Comments by "Jammit Timmaj" (@therealjammit) on "'Personhood Starts at Conception' Bill Passes in North Dakota" video.

  1. I'll grant you that, but the discussion I'm following is the "personhood starts at conception". Conception starts at one cell. This cell is not human. Even after it's divided a few times, even spontaneous abortion occurs. The day after pill, which will become illegal under this law, prevents the blastocyst from attaching to the uterine wall, which happens naturally about 40% of the time.
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  2. There's more than one citation in the article I posted. You've grabbed the one citation that doesn't provide an actual number. It looks like we're both wrong about the numbers: miscarriage . about . com/od/riskfactors/a/miscarriage-statistics.htm
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  3. There are four references to collective studies. Each of those collective studies are from many other scientists and doctors who've worked collaboratively. The caffeine study alone clocks in over 30 doctors and scientists, and that's the small study. I didn't see the "same article" in any of the citations, but I did see a similar conclusion. 50% spontaneous abortions is not unheard of.
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  4. I think we're not communicating properly. The link you gave doesn't show the 50% I claimed. The link you provided is only one of the studies done. Check the other studies. About 8% to 20% of women who know they're pregnant spontaneously abort. Another 20% to 30% who didn't know they were pregnant had spontaneously aborted.
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  5. It's not a child. It won't be a child for a while. Not only is it just a collection of cells at conception, even after conception the viability and uterine implantation is very low and most women spontaneously abort.
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  6. Darnit. It keeps adding in extra stuff when you copy and paste. nlm . nih . gov /medlineplus /ency /article /001488.htm
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  7. I saw nothing in the link stating the percentage of miscarriages.
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  8. In the website "miscarriage" there's the text "As many as 75% of all conceptions miscarry." Go to the website, find the text, and click the link.
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  9. Ok. I just want to remind you that this law claims, and I paraphrase, "life (personhood) begins at conception, and can't be aborted because it's murder". I would just like to point out that the "conception" the politicians go on about is a lot more complex than they imagine.
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  10. You have "disproved" nothing. You only questioned one study from an article that had no solid percentage or numbers. I countered with another study that not only has citations, but a link for the study to the claim "As many as 75% of all conceptions miscarry."
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  11. All of your previous comments were in response to one article from one reference in a study with multiple references and multiple studies. You found one study you didn't like, and are now judging all of them from that one article. I responded with a proper reference to a citation that makes the claim for the validity of clinical tests, and it links with "As many as 75% of all conceptions miscarry." We have birth control because 75% miscarry is a 25% full term, including birth defects.
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  12. My google-fu fails me. Can you pleas cite a source for your claim?
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  13. Conception is when the sperm mates with the ova. The definition is pretty well understood. When the blastocyst becomes a "person" (not a human. That would leave out corporations, and human has been defined long enough that previous attempts at "human begins at conception" have failed) is the definition.
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  14. If you're looking for a citation: nlm(dot)nih(dot)gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001488.htm
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  15. No. You only picked one study out of many that had no numbers and you applied it to the whole. Even if that one study you used was at fault, the others aren't necessarily suspect. Earth's population is 6,973,738,433 people. Halve that for mating pairs and you get 3486869216. Take 1/8 of that to include child bearing ages and multiply it by 25%. You get approximately 435,858,652 births a year. In ten years you get 4 billion, and this is an underrated linear scale I'm using.
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