Comments by "Smaakjeks K" (@smaakjeks) on "Ben Shapiro Throws Tantrum Over Elliot Page Trans Announcement" video.
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@marchinton1980 I don't call myself cisgender in my day-to-day, either. I don't think about it. Because I have no need for it. It's the luxury of being in a society that has been constructed very much with me in mind. Western society has traditionally regarded me (white straight male) as the default human. People see me in the street, they assume (among other things) I'm straight, and that I'm cis. Which I am, so no skin off my nose in that regard.
But, there are people who need to make the distinction, because they are not "the default", and they need words to use for their situation. That's what labels are for; to describe something we need to distinguish from other things. The word clearly has value as a label. As society gets more considerate of people who are not "the default", the assumptions people in society used to be fine with making, are being questioned. The effort and consideration can be time consuming and therefore tedious and annoying for us whom the assumptions always used to favour (as described above). I think this is why some people have a problem with being called cisgendered. Whether that's the case with you, I don't know.
It's not too much to ask, though. I can handle people calling me cisgendered.
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@johnbaker3375 There are two issues here. One is how you act around people. And yes, stating particular facts can indeed be a douche move. If you invite me to dinner and I think the steak dinner kind of sucks, I can still be considerate and not say anything about that. If you show me a golfing trophy and I'm not very impressed, I'll hide that and be happy for you. Because it's important to you. And so, I try not to be a douchebag. If someone genuinely identifies as a gender they don't outwardly present, can you not sympathise with that? Can you not imagine how you would feel if the world expected you to act like a woman, and judged you for failing to do so? Expecting you to sit on the toilet, and only go to the ladies room? That sympathy alone, regardless of what you think is the case, should give you pause to perhaps just let Elliot be Elliot on his terms.
The other issue here is the science in general of gender and sex. And this is what you claim to be interested in. Alright, cool. I'm pro-science. So, what scientific evidence would convince you that people can have a different gender than the two that traditionally "match" with the stuff between our legs? This is called a potentially falsifying hypothesis, and anyone with even a cursory understanding of science will know that. So, please tell us what your "black swan" is, John.
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@johnbaker3375 "Not sure how it's relevant"
That's because you only took a couple of seconds to google it, John. Falsifiability is a huge part of epistemology (i.e. how to know what we can know), and therefore the scientific method. But hey, it's okay to not be educated in the scientific method. Maybe I can help.
To use a sports metaphor here, falsifiability is one of the rules of knowing who has scored the most points. Epistemology without falsifiability is akin to that kid in the neighborhood who made up new rules when the other team managed to score:
"Hey, you can't use your hands like that; that doesn't count! It doesn't count!!"
By not telling me what conditions would result in a proverbial goal, you always have the possibility to go "No, that doesn't count!"
You would be in good company, though. That's how many people go about their lives when facts hit them in the face.
If I am tasked with presenting evidence when you don't even know what potential evidence would convince you that you're wrong beforehand, just what exactly do I go looking for? What would I present when I don't know whether anything would convince you?
Having your position be falsifiable also forces you to understand your own position better. It forces you to make up your mind about what gender and sex actually is. Have you defined those terms for yourself? If you're all about science and facts, let's see:
-What is sex (the attribute)
-What is gender
-What is a male
-What is a female
You have decided there are two sexes. So, you must have a working definition so as to determine the number. You can't have only two -- no fewer, no more -- of something you can't define.
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