mild case of Polio known as cVDPV. They shed it into their environment where once again unvaccinated might acquire it. This can only happen if people are unvaccinated otherwise those rare cases would stop with the person in question.
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  35. Yup. Unlike many vaccine-preventable illnesses which are airborne = Poliovirus infects your intestinal tract. So the vaccine was ingested rather than injected as that is where the virus replicates. As Mary Poppins famously sang: "a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down......" 🍬
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  36. 🤦 You might want to create another sockpuppet account - since you "just happened" to have created this one recently = and try again......... 🤣
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  37. A person infected with Polio will cease to be infectious after a month to 6 weeks. Yet the virus can survive outside the body for up to a 2 months. That is what made it so infectious as people would shed it into sewage and water sources where it would infect others. Polio is almost gone from the world however - thanks to mass vaccination. It is only seen now in Pakistan and Afghanistan in those mountainous areas where communal water sources - polluted as noted - are still being used. If they would but vaccinate than Polio would be gone from the world the same as Smallpox.
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  38. Meanwhile you have no right to be in OUR public space. I guess you'll be ordering out a lot from now on........
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  39. Poliovirus in acquired via = ingestion of contaminated water typically. The recent outbreaks have been limited to communities where large numbers of people refused to vaccinate claimed religious reasons and who upon catching Polio contaminated their local environment. While Poliovirus can survive in the environment for 2-3 months it requires the person to ingest it as it replicates in your intestines. So as long as you drink water from treated sources + you wash your hands regularly and are not around a lot of unvaccinated people your chances of exposure are infinitesimal.
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  40. Some attempt to argue thusly based upon reported symptomatology. There is a problem however = when he developed his condition and the nature of that. GB often follows a respiratory infection. It is not recorded that FDR manifested such an illness prior to the onset of his symptoms. Also he developed his illness = in early August. So once again that is outside the normal seasonal range for respiratory illness epidemics in the Northeast US. It does however correlate with = Polio outbreaks. In so much as Polio is spread most typically from contaminated water sources and was most prevalent during summer months when people visit beaches and lakes then the timing and lack of a concurrent respiratory illness makes GB questioned. It is "possible" to develop it absent a contributory respiratory illness - of course. GB as a general rule however is often preceded by a URI and is seen during seasons when these are prevalent. FDR never recovered whereas most GB patients do. He might have represented the small number who manifest lifelong neurologic loss of course. So there are arguments on both sides. 🤨
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  41. I would note however that you must understand that many viral infectious diseases which afflict man can not be eradicated. About 75% of them are "zoonotic" = meaning they started in animals before jumping into humans. Accordingly the virus being able to infect other species will always have "a reservoir" in nature to sustain itself. Some infectious diseases however are "human specific" meaning the virus evolved to only infect man. Smallpox - which has been eradicated thanks to vaccination - and Poliovirus which is today almost gone are examples of these types of viruses. So we must continue to be vigilant. With enough vaccination infectious diseases like Polio or Measles etc. can be eradicated as we did with Smallpox. Others like Covid or Influenza however can only be controlled via regular vaccination. We can not eliminate them entirely as they exist in other species besides man. Enjoy your day. 🤔
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  42. Yes. Some viral pathogens are "human specific" - with Poliovirus being one. This means the virus evolved to only infect people. Thus it can not exist in nature anymore like say the Influenza virus can which can infect people as well as other species. So if people would simply vaccinate against these human specific viruses = they would be cut off from their hosts and eventually become eradicated entirely as happened with Smallpox. There are 3 strains of Poliovirus in the world. Thanks to mass vaccination = 2 of the 3 are now gone while the last strain is only seen in the mountainous areas of Pakistan and Afghanistan where conflict and a unwillingness to vaccinate prevents its elimination. 🤨
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  43. Blame the same ones who also caused the Measles epidemic a few years ago.
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  44. Ironic in how you claim the CDC supposedly lied = yet you when the opportunity presented itself failed to elucidate upon this claim........ Let me guess = your "friends" on Fakebook or Twit-Tok told you........ 🙄
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  45. Key word in your post = "summer". Polio was primarily spread during the warmer months as that is when people as you alluded to got together to go to public parks and swimming etc.. Poliovirus is most spread via = infected water/sewage systems. People infected will contaminate a water source and proceed to infect their environments because the virus can survive for up to 2 months outside of the body. You became infected by ingesting the virus and shed it via your intestinal tract - meaning using the bathroom. As most people do not wash their hands or their bottoms afterwards....... 🤔
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  46.  @beccapeck5102  Dunning-Kruger is the new sign of our times. The internet has allowed people to supposedly "self-research" = except in matters of science a requisite background level is often required to actually understand a thing. Thus people as the saying goes often end up learning "just enough to get them into trouble" not really understanding a thing and yet formulating superficial inaccurate assumptions nonetheless. We also ironically enough suffer from vaccine's effectiveness. Haven grown up in a world were Smallpox was still around and there were periodic outbreaks of Measles etc. = we could see and understand the threat. Today in many places vaccines have reduced the incidence of these illnesses such that the threat becomes "abstract" for those who have never seen a case of Measles etc. and what they can do to a community. 🤔
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  47. Wasted effort. Like showing Flerfs live feed from the ISS space station = they would simply gin up inane conspiracy rationalizations to justify their ignorance and paranoia about vaccines. You can not reason with irrationality I'm afraid. Stooopidity knows no bounds.
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  48. If you are vaccinated you have nothing to worry about. As an aside. GB uses the inactivated Polio vaccine which is injectable. It can not give you Polio. Meanwhile "wild" Polio only exists today in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Also poor Third World nations use the cheap oral vaccine which can in rare instances cause a person to develop Polio. Ergo = it was imported from somewhere. As long as everyone is vaccinated it will not spread and eventually the virus will die out.
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  49. He had a "club foot" meaning - his foot was malformed. He did not have a disease which caused his mobility problems as it was genetic. Yes FDR suffered from Polio and wore leg braces. If you notice photos of him are usually him sitting down rather than standing up. He died at = WARM SPRINGS Georgia. It is called that because of the natural warm water springs found there. People with Polio would go there for treatment by soaking themselves in the hot water - much as those with TB would go to mountain retreats to spend time in the cold air to try to improve their lung situation.
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  50. Dunning-Kruger - it is the sign of our times. Social media is actually fomenting "social de-evolution" instead of benefiting mankind. The internet allows imbeciles to believe they are suddenly experts based upon their desire to believe it and excessive consumption of what they "want" to hear - rather than credible evidence and logic. Kinda sad really.
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  51. Polio has not changed. For some years now "wild" Poliovirus - WPV1 - has only existed in 2 countries = Afghanistan and Pakistan. It remains there owing to the mountainous regions involved + the tribal nature of those who live there + and conflict in the areas. The rest of the world has been free of Polio for a while now. p.s. - there remains incidence of cVDPV in places owing to the continued use of OPV. Those cases are rare however and typically limited. Because the older oral Polio vaccine is very cheap many countries continue to use it. Because it employs an attenuated virus rather than a dead one = occasionally a person who takes the vaccine develops a mild case of Polio as a result. The problem is their immune systems rather than the vaccine per se. Most will defeat the weakened organism while a few may not.
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  52. Odd.......not really 🤭 - in that everything you wrote = is wrong - except for the OPV being given via sugar cubes. Poliovirus being an enteric pathogen which is ingested to infect the cells of the intestinal tract requires the individual to consume it. The liquid vaccine medium is added to sugar cubes so that children will readily take it. As to the rest of your conspiratorial nonsense = Pffft! Perhaps you should have first learned of what you "try" to speak to before spouting off. It tends to save a lot of embarrassment. 🤔 p.s. - do not think I failed to notice how your account "just happened" to be fairly recently created - as soooo many of the sockpuppet troll accounts who attack videos like this one are.
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  53. Lay off the Crack as it clearly is impacting your cognition - and not in a good way........... 🤦
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  54. Because of a conflict which compels them to access contaminated water sources. Polio is primarily spread via contaminated water/sewage systems. Had they been vaccinated prior they would have probably been okay. If Polio turns up that means unvaccinated who caught it to the contaminate their local area.
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  55. "Mamma says that stupid is as stupid does" - Forrest Gump Moral of the story: spend your days listening to what passes for "conservative news" in the US and you may find yourself believing the world is flat + that secret cabals who eat children rule the world + and a host of other imbecilities. lol! Simple things for simple minds after all.
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  56. Usual reasons = fear/ignorance/scientific illiteracy....... These are behind most societal problems in human history. Moral: people are like electricity in that they will take the path of least resistance. It is far easier "to assume" - even poorly - than to make the effort to learn and understand. It is simply human nature.
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  57. It just goes to show that the ability "to breed" = does not a responsible parent make...... So let us hope you do not make the same mistake since you were lucky enough to make it.
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  58. "Peasants" stooopid enough to believe what you rant here = deserve to be controlled as clearly their cognitive capacity is lacking. Such imbeciles might trip over their own shadows causing society writ large to have to care for them for the rest of their lives. 🥱
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  59. Whatever you think you said = failed....... Your botski program needs work. 🤨
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  60. Clearly you do not understand the economics of infectious disease epidemiology.
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  61. In how many people........... = you "conveniently" overlooked that part. 🥱 Moral: ALL attenuated vaccines have the potential to trigger a subacute infection in susceptible individuals....... What matters then is such occurs = exceedingly rarely - as in one case out of millions of doses of vaccines administered. That makes the risk infinitesimal. When balanced against the reality of numbers simply infected as the infectious disease spreads through a population then your "risk" becomes a non-issue. It simply means the individual's immune system for some reason failed to destroy the WEAKENED virus as is normally done and they developed a typically MILD case of the infection. Yet these same individuals if simply exposed would be viewed among those who became infected to generate adverse outcomes as the problem is not the vaccine = it is their immune system..... You should have learned the science instead of creating sockpuppet accounts to spread fear and innuendo.
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  62.  @Jumanji98  I so rarely get a chance to say it but here we go: That was a spectacularly moronic statement.......... Moral: please invest in a cranial helmet - fast....... I'd hate to see you trip over your shadow on a Sunny day to injure yourself given your display here of "logic" on par with a developmentally disabled 2 year old........ 🤦🤷
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  63. It is a foolish and ultimately dangerous assumption on the part of the vaccine opponents because Poliovirus can survive in the environment for up to 2 months. Thus Polio is not typically spread person to person as say Influenza might be = it rather is usually spread via contaminated water/sewage sources. So you pick it up from your environment via ingestion making vaccination all the more important. 🤔
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  64. Yeah...........because growing up in a world where people are not crippled by an infectious disease - all thanks to a vaccine - is worse than a handful of imbeciles who understand neither science nor what they "think" are their supposed rights. If these myopic egocentric anti-vaccine imbeciles had their way we would still be buying iron lungs in bulk. Simple things for simple minds I guess. 🤣
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  65. Sad but true. The frenetic far-Right of the political spectrum in the US has allowed itself to become consumed with paranoia leading to their embracing of what amounts to "willful ignorance". They represent the old adage: "cutting one's nose off to spite their face." Viruses of course do not care what your ideological worldview is. They exist solely to spread and thus it becomes a simple issue of = what if anything do you do to try to halt said spread and protect yourself - and others. The latter is key by the way. The QOP is not merely consumed with willful ignorance - but also with rank egocentrism. For them it has become a "I-ME-MINE" issue with their not caring about anyone else. Have a nice day.
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  66. Yes unfortunately as it was entirely preventable. The Polio cases in the US - Polio has not been seen there for decades - is entirely due to unvaccinated. If the community in question was not largely unvaccinated no cases would have occurred from the exposure.
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  67. The sugar cube vaccine is an attenuated vaccine. It is actually a liquid and a drop is placed on sugar cubes to make it taste good for children. Because it is attenuated - hence the virus is alive but weakened - it must be given orally. The Poliovirus infects the cells of your intestinal tract which is how you catch it. So the only route the vaccine works is via ingestion as that is how people catch Polio = from infected water sources.
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  68. So many words when all you needed to say is: "I am ignorant of what I "try" to speak to - and my rant reflects this." I assure you it is that obvious......... 🤫
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  69.  @didyasaysomethin2me  🤣 "There are lies - damn lies = and statistics" Ergo I believe the term you were searching for is "educated" - or "erudite" if you prefer. That you once again fail to articulate anything whatsoever to indicate understanding of the science here speaks volumes.
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  70.  @didyasaysomethin2me  Argumentum ad ignorantiam is sooooooo mundane after all - as are conspiracy theory allusions. So how about a consolation prize. "WHO" is the main customer of vaccines??? Further "WHO" dictates the price they will pay for those vaccines??? When you can intelligently answer those questions you will hopefully see the woefully nonsensical basis of your rant here. I am not hopeful - but it is always possible. p.s. - do not think I failed to notice how you failed to articulate how the science here you infer as incorrect was supposedly the case. In so much as I actually studied said science = please feel free to articulate what is supposedly incorrect and why??? I look forward to your nonresponse. 🥱
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  71.  @didyasaysomethin2me  You didn't answer my questions - as expected. 🤣
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  72.  @didyasaysomethin2me  regale me with your understanding of infectious disease pathophysiology and the concepts behind infectious disease epidemiology............no??? Thus far all I see are trite inferences of "internet research" and a lot of conjecture. I assure you I do not need to "internet research" as I rather spent years learning the science here. Ergo it falls to you to provide proof of concept for your obvious assumptive-based claims here. If it is plausibly correct vis a vis the concepts behind vaccine employment - I will know. p.s. - methinks you might want to familiarize yourself with the concept of Dunning-Kruger. It is a logical/cognitive pitfall most commonly seen today among individuals who = "self-research" online when they lack the requisite knowledge base from which to discern what is credible and what is not in topics viewed as "esoteric". You can start with explaining how vaccines supposedly induce viral resistance considering they actually help reduce morbidity which is an instrumental component of the requirement vis a vis viruses' need to infect hosts so as to potentially mutate in the first place. 🤔
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  73.  @didyasaysomethin2me  So no evidence then. lol! As noted I have no need of internet searches since my degree in an applied science field = allows me to understand the science here - which you obviously do not. Let that be a lesson then. Yes you have "an opinion" - which you expressed. Alas........it proved to be incorrect for the reasons noted. So do not get pissy because you were shown to be in error in your assumptions = learn from the exchange. In matters of science it often requires more than "self research" for understanding as it can as we see lead to poorly informed assumptions. Here endeth the lesson.
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  74. Not necessarily. You are generalizing on what is actually a multi-factorial process. How long a countermeasure like a vaccine takes to develop is contingent upon what is known about the pathogen + how it acts in the body + and any previously existing technology which can be applied towards a new application. Here are 2 examples: 1 - the HIV virus attacks your immune system itself. You meanwhile rely upon that immune system = to defeat infectious pathogens. So it is exceedingly difficult to craft a vaccine - which requires your immune system to work - when what is being defended against disables that same immune system. Thus 40 years later = no viable HIV vaccine as yet. 2 - when the Model T Ford first came out it was years later before new model automobiles began to be produced. Today meanwhile mechanical engineers can push out new model cars sometimes every year or two = how??? Answer: by applying what was known from previous automobile technologies and adapting that to some new variation...........so it is with vaccines. Moral of the story: if you understand the structure of a virus and what part it uses to attack your cells - called antigens + you are able to replicate those in some form either via artificially reproducing them in a lab or modifying a "vector" via CRISPR to manifest those antigen structures = you can plug that into some "vaccine model" based upon previously proven vaccines to yield something which can work. They are not necessarily "starting from scratch" all the time you know. We've learned quite a bit about vaccine development the past 50+ years.
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  75. 😴😴 Pathetic......... - truly. 🥱
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  76. Actually the MoD was created by FDR = who was a victim of Polio. Upon his becoming president he used his office to raise awareness about the issue of Polio.
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  77. Originally there was the oral vaccine. In the 1980's however "recombinant technology" was developed. That allowed for new types of vaccines to be created. The problem with older "attenuated" vaccines is that some viruses are soooo dangerous they are too risky to use attenuated as - while exceedingly rare - in people whose immune systems are not up to it they sometimes develop the illness. Typically however it is a mild form. So an "inactivated" form of the Polio vaccine was developed = your shot. It is not possible for the person to potentially develop "vaccine derived Poliovirus" as can happen with the old oral vaccine. Being newer however = it costs more. The old oral vaccine costs a few pennies a dose and thus poorer nations still use it instead of the more expensive IPV vaccine. p.s. - because Poliovirus replicates in the GI tract that is why you took the oral vaccine as Polio is caused from ingestion of the virus as opposed to inhaling it or through the skin. People typically catch Polio from contaminated water/sewage sources.
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  78. "Magic" = is never a treatment............and what has all this to do with Polio??? Also antibiotics do nothing for viral infections - something even a psychiatrist should know. So yes feeling "serene" and a reduction in stress - which suppresses immune functioning in the body - is always a good thing. Yet in matters of viral infectious disease epidemiology = vaccination is the only demonstrated metric for mitigation. Had there been a Polio vaccine back then Roosevelt would not have contracted Polio..........irrespective of how "positive" he felt about himself.
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  79. And...... Your personal incredulity is not a cogent argument against a thing. It rather is a subjective rationalization.
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  80. Just as ignorance of the law is no excuse = so ignorance about public health measures for which information is ubiquitous is also not a valid excuse. Any questions vis a vis vaccines can be easily had from numerous credible public health sources - both online and in local communities.
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  81. Ah.........no. Poliovirus was typically = ingested - via contaminated water sources and contact with infected surfaces to then ingest it. So it spread mostly in warm weather = because people then were in close contact. The virus replicates in the GI tract and is spread via = excretion. This is why the older oral Polio vaccine is eaten on a sugar cube rather than injected as the modern vaccine is. The virus is eaten and it tries to infect the intestinal tract much as occurs when you are infected normally. So people who did not wash themselves very well after using the toilet and who went swimming in lakes/ponds/pools could potentially contaminate those sources. Then those who followed invariably ingested some of that contaminated water - the same as contaminating a well source in some village etc. - to become infected. Unlike other viruses Poliovirus can remain active in the environment for 2-3 months after it is released. 🤨
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  82. Poliovirus is most typically spread via contaminated water/sewage systems as the virus is ingested unlike others which might be inhaled. Further the virus can survive for weeks outside the body. So cases of Polio would spike in the summer months because that is when you see people congregating at beaches etc.. or pinicing and so forth so that the virus can be shed and others exposed. It is the reverse of say airborne spread viruses like Influenza which peaks in the winter as people then are shut up in houses and offices. 🤔
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  83. Anti-vaccination = is a business.......... - one which works hand in glove with the so-called "alternative medicine"/homeopathy industries. So RFK jr. like all anti-vaccine cretins seeks to cash in via peddling hysteria and selling worthless supplements and panaceas. That is their business model......
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  84. So no understanding of the science then - got it.
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  85. They're not = hence the outbreaks. They are happening among unvaccinated populations. The NY one specifically is linked to the Hasidic community which refuses to vaccinate claiming religious reasons. They coincidentally were also responsible for the Measles epidemic which hit the eastern US several years ago. You are correct in that simple vaccination could avoid this nonsense.
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  86. Amazing in that despite everything you said = you actually said nothing. So who's displaying the real "verbosity" now....... 🤫
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  87. Yet cVDPV is exceedingly rare - exceedingly. You are talking about 1 case out of millions of doses administered. Further there is little evidence of those rare cases then causing others to become infected. So long as there is high vaccination rates - meaning good local herd immunity - than the occasional case of cVDPV ends with the individual. Also it is only possible with the older OPV oral vaccine. It can not develop with the more modern IPV vaccine.
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  88. Yes. Polio like Smallpox would be eradicated by now if people would simply vaccinate. The outbreaks you infer were due to anti-vaxxers in combination with importation of the virus from overseas where the older oral vaccine is still in use.
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  89. I think you mean = how intelligent of them.........
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  90. Ironic then that today when it has been virtually eradicated from the world the same as happened with Smallpox = these imbeciles forget the hard fought lessons of the past. Oh well........simple things for simple minds I guess. C'est La Vie Moral of the story: vaccines have always suffered from their own effectiveness. They reduce incidence of infectious diseases such that many today grow up with no living memory of "the bad old days" before vaccines were commonplace. Kinda sad really.
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  91. Might was well watch Ancient Aliens as your claim reflects the same fictional trash. Garbage in ------> garbage out.
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  92. Whatever you have been smoking = best to stop. Just saying. p.s. - epidemiologists who have tracked the history of HIV have found cases of it in Africa as far back as the 1920's = well before the time of mass vaccination programs.
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  93. Soo many words = yet nothing actually said - kinda sad really. Moral: I recognize that in your mind you supposedly accomplished great things with your verbose soliloquy. I am compelled to point out however that you did not....... You simply showed the nature of a dysfunctional mind whereby you apparently lacking the capacity for rational thought of a consistent nature = ramble on and you flit from topic to topic. 🤦🤷
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