Comments by "Cinderball" (@cinderball1135) on "Brexit deal hangs in balance ahead of key EU summit" video.

  1. So, to recap: - incompetent Tory leader over-promises on the prospects of a deal - national news media race to sell this deal to the public, sight unseen - DUP and ERG publicly support it, in principle, but flake out as soon as pen hits paper So, going by previous runs of this story, we already know the next steps: - botched deal forces its way into Parliament - MPs across the House club together to squash it - PM has to go, cap in hand, looking for another extension
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  2. Remind me where "No Deal" was on your ballot paper?
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  3. (a) - we Remainers aren't the ones who promised to deliver Brexit. It's the job of Opposition to, you know, oppose. (b) - the ERG and the DUP, both of which are hardline pro-Brexit groups have repeatedly voted against Brexit deals. (c) - you knew all this already.
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  4.    Steady on. You're starting to sound like one of them.
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  5. One of the few statements on which both Leavers and Remainers can possibly agree.
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  6.  @levitate1078  Are you that angry that you can't write an intelligible comment? :/
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  7. To the many angry Brexit trolls who think they landed an insane "gotcha" on me by asking where the Deal was, on their ballot paper, I'm just going to shake my head. Two things: 1) - Vote Leave, Leave.EU and the various other pro_leave outlets were constantly talking about the wonderful deal we'd get. They always dismissed the possibility of No Deal during the campaign. 2) - Don't you think there's something wrong with voting for a completely aspirational, undefined goal? What Brexit meant was left until much later to be decided. Doesn't seem very democratic to me.
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  8.  @garywright8137  I don't personally believe that, but I know some of my fellow Remainers are starting to wonder. :)
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  9.  @garywright8137  Wall of text alert! Apologies in advance: I think the problem with Corbyn is that he's an honest man, sure, but he's been utterly toothless in opposing Johnson and his incompetent shower of buffoons. More worryingly, his hands are far from clean, when it comes to the in-fighting going on within the Labour party - with his own close associates and allies stitching up New Labour hold-ons like Tom Watson, to try and get them out of a job. That kind of ideological purge has nasty resonance with other Socialist movements through history. My biggest quarrel with Corbyn though, is his Brexit policy. To my mind, it's a no-brainer that Labour policies would be far easier to achieve from within the EU - since they're actually very closely aligned with EU standards. And yet it seems likely Corbyn would actually rather that we left? This position is especially puzzling when you consider his pledge to select Labour policies democratically - and has then proceeded to completely stymie the Remainer majority within his own party. I don't think Corbyn deserved to be demonised like he was prior to his election - if anything, it only poured petrol on the fire. But I think it is dangerously naive to see him as anything other than a liability for Labour, and by extension, the country, going forwards. Labour is supposed to be our answer to Conservative incompetence, and yet under Corbyn, the possibility of a Labour government has never seemed more remote. Sorry for the long post, but you seem like an articulate, respectful gentleman, and I feel like to write a shorter and pithier comment would be to invite an unnecessary misunderstanding. We on the Left need to be especially careful going forwards, as the differences between us should not blind us to the fact we are each other's natural allies, against Johnson and the Vote Leave cabinet.
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  10.  @jamiepoul738  So we're going to take David Cameron's word for it, over all the hundreds of people who actually campaigned for Brexit, and promised an amazing brand-spanking-new super spiffy deal? Because I'm sure you chaps would be more than eager to disown him as an authority, if it suited your argument.
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  11.  @jamiepoul738  On this one, yes, since it was the Brexiteers who were allowed to define what Brexit meant. David Cameron was reluctant to take ownerhip of this project - as shown when he scarpered off out of office, instead of trying to implement the result himself.
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  12.  @jamiepoul738  And again, I'm seriously puzzled as to how you Leavers have suddenly decided to start quoting David Cameron as though he were the voice of God. Anybody else who campaigned to remain is, by default, a clueless gormless buffoon, last I checked, no?
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  13.  @jamiepoul738  Every explanation said we'd be getting a deal. The idea that ANYBODY wanted to crash out was considered an extremist position. The problem with your argument is that it only works if I can't remember more than six months into the past.
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  14.  @jamiepoul738  Steady on there, friend. Three replies to the same comment? It makes you sound angrier than I think you are.
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